Speaker 1: Hey guys, Happy Wednesday. Welcome to Puck Time.
Speaker 2: We are here to break down the small but hopefully
profitable NHL betting slate. I am Andrew McGuinness and filling
in for Carmi and Bianco, we have mister Brian Leonard.
Brian has had success for many, many years in the
NHL and he's doing it once again this year. So
we got him always ready in the bullpen. I wouldn't
even say bullpen. You're a You're a starting pitcher here
Brian on Puck Time. We're seeing you multiple times a
week here on the show. So looking forward to a great,
great show, multiple games worth getting to. I believe we
just left one game off the show, and that was
the game with the most Jews. So today Rangers at Lightning,
Oilers at Flyers in the New Jersey, Devils visiting the
Chicago Blackhawks in Shytown.
Speaker 1: Brian, good morning, how are you.
Speaker 3: I'm doing great and it's good to see you. And
I like your background. That's nice. I've got a lot
of stuff like that and probably need to put the
upstead of the books, but yeah, that's a nice background.
Speaker 1: Thank you. You know, the funny story behind that is that.
Speaker 2: I've had it for a couple of weeks, and everyone
keeps on joke kept on joking around, Like CARMI was like, dude,
looks like it looks like you're in a jail cell.
You got just like the most boring your wall background.
And I've been trying to mix things up. And I
wouldn't say I'm like an overall stubborn person, but I'm
not really a handy guy by any means. But I
don't like to ask for help with stuff. And this
actually used to have like glass on it, but now
the glass. I was trying to set it up and
I dropped it and the glass sort of shattered. So
it was kind of just sitting there for for like
maybe two weeks before I kind of patched it up,
made some changes, got the glass taken out. My girlfriend
actually helped me. I got to get it for credit,
put it up in there, and I want to get
more stuff along the sides. But you know, I give
a lot of credit to people to have cool backdrops
because it does make it a little bit better. And
we've come a long way from all of us doing
the green screens, and now we got a little bit
more personal and I got to give you some credit
because me and Prez were talking about this the other
day about people that have the books, because it's like,
you know, when you have a book background, everyone just
wants to know what books they are.
Speaker 1: Everyone's like it's so important.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, maybe I need to just pull them out
and rotate them and put something face in the front sometimes.
But yeah, I've read them all. I don't remember a lot,
but it's over the years. But I used to have
when I lived what I call it my big house.
When I was in that part of my life where hey,
you wanted to show off and you had the nicest
cars in the whole bit. I had. I had stuff
up on every room in the house. I had a
home theater, I had my big office, jerseys, frame jerseys
all over the place. Now as I get older, that
stuff doesn't matter as much. So yeah, trying to uh
save more money for retirement, which hopefully I'll be coming
up pretty soon. But hey, we could do our we
could do our jobs on a beach anywhere, you know,
as long as we've got a computer.
Speaker 2: Yes, that is for sure. You're saving for retirement. I'm
saving for a house. Tired of renting, But right now.
It's that age old debate right now, what's what's more
worth it? But it is nice to get a property down.
A lot of people in the chat right now. We've
got Lex with us, We've got djen Tz's with us,
Goose is with US, Nebraska's with US, mm is with US,
A Johnson with US, Steven Rogers. Steven says I was
sweating out five percent Carmine had last night.
Speaker 1: Glad it came through. Gotta love that, Gotta love that.
The only time the Dallas Stars led the whole game
is when they eventually won it and want to win
for them. Three to two for the Dallas Stars, So
congrats to Carmia. It's not about how you win, it's
if you win, and they got the job done.
Speaker 2: So Brian, let's get through one game here and then
we'll do some open discussion. I know you had something
that you wanted to mention with me, and I always
want to talk with you about some strategy as well.
So let's take a look at this New York Rangers
game here taking on the Tampa Bay Lightning. And I
think it's fair to say earlier in the season there
were two Florida based teams that weren't doing so well well.
Now we can really only say it's one Florida based
team that's not doing so well because the Tampa Bay
Lightning went on a little bit of a shreak. I
have not pulled trigger on this game yet, and I
feel like I've lost a ton of value on it.
On my show last night, the pre Scout, which I
do have to get you on, I did talk about
liking the Rangers here. One thing that I mentioned is
that sometimes you can build momentum as a team even
if you defeat.
Speaker 1: A not so great team.
Speaker 2: And the number of minus one to fifty seven open
Pinnacle now showing one thirty six. Do you agree with
me that even if the Predators aren't a great team,
the Rangers could maybe build some momentum off that victory
over the Preds.
Speaker 3: Any victory at this time, especially a home victory for
the Rangers is something you can build on.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Karlam and I believe had to play on
the Rangers. I'm just just from a memory. Uh maybe
it was just on the show here, but it was
a situation where the Rangers have not been scoring at
home and I used to pre play against them. Actually,
I couldn't trust that line the way they've been playing,
but hey, they played very well. They took took it
into account that they needed to get going, and a
lot of times, you know, you get it in your head,
and I'm sure the Rangers had it in their head
like gee, what the hell's going on here? And for
them to come on and get that little monkey off
their back. You know a lot of people have said
that they've been a little bit down this year, but
you know, they played eight games at home, nine games
on the road, and their minus two in UH scoring
differential on the season that tests me they're an average
team and they may be a little bit better than
an average team overall. But you know, they haven't played
well and they're still not that far behind. Like I said,
only minus two on the season. And when you look
at Tampa, Tampa's a team that's plus five on goals
on the season, seven home games, eight on the road.
You know, if they played more road games than home
and you've got a plus goal differential, that means you're
a pretty good team. And we saw how they really
struggled out of the gate earlier this year, so they
are playing very well right now. And the thing you
got to point out about the Rangers, they have not
only been great this year on the road. I believe
there's seven to one and one on the road. They've
got a twelve twelve goal differential since the twenty one
twenty two season. On the road. The Rangers lead the
NHL and points at two hundred and twenty one points
and tied with the Wins at one hundred and one.
So them playing well on the road is not something
that's a surprise this year. This is one of the
best road teams in and football and or excuse me,
in hockey. And we know all about good road teams
in football all the time they talk about them. Certain
teams are very good on the road. I don't think
the Rangers get enough credit for how they play on
the road. Here the line right now, we can get
basically anywhere from like one eighteen to one twenty three
on the Rangers. Not enough for me to make it
a selection, but I would have to think that that's
a pretty good payback. I mean, Tampa Bay's very good
when he played the Knights the other day, Just the
sharpness of their passes, the accuracy of their pastes. When
they're on, they are on, and they're very good, and
this is a very strong homemice advantage. But as you mentioned,
the line has come down a little bit on the dog.
So I still like the Rangers a little bit. Probably
won't get there for clients.
Speaker 2: You know, I agree with a lot of the stuff
you just said there. Brian agreed a lot of the stuff,
and TJ says, I'm going to paraphrase here because he
gave both these goaltenders some nicknames. We'll call it, but
he says, pretty much, remember the days when Vasilevsky and
Schisturkin were dead unders.
Speaker 1: And yeah, that's true. Those those both those goalies.
Speaker 2: Haven't had the best seasons by any means here, But
looking at the analytics for these teams last ten games,
all situations, they both fall in the top ten as
far as expected goals against. Positively, the Rangers seventh, Lightning
second according to my numbers. So you know, we can
talk about offensive numbers all day long with this Rangers team,
but specifically their defense has improved. Couldn't agree more with
what you said there about them as a road team.
At least the joke like that can finally be out
of play. I mean, I guess they kind of have
to follow it up.
Speaker 1: Ryan.
Speaker 2: It can't be just one win at MSG. The joke
will still be there. What's crazy is it's not even
that bad that they haven't won a game at They
hadn't won a game at MSG. It was more so
that they had gotten shut out that many times, and
it was only like November. It's not like it was like, oh,
this team in through four months of the year has
been No. I bet you a lot of teams won't
be shut out that much at home all season long.
So having said that, though, I kind of lean towards
the under based on what the analytics are telling me,
but I do think if it goes towards an under,
I would look towards.
Speaker 1: This Rangers team. And you know, do you think, Brian,
like when because.
Speaker 2: You see that people talk about this all the time
on social media and you've been doing this a long time,
and I the line is what it is right now,
right and you and I can look at what it
was last night, And that's one of the reasons why
I started doing my show. Sure, if I have packages,
I'm going to promote them, but a lot of times
I'm talking about a few games that I like, and
I think that when you look at this Lightning team here,
besides their game against the Avalanche, which they still kept
it within one, could we maybe argue that life has
been very very good for them recently and the Rangers
maybe it could be the hungrier team going into this matchup.
Speaker 1: But have we lost value? I guess what I'm trying
to say to you or or is that just how
the game goes?
Speaker 3: Yeah, at least for me, I have at night certainly
I'm looking to put out most of the time, I
don't nless. It's like a five that I know I
need to get grab this line as soon as possible.
I like to wait because in the morning the lines
go up, so you've got a chance to get more
money on it. So I've got guys. I'm sure you've
got guys that follow you. The bet pretty sizable and
I'm the same way. So if I give something out,
we can all have a better record. Like in baseball,
you see it all the time. That's one of the
advantageses that Tokyo Brandon has is his day is different
than ours, so he puts it up at his normal time.
But that's early for us, but he only has the
overnight lines, so he gets better numbers. And a lot
of times you play props, you've got to get in.
You know, those numbers as soon as possible are never
going to be there. So that's an advantage to his
guys that can do that, but it's also a disadvantage
for guys who can't really bet until later on in
the day. So I try to as the day goes on.
There's certain games where I think, yes, that is hit
my I call it strike points. That is hit my
strike point. I can give that out now, or I
could bet that right now. So I like to save
everything until the morning. But unless it's something that I
think is really going to move, I don't put anything
out until the morning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm similar to that. One thing I will say
is that people tell us that in the NHL market,
movers don't matter. Like I've heard so many analysts and
radio hosts go on and on about how odds makers
don't care about NHL money. But there are still some
books that you and I can look at, Brian and
respect more than others. Right, and the best part about
odds logic, which you and I both really like and
everybody I wager talk and promote. You can structure the
books in the order that you would like them to be,
so you know, if you don't have access to Caesars,
then there's no point in you having Caesars in the front,
front and center, you know, or whatever it might be,
not to call them out or who a Pinnacle. Some
people can't I can use Pinnacle. A lot of people
can't use Pinnacle. But sometimes my point is here, I
like using sometimes references that I've seen overnight, Like for example,
I like looking at overnight flips. So some people say, oh, well,
you're betting that team now, you could have got to
met a better number yesterday. This is sometimes an example
where I'm respecting the market, you know, and I'm saying, hey,
what's the deal here? This team was one twenty. Now
we got the other team minus one to fifteen. What's
going on here with that? And kind of like similar
to the Habs game yesterday, Like when I was handicapping
that game on Monday night, I said to my audience
on my night show, very curious to see what happens
overnight here with this one, And to the shock of nobody,
we saw really no movement on Montreal, and that was
a little bit worrisome for me. So it sounds like
you and I are on the same page, kind of
lean towards this Ranger side in this one. I think
also this one could be a game that maybe starts
off more lower scoring and then starts to blow up
a little bit after. We'll see when it comes to that.
So I like this one here. Nice to see a
pick in your cell room. Yeah, exactly. We're out of
the jail cell. We're out of the jail cell. We
got we got some artwork. Somebody shipped me. Somebody shipped
me some artwork here in the jail cell. Brian, you
had a topic you wanted to talk about today, anything
you wanted to bring up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do. But first I wanted to point out
you were mentioned the line service. Living in NOAs, Vegas,
I've got all the obviously, all the line services are
here for Vegas. I would recommend, even if you don't
have Circa or maybe South Point or the Westgate to
get them just for Golden Knights games because most most
of the locals are going to play the Golden Knights.
Those are local sports books here in Vegas. There's obviously
they've got a couple outside of Vegas, but you're going
to get a feeling on what the book makers think
about those games because they know they're going to take
money in on Vegas. And if you see the Vegas
lines lower on the home team than other places, that
tells you the local linesmakers think that the other team
has a pretty good advantage there. But the one thing
I wanted to talk about, we're now anyway from fifteen
to twenty games into the season, and I have my
pre preseason work done as you have, and I've got,
you know, I go through all the sportsbooks, the sportsbooks
that I trust, and I get their season wins numbers,
and I read them all down and I ranked them
my power ratings based on that. For example, on today's card,
we'll just look at the the Edmonton game, and coming
into the season, Edmonton was expected to be twenty five
and a half points better than Chicago. If you have
watched these two teams play, is Edmonton even better than Chicago?
So my question to you is how often how long
long does it take into the season for you to
throw away your priors before you get into it. I
have had a lot of success throwing away my priors
earlier this season because I have been on a lot
of these teams that have been you know, San Jose, Chicago, Montreal,
a lot of these teams that were more of an
afterthought coming into the season, but like the Penguins, and
I've made a lot of success on these on these
teams by doing that. Is it time to throw away
all of your preseason thoughts or do you still need
to keep that into account when you're doing your handicaping.
Speaker 2: I think that maybe this time is the time to
do it, Brian. At this point, we've seen enough a
little bit here. But I'll be the first one to
tell you that when I was talking, I'm gonna give
him credit, I was talking to Ronald Kbang.
Speaker 1: I'm u cop.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if he's watching this right now, but
I would say there's pros and cons to hockey being
my face sport. And I'm going to be fully transparent
with you here, Bran. Like when I watched when I
started handicapping the KBO, the Korean baseball with Dave Cochin. Now,
I'll forever remember that that was so much fun to
do with him. It was an honor everybody in the
world was all of a sudden a Kbo handicapper, right,
like you know.
Speaker 1: And the thing is he and I.
Speaker 2: Were actually putting in the work and putting our faces
on video, like we couldn't hide from it. I wasn't
just you know, closing my eyes and putting out a pick.
But where I'm going with this is like I had
no biases, Like ten weeks and I'm not lying. Ten
weeks before I didn't even know who the best pitcher
in the league was, right. So one thing that was
kind of nice going into that handicap with that sport
was like I was strictly data driven, Like, Okay, this
picture is not doing well, this team's metrics offensively are
going well, this is a bad situational spot.
Speaker 1: Whatever.
Speaker 2: Now if somebody is looking at you know, this NHL season,
that's not as much of a hockey guy that doesn't
really get caught up. Like I hated the Bruins going
into this year. I thought the Penguins were going to
be trading off pieces at the trade deadline, right, But
look at this Bruins team, Look what they're doing right. So,
but I think that at the same time, Brian, we're
at that point in time now where some of those
teams that are overachieving might start to be humbled a
little bit. I guess my answer is like, I necessarily
don't want to bet on them anymore, but I'm not
going to bet against them as much anymore. With some
of these teams, like look at the Anaheim Ducks, I
don't know what the splits are, but I can probably
tell you there were a lot of people that liked
the Ducks last night because why not value?
Speaker 1: You know, they've been looking good. You look at the
two divisions, and this.
Speaker 2: Is kind of what I was talking about when you
talk about looking at the odds. Pages and bookmakers aren't stupid, right,
and they're they're in business. The casinos look pretty awesome
for a reason, right. And so when you look at
the odds last night for the Colorado and Anaheim game,
and then you look at the results of the game,
I guess the book makers might have been right to
price that the way it was. But if you ask
everybody in our live chat yesterday, no offense to everybody
the watched, everybody said that Anaheim had to be the.
Speaker 1: Play because of the value. Right. So I think that
in long winded turns. Brian.
Speaker 2: I've struggled with not changing my mind fast enough with
some of these teams because I'm so I guess confident
in my preseason projections. But then once I do find
those spots to bet on them, then you can make
some money. Do you find though, right now, Brian, that
we've lost value on some of those teams, Like look
at San Jose, look at Chicago, Like is it almost
too late to bet on those teams?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: The good thing is in hockey is it changes all
the time. We're only fifteen to twenty games. In the
next fifteen to twenty games could be total opposite. You
mentioned the Florida Pama. There's Florida's got so many injuries
right now. I'm amazed how well they're playing actually to
be where they are considering all the injuries they've had.
So yeah, it's funny because I never handicapped hockey. I love,
I loved going to hockey games when I was younger,
but I grew up in Cleveland. You know, we didn't
have a whole lot. And that's once Vegas got a team,
I said, you know, I'm gonna start handicapping hockey. So
I came in. I didn't have the advantages that you guys,
you know, being Canadian, especially followed hockey since you were born,
So I didn't have those ideas in my head. And
knock on wood, I've had a lot of success because
of that. I don't have the preconceived ideas, and I
think that is something that really is is a detriment.
And depending on you know, you guys know all the players,
you know how to pronounce the names other than Carmike.
But it's it's a situation where you're very familiar with
the history. You guys throw in and I said, oh
I remember that guy, I remember that. You have to
have so much more knowledge on it than I do.
But because a lot of people when they're handicapping, especially
in the NFL, I think we can all agree that
the NFL is the hardest sport to be and it's
because everybody knows everything about the NFL. And so we've
had we followed these teams our entire life, and it's
hard to get the passed out of there and say, Okay,
well this is a different team this year that you
did a lot of injuries. You got to figure it out.
But yeah, it's That's one of the joys of handicapping
every night, especially in hockey and baseball. Any night, any night,
one team could be in another team. You mentioned the
Anaheim game. If you charted, I got charted the way
the numbers go all day long. Even though everybody I
know like the Anaheim, more money came in on Colorado
as the day went on, So that line kept getting
higher and higher. And that tells you the guys they're
betting big bucks are opposite that. And it's interesting just
how that works sometimes.
Speaker 2: It really is. And I'll just close with this. And
I brought up Ronald because he's doing well with the
NHL and he's data driven and what you talked about
with knowing the players' names, look, Brian, I would love
to do MLB content with you next year. I can't
do what you and Adam and Tokyo Brandon do. I
can't rattle off the names. But you know, nobody really
knew that for most of the year, I was number
four at the whole website in baseball, right because I
probably besides the Blue Jays roster, I'm not giving you
more than thirty names, like I have thirty forty names, right,
Like that's just is what it is. But I'm data driven.
It's pure numbers. I have my websites that I use
and I've done well with it. Nobody would know because
I'm not on video camera talking to and that's kind
of a shame a little bit, but that's how it works.
But hey, just because I know the fourth line guy
on the Utah man myth doesn't mean that I know hockey.
But let's hope it could help me out a little
bit here. So one quick thing here, where was the
comment ice EX. I like this comment from ICEX wait
for their first life after a winning streak and then
see what happens afterwards.
Speaker 1: It's kind of a good call.
Speaker 2: And that's kind of what happened with Pittsburgh, except for
Brian was the man and he still hit a five
percent on Pittsburgh and then they lost.
Speaker 1: Every other game after that.
Speaker 2: So you'll love to say it, all right, Brian, We
got to keep this this show moved, but I love
those discussions with you always. The next game on top
here Edmonton and Philly. You know, we don't give pres
credit a lot. I feel like just stopping there, but
I gotta give credit with Press credit for one thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But one thing that Pres says is that, you know,
betting on a team the next game after they win
a game where they might not have deserved to win.
And he's gotten that from people he's spoken to, But
we can kind of use that with with Edmonton. Like, man,
they have looked like shit lately, They've looked awful. But
and then they beat Columbus in a game in which
they got a short handed goal, they got a power play,
they won an overtime, like it took every single inch
of them to end up winning that game. But Brian,
as we always know, the W is what matters. Now
they go into Philadelphia. Carmine told a funny joke about
his friend with the first name Mo and last named mentum.
And I think that momentum has got to be in
the building tonight for the Oilers. So that's kind of
how I'm feeling. What do you think? Are you buying
it or are you not believing what the Oilers did
in the last game is going to affect this one? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, the Oilers have disappointed me pretty much all season
long if you take a look at their numbers. As
good as this team is, and we kind of we
saw the same thing last year, didn't we Edwinson started
slowly and then they got hot and they started playing well,
and then they went all the way to the championship game.
Right now, they've got a nine goal different differential and
goal scoring this year. They played eight home games, nine
on the road. That's not enough to be an average team.
And if you take a look at their last ten
games four, three and three, that means they've lost six
or the last ten. So it's still not a team
I'm looking too back in this point range. At least
in Philadelphia. They're plus four on the season, but they
have played ten home games and only five on the road,
so you've got to give that a little bit of
a look. And you're looking at the schedule for this game,
we've got Edmonton has lost three or four and that
game against Colorado, I really expected them to come out
and dominate that game because they had just gotten beat
by Colorado at home nine to one. Now that if
that's not going to wake you up and make you
come out and play hard. And they had the day
off between and then they had to go to overtime
that comeback against against Columbus and it was Columbus's if
I remember right, it was the last day of their
road trip. Granted it wasn't a good road trip. They
had not played well, but usually if you got a
team that has been bad on the road trip and
it's our last road trip game, kind of could see
them looking forward to coming back home. So I know,
I'm not giving out a lot of success there a
lot of credit for that, and guest Philadelphia and Philadelphia
has been a pretty big surprise for most of the season,
but they've had a lot of success at home. But
they've lost three straight games at home, and two of
those who were in regulation. Now they've got three days
off before playing the Oilers here and then they got
to go on the road and play on Friday and
Saturday at Saint Louis and Dallas. I like the situation
here for the home team in Philadelphia, and the way
that Edmonton has been playing all season long, I just
can't trust him here. I like Philadelphia in the spot
you're only getting about you anywhere from plus one twelve
to plus one nineteen. But still the way Philadelphia has
played at home on the season, losing three straight at home,
having this amount of time off I expect a really
good effort out of Philadelphia, and I was disappointed with
that effort out of Edmonton, even in the victory over
Columbus last time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that is something to be concerned about.
Speaker 1: Is the rest here?
Speaker 2: For anybody like me that kind of leans towards the
oiler's side, is that You're right, Philadelphia, and any game
preview or breakdown going into this game will tell you
that the rest is kind of an advantage here. I
always find Wednesday is kind of an interesting night in
the NHL. We all know that Tuesday, Thursday, Saturdays are
the busy days in the NHL typically, But if you
haven't played a game since let's say, maybe Saturday or
even Sunday, and then your first game is Wednesday, you
typically are playing a team that's already played a game
on Monday or Tuesday, which can make a little bit
of a difference. And of course that's the case for
a team like Philadelphia. Tonight so interesting to look at.
I just kind of I love the idea behind the
fact that Edmonton really didn't deserve it, you know. But
there were a lot of positive quotes. I'm not a
huge quotes handicapper, but there were a lot of positive
quotes in that locker room, and I kind of like it,
Like I kind of like how they didn't say.
Speaker 1: Ah, we didn't deserve it, we didn't deserve it. Whatever.
Speaker 2: They were just like, all right, let's go. Let's get
this thing going. So we'll see. One thing about this
is that Philadelphia versus Edmonton, when you look at it
offensively on paper, I think that if they roll the
pucks out and say first to four or five wins,
Edmonton takes it. Because Philadelphia expected goals is their bottom
ten consistently, shooting percentage is not good either, so maybe
the rest will help them. We had a comment in here.
I'm not sure if I can find it. We'll see
if I can find it. Mm says the under in
Philly Edmonton is the best deal he's seen all week.
All Right, he likes the under in this one. Maybe
the rest factor, Brian plays into it. Maybe the rest
factor could help the under because a lot of times
I talk about fatigue leaving leading to overs. I know
you're more of a sides guy, but what do you
think here? Does the rest factor helped the under here?
Speaker 3: Well, if you do like it, you want to grab
that six now because I'm staying for five and a
halfs pop up so to keep people that are betting early,
which are usually guys that bet for a living. They
tend to like that under as well. And what you
were talking about teams having the time off. If a
team is on a winning streak and they have the
time off, I think that's a negative because you know
how it is. I mean, we've all been in high school.
You your team wins, everybody's patting me on the back
all season long and or all week long, and then
you go to the next game. You're feeling pretty good
about yourself. You don't have that same fire. But if
you've lost and you've got three days off. You know,
Philadelphia Sports it isn't New York, but I'm sure they
are given this team some hell and so I know
the Flyers are going to come out with a good effort.
And like you said, they don't put a lot of
shots on goals, so maybe the Flyers think they need
to win this in a low scoring game. Yeah, the under.
The under makes sense to me.
Speaker 1: And then we got a comment from ice x.
Speaker 2: I always love it. Can one can one trust skinner
or a picker? Then The next comment immediately was to lose. Yes,
so we can trust.
Speaker 1: Them to lose or to give you negative fantasy points. Yes.
Speaker 2: So that is the tough thing about looking at those
teams are those goalies, is that you never really know
what you're gonna get. Look, I'm gonna die on the
hill though. They're not gonna win a Cup with either
of those goalies. But I also think that it's not
their fault that they haven't won a Stanley Cup either.
Speaker 1: Ye.
Speaker 2: Whether it's been defenseman or help on the offensive side
of things, it's not necessarily their help. That's not why
they lost, I think to the Panthers last year.
Speaker 1: It's not.
Speaker 3: It's interesting because everybody blames it all in the goalies
all the time. How many goalies have the Oilers been
through during this run where they've had McDavid. It's not
the goalies, it's the guys playing defense and they're not
putting themselves in good positions. And when you don't put
yourselves in good positions, you're gonna you're leaving your goalie
off to dry. And so that's why I just I
saw a little documentary on one of the goal of
Knight Sex goalies in every year. It's different every team
you go, you get traded from one team to another.
You're terrible of this team, all of a sudden, you're
great at the next team. It's all comes down to
the defense, which is one of the reasons why I
don't other than the elite goalies, I don't give a
lot of credit to that. They're all Any single game,
you can have a guy come out there with it
with a terrible, terrible goals against the averaging throw shut out.
It's just the way it is. It all depends on
how your team protects you and the team. The teams
with the young goalies and those kind of go those
kind of players, they've got to get back on defense.
Don't worry so much about offense. You've got to stop defensively,
and until you have that ability you can, you're not
complete team.
Speaker 2: I think you might find it funny that I'm somehow
going to relate this back to the Toronto Blue Jays,
but I'm the one of the most one though, was
the most pissed. Not only it was one solo home run,
two solo home runs, three solo home runs, but when
I look back to it, how many runners did they
have in scoring position in Game six and Game seven. Right,
David Schneider was on National TV in Canada just a
couple of days ago, and he said, did the better
team not win the series? And he said, no, if
we were the better team, we would have won the series.
Speaker 1: And I everyone, obviously he's.
Speaker 2: Gonna respect his maturity and the classiness of it. At
the end of the day, though they had so many
runners on base, Brian, Yeah, does it suck that Hoffman
gave up that home run? Does it suck that you
know you saw you Savage come in and Bieber come in.
Of course it does. But the offense didn't show up
when they needed it to. And that's ultimately what it
comes down to. So you need those guys to show
up before we get to the last game here. Brian,
You've had success lately with your five percent plays. Carmine
cashed his five percent play last night. I do have
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Speaker 1: I don't think Bill needs me to promote him.
Speaker 2: All the respect to Bill, but I don't think that
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Speaker 3: Bill's in the back end. That's why he's getting the sales.
He continues to promote himself. No, I know Bill, he's
a great guy. I've known it for many years and
all success to him. But yeah, he's on every show
out there. I'm surprised he's not on the hot. He
even makes an appears on the Hockey show. He doesn't
even handicap hockey, but yeah, talking about being hot. Yesterday
did the show and my play was Washington in the
first period and they win that one. Nothing. I saw Marco,
who's having a really nice hockey season. He used Washington.
He is a free play yesterday and they win the
game straight up. I also had a four percent play
on in Winnipeg yesterday, so that one, and that brings
my NHL record to seven and one to last eight.
My three percents in higher and every sport or on
a thirteen and three run and so we won that again.
Yesterday College football twenty eight and thirteen run. And I've
really dominated the MAC over the years. I went to
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of my hand. Swept the MAC the last two weeks
in these midweek games, yesterday's games, I did not find
any edges in, but I am going to have a
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And right now I'm hot as hell. And even in
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I've been very selective on my selection or my on
my plays, but we've had a lot of success doing it.
And I have at least two plays going today. I'm
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Speaker 2: Well, stay hot, Brian, you're seeing the board very well.
That Winnipeg call was great last night. I liked that
play as well as close to getting the window on
that one and Washington way to catch that Carroll. You know,
I wanted to ask you today because I know we're
long past that game, but do you kind of think
that for similar reasons to like in the Rangers, it's
kind of similar to like in the Capitals last night.
I feel like the handicap is very similar.
Speaker 3: It is a little bit similar. Carolina had been a
team comes back from a successful road trippic They were
okay in the roadship and then they come back home
and they've been very successful at home. They got a
team coming in Washington and Washington, Oh, this team can
continues to blow leads. They're not any good. Washington was
the team that got hustled them yesterday. And that's really
what you want if you follow a team, and I
know you do this with Montreal, I do it with Vegas.
I can tell by the hustle that they're playing if
they're going to be in that game, or if they
just don't have it early. Another reason why we love
betting live hockey, live sports, led baseball, football. That's really
the way it's going, you know, even though in the
United States and Canada, especially the United States, there's a
lot more pregame action. If you go to Europe, especially
with the soccer, everybody's betting in game all it's like
seventy percent of their bets are in game. In the
United States, seventy percent of the bets of pre game.
So we're the United States, like in many many reasons,
are a little bit behind the times in this country.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the amount of in game bets that we see,
it's just growing and growing more and more. Also those
parlays and all that good stuff as well. Bruce, I
gotta mention to you, I'm one of the original ice guys.
Speaker 1: I was on that show as well.
Speaker 2: I was with them, And we have no competition with
any NHL betting show. We love everybody else that's handicapping.
We're friends with them. Alex used to be a part
of Puck Time actually, so hey, we've got no competent.
We want everybody to win. We want everybody to win,
and Brian, I gotta do this to you. I hate
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Brian and slash am for me. All Right, last game
of the night here, Chicago. This team's look pretty good
and their last couple of games here. But is it
a tough situation for them? In this particular game, devil's
offul loss, but it was a tight loss against the Islanders.
What do you think here, Brian about this one? Is
Chicago the real dude? We talked about the concept of
hey is this team good? Are they not good?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 2: Hey, what's your take on Chicago? Are they pretenders or
are they contenders?
Speaker 3: Well? I talked about Edmonton earlier, being that twenty five
and a half more points expected on the season, and
this one is twenty one for New Jersey, twenty one
points better than Chicago. If you take a look at
what New Jersey's done, they've had a very successful season.
They've got the most points in the Eastern Conference, right now,
but as opposed to Carolina, who is a plus fourteen
goal differential, the Devils were only plus seven. They played
eight games at home. They've been fantastic at all seven
to zho to one, have yet to lose in regulation home.
They're only four and four.
Speaker 1: On the road.
Speaker 3: If you take a look at their last ten games overall,
six and four. I always count the loss in overtime
as a loss, because I don't it is a loss
when you're looking about it in that range. So they
come in here and New Jersey. From a schedule standpoint,
they have one two of the last three. But they
did lose last time out to the Islanders at home,
and that game went to overtime. And in fact, if
you take a look at what they did at home, yeah,
they beat Pittsburgh, but they had to do it in
a shootout. They win the game two to one. When
you're Montreal Canadians, and I believe I was on Montreal,
I'm like, if I remember, it might have been on
Montreal in that game, but they had to go to
overtime to beat Montreal. So yes, they have done very
well at home this year, but that tells me they
haven't been playing that well. They were able to beat
the Kings in the previous road road trip, but then
they lost second to back to back to Anaheim. And
Anaheim's got a lot of good, young, fast players, and
anytime Anaheim is going to play a team in the
second of a back to back, I think you could
make money by betting on Anaheim just blindly in that regard.
But when you take a look at Chicago on the
season and you just look at the numbers you take,
you take away the names on the jerseys, like as
I mentioned, the Devil's a plus seven set a home games,
eight road games. Look at Chicago on the season, Chicago
on the year, I only have nineteen points, get part
of the twenty three that the Devils have. But if
you take a look at their goal differential, they're plus
twelve on the season, and yet they've only played six
games at home, ten on the road. That tells me
that this team is legit at least right now. And
if you take a look at their schedule, they are
off of three straight wins, all on the road, and
it's their first game back. So I like Chicago. I
hate the situation here for Chicago because they come back
from that road check. I believe they went three and three,
but they won the last three. They beat Vancouver, they
beat Calgary, they beat Detroit, all by multiple goals, three,
four and four. Now they're at home, where traditionally, if
you've watched them the last few years, with this young team,
they play much better at home than they do on
the road. They may be a little bit full of themselves,
and that's going to keep me away from Chicago in
this game. But this this Lackhawk's team has been very
good and we'll see if I'm kind of hoping that
New Jersey blows them out tonight so we could continue
to get better value on Chicago because I want to
be part of this team. It's going to be a
while until they're going to be a favorite against some
of these teams. And but I hate the situation tonight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is one of those ones here, Brian, where
I think like, if both teams were like well rested,
neutral zet neutral site, you're getting a price that's pretty reasonable.
Speaker 1: Everybody would want to be all over Chicago here.
Speaker 2: But situationally, you kind of look at You're like, Okay,
what's going on here? I'll tell you what I think
I like the over in this game, though I think that,
you know, Chicago, they have been how do I say it,
like falsely good defensively lately. I guess I don't know
if that's a good way of putting it. They have
been like un deniably, I guess, better defensively than they
probably should be over their last couple of games. And
I know that you and I said earlier in the show,
a win is a win, but you also have to
look at who will win. Is over for a certain
team in Chicago, Hey, good for them. You put up
some goals on this team and on that team. I
think everybody's scoring goals on a team like the Predators
right now, and certain opportunities to play certain lighter teams
like Vancouver.
Speaker 1: So we'll see. But I do like the over.
Speaker 2: You know, back off a road trip, Chicago's going to
contribute to the scoring in this one, but Devils are
going to be motivated as well. Devils are mostly a
team that I want to look towards at home because
of the last change, their great center depth. But Carmine
talked last year about how this was actually not a
bad road team whatsoever.
Speaker 1: This is a pretty good road team. As well, So
that will be it for the show. Here.
Speaker 2: Brian will circle back to you for some final thoughts.
I want to mention guys, I got a parlay. I'm
waiting for my graphic to be created here. I got
to have that done here soon for you. The same
game parlay or the prop parlay is coming out to
plus nine to seventeen for tonight. Sometimes they're like plus
three hundred, sometimes they're plus five hundred, whatever they might be.
And we always met while you guys just have a
little sprinkle on it. I got a few shots on
goal and a few points in this one. It's involving
two games, three picks from one to two from the other.
And yes, this is a recreational This is a fun
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Speaker 1: Brian, I do believe yours is B Leonard Sports? Is
that correct?
Speaker 3: B Leonard Sports? And I do want to point out
I don't I don't do the props. If I find something,
I'll put it up, but that's not my major handicapping.
Why change what's worked well over over the years. But
I will say that if you're handicapping the card today
and you're here watching this and I asked, I asked
Andrew about how you treat how many games into the
season do you take a look at dropping off the
preseason expectations, if you go into the the YouTube situation
for the replay, let us know, let us know what
your number is that you look or if you don't
even pay attention to it, or if when the season
starts that's it. I wait and see it, because I
know Marco does a lot of that. He waits time,
He doesn't get into action early on, and he just
sees how the teams are playing this year. Let us
know what you the way you treat those and uh,
maybe we can learn something from you, guys, because we've
got a really smart group of people to watch the
show every day.
Speaker 2: It's it's awesome because everybody approaches it differently. That's the
best part. But Carmen and I have talked about it.
I like the word he used, landmine. You know, there's
all these land mines earlier in the season. You got
to be aware of. I always say, the best time
to bet the NHL is January. I feel like you
have a very true identity about which each team is
or what they are probably post Christmas. And this year
is going to be very interesting because it's going to
be an Olympic break, Brian, which kind of sucks for
us on puck time. We'll see if I end up
doing any hockey content for the Olympics. But Olympic break,
we'll see how that goes and how which teams get
affected by that. But guys, Brian's been red hot. Make
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Thanks as always for joining me here, Brian, and guys,
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