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Speaker 1: Hi, this is Ray Brown from Owings, Maryland, and I

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play golf at swan Point Country Club. Welcome to Golf Smarter.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 1: This is Joe A. Spinoza from Austin, Texas and I

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play at Mill Creek in.

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Speaker 2: Toledo, Texas.

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Speaker 1: It's a Golf Smarter number one thousand, nineteen. During the

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pre shot routine, when you're choosing your spot, there is

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a course management part of playing where you absolutely want

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to hit it or miss it in a certain area.

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There's incredible amounts of strokes that can be shaved off

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your game simply by picking the right place to go. However,

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there's a moment at which you're thinking has to change

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from where the ball is going to end up to

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the task at hand, which is the only thing you

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can affect, which is the ball that's in front of you.

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So your target is actually the ball. All of the

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pre shot routine part is you deciding where you want

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to try to hit that ball, but you can't affect

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where it's going to go. You can't affect what's going

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to happen over there. You can get it started, but

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you can only get it started in the two feet

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on either side.

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Speaker 2: That matters. But is the ball the target?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely it is. By the time you're hitting the ball

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is the target.

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Speaker 2: It's time to make golf fun again, starting at the

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ball and moving backwards with David Buck.

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Speaker 1: This is Golf Smarter, sharing stories, tips and insights from

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great golf minds to help you lower your score and

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raise your golf IQ. There's your host, Fred Green.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Golf Smarter Podcast.

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Speaker 1: David, thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: It's great to have you on this show. This is

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going to be a silly conversation. I have a feeling

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just for our three minutes of prap.

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Speaker 1: Well, I have two languages. I've got English and I've

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got sarcasms. So that's that's really all I got to work.

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Speaker 2: With, Bill, Well, I have just by listening to your

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voice a little bit, I censor your Canadian.

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Speaker 1: I am Canadian, I can Leona. I can put on

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the Canadian accident real sharp if you want to e

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but I need a bit of able to do that.

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Speaker 2: Well, so the English and sarcasm is actually speaking Canadian.

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Speaker 1: It's just natural. We don't even hold a candle towards

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the Australians. They're just a level higher.

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Speaker 2: So it's so true it's so true. Let's get a

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little bit of your background in golf so that we

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can establish the craziness that we're going to learn about

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from you in a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Sure. So, basically, I used to play baseball, and my

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brother broke his knee playing baseball, and I really didn't

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want to do what my brother did. You know, you

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try to learn from your elders. And I didn't want

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to play a sport like football or hockey or baseball.

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I was going to get hurt, so I quit the

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baseball and a buddy of mine this in the seventh grade,

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when I was thirteen years old, said well, I got

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a junior membership the course of summer. It's three hundred bucks.

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My mom's driving me out anyways, why don't you come

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join me. I never played golf before. I mean, this

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is going back a few years. This is in the

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early nineties, and a golf at that point was a

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you know, it was the nerd game. It's like, nobody

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plays golf unless you got.

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Speaker 2: Just before Tiger Both at the scene it was.

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Speaker 1: Greg Norman era, right, and it was it was uh yeah,

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and I mean titleist was was on the forefront. They

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were just I started still using bellattas and DT wounds.

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So when the prov came out that was that was

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quite a thing. But we played all summer, and then

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we played all summer next summer, and then we thought, hey,

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well maybe I should, you know, get a coach and

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start doing this more seriously. And we made some really

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good decisions in there. And I'm sure I don't know

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about you. I'm only five seven, and I mean, especially

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back in the day, we didn't have distance, we didn't

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have distance clinics teaching you how to hit it further.

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I hit the ball about two hundred and sixty yards

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and hit driver everywhere. And my my parents sat down

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and said, you know what, I you know, I think

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you've got something here, But don't play tournaments yet, don't

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don't get in with the guys who are physically bigger

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than you. And so we took an entire year there

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at sixteen and played no tournaments and did nothing but

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practiced some drills and short game and putting and playing.

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rankings and was playing the Canadian Juniors and then qualified

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for the World Juniors for two years or he's going

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back for you two or three years, played Overseas a

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little bit over and over in Asia as a junior,

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even got some invites to some things over there. Went

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to school in California and had a very short stay

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at the school due to some disagreements between the coach

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and I and turn Pro. From there my brother. My

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brother was out playing chasing mini tours and Monday qualifiers

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at that point, so I went out and joined him

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and turn Pro ended up playing for three years and

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it was absolutely wonderful and learned all sorts of stuff

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and had incredible heartbreak and incredible triumph and all the

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things that golf golf gives to you. Uh. Then then

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I I I left it. I left it and and uh,

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you know, as I say, I left it in a

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way that I wasn't, you know, I was. I made

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the choice. It was my choice, but it was you know,

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you look back on it and say, ah, what if

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you could have thin done things differently? And I gave

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up the game completely for a number of years, and

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then you know, you get to a point where you're

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not able to do what you used to be able

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to do. And so that's just it's just it's just frustration.

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And so it took me a few years to learn

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to enjoy the game again, and I did, And long

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story short, now, I mean there's no place I would

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rather be than on the first T, not the eighteenth green,

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because then the rounds over the first T, you know,

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the with the with the upcoming ground of go. But

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you know, through my through my teaching, through my experience,

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you know, I think the things a little bit differently

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maybe than some. And I've had I had a few

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instans is in my career where I got you know,

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I got a five minute lesson from somebody that changed

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my golfing life. And well it's not it's not a

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matter of complicated. It's a matter of being able to

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understand what has to happen here and allowing our bodies

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to actually do it. So now I play golf. I

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raised my kids up there are nine and twelve, and

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learn how to play pretty well if you ask me.

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But I am biased, and I coach others and help people,

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and my main, my main goal is to help people

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enjoy the game more so if that means enjoying the

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game more through lower strokes, fantastic. If it means enjoying

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the game by stopping the shanks or curing the yips,

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then great, fantastic. If it means that we were talking

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about before we start, you're the mental hurdle of getting through.

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and I want to do it more joyfully. It's the

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best place in the world when you have contentment and

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joy also, but it can also be the worst place

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when you're frustrated and shanking it into the woods. Of course, anyways,

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that gives you, That gives little synopsis.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so like I, you know, not the eighteenth green.

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the most depressing thing. We're almost I don't want to

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I don't want to go home. I like it here.

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Speaker 1: Let me play another eighteen?

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Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, No, not anymore. Cannot do thirty six in

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a day? What Wait, what happened to you? You went

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on and became a competitive and good golfer. But what

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happened to that first friend who invited you out? He

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got the three hundred dollars and his mom was driving.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, parted ways. We parted ways as at about eighteen.

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of times but haven't heard back. He's now a lawyer,

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and even if you go to his website, he's like, yeah,

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I do you know, I do laf for for big

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corporation litigation and in my off time, I'm working on

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my golf game.

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Speaker 2: Still he's still working on it.

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Speaker 1: The most entertaining thing about the whole thing is it

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does not matter what level of golf you're at. If

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you're a beginner junior year in two, three, four, or

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you're a seasoned pro or you know, I've had a

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lifetime of golf. You hear something and you're like, I

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gotta go try it out. And I remember one time

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this guy, this guy, we were seventeen years old, and

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we were on the first tea and he had read

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somewhere in Golf Digest or something that you should have

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your your feet open a little bit more. And he's like, guys,

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I finally figured out how to cure my hook. I've

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got it. I've figured it out. And he stands up

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on the first tee and his feet were splayed almost

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fully open right down.

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Speaker 2: Balat position, ballets first position.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we're laughing before he's even started, just kind

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of chuckling underneath our breath. And he stands up on

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the tee there and he rope hooks one like sixty

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yards to the left, out of bounds into the driving right.

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He's like, oh, maybe i'n't fixed it yet.

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Speaker 2: You talked about the lows and the highs, but you

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said in edible triumphs, share that.

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Speaker 1: I got to share the first one with you. And

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the first one happened when I was sixteen years old

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and I was playing shally they paid played the ninety

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seven PGA Championship there there was I was. This was

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nineteen ninety eight and we were playing a pro am

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there and I was an am obviously, I was a

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junior at the time, and I double bogie the first

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hole after hitting just a beautiful shot right over the flagstick,

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pried in the back bunker, and you know, didn't get

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a long story, short part of the second hole, bogie

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the third hole, I'm three over part. From then on

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went on to make seven birdies in an albatross, won

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the tournament by four strokes.

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Speaker 2: And that which hole.

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went driver, Driver, Driver into the cup.

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Speaker 2: Driver driver. You had driver into the cup from how

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far away.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna say it was probably two sixty five

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low off hill, front left pin pulass placement. I watched

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it go in, and you know, I watched it go

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in and it's like your eyes, you don't believe it.

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you know, hit, I said, guys, I think that went in.

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Speaker 2: Hole and driver off the deck right.

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Speaker 1: I'm playing. I found one online. I found on an

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eBay an old driver, the one that I had, and

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it was called a speed slot and it was.

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Speaker 2: Great driver.

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Speaker 1: It was fantastic.

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Speaker 2: I had a little bit heard about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I had this little like low point on it. It

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was really easy to hit off the deck. I watched

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it go in, ran up there, I'm by myself, there's

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nobody around, looked down into the cup there and is

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sitting right there the next hole. And my dad was

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in the same group that because it was a pro

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am thing. So it was a group of us from

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one club coming up to play, and so in the

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sixteenth hole is a downhill dog leg right. I had

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one hundred and sixty five yards left, which was a

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six iron for me at that point, and pen was

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back right on the next hole, and my dad whispered, assuming,

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let's see what you really made of now, And I

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remember standing over that ball still is one of the

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best shots I've ever hit. Yeah, I just made albatrosses hole.

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had one hundred and sixty five left. I had a

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little choke down punch cut six iron. Just it was

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I knew it. I mean even when he was said it,

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he's like, I said, no, it's this is going to

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be perfect. I'm not going to miss this. This is

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and those moments, those moments when you're on the course

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and everything's just easy. Oh so anyways, that was my

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first professional win, even though I wasn't professional at the time,

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and I had Yeah, I had twelve professional wins over

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the time, usually small events. But the you know, the

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joy of winning never never ceases. Where there's whether there's

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three hundred people in the field or ten.

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Speaker 2: So is it an amazing how one shot can just

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lock into your memory forever?

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Speaker 1: Yep, yep, and and and unfortunately it goes the other

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way too. There's some some shots that have locked in

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the wrong way to do there was let me give

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you the flip side of that. For whatever reason, and

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tournament play me teeing off of the three wood never worked.

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I couldn't hit the tea the three wood just in

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the first hole, whatever the pressure was. I could hit

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an iron, I could hit I could hit it, I

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get hit it in a part of three I hit driver,

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but I couldn't hit three wood. I always top it, Okay,

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And I'm planning this event down in Louisiana, and sure enough,

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I'm like, no, the play is of three wood. I'll

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play the three wood. I got to get over this thing.

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It's not a big deal. It was a titleist nine

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to seventy two, the little red, gray and red lined

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title of three wood. And I hit it, and of

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course I topped it. Didn't even get to the white

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teas like. It was just awful. And the tournament organizer

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says to the guy. There's a guy standing next to

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the tournament organizer, and he says, why do you like,

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why do you let guys like this play in these events?

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Like this is, this is, this is kind of embarrassing,

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and the tournament organizer says to him, you just watch,

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he'll come in with the sixty seven. I'm sure I

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came in with the sixty seventh, but yes, I can

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still feel all of those tops off the first team.

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It's probably only five times I took a three foot

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off the tee because of that. But they burn both ways.

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Speaker 2: The great shots are always worth talking about. The bad

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shots linger in your head and terrify you when you're

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coming up to a similar shot or something, and people

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are always oh, I, always oh I every time you

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know my three? Would I top it? And you know,

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you get that stuff going in your head. And I'm

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always trying to remind my friends, hey, history has nothing

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to do with your next shot. Just you do your

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swing the way you do you and don't think about that.

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How do we prevent that? How do we keep our

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minds straight without getting nuts about that stuff?

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Speaker 1: I could probably touch on that now a few years later.

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Speaker 2: Please do.

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Speaker 1: One of the greats. And this I cannot I can't

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find who said it, but it was not me said

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when pressure picks up, the process takes over. I don't

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know if you've heard that over the years. Bytimes, pressure

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is a fear of the unknown. It's either we haven't

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been in that situation before, we haven't prepared for that situation.

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There's unknowns that we don't know. And I relate it

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back to skydiving. First time you go skydiving I've ever been,

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it's really scary. I mean, you're jumping out of a plane,

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trusting a parachute to take you to the ground. But

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the hundredth time that you've done it, and you've learned

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how to pack your shoot, and you know where all

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the cords are, and you know what it's going to

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feel like when you jump out of the plane and

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how long you're going to be in the air, and

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how to breathe with the wind coming in your face,

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and there's no more unknowns, there's no fear. So that

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knowledge actually conquers the fear and it is able to

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take over to the point where you can do crazy

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stuff not being afraid because you have enough knowledge to

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take over. But you see these guys that are seasoned

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pros in the Ryder Cup coming down the stretch at

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Majors in an unknown position that they hadn't prepared for.

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That they have questions that haven't answered. Maybe the question

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is am I going to hit at a club further

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because I'm jew straight now? Or is it? You know,

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there's there's unknowns. But if you get there enough times

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and you and you do the same thing over and

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over enough, that allows you to overcome the fear and

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the pressure and be able to focus on the thing

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they actually have focused on. So for me, when I

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when I explain this to people, which is strangely quite

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often because the mental game is such a huge part

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of golf. It comes in the pre shot routine and

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the repetition of that pre shout routine over and over

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and over, and you're trusting the process of getting the

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ball so that when you're over the ball, all you're

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thinking is center of the ball, center to club face,

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hit them. I can do that. What I can't do

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is listen to the crowd and the situation. And you know,

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I've got a I've got a putt for If I

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make this putt, I will. Oh. Now you've added more

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stuff into your mind. You've added more details that you

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have don't have answers for, and that causes stress, which

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causes pressure, and as you know, at tension is the

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killer of the golf game. So with the knowledge of

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being able to answer all of your questions before you

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get up there where club wind, where you want to

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hit it, where it's going to land, what you're trying

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to do, make those decisions. You don't have to think

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about them anymore. Then you go through your process of

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lining up, which all happens very quickly as you're going

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through your pre shot routine. I know I'm lined up,

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I know my club face is square, I know what

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shot I'm hitting. There's no more questions I have. All

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I have to do is center of ball, center of face.

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Speaker 2: We don't doubt our process. What gets into our head

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is results right, and that's what gets in the way

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of process. Well we have we do all our process,

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and we do it right, and all of a sudden

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you're shanking it or you're you know, it's gone in

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the way. It can do any number of things. And

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I also have a yabbut for your skydiver. Okay, with golf,

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there's a lot of mistakes that can be in your

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memory bank about what's going to happen next. But the

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yabbo for the sky driver, the skydiver is one bat

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one mistake, and he's not going to remember what he's

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doing because he ain't doing it again. So let's let's

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leave the skydiving to someone else. It's not Golf is

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worrisome and stressful, but it's not hopefully not dangerous to

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hope not.

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Speaker 1: But I'm pretty sure a few of us have been

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hit by arron golf balls over the years.

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Speaker 2: But knock on wood, so far not yet.

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Speaker 1: Oh good for you.

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Speaker 2: You mean you have Oh yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a few people in my family who have

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been hit by golf.

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Speaker 2: I live next to a I have a golf hole

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right here, I'm right in driving range, and I get

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balls all the time. And luckily, in the thirteen years

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we've lived here, only one person's been hit and it

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was just a brush off of a bounce, so brush

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on their arm off the bount So so far, so

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good on that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but yes, you're right, there are yabbuts, and it's

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hard because we're human. We get stuff in our minds,

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we get we want to win, and then we change

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our target. We change our target from the ball that's

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in front of us to the pin that's over there,

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or I haven't forbid the water that's left of that

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that's typically where.

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Speaker 2: So you're really big on making golf fun again, right,

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and many methods to do that. But I need some

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advice and I'm glad you're here to help me out

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on this because just today my wife, who doesn't play golf,

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she's she's taken a golf lesson for twelve she's played

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nine holes a couple times, but she doesn't really have

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a lot of interest in playing golf. She likes to

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hike and I like, and I say all the time,

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I like to hike too, just every so often I

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want to hit something right, so I walk when I

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play golf today and is she listening now? Okay, today

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she announces to me, I want to play golf with

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you again. I would like to go back now. I'm

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interested in going back out and playing with you again.

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I'm like, but you know, we've got a net back here.

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We can we can work a little bit on the net,

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and you know, have you take a call? No, no, no,

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I just want to go out. It's just to have fun.

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I don't want lessons. I just and I'm happy to

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pick up the ball. How do I make that fun

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for me? How to give me some advice of what

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I can do to not get caught up because I'm

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not going to give lessons during the round. I'm like, oh,

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good shot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't want your lessons spread.

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Speaker 2: So no, no, no, no, absolutely not. I'm a big advocate

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of keeping with your kid or your spouse, keep your

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mouth shut when you're out on the golf course.

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Speaker 1: Just you know, I'm going to have to jump into

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a philosophical rant than bread.

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Speaker 2: Go for it, David, let's do it.

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Speaker 1: It all has to do with your expectations. And you

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go out on a golf course and it's just you

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or you and the guys. You have a certain expectation

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what's going to happen during the round. You're going to

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go play. You're trying to, you know, beat your best score.

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You're trying to, you know, make pars, you're trying to

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hit good shots. You're jabbering about each other's golf shots.

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And then there's a certain, shall we say, environ that

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goes with playing with the guys. I have recently spent

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quite a bit of time beside golf courses just listening

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to groups, going by the language, the sarcasm, the jabbing,

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the ribbing that happens in these golf groups is very,

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very strong and prominent until you get a husband and

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wife with another husband and wife coming by, and then

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there's no more ribbing, and there's no more jabbing, and

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then there's no more yelling at each other as they

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hit a terrible shot and topped it into the bunker.

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It's a much different environment one group to the next,

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and your fun has to be based on your choice

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of what fun looks like to you out there with

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your wife. So for her, as she says, happy to

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pick up, so you say, okay, look, your fun is

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I'm going hiking and I'm hitting a few balls, and

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I'm spending time with my husband, which means walking to

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my ball, and you set parameters around her golfing as okay,

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the main point is we keep up to the group

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in front of us, which means if that means skipping

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a hole and walking along with me, if it means

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hitting more shots, if we're waiting, hey sweet, hit a

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few more shots around the green and try putting it

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into the hole. From here, your fun becomes I'm choosing

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to enjoy this time with my wife and we get

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to hit a few golf balls while we're at it,

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but I would strongly recommend not to keep score during

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that round.

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Speaker 2: For you, Fred, that's the advice I'm looking for.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just keep just enjoy it. And my wife's actually

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right over there, probably laughing at me at the same time,

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because she too brought I took up golf as our

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youngest nine year old when he started about five or six.

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She's like, well, if I don't play golf, I'm gonna

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get left behind. So she started playing as well, and

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it's very similar. I mean she for many many rounds

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it's pretty bad. Couldn't get off the tea, couldn't hit

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it in the fairway. And just this year and just

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this springtime, she's been hitting drives nicely. Now we just

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got her a lighter three wood that she's able to

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hit off the ground. She can put Uh, just learned

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how to chip this year. So she played four years

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not knowing how to chip and just putting it everywhere.

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But being with us learning how to play, and it's

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not even so much learning how to play, for it's

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just like a little bit of joy hitting the ball

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or not hitting it on the water in this hole,

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or having colored balls that she gets to play with

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instead of it's it's a different it's a different expectation,

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but it's the same game. So if you set your

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expectation of I get to spend time with my wife

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today and we're outside and hiking and hitting some golf balls,

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you you will have fun.

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Speaker 2: Are you your wife making suggestions in the background?

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Speaker 1: Jump jump in, poke your head in what's.

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Speaker 3: I would say that for years, there's a difference. Even

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when I'm with my kids, there's a difference and a

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game that I'm working on my game, and there's a

475
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,200
difference on the game that I'm having fun with the people.

476
00:23:59,039 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 1: I'm with, Okay, and so there's a.

477
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 3: Social game and then there's a work like a try

478
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,799
to get exercising game where yeah, I'm working on my

479
00:24:07,839 --> 00:24:10,240
shots and I'm trying to get better. And so what

480
00:24:10,279 --> 00:24:12,880
I'm playing with my kids sometimes if one of them

481
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,279
is in a bad attitude or whatever, then that's the sort. No,

482
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:21,920
never a social game, and I just enjoy the ride

483
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,920
with my family. I'm out doing the thing that he loves,

484
00:24:25,039 --> 00:24:27,880
the thing that my oldest son loves, that we as

485
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,920
a family enjoy. That's the only sport in the world

486
00:24:31,039 --> 00:24:35,200
that you can do together with your level of golf

487
00:24:35,599 --> 00:24:38,440
and with her level of golf, and do it together

488
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,839
and just enjoy the time together.

489
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,039
Speaker 1: That date, if you guys level it up and say, hey,

490
00:24:45,079 --> 00:24:47,559
I'm going to go for a golf trip to like

491
00:24:47,599 --> 00:24:53,119
we we had one to Gray Wolf in Panorama, BC,

492
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,839
up on the mountains. Okay, I guess what They've got

493
00:24:55,839 --> 00:24:56,160
a spa?

494
00:24:58,319 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh, we know the spa, a golf course.

495
00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:03,519
Speaker 1: This ear and there's bears and there's birds, and it's

496
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,200
it is a hike. Yeah, so then it becomes an

497
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,839
actual outdoor hiking adventure with golf clubs. I don't know,

498
00:25:10,839 --> 00:25:13,440
there's a As long as you set your expectations straight,

499
00:25:13,519 --> 00:25:15,799
you can very easily have fun with it.

500
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,279
Speaker 2: One of the things that you like to profess, David,

501
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:31,279
is talking about making golf easier and fun. Let's go there.

502
00:25:31,039 --> 00:25:34,240
Sure I need these tips to bring those along with me. H.

503
00:25:35,759 --> 00:25:40,039
Speaker 1: Golf is actually quite a simple game. It is. I

504
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:45,240
relate it is a lot. But at the same time, just.

505
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:46,319
Speaker 2: Get rid of your scorecard.

506
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 1: Right, you've already said that's only step one. Friend. No,

507
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,880
the when you step on to a tennis court or

508
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,400
a ping pong table never does it end to your

509
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,559
mind as the ball is coming at you being served

510
00:26:02,599 --> 00:26:04,559
by the other person. Okay, let me make sure that

511
00:26:04,599 --> 00:26:06,480
I keep my head still as the ball is coming

512
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,839
towards me, that I drop my k help over here. No,

513
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,839
there's a flat surface that's in your hand, and there's

514
00:26:11,839 --> 00:26:14,240
a round ball that's coming at you, and you think

515
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:19,359
round ball, flat surface, hit it that direction. Same with baseball.

516
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:20,960
You got a flat surface in a bat and the

517
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,440
ball coming at you, and then you try to connect

518
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,960
the two and make it go a certain direction. Ping

519
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,519
pong is the same thing, and the same principles apply

520
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,319
to golf if we don't let all of the other

521
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,720
stuff come in now. Don't get me wrong. That doesn't

522
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,240
mean that I think that all you know in depth

523
00:26:38,279 --> 00:26:41,200
technical instruction is bad. There's a certain level at which

524
00:26:41,519 --> 00:26:45,079
you want that technical instruction. However, if that comes into

525
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:49,880
your game too early, or or you start technicalizing. See

526
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,799
that's an English word is made up there. Check it

527
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,799
the golf swing where you don't need to. You need

528
00:26:56,839 --> 00:26:59,200
to come right back down to the two feet on

529
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,440
either side of the ball that actually matters. There's a

530
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,559
flat surface, there's a round ball, and the only thing

531
00:27:05,599 --> 00:27:08,480
that matters is where that flat surface is pointing when

532
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,680
you hit it, and the path at which it's coming

533
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,279
through on. Those are the only two things in the

534
00:27:13,279 --> 00:27:16,599
golf that actually affect what you're doing. Yes, I realize

535
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,720
there's descent angle, and there's spin right, and there's a flight,

536
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,759
But for ninety five percent of golfers around the world,

537
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,480
the direction that the club face is pointing and the

538
00:27:27,519 --> 00:27:30,000
way it's moving through the ball. Okay, we have to

539
00:27:30,039 --> 00:27:33,880
remember that where the club face is pointing is always

540
00:27:34,079 --> 00:27:36,680
where the ball is going to start. And then the

541
00:27:36,759 --> 00:27:39,359
path that the club is coming through on is going

542
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,960
to apply right to left spin or left, right spin,

543
00:27:42,279 --> 00:27:43,880
right to left or lever you know, one of the

544
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,599
spins either way, and it's going to spin from there,

545
00:27:47,559 --> 00:27:52,599
which means somebody says, oh, well, I hit everything right. Fantastic.

546
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,720
I'm so glad to hear it. You're telling me that

547
00:27:54,759 --> 00:27:58,480
you're consistent. Everything is going to the right. All you

548
00:27:58,599 --> 00:28:01,640
have to do is spin the club in your hands

549
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,279
so that the face is pointing more to the left.

550
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,480
Do the exact same thing that you were just doing,

551
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,400
and then it's going to start to the left. Oh well,

552
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:10,880
it's starting to look too far to the left.

553
00:28:11,079 --> 00:28:14,319
Speaker 2: Fantastic. Now we well, if your ball goes to the right,

554
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,519
then't aim left right right.

555
00:28:16,559 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: But it's not even so much like aiming your body

556
00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:21,680
left as it is. No when we start to think

557
00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:27,200
round ball, our bodies can actually do that. What we

558
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,599
can't do is say, Okay, when I get to the top,

559
00:28:29,599 --> 00:28:31,279
I'm going to try to get a little higher with

560
00:28:31,319 --> 00:28:33,519
my hands, and then just as I am transitioning to

561
00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:36,039
the downswing, I'm going to drop the right elbow and

562
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,240
tuck down. And here we can't figure that out fast

563
00:28:39,359 --> 00:28:42,319
enough in the swing. But what we can figure out

564
00:28:42,359 --> 00:28:47,319
is flat surface ball go that way. Yeah, And if

565
00:28:47,359 --> 00:28:50,200
we start there and then just apply speed to it

566
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,039
and go longer and longer and longer, and try to

567
00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:56,200
realize that everything else that we're doing is just applying

568
00:28:56,279 --> 00:29:01,559
speed to those that two feet on either then we

569
00:29:01,599 --> 00:29:04,440
can start to build our own swing around the part

570
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,240
of the swing that matters, the impact position, that the

571
00:29:06,519 --> 00:29:08,400
hitting of the ball in a certain direction.

572
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:17,359
Speaker 2: And visualizing it, not thinking about, not thinking about the

573
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,119
mechanics during the swing of what you're supposed to be doing.

574
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,920
That's like all pre shot routine. Think about what you

575
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,720
need to do this step up to the ball and

576
00:29:26,319 --> 00:29:29,319
think about a target somewhere else. You know, are you

577
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,279
one of those that likes to play target golf and

578
00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:36,200
not think about just hitting the ball, but where the

579
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:42,279
ball is supposed to end up. Yes and no, let's

580
00:29:42,319 --> 00:29:45,799
stay with yes for now. I want During the.

581
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: Pre shot routine, when you're choosing your spot, there is

582
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,720
a course management part of playing where you absolutely want

583
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,319
to hit it or miss it in a certain area.

584
00:29:54,359 --> 00:29:57,720
There's incredible amounts of strokes that can be shaved off

585
00:29:57,759 --> 00:30:01,240
your game simply by picking the right place to go. However,

586
00:30:02,039 --> 00:30:04,839
there is a moment at which you're thinking has to

587
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,079
change from where the ball is going to end up

588
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,920
to the task at hand, which is the only thing

589
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,480
you can affect, which is the ball that's in front

590
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:17,400
of you. So your target is actually the ball. All

591
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,359
of the pre shot routine part is you deciding where

592
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,480
you want to try to hit that ball, but you

593
00:30:23,519 --> 00:30:26,960
can't affect where it's going to go. You can't affect

594
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,359
what's going to happen over there.

595
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,359
Speaker 2: You can get it started, but you.

596
00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:32,319
Speaker 1: Can only get it started in the two feet on

597
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:33,400
either side. That matters.

598
00:30:33,799 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 2: But is the ball the target?

599
00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:38,279
Speaker 1: Absolutely it is. By the time you're hitting. The ball

600
00:30:38,359 --> 00:30:42,519
is the target. Now, that doesn't mean that I'm not

601
00:30:42,599 --> 00:30:46,319
aiming specifically at a corner of a bunker on the

602
00:30:46,359 --> 00:30:48,799
right side of the green, but that's where that switch

603
00:30:48,839 --> 00:30:51,279
has to happen. And so in that pre shot routine,

604
00:30:51,319 --> 00:30:53,960
you go from Okay, I want exactly on that spot,

605
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,000
this is the shot that I want. This is my

606
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,599
interim target that I'm aiming for, and I bring everything

607
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,759
back down into the actual target that I can affect,

608
00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:05,160
which is right in front of me, and that I

609
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,720
can do. And then that's the beautiful thing about the

610
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,759
game of golf is it's a lottery. Every time you

611
00:31:09,799 --> 00:31:12,720
strike it, it's like, oh, let's see where it gets to

612
00:31:12,759 --> 00:31:15,839
go this time. Oh no, I've buried myself in the

613
00:31:15,839 --> 00:31:21,359
face of the bunker and now have to So yes,

614
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,920
I realized that's a little unconventional because there, you know,

615
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,079
there's some really great instructors and there's some great teaching

616
00:31:27,119 --> 00:31:30,599
that through the years of of you know, the Harvey panic,

617
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,119
take dead aim at at where you're trying to hit it,

618
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,359
and I understand that, but there's this disconnect between where

619
00:31:38,359 --> 00:31:41,160
the ball ends up and what we actually have to do,

620
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,039
and it's hundreds of yards apart, and I think it

621
00:31:45,119 --> 00:31:50,160
becomes a lot easier if your actual task is hit

622
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,160
the thing that's in front of you as opposed to

623
00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:55,240
try to connect with something that's hundreds of yards away.

624
00:31:56,559 --> 00:32:01,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, excellent, excellent, And you know you may unconventional. And

625
00:32:01,319 --> 00:32:09,519
we just had Eric Alpinfels from Pinehurst is the head

626
00:32:09,559 --> 00:32:14,880
instructor at Pinehurst and his book Instinct Putting where talk

627
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:20,359
about unconventional. He's talking about looking at the hole when

628
00:32:20,359 --> 00:32:23,119
you're putting and not looking at the ball. Have you

629
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:24,279
ever had experience with that?

630
00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: I have tried it, and putting is the great mystery

631
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,880
of the game. It is it is look at the

632
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:41,039
hole and get it in fantastic do that? Yeah right,

633
00:32:41,119 --> 00:32:45,359
you can close your eyes and put fantastic thing almost

634
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,279
the same thing, right right. I have over the years

635
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:56,079
struggled with the y word and I'm sorry, Yeah, that's

636
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,720
part of life, right, yeah, and so.

637
00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:01,039
Speaker 2: Much so that you can't even see the word.

638
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:06,839
Speaker 1: No, I can't, that's the yips. But listeners that might do.

639
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 2: Like they're driving and all of a sudden you said

640
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,160
the word yips.

641
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,359
Speaker 1: And they're like crash. I didn't want to I don't

642
00:33:13,359 --> 00:33:15,519
want to be uh, I want to cause the wreck

643
00:33:15,559 --> 00:33:19,279
on the I five, But no, it's that that's truth,

644
00:33:19,359 --> 00:33:21,519
and you got to approach things with truth in life.

645
00:33:21,559 --> 00:33:23,400
So yes, I've had I've struggled to the yips over

646
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:24,960
the years. It was once so bad when I was

647
00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:28,039
in my playing days that back when you could use

648
00:33:28,079 --> 00:33:31,119
long putters, it was so bad that I actually tried

649
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,119
pinning the long putter to my neck and bending over

650
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,680
and just trying to move my body in any kind

651
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,559
of way to get the ball going. Now it's it's

652
00:33:40,599 --> 00:33:42,680
way better, uh than it used to be. In fact,

653
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:47,440
I can play golf without them now. But I strongly

654
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,640
believe that that the yips, the shanks, that kind of

655
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,519
stuff is all to do with the miscommunication between our

656
00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:54,880
eyes and our body, you know, our our our head,

657
00:33:55,039 --> 00:33:58,240
our head actually tilts and moves in ways where we

658
00:33:58,279 --> 00:34:00,599
think we're aimed somewhere, but we're not act aimed there,

659
00:34:00,599 --> 00:34:04,160
and there's a miscommunication between our eyes and our body.

660
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,720
But we can you know, that's a that's a topic

661
00:34:05,759 --> 00:34:09,960
for another day. But yeah, I know there's there's a

662
00:34:10,119 --> 00:34:12,079
there's a number of guys I know speak used the

663
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,480
look at the whole method for quite some time and

664
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,760
seem to seem to win. You know quite a number

665
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,599
of events doing that, and so that's fantastic. If you

666
00:34:22,599 --> 00:34:23,960
can do it, fantastic, go for it.

667
00:34:24,039 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 2: Do it. Talk again about unconventional and things that you've

668
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:38,559
brought up to me in our email exchange. You are

669
00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:41,920
an advocate is the word that I want to use

670
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,679
for single length irons, A practitioner.

671
00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 1: I am both, okay, Keeping in mind, I don't try

672
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:57,480
to force any specific idea on anybody other than trying

673
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,480
to help them get what they want. What I want.

674
00:35:01,039 --> 00:35:04,840
I want consistency. I want to be able to get

675
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,360
up to a ball, know where I'm hitting it, aim

676
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,760
that direction, and hit it. If that means, here's my crazy.

677
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,559
But if that means for me that I'm five yards

678
00:35:16,599 --> 00:35:19,280
shorter with each of my irons, or five yards longer,

679
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,679
or if I have to play with a different grip

680
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,440
that's not accepted by the majority, or I have to

681
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,119
aim right and pull left, or I have to aim

682
00:35:28,199 --> 00:35:30,320
left and pull right, it doesn't really matter to me

683
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:31,599
as long as I know that when I get to

684
00:35:31,679 --> 00:35:33,480
the ball, I'm going to hit it a direction, and

685
00:35:33,519 --> 00:35:36,480
I wanted to go that direction, and my best playing

686
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,840
in my lifetime, I was. I was averaging fourteen greens around.

687
00:35:41,679 --> 00:35:43,320
I did make a lot of birdies, Yeah, I was.

688
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,840
I was middle of the greens. I could two putt

689
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,679
from everywhere and some of them would go in. So

690
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,480
let's call it three or four birdies around, very rarely bogies,

691
00:35:53,679 --> 00:35:57,639
almost never double bogies. Certainly, like the three putts were.

692
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:02,840
Speed putting was a fortape and that consistent and knowing.

693
00:36:03,079 --> 00:36:05,000
I remember being able to stand in the fairway and

694
00:36:05,039 --> 00:36:07,239
be like, Okay, well there's a little gap there that

695
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,079
I can hit. I'm going to hit it there. That's

696
00:36:09,079 --> 00:36:10,760
where I want it to go, and it would just

697
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,280
go there because I could do that. I believe that

698
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,840
the more clubs that you have in your bag that

699
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,719
are the same length and weight, the less variables you

700
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,400
have in your clubs. Okay, I know full well when

701
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,280
I'm playing, Okay, i have seven sets of golf clubs

702
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:31,960
in my garage. I'm crazy, and I probably need another one.

703
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 2: And how many of them are single length?

704
00:36:35,519 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: I've got two sets that single or and those are

705
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,599
the ones I play. Okay, keep you eye when I

706
00:36:42,599 --> 00:36:44,840
say advocate, I am actually playing those. I'm playing them

707
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,440
in events I'm playing them in tournaments. I love them. Okay.

708
00:36:48,599 --> 00:36:51,639
I have one ten club single length set which is

709
00:36:51,679 --> 00:36:54,599
lob wedge to four iron, and these are both the

710
00:36:54,719 --> 00:37:00,280
both these sets are a Voda Golf irons and so

711
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,719
those are those are all seven iron length lob wedge

712
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,280
through four iron. Then I have a second set which

713
00:37:07,519 --> 00:37:11,679
is lob wedge through eight iron that are that are

714
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:16,039
all nine iron length, and then seven, six, five, four

715
00:37:16,119 --> 00:37:19,199
are progressively longer. Okay, so let me let me just

716
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,679
talk about the concept here first. Any experience with it,

717
00:37:23,159 --> 00:37:27,320
m when I'm playing the same length ten club seven

718
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,039
iron length things. There is a level of accuracy and

719
00:37:31,079 --> 00:37:33,920
predictability that comes with all of the clubs that you

720
00:37:34,119 --> 00:37:38,079
cannot understand until you've tried it. I mean, I have

721
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,880
custom fit sets of verible length clubs that are fit

722
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,360
to my body and my swing and fantastic and I

723
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,599
hit them well. But to be able to pull any

724
00:37:47,639 --> 00:37:49,840
club out of your bag, that's an iron, okay, Obviously

725
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,480
it changes when it gets to woods and hybrids and

726
00:37:51,519 --> 00:37:54,519
driver and you pull any of those irons out of

727
00:37:54,559 --> 00:37:57,599
your bag, it's the exact same setup. It's the same weight,

728
00:37:57,679 --> 00:38:00,599
it's the same feel, it's the same grip. The only

729
00:38:00,639 --> 00:38:04,199
thing that changes is how high it's coming off the face.

730
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:09,400
And incredibly to me, once I started using them, I

731
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:14,400
documented my social media documented my first round with them

732
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,360
and my first shots with them. Didn't even go to

733
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,599
the range with them, and didn't know the yardages of them.

734
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:24,840
They're very close to your regular variable length irons. The

735
00:38:25,159 --> 00:38:29,559
switch over from a yardage perspective is almost nothing to

736
00:38:29,559 --> 00:38:34,199
give you to give you exact yardages and differences. Shall

737
00:38:34,199 --> 00:38:40,280
we say, standard length four iron would fly about two twelve,

738
00:38:40,559 --> 00:38:43,119
let's call it, and the same length fore iron will

739
00:38:43,199 --> 00:38:47,119
fly two oh six, So there's about a five or

740
00:38:47,159 --> 00:38:50,159
six yard difference, and it is lower because it's a

741
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,159
it's a lower lofted and lower spin. So there's a

742
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:57,800
consideration that has to happen. But there's an accuracy that

743
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,760
goes with those. So there's there's gives and takes it

744
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,960
with everything, but there's an accuracy that goes with those

745
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,320
that is unmatched with other irons that I have played

746
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:06,920
and didn't.

747
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:12,679
Speaker 2: There was no there was no process for you to

748
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,760
adapt to them. It just immediately worked for you.

749
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,159
Speaker 1: I shot seventy one the first round that I ever

750
00:39:19,199 --> 00:39:19,840
played with them.

751
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 2: Wow.

752
00:39:20,599 --> 00:39:23,079
Speaker 1: On a course that was a mountain side course where

753
00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:26,800
you have to be there's sectional greens, you know, big

754
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:34,320
curves in between significant there's significant ease in using them.

755
00:39:34,559 --> 00:39:37,079
There are a couple of tough points. Okay that the

756
00:39:37,199 --> 00:39:39,760
longest of the irons are touch points. That's like, yeah,

757
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:45,320
maybe there's some there definitely is some adjustment. And then

758
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:51,480
the chipping around the greens took two rounds, let's call it.

759
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I would think that the wedges would

760
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:59,760
be the hardest adjustment because you know, maybe even the

761
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,519
shaf are different on the wedges or not they.

762
00:40:02,559 --> 00:40:07,159
Speaker 1: Differ, they are different, but because they feel like all

763
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:11,239
your other clubs, it's not notice unusual. And actually when

764
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,360
I go back to a standard length wedge, I find

765
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,760
myself bending over a lot in my back hurts or

766
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,159
when i'm back so as an old fort like me,

767
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,679
you know, child, I've got the gray hair to prove

768
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:25,280
it it's good.

769
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 2: Oh dude, don't don't even go there.

770
00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:33,079
Speaker 1: Sorry to bring that one up anyway. But the other

771
00:40:33,119 --> 00:40:35,760
set that I have is kind of like the the

772
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,360
other adjustment of it, or or maybe the best of

773
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:40,920
both worlds. And so this is what this is the

774
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:46,599
set that I'm actually playing with regularly. Now when when

775
00:40:46,639 --> 00:40:53,199
it's soft windy or I'm playing link style golf, I'll

776
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,320
go to the ten club same length because i want

777
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,960
everything low anyways. It gives you great flexibility there, keep

778
00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:03,239
everything low. It's very solid. Like hitting the center of

779
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:07,760
the face is just easy. Okay. North American courses typically

780
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,920
you have to fly longer shots higher because you got

781
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:11,840
to carry bunkers. You got to stop it on the greens.

782
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,960
You may be landing onto a downslope. So the the

783
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,239
what the company calls a combo length set are six

784
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,199
clubs nine iron length and then seven, six, five, four

785
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,480
that get progressively longer, and so you have in your

786
00:41:25,519 --> 00:41:29,280
scoring clubs that same kind of consistency. And the way

787
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,760
that I'm actually using them is I'm now gripping down

788
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,000
on the seven, the six, the five, and the four

789
00:41:35,519 --> 00:41:39,000
to make them same length. Then if I need the

790
00:41:39,039 --> 00:41:42,400
extra height or the extra few yards, then I will

791
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,639
add length in my grip. You have to be disciplined

792
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,119
enough to do it. And now I've got the big

793
00:41:46,159 --> 00:41:49,119
grips on there too, So it feels good no matter

794
00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:52,880
how high you are on the shaft. But there is

795
00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:57,719
definitely some accuracy that leaves as soon as you length

796
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,280
then out those four or five ins and it's not

797
00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:03,360
I mean, I don't get me wrong, It's not a lot,

798
00:42:03,559 --> 00:42:06,920
but it's noticeable. And so then I have to ask myself,

799
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:11,199
if I'm sitting there at two oh five, do I

800
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,239
want to hit a hard five high or do I

801
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,159
want to pick that spot up the middle with the

802
00:42:16,159 --> 00:42:18,280
forearm that I know is going to go that direction

803
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,519
and just and just hit that shot. And so I've

804
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:28,079
I've I've found myself. I had to play with I say,

805
00:42:28,119 --> 00:42:29,840
I had to. I had to play with my my

806
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,920
variable set just before a trip because I had all

807
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,159
the clubs packed up, but I still wanted to play.

808
00:42:37,199 --> 00:42:40,199
So I went I would played, and you know, I

809
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:44,039
found things like the gap wedge. You know, I'd stand

810
00:42:44,039 --> 00:42:46,039
over it and be like, this doesn't it doesn't feel right.

811
00:42:46,039 --> 00:42:48,039
It doesn't feel like a pitching wedge or a nine iron.

812
00:42:48,079 --> 00:42:50,679
It doesn't feel like a wedge. There was some unusual

813
00:42:50,679 --> 00:42:54,239
stuff for me when I went back that wasn't there

814
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,000
with with with the same length system. So the way

815
00:42:57,039 --> 00:42:59,039
the way I explain it to people now is the

816
00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:02,000
more of the exact same waiting and length clubs that

817
00:43:02,039 --> 00:43:03,559
you have in the bag, the better you're going to

818
00:43:03,599 --> 00:43:05,239
be for accuracy. But you have to understand that there

819
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,559
are some trade offs. The you know, the further you

820
00:43:08,599 --> 00:43:11,440
go in either direction from the seven iron, Yeah.

821
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,159
Speaker 2: I played. I played single length irons for a bit,

822
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:19,559
but I just never could get my head into it

823
00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:22,039
and be comfortable to the point where I'm like, yeah,

824
00:43:22,039 --> 00:43:24,199
this is so much better than what I was doing before.

825
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,960
You also mentioned to me about you're now trying to

826
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,920
play golf left handed. Yes, and you are a right

827
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:32,639
handed golfer.

828
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: I am absolutely a right handed golfer. I've played thirty

829
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:41,800
years agolf right handed. And what I produced a self

830
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,559
paced video course earlier this year that was talking that

831
00:43:44,559 --> 00:43:48,760
that that helps with ball striking consistency. It's it works

832
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,199
from the ball back from the two feet that we

833
00:43:50,199 --> 00:43:52,360
were talking about, works from their backwards, allowing you to

834
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,400
build your own swing or how your body's going to

835
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,639
get back to that point, and it's yeah, you know,

836
00:43:57,679 --> 00:43:59,880
I figured, hey, it's it's simple, it's easy to follow.

837
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,239
Bunch of people through it said hey, this is great, fantastic,

838
00:44:02,559 --> 00:44:05,000
and I'm like, well, I want to know what it's like.

839
00:44:05,199 --> 00:44:06,800
And I can't do it because I already know how

840
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,559
to play golf right handed. So I'm like, hey, stupid idea.

841
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,559
Why not try to learn the game all over again

842
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,360
left handed? Okay?

843
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 2: So now you said you were a baseball player as

844
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:19,360
a kid. Were you a switch hitter?

845
00:44:20,119 --> 00:44:22,119
Speaker 1: I was not a switch hitter, but I did play

846
00:44:22,159 --> 00:44:25,800
hockey left handed. Okay, so I hold the hockey stick

847
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,280
left handed. But if you look at my left handed

848
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:33,679
swing is not pretty. It's just it's not good golfing. Okay.

849
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,559
But then, so what I did is I said, well,

850
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,679
screw this. I'm going to say and I'm saying this

851
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,960
publicly now see to you that I'm doing this until

852
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,719
I break par left handed. It might take a while,

853
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,760
might take a while. I have in production right now,

854
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,679
just about ready to launch later this week as of

855
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,400
the recording. I know the publish a publication is going

856
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:00,599
to come out a little bit. But I my first

857
00:45:00,679 --> 00:45:03,320
ever round left handed, without going to the range or anything.

858
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,519
I rented a set of left handed clubs and went

859
00:45:05,559 --> 00:45:10,559
out and played and documented it, scores and everything. All

860
00:45:10,639 --> 00:45:13,360
the strokes hit five balls out of bounds on one

861
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,760
hole in the same spot with a giant place there

862
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,679
was some good stuff, but there's some really really ugly stuff,

863
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,119
and so I've been I've been working on it daily

864
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:27,000
since then, and I'm gonna document it publicly. You'll be

865
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,679
able to go to the channel and see the left

866
00:45:29,679 --> 00:45:33,559
handed series and how it's progressing. But some really interesting

867
00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:36,079
things came up, and in our pre chat before this podcast,

868
00:45:36,119 --> 00:45:38,960
we're talking about, you know, the mental game and how

869
00:45:39,039 --> 00:45:43,079
you can eliminate strokes, even my first round left handed

870
00:45:43,159 --> 00:45:46,519
to my second round left handed, changing my thinking to

871
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,599
There was one shot in particular. It was on the

872
00:45:49,639 --> 00:45:52,599
tenth hole of my second round left handed, and I

873
00:45:52,639 --> 00:45:55,519
had one hundred and seventy yards to the hole, but

874
00:45:55,559 --> 00:45:57,000
in order to get to the hole, I had to

875
00:45:57,039 --> 00:46:01,039
carry a desert area and some pot bunkers and really

876
00:46:01,079 --> 00:46:04,719
some death zones for your scorecard. But to the left

877
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,800
of the green was a big open fairway area and

878
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,199
I've never aimed there before in my life right handed.

879
00:46:12,559 --> 00:46:14,840
It's just not somewhere I would have even thought. But

880
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,840
as I'm standing there in the fairway, I'm like, well,

881
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,719
if I can just hit it into that big fairway section,

882
00:46:21,639 --> 00:46:23,880
I could chip, I could put from there, I could

883
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,679
get it up onto the green and I'd make bogie

884
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:30,400
instead of risking a double or triple bogie instead of

885
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:31,719
the part. And I hit it. I hit it over

886
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:32,840
to the left and I hit it into the big

887
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:34,920
ferry part and I actually got up and down for

888
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:41,599
par Wow, And I thought, how interesting that just changing

889
00:46:41,679 --> 00:46:44,159
how I'm thinking to being like, no, no, I don't

890
00:46:44,199 --> 00:46:47,119
even care where the pin is. I care where the

891
00:46:47,159 --> 00:46:50,159
biggest part of the fairway is. And because I don't

892
00:46:50,159 --> 00:46:51,840
even know how to hit a bunker shot left handed,

893
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,480
yet I don't want to get in there, I can't

894
00:46:54,519 --> 00:46:57,840
get out, so I have to stay in the fairway.

895
00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:59,880
How can I stay in the fairway? So sometimes that

896
00:47:00,039 --> 00:47:02,079
meant hitting eight iron instead of five iron and just

897
00:47:02,119 --> 00:47:06,960
playing thirty yards short. Sometimes it meant aiming like absolutely

898
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,159
the other direction of the water and then having a

899
00:47:09,199 --> 00:47:11,559
longer shot in. And now I'm starting to think of

900
00:47:11,599 --> 00:47:14,360
the game differently from the people that I'm trying to help,

901
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,519
perspectives like, well, how do we help them? Well, you

902
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:23,119
have to aim for your your ability always. So it's

903
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:24,159
so interesting.

904
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds fascinating. So tell us about where we

905
00:47:28,039 --> 00:47:30,880
can find you online? What is a big swing kings

906
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:31,679
dot com?

907
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: Yes, you can see there in the hat. If it's

908
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,360
on video or if it's own voice, it's Big Swing

909
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:39,920
Kings and it's everywhere at Big Swing Kings. So website

910
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,559
is Big Swing Kings, the YouTube, the TikTok, the instagram,

911
00:47:42,599 --> 00:47:44,679
the the everything.

912
00:47:44,679 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 2: You give online lessons to.

913
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 1: Online lessons, Yeah, through through skillstand through the website. You

914
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,079
can book online lessons with me. You can even submit

915
00:47:53,119 --> 00:47:55,239
your swing for free and I will roast it. I mean,

916
00:47:56,079 --> 00:48:00,159
help you while also making fun content. But no, and

917
00:48:00,199 --> 00:48:02,280
that's the beautiful thing about golf is we all know

918
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,960
that we suck. It doesn't matter what level you're at.

919
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,199
You can watch the top pros on a bad day.

920
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,800
We all know that we suck. And that's what makes

921
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,159
it so much fun is that we can make fun

922
00:48:11,159 --> 00:48:14,000
of ourselves and we can see our errors in life.

923
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,960
It's like, it's like how we should think about life.

924
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,119
It's like, ah, we mess up all sorts of places,

925
00:48:19,559 --> 00:48:22,079
and we're okay looking at ourselves and saying, yeah, you

926
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:23,800
know what, that actually does need to change. And that's

927
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,119
what I love so much about helping people in golfers

928
00:48:26,119 --> 00:48:27,519
that we all know that we need help.

929
00:48:27,519 --> 00:48:30,599
Speaker 2: We all yeah, mar Martin Chuck said you can't embarrass me.

930
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,480
I play golf exactly, so you can't say anything that

931
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:34,400
will embarrass me.

932
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,199
Speaker 1: I have missed a two foot putt to win a match,

933
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,079
like it's there.

934
00:48:39,679 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 2: You should be looking at the hole.

935
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: No, I need one of those balanced lie angle balanced putter.

936
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,039
That's the newest trend, isn't it.

937
00:48:50,159 --> 00:48:56,159
Speaker 2: Don't get me for not for golf smarter listeners, No, no, no, listen.

938
00:48:56,199 --> 00:48:58,800
We've been on lie angle balance. We've been on the

939
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:05,519
Lab golf putter for since twenty nineteen. Huge advocate. Absolutely

940
00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:08,719
love those butters. So don't cross me here. This is

941
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,400
not the time because we're about to say goodbye, David.

942
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,840
This has been a lot of fun. Thank you so

943
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:15,239
much for joining us today.

944
00:49:16,119 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 1: I actually do have a Lab butter in the bag

945
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,880
at the moment, so I can't say too much.

946
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course you do. Everyone should and probably will soon.

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Oh my god, David, thanks a lot, really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you friend.