Speaker 1: Like breaking news, like happening as we speak. But it's
Speaker 1: been out there for looks like about an hour now.
Speaker 1: Maybe it happened right as the show started, which you know,
Speaker 1: usually I try to keep up. I try to balance it.
Speaker 1: I try to keep my eyes on what's going on
Speaker 1: with social media news. You know a lot of times
Speaker 1: within a three hour window, you have news that breaks
Speaker 1: during the show, and you want to be able to
Speaker 1: share that news with folks that are listening. But I
Speaker 1: didn't see this right at the beginning of the hour.
Speaker 1: There's a standoff between Oklahoma State and Mike Gundy. Pete
Speaker 1: Thamil of ESPN is reporting that the Oklahoma State Administration,
Speaker 1: I guess his bosses they wanted to take a restructured
Speaker 1: contract that would include a pay cut. They have discussed
Speaker 1: firing him for cause if he doesn't agree to the
Speaker 1: new contract. And the update here since that came out
Speaker 1: about an hour ago. This is from on three Sports,
Speaker 1: that they offered him a reduced contract that would come
Speaker 1: with assurances he would that he would go all in
Speaker 1: on nil. The dollars saved on his contract would be
Speaker 1: put towards nil and revenue sharing. If Gundy does not agree,
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State will terminate his existing deal and launch a
Speaker 1: head coaching search. This is probably not the last time
Speaker 1: you're going to see something like this happen. Now his
Speaker 1: situation is a little bit different. He he's he's got
Speaker 1: to be one of the longest tenured coaches in power football.
Speaker 1: In fact, see if you can check on that for me, Austin,
Speaker 1: as far as who has been at their position the longest.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's crazy to say this, and it makes
Speaker 1: me feel really really old, between who Gandhi and who anybody?
Speaker 1: Okay college football, Yeah, I mean the longest tenured coaches.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's the I'm a man, I'm forty. That
Speaker 1: was like eighteen years ago.
Speaker 2: I mean that's and I remember that literally in middle
Speaker 2: school and I had it.
Speaker 3: I had it up ready to play.
Speaker 1: If you ever went that was that was whenever I was.
Speaker 1: I remember it was right around the time that I
Speaker 1: had just become like obsessed with sports talk radio, and
Speaker 1: I remember it became such a thing on the Jim
Speaker 1: Rome Show, and I just thought it was so funny.
Speaker 1: And I feel like that was not that long ago.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was a long long time ago. So
Speaker 1: he's got a contract that was extended not that long ago.
Speaker 1: Uh and he last year, if you remember, it looked
Speaker 1: like they were going to be terrible and he would
Speaker 1: maybe not be able to salvage it. And then they
Speaker 1: ended up breaking through and having a really good finish,
Speaker 1: and then they ran it back this year and they
Speaker 1: were one of the most disappointing teams in college football,
Speaker 1: and you could, you know, I'm sure they probably wish
Speaker 1: they did not extend him whenever they did. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure exactly when that happened. But he's you know, he's
Speaker 1: a pretty pretty stubborn. What you see is what you get, guy.
Speaker 1: And look, I shouldn't even say stubborn. If somebody's asking
Speaker 1: you to, you know, do them a favor by not
Speaker 1: wanting what they agreed to give you in a contract,
Speaker 1: like and you decide no, I'm not doing that, Like
Speaker 1: you're you're not stubborn, You're you're I wouldn't even call
Speaker 1: it standing your ground. You were doing what like you
Speaker 1: are entitled to do. And there's nothing wrong with doing that.
Speaker 1: That's like with Mark Stoops. Like even if Mark Stoops
Speaker 1: wanted to leave Kentucky like Kentucky fans want him to,
Speaker 1: he'd be foolish to walk away from that money, and
Speaker 1: only a fool would do that, So don't be mad
Speaker 1: at him for like, I can't believe he won't just
Speaker 1: walk away. He's gonna let this end nasty, and he's
Speaker 1: gonna it's gonna be well, okay, well you know who
Speaker 1: would walk away from that contract? What are we gonna say?
Speaker 3: I said, how could we forget? Iowa legend?
Speaker 2: Kirk Farrens he's right ahead of Mike Gundy, so it's him,
Speaker 2: and then it's Mike Gundy number two, and then right
Speaker 2: after that is uh uh Kyle Whittingham of uteh.
Speaker 1: Okay Stews is probably not far off from that now
Speaker 1: that I think about it, but yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: He's number seventh behind Dave Dorn and Dabo Sweeney.
Speaker 1: Makes sense. So when it comes to when I said,
Speaker 1: this won't be the first time or this won't be
Speaker 1: the last time this happens, you know, gundy situation is
Speaker 1: a little bit different because he he's been there a
Speaker 1: long time and they probably have had two different scenarios
Speaker 1: in his tenure to where they thought about, Okay, we're
Speaker 1: gonna have to do it and move on, and they
Speaker 1: didn't and now you know, they realize they're they're up
Speaker 1: against it when it comes to his contract. Now, what
Speaker 1: I'm curious about is what would they fire him for?
Speaker 1: Calls for like what we don't I mean that, that's
Speaker 1: that's what I would want to know. It's yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think you'll see schools either threaten that to get
Speaker 1: a reduced buyout or I mean, the last the last
Speaker 1: school I can think of that just tried to say,
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna claim we
Speaker 1: have cause was Yukon basketball. If you remember when they
Speaker 1: fired Kevin Ali, they had no reason to fire him
Speaker 1: other than he stunk, but that's not included in the contracts.
Speaker 1: These guys get guys like you could be a terrible coach,
Speaker 1: and if you don't break rules and you are just
Speaker 1: going to work and doing the job. Even if the
Speaker 1: job performance is terrible and you lose every game, that
Speaker 1: is not cause to fire you without you being given
Speaker 1: in every dime that is in the contract. So Kevin Ali,
Speaker 1: if you remember, he ended up suing and fighting and
Speaker 1: he won, they had to pay him every bit. So
Speaker 1: you know, maybe Oklahoma State realizes they do have something
Speaker 1: in Gundhy. To be fair, he's the kind of coach that,
Speaker 1: like nobody would really be shocked of anything that comes
Speaker 1: out of whatever they use as the cause to get
Speaker 1: rid of him and terminate his employment and claim he
Speaker 1: didn't he's not owed any money. But yeah, I don't, uh,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's made more than seventy million dollars as
Speaker 1: as their coach. And I know some people will say, well,
Speaker 1: with that, then he should just agree to take less money,
Speaker 1: Like no, I mean if he did, then you know,
Speaker 1: that would really be him doing doing the school of favor.
Speaker 1: And I know some will say, well, how much money
Speaker 1: does he need? Like you know that that was the
Speaker 1: whole thing with Stoops. That's the reason I broughtoops Ups
Speaker 1: is because I just thought it was hilarious that as
Speaker 1: things were really spiraling out of control for Kentucky this
Speaker 1: past season, there was just like this collective feeling from
Speaker 1: Kentucky fans that yeah, I just I don't know, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna be back. Where would he go? Like,
Speaker 1: what do you mean he's not gonna be back? Like
Speaker 1: you think he just wants to leave and not coach anymore.
Speaker 1: Fair enough, but he's not gonna walk away from that money.
Speaker 1: And with Mike Gundhy, same situation, Like I'm sure Oklahoma
Speaker 1: State fans are like, oh, he's gonna do this to
Speaker 1: us after he's been here this long and he's made
Speaker 1: this much money and he knows that things aren't going
Speaker 1: well and they need money for nil. Okay, Well, then
Speaker 1: blame the person who gave him the contract, Like that's
Speaker 1: what it all comes down to. So we'll see what
Speaker 1: shakes out here. But geting ugly and still water.
Speaker 4: Come after me, I'm a man, I'm forty.
Speaker 1: There are so many layers to that rant that are
Speaker 1: i mean legendary, like the come after me, I'm a man,
Speaker 1: I'm forty is what ninety nine point nine percent of
Speaker 1: people take from that long rant. But man, there's so
Speaker 1: many gems within the the whole madness of it, like, uh,
Speaker 1: the you know, it's even in our intro. I don't
Speaker 1: even know people know this or not. Did you know
Speaker 1: that the intro of this show has clips from that rant?
Speaker 3: Yes, it's literally right before he says.
Speaker 1: That who's the uh, who's the kid here?
Speaker 3: Yeah, who's the kid here?
Speaker 1: Here? You kidding me? And the best part and then
Speaker 1: he talks about.
Speaker 2: The Jonas brothers at some point there too. I remember, yeah,
Speaker 2: because he said that at all. Yeah, well, I mean
Speaker 2: he uses them as like a reference because like they
Speaker 2: were talking about like kids, you.
Speaker 1: Know, Oh okay, well he I just remember it was
Speaker 1: a I think it was a woman who was a
Speaker 1: reporter and she and what's crazy is that like she
Speaker 1: didn't looking back, she didn't do anything that isn't done
Speaker 1: every day in college sports. But at that point we
Speaker 1: were super like these are kids, you know, And and
Speaker 1: they still are technically actually they're not if they're eighteen,
Speaker 1: they're not a kid by definition, but you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like it used to be like, well, these
Speaker 1: guys are out here playing, uh, working their ass off
Speaker 1: like you shouldn't. Like there used to be a very
Speaker 1: very clear line of like, all right, well these guys
Speaker 1: aren't pros. Well, now here we in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 1: about to be twenty twenty five. It is absolutely pro
Speaker 1: sports now, and it's right in front of our face.
Speaker 1: But he was real bothered by a column that was
Speaker 1: written that didn't it wasn't personal, it was just kind
Speaker 1: of acknowledging that one of their players. I guess it
Speaker 1: was their quarterback like had struggled or something like that,
Speaker 1: and Gundy he said, who I got to read this
Speaker 1: garbage and the editor who let it in there is garbage.
Speaker 1: And then he went on to say, whoever wrote this
Speaker 1: could not be a mother of children, and I will
Speaker 1: never forget it. Jan Rome said, no, it was a
Speaker 1: mother of bears, that's who wrote it. Like, what do
Speaker 1: you talk like it was? It's up there. I've at
Speaker 1: times wanted to find a rant that is better, but
Speaker 1: that's the best of all time because there's so much
Speaker 1: within it that makes it great. But he's kind of
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of people who probably follow
Speaker 1: college football pretty closely that I guess are aware that,
Speaker 1: like he had that epic rant many many years ago.
Speaker 1: But I used to think there's no scenario that Mike
Speaker 1: Gundy will come to mind and not be what you
Speaker 1: think about. But I kind of feel like that's not
Speaker 1: the case anymore. He had a pretty hit, a pretty
Speaker 1: ugly stretch there during the pandemic, if you remember, like it.
Speaker 2: Was oh yeah, the the on network or the oh
Speaker 2: yeah yeah right wing.
Speaker 1: And I can I can respect and that's okay, I
Speaker 1: can respect, you know, somebody who's just is going to
Speaker 1: tell you, tell you what they think and be honest
Speaker 1: with you. But you also have to understand that in
Speaker 1: your position, you can't be surprised if that backfires on you.
Speaker 1: And maybe you say, well, you don't care. And if
Speaker 1: that's the case, then you know, good on you for
Speaker 1: not carmel people think. But it could also impact your livelihood.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's the guy that the Big twelve media
Speaker 1: days earlier this year, if you remember, I mean his
Speaker 1: his again, this is a perfect example of Gundhy, My
Speaker 1: Gundhy at the S at the Big twelve media day.
Speaker 1: See if you can find the CLIPBOFS then I don't
Speaker 1: even know how you'd reference it. But Gundhy Big twelve
Speaker 1: like d Ui because he was talking at the media
Speaker 1: days and Ali Gordon, their star running back who came back.
Speaker 1: It was a big deal. He did not have a
Speaker 1: great season and obviously they were very underwhelming, but he
Speaker 1: got a DUI before the season started and Gundy said
Speaker 1: he was going to discipline him but not suspend him,
Speaker 1: and then he kind of just started talking and you know,
Speaker 1: doing Gundy stuff, not realizing what he was actually saying.
Speaker 1: But he basically said what Ali Gordon did as far
Speaker 1: as you know, blowing over the legal limit, but just
Speaker 1: a little bit. I mean, Gundy said, well, I've done
Speaker 1: that a million times or a thousand times, whatever it
Speaker 1: was like. And again I think he's being directly. I
Speaker 1: think he's been absolutely honest. And in a way you're like, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: at least he's being honest, But you're like, did you
Speaker 1: really just on live TV say that like what your
Speaker 1: player got arrested for that, you know, is like a
Speaker 1: clear crime that you do it all the time, like
Speaker 1: good play? That wasn't it?
Speaker 2: But that was no, I guess it wasn't. It was
Speaker 2: just the first thing I clicked. Yeah, you got to
Speaker 2: do a better job at vetting that. I guess my bad.
Speaker 1: Let me see here, and it's not really worth it now,
Speaker 1: But I swear it was just, you know, and I
Speaker 1: thought we talked about it live on the air when
Speaker 1: it had happened, because he had said it while the
Speaker 1: show was going on and we weren't covering it or
Speaker 1: anything like that. But you know, you know, oftentimes here
Speaker 1: in fact, you never hear coaches say that I just
Speaker 1: sent you the uh, I'm gonna send you the correct
Speaker 1: clip here, unless, of course you're not on Why are
Speaker 1: you not on here? Did you? Did you block me
Speaker 1: on Twitter?
Speaker 3: Did you on Twitter?
Speaker 4: Name?
Speaker 3: I didn't think that you'd ever find out.
Speaker 4: Here we go?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 1: I sent it to you. But it was one of
Speaker 1: those things where you realized that that was very crazy
Speaker 1: for a coach to say, but because the reaction was
Speaker 1: going to be so consensus, it probably would die down
Speaker 1: and not become a big deal. And the reaction was, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's my Gundy. That's not at all a surprise that
Speaker 1: he said that. And then it was kind of over, like,
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? Cancel him? I think if
Speaker 1: he was gonna be canceled, there were some other things
Speaker 1: that probably would have already led to him, you know,
Speaker 1: getting canceled.
Speaker 6: I got it for you now, all right, let's see.
Speaker 1: I shouldn't laugh. So is that it?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably done that how many times? A thousand times
Speaker 1: in my life. And here's what's crazy is that I'm not,
Speaker 1: by any means a Mike Gundhy fan or an apologist,
Speaker 1: but there isn't There's always gonna be something regardless if
Speaker 1: you're a low life human being. And I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that he is. But I think he is very directly
Speaker 1: honest and what you see is what you get. He's
Speaker 1: completely transparent. You're never gonna get any sugarcoating of an answer.
Speaker 1: And I still think that's worth something. I mean, again,
Speaker 1: there are people who are like that that are probably
Speaker 1: awful human beings. And I'm not saying that that that's
Speaker 1: such a quality that can that can you know that
Speaker 1: can overcome somebody being a terrible, despicable human And again
Speaker 1: not saying Gundy is that. But I think it never
Speaker 1: became like a big deal because like, yeah, it's Gundhy,
Speaker 1: what do you expect, Like nobody's surprised at all that
Speaker 1: he said he's probably driven a thousand times where if
Speaker 1: he got pulled over, he'd get a dui and a
Speaker 1: lot of people listening right now probably done the same
Speaker 1: thing and know it.
Speaker 3: So it don't look at me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in a moment, it felt like, oh, this is
Speaker 1: gonna be bad, and then you're like, actually, probably not,
Speaker 1: because you know, one, it's Gundy and if anything, he's
Speaker 1: just being honest.
Speaker 2: I guess that's a good thing to look forward to
Speaker 2: whenever you turn forty, Like that's the next milestone as
Speaker 2: you can finally play that and feel one with Mike Gundy.
Speaker 3: I'm a man, I'm forty. That's like it's a.
Speaker 1: Far away from it obviously there before too long.
Speaker 2: It's not a just like a year older than me,
Speaker 2: right yeah, sure, yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't look at
Speaker 2: day over twenty nine one. No, I'm thirty one, but
Speaker 2: yeah I'm a lot on you age very well. Oh,
Speaker 2: thank you, just brown nosing a little bit.
Speaker 1: Really appreciate that, man, really appreciate it.
Speaker 3: You definitely do it works, it.
Speaker 1: Works, all right. We gotta get to a quick break.
Speaker 1: We'll come back on the other side, talk about these
Speaker 1: conference championship games this weekend, and then we will talk
Speaker 1: to doctor Eric Michaelroy of proti ephyscal Therapy who's going
Speaker 1: to join us coming up in about twenty minutes. So
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Speaker 1: reaf physcal Therapy. How are we doing aerictificate Thanksgiving? My man?
Speaker 5: Uh, yes, sir, I did. I had a great Thanksgiving.
Speaker 5: We had a little had to do some shifting around.
Speaker 5: We ended up hosting, but uh it turned out really
Speaker 5: well and you know ate too much.
Speaker 4: But how about yourself?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we we had a good time. You said you
Speaker 1: ended up hosting. I got the sense that maybe you
Speaker 1: weren't expecting to host, but you had to, so a
Speaker 1: little bit of a last minute shuffling up the schedule.
Speaker 4: It sounds like, yeah, I wouldn't say we had to.
Speaker 5: We just had some circumstances where my mother in law
Speaker 5: usually hosts.
Speaker 4: And out of town, and.
Speaker 5: You know, my just to make a long story short,
Speaker 5: she was having to help take care of my niece
Speaker 5: and nephew and they're really young and became more stressful.
Speaker 4: So we just we said, look, we'll we'll do it here.
Speaker 5: Just bring the kids to us and we'll have everybody
Speaker 5: come over to our house. And you know, because most
Speaker 5: of us have to travel to their place anyway, so
Speaker 5: uh it worked out and took some of the stress
Speaker 5: off of her.
Speaker 1: Well good, I'm glad that it worked out because I
Speaker 1: I don't mind hosting stuff at our house. But my wife,
Speaker 1: she you know, she she doesn't mind. Well, I say
Speaker 1: she doesn't mind. She stresses out about it a lot,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, it's not that big of a deal,
Speaker 1: like we don't have to do that much. And then
Speaker 1: she tells me all the work that she puts into it,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, well, I guess there is a
Speaker 1: lot of work, but it'll be fine, it'll all work out.
Speaker 1: But where us, we rarely host. What we do, we
Speaker 1: actually do a Christmas hosting each each year from my
Speaker 1: side of the family. And every year she's always worried
Speaker 1: at something, and I'm like, what what, what would go wrong?
Speaker 1: It's gonna be family, We're gonna have fun, like it's
Speaker 1: gonna be great. So I always tell her that's it's unexpected,
Speaker 1: it's unnecessary worry and stress because it's all gonna it's
Speaker 1: all gonna work out. So glad you had to go.
Speaker 5: And then I'm all and they're always stressed about and
Speaker 5: I'm like, these people come over all the time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know why the house has to look
Speaker 4: any different.
Speaker 5: Yes, we're on the same page, man, We were absolutely
Speaker 5: on the same page, all right.
Speaker 1: So when it comes to Louisville basketball, man, it has
Speaker 1: been just a tough go when it comes to injuries.
Speaker 1: They've now lost both case and Pryor and Corain Johnson
Speaker 1: for the entire year. Kidder Trey Ore is healing and
Speaker 1: it's expected to be back at some point. And then
Speaker 1: there are two players that transferred in to play for
Speaker 1: the program this year with the expectation of not playing
Speaker 1: at all because they were coming off of injuries. I
Speaker 1: guess I'll start with with Krain Johnson. He was dealing
Speaker 1: with a shoulder injury. It sounds like and I think
Speaker 1: last week we had heard from Pat Kelsey that he
Speaker 1: was seeking a second opinion, and then I guess he
Speaker 1: got that second opinion and it led to him deciding
Speaker 1: to go ahead and set out the rest of the season,
Speaker 1: have a procedure and take a medical red shirt. When
Speaker 1: you hear that someone is getting a second opinion, I
Speaker 1: guess it could depend upon what the injury is. But
Speaker 1: what is in your profession, what does that usually lead
Speaker 1: you to believe if they're seeking a second opinion, I mean,
Speaker 1: what do I know? But I feel like it means
Speaker 1: they didn't like the first opinion and they're going to
Speaker 1: try to see if they get better news from somebody else.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll start backwards.
Speaker 5: I think that everybody should always get multiple pinions. I
Speaker 5: don't think it means you don't love or like what
Speaker 5: the original opinion was.
Speaker 4: H I mean, it could be, but it doesn't always
Speaker 4: have to be that way.
Speaker 5: It's just to make sure that you have all the
Speaker 5: information and that you know because different different providers may
Speaker 5: approach things a little differently, and you got to make
Speaker 5: sure it matches up not just what the surgery is,
Speaker 5: but does it match up what the expectations and the
Speaker 5: goals are of that individual. So, you know, for Karn Johnson,
Speaker 5: I mean, he's a high level basketball player, He's got
Speaker 5: a future.
Speaker 4: Ahead of him. You know, how does.
Speaker 5: This particular if he has to have surgery, obviously, like
Speaker 5: what they're going to do or how they're going to
Speaker 5: do it, how innovative it is, what's the recovery like,
Speaker 5: you know, what's that going to mean for his career?
Speaker 5: And you know, and those are things that he needs
Speaker 5: to take into account and you know, getting more opinions.
Speaker 5: You know, the nice thing is if they're matching up,
Speaker 5: that usually is telling. If they don't match up, now
Speaker 5: you got to pick which one is the least least
Speaker 5: of you know, that has the least amount of resistance
Speaker 5: that where you know, maybe it or or the best.
Speaker 4: Uh impact on your future uh and.
Speaker 5: Your ability to come back in a timely manner in
Speaker 5: order to perform at the level you're accustomed to. So
Speaker 5: I think that's the way, you know, I look at opinions.
Speaker 5: You know, I encourage everybody. I encourage people if they
Speaker 5: don't like what I have to say, or maybe if
Speaker 5: they don't like it, but if they need to hear
Speaker 5: it from somebody else, they're welcome to go to get
Speaker 5: another opinion as well. So, but I think that he
Speaker 5: was looking at where he is in the season. I
Speaker 5: know it's early for us, but for if a procedure
Speaker 5: needed to be done, and how much that could impact
Speaker 5: his future.
Speaker 4: What I mean by that is the off season and
Speaker 4: the next season.
Speaker 5: You know, sometimes it's better to go ahead and pull
Speaker 5: the trigger then to prolong something that's probably inevitable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And and I don't know how it happened in practice,
Speaker 1: that's not information that we're in you know that we
Speaker 1: get and honestly we're not We're not owed that information
Speaker 1: at all. But I I feel like the shoulder injuries
Speaker 1: have become maybe not super common in basketball, but more
Speaker 1: common than I would than I would expect.
Speaker 5: Very physical, you know, a lot of more violent, you know,
Speaker 5: with the lack of a better term, like you know,
Speaker 5: when somebody's going up for a rebound's contested, I mean,
Speaker 5: there's a lot more force behind that than one would realize.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think when you consider contact that's made in basketball,
Speaker 1: it could be different. There's a lot of different ways,
Speaker 1: but I feel like that's one of the more common
Speaker 1: ways that you do, in fact make contact with with somebody.
Speaker 1: Is whenever you're going to the rim or you're guarding somebody,
Speaker 1: you're getting a rebound and and that shoulder can can
Speaker 1: can hit somebody and you know exposed. Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 4: I mean I have a I have a guy, I
Speaker 4: mean have athletes.
Speaker 5: He plays in the NBA and he dislocated his shoulder.
Speaker 4: Uh you know in the previous Well he's not he's
Speaker 4: in the G League right now.
Speaker 5: But either way, he uh, you know, he had a
Speaker 5: dislocated shoulder and it was playing basketball and you know,
Speaker 5: going up for a rebound, contested rebound. So you know,
Speaker 5: those things happen, and there's a lot of we always
Speaker 5: think of football, but you know, very very physical sports
Speaker 5: and basketball is very physical, and you know, and so, yeah,
Speaker 5: shoulder injuries are probably more common than you realize.
Speaker 1: Yeah, case and Pryor's injuries is an a c L.
Speaker 1: And obviously that that those are things and Pat Kelsey
Speaker 1: talked about this earlier this week. These these are injuries
Speaker 1: that years ago it used to be okay, you know,
Speaker 1: we'll see how he recovers, and maybe the timeline was
Speaker 1: a little bit longer. Obviously it's not going to play
Speaker 1: this year, but no doubt he can recover and get
Speaker 1: back to being a really, really good basketball player. I'm
Speaker 1: just curious if you saw the injury took place or not,
Speaker 1: and if so, it sounded like everybody who did see it,
Speaker 1: you know, without having the uh, you know, the knowledge
Speaker 1: that you would have in your position, that it just
Speaker 1: kind of seemed like that's exactly what it was. And
Speaker 1: sure enough, we got the confirmation earlier this week.
Speaker 4: It was the a c l Oh, yeah, I remember
Speaker 4: I text you.
Speaker 5: You may have been a few more years in than
Speaker 5: you wanted to be, but uh you uh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, text you.
Speaker 1: Let's try to make it seem organic.
Speaker 4: Oh sorry, you're good. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I was watching the game and uh, you know I
Speaker 5: text Larry too, and uh immediately he was there. Uh
Speaker 5: and so yeah, it was you know, those things happen.
Speaker 5: It's it's a contact injury. There's nothing you could have done,
Speaker 5: and it's and it sucks. I will say that I
Speaker 5: would rather that be the case if it's gonna happen
Speaker 5: than a non contact injury, because usually when when you
Speaker 5: have non contact ACL injuries, there's other things going on
Speaker 5: with that athlete that could have led to that. I'm
Speaker 5: not saying that's always the case, but that's generally things
Speaker 5: that we go ahead and start thinking about as in
Speaker 5: what we do in my what area of medicine I'm
Speaker 5: in is it's like, oh man, that means that you
Speaker 5: know he basically you know.
Speaker 4: Decelerator on.
Speaker 5: There could be some impairents somewhere and that those are
Speaker 5: usually some thing that would draw a little bit more concerned.
Speaker 5: This is you know, as you know, somebody rolled into
Speaker 5: his knee and it hyper extended with a lot of force,
Speaker 5: and that's unfortunate.
Speaker 3: Yep, no doubt.
Speaker 1: I hated for him too, because he's I mean, he's
Speaker 1: not only a big piece of the team, but he
Speaker 1: it's not just the production on the on the stat sheet,
Speaker 1: it's the energy, the enthusiasm. And I'm hopeful that despite
Speaker 1: him being you know, not able to play, he can
Speaker 1: still bring that on the sidelines and on the bench
Speaker 1: because they're they're certainly gonna need it. Now there's two
Speaker 1: players that have transferred into Louisville that we're dealing with injuries.
Speaker 1: Kobe Rodgers suffered a knee injury last year in the
Speaker 1: last game for Charleston when they played Alabama and the
Speaker 1: NSAA tournament, so he was not expected to play at
Speaker 1: all this year. But Ali Khalifa, you know, I thought
Speaker 1: Pat Kelsey when when he was asked about, you know,
Speaker 1: could there be any chance those guys recover and can play,
Speaker 1: he was very true, And I find this to be
Speaker 1: pretty refreshing. He is going to tell you, hey, you
Speaker 1: need to talk to the professionals, you know, to Kate
Speaker 1: the Great as he calls her, the team trainer, because
Speaker 1: he's not going to really get into the weeds and
Speaker 1: act like he has any involvement or knowledge of it,
Speaker 1: which is the truth. But you know those guys, they
Speaker 1: weren't expected to play this year at all, and I
Speaker 1: think he kind of confirmed, Yeah, that's not even a
Speaker 1: thought in our mind that eventually we'll be able to
Speaker 1: have more depth because these guys will reverse their plan
Speaker 1: and play this year. But when it Khalifa, I found
Speaker 1: a quote from when he committed to Louisville because I
Speaker 1: don't I mean, he played last year for Mark pop
Speaker 1: at BYU and I guess he was banged up but
Speaker 1: he still played. But after he committed, this was the quot.
Speaker 1: It said, I just had a scope in my knee
Speaker 1: to see what was going on. I'm just waiting to
Speaker 1: get there. We showed the doctors the images and everything,
Speaker 1: and they told me to do the surgery, but the
Speaker 1: recovery time is long, so I won't be able to
Speaker 1: play next season. So it sounds like the surgery was
Speaker 1: something that like was maybe not for sure going to happen,
Speaker 1: but then he got he got guidance from from from
Speaker 1: doctors and they said you should probably go ahead and
Speaker 1: have the surgery take a year off and get better.
Speaker 1: You know, just how common is it for somebody to
Speaker 1: really not know that they need to have a surgery
Speaker 1: to get healthy, because again, he played for the majority
Speaker 1: of the season last year at BYU, but it sounds
Speaker 1: like he played hurt.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is most likely cartilage issues on the joint
Speaker 5: surface and so different than like a ligament tear.
Speaker 4: Which basically his knee's gonna like you know.
Speaker 5: With Casin, his knee's gonna be too unstable if in basketball,
Speaker 5: especially for him to come back with a torn acl right,
Speaker 5: So yeah, he's got to have that reconstructed.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: In Khalifa's situation, it tells me that the structure of
Speaker 5: the knee is probably good, like he could play, He
Speaker 5: could play through it.
Speaker 4: He's not unstable.
Speaker 5: He's gonna have some discomfort, but the cartilage on the
Speaker 5: surface of the bone is probably damaged and that it's
Speaker 5: like all right if you and these are really fragile
Speaker 5: surgeries because of the a lot of times they're they're
Speaker 5: trying to take carlage from somewhere else and implant in
Speaker 5: that area. So it's very fragile. If he were to
Speaker 5: try to go play, it takes a long time for
Speaker 5: that to embed, especially if it's going to be successful.
Speaker 5: So that's where I think that.
Speaker 1: Makes total sense actually as far as him being able
Speaker 1: to play on it, but then still knowing like, hey,
Speaker 1: there's some that you're you're you're probably still dealing with
Speaker 1: some pain. You're probably not at one hundred percent because
Speaker 1: of this, So yeah, I mean it was probably. I
Speaker 1: mean also six eleven, two seventy five, I mean, is
Speaker 1: that maybe the frame when somebody for somebody that could
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you could have that same issue
Speaker 1: that he has regardless of your size. But you know,
Speaker 1: he's a rare player with six eleven two seventy five,
Speaker 1: a guy who plays ale perimeter despite being so big.
Speaker 4: Well he's a big dude, and there's some red flags.
Speaker 5: I mean, I wouldn't want, you know, I think he
Speaker 5: may end up having a great career and and and
Speaker 5: a lot of the uh innovations have changed around surgeries.
Speaker 4: But I mean think about Greg Odin.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know he had different surgeries like this, and
Speaker 5: you know that's it just it was never easy.
Speaker 4: He was a huge man. It was really difficult for
Speaker 4: him to come back from. Now that's that.
Speaker 5: Was years ago, but you know, those are things that
Speaker 5: start to creep into your head, like you know, once
Speaker 5: you start down this path, and there's differencing opinions. Obviously,
Speaker 5: I don't know anything about his case, nor would I
Speaker 5: want to make assumptions. But you know, some surgeons may say,
Speaker 5: you know what man like it is, what's going to be? Uh,
Speaker 5: you know, this is what you're gonna deal with. You
Speaker 5: played well, you played at a high level.
Speaker 4: I would worry about this when your career is over.
Speaker 5: I mean there's yeah, you know, there's a lot of
Speaker 5: different you know, I deal with a lot of soccer
Speaker 5: players and they have similar things in their foot and
Speaker 5: ankle and and some surgeons will say you need to
Speaker 5: go ahead and do something for it. Some will say,
Speaker 5: you know it is gonna be what it's me if
Speaker 5: you can play at high level, he might as well
Speaker 5: just weight. You're not necessarily gonna make it worse. So
Speaker 5: I think that that's just I guess his case is different,
Speaker 5: and those are choices he's gonna have to make.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: The nice thing is a lot of times there's not
Speaker 5: a ton of structural damage. What I mean by that
Speaker 5: is that the joints otherwise stable, which is a good thing.
Speaker 4: And that's why.
Speaker 1: He could have technically played before having the operation right,
Speaker 1: Like he probably wouldn't have been one hundred percent. He
Speaker 1: would have been paid absolutely now.
Speaker 5: And that's different than saying, like a meniscus there, which
Speaker 5: you know people read about all the time.
Speaker 4: The reason that can become a problem. You can play
Speaker 4: with those two. But if it if it.
Speaker 5: Pulls up off, like the meniscus, portion of the mescus
Speaker 5: pulls off, it's like putting a putting like a rod
Speaker 5: and a spoke, right, it'll it'll impact the ability of.
Speaker 4: The joint to move. So you got to go in
Speaker 4: and clean that out so the joint can move again.
Speaker 4: This is different.
Speaker 5: This is the actual surface of the bone, and so
Speaker 5: you know they're just trying to maintain as normal and
Speaker 5: healthy amount of cartilage as they possibly can because you know,
Speaker 5: he's what twenty one years old, maybe I don't know
Speaker 5: how old he is, but you know he's got a
Speaker 5: long life ahead of him here, maybe a career. So
Speaker 5: they're trying to preserve as much normal, healthy tissue as
Speaker 5: they can. And so that's where some of these decisions
Speaker 5: are made.
Speaker 1: Makes sense. Eric is always I appreciate you making time
Speaker 1: for us. Enjoy your weekend and we will talk soon.
Speaker 4: Awesome, man, you have a good weekend too.
Speaker 1: Take care. That's doctor Eric McElroy from pro Rea Physical Therapy.
Speaker 1: Really informative stuff there. When it comes to these injuries.
Speaker 1: It's not fun to talk about injuries, you know, when
Speaker 1: anybody getting hurt, and the Louisville Cardinals are dealing with
Speaker 1: some big time injuries on the basketball side. But you know,
Speaker 1: I still again, we'll talk about it a lot more
Speaker 1: than the five o'clock hour, but I'm going to make
Speaker 1: it a point in this commercial break to try to
Speaker 1: get some good energy going because I don't I mean,
Speaker 1: you got do coming in a week ago. We felt
Speaker 1: really good about this program in case in prior to
Speaker 1: not being available is clearly a difference maker. But it
Speaker 1: was so fun to feel alive, and I want to
Speaker 1: have that feeling again. I just know that Duke's really,
Speaker 1: really good, and they're going to be here on Sunday.
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