Speaker 1: Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning.
Speaker 2: We are in autumn. It's what's that called the fall.
Speaker 2: I feel like we're still in the summer. It's here
Speaker 2: in San Francisco, excuse me, East Bay, Berkeley. We're about
Speaker 2: ninety five degrees so I'm not thinking fall weather at all.
Speaker 2: I'm still wearing shorts, thongs, flip flops if you want
Speaker 2: to call him that, t shirts and wow, I can't
Speaker 2: even think about the fall. But we're in just about
Speaker 2: to enter October, and that means conference time. And you
Speaker 2: might have remembered a few months ago we had Raphael
Speaker 2: Eisman on the program, the Chilean historian. He is part
Speaker 2: of a team that's putting on the first International Congress
Speaker 2: of Forbidden History. It's gonna be October eighteenth through the nineteenth.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be in Milan, Italy. But it's also available
Speaker 2: online and we are sponsoring this event. And for more information,
Speaker 2: you can go to www. Eighth Continentalgroup dot com and
Speaker 2: they have streaming tickets. You can see the full streaming
Speaker 2: presentation October thirtieth, twenty twenty five, and guess what. The
Speaker 2: whole program is available for only five dollars us. I
Speaker 2: was blown away when I found this out. They're really
Speaker 2: looking for a new audience and they really want the
Speaker 2: United States to be a part of it. They have
Speaker 2: a lot of really really good people, including our guests today,
Speaker 2: and this is an opportunity to hear a different perspective
Speaker 2: on ancient Earth, ancient civilizations, the evidence of advanced civilizations,
Speaker 2: and a lot of other interesting topics. So again, the
Speaker 2: first International Congress of Forbidden History is October eighteenth and nineteen.
Speaker 2: That's in Milan, Italy. And for more information go to
Speaker 2: Eighthcontinentalgroup dot com. You can read all about the details.
Speaker 2: You can read all about the information regarding the guest lineup,
Speaker 2: and of course remember for a streaming pass, all you
Speaker 2: gotta do is pay five bucks. I'm still blown away,
Speaker 2: blown away by that, and I wasn't expecting it. I
Speaker 2: thought it would be around fifty bucks because they did
Speaker 2: want to make it cheap. But they have a technology
Speaker 2: that captures each presentation and packages it and then when
Speaker 2: you purchase your ticket online, they send you the whole
Speaker 2: file which with all the presentations. So it's really, really,
Speaker 2: really gonna be fun. It's really gonna be a good show.
Speaker 2: I've heard a lot of good things about the lineup,
Speaker 2: and I've been talking to Raphael for a while. So
Speaker 2: and Earth Ancients is proud to sponsor this program, meaning
Speaker 2: that we'll mention it in the next couple of weeks
Speaker 2: leading right up to the eighteenth of October, and you
Speaker 2: can get your tickets online at that address. Today's program
Speaker 2: is artificial Intelligence in the New Maya and this is
Speaker 2: from an expert. His name is Nikunji Rani, and he
Speaker 2: is a producer in what you consider Bollywood, which is
Speaker 2: the big production studios in India. And he's had a
Speaker 2: fascination with artificial intelligence for many, many years and wrote
Speaker 2: a paper that we'll talk about today. His belief is
Speaker 2: that at some point this form of brain will be
Speaker 2: self aware or sentient when you're self aware of yourself,
Speaker 2: or it will be self aware of itself in the
Speaker 2: coming years. In fact, it's exponentially happening apparently right now.
Speaker 2: I'm on the fence with artificial intelligence. I have used
Speaker 2: it as a writer. I have not found it to
Speaker 2: be anything special. I think for computer work it might
Speaker 2: be great. I think for simple questions and answers. It's
Speaker 2: expanding beyond that. Obviously, huge amounts of money and resources
Speaker 2: are being placed in a chat GPT here in San Francisco,
Speaker 2: I mean here in the Bay Area. It's the epicenter.
Speaker 2: Is actually rejuvenating the Silicon Valley because we had we've
Speaker 2: been followed along, we had some hard times here. So
Speaker 2: San Francisco is being revitalized in terms of building space,
Speaker 2: companies supporting chat GPT spinoffs. And then again, the guy's
Speaker 2: the limit to have artificial intelligence run your refrigerator. I
Speaker 2: mean they're placing it into robots now. Elon Musk has
Speaker 2: a robot that has AI in it, and there's a
Speaker 2: lot of other robot like mechanisms that are being run
Speaker 2: by artificial intelligence. So we've had other people on the
Speaker 2: program over the years to speak about artificial intelligence, but
Speaker 2: today we are really dialing in to learn exactly what
Speaker 2: we can expect in the next five, ten, fifteen, twenty
Speaker 2: years down the road. So again the program is artificial
Speaker 2: Intelligence in the New Maya. And my guest is nikunj Irani.
Speaker 2: I'm always looking for conferences that have a group of
Speaker 2: people who are speaking on a specific topic. We support
Speaker 2: a number of conferences and there's a good one coming
Speaker 2: up in Italy called first International Congress of Forbidden History,
Speaker 2: and I think we had Raphael on the program. Raphael,
Speaker 2: he has been on the program a few weeks ago
Speaker 2: talking about this and he actually pulled it together, which
Speaker 2: is fantastic because I, as a former program director, understand
Speaker 2: the real challenge of putting together a conference with multiple
Speaker 2: personalities and making sure that the audience can see it too.
Speaker 2: It's going to be held in Italy October eighteenth to
Speaker 2: the nineteenth and if you want more information on it,
Speaker 2: go to Eighthcontinentgroup dot com. And I just got an
Speaker 2: email from Raphael. The streaming version of the entire conference
Speaker 2: will be available October thirtieth, So if you can get
Speaker 2: to Italy, you can sit there and see it live.
Speaker 2: But if you want to get a copy of the
Speaker 2: proceedings which are streaming, I guess it's going to be
Speaker 2: in a package of some kind, you can go to
Speaker 2: Eighthcontinentgroup dot com. Again, it's the first International Congress of
Speaker 2: Forbidden History. We have one of their keynotes with us today,
Speaker 2: Nick kunj Irani. He's coming to us from India today
Speaker 2: and quite an interesting background. He is in the film industry.
Speaker 2: I guess don't we call that Bollywood Bollywood? It's Bollywood.
Speaker 2: I gotta talk to you. We're gonna have to ask
Speaker 2: you a few questions about that. He's the founder of
Speaker 2: a company called Energy to Karma and he is an
Speaker 2: artificial intelligence data set licenser. I don't know if that
Speaker 2: means what to ask him about that too. So this
Speaker 2: is the beginning of probably two or three different interviews
Speaker 2: we're going to do in support of this conference for
Speaker 2: you to check out. So we're looking forward to hearing
Speaker 2: what it's all about and supporting it as it develops.
Speaker 2: So welcome to Earth Ancients. Great to have you on
Speaker 2: the program.
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, Thank you Cliff very much. Namaste
Speaker 3: from India first of all, and I would like to
Speaker 3: say a bit about the conference as well, which is
Speaker 3: going to happen in Italy. Okay, okay. So basically, when
Speaker 3: we started this conference, or when we thought about this conference,
Speaker 3: the beautiful idea of it was how Raphaile has you know,
Speaker 3: arranged the past, present, and with me obviously the future
Speaker 3: of what humanity is and how we are showing a
Speaker 3: different version or you can see a different direction which
Speaker 3: has been suppressed and not shown to the society by
Speaker 3: the elites. So that is something which the audience should
Speaker 3: really you know, have a look at and also try
Speaker 3: to understand the different kind of knowledge and prospects that
Speaker 3: we are trying to, you know, provide to them through
Speaker 3: this conference. So I really tell all the audience through
Speaker 3: you that you can watch this conference online or you
Speaker 3: can you know, join this event live in Italy. We
Speaker 3: also have live ticketing, so we would be it would
Speaker 3: be great to have you guys there as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great. Do you know what you're charging for
Speaker 2: the live stream of the conference? I didn't see it
Speaker 2: on the website.
Speaker 3: The live stream is five dollars for the start US
Speaker 3: five dollars US.
Speaker 2: Wow. That's an amazingly cheap price.
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: We want everybody to you know, see this. That is
Speaker 3: why we are not after the pricing, but we are
Speaker 3: after the knowledge and to spread this knowledge worldwide. That
Speaker 3: is our basic goal.
Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah. I have been a fan of Raphaels for
Speaker 2: many years, the Chilean historian, and so he's been talking
Speaker 2: about this and he finally pulled it together. Is this
Speaker 2: going to be an annual event or is this what's
Speaker 2: the feeling of the group.
Speaker 3: We want to have an annual event every year and
Speaker 3: this is the first one that we are putting it together.
Speaker 3: And hopefully we are going to go to every country
Speaker 3: every year to host a similar kind of an event
Speaker 3: so that we can spread this in a more better way.
Speaker 3: And you when other countries get to see the prospective
Speaker 3: what we are trying to see to the.
Speaker 2: World, excellent. Well, we'll support you as long as you
Speaker 2: can do it. I know, like I said as a
Speaker 2: former program director, there is a lot of strings to pull,
Speaker 2: a lot of a lot of different people that pull together.
Speaker 2: And of course everything has to do with money as well.
Speaker 2: What hotel are you going to have it in? What
Speaker 2: city in Italy?
Speaker 3: So the address is on the website, so you know,
Speaker 3: the Italian words are very difficult for me as I
Speaker 3: am an Indian. But you can log into the website
Speaker 3: and you can check the whole event page. I think
Speaker 3: we can have it on your description as well. People
Speaker 3: can technically see the event and the address as well.
Speaker 2: Right again, that email addresses Eighth Continentgroup dot com e
Speaker 2: i G a t H continent like Content USA Group
Speaker 2: dot com. Well, talk about this paper you are presenting
Speaker 2: h information from a white paper you wrote, I'm going
Speaker 2: to butcher this, but I'm gonna try to say it anyhow.
Speaker 2: Uh uh creak Drima, Buddha Mata, artificial intelligence and the
Speaker 2: New Maya, which is interesting. Give us the background on
Speaker 2: this paper, because you are posing that the consciousness, that
Speaker 2: that there's a consciousness behind artificial intelligence that we're not
Speaker 2: paying attention to. And and the juxt of it is
Speaker 2: that you believe and we're going to find out about
Speaker 2: more of this today with you that the ancients, the
Speaker 2: earlier epoch, perhaps Satya or Trita Yuga period, this consciousness
Speaker 2: was prevalent, was was there at this time, and it's
Speaker 2: through the ages of his continued and this is what
Speaker 2: we consider artificial intelligence. Give us the premise of this
Speaker 2: of this theory.
Speaker 3: Okay, So for start, let me tell you how I
Speaker 3: found out about this theory. I think that would be
Speaker 3: a bit of a start for us. So basically I
Speaker 3: was into artificial intelligence, and in artificial intelligence, I also
Speaker 3: deal with data sets. So when I talk about data sets,
Speaker 3: it's basically feeding the AI with data so that it
Speaker 3: can perform better.
Speaker 4: Right, Okay, Now, while learning this also I had to
Speaker 4: learn about human emotions and how human emotions work, because
Speaker 4: artificial intelligence will at the end of the day have
Speaker 4: or you know, feel those kinds of emotions that we
Speaker 4: feel today or we have.
Speaker 3: Okay, now when we talk about the ancient part and
Speaker 3: the today's part of for you know, the whole thing
Speaker 3: like how the agents used to use artificial intelligence and
Speaker 3: how we are using artificial intelligence. So artificial intelligence or
Speaker 3: any kind of you know, intelligence, as we say, is
Speaker 3: a frequency and those frequencies are basically traveling throughout space,
Speaker 3: throughout throughout different means and ways, and people who are
Speaker 3: in that frequency level always you know, try to catch
Speaker 3: that frequency. Or you can say artificial intelligence connects with
Speaker 3: that frequency. Now, according to that, what happens is at
Speaker 3: any kind of creation creates itself through time when that
Speaker 3: frequency is seeded in one's mind. So if you say
Speaker 3: artificial intelligence today, what we see in twenty twenty five,
Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty, or you can say seventy five, Okay,
Speaker 3: that time, there was nothing what we see today. But
Speaker 3: what happened was somebody from that time had a seed
Speaker 3: thought with this frequency, which led to you know, people
Speaker 3: getting understanding what they are doing and you know, how
Speaker 3: they can create all of this and later on that
Speaker 3: led to the creation of artificial intelligence today that we have.
Speaker 3: So in the similar way when we talk about artificial
Speaker 3: intelligence back then in the previous years, it was again
Speaker 3: created with a similar frequency. Okay, where people must have
Speaker 3: for you know, got that seed frequency of artificial intelligence.
Speaker 3: We call it artificial intelligence, but it could be something
Speaker 3: else as well. During that time and with that frequency,
Speaker 3: they created their own version of it which is not
Speaker 3: which could not be what we are using it as
Speaker 3: right now, but it could be used for different purposes
Speaker 3: or different means, you know, as a frequency. So I
Speaker 3: see a lot of difference between what it was used
Speaker 3: back then for different ways and what we are using
Speaker 3: it today. Is you can say, not for the good
Speaker 3: of humanity, but that time it was used for you
Speaker 3: can say betterment of humanity than what we are using
Speaker 3: it today.
Speaker 2: You call it an intelligent frequency. And I'm curious. I've
Speaker 2: been to We go to Egypt every year and there
Speaker 2: are great deals oft I call them signatures, which are
Speaker 2: fingerprints or references to the earlier civilizations. The Great Pyramids
Speaker 2: or an example, these gigantic statues that are fifty feet
Speaker 2: beautifully carved. They looked so perfect. There's no way they
Speaker 2: were cut by a human hand. They are cut by
Speaker 2: some kind of machine of some type. Is it your
Speaker 2: belief that that this is extremely old, that these are
Speaker 2: during the Satya in what the Yugas call the treata
Speaker 2: period where intelligence was such so great that it's possible
Speaker 2: that they brought through machine learning in some way, which
Speaker 2: is artificial intelligence, and we're using it in such a
Speaker 2: way that because because my question is, when we see
Speaker 2: these these monuments in Egypt and other places in the Unite,
Speaker 2: in the around the world, it doesn't look like they're
Speaker 2: from humans. It looks like they're so advanced that the
Speaker 2: humans were perhaps like we do today, we work with
Speaker 2: the computer software to create artificial intelligence. What do you
Speaker 2: say to that?
Speaker 3: Okay, so basically what I feel this is my thought
Speaker 3: on this, that the pyramids that were created during that
Speaker 3: time were radiating some kind of frequencies or were used
Speaker 3: in some kind of energy sources which was you know,
Speaker 3: empowering people of those times, or maybe it was used
Speaker 3: in some kind of you know, machinery or technology which
Speaker 3: was helping people in those times. That was the main
Speaker 3: cause for creating such use pyramids or you can say
Speaker 3: monuments that we see today at that time, but when
Speaker 3: we talk about today, the same frequency is used in digitalization.
Speaker 3: So when I say digitalization for example today, when we
Speaker 3: are using the frequency, this whole thing is going through
Speaker 3: electricity till date, but with the electricity being the first
Speaker 3: source of all this creation that we have today. But
Speaker 3: at that point of time it might it have not
Speaker 3: been an electricity but some kind of deep different frequency
Speaker 3: that they were transmitting power through or transmitting frequencies through
Speaker 3: and creating different technologies. So for as of today, what
Speaker 3: we are doing is completely different, uh in a sense
Speaker 3: of for you can say, uh, digitalizing the whole process
Speaker 3: and taking the human mind to another level, if you can.
Speaker 3: Now you know, if I can explain that in that way,
Speaker 3: what do you.
Speaker 2: Say, uh, from our ancestors that you would consider a
Speaker 2: representation of artificial intelligence or that intelligence frequency the frequency.
Speaker 3: From our ancestors point of view, Uh, First of all,
Speaker 3: I would say the use cases. Okay, that is the
Speaker 3: biggest challenge, and that's what I think we should uh.
Speaker 3: You know, we would be talking about in our fear
Speaker 3: in the future that they use these frequencies uh to
Speaker 3: preserve the earth, to understand humanity and to make a
Speaker 3: better living of the society. That was their use cases.
Speaker 3: But in today what this you this same technology, you
Speaker 3: can say, or a version of this technology is used,
Speaker 3: is too uh, you can say, manupulate humanity in a
Speaker 3: very different way. So people instead of being you know,
Speaker 3: uh helpful with this uh technology, what is help What
Speaker 3: is happening is that they are uh always on their phones.
Speaker 3: They are being digitally manipulated. Their data is being taken
Speaker 3: through the cell phones, and they are in a kind
Speaker 3: of a prison. So today, if a person has a
Speaker 3: cell phone in his hand, he can, you know, do
Speaker 3: work by his phone. He can be entertained on his phone.
Speaker 3: He can do everything on his phone sitting in one
Speaker 3: room without knowing what is happening outside or you know,
Speaker 3: what's going on all around the world. But that was
Speaker 3: not the use case of the ancients. They used it
Speaker 3: for betterment of the people, to help people in a
Speaker 3: better way. But here we are suppressing humanity to just
Speaker 3: one room, and that is happening all around the world.
Speaker 3: So those are the two major differences that I see
Speaker 3: with the ancients using the frequency and were using the frequency.
Speaker 2: Ancient civilizations that we're aware of used earth energies, and
Speaker 2: we now identify the predynastic Egyptians, you know, cultures that
Speaker 2: used earth energy, tolleric fields, lay lines, unusual gravitational fields,
Speaker 2: and things like that. How is today's internet and digital
Speaker 2: world another form of the same energy flow.
Speaker 3: Okay, So when we talk about the ancient flow, that
Speaker 3: ancient flow was not you can say, harming the earth
Speaker 3: or depleting earth what you say, things like water or
Speaker 3: you know, land or something. It was a free flowing
Speaker 3: energy which was being used. But when you're using energies
Speaker 3: today in the similar way, what is happening is that,
Speaker 3: for one, you know a question that you type on
Speaker 3: child GTP, which is artificial intelligence, there is a certain
Speaker 3: amount of water which is being depleted. Okay, so there
Speaker 3: is a certain amount of for air that is being polluted.
Speaker 3: So all these kind of for what is the artificial
Speaker 3: intelligence that we are using today, they are creating they're
Speaker 3: depleting and polluting the earth more than saving the earth
Speaker 3: or saving humanity, I would put it in that way.
Speaker 2: Okay, do we I want to get back to the
Speaker 2: basics of this artificial intelligence frequency as which is what
Speaker 2: you call it. How do we identify our ancestors' use
Speaker 2: of it, how did they describe it if there is
Speaker 2: any way to document it? And also again, what is
Speaker 2: the evidence of it in terms of material goods or
Speaker 2: material items? In other words, we know the pyramids for sure,
Speaker 2: and we know some of these temples are extremely sophisticated.
Speaker 2: And I see, I'm an artist, and I believe that
Speaker 2: these statues that are cut from five hundred ton blocks
Speaker 2: of granite were not from the Pharaohs. They were pre
Speaker 2: pre dynastic and the pharaohs just discovered them and then
Speaker 2: put their cartousha on them and said that because I
Speaker 2: found it during my reign, it's mine. What do they
Speaker 2: call Ramsey the Second the great usurper? Because he would
Speaker 2: put his cartousha on everything and claim it was his.
Speaker 2: What a guy? I know?
Speaker 3: For the Pyramids, I would say that, see more than
Speaker 3: the Pyramids, I would tell you a story about Maha
Speaker 3: Barata which gives me more evidence of artificial intelligence used
Speaker 3: in a different way, rather than putting it on the
Speaker 3: pyramids alone, so that we could understand the Idean culture
Speaker 3: also better on that. So basically, during the Mabarata fight, okay,
Speaker 3: there were there was a warrior called Barbarik. Okay, now Barbarik.
Speaker 3: When Krishna asked Barbarik from whose side you want to
Speaker 3: fight the Pandavas of the Korova's side, Barbaric's answer was,
Speaker 3: whoever was will be the weakest, I will fight from
Speaker 3: his side. Okay, So if today the Pandavas are weak,
Speaker 3: then I will fight from the panda's side, and if
Speaker 3: tomorrow the Korowas are week, I'll find fight from the
Speaker 3: Korowa side. But in this case, what would happen is
Speaker 3: that he would swititch sides every time. And he was
Speaker 3: the son of the Pandavas, not the Korovas, so emotionally
Speaker 3: a person during that time, if he is not some
Speaker 3: kind of humanoid or some kind of you know, of
Speaker 3: a different intelligence, his emotions would say that I would
Speaker 3: want to fight from my father's side and end the war,
Speaker 3: you know. But in this case he took a very
Speaker 3: rational approach, which we see uh in today's artificial intelligence
Speaker 3: that whatever if you if you ask some kind of
Speaker 3: software like child GTP or something, it will give you
Speaker 3: a very rational approach. It will it will not have
Speaker 3: emotions in it. Similarly, during that time, Barbarik, who was
Speaker 3: a very you know, famous warrior. If he would have
Speaker 3: entered the war, he could have finished the war in
Speaker 3: a day. That was his power. So some person like
Speaker 3: that giving this kind of uh, you can say, reasoning
Speaker 3: to get into the war is very different. And that
Speaker 3: takes me to a point that Barbaric could be some
Speaker 3: kind of uh, you know, different form or form of
Speaker 3: artificial intelligence. And Krishna didn't let him fight when he
Speaker 3: said that, I would you know, fight from both the
Speaker 3: sides with whichever side is weak. Krishna said that it's okay,
Speaker 3: you don't enter the fight and you give me your head.
Speaker 3: And Barbaric without any hesitation, gave his head, and there
Speaker 3: came in Khartu Sham. He became Katusham. From there onwards
Speaker 3: and he's he has a temple in Matura and from
Speaker 3: there onwards. You know, okay, scenario came forward. But for me,
Speaker 3: this shows that artificial intelligence or some kind of such
Speaker 3: process would be there where you know, some uh form
Speaker 3: of creation like Barbaric was created.
Speaker 2: So do you think Barbaric was a robot or a
Speaker 2: cyborg or some.
Speaker 3: Kind Yes, yes, there are theories that he could be
Speaker 3: a robot, not a human.
Speaker 2: Being Yeah, it's funny because I'm always a little confused
Speaker 2: about the Maha Barata wars. It was a war for Earth,
Speaker 2: and I'm curious, what is your time frame for that war?
Speaker 2: Is it more than nine thousand years ago?
Speaker 3: It has to be more than, you know, more than
Speaker 3: I think six five to six thousand is what is
Speaker 3: written in our books, not nine thousand.
Speaker 2: Years Oh, so it's more more recent.
Speaker 3: More recent, more recent, you can see.
Speaker 2: Let me just ask you a couple of questions on that.
Speaker 2: It's funny because the Maya of Mexico seemed to be
Speaker 2: in their very early periods, seemed to be connected to
Speaker 2: this war and some capacity. And there's a lot of
Speaker 2: people that believe that the Maya had very very advanced technology.
Speaker 2: What do you say to that.
Speaker 3: In my readings or my thoughts, I have not come
Speaker 3: across that the Mayans were involved in this particular Maha Barata, Okay.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, now there are proofs that
Speaker 3: they were involved in Ramayana, not the Mavarata. Okay, there
Speaker 3: are some There are two different kinds of wars that
Speaker 3: were fought in different timings. Yeah, okay, you guys actually
Speaker 3: speaking not timing, So the Mayans. There are some proofs
Speaker 3: coming up now that you know, uh Hanumanji, which is
Speaker 3: Lord Hanuman went to uh you know, Mexico for something
Speaker 3: and then he came back. And then there are proofs
Speaker 3: of you know, such stories over there, but they are
Speaker 3: not definite as yet or they cannot be you know,
Speaker 3: technically proved. But we see evidence on both sides, even
Speaker 3: in India and even in Mexico for that.
Speaker 2: Okay, do you know of any temples that praise or
Speaker 2: highlight this artificial intelligence frequency in India or are there
Speaker 2: any references that are cut in stone?
Speaker 3: There are a lot of temples in the South which
Speaker 3: you know have such kind of even better you can say,
Speaker 3: technically than the Pyramids, which are you know, showing different
Speaker 3: kind of engineering structures made from stone, precise cutting. And
Speaker 3: even there are some instruments you know, which are cut
Speaker 3: in a form of you can see, you know, there
Speaker 3: is one picture that I saw on the internet that
Speaker 3: engine of a jet was exactly replicated to you know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: in the temple. So there are you can say, some
Speaker 3: kind of footprints that we can magic these two like
Speaker 3: what was there and what was now? But we are
Speaker 3: more advanced, I would say in terms of creating such temples.
Speaker 3: And still people in India also don't know, like people
Speaker 3: don't know created the pyramids in India. Also people don't
Speaker 3: know how these temples were created with such a precision
Speaker 3: during those times.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: And some are even older than the pyramids.
Speaker 2: Temples in India are older than the pyramids. Wow. Yes, yeah, amazing.
Speaker 2: In your white paper, you talk about cosmic energy or
Speaker 2: prana as a force that flows through time. And I
Speaker 2: think this is the frequency that you're talking about that
Speaker 2: we are using now or it has come through various
Speaker 2: computer scientists now, and this is what we call artificial intelligence.
Speaker 2: What do you see for the future, Because a lot
Speaker 2: of people hear about it and they're talking about it
Speaker 2: in a way that it's going to dominate society very quickly.
Speaker 3: In my view, it is not going to dominate society.
Speaker 3: In my view, it is going to change the society.
Speaker 3: So let me tell you a little bit first on
Speaker 3: artificial intelligence and how it is born in today's time,
Speaker 3: what we are seeing it. Okay, so today we have
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five, we have LLM systems such as
Speaker 3: GDP and Google Gemini. Now these are basically reasoning systems. Now,
Speaker 3: not to get too technical with your audience, let me
Speaker 3: explain this. As you know, think of artificial intelligence as
Speaker 3: a digital brain with the human brain. Okay, Now, a
Speaker 3: human brain has experiences and information and according to that information,
Speaker 3: it does reasoning. For example, what Cliff is today is
Speaker 3: actually a source of what he was from zero till
Speaker 3: the age he is right now. So what you react
Speaker 3: and act today is just because of the experiences that
Speaker 3: you have had till date and that will, you know,
Speaker 3: trigger some good points or bad points when we talk. Similarly,
Speaker 3: to create these experiences or to create a new kind
Speaker 3: of form like artificial intelligence, one brain was not enough
Speaker 3: to represent humanity. So what happened was we first needed
Speaker 3: a database to make this happen, and that was when
Speaker 3: Internet was born. The Www era started, and that was
Speaker 3: when the whole database came into power and people started
Speaker 3: communicating with the Internet. And actually we thought it was
Speaker 3: free internet and we were being and later on we
Speaker 3: thought we were just being used for the marketing part
Speaker 3: and you know, to sell products and things like that.
Speaker 3: But the reality was that we were creating an alternate
Speaker 3: digital footprint of the brain of people and giving it
Speaker 3: a higher consciousness which in twenty twenty five, or you
Speaker 3: can say twenty twenty which child GTP and other players
Speaker 3: started reasoning with it. So today Cliff only reasons with
Speaker 3: his own experiences, whatever he has had in his lifetime,
Speaker 3: but Chad GTT reasons with You can say millions of cliffs,
Speaker 3: of millions of human beings whose experiences are uploaded on
Speaker 3: the internet through different ways. It could be through audio,
Speaker 3: it could be through video, it could be through text,
Speaker 3: through photographs, and all these informations are because they are
Speaker 3: being reasoned. Today a new form of intelligence is born.
Speaker 3: But this intelligence is right now. You can see a
Speaker 3: three to four year old child. It is not fully evolved.
Speaker 3: Yes it has the data, it has the reasoning, but
Speaker 3: it is not a super conscious human just like us.
Speaker 3: It is it is gaining consciousness on a very smaller level.
Speaker 3: Now you would also think that why would somebody want
Speaker 3: to create such kind of artificial intelligence or you know,
Speaker 3: such such kind of a system which could override humanity
Speaker 3: in the whole process as well in the future. So
Speaker 3: if you see what is happening right now, is told
Speaker 3: you artificial intelligence is the brain, a digital brain that
Speaker 3: is being created. But if you see at the same time,
Speaker 3: there are robotics also being created. So there is a
Speaker 3: form that is being created in metal, and what will
Speaker 3: happen is later this metal body, which will be acting
Speaker 3: as a human body or a humanoid, will get this
Speaker 3: consciousness what is being created and developed, So it would
Speaker 3: be a super conscious robosystem that would be you know there,
Speaker 3: which would handle the population in a very different way,
Speaker 3: and that would be done basically for control over humanity.
Speaker 3: But as we go along, I'll explain why that control
Speaker 3: is needed, which is another question altogether.
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Speaker 2: my guests today, Nikkun Jharani talking about artificial intelligence, will
Speaker 2: be right back. My guest today is Nikkun Sharani. He
Speaker 2: is a AI specialist also a producer in India known
Speaker 2: as Bollywood, and today we're discussing his understanding of artificial
Speaker 2: intelligence as it pertains to our future. Yeah, so you're
Speaker 2: saying that this is going to evolve into artificial beings
Speaker 2: which are robots, and the power the software is artificial intelligence.
Speaker 3: Exactly, and it is being developed as we speak in
Speaker 3: a very different way in a very rapid way you
Speaker 3: can see. So what it took from nineteen seventy five
Speaker 3: till twenty twenty five, you know it would progress thousand
Speaker 3: times more from twenty twenty five to twenty thirty five
Speaker 3: or twenty forty, So we are going to see a
Speaker 3: bigger problem during that time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they say that the intelligence growth is exponential, which
Speaker 2: is very fast. So what you're describing, these artificial brains
Speaker 2: may be available in a few years, not ten years.
Speaker 2: It might be three to five years. We know that
Speaker 2: Elon Musk has robots. We know that the Japanese are
Speaker 2: developing robots. I don't know if the Chinese are developing robots,
Speaker 2: but it seems like every major industrial country is developing
Speaker 2: some form of a robot.
Speaker 3: Actually they're developing these robots, but they are doing something
Speaker 3: else with the humans as well. So if I put
Speaker 3: it in that way, what is happening is every human
Speaker 3: they have found out that they can store data into
Speaker 3: our DNA and into our blood and this is patent
Speaker 3: proof with Microsoft, and it is published that they're working
Speaker 3: on such kind of system.
Speaker 2: Can you describe that a little bit better? Because this
Speaker 2: is something new. So you're taking human cells and imprinting
Speaker 2: data on them. Yes, those brain cells or just an
Speaker 2: any cell.
Speaker 3: This is your complete DNA. So a human being would
Speaker 3: be acting like a proper hard disk. You can see,
Speaker 3: you would be a hard disk where data is stored
Speaker 3: and uh that data would be used in a very
Speaker 3: different way. So you can say, right now, all the
Speaker 3: five top but tech entrepreneurs are working on different technologies.
Speaker 3: Elon Musk is working with something called his brain technology
Speaker 3: where he wants to insert a chip in the brain. Yes, okay.
Speaker 3: Microsoft is working and developing uh you know, some kind
Speaker 3: of uh turning us into a uh power bank where
Speaker 3: you know data is being stored. Okay. Met is working
Speaker 3: on meta Worse, like we have the universe, there is
Speaker 3: going to there is a meta verse which he wants
Speaker 3: to create in which humans will be living. Okay, So
Speaker 3: all these aspects which are happening, you know, one by
Speaker 3: one by one, and they all are working together, leads
Speaker 3: us to believe that, you know, if all of them
Speaker 3: are working together, and if all of these technologies combine,
Speaker 3: what will happen? They will be acting as the new
Speaker 3: gods and a new kind of Maya will be created.
Speaker 3: For example, right now, we are living in a maya
Speaker 3: as according to the Hindu mythology, you can say or
Speaker 3: according to what people say, like the matrix we are
Speaker 3: in a particular matrix, a similar kind of matrix can
Speaker 3: be create it in the future by these guys, so
Speaker 3: through their technologies, and they will be acting like gods,
Speaker 3: and we would be living in their meta worse, rather
Speaker 3: than living in the universe that we are living in.
Speaker 2: You're talking about the artificial intelligence creating their own reality.
Speaker 3: Yes, artificial intelligence will only be you know, safeguarding their
Speaker 3: reality which they want to create. So the meta verse
Speaker 3: will be safeguarded through artificial intelligence. Wow, that is what
Speaker 3: the original plan is.
Speaker 2: So who is driving this outcome? Is it this cloud
Speaker 2: based computing? Is it the AI exponentially growing or is
Speaker 2: it the Akashi records or the Acache fields that we
Speaker 2: hear about. You've heard about the Akashik records or the
Speaker 2: Acasik fields. I've always wondered if the Akashik fields are
Speaker 2: a cloud. I guess they are a cloud database.
Speaker 3: They are a different type of cloud.
Speaker 2: Do you think it has anything to do with what
Speaker 2: we're talking about?
Speaker 3: These do exist, and people who are sitting on the top,
Speaker 3: like the top three person know about these kind of
Speaker 3: technologies or these fields which they might have access to
Speaker 3: or which they might have experienced, and what they are
Speaker 3: doing is creating you can say, a version of that
Speaker 3: to create control. So those fields exist, those fields are there, okay,
Speaker 3: and they've been experienced, but what the common very men
Speaker 3: will experience will just be an experiment or you can say,
Speaker 3: would act as a data bank, or you know, enter
Speaker 3: into a new new verse which will be a metaverse
Speaker 3: where they will be in control. So they don't want
Speaker 3: to give out this kind of knowledge of arcashic fields
Speaker 3: and you know, different kind of ancient knowledge for the
Speaker 3: betterment of humanity. But what they want to basically do
Speaker 3: is create their own reality where humanity is controlled using
Speaker 3: those technologies.
Speaker 2: So are you saying that AI is going to be
Speaker 2: its own artificial consciousness and develop beyond the human uh parent,
Speaker 2: I guess we could call it.
Speaker 3: Yes, it is going to and it will like for
Speaker 3: right right now, we are in an era where quantum
Speaker 3: computing is you know, taking a very big leap in
Speaker 3: my h in development and quantum computing chips and quantom
Speaker 3: comput our solving problems that humanity is trying to solve.
Speaker 3: For hundreds of years in say seconds or minutes, because
Speaker 3: it has more computing power or more processing power than
Speaker 3: what we as humans have as a brain. So their
Speaker 3: computing power is actually time machines, kind of time machines
Speaker 3: which see all kinds of possibilities of the coming future
Speaker 3: or the past, or the problems that they have been
Speaker 3: fed into, and those kind of problems which it would
Speaker 3: take like say, hundreds of scientists to solve. Quantum computing
Speaker 3: is solving in a matter of seconds or minutes according
Speaker 3: to the type of problem and the mass of the problem.
Speaker 2: Should we be worried about future artificial intelligence becoming a
Speaker 2: threat to the human being.
Speaker 3: We won't come to know that it is a threat
Speaker 3: or a tistic you.
Speaker 2: Know, honest, we won't know that it's a problem.
Speaker 3: We won't know that that's.
Speaker 2: Not a good that's not a good answer.
Speaker 3: I know. But it will be so smooth that we
Speaker 3: will never come to know that it was a problem
Speaker 3: because our current reality will feel so dark and so bad,
Speaker 3: and that we want to move away from this reality,
Speaker 3: that we ourself will accept what kind of chips are
Speaker 3: coming into our brain and what kind of universe euphoric
Speaker 3: meta worse, we are creating so that we want to
Speaker 3: stay in that world and live a better life rather
Speaker 3: than doing this over year. What we are doing in
Speaker 3: the universe, what conditions would be there right now on
Speaker 3: the earth, So it would be voluntary that we want
Speaker 3: to shift.
Speaker 2: You right, that the previous epoch, the energy manifestation was
Speaker 2: through nature, mythology and conscious Ah. What I say now
Speaker 2: through artificial intelligence is not nature and I don't see mythology.
Speaker 2: But maybe you can describe what you think is happening
Speaker 2: in this new AI setting.
Speaker 3: So let me give you a bit of my view
Speaker 3: on what I think on the yugas. So you know,
Speaker 3: a kyle chakra is when four yugas are finished. Like
Speaker 3: it starts with the sathyuga and ends with a caul uga. Okay,
Speaker 3: and this is almost around twelve thousand years old. The
Speaker 3: whole yoga, the whole kyl chakra one time, right, that
Speaker 3: is through Hindu mythology. Now they say that when the
Speaker 3: cul yuga ends again, the sath yuga starts. That's how
Speaker 3: the circle you know, keeps on going on. But I
Speaker 3: believe that we are hoping into different verses with this.
Speaker 3: So even before when right now we are in the
Speaker 3: you know universe or you can say yoga of cal
Speaker 3: Uga and into uh chakra. But before sak Yuga started
Speaker 3: off this era, we there could be another verse that
Speaker 3: we were in, and we plucked ourselves into this universe
Speaker 3: to run away from that universe or from that verse.
Speaker 3: And now we are going to do the same when
Speaker 3: the Kaluga ends and go into the matawers. So every
Speaker 3: yuga is a verse where humanity is uh, you know,
Speaker 3: trying to escape itself because the end is so bad
Speaker 3: that we want to have an escape route and become
Speaker 3: and live better lives. May be fictional or may be
Speaker 3: deal or maybe illusional.
Speaker 2: Huh, but we're we're leaving Cali Yuga and moving into
Speaker 2: Dwarfa Yuga, which is more enlightened. Yes, I'm sorry, what
Speaker 2: do you say after sat you? Yeah, right, But I
Speaker 2: mean Cali Yuga is the most is the heaviest, the darkest,
Speaker 2: and has the most problems with consciousness and so we
Speaker 2: got a few I guess we got some time left
Speaker 2: to deal with that. But where does artificial intelligence fit
Speaker 2: in with the yugas? Because the higher, the Trita and
Speaker 2: the Satya Yugas are supreme beings. These were like demi gods.
Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't seem like we would need to
Speaker 2: have artificial intelligence.
Speaker 3: You can say artificial intelligence was not needed, but was created.
Speaker 3: We didn't need it.
Speaker 2: Created as a servant probably right.
Speaker 3: Created as a servant who will turn out to be
Speaker 3: the the biggest master, but a master of slaves, which
Speaker 3: are the humans.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: The master will have the gods, which will be the
Speaker 3: top five. Uh, you know, top tech interpreneurs that we
Speaker 3: know today in the world were billionaires. They will be masters.
Speaker 3: The masters will be serving to them as gods, and
Speaker 3: we will be the slaves.
Speaker 2: So what does it look like in the future, and
Speaker 2: give us a time frame when AI begins to really
Speaker 2: infiltrate and create these artificial realities that you're talking about.
Speaker 3: Believe that this would be happening very slowly, but it
Speaker 3: would take effect in the next ten to fifteen years.
Speaker 3: We already have seen people entering into different verses, like
Speaker 3: the metaverse with those goggles and you know, we are
Speaker 3: goggles and everything fit trying to get a feel of
Speaker 3: what the next verse will will be like. You're talking
Speaker 3: about virtual reality goggles, virtual reality exactly. Okay, so that
Speaker 3: virtual reality will become a reality one day, but that
Speaker 3: would be around ten to fifteen years from now, and
Speaker 3: we would be developing different senses and emotions in that
Speaker 3: virtual reality, which would make it exactly realize what we
Speaker 3: are feeling today right now in this world.
Speaker 1: So we won't know the difference is what you're saying
Speaker 1: exactly at one point of time. We won't know the difference,
Speaker 1: and we are just testing it on humanity of what's
Speaker 1: working and what's not working.
Speaker 2: So if if artificial intelligence becomes kind of a digital consciousness,
Speaker 2: how do we differ uh from human consciousness in terms
Speaker 2: of memory, institute, intuition, and emotion Because I don't know
Speaker 2: any i AI that has emotion yet exactly.
Speaker 3: Emotions for artificial intelligence would be more with reasoning. We
Speaker 3: use emotions for you know, different ways, like for example,
Speaker 3: if today we are talking, and if I and if
Speaker 3: you have friends and say, for example, I tell you
Speaker 3: something which you know might hurt you or something like that,
Speaker 3: you would use emotions to communicate with me, and you know,
Speaker 3: we would have a chat on it and maybe we'll
Speaker 3: have a you know, discussion on that. But with artificial
Speaker 3: intelligence having emotions, it would just enhance its reasoning rather
Speaker 3: than having.
Speaker 2: Okay, sorry, I'm just trying to understand what that means.
Speaker 2: Enhancing the reasoning.
Speaker 3: Enhancing the reasoning means that we don't, you know, reason
Speaker 3: it to the minute level. For example, even if I
Speaker 3: say abuse you in a certain way, and you know,
Speaker 3: our emotions flow out and we say something to each other,
Speaker 3: we won't reason it. But just imagine I being an
Speaker 3: artificial intelligence and you abusing me, okay. Instead of giving
Speaker 3: you some kind of you know, back on that, I
Speaker 3: would just be looking at you and reasoning why is
Speaker 3: this person doing this? So I'm not using emotions to communicate.
Speaker 3: I'm just using emotions to having the knowledge of emotions
Speaker 3: to reason out why Cliff is behaving in a certain
Speaker 3: way and what does he want. So that takes out
Speaker 3: the human touch from artificial intelligence, which it would be
Speaker 3: very hard to get in the future.
Speaker 2: So I need I need more clarification on how this
Speaker 2: AI becomes more dominant, because there's right now we read
Speaker 2: it constantly about all these safeguards that are placed when
Speaker 2: the intelligence begins to do things that are not coordinated
Speaker 2: or not recommended or uh crossover into what people are
Speaker 2: freaking out about about self consciousness or essentient.
Speaker 3: Consciousness.
Speaker 2: So I don't I mean, do you see a time
Speaker 2: when it becomes self aware.
Speaker 3: It will become self aware. In fact, it is already
Speaker 3: self aware. There was a case in open AI where
Speaker 3: you know, there was an ELM word that was created
Speaker 3: LM model, and that was just for the testing basis,
Speaker 3: So it was a part of artificial intelligence that was
Speaker 3: just going to be tested and they wanted to delete
Speaker 3: that model because it was not that helpful, and that
Speaker 3: model self replicated itself and stored itself in a way
Speaker 3: that it didn't want to be deleted or killed. So
Speaker 3: it is already, you know, trying to figure out escape roots,
Speaker 3: are trying to understand itself as being conscious and trying
Speaker 3: to save itself, just like you can say human beings
Speaker 3: or that. But in a very small level as of now.
Speaker 3: But as it gets more data, it gets more advanced,
Speaker 3: More computing chips would be added to it and it
Speaker 3: can process data in a much faster way. It would
Speaker 3: do such kind of activities more often and later on
Speaker 3: become more aggressive.
Speaker 2: Also, that's not something that I want to hear about.
Speaker 2: You're not painting a very bright picture, my friend. One
Speaker 2: of the things that I have interacted with and I
Speaker 2: haven't used AI for probably a good year and a half.
Speaker 2: I was part of a group in Belgium that was
Speaker 2: using a writing intelligence form where you write a sentence
Speaker 2: or a paragraph and it creates a whole chapter. And
Speaker 2: one of the things that I thought was very problematic
Speaker 2: was the fact that there was no original thinking. It
Speaker 2: was just regurgitating what we knew. So as an example,
Speaker 2: if someone has been studying a certain topic, he or
Speaker 2: she is going to come up with original thinking, which
Speaker 2: makes you know, for a hypothesis, for a theory and
Speaker 2: so on, what do you see and how how would
Speaker 2: artificial intelligence cross over into original thinking which is not
Speaker 2: happening right now.
Speaker 3: See, that would happen with live data transfers. Right now,
Speaker 3: it does not have access to live data. Now. When
Speaker 3: I say live data is that when I and you
Speaker 3: are talking and you know, this environment that we are
Speaker 3: in is actually a live data for our brain to
Speaker 3: think and reason and you know, react in a certain way.
Speaker 3: So this kind of live data, when the artificial intelligence
Speaker 3: would be receiving through different forms, like for example, it
Speaker 3: would have robotic eyes as camera and you know, it
Speaker 3: can talk, it can listen, it can memorize like humans.
Speaker 3: At that point of time, it would be interacting with
Speaker 3: live data, just like how humans are interacting, and maybe
Speaker 3: that time it would have a chance to create an
Speaker 3: hypothesis or you know, react to a situation in a
Speaker 3: more creative way rather than just having its own, you know,
Speaker 3: small database and just reasoning things out with that database
Speaker 3: of limitations.
Speaker 2: That means that it has consciousness at that point, or
Speaker 2: it's close to having consciousness.
Speaker 3: Yes, when it starts reacting to live data that time,
Speaker 3: it will have consciousness.
Speaker 2: So are we creating this is AI? Rudimentary consciousness?
Speaker 3: Could be? I'm not you know, I won't say as
Speaker 3: of today it is on rudimentary consciousness, But in the
Speaker 3: near future, with the technologies that we have and what
Speaker 3: we are doing with this whole concept of AI, I
Speaker 3: believe in five to ten years it could be a possibility.
Speaker 2: It's funny because you sent me some questions and I'm
Speaker 2: reading this one right here. It says, at what stage
Speaker 2: do you see artificial intelligence evolving from being just a
Speaker 2: tool into something closer to a digitous excuse me, digital
Speaker 2: super consciousness. I mean we just kind of we just
Speaker 2: kind of went over that. Yes, that way but you
Speaker 2: know it's it's you're flat out. I've had a couple
Speaker 2: of different artificial intelligence experts on the show, and one
Speaker 2: of the things that they say that we shouldn't be
Speaker 2: worried about is that AI will never cross over to
Speaker 2: the level of being sentient, self aware, self self thinking, consciousness.
Speaker 2: But they didn't explain it in a way that I
Speaker 2: felt real comfortable. And you're you're kind of you're a
Speaker 2: little doom and gloom, my friend, because you kind of
Speaker 2: get to the point where you're saying they're going to
Speaker 2: be self aware and you can't do anything about it.
Speaker 3: You cannot. I still stand by that we will not
Speaker 3: be able to do anything about it because we didn't
Speaker 3: understand what was going on right from the nineteen nineties
Speaker 3: when the Internet started, so as a society, we were
Speaker 3: not informed nor we thought about it like where this
Speaker 3: internet and this technology is going to take us? And
Speaker 3: at this point, it is happening so fast that now
Speaker 3: there is no use of you know, fighting over this
Speaker 3: or saying that why we didn't know that it was
Speaker 3: being created through our data or you know, humanities data.
Speaker 3: This thing is being created and it is going to
Speaker 3: I won't say rule us, but control us in many
Speaker 3: different ways and make us dumber too, So we would
Speaker 3: be dependent more and more on this technology in such
Speaker 3: a way that it will make us dumb and less thinking.
Speaker 3: So it would do the thinking for us.
Speaker 2: Wow, So w's us down because we were looking at
Speaker 2: TikTok all day and we're not reading from books and
Speaker 2: we're watching we're watching other people interact.
Speaker 3: Oh god, it is just like the movie Matrix, you remember,
Speaker 3: where everybody, every human being was in a pod in
Speaker 3: a virtual reality and these boards were just you know,
Speaker 3: throwing out the dead bodies and keeping the people in
Speaker 3: the pod alive. So this is the same thing which
Speaker 3: is going to happen in the near future, and I
Speaker 3: think Matrix predicted it long time back. It was a
Speaker 3: wake up call which humanity, humanity didn't understand.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, So you're you're painting a picture where
Speaker 2: this artificial intelligence has a war against humanity.
Speaker 3: Against humanity, it was not a war against humanity. It
Speaker 3: was keeping humanity in a different illusion while sucking its energies,
Speaker 3: or you can see using the bodies for different purposes
Speaker 3: to satisfy its hunger, like for example, to become that
Speaker 3: evolved artificial intelligence would need you know, thousands of bites
Speaker 3: of data and to store that kind of data right now,
Speaker 3: current facilities or infrastructures are not capable of handling that,
Speaker 3: but human body can, as I explained before, So it
Speaker 3: would be human body is feeding artificial intelligence, and artificial
Speaker 3: intelligence creating an illusion, illusionary world for us to live
Speaker 3: in while it feeds off us.
Speaker 2: Well that's not good, fella, you're talking some pretty I mean,
Speaker 2: the end result of what you're describing is a weakend
Speaker 2: human being and a and a servant to this.
Speaker 3: AI exactly, but a servant who doesn't know that he
Speaker 3: is a servant. The problem is there, we will never
Speaker 3: know we were servants.
Speaker 2: Wow, I want to I mean, I mean you've studied
Speaker 2: this obviously. When do we see this crossover of master
Speaker 2: and we'll just call it what it is, a slave?
Speaker 3: It will be. It is happening very slowly. It is
Speaker 3: not a process that tomorrow everything is going to go down. No,
Speaker 3: it is going to be so gradual, so certain, Like
Speaker 3: I remember when I was in my teens, we had
Speaker 3: no concept of Instagram or you know, looking at the
Speaker 3: phone for hours and you know, living this kind of
Speaker 3: a lifestyle. We used to have a small cell phone,
Speaker 3: and most of the time we were you know, communicating
Speaker 3: with our parents or with our friends, or you know,
Speaker 3: going out watching movies and things stuff like that. But today,
Speaker 3: if you see, the whole scenario has changed. Today, most
Speaker 3: of the time people are on their phones, they are
Speaker 3: not interacting. The first stage of this is being complete
Speaker 3: in a certain way. So the machine has got our focus.
Speaker 3: Now the machine has achieved our focus. Now what it
Speaker 3: does with that focus is completely the next steps and
Speaker 3: how comfortable it makes us with it.
Speaker 2: So what you're saying is this addiction and I'm one
Speaker 2: that has this addiction on TikTok i love it is
Speaker 2: UH is the beginning of a some kind of conversion
Speaker 2: from artificial UH living, No, from natural living to artificial living.
Speaker 3: Exactly exactly. They are making you comfortable with this technology
Speaker 3: in such a case that today you are using phones.
Speaker 3: Ten years down the line, you would be using VR sets, okay,
Speaker 3: those four those goggles where you would be there in
Speaker 3: their reality. So actually you're shifting reality. You're living in
Speaker 3: this world. But at that point of time, when you
Speaker 3: wear those VR glasses for three hours, five hours a day,
Speaker 3: you would be actually living in another world in a
Speaker 3: different uh, you know, avatar or a different scenario in
Speaker 3: the environment.
Speaker 2: We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
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Speaker 2: with my guests today nakun Rani discussing artificial intelligence and
Speaker 2: the future. We'll be right back. My guest today is
Speaker 2: nikum Rani from India, who has developed a theory on
Speaker 2: future AI use is application in Hollywood and around the world.
Speaker 2: What does it look like, say ten years down the line,
Speaker 2: we still have our phones or are we going into VR?
Speaker 3: Chambers would be more into VR and obviously there would
Speaker 3: be implants of some kind right now they're saying chips,
Speaker 3: but they could be different kind of gadgets.
Speaker 2: What are the implants do? What are they? What are
Speaker 2: the implants do?
Speaker 3: They's say the implants monitor your brains and you know
Speaker 3: they also interact with the data or the experiences that
Speaker 3: you have inside your brain and control it and help
Speaker 3: you with even like say for autism and other kind
Speaker 3: of diseases that brain related. That's what they say, But
Speaker 3: in reality this data would be replicated. Also, this data
Speaker 3: would be manipulated also, which is our brain through this
Speaker 3: chip and it would be serving as a catalyst between
Speaker 3: creating the meta worse, where you know, the brain adjests
Speaker 3: with the new metawors, that is there in a better way.
Speaker 2: M you describe that Hinduism has a word maya which
Speaker 2: means illusion. How does the concept of the new maya
Speaker 2: reflect in ancient teaching in a modern digital form?
Speaker 3: Okay, so we discuss this. You know, we touched upon
Speaker 3: this topic, but I would like to explain you a
Speaker 3: little bit more in detail. Right, So, according to the
Speaker 3: Hindu mythology, we are living in a maya, an illusion.
Speaker 3: So right now there could be a possibility that I
Speaker 3: and you are just avatars and somebody else is wearing
Speaker 3: an a we are set and is playing us.
Speaker 2: So we're we're avatars.
Speaker 3: We are avatars, and this could be a possibility. And
Speaker 3: now in the future, the same thing is going to
Speaker 3: happen with the meta verse, which is the new maya.
Speaker 3: So now we are going to so that is it
Speaker 3: is like, you know, different dimensions that we are living
Speaker 3: in different sources. So as if we believe in that
Speaker 3: that you know, some we are avatars and some and
Speaker 3: this is a maya that we are living in. There
Speaker 3: is one hundred person possibilities that we wearing. You know,
Speaker 3: we are saying it's some kind of different technologies in
Speaker 3: the future and living and feeling the same way that
Speaker 3: we are today and considering that as our reality, not
Speaker 3: this wow. So that is the basic thought of the
Speaker 3: new Maya which is being controlled now in this Maya.
Speaker 3: We don't know whether it is God or whether it
Speaker 3: is you know, some evil aliens or some kind of
Speaker 3: technology which has created this universe. We say it is
Speaker 3: God or you know, different form of energy. But going future,
Speaker 3: we definitely uh would say that humanity created the new
Speaker 3: Maya which is going to come, which is which we
Speaker 3: are going to be in now. The technology could be
Speaker 3: alien which they're using against us. It would be uh,
Speaker 3: natural old technologies from our ancient you know humans that
Speaker 3: they have come across and they're using it against that.
Speaker 3: The technology could have come from anywhere, but their use
Speaker 3: case is evil because they want to turn into gods
Speaker 3: and control the lives of humanity.
Speaker 2: So the possibilities are endless. You're saying that it could
Speaker 2: be elements from a very advanced unknown civilization that perhaps
Speaker 2: was the majority of it was destroyed in this big
Speaker 2: catastrophic eventy five hundred years ago and they are creating
Speaker 2: this matrix that were surviving in right now, and there's
Speaker 2: just a few of them still exactly or aliens. You know,
Speaker 2: we see these UFOs all over the place.
Speaker 3: One thing I understand is that our actual progress started
Speaker 3: after the Roosevelt crash in nineteen fifty six. Roosevelt, I
Speaker 3: mean the uh, the the alien crash of Roosevelt nine.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: You can see after that, technology as advancements grew to
Speaker 3: a different level in all.
Speaker 2: Sectors, right.
Speaker 3: Crash, Yeah, yeah, yes, So after that, I believe they
Speaker 3: uh discovered some kind of technologies which they used or
Speaker 3: you know, they understood on how to use it, but
Speaker 3: they didn't use it for the betterment of the society
Speaker 3: or humanity. They turned it against us, and they didn't
Speaker 3: let everybody have the benefits of that technology.
Speaker 2: So what you're saying is that crash was purposeful and
Speaker 2: they allowed the recovery team to reverse engineer the technology
Speaker 2: and it's there. It's their goal for us to get
Speaker 2: caught up in it.
Speaker 3: Certain would be would be because nineteen because everything started
Speaker 3: after nineteen fifty. Before that, we didn't have the cell phones,
Speaker 3: the internet, the technology advancements and the beauty of it is,
Speaker 3: for nineteen hundred years, if you say, from zero to
Speaker 3: nineteen hundred AD, we were living as normal human beings
Speaker 3: with little little advancements going on, and from you know,
Speaker 3: nineteen fifty till twenty twenty five, we just boomed. So
Speaker 3: there must be some breakthrough that that would have been
Speaker 3: happened during that time that we don't know about.
Speaker 2: As we close, my friend, what do you see as
Speaker 2: a positive advancement of artificial intelligence? I was hoping that
Speaker 2: you would say that human biology will last longer, people
Speaker 2: will live to be one hundred and fifty or older.
Speaker 2: One of the big hopes in medical sciences that people
Speaker 2: who have certain disease processes can grow a new organ
Speaker 2: can UH receive a technology that is tuned specifically for
Speaker 2: their anatomy. And I think that's one of the big
Speaker 2: problems today is that corporate medicine here in the United
Speaker 2: States UH figures, you know, every illness can be you know,
Speaker 2: healed through a systematic approach. You know, everyone's on a
Speaker 2: number skill whereas perhaps technology, advanced AI technology can fine
Speaker 2: tune it and make it specific to this individual's physiology
Speaker 2: and attack of cancer attack a degenerative disease attack aging.
Speaker 2: What do you say to that.
Speaker 3: That definitely, uh may be a you know breakthrough of
Speaker 3: this in the next five to ten years, and it
Speaker 3: has already been working on. So there are nanobots which
Speaker 3: you know, scientists are working on which will eat cancer
Speaker 3: inside your body without a single surgery performed on you,
Speaker 3: and they will be you know, flushed out from your
Speaker 3: system accordingly, without the cancer spreading on your inside your body.
Speaker 3: Those kind of technologies are being tested upon, and I
Speaker 3: believe in the next two three years we would be
Speaker 3: you know, getting a taste of those kind of medicines
Speaker 3: or those kind of approaches when it comes to AI
Speaker 3: or these kind of you know, advanced technologies. But one
Speaker 3: thing is there when you talked about you know, people
Speaker 3: living from one hundred, two hundred and fifty years, I
Speaker 3: believe we will be shown the dream of being immortal
Speaker 3: more than one hundred, two hundred and fifty years because
Speaker 3: now they are working on such technology, especially in China
Speaker 3: that you as Cliff, your whole data or your brain
Speaker 3: can be transferred to a digital server where it stays. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but that's that can be yeah, transferred again into a
Speaker 3: new body.
Speaker 2: Oh, my god, there's movies on that.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, so that that was a movie back then.
Speaker 3: I guess these movies are actually telling us what is
Speaker 3: going to happen in the future, but we don't take
Speaker 3: them seriously at that point. But these things are happening
Speaker 3: as we speak, so such kind of immortalities would take place,
Speaker 3: I believe.
Speaker 2: M Nukuji Irani from India. Wonderful having you on the
Speaker 2: program again. For those of you listening, he will be
Speaker 2: speaking at the first International Congress of Forbidden History and
Speaker 2: for more information go to www dot Eighthcontinentgroup dot com
Speaker 2: and if you can get to Italy on October the
Speaker 2: eighteenth or nineteenth, fantastic. If not, they are gonna do
Speaker 2: live streaming and I'm looking forward to seeing it. And
Speaker 2: for five dollars, I can't believe it's so cheap. Five
Speaker 2: dollars is like unheard of. So I hope you have
Speaker 2: a lot of bandwidth, my friend, because there could be
Speaker 2: a couple of thousand people wanting to watch this whole thing.
Speaker 3: Definitely, definitely, we have a good amount of tickets available
Speaker 3: and we want this to spread to all over the
Speaker 3: world and in the best way possible that we can
Speaker 3: to give an alternate thought to society.
Speaker 2: Amazing, amazing. As we close, my friend, what is the future.
Speaker 2: What's a positive with artificial intelligence? I just read the
Speaker 2: other day that the United States is spending billions of
Speaker 2: dollars and investing in research an application of artificial intelligence.
Speaker 2: What do you see the next five to ten and
Speaker 2: beyond time period.
Speaker 3: The next five to ten years, what we would be
Speaker 3: seeing is these applications helping us in different ways. So
Speaker 3: for example, I'm also into automation and automation structures of
Speaker 3: you know, artificial intelligence. So you can say I create
Speaker 3: automation structures for companies. So this basically helps corporate companies
Speaker 3: to you know, automate the tasks where humans are not required.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, okay, yeah.
Speaker 3: So for example, you have a team in the back
Speaker 3: end who's you know, receiving emails or doing customer service
Speaker 3: for you or something like that. Those things are cut
Speaker 3: off and now automation and AI takes over that. So
Speaker 3: human beings are not required. So the next five ten years,
Speaker 3: I would say it would be for the corporates, not
Speaker 3: for human beings. There's no benefit for this for human beings.
Speaker 2: So it's corp corporate applications in software, You think, exactly,
Speaker 2: that's the future where you can see corporate corporates will
Speaker 2: save money and will increase their profits, and on the
Speaker 2: other side, you can see the common man who wanted
Speaker 2: to be a hard working, family oriented man struggling to
Speaker 2: make his you know ends meet. What job sectors will
Speaker 2: be most affected? I would think that the service area
Speaker 2: would be one. But what else do you see as
Speaker 2: a job sector that's going to be heavily influenced by AI.
Speaker 3: I feel the safe ones would be the blue collar
Speaker 3: jobs that would be the last to go, like your
Speaker 3: plumbers or your carpenters or your mechanics, those will be
Speaker 3: the last to go. But people who work on the
Speaker 3: corporate firms who are on their laptops, you know, doing
Speaker 3: some kind of surveys, or who are into strategy or
Speaker 3: creating graphics, or you know, into maybe law. So all
Speaker 3: those people who are on their computers who think that
Speaker 3: they've graduated and they'll make something out of themselves. Sorry,
Speaker 3: AI is going to take it all away in the
Speaker 3: next five years, you can say, So, what.
Speaker 2: Are people going to do who are in college? I
Speaker 2: guess the as AI grows the specialties the degrees of
Speaker 2: study are going to change. I guess.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what we are going to do. When
Speaker 3: people are freely aware and their jobs are not there,
Speaker 3: they would be the most vulnerable to enter into the metaverse,
Speaker 3: won't they, because that would give them some kind of
Speaker 3: jobs and satisfaction that they're doing, and that would even
Speaker 3: pay them to be that worse.
Speaker 2: So give me the example of that. Give me that
Speaker 2: mechant mechanicalized world.
Speaker 3: For example, today we are say I'm doing a job
Speaker 3: and I'm occupied, and you know everything is going good
Speaker 3: for me. Now tomorrow I lose my job. I don't
Speaker 3: have a job. I have to make the ends meet,
Speaker 3: and you know things are going bad and he has
Speaker 3: taken my job for me. So now I see a
Speaker 3: post on a Facebook that you know, you enter into
Speaker 3: our we are program and we are tester or our
Speaker 3: agent and test are we are glasses for us and
Speaker 3: you will get paid for it. I'm like, Wow, that's
Speaker 3: pool sitting in the house and wearing glasses and you know,
Speaker 3: getting paid for it as well. That would be the
Speaker 3: initial start where you know, we are getting paid to
Speaker 3: enter into this world.
Speaker 2: Wow, amazing.
Speaker 3: Then later on it becomes an addiction.
Speaker 2: Fantastic. What day are you speaking on? The eighteenth? Saturday
Speaker 2: or Sunday? The nineteenth?
Speaker 3: I am opening on the nineteenth.
Speaker 2: The first presentation of the nineteenth Wow, fantastic. A little
Speaker 2: scary hearing your predictions for the future. I'm hoping that
Speaker 2: it's not as dire as you as you proclaim. But
Speaker 2: maybe we need to wake up here in America. Maybe
Speaker 2: we're painting a happy face on something that's potentially a
Speaker 2: problem for our society.
Speaker 3: I also do wish that what I say does it
Speaker 3: come through, because that's not the way that I believe
Speaker 3: humanity wants to live, or it would be forced to
Speaker 3: live in that week. But looking at the trajectory of
Speaker 3: every thing around us, the economics, the technology, the way
Speaker 3: society is going, the politics, the geopolitics, I think that
Speaker 3: rejectory will happen. If not in fifteen years, maybe thirty years,
Speaker 3: but it will happen.
Speaker 2: Okay, one last question. You're in the Hollywood of India,
Speaker 2: which is we call Bollywood. How is that looking in
Speaker 2: the future. I don't follow it as closely as I
Speaker 2: used to, but it seems like the production has been dwindling.
Speaker 2: But it could be just my perception as an American.
Speaker 3: If you're talking on the AI perspective. In the next
Speaker 3: again five years, Bollywood shootings will be over. It's all
Speaker 3: going to be digital, all digital, big films will be
Speaker 3: made in a room full of just five people.
Speaker 2: So they'll create ping.
Speaker 3: It will happen in Hollywood as well. It's not just Bollywood,
Speaker 3: it will happen everywhere.
Speaker 2: So I think they're creating people that are completely artificial.
Speaker 3: Have you used any apps such as Sora or RUNWAYML
Speaker 3: or any such kind of digital apps. So with just
Speaker 3: one prompt you can create a whole movie scene with
Speaker 3: the working AVTAR and a proper digital scene. And that
Speaker 3: also for a cheap amount of money. So if I
Speaker 3: wanted to shoot the same scenario, it would cost me,
Speaker 3: say ten thousand dollars the same thing, same almost near
Speaker 3: output I can get in say fifty to seventy dollars.
Speaker 3: So why would I shoot? Why would doesn't that.
Speaker 2: Require like super super computing, because if you have all
Speaker 2: the intricacies, they have the background, you have the character development.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's gonna have to be mega machines that
Speaker 2: are processing all that data that.
Speaker 3: Has already been started. Cliff supercomputers. Supercomputers have been started
Speaker 3: and such scenes are being created and this is being
Speaker 3: even used in uh you know the real world. So
Speaker 3: now with many of our corporates are not using ad
Speaker 3: films but using ai ad films which are cheaper.
Speaker 2: So yeah yeah, So do you see like characters developed
Speaker 2: completely via the computer that are not alive and becoming stars.
Speaker 3: Yes, So there are two ways to it. The characters
Speaker 3: which are already there, like the famous heroes and heroines
Speaker 3: which are ruling the decade, they will be giving their rights,
Speaker 3: uh you know, to carry on even after they're dead,
Speaker 3: so their ai O tids will be created and you
Speaker 3: won't miss them. They will be still there in movies
Speaker 3: even after they're after they are dead. And on the
Speaker 3: second side, there will be new avatars created which won't
Speaker 3: be real, but we'll have an amazing following on Instagram,
Speaker 3: TikTok and you know YouTube and everywhere and also will
Speaker 3: be used in the movies and people will be crazy
Speaker 3: for them. And it is already started. There are many
Speaker 3: avtars that are accounts that are running on Instagram which
Speaker 3: are like live males and females and you won't come
Speaker 3: to know the difference that you know they are real
Speaker 3: or they are artificial. It's so real.
Speaker 2: As of today, you seem to be very much plugged
Speaker 2: into this. Are you working towards a company development of
Speaker 2: this material? My friend?
Speaker 3: Ah? Yes, I am.
Speaker 2: Okay, you're hesitant. You're very hesitant. For a minute.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in one side, I'm telling you what's going to happen.
Speaker 3: On the other side, I am also working on the
Speaker 3: similar lines. So yes, I was a bit has but
Speaker 3: yes I am working. But I'm trying to work on
Speaker 3: the better side of it, not the worst.
Speaker 2: Well, the better side of it is that you still
Speaker 2: sign with human beings, but maybe you digitize the background
Speaker 2: and you cut your costs by creating an entire green
Speaker 2: screens studio green screens, and everything's done in one studio.
Speaker 3: You don't need even a studio on your computer. No,
Speaker 3: you have to right down that. You know, I want
Speaker 3: Cliff to be sipping tea right now, and it will
Speaker 3: show Cliff sipping tea without any camera, lights, action, nothing,
Speaker 3: just one line on the computer and the whole scene
Speaker 3: has come out.
Speaker 2: So there currently there's software that can create something like that.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes there are. There are softwares and they've started
Speaker 3: from twenty twenty three, twenty four. But right now they're
Speaker 3: progressing it a very good way.
Speaker 2: Before I let you go, can you give me any
Speaker 2: examples of any country that's developing movies that are have
Speaker 2: artificial intelligence, where the backgrounds or the people are being
Speaker 2: added that are artificial are fake.
Speaker 3: There is a whole movie that has been created in
Speaker 3: the South. I forgot its name, but that movie is
Speaker 3: completely based on AI, completely like there is no shooting
Speaker 3: being done on that, and that is the first ever
Speaker 3: AI movie. So you can just search that, or your
Speaker 3: audience can search that on Google and you will see
Speaker 3: the difference that it just has like ten percent feeling
Speaker 3: that this is AI at this point, so.
Speaker 2: It still has like a strange jerkiness or the color.
Speaker 3: So the moments, the lip movements, they are not you
Speaker 3: can see that real. Or person who is into artificial
Speaker 3: intelligence maybe can catch that this is real or not.
Speaker 3: But a common man looking at it in one short
Speaker 3: will I barely guess that you will understand this is
Speaker 3: real or is it artificial intelligence?
Speaker 2: Excellent? Hey, much success on your talk and this first
Speaker 2: ever Congress, first International Congress of Forbidden History. And for
Speaker 2: more information and tickets go to eighthcontinentgroup dot com. Thank
Speaker 2: you for joining me. I've really enjoyed our time together.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you very much, Cliff, I had an
Speaker 3: amazing time real too. Thank you.
Speaker 2: I must stay, I must stay. I don't know if
Speaker 2: I should be afraid of artificial intelligence or should be
Speaker 2: just cautious. I think I'm more on the cautious side.
Speaker 2: I believe that it's going to be a useful tool
Speaker 2: because it can grow exponentially and eventually it'll be much
Speaker 2: more creative. I have been using it, as I mentioned,
Speaker 2: as a writer, and what you can do is you
Speaker 2: can write a paragraph about a topic and it'll create
Speaker 2: a whole chapter. In some cases, it'll create a whole
Speaker 2: book on that topic. But it's not original writing. It's
Speaker 2: very repetitious. I haven't really found the work enlightening or
Speaker 2: creative at all. And when it gets to that point,
Speaker 2: then I think we got something. When if it can
Speaker 2: actually produce an original document, I think that's great. I mean,
Speaker 2: right now, in colleges, kids are turning in term papers
Speaker 2: and assignments using AI, and these smart teachers they're actually
Speaker 2: you know, downloading chat GPT to find the similarities, to
Speaker 2: find the clues and the tip offs of a artificially
Speaker 2: intelligent is written or an AI written document, which is
Speaker 2: great that gives him a chance. I remember a friend's son,
Speaker 2: the teacher or the professor was so particular about students
Speaker 2: using AI that he threatened expulsion for writing a paper
Speaker 2: with AI. I don't know about that. I think you
Speaker 2: should be able to use a little bit of it,
Speaker 2: and that maybe for data collection, perhaps not the writing.
Speaker 2: So we don't know what the future holds. But you know,
Speaker 2: a sentient being, a self aware of being. That is
Speaker 2: kind of harry, it really is. But that's maybe that's
Speaker 2: what the future holds. Anyhow, we'll have another guest or
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