1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Set. Apparently Doom's plot or one of his plots or 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:08,160 story whatever, He's going after people who have caused incursions, 3 00:00:08,519 --> 00:00:12,560 and the list so far would include Monica Rambo, Doctor Strange, 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:16,120 Steve Rogers, Peter Parker, scart Witch, and stay with Me 5 00:00:16,719 --> 00:00:19,839 Venom Because if you think about it, you know, Vanam 6 00:00:19,879 --> 00:00:22,320 Noah Homie went there. So what do you think about 7 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,160 that as far as like, Okay, the world's are collapsing, 8 00:00:25,199 --> 00:00:27,199 there's a bunch of stuff going on, and Doom's idea, 9 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,039 like it almost sounds like He's gonna go around taking 10 00:00:30,079 --> 00:00:33,039 these characters out to maybe stop these incursions. I don't know, 11 00:00:33,079 --> 00:00:34,520 but what do you think about that as far as 12 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,560 that would be you know, kind of like Thanos, where 13 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:38,920 oh my idea is to save the world. We're gonna 14 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,880 make it half. This kind of gives doctor Duma somewhat 15 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:43,560 good guy point of view because like, well, I'm just 16 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,079 trying to help, because I'm trying to stop these people 17 00:00:46,079 --> 00:00:49,119 that have caught like went back in time they shouldn't have, 18 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:50,759 or went to a different universe and they shouldn't have. 19 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:52,759 Like how do you feel about that as a log 20 00:00:52,799 --> 00:00:54,960 line for Doom potentially in a Doom's Day. 21 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's been interesting to think about like 22 00:00:58,079 --> 00:01:00,359 how does this And obviously I don't have like comic 23 00:01:00,399 --> 00:01:03,240 book background and just dig through like the past stories, 24 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,760 but thinking about like, okay, how how is this gonna 25 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,879 be a two parter for Avengers? Like how does the 26 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:10,959 Secret Wars part connect with Doomsday? And I guess there 27 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,480 could be something to do with that where like Doomsday 28 00:01:13,719 --> 00:01:16,239 is you know, part of that isn't him being fullen villain? 29 00:01:16,239 --> 00:01:18,200 And maybe Secret Wars is more of that kind of thing. 30 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,159 So interesting idea. Can you toss me that list one 31 00:01:22,159 --> 00:01:22,519 more time? 32 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: So Monica Rambou So obviously that happened in even though 33 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,599 I've only watched the Marvels once, I felt like she 34 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:32,040 didn't cause it. Yeah, but like remember there's like an 35 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,879 incursion happening and then she does. I'm like, I'm gonna 36 00:01:34,879 --> 00:01:36,519 go save us, and she goes. But maybe I'm wrong, 37 00:01:36,519 --> 00:01:39,280 Maybe I'm missmambing that happened. Maybe it was her powers. 38 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,640 Does anyone in the chat remember how the incursion happens 39 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,159 in Marvels. Maybe it was just her powers and we're forgetting, 40 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,840 but she like sacrifices herself and that's how she ends 41 00:01:47,879 --> 00:01:50,359 up in the X Men world, right, Ah, yes, yeah, 42 00:01:50,719 --> 00:01:52,680 Strange is always messing with stuff, like I feel like 43 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,560 multiple times he's done something. Well even then too, because 44 00:01:55,599 --> 00:02:00,239 remember Cleia, she says like what it says the word incursion. Yeah, 45 00:02:00,239 --> 00:02:02,680 and I can't remember what he did to cause it, 46 00:02:02,719 --> 00:02:05,040 but like he did something Rogers, we know what he 47 00:02:05,079 --> 00:02:07,079 did there. He went back, like he said where he 48 00:02:07,079 --> 00:02:09,280 wasn't supposed to write with Peggy. That's gonna be the one. 49 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:10,719 I think they haven't said that, but I just feel 50 00:02:10,719 --> 00:02:13,599 like that's the You were supposed to drop these stones 51 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:15,599 off and come back. You weren't supposed to stay there 52 00:02:15,719 --> 00:02:19,479 and enjoy your time. Peter Parker. Obviously that was No 53 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,280 Way Home Venom. That was like Noaing Home in Scarlett, 54 00:02:22,319 --> 00:02:24,639 which I'm not sure what that could be. 55 00:02:24,719 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 2: Maybe could argue to the as their kids, It's. 56 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,199 Speaker 1: True even creating those kids. You might argue that could 57 00:02:30,199 --> 00:02:33,240 have caused them and bounced right, which is It's funny 58 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:38,319 because I feel like I remember when we when we 59 00:02:38,319 --> 00:02:41,560 were reviewed back in the day, Meetairker, when we reviewed 60 00:02:41,599 --> 00:02:43,879 Wanta Vision, and if you remember, Wanta Vision was the 61 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,039 same year No Way Home was coming up, So when 62 00:02:47,039 --> 00:02:49,280 he she did all that stuff. I remember all of 63 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,479 us like, oh, that's how Toby Andrew get here. That's 64 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,280 the villains, because clearly it's gonna be this ripple. But 65 00:02:55,319 --> 00:02:58,879 then in each movie those never happened. It was always 66 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,400 someone like it was the a new character breaking the 67 00:03:01,479 --> 00:03:04,400 multiverse rules or the timeline. So that's one thing I 68 00:03:04,479 --> 00:03:07,159 like in like a like in a storyline way of 69 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,280 like none of this was actually planned, but if you 70 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,280 do it this way, it kind of makes it look 71 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,719 like it was planned, Like, hey, doctor Doom, saw what's 72 00:03:14,759 --> 00:03:17,240 going on, and you guys are abusing it. My only 73 00:03:17,319 --> 00:03:19,479 hang up, though, is where I'm lost on this working 74 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,479 if it's true, is with Thanos. His plan was, hey, 75 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:24,400 to make the universe better. We got a half it. 76 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,240 But then obviously that's like, well that's a moral, like 77 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:31,759 you're killing billions of people, right, I need to know 78 00:03:31,879 --> 00:03:35,879 why what's the villain hook for Doom? Because to me, 79 00:03:36,159 --> 00:03:38,240 if they go, hey, Steve Rogers, you going in the 80 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,639 past calls an incursion that could kill bunch of people, 81 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,680 you have to die. Now. I can't say Doom's like 82 00:03:44,919 --> 00:03:46,840 wrong in that right, because it's just Steve being very 83 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:48,879 selfish not saying he doesn't deserve it, but it's like 84 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,599 if you're if you're causing this, you kind of have 85 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,560 to you have to go away. So that's what I'm 86 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,159 trying to wait, Like what is unless there's a way 87 00:03:57,159 --> 00:03:58,680 where the heroes can not die? 88 00:03:58,879 --> 00:04:01,639 Speaker 2: So kind of just discussed on Loki right in terms 89 00:04:01,639 --> 00:04:03,039 of having like the what do they call it, the 90 00:04:03,039 --> 00:04:05,639 Golden Timeline or whatever it was, and trying to like 91 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,840 snip the other yes passages because like there's only this one, 92 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,360 but like a sacred timeline. Yeah, the sacred Timeline. There 93 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,680 you go, Like kind of just comes down to perspective 94 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:15,400 and in terms of what you think is right. I mean, 95 00:04:15,439 --> 00:04:17,639 I guess if there's like this theory that if they 96 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,720 just let it go crazy that eventually it all crash 97 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:21,879 and everyone will die, well obviously want to avoid that. 98 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,439 So it's like, yeah, why would Steve be allowed to 99 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:25,920 do this when like other people cannot. 100 00:04:25,959 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: So I feel like Steve would sacrifice himself too. If 101 00:04:28,399 --> 00:04:30,639 you're to say, hey, like everyone, let's say they just 102 00:04:30,639 --> 00:04:32,720 come and say, hey, that universe you came from, everyone's 103 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:33,959 gonna die if you don't do this. 104 00:04:34,079 --> 00:04:36,759 Speaker 2: He'd be like, I got one more week with her 105 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:38,920 die happy with that? 106 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, unless, like I said, unless, to me, the 107 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:46,360 only pitches that whether it's strange or somebody has a 108 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,120 pitch where hey, we can fix the incursions without having 109 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,000 to kill people, and Doom's method is like I'm just 110 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,120 gonna kill people. That's how I think maybe they'll do 111 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,240 the villain side, as the hero say hey, we could 112 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:01,079 save everybody and stop the incursions, where Doom's gonna say like, 113 00:05:01,319 --> 00:05:03,959 let's not risk that, Let's just kill these people and 114 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:05,879 just take them out right away, you know, which is 115 00:05:06,199 --> 00:05:08,839 again some similar vibes to infinnie War and whatnot. But 116 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:10,439 you know it's I think that's gonna happen. 117 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:12,879 Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, But going back to what you said 118 00:05:12,879 --> 00:05:15,680 there of like all these yeah, rather than it being 119 00:05:15,759 --> 00:05:18,040 one event that seemingly opened the multiverse and got us 120 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,519 into the multiverse saga, you're right, it was super messy, 121 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,240 and that's like, yeah, ultimately, yeah, fig he's there, he's 122 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,720 the Watcher, he's overseen everything, and he's like putting his 123 00:05:25,759 --> 00:05:28,000 little fingers and stuff. But like, ultimately, these movies are 124 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,279 written by different people and directed by different people, and 125 00:05:30,319 --> 00:05:32,839 so everyone is probably just given the directive like, oh, yeah, 126 00:05:32,879 --> 00:05:35,279 make a time, you know, bust open the timeline in 127 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:36,560 some way, and they all kind of go at it 128 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,600 in a different way, but specifically in the case of 129 00:05:39,639 --> 00:05:42,120 Doctor Strangers as makes me curious of like clear having 130 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,120 that line of like, oh, we got to go fix 131 00:05:44,199 --> 00:05:46,839 the mistake, you bit of creating this incursion. And so 132 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,480 it's like I always assumed that was just like a 133 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,600 setup for the next Doctor Strange. But if that was 134 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,560 all the way back then the set like actually a 135 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,560 setup for what was then Kang Dynasty and has now 136 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,399 been like reworked to dosday, that is very smarting cool. 137 00:06:01,199 --> 00:06:03,279 And even if it was intended for Doctor Strange and 138 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,879 they're like, you want we can actually pivot this and 139 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,800 I can actually like kind of segue into Doomsday, is 140 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,079 also kind of nice and kind of convenient and cool. 141 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,519 So I don't know, it sounds like, yeah, if they 142 00:06:14,519 --> 00:06:16,279 make this all work, sure, I think it will be 143 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:18,839 messy no matter what I mean. Obviously, what do we 144 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:20,439 I don't even know what phase wrong. That's how messy 145 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,759 things have gotten. It's like four there you go, But like, 146 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,759 oh yeah, Thunderbolts ended phase five? What yeah, I have 147 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,360 to do it with anything. You know, it's extremely random. 148 00:06:30,439 --> 00:06:33,680 But uh yeah, so it's it's all very messy, but 149 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,199 I'm curious to see how it all comes together. I guess, 150 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,199 like I don't know what F four be in that 151 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,040 realm too, Like I guess they will have by the 152 00:06:41,079 --> 00:06:43,040 time they're in Doomsday in theory, if they're in A 153 00:06:43,079 --> 00:06:46,000 six months six they were like, I don't know if 154 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:47,720 I want to spoil that movie, but like there's things 155 00:06:47,759 --> 00:06:50,160 in there that are I don't know if they'd call 156 00:06:50,199 --> 00:06:52,800 it's an incursion like quote unquote, but they're doing crazy 157 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:56,120 science stuff that could seemingly cause things like that to happen. 158 00:06:56,519 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: Well, I feel like even what Doom is wanting from 159 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,879 that family, they would cause an incursion, right, you'd think 160 00:07:03,519 --> 00:07:06,319 that that that's where maybe they kind of equal each 161 00:07:06,319 --> 00:07:08,279 other out where they don't count because he kind of 162 00:07:08,319 --> 00:07:11,160 needs their help to fix X, Y and Z. You know. 163 00:07:11,319 --> 00:07:14,279 Speaker 2: So even though I feel like a man Deadpool like 164 00:07:14,319 --> 00:07:15,160 events of those. 165 00:07:15,439 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: Dead Pol Wolverine should definitely be on But that's the 166 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,040 thing with dead Pool Wolverene. I could see them be 167 00:07:20,079 --> 00:07:22,759 on the list, But this rumor is specifically for Doomsdays. 168 00:07:22,759 --> 00:07:25,079 That's why I could see that being for Secret Wars, 169 00:07:25,079 --> 00:07:28,160 you start to dive into more of those those other. 170 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 2: As you do you think that this plot point is 171 00:07:32,199 --> 00:07:35,160 like a section of the movie where Doom is teaming 172 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,959 up with all these different people tackling these incursions, or 173 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,079 is it strictly this like doctor Strange one and that's 174 00:07:40,079 --> 00:07:43,319 the one that's like leading the whole plot of like 175 00:07:43,399 --> 00:07:44,959 that section of the movie. 176 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be all these ones, because I 177 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:52,399 could see that. I do think, unfortunately, I think it's 178 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,079 gonna have very similar vibes to Infinny War, where it 179 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:56,920 was than I was going all these different places get 180 00:07:56,959 --> 00:07:59,120 in the stones, right. I think this is Doom going 181 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,639 all these different universe versus like I think with Monica. 182 00:08:02,279 --> 00:08:04,399 I think there's no mistake that she's in the X 183 00:08:04,439 --> 00:08:06,800 Men universe and we're getting up like the Fox x 184 00:08:06,839 --> 00:08:09,839 Men universe. But we're getting them right. 185 00:08:10,199 --> 00:08:12,639 Speaker 2: But not that guy I wisered his name, the guy 186 00:08:12,639 --> 00:08:15,040 who played Beast a chair, right. 187 00:08:16,079 --> 00:08:20,079 Speaker 1: Yeah he is, well, I think so, yeah, you'll see 188 00:08:20,199 --> 00:08:27,360 Grammar Avengers chair. What a thing to search up. Let's 189 00:08:27,399 --> 00:08:29,079 see here, Yeah he is. 190 00:08:29,199 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 2: He was on a He was on a chair, So okay, 191 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,200 I was gonna say then like is that funky? But no, 192 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,639 I actually could be the perfect segue of how that 193 00:08:35,759 --> 00:08:38,360 crew gets connected with six. 194 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: So like you got them, you got F four, and 195 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,600 then you got the MC crew, which all Sam sucres 196 00:08:42,639 --> 00:08:46,759 Spider Man, uh again. But also to that list, like 197 00:08:46,759 --> 00:08:50,919 that's the thing where like the two that to me, 198 00:08:51,039 --> 00:08:53,919 all these makes sense, Peter Parker, that's easy. He's in there, Monica, 199 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,879 she's in the X Men universe, Doctor Strange, Steve Rogers 200 00:08:56,919 --> 00:08:59,000 makes sense. The two that are the interesting ones for 201 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:02,200 me are one vem because that would to me imply 202 00:09:02,279 --> 00:09:03,639 you're gonna get Tom Hardy, which. 203 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 2: I don't think is baggage there is. 204 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: But at the same time, I think it is kind 205 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:11,200 of funny if like, if we're closing the X Men universe, 206 00:09:11,279 --> 00:09:13,679 they have said they're not doing anymore Sony Spider Man 207 00:09:13,879 --> 00:09:16,639 like universe stuff right now, so that kind of could 208 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,440 kind of be a fun way to use Doom's day 209 00:09:19,519 --> 00:09:21,120 as like a way to like, oh, that's why we're 210 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:22,840 seeing more of Beaus. And that's why I'm saying it 211 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,320 because like Doom takes that out right. But yeah, and 212 00:09:25,919 --> 00:09:27,600 I don't get me wrong, I especially I don't like 213 00:09:27,639 --> 00:09:30,440 those movies. I would if Figers sit me down and 214 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,120 be like, hey, do you think Tom Hardy would add 215 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,480 any numbers of the box office as Venom would say, yeah, 216 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,960 he would, right, like I think people do like him, 217 00:09:37,039 --> 00:09:39,960 so yeah. And then but that so that one's curious 218 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:41,399 as far as k what happens there. But then that 219 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,919 last one Scar, which to me is curious because as 220 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,720 of right now, she's like dead, right, But I always 221 00:09:46,759 --> 00:09:49,080 thought she'd be dead and then she'd be resurrected. This 222 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,320 would infer that she's maybe already alive and out there 223 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,960 somewhere in Doom's like looking for her if he's on 224 00:09:55,039 --> 00:09:58,159 her on his hit list, right. So that's where I'm 225 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,080 not too sure how that work. Is a situation where 226 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,559 she's in a bubble somewhere, is a situation where she's 227 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:06,320 been alive for a while, just in hiding, like that's 228 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,000 what was because I know Skirt, which is going to 229 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,120 be in there. It's just that's why I'm very curious 230 00:10:10,159 --> 00:10:15,240 of how they bring her back, particularly just in the 231 00:10:15,279 --> 00:10:17,720 sense of where were left off with her right and stuff, 232 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:18,679 because I thought she would have. 233 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 2: Been back before cope, But I've always felt like she's 234 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,039 alive she was not killed by those rocks and she's 235 00:10:25,759 --> 00:10:28,840 hiding away. Maybe she's like Voldemort where she got shrunk 236 00:10:28,879 --> 00:10:32,080 down to like a baby and like grow, which not 237 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,080 actually doing that, but like something, you know, that kind 238 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,120 of idea to regain your power. 239 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to bring in. I don't think I 240 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,519 have tweet, but I have let me bring in because 241 00:10:41,519 --> 00:10:43,799 I didn't send you don't But it's a question. We 242 00:10:43,879 --> 00:10:46,080 got a patron question from John with no age, but 243 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,600 it's going to go right into what we're talking about here. 244 00:10:49,799 --> 00:10:52,399 Where can I find it? But the other part of 245 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,480 the story was okay, yeah, so, uh, this can set 246 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:57,799 up Strange team up with Doom. Wouldn't make sense if 247 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,519 Doom is after the other ones that cause incursion. Wasn't 248 00:11:00,519 --> 00:11:03,799 Strange a major participation in Newly Home? And that's what 249 00:11:03,879 --> 00:11:06,480 I wonder because that was this other rumor going around 250 00:11:06,519 --> 00:11:09,399 that in I don't know it's Doom Day or Cecret Wars, 251 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,559 but one of those that there's gonna be kind of 252 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,960 some sort of trio team up between Doom, Clear and Strange, 253 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,240 and that might post Strange as the villain. Now we 254 00:11:17,279 --> 00:11:20,039 don't know if this is like a variant of Strange, right, 255 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,440 But I think that could be the way where even 256 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:26,600 if he's on Doom's hit list, that I have more 257 00:11:26,759 --> 00:11:30,039 uses for Doctor Strange in his power set, right, he 258 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,480 might not be worth just killing. We're like Peter, you 259 00:11:32,519 --> 00:11:35,360 could just you just kill, right, like he's very powerful 260 00:11:35,399 --> 00:11:37,559 one not but like he's not opening up any portals 261 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,639 where Doctor Strange is gonna happen. And obviously the Russo 262 00:11:40,799 --> 00:11:43,440 said this was faking from the last Avengers or the 263 00:11:43,519 --> 00:11:46,919 last movie, but they're in that big concept art leak 264 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,399 that happened at the be end of this year. There 265 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:53,080 was multiple images of Doom and Strange together. So I 266 00:11:53,519 --> 00:11:54,840 think there that's gonna happen. 267 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 2: Whether it's I hope it's not a mind control thing, 268 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,559 but even if you hope, not working with Range just 269 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,120 because of his power, using it for his power and 270 00:12:03,159 --> 00:12:05,759 somehow convinces him that he needs to help for some reason. 271 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,120 I think that would be really interesting to see, especially 272 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,879 after obviously you know Doom is being played by Downey 273 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,200 and just thinking about the back and forth that Downy 274 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,080 and Cumberbatch had in Infinity War all that's like I 275 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,200 really liked their scenes together and so to have them 276 00:12:18,519 --> 00:12:20,399 working with each other still, and like you think he 277 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,639 would question that if you ever see his Doom's face, 278 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:25,159 But like, I don't know, maybe Doom just has the 279 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,000 mask on the whole time and so he can't can't 280 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:29,679 actually like see that it's Downy and be like, wait, 281 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:31,799 what's going on here? This is or maybe he used 282 00:12:31,799 --> 00:12:33,279 that to his advantage. Maybe he's like, hey, I have 283 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:37,679 Tony helped me out with that as this guy who 284 00:12:37,759 --> 00:12:41,279 sacrificed myself for everyone else, So that could be he 285 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:43,799 could use that to his advantage. I mean, I feel 286 00:12:43,799 --> 00:12:45,200 like he's got to do something like that, right If 287 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,960 he's dipping all his universes, he's probably seen that there 288 00:12:48,039 --> 00:12:49,720 is this guy that looks a whole lot like him. 289 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: I I really hope, at least with the six one 290 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,200 six characters, that's the route they go where they show 291 00:12:54,279 --> 00:12:56,120 up and he's friendly and he just seems like he's 292 00:12:56,159 --> 00:12:58,279 Iron Man, but then that switch happens and it's like, 293 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,279 oh no, even though there's I don't know, I know 294 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,080 people have had this theory because I don't know if 295 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,200 I think Downey he shared a lot of Comba covers, 296 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,000 but I think he shared one cover which was for 297 00:13:10,039 --> 00:13:14,200 a storyline of Doom controlling bodies. So some people have 298 00:13:14,279 --> 00:13:15,960 this theory, which I don't know if I like, but 299 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,000 some people have this theory that this doctor Doom is 300 00:13:19,039 --> 00:13:22,399 an iron Man variant, but Doom is taking over his 301 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,879 body so he can do that, right, so he can 302 00:13:24,919 --> 00:13:26,519 go to the six one six and be hey, I'm 303 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:29,639 your friend Tony Stark and then the future that would 304 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,399 leave room for them to cast another one. Now, don't 305 00:13:32,399 --> 00:13:34,360 get me wrong, I'm not the biggest fan that RDYJ 306 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:36,840 is doom thing, but it's kind of like what you 307 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,919 said with the mind control or bought, Like, I'd rather 308 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:41,919 just be a bad iron Man you kill off than 309 00:13:41,919 --> 00:13:43,639 you meet a Doom down the line. I don't know 310 00:13:43,639 --> 00:13:46,440 if I needed. Like, I guess that's a big goal 311 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,879 as oh there's a Doom behind everything and he's just 312 00:13:49,399 --> 00:13:52,159 using people. But I just I don't know, I just 313 00:13:52,399 --> 00:13:54,360 I you like, you know. 314 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, initially when it happened, I was not stoked with 315 00:13:57,039 --> 00:14:00,200 the downy casting, but like they already confirmed that. I 316 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:01,720 want them to do it right, you know, like I 317 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:03,519 don't want to get like a half azzed version of it. 318 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:04,320 I want it to be good. 319 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 1: So yeah, oh, and what I was gonna say because 320 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:08,799 you said something, so back on the Strange thing, I 321 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,159 just want to say because within Findy War, that movie 322 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,320 showed that he's willing to sacrifice himself give the timestone 323 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,919 to win in the end, right, So it's the same 324 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,679 way of if he has to team up, would doom 325 00:14:19,799 --> 00:14:22,039 for a little while, which who knows, and these movies 326 00:14:22,039 --> 00:14:23,879 could be like a couple of years, right, But if 327 00:14:23,879 --> 00:14:26,279 he has to do that, he will to me the 328 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:27,879 way I look at it, and I don't think it's 329 00:14:27,879 --> 00:14:29,559 gonna have the same result because I think Strange will 330 00:14:29,559 --> 00:14:31,919 survive this sagain go into the next one. But I 331 00:14:31,919 --> 00:14:35,039 think it would be a very uh Snape to Baltimore 332 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,279 situation where Snape is there, he helps him commit many 333 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:42,000 bad things, but it's to eventually give Harry Potter the 334 00:14:42,039 --> 00:14:44,600 smoking gun of the tier and then you can reveal, Okay, 335 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:46,879 x Y and Z, that's how you killed Baltimore. 336 00:14:46,919 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 2: I think it's strange to him seeing the ten million 337 00:14:49,279 --> 00:14:51,759 timelines and be like, yeah, there's a very specific way 338 00:14:51,759 --> 00:14:52,480 this has to get done. 339 00:14:52,559 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think maybe even the movie that's because 340 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,840 that'd be cool. Imagine if Doomsday ends and Doctor Strange 341 00:14:57,879 --> 00:15:01,039 turns on our heroes and they don't don't let us 342 00:15:01,039 --> 00:15:03,440 in the viewer know that he's doing that to help 343 00:15:03,519 --> 00:15:05,399 us out. But we just think, oh, man, Strange has 344 00:15:05,399 --> 00:15:08,360 turned evil. This what's wrong with the you know Steven, 345 00:15:08,399 --> 00:15:11,639 what's happened? But then in you know, Secret Wars hereials well, 346 00:15:11,679 --> 00:15:14,080 I just had to do that. So that's why I 347 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,279 think if he's with Doom, I don't think he's a 348 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,159 I don't see a universe where they just take the 349 00:15:19,159 --> 00:15:21,559 doctor Strange. We know they kill him and he's a 350 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,320 villain and then that's it. Then a come batch that 351 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,159 would be strange, but also no pun intended, but also 352 00:15:26,279 --> 00:15:27,919 one of my favorite things that we've talked about this 353 00:15:27,919 --> 00:15:31,159 before in what If, there's multiple variations where you see 354 00:15:31,159 --> 00:15:33,519 Strange does become a villain, so you can play on that, right, 355 00:15:33,759 --> 00:15:33,960 you know. 356 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's gonna like is that too? Have we seen 357 00:15:37,039 --> 00:15:38,559 that too many times? Because we got in what If? 358 00:15:38,559 --> 00:15:40,519 We got in multiverse where we saw like that other 359 00:15:40,759 --> 00:15:42,879 yeah too, right, Like we've kind of still been there, 360 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,679 done that to some extent and stuff is like our 361 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,519 six one six one, and like having him turn like 362 00:15:48,559 --> 00:15:51,759 I get rather do that than another variant of him 363 00:15:51,799 --> 00:15:52,360 being evil. 364 00:15:52,919 --> 00:15:55,039 Speaker 1: That could be. That could be because even though they're 365 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,000 kind of playing on the storyline, I think it's in 366 00:15:58,039 --> 00:16:01,559 the ultimate run where they do a story where Reid 367 00:16:02,279 --> 00:16:05,120 finds out that all the variations of him and the 368 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:08,000 multiverse are all evil except for him, and he's kind 369 00:16:08,039 --> 00:16:09,960 of like broken by that. So I wonder if they 370 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:11,519 could because I don't think we're anywhere near that with 371 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:13,759 read right now right, I wonder if they could use 372 00:16:13,799 --> 00:16:17,039 that storyline of Hey, like Steven, this is kind of 373 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,360 your destiny, like, no matter what happens, you are gonna 374 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:22,440 end up. You know it's for the greater good, but 375 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,600 you're gonna have to make some sacrifices, and they could 376 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,039 play on that, and then he makes that hero turn. 377 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,279 I was gonna say, I agree with you because multiverse madness, 378 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,200 but I guarantee you there's still a huge a percentage 379 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,240 people that I've never seen what if? Right, So for them, 380 00:16:34,279 --> 00:16:36,440 they only saw it once a multiverse madness, so it's 381 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,080 not like a tired concept where and what if he 382 00:16:39,159 --> 00:16:43,600 came back multitude of times as this demon Strange and 383 00:16:43,639 --> 00:16:46,600 the Supreme Strange and all this stuff, and it's been 384 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,639 a while, right, Multiverse madness was what twenty two, So 385 00:16:49,759 --> 00:16:52,519 at this point it's gonna be four years, so there's 386 00:16:52,519 --> 00:16:56,639 some there's some space in between that. So ye, but yeah, 387 00:16:56,679 --> 00:16:57,080 we'll see. 388 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,879 Speaker 2: It's okay, what about he's an incursion, he's ripping up in. 389 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I feel like the tough thing with him 390 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,440 is where he is. I just don't know if Doom 391 00:17:05,519 --> 00:17:07,759 can get to him. I think I agree, I know. 392 00:17:07,839 --> 00:17:09,480 I think it was last year we talked about this. 393 00:17:09,519 --> 00:17:11,480 There was those reports of Loki might be like a 394 00:17:11,599 --> 00:17:14,519 maguffin to the story. And I could see that because 395 00:17:14,559 --> 00:17:16,640 I could see it's like if if mashin, if Doom 396 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,680 can get on that chair that controls on these timelines, 397 00:17:20,599 --> 00:17:22,240 it's game over, right. So that's why I feel like 398 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,920 maybe he's gonna Maybe that's why he keeps strange of Hey, 399 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,400 I'm trying to get to Loki. I can't get to him. 400 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,119 You're gonna help me in Secret Wars find a way 401 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,279 to get to this guy because he can control everything. 402 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,480 So I think Loki would definitely be on the list. 403 00:17:34,559 --> 00:17:36,880 I think it's just that can Doom get to him? 404 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:38,920 Some said list he might be out of reach on 405 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:40,519 that chair, you know, with those horn. 406 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 2: I think, you know, probably the original, Like they've probably 407 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,279 added in a couple of these other characters in in 408 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:48,880 the mix to do these roles, probably because like a 409 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,319 Bad Baby was supposed to be a big, you know, 410 00:17:51,759 --> 00:17:53,720 doorway for this stuff. But they just probably really want 411 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:55,480 a different Like obviously he's still in this movie. We 412 00:17:55,519 --> 00:17:58,200 know he was on a chair, just him though none 413 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,799 of the other people, because right, I kind of Lily 414 00:18:00,839 --> 00:18:02,599 is like retired, right, and then his daughter's done in 415 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,279 this right, But you know, I think they just want 416 00:18:05,279 --> 00:18:07,759 to they don't want to make you have seen Quantumania 417 00:18:07,839 --> 00:18:10,599 to understand this. Yes, they don't want to dive too 418 00:18:10,599 --> 00:18:11,759 deep into that, which makes sense. 419 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, we're gonna see it's gonna be it's gonna 420 00:18:15,839 --> 00:18:17,640 be fun because soon I don't know if we're getting 421 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,119 anything at D twenty three that's happening in August, but 422 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,839 next year Comic Con that lead up, it's gonna be 423 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,839 gonna be interested see what it all happens there. So uh, 424 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:27,400 let's take our last ad break and then we're gonna 425 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,519 talk about we talk about multiverses. We're gonna talk some 426 00:18:29,599 --> 00:18:31,559 big multiverse stuff right now, so we'll be right back