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Speaker 1: Can God rescue people from same sex attraction?

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Speaker 2: He can?

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Speaker 1: Does he always know? There is a group called Change

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Movement that Change Movement dot com and the executive pastor there,

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Leon yonk joins us to talk just about this and

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thank you to Visible at go bisible dot com and

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of course to God Almighty.

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Speaker 3: The Todd Herman Show is one hundred percent disapproved, but

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big pharma technocrats and tyrans everywhere from the high mountains

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of Free America. Here's the Emerald City exile Todd Herman.

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Speaker 1: Today is the day the Lord has made and these

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are the times to which God is the Saturd we

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shall live. And Pastor Leon Yank joins me Change Movement

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dot Com. Good to have you here, Leon, thanks for

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coming on. I appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: I thought good to be you. So.

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Speaker 1: I know you have a personal testimony related to this,

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and let's start there, because I found that personal testimonies

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and what God can do in people's lives is very

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compelling for others and inspiring. So just set forth talk

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to us.

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Speaker 3: Cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So I grew up in the eighties. I grew up

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in South Africa on My dad was a farmer, My parents.

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You know, pretty happy childhood. You know, loved being out

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on the farm and you know, doing life without a

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lot of technology. And at the you know, went to

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Jurchs from a young age, which you know, going to

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churchs was kind of part of the culture I lived in.

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You know, it was a place for connection with people

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on a Sunday. You know, you're pretty rural, and you know,

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at the age of eighty years old, I got involved

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in sex play with other boys the same age as me.

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It created a lot of confusion in me, a lot

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of shame. Also felt good, but I also knew it

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was wrong. From what I've picked up from going to church.

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I started living with the I kind of had this fear,

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like you know, from my understanding at a young age

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from going to church, like this is like the ultimately

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you know this and there's like, no, it's defiling. It's

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worse than anything else, you know, and just like in

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this constant battle and shame. And then you know, at

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the age of thirteen, I went to boarding school, which

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is quite common because of this stance, you know, you

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can't rive every day, and that's when I the first

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time I started feeling suicidal.

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Speaker 2: In the priest.

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Speaker 4: You know, I was like thirteen years old. I was

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sitting on my bed with the spills and got in

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the wind in my life. Without me even knowing it

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at the time, there was a boy that was two

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years older than me in school. I woke, you know,

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I wrote a little note and gave it to him

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and gave the pills to him. He didn't make a

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big scene. Now I know he was a Christian, but

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he didn't make a big scene at the time. But

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it just started looking out for me.

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Speaker 2: And God is so good.

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Speaker 4: I just had coffee with this guy this January, like

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twenty five years later, and we.

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Speaker 2: Got to talk and I got to tell the story.

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Speaker 4: Well, it was just like this beautiful moment, you know,

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and his son is now in the same school, and

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it was just this beautiful moment. But you know, unfortunately,

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during my five years in boarding school, you know, during school,

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I got I was involved in sexual encounters with one

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other boy. You know, each time it feels nice, but

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then you know, it's just this tremendous shame and guilt.

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Speaker 2: I'm just wrestling and inside all the time, you know, and.

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Speaker 4: I kind of you know, the environment I grew up

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one you know I was good in I wouldn't say

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I excelled this, but you know, I liked sports. I

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played cricket, tennis, I played a bit of rugby, and

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you know, I just, you know, I was just like

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one of the boys.

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Speaker 2: Really I didn't you know, I felt like I feed

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it in with that.

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Speaker 4: But you know, there was this thing in the inside

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of me, you know, all of a sudden, my friends

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are like, ah, they're starting a bit to date girls

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and talking about the girls, and I'm like, wow, I'm

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not like feeling I feel an attraction to boys, you know,

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I'm like crying out to God and I'm like, God,

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if you are real, if you can change everything, you know,

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take this away.

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Speaker 2: And nothing happened.

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Speaker 4: And you know, then that's when I was eighteen, I

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moved to the UK, you know, which was common in

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those days. You know a lot of people took like

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I was originally just going to take a gap year.

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stopped going to church because you know, growing up with

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my parents, I kind of had to go. And then

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in school, it was like a Christian based school so

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everything I kind of did because I had to. And

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then you know, living I must say during this time.

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So now the world the day is crying like well

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you can left as right. You know, it doesn't like

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a big thing, but you know, you I start to

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see in the news like same sex relationships and you

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yet about the claps and things. But somehow in my insight,

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you know, even though I wasn't working with God, I

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need you know, something was just I'm like, I don't

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want that God, you know, and I would still cry

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odd to God.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're talking with Leon about God's design for

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his life and God's design to bring us all back

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to him, God the Father, as many as will come.

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God also designed our bodies to be understandable, and there

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are miraculous things that we can do when we understand

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Speaker 4: You know then I just you know, I got stuck

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in maybe drinking, pornography, masturbation. You know, I just went

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down the cycle of trying to sell to self and

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I'm just feeling.

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Speaker 2: I was feeling, and you know, on.

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Speaker 4: The outside you would have said, oh, it's the life

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of the party, but on the inside, I was slowly dying.

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Speaker 2: It really felt like I was living a double life

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in some ways.

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Speaker 4: So I'm working for this company and one of my colleagues,

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bless her, she went through this really difficult time. She

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started going to church and then she invited me to churts.

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I think this is a nine, you know, and that

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was my reintroduction to churchs. And I walked in the

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church the first time. I thought the people are crazy,

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they clapping as they're waiting flats, but yet they felt

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so free, and you know, that was like my introduction

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back into churchs.

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Speaker 2: So then she moved away. And then about two years later.

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Speaker 4: So this was like middle of students and the twelve

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I'm again at my lowers low. I'm like, I just

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want to end my life. I'm crying out to God.

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The feelings is not going away. I feel how bless

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and what's the point of living? And I'm like, you know,

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somehow the spirit whispered to me. You know, I didn't

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know it was elispired at that time, but go to

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churchs So went to chairs the Sunday and God just

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had all the pieces lined up. I turned up at

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jets and they talked about Alpha course that was starting

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the following week. You know Alpha course is it's quite

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big in the UK. It's about exploring Christianity and you

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can ask any question. And you know, I had like

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in my first group where I had like a Muslim,

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I had kept you know, there was all different background

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people and it's really about having a discussion and asking questions.

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And the very first night, the lady next to me

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asked the past a question that is really the question

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remember exactly how she phrased it, but it was along

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the line she had a friend or family member that

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was you know, sexually reship struggling, and how they would

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reat this person if he comes to church. And the

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way the pastor answered that question was with such love

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and compassion. It just I mean, I was like, well

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Speaker 2: Beautiful, So I did this course. God just connecting with people.

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back road of the church and I'm trying. I like,

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I just want to run out after the service, and

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every time somebody would come and speak to me, and

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I'm like, what is wrong with these people?

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Speaker 2: Why are they so friendly?

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Speaker 4: But every week, you know, people would just connect with

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me and I started, you know, finding a place and

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then the friends who did Actually the one Sunday I'm

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sitting in churchs I'm again thinking I'm not going to

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come back next week. You know, for me, it was

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scary to go to church on my own and you

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walk in and you know, you kind of alone. Where

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do you fit in? And I'm just I just had

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a sport. I'm not going to come back Sunday and

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somebody come up to me and say, hey, come and

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say to us, I mean and God is like every

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time I'm trying to you know, God just send somebody.

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I had to take a risk. You know, this was

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a risky for me to go to somebody's house. It

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was like all new, you know, and they would worship together,

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they would read the Bible and then I have small

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group discussions, and you know, I'm just at this point,

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I'm like, this is weird, but somehow I feel some

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kind of peace when I go there, you know, and

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there's two guys, one guy in my small group. He

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took my phone number and he said, hey, we really

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want to connect with you. And I read the Bible

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with you and I'm going to send you message. And

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I in my head, I'm thinking, you are crazy. Why

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do you want to read the Bible on a Wednesday?

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Speaker 1: But I'm going to go with it on Wednesday?

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Speaker 4: You know, isn't it like a Sunday thing? And you know,

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I knew from growing up. You know, my mom would

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always think, you know, you should read your Bible. But

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I just you know, I wasn't in that rhythm. I wasn't,

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you know, you know, I'm it's like being saved together,

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saved all over.

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Speaker 2: And you know, these two.

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Speaker 4: Guys, they we would get together and have a meal together,

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and you know, it was just this amazing time, you know,

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of connection. And then we read this book like Finding

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Your Identity in Christ. We were reading this book together

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and we would pray for each other. And about two

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months in, but it's like a marked Rascal book Who

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Do You Think You Are? And it was it just

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folk like, you know what I needed to hear in

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that moment. God used that book so powerfully because we

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would really you know, each week we do a better

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homework and own and then we come together and discuss it.

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About two months in, I'm like, I need to tell

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this guys, this struggle that I've been having. But you know,

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it's it's really really scary.

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to take it back right, And you know, you're really

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giving somebody your most deeper secret and what are they

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to walk out of you in shame and this is

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going to be really painful, And I say to them,

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bear with me. I'm like sweating. I'm sitting on the

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couch for ten minutes, and finally I'm getting the words

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out here. At this point, I'm thirty thirty one years

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old and this is the first time I'm eva stating

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this with anybody. My goodness, and I cannot tell it

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was like as soon as I've said it. It was

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like this weight, that's what was on my shoulders. It

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this wow feeling, and you know what, they just looked

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just you know, they just loved me with me, They like,

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finding people, you.

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and you know, and just seeing God's love and his

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grace through those other people. So then fast forward, you know,

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the next January, January two thirteen. So at this point,

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pray for me and like that. You know, I haven't

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had a craving since. And I think that's the first

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and then you know, then the journey just continue.

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a bunch of places. You know, I would always encourage

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people I don't know. I started on the welcome team,

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in the coffee team, and you know, wherever I could serve.

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fun for me to get to learn the Bible. English

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is my second language, you know, so to get to

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lot of friends, but I didn't have a lot of

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this was like a whole new level for me. You know, God,

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you know, brought these brothers alongside me. You know, I

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like all kinds, you know, I had like brothers, and

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then I had like moms and dads. You know, it

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was at families and these you know, my friendships through

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these men. You know, they didn't have the same struggle

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so illing for me. You know, those guys came alongside

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me and said to me, we love you. You know

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unhealfy touch like this, you know.

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me and yes, to bring you know, to bring ealing

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Speaker 4: And then I got baptized, and I mean, I've forgot

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now how many people wrote me the verse two Crenthians

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five seventeen. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, then you

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know your new creations, that all this gone, the newest come.

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I couldn't grasp the verse in that moment. But you know,

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later on, I realized, like, wow, I'm really a new creation.

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Speaker 2: And you know, then it came.

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still struggling with pornography and masturbation, and you know, and

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then God, you know, God was so gracious. He didn't say, oh,

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you're going to be you know, we're going to do

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was it took time. Okay, now we're going to work

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Speaker 2: Now we're going to work on this. And then eventually,

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you know, I'm like, I open up.

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think four of my friends, guy friends came alongside me

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that was my breaking out of pornography and masturbation. You know, like,

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now I'm going to be accountable. You know, I'm going

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to tell these guys when I'm struggling. And you know,

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that was like another you know, I just wasn't used

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to that type of especially with other guys, you know,

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sharing these things and then you know, fast forward from

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the then, I kind of was in this place where

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Speaker 2: With same sex attraction. This will be my thing your cross.

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of my I'm kind of still thinking, well, God, you know,

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reading God's work and all the medicals is doing God can.

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and one of my bodies is with me, and the

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first night during worship, I felt list better talking speaking

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to me. You know, It's like that feeling that I

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know inside that God is starting to work on me

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on the way I see myself and my sexuality. And

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and it's like, okay, yeah, just lean in and see

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three days and then the Tuesday morning, I'm staying at

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I heard the voice I've got in my ad you

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are free. I've never had it like that before. I've

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never had it like that since. But you know, it's

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last three days he started speaking to me about my sexuality, goodness,

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everything that feels different but also the same. It's like

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the weird, weird dynamic.

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Speaker 4: You know, I got so much hope in that moment

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from God, and you know, then the journey started.

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prophetic words that were so similar.

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so you know, I'm standing in line and this pastor

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Speaker 4: Gives me this way and I'm like, well, yeah, whatever,

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second time, a third time, and it's from a random

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people that I don't know, and they spoke things into

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Speaker 2: You know. One of it was about where God's going

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to take me. And then I'm going to move.

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Speaker 4: You know, I just two years before started what I

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thought was my job where I'm going to retire. Yeah,

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so you know that instead, you know, And when that

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Speaker 2: And you know, I went and.

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to lean into that. And one of it was applying

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to go to ministry school, you know. And then I

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you know, I'm like, okay, I'm going to do that.

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if this is you, You're good with opening doors and

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closing doors that's not supposed to be open, but all

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the doors just open up.

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we're doing an appraisal for the following year. Bear in mind,

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my boss is not a believer, you know, at that time,

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God's been speaking to me about, you know, going to

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America and doing this. And you know, even after I

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told her that, she was so kind. You know, she

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didn't tell eight office, which was in a different country

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at that moment. You know, I got a pyrise that

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Speaker 2: Still. It was you know, God was just I could

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see God's blessing on my life in that moment.

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Speaker 4: And then you know, came to America, did ministry school

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year and I Ken Williams and Elizabeth Warning, who's the

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co founders of Jamee's movement, and these guys come out

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and they speak and I'm like, oh my word, there's

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more people that's got this testimony and that's walked through

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with us. And that's where I got connected with Ken,

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I think that first two years when I was America,

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probably three years, was all about God rewiring my mind.

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Speaker 3: You know.

475
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Speaker 4: I keep you know, Romans twelve, you know, being transformed

476
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on and newing of your mind and just reading up

477
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about the brain. And there's a doc, doctor Caroline Leave,

478
00:23:51,559 --> 00:23:54,200
that's this amazing. I can't forgot the book's name but

479
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there's a forty day brain detox in it.

480
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I mean it was just like transforming my life,

481
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you know.

482
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Speaker 4: And then I'm like, I was looking at myself a

483
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certain way for thirty years and believing the lies.

484
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Speaker 2: And God was just starting to work with me, you know,

485
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and it was it did.

486
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Speaker 4: It was a lot of art work to shift my

487
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thinking the way I see myself loving myself and yeah,

488
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and there is this history and yeah I am to that,

489
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you know, you know, I would still my journey was Okay,

490
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now now I'm changed, but now I need to walk

491
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that out and you know, our temptations that might come,

492
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but okay, that's not who I am, you know God,

493
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And I just started.

494
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Speaker 2: This continuous dialogue with God, like, God, what do you

495
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say about this? Is that true?

496
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Speaker 4: No? And distinguishing the voice you know, it's just my voice,

497
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,799
it's just the enemy. Is that God speaking to me?

498
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And just learning to you God's voice? And yeah, and

499
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that's I mean, I'm just you know, that's where my

500
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heart really started aking. For Oh well, I hate to

501
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,119
see you know, the situation I was on in feeling

502
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:08,079
suicidal and hopeless and God stand this for me, and like,

503
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,640
oh wow, like how can I how can I be

504
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,000
involved in help other people? And yeah, that's where so

505
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,680
I was meeting with Ken and deciding where to do

506
00:25:16,839 --> 00:25:19,960
my internship in school, and you know, we're trying to

507
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,079
figure out, well, you should be with a dad or

508
00:25:22,079 --> 00:25:23,279
you should be with this person.

509
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Speaker 2: And I'm looking one day and I'm like, I should

510
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be with you.

511
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Speaker 4: You know, did my internship with them, and you know,

512
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and just you know, being under their leadership and you know,

513
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coming in and just diving into you know, Leizbeth. That's

514
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:43,039
incredible teaching on biblical sexual sexuality, sexual ethics, and yeah,

515
00:25:43,079 --> 00:25:44,759
and it's just such a joy to be here and

516
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,240
now to be able to disciple other men that's on

517
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,640
this journey and to give like like really these hope

518
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,400
for this and for most, for most of it, it's

519
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,480
a journey. You know, God can God can do something

520
00:25:57,519 --> 00:26:00,640
in an instant instant, but you know, for most it's

521
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a journey.

522
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Speaker 1: Leon just praise God and so inspiring what you've heard,

523
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,279
what I've heard from you, And I think the Church

524
00:26:08,319 --> 00:26:11,000
has made this tremendous mistake of and you talked about

525
00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:15,440
this making same sex activity or attraction the special sin,

526
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,640
this abomination among all abominations, and yeah, the Old Testament

527
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,279
says that. And guess what it says a lot of

528
00:26:21,319 --> 00:26:24,400
things are abominations. Yeah, a whole number of things. This

529
00:26:24,559 --> 00:26:27,599
encourages me and says listening to you, though. I interviewed

530
00:26:27,599 --> 00:26:30,400
a woman who for about four years had lost her

531
00:26:30,559 --> 00:26:34,960
kids because she became dreadfully addicted to heroin. And she

532
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:39,559
went through treatment programs in Seattle, and true story, she'd

533
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,640
walk out of a month long treatment program, they would

534
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,839
open the doors, you know, give her stuff back, open

535
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,559
the doors, goodbye, good luck, and within five feet someone

536
00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:49,759
would offer her free heroin.

537
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 3: Wow.

538
00:26:51,839 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 1: And they just prayed on people coming out of those places.

539
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:59,720
And everybody knew this. So when she eventually realized that

540
00:26:59,799 --> 00:27:02,799
she can't get well in Seattle, that she needs to

541
00:27:02,839 --> 00:27:04,960
go to a different place, and she had a court

542
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,640
ordered thing, as she begged the judge, please not Seattle,

543
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,519
Please let me go to someplace where this doesn't happen.

544
00:27:10,559 --> 00:27:13,119
And the judge didn't know what happened, he said, everybody

545
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,160
else knew. So she went to a rural area, she

546
00:27:16,279 --> 00:27:19,480
got treatment, and she stayed there leon there was no

547
00:27:19,559 --> 00:27:22,039
one out there offering her heroin. She got a job

548
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,640
praise God. She went back to church, got intervened in

549
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,240
her life, she got her kids back, but she swears

550
00:27:28,519 --> 00:27:30,480
had she not gotten to that rural place, she never

551
00:27:30,519 --> 00:27:33,119
would have gotten off. My question for you is you

552
00:27:33,839 --> 00:27:37,160
confessed to godly men. Yeah, you confess to your same

553
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,519
sex attraction, your struggles with that. I assume the activity

554
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,759
undertaken and they accepted you, and they had that response

555
00:27:43,759 --> 00:27:45,359
a lot of us. I was like, wow, you sin too,

556
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,160
look at that. Yeah, have you ever thought about what

557
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,559
would have happened if the enemy or you'd allowed yourself

558
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,880
to have the enemy take you into a different place

559
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,400
where you confessed and men said, oh, there's nothing wrong

560
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:57,599
with that.

561
00:27:58,880 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 2: No, we do that too.

562
00:28:00,759 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 1: Is that Have you cycled on that mentally?

563
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 4: But yeah, I've thought about that. You know, you get

564
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,400
the gay filming church now, you know. And I'm like,

565
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,839
if I look back when I was very you know,

566
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,440
it will be really confusing. Yep, you know, And I

567
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,759
could have gone a different way. But you know, I

568
00:28:17,079 --> 00:28:20,279
mentioned this, like even before I was walking with God

569
00:28:20,759 --> 00:28:23,519
and the world was screaming out there already you can come.

570
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,279
Speaker 2: That's why you can be that way. This is who

571
00:28:25,319 --> 00:28:25,559
you are.

572
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,599
Speaker 4: Something inside of me internally, whether that was God, you know,

573
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,720
something didn't set right in me or with me all along.

574
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,519
I never I never pursued like the lifestyle or going

575
00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:39,880
into a cup cult or like I'm like, something just

576
00:28:40,119 --> 00:28:40,920
blocked me from that.

577
00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:43,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, I can see you know that's that

578
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,079
can be extremely confusing. Yeah.

579
00:28:46,359 --> 00:28:49,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it is also very confusing for

580
00:28:49,759 --> 00:28:53,359
people to accept gay as an identity.

581
00:28:54,039 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 2: Yep.

582
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: Right, And I try to use the phrase same sex

583
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:02,039
attractor because it conveys a feeling. Yeah, So is that

584
00:29:02,759 --> 00:29:06,279
do you find it more difficult for people who have

585
00:29:06,599 --> 00:29:10,279
begun to pronounce themselves as gay versus people who feel

586
00:29:10,359 --> 00:29:13,000
same sex attracted to pronounce that? Is it harder for

587
00:29:13,039 --> 00:29:14,960
people who've arrived at calling themselves gay.

588
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 4: In it?

589
00:29:17,079 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 2: I am, yes and no.

590
00:29:18,079 --> 00:29:20,319
Speaker 4: For some it might be it because people are so

591
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,440
making the identity in something. You know, for me, my

592
00:29:24,559 --> 00:29:25,680
identity is in Christ.

593
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:26,359
Speaker 2: You know.

594
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 4: One of the guys that came alongside me was like, well,

595
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,880
I really struggle. I get angry really quickly, but my

596
00:29:32,039 --> 00:29:35,759
identity is not anger. You know, my identity is stay Christ.

597
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,160
But I think once you put you out that's who

598
00:29:40,279 --> 00:29:44,160
I am, you know, it becomes harder you know, it's

599
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,720
like I am this well, actually, I'm just a son

600
00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:50,440
of God, you know, And I might have struggled with

601
00:29:50,599 --> 00:29:52,440
this or struggled with this, and there's still some things

602
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,640
I struggle with, but I'm still a son of God.

603
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 2: My identity. Identity is huge, you know, it's probably one

604
00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:01,440
of the best. Like, why did you put your identity

605
00:30:02,799 --> 00:30:03,680
right right?

606
00:30:04,279 --> 00:30:08,319
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more. Man, what a war Leon has

607
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,279
been through and how God has brought him through it.

608
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Praise God. He's here to help. My friend Tim Krukshank

609
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did three deployments on our behalf as a Navy seal

610
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who's a medic attached to the seal teams, and he

611
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is specifically honoring the men who were killed in Extortion seventeen.

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on the back is a description of what happened. Now,

615
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it's a careful description because Tim knows what happened, but

616
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there's things he can say in can't because Tim has

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this is why I use this phrase same sex attracted

629
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because I want people to not not lock themselves into.

630
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 2: A box yep exactly. And and.

631
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: And you've seen other men come out of this, and

632
00:31:29,599 --> 00:31:31,640
you've been involved in this. What are some of the

633
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,319
common factors of people who succeed in allowing God to

634
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:35,079
change in this way?

635
00:31:37,359 --> 00:31:40,039
Speaker 2: You know, a lot of it is hard work, you know,

636
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:41,079
I tell you know.

637
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,119
Speaker 4: When I lead my ments Online Discipling Discapleship group, you know,

638
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,440
I encourage the guys before we do the group. It's

639
00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:52,160
like get plugged into a local church, get you know,

640
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,200
get some people that can come alongside you don't look

641
00:31:56,279 --> 00:31:58,640
for perfect jurts because I can tell you you're going

642
00:31:58,720 --> 00:31:59,279
to keep looking.

643
00:32:00,039 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 2: You know, it's all humans.

644
00:32:01,759 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 4: But you know, I have a lot of grace, get

645
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,279
some people to come alongside you, and you need to

646
00:32:06,359 --> 00:32:09,920
put the work in. Pornography is a huge problem today,

647
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,920
and you know, I would tell the guy. You know,

648
00:32:14,119 --> 00:32:16,480
so many people we see struggle with pornography, and I

649
00:32:16,519 --> 00:32:18,480
would like, you need to nip that in the bat.

650
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,440
You know, if it's something you don't want to do,

651
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,559
you need to be radical. That might mean get rid

652
00:32:23,599 --> 00:32:25,799
of your smartphone or you know what you do if

653
00:32:25,799 --> 00:32:26,279
you're computer.

654
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 3: You know.

655
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Speaker 4: So I've seen, like right, you know, with people that

656
00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:33,039
really make radical choices in their life that I want

657
00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:35,799
to lever God, honoring life and you know, and having

658
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,240
community alongside them, brothers and sisters that they can share

659
00:32:40,359 --> 00:32:44,680
life with and be vulnerable with. And you know, when

660
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,880
stuff came up or I'm feeling this way or I'm

661
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,960
tempted this way. I mean for me, when I started

662
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,279
doing that, that is through it off of the battle.

663
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:53,839
Speaker 2: That's awesome.

664
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Speaker 1: And God is an awesome god in that way. I mean,

665
00:32:56,799 --> 00:33:00,240
it always is an awesome guy. Yeah, how do you

666
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,000
how do you advise that the that the true biblically

667
00:33:05,319 --> 00:33:09,200
strict churches of whatever, you know, Evangelic, whatever, how do

668
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,039
you advise them to deal with the existence of what

669
00:33:12,319 --> 00:33:15,559
is called gay Christianity, or what I would call the

670
00:33:15,839 --> 00:33:17,720
false churches. I mean, let's just be honest. They're teaching

671
00:33:17,759 --> 00:33:21,960
a false doctrine because it does create confusion. I have

672
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,240
friends who have left the Catholic Church, and they've left

673
00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:27,640
it behind, and now they're at same sex affirming churches.

674
00:33:28,079 --> 00:33:30,880
And I watched them walk down this path where all

675
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,759
of a sudden, it's not just that that Jesus sponsors

676
00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:37,319
same sex attraction, is that he never spoke about marriage,

677
00:33:37,359 --> 00:33:39,799
and people are born in the wrong body, and it's

678
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,640
just this very predictable path. Now it's you know, I'm

679
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,759
onto this new leftist thing, et cetera, and and we

680
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,880
must teach this sex ad and everybody's racist, and it's

681
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,480
just this very predictable walk. So what would you advise

682
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,400
that the church proper or churches do biblically strict churches

683
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,480
about these these false doctrine churches.

684
00:33:58,799 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, a big thing of what we do is,

685
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,319
you know that's really on our leader's heart is equipping

686
00:34:05,359 --> 00:34:08,280
the church you know, now to be a loving place

687
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,480
for people to come in. You know, the church should

688
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,800
be a safe place for people to come. But I

689
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,159
would say something practical. You know, if you are leading

690
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,320
a church, your churchs, I think it's important that the

691
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,599
church speak about sex and sexuality and what is your

692
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:27,679
stance on this. You know, have your whatever your sexuality

693
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,760
statement is, have it on your website, you know, so

694
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:30,920
there's no confusion.

695
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 2: This is what we believe.

696
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 4: And then when when people come, you know and speak

697
00:34:35,519 --> 00:34:39,239
about this, you know, don't never speak about sexual sexuality

698
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,679
or homosexuality in your churchs. And then you have a

699
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,280
couple that come in and they want to go into

700
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a leadership position and they're like, well, we saw you

701
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,599
in a same sex relationship.

702
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Speaker 2: You can't do that.

703
00:34:50,039 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 4: And then like, well, you've never spoken about this. So

704
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,000
I think be loving, be speak love with truth, and

705
00:34:56,119 --> 00:35:00,599
be open and speak you know. You know, I grew

706
00:35:00,679 --> 00:35:02,119
up in a gent way. I don't think we ever

707
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spoke either anything on sex or sexuality or you know,

708
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or something like that. So I think if you speak

709
00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:12,760
the truth, you know, in a loving way, you know,

710
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,079
they it takes out a lot of confusion. Yeah, and

711
00:35:16,199 --> 00:35:18,639
then I have some postoral people. You know, if you

712
00:35:18,679 --> 00:35:20,840
have people that struggle, it's like I have some people

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that's ready to come alongside them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And so I'm picturing my mind people who are

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listening to talk about the church and the church proper

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and then they're saying, what about me? So there are

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gonna be people listening to this and they have same

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sex attracted kids or grandkids or brothers and sisters, and

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they will look you in the eye and say, oh,

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I see, So he's the he's the prayer the gay

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away guy. Yeah, okay, so that's what we just We

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just pray the gay away a that that uniquely understates

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the power of God. But you didn't pray the so

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called gay away you you went through this process.

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Speaker 2: So what would you say, Yeah to people.

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Speaker 1: Who are of that mindset that hey, I don't believe

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we can pray the gay way and I've seen all

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the movies and that can't change and talk there these

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torture and.

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Speaker 4: Well ton, I can tell you this. I tried to

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pray it away myself and it didn't work like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know I've said that, I you know, without

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anybody ever praying that for me.

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Speaker 2: I've prayed that for myself. God was far more interested

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in me as a person and being in my heart

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and in my life.

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Speaker 4: And you know, the best way the more I leaned

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into God and making you know, that's the number one

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relationship in my life. And the more I leaned into

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that and into the truth and wrestling with that as

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a lot and speaking about it. You know, as that

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went up, there's feelings I was feeling. I was like, well,

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that doesn't have such hold on me anymore. Yeah, And

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you know, it used to drive me when I would

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hear people say that as well, well you just need

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to spend more time with God, And I was like,

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well that's but actually.

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Speaker 2: I just needed to spend time with God. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And you know, and and through through our you know,

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ratling with scriptures where you're like, well, you know the

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Bible says that, but I'm not feeling that, or you know,

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having conversation. You know, it's so so important having people

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in your life that you can trust and be real

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with and and speak with.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, you know it, God did that work in me.

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Speaker 4: You know, it was like it's a ten year journey

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that I've been on and it's still continuing praise God.

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But never ever once, you know, did somebody come up

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to me and say, we just we just need to

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pray for you that God take it away. And in

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my you know, even though I prayed that before I

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was saved and in the beginning of my walk with God,

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nobody else came up to me and said, we just

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need to pray that away or you have a demon.

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You know, Nobody's ever told me that. And I've heard

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of people that that's happened to, which is really sad.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and and Changed Movements, so Change Movement dot Com

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and yeah, so talk about what the organization does and

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then how this podcast and radio show family membership how

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they can help.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So we I mean, we have a bunch of people,

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you know, Ken Williams and Elizabeth Wanning started it back

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in twenty eighteen, I think, and it's just people from

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all different backgrounds.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: We're based in northern California and we've got a team

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of maybe sixteen, you know, including some volunteers up here.

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But then we've got people that from all over the

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world really that's reached out to us, you know with

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their testimonies where I've got a similar testimony and or

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you know, God stand this in my life. We have

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people that transitioned and the transition. No, it's like a

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whole variety of people, you know, and it's just we

787
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just you know, part of it is sharing the message

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that I actually God can do this. You know, we

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serve a powerful God. And not one of the stories

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is the same. It's all different exactly. So you know,

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we just basically collected testimonies, you know, and we've got

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it on our website and we've got a printed book

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and then a big thing what we do is equipping churches.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: We've got some people on our team that would go

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out to different churches and we might do like a

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Saturday workshop, you know, and Jesson, how you navigate this?

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Speaker 2: How you walk with somebody? You know, what does the

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Bible say?

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Speaker 4: We've got an online series on our website called and

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Navigating LGBT where there's like a bunch of teachings and

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testimonies in So it's how our art is really is

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like how can we equip the church to respond to

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this issue in a trueful, loving way and be equipped?

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You know, we go to some churches and it's like, oh,

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we've got somebody that came to our church. We don't

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know what to do with this struggle. But yeah, I

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mean just just having churches being equipped like actually we have,

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we can respond to this.

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Speaker 2: We can love the people, we can walk with them.

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That's a big thing of what we do. Praise God.

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Speaker 1: And how can people help? How can they help Change

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Movement dot Com?

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean we we we.

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Speaker 4: I'll find you know, we reliant on donut you know,

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all out everything we do is you know, so if

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people want to help, you know, they can go on line,

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they can donate on our website and we've yeah, we've

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got a whole bunch of resources on there. But yeah,

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we you know, if people or you know, if people

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think they have a need for somebody like Change Movement

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to come and equip the church, you know, they get

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each out to us on our website and praise God.

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Speaker 2: Well, i'd something up.

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Speaker 1: I'm asking people to give money. So I think the

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average donation these days and nonprofits in America runs around

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eighty five or ninety bucks. If you can afford that.

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I have no relationship with these guys. We just did

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this first interview, give eighty nine or you know, ninety bucks.

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It's average. If you've been uniquely blessed and this resonates

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with you. If you've been rescued from same sex X

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attraction or activity, you've been rescued from, you know, from pornography,

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you've been rescued from any of this. You know people

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who have help this organization with whatever you can afford.

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And it's Changemovement dot com. Don't need any code word.

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I have no relationship with these guys, no financial relationship whatsoever.

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But I'm calling on people to support this ministry and Leanne.

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I would love to have you back. I'd love to

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talk to other people who.

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Speaker 2: Been this way.

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Speaker 1: I'd love to have you comment on policy, et cetera.

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And I just want to say I am absolutely uniquely

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blessed to have heard this from you, and I thank

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you very very much, my friend.

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Speaker 2: You very welcome.

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Speaker 1: All Right, God bless you. This is the Todd Hermit Show.

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Please go be well, be strong, be kind, Please make

848
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every effort to walk in the light of Christ and

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celebrate for me as I get to go home and

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see my beloved wife,