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<v Speaker 1>Oh folk, it show die.

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<v Speaker 2>People say good money to see this movie.

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<v Speaker 3>When they go out to a theater, they want cold sodas,

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<v Speaker 3>pop popcorn, and no monsters in the protection booth.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone pretend podcasting isn't boring. Got a.

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<v Speaker 4>Superman, the most powerful being on planet Earth.

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<v Speaker 5>We finally meet.

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<v Speaker 6>Now as plans, I'll destroy you, and of course that

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<v Speaker 6>reporter you always do interviews with.

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<v Speaker 2>Who raised you as a child. I'll kill them too.

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<v Speaker 1>No matter what you do to me, Luthor, your plans

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<v Speaker 1>will work. Wrap it up.

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<v Speaker 2>Good luck with that.

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<v Speaker 7>Make a move, Big Blue.

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<v Speaker 1>They chose him that doesn't die. Hi, quit messing around.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm not messing around.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing important stuff. Hey buddy, it's up here.

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<v Speaker 5>Welcome to a special crossover episode of Midnight Viewing, the

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<v Speaker 5>Culture Cast and the Projection Booth. I'm yourls. Mike White

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<v Speaker 5>joined me once again.

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<v Speaker 2>Is Father Malone look up in the sky.

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<v Speaker 5>Also joining us is mister Christasue.

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<v Speaker 1>If I call you bitch, does that make me supergirl?

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<v Speaker 5>We are gathered to discuss the twenty twenty five film

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<v Speaker 5>from writer, director, head honcho of DC, James Gunn. It's

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<v Speaker 5>the story. Well, I'm just going to actually reuse the

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<v Speaker 5>intro I use back in twenty twenty one for Superman

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<v Speaker 5>the movie. The film stars David korn Sweat as a

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<v Speaker 5>titular Man of Steel. It's neither bird nor plane, but

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<v Speaker 5>a story of a man whose father gave has only

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<v Speaker 5>begotten son for the people of Earth. He's out to

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<v Speaker 5>fight for truth, justice in the American way by foiling

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<v Speaker 5>an elaborate Well, it's not really a real estate scam,

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<v Speaker 5>but I guess maybe it is. Whatever it is, it's

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<v Speaker 5>set up by Lex Luthor, played by Nicholas Holt. I'm

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<v Speaker 5>not sure if it's possible to spoil this film, but

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<v Speaker 5>we are going to try so. If you haven't seen Superman,

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<v Speaker 5>please turn off the podcast and come back after you have.

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<v Speaker 5>We will still be here. So Chris, as the youngest

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<v Speaker 5>one here, what is your history with Superman and his

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<v Speaker 5>various forms? Sir?

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<v Speaker 1>I had seen Superman Returns in the when it came out, which,

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<v Speaker 1>as I'm sure we all remember, was such a filmic

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<v Speaker 1>experience that they followed it up with nothing for a

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<v Speaker 1>very long time. I then proceeded to avoid like the plague,

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<v Speaker 1>which the people apparently people don't mind not having anymore,

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<v Speaker 1>the Man of Steel, which was primarily motivated by the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that it was directed by Zack Snyder, who, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I liked Yojimbo or is it Seventh Samurai when it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't five hours long with Rebel Moon or all of

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<v Speaker 1>the other extended horseshit that Zack Snyder throws up on

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<v Speaker 1>the screen, like that Justice League that we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>so many moons ago. So my experience with Superman was

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<v Speaker 1>about that. I went into the new movie having watched

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<v Speaker 1>the old movies to prepare for the new movie, not

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<v Speaker 1>having been a child of those movies, not having been

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<v Speaker 1>a child of the Chris Reeves Superman. Again, that is

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<v Speaker 1>where we are are. Probably at least one or two

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<v Speaker 1>of us are different in that regard because when I

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<v Speaker 1>was growing up, I did not watch Superman. I watched

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<v Speaker 1>those Batman movies, and by those, I mean the one because,

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<v Speaker 1>as father Malone knows, I just recently watched Batman Returns

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<v Speaker 1>for the first time last year, so I was more

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<v Speaker 1>exposed to other DC properties early on, not so much Superman,

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<v Speaker 1>and then post Superman Returns, I've seen Superman in things,

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<v Speaker 1>but more or less against my will is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>what it feels like with Batman. Versus Superman, Justice League movies,

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<v Speaker 1>I unequivocally had no interest in covering, but covered because

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<v Speaker 1>somebody's gonna want to hear us say something about it

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<v Speaker 1>at some point, so might as well be as soon

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<v Speaker 1>as it comes out. But that's my history with Superman.

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<v Speaker 1>So I am coming into this with no expectations. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>the only expectation I had going into this movie was

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<v Speaker 1>it actually kind of looked good. The guy who plays Superman,

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<v Speaker 1>David Corning, sweat actually feel like a hopeful version of Superman,

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<v Speaker 1>not like this dour, sad, muscle bound guy who seems

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<v Speaker 1>like he couldn't be less interested in playing Superman. If

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<v Speaker 1>you tried, kind of like Daniel Craig with James Bond,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, we get it, you don't like it. Everybody

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<v Speaker 1>else would love to play this role, but you fucking

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<v Speaker 1>hate it. Fun So I didn't get that in the trailers,

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<v Speaker 1>and I didn't watch the trailers for this movie, which

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to follow your lead and not regard, Mike,

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<v Speaker 1>because you tend to not watch trailers for stuff. And

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<v Speaker 1>I will say the trailers for this movie didn't spoil

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<v Speaker 1>anything either, So there was also no but that's my

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<v Speaker 1>experience with Superman. So I'm probably the least exposed of

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<v Speaker 1>the three of us in terms of Superman and Superman knowledge.

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<v Speaker 2>What about you, father Malone. When I was a kid,

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<v Speaker 2>there were no DC properties, There were no comic book

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<v Speaker 2>properties at all. The first comic book character I saw

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<v Speaker 2>on the big screen was Christopher Reeves Superman in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>seventy eight. I was five years old. I'm sure Mike

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<v Speaker 2>you had a similar story. So it was that, and

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<v Speaker 2>then Superman two, and then three and then four. I've

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<v Speaker 2>seen every cinematic Superman on screen since he's been making

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<v Speaker 2>flicks to greater and lesser interest and success. I'd say

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<v Speaker 2>those movies pretty much for me. The last good Superman

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<v Speaker 2>movie was Superman two. It might be the only actual

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<v Speaker 2>good Superman movie because everything else has been diminishing Returns

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<v Speaker 2>as far as I could tell, Like what's his name,

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<v Speaker 2>Brian fucking Singer with his horrible like attempt to sequelize

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<v Speaker 2>what was already sequalized, Like you calm down, young man.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, because Superman Returns was technically a sequel to what.

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<v Speaker 2>Superman for Superman two?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I was trying to remember if it was the

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<v Speaker 1>we cut a movie out scenario or not. That was

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<v Speaker 1>a very early example of that too, by the way.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and that's on the heels of us not getting

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<v Speaker 2>the Tim Burton Superman movie that we'd all been sort

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<v Speaker 2>of the salivating over during the nineties, and then, God damn,

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of disagree with you. I think Henry cavill,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think he was disinterested in playing that character.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he wanted to play that character. I just

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<v Speaker 2>think he was given the fucking most dour universe ever

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<v Speaker 2>to be Superman in. And who would want to play

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<v Speaker 2>that version of Superman? Anyone to want to play this one?

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<v Speaker 2>But I hated those movies. You know, I've said it before.

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<v Speaker 2>Zack Snyder has read two comic books, Dark Knight Returns

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<v Speaker 2>and Watchman, and that's it. And he didn't understand Watchman.

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<v Speaker 1>He understood that Watchman was visually compelling, that what's about it?

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<v Speaker 2>He gets surface things. That's why he used every music

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<v Speaker 2>cue from the book in there. That's why he put

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<v Speaker 2>fucking sounds of Silence in there, because he heard it

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<v Speaker 2>in another movie. It's like, we are not here to

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<v Speaker 2>discuss Zack Snyder, im mercifully his reign is over and

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<v Speaker 2>all of his fanboys can shut the fuck up now.

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<v Speaker 3>One.

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<v Speaker 2>I've really enjoyed this new Superman. I thoroughly. I had

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<v Speaker 2>a good time. Honestly, I have a lot of fucking problems. Nevertheless,

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<v Speaker 2>this was such a promising step in the right direction.

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<v Speaker 2>How about you mcguin, Oh.

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<v Speaker 5>Very similar story. I think I have seen every Superman

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<v Speaker 5>since seventy eight. I mean I didn't watch you know,

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<v Speaker 5>Superman Versus the Molemen or any of those.

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<v Speaker 2>But I saw those in a theater when I was

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<v Speaker 2>a kid. There was a theater that was a revival

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<v Speaker 2>house that used to show cereals. So I saw the Batman,

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<v Speaker 2>Sirius and the Supermans. Two.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I can't say I had a lot of hopes

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<v Speaker 5>pinned to the two thousand and six Superman returns. I

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<v Speaker 5>liked hearing the music cues, and my friend Mike Thompson

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<v Speaker 5>was recalling, you know, oh yeah, when we saw that trailer,

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<v Speaker 5>we were just so happy about it. And they said,

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<v Speaker 5>but what if they didn't use the music, what if

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<v Speaker 5>they didn't use John Williams's score, would we have still

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<v Speaker 5>felt the same? Probably not. And they were going all

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<v Speaker 5>out using footage of Marlon Brando and they were also

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<v Speaker 5>using the same lines from the earlier films. I'm just like,

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<v Speaker 5>why would he still be saying these things We've already

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<v Speaker 5>heard him say to miss Lane that traveling is statistically

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<v Speaker 5>still the safest way to fly. It just felt I

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<v Speaker 5>like Brandon Routh, and I felt like, kind of like

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<v Speaker 5>Henry Cavill, he just got shoved into a shit movie.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not a big fan of Scott Pilgrims Versus the

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<v Speaker 5>World or Saves the World or whatever it is, but

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<v Speaker 5>Routh really kind of redeemed himself in that movie for me.

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<v Speaker 5>But man, oh man, that was just such a letdown.

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<v Speaker 5>And then every Zack Snyder influenced thing. I mean, the

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<v Speaker 5>only time I think I saw Henry Cavill's smile was

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<v Speaker 5>maybe in his little cameo in the Sham movie. But

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<v Speaker 5>holy shit, Yeah, this one, it's definitely a James gun film.

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<v Speaker 5>It felt so James Gunn. It was more James Gunn

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<v Speaker 5>than James gun could James Gunn at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>You really think, so, I disagree, like.

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<v Speaker 1>James Gunn was holding himself back. I didn't even I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't realize we were giving our thoughts on the movie either,

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<v Speaker 1>because I didn't give mine. I thought this movie was

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<v Speaker 1>a step in the right direction, but just as your

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<v Speaker 1>foot was landing, you tripped a little bit, just ever

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<v Speaker 1>so slight. It wasn't a full landing because it was.

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<v Speaker 5>I will say that I enjoyed this movie absolutely. I

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<v Speaker 5>had a lot of fun with it. Just sometimes the

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<v Speaker 5>James goudness of it got him the way a little bit.

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<v Speaker 5>When it came to like Crypto, I was like, okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I remember the dog from Guardians of the Galaxy three

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<v Speaker 5>and the way that he would back and forth with

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<v Speaker 5>Sean Gunn and all that. Crypto felt so Rocket Raccoon

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<v Speaker 5>meets whatever. I can't remember the name of the dog

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<v Speaker 5>from the third Guardians film, who was also I believe

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<v Speaker 5>in the special, the Christmas special.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking about Cosmo, And yeah, James had a fixation

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<v Speaker 2>with dogs in all of his movies, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it's his dog. It's his dog now.

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<v Speaker 2>As an old Superman fan, like, look, I didn't think

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<v Speaker 2>we were ever getting Crypto, and honestly I didn't want Crypto,

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<v Speaker 2>so no one's was as shocked as me. The Crypto

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<v Speaker 2>was as well presented as he is, like he was very,

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<v Speaker 2>very fun for about twenty minutes and then I was like, Okay, yep,

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<v Speaker 2>Crypto again, let's put him here again at the end,

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<v Speaker 2>and that come, dude, we get it. You love fucking dogs.

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<v Speaker 2>We all love dogs. I love Superman. That's the fucking

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<v Speaker 2>movie I came for.

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<v Speaker 5>I thought he was cute and everything, but he was

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<v Speaker 5>just I kind of wish there was a real dog

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<v Speaker 5>don't know if there really was a dog that was

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<v Speaker 5>pure CGI the whole way through.

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<v Speaker 1>And the dog is based off of James Gunn's real dog.

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<v Speaker 1>That's He's like, I kept seeing my own dog and

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<v Speaker 1>all the promotional stuff, It's like, all right, James Gunn,

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<v Speaker 1>all right.

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<v Speaker 5>But yeah, I was surprised that Sean Gunn wasn't in it.

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<v Speaker 1>More.

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<v Speaker 5>I did like the little voice cameos from some of

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<v Speaker 5>the folks that were in Guardians, you know, Palm and

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<v Speaker 5>Michael Rooker I'm sure had a voice cameo as some

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<v Speaker 5>of these superbots that he had. And I like those

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<v Speaker 5>talking of that whole Tim Burton ordeal, the saga to

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<v Speaker 5>There were what six scripts, I think at least, including

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<v Speaker 5>other world eradicator, Yes, thank you, which loves to play

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<v Speaker 1>I am the Eradicator, I have to say.

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<v Speaker 5>As soon as they showed that video with Bradley Cooper,

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of liked that he was playing at at

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<v Speaker 1>end word over and over again, this guy is much

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<v Speaker 2>So he's actually lethal in person and thus not like

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, I mean he does kill somebody in the movie.

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<v Speaker 2>He's exactly like a fly. He doesn't have multifaceted eyes

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<v Speaker 2>nor wings, but he's definitely like a fly.

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<v Speaker 1>At the end of the day, if you have a

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<v Speaker 1>expect the audience to understand that coming into it, it's

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<v Speaker 5>I thought that was great. I love that intro.

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<v Speaker 2>Fucking a get right to it, everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it worked really well, but I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the plot, like you kind of alluded to, Mike,

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<v Speaker 1>does anything other than Meyer itself in a specific time

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<v Speaker 1>and place. And we've talked about this before with something

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<v Speaker 1>like the Twilight's Own reboot and then the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the framing device. And again, I know James Gunn is

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<v Speaker 1>the script for Ghostbusters twenty sixteen. The villain in Ghostbusters

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<v Speaker 1>twenty sixteen was an Internet in cell. That's what he was.

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<v Speaker 1>That's who took that movie to task was Internet in

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<v Speaker 1>cells because they thought the movie wasn't gonna be good

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<v Speaker 1>because women were cast as Ghostbusters. It wasn't go because

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't funny. Like Father belowde alluded to with the

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<v Speaker 1>Zack Snyder fanboys that are just dragging this movie because

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<v Speaker 1>it exists. I feel like part of the James gunness

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<v Speaker 1>I think he restrained himself at times with other things

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<v Speaker 1>that he wants to always do. I think he set

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty twenty five of it all, and it's not

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<v Speaker 1>the And again I don't want to say the wokeness

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<v Speaker 1>of it all because that's a stupid term. But like,

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<v Speaker 1>there are things that I don't think necessarily do your

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<v Speaker 1>movie any service, including them because they date your movie.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not saying every movie needs to be timeless,

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<v Speaker 1>but the dating of this movie does not help the

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<v Speaker 1>movie's cause. And I think it's the muddied plot of

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<v Speaker 1>the movie kind of goes nowhere, doesn't justify Superman getting involved,

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<v Speaker 1>And by the end of it, I'm like, I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>excited for whatever happens next because that means I get

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<v Speaker 1>to see this character who I actually like, is soon

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<v Speaker 1>this version of Superman going and doing something else. Hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>it's not this.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't make it this what plot?

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, that's yeah, it's very very little.

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<v Speaker 2>During the entire film, I kept wondering what the plot was,

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<v Speaker 2>and now twenty four hours later, I'm still wondering what

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<v Speaker 2>the plot was.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember how we were like, the trailer doesn't spoil the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>There was no plot to spoil.

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<v Speaker 2>The plot is basically Lex Luthors versus Superman no matter what.

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<v Speaker 1>The scenario is not always Superman.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fine, and I'm willing to go with that, but

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<v Speaker 2>I do need to spend a little bit more time

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<v Speaker 2>with Lex if you're going to tell me that the

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<v Speaker 2>same amount of screen time afforded to the miss Test

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<v Speaker 2>Mocker Jimmy Olsen romance is equal, because what in the

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<v Speaker 2>fuck is going on? First of all, just personally, I

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<v Speaker 2>do not like that actor playing Jimmy Olsen. There's something

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<v Speaker 2>about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Guy, oh Skyler Gazando.

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<v Speaker 2>That makes me think he grew up eating fried Maloney sandwiches.

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<v Speaker 2>There's just something about his face that makes me want

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<v Speaker 2>to push it in. I don't like him. Nevertheless, I

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<v Speaker 2>also was like, why am I? Why are we watching this? Like?

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<v Speaker 2>I know Lex, because I've read the fucking comics my

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<v Speaker 2>entire life, and I've fucking watched all of the movies

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<v Speaker 2>and the TV shows and everything, right, And that's fine,

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<v Speaker 2>so I don't necessarily need to get inside his brain.

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<v Speaker 2>But as you've said, he is at eleven the entire time.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the angriest Lex we've ever seen. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>good with angry Lex. That's fine. We haven't really seen

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<v Speaker 2>him yet, but what is actually motivating him? I want

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<v Speaker 2>one scene where we find that out. Just slow him

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<v Speaker 2>down for two fucking seconds. If that were to include

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<v Speaker 2>maybe a conversation with Superman that wasn't them just trying

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<v Speaker 2>to beat the shit out of each other. That could

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<v Speaker 2>have been welcome, and that only kept getting reinforced every

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<v Speaker 2>time we cut to this stupid fucking test Macher Jimmy

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<v Speaker 2>Olsen romance that I mean, I know it makes sense

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<v Speaker 2>the plot, like whatever plot there is like that pays off,

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<v Speaker 2>but who cares anyway?

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, there were other ways to get around it.

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<v Speaker 2>I had to vent my spleen about the fucking Jimmy

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<v Speaker 2>Owlson bullshit man.

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<v Speaker 1>Skyler Gazando, what did he do to hurt you? Father Malone?

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<v Speaker 2>He's unappealing, that's fair, No, I just that's vallid. He

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<v Speaker 2>seems a very talented human being. Maybe he's a really

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<v Speaker 2>nice guy. I don't like the look of him. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like Billy Zane. I know everyone loves Billy Zane. I

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<v Speaker 1>Robin Wright Penn with me. I get it.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, all right, yeah, I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Just like, yeah, I get it, get it, I will say,

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<v Speaker 1>Skyler Goazando is very funny in the Vacation reboot where

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<v Speaker 1>he's just having to shit beat out of him the

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<v Speaker 1>entire movie, So you might like it there.

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<v Speaker 2>That was where I learned to hate him there, because

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, this is our rusty.

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<v Speaker 5>This Oh I'd loved him in that. Yeah, but it's funny.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, we just talked about Vacation for the Chase

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<v Speaker 5>and Chevy Chase podcast and I'm sitting there through three

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<v Speaker 5>quarters of the movie just going is that that kid

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<v Speaker 5>looks so familiar?

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<v Speaker 2>Why do I know?

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<v Speaker 5>And I did like this weird thing where because he's

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<v Speaker 5>not traditionally handsome whatsoever. And when they had the very

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<v Speaker 5>attractive girls waving at him, I was like, are they

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<v Speaker 5>waving at somebody behind him? And then later on when

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<v Speaker 5>me forever to realize that she was missed Testmcker. They

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<v Speaker 5>just come calling her Eve through the whole thing. But

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<v Speaker 5>when they find out what she looks like and they're like,

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<v Speaker 5>what is it with you, Jimmy? Like why are all

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<v Speaker 5>these girls throwing themselves at you? These very hot women,

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<v Speaker 5>Like what is going on here? I kind of like

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<v Speaker 5>that I really wanted more Harry White. I really would

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<v Speaker 5>have liked to have seen more of him.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 5>I really like the actor that played him, Wendell Pearce,

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<v Speaker 5>But it just felt like there wasn't a lot of them.

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<v Speaker 5>And I guess I am not very smart when it

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<v Speaker 5>comes to the Superman more. I kind of go back

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<v Speaker 5>more to the old radio show and stuff when it

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<v Speaker 5>comes to the Daily Planet, because I had no idea

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<v Speaker 5>who the Cat Grant character is.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, she's relatively new, she showed up in the eighties.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, because I'm just like, who is this little blonde

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<v Speaker 5>lady who looks kind of like Kristin Chenowith. But isn't

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<v Speaker 5>it's an apt comparison.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think maybe it was overstuffed with characters?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think all the time.

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<v Speaker 5>When you have this like bubble that they're in when

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<v Speaker 5>it comes to the Internet, when it comes to the

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<v Speaker 5>media sphere, and it's almost like I'm done with it,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, like, Okay, this bad thing happens. Then suddenly

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<v Speaker 5>we cut to Michael Ian Black as Cleaveless Thornweight doing

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<v Speaker 5>his whole talk show and all this stuff. And then

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<v Speaker 5>later on when they find out that Lex Luthor is

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<v Speaker 5>a trader cut to again, like all the headlines are

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<v Speaker 5>immediately that, and I'm like, oh, it's the twenty four

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<v Speaker 5>hour news cycle. It's like, how many times you know

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<v Speaker 5>it's not a Barry Sonenfeld movie, you know, come on, like,

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<v Speaker 5>it's just leave it alone, would you?

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<v Speaker 1>Like?

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<v Speaker 5>What's something else?

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<v Speaker 8>I go to the movies to escape, and I know

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<v Speaker 8>that this sounds fucking stupid, but I don't fucking need

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<v Speaker 8>to be reminded about how shitty the world is outside

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<v Speaker 8>in the fucking movies, because holy shit, the world outside

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<v Speaker 8>is rough as it is. But then it's like it's

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<v Speaker 8>Superman's dealing with the same stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I am like, fucking cool. I guess at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the day, Yes, I'm glad we never had Iron

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<v Speaker 1>Man was a drunk in MCU, But I think the

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<v Speaker 1>MCU made the right call by not including that, because

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<v Speaker 1>nobody wants to see Robert Downey Junior pretending to be

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<v Speaker 1>an old version of himself that he didn't fucking like,

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<v Speaker 1>and they avoided it.

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<v Speaker 2>No, they just puss it out in the second one

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<v Speaker 2>where they had that one scene with him a crunk,

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<v Speaker 2>He's gone crazy, He's pissing in his thing. So don't

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<v Speaker 2>think that they fucking avoided that. They just didn't dedicate

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<v Speaker 2>an entire movie to that story arc. They played that

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<v Speaker 2>arc out friend.

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<v Speaker 1>But they didn't give it a whole movie.

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<v Speaker 2>No, because nobody wanted to sit there for an entire movie.

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<v Speaker 2>But I understand what you're saying about the times reflecting

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<v Speaker 2>the movie and we want to get away from it

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<v Speaker 2>and everything. However, all my going into this movie was

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that, given our fucking current political climate,

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<v Speaker 2>when the world is on fire, that I can get

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00:23:07.359 --> 00:23:11.359
<v Speaker 2>behind some bullshit fucking like plot line of Superman and

422
00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:14.119
<v Speaker 2>Lois Lane and Lex Luthor for the fucking millions time.

423
00:23:14.480 --> 00:23:18.000
<v Speaker 2>So I actually embraced that they were sort of in

424
00:23:18.039 --> 00:23:20.759
<v Speaker 2>an oblique way, dealing with our current climate and dealing

425
00:23:20.759 --> 00:23:23.839
<v Speaker 2>with the current like attitudes and the current sort of

426
00:23:23.839 --> 00:23:26.920
<v Speaker 2>political machinations that are going on, because ultimately, it is

427
00:23:26.960 --> 00:23:29.119
<v Speaker 2>a James Gun movie, and it is a softball of

428
00:23:29.119 --> 00:23:31.480
<v Speaker 2>a film, and it is there to fucking hug you

429
00:23:31.519 --> 00:23:34.039
<v Speaker 2>and make you feel good. So if they're gonna do

430
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<v Speaker 2>it anywhere in entertainment, I want it here because everything

431
00:23:36.319 --> 00:23:38.839
<v Speaker 2>else is going to feel like a fucking ballpeen hammer

432
00:23:38.839 --> 00:23:39.400
<v Speaker 2>of the skull.

433
00:23:40.079 --> 00:23:42.720
<v Speaker 1>That's fair, but also, do we really want James Gun

434
00:23:42.720 --> 00:23:44.519
<v Speaker 1>to be the arbiter of our.

435
00:23:44.480 --> 00:23:47.920
<v Speaker 2>Top in this case? Apparently yes, I go.

436
00:23:48.319 --> 00:23:51.079
<v Speaker 1>I guess when you piss an entire group of people

437
00:23:51.119 --> 00:23:54.240
<v Speaker 1>on the internet off by saying, and I quote Superman

438
00:23:54.440 --> 00:23:58.599
<v Speaker 1>is an immigrant unquote an entire sub section of.

439
00:23:58.960 --> 00:24:01.319
<v Speaker 2>He's not being a rebel though, it's like the most

440
00:24:01.319 --> 00:24:04.160
<v Speaker 2>basic fucking fact about the man, he's not from here.

441
00:24:05.160 --> 00:24:10.599
<v Speaker 1>That was included in the Dean Kine show, for fuck's sake, literally,

442
00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:13.759
<v Speaker 1>then the article about it, they quote an episode of

443
00:24:13.839 --> 00:24:17.880
<v Speaker 1>that show. Like it's interminable at this point, how much

444
00:24:17.920 --> 00:24:19.440
<v Speaker 1>people can't get out of their own way to just

445
00:24:19.480 --> 00:24:22.160
<v Speaker 1>watch a fucking movie. It's kind of a sad thing.

446
00:24:22.599 --> 00:24:25.240
<v Speaker 2>It's interminable that we have to even have the conversation, like,

447
00:24:25.559 --> 00:24:27.880
<v Speaker 2>who gives a shit? What are you all talking about?

448
00:24:28.000 --> 00:24:30.720
<v Speaker 2>It's fucking Superman. He is the moral center of this

449
00:24:30.880 --> 00:24:35.039
<v Speaker 2>country and pop culturally speaking, Like, ever since the fucking thirties,

450
00:24:35.240 --> 00:24:37.599
<v Speaker 2>he has been our beacon of hope, and we embraced

451
00:24:37.640 --> 00:24:39.759
<v Speaker 2>the fact that he fucking came from somewhere else and

452
00:24:39.799 --> 00:24:44.319
<v Speaker 2>could do whatever he wanted and chose to enact our ideal.

453
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<v Speaker 1>He disguises himself as someone from Kansas. For God's sakes,

454
00:24:49.000 --> 00:24:53.559
<v Speaker 1>he is from someone from Kansas. Exactly. None of us

455
00:24:53.599 --> 00:24:57.880
<v Speaker 1>are adopted. None of us can understand like direct adoption

456
00:24:58.000 --> 00:25:00.400
<v Speaker 1>by two parents that are not ours. And that's the

457
00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:03.079
<v Speaker 1>other thing that Superman brings is he's adopted by a

458
00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:07.519
<v Speaker 1>family without children to be their son. And then he

459
00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:10.920
<v Speaker 1>takes it upon himself to embrace that as a character,

460
00:25:11.000 --> 00:25:13.759
<v Speaker 1>and that's part of his character and in the movie,

461
00:25:14.160 --> 00:25:16.079
<v Speaker 1>I think that's probably the best part of the entire

462
00:25:16.119 --> 00:25:19.279
<v Speaker 1>movie for me, is those scenes with his family. That's it.

463
00:25:19.559 --> 00:25:21.160
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot going on in the movie, but the

464
00:25:21.200 --> 00:25:24.160
<v Speaker 1>center of heart of the movie are those moments pack

465
00:25:24.240 --> 00:25:26.680
<v Speaker 1>in Kansas. But it's like, of course, of course they

466
00:25:26.680 --> 00:25:29.079
<v Speaker 1>were going to be great. We have four actors who

467
00:25:29.079 --> 00:25:32.559
<v Speaker 1>are good actors, with well written dialogue interacting with each other,

468
00:25:32.599 --> 00:25:35.359
<v Speaker 1>with all the noise cut out and nothing else. It's

469
00:25:35.440 --> 00:25:38.640
<v Speaker 1>like an oasis in a sea of close up shots

470
00:25:38.640 --> 00:25:40.960
<v Speaker 1>of David Corning, sweat flying through the air.

471
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<v Speaker 2>As Clark Kent was raised in Smallville, Louisiana. Judging from

472
00:25:45.440 --> 00:25:47.920
<v Speaker 2>his parents at the accents.

473
00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:52.359
<v Speaker 1>Oh hold out, there aren't come in here, mush. They've

474
00:25:52.400 --> 00:25:55.480
<v Speaker 1>never been to Kansas, but they know where it is.

475
00:25:55.519 --> 00:26:01.000
<v Speaker 1>Un amappened. That was wild. The accents were people in

476
00:26:01.000 --> 00:26:03.279
<v Speaker 1>this part of the Midwest don't have any accents. That's

477
00:26:03.319 --> 00:26:06.440
<v Speaker 1>actually the point. That's why so many call centers are

478
00:26:06.440 --> 00:26:09.039
<v Speaker 1>in the Midwest because people don't have accents in the Midwest.

479
00:26:09.680 --> 00:26:13.000
<v Speaker 1>But yes, sound like they're in Georgia. Yeah.

480
00:26:13.240 --> 00:26:15.759
<v Speaker 5>I mean the whole idea of him being an immigrant

481
00:26:15.880 --> 00:26:19.359
<v Speaker 5>is what a lot of the lex Luthor problem is

482
00:26:19.359 --> 00:26:22.960
<v Speaker 5>is when he is just like, how dare this alien

483
00:26:23.440 --> 00:26:26.519
<v Speaker 5>come to our planet and think that he can do

484
00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:29.240
<v Speaker 5>all of this exist He's a total racist?

485
00:26:29.519 --> 00:26:30.000
<v Speaker 1>That's enough.

486
00:26:30.319 --> 00:26:33.119
<v Speaker 5>All that should be enough. Yeah, and then this whole

487
00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:37.119
<v Speaker 5>thing of the two countries that he has fighting and

488
00:26:37.160 --> 00:26:40.200
<v Speaker 5>all that. I was like, Okay, that's kind of your plot.

489
00:26:40.279 --> 00:26:41.839
<v Speaker 5>So what I'm saying is if I was in the

490
00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:45.880
<v Speaker 5>control room that I would probably turn down the whole

491
00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:49.000
<v Speaker 5>thing about the media circus that is going on in

492
00:26:49.039 --> 00:26:51.480
<v Speaker 5>our country that we have to deal with every single day,

493
00:26:51.759 --> 00:26:54.599
<v Speaker 5>and maybe focus a little bit more on this, Yeah,

494
00:26:54.640 --> 00:26:58.039
<v Speaker 5>maybe Ukrainian situation that we have when it comes to

495
00:26:58.720 --> 00:27:02.200
<v Speaker 5>all of this stuff. I mean, that is where the

496
00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:05.519
<v Speaker 5>plot is heaviest for me, and I'm like, yeah, please,

497
00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:08.279
<v Speaker 5>let's stick around with that. And yeah, I do agree

498
00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:11.359
<v Speaker 5>that we tend to have a lot of characters in

499
00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:14.599
<v Speaker 5>this movie. We are jumping all over the place, a

500
00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:17.279
<v Speaker 5>lot of people at the Daily Planet, a lot of

501
00:27:17.279 --> 00:27:20.640
<v Speaker 5>people hanging out with Lex Luthor, this whole Justice Gang thing.

502
00:27:20.759 --> 00:27:23.319
<v Speaker 5>It's like, okay, that's a little much as well. I

503
00:27:23.359 --> 00:27:27.079
<v Speaker 5>mean that would tell me anything about Hawkgirl at all,

504
00:27:27.319 --> 00:27:28.640
<v Speaker 5>like any one thing.

505
00:27:28.799 --> 00:27:31.200
<v Speaker 1>She's okay with killing people. That's about it.

506
00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:34.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't know which hawk girl this is. There's a

507
00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:36.519
<v Speaker 2>Thanagarian hawk girl, there's a hawk girl on Earth? Which

508
00:27:36.519 --> 00:27:39.000
<v Speaker 2>one was she who knows don't even know her fucking surname.

509
00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:42.799
<v Speaker 5>And then to have the multiple villains and everything, I

510
00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:46.839
<v Speaker 5>was like, okay, like maybe one rather than having Ultraman,

511
00:27:46.960 --> 00:27:49.640
<v Speaker 5>which made me laugh every single time they said Ultraman.

512
00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:53.480
<v Speaker 5>And then the Engineer, I'm like, oh, okay, But again

513
00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:57.599
<v Speaker 5>they're medic humans, and if Lex hates medic humans.

514
00:27:57.279 --> 00:27:59.559
<v Speaker 2>But he employs them too, I mean I kind of

515
00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:02.240
<v Speaker 2>like that, but Lex has always done that, you know.

516
00:28:02.720 --> 00:28:05.640
<v Speaker 5>But the whole Pocket Universe thing I thought was great.

517
00:28:05.960 --> 00:28:08.400
<v Speaker 1>No, well, you know, he hates them, but he employs them,

518
00:28:08.440 --> 00:28:11.640
<v Speaker 1>you know. Again, a little on the nose movie like.

519
00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:14.759
<v Speaker 2>That's Smallville for ten seasons. He was using them to.

520
00:28:14.920 --> 00:28:18.480
<v Speaker 5>You know, I like the Pocket Universe stuff. I really

521
00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:21.119
<v Speaker 5>like the Mister Terrific stuff. I thought that was great.

522
00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:24.319
<v Speaker 5>I kind of wanted a little bit more of Guy Gordon.

523
00:28:24.440 --> 00:28:27.440
<v Speaker 5>I know he's insufferable in the comics. And my same

524
00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:31.839
<v Speaker 5>friend Mike told me his origin story and he I

525
00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:35.240
<v Speaker 5>love this backstory, and I really hope they go more

526
00:28:35.319 --> 00:28:38.000
<v Speaker 5>into it when it comes to the Lantern series that

527
00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:39.839
<v Speaker 5>they're going to be doing. And I have to say

528
00:28:39.880 --> 00:28:42.079
<v Speaker 5>I was a little delighted when I got to see

529
00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:44.799
<v Speaker 5>John Cena in here as well. That one little brief

530
00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:47.160
<v Speaker 5>moment of the Patriot I thought was great.

531
00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:49.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, they're going to have to explain that at

532
00:28:49.400 --> 00:28:51.400
<v Speaker 1>some point, but I'm glad that we now see that

533
00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:52.839
<v Speaker 1>as part of the thing, and.

534
00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:55.240
<v Speaker 2>They're just going to explain it off as some Pocket

535
00:28:55.319 --> 00:28:58.079
<v Speaker 2>universe of its own. Here's the thing about Pocket universes,

536
00:28:58.119 --> 00:29:00.960
<v Speaker 2>and this is always my problem with most super villains,

537
00:29:01.240 --> 00:29:03.839
<v Speaker 2>is that they always introduce some technology to defeat the

538
00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:06.519
<v Speaker 2>hero in and of itself, the patent would make them

539
00:29:06.599 --> 00:29:12.079
<v Speaker 2>billionaires beyond their wildest dreams. Lex has effectively a teleporter.

540
00:29:12.920 --> 00:29:17.240
<v Speaker 2>Why is there any battlefield at those two countries. He

541
00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:20.599
<v Speaker 2>should just march them through his little pocket universe and

542
00:29:20.640 --> 00:29:23.680
<v Speaker 2>into the fucking neighboring country and Bob's your uncle, we

543
00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:27.039
<v Speaker 2>now rule them. I know he covered his bases here,

544
00:29:27.279 --> 00:29:30.519
<v Speaker 2>James Gunn did in making that. Lex not only wants

545
00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:33.240
<v Speaker 2>Superman out of the way, he wants him humiliated. So

546
00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:37.799
<v Speaker 2>that's why it takes most of the movie. Lex's plot

547
00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:43.240
<v Speaker 2>concerns doing just that, like disgracing Superman. But really it's

548
00:29:43.279 --> 00:29:45.079
<v Speaker 2>a means to an end to get him arrested, to

549
00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:47.880
<v Speaker 2>get him into one of these Pocket universes. When he

550
00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:52.240
<v Speaker 2>has a we're spoiling everything, right, He has a clone

551
00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:56.400
<v Speaker 2>of Superman that he is under his direct control, who

552
00:29:56.480 --> 00:29:59.079
<v Speaker 2>at any time could have just grabbed onto Superman and

553
00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:01.519
<v Speaker 2>thrown him into one of these machines and sent him

554
00:30:01.519 --> 00:30:04.319
<v Speaker 2>into the Pocket Universe and then just fucking shut down

555
00:30:04.359 --> 00:30:07.400
<v Speaker 2>the Pocket Universe. I love a Pocket universe, They'll get

556
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:09.799
<v Speaker 2>me wrong. I like the visualization of it here and

557
00:30:09.799 --> 00:30:11.319
<v Speaker 2>some of the things they do with it. But as

558
00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:12.960
<v Speaker 2>soon as that was introduced, I'm like, Okay, well, this

559
00:30:13.000 --> 00:30:16.799
<v Speaker 2>is a whole new cosmic sort of situation. Now This

560
00:30:16.839 --> 00:30:20.160
<v Speaker 2>has repercussions beyond just Lex hates Superman and wants some

561
00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:23.920
<v Speaker 2>off planet like it made it a little too advanced

562
00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:26.160
<v Speaker 2>along the timeline of these movies, you know what I mean.

563
00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:26.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

564
00:30:27.319 --> 00:30:31.279
<v Speaker 1>It's also slightly disconcerting for me, as someone who has

565
00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:35.480
<v Speaker 1>not been a fan of any of the MCU multiverse stuff,

566
00:30:35.480 --> 00:30:38.200
<v Speaker 1>for them to be introducing this kind of stuff this

567
00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:41.720
<v Speaker 1>early on, knowing how poorly the MCU has handled it,

568
00:30:42.160 --> 00:30:45.000
<v Speaker 1>and this is just getting started. Like you said, Vada Blunt,

569
00:30:45.039 --> 00:30:48.079
<v Speaker 1>don't go there now, Like you could do a kryptonite

570
00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:51.440
<v Speaker 1>box with Superman in it, like they effectively did that. Anyways,

571
00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:54.160
<v Speaker 1>that was still part of the equation. It wasn't just

572
00:30:54.200 --> 00:30:56.079
<v Speaker 1>the Pocket universe. It's also you had to be trapped

573
00:30:56.079 --> 00:30:57.759
<v Speaker 1>in a box with a guy who can make kryptonite

574
00:30:58.200 --> 00:31:00.839
<v Speaker 1>out of his body, Like okay, why not just.

575
00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:04.640
<v Speaker 2>Do that, invite Superman to tea and bring Metamorpho with you.

576
00:31:05.160 --> 00:31:08.519
<v Speaker 1>I'm worried because I know the Peacemakers show what John

577
00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:10.880
<v Speaker 1>Cena is going to have to explain how the original

578
00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:15.519
<v Speaker 1>Peacemaker from the DCEU is now in the DCEU, which

579
00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:17.599
<v Speaker 1>are two different things, And they're going to have to

580
00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:20.119
<v Speaker 1>explain it somehow, and they've already alluded to the factor.

581
00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:21.400
<v Speaker 2>Are you really that concerned?

582
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:24.680
<v Speaker 1>I want this to stay uncarnished by shit like that,

583
00:31:24.799 --> 00:31:27.880
<v Speaker 1>because it's been shown how easily you can just start

584
00:31:27.880 --> 00:31:31.319
<v Speaker 1>getting into the weeds of stupidity with multiverse stuff. Because

585
00:31:31.359 --> 00:31:33.240
<v Speaker 1>the NCU has like hardcore.

586
00:31:34.160 --> 00:31:35.960
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I don't know if they'll ever do that. I

587
00:31:36.079 --> 00:31:40.200
<v Speaker 5>just feel like the Suicide Squad was basically the start

588
00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:43.920
<v Speaker 5>of the dc U whatever this new thing is called.

589
00:31:44.079 --> 00:31:46.400
<v Speaker 5>And I read in Wikipedia that they're calling it like

590
00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:49.000
<v Speaker 5>Phase one Gods and Monsters or something.

591
00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:51.559
<v Speaker 2>Amo he has been calling it since day one when

592
00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:53.279
<v Speaker 2>he got the gig. He was like, Phase one will

593
00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:56.599
<v Speaker 2>be gods and monsters, starting with creature commandos. And I'm like,

594
00:31:56.759 --> 00:31:58.759
<v Speaker 2>you know what, I definitely want to think about Universal

595
00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:01.480
<v Speaker 2>Pictures when I'm watching a wonder film and good work, James.

596
00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:04.799
<v Speaker 5>What do you guys think of Rachel Brosnahan as Lois Lane?

597
00:32:05.119 --> 00:32:06.839
<v Speaker 2>Loved her, He's great.

598
00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:09.880
<v Speaker 5>I love that she's got a little Margot Kitter in

599
00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:12.880
<v Speaker 5>her smile. I thought that was really nice, and I

600
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:15.799
<v Speaker 5>did really like her, and I really liked the scene

601
00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:18.720
<v Speaker 5>of them doing the interview. I thought that was great

602
00:32:18.759 --> 00:32:21.000
<v Speaker 5>acting on both of their parts, and I thought that

603
00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:23.400
<v Speaker 5>both of these actors are terrific.

604
00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:26.359
<v Speaker 2>I knew we were in good hands when she made

605
00:32:26.359 --> 00:32:29.799
<v Speaker 2>a choice as Lewis Lane to eat an individually wrapped

606
00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:32.880
<v Speaker 2>butterscotch candy by putting the entire wrapper in her mouth

607
00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:35.400
<v Speaker 2>and then pulling it out and then using her teeth

608
00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:38.400
<v Speaker 2>to keep the butterscotch in her mouth. I'm that's great.

609
00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:41.160
<v Speaker 1>I think she's the best contemporary like you guys, said

610
00:32:41.200 --> 00:32:43.400
<v Speaker 1>Lois Lane, since Margot Kidder. I don't think they gave

611
00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:47.200
<v Speaker 1>Amy Adams enough to do with Man of Steel and

612
00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:50.279
<v Speaker 1>then Kate Bosworth. I mean that movie just well again,

613
00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:53.440
<v Speaker 1>there's no excuses for that movie. That movie is a mess,

614
00:32:53.640 --> 00:32:56.240
<v Speaker 1>and Brandon Routh and Kate Bosworth have nothing to do

615
00:32:56.279 --> 00:32:58.279
<v Speaker 1>with that movie being a mess. That movie was a

616
00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:00.759
<v Speaker 1>mess long before anybody else was brought on board.

617
00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:01.759
<v Speaker 2>She's great.

618
00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:03.960
<v Speaker 1>I think she's great. I think she can stand up

619
00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:07.599
<v Speaker 1>to David korn sweat Superman, and her being able to

620
00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:11.039
<v Speaker 1>stand up to Superman, that's an important part of kind

621
00:33:11.039 --> 00:33:13.160
<v Speaker 1>of the dynamic between the two of them, especially with

622
00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:15.400
<v Speaker 1>what James Gunn is going for. I like she has

623
00:33:15.559 --> 00:33:18.039
<v Speaker 1>that she has a level of autonomy of her own

624
00:33:18.079 --> 00:33:20.480
<v Speaker 1>as a character is important because that's kind of always

625
00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:22.920
<v Speaker 1>been the point of the character, and that hasn't been

626
00:33:23.559 --> 00:33:26.039
<v Speaker 1>as much a part of the movies as it should

627
00:33:26.079 --> 00:33:28.440
<v Speaker 1>have been, if it ever has been with anything Zack

628
00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:29.400
<v Speaker 1>Snyder did at all.

629
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<v Speaker 2>You know, I can take color blind casting like DRIs

630
00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:36.960
<v Speaker 2>elbaz as Heim Dull, but I don't know where anyone

631
00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:39.680
<v Speaker 2>got this idea that it's cool to make Lois Lane

632
00:33:39.839 --> 00:33:44.880
<v Speaker 2>a blonde. Lois Lane is a brunette from now on.

633
00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:47.160
<v Speaker 2>Let's keep it that way. That is all.

634
00:33:48.599 --> 00:33:50.480
<v Speaker 5>I thought you were going to go after Perry White.

635
00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:52.799
<v Speaker 5>I was like, Oh my god, what kind of podcast

636
00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:53.799
<v Speaker 5>am I on right now?

637
00:33:54.759 --> 00:33:55.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, get out of here.

638
00:33:55.680 --> 00:33:58.359
<v Speaker 2>Are you kidding me? Laurence Fishburne was the last Perry White.

639
00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:00.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean you know, oh you know what they bitched

640
00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:01.640
<v Speaker 2>about that too.

641
00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:03.559
<v Speaker 5>Oh fuck Jesus Christ.

642
00:34:03.880 --> 00:34:06.680
<v Speaker 2>The people who ended up bitching that we weren't embracing

643
00:34:06.759 --> 00:34:09.760
<v Speaker 2>Zack Snyder enough. Initially we're bitching that Perry White was black.

644
00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:12.039
<v Speaker 2>Let's not forget that about those Zack Snyder fans.

645
00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:14.760
<v Speaker 5>And you could hold a gun against my head and

646
00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:17.760
<v Speaker 5>ask me who played Perry White or Jimmy Olsen in

647
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:22.000
<v Speaker 5>The Superman Returns. Maybe I would say Paul Dano.

648
00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:24.400
<v Speaker 2>Was he white? Was Franklin Jella?

649
00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:28.519
<v Speaker 5>Oh Jesus wow, thank you, because I just could not.

650
00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:29.559
<v Speaker 1>Think Jimmy Olsen.

651
00:34:29.719 --> 00:34:33.960
<v Speaker 9>Was Sam Huntington, Okay, Dylan No, he wasn't. Was he

652
00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:37.960
<v Speaker 9>in Dylan Dog with Brand Dead of Night? But wasn't

653
00:34:38.039 --> 00:34:40.519
<v Speaker 9>Sam Worthington one of those generic white guys from the

654
00:34:40.599 --> 00:34:41.559
<v Speaker 9>mid two thousands with.

655
00:34:41.480 --> 00:34:47.880
<v Speaker 2>All Sam Samington, Yeah, Jy Courtney Worthington, Sam Huntington was.

656
00:34:48.679 --> 00:34:51.760
<v Speaker 1>He was the Jungle to Jungle. He wasn't Dylan Dog Dead.

657
00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:54.199
<v Speaker 5>Oh Jesus, Okay, there you go.

658
00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:56.960
<v Speaker 1>That's the real Brandon rough kid that everybody wanted to

659
00:34:56.960 --> 00:34:59.639
<v Speaker 1>work on. Was Dylan Dog Dead of Knight? I was disappointed, Mike,

660
00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:02.280
<v Speaker 1>you didn't say that was your Brandon rap movie and choice.

661
00:35:02.360 --> 00:35:03.400
<v Speaker 2>I saw that in the theater.

662
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:07.599
<v Speaker 1>Jesus Christ, what theater do the one screening of the

663
00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:10.960
<v Speaker 1>one theater in the United States that showed the fucking movie.

664
00:35:11.039 --> 00:35:12.519
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, it just showed up. And then I

665
00:35:12.559 --> 00:35:14.800
<v Speaker 2>saw it in the paper, went well, that's wild.

666
00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:18.639
<v Speaker 5>He was so good and not another teen movie too.

667
00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:21.960
<v Speaker 5>That old scene with Gleason, the principal.

668
00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:26.679
<v Speaker 1>From The Breakfast Lub. Yeah, outside of Margo Kidder as

669
00:35:26.760 --> 00:35:29.440
<v Speaker 1>Lois Lane, I think this might be the best version

670
00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:32.719
<v Speaker 1>of the Daily Planet we've gotten in a while. If ever,

671
00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:35.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Laurence Fisherman was good, but again not given

672
00:35:35.559 --> 00:35:35.920
<v Speaker 1>enough to do.

673
00:35:36.719 --> 00:35:39.800
<v Speaker 2>I think it's fine. It's as good as any Daily

674
00:35:39.800 --> 00:35:42.159
<v Speaker 2>Plan on. Ultimately, how much time do we really want

675
00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:45.119
<v Speaker 2>to spend in the Daily Planet in any Superman unless

676
00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:47.159
<v Speaker 2>it's Lois and Clark and were supposed to be spending

677
00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:50.760
<v Speaker 2>time at the Daily Planet as long as everyone's kind

678
00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:53.599
<v Speaker 2>of cool and doing their job and everything like great,

679
00:35:53.719 --> 00:35:56.679
<v Speaker 2>but like, let's get out of the Daily Planet. We'll

680
00:35:56.719 --> 00:35:57.760
<v Speaker 2>see what they're reporting on.

681
00:35:58.519 --> 00:36:01.320
<v Speaker 1>Give James Gunn the opportunity to make Daily Planet TV show.

682
00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:04.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, he's champing at the bit. He just wants it.

683
00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:05.239
<v Speaker 1>Give me more, give me more.

684
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:07.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, you're probably right, they probably will get that.

685
00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:10.519
<v Speaker 1>Actually, here's the question though, like is any of that

686
00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:11.320
<v Speaker 1>a bad thing?

687
00:36:11.880 --> 00:36:12.559
<v Speaker 2>No?

688
00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:14.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know. You don't want to have another

689
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:17.320
<v Speaker 1>MCU scenario where it's like you gotta watch all the

690
00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:20.039
<v Speaker 1>stuff to understand the movies. And I don't think James

691
00:36:20.119 --> 00:36:23.320
<v Speaker 1>Gunn would do that. But that is another concern, is

692
00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:26.000
<v Speaker 1>that huge casting of the net and expecting everybody to

693
00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:28.079
<v Speaker 1>get on board. But then it's like, yo, I don't

694
00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:30.440
<v Speaker 1>want to have to watch four shows to appreciate.

695
00:36:29.960 --> 00:36:30.639
<v Speaker 2>Your next movie.

696
00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:33.800
<v Speaker 1>That's not okay. For like a tad again, we might

697
00:36:33.800 --> 00:36:36.280
<v Speaker 1>be able to do that, but for casual fans, that's not.

698
00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:39.039
<v Speaker 1>That's not a thing that I think should be the norm.

699
00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:42.239
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think even Marvel has learned that lesson. I imagine

700
00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:44.480
<v Speaker 2>they're gonna start backing way the fuck off now with

701
00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:45.639
<v Speaker 2>the you mean.

702
00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:48.559
<v Speaker 1>Moonnight's not gonna be an Avenger's doomsday.

703
00:36:48.800 --> 00:36:51.519
<v Speaker 5>Speaking of lessons from Marvel, I was really glad that

704
00:36:51.559 --> 00:36:54.599
<v Speaker 5>the post credit sequences had nothing to set up the

705
00:36:54.639 --> 00:36:59.079
<v Speaker 5>next movies, unless, like the unevenness of the building has

706
00:36:59.079 --> 00:37:01.679
<v Speaker 5>something to do with it. No, I don't think so.

707
00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:05.440
<v Speaker 5>They're just having a conversation. So I was really glad

708
00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:09.480
<v Speaker 5>that it wasn't Oh, and here's how we're gonna reboot Batman,

709
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:13.159
<v Speaker 5>or here's an email with logos for Aquaman.

710
00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:16.519
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's a low blow, Mike, Come on? Could you?

711
00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:21.199
<v Speaker 1>How could you? It's so fun to laugh again, isn't

712
00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:22.960
<v Speaker 1>it now that we can make fun of their pain

713
00:37:23.440 --> 00:37:25.760
<v Speaker 1>because it came full circle. They got what they wanted,

714
00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:27.800
<v Speaker 1>it stuck, and now they're back in their idiot holes

715
00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:28.480
<v Speaker 1>where they belong.

716
00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:31.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm hoping. I've been hoping for the success of

717
00:37:31.719 --> 00:37:33.519
<v Speaker 2>this movie just to shut them the fuck up. Like

718
00:37:33.559 --> 00:37:35.719
<v Speaker 2>I didn't agree. I didn't really care what we got

719
00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:38.760
<v Speaker 2>as long as it was as far from the dour,

720
00:37:39.039 --> 00:37:46.360
<v Speaker 2>fucking bleak, just muddy looking, like uninteresting, Like these are

721
00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:49.559
<v Speaker 2>gods and we're witnessing these gods battling each other.

722
00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:53.239
<v Speaker 1>That's when they don't have any good dialogue, No kaal

723
00:37:53.239 --> 00:37:55.480
<v Speaker 1>el or whatever the fuck galgad does it.

724
00:37:56.599 --> 00:37:58.639
<v Speaker 2>At this point, the character is gonna shoot lightning. What

725
00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:00.360
<v Speaker 2>do you think on the soundtrack? Do you think we

726
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:00.920
<v Speaker 2>can get that?

727
00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:03.960
<v Speaker 1>What a boner that guy had for needle drops? Just

728
00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:06.480
<v Speaker 1>like I have the budget of a god, so I

729
00:38:06.519 --> 00:38:09.679
<v Speaker 1>could just be a fucking child with my needle drops.

730
00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:12.239
<v Speaker 1>That's the thing in this movie. For all of James

731
00:38:12.239 --> 00:38:14.840
<v Speaker 1>Gunn's needle droppiness in the past, I feel like he

732
00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:16.280
<v Speaker 1>contains himself here.

733
00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:20.760
<v Speaker 5>I was absolutely shocked. Now he does love to have

734
00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:24.480
<v Speaker 5>those montages of the hero kicking ass.

735
00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:26.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, one shot is the fake it.

736
00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:29.719
<v Speaker 5>And you know, it's very yon due with the Arrow

737
00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:32.719
<v Speaker 5>and Guardians. What was that Guardians too? Right when it's

738
00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:35.599
<v Speaker 5>zipping all around and killing Taser Face and all those guys.

739
00:38:35.800 --> 00:38:37.679
<v Speaker 5>That reminded me of that quite a bit. But yeah,

740
00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:40.320
<v Speaker 5>not the needle drops that we had, though. I had

741
00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:42.920
<v Speaker 5>to say that Lois and Clark's theme every time that

742
00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:46.880
<v Speaker 5>they would get together and have like their little romantic moment.

743
00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:50.719
<v Speaker 5>I was just like, this music sounds a lot like

744
00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:54.880
<v Speaker 5>Three Doors Down Kryptonite. Just in need guitar coming in,

745
00:38:55.039 --> 00:38:57.639
<v Speaker 5>I was just like, Okay. For a minute, I was like,

746
00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:00.880
<v Speaker 5>is this five for fighting super and it's not easy?

747
00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:03.840
<v Speaker 5>Or is this three Doors Down Kryptonite? And finally I

748
00:39:03.880 --> 00:39:06.519
<v Speaker 5>was like, no, no, this is Kryptonite. But I was like,

749
00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:08.239
<v Speaker 5>that can't be a coincident.

750
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:39.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, I'm sure.

751
00:39:39.880 --> 00:39:42.599
<v Speaker 1>I loved it though, as a child of the nineties

752
00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:45.239
<v Speaker 1>who grew up listening to that music, yeah, part of

753
00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:48.639
<v Speaker 1>me was secretly hoping that the movie would end original

754
00:39:48.679 --> 00:39:53.159
<v Speaker 1>Spider Man style with like with a Superman or kryptinie

755
00:39:53.159 --> 00:39:54.880
<v Speaker 1>one of the two. Like I was just like, they're

756
00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:57.239
<v Speaker 1>gonna do it right, Like what James Gun's not going

757
00:39:57.280 --> 00:39:59.360
<v Speaker 1>to miss his opportunity and he didn't do it. I

758
00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:01.280
<v Speaker 1>was kind of surprise, Oh, I.

759
00:40:01.239 --> 00:40:04.039
<v Speaker 5>Know, or that ram cover of Superman. You know I

760
00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:05.840
<v Speaker 5>am I Am Superman.

761
00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:09.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, yes, No, he totally restrained himself. He ended

762
00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:12.880
<v Speaker 2>with fucking Teddy Bears punk Rocker, which is as obscure

763
00:40:12.880 --> 00:40:15.320
<v Speaker 2>a fucking track as you can possibly get. I mean,

764
00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:17.679
<v Speaker 2>I know it's iggy Pop on the fucking vocal, but like,

765
00:40:18.679 --> 00:40:20.559
<v Speaker 2>good for him, and that was beautiful, by the way.

766
00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:22.519
<v Speaker 2>I think James Gunn is a good writer as far

767
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:25.480
<v Speaker 2>as themes go. I think he's top of the pops

768
00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:27.559
<v Speaker 2>there when it comes to the themes in his movies

769
00:40:27.639 --> 00:40:29.880
<v Speaker 2>and setting them up and paying them off. I don't

770
00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:32.719
<v Speaker 2>know that he knows plot necessarily. I think his jokes

771
00:40:32.719 --> 00:40:37.320
<v Speaker 2>are generally corny and stale. But I loved the circularity

772
00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:42.880
<v Speaker 2>of a broken and beaten Superman being soothed by video

773
00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:46.679
<v Speaker 2>of his parents and it's jo l and his mom,

774
00:40:46.880 --> 00:40:50.000
<v Speaker 2>and then at the end they're soothing him with pictures

775
00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:52.360
<v Speaker 2>of mon pop Kent. I loved that. That made me

776
00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:55.239
<v Speaker 2>fucking cry when that started happening, And that was the

777
00:40:55.280 --> 00:40:57.800
<v Speaker 2>only earned moment of me crying in this movie. Because

778
00:40:57.880 --> 00:41:00.519
<v Speaker 2>he tried a few times and he did not. There

779
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:03.559
<v Speaker 2>are a couple of unearned sort of crowd pleasing moments.

780
00:41:03.599 --> 00:41:06.000
<v Speaker 2>I thought, like at the start of the war, when

781
00:41:06.039 --> 00:41:09.639
<v Speaker 2>the little kids are hefting the fucking Superman flag, It's

782
00:41:09.719 --> 00:41:12.559
<v Speaker 2>like we just dropped into this scene. We're just meeting

783
00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:15.639
<v Speaker 2>these people. You cannot expect me to stand up in

784
00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:18.360
<v Speaker 2>a plot right now. I can't cheer you right now, James,

785
00:41:18.679 --> 00:41:21.119
<v Speaker 2>this is coming out of nowhere. There's so many plots

786
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:23.760
<v Speaker 2>and so many different fucking threads going on that how

787
00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:25.840
<v Speaker 2>am I supposed to be invested at all here? But

788
00:41:25.880 --> 00:41:28.760
<v Speaker 2>he definitely wanted us to correct when it.

789
00:41:28.719 --> 00:41:31.199
<v Speaker 5>Comes to war. I mean, is that how we fight wars?

790
00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:32.719
<v Speaker 5>As a bunch of people on one side of a

791
00:41:32.800 --> 00:41:34.400
<v Speaker 5>hill and a bunch of people on another side of

792
00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:35.760
<v Speaker 5>the hill? Modern warfare?

793
00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:38.880
<v Speaker 1>He also said, spill all the blood, Like we do

794
00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:44.199
<v Speaker 1>know that people will just indeterminately kill civilions. So why

795
00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:46.800
<v Speaker 1>is that not the Oh, because Superman can't stop all

796
00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:49.800
<v Speaker 1>of that at once. Because that's the problem with this

797
00:41:50.119 --> 00:41:53.960
<v Speaker 1>as the threat of the movie is it somehow has

798
00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:57.480
<v Speaker 1>made a threat bigger than Superman. So Superman can never

799
00:41:57.559 --> 00:42:01.639
<v Speaker 1>get directly involved in that war, which is also kind

800
00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:04.519
<v Speaker 1>of a cop out on James Gun's part because he's

801
00:42:04.559 --> 00:42:07.760
<v Speaker 1>involved in the backhand, behind the scenes goings on. But

802
00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:10.719
<v Speaker 1>because there's no way Superman could stick his finger in

803
00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:13.840
<v Speaker 1>every barrel of every gun fast and upper catch every bullet.

804
00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:17.320
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't matter. And that's why it's fought that way,

805
00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:19.920
<v Speaker 1>because it makes no sense. It literally makes no sense.

806
00:42:19.960 --> 00:42:23.079
<v Speaker 1>It's a complete contrivance. And it like furthers that this

807
00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:24.840
<v Speaker 1>movie just in my mind, like the plot of this

808
00:42:24.920 --> 00:42:28.039
<v Speaker 1>movie is just a mess. Is these like huge logical

809
00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:30.119
<v Speaker 1>holes that aren't even plot holes. It's just like a

810
00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:32.039
<v Speaker 1>logical hole that makes no sense.

811
00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:35.599
<v Speaker 5>And I really liked it well, And that's been the

812
00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:38.000
<v Speaker 5>complaint about Superman for the longest time. It's like, would

813
00:42:38.039 --> 00:42:41.159
<v Speaker 5>he stop every war? Would he stop every murder? Like

814
00:42:41.239 --> 00:42:44.000
<v Speaker 5>could he ever sleep? You know, if he's so concerned

815
00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:48.280
<v Speaker 5>about human life and scorel life apparently, like would he

816
00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:51.719
<v Speaker 5>go out of his way to do this all the time?

817
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:55.559
<v Speaker 5>And so with this idea of him stopping a war,

818
00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:58.639
<v Speaker 5>and I like that appened off screen again kind of

819
00:42:58.639 --> 00:43:02.440
<v Speaker 5>going back to the beginning with that three millennia, three

820
00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:05.559
<v Speaker 5>hundred years, et cetera, et cetera. Three minutes ago he

821
00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:09.239
<v Speaker 5>was defeated by the Hammer of Borov or whatever this

822
00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:14.400
<v Speaker 5>place is. That's interesting to see Superman defeated. That's really interesting,

823
00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:17.280
<v Speaker 5>you know. And I'm glad it wasn't fucking Doomsday either,

824
00:43:17.480 --> 00:43:18.920
<v Speaker 5>thank you.

825
00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:20.280
<v Speaker 1>But it was just Superman.

826
00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:23.599
<v Speaker 5>It was just Superman, who I think will become like

827
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:26.400
<v Speaker 5>a Bizarro or something. And I know that this character

828
00:43:26.519 --> 00:43:29.679
<v Speaker 5>Ultraman exists in the comics, but I had no idea

829
00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:32.840
<v Speaker 5>until again, my friend explained to me what was going on.

830
00:43:33.199 --> 00:43:33.559
<v Speaker 7>I don't know.

831
00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:36.239
<v Speaker 5>I didn't do any homework for this one, guys. I'm sorry.

832
00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:39.159
<v Speaker 5>I just watched the movies. I didn't read all the comics,

833
00:43:39.159 --> 00:43:41.880
<v Speaker 5>watch all the movie, you know, the animated films, all

834
00:43:41.880 --> 00:43:43.599
<v Speaker 5>that kind of stuff. So I'm like, I don't know

835
00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:45.880
<v Speaker 5>who this guy is. I don't know, you know, what

836
00:43:46.360 --> 00:43:48.760
<v Speaker 5>the ins and outs and what have you of all

837
00:43:48.800 --> 00:43:51.079
<v Speaker 5>of these references that are going on. I feel like

838
00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:55.840
<v Speaker 5>I'm kind of done with that too. And it's more like, Okay,

839
00:43:55.840 --> 00:43:57.760
<v Speaker 5>I get the Marvel stuff just because it's what I

840
00:43:57.760 --> 00:43:59.920
<v Speaker 5>grew up, and I did not grow up a DC,

841
00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:02.559
<v Speaker 5>so I don't understand a lot of this stuff.

842
00:44:03.599 --> 00:44:06.280
<v Speaker 2>I was a DC kid until I was full on horror,

843
00:44:06.519 --> 00:44:09.480
<v Speaker 2>so I have some grounding in this. But as far

844
00:44:09.480 --> 00:44:11.639
<v Speaker 2>as any of the recent stuff like All Star Superman

845
00:44:11.840 --> 00:44:13.920
<v Speaker 2>or you know, like some of the stuff that James

846
00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:17.199
<v Speaker 2>Gun has been drawing on, no idea. But at the

847
00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:20.639
<v Speaker 2>same time, plenty of my friends who are still sort

848
00:44:20.679 --> 00:44:23.960
<v Speaker 2>of in the trenches reading Superman and reading DC have

849
00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:25.920
<v Speaker 2>assured me that like, oh yeah, he took this from

850
00:44:25.960 --> 00:44:27.960
<v Speaker 2>here and this from that, and this from this and

851
00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:31.239
<v Speaker 2>this from that, which is great because what that means

852
00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:33.239
<v Speaker 2>to me is we've got somebody in charge who's an

853
00:44:33.239 --> 00:44:35.679
<v Speaker 2>actual fucking comic book fan. At the end of the day,

854
00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:38.480
<v Speaker 2>whether or not the quality of it is good, you

855
00:44:38.559 --> 00:44:42.440
<v Speaker 2>at least know somebody's got the someone's minding the store

856
00:44:42.639 --> 00:44:45.119
<v Speaker 2>as far as the continuity with everything, even if they're

857
00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:47.199
<v Speaker 2>not pushing it on us, which he didn't seem to

858
00:44:47.239 --> 00:44:48.199
<v Speaker 2>do too heavy here.

859
00:44:48.639 --> 00:44:52.079
<v Speaker 1>Our friend Richard HadAM, who was the EP of Titans,

860
00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:57.960
<v Speaker 1>which was DCEU, I think he had mentioned that, you know,

861
00:44:58.000 --> 00:45:00.119
<v Speaker 1>some of the people in the writer's room for that

862
00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:03.119
<v Speaker 1>show weren't fans of comic books, and I think to

863
00:45:03.159 --> 00:45:05.639
<v Speaker 1>your point, Father Malone, like there needs to be a balance.

864
00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:09.159
<v Speaker 1>There needs to be people that do love the comic

865
00:45:09.199 --> 00:45:14.039
<v Speaker 1>books and are like you know, like completely just involved

866
00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:16.880
<v Speaker 1>in the lore and they can tell the a front

867
00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:18.920
<v Speaker 1>to back, but then you do need other people to

868
00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:23.000
<v Speaker 1>temper that with some kind of other expectations of things

869
00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:26.519
<v Speaker 1>for the commonplace person to watch a show and engage

870
00:45:26.519 --> 00:45:28.840
<v Speaker 1>with it, because you can't make a movie or a

871
00:45:28.840 --> 00:45:33.000
<v Speaker 1>TV show like this and alienate large swaths of the audience. Frankly,

872
00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:35.480
<v Speaker 1>they're making this movie the way that they made it

873
00:45:35.519 --> 00:45:38.119
<v Speaker 1>to try and not alienate the audience. That was the

874
00:45:38.119 --> 00:45:40.039
<v Speaker 1>intent of this is to bring in as many people

875
00:45:40.039 --> 00:45:42.559
<v Speaker 1>as possible and to treat the audience like they're not

876
00:45:42.599 --> 00:45:44.960
<v Speaker 1>fucking idiots for ones. I mean again, we don't need

877
00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:49.199
<v Speaker 1>an origin story for effectively. And this is the crazy part.

878
00:45:49.360 --> 00:45:52.400
<v Speaker 1>The second most popular superhero because the first most popular

879
00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:56.079
<v Speaker 1>superhero is spider Man. It ain't Superman. Spider Man is

880
00:45:56.079 --> 00:46:00.599
<v Speaker 1>the most popular superhero period. Superman's probably second, maybe third,

881
00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:02.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but Spider Man's the number one, which

882
00:46:02.360 --> 00:46:04.800
<v Speaker 1>is why they didn't do Spider Man's origin story either.

883
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:08.199
<v Speaker 1>But that then leaves a problem of if you're not

884
00:46:08.199 --> 00:46:10.679
<v Speaker 1>gonna do the origin story, what do you do? And

885
00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:14.400
<v Speaker 1>to your point, Father Malone about All Star Superman, the

886
00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:19.000
<v Speaker 1>tone of this movie is all star Superman like, maybe

887
00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:22.440
<v Speaker 1>not identical, but I'm sure your friends who read it

888
00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:24.960
<v Speaker 1>a lot. The tone of this movie is very much

889
00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:30.159
<v Speaker 1>in that ballpark, and it's very elevated, not futuristic, but

890
00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:33.119
<v Speaker 1>kind of like in this weird like elevated futurism. But

891
00:46:33.159 --> 00:46:36.000
<v Speaker 1>then the tone of Superman and Superman's a little weaker.

892
00:46:36.360 --> 00:46:39.239
<v Speaker 1>He's more of a human, less of an alien, which

893
00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:41.519
<v Speaker 1>again this movie is kind of part of it is

894
00:46:41.679 --> 00:46:44.400
<v Speaker 1>showing that this is a not weaker Superman, but a

895
00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:48.199
<v Speaker 1>less strong Superman, which is more interesting because again, like

896
00:46:48.239 --> 00:46:50.360
<v Speaker 1>we've already all alluded to, what do you do with

897
00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:52.440
<v Speaker 1>the character that can do everything? Theoretically?

898
00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:55.760
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that becomes a problem. That becomes your first season

899
00:46:55.760 --> 00:46:59.039
<v Speaker 5>of Heroes where you've got the Skyler and the Peter

900
00:46:59.119 --> 00:47:02.920
<v Speaker 5>Petrelli and they basically are invincible, and you have no

901
00:47:03.000 --> 00:47:05.440
<v Speaker 5>way of ending that, just like what the hell we're

902
00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:07.679
<v Speaker 5>going to do? And then we just have to kind

903
00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:09.960
<v Speaker 5>of look the other way for the rest of the series.

904
00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:12.760
<v Speaker 5>And it's like, Okay, that is a problem, having an

905
00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:17.599
<v Speaker 5>ultra powered person who only has one weakness and you

906
00:47:17.679 --> 00:47:20.159
<v Speaker 5>have to find that excuse to get that weakness. Now,

907
00:47:20.199 --> 00:47:22.920
<v Speaker 5>I did like how they had the kryptonite in this.

908
00:47:23.559 --> 00:47:26.199
<v Speaker 5>I'm not sure if I really cared for the whole

909
00:47:26.280 --> 00:47:28.880
<v Speaker 5>Martian baby, who I kept thinking was like a young

910
00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:31.840
<v Speaker 5>brainiac from the look of him. And then what did

911
00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:34.800
<v Speaker 5>they just hire a guy to sit in that cage

912
00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:37.400
<v Speaker 5>with the baby and like wave his arm whenever he

913
00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:37.880
<v Speaker 5>needed to.

914
00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:40.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I kept thinking like, I can't wait. I would

915
00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:42.320
<v Speaker 2>like to jump ahead in time and see that kid

916
00:47:42.320 --> 00:47:44.360
<v Speaker 2>at like ten and the guy's still there, but like

917
00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:46.719
<v Speaker 2>they're friends now, and across the cube they're waving to

918
00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:50.400
<v Speaker 2>dad and Superman still like withered it on the ground, gasping,

919
00:47:50.440 --> 00:47:52.440
<v Speaker 2>but like giving a thumbs up for Oh, the kids

920
00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:54.239
<v Speaker 2>really really made an achievement there.

921
00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:55.960
<v Speaker 5>I'm homeschooling him now.

922
00:47:56.440 --> 00:47:58.800
<v Speaker 1>Thank you for that bottom moon. I thought the same thing.

923
00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:01.920
<v Speaker 1>I was like, how fucking can ted It's saying like

924
00:48:01.960 --> 00:48:05.039
<v Speaker 1>this is the most contrived way of keeping Superman hostage,

925
00:48:05.719 --> 00:48:07.639
<v Speaker 1>so unbelievably contrived.

926
00:48:07.960 --> 00:48:10.519
<v Speaker 5>I like the whole idea of this prison, this private

927
00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:12.840
<v Speaker 5>prison that he has in his pocket universe with all

928
00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:15.679
<v Speaker 5>of the people that wronged him in some way, but

929
00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:17.559
<v Speaker 5>I kind of wish that there had been more of

930
00:48:17.599 --> 00:48:20.559
<v Speaker 5>it and more of who are these people? In these

931
00:48:20.599 --> 00:48:23.639
<v Speaker 5>other boxes, just even just like quick one liner kind

932
00:48:23.679 --> 00:48:26.239
<v Speaker 5>of things of like who these folks are? The whole

933
00:48:26.280 --> 00:48:30.079
<v Speaker 5>thing of them grabbing that poor guy that gave Superman

934
00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:33.320
<v Speaker 5>a fullaful and shooting him. I was like, what are

935
00:48:33.320 --> 00:48:35.599
<v Speaker 5>we doing here? Like when they face recognize this guy,

936
00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:37.840
<v Speaker 5>I was like, is he like a fucking terrorist or

937
00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:40.480
<v Speaker 5>something like? Why is he so important to this story?

938
00:48:40.840 --> 00:48:43.280
<v Speaker 5>Only for him to come back and get shot in

939
00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:47.280
<v Speaker 5>the head for a guess giving Superman solace And I'm like,

940
00:48:47.440 --> 00:48:49.920
<v Speaker 5>you're gonna start there, why don't you start with a

941
00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:51.679
<v Speaker 5>much bigger target.

942
00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:54.360
<v Speaker 2>I think he was hoping that Superman wouldn't give it

943
00:48:54.440 --> 00:48:55.920
<v Speaker 2>up and that he would get to kill him and

944
00:48:55.960 --> 00:48:58.559
<v Speaker 2>then everyone in the in the surrounding cubes would be

945
00:48:58.599 --> 00:49:01.840
<v Speaker 2>reminded exactly how stirs Lex Luthor was. I think that

946
00:49:01.880 --> 00:49:03.960
<v Speaker 2>man whoever was coming with him was going to die

947
00:49:03.960 --> 00:49:07.840
<v Speaker 2>and he didn't want information then anyway, that was fucked up.

948
00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:10.400
<v Speaker 2>This is the only time I've ever found Lex Luthor

949
00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:15.239
<v Speaker 2>to be formidable and frightening. I've liked the other performances.

950
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:20.519
<v Speaker 5>Wait, you mean him eating Jolly ranchers and flipping people

951
00:49:20.559 --> 00:49:23.519
<v Speaker 5>in the head and going the bell cannot be unwrung

952
00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:26.559
<v Speaker 5>ding ding ding ding ding. That wasn't doing it.

953
00:49:26.480 --> 00:49:31.800
<v Speaker 2>For you, That sadly did not, nor did fellow creep

954
00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:36.440
<v Speaker 2>azoid Kevin Spacey sleezing it up through that fucking horrendous movie.

955
00:49:36.719 --> 00:49:40.119
<v Speaker 1>The good reaction it really is. Superman will never.

956
00:49:41.840 --> 00:49:44.800
<v Speaker 5>That stupid little Adam Rich looking kid, oh.

957
00:49:45.159 --> 00:49:46.280
<v Speaker 1>Him and his bald cap.

958
00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:51.840
<v Speaker 2>At least Nicholas Holt shaved his head like Rosenbaum before him.

959
00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:54.719
<v Speaker 2>There are really only two excellent portrayals of Lex Luthor.

960
00:49:54.760 --> 00:49:58.039
<v Speaker 2>That's Michael Rosenbaum and now Nicholas Holt. In opinion, everybody

961
00:49:58.119 --> 00:50:01.760
<v Speaker 2>loves fucking Ian Hackman and that he was great for

962
00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:03.920
<v Speaker 2>that time, but you know he's okay.

963
00:50:03.960 --> 00:50:05.840
<v Speaker 1>What about John Cryer as Lex Luthor?

964
00:50:06.360 --> 00:50:06.960
<v Speaker 2>He was okay?

965
00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:09.719
<v Speaker 5>What about John Cryer as Lex Luthor's nephew?

966
00:50:10.679 --> 00:50:13.239
<v Speaker 2>What about it the dude of Steele?

967
00:50:13.840 --> 00:50:14.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

968
00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:15.199
<v Speaker 5>I think that was awesome.

969
00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:18.280
<v Speaker 1>The real question is why wasn't there a some sort

970
00:50:18.320 --> 00:50:20.719
<v Speaker 1>of cameo or nod back to Richard What is it

971
00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:23.159
<v Speaker 1>Richard Pryor in the fourth one? Oh?

972
00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:23.400
<v Speaker 7>Good?

973
00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:24.000
<v Speaker 5>Third one?

974
00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:28.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, third one? Gus Jesus Richard Pryor. Everybody can't find

975
00:50:28.639 --> 00:50:30.199
<v Speaker 1>a good movie role to save his life.

976
00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:33.519
<v Speaker 5>We've gone down some bad paths with Superman just in

977
00:50:33.599 --> 00:50:34.920
<v Speaker 5>those first four.

978
00:50:35.719 --> 00:50:38.079
<v Speaker 1>That's the thing, Like people my age really only know

979
00:50:38.320 --> 00:50:42.199
<v Speaker 1>like about Snyder's stuff like those. I only watched the

980
00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:44.719
<v Speaker 1>first two Superman movies. I didn't watch three and four,

981
00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:47.800
<v Speaker 1>like I know they have a reputation, like I wasn't

982
00:50:48.199 --> 00:50:48.840
<v Speaker 1>interested in.

983
00:50:48.960 --> 00:50:52.119
<v Speaker 2>Part three has one good scene, which is Christopher Eve

984
00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:56.480
<v Speaker 2>separates himself between Clark Kent and a really grizzled and

985
00:50:56.679 --> 00:50:59.039
<v Speaker 2>angry Superman and they duke it out in a fucking

986
00:50:59.119 --> 00:51:02.960
<v Speaker 2>junkyard and it's awesome beginning to end. I'd watch it

987
00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:05.840
<v Speaker 2>for that, but nothing YouTube I will.

988
00:51:06.280 --> 00:51:08.239
<v Speaker 1>But my point being like people my age, I mean,

989
00:51:08.280 --> 00:51:11.119
<v Speaker 1>I know people that like Man of Steel an ironically

990
00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:15.239
<v Speaker 1>whit Jules. I know it's whatever, it's your choice. You

991
00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:18.880
<v Speaker 1>want to like dower and boring and bland and meaningless. Fine,

992
00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:22.079
<v Speaker 1>but I'm so glad that somebody has said, like Superman

993
00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:25.559
<v Speaker 1>can be a hopeful character again and not be just

994
00:51:26.679 --> 00:51:30.039
<v Speaker 1>kind of depressing and sad, because look, I mean, Captain

995
00:51:30.039 --> 00:51:33.199
<v Speaker 1>America is Superman, Superman's Captain America. That's like the kind

996
00:51:33.239 --> 00:51:36.800
<v Speaker 1>of analog to Marvel is. They're like they're all that

997
00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:40.320
<v Speaker 1>is good and everything, like Chris Evans as Captain America.

998
00:51:40.400 --> 00:51:43.360
<v Speaker 1>Like if you saw Chris Evans, if you were broken

999
00:51:43.360 --> 00:51:44.679
<v Speaker 1>down on the side of the road, and Chris Evans

1000
00:51:44.760 --> 00:51:47.159
<v Speaker 1>drove by at his motorcycle and didn't stop and help you,

1001
00:51:47.159 --> 00:51:50.920
<v Speaker 1>you'd be surprised because he's fucking Captain America and that's

1002
00:51:50.960 --> 00:51:54.199
<v Speaker 1>like what he stands for and as that role that

1003
00:51:54.199 --> 00:51:56.400
<v Speaker 1>he's taken on, Like that's kind of the expectation. Now,

1004
00:51:56.400 --> 00:51:59.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I'm glad that James Gunn brought that back

1005
00:51:59.519 --> 00:52:00.880
<v Speaker 1>to the character of Superman.

1006
00:52:01.400 --> 00:52:03.880
<v Speaker 2>I would expect Steve Rogers to stop for me. I'm

1007
00:52:03.880 --> 00:52:06.320
<v Speaker 2>not expecting Chris Evans to stop for anybody.

1008
00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:08.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, you know what I mean. Like, I'm

1009
00:52:08.719 --> 00:52:10.840
<v Speaker 1>not talking about the actual Chris Evans, but the concept

1010
00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:12.400
<v Speaker 1>of the character he's betraying. Fair.

1011
00:52:13.199 --> 00:52:16.079
<v Speaker 2>I will say this, I'm skeptical of every new actor

1012
00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:18.679
<v Speaker 2>that they cast as Superman, and it takes a lot

1013
00:52:18.719 --> 00:52:20.920
<v Speaker 2>to convince me if they're any good at all. And

1014
00:52:21.920 --> 00:52:24.800
<v Speaker 2>very early into this movie, I bought this guy hook

1015
00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:26.880
<v Speaker 2>line in the Sinker. In fact, this is what actually

1016
00:52:26.920 --> 00:52:30.360
<v Speaker 2>made me hopeful for it is that growing up, when

1017
00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:33.239
<v Speaker 2>I was five years old, we were given the gift

1018
00:52:33.280 --> 00:52:36.519
<v Speaker 2>of the perfect Superman in Christopher Reeve. It's just like

1019
00:52:36.559 --> 00:52:38.639
<v Speaker 2>he was grown in a lab, like they said, make

1020
00:52:38.679 --> 00:52:42.039
<v Speaker 2>a Superman and here he was. So Seeing this guy

1021
00:52:42.119 --> 00:52:45.440
<v Speaker 2>and how charming and thoughtful he is in this part

1022
00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:48.880
<v Speaker 2>made me really happy for kids coming into this character

1023
00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:51.320
<v Speaker 2>through this bit of entertainment.

1024
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:54.119
<v Speaker 1>And his interviews that he did for the movie where

1025
00:52:54.159 --> 00:52:57.599
<v Speaker 1>he talks about actually being excited to portray Superman and

1026
00:52:57.639 --> 00:53:00.639
<v Speaker 1>he's not bummed that might be the only he ever

1027
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:02.639
<v Speaker 1>has and that might be the role he's known for.

1028
00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:04.960
<v Speaker 1>Like again, I go back to Daniel Craig with the

1029
00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:07.760
<v Speaker 1>whole James Bond thing, Like Daniel Craig literally said I

1030
00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:09.840
<v Speaker 1>would slit my own wrists if they asked me to

1031
00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:13.639
<v Speaker 1>play James Bond again. And he said that before the last.

1032
00:53:13.519 --> 00:53:15.119
<v Speaker 2>Who gives a shit what the actor has to say?

1033
00:53:15.119 --> 00:53:17.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about kids fucking interacting with the character of

1034
00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:18.559
<v Speaker 2>Superman here.

1035
00:53:18.679 --> 00:53:21.239
<v Speaker 1>But that's my point. He is already a good arbiter

1036
00:53:21.320 --> 00:53:24.400
<v Speaker 1>for that because the way he approaches the role is

1037
00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:27.440
<v Speaker 1>I am excited to portray a role that will cause

1038
00:53:27.480 --> 00:53:29.559
<v Speaker 1>me to be hounded by kids.

1039
00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:33.000
<v Speaker 2>Do you think Daniel Craig's performance was lacking in the

1040
00:53:33.119 --> 00:53:36.320
<v Speaker 2>James Bond movies. For having said that, do you think

1041
00:53:36.400 --> 00:53:37.880
<v Speaker 2>he put in less of a performance?

1042
00:53:38.679 --> 00:53:40.719
<v Speaker 1>And the last movie, I would say there are moments

1043
00:53:40.719 --> 00:53:44.000
<v Speaker 1>where he seems disengaged and disinterested. But the last movie,

1044
00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:48.199
<v Speaker 1>the one that came after the statement no Time to Die,

1045
00:53:48.280 --> 00:53:50.239
<v Speaker 1>that would be the only time I would say I

1046
00:53:50.280 --> 00:53:52.440
<v Speaker 1>have other issues with those other James Bond movies. That

1047
00:53:52.519 --> 00:53:54.679
<v Speaker 1>last movie. Yes, there are moments in that movie where

1048
00:53:54.679 --> 00:53:58.480
<v Speaker 1>he seems disengaged and disinterested. And maybe that's not his fault,

1049
00:53:58.599 --> 00:54:00.960
<v Speaker 1>maybe that's the movie's fault. But I'm only viewing it

1050
00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:03.320
<v Speaker 1>through the lens of a person who recently just rewatched

1051
00:54:03.320 --> 00:54:06.239
<v Speaker 1>that movie even and I felt that through multiple scenes

1052
00:54:06.280 --> 00:54:09.599
<v Speaker 1>in that movie that he's not engaged. But again, that's

1053
00:54:09.679 --> 00:54:12.639
<v Speaker 1>five movies in, and he made his intentions clear to

1054
00:54:12.679 --> 00:54:14.400
<v Speaker 1>the people he was making the movie with, I don't

1055
00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:16.679
<v Speaker 1>want to do this again, and they were like, well,

1056
00:54:17.119 --> 00:54:19.079
<v Speaker 1>we want you to do it again, so here you go.

1057
00:54:19.480 --> 00:54:21.840
<v Speaker 1>So yes, but not as much as you might have

1058
00:54:21.920 --> 00:54:23.440
<v Speaker 1>thought given what my answer was.

1059
00:54:24.159 --> 00:54:26.400
<v Speaker 2>I agree with tired. I don't think he was disengaged.

1060
00:54:26.480 --> 00:54:27.559
<v Speaker 2>I think that's actually to you.

1061
00:54:28.400 --> 00:54:31.400
<v Speaker 5>I agree with you about Christopher Reeven. I've just amazed

1062
00:54:31.440 --> 00:54:33.760
<v Speaker 5>that we almost got Rich Hall instead.

1063
00:54:34.079 --> 00:54:35.960
<v Speaker 2>If he had just fucking practiced before that.

1064
00:54:36.119 --> 00:54:37.800
<v Speaker 5>Oh no, no, he got the bullet. He had a

1065
00:54:37.840 --> 00:54:39.079
<v Speaker 5>dial soap call back here.

1066
00:54:39.159 --> 00:54:41.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's right, it was Kroger who took the bullet

1067
00:54:41.480 --> 00:54:43.280
<v Speaker 2>in the face. That's good.

1068
00:54:43.480 --> 00:54:44.599
<v Speaker 5>That's so good, me too.

1069
00:54:44.639 --> 00:54:45.920
<v Speaker 2>It's one of the best of that era.

1070
00:54:46.679 --> 00:54:50.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't think Henry Cavill was a bad Superman. I

1071
00:54:50.960 --> 00:54:53.800
<v Speaker 1>just don't think those were good movies. I mean, again,

1072
00:54:53.840 --> 00:54:57.039
<v Speaker 1>my feelings on him being dour and all that aside,

1073
00:54:57.079 --> 00:55:00.440
<v Speaker 1>Like Denry Cavill was a great Superman. But again, those

1074
00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:04.639
<v Speaker 1>movies didn't help this movie. I think helps give the

1075
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:07.760
<v Speaker 1>character of Superman more for a certain like you said,

1076
00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:11.079
<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah, a certain age of audience to engage

1077
00:55:11.079 --> 00:55:13.920
<v Speaker 1>with the character in a positive way that will make

1078
00:55:14.079 --> 00:55:16.719
<v Speaker 1>kids re engage with Superman the way that they really

1079
00:55:16.760 --> 00:55:19.960
<v Speaker 1>haven't been again, like Marvel's stuff has really been how

1080
00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:22.360
<v Speaker 1>kids have engaged with superheroes for the longest time.

1081
00:55:23.159 --> 00:55:25.280
<v Speaker 2>If they were able to cast twenty five year old

1082
00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:28.360
<v Speaker 2>Henry Cavell in this role in this movie, he too

1083
00:55:28.400 --> 00:55:31.440
<v Speaker 2>would have given me the same fucking feeling. It's just

1084
00:55:31.519 --> 00:55:35.559
<v Speaker 2>that he drew the fucking short straw Man. He ended

1085
00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:36.920
<v Speaker 2>up in the wrong universe.

1086
00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:39.920
<v Speaker 5>Same thing with Brandon routh Man. I will defend Brandon

1087
00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:41.960
<v Speaker 5>routh to the day I die. I think he could

1088
00:55:41.960 --> 00:55:43.960
<v Speaker 5>have been a great Superman, but he was in a

1089
00:55:44.000 --> 00:55:46.119
<v Speaker 5>shit movie today.

1090
00:55:46.239 --> 00:55:50.039
<v Speaker 2>I think, really the only shitty Superman. This is nothing political.

1091
00:55:50.079 --> 00:55:52.639
<v Speaker 2>It's been Dean Kane, like he just seemed like a blunkhead.

1092
00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:54.679
<v Speaker 2>Are there others that weren't great?

1093
00:55:54.679 --> 00:55:57.760
<v Speaker 5>I mean yeah, I started watching that Superman TV show

1094
00:55:57.800 --> 00:56:00.639
<v Speaker 5>that they had a few months ago and and just

1095
00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:03.320
<v Speaker 5>really didn't get into it. Also, for whatever reason, my

1096
00:56:03.360 --> 00:56:05.840
<v Speaker 5>wife isn't into the character of Superman, and I think

1097
00:56:05.840 --> 00:56:08.639
<v Speaker 5>it really comes from this whole thing of he's too

1098
00:56:08.719 --> 00:56:12.559
<v Speaker 5>perfect and he only has the one weakness. He's people

1099
00:56:12.599 --> 00:56:16.000
<v Speaker 5>describe him as an overgrown boy scout and I can

1100
00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:19.119
<v Speaker 5>kind of see that, and she likes more of a

1101
00:56:19.159 --> 00:56:21.960
<v Speaker 5>flawed hero, I think, And for me, I'm like, Okay,

1102
00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:24.119
<v Speaker 5>I like this guy, and I like his struggles that

1103
00:56:24.159 --> 00:56:27.400
<v Speaker 5>he has even though he is so perfect.

1104
00:56:27.599 --> 00:56:31.360
<v Speaker 1>And Tom Welling is good in Smallville, but that's Clark Kent.

1105
00:56:31.519 --> 00:56:33.519
<v Speaker 1>I mean again, you want to talk about it being Superman, fine,

1106
00:56:33.519 --> 00:56:35.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean it is Superman, but it's.

1107
00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:37.519
<v Speaker 2>We never saw Tom Welling Superman, honestly.

1108
00:56:37.599 --> 00:56:37.679
<v Speaker 7>No.

1109
00:56:37.840 --> 00:56:39.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean you see the thing with John Cryer

1110
00:56:40.079 --> 00:56:42.519
<v Speaker 1>way later, but again then he's like, I've given my

1111
00:56:42.639 --> 00:56:45.000
<v Speaker 1>powers up and it's like, well, okay, fuck us.

1112
00:56:45.079 --> 00:56:48.320
<v Speaker 2>Then, so that shit didn't count. Rosenbaum wasn't there, so

1113
00:56:48.360 --> 00:56:50.079
<v Speaker 2>that fucking whole special did not count.

1114
00:56:50.119 --> 00:56:52.840
<v Speaker 1>That's true. And to your point, if Michael Rosenbaum gets

1115
00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:55.519
<v Speaker 1>mentioned in the conversation for Lex Luthor, which obviously he

1116
00:56:55.559 --> 00:56:58.920
<v Speaker 1>does because he's amazing, then I think Tom Welling gets

1117
00:56:58.920 --> 00:57:02.840
<v Speaker 1>mentioned for playing Klark Clark Ken, but I think for Superman, yeah,

1118
00:57:02.880 --> 00:57:06.760
<v Speaker 1>I think probably the least. I don't know that. Yeah,

1119
00:57:06.920 --> 00:57:08.519
<v Speaker 1>Dean Kain's not great.

1120
00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:11.960
<v Speaker 5>I remember watching some of that show just because Terry

1121
00:57:11.960 --> 00:57:15.800
<v Speaker 5>Hatcher was in it, and wasn't Mark Hamblin there as well?

1122
00:57:16.039 --> 00:57:18.199
<v Speaker 2>He was. You know, I actually had a friend who

1123
00:57:18.239 --> 00:57:20.920
<v Speaker 2>was cast on that show, Lucy Lane, so I got

1124
00:57:20.920 --> 00:57:22.800
<v Speaker 2>to go to some of the sort of early meetings

1125
00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:25.239
<v Speaker 2>for Lois and Clark, and even then you could tell

1126
00:57:25.679 --> 00:57:27.320
<v Speaker 2>Dean Kane was a fucking maron.

1127
00:57:27.800 --> 00:57:29.760
<v Speaker 1>But he was a great host of Ripley's believe it

1128
00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:32.599
<v Speaker 1>or not. And man, that's all you have just read

1129
00:57:32.639 --> 00:57:33.480
<v Speaker 1>off the teleprompter.

1130
00:57:33.639 --> 00:57:35.599
<v Speaker 2>Dean just look at him and go, no, I don't

1131
00:57:35.599 --> 00:57:36.119
<v Speaker 2>believe it.

1132
00:57:36.320 --> 00:57:40.440
<v Speaker 1>No, believe there. He's like the anti Jonathan Frakes. I

1133
00:57:40.480 --> 00:57:45.960
<v Speaker 1>am so hopeful for whatever comes next. And I don't

1134
00:57:46.039 --> 00:57:49.880
<v Speaker 1>think that any one of us would characterize our feelings

1135
00:57:49.920 --> 00:57:55.639
<v Speaker 1>as hopeful after Batman versus Superman Steel for that matter.

1136
00:57:55.719 --> 00:57:59.679
<v Speaker 2>After Man of Steel. No, not for a long long time.

1137
00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:02.320
<v Speaker 2>Nomadically have I been hopeful for the DC.

1138
00:58:03.199 --> 00:58:05.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's the DC broadly, even not just Superman.

1139
00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:10.039
<v Speaker 2>No man, that's what this is actually exciting now. And

1140
00:58:10.280 --> 00:58:13.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, look, I think there were problems with this script. Nevertheless,

1141
00:58:14.119 --> 00:58:17.199
<v Speaker 2>it was a completed script. And I know James Gunn

1142
00:58:17.199 --> 00:58:19.239
<v Speaker 2>has been banging the fucking drum that we're not making

1143
00:58:19.280 --> 00:58:20.840
<v Speaker 2>a movie until the movie's ready to go. We're not

1144
00:58:20.840 --> 00:58:22.760
<v Speaker 2>gonna start a fucking movie and go, we'll fucking write

1145
00:58:22.760 --> 00:58:25.719
<v Speaker 2>it on the way. Thank you for doing that, sir.

1146
00:58:26.400 --> 00:58:29.880
<v Speaker 2>No matter where we go from now, and the slate

1147
00:58:29.960 --> 00:58:33.519
<v Speaker 2>of ones that they've been green lighting have been unusual,

1148
00:58:33.519 --> 00:58:35.599
<v Speaker 2>to say the leadst So we're getting a clay Face

1149
00:58:35.679 --> 00:58:39.280
<v Speaker 2>movie long before we're getting a Batman movie. That's interesting.

1150
00:58:39.760 --> 00:58:42.840
<v Speaker 1>He's going to face rated our body horror movie. Mind

1151
00:58:42.880 --> 00:58:46.239
<v Speaker 1>you clarify that, because that's the fucking crazy part.

1152
00:58:46.559 --> 00:58:49.199
<v Speaker 2>Hey, man, right on, and you know what we're getting Karazorel.

1153
00:58:49.320 --> 00:58:51.719
<v Speaker 2>She's getting her own fucking movie. Obviously, it's her dog.

1154
00:58:51.880 --> 00:58:53.960
<v Speaker 2>So if you love that dog, go watch that one.

1155
00:58:54.000 --> 00:58:57.039
<v Speaker 2>You're gonna get a whole lot of that dog. And

1156
00:58:57.159 --> 00:59:00.920
<v Speaker 2>partnered up with Lobo. I love that. Someone, some filmmaker

1157
00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:05.159
<v Speaker 2>here at the DCU figured out that it is Superman

1158
00:59:05.280 --> 00:59:09.599
<v Speaker 2>is automatically a cosmic book. It's automatically a cosmic title.

1159
00:59:09.639 --> 00:59:11.760
<v Speaker 2>You can throw any alien at him. He is an

1160
00:59:11.760 --> 00:59:14.599
<v Speaker 2>alien himself. So yeah, let's get Lobo in here already.

1161
00:59:14.679 --> 00:59:16.199
<v Speaker 2>Let's you know, let's do it up.

1162
00:59:16.960 --> 00:59:19.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if Jason Momoa is poorly cast.

1163
00:59:20.320 --> 00:59:21.559
<v Speaker 2>He is not poorly cast.

1164
00:59:21.760 --> 00:59:24.519
<v Speaker 1>No, no, not for Lobo. I'm talking about for Aquaman previously,

1165
00:59:24.880 --> 00:59:28.440
<v Speaker 1>because this is a Chris Evans situation. Once again, having

1166
00:59:28.519 --> 00:59:31.320
<v Speaker 1>seen it again, you might laugh. Jason Momoa in the

1167
00:59:31.360 --> 00:59:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Minecraft movie was He was really good in the Minecraft movie,

1168
00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:38.840
<v Speaker 1>and the same way Dwayne Johnson was really good in Jumanji,

1169
00:59:39.199 --> 00:59:40.960
<v Speaker 1>where he was having to play like a very specific

1170
00:59:41.079 --> 00:59:43.440
<v Speaker 1>kind of character to react to a bunch of other characters.

1171
00:59:43.679 --> 00:59:45.840
<v Speaker 1>He was very funny in a way I hadn't seen

1172
00:59:45.920 --> 00:59:48.559
<v Speaker 1>before with Jason Momoa, because for the most part, I

1173
00:59:48.599 --> 00:59:52.480
<v Speaker 1>find Jason momoas what he brings to Aquaman. It's just fine.

1174
00:59:52.599 --> 00:59:56.239
<v Speaker 1>He's a surfer bro, we get it. I'm excited to

1175
00:59:56.280 --> 00:59:59.079
<v Speaker 1>see where they take that character with Ay engage Jason

1176
00:59:59.079 --> 01:00:03.639
<v Speaker 1>Momoa in that direction, leaning into who I think Jason

1177
01:00:03.639 --> 01:00:08.000
<v Speaker 1>Momoa probably is in real life, because apparently Jason Momoa

1178
01:00:08.079 --> 01:00:11.519
<v Speaker 1>just texted James Gunn like immediately once it was announced

1179
01:00:11.519 --> 01:00:14.679
<v Speaker 1>that James Gunn was taking over the DCU, and he

1180
01:00:14.719 --> 01:00:18.039
<v Speaker 1>was like, I'm playing Lobo like essentially more or less

1181
01:00:18.079 --> 01:00:22.679
<v Speaker 1>was the interaction. So I can't wait for that personally

1182
01:00:22.760 --> 01:00:24.639
<v Speaker 1>at this point.

1183
01:00:24.119 --> 01:00:26.840
<v Speaker 5>I'm here for it. I'm here for what gun brings

1184
01:00:26.880 --> 01:00:29.679
<v Speaker 5>to this party. I'm excited to see what else he's

1185
01:00:29.719 --> 01:00:32.079
<v Speaker 5>going to be doing, and I'm glad that we're getting

1186
01:00:32.119 --> 01:00:35.000
<v Speaker 5>some of these unusual things. I mean, the whole thing

1187
01:00:35.119 --> 01:00:37.280
<v Speaker 5>going all the way back to Guardians of the Galaxy.

1188
01:00:38.079 --> 01:00:39.880
<v Speaker 5>So many of these characters, i mean, just look at

1189
01:00:39.880 --> 01:00:43.320
<v Speaker 5>the Galaxy themselves weren't known to a lot of people,

1190
01:00:43.760 --> 01:00:45.599
<v Speaker 5>and he just kind of had free reign when it

1191
01:00:45.599 --> 01:00:47.880
<v Speaker 5>came to this new toy box that he had. It

1192
01:00:48.000 --> 01:00:51.559
<v Speaker 5>was fantastic. Now, the second and third movies maybe not

1193
01:00:51.679 --> 01:00:53.960
<v Speaker 5>my favorite, but that first one I thought was great.

1194
01:00:54.199 --> 01:00:57.119
<v Speaker 5>And I hope this is not a case of diminishing

1195
01:00:57.159 --> 01:00:59.880
<v Speaker 5>returns as we go forward with the rest of these

1196
01:01:00.119 --> 01:01:03.480
<v Speaker 5>DCU movies. But I'm still excited right now. I want

1197
01:01:03.519 --> 01:01:05.440
<v Speaker 5>to see what else this guy does for us.

1198
01:01:06.079 --> 01:01:10.119
<v Speaker 1>And I've seen people talking about the Supergirl cameo at

1199
01:01:10.119 --> 01:01:12.119
<v Speaker 1>the end of the movie and how it's kind of

1200
01:01:12.159 --> 01:01:15.559
<v Speaker 1>strange and tonally and consistent with the rest of the movie. Okay,

1201
01:01:16.440 --> 01:01:19.159
<v Speaker 1>then that movie doesn't have to be this movie, and

1202
01:01:19.239 --> 01:01:21.440
<v Speaker 1>she's clearly going to be a very different kind of character,

1203
01:01:21.480 --> 01:01:24.559
<v Speaker 1>which is fine. I really like Millie Alikock too from

1204
01:01:24.599 --> 01:01:27.079
<v Speaker 1>Game of Thrones, How's of the Dragon. She was fantastic,

1205
01:01:27.159 --> 01:01:30.159
<v Speaker 1>So if she's the one playing Supergirl, I'm all for it.

1206
01:01:30.199 --> 01:01:32.239
<v Speaker 1>But I've seen people complaining it's like, you know, the

1207
01:01:32.320 --> 01:01:34.320
<v Speaker 1>thing that I'm most excited for is it seems that

1208
01:01:34.400 --> 01:01:36.519
<v Speaker 1>James Gunn is actually going to do what Marvel didn't

1209
01:01:36.559 --> 01:01:39.599
<v Speaker 1>do and let the movies be their own fucking things,

1210
01:01:39.960 --> 01:01:41.960
<v Speaker 1>which is fine because they don't all have to be

1211
01:01:42.159 --> 01:01:46.320
<v Speaker 1>Joss Whedon beat joke in front of a serious moment,

1212
01:01:46.400 --> 01:01:48.639
<v Speaker 1>because that's what all the Marvel movies have become now

1213
01:01:48.679 --> 01:01:51.679
<v Speaker 1>were like tonally, they're all Joss Whedon movies, and that

1214
01:01:51.719 --> 01:01:54.599
<v Speaker 1>should never have been the case because Marvel, like DC,

1215
01:01:55.119 --> 01:01:57.920
<v Speaker 1>has a wide and diverse array of characters like Father

1216
01:01:57.960 --> 01:02:01.159
<v Speaker 1>Malone already alluded to Clayface and a woman who's a

1217
01:02:01.199 --> 01:02:03.840
<v Speaker 1>hawk and an alien who can read people's minds and

1218
01:02:04.199 --> 01:02:07.119
<v Speaker 1>all sorts of wild shit. They don't all need to

1219
01:02:07.159 --> 01:02:10.559
<v Speaker 1>be tonally the same. And I'm glad that James Gunn

1220
01:02:10.559 --> 01:02:13.920
<v Speaker 1>is seemingly allowing the filmmakers who are getting involved in

1221
01:02:14.039 --> 01:02:16.079
<v Speaker 1>the project that he is working on to have their

1222
01:02:16.119 --> 01:02:20.320
<v Speaker 1>own voice, which Marvel took like twenty plus movies to do,

1223
01:02:20.719 --> 01:02:23.800
<v Speaker 1>because yes, they cast Kenneth Bronna as the director of

1224
01:02:23.840 --> 01:02:26.039
<v Speaker 1>the original Thor, but I say cast is the director

1225
01:02:26.039 --> 01:02:29.119
<v Speaker 1>because Kenneth Broanna's talents were not being put to good

1226
01:02:29.239 --> 01:02:32.599
<v Speaker 1>use in early Marvel stuff because they were not letting

1227
01:02:32.639 --> 01:02:35.719
<v Speaker 1>anybody do anything. And I understand why, But I'm glad

1228
01:02:35.760 --> 01:02:38.639
<v Speaker 1>that DC and James Gunn are being given a little

1229
01:02:38.639 --> 01:02:40.559
<v Speaker 1>bit more free reign to do their own thing, because

1230
01:02:40.599 --> 01:02:44.360
<v Speaker 1>I think that should yield a much more interesting set

1231
01:02:44.400 --> 01:02:46.280
<v Speaker 1>of films moving forward.

1232
01:02:46.480 --> 01:02:48.519
<v Speaker 5>I want to thank my co host Chris and Father Alone,

1233
01:02:48.599 --> 01:02:50.400
<v Speaker 5>so FM, what is the latest with you?

1234
01:02:50.519 --> 01:02:54.440
<v Speaker 2>Sir? Check me out at Midnight Viewing. It's a twice

1235
01:02:54.480 --> 01:02:56.559
<v Speaker 2>a week show. It's a horror show, but we veer

1236
01:02:56.639 --> 01:02:59.039
<v Speaker 2>off into other genres and stuff. There's Father Malone's Weekly

1237
01:02:59.119 --> 01:03:02.039
<v Speaker 2>round Up on Monday that's sort of a new release

1238
01:03:02.199 --> 01:03:05.320
<v Speaker 2>streaming and in theaters show. And then every Friday we

1239
01:03:05.360 --> 01:03:07.639
<v Speaker 2>have a rotating show where we look at horror anthologies

1240
01:03:07.639 --> 01:03:10.239
<v Speaker 2>of all varieties, including our Tales from the dark Side

1241
01:03:10.280 --> 01:03:12.880
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01:03:12.920 --> 01:03:15.280
<v Speaker 2>us out over there for Patreon dot com, slash Follo,

1243
01:03:15.320 --> 01:03:17.960
<v Speaker 2>them Alone and Chris, what is happening with you? Hot stuff?

1244
01:03:18.440 --> 01:03:21.519
<v Speaker 1>Everything that you want to hear that my voice is

1245
01:03:21.559 --> 01:03:24.440
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1246
01:03:24.880 --> 01:03:26.679
<v Speaker 1>taking a little bit of a sabbatical on that show,

1247
01:03:26.800 --> 01:03:29.599
<v Speaker 1>retouling it and doing something different with it moving forward.

1248
01:03:29.679 --> 01:03:31.599
<v Speaker 1>So it's taken a little bit of a moment, but

1249
01:03:31.679 --> 01:03:34.519
<v Speaker 1>you can listen to six hundred plus episodes of that show,

1250
01:03:34.599 --> 01:03:38.920
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1251
01:03:38.920 --> 01:03:41.639
<v Speaker 1>Midnight Viewing, plenty of things that we're not on like

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<v Speaker 1>twisted in on corked or ADCD ladies or fomentaries or

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<v Speaker 1>all kinds.

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<v Speaker 2>Noise junkies or night mister Walter's.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, two things that HP does on his zone now

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<v Speaker 1>or I guess he does taxi with you, but he

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<v Speaker 1>does noise junkies on his own. And if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to contribute financially, Patreon dot com slash Culture Cast where

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<v Speaker 1>you get access to Mike and I talking about James

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<v Speaker 1>Bond once a month with our friend Richard HadAM and

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<v Speaker 1>father Malone joins us every now and then.

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<v Speaker 5>What about you, Mike, Yeah, pretty much the same thing

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<v Speaker 5>where doingwamedia dot com for all of the stuff that

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<v Speaker 5>I do, all of the things that you can hear

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<v Speaker 5>other than that one show which is available at Patreon,

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<v Speaker 5>So you can get to my patreon at Patreon dot com.

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<v Speaker 5>Slash Projection booth. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>remarkably a DC film that we actually.

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<v Speaker 3>Liked, Nature Picture Picture, Picture, Picture Picture.

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<v Speaker 7>Paturetreature in a way back

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<v Speaker 3>Way