Speaker 1: All right, I need to dispel something right out of
Speaker 1: the gates. I'm gonna start out the show with as
Speaker 1: Sean Wertz say, I.
Speaker 2: Think it's on Fridays.
Speaker 1: I need a airic grievance, and I need to dispel
Speaker 1: a misconception.
Speaker 2: I'm a fun guy. I'm a fun guy. I don't
Speaker 2: get enough credit for how much fun I am. I
Speaker 2: didn't have time.
Speaker 1: To dress up today. I had a busy morning some
Speaker 1: adult team. All right, and if our staff here at
Speaker 1: Broadway Media wants me to continue to do this four
Speaker 1: hour radio show with which is a ratings juggernaut and
Speaker 1: brings in business to pay salaries, I don't have time
Speaker 1: to dress up and come in early to enjoy myself.
Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean I'm not fun. I want it
Speaker 1: known across our community starting today that when you hear
Speaker 1: the name Spence check its you think fun, fun guy.
Speaker 1: I didn't have time to dress up. That doesn't make
Speaker 1: me someone who doesn't like fun.
Speaker 2: Porter. You know this. We've talked about it.
Speaker 1: When people come up to you on this show street
Speaker 1: and they're like, hey, tell me about Spence. Better looking
Speaker 1: in person, in shape for his age, good.
Speaker 2: Lately, good hair, that's enough. Good hair, lying that was
Speaker 2: a compliment and a lot of fun. And he's a
Speaker 2: fun guy, right, those are the things you say.
Speaker 3: That was a compliment. You're looking you're looking good, thank you.
Speaker 3: But also, I'm fun, You're you're fun, You're funk. And listen,
Speaker 3: you don't have to dress up for Halloween to be fun.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: As you can see, I'm wearing a black T shirt
Speaker 3: and black sweats today.
Speaker 1: You look like you're dressed up as a bandit. I well,
Speaker 1: somebody who just robbed a sav or something that.
Speaker 3: Might not be a costume. All right, fair enough, But
Speaker 3: I also had a busy morning. Sorry, I was at
Speaker 3: the DMV all day. Oh so I didn't have enough
Speaker 3: time and I'm not gonna go home and just like
Speaker 3: put on a cowboy hat. That's not a costume. That's
Speaker 3: not That's just why we're on the weekend. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm you know, I'm not dressing up. I'm fun too.
Speaker 3: Times we're both fun.
Speaker 1: Eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred text
Speaker 1: in how much fun.
Speaker 3: This show is?
Speaker 4: This?
Speaker 3: This show's fun.
Speaker 2: We'll give you a.
Speaker 1: Gift card to something a fun gift card to do
Speaker 1: something fun from the most fun.
Speaker 2: People on air in the market.
Speaker 3: I would say so eight.
Speaker 2: Seven seven three five three zero seven hundred. I'm a little.
Speaker 1: Irritated I've been painted as somebody who doesn't like fun.
Speaker 2: I like fun.
Speaker 3: You had a bad night last night.
Speaker 1: Also, also, the Yankees just completely handed it over. That
Speaker 1: fifth inning meltdown was pathetic. Hello, how are you? The
Speaker 1: name of this radio program is called The Fun Drive
Speaker 1: with Spence Checkets. I'm the host. That young man produces it.
Speaker 1: And let's get on track. All right, busy, busy show.
Speaker 1: We'll do a little world series. Honestly, that was just pathetic.
Speaker 1: And Yankees had Game one in their hands. They blew it.
Speaker 1: Yankee sad, Game five in their hands, blew it. Just
Speaker 1: a total meltdown. And I wonder if Aaron Boone keeps
Speaker 1: his job on dead serious interesting article the up at
Speaker 1: the Athletic. I'm gonna find it because I need to
Speaker 1: credit the rider because I don't smash as much regular season.
Speaker 2: Baseball as I used to.
Speaker 1: You know, when you do this job, you try to
Speaker 1: put your energy in places that your audience really wants.
Speaker 1: And I don't know that baseball moves the needle here
Speaker 1: like it used to. But playoff baseball is awesome. The
Speaker 1: World Series was at least intriguing. I'm sure Major League Baseball,
Speaker 1: the powers that be at the governing body very thrilled
Speaker 1: with massive numbers, the biggest ratings the World Series has
Speaker 1: had in a long time. And ultimately you get the
Speaker 1: two biggest media markets in the world. You get LA
Speaker 1: and you get New York. You had two of the
Speaker 1: best brands in Major League Baseball, you get the Yankees
Speaker 1: and the Dodgers, and then you had i'll say five
Speaker 1: somewhat compelling games.
Speaker 2: The Dodgers were better. They deserve it.
Speaker 1: The Yankees did not deserve to win last night and
Speaker 1: just a comedy of airs. But that piece in the
Speaker 1: Athletic outlined like essentially, and I can understand this because
Speaker 1: watching the Yankees in the playoffs prior to the World Series,
Speaker 1: it felt like they had such a powerful, powerful lineup,
Speaker 1: and then when they faced the Dodgers have the best
Speaker 1: lineup in baseball and quite frankly have for quite a while.
Speaker 1: It's got like a decade of Dodger dominance. They only
Speaker 1: had one World Series and it was COVID, so it
Speaker 1: fell kind of hollow, so well deserved by that organization.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the Yankees are gonna do.
Speaker 1: Wan Soto came out today, was like, yeah, I'm opening
Speaker 1: to every club. He's just gonna go to the highest bidder,
Speaker 1: as most players do as they get a little bit older.
Speaker 1: But fifth inning meltdown. I don't know that Aaron Boone
Speaker 1: keeps his job. So maybe we'll do a little World Series.
Speaker 1: But mostly we have the local stuff to get into.
Speaker 1: Great night for the Utah Hockey Club. I bounce back
Speaker 1: win against Calgary five to one.
Speaker 2: There for the.
Speaker 1: Utah Hockey Club. They got their offense back. Good to
Speaker 1: see Sergachev on a power play goal. Gumpter got his
Speaker 1: sixth of the year. The Utah Jazz welcome in Victor Wi,
Speaker 1: Manyama and the San Antonio Spurs. The Jazz are now
Speaker 1: the only team in the NBA that have not won
Speaker 1: a game, and I'll tell you I'm here for it
Speaker 1: for eighty two.
Speaker 2: Please just do what.
Speaker 1: You have to do to maintain your draft capital to
Speaker 1: try to get a legitimate good piece in the draft
Speaker 1: next year. Only four NBA games Tonight, the NBA TV
Speaker 1: Night as it's known around people who watch basketball, Milwaukee,
Speaker 1: Memphis and then Phoenix and the LA Clippers Houston Dallas
Speaker 1: go at it. Then, of course the aforementioned Spurs Jazz
Speaker 1: game at the Delta Center, So head on, doubt if
Speaker 1: you want to see some jazz basketball. Inching closer and
Speaker 1: closer to the next game for real, saw Lake, it's
Speaker 1: do or die for RSL in Minnesota. After really screwing
Speaker 1: the pooch a little bit, not being able to find
Speaker 1: a goal here in saut Lake on Tuesday, they're gonna
Speaker 1: have to try to make a miracle happen on the
Speaker 1: road against Minnesota. So we'll get to a little RSL
Speaker 1: and obviously a ton of attention on the weekend ahead
Speaker 1: in both local and college football. Excuse me, I should
Speaker 1: say college and pro football because locally both Utah and
Speaker 1: BYU are on buys, But we do have a lot
Speaker 1: of great college football games. From a national perspective, Ohio State,
Speaker 1: Penn State probably top of mind. We've got Michigan and
Speaker 1: Oregon at the Big House. Your NFL weekend starts tonight
Speaker 1: with another in bare seeing team of mind, the New
Speaker 1: York Football Jets and their quarterback known as Throw Rogan
Speaker 1: taking on the Texans. The Jets are actually a favorite
Speaker 1: Texans are a little bit banged up. They lost Stefon Diggs,
Speaker 1: although I do think Nuko Collins is gonna play.
Speaker 2: We'll update you on that. Of course.
Speaker 1: After we say goodnight, you can hear the Jets and
Speaker 1: the Texans as we are your home of the NFL
Speaker 1: in this market. All right, good guest lists excited for this.
Speaker 1: Today we've got Pablo mash Joanna. I was told Pablo's
Speaker 1: not doing media. We're the only show that's gonna get Pablo,
Speaker 1: My guy pops between the loss on Tuesday and the
Speaker 1: match on Saturday, So.
Speaker 2: We're gonna do that right out of the gates. Now,
Speaker 2: we're gonna bring in Craig.
Speaker 1: Bowlerjack and Gordon Monson live in studio for the Big Show,
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Speaker 3: I think we did that once and I don't know
Speaker 3: that he was like as excited about it as I
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Speaker 2: Okay, second hear we do that.
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Speaker 2: Who else?
Speaker 1: If you say Macklimore, then I'm going I kind of
Speaker 1: like Mac Miller. May he rest in peace? Macklimore, Yes
Speaker 1: he was. He was a good talent. So we'll bring
Speaker 1: in Canal into Taco Liotle. College football so NFL college Football, RSL,
Speaker 1: some jazz, and some NBA on a Thursday.
Speaker 2: Our first guest will be Pablo mash Joetti.
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Speaker 1: So, as we've talked about all week, it just feels odd.
Speaker 1: It's the ever changing landscape of college athletics to have
Speaker 1: both Utah and BYU football on buys for the second
Speaker 1: time this year. Now, of course, for the first time
Speaker 1: this year, Utah and BYU will do battle coming up
Speaker 1: next Saturday here in Salt Lake City at rysecl Stadium,
Speaker 1: eight o'clock, eight to fifteen. Tip, excuse me, Porter will
Speaker 1: get going at four fifteen, Porter, do we have a
Speaker 1: quick tease for the pregame coverage of the rivalry game
Speaker 1: we're going to see next week Utah BYU football.
Speaker 3: Actually gonna be a lot of fun. We're gonna be
Speaker 3: up at the kind of a code drive I guess
Speaker 3: for the NFL Play Association. We're gonna be up at
Speaker 3: the tailgate with Nate Orchard, with Stevenson Sylvester Isaacasciata, Jordan Wynn,
Speaker 3: and a collection of friends from down south as well,
Speaker 3: trying to gather a bunch of coats for the upcoming
Speaker 3: winter and preparing for football. So I'll have like an
Speaker 3: assortment of both BYU and Utah former players that are
Speaker 3: stopping by each and every segment, but live from the
Speaker 3: tailgate and hopefully have folks that can bring their extra coats.
Speaker 3: I'll tease that as we get closer.
Speaker 1: For sure, make sure to come early and check out
Speaker 1: the tailgate.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of fun. I'll be up there.
Speaker 1: It's going to be a late kick, so we'll all
Speaker 1: be at the stadium very late. And of course, as
Speaker 1: we've discussed the cruel irony for youth fans up in
Speaker 1: this part of the world who a couple will not
Speaker 1: just cover but care about the University of Utahs that
Speaker 1: literally every single thing that we thought would happen this
Speaker 1: year for Utah football is happening about forty miles down south.
Speaker 1: So BYU rolls up next week with a ton of confidence,
Speaker 1: with a ton of momentum, and honestly, even though they're
Speaker 1: not being front facing about it, because whenever Kilanie talks,
Speaker 1: he just he will never show his hand and he's
Speaker 1: only going to talk about his respect and love for
Speaker 1: his mentor and former boss, former head coach that is
Speaker 1: Kilane Satake actually than Kyle Whittingham, of course, Kilane Jay
Speaker 1: and a Rod part of that two thousand and eight
Speaker 1: unbeaten Utah team that went to the Sugar Bowl and
Speaker 1: beat Alabama. But make no mistake, and you know, talking
Speaker 1: to some people off air who've been listening to the
Speaker 1: program and you know kind of chime in with their take,
Speaker 1: that group will roll up here super motivated and don't
Speaker 1: think for a second that if it gets loose, and
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people that think it will.
Speaker 1: You know, the line has moved just a little bit
Speaker 1: BYU just a slight favorite. It opened up at four,
Speaker 1: you can get at about two and a half or two,
Speaker 1: but it'll it'll continue to move, you know, between now
Speaker 1: and next Saturday. And obviously early on in the season
Speaker 1: and line movement was a little bit of a telltale
Speaker 1: sign about who we would see under center for Utah
Speaker 1: football coming up, whether it was Cam or Isaac. We
Speaker 1: just followed the line and suddenly it would spike like
Speaker 1: five points, like, oh, I guess cams still hurt.
Speaker 2: Coach witt Ad dressed the media and talked about you
Speaker 2: know and kind of here we go again.
Speaker 1: I understand that people are feeling like this, but it
Speaker 1: will be Isaac Wilson and Brandon Rose splitting the first
Speaker 1: team reps. Although Kyle himself said that Isaac has been
Speaker 1: playing injured. That feels a little bit like the Jazz
Speaker 1: after they lost to the Clippers in the playoffs. So like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Rudy and Don were actually hurt. Well, why do you
Speaker 1: say anything before the series? He just lost, so I
Speaker 1: can't speak to it. I have no idea. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it is safe to say that Isaac looked
Speaker 1: better early on when he had reps against Southern Utah, Baylor,
Speaker 1: Utah State, Oklahoma State. Obviously, none of those teams are awesome.
Speaker 1: I think Baylor has been a little bit better as
Speaker 1: of late. But Isaac did look better against the competition
Speaker 1: early on. Prior to you know, Arizona, this didn't look great,
Speaker 1: and then after goes out against ASU didn't look great.
Speaker 1: Of course, the offense over the past four games has
Speaker 1: been anemic by most any measurable metric. They are one
Speaker 1: of the bottom three offenses in the Big twelve, and
Speaker 1: ultimately what BYU seems to do well is kind of
Speaker 1: like the perfect formula for a game that could get
Speaker 1: a little bit loose for Utah football coming up next week.
Speaker 1: As of right now, it appears BYU is as healthy
Speaker 1: as you can possibly be at this point of the season.
Speaker 1: Connor pay apparently is still in a walking boot, but
Speaker 1: there's some there's some rumbling, some rumors that he may
Speaker 1: be ready for the Utah football game. Even with Connor
Speaker 1: on the sideline, that offensive line has been really good
Speaker 1: both protecting Jake and opening up holes for.
Speaker 2: Well any of their running backs.
Speaker 1: They have five backs that have had twenty one carries
Speaker 1: or more and that doesn't even include Miles Davis is
Speaker 1: at eighteen. You know, that's where they've been injured a
Speaker 1: little bit. But lj looks healthy, he looks ready. Hinkley
Speaker 1: Rapati looks healthy, he looks ready, and Jake can run
Speaker 1: it as well. So Utah football, we're really gonna have
Speaker 1: to get back to what we've all become accustomed to
Speaker 1: as far as watching a team who's head coach is
Speaker 1: Kyle Winningham, and look, the narrative that the defense isn't
Speaker 1: good is not fair. The metrics do indicate the Utah's
Speaker 1: defense is elite. Now, you know, I do take a
Speaker 1: little bit of an issue with people who have blamed
Speaker 1: the areas of the defense that aren't necessarily proficient, which
Speaker 1: is odd, and Kyle actually talked about this during his
Speaker 1: media availability. Utah football is not turning the other team
Speaker 1: over and they're not pressuring the quarterback. And in order
Speaker 1: to beat BYU, you're gonna have to pressure Jake and
Speaker 1: you're probably gonna have to capitalize because here's one thing
Speaker 1: about Jake. He still does have those moments. And I'm
Speaker 1: not knocking on the kid because he's been incredible. You know,
Speaker 1: the preseason predictions had him among the worst quarterbacks in
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve. Jake has talked about this himself, as
Speaker 1: he keeps screenshots on his phone to use his motivation.
Speaker 1: And no matter how you spin it, excuse me, no
Speaker 1: matter how you spin it, no matter how you look
Speaker 1: at it, he's gone from being expected to be one
Speaker 1: of the worst quarterbacks in the conference to undeniably being
Speaker 1: one of, if not the best, certainly up there with
Speaker 1: anyone you're gonna talk about.
Speaker 2: So you're gonna have to pressure him.
Speaker 1: And even though Jake has been really good, he still
Speaker 1: has those moments where he makes those mistakes and those
Speaker 1: throws where some of them turned into turnovers. BYU has
Speaker 1: been a little bit fortunate to not have a lot
Speaker 1: of them come back and bite them, but his decision
Speaker 1: making has been better. And hopefully you taught football on
Speaker 1: the defensive side will be healthier than they ever have
Speaker 1: been luckily. I mean, obviously it sucks to here about
Speaker 1: money Parks is out for the year, but I don't
Speaker 1: believe anyone on the defense outside of the early injury
Speaker 1: injury at corner has been deemed to be out for
Speaker 1: the year. So hopefully not just Connor O'Toole being back,
Speaker 1: but Connor O'Toole looking right. Early on in the season,
Speaker 1: Connor was a beast, causing a lot of chaos in
Speaker 1: the backfield, then he went down with the injury. Getting
Speaker 1: Karne back and hopefully back in better game shape coming up.
Speaker 1: Because obviously you cannot replicate a game, and you can't
Speaker 1: replicated game like this because it does.
Speaker 2: Get weird more often than not.
Speaker 1: But Utah football as of now in the Big Twelve,
Speaker 1: number two in scoring defense, number one in total defense,
Speaker 1: number three, in rushing defense, number two in passing defense,
Speaker 1: number five in efficiency. They're the best defensive team on
Speaker 1: both first and third down, but they're eleventh in sacks.
Speaker 1: They're fifteenth in fumbles forced, they're sixteenth in fumbles recovered.
Speaker 1: Remember there's only sixteen teams in this league. They're ninth
Speaker 1: in interceptions, but ultimately they're number one in red zone defense.
Speaker 1: So most of the metrics still indicate that this defense
Speaker 1: is something you guys can hand your hat on if
Speaker 1: you're looking for something to kind of keep that faith
Speaker 1: alive for the final four games of the year, because,
Speaker 1: as we've talked about, and as we'll continue to talk about, yes,
Speaker 1: this team will always be remembered as what could have
Speaker 1: been and oh my gosh, how did we all get
Speaker 1: it so wrong? But you can make your mark on
Speaker 1: this community with a special moment and a special game
Speaker 1: in the RAVA game against BYU. You can be remembered forever,
Speaker 1: even if this team will not be remembered in the
Speaker 1: way that we all thought we would talk about them.
Speaker 1: All Right, Pablo Mashtutt's going to join us coming up
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Speaker 1: I know Fall is about football for a lot of you,
Speaker 1: and certainly it is for us, but it's also about
Speaker 1: football or soccer, whatever you want to call it. I'm
Speaker 1: not judging playoff soccer in MLS is dramatic, it is intense,
Speaker 1: and it continues on Saturday after a rough one on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Our next guest, the head coach of RSL, good enough
Speaker 1: to take some time during a game week, Pablo Mash
Speaker 1: Tojo Honey on a Thursday, Pop's happy Thursday, man, how
Speaker 1: are you doing?
Speaker 6: It's happy Thursday, spends.
Speaker 2: I appreciate the time.
Speaker 1: So when we had you on last and I'm only
Speaker 1: speaking for myself here, I said from my soccer pee brain,
Speaker 1: it felt like Minnesota that is scared to play with
Speaker 1: you and they just want to sit back and try
Speaker 1: to counter a little bit, and that's what they did,
Speaker 1: and it just feels like getting a goal in that
Speaker 1: scenario is really really tough, because getting a goal period is.
Speaker 2: Really really tough.
Speaker 1: As you look back and as you've studied the film,
Speaker 1: what would you point out today that stood in the
Speaker 1: way from you guys finding just one solution in order
Speaker 1: to get that win.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I think you know, Minnesota has been a
Speaker 6: really good defensive team, and the commitment they put towards
Speaker 6: you know, playing behind the ball, and the commitment they
Speaker 6: get from eleven makes it extremely difficult. And when we create,
Speaker 6: you know, we you know, in soccer, there's a there's
Speaker 6: a static called big chances. And in that game at
Speaker 6: the weekend, we created three big chances and essentially it's
Speaker 6: you and the goalkeeper and you and and and we
Speaker 6: didn't finish those three chances. So it's not the volume
Speaker 6: of chances you're going to create about them but against them,
Speaker 6: But it is the quality of the chance that you're
Speaker 6: going to create and then just finishing. And so you know,
Speaker 6: what I said postgame was like making a play, and
Speaker 6: to be fair, their goalkeeper made a play on three
Speaker 6: of our big chances, and so it's it's just and
Speaker 6: And the key to that is if you score a goal,
Speaker 6: their whole plan is kind of thrown out the window
Speaker 6: and now they have to open themselves up, and now
Speaker 6: they have to extend themselves. And we've done really really
Speaker 6: well against teams that open up or press, and what
Speaker 6: we've struggled is is really being intricate in our play
Speaker 6: in tight spaces. And and so you know, looking back,
Speaker 6: there's a couple of things that that we're gonna that
Speaker 6: we're going to do with possession deeper in uh in
Speaker 6: in our build to hopefully, you know, create some space
Speaker 6: between the lines to then be able to exploit those
Speaker 6: spaces with pace. Because again, if you exp if you
Speaker 6: break lines and you penetrate their midfield line, but then
Speaker 6: you take your first touch backwards, you allow the rest
Speaker 6: of their team to get back, and what they are
Speaker 6: is committed to get back. And so it's not about,
Speaker 6: you know, the amount of chances that that you create
Speaker 6: as much as it is taking advantage of the good
Speaker 6: chances that you create on goal. And and and again
Speaker 6: for us, it's going to be scoring the first goal.
Speaker 6: And that's what we've been working towards. While it's not
Speaker 6: obviously giving up the defensive side because the obviously the
Speaker 6: feeling is that we have to go score the goal.
Speaker 6: But if you concede against these guys, now you have
Speaker 6: to score two and that's not the game that we
Speaker 6: want to play.
Speaker 2: So again, you'll have to forgive my ignorance.
Speaker 1: The only time I've seen Minnesota is when you played them,
Speaker 1: and it does feel like from my recollection they do
Speaker 1: play the same regardless of venue. Are you anticipating that
Speaker 1: same style in their place coming up on Saturday?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 6: You know, their coach smitten in common after the game
Speaker 6: and one of our best chances came when they came
Speaker 6: out to press us and we broke through their whole
Speaker 6: team and created a good chance on goal, and he
Speaker 6: made a reference to you know, we're at our worst
Speaker 6: when we're opened up. And so for me, just that
Speaker 6: common alone after that game, uh speaks volumes to what they're.
Speaker 2: Going to do.
Speaker 6: You know that they feel like, well, if we take
Speaker 6: it the currently six, we feel good about our chances.
Speaker 6: We have a game to play with. It's the onus
Speaker 6: is on a Salt Lake to come out and make
Speaker 6: the game. And what they're really good at, because they've
Speaker 6: been playing this way for quite some time, is the
Speaker 6: counter attack. And so the expectation for us is that
Speaker 6: that they're going to play the same play the same way,
Speaker 6: wait for their moments and if they don't, you know,
Speaker 6: I think it's we have an advantage where we feel
Speaker 6: really comfortable with teams exposing themselves, bringing players forward, and
Speaker 6: then us being being able to break lines and create
Speaker 6: more quality opportunities on goal.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's let's dig into some lineup decisions here,
Speaker 1: because and again this is just me asking, pontificating aloud
Speaker 1: and wondering kind of what the motivation was. So we
Speaker 1: had Matt on, we had Matt Crookson a couple of
Speaker 1: days ago, and I asked Matt straight up, like, where
Speaker 1: do you think Doogo uh fits all on the lineup slide?
Speaker 2: You know, where's he best served? He says, he's probably
Speaker 2: best served as a ten, just like I am.
Speaker 1: You know, we're both kind of central players, and you've
Speaker 1: been good to kind of help us understand the connecting
Speaker 1: ability of Matt crooks throughout the course of the season
Speaker 1: because the stats aren't there, but then you look at
Speaker 1: the miles ran and you know the work rate is
Speaker 1: certainly there. So let's start with the decision to go
Speaker 1: with Matt centralized and bring Diogo off the bench.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think for me, and this is the same
Speaker 6: conversation with Diogo, it's it's you know, I think Diego
Speaker 6: is still trying to, you know, figure out a lot
Speaker 6: of things about the league, a lot of things with
Speaker 6: our team, and he actually came in the team when
Speaker 6: we're going through a really rough time. And so my
Speaker 6: conversation with Diego is the same as I'll explain you now,
Speaker 6: is it's just understanding the role on both sides of
Speaker 6: the ball really clearly. And I think that's where Matt
Speaker 6: has an edge. And for me, going you know, with
Speaker 6: a guy that has ten months of experience playing with
Speaker 6: the screw, going through some good times, going through some
Speaker 6: tough times, it's just the familiarity that that that I
Speaker 6: have with Crooks in that position, and then you can
Speaker 6: look at other positions and go, okay, so then how
Speaker 6: can we adjust it? But with Crooks, it's been he
Speaker 6: is the glue to our team and like you really
Speaker 6: pointed out, you're not going to see it in the stats,
Speaker 6: but the way he's been linking with Andreas and and
Speaker 6: the way he's been linking with dom who who you know,
Speaker 6: he played into, you know, create one of our best
Speaker 6: chances of the game against Minnesota, is is too important
Speaker 6: to leave him off the fields. And then the other
Speaker 6: part with Crooks against the team like Minnesota who play
Speaker 6: for set pieces and they're huge, is also that that
Speaker 6: what he brings on set pieces from just an aerial ability.
Speaker 6: And so those are some of the decisions you know
Speaker 6: that went in, you know, when I'm explaining things to
Speaker 6: Diogo as to why I'm going with Matt Crooks. And
Speaker 6: the other part of that is is Diego has had
Speaker 6: his best moments for us when he's come into games
Speaker 6: of the game against the Austin and the game against Portland. Uh,
Speaker 6: those are two games that he scored in and he's
Speaker 6: coming into the game when the game's a bit tired.
Speaker 6: He there's a little bit more space and he's got
Speaker 6: an eye for goal. And so always having that in
Speaker 6: your back pocket is just as important as picking the
Speaker 6: starting team is who are the guys that are going
Speaker 6: to come in if the if the game state is such.
Speaker 6: And so those are the conversations I had with you know,
Speaker 6: with both those guys.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, now you elected to uh, you know later
Speaker 1: on the game bring on Diego and uh, you you
Speaker 1: decided to take off Diego Luna. Now for my money,
Speaker 1: Pablo Diego. And this is just me, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of witnessing and watching. I feel like Diego might be
Speaker 1: in the best form of any of the attacking players
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 7: So take us.
Speaker 2: Okay, So take us through that decision.
Speaker 1: Why you ended up to tall, you know, bringing in
Speaker 1: Diego in place of Diego Luna.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because Diego Luna was cramping.
Speaker 2: Oh okay.
Speaker 6: And so again these are really good quest because again,
Speaker 6: if you just look at it from peripheral, you have
Speaker 6: no idea as as to all the different variables that
Speaker 6: go into making these decisions. So Diego was cramping, he'd
Speaker 6: been he's had a cold for a couple of days.
Speaker 6: And and again, when you're in the playoffs, it's not
Speaker 6: like we can we can wait and see if you
Speaker 6: can get through it. It's more about how do we
Speaker 6: how do we keep the same level of intensity on
Speaker 6: both sides of the ball. And and so Diego, the
Speaker 6: decision with Data Luna was nothing more than he was
Speaker 6: cramping and just wanted to make sure that we had
Speaker 6: legs to to finish out the game the right way.
Speaker 1: Now I got to follow up how's he feeling? Obviously,
Speaker 1: if it's only cramps, that's plenty of time to recover
Speaker 1: for Saturday.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So again, I think the cramping piece comes from probably
Speaker 6: taking the meds. Right, So if you're sick and you
Speaker 6: got the sniffles and you're taking things that are that
Speaker 6: are going to you know, stop you up from from
Speaker 6: doing that naturally, You're you're taking water out of the
Speaker 6: system and it's not functioning the right way.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 6: Talked to him this morning and he says, feels great.
Speaker 6: So that's a real positive heading into the weekends.
Speaker 1: So Julio Anderson comes in for Crooks for Maddie, and honestly,
Speaker 1: when I saw Anderson warming up, I thought you were
Speaker 1: going to take Chicho off because he just continues to
Speaker 1: struggle to fire. And look, he spoiled us. I want
Speaker 1: to be very clear, like this is his fault. The
Speaker 1: reason we're all mad is because he spoiled us. He
Speaker 1: shouldn't have had the start of the season that he had.
Speaker 6: So they're exactly right. Expectations are what leads to disappointment.
Speaker 2: Man, hope kills us all.
Speaker 1: I know you've never seen Ted Lasso, but I did,
Speaker 1: and that was that was the line there. So Julio
Speaker 1: for Crooks instead of Chicho to take us through that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, No, I think it's the same thing. I'm hanging
Speaker 6: on the same thing I think everyone is. Is if
Speaker 6: there's one guy that can create a moment of brilliance
Speaker 6: out of nowhere, it's Chicho. And he doesn't need to
Speaker 6: be necessarily you know, like earlier in the season that
Speaker 6: he might have had games where he wasn't necessarily playing
Speaker 6: the best, but in the right moment, if there's anyone
Speaker 6: on this team that you want on the ball, you know,
Speaker 6: whether it's at midfield or thirty yards out or a
Speaker 6: free kick, I'm hanging on the same hope as everyone
Speaker 6: else is, like when is when is this you know,
Speaker 6: curse going to be taken? You know, when is he
Speaker 6: going to step into the limelight. And so that was
Speaker 6: the thought behind that. And then obviously what we realized
Speaker 6: again with Andal going up there out there and exposing
Speaker 6: some of their deficiencies in the back line is we
Speaker 6: need to move their back line a lot more than
Speaker 6: we did, and the only way to do that is
Speaker 6: to play behind the line, in other words, looking for
Speaker 6: balls to get in behind, and that's not chi Cho's strength,
Speaker 6: and just thought that Chichos a very good pass of
Speaker 6: the ball and with Ando running what we'll create some chances.
Speaker 6: And then the game did open up a little bit
Speaker 6: there in the second half, but we want to be
Speaker 6: more consistent with that heading into this next game.
Speaker 1: So certainly I would never tell you how to do
Speaker 1: your job. I will say this. I mean, obviously, if
Speaker 1: you ever want to come in and do four hours
Speaker 1: of radio, I'll go run training Pablo. We can we
Speaker 1: can do a straight what do they call that? Like
Speaker 1: for like in soccer, But it's yeah, it felt like
Speaker 1: when you brought brodyon and pushed a mech back to
Speaker 1: you know, a centralized midfield role, the team looked a
Speaker 1: little bit different.
Speaker 2: And look, he's so good, you can move him around.
Speaker 1: But I mean it's due or die time, right, So
Speaker 1: I would imagine moving forward, you like a Mecca centralized
Speaker 1: in the midfield.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And again that's a byproduct of losing Bearra for
Speaker 6: three games, right. Just to be fair to Gervane, I
Speaker 6: thought he did a fantastic job filling in for Bara.
Speaker 6: But again, now from an attacking perspective, we don't have
Speaker 6: the left foot that can play balls into those areas.
Speaker 6: You know, from a more comfortable position. And so yeah,
Speaker 6: you know, again, coaching is and oftentimes it's not from
Speaker 6: a place of ideal, it's from a place of needs.
Speaker 6: And in that particular case, a Mecca, we had a
Speaker 6: mech out there to start because of how robust and
Speaker 6: how quick they are on the counter and making sure
Speaker 6: that we solidify that. But obviously when a Mecca went
Speaker 6: in the middle of the field, you know, the game
Speaker 6: changed and we were able to penetrate centrally with him driving,
Speaker 6: with him picking up second balls, and so our team
Speaker 6: is completely different with the Mecca in the middle of
Speaker 6: the field.
Speaker 1: So now over to the most unfair media question of
Speaker 1: all time, because your penalty kick situation before has worked
Speaker 1: very well and Justin Glad is the one that scored
Speaker 1: the game winning penalty against Seattle. But you know the deal,
Speaker 1: when it doesn't work, you've got to talk about it.
Speaker 1: And I've heard from you know, we've had players on
Speaker 1: the show and then Donny on the broadcast. Now I
Speaker 1: believe you yourself, Pablo have talked about you know, not
Speaker 1: wanting to have your Okay, here's my five, then here's
Speaker 1: my next five, and having it scripted correct. So how
Speaker 1: do you approach that situation? Kind of explain that to
Speaker 1: our listeners.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I again, we did things different, Spen. So
Speaker 6: I want to get to my intuition, which is to
Speaker 6: not have it scripted. And you know, obviously Chi show
Speaker 6: Geoger got Anderson, and you know, we had two other
Speaker 6: guys that were going to take one in front of
Speaker 6: Justin Glad, Alex Katronis and Dominic, and both those guys
Speaker 6: said that they were cramping and they didn't feel comfortable
Speaker 6: taking it right, and so as a coach, and then
Speaker 6: then you go to the next one and you say,
Speaker 6: Jake Glad, you're ready to take one? And he said, yes,
Speaker 6: you know, And so we had our five picked out
Speaker 6: and the Mecca was going to always be fifth. But
Speaker 6: those are little situations again that you have to those
Speaker 6: are real time. So even though it was scripted that
Speaker 6: we had Alex in there, then it's real time and
Speaker 6: it's like, yeah, I just don't feel comfortable with Mike growing.
Speaker 6: And then Dominic had a calf, and so then what
Speaker 6: we need shooters, right, we need someone to step up,
Speaker 6: and so you know, Jay Glad stepped up and unfortunately
Speaker 6: didn't didn't make his but but again, I think it's
Speaker 6: all it's all collaborative. It's not it's not just you know,
Speaker 6: me going you're the five. It's it's we had a
Speaker 6: five and then when when two guys kind of pull
Speaker 6: out and then you have to go to the next guy
Speaker 6: and then oh, hey it was six, and so yeah,
Speaker 6: but that's that's that's a part of it. And you know,
Speaker 6: that's one of the things I've been talking to the
Speaker 6: players about is don't confuse the performance with the result, right,
Speaker 6: especially when it comes to penalty kicks, because it's really
Speaker 6: about tapping in a a ball from twelve yards out,
Speaker 6: and for as easy as it is on Tuesday, you know,
Speaker 6: with twenty thousand people in the stadium and walking fifty
Speaker 6: yards to the ball, it's a lonely place to be.
Speaker 6: And so if it's if you're not confident, if you
Speaker 6: don't believe, if you're not hitting the back of the
Speaker 6: net in your mind before you step up to the ball,
Speaker 6: that goal becomes a lot smaller and that that ball
Speaker 6: becomes a lot bigger.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 6: So you know, we'll work on those again tomorrow. But
Speaker 6: I think we've seen the last couple of weeks guys
Speaker 6: that we feel comfortable, and not that we feel comfortable,
Speaker 6: that they feel comfortable stepping up and taking a pek
Speaker 6: if it needs if we get to that point.
Speaker 1: So let's get into some bright spots from my perspective,
Speaker 1: and then we'll talk about Saturday. Then I'll set you
Speaker 1: loose today. Dominick Dominic Mark Zuke. You know, the more
Speaker 1: and more I watch him, the more and more I
Speaker 1: feel like there's a lot to like. He created a
Speaker 1: couple of really really good chances. One to diego that
Speaker 1: I thought the Saint Claire kid was good. I mean,
Speaker 1: you got to tip your cap to their keeper, yep.
Speaker 1: But I thought Mark Zuke had a really bright match
Speaker 1: for you. Tell me what you saw from your vantage point.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, he continues to impress. You know again, I
Speaker 6: think a lot. You know what you see on Saturday,
Speaker 6: But for me, it's even deeper. It's it's a young
Speaker 6: man that's coming across to a new country for the
Speaker 6: first time in his life, moving away from his family
Speaker 6: and all of home, and learning to how we want
Speaker 6: to play, learning what this league is all about, and
Speaker 6: then exhibiting his skill sets. And I think on offense,
Speaker 6: his ability to get forward and look for his teammates
Speaker 6: in dangerous areas. Has been a real, real bright spot.
Speaker 6: And then defensively is graft to do all the work
Speaker 6: that and it's not it's not always easy in this
Speaker 6: league because it's very there's a lot of transition, but
Speaker 6: he seems to you know, hold his own in that
Speaker 6: department as well, And so I think with time, you know,
Speaker 6: there's there's hopeful that he will be one of the
Speaker 6: best wingers in this league. And he's and with every
Speaker 6: game I see a player with more and more confidence
Speaker 6: and the ability to name for himself in this league.
Speaker 6: And then you know in world football as.
Speaker 1: Well, several bright moments for Toronto's are left back and
Speaker 1: you know, he's kind of landed and solidified that spot.
Speaker 1: And I know how much you trust him, but I
Speaker 1: thought he was another bright spot on Tuesday.
Speaker 2: Give me, give me your thoughts on that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, No, I think Katronta's uh, you know, he's a gamer,
Speaker 6: he's got he's got a great mindset, he competes the
Speaker 6: right way, he's he's he's good going forward and I
Speaker 6: think more than anything else, the way he could competed,
Speaker 6: you know, against Minnesota on Tuesday was fantastic and and
Speaker 6: and and I think that's what, you know, it stifles
Speaker 6: their attack on the right side when when he's aggressive,
Speaker 6: when he's got the right mindset, when he's winning his duels,
Speaker 6: and and I think he did a great job of that.
Speaker 6: And so both on the right with you know, uh Dominic,
Speaker 6: and on the left with with Katronis Is it's critical
Speaker 6: for us to be able to maintain control of the
Speaker 6: game with and without the ball.
Speaker 1: I was proud of Zach, you know, ultimately, like when
Speaker 1: he took that, to take a shot at that speed
Speaker 1: in that weather, like he did right off his chest,
Speaker 1: I was like, well, Zach's dead. They're gonna have to
Speaker 1: you know, like I that looked. I mean, if you've
Speaker 1: ever been hit with a soccer ball, it is it's
Speaker 1: not awesome.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure it's happened to you several times.
Speaker 1: But I thought he stepped up in a way that
Speaker 1: silenced a lot of people that have just been crushing
Speaker 1: him all year.
Speaker 2: So little kudos to your keeper on a on a Thursday.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, no, I thought I thought it was a
Speaker 6: fantastic performance, you know, And I think, you know, is
Speaker 6: really interesting because again, the obviously when you don't score
Speaker 6: goal there's not a lot of cheers on the on
Speaker 6: the offensive side, but the amount of cheers coming from
Speaker 6: from that side of the stadium every time he made
Speaker 6: a save was was really profound. And and and again
Speaker 6: it it it gives the guys the boost that they need,
Speaker 6: right because because again, game of soccer is hard to
Speaker 6: score goals. And when you're keeper standing on his head
Speaker 6: back there and he's basically saying with his performance, we
Speaker 6: got this guy's you know, and it stills belief in
Speaker 6: the group. And and it's not easy and oftentimes, you know,
Speaker 6: we talk about, you know, given players confidence, and I
Speaker 6: think this is a really important point with like with
Speaker 6: with all players in all sports, is the coach gives
Speaker 6: you confidence by putting you on the field, and you
Speaker 6: give the coach and the rest of the team confidence
Speaker 6: by your performance. And so, you know, when Zach was
Speaker 6: inserted back in the lineup, it wasn't like we had
Speaker 6: this pow wow and like, hey, Kumbai, everything's great. It's
Speaker 6: go out there and show everyone right, go out there
Speaker 6: and prove that you belong out here. And and so
Speaker 6: that's you know, behind all the you know, the s
Speaker 6: says that he made at the weekend I'm just proud
Speaker 6: of the responsibility he took and the confidence that he
Speaker 6: that he that was drived from inside to show what
Speaker 6: he's capable of doing when everyone else thought he was
Speaker 6: he was you know that that he shouldn't be there.
Speaker 6: And so I think every every game, every training session
Speaker 6: is an opportunity for players to bring confidence to themselves
Speaker 6: by the way they apply the work and training, by
Speaker 6: the way they apply the work in games. And and
Speaker 6: now we have a really confident goalkeeper where you know,
Speaker 6: five six weeks ago, you know, you and I were
Speaker 6: on the phone talking about who's the number one and
Speaker 6: who's performing great, and now it's it's clear that zach
Speaker 6: Is is a guy that's ready for the moment.
Speaker 1: Jay Glad and Oheeda I have been two of your
Speaker 1: best players all year and one snapshot PK moment will
Speaker 1: not define their contributions.
Speaker 2: Did you do you say.
Speaker 1: Anything the guys in that moment or do you just
Speaker 1: kind of let it die and move on and focus on.
Speaker 6: The next Yeah, no, I think again, I don't focus
Speaker 6: in on that part of it. And like I said earlier,
Speaker 6: you know, I talk about the performance, and we performed
Speaker 6: well enough to win that game. And we just got
Speaker 6: to be sharper and and hope on the day that
Speaker 6: their goalkeeper isn't as sharp as he was, right, So
Speaker 6: it's a combination of everything, and so is to make
Speaker 6: sure that you know, the PK shoot at isn't a
Speaker 6: reflection of the way we performed, and we got to
Speaker 6: go out and improve our performance, right, but without allowing
Speaker 6: the motions of the PK get involved to where it
Speaker 6: starts to detract from their ability to play in the
Speaker 6: ninety minutes. And so the focus is, you know, in
Speaker 6: the last days has been we've got to win this
Speaker 6: game in the ninety minutes and being well balanced on
Speaker 6: defense as well as being sharp on offense. I think
Speaker 6: we can get to that point. And so it's listen,
Speaker 6: there's no lonelier place to be than shooting a PK
Speaker 6: missing and then walking back. And so how quickly you know,
Speaker 6: we can take the attention off that and focus on
Speaker 6: getting back to work and improving the ninety minutes is critical,
Speaker 6: I think to the team and in particular those two
Speaker 6: players' mindsets.
Speaker 2: So you're going to luck.
Speaker 1: Out a little bit with weather on Saturday, Saint Paul's
Speaker 1: about fifty nine degrees and no rain, and it's going
Speaker 1: to rain for three days after that. So that's good
Speaker 1: because with good weather itich means you guys can maybe
Speaker 1: express yourselves in an attacking way a little bit differently,
Speaker 1: Let's start with what getting Brian back does for you
Speaker 1: and kind of where he's at mentally after he's he's
Speaker 1: taken a lot of heat and he deserves it. He
Speaker 1: knows it, you know, obviously you and I talked about it,
Speaker 1: But where is his head at and what does his
Speaker 1: re entry into the lineup being for you guys on Saturday.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's a it's a it's a it's
Speaker 6: a great opportunity for him and a great moment for
Speaker 6: us to go back and having you know, Jervaine on
Speaker 6: the right and and Bear on the left, and obviously
Speaker 6: his will you know, he'll pick off or Javaine left
Speaker 6: off with his with his you know, aggressiveness, his ability
Speaker 6: to to win one d one duels, and that's that's
Speaker 6: a strength of VARA's. But the other part of Era,
Speaker 6: especially against a team that's really stingy defensively, is utilizing
Speaker 6: him on set pieces and and and and letting that
Speaker 6: left foot go a little bit more and he brings
Speaker 6: that that, you know, that advantage to to our group
Speaker 6: from from a set piece perspective. So the other part is,
Speaker 6: you know, his ability to play a left footed ball
Speaker 6: into a channel that kind of curls into the forward
Speaker 6: versus a right footed player that's more times than not
Speaker 6: the ball starts running towards the sideline from that position.
Speaker 6: So I think on you know, all sides, on both
Speaker 6: sides of the ball and all phases of the game,
Speaker 6: Vera you know, makes her team a much more competitive group.
Speaker 6: And then obviously putting Javane on the right allows players
Speaker 6: to play positions that they're comfortable in.
Speaker 2: All right, last thing that I'll set you loose.
Speaker 1: After studying the tape and as you pointed out earlier
Speaker 1: in the interview, understanding that Minnesota is going to play
Speaker 1: the very same way, have you been able to, you know,
Speaker 1: with your staff, either look at different attacking options in
Speaker 1: the lineup or looking at different attacking tactics to try
Speaker 1: to because I think if you can just get one,
Speaker 1: I think it would change the entire scope.
Speaker 2: Then they'll have to engage you.
Speaker 1: And if they engage you, I have confidence you guys
Speaker 1: can outplay them. So how do you find that first solution,
Speaker 1: I guess is a much easier way of asking it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, No, I think that's a great question, and I'd
Speaker 6: say both. So we've identified both, right, because obviously, with
Speaker 6: a change of tactics and not changing tactics, but adding
Speaker 6: wrinkles within the tactics, you're going to rely on players'
Speaker 6: natural abilities, right, and so so in order to to
Speaker 6: throw a wrinkle in the in our attacking scheme, we're
Speaker 6: going to also tweak it with with personnel that is
Speaker 6: more likely to perform those actions than asking somebody to
Speaker 6: do something that they're not comfortable doing, right. And so
Speaker 6: the biggest thing for me is when we break lines,
Speaker 6: in other words, where we eliminate three or four of
Speaker 6: their defensive players, especially you know they have a tight
Speaker 6: group of five upfront, and when we eliminate these guys
Speaker 6: with a pass is to make sure that we're attacking
Speaker 6: their back five and and oftentimes I felt like in
Speaker 6: this last game, is we break a line to go forward,
Speaker 6: our first touch cub is back, which allows them to
Speaker 6: get back into a shape which now they're in a
Speaker 6: five four to one close to goal, and it's very
Speaker 6: hard to find spaces to to operate and to be
Speaker 6: you know, and to control the game in that in
Speaker 6: that phase as far as creating quality chances. And so
Speaker 6: for me, it's it's really about breaking lines and being
Speaker 6: very aggressive with our attack and and and then and
Speaker 6: disorganizing their back line as opposed to letting them get
Speaker 6: back into the shape. So that's going to take you
Speaker 6: a wrinkle in tactics and a change in personnel in
Speaker 6: order to hopefully achieve what we want, knowing that we
Speaker 6: have great players to come into the game and make
Speaker 6: the difference when it opens up.
Speaker 1: Well, look, man, I have cleared my calendar. On Saturday,
Speaker 1: November the eighth, at seven o'clock PM back here in
Speaker 1: our market, I'm told tickets are selling fast.
Speaker 2: So you've got an army back here cheering you on
Speaker 2: up there. Go get it done.
Speaker 7: Okay, let's go.
Speaker 1: Spence, appreciate it, Bud, all right, Pablo mash Johnny head
Speaker 1: coach of RSL one more shot to create a moment
Speaker 1: and find a solution.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's good to see you guys. And I just
Speaker 8: want to know that this all happened, because you know,
Speaker 8: we got Gordon in two straight weeks with the with
Speaker 8: a special nil you know, deposit in his account.
Speaker 2: Oh that's good, because I was afraid he was going
Speaker 2: to transfer on us.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm glad we got I thought he could be
Speaker 8: in the portal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, but we drew him back.
Speaker 5: It's never about the money, oh never, never, No, Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's the kids.
Speaker 2: It's always about the kids. The kids.
Speaker 1: But right out of the gates, we've got to get
Speaker 1: Gordon's take. So we were talking about the interview I
Speaker 1: just did with Pablo Masconti, the head coach of RSL
Speaker 1: and Gordon as you know Minnesota imply. You know, they
Speaker 1: implore a tactic where they put eleven behind the ball
Speaker 1: and park the bus. As they say, tactically, how does
Speaker 1: RSL break down that that style of defense?
Speaker 5: Attack, attack, press forward, because you kind of if they're
Speaker 5: parking the bus.
Speaker 2: You know what, I hate it when teams do that.
Speaker 5: You got to you gotta force them out of that,
Speaker 5: and the best way to do that is with numbers.
Speaker 2: You know, Spence may follow up, please do I'm curious.
Speaker 8: So with parking the bush, Gordo, how do you go
Speaker 8: about like maybe blowing out one or two tires of
Speaker 8: that bus.
Speaker 5: Well, you don't want to do that because you want
Speaker 5: to move the bus, the entire bus, the entire bus.
Speaker 5: So you want to move the entire bus, not flatten it. No, no,
Speaker 5: you want to get it out. Yeah, just move it.
Speaker 2: And movement.
Speaker 5: Well, you know this from all the sports that you've
Speaker 5: covered through the years and spency.
Speaker 2: You play a lot of sports.
Speaker 5: Movement, movement is really important, good form and movement. If
Speaker 5: RSOL does that, I think they'll be overcome.
Speaker 2: Last one here, because you're a historian of sorts.
Speaker 1: Which manager, historically speaking, has been most successful at attacking
Speaker 1: this type of defense.
Speaker 5: Oh man, that's a tough one because you know, I
Speaker 5: think it might be Carl Fisher.
Speaker 2: Carl Fisher, it always comes back.
Speaker 1: He must have been quite the savant because it always
Speaker 1: lands on Carl Fisher.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't know who he is. You know, I
Speaker 8: will research that. I want to research all.
Speaker 1: Right, Moving on Craig, Unfortunately we have to start with
Speaker 1: just such a sad situation. Taylor Hendrix comes back and
Speaker 1: you're like, the dude looks different.
Speaker 2: His body was bigger and stronger.
Speaker 1: For the first couple of games, he had great individual
Speaker 1: isolation defensive moments on jaw on Luca. And I was
Speaker 1: telling you that at night there was like four different
Speaker 1: There was football, there was World Series. So I'm flipping
Speaker 1: back and forth. I get ten techs say the same thing.
Speaker 1: Did you see what just happened to Taylor switch back,
Speaker 1: do one watch? I'm not a replay when you see
Speaker 1: a lego the other way? Guy, you were courtside. What
Speaker 1: was it like in the moment and what have you
Speaker 1: heard since?
Speaker 8: Well, you know, I just my gut dropped because in
Speaker 8: my career, I've seen so many of these leg and
Speaker 8: knee injuries and I have a tough time and the
Speaker 8: truck does too. By the way, Yeah, whether it's network
Speaker 8: and what we do locally here, it is a tough,
Speaker 8: tough replay. Sometimes we'll look back at it during the
Speaker 8: commercial break because ultimately they take you to break soon
Speaker 8: after because the medical teams come out and they did
Speaker 8: a great job getting there quickly. Hats off to Dallas.
Speaker 8: They were there quickly. But I you know what's weird,
Speaker 8: Gordo is I just had this weird tunnel, you know,
Speaker 8: like look at it is like it was like, okay,
Speaker 8: it wasn't the full floor. It's almost like, you know,
Speaker 8: there were players and fans, but there was just enough,
Speaker 8: just enough of a crack for me to just kind
Speaker 8: of go, oh man. And that was my gut inside
Speaker 8: was oh man. And I don't know even what I said,
Speaker 8: but the after effects of Will's reaction spoke volumes, and
Speaker 8: then I thought the most important part, I thought to
Speaker 8: show you what the team concept is is Keyante's reaction.
Speaker 8: You see a young man's eyes flooded with tears and
Speaker 8: then to hold back the I think just to absolutely
Speaker 8: cry out loud, was for him to chew on that
Speaker 8: towel for a minute or two or more. And then
Speaker 8: I've found later that those two were close. Those two
Speaker 8: had worked during the off season to really prepare for
Speaker 8: the jump, and they both wanted to be guys in
Speaker 8: their second years to as they say, pop and it's
Speaker 8: just tough to see the what they hope would be
Speaker 8: the future core of this team. One of them has
Speaker 8: to take a step back, and you know, I don't
Speaker 8: I don't know when the surgery, if it has happened.
Speaker 8: I was told on Monday that the process was still
Speaker 8: just the evaluation was still going on. They made that
Speaker 8: public with Will, so they'll probably be quiet just to
Speaker 8: protect his privacy, and I understand that, but you know,
Speaker 8: you just have to hope him the best. It's good
Speaker 8: to be young and twenty. It's a difficult one to
Speaker 8: come back from. There's multiple injuries that we can all remember, right,
Speaker 8: seeing guys who do come back and then some who don't.
Speaker 8: But you have to. You have to in the mindset. Man,
Speaker 8: it's a mental mental game right now. And I wish
Speaker 8: him well. He had in spenced your point, He had
Speaker 8: put on weight, a muscle, and he was defending well
Speaker 8: and he's actually starting to get more confident with his
Speaker 8: three point shot with a little bit more spreading on
Speaker 8: the floor. So it's really rough for the Jazz, but
Speaker 8: also tougher for Taylor Hendricks Gordon. If I could spin
Speaker 8: this in a way that eventually my be positive, I
Speaker 8: can remember. So like Blake Griffin rookie year, it's a
Speaker 8: different injury, but he had to sit his entire rookie
Speaker 8: year and that gave Blake an extra year to develop.
Speaker 8: And what that ended up doing is putting Blake kind
Speaker 8: of in the beginning of his prime when they had
Speaker 8: Chris Paul there and DeAndre Jordan and it was lob sitting.
Speaker 2: They're really good.
Speaker 1: They didn't win a trophy, but they were a playoff team.
Speaker 2: They were really good. And if you look at let
Speaker 2: me just say this, the Jazz are losing and I'm
Speaker 2: here for it, all right. That's just me as you know,
Speaker 2: we've talked about it.
Speaker 1: So if this is the deal, if it's going to
Speaker 1: be rough all year and they knock on wood, get
Speaker 1: some lottery luck. And if you've been watching the early
Speaker 1: returns of Duke basketball, you can see Cooper flag up close.
Speaker 1: I'm salivating thinking about the potential. So it gives Taylor,
Speaker 1: first of all, lucky that he's twenty. Because he's young,
Speaker 1: he'll recover. The Jazz medical team is great, and if
Speaker 1: you play the tape forward, maybe it gives Taylor some
Speaker 1: extra time to develop and these younger players to grow
Speaker 1: and they can gell a little bit more together. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to be positive, but it has happened before. It
Speaker 1: actually did happen in Philly with Ben Simmons too, but
Speaker 1: then something happened with him and he just has been
Speaker 1: the same player. So if the timeline works out, it
Speaker 1: might ultimately at the end if we played forward, be
Speaker 1: a positive.
Speaker 5: I guess as long as the mental stuff comes back together.
Speaker 5: You know, I've talked to athletes before and they they're
Speaker 5: hesitant to ever admit about the mental side of overcoming
Speaker 5: a physical problem.
Speaker 2: And if he can do that, then you're right. I
Speaker 2: agree with you one hundred percent.
Speaker 5: Never as good as actually having an opportunity to play.
Speaker 5: But it's not like it's useless. It's not like it's
Speaker 5: a waste. But I mean, I've talked to trainers before,
Speaker 5: you know, the first guys, the doctors on the scene
Speaker 5: of something like that, and these guys have had injuries
Speaker 5: before and whatnot. But even then, the trainers told me
Speaker 5: that they count on their bodies as this is their vehicle.
Speaker 5: We all do, right, we're all human, but these guys
Speaker 5: use their bodies in their work in a way that is,
Speaker 5: they depend on it. And so when something like that happened,
Speaker 5: it's shocking to anyone, but to an athlete who's depended
Speaker 5: on that leg his whole career, this is kind of
Speaker 5: a weird thing for him to go through. One question
Speaker 5: I have for you Bowler, though, is you talked about
Speaker 5: decisions about showing the replay.
Speaker 2: Who makes that decision?
Speaker 8: Ultimately, Uh, you have to trust producer director where they
Speaker 8: have a millisecond or two to decide, you know, the
Speaker 8: gruesomeness of the injury. And also I think too, you know,
Speaker 8: society has changed a lot from the days of thisament
Speaker 8: on Monday Night football. You remember the match Dicks, his
Speaker 8: legs snapped in half, and how many times can you
Speaker 8: replay that? You know, it's really up to I think
Speaker 8: the personalities of the guys I work with both at CBS,
Speaker 8: Fox and ESPN, and with the guys with the Jazz,
Speaker 8: they have a better view of it than I do,
Speaker 8: and I have to trust them that that's not what
Speaker 8: we want to see right now, especially when the ankle
Speaker 8: the ankle is pulled to the right about four inches
Speaker 8: and that that you know he's got a tibial you
Speaker 8: know break as well, and you know then the look
Speaker 8: in his eyes. I mean I saw all of that
Speaker 8: in a flash, and some people want to replay that
Speaker 8: stuff and see it. I get it, but I think
Speaker 8: they're trying to also protect the interest of the player.
Speaker 1: What would you do, Spence, if you were the producer
Speaker 1: going to break? I mean, look, that's what we did.
Speaker 1: Yeah you did, and I thought it was the right call.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was my guy travor what
Speaker 1: have you, but like in this day and age, if
Speaker 1: you want to go find that, you can in five minutes.
Speaker 1: I mean I had three texts with the video, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, within two minutes of that happened. Multiple angles
Speaker 1: that were that were that were shown on on well
Speaker 1: what is no X and any social media outlet. You
Speaker 1: could get your full taste of it. If you want
Speaker 1: to rewind and play rewind it. Yeah, if you want
Speaker 1: to be a masochist on your time, go ahead. But
Speaker 1: for the broadcasting, for the kid, let's go to break.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think I think there's a lot to do
Speaker 2: with it.
Speaker 8: Is to protect the moment for him, even though fans
Speaker 8: are intrigued to say worally what happened to him? You
Speaker 8: know did when I saw it again, his body weight
Speaker 8: really fell back on the right side of his leg
Speaker 8: and I think that, you know, a little stumble with
Speaker 8: his left toe shoe and then boom it just it
Speaker 8: happens so quickly in any sport injury. It's almost like
Speaker 8: you're dumbfounded and you know, getting back to what you're saying, Gordo,
Speaker 8: I think with this, from my experience, is that he
Speaker 8: won't be left alone. He'll have a trainer working with him.
Speaker 8: But there's a loneliness that sets in because you're so
Speaker 8: used all your life to be a part of a
Speaker 8: team concept and to be a part of the group,
Speaker 8: the huddle that's starting five or the eleven in football,
Speaker 8: and you have to be mentally tough. Whoever's working with
Speaker 8: you has to be special because they have to push
Speaker 8: you beyond your own mind's limits. And I think for
Speaker 8: him being twenty, he'll learn a lot about himself in
Speaker 8: this process.
Speaker 7: Guys.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, this is going to be a mental
Speaker 8: war about how far can I go? How far can
Speaker 8: I push myself? And the guys that work with him won't.
Speaker 8: We won't see much of them in the public eye,
Speaker 8: but they may be the most couple of most important
Speaker 8: people in his life over the next fourteen twelve to
Speaker 8: fourteen months.
Speaker 5: After develop a trust, you do to okay, push me,
Speaker 5: don't push me too far. But when you push me
Speaker 5: and then help me overcome any kind of lingering fear.
Speaker 2: But when you're alone, that's where it can collapse on you,
Speaker 2: whether it's dark places or you doubt yourself, why me,
Speaker 2: Oh my God.
Speaker 8: To get into that mindset, the loneliness sets in because
Speaker 8: you know what the guys around playing, and all you
Speaker 8: can do is maybe watch and you'll maybe hit a
Speaker 8: game or two, or you're rehabbing, but you know the
Speaker 8: teammates will be important too to stay in contact with
Speaker 8: Taylor because again, being a young club, they're all trying
Speaker 8: to grow together and build this championship, you know, hopeful,
Speaker 8: this drive to a title. And now Taylor, one of
Speaker 8: the bigger pieces is out and man, you just don't
Speaker 8: want to go dark places. You've got to stay positive
Speaker 8: and a lot of people around you will help that.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I've been told this and I don't know.
Speaker 5: I'm trying to figure my own experience. But people say,
Speaker 5: who go through some sort of trauma like that, they
Speaker 5: many of them have told me that when it's the
Speaker 5: most painful moment is when they wake up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well in the morning. It could be two weeks later,
Speaker 2: first thing.
Speaker 5: They wake up and they relive it all over again
Speaker 5: because they're used.
Speaker 2: To getting up and jumping around and doing what they do.
Speaker 5: And there it is, there, injuries there, and they have
Speaker 5: to overcome it.
Speaker 8: You may have a nice sleep and no tell them
Speaker 8: what the dream state is, and then when you look
Speaker 8: at it, you go, I'm back and here I've got
Speaker 8: to go back and work again and work hard, harder
Speaker 8: than most.
Speaker 1: Last thing on this because there I want to do
Speaker 1: some college football in our second segment and then there
Speaker 1: are plenty of other jazz things to get to you.
Speaker 1: But do you know anything about Taylor's family? I mean,
Speaker 1: will they be here? Because he's a young kid. I
Speaker 1: don't believe he's married. I know his family is not local.
Speaker 1: And what you said is so spot on, like and
Speaker 1: in the moments the trainers aren't there.
Speaker 2: Hard for me to picture him just being alone at
Speaker 2: that age.
Speaker 8: I would hope, Yeah, you know, I don't can't say
Speaker 8: for sure who has surrounded him, but I have a
Speaker 8: feeling family has come calling. And that's a good thing
Speaker 8: because that that takes care of some of that quote
Speaker 8: darkness when you know everyone else has gone away on
Speaker 8: a road trip like the jazz will starting tomorrow, and
Speaker 8: you can think about him, but you know he's not playing.
Speaker 8: He's either recovering from surgery, going into surgery, and then
Speaker 8: the long process of the rehab.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 2: That's he's got a tough task ahead.
Speaker 8: And you hope he's driven, Yeah, and you hope that
Speaker 8: people that work with him will drive him, even you know,
Speaker 8: to another level that he may not even know he has.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope.
Speaker 1: I mean, if there's any chance he I doubt Taylor
Speaker 1: listens to sports soccer radio.
Speaker 2: But if you're listening, buddy, we're all behind you, all right.
Speaker 1: I want to get something from both of you on Kyante.
Speaker 1: And I've been talking about this all week because I
Speaker 1: don't usually get too concerned about make or miss with
Speaker 1: rookies and young players and like summer league and stuff.
Speaker 1: But at this point his career at Baylor, he played
Speaker 1: in thirty three games. In college, he shot thirty seven
Speaker 1: percent from the floor in thirty three percent from three.
Speaker 1: You're one Utah, thirty nine percent from the floor, thirty
Speaker 1: three percent from three. It's only four games, but this
Speaker 1: year so far his splits are even worse. At this point,
Speaker 1: Kyante is twenty six percent from the floor and twenty
Speaker 1: two percent from three. So we just simply have a
Speaker 1: basketball player for about two and a half years has
Speaker 1: shown the inability to simply make shots.
Speaker 2: So you have a front row seat, and I want
Speaker 2: to give this on both of you.
Speaker 1: Are you reaching a level where you're a little concerned
Speaker 1: or you just see a young kid trying to learn,
Speaker 1: uh combination.
Speaker 8: I think what's happened to Kyante is going from a
Speaker 8: two to a one to run the show. And I
Speaker 8: think the immense pressure on him is real. Look, this
Speaker 8: is this is the NBA, and he did have eleven
Speaker 8: assistant yes, and he's trying to do things without. He's
Speaker 8: trying to cut back on turnovers as well making better.
Speaker 8: I'd rather see him concentrate on getting his teammates involved
Speaker 8: than being so focused on trying to be you know,
Speaker 8: walking the ball down or making the three or you know, look,
Speaker 8: it's still I think what Will would say is too
Speaker 8: is it's early. But also you've got to continue to
Speaker 8: get your teammates involved and take the best shot. I
Speaker 8: think the Jazz in these first four games, I always
Speaker 8: say from my chair and big team, I talked about
Speaker 8: it to shoot around this morning. The shots look good,
Speaker 8: there's open space. It's just a matter of the simpleton
Speaker 8: fact of can you make it and will you make it?
Speaker 8: Or when does that come? I sense still, you know,
Speaker 8: this pressure of youth expectations, quick growth. They want to win,
Speaker 8: they want to prove people wrong. They don't talk about lottery.
Speaker 8: They go out and know their careers are on the
Speaker 8: line and they want to develop. That is what I
Speaker 8: hear echoing through the jazz and on the flights and
Speaker 8: and shoot arounds. On the road when you get to
Speaker 8: get to talk to these guys even more so. I mean,
Speaker 8: they're a positive group, and you know it's they've added
Speaker 8: a couple of you know, vets to help them with
Speaker 8: their mindset.
Speaker 2: But Gordon numbers don't lie.
Speaker 8: I think, you know, through four I think after fifteen
Speaker 8: games for me, maybe twenties a stretch. But if this continues,
Speaker 8: then yeah, you may have an issue. There's a lot
Speaker 8: of guys who say, when you're eighteen and nineteen coming
Speaker 8: out of college, you have to learn how to shoot.
Speaker 8: I always thought that was just so ridiculous to point out.
Speaker 8: But in reality, you know, the old four year guys
Speaker 8: had been through the wars, but no more. It's like
Speaker 8: you grow up and develop why you're an NBA player,
Speaker 8: And that wasn't the case during the days of Jerry Sloman.
Speaker 5: I had a long conversation with Jeff Hornisack about shooting
Speaker 5: and he said I got to ask, Yeah, I figured,
Speaker 5: and he said, you go through these slumps and you've
Speaker 5: got to stay positive and he can't start shooting. You
Speaker 5: got to play your game. But Spence, the numbers you
Speaker 5: just gave out, that's more than a slump.
Speaker 2: He's never made shots.
Speaker 8: He just hasn't yet as a player, and so he
Speaker 8: had the one rookie record of ten threes you remember
Speaker 8: last year, and that was impressive. May have been against
Speaker 8: Dallas or San Antonio is one of the two teams
Speaker 8: on the road, but it comes in spurts.
Speaker 2: We're talking about more consistently, and everybody thought.
Speaker 5: After last year that there would be improvement this year
Speaker 5: and so to see him going in the other direction
Speaker 5: at this points early yet, but he's probably pressing a
Speaker 5: little bit.
Speaker 2: You know, I think a lot now the Jazz as
Speaker 2: a whole.
Speaker 5: I mean, I wanted to ask you guys this because
Speaker 5: it's always fun to talk with you. But when you
Speaker 5: look how many points the Jazz are giving up a game,
Speaker 5: how much does that affect their offense?
Speaker 1: So they were last in the league last year, they're
Speaker 1: not last where they're twenty third in both points allowed
Speaker 1: and efficiency, giving.
Speaker 2: Up what almost one hundred and twenty points a game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, they're one of the worst teams in
Speaker 1: the league defensively this year, but it's not the worst.
Speaker 5: And so Spence, when you were playing, what does that
Speaker 5: do at the other end? Do you feel like, oh man,
Speaker 5: we just gave up a basket here or three or something.
Speaker 5: Now we've got to make it up, you know. And
Speaker 5: then you start pressing and you get out a sword.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it puts a lot of pressure
Speaker 1: on a team Craig that just doesn't have a ton
Speaker 1: of offensive firepower right now. And look, teams are selling
Speaker 1: out to stop Lowry because of course, and Larry, you know,
Speaker 1: he's going to have to adjust to other teams running
Speaker 1: two at him, you know, because.
Speaker 2: He's kind of all they have.
Speaker 1: And even though Will often talks about this is not
Speaker 1: a one man show and Larry's not an isolation guy,
Speaker 1: I think Lowry's inability to make shots consistently against defensive
Speaker 1: pressure is spilling over. And then he left with a
Speaker 1: back is show. I don't know if you have an
Speaker 1: update for us there in and out of shoot around today,
Speaker 1: we'll see. I think it's a game time decision. Nothing officially.
Speaker 1: You haven't checked my phone in the last half hour.
Speaker 1: But I think he is the centerpiece and everyone comes
Speaker 1: and attacks. They come in and scrape him. He turns
Speaker 1: to face the basket or make a roll left or right.
Speaker 1: It seems like again there's another a third defender who
Speaker 1: is leaked by and try to swipe the ball out
Speaker 1: of his hands and cause disruption. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: short shot clocks right now for the Jazz. Giante's forced
Speaker 1: some up Lowry has as well, and again I sense
Speaker 1: panic and Gordon to your question, I think what I
Speaker 1: would say is that when you have turnovers and you
Speaker 1: watch teams run out twelve two runs, then you think
Speaker 1: that immediately that you have to answer that, and so
Speaker 1: you force shots. And then that ball jumps in no
Speaker 1: man's land, that your opponent jumps and runs, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden in transition, which the Jazz are still
Speaker 1: trying to find a way to be a good transition
Speaker 1: defensive team, then you start to get smoked and the
Speaker 1: head start to tilt, and you got yourself a tough
Speaker 1: ball game.
Speaker 5: Well, since I'm optimist in the room, and this is true,
Speaker 5: I mean I always try to look at them.
Speaker 9: I come here only for one reason to be motivated, uplifted,
Speaker 9: but trying to But even though it makes your job
Speaker 9: more difficult night after night after night, if this continues
Speaker 9: the way it has, I agree with us fans.
Speaker 2: I mean this is that's the good news.
Speaker 5: So so for fans fans want the team to win.
Speaker 5: I get that, but I would say look for improvement.
Speaker 5: Look for individual and collective improvement, because that's all you
Speaker 5: really got and if your team loses, then I mean,
Speaker 5: you don't want to see.
Speaker 1: That, but you kind of do well if you understand
Speaker 1: the landscape, because look, I don't think anybody down there
Speaker 1: is under any premonition that this is a piece away
Speaker 1: from being a contending team. It's going to have to
Speaker 1: It's going to be a long game, it really is.
Speaker 1: And we know the deal this year. It's kind of
Speaker 1: the same as last year. If the pick is outside
Speaker 1: of the top ten, it goes to a k C
Speaker 1: and the favors deal. Now look, I chuckle, because at
Speaker 1: some point that pick has to convey right, but just
Speaker 1: not this year. With the draft class that's coming in.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know people that scout full time. It's
Speaker 1: not just Cooper Flag. They're five or six names they'll
Speaker 1: give you. And if you can add a really valuable
Speaker 1: piece that is a legitimate cornerstone at some point, because
Speaker 1: they only have one, and it's Lowry, who on a
Speaker 1: championship team is probably a two or maybe even a three.
Speaker 1: I mean on Boston, he might be the third or
Speaker 1: fourth best player, but that's what you got right now
Speaker 1: in marketing. Then a bunch of young players and will
Speaker 1: end on this. It does seem like the development will
Speaker 1: continue because for one game Cody steps into the starting lineup,
Speaker 1: I thought, maybe.
Speaker 8: Go John Philipowski and you look good. You look good.
Speaker 8: You know, he had twelve points. He's a stretch. He
Speaker 8: could probably play five. He wants to probably more likely
Speaker 8: be a four. Like what marketing can do. Stretch a floor,
Speaker 8: hit the threes, runs the floor. Well, Keusser's had a
Speaker 8: pretty good start thus far, at least in defensive minds.
Speaker 8: He's got a couple of offensive games. But you can
Speaker 8: rebound the hell out.
Speaker 2: Of the ball. So you know what, Gordon, You're right.
Speaker 8: I think that fans who come to games and it's
Speaker 8: been incredible in the first three home games, this will
Speaker 8: be four or five to start the season, is that
Speaker 8: they're still there. They are still engaged, which I applaud.
Speaker 8: But I think it's the little things. If you're really
Speaker 8: a basketball aficionado, each guy you pick whoever you want
Speaker 8: to follow, whether it's Cody, whether it's Keyante, whether it's
Speaker 8: Flip whomever it may be. Try to look and find
Speaker 8: the development because it's going to come in small increments,
Speaker 8: but then one night it's going to start to build.
Speaker 8: And that's what Justin Zanak and Danny are hoping for. Look,
Speaker 8: this is a new breed of basketball. It's youth. It's young.
Speaker 8: My only fear is you develop them and then are
Speaker 8: you able to retain them?
Speaker 5: Right one piece before you retain them, Bowler, you have
Speaker 5: to if you're trying. Everyone always talks about winning culture, right,
Speaker 5: you got to develop I'm winning culture and hold on
Speaker 5: to it. Can you keep that when you're losing.
Speaker 8: That's one of the biggest challenges and that's where Will
Speaker 8: Hardy I think makes such a huge impact with his team.
Speaker 8: He is uber positive, at least in front of the
Speaker 8: media and when I'm watching on the floor. He understands
Speaker 8: the big picture. His his job is the developmental part,
Speaker 8: and he's going to get you know, his kicks. Whenever
Speaker 8: he sees what the final outcome will be and for
Speaker 8: the Jazz to pick up the fifth year of his deal,
Speaker 8: he knows he's got security for that point. And you
Speaker 8: know in the league that wants to win. Now the
Speaker 8: Jazz are on the same page knowing that it's a
Speaker 8: youth movement. They've been more open about it now, which
Speaker 8: I think is good. Like what Witt finally said too
Speaker 8: about you know, Isaac Wilson, even though he got the bench,
Speaker 8: you know, got the hook the other night. I think
Speaker 8: the fans have to kind of understand what's going on
Speaker 8: and the guessing game quits, because then you settle in
Speaker 8: and say, okay, let's watch together and see where this goes.
Speaker 1: Journey of one thousand miles start starts with one step right,
Speaker 1: all right, we'll do some college football coming up next.
Speaker 1: Craig Bowler, Jack, Gordon Monson live in studio right here
Speaker 1: on the ESPN seven hundred Jahs in Action tonight taking
Speaker 1: on Victor Whenman Yama and the San Antonio Spurs. So
Speaker 1: we get a little Walker Kessler when Mayama Action. Gordon
Speaker 1: Monson and Craig Bowler Jack are live in studio.
Speaker 2: All right. Next week is a big week.
Speaker 1: I've always said it's like the preeminent data on our
Speaker 1: sporting calendar unless the Jazz are in the finals, or
Speaker 1: we have the Olympics or whatever. It's Utah and it's
Speaker 1: BYU football, and so let's get into it. I've been
Speaker 1: talking about this all week, because you guys certainly know
Speaker 1: better than I do. But I know enough to know
Speaker 1: that when I was growing up, it was Lavelle and
Speaker 1: BYU kicked Utah's head in every year, and it took
Speaker 1: like an Eddie Johnson miracle, Scott Mitchell miracle at one
Speaker 1: point to get all win. From time to time, Ronnie
Speaker 1: Mack rolls in. He kind of evens the playing field.
Speaker 1: Then Kyle takes over. Utah football goes to the Pac twelve. Obviously,
Speaker 1: there's the urban pit stop that we had. BYU football
Speaker 1: goes independent. There's all this ambiguity about their future. Utah
Speaker 1: for the most part, has kicked their heads in now
Speaker 1: for a generation fourteen and four, including nine straight, and
Speaker 1: for a number of years BYU fans have heard YOUTE
Speaker 1: fans from their Ivory tower call you the little brother.
Speaker 1: Now BYU's rolling, there ain't no Utah is reeling at
Speaker 1: four and four. And Gordon will start with you on
Speaker 1: this one. I think those boys are coming up here
Speaker 1: for blood next Saturday.
Speaker 5: I think they will, and they seem to be capable
Speaker 5: of extracting that blood. But in this rivalry situation, you
Speaker 5: never know. I look at them like this. Okay, if
Speaker 5: Utah plays against BYU at its lower level, it's going
Speaker 5: to get smoked. But if it plays its best and
Speaker 5: BYU plays at its lower level, now you've got a
Speaker 5: ball game. And now you've got a situation where emotion
Speaker 5: comes into play, maybe a turnover, a fumble, a pick,
Speaker 5: and then next thing, you know, hey, this thing could
Speaker 5: be what nobody expected.
Speaker 2: And we've seen it of surprises in college football this year.
Speaker 2: To not be overly shocked if that were to happen.
Speaker 2: Is BYU the better team.
Speaker 5: They certainly look to be the better team, and that
Speaker 5: there is a collectiveness in provo right now.
Speaker 2: It is rare. I haven't seen it a whole lot
Speaker 2: down there. Yeah, guys in the last decade or so. Swagger,
Speaker 2: it's a swagger.
Speaker 5: But it's a it's kind of a feeling of Hey,
Speaker 5: this is this is for real. This is my brother
Speaker 5: over here, and I'm playing for him too, not just
Speaker 5: for myself. And so when you get that going and
Speaker 5: Colonie's feeding off that right now, you listen in to
Speaker 5: their huddles and what they say, and it's all about, man,
Speaker 5: we got this, We're gonna do this, And that's a
Speaker 5: positive vibe and they're pretty damn good too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Craig, You've called a lot of rivalry games locally
Speaker 1: and nationally. Things can get weird. Oh, they get weird,
Speaker 1: There's no doubt. But at this point it y use
Speaker 1: a slight favorite in Vegas. It feels like most of
Speaker 1: the momentum is down. So yeah, I would think as you,
Speaker 1: I always laugh when no one would ever you know,
Speaker 1: respond to them as by us, that team. It's just
Speaker 1: just that team down down down south Urban. Yeah, never
Speaker 1: would call them. You know, the BYU Cougars.
Speaker 2: Was at Ohio State Michigan was the team up north.
Speaker 7: Up north.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, I think this game right now on
Speaker 8: paper and the way the mental side of this, because
Speaker 8: again I'm we're talking mental today right For some reason
Speaker 8: Taylor and and his his response to his injury, this
Speaker 8: goes the same way for my book.
Speaker 2: I mean, where where is Utah?
Speaker 8: They've already been beaten twice at Rice Cycle Stadium, right,
Speaker 8: And I always think in rivalry games that the home
Speaker 8: field is where it's at.
Speaker 2: That's the juice.
Speaker 8: You know, where are the fans and are they going
Speaker 8: to bring juice that can help elevate any home team
Speaker 8: in a rivalry game like that, I'm not I'm not
Speaker 8: sure if I'm feeling that around town right now. I
Speaker 8: just drove in and here comes a pickup truck with
Speaker 8: Utah sucks BUYU roles, you know, rules on those big
Speaker 8: flag stuff on the back of a one point fifty
Speaker 8: whatever it was, and I thought, wow, man, it's it's
Speaker 8: it's starting. Yeah, it's starting. But you know, Spencer Tay,
Speaker 8: I love rivalry games because you just said it. There
Speaker 8: is still the unpredictability of the emotion of the moment
Speaker 8: because these guys have grown up here. Some they played
Speaker 8: against each other in some ways. Uh, some don't care
Speaker 8: because they don't know Utah, or they're from the Islands,
Speaker 8: or they're from you know, back east, so you know,
Speaker 8: they call it the Holy War, the rivalry Red and Blue.
Speaker 8: I just think, let's go play good football. But Utah
Speaker 8: is not in a good mindset right now. And who
Speaker 8: is the quarterback on this on this incredible, incredible rivalry day,
Speaker 8: uh for for the University of Utah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no one knows Gordon because we're back to now
Speaker 1: it's Brandon Rose and Isaac Wilson splitting the reps with
Speaker 1: the ones, which I never think is a good thing
Speaker 1: effort eating up to next Saturday. Although Kyle did say
Speaker 1: that Isaac has been hurt. Maybe maybe there's something there
Speaker 1: because he there were moments early on Baylor, Utah State,
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State, and Stillwater and even though Okay State sucks
Speaker 1: and we know that now, Isaac hasn't looked the same
Speaker 1: since then, So maybe he's been dinged up in a
Speaker 1: way we didn't know.
Speaker 5: So it gets back to the question that Kyle talked
Speaker 5: about with Cam Rising is is Isaac Wilson at eighty
Speaker 5: five percent better than a rose at one hundred percent? Yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, and you get into this guessing game, and
Speaker 5: of course Kyle loves living in that space because he
Speaker 5: thinks it gives him such an advantage against the opponent.
Speaker 5: But it's obvious that Kyle thinks that Isaac Wilson.
Speaker 2: Is the better quarterback.
Speaker 5: So if he's able to go and he's able to
Speaker 5: overcome whatever whatever problem he has, then it would be
Speaker 5: he would be the guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the.
Speaker 5: Mystery is is he at eighty five, is he at
Speaker 5: eighty is he at seventy five or is he ninety five?
Speaker 5: We don't really know, And that adding to everything else
Speaker 5: that the Uths have been facing. I mean, when you
Speaker 5: drop four straight, Utah football is not used to that, No,
Speaker 5: not at all, and so how do you react. They
Speaker 5: are used to overcoming adversity. We've seen that in past
Speaker 5: seasons where they really came back strong, but that adversity
Speaker 5: never translated into four straight losses.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think this year to Craig's point, because
Speaker 1: I've heard from five different people that have sold their
Speaker 1: tickets that are season ticket alders up there, like i
Speaker 1: don't want to be in the stadium because I'm afraid
Speaker 1: BYU's gonna thump us there. There's like this collective weight
Speaker 1: around Ute football and the fan base right now. And
Speaker 1: it's not just losing four straight. And I've said this
Speaker 1: all week. I get a lot of things wrong. I
Speaker 1: don't think I've ever been as wrong as I've been
Speaker 1: about a team as I was about Utah Brothers.
Speaker 2: I thought was going to be healthy.
Speaker 8: Sure, look who was all everyone in this state was
Speaker 8: pounding their chess Utah fans in the middle of August
Speaker 8: thinking that this thing was going to be potentially a
Speaker 8: playoff game at rise Ecle Stadium, and you could maybe
Speaker 8: smell a little bit more than that. Right with the
Speaker 8: way the new playoff system is, and no one talked
Speaker 8: about byu oh man, the poor guys Downstad, maybe they
Speaker 8: get to a ball, maybe four wins, you know, if
Speaker 8: they're lucky, they could maybe get this the Mickey Mouse Bowl.
Speaker 2: I mean that was kind of the mentality by everybody.
Speaker 2: And they have just run the table.
Speaker 8: I said this a week or two ago. They're still
Speaker 8: the most opportunistic football team. I think in college football.
Speaker 8: Balls bounce their way, they make hits. They're more physical,
Speaker 8: they're faster and more athletic than I think most people
Speaker 8: thought for sure.
Speaker 1: Honestly, they didn't make any additions in the transfer report
Speaker 1: that they made some but not many.
Speaker 2: I mean, they relied on growthrom.
Speaker 8: I'm impressed with speed, physicality, and the athleticism that Klannie
Speaker 8: has right now.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 8: Is that because they're all is one? You know, teams
Speaker 8: get on roles because of You can't explain it, but man,
Speaker 8: inside that huddle, there are eyeballs looking around going we
Speaker 8: got this and we're gonna do it. Well, look at
Speaker 8: when it's real. It's that that's a real deal in sport.
Speaker 5: Look at the receiving corps, Look at that that's a
Speaker 5: that is a really talented group.
Speaker 1: Keana Hill can't even get a target because he's got
Speaker 1: four dudes in front of him.
Speaker 5: And they got other guys coming. It's it's just uh,
Speaker 5: I tell you. It gets back to this, and people
Speaker 5: think it's hocus pocus. No, it's real. When you have
Speaker 5: a feeling on your team that you can win, that
Speaker 5: you deserve to win. Watch what the coaches say to
Speaker 5: the b YU players before every game.
Speaker 2: What do they say.
Speaker 5: They say, you've worked your off and you deserve to
Speaker 5: win this game. And they believe it and they did
Speaker 5: put the work in. I mean, how else that's undeniable?
Speaker 8: Since I hear I think here's another key to this
Speaker 8: this rivalry game. Look, Utah's defense can only do so much,
Speaker 8: and they have played down after down after down and
Speaker 8: trying to put the stops on teams when Utah's offense
Speaker 8: was just butttering and Wilson was trying to understand who
Speaker 8: he was when Cam went down. They cannot just save
Speaker 8: this team. There has to be something and Andy's gone now,
Speaker 8: so we're you know, what.
Speaker 7: Is the new?
Speaker 8: Is there going to be a new offens this offensive
Speaker 8: scheme that works better for Wilson and when this game
Speaker 8: is played, not a lot of time to implement it.
Speaker 8: But I'm just saying, so many things have changed, and
Speaker 8: the defense can't stay on the field all night, and
Speaker 8: they've been injured.
Speaker 5: I mean, and I'm not going to make excuses for
Speaker 5: the Utah defense, but they've had those defensive linemen who
Speaker 5: have been absent certain times. So will they all be
Speaker 5: able to come back and play against be Well.
Speaker 2: Well not by week helps.
Speaker 8: You know, you can get nicks, you know, injuries heel up,
Speaker 8: especially when you're young. But still I wonder what their
Speaker 8: mental state is knowing that Cam who really I think
Speaker 8: had more leadership and love amongst the twenty two and beyond,
Speaker 8: and the disappointment of his injury, and then the inability
Speaker 8: of the offense to move without and put a lot
Speaker 8: of pressure on the defense.
Speaker 1: So the defensive numbers are still pretty pretty good. The
Speaker 1: overall defensive numbers for Utah football. They're about top three
Speaker 1: to five in rushing, total, scoring, red zone. They're number
Speaker 1: one first and third down. They're last in the conference
Speaker 1: at fumble's recovered. They're second to last in the conference
Speaker 1: at fumbles force. They're eleventh in sacks.
Speaker 2: So like the things that they typically do well are
Speaker 2: the things they're not doing this year at all. And
Speaker 2: Kyle always talks about winning the turnover battle, pressure in the.
Speaker 8: Quarterback, putting the offense in a better position right with
Speaker 8: the defense, with the fumble recoveries, the force fumbles or
Speaker 8: a very important I int. But if they don't get
Speaker 8: to Jake, Jake has shown everybody if he has time,
Speaker 8: he's gonna run, which he does well, or he's gonna
Speaker 8: find one of his five like awesome whiteouts.
Speaker 2: That to me is kind of where the game lies.
Speaker 2: Can Utah it to Jake?
Speaker 1: Can they kind of flip the script with their inability
Speaker 1: to get the quarterback so far?
Speaker 5: And when you of Utah football's identity, the word that
Speaker 5: comes to mind is physicality, right, And so when you're
Speaker 5: not forcing fumbles, where do fumbles come from? Every once
Speaker 5: in a while you'll see someone lose the handle and
Speaker 5: drop it. But oftentimes they get hit and they get
Speaker 5: hard and the ball pops loose, or.
Speaker 8: They come in and make the extra grab. They swarm
Speaker 8: the runner or the receiver and they are grabbing and
Speaker 8: pulling at the old pickskin. And that's what Utah has
Speaker 8: been known to do too special teams really hasn't made
Speaker 8: a pop, which has also been kind of a factor
Speaker 8: for Wit during his time up at the U. So, yeah,
Speaker 8: it's it's been a rough year, one that nobody expected. Right,
Speaker 8: But does it change? Does it change against BYU? I'll
Speaker 8: say it, I'll say it. I'll say it twice now
Speaker 8: because I believe it. If BYU comes in and plays
Speaker 8: sloppy football, they can be beat. And if Utah comes
Speaker 8: in and plays at the high, higher level of.
Speaker 5: What it's capable of doing. Let's say it the way
Speaker 5: it is, this team is underperformed. Would you agree? Would
Speaker 5: you talk?
Speaker 2: Yes? I mean, I mean, I'm not talking schematically.
Speaker 5: I'm talking they have too much talent to lose four
Speaker 5: straight games. And I don't care if Cam Rising is
Speaker 5: playing or not. This team has not risen to the occasion.
Speaker 5: And that's where he used to seeing out of Utah football.
Speaker 5: But I'm so can they rise on this next Saturday? Well,
Speaker 5: and by the way, the games, I.
Speaker 2: Was waiting for it, I got it. I was waiting
Speaker 2: for Gordon to get upsets. So I assume you will
Speaker 2: not be there. Well, no, I don't know. Bring a blank.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying so much sad because yeah, bull soup chocolate,
Speaker 2: but it just seems like it.
Speaker 5: Look, if Utah comes prepared and can shed this whole
Speaker 5: sort of a shadow that it's carrying with itself, is
Speaker 5: it capable of beating BYU only if b YU betrays itself.
Speaker 1: So about the team concept you were saying with breaking
Speaker 1: me young, listen to this man, Eight different players have sacks.
Speaker 1: I'll eleven different players have an interception. Seventeen different players
Speaker 1: have scored a touchdown. That's fascinating, that's mind blowing. It
Speaker 1: is seventeen seventeen players now they've touchdown. It's like seven
Speaker 1: running backs for a while, right, But I mean, eight
Speaker 1: different players with a sack is pretty crazy.
Speaker 2: Eleven with a pick is nuts.
Speaker 1: But seventeen different players scoring touchdowns, I mean they're They're
Speaker 1: playing complimentary football. They're deep top to bottom, and I'm
Speaker 1: really happy for that coaching staff because they were all
Speaker 1: up here for a while.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 5: Obviously, offensively they've scored touchdowns. Defensively they've scored touchdowns a bunch,
Speaker 5: and special teams they score touchdown. Man of how covers it.
Speaker 5: I don't think anybody on the bench is going to
Speaker 5: score touchdown. If that happens, I don't think that's allowed. No,
Speaker 5: I don't think so. But to come out and trip somebody,
Speaker 5: and your point is well made their Spence, because this
Speaker 5: is no Fluke.
Speaker 2: But what's happening then in probo is no fluke? This team?
Speaker 7: Yes?
Speaker 2: Did it surprise us?
Speaker 7: All?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: And I'm willing to admit that the whole conference, and
Speaker 5: I've been willing to admit, like you have, Spence, and
Speaker 5: I was wrong about the youths. I'll say that, but
Speaker 5: I want to give be why you credit because what
Speaker 5: they have overcome.
Speaker 2: They've pushed the Bowlder up the hill. That's what I mean.
Speaker 5: They've turned this thing around, and that Bowlder was coming
Speaker 5: downhill and they've turned it around, and you've got to
Speaker 5: give them credit for that. They believe in themselves. They're
Speaker 5: much more talented than we thought they were. And that
Speaker 5: gets back to that receiving corps. Who Darius Lass or
Speaker 5: is this guy? I mean, this guy is a talent,
Speaker 5: He's real talent. But then you have Chase Roberts and
Speaker 5: you got the other I mean there's there's, like you said,
Speaker 5: Spencer's five or six of them.
Speaker 8: Spence, I gotta go with this idea too. This is
Speaker 8: the fan idea that I have. You said something that
Speaker 8: caught my eye or my ear about five minutes ago.
Speaker 8: You know three or four fans who are selling their tickets.
Speaker 8: Where do you think those tickets go to?
Speaker 2: They go straight to b YU fans online.
Speaker 8: Exactly right. You turn red into blue. You you lose
Speaker 8: your home field advantage if this becomes.
Speaker 2: An epidemic. Yeah, and so that's something to watch. Why
Speaker 2: you fans afraid they're gonna get beer? Spill them? There's no,
Speaker 2: there's not Okay, I've been on this for years. Sorry, Okay,
Speaker 2: so all the b YU fans just real quick, let
Speaker 2: me have one. I don't just make this point one
Speaker 2: more time.
Speaker 1: For all the BYU fans are heading up to saw Lake,
Speaker 1: here's some breaking news. There's not beer in that stadium.
Speaker 1: They don't sell it. And if you're going to sneak
Speaker 1: something in, it's not beer. Okay, so maybe you get
Speaker 1: a little.
Speaker 2: Whiskey port on it, but I promise you're not getting beer.
Speaker 2: All there is are the tailgates, and there's plenty of
Speaker 2: that flowing. But that point you're making.
Speaker 5: What happens if BYU comes up to Rice cycles and
Speaker 5: gets a two or three touchdown lead. Does the home
Speaker 5: field advantage actually become a disadvantage at that point where
Speaker 5: your home fans are looking at you.
Speaker 2: Like you suck.
Speaker 1: Oh, they'll start getting boot birds. They've already been bowed
Speaker 1: up there. They have a couple of times.
Speaker 8: I have the one game that I went to and
Speaker 8: you were there two spence and I was like, wow, yeah,
Speaker 8: I mean there was an empty shell feeling because of
Speaker 8: the high, so much hype, and then the anger I
Speaker 8: think came into play here.
Speaker 2: Gordo.
Speaker 8: You may have written about this, but you know, fans
Speaker 8: wanted Cam and when Cam dressed and still didn't play,
Speaker 8: there was like scratching their heads like why not? You know, well,
Speaker 8: there's reasons to it. Doctors and you know, potential nil
Speaker 8: agents or whatever you want to call them. You know,
Speaker 8: you're they're protecting the health of a player, and it
Speaker 8: disrupts you know, fans love for a team. But everyone
Speaker 8: wanted Cam so bad to perform this year, and dot
Speaker 8: Gunnett got bit again.
Speaker 2: So we've got a four o'clock.
Speaker 1: Danny Knell's at four, so we've got to stay on
Speaker 1: clock a little bit, which I'm horrible at but I
Speaker 1: wanted to get this from both of you because if
Speaker 1: your coach with I mean, there's nothing you can do
Speaker 1: over the final four games of the season to show
Speaker 1: everybody that you are the team that we thought that
Speaker 1: you were. That's off the table. They're not in the
Speaker 1: mix for the Big Twelve championship. But if you can
Speaker 1: have one moment against buy U, you are remembered in
Speaker 1: this community forever.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 1: So if you're Kyle, what's your message to your players
Speaker 1: leading up to this game? Because if you do spoil
Speaker 1: their perfect season, if you do thump them a little
Speaker 1: bit in a way nobody's expecting. None of us around
Speaker 1: here are going to say, oh, yes, we thought they
Speaker 1: had that in them, because they've already shown that they
Speaker 1: fell short of expectations. But if they're able to do that,
Speaker 1: what's the conversation around these players and this team.
Speaker 5: Well, Kyle Whittingham news flash, first of all, hates playing BYU,
Speaker 5: doesn't like this game. But if he's going to play it,
Speaker 5: believe me, he's going to pour everything he has into
Speaker 5: those utes, coming out and kicking the Cougars.
Speaker 2: But and I you know, everyone.
Speaker 5: Knows Kyle played at BYU, But there's enough bad blood
Speaker 5: there and not with Kilany.
Speaker 2: Because those guys, those guys are tight, right, But.
Speaker 5: Kyle wants to beat this team in the worst way.
Speaker 2: So I'll say it this way.
Speaker 5: We will see the best Utah has against BYU, more
Speaker 5: than any other.
Speaker 2: Opponent left on the schedule.
Speaker 5: If they are capable of hanging in there with BYU,
Speaker 5: then then we'll see that truth. But if they, I
Speaker 5: guess what I'm saying is this will be their best
Speaker 5: effort for the rest of the season that Saturday night.
Speaker 2: If they don't, they can't. What do you think that's
Speaker 2: a great point real quick.
Speaker 8: I think will make this their like bowl game and
Speaker 8: try to preach that throughout the week. I think they
Speaker 8: have to strike first. You cannot afford turnovers because opportunistic
Speaker 8: BYU will be right there to say hello and make
Speaker 8: you pay. If you want to sell Isaac Wilson to
Speaker 8: the fans for next year, it's that one moment where
Speaker 8: he maybe lofts a nice thirty two yard touchdown pass
Speaker 8: over the middle and Keify runs it in for six
Speaker 8: and that's it. That would be the Eddie Johnson type
Speaker 8: moment or Scottie Mitchell doing his work. That's what would
Speaker 8: be in a sense of like we just derailed by
Speaker 8: U season, and we just propelled ourselves on a positive
Speaker 8: note for next year. That's what I think they're trying.
Speaker 8: They will try to accomplish on.
Speaker 1: That game, and it would give the fans something to
Speaker 1: at least hold on to, because right now this is
Speaker 1: a fan base that is not feeling love. Great to
Speaker 1: see you, guys. We'll do it again next week. Rivalry
Speaker 1: week will be next week. We'll see that, all right,
Speaker 1: All right, now that's that smark. He has a smark.
Speaker 2: We're happy happy.
Speaker 8: Hey, look, I know how you are to Halloween. Don't
Speaker 8: scare the kids. That's not possible.
Speaker 2: Should I give out an ice cream tonight?
Speaker 5: Either?
Speaker 2: Melts? We've been over but see that's what he likes.
Speaker 1: Melt Hey kid, here, full sized candy bars up where
Speaker 1: you're at in the cove. People expect the full sized
Speaker 1: candy bars and maybe a twenty wrapped around.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And all of a sudden, I'm feeling all this pressure
Speaker 5: like I'm going up against b YU next week or
Speaker 5: something like that.
Speaker 2: I think a.
Speaker 6: Finger.
Speaker 8: Yes, good to see you, come back and see me again, Okay.
Speaker 2: I'll say that. One last question. One last question, is
Speaker 2: one full size the equal of two. Not where you live.
Speaker 2: No people are expecting from size up in the cove.
Speaker 2: You know it. I'll tell this story real quick. I
Speaker 2: know you want to stay on. You're a goead. You're good.
Speaker 5: Talk to Dennis Lindseay. He didn't remember Dennis co he
Speaker 5: bought a house on a street. I almost bought a house.
Speaker 5: Here we go and.
Speaker 2: Was gobert in the backyard to build Hi a guest house.
Speaker 8: Is your.
Speaker 2: You can live over here right behind?
Speaker 5: No, there was a there was a house on this street.
Speaker 5: And I went to the neighbor's house, knocked on the
Speaker 5: and I said, and this woman answered the door, who
Speaker 5: was all right? And Lisa suddenly didn't want that house anymore?
Speaker 5: But we joke about that. But I later Dennis Lindsay
Speaker 5: moved in on that He moved like right across the
Speaker 5: street from the house I almost bought. And he said
Speaker 5: that on Halloween they gave out like twelve hundred candy bars.
Speaker 2: WoT are you procured for that? Well, I'm sure, Lisa is.
Speaker 2: You're not going to throw in a life saver, are you. Now?
Speaker 5: This is what happens at a certain time when that
Speaker 5: bag gets empty. Then the lights go out and the
Speaker 5: doors are locked. Oh man, people expect more.
Speaker 2: From you, Gordon, and the windows get soaked. Looks like
Speaker 2: I better go get some full size I'm not sure
Speaker 2: we have them. I was gonna say, you need to
Speaker 2: get to the store. Great to see you guys, will
Speaker 2: see you next week. All right, Thank care, Creig Butler
Speaker 2: Jack here, I'm on the call.
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Speaker 2: Danny Canell is next right here. All right, it's a
Speaker 2: bye week for both Utah.
Speaker 1: And BYU, second time this year that it's happened.
Speaker 2: But they play each other next Saturday.
Speaker 1: So a lot of exciting college football here locally and
Speaker 1: certainly nationally. Always a pleasure to welcome in my next guest,
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Speaker 2: Happy Thursday, brother, how are you doing?
Speaker 10: Happy Thursday?
Speaker 2: Spence.
Speaker 10: I don't know if you caught the intro my walk
Speaker 10: up song, if you will, So that was a little
Speaker 10: doors by request. This is the end, the end, my
Speaker 10: only friend, the end. And I don't know if you
Speaker 10: saw the movie The Doors of course about the story
Speaker 10: and with Val Kilmer played Jim Morrison. So that's a
Speaker 10: song that's like for the teams out there now my.
Speaker 11: Team or to State seminoles are like the prime.
Speaker 10: Example for that one when you're just lost in the desert,
Speaker 10: you're stumbling around, tripping on some sort of acid and
Speaker 10: you just they're searching for the meaning of life and
Speaker 10: you just want it to be over like That's what
Speaker 10: I feel like is for my fan base, and maybe
Speaker 10: you talk ever late after the expectations, they came in
Speaker 10: and I thought they would too. I think they're searching
Speaker 10: for answers all over the place. You know, the seasons
Speaker 10: come up. It's the end for Cam Rising, I think
Speaker 10: there with the injury that ended his season yet again.
Speaker 10: So it's just like that we're kind of commiserating together.
Speaker 10: And so I felt like the end by the Doors
Speaker 10: was the perfect song to just stumble around, just lost
Speaker 10: and dumbfounded with the way the season is unfolded.
Speaker 2: That is very well said.
Speaker 1: And just so you know, I was hoping my producer
Speaker 1: was going to play the dk in Ny rap when
Speaker 1: you came on. But I'm glad you chose your walk
Speaker 1: up song and you just you articulated where we're at perfectly.
Speaker 1: I guess I'll just follow up. I've been saying all week,
Speaker 1: Danny and I get a lot wrong. I mean, you
Speaker 1: know the deal in this busines. You do the best
Speaker 1: you can to prepare and make educated guesses. Sometimes you're right,
Speaker 1: sometimes you're wrong. I don't think i've ever been as
Speaker 1: wrong as I've been this year about this Utah football team.
Speaker 1: How stund are you that we're sitting here with a
Speaker 1: four and four team with no shot to win the
Speaker 1: Big Twelve?
Speaker 10: Oh, I'm shocked for sure. And I was like you,
Speaker 10: I thought that because I made every single you know,
Speaker 10: conference champion I picked before the season, and a lot
Speaker 10: of them. Ab I was waffling on, like, oh, do
Speaker 10: I pick Clemson or Miami in the ACC? Do I
Speaker 10: pick Ohio State or Oregon in the Big Ten? But
Speaker 10: the Big Twelve, I said, I felt most confident, without hesitation,
Speaker 10: it's going to be Utah. Now I would have said, also, now,
Speaker 10: I didn't think this. I you know, Cam Rising is back,
Speaker 10: what a difference he makes for that team.
Speaker 11: And if you would have told me that once again
Speaker 11: he would have injuries.
Speaker 7: And miss most of the season.
Speaker 11: Then I clearly would have changed my pick because that
Speaker 11: is that.
Speaker 10: Type of loss for that program. So that clearly, you know,
Speaker 10: has kind of derailed the season for the But once again,
Speaker 10: I mean that four and four is pretty surprising, and
Speaker 10: the fact that they didn't have, you know, maybe a
Speaker 10: better supporting cast for Isaac Wilson and he's still kind
Speaker 10: of feeling his way around college football as a young starter.
Speaker 10: That's probably, you know, it's still a little bit surprising.
Speaker 10: They're not at least like six and two. You know,
Speaker 10: it's just it's a surprising to see them with this record,
Speaker 10: even without Cam rising and it's been a I'm sure
Speaker 10: you know, Utah fans are as bummed as any and
Speaker 10: surprise that the season is kind of unfolded the way
Speaker 10: it has.
Speaker 2: One more Utah question.
Speaker 1: Cam He's having surgery this week, Danny, and he does
Speaker 1: have a I'm laughing as I say this. It's not
Speaker 1: funny that he's heard, but he does have an eighth
Speaker 1: year of college eligibility. Do you believe there are a
Speaker 1: lot of people around here that believe that this should
Speaker 1: just be like a good marriage that kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: was drawn out. You hug each other, you say thanks
Speaker 1: for the memories, you walk, you know, you kind of
Speaker 1: walk away from each other. But what do you make
Speaker 1: of the potential of Cameron coming back maybe for one
Speaker 1: more year?
Speaker 10: I kind of I would, I must be honest with you.
Speaker 10: I kind of side with the fans and say, you
Speaker 10: know what, we'll wish you the best of luck, you know,
Speaker 10: good luck somewhere else. You know, go get some nil
Speaker 10: money somewhere else. But we've given you opportunity after opportunity,
Speaker 10: and we can't wait for the future of our program
Speaker 10: for another season.
Speaker 11: Because think of what it does to the recruiting.
Speaker 10: Process, right, you know, either the portal or the high
Speaker 10: school ranks, Like, how are you going to be able
Speaker 10: to get you know, another quality quarterback to come in
Speaker 10: there knowing that if cam Risen's coming back, you probably
Speaker 10: have zero chance to play. And we're talking about a
Speaker 10: quarterback who's missed the majority of the last two seasons.
Speaker 10: There's no guarantee that if he does come back, if
Speaker 10: he's going to be healthy enough to you know, to
Speaker 10: keep to be healthy to start for twelve games with
Speaker 10: college football season. So my Hunts tells me I have
Speaker 10: no inside intel. I just almost feel like that's what
Speaker 10: the Utah coaching staff would kind of want as well.
Speaker 10: Like in college football there I we're going in this
Speaker 10: direction work for seeing seventh or eight year players. Miami
Speaker 10: has a tight end down and you know, for the
Speaker 10: Hurricanes that's in his year of eligibility. It's getting a
Speaker 10: little bit ridiculous. At some point, I think you just
Speaker 10: got to say it's time, and I feel like that's
Speaker 10: what both sides will do. I think cam Rising might
Speaker 10: want to go try his hands somewhere else, maybe a fresh.
Speaker 11: You know, change of scenery.
Speaker 10: But I also think Utah would probably take the same angle,
Speaker 10: be like, we've really appreciated you putting your body on
Speaker 10: the line for us. But I think it's best in
Speaker 10: both interests, you know, best both parties interest if we
Speaker 10: both go in different directions.
Speaker 1: So I think you'll be really good to provide some
Speaker 1: context here because you reference Isaac. Isaac is eighteen years old.
Speaker 1: He enrolled in April. You had the opportunity and as
Speaker 1: a Knicks fan in the nineties, Charlie Ward is my guy.
Speaker 1: You had the opportunity as a freshman to watch potentially
Speaker 1: the best quarterback in college football, and their plan was
Speaker 1: for Isaac to watch camera and then potentially take over.
Speaker 1: How hard is it, as someone who's never done this
Speaker 1: before at the age of eighteen, to be tasked with
Speaker 1: leading a team that was one of the favorites to
Speaker 1: win the Big Twelve.
Speaker 7: It's so hard.
Speaker 10: And we you know, we we I say we, I said,
Speaker 10: you know, analysts, football personalities, fan bases, we put so
Speaker 10: much pressure on young players to come in produce right away,
Speaker 10: and it's really ridiculous to think that, you know, a
Speaker 10: true freshman could come in and contribute and be somebody
Speaker 10: who can lead your team, you know, to a twelfth
Speaker 10: title or championship game, and you're just gonna see a
Speaker 10: lot of mistakes that are made.
Speaker 7: That's totally normal.
Speaker 10: And yet we treat these young players like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 10: this kid's not going to be as good as we thought,
Speaker 10: or you know, and I know there's a connection with
Speaker 10: his brother, and his brother's career didn't pan out in
Speaker 10: the NFL, so there's all here goes another Wilson that's
Speaker 10: going to be a bust. It's so much pressure and
Speaker 10: it's not fair, but it's the very harsh reality of
Speaker 10: life in you know, college football today. And you know
Speaker 10: what's interesting is, you know, talking about Cam Rising and
Speaker 10: when he come back, if he comes back, are you
Speaker 10: sure that Isaac would come back?
Speaker 7: You know, does he want to?
Speaker 11: You know now that he's got a little taste of playing.
Speaker 10: And he is developing and he is hopefully getting better
Speaker 10: and better each week, and he's made some of these
Speaker 10: freshman mistakes you might lose him in the portal. Some
Speaker 10: of the other you know, schools see a flash and say, oh,
Speaker 10: this kid is pretty talented. He was pretty sought after guy.
Speaker 10: Maybe we can go get him.
Speaker 7: It might make it.
Speaker 10: Harder to keep Isaac Wilson if cam Risen came back.
Speaker 10: So there's a lot that goes into it, but.
Speaker 11: It is man.
Speaker 10: I was a player who was completely in over my head.
Speaker 10: I mean I was making sure I got the snap
Speaker 10: and went the right way on handoffs to.
Speaker 7: Make sure the run was going the right way.
Speaker 10: And now you talk about quarterbacks who have so much
Speaker 10: on their plate at the line of scrimmage, running systems
Speaker 10: that are way more complex, facing defensive coordinators that are gonna.
Speaker 7: Throw a lot more at you.
Speaker 10: It's so hard, and yet we have such high expectations.
Speaker 10: It's really not fair to younger players that are thrust
Speaker 10: into action.
Speaker 2: Is it true?
Speaker 1: I need to fact check here. Is it true that
Speaker 1: you were the backup to Charlie Ward? And then the
Speaker 1: other backup was a guy named John Stark.
Speaker 11: So my freshman year, I was a true freshman.
Speaker 7: And I was the backup.
Speaker 10: And then my sophomore year, John Stark came in and
Speaker 10: he was the like the third string, but we would
Speaker 10: swap in and out some time late game situations because
Speaker 10: they want us both to get experienced while then we
Speaker 10: would compete for the job the spring after that sophomore year.
Speaker 11: So yeah, he was on the team with us.
Speaker 7: John Stark, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: Was the tight end name.
Speaker 1: Charles Oakley like, this is wild to me that we
Speaker 1: have all these ninety Nick references on one team.
Speaker 11: That's right.
Speaker 7: I forgot.
Speaker 10: I was wondering where you were going at I'm like,
Speaker 10: how the heck does he know John Stark? But yes,
Speaker 10: if you looked at the roster, that is pretty wild.
Speaker 10: And the Knicks connection, especially where Charlie ended up and
Speaker 10: of course had a great career.
Speaker 11: How about this for a Knicks connection.
Speaker 10: One of my golfing buddies who I golf with almost
Speaker 10: once a week is Greg Anthony, former UNLV running rep
Speaker 10: and New York Nick who's a great guy and a
Speaker 10: pretty good golfer.
Speaker 11: Every once in a while he takes them money, which I'm.
Speaker 7: Not too happy about.
Speaker 1: I know, Greg, please tell him I said hello next
Speaker 1: time you GOLFO.
Speaker 2: That's awesome, awesome, good guy.
Speaker 1: So, Danny, the irony where we find ourselves here in States.
Speaker 1: I thought Utah would have a high powered offense. I
Speaker 1: thought they'd have a physical, dominant defense. I thought they'd
Speaker 1: be dialed in on special teams. I thought the stadium
Speaker 1: wo'd be going crazy. I thought they'd be in the
Speaker 1: mix to win the Big Twelve. Well, all that's happening
Speaker 1: about forty miles south as the crow flies. What do
Speaker 1: you make of this undefeated BYU Cougar team.
Speaker 10: It's been awesome, What a great story. And you know,
Speaker 10: I love both of the coaches in this matchup. Like
Speaker 10: Kyle Winningham, I can't say enough how.
Speaker 11: Much I respect him and the job he's done in Utah.
Speaker 10: In Colonie, Sataki at BYU, I would say.
Speaker 7: The same thing.
Speaker 10: He's one of the more liked, well liked, well respected
Speaker 10: coaches in college football. And what's crazy, it's how we've
Speaker 10: seen this role reversal just in the course of the season. Because,
Speaker 10: as you mentioned, Utah was the heavy favorite BYU. I
Speaker 10: think their win total was probably four and a half,
Speaker 10: like very low expectations with them coming into the Big Twelve.
Speaker 10: And you know last year was a little bit bumpy,
Speaker 10: but no one saw the year that Jake retslaf having
Speaker 10: and he's playing great football as the quarterback. Who's this
Speaker 10: incredible story, which you know it's starting to take root
Speaker 10: across college football recognizing a Jewish player playing at a
Speaker 10: Mormon school. It's been a ton of fun. But what
Speaker 10: I wanted people to know is how what.
Speaker 7: A good football team this is.
Speaker 10: And people can keep doubting them, keep doubting them, but
Speaker 10: they keep proven the critics wrong. They creep keep proving
Speaker 10: the oddsmakers wrong, like they did last week when it
Speaker 10: closed and they were an underdog at UCF, and they
Speaker 10: go out there and pretty much spank them and run
Speaker 10: them off the field so much that UCF is firing
Speaker 10: people and you know, switching play callers. This BYU team
Speaker 10: has one of the better resumes in the whole country
Speaker 10: as far as games they've won. And I wouldn't be
Speaker 10: surprised at all if they're one of the teams at
Speaker 10: the end it's playing for the Big twelve championship?
Speaker 1: Am I seeing on the DK Top ten? You have
Speaker 1: BYU at four right now?
Speaker 10: Absolutely if you look at their strength of records. So
Speaker 10: now the other thing.
Speaker 7: Too is my top twelve.
Speaker 10: I like to do it the way I think it
Speaker 10: should be done. Where it is not forward looking. It's
Speaker 10: not a power ranking.
Speaker 11: It's not who do you think is going to be
Speaker 11: there at.
Speaker 10: The end, it's who deserves to be in the top
Speaker 10: twelve right now. And when you look at BYU schedule
Speaker 10: through this part of the season, we're at.
Speaker 11: Seven and eight games.
Speaker 10: We only have one more month of the season left.
Speaker 10: When you've play and beaten this many teams, to me,
Speaker 10: it means you're one of the best teams in the country.
Speaker 10: And I know, we get cute with, well, this team
Speaker 10: has a good loss, and Notre Dame fans are mad
Speaker 10: at me because their win against A and M was
Speaker 10: better than any BYU you know win, And I'm like, well,
Speaker 10: what about Notre Dame's loss they lost to Northern Illinois.
Speaker 10: That's something that BYU hasn't done to anybody. So I
Speaker 10: want to make sure they get the credit they deserve
Speaker 10: for winning games on the football field. And if they do,
Speaker 10: I think they'll finally get respect from the College Football
Speaker 10: Selection Committee from other people that have them a little
Speaker 10: bit lower and they, you know, kind of doubt them
Speaker 10: and say, well, you know, let's see, because Georgia still
Speaker 10: looks really good and George's team that's a traditional blue blood.
Speaker 10: And same thing with Alabama with two losses, Well they
Speaker 10: have two good losses. I get so tired of hearing
Speaker 10: that garbage. Show me a team that learns and finds
Speaker 10: out ways to win, and I'll put them up there
Speaker 10: at the top of the rankings where they belong.
Speaker 1: So talk to me about the dynamic Danny of a
Speaker 1: rivalry game, which is where we find ourselves here next
Speaker 1: week with BYU rolling in a salt lake. I believe
Speaker 1: last night BYU is still a slight favorite. And your
Speaker 1: guy that played in an era where FSU Miami was
Speaker 1: like the biggest rivalry you could find. And that was
Speaker 1: when I grew up learning to love college football and
Speaker 1: ultimately for Utah. And you know the deal. If you
Speaker 1: have if you have the ability to rise up and
Speaker 1: be great in one moment against your rival, you will
Speaker 1: be remembered in the community forever, even if you're playing
Speaker 1: for a team that has not lived up to expectations.
Speaker 2: And we've seen this game get weird so many times.
Speaker 1: So Brigham Young rolls up here undefeated Utah reeling any
Speaker 1: thoughts on what we could see next Saturday.
Speaker 10: Totally Spence, and you nailed it the one thing I
Speaker 10: never was in very and I'm very thankful for this.
Speaker 10: And we had two rivals because we had Miami and
Speaker 10: we had Florida, and they were both in the state.
Speaker 10: And there was a saying that said, the National Championship
Speaker 10: runs through the state of Florida, because there was a
Speaker 10: really good chance one of the three schools was going
Speaker 10: to be playing in the National Championship Game once the
Speaker 10: season ended. But they always met more and most most
Speaker 10: of the time it met. Our season was either going
Speaker 10: to be a championship season or it was going to
Speaker 10: fall short of those expectations. What I had never experienced
Speaker 10: was what Utah is experiencing now, where really what they're
Speaker 10: playing for is.
Speaker 7: The role of spoiler, right, and they would love.
Speaker 10: Nothing more than to ruin by us great storybook season.
Speaker 10: And the thing, the other thing that really adds some
Speaker 10: fuel to the fire is that a lot of these players,
Speaker 10: you know, some of them grew up playing against each other,
Speaker 10: whether it was in high school or seven on seven leagues.
Speaker 10: They're recruited by the same schools, you know, they run
Speaker 10: in the same circles, and now more than ever, they
Speaker 10: get to know each other because of social media. Because
Speaker 10: you just you cross each other's paths and you develop relationships.
Speaker 10: So it's almost like playing against some of your boys sometimes.
Speaker 10: But those were some of the fiercest matchups you could have.
Speaker 10: I played with guys that I played against in high school,
Speaker 10: and while while I loved them and respect them, I
Speaker 10: hated them and the fact that they were represented another
Speaker 10: school and their colors, and I would do anything I
Speaker 10: could to ruin their season and knock them out of
Speaker 10: a champimpionship game. And Utah's in that role now where yes,
Speaker 10: the season feels like they're not going to get the expectations,
Speaker 10: they're not going to reach the goals. They probably said
Speaker 10: at the beginning of the season. Well, the next best
Speaker 10: thing you can do is salvage a season with the
Speaker 10: win against a rival like BYU playing at home. You
Speaker 10: know what it means, and you are one thousand percent
Speaker 10: right Spence when you say these are the games that
Speaker 10: fans remember ten twenty thirty years from now, Like, no
Speaker 10: one comes up to me and says, oh, I remember
Speaker 10: the game against Wake when you guys scored seventy points. No,
Speaker 10: they say, oh, wait, you were in one of the
Speaker 10: wide right games. And I was like yep, or you
Speaker 10: were in the choke a dope when you guys came
Speaker 10: back thirty one to three. Those are the games that
Speaker 10: fans remember all the time.
Speaker 7: They're never going to remember some.
Speaker 10: Of those regular season games that don't that you're just
Speaker 10: conference games. They remember the rivalry games like this one.
Speaker 1: So how many teams, Danny, do you believe still have
Speaker 1: a legitimate shot to win the Big twelve?
Speaker 7: Oh? Man?
Speaker 10: Uh, I think there's probably five, right, and they all
Speaker 10: start to play each other here down the stretch. Mean,
Speaker 10: it's kind of way the round robin, you know, works
Speaker 10: with that style. Because you've got BYU, You've got Iowa State,
Speaker 10: You've got Kansas State. There's three, and then there's Colorado, right,
Speaker 10: that's right there, that's up towards the top.
Speaker 7: Who am I missing?
Speaker 1: There's got TCU, Texas Tech, Cincinnati, West Virginia all three
Speaker 1: and two.
Speaker 7: So maybe it's just four.
Speaker 10: Maybe it's just those four, and I think Colorado's right
Speaker 10: there on the outside, you know, needs a little bit
Speaker 10: of help, but I do. I probably leaned for the
Speaker 10: favorites to be BYU and Iowa State, Like those two
Speaker 10: are the two you know that kind of you know
Speaker 10: have impressed me the most, have been able to win
Speaker 10: this thing and take it down the home stretch. So
Speaker 10: I think it's probably a four team race, with Colorado
Speaker 10: looking on the outside a.
Speaker 7: Little bit in.
Speaker 10: They've been a great story and Dion's turned that thing
Speaker 10: around and made them, you know, a contender. But yeah,
Speaker 10: I'd say it's probably a four team race.
Speaker 1: Is there a way that this conference gets two teams
Speaker 1: in or does it feel like it's a one, big,
Speaker 1: big big league.
Speaker 7: We have to see what happens.
Speaker 10: An unfortunate reality, and this is what I can't stand
Speaker 10: is that, you know, the big ten in the SEC
Speaker 10: are the super conferences. They've got the most money, they've
Speaker 10: got the biggest brands, and they're probably going to by
Speaker 10: default because of all those factors, get more teams into
Speaker 10: the college football playoffs. So like, if you if you
Speaker 10: put in two Big twelve teams, you're probably gonna have
Speaker 10: to take out one of those Big ten or SEC
Speaker 10: teams and probably.
Speaker 7: One of those SEC teams.
Speaker 10: Like you've got Bama and LSU playing this weekend, to
Speaker 10: you know, two loss teams going to to toe to toe,
Speaker 10: I think they both should be out. Like I think
Speaker 10: two losses especially when you don't have any real, you know,
Speaker 10: big wins, like LSU is really lacking the signature win.
Speaker 10: At least Bama has the Georgia win they can hang
Speaker 10: their hat on. But I think those two losses should
Speaker 10: put you on the outside. But still people have them
Speaker 10: up there, you know, in the top twelve vicinity where
Speaker 10: they could be within striking distance if one of them
Speaker 10: wins out, and like, that's what concerns me is they
Speaker 10: would take a two loss SEC team, oh, a one
Speaker 10: loss Big twelve.
Speaker 11: Team, and then the ACC I still think has two teams.
Speaker 10: That are going to get in, and then you've got
Speaker 10: three or four from the Big ten, and then you've
Speaker 10: also going to get the Group of five team. And
Speaker 10: so the spots just started getting taken up, and that
Speaker 10: sucks a lot of air out of and unfortunately, I
Speaker 10: think the perception of the Big twelve has to, you know,
Speaker 10: start to rise, and they have to change it by
Speaker 10: getting some non conference wins. And I just don't know
Speaker 10: if there's been enough signature wins for the conference to
Speaker 10: get across the board for them to get in two.
Speaker 11: Teams, but I would love to see it, you know.
Speaker 10: I just think there's gonna be some carnage at the end,
Speaker 10: and the champion, the Big twelve champion, is probably gonna
Speaker 10: have one loss, maybe two at them when it's all
Speaker 10: said and done, so'll probably just get one in. But
Speaker 10: there's still a month of football left and it's been
Speaker 10: a wacky year. We'll see if they could possibly sneak
Speaker 10: in two.
Speaker 1: Before I set you loose, I gotta kick the tires,
Speaker 1: not to rub salt in the wound on just exactly
Speaker 1: what's happened in Tallahassee. I mean, it's been rough up here,
Speaker 1: but Florida State and it.
Speaker 7: Continues trade dispense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, seriously, but at one in seven, we're
Speaker 1: all shocked.
Speaker 2: Is this it's a coaching thing? Is it a personnel thing?
Speaker 7: Like?
Speaker 2: How has this gone so poorly?
Speaker 10: It has been the hardest, most disappointing season, and that
Speaker 10: I can remember. You know, since I played at Florida State,
Speaker 10: there have been bad seasons, like we've lost to FCS programs,
Speaker 10: we've been a five win football team. But the thing
Speaker 10: that makes it sting the worst is those expectations coming
Speaker 10: into the season, the fact that I thought they could
Speaker 10: contend for an ACEC championship. The fact that the coaching
Speaker 10: staff thought they had the players in place to win
Speaker 10: an ACC championship and make a playoff run, and it's
Speaker 10: just completely derailed. I think it's a combination of misevaluating talent.
Speaker 10: DJ Leungelay just didn't work, and I was skeptical. I
Speaker 10: didn't think he was the best, you know, quarterback to
Speaker 10: go get in the portal, but I thought he would
Speaker 10: at least provide a floor because of how much experience
Speaker 10: he had. That wasn't the case. The offensive line they
Speaker 10: severely misevaluated because they've been atrocious and they've played seven
Speaker 10: different starting five rotations throughout the season. The defense has
Speaker 10: been good, and I think the defense has been good
Speaker 10: enough to win, so I'm not as hard on them,
Speaker 10: but the offense has just really not been anything like
Speaker 10: that resembles really an FBS program.
Speaker 11: It's been that bad.
Speaker 10: Then you throw in the mix of when players that
Speaker 10: don't live and die and breathe and eat and sleep
Speaker 10: next to each other and you know, are raised in
Speaker 10: the same program. Like when I went to Florida State
Speaker 10: my freshman class, we kind of had a bond with
Speaker 10: each other, and when we became sophomores, and juniors. We
Speaker 10: developed and we got better together.
Speaker 7: There's a lot of.
Speaker 10: New faces, and I think that's what we're going to
Speaker 10: see more often times than we think. When you hit
Speaker 10: that portal and you go portal heavy. When you hit it, yes,
Speaker 10: it can be awesome and you can run the table
Speaker 10: like Florida State did last year.
Speaker 7: But when you miss and.
Speaker 10: You start losing games, that foundation can really start to
Speaker 10: crumble quickly because those guys weren't there to lay the foundation.
Speaker 7: They're just hired mercenaries.
Speaker 10: And when that thing starts coming off the rails, I
Speaker 10: think you start to see players throwing the towel a
Speaker 10: little bit and then can really come off the rails,
Speaker 10: which clearly happened there in Tallahassee.
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Speaker 1: All Right, the Utah Jazz are at action tonight. They're
Speaker 1: taking on the San Antonio Spurs. Jazz are actually a
Speaker 1: slight favorite in this game. At this juncture, the Jazz
Speaker 1: are the only team in the NBA that has not won.
Speaker 2: A basketball game.
Speaker 1: Of course, there's a lot of attention surrounding the unfortunate
Speaker 1: news that Taylor Hendrix is going to have his development
Speaker 1: stunted mightily with a just a super horrific sad leg
Speaker 1: injury to his looks like it's going to be his
Speaker 1: ankle and his fibula, but he's out for the year.
Speaker 1: We'll see when the surgery, you know, kind of comes down.
Speaker 1: I'm told that it hasn't happened yet. They're probably still
Speaker 1: trying to analyze what's best. But at this point the
Speaker 1: Spurs do have one win. But San Antonio is not
Speaker 1: a great team. But it is worth the price of admission.
Speaker 1: If you've never seen Victor Wembanyama play, I mean, it
Speaker 1: really is unlike anything I've seen before. You've heard all
Speaker 1: the analysts talk about it. He is any by any
Speaker 1: measurable metric, no matter kind of what you rely on.
Speaker 2: Most people believe he's the.
Speaker 1: Best prospect to play NBA basketball since Lebron James, and
Speaker 1: the best prospect to build an NBA team around, because
Speaker 1: san Antonio a couple of years ago did the thing
Speaker 1: that the Jazz did not, and they did the right
Speaker 1: thing when there was a generational player available.
Speaker 2: Wembenyama is twenty years old.
Speaker 1: He and Taylor HENDRICKX are the very same age, and
Speaker 1: san Antonio, by going all in on being bad, including
Speaker 1: trading de Jontay Murray, a twenty five year old All Star,
Speaker 1: for not much of anything in return, knew that even
Speaker 1: if it meant you had a slight shot at Wembnyama,
Speaker 1: you had to go all in on losing games unquote
Speaker 1: developing young players. Where we heard that, oh this year,
Speaker 1: that's right from the Jazz, right So I talked about
Speaker 1: it that season, moving off Murray, they played, they played
Speaker 1: bizarre lineups. Greg Popovich was like trolling everybody, but their
Speaker 1: whole ethos That year was when man Yama is so special,
Speaker 1: we at least want to give ourselves a shot at them. Now,
Speaker 1: the lottery ads, lottery odds have been flattened. Asked Detroit,
Speaker 1: there's no guarantee that if you're the worst team in
Speaker 1: the NBA, you get the worst pick, asked Atlanta, there's
Speaker 1: a chance that if you're ten, you might move up
Speaker 1: to one. It does happen from time to time. But ultimately,
Speaker 1: I don't know that, you know, the the Jazz are
Speaker 1: doing this intentionally because they would never say it out loud.
Speaker 1: And as I've said often, I feel like it's a
Speaker 1: day eight and a dollar short.
Speaker 2: But if they are finally.
Speaker 1: Going about their business, because again, what's the verbiage we
Speaker 1: hear from the front office, what's the verb what's the
Speaker 1: verbiage we hear, you know, from the the powers that be,
Speaker 1: the decision makers.
Speaker 2: This year is going to be all about development, you know, And.
Speaker 1: Essentially that's code in the NBA for hey guys, just
Speaker 1: so you know, we're going to be really bad this year.
Speaker 1: And while I do believe the best time to do
Speaker 1: this would have been two years ago. If you're going
Speaker 1: to move off Mitchell and go Bear and very smart
Speaker 1: front office basketball people have decided they didn't want to
Speaker 1: work for this new iteration or whatever this is. Dennis
Speaker 1: Lindsay leaves, Quinn Snyder leaves. The time to do this
Speaker 1: was then, and it did coincide with Wembnyama bursting on
Speaker 1: everybody's scene as the best young building block that has
Speaker 1: emerged since Lebron James, and for whatever reason, they didn't.
Speaker 1: And I've heard a bunch of excuses that don't buy
Speaker 1: at all. Like I heard somebody say, well, we were
Speaker 1: trying to tank, but our coach is too good, to
Speaker 1: which I respond, who coaches the Spurs like there's nothing there?
Speaker 1: And so the best time to do this would have
Speaker 1: been two years ago, but the second best time to
Speaker 1: do it is now. And so if they're doing it
Speaker 1: intentionally behind the scenes, let me say congratulations, because this
Speaker 1: is exactly what you need to be doing. I will
Speaker 1: say this. We had Craig Bowler Jack Gordon Monson live
Speaker 1: in studio, and Bowler's a pro. You know, he's going
Speaker 1: to do the deal to the best of his ability,
Speaker 1: and he's going to make sure that you know, he
Speaker 1: does a great job. But this is hard on the team.
Speaker 1: It's hard on the players, it's really hard on the coach.
Speaker 1: Coaches never want to lose at all. But remember, let's
Speaker 1: let's let's draw some parallels here, Let's draw some dotted lines,
Speaker 1: because I can tell you if somebody has been in
Speaker 1: media for a long time, but it's also been on
Speaker 1: the team side. What you hear from teams is not
Speaker 1: the deal. That's why they have communication staffs. That's why
Speaker 1: they have emergency PR meetings to make sure what make
Speaker 1: sure what what is our messaging?
Speaker 2: What are we telling the community.
Speaker 1: It's very rare that you get from the team exactly
Speaker 1: what's going on behind the scenes. So you hear what
Speaker 1: they say to the media, you hear what they say
Speaker 1: during interviews, and then you kind of have to do
Speaker 1: the best you can to connect the dots behind the
Speaker 1: scenes understand exactly what's going on. It's not a coincidence
Speaker 1: that they picked up Will Hardy's fifth year about three
Speaker 1: weeks ago.
Speaker 2: Now, remember this is Will's third year.
Speaker 1: His fourth year option had already been exercised, but they
Speaker 1: picked up his fifth year option a few weeks ago.
Speaker 1: There are probably a number of reasons for it, but
Speaker 1: the timing certainly struck me. It's not something that happens
Speaker 1: often in pro basketball.
Speaker 2: Reason Number one is.
Speaker 1: Will's very bright and anybody who's ever been around him,
Speaker 1: and we've had interviews Jeff Van Gundy, coach with Will
Speaker 1: Hardy USA Basketball Steve Kerr, who said, the Jazz just
Speaker 1: signed a rising star like it feels to be a
Speaker 1: consensus that one of very few pieces that you have
Speaker 1: in place that appeared to be the correct decision. It's
Speaker 1: your head coach. So number one is you just lock
Speaker 1: in a guy you like an awful lot. Okay, so
Speaker 1: that's what they did. But ultimately, if early season returns
Speaker 1: are any indicator, and I'm going to get here in
Speaker 1: a moment, because it's not just the losing, it's the
Speaker 1: way the Jeffs are losing. That says to me, Okay,
Speaker 1: they have done their due diligence on this upcoming draft
Speaker 1: class that includes a bevy of prospects that people are
Speaker 1: very excited about, none the least of which is a
Speaker 1: young freshman. Not that you need an excuse to watch
Speaker 1: Duke basketball, because ESPN essentially shows us all of their.
Speaker 2: Games whether we want them or not.
Speaker 1: But if you have a chance to tune in, college
Speaker 1: basketball can be a rough product to watch. Not gonna lie,
Speaker 1: but Cooper Flag, the freshman from Duke. You guys have
Speaker 1: heard the name by you know by now, there's a
Speaker 1: great piece in the athletic where a writer, an NBA
Speaker 1: writer that works for the Athletics, spent a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks with Cooper Flag and his family and talking to
Speaker 1: a bunch of talent evaluators in scouts and pro basketball.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stop short of saying a wem Bunyama gift
Speaker 1: or a wem Bunyama, you know, infusion of hope, because
Speaker 1: what prospects like Victor Webbuyama and Lebron James, who are generational,
Speaker 1: what they do is they change communities.
Speaker 2: They really do. They change cities. We saw with Lebron
Speaker 2: in Cleveland the positive effect he had on his community,
Speaker 2: and you will see it in San Antonio because ultimately,
Speaker 2: guys like that, you don't miss on him, and you
Speaker 2: don't miss on a chance just to maybe luck into
Speaker 2: getting them. You just don't.
Speaker 1: It's bad management, it's bad decision making. And I think
Speaker 1: that's what the Jazz did two years ago. But if
Speaker 1: Cooper Flagg is thought to be or I mean, look,
Speaker 1: if you guys, you know, kind of keep up with
Speaker 1: the polts of NBA basketball and you read about the
Speaker 1: draft stuff, and my guess is a lot of Jazz
Speaker 1: fans do your names like Dylan Harper.
Speaker 2: Ron Harper's kid is going to be for Rutgers.
Speaker 1: And by the way, his teammate Ace Bailey, what's going
Speaker 1: on at Rutgers. By the way, his teammate A's Bailey
Speaker 1: is also thought to be a generational piece. Nolan Treiori,
Speaker 1: who's a French international kid, DJ Edgecombe from Baylor, you know,
Speaker 1: Trey Johnson from Texas, Drake Powell from Carolina, like you
Speaker 1: hear people. And there's a kid who plays for Al Madrid,
Speaker 1: Hugo Gonzalez. Liam McNeely, who's a You hear people talk
Speaker 1: about this draft that if you have one of the
Speaker 1: top six or seven picks, you're going to potentially have
Speaker 1: a generationally special player. You did not hear that about
Speaker 1: the draft last year, which leads me to this draft
Speaker 1: pick that continues to be floated out there as something
Speaker 1: that inevitably, at some point will have to convey. Okay,
Speaker 1: so it's the same deal this year. If it's it's
Speaker 1: top ten protected. So if the Jazz, you know, if
Speaker 1: it's out of the top ten, the Jazz have to
Speaker 1: send that pick to Oklahoma City, which makes me laugh
Speaker 1: every time, because OKAC might be the best team in
Speaker 1: the West.
Speaker 2: Nobody's close to Boston.
Speaker 1: OKC might be the best team in the West, but
Speaker 1: they also are as well positioned to add talent as
Speaker 1: anyone in the league, including the Jazz, who are not
Speaker 1: even close to living in the same stratosphere, in the
Speaker 1: same cul de sac is where OKC finds themselves. San
Speaker 1: Antonio still in a tremendous position to surround Victor Wiberyam
Speaker 1: with talent as he ages because of all their draft
Speaker 1: capital and relatively clean books. Right, but san Antonio has
Speaker 1: already found the thing that the Jazz are still looking for.
Speaker 2: And I love lowry marketing. We all love lowry marketing.
Speaker 1: If you're heading down to the Jazz game tonight, chances
Speaker 1: are one of the main reasons you bought your ticket
Speaker 1: is to watch market and play. I think he's going tonight.
Speaker 1: He did leave the other night with some back issues.
Speaker 1: I think Craig said he was a game time decision.
Speaker 1: So we'll have to see if marketing goes and certainly
Speaker 1: to be fun to watch Walker Kessler Victor wemen Yama.
Speaker 1: But my point in the whole thing is a year
Speaker 1: ago when the draft wasn't great, and the early returns
Speaker 1: of even the Reshache Kid and some of the high
Speaker 1: draft picks so far not awesome.
Speaker 2: The question is why didn't you allow the pick to
Speaker 2: convey Toronto? Did it last year?
Speaker 1: I think it was the pick they had in the
Speaker 1: Yaka Pearl trade, I think with San Antonio, and it
Speaker 1: was set to convey, and they did their calculations and
Speaker 1: they decided to And this is good. This is the thing,
Speaker 1: you guys know this you watched it last year, is
Speaker 1: the Jazz started city players here there because they clearly
Speaker 1: wanted to maintain their draft capital. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: if the draft last year wasn't going to breed anybody
Speaker 1: all that special, and you have to convey the pick
Speaker 1: at some point, why don't you do it in a
Speaker 1: year that's bad because and look, it does look like
Speaker 1: the Jazz are going to be in a position to
Speaker 1: hold on to it because it'll be top ten and
Speaker 1: maybe hopefully fingers crossed, man, have we earned it in
Speaker 1: this market to get Lady Luck smiling down upon us
Speaker 1: in the NBA draft lottery process, maybe you rise up
Speaker 1: to a top two or three pick. Can we even
Speaker 1: dream that you get to number one? Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 1: If the Jazz are really doing because back to the
Speaker 1: whole dynamic of hearing the front off is tell people
Speaker 1: what they're doing and then watching the actual proof of concept. Yes,
Speaker 1: you hear them talk about development, but development is code
Speaker 1: in pro basketball for we're not going to be very
Speaker 1: good this year, So please ride with us. And I
Speaker 1: would say to you, as the fan base and as
Speaker 1: somebody who cheers for the Jazz just like you do,
Speaker 1: if this is the plan, embrace it with both arms.
Speaker 1: Embrace it with open arms, man like if they're finally
Speaker 1: doing the thing that they should have been doing for
Speaker 1: the past couple of years. After Quinn and Dennis left
Speaker 1: and they traded Gobert and Mitchell and Conley and Bogdanovich
Speaker 1: and Royce and everybody, I mean, they jettison that entire group.
Speaker 1: And yes, we can go into whether or not the
Speaker 1: well had run dry. Most people say the answer to
Speaker 1: that is yes. I still question whether or not that's
Speaker 1: the case, But regardless, that is the direction that I
Speaker 1: believe they should have taken right away. If you're going
Speaker 1: to rebuild, go all in and do what you gotta
Speaker 1: do to make sure that you can suffer through the pain,
Speaker 1: because what you don't want is ten straight years of
Speaker 1: thirty five to forty wins, you know, and then what
Speaker 1: are you exactly and then what do you have to
Speaker 1: utilize dad talent? In this market? It has to be draft,
Speaker 1: it has to be draft, develop and retain. And honestly,
Speaker 1: sometimes I think that's over hyped about it only being
Speaker 1: Assault Lake team. Sure, a Salt Lake thing, Golden State essentially,
Speaker 1: you know they drafted Steph Clay and Draymond. Yes, they
Speaker 1: added Durant and that was unfair and that will never
Speaker 1: happen here. But the spine of that team was draft developed,
Speaker 1: re tain right.
Speaker 2: So bottom line, if.
Speaker 1: This and it does appear that this is going to
Speaker 1: be a really really long, hard year for Jazz fans,
Speaker 1: team employees, players, coaches, If the long game does actually
Speaker 1: shine upon the Jazz the way it shined upon San
Speaker 1: Antonio two years ago, and the Jazz finally get that
Speaker 1: Lady luck ball to bounce their way and Cooper Flag
Speaker 1: is in a Jazz uniform this year or next year,
Speaker 1: go to eighty two, okay, because this essentially will give
Speaker 1: you some hope because right now it's a team and
Speaker 1: it's hard to have a lot.
Speaker 2: Of hope in them.
Speaker 1: The bottom line, so we'll see if you're heading down
Speaker 1: and enjoy the Victor Wemban Yama show. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like him. An excellent song close
Speaker 1: the show with On a Halloween Thursday.
Speaker 2: All Right, you're still young.
Speaker 1: I know you're an old soul, but you're still a
Speaker 1: young And when I was a young, Halloween was a
Speaker 1: night where if you wanted to get kind of weird.
Speaker 2: You could go get kind of weird? Is that on
Speaker 2: the cards for you this evening?
Speaker 3: Usually I would say so, but it's, you know, a Thursday.
Speaker 3: We've got football on. It's chilly. I've never been a
Speaker 3: big Halloween guy, but is I get older and older
Speaker 3: and older, it's less and less.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm gonna go out and see the East
Speaker 2: and the nephew dress up out.
Speaker 1: In draper, so I'll enjoy that. But yeah, we've got
Speaker 1: some pro football coming your way. It's the Jets and
Speaker 1: it is the Texans coming up on the other side.
Speaker 1: The Jets are a slight favorite. The Texans opened up
Speaker 1: as the favorite. The Jets are now two point five
Speaker 1: point favorite. We'll see if throw Rogan can figure it out.
Speaker 1: On a little Thursday night football, all right, Porter, before
Speaker 1: we say goodnight, to go get weird.
Speaker 2: On a Halloween Thursday. What comes our way on a
Speaker 2: Friday show?
Speaker 3: Uloaded Friday Show, Guess each and every segment on a
Speaker 3: Friday Show. Max Brown talking college football, Howard Beck talking NBA,
Speaker 3: Zach Harper doubling up on the NBA Daily Assist, Neil
Speaker 3: Smith talking Utah Hockey Club, Andy Larson going any which
Speaker 3: way you want to go. So we'll be jam packed
Speaker 3: on a Friday show and can go in with really
Speaker 3: any direction.
Speaker 2: It's a great time of year. There's a ton going on.
Speaker 1: It's a bye week for Utah and BYU, but a
Speaker 1: bevy of gray college football action, Pro football action too
Speaker 1: this weekend, which starts next with the Jets and the
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