WEBVTT 1 00:00:06.919 --> 00:00:11.080 In the nineteen seventies, people across North America were carrying 2 00:00:11.119 --> 00:00:15.320 a heavy burden. A recession was in full swing, which 3 00:00:15.400 --> 00:00:19.760 left many people jobless, homeless, and with pent up emotions 4 00:00:20.079 --> 00:00:24.359 without any means of an outlet. That was until a 5 00:00:24.399 --> 00:00:29.120 baseball game was scheduled. This wasn't your average game, though. 6 00:00:29.199 --> 00:00:34.640 This game put angry individuals into a packed stadium with 7 00:00:34.719 --> 00:00:40.880 an almost endless supply of beer for basically free, with 8 00:00:41.000 --> 00:00:45.000 nothing else to do but drink and vent. The crowd 9 00:00:45.079 --> 00:00:49.119 quickly turned into a violent and angry mob that was 10 00:00:49.200 --> 00:00:50.560 out of control. 11 00:00:52.200 --> 00:00:55.560 My name's Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening to 12 00:00:56.000 --> 00:01:01.359 Wicked and Grim, a true crime podcast. Warning. 13 00:01:01.960 --> 00:01:29.760 The following podcast material more mature audience listener discretion. I tea. 14 00:01:30.280 --> 00:01:34.640 You've got tea and beer today? Yea double piston delicious. 15 00:01:34.799 --> 00:01:36.599 My throat's really sore. I think I don't know. I 16 00:01:36.640 --> 00:01:37.680 might be losing my voice. 17 00:01:38.480 --> 00:01:41.400 You're talking too much. Maybe I better not be getting sick. 18 00:01:41.519 --> 00:01:43.159 Just about as we're about to go on baking. 19 00:01:43.280 --> 00:01:44.560 I know that would suck. 20 00:01:44.719 --> 00:01:45.719 Well, I would be pissed. 21 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:50.280 Ta Fino. Although we are heading there to Tafino this 22 00:01:50.400 --> 00:01:52.760 coming week, we are going to have an episode. But 23 00:01:53.280 --> 00:01:55.400 even if I'm sick, I'm going to just sleep the 24 00:01:55.439 --> 00:01:57.280 whole time. And that sounds like a great vacation to 25 00:01:57.319 --> 00:01:58.040 be anyways, So. 26 00:01:58.200 --> 00:02:00.519 I know, we are literally just talking at how we 27 00:02:00.560 --> 00:02:03.519 have no expectations for this trip and like we're fine 28 00:02:03.560 --> 00:02:04.599 with just chilling. 29 00:02:04.840 --> 00:02:06.840 I think that's our first time we've ever had like 30 00:02:06.959 --> 00:02:09.000 just zero expectations for a trip. 31 00:02:09.199 --> 00:02:12.039 Yeah, we're just both I think maybe a little tired 32 00:02:12.080 --> 00:02:14.479 and just need some R and R. Yeah, and the 33 00:02:14.479 --> 00:02:16.840 weather's gonna be pretty shitty while we're there, but you 34 00:02:16.919 --> 00:02:18.159 know what, that's okay. 35 00:02:18.360 --> 00:02:21.199 Tell me this doesn't sound amazing though, sitting in a 36 00:02:21.240 --> 00:02:25.439 fucking cabin, walking dish in distance from the ocean in 37 00:02:25.439 --> 00:02:29.240 the Pacific Northwest rainforest as rain is fucking pouring down, 38 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:30.960 snuggled up with your two huskies. 39 00:02:32.240 --> 00:02:34.680 Well yeah, but my okay, it does sound nice. So 40 00:02:34.759 --> 00:02:37.159 then my thought wet dogs lots of times aren't really 41 00:02:37.199 --> 00:02:40.439 the best. But eh, whatever, we'll figure it out. Yeah, 42 00:02:40.479 --> 00:02:43.120 it's gonna be great. It will be Oh and you 43 00:02:43.199 --> 00:02:45.960 miss you missed something very important in that description. 44 00:02:46.120 --> 00:02:46.800 What did I miss? 45 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:48.240 Eating taco fino? 46 00:02:48.400 --> 00:02:51.360 Oh? Fuck you? Come on, if anyone ever goes to 47 00:02:51.360 --> 00:02:53.919 Taco Fino into Fino. Get to check out the truck 48 00:02:53.919 --> 00:02:55.759 because we have wicketting grim stickers on there and we're 49 00:02:55.759 --> 00:02:56.759 gonna put another one on there. 50 00:02:56.800 --> 00:02:58.599 I hope it's not like off season and they're not 51 00:02:58.680 --> 00:02:59.439 open or something. 52 00:02:59.639 --> 00:03:00.919 They better not be. 53 00:03:01.199 --> 00:03:03.039 I know, I thought I would the other day flip 54 00:03:03.319 --> 00:03:05.639 my shit, you would start a riot. 55 00:03:06.120 --> 00:03:09.520 Yes, speaking of riot, there's that's kind of on topic 56 00:03:09.560 --> 00:03:10.319 for today's theme. 57 00:03:10.439 --> 00:03:12.919 But we're not there yet, no. 58 00:03:12.520 --> 00:03:15.319 No, not quite. But one thing we did do because 59 00:03:15.319 --> 00:03:18.919 speaking of the dogs. Backtracking a little bit here, we 60 00:03:18.960 --> 00:03:20.719 did a vlog the other day for our patrons. 61 00:03:20.960 --> 00:03:21.319 We did. 62 00:03:21.400 --> 00:03:23.000 We talked to them, We're like, what sort of content 63 00:03:23.039 --> 00:03:24.400 do you guys want a little bit more here, and 64 00:03:24.400 --> 00:03:28.680 they're like, mostly we got vlogs, we want flogs the dog. 65 00:03:28.759 --> 00:03:30.560 They basically just want to see more of the dogs. 66 00:03:30.560 --> 00:03:33.520 No one really actually gives a shit about us. It's 67 00:03:33.520 --> 00:03:34.120 just all about that. 68 00:03:34.199 --> 00:03:37.319 It's true. So we've logged taking the dogs out and 69 00:03:37.319 --> 00:03:39.919 doing some stuff. So yeah, we can expect more of 70 00:03:39.960 --> 00:03:42.039 logs to come out on Patreon and hopefully soon enough 71 00:03:42.080 --> 00:03:44.520 we'll be rolling out some more stuff on YouTube as well. 72 00:03:45.360 --> 00:03:47.360 We got a lot of stuff coming out of the 73 00:03:47.400 --> 00:03:51.199 Woodworks here in the next couple months, so keep tune, 74 00:03:51.360 --> 00:03:52.159 stay tuned for that. 75 00:03:52.400 --> 00:03:54.960 Yeah, it's gonna be exciting. I'm excited for it. 76 00:03:55.240 --> 00:03:57.599 And speaking of Patreon, we got patrons to thank for 77 00:03:57.639 --> 00:03:58.439 signing up this week. 78 00:03:58.479 --> 00:04:00.560 We have quite a list. I'm excited we do. 79 00:04:00.840 --> 00:04:04.319 Starting off for who signed up this week, We've got Lindsay. 80 00:04:04.800 --> 00:04:07.199 We have Susan and I'm really good at butcher this 81 00:04:07.240 --> 00:04:09.199 name because there's like all kinds of accents on it. 82 00:04:09.400 --> 00:04:11.719 I think Lindsay was last week. Sorry I didn't. 83 00:04:12.240 --> 00:04:13.199 Oh well Lindsay. 84 00:04:13.919 --> 00:04:15.560 Yeah, thanks again, Lindsay, you're the best. 85 00:04:15.639 --> 00:04:16.920 Yeah, way to notify me. 86 00:04:17.040 --> 00:04:18.920 You Sorry, I screw that up. 87 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:20.959 Nicole's job is usually to tell me who I need 88 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:23.079 to announce. She takes care of the list, and then 89 00:04:23.120 --> 00:04:23.680 I announced it. 90 00:04:23.720 --> 00:04:25.959 Okay, so I split it up. I've messed up once 91 00:04:26.040 --> 00:04:26.600 in my life. 92 00:04:26.759 --> 00:04:30.800 It's still messed up. No, you messed up twice. What 93 00:04:30.879 --> 00:04:32.120 was the other time you married me? 94 00:04:33.519 --> 00:04:36.839 No? That was my greatest my greatest choice. 95 00:04:36.680 --> 00:04:41.199 Your greatest choice. Well, well you're earning some brownie points today. Anyways, 96 00:04:41.199 --> 00:04:45.639 we digress. We have Susan, Susanne or Susan. Some people 97 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:53.600 pronounce it completely different ways, but Susan our Scold, our school, 98 00:04:53.720 --> 00:04:55.639 our schoold is what I'm gonna go with, Okay, Susan 99 00:04:55.720 --> 00:04:59.959 our Schold right on. We have Nicola Clark, Shannon Charlton 100 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:11.480 and John Kleelo, Diane Litwin, Kimberly Wandle Sarah with a J. Hewlett, No, 101 00:05:11.600 --> 00:05:14.319 it's it's Jarrah. But they message us with like, yeah, 102 00:05:14.360 --> 00:05:15.319 it's like Sarah with the J. 103 00:05:15.560 --> 00:05:18.519 So so you're yeah, you're just gonna pronounce it that way, Sarah. 104 00:05:18.240 --> 00:05:20.839 With the jet, Jarah, you are forever Sarah with the J. 105 00:05:21.000 --> 00:05:26.519 I'm sorry. And Alfredo Mendina right on. Yeah, So, thank 106 00:05:26.560 --> 00:05:28.279 you guys so much for signing it for Patreon. It 107 00:05:28.319 --> 00:05:30.639 means a lot, even if you don't sign up for Patreon. 108 00:05:30.759 --> 00:05:32.720 We we appreciate you here and that means lot. 109 00:05:33.040 --> 00:05:34.720 We just love that you're here. We just love what 110 00:05:34.720 --> 00:05:37.519 we do, you know, we just love everything about it. 111 00:05:37.639 --> 00:05:38.399 Touche we do. 112 00:05:39.360 --> 00:05:41.360 This case has me a bit intrigued here. 113 00:05:41.480 --> 00:05:44.319 It's a good case. We've had it requested multiple times 114 00:05:44.360 --> 00:05:46.079 and I was gonna look up who it was. I 115 00:05:46.120 --> 00:05:48.120 think it might have been Mandy who's been requesting it 116 00:05:48.439 --> 00:05:51.560 over on Patreon. I could be wrong, but it's been 117 00:05:51.600 --> 00:05:57.000 requested multiple times, multiple multiple, multiple times. So we're going 118 00:05:57.079 --> 00:05:57.959 to talk about it today. 119 00:05:58.040 --> 00:05:59.199 And this is a new one for me. 120 00:05:59.800 --> 00:06:02.839 I've never heard this case other than it being requested. 121 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:06.759 Oh shoot, sorry, Kiwi, that was really rude. Well, I 122 00:06:06.879 --> 00:06:08.639 was bundle up in a blanket and then I got 123 00:06:08.680 --> 00:06:10.240 too hot and I threw it on the coach. But 124 00:06:10.319 --> 00:06:12.240 I didn't realize he was curled up there. 125 00:06:12.360 --> 00:06:18.000 Wow wow you mean yeah, Well, talking about this case today, sorry, Kiwi. 126 00:06:18.319 --> 00:06:21.319 He's just he's just like sauntering away all pissed off. 127 00:06:21.399 --> 00:06:22.399 Yeah, he's mad at me. Now. 128 00:06:23.439 --> 00:06:28.399 So this case today, we're talking about ten cent beer night. 129 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:31.759 You had to have a beer for this one. 130 00:06:31.920 --> 00:06:33.079 I had to and I had to wait for the 131 00:06:33.160 --> 00:06:34.000 right moment to open it. 132 00:06:34.120 --> 00:06:35.360 Absolutely and it's. 133 00:06:35.279 --> 00:06:38.319 Foaming, it's fuming. Fine, I got it. 134 00:06:38.439 --> 00:06:38.959 There you go. 135 00:06:39.079 --> 00:06:42.000 We're good. Okay. So this is ten cent beer night. 136 00:06:42.759 --> 00:06:46.839 It's all happening at a baseball game. It's intense. So 137 00:06:46.959 --> 00:06:49.839 let's get down. Let's talk about this. It's a wild ride. 138 00:06:50.360 --> 00:06:54.839 During the nineteen sixties, Cleveland was a thriving industrial city 139 00:06:55.160 --> 00:06:59.920 with a strong manufacturing sector, but however, by the nineteen seventies, 140 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:05.040 the city began to experience a decline in manufacturing, which 141 00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:08.480 resulted in job losses and a decline in the city's 142 00:07:08.560 --> 00:07:11.839 economic prosperity. So it's never cool. 143 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:14.959 Yeah, that's scary, just that feeling of uneasy. That's not 144 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:15.639 a great feeling. 145 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:17.240 Well, and a lot of people argue that we're technically 146 00:07:17.240 --> 00:07:18.199 in a recession right now. 147 00:07:19.079 --> 00:07:21.199 Yeah, well, I mean the cost of everything is through 148 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:21.759 the roof. 149 00:07:22.199 --> 00:07:24.720 Yeah, And I do remember the recession in what was 150 00:07:24.759 --> 00:07:27.120 it like, two thousand and eight, back in the day, 151 00:07:27.800 --> 00:07:29.720 Back in the day. I'm feeling old. Man. We've been 152 00:07:29.759 --> 00:07:34.680 through a recession or two in my time. Sorry, I 153 00:07:34.720 --> 00:07:38.160 just felt old there for a second. I remember those days. 154 00:07:38.879 --> 00:07:42.519 I remember the recession, the great two thousand and eight depression. Recession, 155 00:07:42.600 --> 00:07:43.680 not depression. 156 00:07:44.120 --> 00:07:47.240 Do you see. I don't know. I block things out though. 157 00:07:47.240 --> 00:07:48.560 My memory is not the best. 158 00:07:48.839 --> 00:07:51.120 Wow. All I know is going through this sort of thing. 159 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:52.720 It's not easy. And a lot of people, no, it's 160 00:07:52.879 --> 00:07:56.360 very stressful. It affects everyone differently. Yeah, but it's super 161 00:07:56.399 --> 00:08:00.600 stressful for sure. So during this time, in fact, nineteen 162 00:08:00.680 --> 00:08:05.519 seventy four, particularly Cleveland was hit hard by this economic recession. 163 00:08:06.759 --> 00:08:09.759 It affected the entire United States minu but we're talking 164 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:13.839 about Cleveland here specifically. Now, the city's unemployment rate rose 165 00:08:13.879 --> 00:08:16.319 to over ten percent. 166 00:08:17.040 --> 00:08:17.759 Wow. 167 00:08:18.040 --> 00:08:23.000 Yeah, as around six hundred factories shut their doors. Holy shit, 168 00:08:23.439 --> 00:08:24.800 that's a lot of jobs. 169 00:08:25.160 --> 00:08:26.759 That is a lot of jobs. 170 00:08:26.920 --> 00:08:29.040 Six hundred factories. 171 00:08:29.360 --> 00:08:33.200 Oh my goodness. Yeah, that's very high. 172 00:08:33.360 --> 00:08:37.080 Oh that's massive. Yeah, one out of ten people job. 173 00:08:38.879 --> 00:08:43.000 And there was a severe decline in this steel industry, particularly, 174 00:08:43.600 --> 00:08:47.559 there was an energy crisis, high inflation rates. The population 175 00:08:47.720 --> 00:08:50.799 also began to decline as many people left the city 176 00:08:50.919 --> 00:08:54.840 in search of better job opportunities elsewhere. The city was 177 00:08:54.879 --> 00:08:58.360 in shambles as everything basically seemed to burn to the 178 00:08:58.360 --> 00:09:04.039 ground around them. Ratively, of course, but as well literally. 179 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:06.080 Okay, Yeah. 180 00:09:06.799 --> 00:09:11.159 The Cuyahoga River had become heavily polluted with all the 181 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:15.879 industrial waste and sewage, which created a very toxic and 182 00:09:16.279 --> 00:09:22.919 flammable environment, brutal. The river had caught fire several times 183 00:09:22.919 --> 00:09:27.200 in the past, but specifically the nineteen sixty nine fire 184 00:09:27.320 --> 00:09:32.720 was particularly significant because it received national media attention. There's 185 00:09:32.720 --> 00:09:34.159 a little bit more detail on that, but I'm not 186 00:09:34.159 --> 00:09:35.879 going to talk too much on it. But the fire 187 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:39.840 did start on June twenty second, nineteen sixty nine, when 188 00:09:39.879 --> 00:09:42.919 sparks from a passing train actually ignited to oil and 189 00:09:42.919 --> 00:09:46.000 debris floating on the surface of the river, which the 190 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:49.399 flames quickly spread and caused damage to bridges, boats, other 191 00:09:49.440 --> 00:09:53.240 structures along the river. So, needless to say, the early 192 00:09:53.320 --> 00:09:56.519 seventies were not an enjoyable time, as many people were 193 00:09:56.559 --> 00:09:58.399 left wondering how they were going to find a job 194 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:01.320 or even survive at this point. It caused many people 195 00:10:01.320 --> 00:10:04.320 to turn to substance use, such as drugs or alcohol, 196 00:10:04.600 --> 00:10:07.919 to try and forget whatever harsh realities they were facing 197 00:10:07.960 --> 00:10:10.639 at the time. Brutal, so not fun. 198 00:10:11.360 --> 00:10:16.120 That's terrifying too. Like the visual of a river catching fire. 199 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:18.799 Oh yeah, and there's images of this. You can google 200 00:10:18.799 --> 00:10:20.879 it and it's just going to have to. It's just 201 00:10:20.919 --> 00:10:22.360 out in the middle of the water and it's just 202 00:10:22.600 --> 00:10:24.559 flames fucking shooting high. 203 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:25.200 Wow. 204 00:10:25.559 --> 00:10:28.240 Yeah, it's it's wild. It's insane. You should look it up. 205 00:10:28.279 --> 00:10:30.440 Well I will. And I'm very glad that we've changed 206 00:10:31.039 --> 00:10:33.720 things because like the fish and stuff living in that. 207 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:36.360 Poor river right Oh, I can't imagine. 208 00:10:36.480 --> 00:10:38.240 Yeah, like that can't be good. 209 00:10:38.559 --> 00:10:41.879 No, here, there's images of the fire right now there, 210 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:46.080 Like it's massive, it's terrifying. 211 00:10:46.519 --> 00:10:48.519 That is terrifying if. 212 00:10:48.440 --> 00:10:52.200 You're listening right now and you're not driving, and you're 213 00:10:52.200 --> 00:10:54.320 not driving, yeah, quickly grab your phone, give it a 214 00:10:54.360 --> 00:10:56.679 Google the Cuyahoga River fire. 215 00:10:57.240 --> 00:10:59.960 Yeah, And that's just crazy because you're already facing really 216 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:03.279 hard times and you're like, oh, nothing, nothing could get worse. 217 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:06.519 And I don't know, shit, is what is the sayings 218 00:11:06.519 --> 00:11:08.039 where stuff always piles on? 219 00:11:08.159 --> 00:11:10.600 You know, like stuff's piling on? 220 00:11:10.879 --> 00:11:13.960 Is that the same? I don't know, like bad things 221 00:11:13.960 --> 00:11:16.039 come in threes or it's just like, yeah, when you're 222 00:11:16.039 --> 00:11:19.720 down on your luck, like lots of times more bad, Yeah, exactly. 223 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:23.080 And so and you're already down and literally the river 224 00:11:23.200 --> 00:11:25.960 in your city fucking catches fire. Are you kidding me? 225 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:30.200 Yeah? So it's it's nuts. So yeah, rightfully. So people 226 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:33.240 were turning to substances. I mean not everyone, but it 227 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:35.159 was something people were doing. 228 00:11:35.480 --> 00:11:38.440 Which is just gonna make things financially and everything worse. 229 00:11:38.600 --> 00:11:40.759 Yeah. And I mean, I don't get me wrong, I'm 230 00:11:40.759 --> 00:11:43.159 sitting here drinking a beer. Obviously, I'm a strong advocate 231 00:11:43.240 --> 00:11:47.639 for alcohol. If you're not aware, however, moderation is key. 232 00:11:47.840 --> 00:11:51.039 Well, I just mostly meant if an addiction, say unfortunately 233 00:11:51.080 --> 00:11:53.759 formed or something, and then you're already strapped and now 234 00:11:53.799 --> 00:11:56.559 you're having to put more money and for your addiction, and. 235 00:11:56.600 --> 00:11:59.000 Oh oh, this is just I just didn't want to say, 236 00:11:59.000 --> 00:12:01.159 if you're drinking a beer and be hipocrite, being like 237 00:12:01.440 --> 00:12:03.399 those filthy alcoholics, don't know what I mean. 238 00:12:03.440 --> 00:12:04.440 No, no, not at all. 239 00:12:05.559 --> 00:12:10.000 Okay, So I mean to touch on this just a 240 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:11.639 little bit. I do personally like to have a beer, 241 00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:17.200 particularly after a nice, like long, stressful day, and millions 242 00:12:17.240 --> 00:12:19.399 of other other people enjoy alcohol in a similar way, 243 00:12:19.679 --> 00:12:21.960 for example, sitting back with a nice cold beer watching 244 00:12:21.960 --> 00:12:25.360 a game, right, which I mean they go hand in 245 00:12:25.399 --> 00:12:29.720 hand nowadays. In fact, it's sort of a pastime, even 246 00:12:29.799 --> 00:12:32.639 just in modern day. That's just just normal. It's been 247 00:12:32.679 --> 00:12:35.639 going on for decades, and big sporting events have actually 248 00:12:36.000 --> 00:12:38.679 leagues have kind of made this a thing. 249 00:12:39.360 --> 00:12:41.240 Well, I was just gonna say a lot of times too. 250 00:12:41.279 --> 00:12:45.480 They have like big sponsors. Yeah, say like Molson Canada 251 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:48.720 or whatever is a sponsor of like the Vancouver Canucks. 252 00:12:48.360 --> 00:12:51.679 Or you're literally like reading my mind, Oh serious, Oh yeah, 253 00:12:51.679 --> 00:12:53.279 that's my next freaking sentence here. 254 00:12:53.399 --> 00:12:54.559 Okay, that's weird. 255 00:12:54.759 --> 00:12:58.159 Often have sponsorship deals with major brands like Budweiser, Cores 256 00:12:58.240 --> 00:12:59.360 or Molson for example. 257 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:01.919 Wow, yeah, I'm pretty smart. 258 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:05.279 Yeah you nailed it. Good job. I'm like, seriously, though, 259 00:13:05.279 --> 00:13:08.480 if you are watching like a game, whether it's you know, 260 00:13:08.679 --> 00:13:11.080 big league or little league, well maybe not little league, 261 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:14.120 small league, like not a professional league. 262 00:13:14.159 --> 00:13:14.679 That's what I meant. 263 00:13:15.200 --> 00:13:18.720 Children not children's league. That's not what I was meaning. 264 00:13:19.240 --> 00:13:21.440 If you pay attention to these leagues, these games, when 265 00:13:21.440 --> 00:13:24.440 you're watching TV during the games, you'll you'll see ads 266 00:13:24.519 --> 00:13:28.279 run constantly during commercials. There's banners on the boards of 267 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:30.960 like arena, like hockey arena, baseball, all this sort of thing. 268 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:35.399 There's there's logos everywhere. Yeah, UFC. I think that they 269 00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:37.759 had like the big beer logo in the middle of 270 00:13:37.799 --> 00:13:39.519 their octagon for a long time. I don't know if 271 00:13:39.519 --> 00:13:42.919 they still do, because I remember there was when brock Lessener, 272 00:13:42.960 --> 00:13:46.799 remember back in the day, brock Lessener. I didn't like him, right, No, 273 00:13:47.080 --> 00:13:49.879 not many people, okay, but yeah, there was a big 274 00:13:49.919 --> 00:13:53.600 controversy because apparently Budweiser wasn't gonna, wasn't sponsoring him or 275 00:13:53.679 --> 00:13:57.000 something like that. So after he won a match, he 276 00:13:57.080 --> 00:13:59.559 was getting interviewed in the middle of the Octagon Live TV, 277 00:14:00.039 --> 00:14:03.519 and he's basically like, yeah, fuck Budweiser. I'm gonna go 278 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:07.399 home and have a Coors Light. But Budweiser was actually 279 00:14:07.440 --> 00:14:11.480 sponsoring UFC, just not him, so he got in major shit. 280 00:14:12.080 --> 00:14:18.159 Yeah. But honestly, sometimes like even bad publicity, sometimes it's 281 00:14:18.159 --> 00:14:22.080 still publicity. I can't even say that publicity. I can't 282 00:14:22.120 --> 00:14:27.240 say it publicity. I'm just not even publicity. Oh my gosh. 283 00:14:27.240 --> 00:14:30.000 But you know what I mean, even bad is sometimes good. 284 00:14:30.200 --> 00:14:32.519 Oh yeah, for sure. And I mean you can even 285 00:14:32.559 --> 00:14:34.879 go out and buy a case and oftentimes and it's like, oh, 286 00:14:34.919 --> 00:14:37.600 it's got like the Seattle Seahawks logo on the case. 287 00:14:37.639 --> 00:14:39.480 It's like they go hand in hand. Not just the 288 00:14:40.200 --> 00:14:42.360 sporting event peddling the beer, but the beer is also 289 00:14:42.440 --> 00:14:45.759 peddling the sports. Often, Yeah, because you go to your 290 00:14:45.799 --> 00:14:48.320 local store if you are in Seattle, you'll see, oh, 291 00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:51.159 Budweiser Seattle Seahawks. But if you go to a state 292 00:14:51.200 --> 00:14:55.279 over you're gonna see them also advertising that team. It's yeah, 293 00:14:55.360 --> 00:14:57.720 it's yeah, they just peddle it. It's a lucrative business, 294 00:14:57.960 --> 00:15:00.519 especially when one includes the other and the fan. It 295 00:15:00.840 --> 00:15:01.440 keeps going. 296 00:15:01.559 --> 00:15:02.240 Absolutely. 297 00:15:02.759 --> 00:15:06.679 So Anyways, we digress. Perhaps this was one of the 298 00:15:06.720 --> 00:15:10.559 reasons why the management team of the Cleveland Indians baseball 299 00:15:10.559 --> 00:15:14.159 team decided to start doing some promotional events involving beer 300 00:15:14.320 --> 00:15:18.279 during these tough times in the seventies. Now, in our 301 00:15:18.320 --> 00:15:22.480 current year nineteen seventy four, attendance at the Cleveland Indians 302 00:15:22.519 --> 00:15:25.639 games had dropped. People weren't spending their money so frivolously 303 00:15:26.559 --> 00:15:28.799 and had other matters in their life to attend to. 304 00:15:29.000 --> 00:15:31.440 So management of the team decided to run a campaign 305 00:15:31.559 --> 00:15:36.240 to help draw the crowd to the game. Now they 306 00:15:36.240 --> 00:15:38.720 were on to something in the past that they had. 307 00:15:38.879 --> 00:15:42.320 This they called nickel Beer Night in nineteen seventy one. 308 00:15:42.559 --> 00:15:44.879 Okay, five cents, that's awesome. 309 00:15:44.519 --> 00:15:47.600 For a beer, Yeah, stupid cheap. Crowds came out for 310 00:15:47.639 --> 00:15:50.159 the game, spent a lot of money, had a lot 311 00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:52.600 of drinks, and it helped revive the fan base for 312 00:15:52.639 --> 00:15:55.519 the team. Now, with inflation as it was now three 313 00:15:55.600 --> 00:15:58.440 years later in this recession, they couldn't do nickel Beer 314 00:15:58.480 --> 00:16:01.519 Knight anymore, but they could do ten cent beer Night. 315 00:16:02.120 --> 00:16:03.919 Which I still feel like is a steal of a. 316 00:16:03.879 --> 00:16:08.000 Deal, especially when you look at it's today's equivalent in 317 00:16:08.080 --> 00:16:08.720 dollar figures. 318 00:16:08.799 --> 00:16:09.279 What is it. 319 00:16:09.960 --> 00:16:13.759 Take a guess. We're talking usd here, so US dollars, 320 00:16:13.759 --> 00:16:16.399 so ten cents United States dollars. What do you think 321 00:16:16.399 --> 00:16:17.399 that's equivalent to toys? 322 00:16:17.399 --> 00:16:21.480 Oh? My goodness, I don't even know. I have absolutely 323 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:22.000 no idea. 324 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:26.559 A dollar ten cents in nineteen seventy four, okay, is 325 00:16:26.639 --> 00:16:29.360 equivalent to sixty four cents today? 326 00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:33.799 Oh wow? Us okay, a little lesson. I thought, Yeah, 327 00:16:33.840 --> 00:16:36.120 that's still that today. That would be freaking amazing. 328 00:16:36.200 --> 00:16:37.799 Yeah, that's a cheap ass fucking beer. 329 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:39.840 I don't think you can get if you got a 330 00:16:39.879 --> 00:16:43.200 beer for five bucks, that's a steal of a deal. 331 00:16:43.279 --> 00:16:45.879 Now. I think if you go, well, if you're out, 332 00:16:46.200 --> 00:16:48.279 we're talking Canadian dollars here though, mind. 333 00:16:48.080 --> 00:16:49.519 You, okay, yeah, if you. 334 00:16:49.480 --> 00:16:51.879 Go to a pub for five dollars a Canadian but yeah, 335 00:16:52.279 --> 00:16:55.759 so yeah, yeah, beer and cheap I'll calling cheap. 336 00:16:55.840 --> 00:16:56.440 No, it isn't. 337 00:16:57.039 --> 00:16:58.879 And mind you, the beer that they were selling, though, 338 00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:02.679 it wasn't exactly like was top quality beer. It wasn't 339 00:17:02.720 --> 00:17:05.799 even very strong, but I mean it was still alcohol. Yeah, 340 00:17:05.839 --> 00:17:09.279 but when you pay sixty four cents equivalent for a beer, 341 00:17:09.319 --> 00:17:11.880 I don't think anyone sit cares exactly. I don't think 342 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:15.559 they give a fuck, so regardless of the quality of 343 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:18.279 the beer. By doing this promotion, the baseball team management 344 00:17:18.319 --> 00:17:23.960 had just accidentally set in motion an absolutely terrible situation 345 00:17:24.400 --> 00:17:25.680 without even realizing it. 346 00:17:25.920 --> 00:17:28.519 Okay, here they thought they were doing what they did 347 00:17:28.519 --> 00:17:30.880 in previous years and yeah, yeah. 348 00:17:30.519 --> 00:17:33.039 Well how it played out is a little bit different. 349 00:17:33.079 --> 00:17:36.039 Let me explain. Ten cent Beer Night was set only 350 00:17:36.079 --> 00:17:39.079 a week after the at the Cleveland Indians, which I 351 00:17:39.079 --> 00:17:42.240 should clarify they have since renamed their name to Cleveland 352 00:17:42.319 --> 00:17:46.480 Guardians and frankly so, yeah, yeah, but I'm going to 353 00:17:46.559 --> 00:17:48.359 refer to them as the Cleveland Indians as what they 354 00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:51.599 were at the time, so it's kind of historically accurate 355 00:17:51.640 --> 00:17:53.759 in that way. But they are the Cleveland Guardians. 356 00:17:53.839 --> 00:17:56.240 Okay, I was actually gonna ask, but I wasn't. I 357 00:17:56.319 --> 00:17:57.920 thought that happened, but I wasn't certain. 358 00:17:58.000 --> 00:18:01.799 Yeah. So they had went to Arlington Stadium when they 359 00:18:01.839 --> 00:18:05.079 played the Texas Rangers. Now this is the very same 360 00:18:05.200 --> 00:18:07.319 team that they were going to be playing against at 361 00:18:07.359 --> 00:18:09.519 their big promotional event in one week's time, the ten 362 00:18:09.599 --> 00:18:13.599 cent Speer Night. Right. Okay, so a week ago or sorry, 363 00:18:13.599 --> 00:18:17.000 a week prior to they're doing this and a fight 364 00:18:17.079 --> 00:18:20.759 had actually broken out on the field between both teams. 365 00:18:21.440 --> 00:18:24.480 Players and coaches came bursting out of their dugouts to 366 00:18:24.519 --> 00:18:28.079 come to their teammates defense, creating a huge ball brawl 367 00:18:28.240 --> 00:18:30.559 on the pitchers mound that took quite a bit of 368 00:18:30.559 --> 00:18:32.799 time to actually get under control. So both teams just 369 00:18:32.839 --> 00:18:34.880 going nuts, a big brawl center field. 370 00:18:35.160 --> 00:18:37.200 So there's already some tension a bruin. 371 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:41.319 Yeah. So by this time, both the teams are starting 372 00:18:41.319 --> 00:18:44.359 to head back to the dugouts. Rangers fans had decided 373 00:18:44.599 --> 00:18:48.960 to defend their team too. They began throwing food beer 374 00:18:49.000 --> 00:18:53.720 at the Indians players and their coaches, hurling insults, taunting them, 375 00:18:53.839 --> 00:18:56.359 so much so that the catcher Dave Duncan had to 376 00:18:56.480 --> 00:18:59.319 restrain or had to be restrained, sorry, so that he 377 00:18:59.359 --> 00:19:02.640 didn't go up to the stands and start fighting Rangers fans. 378 00:19:03.240 --> 00:19:08.240 Really, Hey, yes, holy this is that's kind of getting 379 00:19:08.279 --> 00:19:11.160 pretty out of control there. Oh for sure, I kind 380 00:19:11.200 --> 00:19:15.200 of can understand it among the players, But then to 381 00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:17.079 also get so fired up that you're going to go 382 00:19:17.119 --> 00:19:19.119 into the stands, well, think of it, and nobody it 383 00:19:19.119 --> 00:19:20.720 would not go well for that person either. 384 00:19:20.880 --> 00:19:23.640 These people are throwing shit at you and like calling 385 00:19:23.640 --> 00:19:25.480 you names and stuff, and you're just trying to mind 386 00:19:25.519 --> 00:19:27.480 your own business and you're already on high tension. 387 00:19:27.559 --> 00:19:30.039 Well I get it, but I mean one single person 388 00:19:30.119 --> 00:19:31.079 going to the stands. 389 00:19:31.160 --> 00:19:32.279 Oh yeah, you're gonna get your ass. 390 00:19:32.319 --> 00:19:35.279 You're gonna get like a little fucked up, just a little. 391 00:19:35.480 --> 00:19:37.039 Like I would not advise that. 392 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:39.279 Yeah, So going to the stands or not. Though, Like, 393 00:19:39.359 --> 00:19:43.400 tensions were super high. But the game did carry on 394 00:19:43.799 --> 00:19:47.480 and the Rangers actually won three nothing Okay, But when 395 00:19:47.519 --> 00:19:50.759 given the chance to ease the growing troubles between both teams, 396 00:19:51.119 --> 00:19:56.440 the Rangers manager Billy Martin, sorry Billy Martin, did the 397 00:19:56.559 --> 00:20:01.880 exact opposite. In an after game inn with a Cleveland reporter, 398 00:20:02.480 --> 00:20:06.440 Billy Martin had a lot to say. So the reporter 399 00:20:06.559 --> 00:20:09.839 asked Billy if he was going to take his armor 400 00:20:10.000 --> 00:20:12.680 to the Cleveland game after the Rangers fans had treated 401 00:20:12.680 --> 00:20:15.960