WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.520 This is Dan Caplis and welcome to today's online podcast 2 00:00:03.640 --> 00:00:05.719 edition of The Dan Caplis Show. Please be sure to 3 00:00:05.759 --> 00:00:08.240 give us a five star rating if you'd be so kind, 4 00:00:08.320 --> 00:00:11.599 and to subscribe, download and listen to the show every 5 00:00:11.679 --> 00:00:15.080 single day on your favorite podcast platform. 6 00:00:16.000 --> 00:00:18.399 Yes, beautiful day to fight. This has to be one 7 00:00:18.399 --> 00:00:19.640 of the nicest days in the. 8 00:00:19.800 --> 00:00:24.120 History of the great state of Colorado. Absolutely picture perfect. 9 00:00:24.160 --> 00:00:25.559 So hope you're enjoying it. 10 00:00:25.600 --> 00:00:28.239 I hope you're able to enjoy the great weekend ahead, 11 00:00:29.039 --> 00:00:31.359 and Lord knows, we have plenty to talk about, always 12 00:00:31.359 --> 00:00:34.560 grateful for that. We expect to be joined by David Copple, 13 00:00:34.600 --> 00:00:40.079 truly iconic gun expert, firearms expert, firearms law expert, and 14 00:00:40.119 --> 00:00:42.679 we look forward to David coppel with us on the 15 00:00:42.679 --> 00:00:46.600 show to talk about Senate Bill three. As you probably 16 00:00:46.759 --> 00:00:49.600 don't know because there just seems to be no public 17 00:00:49.880 --> 00:00:53.600 interest or appetite for this. But Senator Michael Bennett now 18 00:00:53.679 --> 00:00:56.880 officially in the race for governor in Colorado and you know, 19 00:00:56.960 --> 00:01:00.280 racking up all these different endorsements, etc. I want to 20 00:01:00.320 --> 00:01:02.799 talk with you about that. I know you probably don't 21 00:01:02.799 --> 00:01:04.760 want to talk about it, and we work for you here, 22 00:01:04.799 --> 00:01:06.680 so It may be a short conversation, but I at 23 00:01:06.719 --> 00:01:10.120 least have to try, because it does look at this 24 00:01:10.200 --> 00:01:13.799 point as if he's likely to be the Democrat nominee, 25 00:01:14.439 --> 00:01:16.599 and so which means that he would have a good 26 00:01:16.719 --> 00:01:19.000 chance to become the next governor. So we should at 27 00:01:19.079 --> 00:01:21.439 least have the conversation. Now, count me among those who 28 00:01:21.480 --> 00:01:25.439 think that the right GOP nominee definitely has a path 29 00:01:25.439 --> 00:01:28.079 to victory here, and we'll continue to talk about that, 30 00:01:28.120 --> 00:01:30.400 and if you disagree, we'll take your call or your 31 00:01:30.439 --> 00:01:32.840 text first. But I think there is a path here, 32 00:01:33.159 --> 00:01:34.840 not an easy one. But it wouldn't be any fun 33 00:01:34.879 --> 00:01:37.640 if it was easy, right, It's not meant to be easy. 34 00:01:37.879 --> 00:01:42.599 What among the greatest accomplishments in human history has been easy? 35 00:01:43.079 --> 00:01:43.359 Right? 36 00:01:43.519 --> 00:01:43.560 No? 37 00:01:44.159 --> 00:01:46.280 Three or three someone three A two five five text 38 00:01:46.400 --> 00:01:49.680 d an five seven seven three nine. Lots more on 39 00:01:49.719 --> 00:01:53.920 the agenda this afternoon as well, And you know, we 40 00:01:54.000 --> 00:01:55.840 need to spend at least a little bit of time 41 00:01:55.879 --> 00:01:59.760 on this guilty plea in the Justice Kevanaugh case. Remember 42 00:02:00.439 --> 00:02:06.599 when you had this killer who traveled to Justice Kavanaugh's 43 00:02:06.599 --> 00:02:09.439 home and he was going to kill Justice Kevanaugh. Go 44 00:02:09.599 --> 00:02:12.159 right into his home that night, killed Justice Kavanaugh with 45 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:16.560 his family there in order to prevent the Dobbs decision 46 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:21.599 from being formalized. And so that deserves a little bit 47 00:02:21.599 --> 00:02:24.800 more attention, right particularly when you've had Chuck Schumer, leader 48 00:02:24.840 --> 00:02:28.439 of the Democratic Party, out there openly by name calling 49 00:02:28.479 --> 00:02:32.560 for violence against Kavanaugh. I still don't understand why Schumer 50 00:02:32.599 --> 00:02:36.039 has not been criminally charged over that. So we'll touch 51 00:02:36.039 --> 00:02:39.800 on that, We'll update that as well. Jeff cost Schools, 52 00:02:39.919 --> 00:02:42.840 Jeff Co Schools getting more and more attention. Boy Lindsay 53 00:02:42.919 --> 00:02:46.039 Datko and that whole group out there, you know, just 54 00:02:46.120 --> 00:02:48.400 do a phenomenal job, some of the best we've ever 55 00:02:48.439 --> 00:02:51.520 seen when it comes to grassroots activism. A real privilege 56 00:02:51.560 --> 00:02:53.879 now to go to the VIP line and welcome David 57 00:02:53.960 --> 00:02:55.319 Koppel to the Dan Kapli Show. 58 00:02:55.319 --> 00:02:56.159 If you're new to the area. 59 00:02:56.240 --> 00:03:00.360 David is truly a Colorado icon, known for his work 60 00:03:00.360 --> 00:03:03.400 in so many different ways, but the Independence Institute, where 61 00:03:03.439 --> 00:03:07.919 he's research director and junk Scholar at the Cato Institute 62 00:03:08.319 --> 00:03:13.479 and University of Yoming now Senior Fellow, College of Law 63 00:03:13.560 --> 00:03:17.039 Firearms Research Center. David, Welcome back to the Dan Kapli Show. 64 00:03:18.159 --> 00:03:20.120 It's great to be back with one of the best 65 00:03:20.199 --> 00:03:22.879 long running radio hosts in the Rocky Mountains. 66 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:25.080 Well, thank you for saying that, my friend, I tend 67 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:27.240 to look at myself as a survivor but grateful to 68 00:03:27.280 --> 00:03:31.520 be here. And Wow, the very first name that popped 69 00:03:31.520 --> 00:03:33.800 into my mind when we heard that police had signed 70 00:03:33.800 --> 00:03:36.800 Senate Bill three, obviously is you, because I've never known 71 00:03:37.039 --> 00:03:41.479 anybody with a more commanding grasp of all things related 72 00:03:41.520 --> 00:03:46.400 to firearms, starting with firearms law and jurisprudence. So, David, 73 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:49.199 if you could just start by giving folks your take 74 00:03:49.240 --> 00:03:50.159 on Senate Bill three. 75 00:03:52.039 --> 00:03:55.599 Well, it started off as a bill to ban the 76 00:03:55.639 --> 00:04:01.000 future sale and transfer of all summer atomadic hand guns 77 00:04:01.439 --> 00:04:05.000 and all semi automatic rifles and shotguns that take make 78 00:04:05.120 --> 00:04:09.960 that use detachable magazines, which is the predominant type of 79 00:04:10.120 --> 00:04:16.720 modern rifle, and it exempts twenty two caliber the time 80 00:04:17.120 --> 00:04:21.879 calder for plank into ten cans. It got then modified 81 00:04:22.519 --> 00:04:28.000 into a very onerous licensing law which will require it 82 00:04:28.079 --> 00:04:31.839 requires three different steps where you have to pay a fee. 83 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:35.240 There is no cap on the fee, and at every 84 00:04:35.319 --> 00:04:40.040 step none of the government actors involved have any deadlines 85 00:04:40.439 --> 00:04:43.759 by which they're supposed to say, process and application and 86 00:04:44.240 --> 00:04:47.759 approve you or deny you. It will make the cost 87 00:04:47.920 --> 00:04:52.759 of purchasing these guns. Well, the Polish administration today said 88 00:04:52.759 --> 00:04:56.879 that one step of there's one particular step, which is 89 00:04:56.920 --> 00:05:00.959 some training by the Colorado Department of Wildlife. And they 90 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:04.800 say that's and plus we're having to register and pay 91 00:05:04.839 --> 00:05:07.480 fees to the Department of Wildlife so you can put 92 00:05:07.519 --> 00:05:10.920 on a registry as a gun owner. And they said 93 00:05:10.920 --> 00:05:12.519 they're going to try to keep the cost of that 94 00:05:12.920 --> 00:05:16.560 to two hundred dollars, but that's just part of the thing. 95 00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:21.279 So it's going to be fees probably equal to the 96 00:05:21.319 --> 00:05:27.800 cost of a medium quality, normal handgun find you buy 97 00:05:27.839 --> 00:05:31.879 from Taurus or Smith and Western or Ruger Glock, all 98 00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:32.639 that kind of thing. 99 00:05:33.199 --> 00:05:35.879 Oh my lord, So they're trying to create this financial barrier. 100 00:05:35.920 --> 00:05:39.279 I thought they cared about poor people, but wow. 101 00:05:39.000 --> 00:05:42.160 Well they care about so much about They care so 102 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:43.000 much about. 103 00:05:42.759 --> 00:05:45.319 Poor people that they believe they. 104 00:05:45.240 --> 00:05:48.199 Can make better decisions for poor people than poor people 105 00:05:48.240 --> 00:05:52.639 can themselves. And gun ownership being something that is seen 106 00:05:52.639 --> 00:05:59.120 as intrinsically evil by lead sponsor Tom Sullivan and quite 107 00:05:59.120 --> 00:06:02.560 a lot of Democrats in the current legislature, they're helping 108 00:06:02.600 --> 00:06:05.079 poor people by preventing them from being able to acquire 109 00:06:05.800 --> 00:06:06.759 modern firearms. 110 00:06:06.920 --> 00:06:10.600 Wow, David Kopler, guests from the Independence Institute. Now I 111 00:06:10.600 --> 00:06:12.879 think you're the best person in the country other than 112 00:06:13.199 --> 00:06:16.680 maybe at this point, Justice Roberts answer the question as 113 00:06:16.680 --> 00:06:19.000 to whether this is going to be upheld. Is this 114 00:06:19.079 --> 00:06:21.560 going to withstand constitutional challenge? 115 00:06:23.319 --> 00:06:27.959 Well, it's an extreme bill in some ways because despite 116 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:32.199 the lies the sponsors told, they wrote it. So that 117 00:06:32.319 --> 00:06:37.399 includes every model of modern semi automatic handgun. Well, I mean, 118 00:06:37.480 --> 00:06:40.079 and by modern, I mean everything invented since eighteen eighty five, 119 00:06:40.160 --> 00:06:44.319 when when the first one was invented, with the exception 120 00:06:44.360 --> 00:06:49.079 of one particular model made by Barretta. Other than that, 121 00:06:49.480 --> 00:06:54.399 it's all. It's every modern semi automatic handgun, not revolvers, 122 00:06:54.399 --> 00:06:59.600 which are maybe about a one sixth of new handguns. So, 123 00:06:59.680 --> 00:07:04.920 on the one hand, you can say it's unconstitutional under 124 00:07:04.959 --> 00:07:07.759 the standard the Supreme Court set in the case of 125 00:07:07.759 --> 00:07:12.319 New York State Rifle and Pistol Association versus Bruin, where 126 00:07:12.439 --> 00:07:15.040 the Court said, we interpreted the Second Amendment based on 127 00:07:15.079 --> 00:07:19.160 its original meaning and text, but that that original meaning 128 00:07:19.560 --> 00:07:23.639 can be shown not only by things before seventeen ninety one, 129 00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:28.319 when the Second Amental was adopted, but also things close 130 00:07:28.360 --> 00:07:31.800 to the ratification period, and the further you get away 131 00:07:31.800 --> 00:07:36.639 from the ratification period, the less valuable any historical evidence is. 132 00:07:37.120 --> 00:07:40.079 And set the Court in Bruin and after nineteen hundred, 133 00:07:40.120 --> 00:07:43.279 it's completely pointless. You're not going to get any information 134 00:07:43.319 --> 00:07:46.079 about original meaning from a law that was passed in 135 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:52.399 nineteen forty eight. So there's nothing remotely comparable to this 136 00:07:54.879 --> 00:08:00.360 anywhere in American jurisprudence before nineteen hundred, with the option 137 00:08:00.839 --> 00:08:04.160 of laws in some of the slave states that said 138 00:08:04.199 --> 00:08:07.720 free people of color can only have a firearm if 139 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:12.120 they get a special license other than that. So, on 140 00:08:12.160 --> 00:08:15.360 the one hand, I just gave you the argument against 141 00:08:15.399 --> 00:08:19.360 the law being constitutional. The argument on the other side 142 00:08:19.560 --> 00:08:25.600 is even acknowledging what I just said. The Supreme Court 143 00:08:25.680 --> 00:08:29.560 in footnote nine of the Bruin case said, we don't 144 00:08:29.600 --> 00:08:34.519 mean to cast any doubt on laws. Shall issue laws 145 00:08:34.559 --> 00:08:38.440 for concealed handgun permits and shall issue laws like the 146 00:08:38.480 --> 00:08:42.559 ones one Colorado adopted in two thousand and one, is 147 00:08:42.600 --> 00:08:46.440 that you have to go through a certain process to 148 00:08:48.039 --> 00:08:51.120 But it's a pretty fair process to get a permit 149 00:08:51.159 --> 00:08:54.840 to carry a concealed handgun. You know, you would have 150 00:08:54.879 --> 00:08:57.159 to fill out a form. In some states you'd have 151 00:08:57.200 --> 00:09:00.519 to including Colorado, you'd have to be fingerprinted, you'd have 152 00:09:00.559 --> 00:09:03.759 to provide proof of safety training, and then you pay 153 00:09:03.759 --> 00:09:06.200 a fee. And all that in Colorado has done in 154 00:09:06.559 --> 00:09:11.480 a generally reasonable way. And the sheriffs who issue the 155 00:09:11.480 --> 00:09:15.120 permits have to make a decision yes or no within 156 00:09:15.159 --> 00:09:18.159 a certain period of time. And so they would be 157 00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:23.080 defenders of this law of Colorado. Attarney General Phil Wiser will. 158 00:09:22.840 --> 00:09:27.200 Say, oh, this is just a licensing law, like. 159 00:09:28.240 --> 00:09:34.159 The court approved in Bruin in footnote nine. The answer 160 00:09:34.240 --> 00:09:36.879 back to that is, well, they approved to that of 161 00:09:36.960 --> 00:09:41.120 licensing for carrying a handgun in a public place. That's 162 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:45.519 different from just having something in your own home. And secondly, 163 00:09:45.559 --> 00:09:49.480 what the court approved of was shall issue laws, which is, 164 00:09:50.039 --> 00:09:52.960 you know, you apply for a permit, a field carry permit, 165 00:09:53.320 --> 00:09:57.320 and the issuing authority has to make a decision within 166 00:09:57.799 --> 00:10:00.399 ninety or one hundred and twenty days six day and 167 00:10:00.519 --> 00:10:03.600 it varies from state to state. And this one has 168 00:10:03.639 --> 00:10:07.120 no deadlines on when permits are supposed to be issued. 169 00:10:07.480 --> 00:10:10.480 And likewise, the court said, you can't have exorbited fees, 170 00:10:10.840 --> 00:10:15.519 and we have no fee caps at all in this legislation. 171 00:10:16.240 --> 00:10:18.759 And then the answer back to that is, well, you know, 172 00:10:18.799 --> 00:10:23.559 Maryland has this pretty rigorous system to buy a handgun 173 00:10:23.559 --> 00:10:25.879 in the first place, with a five day waiting period 174 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:28.480 and a background check and all this stuff, and then 175 00:10:28.519 --> 00:10:32.919 they layered a handgun qualification license on top of that. 176 00:10:33.399 --> 00:10:36.679 A federal district court said that's unconstitutional. You know, nothing 177 00:10:36.759 --> 00:10:41.919 like it in the American history that matters. But the 178 00:10:41.960 --> 00:10:46.120 Fourth Circuit upheld that, and so the Attorney General Wiser 179 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:50.720 will rely heavily on the Fourth Circuit opinion for saying, 180 00:10:50.759 --> 00:10:54.000 you can have pretty harsh licensing systems that you know, 181 00:10:54.080 --> 00:10:56.759 may take a month or more to go through just 182 00:10:56.799 --> 00:10:58.159 to have a handgun in your home. 183 00:10:58.679 --> 00:11:01.519 Wow, our special guests. 184 00:11:01.559 --> 00:11:06.279 But even there, the Maryland thing is distinguishable because it 185 00:11:06.320 --> 00:11:12.360 does have mandatory time periods in it, for example, and 186 00:11:12.799 --> 00:11:15.559 caps on the fees. And then the response to that 187 00:11:15.759 --> 00:11:19.080 is the journey General Wiser would say, well, you know, look, 188 00:11:19.240 --> 00:11:22.360 if we start charging exorbitant fees, we agree that's un 189 00:11:22.399 --> 00:11:25.320 constitutional Underheller, but we haven't even set the fees yet, 190 00:11:25.360 --> 00:11:28.480 so how can you say we're exorbited? And likewise, you know, 191 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:30.639 if it took six months to get a permit that 192 00:11:30.679 --> 00:11:34.240 would be unreasonable. But we haven't even started issuing permits 193 00:11:34.320 --> 00:11:37.120 lone and going to effect until August twenty twenty six. 194 00:11:37.559 --> 00:11:39.440 So you can't really sue us to say we're doing 195 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:42.159 a bad job until we actually start doing a bad job. 196 00:11:42.279 --> 00:11:45.120 Okay, And so that was going to be my next question. 197 00:11:45.279 --> 00:11:48.000 Given how they've set this up, does that mean that 198 00:11:48.080 --> 00:11:56.039 it cannot be constitutionally challenged until they've answered these other questions? 199 00:11:56.080 --> 00:12:02.519 Maybe? Or that gets into the real complies the plaintiffs 200 00:12:02.559 --> 00:12:04.080 lawyers in this case are going to have to deal 201 00:12:04.120 --> 00:12:07.000 with it. Yeah, Sometimes you can have reinforcement challenges to 202 00:12:07.080 --> 00:12:11.879 laws before their effective date, but that's that's often more 203 00:12:12.639 --> 00:12:17.039 at the least, it's more difficult. Well, David, And at 204 00:12:17.120 --> 00:12:19.519 the least you if you if you say there's actually 205 00:12:19.559 --> 00:12:22.039 problems and how the law is being administered, you have 206 00:12:22.080 --> 00:12:23.480 to wait till you can show how the law is 207 00:12:23.519 --> 00:12:24.639 actually being administered. 208 00:12:24.919 --> 00:12:28.440 Usually, Well, David, what I would love to do, and 209 00:12:28.480 --> 00:12:30.360 I know you're the busiest guy in town, but I 210 00:12:30.360 --> 00:12:32.480 would love to get you in here sometime for an 211 00:12:32.519 --> 00:12:35.519 hour and just let everybody pick your brain on all 212 00:12:35.559 --> 00:12:40.039 things firearms and firearms law, because truly there's no better authority, 213 00:12:40.080 --> 00:12:41.960 but very grateful for your time today. 214 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:44.960 That sounds fun and I'd be happy to do it, 215 00:12:45.039 --> 00:12:47.720 you know, maybe in May or whatever, if it's your schedule. 216 00:12:47.879 --> 00:12:52.039 That sounds great. Thank you, my friend. Have a great weekend. Okay, thanks, 217 00:12:52.399 --> 00:12:52.879 I take care. 218 00:12:52.960 --> 00:12:57.840 That is truly just a one of the icons in Colorado. 219 00:12:57.960 --> 00:13:00.639 David koppel If you're new to the area, everything that 220 00:13:00.679 --> 00:13:04.080 he's written, because I've never been and met anybody who 221 00:13:04.240 --> 00:13:07.159 understands it better. You know, when you talk about somebody 222 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:10.639 who understands every piece of it, including the legal piece 223 00:13:11.679 --> 00:13:15.480 and all of the Supreme Court precedent, etc. He's a remarkable, 224 00:13:15.559 --> 00:13:19.120 remarkable resource. So check them out at the Independence Institute. 225 00:13:19.159 --> 00:13:21.200 David Kopple, you're on the Dankapla. 226 00:13:20.759 --> 00:13:30.200 Show and now back to the dan Kaplas Show podcast. 227 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:35.480 The Center from Texas shut this government down in twenty thirteen. 228 00:13:36.360 --> 00:13:43.759 My stay was flooded, it was underwater. People were killed, 229 00:13:45.000 --> 00:13:51.000 people's houses were destroyed, their small businesses were ruined forever. 230 00:13:53.879 --> 00:13:59.200 And because of the Senator from Texas, this government was shut. 231 00:13:58.960 --> 00:14:01.279 Down for politics. 232 00:14:02.559 --> 00:14:06.320 Then he's served to a second place finish. 233 00:14:06.000 --> 00:14:09.759 In the Iowa Caucuses. But we're of no help. 234 00:14:13.159 --> 00:14:16.720 To the first responders, to the teachers, to the students 235 00:14:16.720 --> 00:14:17.799 whose schools. 236 00:14:17.440 --> 00:14:18.639 Were closed. 237 00:14:20.559 --> 00:14:25.039 With the federal government there was shut down because of 238 00:14:25.360 --> 00:14:30.080 the junior senator from Texas. Now it's his business, not 239 00:14:30.279 --> 00:14:34.679 my business, why he supports the president who wants to 240 00:14:34.759 --> 00:14:39.240 erect a medieval barrier on the border of Texas. 241 00:14:41.720 --> 00:14:47.000 That's perfect, that, that is perfect. Yeah, yeah, wow. 242 00:14:47.519 --> 00:14:50.919 Michael Bennett now in the governor's race in Colorado. This 243 00:14:51.080 --> 00:14:54.039 is going to be fascinating to watch because Phil Wiser 244 00:14:54.120 --> 00:14:56.879 is in the primary also, but for how long? 245 00:14:57.279 --> 00:14:58.799 Right? For how long? 246 00:14:59.120 --> 00:15:01.840 And as someone who wants the GEOP nominee to win, 247 00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:03.200 whoever she or. 248 00:15:03.159 --> 00:15:05.639 He may be, what do you want more? 249 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:07.559 Do you want Wiser to stay in the race or 250 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:10.279 get out of the race, because you know, if Wiser 251 00:15:10.519 --> 00:15:13.360 stays in the race, the more beat up Bennett's going 252 00:15:13.399 --> 00:15:17.000 to get because they both have to be I mean, they're, 253 00:15:17.080 --> 00:15:19.759 you know, accomplished in their own individual lives, right, but 254 00:15:19.799 --> 00:15:22.240 when it comes to serving the public, they both have 255 00:15:22.320 --> 00:15:25.519 to be among the least accomplished people ever for the 256 00:15:25.639 --> 00:15:29.320 jobs that they've held. And so do you want them 257 00:15:29.360 --> 00:15:31.679 just kind of beating each other up until they face 258 00:15:31.759 --> 00:15:35.240 the GOP nominee, or do you want it appears to 259 00:15:35.279 --> 00:15:37.799 be a plan right now to run Wiser out of 260 00:15:37.840 --> 00:15:41.000 the race because Joe No Goose was there today endorsing Bennett. 261 00:15:41.480 --> 00:15:43.879 Jason Crow as well, but that's irrelevant. I mean, Joe 262 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:46.519 No Goose was his big competition. I kind of like 263 00:15:46.639 --> 00:15:50.639 Ryan's theory that there's you know, I'm not going to 264 00:15:51.080 --> 00:15:53.320 allege that they're breaking the law because you can't sell 265 00:15:53.720 --> 00:15:55.320 or trade a Senate seat, But. 266 00:15:56.960 --> 00:15:58.720 Is there some hope out there. 267 00:15:58.679 --> 00:16:01.159 On the part of no Goose backing Bennett. Now, if 268 00:16:01.159 --> 00:16:03.879 Bennett wins, he gets appointed to Bennett's Senate seat. 269 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:07.440 I'm sure there probably is right that hope. 270 00:16:07.759 --> 00:16:10.159 But anyway, or do you want to see Bennett be 271 00:16:10.240 --> 00:16:12.679 able to run Wiser out of the race and then 272 00:16:12.840 --> 00:16:16.720 just go unopposed until he has to face the Republican 273 00:16:16.840 --> 00:16:20.120 Because again, you got two things with Michael Bennett, right, 274 00:16:20.720 --> 00:16:27.039 just a stunning, striking, almost unimaginable lack of accomplishment for 275 00:16:27.519 --> 00:16:28.600 anybody serving that. 276 00:16:28.559 --> 00:16:29.720 Long as a US Senator. 277 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:33.480 But then on top of that, and this is kind 278 00:16:33.480 --> 00:16:37.360 of the Polish syndrome, the Hickenlooper syndrome, the every elected 279 00:16:37.399 --> 00:16:39.720 to major office Democrats syndrome in Colorado. 280 00:16:39.720 --> 00:16:41.879 They live in this bubble where. 281 00:16:41.759 --> 00:16:44.519 That they never have to be asked hard questions, certainly 282 00:16:44.559 --> 00:16:47.799 not ask hard follow up questions. People lose their access 283 00:16:47.799 --> 00:16:51.039 to them as reporters if they're willing to ask them 284 00:16:51.120 --> 00:16:51.960 hard questions. 285 00:16:52.360 --> 00:16:55.320 So if they ever had the ability, the skill. 286 00:16:55.120 --> 00:16:58.240 The muscle to be able to handle tough questions, they've 287 00:16:58.320 --> 00:17:00.600 lost it by the time they have to run a 288 00:17:00.639 --> 00:17:04.000 tough race. And I'm not sure Michael Bennett even ever 289 00:17:04.119 --> 00:17:06.200 had that skill. But here he is today with Rob 290 00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:09.200 Dawson and Rob Dawson from the newsroom. He's a consummate journalist. 291 00:17:09.240 --> 00:17:13.839 He's no flamethrower. And Michael Bennett seems irritated. 292 00:17:13.799 --> 00:17:15.759 By your credit say they don't stand up. 293 00:17:15.799 --> 00:17:16.880 Finally, the state. 294 00:17:16.720 --> 00:17:18.799 And some people may not really know you if you. 295 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:22.920 Feel like I think that's just absolute nonsense. There isn't 296 00:17:22.960 --> 00:17:27.319 anybody who has spent more time in Colorado that I 297 00:17:27.440 --> 00:17:29.359 have as a statewide elected official. 298 00:17:30.119 --> 00:17:32.680 What is that? That this just madness. 299 00:17:33.240 --> 00:17:36.519 There's nobody in Colorado who spent more time here as a. 300 00:17:36.440 --> 00:17:39.559 Statewide elected official. See the governor. 301 00:17:39.880 --> 00:17:44.640 Maybe you know, But that's the point is Michael Bennett 302 00:17:44.720 --> 00:17:47.759 is thoroughly unaccomplished for all those years as a US senator. 303 00:17:48.079 --> 00:17:52.480 But he also has has never had to get in 304 00:17:52.519 --> 00:17:52.880 a fight. 305 00:17:53.440 --> 00:17:56.000 He's he's never had to defend his positions, He's never 306 00:17:56.079 --> 00:17:59.400 had to get into a true debate. And this is 307 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:04.799 Rob Dawson, that the nicest, most down the middle journalist 308 00:18:04.880 --> 00:18:06.960 you're ever going to find. Ask him a simple question 309 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:09.599 about criticism of him and what happens with Bennett. 310 00:18:09.599 --> 00:18:12.319 Not just the tone, which does not bode well for him, 311 00:18:13.119 --> 00:18:13.359 but he. 312 00:18:13.440 --> 00:18:17.799 Starts saying stuff that that's an obvious falsehood on a 313 00:18:17.839 --> 00:18:20.559 simple question like that, This is going to be fun, 314 00:18:20.599 --> 00:18:22.039 and I think it's going to be fun for whoever 315 00:18:22.039 --> 00:18:23.279 the GOP nominee is. 316 00:18:23.920 --> 00:18:25.200 You're on the Dan Capsla Show. 317 00:18:35.759 --> 00:18:38.200 You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast. 318 00:18:39.160 --> 00:18:40.079 This to me is. 319 00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:42.759 One of the most shocking pieces of poll data I 320 00:18:42.799 --> 00:18:45.880 truly truthfully have seen this year, maybe in any prior year. 321 00:18:46.759 --> 00:18:47.720 Yes, it's really. 322 00:18:47.480 --> 00:18:49.200 Because I want you to take a little cares more 323 00:18:49.240 --> 00:18:51.680 about the needs for people like you. You mentioned to 324 00:18:51.759 --> 00:18:54.119 Kate Paul, we got a tie even after this tariff 325 00:18:54.160 --> 00:18:57.920 war had already started, split between Democrats and Republicans on 326 00:18:57.960 --> 00:19:01.039 how people feel of which party here's more for needs. 327 00:19:00.920 --> 00:19:01.480 Of people like you? 328 00:19:01.559 --> 00:19:03.839 And why is that so surprising? Because I want you 329 00:19:03.880 --> 00:19:07.200 to take a look at prior years. Democrats always lead 330 00:19:07.279 --> 00:19:09.920 on this question. Back in twenty seventeen, before the twenty 331 00:19:09.960 --> 00:19:12.279 eighteen meate terms, thirteen point lead, two thousand and five, 332 00:19:12.319 --> 00:19:14.839 a twenty three point lead for Democrats, nineteen ninety four, 333 00:19:14.839 --> 00:19:17.279 which was a big Republican year, a nineteen point lead 334 00:19:17.319 --> 00:19:18.759 for Democrats, and now. 335 00:19:18.599 --> 00:19:19.839 All of a sudden, a tie. 336 00:19:20.319 --> 00:19:23.160 All of a sudden, the Democrats, who are the party 337 00:19:23.200 --> 00:19:25.920 of the people no more, no more, we get a 338 00:19:25.960 --> 00:19:28.559 tie on this question, on a question that has traditionally 339 00:19:28.720 --> 00:19:33.440 overwhelmingly been a Democratic advantage people for party, which party 340 00:19:33.440 --> 00:19:35.759 cares more for the needs of people like you. It's 341 00:19:35.759 --> 00:19:39.279 truly something I would not have expected to see, especially. 342 00:19:38.799 --> 00:19:40.599 After this tarafor had begun. 343 00:19:40.799 --> 00:19:43.319 See this is seismic to me. This is the single 344 00:19:43.359 --> 00:19:46.519 most important poll result you'll hear in five years. And 345 00:19:46.559 --> 00:19:49.359 this is a question you just don't hear ask that often. 346 00:19:49.720 --> 00:19:52.279 But it's at the heart of everything, right, because what 347 00:19:52.440 --> 00:19:56.240 motivates people's vote. People tend to vote their self interest, 348 00:19:56.279 --> 00:19:58.519 which means you're going to vote for Okay, who cares 349 00:19:58.559 --> 00:20:00.720 more about me. But then you look get that sea 350 00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:04.759 change right from the Democrats always win on this and 351 00:20:04.799 --> 00:20:06.680 it goes to what I've been saying forever as a 352 00:20:06.720 --> 00:20:10.440 former Democrat, what I've been saying forever. For the GOP 353 00:20:10.640 --> 00:20:14.759 to win and for the wind to matter, the GOP 354 00:20:15.119 --> 00:20:18.440 has to be the party of the working people. And 355 00:20:18.880 --> 00:20:22.720 that is what Donald Trump has done. And part of 356 00:20:22.799 --> 00:20:26.400 accomplishing that has been to expose the left for who 357 00:20:26.440 --> 00:20:29.880 they really are. Right Because again, as a former Democrat, 358 00:20:29.920 --> 00:20:32.279 I was a Democrat for years. Most of my extended 359 00:20:32.319 --> 00:20:35.960 family outside of Colorado are Democrats, and so I know 360 00:20:36.039 --> 00:20:39.000 of what I speak here. You know, people vote habitually 361 00:20:39.039 --> 00:20:41.640 for these Democrats over the years, and I know we 362 00:20:41.720 --> 00:20:43.680 get a lot of callers who just want to put 363 00:20:43.720 --> 00:20:47.759 all Democrat voters into this same old, looney tuned far 364 00:20:47.880 --> 00:20:50.079 left bucket. And if you want to live in that 365 00:20:50.200 --> 00:20:53.400 state of denial, you're welcome to. But you're going to 366 00:20:53.440 --> 00:20:57.279 miss an opportunity here, because the opportunity is to capture 367 00:20:57.680 --> 00:21:01.240 a lot of Democrats as Republican voter. And that is 368 00:21:01.279 --> 00:21:03.359 because you got so many good people out there. They 369 00:21:03.359 --> 00:21:08.279 are patriotic, they love God, they love America, and they 370 00:21:08.319 --> 00:21:10.839 get the abortions of killing of an innocent life. They've 371 00:21:10.880 --> 00:21:13.920 just been voting habitually Democrat for years and they've got 372 00:21:13.920 --> 00:21:18.640 this terrible stereotype of Republicans. And so what's happened now 373 00:21:19.079 --> 00:21:23.519 is between the appeal of Donald Trump and exposing the 374 00:21:23.599 --> 00:21:25.519 left as the lunatics they are. 375 00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:29.079 You have this big chunk of people. 376 00:21:28.759 --> 00:21:32.039 Who are starting to break away from the Democratic Party 377 00:21:32.079 --> 00:21:34.400 and see they really don't care about them. It is 378 00:21:34.559 --> 00:21:37.680 hard for the Democratic Party to convince anybody they care 379 00:21:37.720 --> 00:21:40.160 about them when they say, oh, yeah, men should be. 380 00:21:40.119 --> 00:21:43.839 In your daughter's shower. It's really hard to pull that off. 381 00:21:44.880 --> 00:21:47.880 And so this is a moment, This is a tipping 382 00:21:47.880 --> 00:21:51.279 point moment. But here's the danger, and the danger lurks, and. 383 00:21:51.240 --> 00:21:53.559 It is a big, big beast. 384 00:21:54.039 --> 00:21:59.880 Here's the danger that historically important and great victory. Then 385 00:22:00.119 --> 00:22:05.160 Trump just won. The operative word is Trump. Those were 386 00:22:05.279 --> 00:22:09.079 Trump voters who put him over the top, not Republican voters. 387 00:22:09.720 --> 00:22:15.839 And this is not transferable automatically. Maybe Republican candidates can 388 00:22:15.960 --> 00:22:19.759 earn the support of that margin of Trump voters that 389 00:22:19.839 --> 00:22:23.720 made the difference, but it's not automatically going to transfer 390 00:22:24.599 --> 00:22:27.519 Those were Trump voters, not Republican voters. 391 00:22:28.319 --> 00:22:30.519 So the GOP has a lot of work. 392 00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:34.079 To do in a hurry to earn the support of 393 00:22:34.160 --> 00:22:38.039 those Trump voters who made the difference. But the opportunity 394 00:22:38.079 --> 00:22:40.480 is clearly there, and it shows in the polls. And 395 00:22:40.519 --> 00:22:43.960 it goes back to my big pitch to you, which was, hey, yeah, 396 00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:47.720 it is so important that President Trump win and save 397 00:22:47.759 --> 00:22:49.880 America again and his voters save America again. 398 00:22:49.920 --> 00:22:51.559 And that happened, and thank God for it. 399 00:22:52.480 --> 00:22:56.440 But what's almost equally important is that the Left be 400 00:22:56.519 --> 00:22:59.680 exposed for who they are, that enough people see that 401 00:22:59.759 --> 00:23:04.359