WEBVTT 1 00:00:31.519 --> 00:00:36.159 Hello, and welcome to episode one twelve of Game Spot 2 00:00:36.240 --> 00:00:41.359 after Dark. I am your host, Tamar Hussein, and I 3 00:00:41.399 --> 00:00:47.119 am joined by the one the only you already know. 4 00:00:47.560 --> 00:00:53.640 It's Jean Louisch. You baby, Oh god, you hate to 5 00:00:53.679 --> 00:00:56.520 hear it. You're supposed to talk yet. 6 00:00:58.600 --> 00:00:59.560 Aren't supposed to talk? 7 00:01:00.119 --> 00:01:00.479 Laughter? 8 00:01:01.920 --> 00:01:06.560 That laughter, You hear that laughter. You hear It's over now, 9 00:01:06.959 --> 00:01:14.079 of course, because that is Jordan. And that voice you 10 00:01:14.120 --> 00:01:16.439 heard earlier speaking out of turn is the one we 11 00:01:16.480 --> 00:01:18.200 call peaches and Cream. 12 00:01:18.480 --> 00:01:27.319 Michael p the pea still baby yeah, fuck y'all. 13 00:01:30.560 --> 00:01:35.439 In case you're wondering, In case you're wondering what all 14 00:01:35.439 --> 00:01:38.519 those weird phrases were, those were all the titles of 15 00:01:39.000 --> 00:01:40.040 one twelve songs. 16 00:01:41.239 --> 00:01:43.680 I was gonna say once on one of the four 17 00:01:44.120 --> 00:01:46.719 of my favorite R and B groups, which was Drew Hill, 18 00:01:46.959 --> 00:01:52.079 once to all Black Street and ooh ooh Jacket Edge. 19 00:01:53.760 --> 00:01:57.159 I think that's a strong quartet. That is a powerful quartet. 20 00:01:57.359 --> 00:02:00.920 You've got Black Street and I'm happy. I'm good, I'm good. 21 00:02:01.280 --> 00:02:04.599 Of course we are welcoming back. Michael him to the podcast. 22 00:02:04.599 --> 00:02:06.200 He said he was going to be back, and he's 23 00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:10.280 back back. He's the only ones and we back. 24 00:02:10.719 --> 00:02:14.759 I love my wife. I love my wife. 25 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:18.840 That is, of course, Chance the Rapper. 26 00:02:20.360 --> 00:02:23.479 Put some respect Chances doing a lot more than rap. 27 00:02:23.560 --> 00:02:27.039 Now he's like expanding his this medium empire, and he's 28 00:02:27.039 --> 00:02:29.479 like really low key and if you watch him on interviews, 29 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:31.000 he's like a real humble, chill dude. 30 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:32.919 He's just like, I don't know, yeah. 31 00:02:32.759 --> 00:02:35.280 He's he's he's a nice guy. I can't say I'm 32 00:02:35.560 --> 00:02:39.879 massively into Chance the Rapper, but I'm into Chance philanthropy 33 00:02:40.039 --> 00:02:43.199 and the Chances a social Yeah, he's funny, he's cool. 34 00:02:43.280 --> 00:02:44.639 He had that moment where he was like I was 35 00:02:44.639 --> 00:02:48.240 standing behind Kanye and Kanye was like fully like Maga 36 00:02:48.400 --> 00:02:52.479 and he was like standing behind Kanye and everyone's like, 37 00:02:52.599 --> 00:02:57.960 Chances like it's okay to see that. You truly hate 38 00:02:57.960 --> 00:03:01.439 to see it, but you know what to see Delta, 39 00:03:02.400 --> 00:03:06.840 which is out now, and we've got to appropriate people 40 00:03:06.919 --> 00:03:10.439 to speak about it. We've got Jean Luke, a huge 41 00:03:10.520 --> 00:03:13.840 kind of Undertail and the other Are you a fan 42 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:16.120 of Undertail, Michael, I've never had any. 43 00:03:16.120 --> 00:03:17.680 Excuse you, excuse you. 44 00:03:17.759 --> 00:03:19.280 I can't tell joking or not. 45 00:03:21.919 --> 00:03:24.560 I I ow Toby Fox. 46 00:03:24.599 --> 00:03:29.319 My career in games media by extension of good by 47 00:03:29.560 --> 00:03:33.879 like some weird association. But uh yeah, delter Une, Oh 48 00:03:33.919 --> 00:03:36.240 my god, yo, we're gonna start. 49 00:03:37.639 --> 00:03:39.319 We're going with We're starting with Delton. 50 00:03:39.400 --> 00:03:41.400 That's all right, that's why y'all brought off with your 51 00:03:41.439 --> 00:03:44.319 top off. All right, let me get shirtless real quick. 52 00:03:45.360 --> 00:03:46.879 We don't do video on this ship no more. 53 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:53.960 But uh, who the fuck is we us? Okay ship yo? Okay. 54 00:03:54.039 --> 00:03:58.080 Delta Roune. First off, I want to say, be. 55 00:03:58.080 --> 00:04:00.000 Sure to check out nine to nine Potions a Hot 56 00:04:00.039 --> 00:04:01.039 fan bye podcast. 57 00:04:01.360 --> 00:04:01.840 Well we do. 58 00:04:04.240 --> 00:04:08.199 It hasn't even been like five five minutes. 59 00:04:09.000 --> 00:04:11.520 No, but yash, just stick around here for at least 60 00:04:11.520 --> 00:04:16.319 an hour. But so, Delta Roune Hot drop on Friday, 61 00:04:16.839 --> 00:04:20.240 cause so this is the second chapter of Toby Fox's 62 00:04:20.759 --> 00:04:25.279 Alternate Undertail universe, I guess you could say. And it 63 00:04:25.399 --> 00:04:26.959 was like it came out of nowhere, no. 64 00:04:26.920 --> 00:04:28.160 One expected it. 65 00:04:28.160 --> 00:04:32.360 It was Wednesday after like an Undertail was an anniversary stream, 66 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:35.360 six year six year anniversary stream. And then at the 67 00:04:35.439 --> 00:04:38.079 end it's like boom surprise, Delta Roun chapter two is 68 00:04:38.160 --> 00:04:42.319 dropping on Friday in two days, and it's fucking wild, 69 00:04:42.439 --> 00:04:47.839 Like I remember when Delta Roun dropped on Halloween in 70 00:04:47.879 --> 00:04:50.399 twenty eighteen, the first chapter dropped and that was a 71 00:04:50.480 --> 00:04:54.920 huge surprise because years because it was yeah, yo, I know, 72 00:04:55.040 --> 00:04:56.720 and I was watching back the stream I did with 73 00:04:56.800 --> 00:04:59.000 Tay where I was dressed up as Gorel Moduma, and 74 00:04:59.040 --> 00:05:01.240 I was like, Yo, what the hell is because it 75 00:05:01.240 --> 00:05:04.160 came out of nowhere and we're like, holy shit, there's 76 00:05:04.199 --> 00:05:07.360 another piece of the Undertail multiverse. 77 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:07.639 I guess you could say. 78 00:05:08.079 --> 00:05:11.160 And Undertail means a lot of things. I've spoken about 79 00:05:11.279 --> 00:05:16.079 Undertail in various capacities through my time at GameSpot, and yeah, 80 00:05:16.079 --> 00:05:17.399 that game means a lot to me. And then so 81 00:05:17.439 --> 00:05:19.480 when Delta Une dropped, it was just kind of this 82 00:05:19.600 --> 00:05:23.680 really overwhelming feeling that holy shit, there's more. I can't 83 00:05:23.720 --> 00:05:27.600 believe this and it was an incredible experience. So Delta 84 00:05:27.720 --> 00:05:30.480 in chapter two dropped by a surprise again and that 85 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:33.240 it was that sort of feeling all over again. But 86 00:05:33.399 --> 00:05:37.319 there's a lot more to it, because okay, how about 87 00:05:37.319 --> 00:05:39.439 I start with this. When you boot up Deltau in 88 00:05:39.560 --> 00:05:42.600 chapter two, you see that there are slots in the 89 00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:46.399 main menu for it up to chapter seven. So there 90 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:51.160 is three, four, five, six, and seven chapters in the 91 00:05:51.240 --> 00:05:55.120 Delta Roun story that are planned and this is only 92 00:05:55.240 --> 00:05:55.800 chapter two. 93 00:05:55.920 --> 00:05:56.839 This is this I. 94 00:05:56.720 --> 00:05:58.759 Feel like, this is this is exactly it makes me 95 00:05:58.759 --> 00:06:01.120 feel exactly how it felt within and James Kemmen was like, 96 00:06:01.160 --> 00:06:03.279 I've got they two Avatar movies I'm working on. 97 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:08.480 Yeah, except like I'm excited. Actually the actually care about this, 98 00:06:09.000 --> 00:06:12.639 actually care Yeah, but like also like. 99 00:06:12.639 --> 00:06:14.519 To that point, it's the same. 100 00:06:14.360 --> 00:06:19.040 Feeling I have when like Corey's like, hey, by the way, 101 00:06:19.160 --> 00:06:21.360 God of War is going to be a dualogy because 102 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:23.360 it's going to take us like forever to make a 103 00:06:23.399 --> 00:06:26.639 trilogy of God of War games, or in the same 104 00:06:26.680 --> 00:06:29.160 way people are like, oh yeah, Final Fantasy seven remake 105 00:06:29.279 --> 00:06:31.959 is the first part of the multi part series. I'm like, dude, 106 00:06:31.959 --> 00:06:34.920 you've only covered like very early. 107 00:06:34.759 --> 00:06:35.639 Of this game. 108 00:06:35.720 --> 00:06:40.399 This is going to take like twenty years, if not longer, 109 00:06:40.519 --> 00:06:43.199 to cover the entire story at the pace that you're going. 110 00:06:43.279 --> 00:06:45.439 So the fact that he's like releasing at chapters and 111 00:06:45.480 --> 00:06:46.639 you're telling me there's like. 112 00:06:47.680 --> 00:06:52.439 Said, I don't like I just said that because because 113 00:06:52.519 --> 00:06:56.519 chapter one was basically like mostly him by himself with 114 00:06:56.839 --> 00:07:00.600 some assistance. Chapter two, uh, like part way through he 115 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:02.879 was like, guys, I need some help with this, and 116 00:07:02.920 --> 00:07:04.360 like kind of like put off the call, got a 117 00:07:04.360 --> 00:07:08.639 bunch of people in and get the According to the blog, 118 00:07:08.800 --> 00:07:12.319 he said, like a lot of the framework has now 119 00:07:12.360 --> 00:07:14.439 been laid out in chapter two that they can then 120 00:07:14.600 --> 00:07:17.600 use to build the rest of the chapters. So I 121 00:07:17.639 --> 00:07:19.879 think the rest of the chapters should come at a 122 00:07:19.920 --> 00:07:23.240 much faster pace. I think he said that chapters three, four, 123 00:07:23.240 --> 00:07:24.759 and five are gonna come out the same as one. 124 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:26.199 Yeah, so it's. 125 00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:28.800 Not going to be like every three years, we're getting 126 00:07:28.879 --> 00:07:30.920 one fucking deltaate chapter. 127 00:07:31.120 --> 00:07:31.480 Yeah. 128 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:33.519 Yeah, So the next thing that's lined up is going 129 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:37.759 to be a huge chunk. But chapter two, like obviously 130 00:07:37.800 --> 00:07:40.240 we're not gonna talk about spoilers because it's like that's 131 00:07:40.240 --> 00:07:44.079 not what this what this is gonna be. But potassium 132 00:07:45.199 --> 00:07:51.240 my god, yes, bananas the chapter two. So the thing 133 00:07:51.279 --> 00:07:53.600 with chapter one is that you play through it and 134 00:07:53.720 --> 00:07:56.279 I feel like you come away with more questions and 135 00:07:56.399 --> 00:07:59.040 answers because there's a lot of connections to undertail that 136 00:07:59.120 --> 00:08:01.959 aren't overleas stated. You see a lot of similarities, you 137 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:04.519 see a lot of the same characters, but everything's been 138 00:08:04.560 --> 00:08:07.480 shuffled around and you kind of just don't know how 139 00:08:07.480 --> 00:08:09.600 to make sense of it. If especially if you're like 140 00:08:09.639 --> 00:08:12.680 an Undertail diehard fan, it's like, what does this all mean? 141 00:08:13.160 --> 00:08:15.000 And then kind of when you go into chapter two, 142 00:08:15.279 --> 00:08:18.079 that groundwork has already been laid, like the battle system, 143 00:08:18.120 --> 00:08:20.720 the characters, the kind of the world, the concepts are 144 00:08:20.759 --> 00:08:24.920 already there. So the expectations are very different going into 145 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:29.279 chapter two, and I feel like there's this even more questions, 146 00:08:29.600 --> 00:08:31.839 Like some questions have been answered, but holy shit, does 147 00:08:31.920 --> 00:08:35.559 chapter two like open its entire open up the entire 148 00:08:35.600 --> 00:08:38.759 story to even more questions, And the fact that there 149 00:08:38.759 --> 00:08:41.679 are seven chapters is it's almost comforting in a way 150 00:08:41.679 --> 00:08:45.240 because you're like, oh, I'm I've worked like the fact 151 00:08:45.360 --> 00:08:47.399 like Undertail exists on its own, and it could have 152 00:08:47.399 --> 00:08:49.480 been just that and Toby Fox could have just been like, 153 00:08:49.480 --> 00:08:52.320 you know what, I'm not doing anything anymore. And it's 154 00:08:52.360 --> 00:08:55.639 just this really overwhelming feeling of I can't believe where 155 00:08:55.679 --> 00:08:58.000 this can go because there's so much, there's so much 156 00:08:58.000 --> 00:09:01.639 to work with, there's so much, there's so many cool 157 00:09:01.679 --> 00:09:03.480 things that they could do. And the thing about chapter 158 00:09:03.519 --> 00:09:04.840 two is that there's a lot you could see that 159 00:09:04.879 --> 00:09:07.720 there's a lot more production values because if like, I 160 00:09:07.759 --> 00:09:09.799 love chapter one, but you can see in many parts 161 00:09:09.799 --> 00:09:12.399 where it's bare bones in terms of it's like it's 162 00:09:12.440 --> 00:09:16.720 dungeon design. Some of the things that that it asks 163 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:19.200 you to do in terms of environmental puzzles, it felt 164 00:09:19.360 --> 00:09:21.600 somewhat bare bones, especially towards the end of that chapter. 165 00:09:21.919 --> 00:09:25.240 So with chapter two, like the impression, you get the 166 00:09:25.240 --> 00:09:28.000 impression right away once you step into the cyber world, 167 00:09:28.039 --> 00:09:30.480 which is the new kind of piece of the dark 168 00:09:30.519 --> 00:09:33.600 world that you're going into for chapter two. Your first 169 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:36.000 impression is when you're on that little escalator thing and 170 00:09:36.039 --> 00:09:38.600 you're looking over the city skyline and it's just like 171 00:09:38.639 --> 00:09:44.720 this beautiful, vivid visual of like this this bustling city 172 00:09:45.120 --> 00:09:47.320 and the music starts playing and you're there with the 173 00:09:47.399 --> 00:09:50.279 characters from chapter one and it's just like this, Like 174 00:09:51.360 --> 00:09:53.519 almost I got teary eyed because I was like, holy shit, 175 00:09:53.720 --> 00:09:56.519 this is this is now the level that Deltrun is 176 00:09:56.559 --> 00:09:59.480 being presented at. This is now the new norm for 177 00:09:59.639 --> 00:10:03.039 something of from the Undertail lineage, And it felt really 178 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:06.360 really cool to know that. 179 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:06.519 That this is what it is now. 180 00:10:06.559 --> 00:10:10.159 And yeah, I think it shows that, you know, Toby 181 00:10:10.159 --> 00:10:11.960 Fox has a lot more he's working with a lot 182 00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:14.399 more people, he's a lot more resources, and it shows 183 00:10:14.399 --> 00:10:16.720 and a lot of the different things that you do 184 00:10:16.799 --> 00:10:19.600 in chapter two, with the environmental puzzles, with some of 185 00:10:19.600 --> 00:10:22.000 the some of the way the battle mechanics kind of 186 00:10:22.039 --> 00:10:26.360 twist and change, and like you expect those things from Undertail, 187 00:10:26.440 --> 00:10:30.399 like those to like your expectations to be subverted, and 188 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:34.279 they do it in very, very new and different ways. 189 00:10:34.320 --> 00:10:37.039 With chapter two. It's really cool. It's I like it 190 00:10:37.080 --> 00:10:37.440 a lot. 191 00:10:38.399 --> 00:10:40.320 I don't think it necessarily hits you with the same 192 00:10:40.440 --> 00:10:43.559 sort of overwhelming feeling that you get in chapter one, 193 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:46.639 because chapter one was like this first impression of something 194 00:10:46.639 --> 00:10:49.799 completely new, but chapter two is like, okay, like you 195 00:10:49.799 --> 00:10:51.559 could see how this is a segment in a much 196 00:10:51.639 --> 00:10:57.159 larger story. So yeah, it's I don't know, it's. 197 00:10:57.279 --> 00:11:00.919 It's like chapter two is like fleshing out the like 198 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:03.159 what what it kind of set up, because yeah, it's 199 00:11:03.200 --> 00:11:05.879 like that first chapter is like, oh shit, like what's 200 00:11:05.919 --> 00:11:09.200 going on? Like more do more Undertail, let's go like 201 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:11.480 there's all my boys that are and you're like really 202 00:11:11.480 --> 00:11:15.639 excited about it. Where this one. I think something I 203 00:11:15.639 --> 00:11:20.840 really appreciate about this chapter is that they are they're 204 00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:25.000 devoting a lot more time to the new characters still 205 00:11:25.159 --> 00:11:29.080 and and they're keeping the undertail characters more in the background. 206 00:11:29.279 --> 00:11:31.120 I kind of compared it to like the second season 207 00:11:31.159 --> 00:11:33.879 of Digimon, like tie in the other crew, like they're 208 00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:35.879 still there in the background, but we're here about this 209 00:11:35.960 --> 00:11:38.200 new digit deskiny. 210 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:37.840 Going on. 211 00:11:39.600 --> 00:11:41.759 This second chapter, and. 212 00:11:43.720 --> 00:11:46.600 I think that there's a lot of really really excellent 213 00:11:46.639 --> 00:11:50.600 character development, get some really great stuff. But like like Susie, 214 00:11:50.600 --> 00:11:54.360 they they they bring back in uh Noel, who is 215 00:11:54.559 --> 00:11:56.279 kind of had like a really small role in the 216 00:11:56.320 --> 00:11:58.919 first chapter, and she kind of comes back in a 217 00:11:58.960 --> 00:12:02.480 major way. And and I do this stuff with like 218 00:12:02.960 --> 00:12:04.639 I want to get into a but like go like 219 00:12:04.759 --> 00:12:08.080 Rosey's like, oh my god, yeah, so adorable, and like 220 00:12:08.120 --> 00:12:10.320 some of the stuff that happens there, I was like, oh, 221 00:12:10.440 --> 00:12:15.360 let's go like oh man, like the my my my my, 222 00:12:15.960 --> 00:12:18.360 like ship Brain was like it was like tingling. I 223 00:12:18.399 --> 00:12:22.240 was like, ooh, oh, yes, yes, things are happening, Relationships 224 00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:25.399 are developing, and you know, I'm I'm very curious to 225 00:12:25.399 --> 00:12:28.159 see where that goes because I think Toby Fox has 226 00:12:28.480 --> 00:12:31.399 said it's not going to have like the level of 227 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:34.440 interactivity and deviation is undertail, but you can make a 228 00:12:34.519 --> 00:12:36.720 couple of choices that I'm like, is. 229 00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:40.440 This gonna lead to something? I'm kind of kind of curious. 230 00:12:40.480 --> 00:12:40.679 Yeah. 231 00:12:41.799 --> 00:12:45.320 Yeah, A question for you too, as someone who has 232 00:12:45.360 --> 00:12:50.360 not played Delta Rune chapter one since twenty eighteen. Not 233 00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:52.360 because I didn't like it. I loved the first chapter. 234 00:12:52.440 --> 00:12:55.000 I just games just keep coming out and I just 235 00:12:55.080 --> 00:12:58.960 don't have time ye go back and replay things. The 236 00:12:59.240 --> 00:13:01.480 reference is bad to the first chapter, are they like 237 00:13:02.159 --> 00:13:04.879 deep cuts? Like should I go back and replay chapter 238 00:13:04.879 --> 00:13:06.679 one ahead of chapter two? Or can I just kind 239 00:13:06.679 --> 00:13:08.519 of jump into chapter two and if I can remember 240 00:13:08.559 --> 00:13:10.360 the basic strokes, I should be. 241 00:13:10.879 --> 00:13:13.799 I think you can find Because I also hadn't played 242 00:13:14.000 --> 00:13:18.120 since like it first came out. Yeah, so and and 243 00:13:18.279 --> 00:13:20.639 I was like, like it took me and I was like, 244 00:13:20.679 --> 00:13:23.639 oh right, yeah you you yep, yep, okay, got it? 245 00:13:23.759 --> 00:13:28.200 Like it all kind of comes back to you. 246 00:13:28.399 --> 00:13:31.879 Yeah, especially in the in the very beginning you have 247 00:13:32.039 --> 00:13:33.600 there's a moment where you can just like kind of 248 00:13:33.679 --> 00:13:36.200 chill and check in with uh, sort of the characters 249 00:13:36.200 --> 00:13:39.240 from chapter one, and I think that's when all the 250 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:40.759 pieces start to fall back into place. 251 00:13:40.799 --> 00:13:41.000 For me. 252 00:13:41.039 --> 00:13:43.279 I'm like, okay, cool, I'm kind of up to speed 253 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:45.360 all right now let's let's let's go ahead and do this. 254 00:13:45.440 --> 00:13:47.559 But yeah, to your point in Jean Luke, where there's 255 00:13:47.600 --> 00:13:50.720 a lot of character development that's that also speaks to 256 00:13:50.759 --> 00:13:54.360 how like the how broad the vision is for Delta Rune, 257 00:13:55.240 --> 00:13:57.720 Like they're setting up a lot of pieces like that 258 00:13:57.720 --> 00:14:01.960 that you wouldn't do in a standalone six five six 259 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:05.120 hour game. So these things that you're playing now in 260 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:08.039 chapter two are going to pay off, and I see 261 00:14:08.039 --> 00:14:12.919 it paying off in the further chapters. And also there's 262 00:14:13.320 --> 00:14:15.840 there's a lot of mysteries going on. There's a like 263 00:14:16.279 --> 00:14:18.879 Undertail and Delta love to do this where they like 264 00:14:19.039 --> 00:14:21.320 drop something like what you think might be like a 265 00:14:21.360 --> 00:14:25.000 throwaway line or a throwaway dialogue box or something tucked 266 00:14:25.039 --> 00:14:27.440 away in a corner. Yeah, but has like huge like 267 00:14:27.639 --> 00:14:30.679 implications for the lore and like the truth of what 268 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:34.440 actually is happening, Because if you play Undertail, you go 269 00:14:34.480 --> 00:14:36.720 into this like, Yo, what the fuck is what is this? 270 00:14:36.799 --> 00:14:39.519 It's kind of unsettling in a really weird way because 271 00:14:39.519 --> 00:14:41.480 it's a shuffling of something that you already know, Like 272 00:14:41.639 --> 00:14:42.440 is this connected? 273 00:14:42.799 --> 00:14:43.759 How is it connected? 274 00:14:44.879 --> 00:14:49.039 There are obviously clear references to things that happen in Undertail, 275 00:14:49.120 --> 00:14:53.720 with this, it's like, I I don't know, it's especially 276 00:14:53.759 --> 00:14:57.600 with the nature of who Raws is. There's a lot 277 00:14:57.600 --> 00:15:03.879 of subtle hints about my god, this is yeah. To 278 00:15:03.879 --> 00:15:07.200 get it to say any more would be yeah, but 279 00:15:07.960 --> 00:15:10.840 I'll just say this like god damn y'all. 280 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:14.480 Yeah, this is this is Yeah, something's really good. And 281 00:15:14.600 --> 00:15:17.840 also I think it's so funny. It's so fun dude, 282 00:15:17.879 --> 00:15:22.200 the new villain Funny is she's so good. She's maybe 283 00:15:22.200 --> 00:15:25.200 the funniest character. Toby Fox's friend and she's so funny. 284 00:15:25.440 --> 00:15:27.799 Same with same with Birdley. Birdley is. 285 00:15:28.159 --> 00:15:31.000 They have a good dynamic. You love to hate him, 286 00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:32.000 you love to hate him. 287 00:15:32.000 --> 00:15:36.080 Oh he's his resident Himbo of of the Deltoe Delta 288 00:15:36.480 --> 00:15:38.919 mad mad, like just fucking. 289 00:15:40.480 --> 00:15:46.200 Just yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Like but like he sucks, 290 00:15:46.519 --> 00:15:49.159 like yeah, but like in a good way, in a 291 00:15:49.159 --> 00:15:50.919 good way. I mean, like you love him, but you're 292 00:15:50.919 --> 00:15:52.279 also like, no, this guy sucks. 293 00:15:52.440 --> 00:15:55.039 This guy's a douchebag. Like Pas is like a lovable idiot. 294 00:15:55.159 --> 00:15:59.039 Birdley is just like an idiot idiot exactly. Yes, by 295 00:15:59.080 --> 00:16:02.080 that Queen is such a good villain. She's so funny 296 00:16:02.159 --> 00:16:04.559 and like the whole the whole concept of the quote, 297 00:16:04.600 --> 00:16:07.799 cyber World is early Internet days, so it's a lot 298 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:11.120 of jokes and gags based on early Internet stuff, and 299 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:13.440 that stuff plays into the combat system and the enemies 300 00:16:13.440 --> 00:16:16.559 that you fight against. So like the whole nature of 301 00:16:16.879 --> 00:16:19.200 showing mercy and sparing your enemies. A lot of the 302 00:16:19.240 --> 00:16:21.480 actions that you do are jokes. 303 00:16:21.120 --> 00:16:22.159 With the in and of themselves. 304 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:24.279 Like you'll have an enemy called pop up, and then 305 00:16:24.279 --> 00:16:29.120 you'll have two actions, either click or block, and if 306 00:16:29.120 --> 00:16:31.840 you hit click and it's like, hey, ten more enemies 307 00:16:31.840 --> 00:16:34.200 popped up because they're pop ups, and if you click them, 308 00:16:34.279 --> 00:16:37.120 they'll pop up like oh shit. And then you hit 309 00:16:37.159 --> 00:16:39.159 block and it's like, okay, you have to like hit 310 00:16:39.240 --> 00:16:41.600 triangle a bunch of times to block all the pop 311 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:42.360 ups that are coming up. 312 00:16:42.440 --> 00:16:45.039 Hurry, hurry, hurry. Okay, cool, you've clicked out of all 313 00:16:45.039 --> 00:16:45.240 of it. 314 00:16:45.240 --> 00:16:48.519 It's there's so many good gags and it doesn't it 315 00:16:48.559 --> 00:16:51.039 never feels like it's trying too hard or trying to 316 00:16:51.039 --> 00:16:53.879 be too MEMI. It's very much like if you understand, 317 00:16:54.000 --> 00:16:57.840 if you if you vibe with undertails humor, It's it's 318 00:16:57.919 --> 00:17:00.519 that all over again, but in a different from a 319 00:17:00.519 --> 00:17:03.279 different perspective. It's really really good, it's really well done. 320 00:17:03.360 --> 00:17:06.160 Just yeah, it feels natural, like yes, nothing, but yeah, 321 00:17:06.200 --> 00:17:08.240 it's just it's just Toby Fox, dude, nothing, No one 322 00:17:08.319 --> 00:17:09.839 hits like Toby Fox. 323 00:17:09.920 --> 00:17:13.559 Yeah, I do have like one more question. I'm sorry 324 00:17:13.599 --> 00:17:17.880 I'm asking so many, like because this is one of 325 00:17:17.920 --> 00:17:23.759 those things I really struggle with, uh, most episodic games, 326 00:17:23.799 --> 00:17:26.160 like like don't tell Nobody, but I have not played 327 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:29.000 Life is Strange too, not because it didn't look interesting, 328 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:30.599 but just because I'm like, I do not want to 329 00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:33.599 play an episode one of something and then have to 330 00:17:33.640 --> 00:17:35.920 wait months on end to play episode two, and then 331 00:17:35.960 --> 00:17:40.759 wait again to play episode three. But I really liked 332 00:17:40.839 --> 00:17:46.440 Delta Rune chapter one just because even though it was 333 00:17:46.440 --> 00:17:48.759 clearly like the first chapter of something, it also felt 334 00:17:49.079 --> 00:17:52.839 very complete, like it was almost like this is almost 335 00:17:53.039 --> 00:17:55.079 just like a game in and of itself, like clearly 336 00:17:55.160 --> 00:17:57.559 there's more story here, but also you could just kind 337 00:17:57.559 --> 00:18:00.319 of play chapter one and be like, okay, cool, that 338 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:03.920 was nice. I can kind of be done ish with 339 00:18:04.279 --> 00:18:05.559 Delta Rune here if. 340 00:18:05.400 --> 00:18:06.160 I wanted to be. 341 00:18:07.400 --> 00:18:13.240 Is chapter two like fairly self contained? Where like it 342 00:18:13.359 --> 00:18:15.440 ends on a note where I'm like I am satisfied 343 00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:17.119 with what I played or does it end like in 344 00:18:17.160 --> 00:18:18.920 a way where it's like, ah, God, damn it, now 345 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:19.640 I have to wait. 346 00:18:19.680 --> 00:18:23.599 I mean definitely, I would say the ladder. Yeah, probably 347 00:18:23.599 --> 00:18:24.039 the ladder. 348 00:18:24.279 --> 00:18:29.400 The overarching like narrative like in in the Cyber World 349 00:18:29.519 --> 00:18:32.440 is resolved. But I mean, yeah, that it that it 350 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:34.200 pulls a Delta roun It ends on like a big 351 00:18:34.279 --> 00:18:35.119 old thing and you're. 352 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:36.720 Like, aha, I don't know. 353 00:18:36.720 --> 00:18:38.240 I kind of compared it to like a like a 354 00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:41.599 like a book series where it's like, Okay, you're gonna 355 00:18:41.599 --> 00:18:44.880 get like here's the next book in the Delta Roune saga, 356 00:18:44.920 --> 00:18:46.720 and we're gonna it's gonna have a good story. But 357 00:18:46.720 --> 00:18:48.240 then you know they're gonna leave you with some shit 358 00:18:48.279 --> 00:18:49.759 at the end because they want you to buy book 359 00:18:49.799 --> 00:18:53.559 three and you know, so, I don't know. It's also 360 00:18:53.640 --> 00:18:55.680 way longer than chapter one. It's like it took me 361 00:18:55.720 --> 00:18:58.480 like seven hours to beat oh, like chapter one took 362 00:18:58.519 --> 00:19:03.759 me like three. So it's it's it's a media it's 363 00:19:03.799 --> 00:19:04.839 a media amount of things. 364 00:19:05.160 --> 00:19:07.440 They'd be playing chapter two to discuss it for a 365 00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:09.960 Game of the Year conversations, or should I be waiting 366 00:19:10.039 --> 00:19:13.079 until Delta Rune chapter seven comes out to talk about 367 00:19:13.079 --> 00:19:14.000 Delta Rune as. 368 00:19:13.839 --> 00:19:17.480 A That's a good question because I guess the question 369 00:19:17.640 --> 00:19:21.359 is like Undertail had a moment where it hit. It 370 00:19:21.400 --> 00:19:24.319 was a media strike, right, like it was massive it 371 00:19:24.680 --> 00:19:28.039 Everyone kind of gathered around it in this one moment 372 00:19:28.079 --> 00:19:30.160 and played it in its totality and it became a 373 00:19:30.160 --> 00:19:33.359 cultural moment and for a lot of us, like going 374 00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:35.599 into the altar room when looking for more of that, 375 00:19:35.680 --> 00:19:38.640 we crave that right we want to have in many ways, 376 00:19:38.720 --> 00:19:42.200 as as sad as it might be sound like we 377 00:19:42.279 --> 00:19:46.240 want to have ourselves defined by another game like Undertail, right, 378 00:19:46.279 --> 00:19:48.319 because a lot of us are who we are because 379 00:19:48.319 --> 00:19:51.279 of Undertail. A lot of people would say that, do 380 00:19:51.359 --> 00:19:54.519 you think this episodic structure and the time it takes 381 00:19:54.559 --> 00:19:58.559 between them precludes it from having that kind of impact? 382 00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:01.920 I would say so. 383 00:20:01.960 --> 00:20:05.519 We also discussed this on ninety nine potions. You know 384 00:20:05.519 --> 00:20:08.319 what I'm saying, Uh No, I think, I think. 385 00:20:08.799 --> 00:20:09.079 I think. 386 00:20:09.359 --> 00:20:11.759 I think Chapter two is like I would put it 387 00:20:11.799 --> 00:20:14.240 on my personal Game of the Year list straight off, 388 00:20:14.559 --> 00:20:17.160 but I don't think like if if there's not enough 389 00:20:17.599 --> 00:20:19.640 rallying behind it, I don't think I'm gonna I would 390 00:20:19.720 --> 00:20:23.799 fight for it because if if someone comes comes out 391 00:20:23.799 --> 00:20:25.799 with the argument that's like, this is a segmented thing 392 00:20:25.839 --> 00:20:28.160 that doesn't tell like it does tell a complete story, 393 00:20:28.200 --> 00:20:33.759 but it's the broader implication is outside of chapter two itself, 394 00:20:33.880 --> 00:20:37.000 So it is hard to kind of argue for it 395 00:20:37.039 --> 00:20:39.640 as like game of the year status or like in 396 00:20:39.680 --> 00:20:43.119 that conversation, I would argue for it, but I also wouldn't, 397 00:20:43.200 --> 00:20:47.559 like I wouldn't try convincing someone otherwise because it is 398 00:20:47.759 --> 00:20:52.359 it's such a unique and different kind of thing that yeah, 399 00:20:52.440 --> 00:20:55.119 it's it's a I don't know when it comes game 400 00:20:55.160 --> 00:20:57.160 of the year time, and like I'll be like, hey, 401 00:20:57.680 --> 00:20:59.599