WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.520 --> 00:00:02.480 All right, I need to dispel something right out of 2 00:00:02.520 --> 00:00:06.519 the gates. I'm gonna start out the show with as 3 00:00:06.519 --> 00:00:07.320 Sean Wertz say, I. 4 00:00:07.280 --> 00:00:08.279 Think it's on Fridays. 5 00:00:08.320 --> 00:00:12.119 I need a airic grievance, and I need to dispel 6 00:00:12.160 --> 00:00:13.039 a misconception. 7 00:00:14.039 --> 00:00:18.399 I'm a fun guy. I'm a fun guy. I don't 8 00:00:18.399 --> 00:00:20.160 get enough credit for how much fun I am. I 9 00:00:20.480 --> 00:00:21.600 didn't have time. 10 00:00:21.359 --> 00:00:24.440 To dress up today. I had a busy morning some 11 00:00:24.519 --> 00:00:28.320 adult team. All right, and if our staff here at 12 00:00:28.320 --> 00:00:31.760 Broadway Media wants me to continue to do this four 13 00:00:31.800 --> 00:00:35.600 hour radio show with which is a ratings juggernaut and 14 00:00:35.679 --> 00:00:39.799 brings in business to pay salaries, I don't have time 15 00:00:39.920 --> 00:00:43.280 to dress up and come in early to enjoy myself. 16 00:00:43.280 --> 00:00:46.159 But that doesn't mean I'm not fun. I want it 17 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:50.359 known across our community starting today that when you hear 18 00:00:50.399 --> 00:00:53.000 the name Spence check its you think fun, fun guy. 19 00:00:53.240 --> 00:00:55.320 I didn't have time to dress up. That doesn't make 20 00:00:55.359 --> 00:00:57.240 me someone who doesn't like fun. 21 00:00:57.320 --> 00:00:58.880 Porter. You know this. We've talked about it. 22 00:00:58.920 --> 00:01:00.240 When people come up to you on this show street 23 00:01:00.240 --> 00:01:03.240 and they're like, hey, tell me about Spence. Better looking 24 00:01:03.280 --> 00:01:07.239 in person, in shape for his age, good. 25 00:01:07.120 --> 00:01:11.079 Lately, good hair, that's enough. Good hair, lying that was 26 00:01:11.120 --> 00:01:13.359 a compliment and a lot of fun. And he's a 27 00:01:13.400 --> 00:01:15.200 fun guy, right, those are the things you say. 28 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:17.359 That was a compliment. You're looking you're looking good, thank you. 29 00:01:17.400 --> 00:01:21.319 But also, I'm fun, You're you're fun, You're funk. And listen, 30 00:01:21.920 --> 00:01:23.840 you don't have to dress up for Halloween to be fun. 31 00:01:24.439 --> 00:01:24.760 Okay. 32 00:01:24.840 --> 00:01:26.640 As you can see, I'm wearing a black T shirt 33 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:28.120 and black sweats today. 34 00:01:28.239 --> 00:01:30.760 You look like you're dressed up as a bandit. I well, 35 00:01:31.000 --> 00:01:34.480 somebody who just robbed a sav or something that. 36 00:01:34.480 --> 00:01:37.280 Might not be a costume. All right, fair enough, But 37 00:01:38.079 --> 00:01:40.079 I also had a busy morning. Sorry, I was at 38 00:01:40.079 --> 00:01:43.319 the DMV all day. Oh so I didn't have enough 39 00:01:43.319 --> 00:01:44.799 time and I'm not gonna go home and just like 40 00:01:45.079 --> 00:01:47.239 put on a cowboy hat. That's not a costume. That's 41 00:01:47.280 --> 00:01:49.519 not That's just why we're on the weekend. So yeah, 42 00:01:49.599 --> 00:01:53.239 I'm you know, I'm not dressing up. I'm fun too. 43 00:01:54.159 --> 00:01:55.239 Times we're both fun. 44 00:01:55.319 --> 00:01:58.040 Eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred text 45 00:01:58.079 --> 00:01:58.959 in how much fun. 46 00:01:58.799 --> 00:01:59.760 This show is? 47 00:01:59.599 --> 00:01:59.640 This? 48 00:01:59.799 --> 00:02:00.599 This show's fun. 49 00:02:00.640 --> 00:02:01.480 We'll give you a. 50 00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:03.879 Gift card to something a fun gift card to do 51 00:02:03.959 --> 00:02:06.959 something fun from the most fun. 52 00:02:06.799 --> 00:02:08.000 People on air in the market. 53 00:02:08.879 --> 00:02:09.919 I would say so eight. 54 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:13.280 Seven seven three five three zero seven hundred. I'm a little. 55 00:02:13.039 --> 00:02:15.360 Irritated I've been painted as somebody who doesn't like fun. 56 00:02:15.400 --> 00:02:15.919 I like fun. 57 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:17.199 You had a bad night last night. 58 00:02:17.199 --> 00:02:20.639 Also, also, the Yankees just completely handed it over. That 59 00:02:20.680 --> 00:02:24.120 fifth inning meltdown was pathetic. Hello, how are you? The 60 00:02:24.199 --> 00:02:26.599 name of this radio program is called The Fun Drive 61 00:02:26.639 --> 00:02:30.319 with Spence Checkets. I'm the host. That young man produces it. 62 00:02:30.800 --> 00:02:34.039 And let's get on track. All right, busy, busy show. 63 00:02:34.159 --> 00:02:37.520 We'll do a little world series. Honestly, that was just pathetic. 64 00:02:38.680 --> 00:02:41.360 And Yankees had Game one in their hands. They blew it. 65 00:02:41.840 --> 00:02:44.599 Yankee sad, Game five in their hands, blew it. Just 66 00:02:44.639 --> 00:02:47.159 a total meltdown. And I wonder if Aaron Boone keeps 67 00:02:47.159 --> 00:02:51.280 his job on dead serious interesting article the up at 68 00:02:51.319 --> 00:02:52.919 the Athletic. I'm gonna find it because I need to 69 00:02:52.919 --> 00:02:56.360 credit the rider because I don't smash as much regular season. 70 00:02:56.120 --> 00:02:57.080 Baseball as I used to. 71 00:02:57.199 --> 00:03:00.199 You know, when you do this job, you try to 72 00:03:01.159 --> 00:03:03.840 put your energy in places that your audience really wants. 73 00:03:03.840 --> 00:03:06.199 And I don't know that baseball moves the needle here 74 00:03:06.240 --> 00:03:09.240 like it used to. But playoff baseball is awesome. The 75 00:03:09.240 --> 00:03:13.280 World Series was at least intriguing. I'm sure Major League Baseball, 76 00:03:13.719 --> 00:03:16.800 the powers that be at the governing body very thrilled 77 00:03:16.840 --> 00:03:19.479 with massive numbers, the biggest ratings the World Series has 78 00:03:19.479 --> 00:03:22.439 had in a long time. And ultimately you get the 79 00:03:22.439 --> 00:03:24.599 two biggest media markets in the world. You get LA 80 00:03:24.759 --> 00:03:26.680 and you get New York. You had two of the 81 00:03:26.680 --> 00:03:29.520 best brands in Major League Baseball, you get the Yankees 82 00:03:29.560 --> 00:03:32.280 and the Dodgers, and then you had i'll say five 83 00:03:32.439 --> 00:03:33.520 somewhat compelling games. 84 00:03:33.520 --> 00:03:35.240 The Dodgers were better. They deserve it. 85 00:03:35.240 --> 00:03:38.159 The Yankees did not deserve to win last night and 86 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:39.879 just a comedy of airs. But that piece in the 87 00:03:39.919 --> 00:03:43.639 Athletic outlined like essentially, and I can understand this because 88 00:03:43.680 --> 00:03:46.199 watching the Yankees in the playoffs prior to the World Series, 89 00:03:46.360 --> 00:03:49.560 it felt like they had such a powerful, powerful lineup, 90 00:03:50.439 --> 00:03:53.159 and then when they faced the Dodgers have the best 91 00:03:53.199 --> 00:03:56.000 lineup in baseball and quite frankly have for quite a while. 92 00:03:56.000 --> 00:03:58.319 It's got like a decade of Dodger dominance. They only 93 00:03:58.360 --> 00:04:01.199 had one World Series and it was COVID, so it 94 00:04:01.199 --> 00:04:04.759 fell kind of hollow, so well deserved by that organization. 95 00:04:04.879 --> 00:04:06.360 I don't know what the Yankees are gonna do. 96 00:04:06.439 --> 00:04:08.520 Wan Soto came out today, was like, yeah, I'm opening 97 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:10.719 to every club. He's just gonna go to the highest bidder, 98 00:04:10.719 --> 00:04:13.680 as most players do as they get a little bit older. 99 00:04:13.719 --> 00:04:17.160 But fifth inning meltdown. I don't know that Aaron Boone 100 00:04:17.240 --> 00:04:19.920 keeps his job. So maybe we'll do a little World Series. 101 00:04:19.959 --> 00:04:22.879 But mostly we have the local stuff to get into. 102 00:04:23.240 --> 00:04:25.480 Great night for the Utah Hockey Club. I bounce back 103 00:04:25.519 --> 00:04:28.480 win against Calgary five to one. 104 00:04:28.560 --> 00:04:29.480 There for the. 105 00:04:29.519 --> 00:04:31.720 Utah Hockey Club. They got their offense back. Good to 106 00:04:31.720 --> 00:04:34.360 see Sergachev on a power play goal. Gumpter got his 107 00:04:34.480 --> 00:04:38.800 sixth of the year. The Utah Jazz welcome in Victor Wi, 108 00:04:38.959 --> 00:04:41.680 Manyama and the San Antonio Spurs. The Jazz are now 109 00:04:41.720 --> 00:04:44.959 the only team in the NBA that have not won 110 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:46.920 a game, and I'll tell you I'm here for it 111 00:04:47.480 --> 00:04:48.000 for eighty two. 112 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:50.079 Please just do what. 113 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:51.920 You have to do to maintain your draft capital to 114 00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:53.879 try to get a legitimate good piece in the draft 115 00:04:53.920 --> 00:04:58.360 next year. Only four NBA games Tonight, the NBA TV 116 00:04:58.519 --> 00:05:02.680 Night as it's known around people who watch basketball, Milwaukee, 117 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:06.199 Memphis and then Phoenix and the LA Clippers Houston Dallas 118 00:05:06.240 --> 00:05:08.920 go at it. Then, of course the aforementioned Spurs Jazz 119 00:05:08.959 --> 00:05:11.240 game at the Delta Center, So head on, doubt if 120 00:05:11.279 --> 00:05:14.480 you want to see some jazz basketball. Inching closer and 121 00:05:14.519 --> 00:05:17.199 closer to the next game for real, saw Lake, it's 122 00:05:17.240 --> 00:05:21.879 do or die for RSL in Minnesota. After really screwing 123 00:05:21.879 --> 00:05:23.920 the pooch a little bit, not being able to find 124 00:05:23.920 --> 00:05:27.360 a goal here in saut Lake on Tuesday, they're gonna 125 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:29.040 have to try to make a miracle happen on the 126 00:05:29.079 --> 00:05:32.079 road against Minnesota. So we'll get to a little RSL 127 00:05:32.120 --> 00:05:35.720 and obviously a ton of attention on the weekend ahead 128 00:05:35.759 --> 00:05:39.519 in both local and college football. Excuse me, I should 129 00:05:39.519 --> 00:05:43.319 say college and pro football because locally both Utah and 130 00:05:43.319 --> 00:05:46.839 BYU are on buys, But we do have a lot 131 00:05:46.839 --> 00:05:51.319 of great college football games. From a national perspective, Ohio State, 132 00:05:51.399 --> 00:05:54.759 Penn State probably top of mind. We've got Michigan and 133 00:05:54.920 --> 00:05:58.639 Oregon at the Big House. Your NFL weekend starts tonight 134 00:05:58.839 --> 00:06:01.279 with another in bare seeing team of mind, the New 135 00:06:01.360 --> 00:06:04.399 York Football Jets and their quarterback known as Throw Rogan 136 00:06:05.079 --> 00:06:07.240 taking on the Texans. The Jets are actually a favorite 137 00:06:07.279 --> 00:06:09.720 Texans are a little bit banged up. They lost Stefon Diggs, 138 00:06:09.759 --> 00:06:11.639 although I do think Nuko Collins is gonna play. 139 00:06:11.680 --> 00:06:13.079 We'll update you on that. Of course. 140 00:06:13.720 --> 00:06:15.600 After we say goodnight, you can hear the Jets and 141 00:06:15.639 --> 00:06:17.920 the Texans as we are your home of the NFL 142 00:06:18.759 --> 00:06:21.199 in this market. All right, good guest lists excited for this. 143 00:06:21.279 --> 00:06:23.879 Today we've got Pablo mash Joanna. I was told Pablo's 144 00:06:23.920 --> 00:06:27.240 not doing media. We're the only show that's gonna get Pablo, 145 00:06:27.399 --> 00:06:30.360 My guy pops between the loss on Tuesday and the 146 00:06:30.360 --> 00:06:31.399 match on Saturday, So. 147 00:06:31.399 --> 00:06:32.800 We're gonna do that right out of the gates. Now, 148 00:06:32.800 --> 00:06:33.800 we're gonna bring in Craig. 149 00:06:33.639 --> 00:06:36.319 Bowlerjack and Gordon Monson live in studio for the Big Show, 150 00:06:36.360 --> 00:06:38.240 Big Hour, rought to you by. 151 00:06:38.120 --> 00:06:41.720 Big O Tires. Danny Knell having caught up with my 152 00:06:41.759 --> 00:06:44.480 guy DK from En Why that's an inside joke. He 153 00:06:44.519 --> 00:06:45.720 actually did a rap once. 154 00:06:46.279 --> 00:06:49.279 You can google Danny Cannell DK and what and why 155 00:06:49.360 --> 00:06:52.079 When he was playing for the Giants he recorded a rap. 156 00:06:52.319 --> 00:06:55.639 Wasn't great, but you know, I appreciate the effort. Canal 157 00:06:55.680 --> 00:06:57.879 stops violator. Do you think you can prepare the DK 158 00:06:58.079 --> 00:07:00.720 in n Y bump when you bring Danny on. 159 00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:03.920 I think we did that once and I don't know 160 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:08.240 that he was like as excited about it as I 161 00:07:08.240 --> 00:07:08.800 thought he might be. 162 00:07:08.920 --> 00:07:10.160 Okay, second hear we do that. 163 00:07:10.519 --> 00:07:13.319 We may have and look it was Rather it's not 164 00:07:13.399 --> 00:07:15.079 great as a backup. 165 00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:18.519 Can you prepare Gordon Hayward? Too big yo, too big yo? 166 00:07:18.639 --> 00:07:18.839 Yeah? 167 00:07:18.879 --> 00:07:22.480 Okay yeah for Canal White guys should never wrap unless your. 168 00:07:22.399 --> 00:07:24.720 Name is Eminem. I mean the list is like one. 169 00:07:24.600 --> 00:07:26.160 There's a there's a short select view. 170 00:07:26.600 --> 00:07:27.079 Who else? 171 00:07:27.519 --> 00:07:29.399 If you say Macklimore, then I'm going I kind of 172 00:07:29.439 --> 00:07:32.959 like Mac Miller. May he rest in peace? Macklimore, Yes 173 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:34.639 he was. He was a good talent. So we'll bring 174 00:07:34.639 --> 00:07:38.560 in Canal into Taco Liotle. College football so NFL college Football, RSL, 175 00:07:38.680 --> 00:07:41.079 some jazz, and some NBA on a Thursday. 176 00:07:41.079 --> 00:07:43.439 Our first guest will be Pablo mash Joetti. 177 00:07:43.519 --> 00:07:45.720 But before we get to my guy Pops, My Guy Pops, 178 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:49.720 go to see of Standard Restaurant supply check out at 179 00:07:49.759 --> 00:07:52.759 Standard restaurant dot com or stop by their convenient location 180 00:07:52.839 --> 00:07:54.079 at thirty five hundred South. 181 00:07:54.079 --> 00:07:57.079 They are your tail gate headquarters. God. Now for your 182 00:07:57.079 --> 00:07:57.639 opening tip. 183 00:07:58.439 --> 00:08:01.600 Welcome to the drive with Spence on Utah's number one 184 00:08:01.639 --> 00:08:05.560 Sports Talk now into the studio of ESPN seven hundred 185 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:08.319 to set the scene for the show. The opening tip 186 00:08:08.360 --> 00:08:11.079 of the drive is brought to you by Standard Restaurant Supply, 187 00:08:11.319 --> 00:08:14.360 your one stop shop to build the best tailgate in town. 188 00:08:15.240 --> 00:08:18.800 Standard Restaurant Supply thirty five hundred Southwest Temple. 189 00:08:19.879 --> 00:08:23.120 So, as we've talked about all week, it just feels odd. 190 00:08:23.160 --> 00:08:26.639 It's the ever changing landscape of college athletics to have 191 00:08:26.720 --> 00:08:30.639 both Utah and BYU football on buys for the second 192 00:08:30.639 --> 00:08:33.480 time this year. Now, of course, for the first time 193 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:37.240 this year, Utah and BYU will do battle coming up 194 00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:41.399 next Saturday here in Salt Lake City at rysecl Stadium, 195 00:08:41.879 --> 00:08:46.279 eight o'clock, eight to fifteen. Tip, excuse me, Porter will 196 00:08:46.279 --> 00:08:48.480 get going at four fifteen, Porter, do we have a 197 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:52.480 quick tease for the pregame coverage of the rivalry game 198 00:08:52.519 --> 00:08:54.799 we're going to see next week Utah BYU football. 199 00:08:54.639 --> 00:08:55.879 Actually gonna be a lot of fun. We're gonna be 200 00:08:55.960 --> 00:08:58.840 up at the kind of a code drive I guess 201 00:08:58.919 --> 00:09:02.799 for the NFL Play Association. We're gonna be up at 202 00:09:03.039 --> 00:09:08.120 the tailgate with Nate Orchard, with Stevenson Sylvester Isaacasciata, Jordan Wynn, 203 00:09:08.240 --> 00:09:11.919 and a collection of friends from down south as well, 204 00:09:12.559 --> 00:09:15.360 trying to gather a bunch of coats for the upcoming 205 00:09:15.399 --> 00:09:18.480 winter and preparing for football. So I'll have like an 206 00:09:18.519 --> 00:09:21.840 assortment of both BYU and Utah former players that are 207 00:09:21.840 --> 00:09:24.200 stopping by each and every segment, but live from the 208 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:27.480 tailgate and hopefully have folks that can bring their extra coats. 209 00:09:28.159 --> 00:09:29.759 I'll tease that as we get closer. 210 00:09:29.519 --> 00:09:31.639 For sure, make sure to come early and check out 211 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:32.320 the tailgate. 212 00:09:32.559 --> 00:09:34.159 It's a lot of fun. I'll be up there. 213 00:09:34.159 --> 00:09:36.000 It's going to be a late kick, so we'll all 214 00:09:36.000 --> 00:09:38.799 be at the stadium very late. And of course, as 215 00:09:38.840 --> 00:09:42.440 we've discussed the cruel irony for youth fans up in 216 00:09:42.440 --> 00:09:45.440 this part of the world who a couple will not 217 00:09:45.519 --> 00:09:48.519 just cover but care about the University of Utahs that 218 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:52.080 literally every single thing that we thought would happen this 219 00:09:52.159 --> 00:09:55.679 year for Utah football is happening about forty miles down south. 220 00:09:55.720 --> 00:09:59.799 So BYU rolls up next week with a ton of confidence, 221 00:10:00.519 --> 00:10:04.799 with a ton of momentum, and honestly, even though they're 222 00:10:04.840 --> 00:10:08.000 not being front facing about it, because whenever Kilanie talks, 223 00:10:08.039 --> 00:10:11.000 he just he will never show his hand and he's 224 00:10:11.039 --> 00:10:14.360 only going to talk about his respect and love for 225 00:10:14.600 --> 00:10:17.559 his mentor and former boss, former head coach that is 226 00:10:17.639 --> 00:10:21.600 Kilane Satake actually than Kyle Whittingham, of course, Kilane Jay 227 00:10:21.720 --> 00:10:24.120 and a Rod part of that two thousand and eight 228 00:10:24.200 --> 00:10:27.399 unbeaten Utah team that went to the Sugar Bowl and 229 00:10:27.399 --> 00:10:31.120 beat Alabama. But make no mistake, and you know, talking 230 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:33.000 to some people off air who've been listening to the 231 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:35.639 program and you know kind of chime in with their take, 232 00:10:36.320 --> 00:10:39.639 that group will roll up here super motivated and don't 233 00:10:39.679 --> 00:10:42.960 think for a second that if it gets loose, and 234 00:10:42.960 --> 00:10:44.519 there are a lot of people that think it will. 235 00:10:44.600 --> 00:10:47.279 You know, the line has moved just a little bit 236 00:10:47.320 --> 00:10:50.840 BYU just a slight favorite. It opened up at four, 237 00:10:50.960 --> 00:10:52.759 you can get at about two and a half or two, 238 00:10:53.480 --> 00:10:56.360 but it'll it'll continue to move, you know, between now 239 00:10:56.399 --> 00:11:00.000 and next Saturday. And obviously early on in the season 240 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:02.559 and line movement was a little bit of a telltale 241 00:11:02.600 --> 00:11:05.360 sign about who we would see under center for Utah 242 00:11:05.440 --> 00:11:08.480 football coming up, whether it was Cam or Isaac. We 243 00:11:08.639 --> 00:11:10.600 just followed the line and suddenly it would spike like 244 00:11:10.679 --> 00:11:12.799 five points, like, oh, I guess cams still hurt. 245 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:16.440 Coach witt Ad dressed the media and talked about you 246 00:11:16.480 --> 00:11:18.279 know and kind of here we go again. 247 00:11:18.360 --> 00:11:20.840 I understand that people are feeling like this, but it 248 00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:23.679 will be Isaac Wilson and Brandon Rose splitting the first 249 00:11:23.720 --> 00:11:26.679 team reps. Although Kyle himself said that Isaac has been 250 00:11:26.720 --> 00:11:30.320 playing injured. That feels a little bit like the Jazz 251 00:11:30.360 --> 00:11:32.399 after they lost to the Clippers in the playoffs. So like, yeah, 252 00:11:32.440 --> 00:11:34.200 Rudy and Don were actually hurt. Well, why do you 253 00:11:34.240 --> 00:11:37.440 say anything before the series? He just lost, so I 254 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:39.720 can't speak to it. I have no idea. I mean, 255 00:11:39.759 --> 00:11:41.879 I think it is safe to say that Isaac looked 256 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:45.600 better early on when he had reps against Southern Utah, Baylor, 257 00:11:45.840 --> 00:11:50.159 Utah State, Oklahoma State. Obviously, none of those teams are awesome. 258 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:52.039 I think Baylor has been a little bit better as 259 00:11:52.080 --> 00:11:55.360 of late. But Isaac did look better against the competition 260 00:11:55.480 --> 00:11:59.240 early on. Prior to you know, Arizona, this didn't look great, 261 00:11:59.279 --> 00:12:02.120 and then after goes out against ASU didn't look great. 262 00:12:02.159 --> 00:12:05.360 Of course, the offense over the past four games has 263 00:12:05.399 --> 00:12:09.440 been anemic by most any measurable metric. They are one 264 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:12.120 of the bottom three offenses in the Big twelve, and 265 00:12:12.279 --> 00:12:16.480 ultimately what BYU seems to do well is kind of 266 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:19.080 like the perfect formula for a game that could get 267 00:12:19.120 --> 00:12:21.600 a little bit loose for Utah football coming up next week. 268 00:12:22.559 --> 00:12:24.960 As of right now, it appears BYU is as healthy 269 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:27.879 as you can possibly be at this point of the season. 270 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:30.399 Connor pay apparently is still in a walking boot, but 271 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:33.679 there's some there's some rumbling, some rumors that he may 272 00:12:33.720 --> 00:12:36.320 be ready for the Utah football game. Even with Connor 273 00:12:36.360 --> 00:12:38.759 on the sideline, that offensive line has been really good 274 00:12:38.799 --> 00:12:42.320 both protecting Jake and opening up holes for. 275 00:12:42.360 --> 00:12:44.320 Well any of their running backs. 276 00:12:44.360 --> 00:12:46.879 They have five backs that have had twenty one carries 277 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:49.159 or more and that doesn't even include Miles Davis is 278 00:12:49.200 --> 00:12:51.720 at eighteen. You know, that's where they've been injured a 279 00:12:51.720 --> 00:12:54.840 little bit. But lj looks healthy, he looks ready. Hinkley 280 00:12:54.919 --> 00:12:57.320 Rapati looks healthy, he looks ready, and Jake can run 281 00:12:57.320 --> 00:13:00.600 it as well. So Utah football, we're really gonna have 282 00:13:00.639 --> 00:13:03.240 to get back to what we've all become accustomed to 283 00:13:03.320 --> 00:13:05.200 as far as watching a team who's head coach is 284 00:13:05.279 --> 00:13:09.559 Kyle Winningham, and look, the narrative that the defense isn't 285 00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:13.000 good is not fair. The metrics do indicate the Utah's 286 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:16.120 defense is elite. Now, you know, I do take a 287 00:13:16.120 --> 00:13:19.000 little bit of an issue with people who have blamed 288 00:13:19.240 --> 00:13:22.519 the areas of the defense that aren't necessarily proficient, which 289 00:13:22.559 --> 00:13:24.639 is odd, and Kyle actually talked about this during his 290 00:13:24.720 --> 00:13:28.480 media availability. Utah football is not turning the other team 291 00:13:28.519 --> 00:13:31.799 over and they're not pressuring the quarterback. And in order 292 00:13:31.799 --> 00:13:34.159 to beat BYU, you're gonna have to pressure Jake and 293 00:13:34.200 --> 00:13:37.039 you're probably gonna have to capitalize because here's one thing 294 00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:40.600 about Jake. He still does have those moments. And I'm 295 00:13:40.600 --> 00:13:42.879 not knocking on the kid because he's been incredible. You know, 296 00:13:42.960 --> 00:13:48.000 the preseason predictions had him among the worst quarterbacks in 297 00:13:48.039 --> 00:13:50.519 the Big Twelve. Jake has talked about this himself, as 298 00:13:50.559 --> 00:13:53.759 he keeps screenshots on his phone to use his motivation. 299 00:13:54.480 --> 00:13:56.679 And no matter how you spin it, excuse me, no 300 00:13:56.720 --> 00:13:58.279 matter how you spin it, no matter how you look 301 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:01.120 at it, he's gone from being expected to be one 302 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:04.919 of the worst quarterbacks in the conference to undeniably being 303 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:07.919 one of, if not the best, certainly up there with 304 00:14:07.919 --> 00:14:09.159 anyone you're gonna talk about. 305 00:14:09.519 --> 00:14:11.000 So you're gonna have to pressure him. 306 00:14:11.000 --> 00:14:12.840 And even though Jake has been really good, he still 307 00:14:12.879 --> 00:14:16.879 has those moments where he makes those mistakes and those 308 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:20.360 throws where some of them turned into turnovers. BYU has 309 00:14:20.360 --> 00:14:22.200 been a little bit fortunate to not have a lot 310 00:14:22.240 --> 00:14:24.120 of them come back and bite them, but his decision 311 00:14:24.159 --> 00:14:27.000 making has been better. And hopefully you taught football on 312 00:14:27.039 --> 00:14:29.639 the defensive side will be healthier than they ever have 313 00:14:29.879 --> 00:14:32.919 been luckily. I mean, obviously it sucks to here about 314 00:14:32.919 --> 00:14:35.480 money Parks is out for the year, but I don't 315 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:38.679 believe anyone on the defense outside of the early injury 316 00:14:38.679 --> 00:14:41.759 injury at corner has been deemed to be out for 317 00:14:41.799 --> 00:14:45.080 the year. So hopefully not just Connor O'Toole being back, 318 00:14:45.120 --> 00:14:47.519 but Connor O'Toole looking right. Early on in the season, 319 00:14:47.559 --> 00:14:50.559 Connor was a beast, causing a lot of chaos in 320 00:14:50.600 --> 00:14:52.960 the backfield, then he went down with the injury. Getting 321 00:14:53.039 --> 00:14:56.799 Karne back and hopefully back in better game shape coming up. 322 00:14:56.840 --> 00:14:59.960 Because obviously you cannot replicate a game, and you can't 323 00:15:00.039 --> 00:15:02.879 replicated game like this because it does. 324 00:15:02.679 --> 00:15:04.000 Get weird more often than not. 325 00:15:04.159 --> 00:15:06.559 But Utah football as of now in the Big Twelve, 326 00:15:06.679 --> 00:15:09.279 number two in scoring defense, number one in total defense, 327 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:12.720 number three, in rushing defense, number two in passing defense, 328 00:15:12.799 --> 00:15:16.360 number five in efficiency. They're the best defensive team on 329 00:15:16.440 --> 00:15:19.440 both first and third down, but they're eleventh in sacks. 330 00:15:19.879 --> 00:15:23.559 They're fifteenth in fumbles forced, they're sixteenth in fumbles recovered. 331 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:27.000 Remember there's only sixteen teams in this league. They're ninth 332 00:15:27.039 --> 00:15:31.159 in interceptions, but ultimately they're number one in red zone defense. 333 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:33.960 So most of the metrics still indicate that this defense 334 00:15:34.039 --> 00:15:36.279 is something you guys can hand your hat on if 335 00:15:36.279 --> 00:15:39.440 you're looking for something to kind of keep that faith 336 00:15:39.440 --> 00:15:41.440 alive for the final four games of the year, because, 337 00:15:41.480 --> 00:15:45.000 as we've talked about, and as we'll continue to talk about, yes, 338 00:15:45.480 --> 00:15:48.279 this team will always be remembered as what could have 339 00:15:48.360 --> 00:15:50.679 been and oh my gosh, how did we all get 340 00:15:50.720 --> 00:15:54.440 it so wrong? But you can make your mark on 341 00:15:54.519 --> 00:15:58.840 this community with a special moment and a special game 342 00:15:59.200 --> 00:16:02.840 in the RAVA game against BYU. You can be remembered forever, 343 00:16:03.039 --> 00:16:05.600 even if this team will not be remembered in the 344 00:16:05.639 --> 00:16:07.720 way that we all thought we would talk about them. 345 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:10.279 All Right, Pablo Mashtutt's going to join us coming up 346 00:16:10.279 --> 00:16:12.120 next right out of the gates. We're gonna bring in Pablo, 347 00:16:12.200 --> 00:16:14.440 But let me tell you about Prize Picks. Okay, it's 348 00:16:14.480 --> 00:16:17.879 the best place to get real money sports action. Over 349 00:16:17.960 --> 00:16:21.200 ten million members, billions of dollars in awarded winnings, Prize 350 00:16:21.200 --> 00:16:25.000 Picks has made daily fantasy sports accessible to all. So 351 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:27.840 it's the easiest way if you've ever just wanted to 352 00:16:27.879 --> 00:16:30.039 dip your toe in the water. 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I'm 376 00:17:31.480 --> 00:17:36.559 not judging playoff soccer in MLS is dramatic, it is intense, 377 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:40.480 and it continues on Saturday after a rough one on Tuesday. 378 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:44.079 Our next guest, the head coach of RSL, good enough 379 00:17:44.119 --> 00:17:46.319 to take some time during a game week, Pablo Mash 380 00:17:46.359 --> 00:17:48.440 Tojo Honey on a Thursday, Pop's happy Thursday, man, how 381 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:48.759 are you doing? 382 00:17:49.599 --> 00:17:50.720 It's happy Thursday, spends. 383 00:17:51.839 --> 00:17:52.799 I appreciate the time. 384 00:17:52.880 --> 00:17:55.599 So when we had you on last and I'm only 385 00:17:55.640 --> 00:17:58.960 speaking for myself here, I said from my soccer pee brain, 386 00:17:59.039 --> 00:18:01.680 it felt like Minnesota that is scared to play with 387 00:18:01.720 --> 00:18:05.039 you and they just want to sit back and try 388 00:18:05.160 --> 00:18:07.720 to counter a little bit, and that's what they did, 389 00:18:07.839 --> 00:18:10.319 and it just feels like getting a goal in that 390 00:18:10.400 --> 00:18:15.079 scenario is really really tough, because getting a goal period is. 391 00:18:15.079 --> 00:18:15.960 Really really tough. 392 00:18:16.200 --> 00:18:18.319 As you look back and as you've studied the film, 393 00:18:19.519 --> 00:18:22.400 what would you point out today that stood in the 394 00:18:22.440 --> 00:18:25.880 way from you guys finding just one solution in order 395 00:18:25.920 --> 00:18:26.519 to get that win. 396 00:18:27.920 --> 00:18:30.920 Yeah, no, I think you know, Minnesota has been a 397 00:18:30.960 --> 00:18:33.759 really good defensive team, and the commitment they put towards 398 00:18:34.319 --> 00:18:36.240 you know, playing behind the ball, and the commitment they 399 00:18:36.240 --> 00:18:39.480 get from eleven makes it extremely difficult. And when we create, 400 00:18:39.680 --> 00:18:42.359 you know, we you know, in soccer, there's a there's 401 00:18:42.359 --> 00:18:44.519 a static called big chances. And in that game at 402 00:18:44.559 --> 00:18:47.920 the weekend, we created three big chances and essentially it's 403 00:18:48.519 --> 00:18:51.359 you and the goalkeeper and you and and and we 404 00:18:51.400 --> 00:18:55.079 didn't finish those three chances. So it's not the volume 405 00:18:55.079 --> 00:18:57.519 of chances you're going to create about them but against them, 406 00:18:57.720 --> 00:19:00.839 But it is the quality of the chance that you're 407 00:19:00.880 --> 00:19:03.359 going to create and then just finishing. And so you know, 408 00:19:03.400 --> 00:19:05.920 what I said postgame was like making a play, and 409 00:19:06.359 --> 00:19:09.880 to be fair, their goalkeeper made a play on three 410 00:19:09.880 --> 00:19:13.119 of our big chances, and so it's it's just and 411 00:19:13.119 --> 00:19:15.440 And the key to that is if you score a goal, 412 00:19:15.519 --> 00:19:18.400 their whole plan is kind of thrown out the window 413 00:19:18.400 --> 00:19:20.000 and now they have to open themselves up, and now 414 00:19:20.000 --> 00:19:22.160 they have to extend themselves. And we've done really really 415 00:19:22.160 --> 00:19:25.480 well against teams that open up or press, and what 416 00:19:25.480 --> 00:19:29.920 we've struggled is is really being intricate in our play 417 00:19:30.119 --> 00:19:34.039 in tight spaces. And and so you know, looking back, 418 00:19:34.680 --> 00:19:37.279 there's a couple of things that that we're gonna that 419 00:19:37.319 --> 00:19:40.559 we're going to do with possession deeper in uh in 420 00:19:40.759 --> 00:19:43.799 in our build to hopefully, you know, create some space 421 00:19:43.839 --> 00:19:46.119 between the lines to then be able to exploit those 422 00:19:46.160 --> 00:19:50.599 spaces with pace. Because again, if you exp if you 423 00:19:50.640 --> 00:19:53.160 break lines and you penetrate their midfield line, but then 424 00:19:53.200 --> 00:19:56.039 you take your first touch backwards, you allow the rest 425 00:19:56.039 --> 00:19:57.839 of their team to get back, and what they are 426 00:19:57.920 --> 00:20:01.759 is committed to get back. And so it's not about, 427 00:20:01.920 --> 00:20:04.359 you know, the amount of chances that that you create 428 00:20:04.359 --> 00:20:06.480 as much as it is taking advantage of the good 429 00:20:06.599 --> 00:20:09.559 chances that you create on goal. And and and again 430 00:20:09.599 --> 00:20:11.640 for us, it's going to be scoring the first goal. 431 00:20:11.960 --> 00:20:14.400 And that's what we've been working towards. While it's not 432 00:20:14.559 --> 00:20:18.160 obviously giving up the defensive side because the obviously the 433 00:20:18.839 --> 00:20:20.680 feeling is that we have to go score the goal. 434 00:20:21.119 --> 00:20:23.920 But if you concede against these guys, now you have 435 00:20:24.000 --> 00:20:26.359 to score two and that's not the game that we 436 00:20:26.400 --> 00:20:27.000 want to play. 437 00:20:27.400 --> 00:20:29.319 So again, you'll have to forgive my ignorance. 438 00:20:29.400 --> 00:20:32.440 The only time I've seen Minnesota is when you played them, 439 00:20:32.599 --> 00:20:36.000 and it does feel like from my recollection they do 440 00:20:36.079 --> 00:20:39.880 play the same regardless of venue. Are you anticipating that 441 00:20:40.039 --> 00:20:44.680 same style in their place coming up on Saturday? 442 00:20:44.799 --> 00:20:45.000 Yeah? 443 00:20:45.079 --> 00:20:47.200 You know, their coach smitten in common after the game 444 00:20:48.319 --> 00:20:50.240 and one of our best chances came when they came 445 00:20:50.279 --> 00:20:52.000 out to press us and we broke through their whole 446 00:20:52.039 --> 00:20:53.839 team and created a good chance on goal, and he 447 00:20:54.000 --> 00:20:56.440 made a reference to you know, we're at our worst 448 00:20:56.519 --> 00:20:59.160 when we're opened up. And so for me, just that 449 00:20:59.319 --> 00:21:02.880 common alone after that game, uh speaks volumes to what they're. 450 00:21:02.720 --> 00:21:03.079 Going to do. 451 00:21:03.559 --> 00:21:05.480 You know that they feel like, well, if we take 452 00:21:05.480 --> 00:21:07.440 it the currently six, we feel good about our chances. 453 00:21:08.319 --> 00:21:10.279 We have a game to play with. It's the onus 454 00:21:10.319 --> 00:21:12.920 is on a Salt Lake to come out and make 455 00:21:12.960 --> 00:21:15.519 the game. And what they're really good at, because they've 456 00:21:15.519 --> 00:21:17.440 been playing this way for quite some time, is the 457 00:21:17.480 --> 00:21:21.400 counter attack. And so the expectation for us is that 458 00:21:21.400 --> 00:21:23.799 that they're going to play the same play the same way, 459 00:21:23.920 --> 00:21:27.720 wait for their moments and if they don't, you know, 460 00:21:28.039 --> 00:21:30.279 I think it's we have an advantage where we feel 461 00:21:30.319 --> 00:21:33.960 really comfortable with teams exposing themselves, bringing players forward, and 462 00:21:34.000 --> 00:21:36.559 then us being being able to break lines and create 463 00:21:36.680 --> 00:21:38.880 more quality opportunities on goal. 464 00:21:39.559 --> 00:21:42.720 Okay, so let's let's dig into some lineup decisions here, 465 00:21:43.319 --> 00:21:47.200 because and again this is just me asking, pontificating aloud 466 00:21:47.279 --> 00:21:50.319 and wondering kind of what the motivation was. So we 467 00:21:50.359 --> 00:21:52.720 had Matt on, we had Matt Crookson a couple of 468 00:21:52.759 --> 00:21:56.599 days ago, and I asked Matt straight up, like, where 469 00:21:56.599 --> 00:22:02.000 do you think Doogo uh fits all on the lineup slide? 470 00:22:02.039 --> 00:22:03.839 You know, where's he best served? He says, he's probably 471 00:22:03.880 --> 00:22:06.240 best served as a ten, just like I am. 472 00:22:06.279 --> 00:22:08.680 You know, we're both kind of central players, and you've 473 00:22:08.720 --> 00:22:10.799 been good to kind of help us understand the connecting 474 00:22:10.880 --> 00:22:13.960 ability of Matt crooks throughout the course of the season 475 00:22:14.079 --> 00:22:17.000 because the stats aren't there, but then you look at 476 00:22:17.039 --> 00:22:19.720 the miles ran and you know the work rate is 477 00:22:19.960 --> 00:22:22.079 certainly there. So let's start with the decision to go 478 00:22:22.119 --> 00:22:25.359 with Matt centralized and bring Diogo off the bench. 479 00:22:26.839 --> 00:22:28.680 Yeah, I think for me, and this is the same 480 00:22:28.720 --> 00:22:32.240 conversation with Diogo, it's it's you know, I think Diego 481 00:22:32.319 --> 00:22:34.440 is still trying to, you know, figure out a lot 482 00:22:34.480 --> 00:22:36.559 of things about the league, a lot of things with 483 00:22:36.680 --> 00:22:40.200 our team, and he actually came in the team when 484 00:22:40.200 --> 00:22:42.920 we're going through a really rough time. And so my 485 00:22:43.039 --> 00:22:46.279 conversation with Diego is the same as I'll explain you now, 486 00:22:46.400 --> 00:22:49.960 is it's just understanding the role on both sides of 487 00:22:49.960 --> 00:22:52.880 the ball really clearly. And I think that's where Matt 488 00:22:52.920 --> 00:22:55.960 has an edge. And for me, going you know, with 489 00:22:56.039 --> 00:22:58.799 a guy that has ten months of experience playing with 490 00:22:58.880 --> 00:23:01.799 the screw, going through some good times, going through some 491 00:23:01.880 --> 00:23:05.559 tough times, it's just the familiarity that that that I 492 00:23:05.599 --> 00:23:07.480 have with Crooks in that position, and then you can 493 00:23:07.519 --> 00:23:10.039 look at other positions and go, okay, so then how 494 00:23:10.079 --> 00:23:13.839 can we adjust it? But with Crooks, it's been he 495 00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:15.759 is the glue to our team and like you really 496 00:23:15.799 --> 00:23:17.599 pointed out, you're not going to see it in the stats, 497 00:23:17.920 --> 00:23:21.359 but the way he's been linking with Andreas and and 498 00:23:21.519 --> 00:23:23.920 the way he's been linking with dom who who you know, 499 00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:26.720 he played into, you know, create one of our best 500 00:23:26.799 --> 00:23:31.519 chances of the game against Minnesota, is is too important 501 00:23:31.559 --> 00:23:34.240 to leave him off the fields. And then the other 502 00:23:34.279 --> 00:23:36.799 part with Crooks against the team like Minnesota who play 503 00:23:36.880 --> 00:23:41.559 for set pieces and they're huge, is also that that 504 00:23:42.599 --> 00:23:45.559 what he brings on set pieces from just an aerial ability. 505 00:23:45.880 --> 00:23:47.599 And so those are some of the decisions you know 506 00:23:47.640 --> 00:23:49.559 that went in, you know, when I'm explaining things to 507 00:23:49.720 --> 00:23:54.119 Diogo as to why I'm going with Matt Crooks. And 508 00:23:54.160 --> 00:23:56.759 the other part of that is is Diego has had 509 00:23:56.799 --> 00:23:59.799 his best moments for us when he's come into games 510 00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:03.799 of the game against the Austin and the game against Portland. Uh, 511 00:24:03.839 --> 00:24:05.720 those are two games that he scored in and he's 512 00:24:05.759 --> 00:24:08.279 coming into the game when the game's a bit tired. 513 00:24:08.319 --> 00:24:10.640 He there's a little bit more space and he's got 514 00:24:10.680 --> 00:24:13.079 an eye for goal. And so always having that in 515 00:24:13.119 --> 00:24:15.200 your back pocket is just as important as picking the 516 00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:17.119 starting team is who are the guys that are going 517 00:24:17.200 --> 00:24:19.599 to come in if the if the game state is such. 518 00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:22.519 And so those are the conversations I had with you know, 519 00:24:22.640 --> 00:24:23.839 with both those guys. 520 00:24:24.279 --> 00:24:28.880 Okay, okay, now you elected to uh, you know later 521 00:24:28.960 --> 00:24:32.359 on the game bring on Diego and uh, you you 522 00:24:32.799 --> 00:24:36.279 decided to take off Diego Luna. Now for my money, 523 00:24:36.359 --> 00:24:39.839 Pablo Diego. And this is just me, you know, kind 524 00:24:39.839 --> 00:24:42.839 of witnessing and watching. I feel like Diego might be 525 00:24:42.880 --> 00:24:45.160 in the best form of any of the attacking players 526 00:24:45.240 --> 00:24:45.640 right now. 527 00:24:46.279 --> 00:24:47.799 So take us. 528 00:24:47.319 --> 00:24:48.920 Okay, So take us through that decision. 529 00:24:48.920 --> 00:24:50.759 Why you ended up to tall, you know, bringing in 530 00:24:50.799 --> 00:24:52.839 Diego in place of Diego Luna. 531 00:24:54.200 --> 00:24:56.359 Yeah, because Diego Luna was cramping. 532 00:24:56.400 --> 00:24:56.960 Oh okay. 533 00:24:57.039 --> 00:25:00.880 And so again these are really good quest because again, 534 00:25:01.039 --> 00:25:03.079 if you just look at it from peripheral, you have 535 00:25:03.200 --> 00:25:07.640 no idea as as to all the different variables that 536 00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:10.759 go into making these decisions. So Diego was cramping, he'd 537 00:25:10.759 --> 00:25:12.880 been he's had a cold for a couple of days. 538 00:25:14.119 --> 00:25:16.359 And and again, when you're in the playoffs, it's not 539 00:25:16.440 --> 00:25:18.119 like we can we can wait and see if you 540 00:25:18.119 --> 00:25:20.279 can get through it. It's more about how do we 541 00:25:20.720 --> 00:25:23.920 how do we keep the same level of intensity on 542 00:25:23.960 --> 00:25:26.640 both sides of the ball. And and so Diego, the 543 00:25:26.920 --> 00:25:29.680 decision with Data Luna was nothing more than he was 544 00:25:29.720 --> 00:25:32.480 cramping and just wanted to make sure that we had 545 00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:35.000 legs to to finish out the game the right way. 546 00:25:35.119 --> 00:25:37.759 Now I got to follow up how's he feeling? Obviously, 547 00:25:37.839 --> 00:25:40.079 if it's only cramps, that's plenty of time to recover 548 00:25:40.160 --> 00:25:40.799 for Saturday. 549 00:25:41.839 --> 00:25:42.119 Yeah. 550 00:25:42.200 --> 00:25:44.920 So again, I think the cramping piece comes from probably 551 00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:47.960 taking the meds. Right, So if you're sick and you 552 00:25:48.039 --> 00:25:50.759 got the sniffles and you're taking things that are that 553 00:25:50.799 --> 00:25:53.079 are going to you know, stop you up from from 554 00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:55.839 doing that naturally, You're you're taking water out of the 555 00:25:55.839 --> 00:25:58.119 system and it's not functioning the right way. 556 00:25:58.640 --> 00:25:58.799 You know. 557 00:25:58.880 --> 00:26:00.640 Talked to him this morning and he says, feels great. 558 00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:03.480 So that's a real positive heading into the weekends. 559 00:26:03.599 --> 00:26:07.799 So Julio Anderson comes in for Crooks for Maddie, and honestly, 560 00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:10.359 when I saw Anderson warming up, I thought you were 561 00:26:10.359 --> 00:26:13.960 going to take Chicho off because he just continues to 562 00:26:14.039 --> 00:26:16.640 struggle to fire. And look, he spoiled us. I want 563 00:26:16.680 --> 00:26:18.359 to be very clear, like this is his fault. The 564 00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:20.279 reason we're all mad is because he spoiled us. He 565 00:26:20.279 --> 00:26:22.200 shouldn't have had the start of the season that he had. 566 00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:26.839 So they're exactly right. Expectations are what leads to disappointment. 567 00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:28.119 Man, hope kills us all. 568 00:26:28.359 --> 00:26:30.599 I know you've never seen Ted Lasso, but I did, 569 00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:32.680 and that was that was the line there. So Julio 570 00:26:32.880 --> 00:26:35.640 for Crooks instead of Chicho to take us through that. 571 00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:39.440 Yeah, No, I think it's the same thing. I'm hanging 572 00:26:39.480 --> 00:26:42.079 on the same thing I think everyone is. Is if 573 00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:44.519 there's one guy that can create a moment of brilliance 574 00:26:44.519 --> 00:26:47.480 out of nowhere, it's Chicho. And he doesn't need to 575 00:26:47.480 --> 00:26:50.200 be necessarily you know, like earlier in the season that 576 00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:52.160 he might have had games where he wasn't necessarily playing 577 00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:55.039 the best, but in the right moment, if there's anyone 578 00:26:55.039 --> 00:26:57.359 on this team that you want on the ball, you know, 579 00:26:57.400 --> 00:27:00.720 whether it's at midfield or thirty yards out or a 580 00:27:00.759 --> 00:27:03.799 free kick, I'm hanging on the same hope as everyone 581 00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:05.960 else is, like when is when is this you know, 582 00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:08.000 curse going to be taken? You know, when is he 583 00:27:08.039 --> 00:27:10.920 going to step into the limelight. And so that was 584 00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:14.000 the thought behind that. And then obviously what we realized 585 00:27:14.039 --> 00:27:17.720 again with Andal going up there out there and exposing 586 00:27:17.720 --> 00:27:19.920 some of their deficiencies in the back line is we 587 00:27:19.960 --> 00:27:21.559 need to move their back line a lot more than 588 00:27:21.559 --> 00:27:23.440 we did, and the only way to do that is 589 00:27:23.799 --> 00:27:26.400 to play behind the line, in other words, looking for 590 00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:29.759 balls to get in behind, and that's not chi Cho's strength, 591 00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:32.279 and just thought that Chichos a very good pass of 592 00:27:32.319 --> 00:27:35.000 the ball and with Ando running what we'll create some chances. 593 00:27:35.200 --> 00:27:36.720 And then the game did open up a little bit 594 00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:39.000 there in the second half, but we want to be 595 00:27:39.039 --> 00:27:40.920 more consistent with that heading into this next game. 596 00:27:41.480 --> 00:27:43.839 So certainly I would never tell you how to do 597 00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:47.759 your job. I will say this. I mean, obviously, if 598 00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:49.160 you ever want to come in and do four hours 599 00:27:49.160 --> 00:27:51.160 of radio, I'll go run training Pablo. We can we 600 00:27:51.160 --> 00:27:53.119 can do a straight what do they call that? Like 601 00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:56.920 for like in soccer, But it's yeah, it felt like 602 00:27:57.000 --> 00:28:00.680 when you brought brodyon and pushed a mech back to 603 00:28:01.000 --> 00:28:03.519 you know, a centralized midfield role, the team looked a 604 00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:04.319 little bit different. 605 00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:07.400 And look, he's so good, you can move him around. 606 00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:09.599 But I mean it's due or die time, right, So 607 00:28:09.680 --> 00:28:12.400 I would imagine moving forward, you like a Mecca centralized 608 00:28:12.400 --> 00:28:13.000 in the midfield. 609 00:28:13.039 --> 00:28:14.519 Yeah. 610 00:28:14.599 --> 00:28:17.319 Yeah, And again that's a byproduct of losing Bearra for 611 00:28:17.359 --> 00:28:21.880 three games, right. Just to be fair to Gervane, I 612 00:28:21.880 --> 00:28:24.000 thought he did a fantastic job filling in for Bara. 613 00:28:24.400 --> 00:28:26.599 But again, now from an attacking perspective, we don't have 614 00:28:26.680 --> 00:28:28.920 the left foot that can play balls into those areas. 615 00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:33.160 You know, from a more comfortable position. And so yeah, 616 00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:36.720 you know, again, coaching is and oftentimes it's not from 617 00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:40.160 a place of ideal, it's from a place of needs. 618 00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:42.960 And in that particular case, a Mecca, we had a 619 00:28:43.000 --> 00:28:45.920 mech out there to start because of how robust and 620 00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:48.640 how quick they are on the counter and making sure 621 00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:51.400 that we solidify that. But obviously when a Mecca went 622 00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:53.920 in the middle of the field, you know, the game 623 00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:56.920 changed and we were able to penetrate centrally with him driving, 624 00:28:57.000 --> 00:28:59.279 with him picking up second balls, and so our team 625 00:28:59.319 --> 00:29:01.880 is completely different with the Mecca in the middle of 626 00:29:01.880 --> 00:29:02.240 the field. 627 00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:06.160 So now over to the most unfair media question of 628 00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:10.480 all time, because your penalty kick situation before has worked 629 00:29:10.599 --> 00:29:13.000 very well and Justin Glad is the one that scored 630 00:29:13.039 --> 00:29:16.160 the game winning penalty against Seattle. But you know the deal, 631 00:29:16.240 --> 00:29:18.319 when it doesn't work, you've got to talk about it. 632 00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:22.440 And I've heard from you know, we've had players on 633 00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:24.759 the show and then Donny on the broadcast. Now I 634 00:29:24.759 --> 00:29:28.039 believe you yourself, Pablo have talked about you know, not 635 00:29:28.359 --> 00:29:31.079 wanting to have your Okay, here's my five, then here's 636 00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:34.599 my next five, and having it scripted correct. So how 637 00:29:34.599 --> 00:29:37.400 do you approach that situation? Kind of explain that to 638 00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:38.359 our listeners. 639 00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:42.720 Yeah, no, I again, we did things different, Spen. So 640 00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:44.400 I want to get to my intuition, which is to 641 00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:48.920 not have it scripted. And you know, obviously Chi show 642 00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:56.680 Geoger got Anderson, and you know, we had two other 643 00:29:56.720 --> 00:29:58.559 guys that were going to take one in front of 644 00:29:58.960 --> 00:30:03.240 Justin Glad, Alex Katronis and Dominic, and both those guys 645 00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:05.279 said that they were cramping and they didn't feel comfortable 646 00:30:05.839 --> 00:30:07.680 taking it right, and so as a coach, and then 647 00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:09.359 then you go to the next one and you say, 648 00:30:09.440 --> 00:30:11.319 Jake Glad, you're ready to take one? And he said, yes, 649 00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:14.240 you know, And so we had our five picked out 650 00:30:14.279 --> 00:30:16.759 and the Mecca was going to always be fifth. But 651 00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:19.240 those are little situations again that you have to those 652 00:30:19.279 --> 00:30:21.200 are real time. So even though it was scripted that 653 00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:23.640 we had Alex in there, then it's real time and 654 00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:25.799 it's like, yeah, I just don't feel comfortable with Mike growing. 655 00:30:25.880 --> 00:30:28.440 And then Dominic had a calf, and so then what 656 00:30:28.440 --> 00:30:30.799 we need shooters, right, we need someone to step up, 657 00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:34.480 and so you know, Jay Glad stepped up and unfortunately 658 00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:37.519 didn't didn't make his but but again, I think it's 659 00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:40.720 all it's all collaborative. It's not it's not just you know, 660 00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:43.240 me going you're the five. It's it's we had a 661 00:30:43.279 --> 00:30:45.799 five and then when when two guys kind of pull 662 00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:47.680 out and then you have to go to the next guy 663 00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:51.079 and then oh, hey it was six, and so yeah, 664 00:30:51.079 --> 00:30:53.160 but that's that's that's a part of it. And you know, 665 00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:54.319 that's one of the things I've been talking to the 666 00:30:54.319 --> 00:30:57.119 players about is don't confuse the performance with the result, right, 667 00:30:57.200 --> 00:30:59.039 especially when it comes to penalty kicks, because it's really 668 00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:01.559 about tapping in a a ball from twelve yards out, 669 00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:04.960 and for as easy as it is on Tuesday, you know, 670 00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:07.559 with twenty thousand people in the stadium and walking fifty 671 00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:09.759 yards to the ball, it's a lonely place to be. 672 00:31:09.880 --> 00:31:12.160 And so if it's if you're not confident, if you 673 00:31:12.160 --> 00:31:14.000 don't believe, if you're not hitting the back of the 674 00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:15.759 net in your mind before you step up to the ball, 675 00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:18.559 that goal becomes a lot smaller and that that ball 676 00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:19.519 becomes a lot bigger. 677 00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:19.920 Right. 678 00:31:20.039 --> 00:31:23.160 So you know, we'll work on those again tomorrow. But 679 00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:25.720 I think we've seen the last couple of weeks guys 680 00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:29.079 that we feel comfortable, and not that we feel comfortable, 681 00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:32.000 that they feel comfortable stepping up and taking a pek 682 00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:34.279 if it needs if we get to that point. 683 00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:37.920 So let's get into some bright spots from my perspective, 684 00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:40.599 and then we'll talk about Saturday. Then I'll set you 685 00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:44.599 loose today. Dominick Dominic Mark Zuke. You know, the more 686 00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:46.240 and more I watch him, the more and more I 687 00:31:46.279 --> 00:31:48.240 feel like there's a lot to like. He created a 688 00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:51.319 couple of really really good chances. One to diego that 689 00:31:51.400 --> 00:31:53.799 I thought the Saint Claire kid was good. I mean, 690 00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:55.839 you got to tip your cap to their keeper, yep. 691 00:31:55.880 --> 00:31:58.440 But I thought Mark Zuke had a really bright match 692 00:31:58.440 --> 00:32:00.920 for you. Tell me what you saw from your vantage point. 693 00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:04.480 Yeah, no, he continues to impress. You know again, I 694 00:32:04.759 --> 00:32:07.960 think a lot. You know what you see on Saturday, 695 00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:09.799 But for me, it's even deeper. It's it's a young 696 00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:13.160 man that's coming across to a new country for the 697 00:32:13.160 --> 00:32:15.640 first time in his life, moving away from his family 698 00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:20.440 and all of home, and learning to how we want 699 00:32:20.440 --> 00:32:22.960 to play, learning what this league is all about, and 700 00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:25.839 then exhibiting his skill sets. And I think on offense, 701 00:32:25.880 --> 00:32:28.839 his ability to get forward and look for his teammates 702 00:32:28.839 --> 00:32:31.920 in dangerous areas. Has been a real, real bright spot. 703 00:32:32.359 --> 00:32:34.599 And then defensively is graft to do all the work 704 00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:36.759 that and it's not it's not always easy in this 705 00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:39.240 league because it's very there's a lot of transition, but 706 00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:41.079 he seems to you know, hold his own in that 707 00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:44.039 department as well, And so I think with time, you know, 708 00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:47.400 there's there's hopeful that he will be one of the 709 00:32:47.440 --> 00:32:49.759 best wingers in this league. And he's and with every 710 00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:52.240 game I see a player with more and more confidence 711 00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:55.880 and the ability to name for himself in this league. 712 00:32:55.880 --> 00:32:58.000 And then you know in world football as. 713 00:32:57.920 --> 00:33:01.640 Well, several bright moments for Toronto's are left back and 714 00:33:01.759 --> 00:33:05.240 you know, he's kind of landed and solidified that spot. 715 00:33:05.319 --> 00:33:06.880 And I know how much you trust him, but I 716 00:33:06.920 --> 00:33:08.799 thought he was another bright spot on Tuesday. 717 00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:10.039 Give me, give me your thoughts on that. 718 00:33:11.240 --> 00:33:13.920 Yeah, No, I think Katronta's uh, you know, he's a gamer, 719 00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:16.359 he's got he's got a great mindset, he competes the 720 00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:21.119 right way, he's he's he's good going forward and I 721 00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:23.400 think more than anything else, the way he could competed, 722 00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:27.519 you know, against Minnesota on Tuesday was fantastic and and 723 00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:31.240 and and I think that's what, you know, it stifles 724 00:33:31.279 --> 00:33:33.400 their attack on the right side when when he's aggressive, 725 00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:35.759 when he's got the right mindset, when he's winning his duels, 726 00:33:35.839 --> 00:33:37.359 and and I think he did a great job of that. 727 00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:41.000 And so both on the right with you know, uh Dominic, 728 00:33:41.039 --> 00:33:44.960 and on the left with with Katronis Is it's critical 729 00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:47.359 for us to be able to maintain control of the 730 00:33:47.359 --> 00:33:48.519 game with and without the ball. 731 00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:52.200 I was proud of Zach, you know, ultimately, like when 732 00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:55.440 he took that, to take a shot at that speed 733 00:33:55.599 --> 00:33:58.000 in that weather, like he did right off his chest, 734 00:33:58.039 --> 00:33:59.559 I was like, well, Zach's dead. They're gonna have to 735 00:33:59.599 --> 00:34:02.519 you know, like I that looked. I mean, if you've 736 00:34:02.559 --> 00:34:04.920 ever been hit with a soccer ball, it is it's 737 00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:05.559 not awesome. 738 00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:07.440 And I'm sure it's happened to you several times. 739 00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:11.360 But I thought he stepped up in a way that 740 00:34:11.599 --> 00:34:13.920 silenced a lot of people that have just been crushing 741 00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:14.599 him all year. 742 00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:17.440 So little kudos to your keeper on a on a Thursday. 743 00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:20.119 Yeah, yeah, no, I thought I thought it was a 744 00:34:20.119 --> 00:34:23.880 fantastic performance, you know, And I think, you know, is 745 00:34:24.199 --> 00:34:27.360 really interesting because again, the obviously when you don't score 746 00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:28.880 goal there's not a lot of cheers on the on 747 00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:31.519 the offensive side, but the amount of cheers coming from 748 00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:33.519 from that side of the stadium every time he made 749 00:34:33.559 --> 00:34:36.760 a save was was really profound. And and and again 750 00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:40.760 it it it gives the guys the boost that they need, 751 00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:42.960 right because because again, game of soccer is hard to 752 00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:45.320 score goals. And when you're keeper standing on his head 753 00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:48.000 back there and he's basically saying with his performance, we 754 00:34:48.079 --> 00:34:50.639 got this guy's you know, and it stills belief in 755 00:34:50.679 --> 00:34:55.360 the group. And and it's not easy and oftentimes, you know, 756 00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:58.920 we talk about, you know, given players confidence, and I 757 00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:02.840 think this is a really important point with like with 758 00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:06.360 with all players in all sports, is the coach gives 759 00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:08.599 you confidence by putting you on the field, and you 760 00:35:08.679 --> 00:35:10.679 give the coach and the rest of the team confidence 761 00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:13.559 by your performance. And so, you know, when Zach was 762 00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:15.519 inserted back in the lineup, it wasn't like we had 763 00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:18.760 this pow wow and like, hey, Kumbai, everything's great. It's 764 00:35:19.039 --> 00:35:21.119 go out there and show everyone right, go out there 765 00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:24.639 and prove that you belong out here. And and so 766 00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:27.320 that's you know, behind all the you know, the s 767 00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:29.280 says that he made at the weekend I'm just proud 768 00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:33.719 of the responsibility he took and the confidence that he 769 00:35:33.880 --> 00:35:36.679 that he that was drived from inside to show what 770 00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:39.480 he's capable of doing when everyone else thought he was 771 00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:41.639 he was you know that that he shouldn't be there. 772 00:35:41.679 --> 00:35:45.280 And so I think every every game, every training session 773 00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:49.599 is an opportunity for players to bring confidence to themselves 774 00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:52.280 by the way they apply the work and training, by 775 00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:54.760 the way they apply the work in games. And and 776 00:35:55.159 --> 00:35:58.920 now we have a really confident goalkeeper where you know, 777 00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:01.440 five six weeks ago, you know, you and I were 778 00:36:01.480 --> 00:36:03.119 on the phone talking about who's the number one and 779 00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:06.440 who's performing great, and now it's it's clear that zach 780 00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:08.400 Is is a guy that's ready for the moment. 781 00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:11.000 Jay Glad and Oheeda I have been two of your 782 00:36:11.039 --> 00:36:14.440 best players all year and one snapshot PK moment will 783 00:36:14.440 --> 00:36:16.199 not define their contributions. 784 00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:17.599 Did you do you say. 785 00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:19.519 Anything the guys in that moment or do you just 786 00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:22.559 kind of let it die and move on and focus on. 787 00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:26.639 The next Yeah, no, I think again, I don't focus 788 00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:29.000 in on that part of it. And like I said earlier, 789 00:36:29.119 --> 00:36:31.360 you know, I talk about the performance, and we performed 790 00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:33.440 well enough to win that game. And we just got 791 00:36:33.480 --> 00:36:36.000 to be sharper and and hope on the day that 792 00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:39.199 their goalkeeper isn't as sharp as he was, right, So 793 00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:42.639 it's a combination of everything, and so is to make 794 00:36:42.679 --> 00:36:45.599 sure that you know, the PK shoot at isn't a 795 00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:47.880 reflection of the way we performed, and we got to 796 00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:51.440 go out and improve our performance, right, but without allowing 797 00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:54.119 the motions of the PK get involved to where it 798 00:36:54.119 --> 00:36:56.559 starts to detract from their ability to play in the 799 00:36:56.639 --> 00:36:59.599 ninety minutes. And so the focus is, you know, in 800 00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:02.199 the last days has been we've got to win this 801 00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:05.480 game in the ninety minutes and being well balanced on 802 00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:08.400 defense as well as being sharp on offense. I think 803 00:37:08.440 --> 00:37:11.320 we can get to that point. And so it's listen, 804 00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:15.000 there's no lonelier place to be than shooting a PK 805 00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:18.119 missing and then walking back. And so how quickly you know, 806 00:37:18.159 --> 00:37:20.400 we can take the attention off that and focus on 807 00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:24.239 getting back to work and improving the ninety minutes is critical, 808 00:37:24.280 --> 00:37:27.000 I think to the team and in particular those two 809 00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:27.920 players' mindsets. 810 00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:29.679 So you're going to luck. 811 00:37:29.559 --> 00:37:32.960 Out a little bit with weather on Saturday, Saint Paul's 812 00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:35.519 about fifty nine degrees and no rain, and it's going 813 00:37:35.559 --> 00:37:37.840 to rain for three days after that. So that's good 814 00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:40.360 because with good weather itich means you guys can maybe 815 00:37:40.400 --> 00:37:42.719 express yourselves in an attacking way a little bit differently, 816 00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:46.079 Let's start with what getting Brian back does for you 817 00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:48.840 and kind of where he's at mentally after he's he's 818 00:37:48.840 --> 00:37:50.800 taken a lot of heat and he deserves it. He 819 00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:53.079 knows it, you know, obviously you and I talked about it, 820 00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:55.519 But where is his head at and what does his 821 00:37:56.119 --> 00:37:58.599 re entry into the lineup being for you guys on Saturday. 822 00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:01.639 Yeah, I think it's a it's a it's a it's 823 00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:04.679 a great opportunity for him and a great moment for 824 00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:07.119 us to go back and having you know, Jervaine on 825 00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:10.039 the right and and Bear on the left, and obviously 826 00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:13.559 his will you know, he'll pick off or Javaine left 827 00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:17.039 off with his with his you know, aggressiveness, his ability 828 00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:19.719 to to win one d one duels, and that's that's 829 00:38:19.719 --> 00:38:21.719 a strength of VARA's. But the other part of Era, 830 00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:26.239 especially against a team that's really stingy defensively, is utilizing 831 00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:29.360 him on set pieces and and and and letting that 832 00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:31.840 left foot go a little bit more and he brings 833 00:38:31.880 --> 00:38:36.960 that that, you know, that advantage to to our group 834 00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:40.679 from from a set piece perspective. So the other part is, 835 00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:43.920 you know, his ability to play a left footed ball 836 00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:46.400 into a channel that kind of curls into the forward 837 00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:49.320 versus a right footed player that's more times than not 838 00:38:49.400 --> 00:38:52.039 the ball starts running towards the sideline from that position. 839 00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:55.320 So I think on you know, all sides, on both 840 00:38:55.320 --> 00:38:56.960 sides of the ball and all phases of the game, 841 00:38:57.440 --> 00:39:01.159 Vera you know, makes her team a much more competitive group. 842 00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:04.679 And then obviously putting Javane on the right allows players 843 00:39:04.679 --> 00:39:06.280 to play positions that they're comfortable in. 844 00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:08.760 All right, last thing that I'll set you loose. 845 00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:11.760 After studying the tape and as you pointed out earlier 846 00:39:11.800 --> 00:39:14.440 in the interview, understanding that Minnesota is going to play 847 00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:18.239 the very same way, have you been able to, you know, 848 00:39:18.320 --> 00:39:22.559 with your staff, either look at different attacking options in 849 00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:26.159 the lineup or looking at different attacking tactics to try 850 00:39:26.199 --> 00:39:27.880 to because I think if you can just get one, 851 00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:30.320 I think it would change the entire scope. 852 00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:31.599 Then they'll have to engage you. 853 00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:33.800 And if they engage you, I have confidence you guys 854 00:39:33.840 --> 00:39:36.639 can outplay them. So how do you find that first solution, 855 00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:38.679 I guess is a much easier way of asking it. 856 00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:42.440 Yeah, No, I think that's a great question, and I'd 857 00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:46.599 say both. So we've identified both, right, because obviously, with 858 00:39:46.639 --> 00:39:51.440 a change of tactics and not changing tactics, but adding 859 00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:56.559 wrinkles within the tactics, you're going to rely on players' 860 00:39:56.599 --> 00:40:00.400 natural abilities, right, and so so in order to to 861 00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:02.880 throw a wrinkle in the in our attacking scheme, we're 862 00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:06.400 going to also tweak it with with personnel that is 863 00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:10.119 more likely to perform those actions than asking somebody to 864 00:40:10.119 --> 00:40:12.360 do something that they're not comfortable doing, right. And so 865 00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:17.800 the biggest thing for me is when we break lines, 866 00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:19.960 in other words, where we eliminate three or four of 867 00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:23.360 their defensive players, especially you know they have a tight 868 00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:26.679 group of five upfront, and when we eliminate these guys 869 00:40:26.679 --> 00:40:30.320 with a pass is to make sure that we're attacking 870 00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:34.239 their back five and and oftentimes I felt like in 871 00:40:34.280 --> 00:40:37.079 this last game, is we break a line to go forward, 872 00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:39.920 our first touch cub is back, which allows them to 873 00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:42.400 get back into a shape which now they're in a 874 00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:44.440 five four to one close to goal, and it's very 875 00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:47.559 hard to find spaces to to operate and to be 876 00:40:48.199 --> 00:40:49.760 you know, and to control the game in that in 877 00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:52.360 that phase as far as creating quality chances. And so 878 00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:56.039 for me, it's it's really about breaking lines and being 879 00:40:56.320 --> 00:40:59.639 very aggressive with our attack and and and then and 880 00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:02.800 disorganizing their back line as opposed to letting them get 881 00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:06.000 back into the shape. So that's going to take you 882 00:41:06.159 --> 00:41:09.559 a wrinkle in tactics and a change in personnel in 883 00:41:09.639 --> 00:41:12.400 order to hopefully achieve what we want, knowing that we 884 00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:15.280 have great players to come into the game and make 885 00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:16.519 the difference when it opens up. 886 00:41:17.199 --> 00:41:20.039 Well, look, man, I have cleared my calendar. On Saturday, 887 00:41:20.119 --> 00:41:22.679 November the eighth, at seven o'clock PM back here in 888 00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:24.840 our market, I'm told tickets are selling fast. 889 00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:27.039 So you've got an army back here cheering you on 890 00:41:27.159 --> 00:41:28.119 up there. Go get it done. 891 00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:29.760 Okay, let's go. 892 00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:32.440 Spence, appreciate it, Bud, all right, Pablo mash Johnny head 893 00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:35.639 coach of RSL one more shot to create a moment 894 00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:37.079 and find a solution. 895 00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:40.000 Saturday in Minnesota. 896 00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:44.360 For fifteen years, the Big Show dominated the Utah Sports 897 00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:49.000 talk airwaves. 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And I just 916 00:42:35.840 --> 00:42:37.920 want to know that this all happened, because you know, 917 00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:40.559 we got Gordon in two straight weeks with the with 918 00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:44.480 a special nil you know, deposit in his account. 919 00:42:44.480 --> 00:42:45.840 Oh that's good, because I was afraid he was going 920 00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:46.679 to transfer on us. 921 00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:48.760 Yeah, I'm glad we got I thought he could be 922 00:42:48.760 --> 00:42:49.239 in the portal. 923 00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:50.800 Yeah, for sure, but we drew him back. 924 00:42:51.400 --> 00:42:57.239 It's never about the money, oh never, never, No, Yeah, 925 00:42:57.280 --> 00:42:58.280 it's the kids. 926 00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:00.480 It's always about the kids. The kids. 927 00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:02.440 But right out of the gates, we've got to get 928 00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:04.800 Gordon's take. So we were talking about the interview I 929 00:43:04.840 --> 00:43:07.079 just did with Pablo Masconti, the head coach of RSL 930 00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:10.559 and Gordon as you know Minnesota imply. You know, they 931 00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:13.199 implore a tactic where they put eleven behind the ball 932 00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:16.639 and park the bus. As they say, tactically, how does 933 00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:19.400 RSL break down that that style of defense? 934 00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:25.599 Attack, attack, press forward, because you kind of if they're 935 00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:26.599 parking the bus. 936 00:43:26.760 --> 00:43:28.480 You know what, I hate it when teams do that. 937 00:43:28.840 --> 00:43:30.840 You got to you gotta force them out of that, 938 00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:33.599 and the best way to do that is with numbers. 939 00:43:33.639 --> 00:43:36.199 You know, Spence may follow up, please do I'm curious. 940 00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:39.840 So with parking the bush, Gordo, how do you go 941 00:43:39.960 --> 00:43:42.840 about like maybe blowing out one or two tires of 942 00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:43.360 that bus. 943 00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:45.000 Well, you don't want to do that because you want 944 00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:48.480 to move the bus, the entire bus, the entire bus. 945 00:43:48.519 --> 00:43:51.719 So you want to move the entire bus, not flatten it. No, no, 946 00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:54.400 you want to get it out. Yeah, just move it. 947 00:43:54.519 --> 00:43:55.320 And movement. 948 00:43:55.679 --> 00:43:57.639 Well, you know this from all the sports that you've 949 00:43:57.639 --> 00:43:59.440 covered through the years and spency. 950 00:43:59.559 --> 00:44:00.599 You play a lot of sports. 951 00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:05.639 Movement, movement is really important, good form and movement. If 952 00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:08.719 RSOL does that, I think they'll be overcome. 953 00:44:08.440 --> 00:44:10.239 Last one here, because you're a historian of sorts. 954 00:44:10.440 --> 00:44:14.480 Which manager, historically speaking, has been most successful at attacking 955 00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:15.400 this type of defense. 956 00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:21.280 Oh man, that's a tough one because you know, I 957 00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:22.760 think it might be Carl Fisher. 958 00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:24.639 Carl Fisher, it always comes back. 959 00:44:26.679 --> 00:44:28.760 He must have been quite the savant because it always 960 00:44:28.840 --> 00:44:30.039 lands on Carl Fisher. 961 00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:31.599 Yeah, I don't know who he is. You know, I 962 00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:36.760 will research that. I want to research all. 963 00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:39.800 Right, Moving on Craig, Unfortunately we have to start with 964 00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:43.960 just such a sad situation. Taylor Hendrix comes back and 965 00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:45.639 you're like, the dude looks different. 966 00:44:46.119 --> 00:44:48.800 His body was bigger and stronger. 967 00:44:49.159 --> 00:44:51.519 For the first couple of games, he had great individual 968 00:44:51.559 --> 00:44:55.480 isolation defensive moments on jaw on Luca. And I was 969 00:44:55.480 --> 00:44:57.239 telling you that at night there was like four different 970 00:44:57.280 --> 00:44:59.400 There was football, there was World Series. So I'm flipping 971 00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:02.800 back and forth. I get ten techs say the same thing. 972 00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:05.360 Did you see what just happened to Taylor switch back, 973 00:45:05.679 --> 00:45:08.159 do one watch? I'm not a replay when you see 974 00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:11.440 a lego the other way? Guy, you were courtside. What 975 00:45:11.480 --> 00:45:12.960 was it like in the moment and what have you 976 00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:13.519 heard since? 977 00:45:13.639 --> 00:45:17.480 Well, you know, I just my gut dropped because in 978 00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:20.320 my career, I've seen so many of these leg and 979 00:45:20.400 --> 00:45:25.280 knee injuries and I have a tough time and the 980 00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:29.599 truck does too. By the way, Yeah, whether it's network 981 00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:33.519 and what we do locally here, it is a tough, 982 00:45:33.840 --> 00:45:37.119 tough replay. Sometimes we'll look back at it during the 983 00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:40.239 commercial break because ultimately they take you to break soon 984 00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:42.480 after because the medical teams come out and they did 985 00:45:42.480 --> 00:45:46.440 a great job getting there quickly. Hats off to Dallas. 986 00:45:47.079 --> 00:45:50.039 They were there quickly. But I you know what's weird, 987 00:45:50.119 --> 00:45:54.119 Gordo is I just had this weird tunnel, you know, 988 00:45:54.320 --> 00:45:58.039 like look at it is like it was like, okay, 989 00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:00.159 it wasn't the full floor. It's almost like, you know, 990 00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:02.880 there were players and fans, but there was just enough, 991 00:46:03.400 --> 00:46:05.880 just enough of a crack for me to just kind 992 00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:09.199 of go, oh man. And that was my gut inside 993 00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:11.800 was oh man. And I don't know even what I said, 994 00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:17.360 but the after effects of Will's reaction spoke volumes, and 995 00:46:17.400 --> 00:46:20.199 then I thought the most important part, I thought to 996 00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:25.119 show you what the team concept is is Keyante's reaction. 997 00:46:26.400 --> 00:46:28.760 You see a young man's eyes flooded with tears and 998 00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:33.719 then to hold back the I think just to absolutely 999 00:46:33.760 --> 00:46:36.159 cry out loud, was for him to chew on that 1000 00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:39.639 towel for a minute or two or more. And then 1001 00:46:40.119 --> 00:46:43.639 I've found later that those two were close. Those two 1002 00:46:43.719 --> 00:46:48.360 had worked during the off season to really prepare for 1003 00:46:48.400 --> 00:46:51.519 the jump, and they both wanted to be guys in 1004 00:46:51.559 --> 00:46:55.159 their second years to as they say, pop and it's 1005 00:46:55.239 --> 00:46:58.840 just tough to see the what they hope would be 1006 00:46:58.880 --> 00:47:01.320 the future core of this team. One of them has 1007 00:47:01.360 --> 00:47:03.519 to take a step back, and you know, I don't 1008 00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:06.639 I don't know when the surgery, if it has happened. 1009 00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:10.920 I was told on Monday that the process was still 1010 00:47:11.960 --> 00:47:14.199 just the evaluation was still going on. They made that 1011 00:47:14.239 --> 00:47:19.239 public with Will, so they'll probably be quiet just to 1012 00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:22.360 protect his privacy, and I understand that, but you know, 1013 00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:25.599 you just have to hope him the best. It's good 1014 00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:28.719 to be young and twenty. It's a difficult one to 1015 00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:33.400 come back from. There's multiple injuries that we can all remember, right, 1016 00:47:33.639 --> 00:47:36.519 seeing guys who do come back and then some who don't. 1017 00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:38.679 But you have to. You have to in the mindset. Man, 1018 00:47:38.719 --> 00:47:42.599 it's a mental mental game right now. And I wish 1019 00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:44.360 him well. He had in spenced your point, He had 1020 00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:47.679 put on weight, a muscle, and he was defending well 1021 00:47:47.719 --> 00:47:49.719 and he's actually starting to get more confident with his 1022 00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:52.079 three point shot with a little bit more spreading on 1023 00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:54.960 the floor. So it's really rough for the Jazz, but 1024 00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:58.199 also tougher for Taylor Hendricks Gordon. If I could spin 1025 00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:01.159 this in a way that eventually my be positive, I 1026 00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:04.599 can remember. So like Blake Griffin rookie year, it's a 1027 00:48:04.840 --> 00:48:07.119 different injury, but he had to sit his entire rookie 1028 00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:09.960 year and that gave Blake an extra year to develop. 1029 00:48:10.039 --> 00:48:12.199 And what that ended up doing is putting Blake kind 1030 00:48:12.199 --> 00:48:13.719 of in the beginning of his prime when they had 1031 00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:16.480 Chris Paul there and DeAndre Jordan and it was lob sitting. 1032 00:48:16.559 --> 00:48:17.159 They're really good. 1033 00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:20.000 They didn't win a trophy, but they were a playoff team. 1034 00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:22.320 They were really good. And if you look at let 1035 00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:24.119 me just say this, the Jazz are losing and I'm 1036 00:48:24.159 --> 00:48:25.920 here for it, all right. That's just me as you know, 1037 00:48:25.960 --> 00:48:26.840 we've talked about it. 1038 00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:28.960 So if this is the deal, if it's going to 1039 00:48:29.000 --> 00:48:32.079 be rough all year and they knock on wood, get 1040 00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:34.639 some lottery luck. And if you've been watching the early 1041 00:48:34.719 --> 00:48:37.800 returns of Duke basketball, you can see Cooper flag up close. 1042 00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:42.920 I'm salivating thinking about the potential. So it gives Taylor, 1043 00:48:43.079 --> 00:48:45.639 first of all, lucky that he's twenty. Because he's young, 1044 00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:48.599 he'll recover. The Jazz medical team is great, and if 1045 00:48:48.639 --> 00:48:52.239 you play the tape forward, maybe it gives Taylor some 1046 00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:54.880 extra time to develop and these younger players to grow 1047 00:48:54.960 --> 00:48:57.079 and they can gell a little bit more together. I'm 1048 00:48:57.119 --> 00:48:59.639 trying to be positive, but it has happened before. It 1049 00:48:59.679 --> 00:49:02.000 actually did happen in Philly with Ben Simmons too, but 1050 00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:04.440 then something happened with him and he just has been 1051 00:49:04.440 --> 00:49:07.000 the same player. So if the timeline works out, it 1052 00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:09.480 might ultimately at the end if we played forward, be 1053 00:49:09.639 --> 00:49:10.239 a positive. 1054 00:49:10.760 --> 00:49:14.960 I guess as long as the mental stuff comes back together. 1055 00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:17.599 You know, I've talked to athletes before and they they're 1056 00:49:17.800 --> 00:49:22.280 hesitant to ever admit about the mental side of overcoming 1057 00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:23.639 a physical problem. 1058 00:49:24.039 --> 00:49:26.119 And if he can do that, then you're right. I 1059 00:49:26.159 --> 00:49:27.400 agree with you one hundred percent. 1060 00:49:27.719 --> 00:49:30.559 Never as good as actually having an opportunity to play. 1061 00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:33.440 But it's not like it's useless. It's not like it's 1062 00:49:33.480 --> 00:49:36.920 a waste. But I mean, I've talked to trainers before, 1063 00:49:37.360 --> 00:49:40.079 you know, the first guys, the doctors on the scene 1064 00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:43.000 of something like that, and these guys have had injuries 1065 00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:46.559 before and whatnot. But even then, the trainers told me 1066 00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:50.760 that they count on their bodies as this is their vehicle. 1067 00:49:51.480 --> 00:49:53.880 We all do, right, we're all human, but these guys 1068 00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:56.679 use their bodies in their work in a way that is, 1069 00:49:57.159 --> 00:49:59.960 they depend on it. And so when something like that happened, 1070 00:50:00.519 --> 00:50:04.000 it's shocking to anyone, but to an athlete who's depended 1071 00:50:04.039 --> 00:50:07.440 on that leg his whole career, this is kind of 1072 00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:10.599 a weird thing for him to go through. One question 1073 00:50:10.639 --> 00:50:12.840 I have for you Bowler, though, is you talked about 1074 00:50:13.039 --> 00:50:15.119 decisions about showing the replay. 1075 00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:16.559 Who makes that decision? 1076 00:50:16.639 --> 00:50:20.559 Ultimately, Uh, you have to trust producer director where they 1077 00:50:20.719 --> 00:50:23.920 have a millisecond or two to decide, you know, the 1078 00:50:23.960 --> 00:50:28.880 gruesomeness of the injury. And also I think too, you know, 1079 00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:32.800 society has changed a lot from the days of thisament 1080 00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:36.280 on Monday Night football. You remember the match Dicks, his 1081 00:50:36.440 --> 00:50:39.320 legs snapped in half, and how many times can you 1082 00:50:39.360 --> 00:50:42.840 replay that? You know, it's really up to I think 1083 00:50:42.920 --> 00:50:46.760 the personalities of the guys I work with both at CBS, 1084 00:50:46.800 --> 00:50:49.800 Fox and ESPN, and with the guys with the Jazz, 1085 00:50:50.239 --> 00:50:52.000 they have a better view of it than I do, 1086 00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:53.840 and I have to trust them that that's not what 1087 00:50:53.880 --> 00:50:56.280 we want to see right now, especially when the ankle 1088 00:50:56.880 --> 00:51:00.000 the ankle is pulled to the right about four inches 1089 00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:03.639 and that that you know he's got a tibial you 1090 00:51:03.639 --> 00:51:08.039 know break as well, and you know then the look 1091 00:51:08.119 --> 00:51:10.000 in his eyes. I mean I saw all of that 1092 00:51:10.039 --> 00:51:13.239 in a flash, and some people want to replay that 1093 00:51:13.280 --> 00:51:14.920 stuff and see it. I get it, but I think 1094 00:51:14.920 --> 00:51:17.000 they're trying to also protect the interest of the player. 1095 00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:19.559 What would you do, Spence, if you were the producer 1096 00:51:20.039 --> 00:51:21.800 going to break? I mean, look, that's what we did. 1097 00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:23.880 Yeah you did, and I thought it was the right call. 1098 00:51:23.920 --> 00:51:25.360 I don't know if it was my guy travor what 1099 00:51:25.440 --> 00:51:28.199 have you, but like in this day and age, if 1100 00:51:28.199 --> 00:51:30.360 you want to go find that, you can in five minutes. 1101 00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:32.599 I mean I had three texts with the video, yeah, 1102 00:51:32.639 --> 00:51:35.400 you know, within two minutes of that happened. Multiple angles 1103 00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:38.840 that were that were that were shown on on well 1104 00:51:38.920 --> 00:51:41.840 what is no X and any social media outlet. You 1105 00:51:41.880 --> 00:51:44.000 could get your full taste of it. If you want 1106 00:51:44.039 --> 00:51:46.360 to rewind and play rewind it. Yeah, if you want 1107 00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:48.199 to be a masochist on your time, go ahead. But 1108 00:51:48.280 --> 00:51:50.239 for the broadcasting, for the kid, let's go to break. 1109 00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:52.320 Yeah. I think I think there's a lot to do 1110 00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:52.719 with it. 1111 00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:56.239 Is to protect the moment for him, even though fans 1112 00:51:56.320 --> 00:51:59.440 are intrigued to say worally what happened to him? You 1113 00:51:59.440 --> 00:52:02.880 know did when I saw it again, his body weight 1114 00:52:03.079 --> 00:52:05.599 really fell back on the right side of his leg 1115 00:52:05.679 --> 00:52:08.440 and I think that, you know, a little stumble with 1116 00:52:08.480 --> 00:52:12.079 his left toe shoe and then boom it just it 1117 00:52:12.199 --> 00:52:16.239 happens so quickly in any sport injury. It's almost like 1118 00:52:16.280 --> 00:52:20.639 you're dumbfounded and you know, getting back to what you're saying, Gordo, 1119 00:52:20.760 --> 00:52:24.760 I think with this, from my experience, is that he 1120 00:52:24.960 --> 00:52:28.639 won't be left alone. He'll have a trainer working with him. 1121 00:52:28.639 --> 00:52:32.079 But there's a loneliness that sets in because you're so 1122 00:52:32.360 --> 00:52:34.239 used all your life to be a part of a 1123 00:52:34.320 --> 00:52:37.400 team concept and to be a part of the group, 1124 00:52:37.719 --> 00:52:42.320 the huddle that's starting five or the eleven in football, 1125 00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:47.920 and you have to be mentally tough. Whoever's working with 1126 00:52:48.039 --> 00:52:50.599 you has to be special because they have to push 1127 00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:54.480 you beyond your own mind's limits. And I think for 1128 00:52:54.639 --> 00:52:57.599 him being twenty, he'll learn a lot about himself in 1129 00:52:57.639 --> 00:52:58.320 this process. 1130 00:52:58.400 --> 00:52:58.719 Guys. 1131 00:52:58.840 --> 00:53:01.440 Yeah, I mean, this is going to be a mental 1132 00:53:01.599 --> 00:53:04.599 war about how far can I go? How far can 1133 00:53:04.639 --> 00:53:08.440 I push myself? And the guys that work with him won't. 1134 00:53:08.559 --> 00:53:10.679 We won't see much of them in the public eye, 1135 00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:13.480 but they may be the most couple of most important 1136 00:53:13.519 --> 00:53:16.920 people in his life over the next fourteen twelve to 1137 00:53:16.920 --> 00:53:17.559 fourteen months. 1138 00:53:17.719 --> 00:53:20.679 After develop a trust, you do to okay, push me, 1139 00:53:20.880 --> 00:53:22.840 don't push me too far. But when you push me 1140 00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:25.840 and then help me overcome any kind of lingering fear. 1141 00:53:26.119 --> 00:53:29.599 But when you're alone, that's where it can collapse on you, 1142 00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:35.079 whether it's dark places or you doubt yourself, why me, 1143 00:53:35.400 --> 00:53:36.039 Oh my God. 1144 00:53:36.239 --> 00:53:39.440 To get into that mindset, the loneliness sets in because 1145 00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:41.800 you know what the guys around playing, and all you 1146 00:53:41.840 --> 00:53:44.079 can do is maybe watch and you'll maybe hit a 1147 00:53:44.119 --> 00:53:46.760 game or two, or you're rehabbing, but you know the 1148 00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:49.239 teammates will be important too to stay in contact with 1149 00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:53.440 Taylor because again, being a young club, they're all trying 1150 00:53:53.440 --> 00:53:57.800 to grow together and build this championship, you know, hopeful, 1151 00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:00.920 this drive to a title. And now Taylor, one of 1152 00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:04.559 the bigger pieces is out and man, you just don't 1153 00:54:04.559 --> 00:54:07.000 want to go dark places. You've got to stay positive 1154 00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:08.760 and a lot of people around you will help that. 1155 00:54:08.840 --> 00:54:11.960 I'm sorry, I've been told this and I don't know. 1156 00:54:12.599 --> 00:54:15.400 I'm trying to figure my own experience. But people say, 1157 00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:18.199 who go through some sort of trauma like that, they 1158 00:54:18.559 --> 00:54:21.519 many of them have told me that when it's the 1159 00:54:21.559 --> 00:54:23.719 most painful moment is when they wake up. 1160 00:54:24.159 --> 00:54:27.519 Yeah, well in the morning. It could be two weeks later, 1161 00:54:27.800 --> 00:54:28.480 first thing. 1162 00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:30.760 They wake up and they relive it all over again 1163 00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:31.880 because they're used. 1164 00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:33.920 To getting up and jumping around and doing what they do. 1165 00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:37.480 And there it is, there, injuries there, and they have 1166 00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:38.280 to overcome it. 1167 00:54:38.400 --> 00:54:40.440 You may have a nice sleep and no tell them 1168 00:54:40.480 --> 00:54:42.519 what the dream state is, and then when you look 1169 00:54:42.559 --> 00:54:46.079 at it, you go, I'm back and here I've got 1170 00:54:46.119 --> 00:54:49.079 to go back and work again and work hard, harder 1171 00:54:49.119 --> 00:54:49.679 than most. 1172 00:54:49.679 --> 00:54:51.519 Last thing on this because there I want to do 1173 00:54:51.559 --> 00:54:53.559 some college football in our second segment and then there 1174 00:54:53.559 --> 00:54:55.079 are plenty of other jazz things to get to you. 1175 00:54:55.159 --> 00:54:57.599 But do you know anything about Taylor's family? I mean, 1176 00:54:57.639 --> 00:55:00.199 will they be here? Because he's a young kid. I 1177 00:55:00.199 --> 00:55:02.639 don't believe he's married. I know his family is not local. 1178 00:55:03.320 --> 00:55:05.960 And what you said is so spot on, like and 1179 00:55:06.039 --> 00:55:07.760 in the moments the trainers aren't there. 1180 00:55:09.199 --> 00:55:10.960 Hard for me to picture him just being alone at 1181 00:55:11.000 --> 00:55:11.599 that age. 1182 00:55:11.360 --> 00:55:13.199 I would hope, Yeah, you know, I don't can't say 1183 00:55:13.280 --> 00:55:16.280 for sure who has surrounded him, but I have a 1184 00:55:16.320 --> 00:55:19.079 feeling family has come calling. And that's a good thing 1185 00:55:19.280 --> 00:55:23.079 because that that takes care of some of that quote 1186 00:55:23.440 --> 00:55:26.880 darkness when you know everyone else has gone away on 1187 00:55:26.920 --> 00:55:30.079 a road trip like the jazz will starting tomorrow, and 1188 00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:32.960 you can think about him, but you know he's not playing. 1189 00:55:33.480 --> 00:55:37.400 He's either recovering from surgery, going into surgery, and then 1190 00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:39.079 the long process of the rehab. 1191 00:55:39.519 --> 00:55:39.719 Man. 1192 00:55:39.800 --> 00:55:42.440 That's he's got a tough task ahead. 1193 00:55:42.960 --> 00:55:45.159 And you hope he's driven, Yeah, and you hope that 1194 00:55:45.239 --> 00:55:47.719 people that work with him will drive him, even you know, 1195 00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:50.079 to another level that he may not even know he has. 1196 00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:50.639 Yeah, I hope. 1197 00:55:50.920 --> 00:55:53.159 I mean, if there's any chance he I doubt Taylor 1198 00:55:53.159 --> 00:55:54.440 listens to sports soccer radio. 1199 00:55:54.519 --> 00:55:57.599 But if you're listening, buddy, we're all behind you, all right. 1200 00:55:58.000 --> 00:56:00.960 I want to get something from both of you on Kyante. 1201 00:56:01.840 --> 00:56:03.960 And I've been talking about this all week because I 1202 00:56:04.039 --> 00:56:07.400 don't usually get too concerned about make or miss with 1203 00:56:07.559 --> 00:56:09.960 rookies and young players and like summer league and stuff. 1204 00:56:10.719 --> 00:56:13.440 But at this point his career at Baylor, he played 1205 00:56:13.440 --> 00:56:15.760 in thirty three games. In college, he shot thirty seven 1206 00:56:15.840 --> 00:56:18.159 percent from the floor in thirty three percent from three. 1207 00:56:18.679 --> 00:56:21.519 You're one Utah, thirty nine percent from the floor, thirty 1208 00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:24.440 three percent from three. It's only four games, but this 1209 00:56:24.559 --> 00:56:28.360 year so far his splits are even worse. At this point, 1210 00:56:28.639 --> 00:56:31.360 Kyante is twenty six percent from the floor and twenty 1211 00:56:31.400 --> 00:56:33.920 two percent from three. So we just simply have a 1212 00:56:33.920 --> 00:56:36.239 basketball player for about two and a half years has 1213 00:56:36.239 --> 00:56:39.119 shown the inability to simply make shots. 1214 00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:41.480 So you have a front row seat, and I want 1215 00:56:41.519 --> 00:56:42.320 to give this on both of you. 1216 00:56:42.840 --> 00:56:44.880 Are you reaching a level where you're a little concerned 1217 00:56:44.960 --> 00:56:46.440 or you just see a young kid trying to learn, 1218 00:56:46.719 --> 00:56:47.960 uh combination. 1219 00:56:48.480 --> 00:56:51.920 I think what's happened to Kyante is going from a 1220 00:56:51.960 --> 00:56:54.119 two to a one to run the show. And I 1221 00:56:54.119 --> 00:56:57.199 think the immense pressure on him is real. Look, this 1222 00:56:57.320 --> 00:56:59.559 is this is the NBA, and he did have eleven 1223 00:56:59.599 --> 00:57:02.559 assistant yes, and he's trying to do things without. He's 1224 00:57:02.599 --> 00:57:05.599 trying to cut back on turnovers as well making better. 1225 00:57:06.320 --> 00:57:09.760 I'd rather see him concentrate on getting his teammates involved 1226 00:57:10.199 --> 00:57:12.920 than being so focused on trying to be you know, 1227 00:57:12.960 --> 00:57:17.280 walking the ball down or making the three or you know, look, 1228 00:57:17.639 --> 00:57:20.039 it's still I think what Will would say is too 1229 00:57:20.920 --> 00:57:24.119 is it's early. But also you've got to continue to 1230 00:57:24.119 --> 00:57:26.440 get your teammates involved and take the best shot. I 1231 00:57:26.480 --> 00:57:29.320 think the Jazz in these first four games, I always 1232 00:57:29.320 --> 00:57:31.519 say from my chair and big team, I talked about 1233 00:57:31.559 --> 00:57:34.280 it to shoot around this morning. The shots look good, 1234 00:57:34.760 --> 00:57:37.800 there's open space. It's just a matter of the simpleton 1235 00:57:38.000 --> 00:57:40.119 fact of can you make it and will you make it? 1236 00:57:40.239 --> 00:57:43.960 Or when does that come? I sense still, you know, 1237 00:57:44.039 --> 00:57:49.880 this pressure of youth expectations, quick growth. They want to win, 1238 00:57:50.079 --> 00:57:54.239 they want to prove people wrong. They don't talk about lottery. 1239 00:57:54.400 --> 00:57:56.199 They go out and know their careers are on the 1240 00:57:56.199 --> 00:57:58.719 line and they want to develop. That is what I 1241 00:57:58.760 --> 00:58:03.159 hear echoing through the jazz and on the flights and 1242 00:58:03.159 --> 00:58:05.079 and shoot arounds. On the road when you get to 1243 00:58:05.199 --> 00:58:07.800 get to talk to these guys even more so. I mean, 1244 00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:11.840 they're a positive group, and you know it's they've added 1245 00:58:11.840 --> 00:58:14.000 a couple of you know, vets to help them with 1246 00:58:14.119 --> 00:58:15.079 their mindset. 1247 00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:18.199 But Gordon numbers don't lie. 1248 00:58:18.320 --> 00:58:20.960 I think, you know, through four I think after fifteen 1249 00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:25.039 games for me, maybe twenties a stretch. But if this continues, 1250 00:58:25.079 --> 00:58:27.320 then yeah, you may have an issue. There's a lot 1251 00:58:27.360 --> 00:58:29.320 of guys who say, when you're eighteen and nineteen coming 1252 00:58:29.320 --> 00:58:30.920 out of college, you have to learn how to shoot. 1253 00:58:31.079 --> 00:58:33.519 I always thought that was just so ridiculous to point out. 1254 00:58:34.199 --> 00:58:37.719 But in reality, you know, the old four year guys 1255 00:58:37.719 --> 00:58:41.440 had been through the wars, but no more. It's like 1256 00:58:41.480 --> 00:58:44.239 you grow up and develop why you're an NBA player, 1257 00:58:44.639 --> 00:58:47.320 And that wasn't the case during the days of Jerry Sloman. 1258 00:58:48.199 --> 00:58:51.079 I had a long conversation with Jeff Hornisack about shooting 1259 00:58:51.480 --> 00:58:54.360 and he said I got to ask, Yeah, I figured, 1260 00:58:54.840 --> 00:58:58.239 and he said, you go through these slumps and you've 1261 00:58:58.239 --> 00:59:00.639 got to stay positive and he can't start shooting. You 1262 00:59:00.719 --> 00:59:03.599 got to play your game. But Spence, the numbers you 1263 00:59:03.719 --> 00:59:05.519 just gave out, that's more than a slump. 1264 00:59:05.760 --> 00:59:06.880 He's never made shots. 1265 00:59:06.880 --> 00:59:09.079 He just hasn't yet as a player, and so he 1266 00:59:09.119 --> 00:59:12.440 had the one rookie record of ten threes you remember 1267 00:59:12.519 --> 00:59:17.039 last year, and that was impressive. May have been against 1268 00:59:17.159 --> 00:59:19.119 Dallas or San Antonio is one of the two teams 1269 00:59:19.360 --> 00:59:21.320 on the road, but it comes in spurts. 1270 00:59:21.719 --> 00:59:25.159 We're talking about more consistently, and everybody thought. 1271 00:59:25.079 --> 00:59:28.599 After last year that there would be improvement this year 1272 00:59:28.880 --> 00:59:32.840 and so to see him going in the other direction 1273 00:59:33.280 --> 00:59:36.519 at this points early yet, but he's probably pressing a 1274 00:59:36.519 --> 00:59:37.000 little bit. 1275 00:59:37.280 --> 00:59:39.159 You know, I think a lot now the Jazz as 1276 00:59:39.199 --> 00:59:39.599 a whole. 1277 00:59:39.679 --> 00:59:43.000 I mean, I wanted to ask you guys this because 1278 00:59:43.039 --> 00:59:45.559 it's always fun to talk with you. But when you 1279 00:59:45.599 --> 00:59:48.400 look how many points the Jazz are giving up a game, 1280 00:59:48.800 --> 00:59:50.719 how much does that affect their offense? 1281 00:59:51.239 --> 00:59:54.960 So they were last in the league last year, they're 1282 00:59:55.000 --> 00:59:58.599 not last where they're twenty third in both points allowed 1283 00:59:58.719 --> 01:00:00.599 and efficiency, giving. 1284 01:00:00.519 --> 01:00:02.599 Up what almost one hundred and twenty points a game. 1285 01:00:02.679 --> 01:00:04.519 Yeah, I mean, they're one of the worst teams in 1286 01:00:04.559 --> 01:00:06.760 the league defensively this year, but it's not the worst. 1287 01:00:06.760 --> 01:00:08.639 And so Spence, when you were playing, what does that 1288 01:00:08.719 --> 01:00:11.559 do at the other end? Do you feel like, oh man, 1289 01:00:11.559 --> 01:00:14.199 we just gave up a basket here or three or something. 1290 01:00:14.440 --> 01:00:16.000 Now we've got to make it up, you know. And 1291 01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:18.119 then you start pressing and you get out a sword. 1292 01:00:18.519 --> 01:00:20.639 Yeah, And I think it puts a lot of pressure 1293 01:00:20.639 --> 01:00:23.000 on a team Craig that just doesn't have a ton 1294 01:00:23.239 --> 01:00:27.559 of offensive firepower right now. And look, teams are selling 1295 01:00:27.599 --> 01:00:31.039 out to stop Lowry because of course, and Larry, you know, 1296 01:00:31.239 --> 01:00:33.880 he's going to have to adjust to other teams running 1297 01:00:33.880 --> 01:00:35.119 two at him, you know, because. 1298 01:00:34.880 --> 01:00:36.039 He's kind of all they have. 1299 01:00:36.559 --> 01:00:38.599 And even though Will often talks about this is not 1300 01:00:38.639 --> 01:00:41.039 a one man show and Larry's not an isolation guy, 1301 01:00:41.880 --> 01:00:45.280 I think Lowry's inability to make shots consistently against defensive 1302 01:00:45.280 --> 01:00:47.559 pressure is spilling over. And then he left with a 1303 01:00:47.599 --> 01:00:49.599 back is show. I don't know if you have an 1304 01:00:49.639 --> 01:00:52.960 update for us there in and out of shoot around today, 1305 01:00:53.480 --> 01:00:56.079 we'll see. I think it's a game time decision. Nothing officially. 1306 01:00:56.119 --> 01:00:58.039 You haven't checked my phone in the last half hour. 1307 01:00:58.159 --> 01:01:02.639 But I think he is the centerpiece and everyone comes 1308 01:01:02.639 --> 01:01:06.360 and attacks. They come in and scrape him. He turns 1309 01:01:06.559 --> 01:01:09.119 to face the basket or make a roll left or right. 1310 01:01:09.440 --> 01:01:12.880 It seems like again there's another a third defender who 1311 01:01:12.920 --> 01:01:15.159 is leaked by and try to swipe the ball out 1312 01:01:15.159 --> 01:01:17.920 of his hands and cause disruption. There's a lot of 1313 01:01:18.840 --> 01:01:22.159 short shot clocks right now for the Jazz. Giante's forced 1314 01:01:22.239 --> 01:01:26.280 some up Lowry has as well, and again I sense 1315 01:01:26.400 --> 01:01:29.519 panic and Gordon to your question, I think what I 1316 01:01:29.559 --> 01:01:33.159 would say is that when you have turnovers and you 1317 01:01:33.239 --> 01:01:36.920 watch teams run out twelve two runs, then you think 1318 01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:41.079 that immediately that you have to answer that, and so 1319 01:01:41.199 --> 01:01:43.880 you force shots. And then that ball jumps in no 1320 01:01:43.960 --> 01:01:48.199 man's land, that your opponent jumps and runs, and all 1321 01:01:48.199 --> 01:01:50.719 of a sudden in transition, which the Jazz are still 1322 01:01:50.719 --> 01:01:52.800 trying to find a way to be a good transition 1323 01:01:52.880 --> 01:01:56.360 defensive team, then you start to get smoked and the 1324 01:01:56.440 --> 01:01:59.760 head start to tilt, and you got yourself a tough 1325 01:01:59.800 --> 01:02:00.360 ball game. 1326 01:02:00.440 --> 01:02:03.440 Well, since I'm optimist in the room, and this is true, 1327 01:02:03.480 --> 01:02:05.239 I mean I always try to look at them. 1328 01:02:05.360 --> 01:02:08.519 I come here only for one reason to be motivated, uplifted, 1329 01:02:08.559 --> 01:02:12.119 but trying to But even though it makes your job 1330 01:02:12.360 --> 01:02:16.000 more difficult night after night after night, if this continues 1331 01:02:16.039 --> 01:02:18.159 the way it has, I agree with us fans. 1332 01:02:18.559 --> 01:02:20.880 I mean this is that's the good news. 1333 01:02:21.440 --> 01:02:25.239 So so for fans fans want the team to win. 1334 01:02:25.320 --> 01:02:28.480 I get that, but I would say look for improvement. 1335 01:02:28.559 --> 01:02:32.880 Look for individual and collective improvement, because that's all you 1336 01:02:33.039 --> 01:02:38.719 really got and if your team loses, then I mean, 1337 01:02:38.800 --> 01:02:39.760 you don't want to see. 1338 01:02:39.599 --> 01:02:42.480 That, but you kind of do well if you understand 1339 01:02:42.480 --> 01:02:45.840 the landscape, because look, I don't think anybody down there 1340 01:02:46.760 --> 01:02:49.719 is under any premonition that this is a piece away 1341 01:02:49.760 --> 01:02:52.599 from being a contending team. It's going to have to 1342 01:02:52.800 --> 01:02:54.559 It's going to be a long game, it really is. 1343 01:02:54.719 --> 01:02:56.719 And we know the deal this year. It's kind of 1344 01:02:56.719 --> 01:02:58.679 the same as last year. If the pick is outside 1345 01:02:58.679 --> 01:03:00.360 of the top ten, it goes to a k C 1346 01:03:00.599 --> 01:03:03.519 and the favors deal. Now look, I chuckle, because at 1347 01:03:03.519 --> 01:03:06.320 some point that pick has to convey right, but just 1348 01:03:06.400 --> 01:03:08.800 not this year. With the draft class that's coming in. 1349 01:03:08.880 --> 01:03:12.719 I mean, you know people that scout full time. It's 1350 01:03:12.760 --> 01:03:14.880 not just Cooper Flag. They're five or six names they'll 1351 01:03:14.880 --> 01:03:17.719 give you. And if you can add a really valuable 1352 01:03:17.760 --> 01:03:20.840 piece that is a legitimate cornerstone at some point, because 1353 01:03:20.840 --> 01:03:23.800 they only have one, and it's Lowry, who on a 1354 01:03:23.880 --> 01:03:26.239 championship team is probably a two or maybe even a three. 1355 01:03:26.280 --> 01:03:28.800 I mean on Boston, he might be the third or 1356 01:03:28.800 --> 01:03:31.679 fourth best player, but that's what you got right now 1357 01:03:31.760 --> 01:03:33.960 in marketing. Then a bunch of young players and will 1358 01:03:34.039 --> 01:03:36.280 end on this. It does seem like the development will 1359 01:03:36.320 --> 01:03:39.920 continue because for one game Cody steps into the starting lineup, 1360 01:03:39.920 --> 01:03:40.599 I thought, maybe. 1361 01:03:40.480 --> 01:03:43.559 Go John Philipowski and you look good. You look good. 1362 01:03:43.960 --> 01:03:49.280 You know, he had twelve points. He's a stretch. He 1363 01:03:49.280 --> 01:03:51.719 could probably play five. He wants to probably more likely 1364 01:03:51.760 --> 01:03:54.679 be a four. Like what marketing can do. Stretch a floor, 1365 01:03:54.800 --> 01:03:57.840 hit the threes, runs the floor. Well, Keusser's had a 1366 01:03:57.880 --> 01:04:01.199 pretty good start thus far, at least in defensive minds. 1367 01:04:01.239 --> 01:04:03.199 He's got a couple of offensive games. But you can 1368 01:04:03.239 --> 01:04:04.199 rebound the hell out. 1369 01:04:04.079 --> 01:04:06.400 Of the ball. So you know what, Gordon, You're right. 1370 01:04:06.480 --> 01:04:08.280 I think that fans who come to games and it's 1371 01:04:08.320 --> 01:04:11.480 been incredible in the first three home games, this will 1372 01:04:11.519 --> 01:04:13.880 be four or five to start the season, is that 1373 01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:18.679 they're still there. They are still engaged, which I applaud. 1374 01:04:19.159 --> 01:04:21.199 But I think it's the little things. If you're really 1375 01:04:21.239 --> 01:04:24.960 a basketball aficionado, each guy you pick whoever you want 1376 01:04:25.000 --> 01:04:27.840 to follow, whether it's Cody, whether it's Keyante, whether it's 1377 01:04:28.239 --> 01:04:31.639 Flip whomever it may be. Try to look and find 1378 01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:36.079 the development because it's going to come in small increments, 1379 01:04:36.119 --> 01:04:38.199 but then one night it's going to start to build. 1380 01:04:38.719 --> 01:04:42.519 And that's what Justin Zanak and Danny are hoping for. Look, 1381 01:04:43.400 --> 01:04:46.519 this is a new breed of basketball. It's youth. It's young. 1382 01:04:47.039 --> 01:04:50.039 My only fear is you develop them and then are 1383 01:04:50.039 --> 01:04:51.519 you able to retain them? 1384 01:04:52.480 --> 01:04:55.800 Right one piece before you retain them, Bowler, you have 1385 01:04:55.880 --> 01:04:59.159 to if you're trying. Everyone always talks about winning culture, right, 1386 01:04:59.199 --> 01:05:01.760 you got to develop I'm winning culture and hold on 1387 01:05:01.800 --> 01:05:04.079 to it. Can you keep that when you're losing. 1388 01:05:04.599 --> 01:05:06.719 That's one of the biggest challenges and that's where Will 1389 01:05:06.760 --> 01:05:10.320 Hardy I think makes such a huge impact with his team. 1390 01:05:10.400 --> 01:05:12.719 He is uber positive, at least in front of the 1391 01:05:12.719 --> 01:05:16.159 media and when I'm watching on the floor. He understands 1392 01:05:16.199 --> 01:05:19.760 the big picture. His his job is the developmental part, 1393 01:05:19.840 --> 01:05:22.639 and he's going to get you know, his kicks. Whenever 1394 01:05:22.679 --> 01:05:26.079 he sees what the final outcome will be and for 1395 01:05:26.079 --> 01:05:28.159 the Jazz to pick up the fifth year of his deal, 1396 01:05:28.239 --> 01:05:31.119 he knows he's got security for that point. And you 1397 01:05:31.159 --> 01:05:33.079 know in the league that wants to win. Now the 1398 01:05:33.159 --> 01:05:35.679 Jazz are on the same page knowing that it's a 1399 01:05:35.719 --> 01:05:38.800 youth movement. They've been more open about it now, which 1400 01:05:38.840 --> 01:05:41.559 I think is good. Like what Witt finally said too 1401 01:05:41.599 --> 01:05:46.320 about you know, Isaac Wilson, even though he got the bench, 1402 01:05:46.480 --> 01:05:49.079 you know, got the hook the other night. I think 1403 01:05:49.119 --> 01:05:51.679 the fans have to kind of understand what's going on 1404 01:05:51.840 --> 01:05:54.639 and the guessing game quits, because then you settle in 1405 01:05:54.719 --> 01:05:57.760 and say, okay, let's watch together and see where this goes. 1406 01:05:57.880 --> 01:06:00.559 Journey of one thousand miles start starts with one step right, 1407 01:06:00.800 --> 01:06:02.760 all right, we'll do some college football coming up next. 1408 01:06:02.840 --> 01:06:05.559 Craig Bowler, Jack, Gordon Monson live in studio right here 1409 01:06:05.639 --> 01:06:09.360 on the ESPN seven hundred Jahs in Action tonight taking 1410 01:06:09.400 --> 01:06:12.559 on Victor Whenman Yama and the San Antonio Spurs. So 1411 01:06:12.599 --> 01:06:16.440 we get a little Walker Kessler when Mayama Action. Gordon 1412 01:06:16.480 --> 01:06:19.599 Monson and Craig Bowler Jack are live in studio. 1413 01:06:19.719 --> 01:06:22.440 All right. Next week is a big week. 1414 01:06:22.599 --> 01:06:25.440 I've always said it's like the preeminent data on our 1415 01:06:25.480 --> 01:06:28.599 sporting calendar unless the Jazz are in the finals, or 1416 01:06:28.639 --> 01:06:30.840 we have the Olympics or whatever. It's Utah and it's 1417 01:06:30.880 --> 01:06:34.280 BYU football, and so let's get into it. I've been 1418 01:06:34.280 --> 01:06:37.239 talking about this all week, because you guys certainly know 1419 01:06:37.360 --> 01:06:39.480 better than I do. But I know enough to know 1420 01:06:40.119 --> 01:06:42.519 that when I was growing up, it was Lavelle and 1421 01:06:42.760 --> 01:06:45.480 BYU kicked Utah's head in every year, and it took 1422 01:06:45.519 --> 01:06:48.559 like an Eddie Johnson miracle, Scott Mitchell miracle at one 1423 01:06:48.559 --> 01:06:51.400 point to get all win. From time to time, Ronnie 1424 01:06:51.480 --> 01:06:53.960 Mack rolls in. He kind of evens the playing field. 1425 01:06:54.480 --> 01:06:58.480 Then Kyle takes over. Utah football goes to the Pac twelve. Obviously, 1426 01:06:58.519 --> 01:07:01.679 there's the urban pit stop that we had. BYU football 1427 01:07:01.719 --> 01:07:04.920 goes independent. There's all this ambiguity about their future. Utah 1428 01:07:05.039 --> 01:07:07.000 for the most part, has kicked their heads in now 1429 01:07:07.039 --> 01:07:11.199 for a generation fourteen and four, including nine straight, and 1430 01:07:11.280 --> 01:07:14.159 for a number of years BYU fans have heard YOUTE 1431 01:07:14.159 --> 01:07:16.639 fans from their Ivory tower call you the little brother. 1432 01:07:17.280 --> 01:07:20.920 Now BYU's rolling, there ain't no Utah is reeling at 1433 01:07:20.960 --> 01:07:23.039 four and four. And Gordon will start with you on 1434 01:07:23.079 --> 01:07:24.960 this one. I think those boys are coming up here 1435 01:07:24.960 --> 01:07:26.039 for blood next Saturday. 1436 01:07:26.239 --> 01:07:29.119 I think they will, and they seem to be capable 1437 01:07:29.239 --> 01:07:34.079 of extracting that blood. But in this rivalry situation, you 1438 01:07:34.199 --> 01:07:37.119 never know. I look at them like this. Okay, if 1439 01:07:37.239 --> 01:07:42.159 Utah plays against BYU at its lower level, it's going 1440 01:07:42.239 --> 01:07:46.320 to get smoked. But if it plays its best and 1441 01:07:46.519 --> 01:07:50.119 BYU plays at its lower level, now you've got a 1442 01:07:50.119 --> 01:07:52.559 ball game. And now you've got a situation where emotion 1443 01:07:52.719 --> 01:07:55.880 comes into play, maybe a turnover, a fumble, a pick, 1444 01:07:56.199 --> 01:07:58.880 and then next thing, you know, hey, this thing could 1445 01:07:58.880 --> 01:08:01.159 be what nobody expected. 1446 01:08:01.440 --> 01:08:04.480 And we've seen it of surprises in college football this year. 1447 01:08:05.039 --> 01:08:07.920 To not be overly shocked if that were to happen. 1448 01:08:08.280 --> 01:08:09.599 Is BYU the better team. 1449 01:08:09.639 --> 01:08:13.719 They certainly look to be the better team, and that 1450 01:08:14.320 --> 01:08:18.399 there is a collectiveness in provo right now. 1451 01:08:18.720 --> 01:08:21.479 It is rare. I haven't seen it a whole lot 1452 01:08:21.560 --> 01:08:25.279 down there. Yeah, guys in the last decade or so. Swagger, 1453 01:08:25.720 --> 01:08:27.119 it's a swagger. 1454 01:08:26.640 --> 01:08:30.359 But it's a it's kind of a feeling of Hey, 1455 01:08:30.439 --> 01:08:32.560 this is this is for real. This is my brother 1456 01:08:32.640 --> 01:08:35.039 over here, and I'm playing for him too, not just 1457 01:08:35.119 --> 01:08:38.640 for myself. And so when you get that going and 1458 01:08:38.720 --> 01:08:42.439 Colonie's feeding off that right now, you listen in to 1459 01:08:42.560 --> 01:08:45.800 their huddles and what they say, and it's all about, man, 1460 01:08:45.800 --> 01:08:49.239 we got this, We're gonna do this, And that's a 1461 01:08:49.359 --> 01:08:52.079 positive vibe and they're pretty damn good too. 1462 01:08:52.760 --> 01:08:55.720 Yeah, Craig, You've called a lot of rivalry games locally 1463 01:08:55.760 --> 01:08:58.199 and nationally. Things can get weird. Oh, they get weird, 1464 01:08:58.239 --> 01:09:00.479 There's no doubt. But at this point it y use 1465 01:09:00.520 --> 01:09:03.680 a slight favorite in Vegas. It feels like most of 1466 01:09:03.680 --> 01:09:06.840 the momentum is down. So yeah, I would think as you, 1467 01:09:07.079 --> 01:09:09.840 I always laugh when no one would ever you know, 1468 01:09:10.000 --> 01:09:12.880 respond to them as by us, that team. It's just 1469 01:09:12.880 --> 01:09:16.239 just that team down down down south Urban. Yeah, never 1470 01:09:16.239 --> 01:09:19.199 would call them. You know, the BYU Cougars. 1471 01:09:19.159 --> 01:09:21.800 Was at Ohio State Michigan was the team up north. 1472 01:09:21.720 --> 01:09:22.119 Up north. 1473 01:09:22.399 --> 01:09:25.760 Yeah, you know, I think this game right now on 1474 01:09:25.840 --> 01:09:28.439 paper and the way the mental side of this, because 1475 01:09:28.479 --> 01:09:31.319 again I'm we're talking mental today right For some reason 1476 01:09:31.359 --> 01:09:34.720 Taylor and and his his response to his injury, this 1477 01:09:34.840 --> 01:09:36.520 goes the same way for my book. 1478 01:09:36.600 --> 01:09:38.159 I mean, where where is Utah? 1479 01:09:38.560 --> 01:09:42.039 They've already been beaten twice at Rice Cycle Stadium, right, 1480 01:09:42.199 --> 01:09:44.720 And I always think in rivalry games that the home 1481 01:09:44.800 --> 01:09:47.359 field is where it's at. 1482 01:09:47.439 --> 01:09:48.439 That's the juice. 1483 01:09:48.920 --> 01:09:51.039 You know, where are the fans and are they going 1484 01:09:51.119 --> 01:09:54.720 to bring juice that can help elevate any home team 1485 01:09:54.760 --> 01:09:58.359 in a rivalry game like that, I'm not I'm not 1486 01:09:58.399 --> 01:10:01.880 sure if I'm feeling that around town right now. I 1487 01:10:02.000 --> 01:10:04.560 just drove in and here comes a pickup truck with 1488 01:10:04.720 --> 01:10:09.039 Utah sucks BUYU roles, you know, rules on those big 1489 01:10:09.079 --> 01:10:12.199 flag stuff on the back of a one point fifty 1490 01:10:12.239 --> 01:10:14.760 whatever it was, and I thought, wow, man, it's it's 1491 01:10:14.800 --> 01:10:19.199 it's starting. Yeah, it's starting. But you know, Spencer Tay, 1492 01:10:19.239 --> 01:10:21.680 I love rivalry games because you just said it. There 1493 01:10:21.760 --> 01:10:24.560 is still the unpredictability of the emotion of the moment 1494 01:10:25.000 --> 01:10:27.399 because these guys have grown up here. Some they played 1495 01:10:27.399 --> 01:10:30.279 against each other in some ways. Uh, some don't care 1496 01:10:30.359 --> 01:10:33.279 because they don't know Utah, or they're from the Islands, 1497 01:10:33.399 --> 01:10:37.399 or they're from you know, back east, so you know, 1498 01:10:37.439 --> 01:10:40.159 they call it the Holy War, the rivalry Red and Blue. 1499 01:10:40.319 --> 01:10:43.119 I just think, let's go play good football. But Utah 1500 01:10:43.159 --> 01:10:45.239 is not in a good mindset right now. And who 1501 01:10:45.279 --> 01:10:50.399 is the quarterback on this on this incredible, incredible rivalry day, 1502 01:10:50.880 --> 01:10:52.720 uh for for the University of Utah. 1503 01:10:52.800 --> 01:10:56.159 Yeah, no one knows Gordon because we're back to now 1504 01:10:56.199 --> 01:10:59.039 it's Brandon Rose and Isaac Wilson splitting the reps with 1505 01:10:59.079 --> 01:11:00.880 the ones, which I never think is a good thing 1506 01:11:00.880 --> 01:11:03.840 effort eating up to next Saturday. Although Kyle did say 1507 01:11:03.840 --> 01:11:07.039 that Isaac has been hurt. Maybe maybe there's something there 1508 01:11:07.079 --> 01:11:10.279 because he there were moments early on Baylor, Utah State, 1509 01:11:10.399 --> 01:11:13.560 Oklahoma State, and Stillwater and even though Okay State sucks 1510 01:11:14.000 --> 01:11:16.479 and we know that now, Isaac hasn't looked the same 1511 01:11:16.479 --> 01:11:18.399 since then, So maybe he's been dinged up in a 1512 01:11:18.439 --> 01:11:19.039 way we didn't know. 1513 01:11:19.159 --> 01:11:21.399 So it gets back to the question that Kyle talked 1514 01:11:21.399 --> 01:11:26.000 about with Cam Rising is is Isaac Wilson at eighty 1515 01:11:26.039 --> 01:11:30.239 five percent better than a rose at one hundred percent? Yeah, 1516 01:11:30.319 --> 01:11:32.439 you know, and you get into this guessing game, and 1517 01:11:32.439 --> 01:11:35.640 of course Kyle loves living in that space because he 1518 01:11:36.079 --> 01:11:38.840 thinks it gives him such an advantage against the opponent. 1519 01:11:39.239 --> 01:11:43.239 But it's obvious that Kyle thinks that Isaac Wilson. 1520 01:11:42.880 --> 01:11:43.880 Is the better quarterback. 1521 01:11:44.560 --> 01:11:47.119 So if he's able to go and he's able to 1522 01:11:47.159 --> 01:11:51.039 overcome whatever whatever problem he has, then it would be 1523 01:11:51.159 --> 01:11:52.039 he would be the guy. 1524 01:11:52.239 --> 01:11:53.199 Yeah, but the. 1525 01:11:53.119 --> 01:11:55.880 Mystery is is he at eighty five, is he at 1526 01:11:55.920 --> 01:11:58.880 eighty is he at seventy five or is he ninety five? 1527 01:11:59.279 --> 01:12:03.119 We don't really know, And that adding to everything else 1528 01:12:03.199 --> 01:12:05.199 that the Uths have been facing. I mean, when you 1529 01:12:05.319 --> 01:12:08.880 drop four straight, Utah football is not used to that, No, 1530 01:12:09.000 --> 01:12:11.079 not at all, and so how do you react. They 1531 01:12:11.159 --> 01:12:14.439 are used to overcoming adversity. We've seen that in past 1532 01:12:14.439 --> 01:12:17.680 seasons where they really came back strong, but that adversity 1533 01:12:17.760 --> 01:12:20.199 never translated into four straight losses. 1534 01:12:20.279 --> 01:12:22.920 Yeah, and I think this year to Craig's point, because 1535 01:12:22.920 --> 01:12:25.520 I've heard from five different people that have sold their 1536 01:12:25.680 --> 01:12:27.800 tickets that are season ticket alders up there, like i 1537 01:12:27.840 --> 01:12:29.920 don't want to be in the stadium because I'm afraid 1538 01:12:29.920 --> 01:12:34.880 BYU's gonna thump us there. There's like this collective weight 1539 01:12:35.600 --> 01:12:39.439 around Ute football and the fan base right now. And 1540 01:12:39.479 --> 01:12:41.800 it's not just losing four straight. And I've said this 1541 01:12:41.840 --> 01:12:43.920 all week. I get a lot of things wrong. I 1542 01:12:43.960 --> 01:12:46.359 don't think I've ever been as wrong as I've been 1543 01:12:46.399 --> 01:12:50.479 about a team as I was about Utah Brothers. 1544 01:12:50.680 --> 01:12:52.079 I thought was going to be healthy. 1545 01:12:52.159 --> 01:12:54.960 Sure, look who was all everyone in this state was 1546 01:12:55.000 --> 01:12:58.199 pounding their chess Utah fans in the middle of August 1547 01:12:58.840 --> 01:13:01.439 thinking that this thing was going to be potentially a 1548 01:13:01.520 --> 01:13:04.960 playoff game at rise Ecle Stadium, and you could maybe 1549 01:13:05.079 --> 01:13:08.039 smell a little bit more than that. Right with the 1550 01:13:08.119 --> 01:13:11.159 way the new playoff system is, and no one talked 1551 01:13:11.159 --> 01:13:14.560 about byu oh man, the poor guys Downstad, maybe they 1552 01:13:14.560 --> 01:13:18.319 get to a ball, maybe four wins, you know, if 1553 01:13:18.319 --> 01:13:22.399 they're lucky, they could maybe get this the Mickey Mouse Bowl. 1554 01:13:23.000 --> 01:13:25.399 I mean that was kind of the mentality by everybody. 1555 01:13:25.439 --> 01:13:27.039 And they have just run the table. 1556 01:13:27.119 --> 01:13:28.760 I said this a week or two ago. They're still 1557 01:13:28.760 --> 01:13:32.520 the most opportunistic football team. I think in college football. 1558 01:13:33.000 --> 01:13:35.840 Balls bounce their way, they make hits. They're more physical, 1559 01:13:35.920 --> 01:13:38.880 they're faster and more athletic than I think most people 1560 01:13:38.920 --> 01:13:40.119 thought for sure. 1561 01:13:40.439 --> 01:13:42.600 Honestly, they didn't make any additions in the transfer report 1562 01:13:42.680 --> 01:13:44.039 that they made some but not many. 1563 01:13:44.079 --> 01:13:46.159 I mean, they relied on growthrom. 1564 01:13:45.680 --> 01:13:50.800 I'm impressed with speed, physicality, and the athleticism that Klannie 1565 01:13:50.840 --> 01:13:51.439 has right now. 1566 01:13:51.479 --> 01:13:51.640 Now. 1567 01:13:51.720 --> 01:13:55.079 Is that because they're all is one? You know, teams 1568 01:13:55.119 --> 01:13:59.479 get on roles because of You can't explain it, but man, 1569 01:13:59.520 --> 01:14:03.880 inside that huddle, there are eyeballs looking around going we 1570 01:14:04.000 --> 01:14:06.880 got this and we're gonna do it. Well, look at 1571 01:14:06.920 --> 01:14:09.920 when it's real. It's that that's a real deal in sport. 1572 01:14:10.239 --> 01:14:13.039 Look at the receiving corps, Look at that that's a 1573 01:14:13.239 --> 01:14:15.159 that is a really talented group. 1574 01:14:15.239 --> 01:14:17.479 Keana Hill can't even get a target because he's got 1575 01:14:17.479 --> 01:14:18.680 four dudes in front of him. 1576 01:14:18.600 --> 01:14:21.720 And they got other guys coming. It's it's just uh, 1577 01:14:23.000 --> 01:14:24.680 I tell you. It gets back to this, and people 1578 01:14:24.720 --> 01:14:27.960 think it's hocus pocus. No, it's real. When you have 1579 01:14:28.000 --> 01:14:30.920 a feeling on your team that you can win, that 1580 01:14:31.079 --> 01:14:34.560 you deserve to win. Watch what the coaches say to 1581 01:14:34.640 --> 01:14:36.640 the b YU players before every game. 1582 01:14:37.079 --> 01:14:37.720 What do they say. 1583 01:14:37.800 --> 01:14:42.520 They say, you've worked your off and you deserve to 1584 01:14:42.600 --> 01:14:46.079 win this game. And they believe it and they did 1585 01:14:46.119 --> 01:14:49.199 put the work in. I mean, how else that's undeniable? 1586 01:14:49.279 --> 01:14:52.199 Since I hear I think here's another key to this 1587 01:14:52.199 --> 01:14:58.560 this rivalry game. Look, Utah's defense can only do so much, 1588 01:14:59.680 --> 01:15:03.199 and they have played down after down after down and 1589 01:15:03.239 --> 01:15:06.119 trying to put the stops on teams when Utah's offense 1590 01:15:06.239 --> 01:15:09.479 was just butttering and Wilson was trying to understand who 1591 01:15:09.479 --> 01:15:13.359 he was when Cam went down. They cannot just save 1592 01:15:13.439 --> 01:15:16.720 this team. There has to be something and Andy's gone now, 1593 01:15:16.840 --> 01:15:18.119 so we're you know, what. 1594 01:15:18.520 --> 01:15:18.960 Is the new? 1595 01:15:19.079 --> 01:15:21.319 Is there going to be a new offens this offensive 1596 01:15:21.399 --> 01:15:25.479 scheme that works better for Wilson and when this game 1597 01:15:25.600 --> 01:15:27.920 is played, not a lot of time to implement it. 1598 01:15:28.199 --> 01:15:29.880 But I'm just saying, so many things have changed, and 1599 01:15:29.920 --> 01:15:32.560 the defense can't stay on the field all night, and 1600 01:15:32.560 --> 01:15:33.319 they've been injured. 1601 01:15:33.399 --> 01:15:35.239 I mean, and I'm not going to make excuses for 1602 01:15:35.279 --> 01:15:38.199 the Utah defense, but they've had those defensive linemen who 1603 01:15:38.239 --> 01:15:41.000 have been absent certain times. So will they all be 1604 01:15:41.039 --> 01:15:42.720 able to come back and play against be Well. 1605 01:15:42.600 --> 01:15:43.760 Well not by week helps. 1606 01:15:43.840 --> 01:15:47.199 You know, you can get nicks, you know, injuries heel up, 1607 01:15:47.319 --> 01:15:49.600 especially when you're young. But still I wonder what their 1608 01:15:49.640 --> 01:15:52.079 mental state is knowing that Cam who really I think 1609 01:15:52.119 --> 01:15:57.680 had more leadership and love amongst the twenty two and beyond, 1610 01:15:58.119 --> 01:16:01.000 and the disappointment of his injury, and then the inability 1611 01:16:01.000 --> 01:16:02.880 of the offense to move without and put a lot 1612 01:16:02.880 --> 01:16:03.800 of pressure on the defense. 1613 01:16:03.920 --> 01:16:07.520 So the defensive numbers are still pretty pretty good. The 1614 01:16:07.920 --> 01:16:11.399 overall defensive numbers for Utah football. They're about top three 1615 01:16:12.399 --> 01:16:16.319 to five in rushing, total, scoring, red zone. They're number 1616 01:16:16.399 --> 01:16:19.800 one first and third down. They're last in the conference 1617 01:16:19.800 --> 01:16:22.520 at fumble's recovered. They're second to last in the conference 1618 01:16:22.560 --> 01:16:26.159 at fumbles force. They're eleventh in sacks. 1619 01:16:25.680 --> 01:16:29.800 So like the things that they typically do well are 1620 01:16:29.840 --> 01:16:31.600 the things they're not doing this year at all. And 1621 01:16:31.680 --> 01:16:34.600 Kyle always talks about winning the turnover battle, pressure in the. 1622 01:16:34.600 --> 01:16:37.920 Quarterback, putting the offense in a better position right with 1623 01:16:38.079 --> 01:16:41.720 the defense, with the fumble recoveries, the force fumbles or 1624 01:16:41.920 --> 01:16:44.119 a very important I int. But if they don't get 1625 01:16:44.159 --> 01:16:46.840 to Jake, Jake has shown everybody if he has time, 1626 01:16:46.920 --> 01:16:49.039 he's gonna run, which he does well, or he's gonna 1627 01:16:49.039 --> 01:16:51.159 find one of his five like awesome whiteouts. 1628 01:16:51.359 --> 01:16:53.159 That to me is kind of where the game lies. 1629 01:16:53.199 --> 01:16:54.680 Can Utah it to Jake? 1630 01:16:54.760 --> 01:16:58.079 Can they kind of flip the script with their inability 1631 01:16:58.079 --> 01:16:59.279 to get the quarterback so far? 1632 01:16:59.520 --> 01:17:02.840 And when you of Utah football's identity, the word that 1633 01:17:02.920 --> 01:17:06.119 comes to mind is physicality, right, And so when you're 1634 01:17:06.159 --> 01:17:10.520 not forcing fumbles, where do fumbles come from? Every once 1635 01:17:10.560 --> 01:17:12.640 in a while you'll see someone lose the handle and 1636 01:17:12.720 --> 01:17:15.760 drop it. But oftentimes they get hit and they get 1637 01:17:15.880 --> 01:17:17.800 hard and the ball pops loose, or. 1638 01:17:17.760 --> 01:17:20.640 They come in and make the extra grab. They swarm 1639 01:17:21.000 --> 01:17:23.920 the runner or the receiver and they are grabbing and 1640 01:17:24.000 --> 01:17:26.960 pulling at the old pickskin. And that's what Utah has 1641 01:17:27.000 --> 01:17:29.600 been known to do too special teams really hasn't made 1642 01:17:29.600 --> 01:17:33.800 a pop, which has also been kind of a factor 1643 01:17:33.840 --> 01:17:37.039 for Wit during his time up at the U. So, yeah, 1644 01:17:37.079 --> 01:17:40.800 it's it's been a rough year, one that nobody expected. Right, 1645 01:17:40.920 --> 01:17:45.800 But does it change? Does it change against BYU? I'll 1646 01:17:45.840 --> 01:17:48.680 say it, I'll say it. I'll say it twice now 1647 01:17:48.680 --> 01:17:51.640 because I believe it. If BYU comes in and plays 1648 01:17:51.680 --> 01:17:55.520 sloppy football, they can be beat. And if Utah comes 1649 01:17:55.520 --> 01:17:57.840 in and plays at the high, higher level of. 1650 01:17:57.760 --> 01:17:59.960 What it's capable of doing. Let's say it the way 1651 01:18:00.000 --> 01:18:03.520 it is, this team is underperformed. Would you agree? Would 1652 01:18:03.520 --> 01:18:04.199 you talk? 1653 01:18:04.279 --> 01:18:08.600 Yes? I mean, I mean, I'm not talking schematically. 1654 01:18:08.680 --> 01:18:11.600 I'm talking they have too much talent to lose four 1655 01:18:11.640 --> 01:18:14.720 straight games. And I don't care if Cam Rising is 1656 01:18:14.760 --> 01:18:18.079 playing or not. This team has not risen to the occasion. 1657 01:18:18.239 --> 01:18:20.600 And that's where he used to seeing out of Utah football. 1658 01:18:20.600 --> 01:18:24.159 But I'm so can they rise on this next Saturday? Well, 1659 01:18:24.479 --> 01:18:26.439 and by the way, the games, I. 1660 01:18:26.399 --> 01:18:28.680 Was waiting for it, I got it. I was waiting 1661 01:18:28.680 --> 01:18:30.479 for Gordon to get upsets. So I assume you will 1662 01:18:30.479 --> 01:18:33.520 not be there. Well, no, I don't know. Bring a blank. 1663 01:18:33.720 --> 01:18:38.720 I'm not saying so much sad because yeah, bull soup chocolate, 1664 01:18:39.960 --> 01:18:40.920 but it just seems like it. 1665 01:18:41.039 --> 01:18:44.960 Look, if Utah comes prepared and can shed this whole 1666 01:18:45.359 --> 01:18:49.199 sort of a shadow that it's carrying with itself, is 1667 01:18:49.239 --> 01:18:53.640 it capable of beating BYU only if b YU betrays itself. 1668 01:18:53.960 --> 01:18:56.439 So about the team concept you were saying with breaking 1669 01:18:56.479 --> 01:18:59.399 me young, listen to this man, Eight different players have sacks. 1670 01:18:59.760 --> 01:19:04.039 I'll eleven different players have an interception. Seventeen different players 1671 01:19:04.039 --> 01:19:06.520 have scored a touchdown. That's fascinating, that's mind blowing. It 1672 01:19:06.560 --> 01:19:10.319 is seventeen seventeen players now they've touchdown. It's like seven 1673 01:19:10.359 --> 01:19:12.960 running backs for a while, right, But I mean, eight 1674 01:19:13.000 --> 01:19:15.239 different players with a sack is pretty crazy. 1675 01:19:15.359 --> 01:19:16.640 Eleven with a pick is nuts. 1676 01:19:16.720 --> 01:19:20.000 But seventeen different players scoring touchdowns, I mean they're They're 1677 01:19:20.039 --> 01:19:23.079 playing complimentary football. They're deep top to bottom, and I'm 1678 01:19:23.399 --> 01:19:25.399 really happy for that coaching staff because they were all 1679 01:19:25.439 --> 01:19:26.039 up here for a while. 1680 01:19:26.079 --> 01:19:26.319 Well. 1681 01:19:26.359 --> 01:19:31.680 Obviously, offensively they've scored touchdowns. Defensively they've scored touchdowns a bunch, 1682 01:19:32.159 --> 01:19:34.880 and special teams they score touchdown. Man of how covers it. 1683 01:19:35.199 --> 01:19:36.920 I don't think anybody on the bench is going to 1684 01:19:36.960 --> 01:19:39.399 score touchdown. If that happens, I don't think that's allowed. No, 1685 01:19:39.479 --> 01:19:41.560 I don't think so. But to come out and trip somebody, 1686 01:19:41.680 --> 01:19:44.439 and your point is well made their Spence, because this 1687 01:19:44.479 --> 01:19:45.199 is no Fluke. 1688 01:19:45.800 --> 01:19:48.680 But what's happening then in probo is no fluke? This team? 1689 01:19:49.359 --> 01:19:49.520 Yes? 1690 01:19:49.640 --> 01:19:50.720 Did it surprise us? 1691 01:19:50.760 --> 01:19:50.960 All? 1692 01:19:51.119 --> 01:19:51.560 Yeah? 1693 01:19:51.680 --> 01:19:54.720 And I'm willing to admit that the whole conference, and 1694 01:19:54.800 --> 01:19:56.840 I've been willing to admit, like you have, Spence, and 1695 01:19:56.920 --> 01:19:59.079 I was wrong about the youths. I'll say that, but 1696 01:19:59.159 --> 01:20:01.600 I want to give be why you credit because what 1697 01:20:01.720 --> 01:20:02.600 they have overcome. 1698 01:20:02.840 --> 01:20:05.520 They've pushed the Bowlder up the hill. That's what I mean. 1699 01:20:05.520 --> 01:20:08.319 They've turned this thing around, and that Bowlder was coming 1700 01:20:08.399 --> 01:20:10.800 downhill and they've turned it around, and you've got to 1701 01:20:10.840 --> 01:20:13.520 give them credit for that. They believe in themselves. They're 1702 01:20:13.600 --> 01:20:15.720 much more talented than we thought they were. And that 1703 01:20:15.760 --> 01:20:19.399 gets back to that receiving corps. Who Darius Lass or 1704 01:20:19.479 --> 01:20:21.720 is this guy? I mean, this guy is a talent, 1705 01:20:21.880 --> 01:20:24.560 He's real talent. But then you have Chase Roberts and 1706 01:20:24.640 --> 01:20:26.920 you got the other I mean there's there's, like you said, 1707 01:20:26.960 --> 01:20:28.760 Spencer's five or six of them. 1708 01:20:29.000 --> 01:20:32.439 Spence, I gotta go with this idea too. This is 1709 01:20:32.520 --> 01:20:35.560 the fan idea that I have. You said something that 1710 01:20:35.640 --> 01:20:38.880 caught my eye or my ear about five minutes ago. 1711 01:20:39.560 --> 01:20:42.960 You know three or four fans who are selling their tickets. 1712 01:20:43.960 --> 01:20:45.439 Where do you think those tickets go to? 1713 01:20:45.640 --> 01:20:47.479 They go straight to b YU fans online. 1714 01:20:47.560 --> 01:20:52.279 Exactly right. You turn red into blue. You you lose 1715 01:20:52.319 --> 01:20:55.079 your home field advantage if this becomes. 1716 01:20:56.119 --> 01:20:59.760 An epidemic. Yeah, and so that's something to watch. Why 1717 01:20:59.840 --> 01:21:02.359 you fans afraid they're gonna get beer? Spill them? There's no, 1718 01:21:02.439 --> 01:21:05.319 there's not Okay, I've been on this for years. Sorry, Okay, 1719 01:21:05.399 --> 01:21:08.680 so all the b YU fans just real quick, let 1720 01:21:08.680 --> 01:21:10.800 me have one. I don't just make this point one 1721 01:21:10.880 --> 01:21:11.279 more time. 1722 01:21:11.359 --> 01:21:13.760 For all the BYU fans are heading up to saw Lake, 1723 01:21:13.760 --> 01:21:16.479 here's some breaking news. There's not beer in that stadium. 1724 01:21:16.680 --> 01:21:18.920 They don't sell it. And if you're going to sneak 1725 01:21:18.960 --> 01:21:21.720 something in, it's not beer. Okay, so maybe you get 1726 01:21:21.760 --> 01:21:22.279 a little. 1727 01:21:22.039 --> 01:21:24.119 Whiskey port on it, but I promise you're not getting beer. 1728 01:21:24.640 --> 01:21:26.880 All there is are the tailgates, and there's plenty of 1729 01:21:26.880 --> 01:21:30.119 that flowing. But that point you're making. 1730 01:21:30.920 --> 01:21:34.880 What happens if BYU comes up to Rice cycles and 1731 01:21:34.920 --> 01:21:38.279 gets a two or three touchdown lead. Does the home 1732 01:21:38.319 --> 01:21:42.479 field advantage actually become a disadvantage at that point where 1733 01:21:42.520 --> 01:21:44.119 your home fans are looking at you. 1734 01:21:44.119 --> 01:21:44.840 Like you suck. 1735 01:21:44.960 --> 01:21:46.960 Oh, they'll start getting boot birds. They've already been bowed 1736 01:21:47.000 --> 01:21:47.960 up there. They have a couple of times. 1737 01:21:47.960 --> 01:21:49.640 I have the one game that I went to and 1738 01:21:49.640 --> 01:21:52.279 you were there two spence and I was like, wow, yeah, 1739 01:21:52.479 --> 01:21:55.000 I mean there was an empty shell feeling because of 1740 01:21:55.039 --> 01:21:59.159 the high, so much hype, and then the anger I 1741 01:21:59.159 --> 01:22:00.239 think came into play here. 1742 01:22:00.279 --> 01:22:00.600 Gordo. 1743 01:22:01.039 --> 01:22:03.680 You may have written about this, but you know, fans 1744 01:22:03.760 --> 01:22:07.880 wanted Cam and when Cam dressed and still didn't play, 1745 01:22:08.000 --> 01:22:11.479 there was like scratching their heads like why not? You know, well, 1746 01:22:11.520 --> 01:22:16.239 there's reasons to it. Doctors and you know, potential nil 1747 01:22:16.439 --> 01:22:18.760 agents or whatever you want to call them. You know, 1748 01:22:18.760 --> 01:22:20.840 you're they're protecting the health of a player, and it 1749 01:22:21.159 --> 01:22:25.439 disrupts you know, fans love for a team. But everyone 1750 01:22:25.520 --> 01:22:29.399 wanted Cam so bad to perform this year, and dot 1751 01:22:29.479 --> 01:22:30.920 Gunnett got bit again. 1752 01:22:31.199 --> 01:22:32.439 So we've got a four o'clock. 1753 01:22:32.479 --> 01:22:34.279 Danny Knell's at four, so we've got to stay on 1754 01:22:34.319 --> 01:22:35.960 clock a little bit, which I'm horrible at but I 1755 01:22:36.000 --> 01:22:38.520 wanted to get this from both of you because if 1756 01:22:38.560 --> 01:22:42.000 your coach with I mean, there's nothing you can do 1757 01:22:42.239 --> 01:22:45.760 over the final four games of the season to show 1758 01:22:45.800 --> 01:22:47.960 everybody that you are the team that we thought that 1759 01:22:48.039 --> 01:22:49.960 you were. That's off the table. They're not in the 1760 01:22:50.000 --> 01:22:52.880 mix for the Big Twelve championship. But if you can 1761 01:22:52.920 --> 01:22:56.439 have one moment against buy U, you are remembered in 1762 01:22:56.479 --> 01:22:57.399 this community forever. 1763 01:22:57.640 --> 01:22:57.840 Right. 1764 01:22:58.159 --> 01:23:01.119 So if you're Kyle, what's your message to your players 1765 01:23:01.239 --> 01:23:04.399 leading up to this game? Because if you do spoil 1766 01:23:04.479 --> 01:23:07.239 their perfect season, if you do thump them a little 1767 01:23:07.239 --> 01:23:10.079 bit in a way nobody's expecting. None of us around 1768 01:23:10.119 --> 01:23:11.920 here are going to say, oh, yes, we thought they 1769 01:23:11.960 --> 01:23:14.760 had that in them, because they've already shown that they 1770 01:23:14.800 --> 01:23:17.680 fell short of expectations. But if they're able to do that, 1771 01:23:17.800 --> 01:23:20.520 what's the conversation around these players and this team. 1772 01:23:21.520 --> 01:23:25.600 Well, Kyle Whittingham news flash, first of all, hates playing BYU, 1773 01:23:25.920 --> 01:23:29.279 doesn't like this game. But if he's going to play it, 1774 01:23:29.800 --> 01:23:32.920 believe me, he's going to pour everything he has into 1775 01:23:32.960 --> 01:23:35.880 those utes, coming out and kicking the Cougars. 1776 01:23:35.880 --> 01:23:39.119 But and I you know, everyone. 1777 01:23:38.800 --> 01:23:42.520 Knows Kyle played at BYU, But there's enough bad blood 1778 01:23:42.520 --> 01:23:44.439 there and not with Kilany. 1779 01:23:44.039 --> 01:23:45.880 Because those guys, those guys are tight, right, But. 1780 01:23:46.000 --> 01:23:49.760 Kyle wants to beat this team in the worst way. 1781 01:23:50.119 --> 01:23:54.359 So I'll say it this way. 1782 01:23:54.399 --> 01:23:58.600 We will see the best Utah has against BYU, more 1783 01:23:58.640 --> 01:23:59.479 than any other. 1784 01:23:59.319 --> 01:24:00.800 Opponent left on the schedule. 1785 01:24:01.279 --> 01:24:04.479 If they are capable of hanging in there with BYU, 1786 01:24:04.720 --> 01:24:09.520 then then we'll see that truth. But if they, I 1787 01:24:09.600 --> 01:24:12.319 guess what I'm saying is this will be their best 1788 01:24:12.359 --> 01:24:15.399 effort for the rest of the season that Saturday night. 1789 01:24:15.920 --> 01:24:19.640 If they don't, they can't. What do you think that's 1790 01:24:19.680 --> 01:24:20.680 a great point real quick. 1791 01:24:20.720 --> 01:24:25.359 I think will make this their like bowl game and 1792 01:24:25.720 --> 01:24:29.199 try to preach that throughout the week. I think they 1793 01:24:29.199 --> 01:24:33.560 have to strike first. You cannot afford turnovers because opportunistic 1794 01:24:33.720 --> 01:24:36.680 BYU will be right there to say hello and make 1795 01:24:36.720 --> 01:24:40.439 you pay. If you want to sell Isaac Wilson to 1796 01:24:40.479 --> 01:24:44.159 the fans for next year, it's that one moment where 1797 01:24:44.199 --> 01:24:47.720 he maybe lofts a nice thirty two yard touchdown pass 1798 01:24:47.800 --> 01:24:51.000 over the middle and Keify runs it in for six 1799 01:24:51.119 --> 01:24:54.399 and that's it. That would be the Eddie Johnson type 1800 01:24:54.439 --> 01:24:58.399 moment or Scottie Mitchell doing his work. That's what would 1801 01:24:58.399 --> 01:25:01.960 be in a sense of like we just derailed by 1802 01:25:02.079 --> 01:25:06.239 U season, and we just propelled ourselves on a positive 1803 01:25:06.279 --> 01:25:08.880 note for next year. That's what I think they're trying. 1804 01:25:08.880 --> 01:25:10.239 They will try to accomplish on. 1805 01:25:10.199 --> 01:25:11.920 That game, and it would give the fans something to 1806 01:25:11.960 --> 01:25:13.880 at least hold on to, because right now this is 1807 01:25:13.920 --> 01:25:16.880 a fan base that is not feeling love. Great to 1808 01:25:16.920 --> 01:25:19.079 see you, guys. We'll do it again next week. Rivalry 1809 01:25:19.199 --> 01:25:20.920 week will be next week. We'll see that, all right, 1810 01:25:20.920 --> 01:25:23.039 All right, now that's that smark. He has a smark. 1811 01:25:23.079 --> 01:25:23.920 We're happy happy. 1812 01:25:23.960 --> 01:25:26.199 Hey, look, I know how you are to Halloween. Don't 1813 01:25:26.239 --> 01:25:28.319 scare the kids. That's not possible. 1814 01:25:29.039 --> 01:25:30.800 Should I give out an ice cream tonight? 1815 01:25:30.840 --> 01:25:31.000 Either? 1816 01:25:31.840 --> 01:25:34.680 Melts? We've been over but see that's what he likes. 1817 01:25:34.720 --> 01:25:38.399 Melt Hey kid, here, full sized candy bars up where 1818 01:25:38.399 --> 01:25:40.560 you're at in the cove. People expect the full sized 1819 01:25:40.600 --> 01:25:42.520 candy bars and maybe a twenty wrapped around. 1820 01:25:42.640 --> 01:25:42.840 Yeah. 1821 01:25:42.920 --> 01:25:44.960 And all of a sudden, I'm feeling all this pressure 1822 01:25:45.039 --> 01:25:47.439 like I'm going up against b YU next week or 1823 01:25:47.479 --> 01:25:48.039 something like that. 1824 01:25:48.319 --> 01:25:48.680 I think a. 1825 01:25:51.039 --> 01:25:51.319 Finger. 1826 01:25:51.439 --> 01:25:56.359 Yes, good to see you, come back and see me again, Okay. 1827 01:25:55.960 --> 01:25:59.840 I'll say that. One last question. One last question, is 1828 01:26:00.079 --> 01:26:05.640 one full size the equal of two. Not where you live. 1829 01:26:05.720 --> 01:26:07.880 No people are expecting from size up in the cove. 1830 01:26:07.960 --> 01:26:10.399 You know it. I'll tell this story real quick. I 1831 01:26:10.479 --> 01:26:12.039 know you want to stay on. You're a goead. You're good. 1832 01:26:12.560 --> 01:26:17.279 Talk to Dennis Lindseay. He didn't remember Dennis co he 1833 01:26:17.399 --> 01:26:20.079 bought a house on a street. I almost bought a house. 1834 01:26:20.439 --> 01:26:21.479 Here we go and. 1835 01:26:23.439 --> 01:26:27.640 Was gobert in the backyard to build Hi a guest house. 1836 01:26:27.680 --> 01:26:28.239 Is your. 1837 01:26:29.880 --> 01:26:31.319 You can live over here right behind? 1838 01:26:31.439 --> 01:26:33.560 No, there was a there was a house on this street. 1839 01:26:33.680 --> 01:26:36.000 And I went to the neighbor's house, knocked on the 1840 01:26:36.800 --> 01:26:40.119 and I said, and this woman answered the door, who 1841 01:26:40.239 --> 01:26:45.119 was all right? And Lisa suddenly didn't want that house anymore? 1842 01:26:45.239 --> 01:26:49.199 But we joke about that. But I later Dennis Lindsay 1843 01:26:49.319 --> 01:26:51.800 moved in on that He moved like right across the 1844 01:26:51.800 --> 01:26:55.479 street from the house I almost bought. And he said 1845 01:26:55.520 --> 01:27:03.399 that on Halloween they gave out like twelve hundred candy bars. 1846 01:27:01.840 --> 01:27:06.319 WoT are you procured for that? Well, I'm sure, Lisa is. 1847 01:27:06.399 --> 01:27:09.479 You're not going to throw in a life saver, are you. Now? 1848 01:27:09.520 --> 01:27:11.800 This is what happens at a certain time when that 1849 01:27:11.880 --> 01:27:15.399 bag gets empty. Then the lights go out and the 1850 01:27:15.479 --> 01:27:18.439 doors are locked. Oh man, people expect more. 1851 01:27:18.319 --> 01:27:20.840 From you, Gordon, and the windows get soaked. Looks like 1852 01:27:21.159 --> 01:27:23.439 I better go get some full size I'm not sure 1853 01:27:23.479 --> 01:27:25.239 we have them. I was gonna say, you need to 1854 01:27:25.239 --> 01:27:26.840 get to the store. Great to see you guys, will 1855 01:27:26.840 --> 01:27:28.680 see you next week. 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Always a pleasure to welcome in my next guest, 1880 01:28:25.439 --> 01:28:28.279 Danny Canell. Brought to you by bet Online. Check bet 1881 01:28:28.319 --> 01:28:31.880 online dot ag for updated college football Playoff Conference, Heisman 1882 01:28:31.920 --> 01:28:34.000 and Week ten lines DK. 1883 01:28:34.199 --> 01:28:35.560 Happy Thursday, brother, how are you doing? 1884 01:28:36.359 --> 01:28:37.199 Happy Thursday? 1885 01:28:37.239 --> 01:28:37.560 Spence. 1886 01:28:37.600 --> 01:28:40.760 I don't know if you caught the intro my walk 1887 01:28:40.880 --> 01:28:43.319 up song, if you will, So that was a little 1888 01:28:43.439 --> 01:28:47.880 doors by request. This is the end, the end, my 1889 01:28:48.039 --> 01:28:51.000 only friend, the end. And I don't know if you 1890 01:28:51.039 --> 01:28:53.359 saw the movie The Doors of course about the story 1891 01:28:53.399 --> 01:28:56.600 and with Val Kilmer played Jim Morrison. So that's a 1892 01:28:56.640 --> 01:28:59.239 song that's like for the teams out there now my. 1893 01:28:59.239 --> 01:29:02.000 Team or to State seminoles are like the prime. 1894 01:29:01.760 --> 01:29:04.880 Example for that one when you're just lost in the desert, 1895 01:29:04.920 --> 01:29:08.199 you're stumbling around, tripping on some sort of acid and 1896 01:29:08.239 --> 01:29:10.399 you just they're searching for the meaning of life and 1897 01:29:10.439 --> 01:29:12.560 you just want it to be over like That's what 1898 01:29:12.600 --> 01:29:15.039 I feel like is for my fan base, and maybe 1899 01:29:15.079 --> 01:29:17.800 you talk ever late after the expectations, they came in 1900 01:29:17.840 --> 01:29:20.600 and I thought they would too. I think they're searching 1901 01:29:20.640 --> 01:29:23.239 for answers all over the place. You know, the seasons 1902 01:29:23.239 --> 01:29:25.760 come up. It's the end for Cam Rising, I think 1903 01:29:25.840 --> 01:29:28.279 there with the injury that ended his season yet again. 1904 01:29:28.800 --> 01:29:32.319 So it's just like that we're kind of commiserating together. 1905 01:29:32.720 --> 01:29:34.920 And so I felt like the end by the Doors 1906 01:29:35.000 --> 01:29:38.199 was the perfect song to just stumble around, just lost 1907 01:29:38.239 --> 01:29:40.840 and dumbfounded with the way the season is unfolded. 1908 01:29:41.039 --> 01:29:42.199 That is very well said. 1909 01:29:42.319 --> 01:29:44.560 And just so you know, I was hoping my producer 1910 01:29:44.680 --> 01:29:47.439 was going to play the dk in Ny rap when 1911 01:29:47.439 --> 01:29:50.000 you came on. But I'm glad you chose your walk 1912 01:29:50.039 --> 01:29:53.880 up song and you just you articulated where we're at perfectly. 1913 01:29:54.720 --> 01:29:57.079 I guess I'll just follow up. I've been saying all week, 1914 01:29:57.159 --> 01:29:59.000 Danny and I get a lot wrong. I mean, you 1915 01:29:59.039 --> 01:30:00.760 know the deal in this busines. You do the best 1916 01:30:00.760 --> 01:30:03.479 you can to prepare and make educated guesses. Sometimes you're right, 1917 01:30:03.560 --> 01:30:06.239 sometimes you're wrong. I don't think i've ever been as 1918 01:30:06.279 --> 01:30:09.479 wrong as I've been this year about this Utah football team. 1919 01:30:09.520 --> 01:30:11.640 How stund are you that we're sitting here with a 1920 01:30:11.640 --> 01:30:14.239 four and four team with no shot to win the 1921 01:30:14.239 --> 01:30:14.800 Big Twelve? 1922 01:30:16.199 --> 01:30:18.399 Oh, I'm shocked for sure. And I was like you, 1923 01:30:18.800 --> 01:30:21.720 I thought that because I made every single you know, 1924 01:30:21.840 --> 01:30:25.319 conference champion I picked before the season, and a lot 1925 01:30:25.359 --> 01:30:27.640 of them. Ab I was waffling on, like, oh, do 1926 01:30:27.800 --> 01:30:30.840 I pick Clemson or Miami in the ACC? Do I 1927 01:30:30.880 --> 01:30:33.720 pick Ohio State or Oregon in the Big Ten? But 1928 01:30:33.840 --> 01:30:37.680 the Big Twelve, I said, I felt most confident, without hesitation, 1929 01:30:37.880 --> 01:30:41.439 it's going to be Utah. Now I would have said, also, now, 1930 01:30:41.479 --> 01:30:44.319 I didn't think this. I you know, Cam Rising is back, 1931 01:30:44.680 --> 01:30:46.439 what a difference he makes for that team. 1932 01:30:46.840 --> 01:30:48.680 And if you would have told me that once again 1933 01:30:48.720 --> 01:30:50.159 he would have injuries. 1934 01:30:49.720 --> 01:30:51.239 And miss most of the season. 1935 01:30:51.279 --> 01:30:54.399 Then I clearly would have changed my pick because that 1936 01:30:54.600 --> 01:30:54.960 is that. 1937 01:30:55.000 --> 01:30:58.319 Type of loss for that program. So that clearly, you know, 1938 01:30:58.359 --> 01:31:01.279 has kind of derailed the season for the But once again, 1939 01:31:01.319 --> 01:31:03.800 I mean that four and four is pretty surprising, and 1940 01:31:03.840 --> 01:31:06.439 the fact that they didn't have, you know, maybe a 1941 01:31:06.439 --> 01:31:09.399 better supporting cast for Isaac Wilson and he's still kind 1942 01:31:09.399 --> 01:31:12.000 of feeling his way around college football as a young starter. 1943 01:31:12.520 --> 01:31:15.359 That's probably, you know, it's still a little bit surprising. 1944 01:31:15.439 --> 01:31:17.640 They're not at least like six and two. You know, 1945 01:31:17.760 --> 01:31:20.279 it's just it's a surprising to see them with this record, 1946 01:31:20.359 --> 01:31:23.039 even without Cam rising and it's been a I'm sure 1947 01:31:23.119 --> 01:31:25.119 you know, Utah fans are as bummed as any and 1948 01:31:25.239 --> 01:31:27.279 surprise that the season is kind of unfolded the way 1949 01:31:27.279 --> 01:31:27.640 it has. 1950 01:31:27.800 --> 01:31:29.039 One more Utah question. 1951 01:31:29.199 --> 01:31:32.600 Cam He's having surgery this week, Danny, and he does 1952 01:31:32.720 --> 01:31:34.840 have a I'm laughing as I say this. It's not 1953 01:31:34.880 --> 01:31:37.359 funny that he's heard, but he does have an eighth 1954 01:31:37.520 --> 01:31:41.399 year of college eligibility. Do you believe there are a 1955 01:31:41.399 --> 01:31:43.399 lot of people around here that believe that this should 1956 01:31:43.479 --> 01:31:46.800 just be like a good marriage that kind of, you know, 1957 01:31:46.960 --> 01:31:48.920 was drawn out. You hug each other, you say thanks 1958 01:31:48.920 --> 01:31:50.760 for the memories, you walk, you know, you kind of 1959 01:31:50.760 --> 01:31:52.640 walk away from each other. But what do you make 1960 01:31:52.640 --> 01:31:54.800 of the potential of Cameron coming back maybe for one 1961 01:31:54.800 --> 01:31:55.199 more year? 1962 01:31:57.880 --> 01:31:59.840 I kind of I would, I must be honest with you. 1963 01:31:59.880 --> 01:32:01.520 I kind of side with the fans and say, you 1964 01:32:01.560 --> 01:32:04.600 know what, we'll wish you the best of luck, you know, 1965 01:32:04.680 --> 01:32:07.159 good luck somewhere else. You know, go get some nil 1966 01:32:07.239 --> 01:32:11.000 money somewhere else. But we've given you opportunity after opportunity, 1967 01:32:11.039 --> 01:32:13.800 and we can't wait for the future of our program 1968 01:32:13.840 --> 01:32:15.000 for another season. 1969 01:32:14.680 --> 01:32:17.319 Because think of what it does to the recruiting. 1970 01:32:16.920 --> 01:32:19.560 Process, right, you know, either the portal or the high 1971 01:32:19.560 --> 01:32:21.640 school ranks, Like, how are you going to be able 1972 01:32:21.680 --> 01:32:24.079 to get you know, another quality quarterback to come in 1973 01:32:24.119 --> 01:32:27.159 there knowing that if cam Risen's coming back, you probably 1974 01:32:27.199 --> 01:32:29.880 have zero chance to play. And we're talking about a 1975 01:32:29.920 --> 01:32:32.680 quarterback who's missed the majority of the last two seasons. 1976 01:32:32.680 --> 01:32:35.479 There's no guarantee that if he does come back, if 1977 01:32:35.479 --> 01:32:37.800 he's going to be healthy enough to you know, to 1978 01:32:37.880 --> 01:32:41.079 keep to be healthy to start for twelve games with 1979 01:32:41.159 --> 01:32:44.239 college football season. So my Hunts tells me I have 1980 01:32:44.359 --> 01:32:47.079 no inside intel. I just almost feel like that's what 1981 01:32:47.239 --> 01:32:49.960 the Utah coaching staff would kind of want as well. 1982 01:32:50.399 --> 01:32:54.359 Like in college football there I we're going in this 1983 01:32:54.399 --> 01:32:57.279 direction work for seeing seventh or eight year players. Miami 1984 01:32:57.319 --> 01:32:58.840 has a tight end down and you know, for the 1985 01:32:58.920 --> 01:33:02.119 Hurricanes that's in his year of eligibility. It's getting a 1986 01:33:02.119 --> 01:33:04.760 little bit ridiculous. At some point, I think you just 1987 01:33:04.800 --> 01:33:06.720 got to say it's time, and I feel like that's 1988 01:33:06.720 --> 01:33:09.680 what both sides will do. I think cam Rising might 1989 01:33:09.720 --> 01:33:12.199 want to go try his hands somewhere else, maybe a fresh. 1990 01:33:12.039 --> 01:33:13.000 You know, change of scenery. 1991 01:33:13.199 --> 01:33:15.680 But I also think Utah would probably take the same angle, 1992 01:33:15.760 --> 01:33:18.359 be like, we've really appreciated you putting your body on 1993 01:33:18.399 --> 01:33:20.239 the line for us. But I think it's best in 1994 01:33:20.359 --> 01:33:23.159 both interests, you know, best both parties interest if we 1995 01:33:23.239 --> 01:33:24.520 both go in different directions. 1996 01:33:24.560 --> 01:33:26.560 So I think you'll be really good to provide some 1997 01:33:26.600 --> 01:33:30.439 context here because you reference Isaac. Isaac is eighteen years old. 1998 01:33:30.640 --> 01:33:35.000 He enrolled in April. You had the opportunity and as 1999 01:33:35.039 --> 01:33:37.560 a Knicks fan in the nineties, Charlie Ward is my guy. 2000 01:33:37.720 --> 01:33:41.079 You had the opportunity as a freshman to watch potentially 2001 01:33:41.119 --> 01:33:44.119 the best quarterback in college football, and their plan was 2002 01:33:44.119 --> 01:33:47.079 for Isaac to watch camera and then potentially take over. 2003 01:33:47.560 --> 01:33:49.880 How hard is it, as someone who's never done this 2004 01:33:49.960 --> 01:33:51.920 before at the age of eighteen, to be tasked with 2005 01:33:52.000 --> 01:33:53.720 leading a team that was one of the favorites to 2006 01:33:53.800 --> 01:33:54.560 win the Big Twelve. 2007 01:33:55.680 --> 01:33:56.439 It's so hard. 2008 01:33:56.479 --> 01:33:58.479 And we you know, we we I say we, I said, 2009 01:33:58.560 --> 01:34:04.039 you know, analysts, football personalities, fan bases, we put so 2010 01:34:04.199 --> 01:34:08.359 much pressure on young players to come in produce right away, 2011 01:34:08.880 --> 01:34:11.199 and it's really ridiculous to think that, you know, a 2012 01:34:11.239 --> 01:34:14.279 true freshman could come in and contribute and be somebody 2013 01:34:14.279 --> 01:34:17.079 who can lead your team, you know, to a twelfth 2014 01:34:17.119 --> 01:34:20.600 title or championship game, and you're just gonna see a 2015 01:34:20.640 --> 01:34:21.880 lot of mistakes that are made. 2016 01:34:21.960 --> 01:34:23.279 That's totally normal. 2017 01:34:23.680 --> 01:34:26.119 And yet we treat these young players like, oh my gosh, 2018 01:34:26.199 --> 01:34:27.880 this kid's not going to be as good as we thought, 2019 01:34:28.039 --> 01:34:29.800 or you know, and I know there's a connection with 2020 01:34:29.880 --> 01:34:32.119 his brother, and his brother's career didn't pan out in 2021 01:34:32.119 --> 01:34:34.680 the NFL, so there's all here goes another Wilson that's 2022 01:34:34.680 --> 01:34:37.119 going to be a bust. It's so much pressure and 2023 01:34:37.119 --> 01:34:39.960 it's not fair, but it's the very harsh reality of 2024 01:34:40.239 --> 01:34:42.479 life in you know, college football today. And you know 2025 01:34:42.560 --> 01:34:44.600 what's interesting is, you know, talking about Cam Rising and 2026 01:34:44.640 --> 01:34:46.720 when he come back, if he comes back, are you 2027 01:34:46.760 --> 01:34:47.960 sure that Isaac would come back? 2028 01:34:48.000 --> 01:34:48.800 You know, does he want to? 2029 01:34:48.840 --> 01:34:51.119 You know now that he's got a little taste of playing. 2030 01:34:51.159 --> 01:34:53.479 And he is developing and he is hopefully getting better 2031 01:34:53.479 --> 01:34:55.239 and better each week, and he's made some of these 2032 01:34:55.239 --> 01:34:58.119 freshman mistakes you might lose him in the portal. Some 2033 01:34:58.159 --> 01:35:00.800 of the other you know, schools see a flash and say, oh, 2034 01:35:00.840 --> 01:35:03.359 this kid is pretty talented. He was pretty sought after guy. 2035 01:35:03.760 --> 01:35:05.079 Maybe we can go get him. 2036 01:35:05.319 --> 01:35:06.039 It might make it. 2037 01:35:06.000 --> 01:35:08.399 Harder to keep Isaac Wilson if cam Risen came back. 2038 01:35:08.439 --> 01:35:10.640 So there's a lot that goes into it, but. 2039 01:35:10.680 --> 01:35:11.199 It is man. 2040 01:35:11.239 --> 01:35:15.000 I was a player who was completely in over my head. 2041 01:35:15.000 --> 01:35:16.680 I mean I was making sure I got the snap 2042 01:35:16.760 --> 01:35:18.560 and went the right way on handoffs to. 2043 01:35:18.479 --> 01:35:20.119 Make sure the run was going the right way. 2044 01:35:20.359 --> 01:35:22.479 And now you talk about quarterbacks who have so much 2045 01:35:22.479 --> 01:35:25.079 on their plate at the line of scrimmage, running systems 2046 01:35:25.119 --> 01:35:29.119 that are way more complex, facing defensive coordinators that are gonna. 2047 01:35:28.920 --> 01:35:30.079 Throw a lot more at you. 2048 01:35:30.600 --> 01:35:33.279 It's so hard, and yet we have such high expectations. 2049 01:35:33.319 --> 01:35:36.039 It's really not fair to younger players that are thrust 2050 01:35:36.039 --> 01:35:36.479 into action. 2051 01:35:37.159 --> 01:35:37.680 Is it true? 2052 01:35:37.760 --> 01:35:39.520 I need to fact check here. Is it true that 2053 01:35:39.640 --> 01:35:42.000 you were the backup to Charlie Ward? And then the 2054 01:35:42.039 --> 01:35:44.319 other backup was a guy named John Stark. 2055 01:35:46.119 --> 01:35:50.920 So my freshman year, I was a true freshman. 2056 01:35:50.920 --> 01:35:52.399 And I was the backup. 2057 01:35:52.520 --> 01:35:56.000 And then my sophomore year, John Stark came in and 2058 01:35:56.039 --> 01:35:58.800 he was the like the third string, but we would 2059 01:35:58.840 --> 01:36:01.680 swap in and out some time late game situations because 2060 01:36:01.680 --> 01:36:04.520 they want us both to get experienced while then we 2061 01:36:04.560 --> 01:36:08.319 would compete for the job the spring after that sophomore year. 2062 01:36:08.359 --> 01:36:09.600 So yeah, he was on the team with us. 2063 01:36:09.640 --> 01:36:11.039 John Stark, yeah, for sure. 2064 01:36:11.000 --> 01:36:11.840 Was the tight end name. 2065 01:36:12.000 --> 01:36:14.479 Charles Oakley like, this is wild to me that we 2066 01:36:14.560 --> 01:36:17.680 have all these ninety Nick references on one team. 2067 01:36:18.319 --> 01:36:18.840 That's right. 2068 01:36:18.960 --> 01:36:19.560 I forgot. 2069 01:36:19.920 --> 01:36:21.520 I was wondering where you were going at I'm like, 2070 01:36:21.520 --> 01:36:23.199 how the heck does he know John Stark? But yes, 2071 01:36:23.279 --> 01:36:25.600 if you looked at the roster, that is pretty wild. 2072 01:36:25.680 --> 01:36:28.359 And the Knicks connection, especially where Charlie ended up and 2073 01:36:28.439 --> 01:36:29.600 of course had a great career. 2074 01:36:29.800 --> 01:36:31.359 How about this for a Knicks connection. 2075 01:36:31.439 --> 01:36:33.560 One of my golfing buddies who I golf with almost 2076 01:36:33.560 --> 01:36:36.960 once a week is Greg Anthony, former UNLV running rep 2077 01:36:37.000 --> 01:36:39.039 and New York Nick who's a great guy and a 2078 01:36:39.079 --> 01:36:39.880 pretty good golfer. 2079 01:36:39.920 --> 01:36:41.920 Every once in a while he takes them money, which I'm. 2080 01:36:41.800 --> 01:36:42.600 Not too happy about. 2081 01:36:42.720 --> 01:36:44.800 I know, Greg, please tell him I said hello next 2082 01:36:44.800 --> 01:36:45.479 time you GOLFO. 2083 01:36:45.680 --> 01:36:47.680 That's awesome, awesome, good guy. 2084 01:36:47.800 --> 01:36:50.600 So, Danny, the irony where we find ourselves here in States. 2085 01:36:50.640 --> 01:36:53.079 I thought Utah would have a high powered offense. I 2086 01:36:53.119 --> 01:36:56.319 thought they'd have a physical, dominant defense. I thought they'd 2087 01:36:56.319 --> 01:36:58.560 be dialed in on special teams. I thought the stadium 2088 01:36:58.600 --> 01:37:00.880 wo'd be going crazy. I thought they'd be in the 2089 01:37:00.880 --> 01:37:03.640 mix to win the Big Twelve. Well, all that's happening 2090 01:37:03.640 --> 01:37:06.600 about forty miles south as the crow flies. What do 2091 01:37:06.600 --> 01:37:08.800 you make of this undefeated BYU Cougar team. 2092 01:37:09.640 --> 01:37:12.680 It's been awesome, What a great story. And you know, 2093 01:37:12.960 --> 01:37:15.239 I love both of the coaches in this matchup. Like 2094 01:37:15.319 --> 01:37:17.000 Kyle Winningham, I can't say enough how. 2095 01:37:16.920 --> 01:37:19.279 Much I respect him and the job he's done in Utah. 2096 01:37:19.359 --> 01:37:21.720 In Colonie, Sataki at BYU, I would say. 2097 01:37:21.520 --> 01:37:22.119 The same thing. 2098 01:37:22.159 --> 01:37:25.199 He's one of the more liked, well liked, well respected 2099 01:37:25.239 --> 01:37:29.159 coaches in college football. And what's crazy, it's how we've 2100 01:37:29.159 --> 01:37:31.840 seen this role reversal just in the course of the season. Because, 2101 01:37:31.880 --> 01:37:34.840 as you mentioned, Utah was the heavy favorite BYU. I 2102 01:37:34.840 --> 01:37:36.960 think their win total was probably four and a half, 2103 01:37:37.119 --> 01:37:41.159 like very low expectations with them coming into the Big Twelve. 2104 01:37:41.199 --> 01:37:43.239 And you know last year was a little bit bumpy, 2105 01:37:43.520 --> 01:37:45.920 but no one saw the year that Jake retslaf having 2106 01:37:45.960 --> 01:37:48.560 and he's playing great football as the quarterback. Who's this 2107 01:37:48.920 --> 01:37:51.560 incredible story, which you know it's starting to take root 2108 01:37:51.600 --> 01:37:54.720 across college football recognizing a Jewish player playing at a 2109 01:37:54.760 --> 01:37:57.359 Mormon school. It's been a ton of fun. But what 2110 01:37:57.439 --> 01:37:58.960 I wanted people to know is how what. 2111 01:37:59.239 --> 01:38:00.760 A good football team this is. 2112 01:38:01.199 --> 01:38:03.760 And people can keep doubting them, keep doubting them, but 2113 01:38:03.800 --> 01:38:07.760 they keep proven the critics wrong. They creep keep proving 2114 01:38:07.800 --> 01:38:10.119 the oddsmakers wrong, like they did last week when it 2115 01:38:10.239 --> 01:38:12.920 closed and they were an underdog at UCF, and they 2116 01:38:12.960 --> 01:38:15.119 go out there and pretty much spank them and run 2117 01:38:15.159 --> 01:38:17.640 them off the field so much that UCF is firing 2118 01:38:17.720 --> 01:38:21.159 people and you know, switching play callers. This BYU team 2119 01:38:21.239 --> 01:38:23.520 has one of the better resumes in the whole country 2120 01:38:23.520 --> 01:38:25.680 as far as games they've won. And I wouldn't be 2121 01:38:25.680 --> 01:38:27.199 surprised at all if they're one of the teams at 2122 01:38:27.239 --> 01:38:29.159 the end it's playing for the Big twelve championship? 2123 01:38:29.359 --> 01:38:31.840 Am I seeing on the DK Top ten? You have 2124 01:38:31.920 --> 01:38:33.560 BYU at four right now? 2125 01:38:34.319 --> 01:38:37.720 Absolutely if you look at their strength of records. So 2126 01:38:37.760 --> 01:38:38.920 now the other thing. 2127 01:38:38.800 --> 01:38:40.319 Too is my top twelve. 2128 01:38:40.520 --> 01:38:42.359 I like to do it the way I think it 2129 01:38:42.399 --> 01:38:45.319 should be done. Where it is not forward looking. It's 2130 01:38:45.319 --> 01:38:46.319 not a power ranking. 2131 01:38:46.359 --> 01:38:47.680 It's not who do you think is going to be 2132 01:38:47.720 --> 01:38:48.039 there at. 2133 01:38:48.000 --> 01:38:50.199 The end, it's who deserves to be in the top 2134 01:38:50.199 --> 01:38:53.720 twelve right now. And when you look at BYU schedule 2135 01:38:54.039 --> 01:38:55.680 through this part of the season, we're at. 2136 01:38:55.560 --> 01:38:56.439 Seven and eight games. 2137 01:38:56.520 --> 01:38:59.239 We only have one more month of the season left. 2138 01:38:59.439 --> 01:39:02.159 When you've play and beaten this many teams, to me, 2139 01:39:02.199 --> 01:39:04.000 it means you're one of the best teams in the country. 2140 01:39:04.000 --> 01:39:06.279 And I know, we get cute with, well, this team 2141 01:39:06.319 --> 01:39:08.920 has a good loss, and Notre Dame fans are mad 2142 01:39:08.960 --> 01:39:11.399 at me because their win against A and M was 2143 01:39:11.439 --> 01:39:14.079 better than any BYU you know win, And I'm like, well, 2144 01:39:14.119 --> 01:39:17.319 what about Notre Dame's loss they lost to Northern Illinois. 2145 01:39:17.439 --> 01:39:20.279 That's something that BYU hasn't done to anybody. So I 2146 01:39:20.319 --> 01:39:22.079 want to make sure they get the credit they deserve 2147 01:39:22.159 --> 01:39:25.079 for winning games on the football field. And if they do, 2148 01:39:25.239 --> 01:39:28.039 I think they'll finally get respect from the College Football 2149 01:39:28.079 --> 01:39:31.319 Selection Committee from other people that have them a little 2150 01:39:31.359 --> 01:39:33.239 bit lower and they, you know, kind of doubt them 2151 01:39:33.279 --> 01:39:36.000 and say, well, you know, let's see, because Georgia still 2152 01:39:36.000 --> 01:39:39.199 looks really good and George's team that's a traditional blue blood. 2153 01:39:39.239 --> 01:39:41.520 And same thing with Alabama with two losses, Well they 2154 01:39:41.520 --> 01:39:44.640 have two good losses. I get so tired of hearing 2155 01:39:44.680 --> 01:39:47.399 that garbage. Show me a team that learns and finds 2156 01:39:47.399 --> 01:39:49.399 out ways to win, and I'll put them up there 2157 01:39:49.439 --> 01:39:51.000 at the top of the rankings where they belong. 2158 01:39:51.239 --> 01:39:53.680 So talk to me about the dynamic Danny of a 2159 01:39:53.800 --> 01:39:56.920 rivalry game, which is where we find ourselves here next 2160 01:39:56.920 --> 01:39:59.439 week with BYU rolling in a salt lake. I believe 2161 01:39:59.520 --> 01:40:03.119 last night BYU is still a slight favorite. And your 2162 01:40:03.239 --> 01:40:07.159 guy that played in an era where FSU Miami was 2163 01:40:07.239 --> 01:40:09.760 like the biggest rivalry you could find. And that was 2164 01:40:09.880 --> 01:40:12.840 when I grew up learning to love college football and 2165 01:40:12.920 --> 01:40:15.880 ultimately for Utah. And you know the deal. If you 2166 01:40:15.960 --> 01:40:18.359 have if you have the ability to rise up and 2167 01:40:18.399 --> 01:40:21.720 be great in one moment against your rival, you will 2168 01:40:21.760 --> 01:40:24.880 be remembered in the community forever, even if you're playing 2169 01:40:24.920 --> 01:40:27.800 for a team that has not lived up to expectations. 2170 01:40:28.000 --> 01:40:30.880 And we've seen this game get weird so many times. 2171 01:40:30.880 --> 01:40:34.079 So Brigham Young rolls up here undefeated Utah reeling any 2172 01:40:34.079 --> 01:40:35.800 thoughts on what we could see next Saturday. 2173 01:40:36.760 --> 01:40:39.319 Totally Spence, and you nailed it the one thing I 2174 01:40:39.439 --> 01:40:41.920 never was in very and I'm very thankful for this. 2175 01:40:42.000 --> 01:40:45.439 And we had two rivals because we had Miami and 2176 01:40:45.479 --> 01:40:47.359 we had Florida, and they were both in the state. 2177 01:40:47.399 --> 01:40:49.680 And there was a saying that said, the National Championship 2178 01:40:50.039 --> 01:40:51.960 runs through the state of Florida, because there was a 2179 01:40:52.039 --> 01:40:54.640 really good chance one of the three schools was going 2180 01:40:54.720 --> 01:40:56.800 to be playing in the National Championship Game once the 2181 01:40:56.800 --> 01:41:00.159 season ended. But they always met more and most most 2182 01:41:00.159 --> 01:41:02.319 of the time it met. Our season was either going 2183 01:41:02.359 --> 01:41:04.199 to be a championship season or it was going to 2184 01:41:04.239 --> 01:41:07.600 fall short of those expectations. What I had never experienced 2185 01:41:07.720 --> 01:41:10.800 was what Utah is experiencing now, where really what they're 2186 01:41:10.800 --> 01:41:11.479 playing for is. 2187 01:41:11.399 --> 01:41:13.560 The role of spoiler, right, and they would love. 2188 01:41:13.479 --> 01:41:17.720 Nothing more than to ruin by us great storybook season. 2189 01:41:18.119 --> 01:41:20.279 And the thing, the other thing that really adds some 2190 01:41:20.319 --> 01:41:22.640 fuel to the fire is that a lot of these players, 2191 01:41:22.960 --> 01:41:25.039 you know, some of them grew up playing against each other, 2192 01:41:25.159 --> 01:41:27.800 whether it was in high school or seven on seven leagues. 2193 01:41:28.000 --> 01:41:30.760 They're recruited by the same schools, you know, they run 2194 01:41:30.800 --> 01:41:33.239 in the same circles, and now more than ever, they 2195 01:41:33.239 --> 01:41:35.880 get to know each other because of social media. Because 2196 01:41:35.960 --> 01:41:39.760 you just you cross each other's paths and you develop relationships. 2197 01:41:39.920 --> 01:41:42.720 So it's almost like playing against some of your boys sometimes. 2198 01:41:42.760 --> 01:41:45.560 But those were some of the fiercest matchups you could have. 2199 01:41:45.800 --> 01:41:48.000 I played with guys that I played against in high school, 2200 01:41:48.199 --> 01:41:51.000 and while while I loved them and respect them, I 2201 01:41:51.239 --> 01:41:54.319 hated them and the fact that they were represented another 2202 01:41:54.399 --> 01:41:57.079 school and their colors, and I would do anything I 2203 01:41:57.119 --> 01:41:59.640 could to ruin their season and knock them out of 2204 01:41:59.640 --> 01:42:03.239 a champimpionship game. And Utah's in that role now where yes, 2205 01:42:03.319 --> 01:42:06.039 the season feels like they're not going to get the expectations, 2206 01:42:06.079 --> 01:42:07.840 they're not going to reach the goals. They probably said 2207 01:42:07.840 --> 01:42:10.000 at the beginning of the season. Well, the next best 2208 01:42:10.039 --> 01:42:12.399 thing you can do is salvage a season with the 2209 01:42:12.439 --> 01:42:15.439 win against a rival like BYU playing at home. You 2210 01:42:15.479 --> 01:42:18.399 know what it means, and you are one thousand percent 2211 01:42:18.479 --> 01:42:21.039 right Spence when you say these are the games that 2212 01:42:21.119 --> 01:42:24.800 fans remember ten twenty thirty years from now, Like, no 2213 01:42:24.840 --> 01:42:26.680 one comes up to me and says, oh, I remember 2214 01:42:26.680 --> 01:42:29.600 the game against Wake when you guys scored seventy points. No, 2215 01:42:29.840 --> 01:42:31.960 they say, oh, wait, you were in one of the 2216 01:42:31.960 --> 01:42:34.279 wide right games. And I was like yep, or you 2217 01:42:34.319 --> 01:42:35.960 were in the choke a dope when you guys came 2218 01:42:36.000 --> 01:42:38.600 back thirty one to three. Those are the games that 2219 01:42:38.680 --> 01:42:40.439 fans remember all the time. 2220 01:42:40.640 --> 01:42:41.720 They're never going to remember some. 2221 01:42:41.680 --> 01:42:43.880 Of those regular season games that don't that you're just 2222 01:42:43.960 --> 01:42:47.000 conference games. They remember the rivalry games like this one. 2223 01:42:47.119 --> 01:42:49.239 So how many teams, Danny, do you believe still have 2224 01:42:49.279 --> 01:42:51.399 a legitimate shot to win the Big twelve? 2225 01:42:53.039 --> 01:42:53.760 Oh? Man? 2226 01:42:54.159 --> 01:42:57.560 Uh, I think there's probably five, right, and they all 2227 01:42:57.600 --> 01:42:59.600 start to play each other here down the stretch. Mean, 2228 01:42:59.600 --> 01:43:01.640 it's kind of way the round robin, you know, works 2229 01:43:01.920 --> 01:43:06.039 with that style. Because you've got BYU, You've got Iowa State, 2230 01:43:06.079 --> 01:43:09.920 You've got Kansas State. There's three, and then there's Colorado, right, 2231 01:43:09.960 --> 01:43:11.960 that's right there, that's up towards the top. 2232 01:43:12.279 --> 01:43:13.159 Who am I missing? 2233 01:43:13.199 --> 01:43:18.079 There's got TCU, Texas Tech, Cincinnati, West Virginia all three 2234 01:43:18.159 --> 01:43:18.479 and two. 2235 01:43:18.680 --> 01:43:19.880 So maybe it's just four. 2236 01:43:19.960 --> 01:43:22.279 Maybe it's just those four, and I think Colorado's right 2237 01:43:22.319 --> 01:43:24.920 there on the outside, you know, needs a little bit 2238 01:43:24.920 --> 01:43:27.840 of help, but I do. I probably leaned for the 2239 01:43:27.920 --> 01:43:31.159 favorites to be BYU and Iowa State, Like those two 2240 01:43:31.159 --> 01:43:32.840 are the two you know that kind of you know 2241 01:43:32.960 --> 01:43:34.840 have impressed me the most, have been able to win 2242 01:43:34.880 --> 01:43:37.159 this thing and take it down the home stretch. So 2243 01:43:37.520 --> 01:43:39.920 I think it's probably a four team race, with Colorado 2244 01:43:39.960 --> 01:43:41.039 looking on the outside a. 2245 01:43:40.960 --> 01:43:41.479 Little bit in. 2246 01:43:41.880 --> 01:43:44.239 They've been a great story and Dion's turned that thing 2247 01:43:44.279 --> 01:43:47.119 around and made them, you know, a contender. But yeah, 2248 01:43:47.119 --> 01:43:48.840 I'd say it's probably a four team race. 2249 01:43:49.159 --> 01:43:51.920 Is there a way that this conference gets two teams 2250 01:43:51.920 --> 01:43:53.840 in or does it feel like it's a one, big, 2251 01:43:53.960 --> 01:43:55.159 big big league. 2252 01:43:57.880 --> 01:43:59.119 We have to see what happens. 2253 01:43:59.119 --> 01:44:02.039 An unfortunate reality, and this is what I can't stand 2254 01:44:02.560 --> 01:44:05.000 is that, you know, the big ten in the SEC 2255 01:44:05.399 --> 01:44:08.920 are the super conferences. They've got the most money, they've 2256 01:44:08.960 --> 01:44:11.840 got the biggest brands, and they're probably going to by 2257 01:44:11.920 --> 01:44:15.520 default because of all those factors, get more teams into 2258 01:44:15.520 --> 01:44:18.560 the college football playoffs. So like, if you if you 2259 01:44:18.680 --> 01:44:20.960 put in two Big twelve teams, you're probably gonna have 2260 01:44:21.000 --> 01:44:23.600 to take out one of those Big ten or SEC 2261 01:44:23.760 --> 01:44:25.000 teams and probably. 2262 01:44:24.880 --> 01:44:26.239 One of those SEC teams. 2263 01:44:26.399 --> 01:44:29.279 Like you've got Bama and LSU playing this weekend, to 2264 01:44:29.680 --> 01:44:32.880 you know, two loss teams going to to toe to toe, 2265 01:44:33.359 --> 01:44:35.680 I think they both should be out. Like I think 2266 01:44:35.680 --> 01:44:39.039 two losses especially when you don't have any real, you know, 2267 01:44:39.119 --> 01:44:41.840 big wins, like LSU is really lacking the signature win. 2268 01:44:41.920 --> 01:44:44.479 At least Bama has the Georgia win they can hang 2269 01:44:44.520 --> 01:44:47.000 their hat on. But I think those two losses should 2270 01:44:47.039 --> 01:44:49.800 put you on the outside. But still people have them 2271 01:44:49.880 --> 01:44:52.439 up there, you know, in the top twelve vicinity where 2272 01:44:52.520 --> 01:44:54.880 they could be within striking distance if one of them 2273 01:44:54.880 --> 01:44:57.600 wins out, and like, that's what concerns me is they 2274 01:44:57.640 --> 01:45:00.600 would take a two loss SEC team, oh, a one 2275 01:45:00.640 --> 01:45:01.800 loss Big twelve. 2276 01:45:01.479 --> 01:45:04.920 Team, and then the ACC I still think has two teams. 2277 01:45:04.640 --> 01:45:06.239 That are going to get in, and then you've got 2278 01:45:06.239 --> 01:45:08.000 three or four from the Big ten, and then you've 2279 01:45:08.000 --> 01:45:09.479 also going to get the Group of five team. And 2280 01:45:09.560 --> 01:45:12.119 so the spots just started getting taken up, and that 2281 01:45:12.199 --> 01:45:14.840 sucks a lot of air out of and unfortunately, I 2282 01:45:14.840 --> 01:45:17.840 think the perception of the Big twelve has to, you know, 2283 01:45:17.920 --> 01:45:19.920 start to rise, and they have to change it by 2284 01:45:19.920 --> 01:45:22.640 getting some non conference wins. And I just don't know 2285 01:45:22.680 --> 01:45:25.039 if there's been enough signature wins for the conference to 2286 01:45:25.079 --> 01:45:28.039 get across the board for them to get in two. 2287 01:45:27.960 --> 01:45:30.039 Teams, but I would love to see it, you know. 2288 01:45:30.079 --> 01:45:32.399 I just think there's gonna be some carnage at the end, 2289 01:45:32.640 --> 01:45:34.760 and the champion, the Big twelve champion, is probably gonna 2290 01:45:34.760 --> 01:45:36.840 have one loss, maybe two at them when it's all 2291 01:45:36.880 --> 01:45:39.800 said and done, so'll probably just get one in. But 2292 01:45:40.079 --> 01:45:41.840 there's still a month of football left and it's been 2293 01:45:41.880 --> 01:45:43.960 a wacky year. We'll see if they could possibly sneak 2294 01:45:44.000 --> 01:45:44.239 in two. 2295 01:45:44.479 --> 01:45:46.560 Before I set you loose, I gotta kick the tires, 2296 01:45:46.600 --> 01:45:48.760 not to rub salt in the wound on just exactly 2297 01:45:48.800 --> 01:45:52.199 what's happened in Tallahassee. I mean, it's been rough up here, 2298 01:45:52.239 --> 01:45:54.119 but Florida State and it. 2299 01:45:54.079 --> 01:45:56.039 Continues trade dispense. 2300 01:45:56.239 --> 01:45:58.880 Yeah, I know, seriously, but at one in seven, we're 2301 01:45:58.920 --> 01:45:59.600 all shocked. 2302 01:45:59.680 --> 01:46:02.000 Is this it's a coaching thing? Is it a personnel thing? 2303 01:46:02.119 --> 01:46:02.199 Like? 2304 01:46:02.359 --> 01:46:03.840 How has this gone so poorly? 2305 01:46:05.520 --> 01:46:10.199 It has been the hardest, most disappointing season, and that 2306 01:46:10.279 --> 01:46:12.880 I can remember. You know, since I played at Florida State, 2307 01:46:12.960 --> 01:46:16.079 there have been bad seasons, like we've lost to FCS programs, 2308 01:46:16.520 --> 01:46:19.640 we've been a five win football team. But the thing 2309 01:46:19.680 --> 01:46:22.800 that makes it sting the worst is those expectations coming 2310 01:46:22.800 --> 01:46:24.640 into the season, the fact that I thought they could 2311 01:46:24.680 --> 01:46:27.760 contend for an ACEC championship. The fact that the coaching 2312 01:46:27.800 --> 01:46:30.159 staff thought they had the players in place to win 2313 01:46:30.199 --> 01:46:33.319 an ACC championship and make a playoff run, and it's 2314 01:46:33.399 --> 01:46:38.479 just completely derailed. I think it's a combination of misevaluating talent. 2315 01:46:38.680 --> 01:46:42.680 DJ Leungelay just didn't work, and I was skeptical. I 2316 01:46:42.720 --> 01:46:45.319 didn't think he was the best, you know, quarterback to 2317 01:46:45.359 --> 01:46:47.039 go get in the portal, but I thought he would 2318 01:46:47.039 --> 01:46:49.520 at least provide a floor because of how much experience 2319 01:46:49.560 --> 01:46:52.760 he had. That wasn't the case. The offensive line they 2320 01:46:52.800 --> 01:46:56.359 severely misevaluated because they've been atrocious and they've played seven 2321 01:46:56.479 --> 01:47:01.000 different starting five rotations throughout the season. The defense has 2322 01:47:01.079 --> 01:47:03.199 been good, and I think the defense has been good 2323 01:47:03.279 --> 01:47:05.000 enough to win, so I'm not as hard on them, 2324 01:47:05.279 --> 01:47:08.840 but the offense has just really not been anything like 2325 01:47:08.920 --> 01:47:11.399 that resembles really an FBS program. 2326 01:47:11.399 --> 01:47:12.279 It's been that bad. 2327 01:47:12.720 --> 01:47:15.640 Then you throw in the mix of when players that 2328 01:47:15.840 --> 01:47:19.600 don't live and die and breathe and eat and sleep 2329 01:47:19.760 --> 01:47:23.199 next to each other and you know, are raised in 2330 01:47:23.239 --> 01:47:25.279 the same program. Like when I went to Florida State 2331 01:47:25.640 --> 01:47:27.800 my freshman class, we kind of had a bond with 2332 01:47:27.880 --> 01:47:30.600 each other, and when we became sophomores, and juniors. We 2333 01:47:30.680 --> 01:47:32.800 developed and we got better together. 2334 01:47:33.199 --> 01:47:33.920 There's a lot of. 2335 01:47:33.920 --> 01:47:35.520 New faces, and I think that's what we're going to 2336 01:47:35.560 --> 01:47:38.720 see more often times than we think. When you hit 2337 01:47:38.800 --> 01:47:42.159 that portal and you go portal heavy. When you hit it, yes, 2338 01:47:42.279 --> 01:47:43.960 it can be awesome and you can run the table 2339 01:47:44.000 --> 01:47:45.359 like Florida State did last year. 2340 01:47:45.600 --> 01:47:47.000 But when you miss and. 2341 01:47:46.920 --> 01:47:50.399 You start losing games, that foundation can really start to 2342 01:47:50.399 --> 01:47:53.359 crumble quickly because those guys weren't there to lay the foundation. 2343 01:47:53.439 --> 01:47:54.920 They're just hired mercenaries. 2344 01:47:55.239 --> 01:47:57.479 And when that thing starts coming off the rails, I 2345 01:47:57.520 --> 01:47:59.239 think you start to see players throwing the towel a 2346 01:47:59.279 --> 01:48:01.239 little bit and then can really come off the rails, 2347 01:48:01.279 --> 01:48:03.199 which clearly happened there in Tallahassee. 2348 01:48:03.279 --> 01:48:05.960 What do you want our listeners to know about betonline 2349 01:48:06.039 --> 01:48:09.199 dot ag Danny, it's your best place for. 2350 01:48:09.199 --> 01:48:12.880 All your sportsbook needs. 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Danny was a great college quarterback at 2363 01:48:40.840 --> 01:48:43.600 Florida State. Spent some time in the NFL about seven 2364 01:48:43.680 --> 01:48:46.880 years with the Giants, the Falcons, and the Denver Broncos. 2365 01:48:46.880 --> 01:48:49.359 He was drafted by the Brewers out of high school. 2366 01:48:49.720 --> 01:48:51.319 Ended up playing for the Yankees for a while. If 2367 01:48:51.319 --> 01:48:52.840 we had more time, I was gonna ask him about 2368 01:48:52.840 --> 01:48:54.920 the Yankees just peeing down their leg last night. 2369 01:48:55.000 --> 01:48:57.479 My gosh, extremely embarrassing. 2370 01:48:57.600 --> 01:49:00.520 We have Sports Center on in the studio so after 2371 01:49:00.520 --> 01:49:02.680 we live here and Judge dropping a fly ball that 2372 01:49:02.760 --> 01:49:04.039 your eight year old. 2373 01:49:03.880 --> 01:49:06.680 Son could have caught. It was just ridiculous. Very happy 2374 01:49:06.720 --> 01:49:07.680 Halloween to you. 2375 01:49:07.880 --> 01:49:09.760 As the five o'clock hour of the Drive on a 2376 01:49:09.760 --> 01:49:12.079 Thursday gets rolling right now, looks like we could have 2377 01:49:12.119 --> 01:49:15.199 a little rain potentially. There are dark clouds here in 2378 01:49:15.239 --> 01:49:18.680 downtown Salt Lake City, Utah, a little rain this morning, 2379 01:49:18.760 --> 01:49:21.319 snow up in the mountains. But as it is every day, 2380 01:49:21.359 --> 01:49:24.720 we appreciate you making us a part of your daily routine, 2381 01:49:24.760 --> 01:49:28.000 whether you're listening in the radio, whether you're checking out 2382 01:49:28.000 --> 01:49:29.880 our stream online. 2383 01:49:29.760 --> 01:49:31.640 ESPN seven hundred sports dot com, our. 2384 01:49:31.560 --> 01:49:34.520 Mobile app, or maybe even our podcast too. We appreciate 2385 01:49:34.560 --> 01:49:36.159 you guys, certainly on this Thursday. 2386 01:49:36.880 --> 01:49:37.920 Be safe out there. 2387 01:49:38.399 --> 01:49:41.039 Don't be the family that leaves the bowl of candy 2388 01:49:41.079 --> 01:49:43.520 out and says please just take one, because you'll run 2389 01:49:43.520 --> 01:49:45.479 into eight year olds like a young Spence checkets. 2390 01:49:45.479 --> 01:49:47.800 You will take all of your candy and go home. 2391 01:49:48.640 --> 01:49:51.760 Don't don't do that. Give out the full size candy bars. 2392 01:49:51.800 --> 01:49:54.600 We had Gordon monson earlier. That's the deal. 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Reservations can be made at FLANKERSLC dot Com. 2404 01:50:23.319 --> 01:50:25.319 All Right, the Utah Jazz are at action tonight. They're 2405 01:50:25.359 --> 01:50:28.800 taking on the San Antonio Spurs. Jazz are actually a 2406 01:50:28.800 --> 01:50:31.960 slight favorite in this game. At this juncture, the Jazz 2407 01:50:31.960 --> 01:50:34.800 are the only team in the NBA that has not won. 2408 01:50:34.600 --> 01:50:35.720 A basketball game. 2409 01:50:36.479 --> 01:50:39.319 Of course, there's a lot of attention surrounding the unfortunate 2410 01:50:39.359 --> 01:50:42.039 news that Taylor Hendrix is going to have his development 2411 01:50:42.520 --> 01:50:47.399 stunted mightily with a just a super horrific sad leg 2412 01:50:47.479 --> 01:50:50.600 injury to his looks like it's going to be his 2413 01:50:50.640 --> 01:50:52.399 ankle and his fibula, but he's out for the year. 2414 01:50:53.000 --> 01:50:55.800 We'll see when the surgery, you know, kind of comes down. 2415 01:50:55.920 --> 01:50:58.039 I'm told that it hasn't happened yet. They're probably still 2416 01:50:58.079 --> 01:51:01.039 trying to analyze what's best. But at this point the 2417 01:51:01.079 --> 01:51:04.159 Spurs do have one win. But San Antonio is not 2418 01:51:04.239 --> 01:51:07.199 a great team. But it is worth the price of admission. 2419 01:51:07.720 --> 01:51:10.880 If you've never seen Victor Wembanyama play, I mean, it 2420 01:51:10.960 --> 01:51:13.479 really is unlike anything I've seen before. You've heard all 2421 01:51:13.479 --> 01:51:17.920 the analysts talk about it. He is any by any 2422 01:51:17.960 --> 01:51:20.720 measurable metric, no matter kind of what you rely on. 2423 01:51:20.880 --> 01:51:23.560 Most people believe he's the. 2424 01:51:22.800 --> 01:51:26.680 Best prospect to play NBA basketball since Lebron James, and 2425 01:51:26.760 --> 01:51:30.079 the best prospect to build an NBA team around, because 2426 01:51:30.119 --> 01:51:32.520 san Antonio a couple of years ago did the thing 2427 01:51:32.600 --> 01:51:34.600 that the Jazz did not, and they did the right 2428 01:51:34.680 --> 01:51:37.000 thing when there was a generational player available. 2429 01:51:37.920 --> 01:51:39.359 Wembenyama is twenty years old. 2430 01:51:39.359 --> 01:51:41.800 He and Taylor HENDRICKX are the very same age, and 2431 01:51:41.880 --> 01:51:45.960 san Antonio, by going all in on being bad, including 2432 01:51:46.039 --> 01:51:48.760 trading de Jontay Murray, a twenty five year old All Star, 2433 01:51:48.840 --> 01:51:51.680 for not much of anything in return, knew that even 2434 01:51:51.680 --> 01:51:53.880 if it meant you had a slight shot at Wembnyama, 2435 01:51:53.880 --> 01:51:57.000 you had to go all in on losing games unquote 2436 01:51:57.079 --> 01:52:00.000 developing young players. Where we heard that, oh this year, 2437 01:52:00.199 --> 01:52:04.239 that's right from the Jazz, right So I talked about 2438 01:52:04.239 --> 01:52:08.159 it that season, moving off Murray, they played, they played 2439 01:52:08.239 --> 01:52:12.359 bizarre lineups. Greg Popovich was like trolling everybody, but their 2440 01:52:12.560 --> 01:52:16.079 whole ethos That year was when man Yama is so special, 2441 01:52:16.279 --> 01:52:19.079 we at least want to give ourselves a shot at them. Now, 2442 01:52:19.159 --> 01:52:23.119 the lottery ads, lottery odds have been flattened. Asked Detroit, 2443 01:52:23.159 --> 01:52:25.840 there's no guarantee that if you're the worst team in 2444 01:52:25.840 --> 01:52:28.479 the NBA, you get the worst pick, asked Atlanta, there's 2445 01:52:28.520 --> 01:52:30.319 a chance that if you're ten, you might move up 2446 01:52:30.359 --> 01:52:33.960 to one. It does happen from time to time. But ultimately, 2447 01:52:34.239 --> 01:52:39.279 I don't know that, you know, the the Jazz are 2448 01:52:39.279 --> 01:52:41.960 doing this intentionally because they would never say it out loud. 2449 01:52:42.000 --> 01:52:44.600 And as I've said often, I feel like it's a 2450 01:52:44.640 --> 01:52:46.279 day eight and a dollar short. 2451 01:52:46.760 --> 01:52:49.600 But if they are finally. 2452 01:52:49.199 --> 01:52:52.119 Going about their business, because again, what's the verbiage we 2453 01:52:52.159 --> 01:52:54.079 hear from the front office, what's the verb what's the 2454 01:52:54.159 --> 01:52:57.479 verbiage we hear, you know, from the the powers that be, 2455 01:52:57.640 --> 01:52:58.640 the decision makers. 2456 01:52:59.119 --> 01:53:02.199 This year is going to be all about development, you know, And. 2457 01:53:02.319 --> 01:53:04.840 Essentially that's code in the NBA for hey guys, just 2458 01:53:04.880 --> 01:53:06.640 so you know, we're going to be really bad this year. 2459 01:53:06.760 --> 01:53:09.960 And while I do believe the best time to do 2460 01:53:10.039 --> 01:53:12.560 this would have been two years ago. If you're going 2461 01:53:12.600 --> 01:53:15.760 to move off Mitchell and go Bear and very smart 2462 01:53:15.800 --> 01:53:18.479 front office basketball people have decided they didn't want to 2463 01:53:18.479 --> 01:53:20.760 work for this new iteration or whatever this is. Dennis 2464 01:53:20.800 --> 01:53:25.119 Lindsay leaves, Quinn Snyder leaves. The time to do this 2465 01:53:25.279 --> 01:53:28.479 was then, and it did coincide with Wembnyama bursting on 2466 01:53:28.640 --> 01:53:32.439 everybody's scene as the best young building block that has 2467 01:53:32.840 --> 01:53:37.000 emerged since Lebron James, and for whatever reason, they didn't. 2468 01:53:37.079 --> 01:53:40.039 And I've heard a bunch of excuses that don't buy 2469 01:53:40.079 --> 01:53:41.960 at all. Like I heard somebody say, well, we were 2470 01:53:41.960 --> 01:53:44.039 trying to tank, but our coach is too good, to 2471 01:53:44.079 --> 01:53:48.960 which I respond, who coaches the Spurs like there's nothing there? 2472 01:53:49.439 --> 01:53:51.840 And so the best time to do this would have 2473 01:53:51.840 --> 01:53:53.920 been two years ago, but the second best time to 2474 01:53:53.920 --> 01:53:56.279 do it is now. And so if they're doing it 2475 01:53:56.319 --> 01:54:00.439 intentionally behind the scenes, let me say congratulations, because this 2476 01:54:00.560 --> 01:54:03.680 is exactly what you need to be doing. I will 2477 01:54:03.720 --> 01:54:06.960 say this. We had Craig Bowler Jack Gordon Monson live 2478 01:54:07.039 --> 01:54:09.319 in studio, and Bowler's a pro. You know, he's going 2479 01:54:09.399 --> 01:54:11.439 to do the deal to the best of his ability, 2480 01:54:11.479 --> 01:54:13.920 and he's going to make sure that you know, he 2481 01:54:14.000 --> 01:54:18.800 does a great job. But this is hard on the team. 2482 01:54:18.960 --> 01:54:21.880 It's hard on the players, it's really hard on the coach. 2483 01:54:22.039 --> 01:54:25.520 Coaches never want to lose at all. But remember, let's 2484 01:54:25.640 --> 01:54:28.680 let's let's draw some parallels here, Let's draw some dotted lines, 2485 01:54:28.720 --> 01:54:31.079 because I can tell you if somebody has been in 2486 01:54:31.159 --> 01:54:32.760 media for a long time, but it's also been on 2487 01:54:32.800 --> 01:54:35.319 the team side. What you hear from teams is not 2488 01:54:35.399 --> 01:54:39.640 the deal. That's why they have communication staffs. That's why 2489 01:54:39.680 --> 01:54:43.199 they have emergency PR meetings to make sure what make 2490 01:54:43.239 --> 01:54:44.640 sure what what is our messaging? 2491 01:54:44.720 --> 01:54:46.039 What are we telling the community. 2492 01:54:46.840 --> 01:54:49.960 It's very rare that you get from the team exactly 2493 01:54:49.960 --> 01:54:52.439 what's going on behind the scenes. So you hear what 2494 01:54:52.479 --> 01:54:54.079 they say to the media, you hear what they say 2495 01:54:54.159 --> 01:54:57.439 during interviews, and then you kind of have to do 2496 01:54:57.479 --> 01:54:59.520 the best you can to connect the dots behind the 2497 01:54:59.520 --> 01:55:03.720 scenes understand exactly what's going on. It's not a coincidence 2498 01:55:03.760 --> 01:55:06.680 that they picked up Will Hardy's fifth year about three 2499 01:55:06.720 --> 01:55:07.239 weeks ago. 2500 01:55:07.920 --> 01:55:10.239 Now, remember this is Will's third year. 2501 01:55:10.600 --> 01:55:14.079 His fourth year option had already been exercised, but they 2502 01:55:14.119 --> 01:55:16.640 picked up his fifth year option a few weeks ago. 2503 01:55:16.680 --> 01:55:18.319 There are probably a number of reasons for it, but 2504 01:55:18.359 --> 01:55:21.159 the timing certainly struck me. It's not something that happens 2505 01:55:21.199 --> 01:55:23.520 often in pro basketball. 2506 01:55:23.640 --> 01:55:24.680 Reason Number one is. 2507 01:55:24.640 --> 01:55:27.199 Will's very bright and anybody who's ever been around him, 2508 01:55:27.199 --> 01:55:29.880 and we've had interviews Jeff Van Gundy, coach with Will 2509 01:55:29.880 --> 01:55:34.479 Hardy USA Basketball Steve Kerr, who said, the Jazz just 2510 01:55:34.479 --> 01:55:36.680 signed a rising star like it feels to be a 2511 01:55:36.680 --> 01:55:40.880 consensus that one of very few pieces that you have 2512 01:55:40.960 --> 01:55:45.119 in place that appeared to be the correct decision. It's 2513 01:55:45.119 --> 01:55:47.880 your head coach. So number one is you just lock 2514 01:55:47.920 --> 01:55:49.560 in a guy you like an awful lot. Okay, so 2515 01:55:49.560 --> 01:55:53.439 that's what they did. But ultimately, if early season returns 2516 01:55:53.479 --> 01:55:55.560 are any indicator, and I'm going to get here in 2517 01:55:55.600 --> 01:55:58.600 a moment, because it's not just the losing, it's the 2518 01:55:58.640 --> 01:56:03.039 way the Jeffs are losing. That says to me, Okay, 2519 01:56:03.279 --> 01:56:06.439 they have done their due diligence on this upcoming draft 2520 01:56:06.439 --> 01:56:10.199 class that includes a bevy of prospects that people are 2521 01:56:10.359 --> 01:56:13.399 very excited about, none the least of which is a 2522 01:56:13.439 --> 01:56:15.720 young freshman. Not that you need an excuse to watch 2523 01:56:15.840 --> 01:56:19.319 Duke basketball, because ESPN essentially shows us all of their. 2524 01:56:19.159 --> 01:56:20.479 Games whether we want them or not. 2525 01:56:21.439 --> 01:56:23.680 But if you have a chance to tune in, college 2526 01:56:23.680 --> 01:56:25.880 basketball can be a rough product to watch. Not gonna lie, 2527 01:56:25.920 --> 01:56:28.479 but Cooper Flag, the freshman from Duke. You guys have 2528 01:56:28.520 --> 01:56:31.239 heard the name by you know by now, there's a 2529 01:56:31.279 --> 01:56:34.319 great piece in the athletic where a writer, an NBA 2530 01:56:34.359 --> 01:56:36.520 writer that works for the Athletics, spent a couple of 2531 01:56:36.520 --> 01:56:39.239 weeks with Cooper Flag and his family and talking to 2532 01:56:39.279 --> 01:56:43.199 a bunch of talent evaluators in scouts and pro basketball. 2533 01:56:43.880 --> 01:56:46.800 I'm gonna stop short of saying a wem Bunyama gift 2534 01:56:47.319 --> 01:56:51.560 or a wem Bunyama, you know, infusion of hope, because 2535 01:56:51.600 --> 01:56:55.760 what prospects like Victor Webbuyama and Lebron James, who are generational, 2536 01:56:55.800 --> 01:56:57.479 what they do is they change communities. 2537 01:56:57.520 --> 01:57:00.840 They really do. They change cities. We saw with Lebron 2538 01:57:00.880 --> 01:57:04.159 in Cleveland the positive effect he had on his community, 2539 01:57:04.479 --> 01:57:07.399 and you will see it in San Antonio because ultimately, 2540 01:57:07.720 --> 01:57:10.720 guys like that, you don't miss on him, and you 2541 01:57:10.760 --> 01:57:13.399 don't miss on a chance just to maybe luck into 2542 01:57:13.399 --> 01:57:14.680 getting them. You just don't. 2543 01:57:14.720 --> 01:57:17.640 It's bad management, it's bad decision making. And I think 2544 01:57:17.680 --> 01:57:20.600 that's what the Jazz did two years ago. But if 2545 01:57:20.640 --> 01:57:23.279 Cooper Flagg is thought to be or I mean, look, 2546 01:57:24.399 --> 01:57:26.520 if you guys, you know, kind of keep up with 2547 01:57:26.560 --> 01:57:28.920 the polts of NBA basketball and you read about the 2548 01:57:29.000 --> 01:57:30.920 draft stuff, and my guess is a lot of Jazz 2549 01:57:30.960 --> 01:57:33.760 fans do your names like Dylan Harper. 2550 01:57:33.840 --> 01:57:35.760 Ron Harper's kid is going to be for Rutgers. 2551 01:57:35.760 --> 01:57:39.000 And by the way, his teammate Ace Bailey, what's going 2552 01:57:39.039 --> 01:57:42.439 on at Rutgers. By the way, his teammate A's Bailey 2553 01:57:42.800 --> 01:57:46.199 is also thought to be a generational piece. Nolan Treiori, 2554 01:57:47.159 --> 01:57:51.399 who's a French international kid, DJ Edgecombe from Baylor, you know, 2555 01:57:51.520 --> 01:57:54.319 Trey Johnson from Texas, Drake Powell from Carolina, like you 2556 01:57:54.399 --> 01:57:57.640 hear people. And there's a kid who plays for Al Madrid, 2557 01:57:57.720 --> 01:58:01.199 Hugo Gonzalez. Liam McNeely, who's a You hear people talk 2558 01:58:01.199 --> 01:58:02.920 about this draft that if you have one of the 2559 01:58:02.920 --> 01:58:05.800 top six or seven picks, you're going to potentially have 2560 01:58:05.840 --> 01:58:10.600 a generationally special player. You did not hear that about 2561 01:58:10.640 --> 01:58:14.239 the draft last year, which leads me to this draft 2562 01:58:14.239 --> 01:58:17.279 pick that continues to be floated out there as something 2563 01:58:17.359 --> 01:58:20.279 that inevitably, at some point will have to convey. Okay, 2564 01:58:20.319 --> 01:58:23.079 so it's the same deal this year. If it's it's 2565 01:58:23.119 --> 01:58:25.920 top ten protected. So if the Jazz, you know, if 2566 01:58:25.960 --> 01:58:27.600 it's out of the top ten, the Jazz have to 2567 01:58:27.640 --> 01:58:30.680 send that pick to Oklahoma City, which makes me laugh 2568 01:58:30.760 --> 01:58:34.840 every time, because OKAC might be the best team in 2569 01:58:34.880 --> 01:58:35.239 the West. 2570 01:58:35.279 --> 01:58:36.479 Nobody's close to Boston. 2571 01:58:36.640 --> 01:58:39.119 OKC might be the best team in the West, but 2572 01:58:39.199 --> 01:58:42.279 they also are as well positioned to add talent as 2573 01:58:42.359 --> 01:58:44.960 anyone in the league, including the Jazz, who are not 2574 01:58:45.039 --> 01:58:49.159 even close to living in the same stratosphere, in the 2575 01:58:49.199 --> 01:58:53.239 same cul de sac is where OKC finds themselves. San 2576 01:58:53.279 --> 01:58:58.039 Antonio still in a tremendous position to surround Victor Wiberyam 2577 01:58:58.159 --> 01:59:00.560 with talent as he ages because of all their draft 2578 01:59:00.560 --> 01:59:04.159 capital and relatively clean books. Right, but san Antonio has 2579 01:59:04.199 --> 01:59:07.159 already found the thing that the Jazz are still looking for. 2580 01:59:07.279 --> 01:59:10.039 And I love lowry marketing. We all love lowry marketing. 2581 01:59:10.159 --> 01:59:12.319 If you're heading down to the Jazz game tonight, chances 2582 01:59:12.359 --> 01:59:14.880 are one of the main reasons you bought your ticket 2583 01:59:14.960 --> 01:59:17.680 is to watch market and play. I think he's going tonight. 2584 01:59:17.720 --> 01:59:19.640 He did leave the other night with some back issues. 2585 01:59:19.680 --> 01:59:21.960 I think Craig said he was a game time decision. 2586 01:59:22.000 --> 01:59:24.920 So we'll have to see if marketing goes and certainly 2587 01:59:24.960 --> 01:59:27.600 to be fun to watch Walker Kessler Victor wemen Yama. 2588 01:59:27.640 --> 01:59:29.560 But my point in the whole thing is a year 2589 01:59:29.600 --> 01:59:33.159 ago when the draft wasn't great, and the early returns 2590 01:59:33.199 --> 01:59:35.680 of even the Reshache Kid and some of the high 2591 01:59:35.760 --> 01:59:38.079 draft picks so far not awesome. 2592 01:59:38.720 --> 01:59:41.279 The question is why didn't you allow the pick to 2593 01:59:41.319 --> 01:59:44.479 convey Toronto? Did it last year? 2594 01:59:44.960 --> 01:59:47.359 I think it was the pick they had in the 2595 01:59:47.560 --> 01:59:51.039 Yaka Pearl trade, I think with San Antonio, and it 2596 01:59:51.159 --> 01:59:54.720 was set to convey, and they did their calculations and 2597 01:59:54.760 --> 01:59:57.439 they decided to And this is good. This is the thing, 2598 01:59:57.479 --> 01:59:59.079 you guys know this you watched it last year, is 2599 01:59:59.079 --> 02:00:02.520 the Jazz started city players here there because they clearly 2600 02:00:02.600 --> 02:00:06.640 wanted to maintain their draft capital. But at the same time, 2601 02:00:07.600 --> 02:00:11.039 if the draft last year wasn't going to breed anybody 2602 02:00:11.079 --> 02:00:13.359 all that special, and you have to convey the pick 2603 02:00:13.399 --> 02:00:15.600 at some point, why don't you do it in a 2604 02:00:15.680 --> 02:00:19.520 year that's bad because and look, it does look like 2605 02:00:19.560 --> 02:00:20.880 the Jazz are going to be in a position to 2606 02:00:20.920 --> 02:00:23.319 hold on to it because it'll be top ten and 2607 02:00:23.399 --> 02:00:27.000 maybe hopefully fingers crossed, man, have we earned it in 2608 02:00:27.039 --> 02:00:30.399 this market to get Lady Luck smiling down upon us 2609 02:00:30.399 --> 02:00:33.239 in the NBA draft lottery process, maybe you rise up 2610 02:00:33.319 --> 02:00:35.199 to a top two or three pick. Can we even 2611 02:00:35.319 --> 02:00:38.239 dream that you get to number one? Well, here's the thing. 2612 02:00:38.960 --> 02:00:41.319 If the Jazz are really doing because back to the 2613 02:00:41.319 --> 02:00:43.920 whole dynamic of hearing the front off is tell people 2614 02:00:43.920 --> 02:00:48.760 what they're doing and then watching the actual proof of concept. Yes, 2615 02:00:48.800 --> 02:00:52.000 you hear them talk about development, but development is code 2616 02:00:52.039 --> 02:00:54.640 in pro basketball for we're not going to be very 2617 02:00:54.640 --> 02:00:56.520 good this year, So please ride with us. And I 2618 02:00:56.520 --> 02:00:58.600 would say to you, as the fan base and as 2619 02:00:58.640 --> 02:01:00.720 somebody who cheers for the Jazz just like you do, 2620 02:01:01.479 --> 02:01:03.960 if this is the plan, embrace it with both arms. 2621 02:01:04.600 --> 02:01:07.840 Embrace it with open arms, man like if they're finally 2622 02:01:07.880 --> 02:01:10.039 doing the thing that they should have been doing for 2623 02:01:10.079 --> 02:01:12.439 the past couple of years. After Quinn and Dennis left 2624 02:01:12.479 --> 02:01:15.800 and they traded Gobert and Mitchell and Conley and Bogdanovich 2625 02:01:15.840 --> 02:01:19.039 and Royce and everybody, I mean, they jettison that entire group. 2626 02:01:19.439 --> 02:01:21.960 And yes, we can go into whether or not the 2627 02:01:22.000 --> 02:01:24.439 well had run dry. Most people say the answer to 2628 02:01:24.439 --> 02:01:26.520 that is yes. I still question whether or not that's 2629 02:01:26.560 --> 02:01:31.760 the case, But regardless, that is the direction that I 2630 02:01:31.840 --> 02:01:33.720 believe they should have taken right away. If you're going 2631 02:01:33.760 --> 02:01:35.600 to rebuild, go all in and do what you gotta 2632 02:01:35.640 --> 02:01:38.920 do to make sure that you can suffer through the pain, 2633 02:01:38.960 --> 02:01:43.079 because what you don't want is ten straight years of 2634 02:01:43.239 --> 02:01:46.640 thirty five to forty wins, you know, and then what 2635 02:01:46.760 --> 02:01:49.640 are you exactly and then what do you have to 2636 02:01:49.760 --> 02:01:52.880 utilize dad talent? In this market? It has to be draft, 2637 02:01:52.960 --> 02:01:55.640 it has to be draft, develop and retain. And honestly, 2638 02:01:55.720 --> 02:01:59.159 sometimes I think that's over hyped about it only being 2639 02:01:59.199 --> 02:02:03.359 Assault Lake team. Sure, a Salt Lake thing, Golden State essentially, 2640 02:02:03.479 --> 02:02:06.439 you know they drafted Steph Clay and Draymond. Yes, they 2641 02:02:06.439 --> 02:02:08.920 added Durant and that was unfair and that will never 2642 02:02:09.000 --> 02:02:12.600 happen here. But the spine of that team was draft developed, 2643 02:02:12.640 --> 02:02:13.560 re tain right. 2644 02:02:14.079 --> 02:02:16.159 So bottom line, if. 2645 02:02:16.000 --> 02:02:17.800 This and it does appear that this is going to 2646 02:02:17.840 --> 02:02:20.800 be a really really long, hard year for Jazz fans, 2647 02:02:20.920 --> 02:02:26.439 team employees, players, coaches, If the long game does actually 2648 02:02:26.479 --> 02:02:29.359 shine upon the Jazz the way it shined upon San 2649 02:02:29.359 --> 02:02:32.920 Antonio two years ago, and the Jazz finally get that 2650 02:02:33.000 --> 02:02:35.399 Lady luck ball to bounce their way and Cooper Flag 2651 02:02:35.439 --> 02:02:38.119 is in a Jazz uniform this year or next year, 2652 02:02:38.239 --> 02:02:42.520 go to eighty two, okay, because this essentially will give 2653 02:02:42.560 --> 02:02:44.680 you some hope because right now it's a team and 2654 02:02:44.720 --> 02:02:46.079 it's hard to have a lot. 2655 02:02:45.920 --> 02:02:46.560 Of hope in them. 2656 02:02:47.079 --> 02:02:49.840 The bottom line, so we'll see if you're heading down 2657 02:02:49.840 --> 02:02:51.840 and enjoy the Victor Wemban Yama show. Like I said, 2658 02:02:51.840 --> 02:02:55.640 I've never seen anything like him. An excellent song close 2659 02:02:55.760 --> 02:02:57.760 the show with On a Halloween Thursday. 2660 02:02:58.560 --> 02:02:59.640 All Right, you're still young. 2661 02:02:59.720 --> 02:03:01.479 I know you're an old soul, but you're still a 2662 02:03:01.520 --> 02:03:04.399 young And when I was a young, Halloween was a 2663 02:03:04.479 --> 02:03:06.520 night where if you wanted to get kind of weird. 2664 02:03:06.319 --> 02:03:08.600 You could go get kind of weird? Is that on 2665 02:03:08.680 --> 02:03:09.800 the cards for you this evening? 2666 02:03:10.079 --> 02:03:13.399 Usually I would say so, but it's, you know, a Thursday. 2667 02:03:13.439 --> 02:03:19.520 We've got football on. It's chilly. I've never been a 2668 02:03:19.520 --> 02:03:23.560 big Halloween guy, but is I get older and older 2669 02:03:24.039 --> 02:03:26.880 and older, it's less and less. 2670 02:03:26.880 --> 02:03:29.239 So yeah, I'm gonna go out and see the East 2671 02:03:29.279 --> 02:03:30.640 and the nephew dress up out. 2672 02:03:30.520 --> 02:03:32.760 In draper, so I'll enjoy that. But yeah, we've got 2673 02:03:32.800 --> 02:03:35.319 some pro football coming your way. It's the Jets and 2674 02:03:35.399 --> 02:03:38.600 it is the Texans coming up on the other side. 2675 02:03:38.600 --> 02:03:41.279 The Jets are a slight favorite. The Texans opened up 2676 02:03:41.319 --> 02:03:43.239 as the favorite. The Jets are now two point five 2677 02:03:43.279 --> 02:03:46.279 point favorite. We'll see if throw Rogan can figure it out. 2678 02:03:46.560 --> 02:03:48.920 On a little Thursday night football, all right, Porter, before 2679 02:03:48.960 --> 02:03:50.279 we say goodnight, to go get weird. 2680 02:03:50.279 --> 02:03:52.439 On a Halloween Thursday. What comes our way on a 2681 02:03:52.439 --> 02:03:53.079 Friday show? 2682 02:03:53.199 --> 02:03:57.319 Uloaded Friday Show, Guess each and every segment on a 2683 02:03:57.520 --> 02:04:03.119 Friday Show. Max Brown talking college football, Howard Beck talking NBA, 2684 02:04:03.399 --> 02:04:07.079 Zach Harper doubling up on the NBA Daily Assist, Neil 2685 02:04:07.119 --> 02:04:11.680 Smith talking Utah Hockey Club, Andy Larson going any which 2686 02:04:11.720 --> 02:04:14.680 way you want to go. So we'll be jam packed 2687 02:04:14.720 --> 02:04:17.479 on a Friday show and can go in with really 2688 02:04:17.560 --> 02:04:18.119 any direction. 2689 02:04:18.199 --> 02:04:20.079 It's a great time of year. There's a ton going on. 2690 02:04:20.159 --> 02:04:22.359 It's a bye week for Utah and BYU, but a 2691 02:04:22.399 --> 02:04:25.800 bevy of gray college football action, Pro football action too 2692 02:04:25.920 --> 02:04:29.239 this weekend, which starts next with the Jets and the 2693 02:04:29.279 --> 02:04:31.880 text and special thank you to Pablo mashjo Any Craig Bowler, 2694 02:04:31.960 --> 02:04:34.520 Jack Gordon Monson, Danny Knell as well if you missed 2695 02:04:34.520 --> 02:04:37.079 any of it. Website is an option. It's ESPN seven 2696 02:04:37.159 --> 02:04:40.279 hundred Sports dot com. Make sure to download and you 2697 02:04:40.479 --> 02:04:42.359 utilize our mobile app to listen to us. 2698 02:04:42.399 --> 02:04:43.039 It's the way I do. 2699 02:04:43.199 --> 02:04:45.520 It's the ESPN seven hundred app that's available in the 2700 02:04:45.520 --> 02:04:48.319 App Store or the Google play Store. 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