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Speaker 1: I made a sish taste sunny sound. I had a vision.

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Speaker 2: It's nice. What's up, hardy people in the hissy Happy Friday,

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Happy Friday. Yes, I wanted to open our show to

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telling you that something I discovered about myself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm really interested in this. I'm so interested in

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if anybody else has this. I just found out that

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I have a genetic thing, which is okay. Always whenever

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I would eat sushi, I always think ginger is disgusting,

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and I go, well, it tastes just like soap. I

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don't know how anybody could not think it tastes like soap.

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Speaker 1: I love it, but it does taste like soap.

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Speaker 2: But I mean to me, it tastes drastically like dish soap,

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like dish soap, like it's disgusting. Also cilantro. So I

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was reading something that somebody said they have the cilantro

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dish soap gene, and I was like, what's that? So

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I look it up and it's the same as the ginger,

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where it's a genetic thing that you have that make

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certain foods, but that have this thing that starts with

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an A, and I gotta look at it.

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Speaker 1: Tellia has this she does. Yes, she looked it up too.

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She doesn't like cilantro and she doesn't like ginger.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's so crazy.

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Speaker 1: It's so weird.

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Speaker 2: And oh here, okay, here it is.

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Speaker 1: It's called.

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Speaker 2: Okay does ginger? Okay, it's called it's genetics. It's they're

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called aldehydes, like cilantro ginger. Like cilantro, ginger contains natural

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chemical compounds called aldehydes. People with specific old factory receptor

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genes like o R six A two are highly sensitive

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to these compounds and perceive them as soapy or chemical tasting.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's only a test per se.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, I know. I was like, oh wow, that's a thing.

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That is a thing, Natalia.

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Speaker 2: I was like, why am I the only person who

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thinks that that ginger is disgusting?

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Speaker 1: Now you're not.

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Speaker 3: I used to not like it, but now I mix

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it with the soy sauce, and it Once you mix

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it with the soy sace, it calms down and it

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makes it a little more spicy.

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Speaker 1: I think.

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Speaker 2: It smells like I'm just washing dishes, right, Yeah, Like

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it smells like soap and makes me feel like it's nauseating,

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all right, I know now.

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Speaker 1: I know why, at least I know that there's actually this.

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Speaker 2: Way born this way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So all right, o, hey, like you know, don't

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be phobic.

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Speaker 2: This is how I was born.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, all right, well that's interesting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you and Natalia, that's our show.

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Speaker 2: All right, bye, don't be a parent now, Okay, I'm

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truly excited about this episode, even though you keep you're

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trying to like calm my excitement. You're like, okay, a

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little too much, like not that much happened. But I

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come to Facebook, I see that you were on Turtle

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Boy's stream, which it turns out you weren't. But okay,

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I want more information about this, but you are super

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into there.

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Speaker 1: There's Karen Reid stuff going on, and there's.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I follow Melanie Little. She's like, she's a lawyer,

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she's great, and she breaks down a lot of these

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different cases, not just this, but so okay, so basically,

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I'm gonna tell you right now, Karen Reid is innocent.

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She met that guy, never got hit by a car,

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never was hit by a car. The more I find

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out about everything, so basically, what's going on now?

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Speaker 2: But how did he die?

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Speaker 3: He got knocked out. Okay, so he went. They didn't

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plan it or anything. They were all drunk. She dropped

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him off at the house. He walked inside the house.

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Colin Albert, who was the nephew or Brian Albert, was

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inside the house and and they said he said he

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was in the house for like a few minutes and left.

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Not true that there was a woman his friend. Was

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it just we just found out this week lied to

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the grand jury and said that she took Colin Albert

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home or whatever.

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Speaker 1: That was a complete lie.

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Speaker 3: Because they found it in her phone that that didn't happen.

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They have the g they have the you know, the

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GPS data. She never went to the house. That therefore

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he was in the house. So I think what happened

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is Colin Albert, who was a total punk. There's videos

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of him online like yo vantage boys pull up bang

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bang like fucking totals. Just douchebag. Okay, okay, he was

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in the house. He him and John O'Keefe who died.

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if they got along or what, but he was he

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was a loose cannon. He was in the house. Then

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you also have Brian Higgins, the other cop who was like,

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I think you're hot, Like he was hitting on Karen Reid, I.

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Speaker 1: Think you're hot.

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Speaker 2: If you look at the video from the Waterfall bar

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that they were at, you can see him like going

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like hey, let's go.

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Speaker 1: And he was like and the other guy he was trying.

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Speaker 3: He was like talking shit to his friends, like about

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John who was across the bar, and the friends the

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other cops were like like, calm down, dude, like just relax, relax,

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and he kept going like let's go, let's go. And

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he was texting Karen Reid while they were at the

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bar like so um and she never answered his text.

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So he was fired up. So they get what happened

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was he got into the house, he got two black eyes,

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he got concussed. There's a on the back of his head.

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head and he was knocked out there.

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Speaker 2: So you think they beat him up in the house.

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I think she gets pissed waiting for him to come out.

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She leaves, yes, she leaves. Well, she sat there for

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a little bit and she said coll her he was

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going to go in and be like, okay, see what

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was going on?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: So then she gets mad, leaves, she leaves, and then

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they dumped him out, his body off, So why would

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they just put him on the lawnch.

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Speaker 3: So there was throw up all down his shirt. Okay,

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what like I didn't know that. This is all like

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starting to come out. He was vomit down his shirt.

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If you're hit by a car, why is there He

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had no broken bones from the neck down, nothing, no

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injuries except for all those scratches and bite marks.

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Speaker 2: Because I don't think she hit him that hard. I

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think she just like she hit his head. I think

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he hit his head on the curb that there was.

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The snow was barely it was. It was on the grass.

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Speaker 1: So I don't there's he did. It was not hit by.

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Speaker 3: Experts that said of car accidents that were on the

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stand and said, there's no injuries from the neck down.

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a car. If a guy got hit by, he didn't

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get hit by a car. What happened was they had

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the German shepherd in the house. He got the German

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shepherd got onto his arm. He went and convulsed and

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he was dying and they put him out on they

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they what are they going to do?

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Speaker 1: Cut him up or put him in.

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Speaker 3: The car or take like what if there's cameras on

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the street or whatever.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: There was a car. There was a ford Edge car

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parked so it would block the if they're carrying him out.

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blocked at like two thirty in the morning out there.

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They put him out there, and then she one of

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the wives of the cops inside the house, Jen McCabe,

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who's a villain in all this, she googles how long

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to die in the snow? Okay, now they have their experts,

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said she's then she deleted that that Google search. And

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then at five point thirty in the morning, he googles

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it again, saying Karen, Karen said for me to google

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how long to dine in the snow at five point thirty.

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Now they had the cellbright experts said, that's not what happened.

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It was googled at two thirty in the morning, how

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long to dine the snow?

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Speaker 2: And then you've turned me around. I'm not yeah, I'm

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not just saying that. I you're right, And there was

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a lot of weird shit that went on with all

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those people in the house. Okay, so here's the crazy.

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So now the Michael Proctor, the detective that was assigned

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to the case, by the way, friends longtime friends with

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that family, the Alberts in the house, and Colin Albert

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was like in their wedding when he was a little kid.

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Speaker 1: So what happened?

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Speaker 2: That kid's only like sixteen, right, No, he.

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Speaker 3: Was like seventeen at the time, and he was going

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off to he was graduating from Ice, was going off

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to college to play football.

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Speaker 2: But he was a teenager, so he was at that

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age where everybody would be like, we got to protect.

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Speaker 1: We gotta protect.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, so like people are like, how did all

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these people get involved? It was a small group of

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people that got involved in this cover up. Michael Proctor,

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who was the lead detector, who's friends with them, was

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like immediately within twelve hours in his text messages, we're

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going to pin it on the girl, said, we're gonna

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put it on the girl. What no way the and

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it was at a cops house and he goes, no way,

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no way that uh oh no, he said, no way,

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this girl skates and the you know, it was at

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a cops house basically, and then starts looking for nudes

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and stuff like that, and like, yeah, says we're going

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to pin it on the girl.

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Speaker 2: Says, well when because we know that he said, uh,

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no way she skates or whatever. But that's a lot

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different than we're going to pin it on the girl.

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Speaker 3: That's what they said. That's what they said in trial.

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That's what they said in trial. And they said they said, yeah,

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because she has you know, Crohn's disease or whatever. I mean,

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he was just instead like, hope she kills herself like

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stuff like that. Within twelve hours of investigating, never in

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Speaker 2: So she gets arrested, blah blah blah. They go, oh,

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Speaker 3: She gets arrested, I think that they put him out

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on the lawn and just they knew Lucky was the guy,

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Lucky the plow driver, Lucky loft Gren is his name.

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Speaker 1: They knew him by the way.

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Speaker 3: He used to work at their pizza place, one of

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the moans, a pizza place in town, and they know

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he was just a simpleton guy who was not going

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to fight with them. They knew he was going to

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be plowing that street at two thirty in the morning,

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which he did, which he did, and they probably thought, okay,

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like he's going to get hit by a plow.

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Speaker 1: That's what I think happened.

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Speaker 3: And then Karen Reid, who's crazy and cuckoo, is like,

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oh my god, where's John? So she starts looking for

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him at four thirty five o'clock and like calls Jen

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McCabe because he was it was that house and she

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was the one inviting them over.

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Speaker 1: Where's John? And she's like, no, he never.

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Speaker 3: Came inside the house. He never came in the house.

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at this and goes like, there he is on the grass.

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Jen McCabe never calls her sister and her husband, the husband,

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her sister's husband who lives in the house, Brian Albert,

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is a cop, he's a first responder. Her good friend

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John O'Keefe is on the lawn dying. She doesn't call

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them and be like hey, she's just like, where's blankets?

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men laying on the laying in the snow.

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Speaker 1: There's a men laying in the snow.

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Speaker 3: Like she's just And also they made I don't remember

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she's brainwashed and I don't. She wasn't part of being

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out with them that night. She was just a good

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friend that Karen called asking where's John at five point thirty,

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met Karen, and then they were like, let's go back

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to John's house. Maybe he's there where Karen just came from.

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She was at John's house. She was sleeping on the

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couch waiting for him to come home. And Jen McCabe says,

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let's go back. Maybe he's there at the house, you know,

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and it's like that was a waste of time, Like

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Karen's like, okay, but he's not here. So there's video

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of them. Then there was video of her backing out

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of the driveway and that's when she cracked her tail light.

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videos that came out, you can see her tail light

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is still intact when she's leaving. It's not it's just cracked, right,

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it's not shattered.

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Speaker 1: So she didn't hit him. She didn't hit him with

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the car.

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Speaker 3: And again, like all these experts said, like this, he

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would have gotten if this is not how a pedestrian

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gets it by a car. All right, Michael Proctor. Now,

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so now you got Michael Proctor, the lead detective. He's

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sent all those text messages. He has since been fired

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from the job or whatever because it's a disgrace because

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of all those text messages. Now here there's another lawsuit. Okay,

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So the Key family is civilly suing Karen for the

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wrongful death of John o'keeth. So like his mom is

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suing her. She and her lawyers are suing the Brian Albert,

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the wife Jenn McCabe, Colin Albert, like and like the

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police department they had invest like they're suing everybody. And

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now with this lawsuit, all of this other information now

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is starting to get released.

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Speaker 2: Why wasn't it released before? I don't I mean, you know,

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they held they hold stuff back.

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Speaker 3: Now like all his cell now Michael Proctor's phone records

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were released to the public. And this guy, this motherfucker

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is a piece of pile of shit. He some of

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his text messages okay, okay to another cop on the

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force who was also on this case investigating Karen Reakay,

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said stuff like, I mean, fine, hold on basically it basically,

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if you're not a white male, you're a piece of shit.

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Lots of like like anti Semitic jokes, lots of anti

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gay joke, not jokes, but basically saying, uh. There was

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a text where he said there was an accident or something,

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but it was the N word. Says the N word constantly,

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but it was an nword, So take your time getting

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to the accident. Yeah, and today should be shoot an

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N word day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, said like I went to my old high school

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and I couldn't believe all the N words that are around, Like,

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wasn't like this one.

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Speaker 1: And he's saying this to another cop who just resigned.

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Speaker 3: So all of these text messages and he's saying stuff like,

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plant some cocaine on the on this you know, on

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the Jew guy or whatever, you know like that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, everybody was in the line of fire.

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Speaker 2: I mean, just as you find these texts they had,

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they they impounded his phone and the text that related

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to Karen Reid's case came out.

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Speaker 1: But now because Karen Reid to lead all that shit

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from his phone he tried.

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Speaker 3: Now FBI got involved, so they got Now they got

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his phone records, and now it's getting released because Karen

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suing this the fucking police department.

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Speaker 1: Look, he's talking about planning.

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Speaker 2: Do you think he would have gotten rid of that stuff? Well,

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I guess the detective doesn't need to because he's the detective.

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Why are they going to look at his phone?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: I'm saying during the first the Karen Reid trial itself,

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he probably wasn't thinking I've got to clear my phone

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before he did.

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Speaker 3: He did try, he did try. A lot of them

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deleted their phone, one of them buying. Brian Higgins got

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rid of his phone on an army base like two

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days after it.

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Speaker 2: Right, But I'm saying the detective probably wouldn't have thought

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he was the one assigned to the case. Yes, so

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he probably wasn't in a rush to destroy his phone,

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do you know what I mean? Because he's like, I'm

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the one investing game right right, Like I'm the one

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who's going to look at other people's phones right right then,

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Now that there's discovery. There's all this discovery, all this

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shit's coming out. Yes, and he's talking about planting evidence.

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Sounds familiar. If they planted all those tail lights they did.

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Those tail lights were not there in the beginning.

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Speaker 3: They showed up like, I don't know, like a couple

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days later after they were seen in the sally Port

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garage by the back of her car. There's video of

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them being behind the car where her tail light was.

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And then suddenly all these tail lights show up because

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she made it easy for them because she started going

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where's John?

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Speaker 1: Did I hit him? Could have hit him? Did I him?

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I hit him? Did I hit him? Like?

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Speaker 3: She started running her mouth and they were like, perfect,

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we're gonna put it on the girl. That's what happened.

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And so so all this stuff is coming out about

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Michael Proctor and she's suing them, and she's suing and

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and now Turtle Boy is covering all this. But now

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he's facing like ninety years in prison.

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Speaker 2: Turtle Boy.

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Speaker 3: Turtle Boy because during the Karen So now they're suing

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Karen Reid and Turtle Boy. There's yeah, who's they Brian Albert,

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Jen McCabe, the cops. So they're suing each other, Brian Higgins,

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they're suing each other. Yes, so they're suing Turtle Boy

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and accusing him of being in cahoots with Karen Reid's

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team and saying that Karen Reid leaked information about the

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case to him so that he would go on his

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live show and be like, you know, an activist for her,

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which he was, and he would go to like he

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went to like like their pizza place restaurant and was

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like Colin Albert was in the house, Colin Albert was.

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Speaker 1: He was just protesting, and they were like.

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Speaker 2: Why isn't he allowed to do that. He is allowed

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to do that. It's First Amendment rights, He's allowed to

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do that. But they're saying they were intimidated. That witness intimidation.

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Jen McCabe went to the cops and asked for a

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restraining order and gets and said in the interview, can

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we just get him to stop talking? And they were

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like no, she was denied, same with one of somebody else,

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And like Brian Higgins did that denied because it's it's

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freedom of speech. He did a rolling rally during the trial,

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like he got all these protesters and they went to

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like the pizza place, they went to their houses, They

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went down the street, but they didn't go up to

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their houses.

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Speaker 1: They were just protesting.

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Speaker 3: And when they were outside the courthouse sometimes the o'keef,

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like Peggy Oak, the mom the family would come into

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the court and then some of the fans would boo them,

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and he's out there with his bullhearver going no, no, no,

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we're not doing the family.

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Speaker 1: We're not doing that. Stop stop, We're not doing that.

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Speaker 2: But he would go up to Jen McCabe and go,

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why'd you google how to how long to die in

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the cold at two twenty five am?

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Speaker 1: Why'd you do?

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Speaker 3: Like with a bullhorn following her from the courthouse to

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her car, and she's like, witness intimidation, witness intimidation.

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, she's he's showing this on his show. She's sending

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him texts like fuck off, like.

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Speaker 3: You like she's not afraid of him, Like we're gonna

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beat your ass, like you come near the beat, like

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all kinds of shit. So they're suing each other and

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it's fucking I mean, like he's.

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Speaker 2: In his Turtle Boy doing like live update is it?

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Speaker 1: Every day?

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Speaker 3: Two days a week he does a live show and

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he talks about he's talking like about the case. He's

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showing evidence why Colin Albert was in the house, Like

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it's all they need to drop that lawsuit because they're

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gonna get they're gonna look like murderers.

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Speaker 1: Like and then Melanie, Melanie Little is the one, like.

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Speaker 2: I feel like they it's not like they were innocent,

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so they could be tried.

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Speaker 1: They could be tried.

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Speaker 2: And also, if you have nothing to hide and you're innocent,

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and he really did get hit by a car, and

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Colin Albert is innocent, why is he avoiding a deposition.

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He just joined the army and he was supposed to

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be deposed. He's going off to the army. He didn't

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talk to the cops. The cops didn't talk to him

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for like eighteen months.

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Speaker 1: They didn't interview him.

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Speaker 3: So it's and Jen mckaye, if everybody's so innocent, why

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did they lawyer up right away? Why aren't they just

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talking and telling that and giving them their phone.

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Speaker 2: Here's my phone, look at my phone, here's the here's

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the life three sixty.

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Speaker 3: You know, my niece said that she picked Colin Albert

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up at the house. But now they're like all this

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discovery is coming out. It's like, no, your niece lied

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on the grand jury and said that she was there,

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and why three sixty on your phone, jeded McKay, your

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daughter was not.

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Speaker 2: Now there's nobody to really investigate it, because that is

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the investigator, right, I mean, now there's the well, it's

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it's a civil police department is supposed to be.

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Speaker 1: Well, the FBI is supposed at least.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if then they should charge these cops criminally.

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If they found things on their phone that said they pinned,

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let's pin it on someone else, then isn't it pretty

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obvious that they committed the crime.

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Speaker 3: Well that's what that's what Turtle Boys was talking about

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and squeaking about, and may we don't. I think they're

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still investigating. And I think they're going to see because

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this is a civil suit. This is them'ssuing each other.

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Speaker 2: Is so, But there should be a criminal if that's

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true and she was found not guilty, Well he died

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somehow and he got black eyes.

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Speaker 1: He can just fall over right right right, if she.

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Speaker 2: Didn't hit him with her car, And now we're finding

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out this evidence, why are they not being investigated?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 1: I think they I think they are. I think it's

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going to come out.

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Speaker 3: I mean aj Jackson, Alan Jackson, who's her attorney, he's

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been on some podcasts and he's talked about it and

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he's like, it's going to take time, but all the

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truth is going to come out, and we hope that

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people will finally be.

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Speaker 2: Held responsible because Turtle Boys, Like this is all justice

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for John O'Keeffe. It's like Karen Reid is just like

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a small part of the story. This story is getting

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bigger and bigger, and it's all about justice for John O'Keeffe.

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Like we're justice for the people of Boston if their

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whole police department well is Now Now there's all these

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other cases, this Mile Davis guy that got arrested but

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put away, Now they're looking into that because that was

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Michael Procter's thing.

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Speaker 1: Now they're getting all.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's a trick. It's a huge story. It's crazy,

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it's so layered, and it's just fascinating.

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Speaker 3: Melanie Little, I mean, she does her stream and I

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love watching her because she's a lawyer and she pulls

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everything up and she looks at everything.

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Speaker 1: There's video of.

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Speaker 2: Colin Albert days after it happened, and he's like like

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with his like his fister are up like hugging his friends,

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and his knuckles are all scabbed, all scabbed up. And

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Alan Jackson the first trial, he was on the stand,

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Alan Jackson, how'd you get how'd you get these these

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on your on your knuckle? Pulled up the picture and

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he goes, I slipped on ice and he goes.

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Speaker 1: You slipped on ice.

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Speaker 3: Wouldn't you want to like like he said like he

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was trying to break his fall. You put when you

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break your fall, you use your knuckles. It was very suspicious.

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like Colin, He's like, have you ever been in fights?

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And he was like nope. He just totally lied on

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00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:53,599
the stand. He was just like he was looking like

473
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,160
this innocent. He's like had like a sweater on with

474
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,440
a collar and he's like, no, I've never been in fights. Meanwhile,

475
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,720
like they're playing video of him like fighting at school

476
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,759
and they're playing that and Alan Jackson's like what about

477
00:23:04,799 --> 00:23:07,960
this video? Bang bang, pull up, pull up vantage boys,

478
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,960
bang bang, I'll beat your ass.

479
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,319
Speaker 1: Like he's like what about that?

480
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 2: And he's like, yeah, I was just like joking, like

481
00:23:14,319 --> 00:23:16,519
I don't really fight, that's that's you know, I was

482
00:23:16,599 --> 00:23:17,440
just joking around.

483
00:23:18,039 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 1: You know.

484
00:23:18,759 --> 00:23:21,400
Speaker 3: It's like if you have if you're really innocent, call

485
00:23:21,599 --> 00:23:26,240
like show your phone, Like why are you hiding behind this?

486
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,559
Like no, I'm just an innocent kid going off the colg.

487
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,599
Now he is avoiding his deposition with Alan Jackson, and

488
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,839
he enlisted in the army and his attorneys are like, yeah,

489
00:23:35,839 --> 00:23:38,240
he can't come for the deposition now, And the judge

490
00:23:38,279 --> 00:23:40,319
got pissed and he's like, bring him back.

491
00:23:40,599 --> 00:23:43,599
Speaker 1: He needs to come for deposition. So it's so are

492
00:23:43,599 --> 00:23:45,079
they going to yeah, of course.

493
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:51,319
Speaker 3: And and Alan Jackson was supposed to depose Michael Proctor, okay,

494
00:23:51,759 --> 00:23:54,359
And this was a couple of weeks ago and right

495
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,720
up until like the day, so he was to have

496
00:23:56,839 --> 00:24:00,319
this deposition like on a Friday or on a Monday day,

497
00:24:00,839 --> 00:24:05,240
like the Wednesday before. All these text messages came out

498
00:24:05,279 --> 00:24:07,440
to the public and it was on the news and

499
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,480
everybody was talking about it. They were reading all the

500
00:24:09,519 --> 00:24:10,279
shit he was saying.

501
00:24:10,799 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 2: And now he had to cancel that deposition on Monday

502
00:24:14,079 --> 00:24:17,079
because he's not available for like thirty days and his

503
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:18,079
wife left him.

504
00:24:19,079 --> 00:24:22,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, his wife left him, and she's another bit. She

505
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,079
was like sticking up for you know, her husband, like

506
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,480
he's he you know, just because he was looking for news,

507
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,640
like she was standing by him and stuff like that.

508
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,920
And Turtle Boy was calling all of this hypocrisy out

509
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,480
and she's fucking interesting because Turbo I don't give off

510
00:24:35,519 --> 00:24:39,759
fuck even though he's facing ninety days ninety years in jail,

511
00:24:39,759 --> 00:24:44,319
he had to spend but what's his crime? Witness intimidation. Oh,

512
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,559
witness intimidation, and they put him in jail for sixty days.

513
00:24:47,599 --> 00:24:50,319
He spent six. He's a father of two kids. He

514
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,519
has a very good relationship with his ex wife. He's

515
00:24:53,759 --> 00:24:56,279
he goes and picks up his kids every morning, takes

516
00:24:56,319 --> 00:24:59,079
him to the bus stop and then drops him off.

517
00:24:59,079 --> 00:25:01,400
He takes them from goes to the ex wife's, gets

518
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,759
them ready, takes him the bus stop, goes back to

519
00:25:03,799 --> 00:25:06,519
his house. One morning, he was taking him the bus stop,

520
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:11,039
Michael Proctor shows up and arrests him for witness intimidation. Oh,

521
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,480
Michael Proctor did, Oh yeah, there's video of it, like

522
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,400
you see you watch the heartbreaking He was like the

523
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,920
bus just pulled away and he's like, you guys plan

524
00:25:20,039 --> 00:25:22,000
this on purpose when I was dropping off my kids.

525
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 2: He's like, you couldn't have waited until the bus left.

526
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:25,680
You had the way you had to pull up right

527
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,079
when the bus is still there so my kids could see.

528
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,079
He spent sixty days in jail, and he's like, oh,

529
00:25:31,519 --> 00:25:32,960
I am not a guy that He's like, I used

530
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,839
to be a high school teacher and now I'm a journalist.

531
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,720
And by the way, he's been doing journalism way before

532
00:25:38,759 --> 00:25:41,720
Karen Read for like twelve years. He writes like his columns,

533
00:25:42,039 --> 00:25:44,559
and he's like, he's like, I'm not a guy that

534
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:45,680
goes to jail. You know.

535
00:25:45,799 --> 00:25:47,599
Speaker 1: He spent sixty days in jail.

536
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,839
Speaker 3: They put him in jail for witness intimidation, and now

537
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,559
he's got all these charges and he's very confident that

538
00:25:52,599 --> 00:25:56,759
he's he's not he's not gonna get prosecuted. Yeah, because

539
00:25:56,759 --> 00:25:58,839
he's got the truth on his side and stuff. So

540
00:25:59,599 --> 00:26:02,480
is he so many he's still doing his It's okay.

541
00:26:02,519 --> 00:26:03,440
He's still doing.

542
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 2: His live reads, his live shows, his live shows twice

543
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,759
a week's a week, twice a week he talks about

544
00:26:09,799 --> 00:26:11,839
Karen Read or twice a week he just does. He

545
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,200
talks about a lot of it is his case and

546
00:26:15,599 --> 00:26:18,240
the Karen Read All Entertained. So he does he only

547
00:26:18,279 --> 00:26:20,759
does shows twice a week, yes, yeah, and they're live

548
00:26:21,039 --> 00:26:24,160
and they're on YouTube on YouTube, So you watched, So

549
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,359
I watched, so you between your daily dose of.

550
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: Donna and he doesn't at night.

551
00:26:30,079 --> 00:26:31,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, So like I can put it on the TV

552
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,680
and stuff, like I'll watch it and then how long

553
00:26:34,759 --> 00:26:35,000
is it?

554
00:26:35,039 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: Like an hour?

555
00:26:35,799 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 2: Like three hours sometimes, but I fast forward through a

556
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:39,960
lot of it because he does a lot of He

557
00:26:40,039 --> 00:26:41,839
does a lot of shout outs, like people put in

558
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,480
you know, He's like he goes, you know, if you

559
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,519
want to get your message read to the class, put

560
00:26:45,519 --> 00:26:47,200
it in the link and I'll give it a shout out.

561
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,039
So I'm like, you know, I was just like happy

562
00:26:49,079 --> 00:26:52,279
Father's Day. You know, I love your show. You're entertaining

563
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,279
And oh he was involved.

564
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 3: He's got a lot of drama too, because like there's

565
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,160
now inter fighting of the Free care and read movement.

566
00:26:59,559 --> 00:27:01,640
All these people are fighting with each other and he's

567
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,680
getting dragged into it and he's like, you know, there's

568
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,200
a lot. There's all side drama too, Like he had

569
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,240
a crazy ex girlfriend that took him to court and

570
00:27:08,279 --> 00:27:12,279
tried to you know, crazy went through all that. So

571
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,799
I just said, Happy Father's Day, Stay above the fray,

572
00:27:15,319 --> 00:27:19,640
focus on freeing Turtle boy, you know, keep entertaining us,

573
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:20,039
love us.

574
00:27:20,079 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 2: You know.

575
00:27:20,559 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: He's kind of like a Howard Stern.

576
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 2: You know, he's he's a very colorful language, but he's

577
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,960
not like disrespectful. He like, I feel like he fights

578
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,119
a lot for women's rights, Like he was fighting for

579
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,359
Kelsey Fitzsimmons, which is after Karen Reid was acquitted.

580
00:27:35,079 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 1: Kelsey Fitzsimmons was.

581
00:27:36,079 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 3: That other case of this mom that just had a

582
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,160
baby and she was a cop. They shot her and

583
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,400
you know, blah blah blah. So he was like he

584
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,559
talked about that case like you know, so he's no

585
00:27:45,599 --> 00:27:46,759
aj Benza.

586
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 2: No no, no no. But you know, like he'll get

587
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,319
mad at people, be like, stop telling me what to

588
00:27:54,319 --> 00:27:54,920
do on my show.

589
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: Fuck off, die in a hole.

590
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 3: Like you know, somebody emailed him about why aren't you

591
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,359
getting involved in drama? Why aren't you sticking up for

592
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,559
this person, And he's like, I'm fucking fighting for my life.

593
00:28:04,759 --> 00:28:06,039
Speaker 1: Go die in a hole.

594
00:28:06,079 --> 00:28:09,079
Speaker 2: Like you know, he gets very like pissed off sometimes,

595
00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:10,960
but then he calms down. He's like, all right, anyway,

596
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,599
like he's kind of funny. So when you so you're

597
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,720
right in there and just i' and then he shouted

598
00:28:16,759 --> 00:28:19,599
you out. Yeah people heard it because yeah, yeah it

599
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,400
on Facebook. Yes, yeah, because he said he's I could

600
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,240
play it for you. I thought sure, yeah, because I

601
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,000
thought you guested on the show.

602
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: Was excited.

603
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 2: I was like, wait, how did you not tell me

604
00:28:31,319 --> 00:28:33,839
that you like went to a studio and like got

605
00:28:33,839 --> 00:28:37,359
on with Turtle Boy. He's on the East Coasts in Boston,

606
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,480
so he does this show like nine o'clock at night,

607
00:28:39,519 --> 00:28:42,559
but it's like six o'clock my time, right, Yeah, yeah,

608
00:28:42,599 --> 00:28:43,680
so yeah.

609
00:28:43,519 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: I shout out to once.

610
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,319
Speaker 2: I did a shout out, and then he was like

611
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,480
a Carola, is that Alan Carol's wife or whatever? And

612
00:28:48,519 --> 00:28:50,640
then I told him he was really funny, and he's like, oh,

613
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,839
that's a big compliment. So then he saw my name

614
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,640
again the other night and he was like, gave a

615
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,400
shout out. Should we do an ad? And then sure, yeah,

616
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:03,519
let's let's talk about Blissy. I love Blissy. You know

617
00:29:03,559 --> 00:29:07,519
who's really obsessed with Blissy? As Sadie Yes gave her

618
00:29:07,759 --> 00:29:11,960
my black silk pillowcase because she had been talking about

619
00:29:12,079 --> 00:29:14,519
this was like around the holidays, she'd been talking so

620
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,799
much about needing a silk pillowcase. I have one too,

621
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,680
And then they also it also came with a room

622
00:29:21,759 --> 00:29:24,920
spray and an eyemask, a silk iyemasks.

623
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: I love.

624
00:29:25,759 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 2: She has always decked out with her stuff. But Sadie

625
00:29:28,279 --> 00:29:31,519
is very into hair and keeping her hair like an

626
00:29:31,839 --> 00:29:35,599
anti frizz, so she swears by it and takes good

627
00:29:35,599 --> 00:29:38,319
care of her skin. So listen the kids. They know

628
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:39,880
they do, know, they know.

629
00:29:40,039 --> 00:29:40,279
Speaker 1: They do.

630
00:29:41,119 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great gift for birthdays, bridal showers, anniversaries

631
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636
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percent off your skin and your hair. Well, thank you,

637
00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:09,799
thank you, Lissy. Yeah, okay, I'll play you the clips.

638
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,680
So I think he was he was talking about crying,

639
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,480
like he was saying something like, don't fucking uh.

640
00:30:16,759 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: He was. He was.

641
00:30:17,519 --> 00:30:19,799
Speaker 3: He was having a debate with this other woman. A

642
00:30:19,839 --> 00:30:23,000
couple of days ago that he was like, and he

643
00:30:23,119 --> 00:30:25,599
was like, and she started crying. So then he brought

644
00:30:25,599 --> 00:30:27,200
it up on this show and he was like, stop

645
00:30:27,319 --> 00:30:28,799
with the crying, like wet.

646
00:30:28,759 --> 00:30:30,759
Speaker 1: Like, let's just say we're adults, Like you're a forty

647
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:31,839
something year old woman.

648
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,519
Speaker 2: You don't need to be crying, Like, why are you

649
00:30:33,519 --> 00:30:35,319
trying to like make me feel bad?

650
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: Okay, so here we go.

651
00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 2: Let's see all right, Damn I got the new phone update,

652
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,839
Well not a second. Nobody likes their new phone.

653
00:30:46,119 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I.

654
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:52,319
Speaker 4: Talk about them anyway. Next, and that Corolla who would

655
00:30:52,319 --> 00:30:55,839
never pr Sin's fifty bucks and goes, dear Aiden, wishing

656
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,279
you a very happy father this day. He seemed like

657
00:30:57,279 --> 00:30:58,880
a great dad. Thank you so much. And as a mom,

658
00:30:59,119 --> 00:31:01,599
I adore you. What's best for you. I want you

659
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,000
to see above defray and focus on what's important, which

660
00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:06,319
is freeing turtle boy. It's all focused on your case.

661
00:31:06,559 --> 00:31:08,799
I will always support you from La. Love you keep

662
00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:11,160
making us laugh. I love my neck Coroller. She's the best,

663
00:31:11,799 --> 00:31:15,000
so nice. It's always supportive of me. They always has

664
00:31:15,079 --> 00:31:17,960
my back. I appreciate you do sort things almost let yes,

665
00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:21,400
I love it.

666
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,319
Speaker 2: It's so great about you. Lennett is like all the

667
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,359
time that I was like, no, Karen Reid is one

668
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,680
hundred percent guilty, and you're not going to change my mind.

669
00:31:29,119 --> 00:31:30,519
You never like got so.

670
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,079
Speaker 1: Heated that you were like, but you're not listening to

671
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:33,640
the truth.

672
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 2: You were just like, Okay, I mean, here's here's what

673
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,599
I think, and here's the other side of it, and

674
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,000
you're like, what, you know, You're gonna believe what you

675
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,279
want to believe, and you could enjoy fund a fun

676
00:31:45,319 --> 00:31:48,279
debate and not get really personal about it. Oh yeah,

677
00:31:48,319 --> 00:31:50,279
But now that I'm seeing the truth, I'm like, I

678
00:31:50,279 --> 00:31:52,119
feel like I would have been more irritated if I

679
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,519
were you, because I would have been like, but how

680
00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:56,519
are you ignoring all of this evidence?

681
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:57,119
Speaker 1: Yeah?

682
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:58,799
Speaker 2: You know, but you never came off like some of

683
00:31:58,839 --> 00:32:01,319
our listeners who would be like, Stefanie, you're so stupid.

684
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:02,839
Speaker 1: Shut the fuck up. You don't get it.

685
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 2: I know, you're always like right, I mean, yeah, I mean, alright,

686
00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:10,000
you're wrong. But well, but here the other thing though

687
00:32:10,079 --> 00:32:12,519
back then I didn't really know. I didn't I was like,

688
00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:14,000
maybe she's right. I don't know.

689
00:32:14,039 --> 00:32:17,319
Speaker 3: But now all this discovery and all this other stuff,

690
00:32:17,359 --> 00:32:20,160
and like, really, Melanie little is the one to watch

691
00:32:20,359 --> 00:32:23,279
on YouTube, like she breaks it down, like she'll.

692
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 2: She has her own show.

693
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 3: She has her own show, and she does a lot

694
00:32:25,759 --> 00:32:28,079
of other cases. But when she's talking about like Colin

695
00:32:28,119 --> 00:32:30,920
Albert and stuff like that, I tune in and I

696
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:31,680
don't know why.

697
00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:33,359
Speaker 2: This isn't a bigger story. I mean, this is going

698
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,839
to take down the whole it's in police depart It

699
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,119
is insane, it's crazy, the chain rate, and everyone always

700
00:32:39,119 --> 00:32:43,519
has said that Boston is very corrupt, yes, right, for

701
00:32:43,599 --> 00:32:46,720
corrupt police depart right right, And I get it's probably

702
00:32:46,759 --> 00:32:48,400
I'm sure it's a big story in boss. I know

703
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,279
it's a big story out there, maybe because we're on

704
00:32:50,319 --> 00:32:51,440
the West coast or something.

705
00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 3: But yeah, but the Michael Procter texts were on the news. Yeah,

706
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,920
it was like on CNN and stuff. But yeah, I

707
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,240
guess you have to be following the case because it's

708
00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:05,599
like drip like information comes up little by little as

709
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,200
it comes out as discovery, as deposition, and excuse me,

710
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,839
as depositions happen, you know, then more information comes out,

711
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,480
more information, you know, just founding finding out that Jen

712
00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:20,119
McCabe's daughter lied to the grand jury and said that

713
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,680
she was there and come to find out like a

714
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,119
couple of days ago that she was heard her phone

715
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,599
like three sixty does not show her picking up, so crazy. Yeah,

716
00:33:29,839 --> 00:33:31,920
that means that Colin Albert was in the house. Like

717
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,480
why are they lying? What are they lying about?

718
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,079
Speaker 2: You know what I listened to the other day that

719
00:33:38,119 --> 00:33:40,640
this this is reminding me of a tiny bit. But

720
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,119
remember when we were kind of following the Jennifer Crumbly

721
00:33:44,559 --> 00:33:48,079
trial and her husband, the ones that were the parents.

722
00:33:47,799 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: Parents a kid Michigan shoot her.

723
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,599
Speaker 2: Yeahah, Court Junkie, which is a show that I really like.

724
00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:56,519
We had that on our show to listen to that

725
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,400
Julian Yeah, so she. I mean I was just I

726
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,400
was really needing a podcast to listen to. So I

727
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,920
was like, well, I have no memory, so let me

728
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,960
just go back even a year and listen to some

729
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,159
old Court Junkies. And then I was just cherry picking

730
00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:13,960
which ones I was interested in. And I was like,

731
00:34:14,039 --> 00:34:16,400
I remember when we used to talk about this crazy

732
00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:22,519
the attorney, the Jennifer Crumbly's a great I forgot about her.

733
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: So crazy? Wasn't she crazy?

734
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 2: Just like I mean, don't we all have like a

735
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:32,679
bad mom moment, right, are any of us perfect? Like, yeah,

736
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:34,760
how do we know what our kids are listening to?

737
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,440
And what were you too busy making lunch?

738
00:34:37,559 --> 00:34:38,079
Speaker 1: Yeah?

739
00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then she was doing like lipstick, like doing

740
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,800
her lipstick and stuff. And then remember when so she

741
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,679
started crying in the courtroom at one point. So the

742
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:53,679
other attorney, the prosecutor, at one point was just like, okay, okay.

743
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,119
First of all, the judge in that case, if you

744
00:34:57,199 --> 00:34:59,719
listen the pot it's really good too. It's a double

745
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,519
pot cast episode and it's from around the time that

746
00:35:02,519 --> 00:35:06,000
that happened. And the judge is a bitch. So the

747
00:35:06,119 --> 00:35:08,880
judge is kind of on the side of Jennifer Crumbly.

748
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,039
Speaker 1: Really yes, yes, the.

749
00:35:11,079 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 2: Judge is like, so the the defense attorney, the crazy one,

750
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,679
just starts crying because they were I forgot what they

751
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,039
were playing. It was something, and the defense attorney starts crying.

752
00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:26,960
So the prosecutor is like, uh, hold on, can we

753
00:35:27,039 --> 00:35:32,440
not be Oh she was sobbing, she was sobbing, and

754
00:35:32,559 --> 00:35:37,400
so the yeah, so the prosecutors like, Judge no, and

755
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,679
then so then they I guess they were still recording

756
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,760
because they take the jury out. But we get to

757
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:47,599
hear this and the prosecutor is like, now listen, judge,

758
00:35:47,599 --> 00:35:52,079
you know all respect, but you said we can't be

759
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,039
extra emotional because it's going to like sway the jury.

760
00:35:55,039 --> 00:35:56,840
And she goes and I've been trying to be like

761
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,519
really follow your instruction. And she goes, but now this

762
00:36:00,639 --> 00:36:03,559
bitch is just like sobbing in the courtroom and.

763
00:36:04,199 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: So the I love that prosecutor. I remember her. Lonley

764
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,719
was great. Yeah, she was very steady, very just.

765
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 2: Telling the story, telling what happened. She never got crazy.

766
00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:18,760
But the other one is just like, oh my god.

767
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,360
She goes, well, it's really emotional.

768
00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: She goes, I mean, this is horrible. Judge. She goes,

769
00:36:24,519 --> 00:36:27,800
as horrible. She's a defense attorney.

770
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I've never seen any I've never seen this before.

771
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,679
Speaker 1: And the prosecutor goes, yeah you have. She goes, this

772
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,880
is not like this was. You've had all of this.

773
00:36:39,079 --> 00:36:41,679
Speaker 2: And then even the judge goes, you have had this,

774
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,280
and she goes, but I've never watched it.

775
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I wouldn't watch it. It's just too horrible.

776
00:36:47,039 --> 00:36:49,639
It's not even really about the case. Why would I

777
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,159
watch something so horrible?

778
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 2: Sorry if I got emotional, like you know, And then

779
00:36:55,679 --> 00:36:57,920
the judges said, well, she just got a little bit emotional,

780
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:03,000
like the judges judges side yeah, and the prosecutors like, okay,

781
00:37:03,079 --> 00:37:07,079
like totally I get it, but we but we probably

782
00:37:07,079 --> 00:37:11,360
shouldn't do that. Oh and then remember this. The defense

783
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,320
attorney goes at one point, she goes, oh my god,

784
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:19,400
I would kill myself, and the is like okay, sidebar,

785
00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:23,199
like please don't use that language or whatever, and then

786
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:27,079
the family attorney goes, oh my god, it's just a

787
00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:30,679
figure of speech, like, oh my god, it was like

788
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,320
a slip of a tongue.

789
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: Like relaxed.

790
00:37:33,199 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 2: And then the judge goes, yeah, she didn't really mean

791
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:36,480
anything by it or whatever.

792
00:37:36,639 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.

793
00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 2: Like the prosecutor had to have just feeling like am

794
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:40,719
I in crazy land?

795
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:41,679
Speaker 1: Right right?

796
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,199
Speaker 2: Luckily she just kept her shit together and just prosecuted

797
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:45,920
the case.

798
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:46,679
Speaker 1: Right right.

799
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 3: You can still watch those trials. You can find them

800
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:54,000
probably on YouTube. Oh my god, I remember watching I.

801
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: Love the trial stuff. Yeah.

802
00:37:56,119 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 2: The only problem is it's interesting though, because if you

803
00:37:59,559 --> 00:38:01,880
if you watch it or if you follow that trial,

804
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,880
you're like, yeah, this is fucked up. Because there's this

805
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,639
one part where the mom the kid is caught looking

806
00:38:09,679 --> 00:38:13,039
at bullets, and he's looking at ammunition on his phone

807
00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:16,320
and he gets caught and then at school you get

808
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,519
rid of school. Yeah, and then he texts the mom,

809
00:38:20,599 --> 00:38:23,119
gets a call from the school. Then the mom texts

810
00:38:23,159 --> 00:38:25,760
him and she's like, hey, you were looking at ammunition

811
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,880
on your phone and he's like, oh yeah, like not

812
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,360
a big deal, though, I was just curious about Some'm like,

813
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,280
I probably shouldn't have been looking it up at school,

814
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,920
but it's no big deal. I'm not in any trouble.

815
00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:39,519
They just told me to not do it. But I

816
00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:42,199
was just thinking about like ammunition for the whatever gun,

817
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,880
and I was just curious about what it costs or whatever.

818
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,599
And she was like okay, she goes, yeah, totally, just

819
00:38:47,639 --> 00:38:48,360
don't get caught.

820
00:38:48,519 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: The mom said that, Yeah, the mom goes.

821
00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 2: Don't get caught.

822
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:51,119
Speaker 1: Right.

823
00:38:51,159 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 2: But here's the weird thing. I was having some sympathy

824
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,599
for this mom a little bit because until you then

825
00:38:57,639 --> 00:38:59,760
you find out that the mom was cheating on the dad.

826
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,840
Remember that, Oh that's right, Yeah, she's having an affair.

827
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,519
Then she was not just having an affair with one guy,

828
00:39:06,679 --> 00:39:09,920
which she was, but she was on like friend finders

829
00:39:10,119 --> 00:39:14,079
and she was having she was having like affair with

830
00:39:14,119 --> 00:39:17,519
the guy, but also having other people watch or whatever,

831
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,320
or like people involved.

832
00:39:20,159 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: Now she was.

833
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,119
Speaker 2: Ignoring her son. She would go to the horse stable

834
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,719
or whatever. She has always at the horse stable.

835
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,679
Speaker 3: She would just ignore it, like our son would come

836
00:39:28,679 --> 00:39:30,079
home and she wouldn't be there.

837
00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 2: Okay, But and I know this is going to sound

838
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,960
very controversial, but when I was watching it, I was like,

839
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,000
this bitch is more involved with her kid than a

840
00:39:39,039 --> 00:39:42,239
lot of parents that I freaking know. Yeah, she was away.

841
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,360
I mean, first of all, the kid wasn't well. Okay,

842
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,920
I was getting a little bit turned around because I'm like,

843
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,719
the kid was saying to his diary or whatever, I

844
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,960
need help, Like my mom won't help me. But the

845
00:39:57,039 --> 00:40:00,519
mom genuinely, there's a lot of text messages. Every time

846
00:40:00,519 --> 00:40:02,440
the mom found out something that was going on. She

847
00:40:02,519 --> 00:40:04,880
was like, oh my god, what's going on with him?

848
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,360
You know, how's he doing that? Because she was working

849
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,480
all the time. Her dad was like the stay at

850
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,519
home dat you were driving her dash, right, But the

851
00:40:13,639 --> 00:40:17,039
mom was very aware of like and very worried about

852
00:40:17,039 --> 00:40:19,079
her kid and constantly going like what are we going

853
00:40:19,159 --> 00:40:21,840
to do and trying to figure out whether to keep

854
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,679
him at home. Then there were some text messages between

855
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,360
that mom and another mom who also had to fuck

856
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,760
a kid who was fucking right, and those two moms

857
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,079
were kind of talking and they're like, maybe we could

858
00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:35,039
get our kids together now. Granted you know, I'm no

859
00:40:35,159 --> 00:40:38,719
gun fans. That's and and they were taking the kids

860
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,920
to the gun range and all this stuff, and I

861
00:40:41,039 --> 00:40:43,119
get it, and that's wrong and she should have been

862
00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:47,719
held accountable. But it's not that she was totally unaware

863
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,239
or trying. I think in her mind she was like,

864
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,960
this kid loves guns and he likes going to the

865
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,719
gun range, so I here's something he's interested in. And

866
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,840
she was very aware. She was texting him all the time.

867
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,960
They come back to this text where he texted her

868
00:41:04,039 --> 00:41:07,079
something like she says to him, you know, if there's

869
00:41:07,159 --> 00:41:09,519
anything bothering you, you can always talk to me and

870
00:41:09,559 --> 00:41:11,840
I won't judge you. And he was like, thanks, Mom,

871
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,239
I know, I know, I love you. And then they're like,

872
00:41:14,599 --> 00:41:18,840
can you believe she didn't text him back, like, okay, yeah,

873
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,159
she If it was the other way and they were

874
00:41:21,199 --> 00:41:23,920
constantly texting or whatever, people would be like, ah, she

875
00:41:24,039 --> 00:41:25,480
was way too involved with him.

876
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't know, I felt kind of bad.

877
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 2: I know what you're saying, I know, as a mom,

878
00:41:31,199 --> 00:41:33,679
Like and oh, they said, oh, so there was some

879
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,679
text where he was saying, you know, the house is

880
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,800
haunted and there's demons in the house or whatever, and

881
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,199
they're throwing clothes across the room or whatever. And the

882
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,840
mom didn't overreact to that, and I was like, well,

883
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,920
that's kind of fucked up, Like this kid is saying

884
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,960
he's hearing voices. But the truth was he was never

885
00:41:51,039 --> 00:41:54,559
saying to the mom, I'm hearing voices. He was hearing voices,

886
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,920
and he said in his diary like, I think I'm

887
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,239
going to tell my mom he never did the thing

888
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:04,320
that he so when they were cross examining her and

889
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,679
they're like, but what about the fact that, like he said,

890
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,840
he was saying there's demons in the house or whatever,

891
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,679
And she goes, I know, but you have to understand

892
00:42:14,119 --> 00:42:16,159
that we've lived, we live in this old house.

893
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: And from the time that he was like for years

894
00:42:18,519 --> 00:42:20,400
before that, he was.

895
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 2: Having jokes that like, our house is haunted, like he

896
00:42:23,079 --> 00:42:25,920
thought our house was haunted, which maybe it was, but

897
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,039
and then she goes, one time, I even kind of

898
00:42:28,039 --> 00:42:29,800
fucked with him like he was having he would have

899
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,920
his friends over and they would do like Ouiji board

900
00:42:32,639 --> 00:42:34,320
and she goes and one time I like cut the

901
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,920
lights like and he was like, oh my god, our

902
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,840
house is really haunted. And I was thinking kind of

903
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,280
sounds like something like I might do. She because she

904
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,599
said it was not a big deal. It wasn't like

905
00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:48,519
something that was tormenting him. It was like kind of

906
00:42:48,559 --> 00:42:52,760
a family lore like house haunted, right, And she felt

907
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,679
that he was kind of along those lines, and she

908
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,719
said it wasn't like he was doing it all the time.

909
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,440
It's like once in a while he'd be like like, oh,

910
00:43:00,519 --> 00:43:03,440
the ghost is here, throwing clothes across the room. And

911
00:43:03,599 --> 00:43:06,119
he wasn't like, mom helped me. I don't know.

912
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 3: So he never said to his mom I want to

913
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,719
I want to go to a doctor.

914
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 2: I needed He only wrote it, as far as the

915
00:43:13,039 --> 00:43:17,360
mom says, he never actually said. He claimed that he

916
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,760
told his mom I need help. I need to see

917
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,440
a doctor, and that she laughed at him. But if

918
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,960
you hear all the text messages between her and her husband,

919
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,599
she never was like, oh, it's ridiculous. He's fine, he's

920
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,639
you know. She was thinking that it was something else

921
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,639
was going on like whatever, and she was trying to

922
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,639
discipline him. She was like took his phone away at

923
00:43:38,639 --> 00:43:41,559
one point because he wasn't doing his geometry homework. Does

924
00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:44,079
that sound like a mom who like doesn't care? She

925
00:43:44,199 --> 00:43:47,360
was trying to figure out. There's many texts where she's

926
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,719
like I'm not sure what to do, like what do

927
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,599
we take what do we take away from him? And

928
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,159
she was disciplining him, and she was trying to hold

929
00:43:55,639 --> 00:43:58,440
the gun range as like okay, if you don't pick

930
00:43:58,519 --> 00:44:00,280
up your grade, but you're not going to the gun

931
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,800
range anymore. She was trying to think of stuff he's into.

932
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,840
I don't think he ever told her he was hearing

933
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,079
voices that he wanted to kill people, that he was

934
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,400
writing it somewhere that he was going to shoot up

935
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,280
the school, but he did not. I do not believe

936
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,960
based on her text messages. But it's like it's hard

937
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,119
what happened that day when he did shoot this, So

938
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:23,000
here's what happened.

939
00:44:23,519 --> 00:44:24,199
Speaker 1: Happened happen.

940
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 2: He was making some really disturbing drawings. Okay, so this

941
00:44:30,039 --> 00:44:33,360
is where she wasn't taking it seriously enough. So the

942
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:37,960
drawings were super disturbing. But here's the thing. The resource

943
00:44:38,559 --> 00:44:42,320
person at the school called the parents and was like, hey,

944
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,199
can you come to the school. And the mom was like, well,

945
00:44:45,199 --> 00:44:47,519
I'm at work. I'm like thirty minutes away. Can you

946
00:44:47,559 --> 00:44:51,440
call his dad? Now? I think they sent her the

947
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,480
picture of what it looked like. It was fucked up.

948
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,920
She was very disturbed by it. She texts the dad

949
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,559
and she's like, oh, my fucking god, this is what

950
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,639
he was drawing on his whatever notebook. So the dad

951
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,760
is the one goes into school maybe okay, So when

952
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,599
she gets the picture and sees the picture, she's like, oh,

953
00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:12,760
holy shit, I'm coming to.

954
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:13,519
Speaker 1: She goes to school.

955
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:15,639
Speaker 2: They go to the school and they're both there. Yeah,

956
00:45:15,639 --> 00:45:19,159
they're both there. This is but they're only there for

957
00:45:19,199 --> 00:45:22,599
like fifteen minutes. The guy testifies, who's the person who

958
00:45:22,639 --> 00:45:25,960
called them in. He never said you need to take

959
00:45:26,039 --> 00:45:29,360
him home, he said, And the thing was not like,

960
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,079
oh my god, he's going to shoot up a school.

961
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,239
They were worried that he was depressed and had suicidal ideation.

962
00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:38,840
So she made the decision. The kid did not want

963
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,199
to leave school. If you're a mom and I'm going

964
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,840
to put myself in this mom's place, just as far

965
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,239
as like the cheating on John and like being an

966
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,280
adult friend finder, as far as that goes. I related, Yeah,

967
00:45:52,119 --> 00:45:56,239
she's thinking he does better. He does worse when he's

968
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,719
home isolated by himself. We're both at work right now.

969
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,199
We can't go get him like therapy this minute, and

970
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:07,039
we're not seeing it as being the emergency. The school

971
00:46:07,199 --> 00:46:10,559
never said this is a five alarm fire. You need

972
00:46:10,599 --> 00:46:12,559
to get him out of school right now, do not

973
00:46:12,599 --> 00:46:15,000
pass go. They gave him some rec they gave the

974
00:46:15,079 --> 00:46:18,440
parents resources. They're like, here's some places you really get therapy.

975
00:46:18,599 --> 00:46:20,519
You should probably look into it in the next like

976
00:46:20,559 --> 00:46:24,360
forty eight hours. And they were questioning him. They're like,

977
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,360
did you suggest that they take him home? And he's like, well,

978
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,599
I said it's an option, but the kid wanted to

979
00:46:30,639 --> 00:46:32,840
stay at school, and the mom thought it would be

980
00:46:33,039 --> 00:46:35,119
if the kid wanted to stay at school, the mom

981
00:46:35,159 --> 00:46:37,119
thought that was the better option since he was like

982
00:46:37,639 --> 00:46:40,440
around his friends. They didn't know he had the gun,

983
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,039
right They found that out after Yeah, my dad came

984
00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:45,800
home and found the gun was missing, and they found

985
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,239
the bullets were missing, and then they were like, oh shit,

986
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:52,920
this And the mom was describing how she thought. She

987
00:46:53,199 --> 00:46:54,960
never thought like, oh my god, he went and shot

988
00:46:55,039 --> 00:46:57,880
up at school because she didn't know these other warning signs.

989
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,199
She thought he was unhappy and kind of depressed, and

990
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,039
he had this one friend who was also kind of

991
00:47:02,039 --> 00:47:04,559
like a fuck up, who had moved out of state.

992
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember this grandparent has died.

993
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, he wasn't saying I'm hearing voices, I'm feeling violent.

994
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,599
You never told anybody that. I really believe that. So

995
00:47:14,639 --> 00:47:18,960
the mom is like, oh my god, maybe he took

996
00:47:19,039 --> 00:47:21,159
the gun. And then they found out there was a shooting.

997
00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:24,000
But in her mind, and I believe her the way

998
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,480
she she was like, I never thought, oh my k

999
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,599
my son. People at school. She thought something could have

1000
00:47:31,639 --> 00:47:34,599
happened to him. He maybe he shot the gun outside

1001
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:39,079
and they were a big warning. And then she was

1002
00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:41,599
worried that he had tried to kill himself because she'd

1003
00:47:41,639 --> 00:47:45,000
heard he was like suicidal. So she texted him, don't

1004
00:47:45,039 --> 00:47:49,280
do it, you know, I mean, then some fucked up

1005
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:53,000
stuff happened after where they ran away, say don't do it.

1006
00:47:53,039 --> 00:47:55,239
When she texted him when she found out there'd been

1007
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,760
a school shooting, she thought he was going to kill himself.

1008
00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:59,360
She was like well here, she thought it was the

1009
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,159
shooters when she started to think it was him because

1010
00:48:03,159 --> 00:48:05,079
she still didn't know that he killed anybody.

1011
00:48:05,119 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 3: Because the dad got an alert that this there was

1012
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,239
a shooting at the school, and he went home and

1013
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,199
looked to see the gun's gone.

1014
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,199
Speaker 2: And then he was like he called nine one one

1015
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,880
and was like, Mike, there's a shooting at my kid's

1016
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,360
school and he has a gun.

1017
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 3: Oh So when she says don't do it, she's thinking

1018
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:20,920
he's going to kill himself.

1019
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: Yes, oh wow.

1020
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 2: So really how they should have been? Her defenser word

1021
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,480
was like messed up. Like they ran away like they

1022
00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:33,559
were trying to you know, they went on the lamb,

1023
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:38,199
but even that was like the people were after them,

1024
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,719
like they you know, and they I think they were

1025
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:42,719
scared because their son just shot at the school they

1026
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,159
had they wanted to get out. I guess what I'm

1027
00:48:45,199 --> 00:48:50,039
saying is I've seen, and we've talked literally talked about

1028
00:48:50,119 --> 00:48:53,920
on this podcast. I've seen my own friends, my own

1029
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:59,320
my kids friends have much worse less caring, parent parental

1030
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,679
yeah than I I feel like, yeah, they were not

1031
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,280
perfect and she was cheating on her husband or whatever,

1032
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,400
but like from everything that I could tell I don't

1033
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:11,400
know what I would have done that differently, Like you

1034
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,239
get your kid's help when it seems like an emergency

1035
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,079
and they really need help, you know what I mean?

1036
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,159
But I think she, I mean, maybe she could have

1037
00:49:19,159 --> 00:49:20,639
gotten her kid therapy. I don't know if the kid

1038
00:49:20,639 --> 00:49:24,639
would have told the therapist right that. So they both

1039
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,880
went to jail. They're all in jail, all three, all

1040
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:33,159
three of them. Wow, but what did she what did

1041
00:49:33,199 --> 00:49:37,639
they go to jail? Was it negligent homicide? Like, no,

1042
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:41,599
it was, yeah, it was because I could see it

1043
00:49:41,639 --> 00:49:47,559
wasn't murder, but it was yeah, like manslaughter manslaughter. Yeah,

1044
00:49:47,639 --> 00:49:49,880
I think were negligent.

1045
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was next the less of everything.

1046
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,199
Speaker 2: They felt like they were negligent parents and they didn't

1047
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,920
do they didn't prevent it, right. I just feel like

1048
00:49:58,039 --> 00:50:01,000
I feel like it's such a nebulous it was. There

1049
00:50:01,039 --> 00:50:03,559
was a lot of gray area, and I do feel

1050
00:50:03,639 --> 00:50:06,480
like even though the defense attorneys sucked, at one point

1051
00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:10,199
she was like, this could happen to any of us. Yeah,

1052
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,440
we are doing our best, And I was like, she

1053
00:50:12,519 --> 00:50:15,840
does kind of have a point, evene She's cray right, right.

1054
00:50:17,039 --> 00:50:21,159
Speaker 1: Was she either the attorney for her or for him, didn't.

1055
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,800
Speaker 2: I don't know. I didn't see his trial side. Okay,

1056
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,639
I feel like he's even less culpable. Well he was he, yeah,

1057
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:31,559
I know, because I don't think he really knew what

1058
00:50:31,639 --> 00:50:33,599
was going. I think there was not a lot of

1059
00:50:33,599 --> 00:50:34,400
text messages.

1060
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,760
Speaker 3: From what I remember, I don't think between him and

1061
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,280
the Sun, it was more the mom was like on

1062
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,400
top of the sun, right, trying to help the sun.

1063
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,119
Speaker 2: I mean, should they have been buying their son who's

1064
00:50:46,159 --> 00:50:47,199
depressed a gun.

1065
00:50:47,079 --> 00:50:49,280
Speaker 3: Well, that's the other thing they know, and they didn't

1066
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:50,599
lock it up, you know.

1067
00:50:52,119 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 2: Yes, of course I'm very much against that. Yeah, but

1068
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,920
people are into freaking gun culture, and this kid.

1069
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 1: Was especially up there, yeah, out there.

1070
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,679
Speaker 2: It reminded me though, of and I talked about this

1071
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,159
so long ago. This was during COVID, so that long ago.

1072
00:51:07,559 --> 00:51:10,519
But remember that freaking crazy kid that Xander went on

1073
00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:12,639
a playdate at the guy's house, at the kid's house,

1074
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,519
and they were I mean, this kid was even younger.

1075
00:51:16,519 --> 00:51:19,079
Because this was middle school. This would have been like,

1076
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,719
I want to say, sixth grade, yeah, seventh grade. It

1077
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:27,480
would have been set seventh grade. And that kid the

1078
00:51:27,559 --> 00:51:30,559
parents had bought him a gun, remember, and he and

1079
00:51:30,599 --> 00:51:32,679
he was talking about his gun and they saw like

1080
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,280
a commercial on TV and the mom goes, that's like

1081
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,599
your gun. And we remember and the kid was like

1082
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,880
really rude and weird and anti social to Xander. And

1083
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,679
the mom was a big fan of Adam Corolla. Oh god, yeah,

1084
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,079
big big fan. But I remember we picked him up

1085
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,400
and I was so desperate for him to have friends,

1086
00:51:54,519 --> 00:51:56,559
and the mom and I were like, we should get

1087
00:51:56,599 --> 00:51:59,039
them together for Halloween, remember, and then we leave and

1088
00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:02,079
Xander goes, oh, hell no, I do not want to

1089
00:52:02,119 --> 00:52:05,440
see this kid ever again. I just remember some of

1090
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,880
those classic playdates that he had back then, Like some

1091
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,760
of the kids were just so what kids played video

1092
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,119
games the whole time and wouldn't Xander have a turn?

1093
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,639
But when Xander like sat down at his drum set

1094
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:18,920
and he goes, you can't get off my drum set

1095
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,360
or whatever. If you break that, it costs three thousand

1096
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,440
dollars or so that's right, and Xander was like, oh

1097
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,639
my god. And I don't think Xander had a phone,

1098
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:30,199
so or maybe he did. And then he texted me

1099
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:31,840
and he was like, please come get me.

1100
00:52:32,079 --> 00:52:37,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what happened to Burbank Dad. Remember that kid

1101
00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:40,480
airport dad.

1102
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:42,599
Speaker 2: I don't know what ended up. I don't know what's

1103
00:52:42,639 --> 00:52:44,320
become of that. What was that The kid was at

1104
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,000
burbank and asked you got and then texted Xander and

1105
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,400
said could your parent? Could I get it picked up?

1106
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,679
Because his dad was The dad was asleep?

1107
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:56,159
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, yeah, oh I got. I mean how

1108
00:52:56,199 --> 00:52:57,719
come that that? Kids?

1109
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 2: Like it would have if that kid shot up a school,

1110
00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:02,760
I'd be like, yeah, these fucking parents were night marre,

1111
00:53:03,519 --> 00:53:06,760
Like you're sleeping your kids alone at an airport.

1112
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and your fell asleep.

1113
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 2: But these parents were like much in constant contact with

1114
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,960
their kids. It's like, well, you didn't return his text

1115
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,360
for thirty minutes. It's like, well, okay, do you.

1116
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: Return your kids texts immediately or you're a bad parent. Yeah,

1117
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:21,360
I don't know.

1118
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,679
Speaker 2: I would love for you to listen to this last

1119
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:25,519
episode so we could discuss.

1120
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I remember that case very pretty detailed. It's

1121
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:30,559
a two parter. I listen to it.

1122
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, so court Junkie or Junkie Jennifer Crumblely just go

1123
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,239
back to like, yeah, Jennifer Crumbley, Yeah that was the

1124
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,400
mom's Yeah, how long did they go to jail. Do

1125
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:45,079
we know, I don't know, a long time, I think, yeah,

1126
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,559
well I think it was like fifteen years or something.

1127
00:53:47,679 --> 00:53:49,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's kind of.

1128
00:53:49,519 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 2: A freaking long time because your son was a school shooter, right, Like,

1129
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,639
I mean I don't know, Yeah, I don't know.

1130
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,119
Speaker 1: I want to hear people's thoughts on that, all right.

1131
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,760
Speaker 2: I love whenever junkie end, she's always like, I'd love

1132
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:03,519
to hear your opinion on it. Like, just go to

1133
00:54:03,559 --> 00:54:06,320
my Instagram page and always like, bitch, I'm listening to

1134
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,400
something from five years ago. Like I'm not going to

1135
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,079
go back in your feed and find out what people thought, right,

1136
00:54:11,159 --> 00:54:11,519
but like.

1137
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,639
Speaker 1: How about something for people who are just now listening

1138
00:54:13,679 --> 00:54:15,199
exactly exactly?

1139
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,639
Speaker 2: So that's what I'm doing on our Facebook page and

1140
00:54:17,679 --> 00:54:19,239
total me. I can't wait to hear what people think

1141
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,920
about my Yeah, cap, well, sure, I'm in sure. I

1142
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:24,679
got a lot of stuff. Well you think she's she's

1143
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:26,440
innocent one hundred percent.

1144
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 1: Yes, you've totally tryed. I mean it seems like there's proof. Yeah,

1145
00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:31,440
there's a lot of shape.

1146
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,199
Speaker 2: There was always stuff that I couldn't explain about the

1147
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:38,320
text between the police butt dials. The butt dials, there's

1148
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:39,880
always a lot of stuff that I was like, well,

1149
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:41,920
I can't explain that, but it's I've got a.

1150
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:43,039
Speaker 1: Turtlele like explains it.

1151
00:54:43,079 --> 00:54:45,639
Speaker 3: He breaks it down, like one calls the other one

1152
00:54:45,639 --> 00:54:47,639
and then the other one was for twenty three seconds,

1153
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,039
and it's like all you need is twenty three seconds

1154
00:54:50,039 --> 00:54:52,360
to gay like hey they're coming or she's you know whatever.

1155
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:52,679
Speaker 2: Phone.

1156
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it, you know, And yeah, I mean it's

1157
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:58,239
it's a lot that's going to come out.

1158
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. Why was that guy that was Brian higgtt Why

1159
00:55:01,519 --> 00:55:02,639
was he smashing his phone?

1160
00:55:03,119 --> 00:55:05,599
Speaker 1: He he got rid of his phone. He took it.

1161
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,199
Speaker 2: He took it to a military base. Yeah, he said

1162
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:09,320
on he said, because.

1163
00:55:09,079 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 3: I wanted to get a new phone and I was

1164
00:55:10,519 --> 00:55:13,039
just making a cut through on my way to work

1165
00:55:13,079 --> 00:55:14,039
through the military base.

1166
00:55:14,039 --> 00:55:14,599
Speaker 1: So I threw it.

1167
00:55:14,679 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 3: I threw it out there because I got a new

1168
00:55:16,519 --> 00:55:19,719
phone and turtle turtle boys like look at my closet.

1169
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:21,840
I got all my old phones. Who throws away their

1170
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,119
old phones? There's pictures and shit like wow at a

1171
00:55:24,159 --> 00:55:24,960
military base.

1172
00:55:25,039 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1173
00:55:25,519 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 1: Also you probably trade it in, right, he's his excuse

1174
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was I got a new phone?

1175
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:33,320
Speaker 2: Still fuck that?

1176
00:55:33,639 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 1: Yeah?

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00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 2: Anyway, Okay, let's say hi to our We already did

1178
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,800
our shout outs, except for Adam's got a car, don't

1179
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,880
forget about Adam. Yes, and Katie's rolling on E and

1180
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,679
Chris to get the strap, Sandra's nudasy being green, Aaron,

1181
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:48,000
you're a dirty Sanchez. Leslie, stop coughing like me. Get

1182
00:55:48,039 --> 00:55:51,119
onto antibiotics. Alicia Sclante from the City of El Monte.

1183
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:54,719
Kelly Brandt, shee'ez your aunt Yep, she'll take you down.

1184
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,239
Got to go, Rebecca a little bit podcast week Listen,

1185
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Boje Pey so Missy and Gabby.

1186
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Speaker 3: Yeah them they're they're in Boston right now, trying to

1187
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get to the bottom of.

1188
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,679
Speaker 2: It, hopefully. Yeah, Katerina, check that Mueller. Valerie hits out

1189
00:56:09,679 --> 00:56:12,079
of the park. Probably you live your pancakes. Rita's rocking

1190
00:56:12,119 --> 00:56:15,559
that bass yet with all of Elizabeth Williamson's one hundred kids, Nikki,

1191
00:56:15,639 --> 00:56:19,599
call your girl, Dick be frolicking. We love you, Thank

1192
00:56:19,639 --> 00:56:20,320
you everybody.

1193
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Speaker 1: You're a parent now, don't f it up that Angels