Speaker 1: It's nice eyes.
Speaker 2: Unelling yourazy Boston's news radio.
Speaker 1: All right, we've got full lines here, which is the
Speaker 1: way I like it. And we're just talking about what
Speaker 1: are we going to do. The administration, the Colored administration,
Speaker 1: the Biden administration, in its waning days today authorized or
Speaker 1: over the weekend, authorized Ukraine to use US missiles that
Speaker 1: have longer range that we apparently sent at some point
Speaker 1: in the past. These are not missiles that are being
Speaker 1: sent today and may not get there for three weeks.
Speaker 1: These are missiles that are in the possession of Ukraine
Speaker 1: right now. We had Well, this is a big step,
Speaker 1: that's all. And what happens if Putin decides to react
Speaker 1: and react adversely. Not that that should dictate our foreign policy,
Speaker 1: but it's a legitimate question, and you folks have given
Speaker 1: me some really interesting answers. Let's go to Tom and Dorchester.
Speaker 1: Tom next on night side.
Speaker 3: Welcome by Dan.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: You get one call it get a little race, but
Speaker 4: you should these uh, These Ukrainians are they're fascist. Actually
Speaker 4: the fast the Batian they fought for Germany or Watwo
Speaker 4: and yet the dom Bass region was all Russian people.
Speaker 4: Now the history now they overthrew the first of.
Speaker 1: All, you're painting with a broad brush right now, they
Speaker 1: are under assault. Who's the good guys? Here? Is putin
Speaker 1: the good guy?
Speaker 4: Or there was a civil war in twenty fourteen and
Speaker 4: the dom Bass regions, the Ukrainians and the fashion Ukrainians
Speaker 4: win the Dark Mass region killing Russian people. They outlawed
Speaker 4: the Russian language, they outlawed the Russian church, the church
Speaker 4: they had uh and and and they the dorm Bass
Speaker 4: region we were just part of the Ukraine asked Russia to
Speaker 4: come in and help get these Ukrainian fashions out of
Speaker 4: the down Bass region and then and then help us.
Speaker 1: So that would be that would be so that would
Speaker 1: be analogous too. If let us say some of the
Speaker 1: people who have come across the border, you know, down south,
Speaker 1: have come across and entered the country illegally, but they
Speaker 1: feel that they're being treated badly by the United States.
Speaker 1: They then would appeal to Mexico to come in and
Speaker 1: help them fight the United States. That's the same analogy
Speaker 1: I wanted.
Speaker 4: The Bass region Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union.
Speaker 4: Now there's no Soviet Union, it's Russia. Russia is a
Speaker 4: Christian nation. And the fact that they oversee the present.
Speaker 1: You think you think Putin is a practicing Christian?
Speaker 3: Tom, Yes, I do.
Speaker 4: These are Christians? Yes, you really do.
Speaker 3: Show him going to church.
Speaker 5: They showed.
Speaker 4: I see pictures with him going to church. I'm telling
Speaker 4: you it's then.
Speaker 3: Fourteen.
Speaker 1: Do you think Putin's a good guy.
Speaker 4: No, he's not a good guy. But there's no such
Speaker 4: thing as a good leader. We have we ever hear
Speaker 4: any person's shot. Do we have any person in shock
Speaker 4: that have survived and any persons that shots that died?
Speaker 4: Of course we have the world is full of no
Speaker 4: good leaders. But he's a I think he's a decent leader.
Speaker 4: He's a Russian leader. He loves his people. We've had
Speaker 4: we've had presents to get into like the American people.
Speaker 4: But we have to go back now that Don meth
Speaker 4: Legion said to Russia, can you come in and help
Speaker 4: us get the gift these as soldiers?
Speaker 1: Which is then Putin then is really a liberator?
Speaker 4: Yes, yes he is, and he wouldn't take And once
Speaker 4: they got out, Putin said we're leaving after we get
Speaker 4: the A's up battalion out of your area. And they
Speaker 4: said that Putin don't bother coming in because they'll only
Speaker 4: come back as soon as you leave.
Speaker 1: So so essentially it sounds to me like sounds to
Speaker 1: me like your sympathies are with Putin? Is the list
Speaker 1: a bad guy?
Speaker 4: Z Risk He's a comedian, he's a enough, he's enough.
Speaker 4: We've put him in there, CIA put him in. There
Speaker 4: are bad dudes. I'm telling you if I try to
Speaker 4: tell people that they are bad dudes.
Speaker 1: Okay, so what do you think is going to happen
Speaker 1: when your guy becomes president? Tell us.
Speaker 4: He might The Dawn Mass region might go to Russia
Speaker 4: and then they'll be Ukraine. Russia doesn't want Europe. They
Speaker 4: don't want to do Soviet Union. It's a completely different
Speaker 4: country than the Soviet Union.
Speaker 1: Putin they.
Speaker 4: Keep the Crimea, keep the Crimea, and you just well
Speaker 4: if they if they give the Crimea to the Ukrainians,
Speaker 4: you know, American ships will be in the Crimea and
Speaker 4: the Russians don't want that at all, so they might
Speaker 4: they might keep the crime.
Speaker 1: Trump couldn't trust Trump to not put not put Americans
Speaker 1: because everybody says that you know Putin or you think
Speaker 1: I think that Putin and Trump have a pretty good relationship.
Speaker 4: He only talk to him because he's a leader. That's all.
Speaker 4: He wants peace. Donald Trump wants peace. He doesn't want
Speaker 4: to let me tell you something else. By the way,
Speaker 4: yeah yeah, yeah yeah. But Trump was quite a bit
Speaker 4: better than Neville Chamberlain. And and you know you uh,
Speaker 4: I'm telling you, Dan, he might get the Don bethleet
Speaker 4: and he's gonna keep the Crimea and he's gonna be peace.
Speaker 4: They're still gonna be a Ukraine. Now, the Ukraine, they're just.
Speaker 1: Just as small, just a smaller Ukraine.
Speaker 4: It'll be a little smaller. But the dom Bass Region
Speaker 4: is not that big. But there's all they're all Russians, Dan,
Speaker 4: they're all Russians and the dom Basque region and they
Speaker 4: and they had a civil war in twenty fourteen. They said, well,
Speaker 4: you will not speak Russian and you will not go
Speaker 4: to the Russian Russian Orthodox period, Okay, and they so put.
Speaker 1: Basically is fighting is fighting on behalf of the Russian
Speaker 1: Orthodox Church and.
Speaker 4: The Russian people to Russian people.
Speaker 1: They have never heard of that analysis before. But let's
Speaker 1: see if people react to what you have.
Speaker 4: To say, Tom, then they say one more thing. Jesus
Speaker 4: of course, just quickly, Joe Biden said there's no Americans killed,
Speaker 4: and we know what puel Americans will kill. But who
Speaker 4: is responsible for all Ukrainians did, all the Russia did,
Speaker 4: all the people that live in Jazza dead. There's someone
Speaker 4: responsible for that, and I think I know who it is,
Speaker 4: thank you very much.
Speaker 1: I think is responsible for the Putin's uh missiles killed.
Speaker 4: You would have never gone into you, he would have
Speaker 4: ever gone with Jukraine. They would have settled that he
Speaker 4: might might.
Speaker 1: What happened. We want to give up your I want
Speaker 1: you to get me back and when you know, Tom,
Speaker 1: I've given you six minutes here, Tom.
Speaker 4: So, yeah, thank you, thank you, all right, thank you.
Speaker 1: Tom By. We'll take a quick break, come right back
Speaker 1: here at night side. If any of you want to
Speaker 1: react to Tom, you're more than welcome. Six one seven,
Speaker 1: two five four ten thirty six one seven nine three
Speaker 1: one ten thirty. That's the only line that's opening. I
Speaker 1: shouldn't even given you the two five four ten thirty
Speaker 1: six one seven nine three one ten thirty. I think
Speaker 1: this is either an opportunity or it could lead us
Speaker 1: in a direction that probably none of us want to go.
Speaker 1: That's where I'm coming from. But I'd love to hear
Speaker 1: from you. We'll be back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 2: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 2: Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's keep rolling, let's go back, Let's go to
Speaker 1: Steve in New Hampshire. Steve next on Nightside.
Speaker 3: Welcome, Yes, how you doing.
Speaker 6: Dan?
Speaker 3: A very interesting topic and yeah, kind of spread it
Speaker 3: around there, a little bit of World War One and
Speaker 3: World War Two, but it seems like this Rusher thing
Speaker 3: is the main topic. So I'll just try to make
Speaker 3: a couple of observations here. What puzzles me is, for
Speaker 3: some reason, we over the last decade or so, probably
Speaker 3: even longer than that, actually, we've constantly been expanding NATO. Okay, Now,
Speaker 3: it appears to me that after World War Two ended,
Speaker 3: from that point in time to the current time, I
Speaker 3: don't see at any point during that time period that
Speaker 3: Russia ever has expressed hostile intents to the United States
Speaker 3: or any Western countries regarding Putin.
Speaker 7: I know.
Speaker 1: What period, what period of time are you suggesting?
Speaker 3: Well, I think back during Clinton they were like bursts
Speaker 3: of NATO expansions, you know, off the top of my head,
Speaker 3: I can't remember exactly where they were, but well.
Speaker 1: Look, the Soviet Empire collapsed in nineteen ninety one, Boris
Speaker 1: sheeltzycan president and all that and Russia had all it
Speaker 1: could do was to keep themselves, you know, together as
Speaker 1: a country. At that point, they were focused inwardly. It's
Speaker 1: only in the last you know, fifteen or so years
Speaker 1: that Putin has fled Muscle. He went into Georgia south
Speaker 1: as Sessia.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 1: He took Crimea right after the twenty fourteen Winter Olympics
Speaker 1: in Sochi, Russia, Russia. Uh. And then obviously he's been
Speaker 1: now he's coming up in the third anniversary of the
Speaker 1: Ukrainian invasion. So you know, they had they had their goals.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're they're you know Putin I tried to
Speaker 1: mention this to John. Putin said that the greatest tragedy
Speaker 1: of the twenty twentieth century was the breakup of the
Speaker 1: old Soviet Union. He'd like to put the so he'd
Speaker 1: like to put the team back together.
Speaker 3: Well, I think so were guarding this specific issue. It's
Speaker 3: it's what started this was the constant encroachment of NATO.
Speaker 3: In Putin for a long time has been saying, look,
Speaker 3: this has to stop. It has to stop. Finally it
Speaker 3: got to the point where they were, you know, wanted
Speaker 3: to have the Ukraine area, have NATO come in there also,
Speaker 3: And from what I understand, I can't remember for sure,
Speaker 3: but I heard reports, because it's hard to get information
Speaker 3: sometimes that they were starting to arm up, you know,
Speaker 3: NATO was starting to bring arms into the Ukraine. And
Speaker 3: at that point it's you know, it appears to me
Speaker 3: that Putin has a certain obligation to defend his country
Speaker 3: and make sure uh you know that he he says, Okay,
Speaker 3: this is the line you don't cross. And now, had
Speaker 3: Putin been expressing hostility towards the West, uh uh you know,
Speaker 3: then there may be some base for it, right. I
Speaker 3: see this as Putin just having to make a stand
Speaker 3: on behalf of his country. I see no reason why
Speaker 3: we should look at Putin as someone who's been an
Speaker 3: evil guy or an unfair player, I think, and dealt
Speaker 3: with what happened, uh his country pretty well. Uh. I
Speaker 3: don't see how while we have any interest whatsoever in Ukraine,
Speaker 3: certainly they were clandestine Western interests over there, you know,
Speaker 3: muckling around. Uh you know, you go back to the
Speaker 3: Baden and uh the uh you know when they had
Speaker 3: the camera the name the two guys with the y
Speaker 3: that that he had the Russian guide and they had
Speaker 3: they flipped over the election and the people stood back
Speaker 3: up and uh, excuse they got they got the Western
Speaker 3: guy in, and then the people stood up and they
Speaker 3: got the Russian guy back. And so it's kind of complex.
Speaker 1: But so so let me so we're kind of drifted
Speaker 1: off here for a second. Let me bring you back
Speaker 1: to the question at hand. Okay, okay, okay, Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: What has compelled Joe Biden to reverse his policy on
Speaker 1: long range the the accessibility of long range US missiles
Speaker 1: and the right.
Speaker 3: So let's I think, okay, I just I think that's
Speaker 3: somewhat irresponsible because now this is during the interim period
Speaker 3: of the election. I mean, we've had an election. Trump's
Speaker 3: going to be the new guy coming in, and I
Speaker 3: think what Biden should have said was, okay, right now,
Speaker 3: regarding foreign policy, I'm going to stop, you know, my
Speaker 3: actions now, and I'm going to now allow the Trump
Speaker 3: team to come in and do what they want. I
Speaker 3: think that's kind of irresponsible to do what you did.
Speaker 3: This is like remember back when I think it was
Speaker 3: George Bush won lost the election to Clinton. You remember
Speaker 3: that because you're your good memory remember that? Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 3: Now remember at the end of Bush's term, there was
Speaker 3: some shenanigans going on. I think it was in Somalia,
Speaker 3: and that might have been ginned up by you know,
Speaker 3: clandestine forces of the West, But in any event, that
Speaker 3: was that event going on in Somalia, and Bush was
Speaker 3: one on g uh, should I send you know, American
Speaker 3: military in? And he never came to a complete decision,
Speaker 3: and if I remember correctly, until after he lost the
Speaker 3: election and he knew Clinton was going to come in.
Speaker 3: And then when he when he realized that, he said, okay,
Speaker 3: I'm going to send it. So, in other words, dropping
Speaker 3: a quagmire into Clinton's lap. So I think that's just
Speaker 3: an instant replay of this. It's a defect in how
Speaker 3: the Constitution was originally written. I mean, once you have
Speaker 3: a new regime come in, the old regime should clean
Speaker 3: up the desk on the same day, and and and
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: That's the way it works. I mean that that unfortunately
Speaker 1: or fortunately, that's not the way it works. When the
Speaker 1: problems and that allows for shenanigans. We have, Yeah, we
Speaker 1: have a different transition of power. In England, they have
Speaker 1: an election for the prime minister, and you're right, that's
Speaker 1: what happens. The next day the guy gets elected, you know,
Speaker 1: moves moves into ten Downing Street. Uh, and the old
Speaker 1: prime minister in with the new one, not with the old.
Speaker 1: Not the way it works. We have this transition thing.
Speaker 1: And yeah, and during the period of during the lane
Speaker 1: duck period of either of President Bush or President Biden,
Speaker 1: they still call the shots. Meaning if tomorrow we had
Speaker 1: US troops attacked somewhere, Biden, President Biden would be make
Speaker 1: the decision as to how to respond. He could certainly
Speaker 1: talk to Donald Trump if he wanted to, or he
Speaker 1: didn't have to talk. He's he's the commander in chief.
Speaker 1: It's not like we have two commander in chiefs. We
Speaker 1: have one until you know the second another one is
Speaker 1: sworn in on January twentieth. That's just that's reality.
Speaker 3: I know, well that that's that's the problem. I think.
Speaker 3: I think at this point Biden probably should have said, look,
Speaker 3: it's this is teen Trump is coming in and uh,
Speaker 3: he can be the next one. But in one macro
Speaker 3: observation here, I mean, we're constantly haven't war, war, war, war, war.
Speaker 3: It always has to be something going on. We were
Speaker 3: in the you know, uh over there in Afghanistan, in Iraq,
Speaker 3: the Afghanistan, things like twenty years uh you know what,
Speaker 3: what what did that accomplish? Nothing? Just a bunch of
Speaker 3: people that And actually, and I don't want to take
Speaker 3: up too much of time here, but if you go
Speaker 3: back and look at the inception of World War one
Speaker 3: World War two, I don't see any reason why there
Speaker 3: was any you know, any reason to get involved in that.
Speaker 3: As a matter of fact.
Speaker 1: Is so, so, what if you had been the president?
Speaker 1: What would have you done after the towers were hit?
Speaker 3: Okay, well, now that's something else. Now that Okay, here's
Speaker 3: the thing that makes me a little direct question.
Speaker 1: It's what it's called the direct question, Steve, What would
Speaker 1: a gay done?
Speaker 3: Well, the first thing I would have done was I
Speaker 3: would have made sure I was going after the right people.
Speaker 3: Certainly that was that was a terrible, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: a terrible attack on the United States. But I wouldn't
Speaker 3: have just gone, Okay, what did Iraq have to do
Speaker 3: with this stuff? Okay, that's the thing. It seemed to me.
Speaker 3: You have to be able to defend your country, and
Speaker 3: you have to have confident intelligence which knows what's you
Speaker 3: know going on in the in the Hindu lands out
Speaker 3: in the world, who the good guys are, who the
Speaker 3: bad guys are, and have some you know, sort of
Speaker 3: general idea of where you're going to go investigate. To me, uh,
Speaker 3: it seemed like it was a very reckless, uh and
Speaker 3: poorly thought out response.
Speaker 1: Although again you're telling me everything you would you wouldn't
Speaker 1: have done. Okay, what I'm asking you is if you
Speaker 1: had all the information then that we have, now, what
Speaker 1: would have you done if you were the president the
Speaker 1: tow yesterday?
Speaker 3: If I president, what do you want after nine to eleven?
Speaker 3: If I was a president, I would have got together
Speaker 3: all the clandestine services guys like the CIA and all
Speaker 3: these other people. Is like, what you know about what's
Speaker 3: going on? Who do you think?
Speaker 1: And then do you know what was going on? Steve?
Speaker 3: Well, later on, Dan, what was going on?
Speaker 1: Why you had you had you had groups in the
Speaker 1: Middle East, including al Qaeda, UH, including Isis UH, including
Speaker 1: the Taliban UH, all of whom we're looking at the
Speaker 1: West as a as as the enemy, as the big
Speaker 1: Satan and and we little Satan just you wanted you
Speaker 1: ask me. See, here's the thing that's different, Steve. I
Speaker 1: asked you questions. You make a speech, You asked me questions,
Speaker 1: and I start to give you an answer, and you
Speaker 1: interrupt me.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry to complete yourself because I want to make
Speaker 3: sure I, you know, fully absorb what you say, and
Speaker 3: I'd like to make up.
Speaker 1: But we now know. We now know it was it
Speaker 1: was al Qaeda. We know that eventually the groups called ISIS.
Speaker 1: We know what the Taliban would doing, we know what
Speaker 1: the Taliban are now doing. We're seeing the thing play out.
Speaker 1: Would you if you sit back, What if you sat
Speaker 1: back on September twelfth, two thousand and one, and said, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, maybe they're right. They they they
Speaker 1: killed the Americans? What would you do?
Speaker 3: Just okay, let me just make a quick point of that. Okay,
Speaker 3: here's the thing now. Am I right in my memory
Speaker 3: that the response was going into oraq Is that what
Speaker 3: happened at Bush two came in and said we got
Speaker 3: to go. Well, there was a little delay there because
Speaker 3: Bush one went in.
Speaker 1: There and we went into We went into Afghanistan first,
Speaker 1: and then eventually we turned our attention toward a.
Speaker 3: Rack Okay, oh, Steve, I got to end it.
Speaker 1: Steve, Steve, you know what. I've asked you the question
Speaker 1: seven times. I kind of ask you. You know you've
Speaker 1: got eleven minutes, Steve, way too long, way too long.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much for your call. I was really
Speaker 1: hoping that you would, with the perspective of time, be
Speaker 1: able to to tell me what Bush should have done.
Speaker 1: That's that's all I was hoping for. But uh, maybe
Speaker 1: we'll try it again some other time. I gotta go,
Speaker 1: thank you. Here comes the news. We got one line
Speaker 1: at six one, seven thirty. We'll get one line in
Speaker 1: six one, seven nine. Sometimes I am too generous with
Speaker 1: my callers and I asked them the same question to
Speaker 1: make the point that they do not have an answer.
Speaker 1: I have to stop doing that and give people one
Speaker 1: question and when they don't want to answer it, end it,
Speaker 1: because to keep telling me the same thing is redundant
Speaker 1: and probably not good radio. We'll be back on Nightside
Speaker 1: after this.
Speaker 2: It's Night Side with Boston's news radio.
Speaker 1: So we're essentially asking a simple question. Are you concerned
Speaker 1: over the fact that President Biden, in the last waiting
Speaker 1: days of his administration, has decided to give long range
Speaker 1: missiles to run to Ukraine. They can be used in Russia.
Speaker 1: And by the way, ladies, you're letting me down here. Okay,
Speaker 1: I need people who can actually answer the question. If
Speaker 1: you're not concerned about it, or if you think it's
Speaker 1: a great move, that's fine. If you are concerned about it,
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear from as well. We're going to
Speaker 1: go to John in North Carolina. John, I apologize for
Speaker 1: the way that you've endured. Go ahead, John, Oh, no problem.
Speaker 8: The last two callers I thought were very interesting Steve
Speaker 8: in New Hampshire and Tom and Dorchester.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought they were interesting.
Speaker 9: But it's frustrating to me and I don't know, help
Speaker 9: me out here. It's frustrating when you ask someone a
Speaker 9: question and they want to go off and give you
Speaker 9: the same answer that's unresponsive to the question.
Speaker 8: Well, I think maybe people are, you know, given the
Speaker 8: circumstances of a call in radio show, they just want
Speaker 8: to be sure they can make their point, so maybe
Speaker 8: take it answer or twice.
Speaker 1: I keep asking the question, hoping that and I understand
Speaker 1: what you're saying. But it's like I'm trying to say, okay,
Speaker 1: tell me, you know, he immediately goes, this is a
Speaker 1: horrible mistake what we did. Oh, that's fine. What would
Speaker 1: have you done? That's the problem. There's no easy answer. Okay,
Speaker 1: even with all of the hindsight, there's still there's still
Speaker 1: no easy answer. Once these people knocked down two towers
Speaker 1: in New York City.
Speaker 8: Yeah that's true.
Speaker 1: But I'm not saying what Bush did or or or
Speaker 1: what Obama continued or what I mean. What Biden did
Speaker 1: on the withdrawal was just insane. To surrender eighty five
Speaker 1: billion dollars worth of military equipment, uh and and to
Speaker 1: and to basically leave the badgrum camp and try to
Speaker 1: do the withdrawal out of Kapoul International Airport. What a
Speaker 1: disaster that was. And there wasn't one military leader who
Speaker 1: was fired.
Speaker 8: And people and a lot of people say that that
Speaker 8: also in bold and Putin to invade Ukraine when he
Speaker 8: saw that.
Speaker 1: Sure, yes, sir, that was in August of twenty one
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty one, and it was six months later
Speaker 1: that Putin decided to go to Ukraine. So does this
Speaker 1: bother you with the long range missiles? I just am
Speaker 1: trying to figure this out, I said earlier tonight. Is
Speaker 1: it possible. I'm going to ask you the question that
Speaker 1: I was hoping people would would tune into. Is it possible,
Speaker 1: in your opinion, John, that President Biden former President Trump
Speaker 1: actually had a two hour meeting last Wednesday? Is it
Speaker 1: possible that Biden and Trump have come up with a
Speaker 1: good cop bad cop scenario where Biden going out the
Speaker 1: door is going to be the bad cop. Give the
Speaker 1: long range missiles to Ukraine, put some pressure on the Russians,
Speaker 1: and Trump can commit and say to putin Look, you
Speaker 1: know we're willing to back off here. If you're willing
Speaker 1: to back you think that this is the foundation for
Speaker 1: a way to colt that situation down on. Am I
Speaker 1: too optimistic?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 8: I don't think so, because first of all, I don't
Speaker 8: think Biden, his current mental state, is capable of anything
Speaker 8: like that. And then if it's not Biden, then the
Speaker 8: people around him I think are just such ideologue. I
Speaker 8: don't think they would ever do a pragmatic deal with Trump.
Speaker 8: So I don't think that's what's behind it. What I
Speaker 8: think is behind it is the And again I don't
Speaker 8: think Biden is making these decisions, but the people around him,
Speaker 8: I think want to.
Speaker 1: I think that's pretty clear.
Speaker 8: But I think they're trying to make things as hard
Speaker 8: as possible for Trump to make a deal. But I
Speaker 8: don't think that this will have any impact because I
Speaker 8: think Zelenski, seeing that Trump's coming in in a couple
Speaker 8: of months, I don't think he would want to use
Speaker 8: those missiles, you know, which I think would alienate Trump.
Speaker 8: And I think on the Russian side, I think Putin
Speaker 8: would prefer to wait instead of triggering World War three.
Speaker 8: I'd rather wait to see what Trump has on the
Speaker 8: table when Trump gets in the office. But I did
Speaker 8: you said, you said how people reacted to what Tom
Speaker 8: and Dorchester was saying.
Speaker 1: I know Tom and Dorchester took attack. Then I gave
Speaker 1: him plenty of time, and it gave Steve plenty of time,
Speaker 1: and both of them they were looking to make a
Speaker 1: speech as opposed to engage in a conversation. And what
Speaker 1: I try to do, I just go. I always try
Speaker 1: to give people the benefit of the doubt, and it's
Speaker 1: not the right thing to do for the audience. So
Speaker 1: I apologize that you had to wait this long.
Speaker 8: Oh, no problem. But I think I think Tom put
Speaker 8: his finger on a very big part of it, and
Speaker 8: that is the the the ethnic Russian slant on the thing,
Speaker 8: because if if you look back in the twentyth century,
Speaker 8: when empires break down and split up into individual countries,
Speaker 8: you get different ethnicities kind of caught within national borders
Speaker 8: where they're not a majority, and it really causes tremendous problems.
Speaker 8: I mean, I could just a few examples up after
Speaker 8: World War One, when you had the Greek Turkish War
Speaker 8: that ended up in you know, massive ethnic transverse Greeks
Speaker 8: from Turkey and Turks from Greece. And then of course
Speaker 8: world War Two you had the Sudatean land where you
Speaker 8: had a lot of Germans were caught within the borders
Speaker 8: of the newly found country of Czechoslovakia. And then of
Speaker 8: course after World War Two you had Russia moved basically
Speaker 8: moved Poland hundreds of miles to the west, and the
Speaker 8: Poles that were in the new part of Russia, well
Speaker 8: it was Ukraine, but they were settled in Silesia, which
Speaker 8: was you know, taken over by Poland and the Germans
Speaker 8: were kicked out. So anyway, historically I think it's you see,
Speaker 8: these these ethnic conflicts are just really drive politics.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you, great perspective I learned something from this
Speaker 1: phone call, and it's a thoughtful phone call. I really appreciated.
Speaker 1: That's best call of the night. John. Well, okay, you're
Speaker 1: a gentleman. You're a gentleman. Yeah. They're all good in
Speaker 1: the wrong way. It's just for me frustrating because I
Speaker 1: hate to say to people. I don't like to be
Speaker 1: rude and say to someone answer my Darren question, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's all. Hey, John, I'll let you run.
Speaker 1: Thank you much, appreciate it very much. We'll talk soon.
Speaker 8: Okay, Okay, damn bye bye bye bye.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna take no. I'm going to go to
Speaker 1: Jack and Newton. He's not gonna have to wait any longer. Jack,
Speaker 1: I got three minutes, four minutes before you go ahead, Jack.
Speaker 6: Hi, Jack, Cordermer. I'll answer your question directly. I think
Speaker 6: it's very risky. What what Biden is extremely risky. And
Speaker 6: maybe he, you know, he's kind of felt that Ukraine,
Speaker 6: you know, meets to defend itself and the Ukrainian people,
Speaker 6: and I'm a Ukrainian you know, will fight to the end.
Speaker 6: But I tell you, I think what Trump will do
Speaker 6: is he wants to solve this problem. He's gonna, you know,
Speaker 6: travel to Moscow. They'll say, look at mister Putin, you
Speaker 6: stop the bombing, you stop it. And I will try
Speaker 6: to convince Lensky to give.
Speaker 2: Up some land.
Speaker 6: That's it, a little land. You stop the bombing. They
Speaker 6: have to stop because you know, I have a stepdaughter
Speaker 6: in Ukraine and two beautiful grandchildren, and I call them
Speaker 6: tonight and they have no electricity. It's gonna it's getting
Speaker 6: harder and harder. They don't have enough soldiers. There's a
Speaker 6: lot of things going on. They're great fighters, we are
Speaker 6: great fighters. I'm an Ukrainian. That they have to stop doing.
Speaker 6: And I think Trump will that's what he'll do, should
Speaker 6: do that.
Speaker 1: It would be ironic if again, you know, he said
Speaker 1: he could stop it. Let's see if he can, because
Speaker 1: obviously it's in everyone's interest to stop it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just in terms of the people who have died.
Speaker 1: I guess the Russians are losing two to three thousand
Speaker 1: soldiers a day, which is an incredible number of soldiers.
Speaker 1: And they brought they brought in ten thousand North.
Speaker 6: Korean troops exactly.
Speaker 1: That blows my mind.
Speaker 6: Putin has no support for this war in Russia. They
Speaker 6: don't want this war. Nobody wants this war.
Speaker 1: I saw the video tonight of the North Korean troops
Speaker 1: getting their equipment and their supplies. I'm thinking myself, Wow,
Speaker 1: oh that's that's a stunning I mean it's the Hermit
Speaker 1: Kingdom has sent ten thousand troops to Russia to fight Ukraine.
Speaker 1: I can't even get my head around that now, Jack,
Speaker 1: I mean seriously.
Speaker 6: Well, Biden should travel to Moscow, which he won't because
Speaker 6: he's old, he's sick, and say, look at this is Dell.
Speaker 6: He stopped the bombing. And I'll trump to Zelenski he
Speaker 6: should take control of the situation and not leave it
Speaker 6: to blink. And but I don't think it's going to happen.
Speaker 6: Trump will have to do the job. You'll have to
Speaker 6: go directly at to and say, look it, stop the
Speaker 6: damn war. I will convince Elenski to give up some
Speaker 6: lamp and that's hopefully will.
Speaker 1: Be the st What happens if if Trump is successful, uh,
Speaker 1: and he gets the Nobel Peace Prize, people's heads will
Speaker 1: blow up.
Speaker 6: Look at as they're saying, Hebrew color cvote all honors
Speaker 6: to him.
Speaker 1: If he gets there will be people Uh, in new
Speaker 1: and he'll be walking down the street. Who heads will explode?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. Hey, Jack, thank you
Speaker 1: very much. A great call. Uh, really good perspective. I
Speaker 1: think we're kind of on the same page on this. Okay.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well it's not an easy thing to sell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt, no, Thanks Jack, Talk soon, good night,
Speaker 1: take a quick break. I got Bob and Ingham, Barrier Newton,
Speaker 1: I got some room for you. I can sneak in a
Speaker 1: couple more people in here. Bob and Barry are gonna
Speaker 1: be great, I hope, and I'd like to hear from you.
Speaker 1: And ladies. I don't know where you are tonight, but
Speaker 1: you're not participating in the This is a matter of
Speaker 1: war and peace, and I think women have always had
Speaker 1: a perspective that needs to be heard. I can only
Speaker 1: offer the phone six one, seven, two, five, four ten
Speaker 1: thirty or six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
Speaker 1: We'll come right back on night Side.
Speaker 2: Now bent to Dan Ray live from the Window World
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Speaker 1: Okay, phones lit up, Let's go to Barron Newton. Barry
Speaker 1: gonna ask you to give it to me as six
Speaker 1: sinkly as you can, my friend.
Speaker 7: And yes it's book. So Barry, how are you?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 7: I succinctly is the last fellow was very well spoken,
Speaker 7: nah with historical analogies. Uh.
Speaker 1: Both John and North Carolina and Jack and in Newton
Speaker 1: also was good.
Speaker 7: It was good tonight, go ahead, seem like it's a
Speaker 7: sample the other up to college before we're example. Maybe
Speaker 7: people are not going along with this war of ours.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 7: I was a very opposed to the war in Vietnam
Speaker 7: when I was a young man. Tonight, I uh like
Speaker 7: before I talked to you, had, especially with my sister,
Speaker 7: like why are we doing this? You're pretty reckless to
Speaker 7: uh the Bible to do this at the last minute
Speaker 7: with the missiles. And then uh, then I thought, well,
Speaker 7: maybe when you said it's true, maybe they talked about
Speaker 7: it and this is uh a strategy. He had a
Speaker 7: grin that was positively beatific almost.
Speaker 1: When he met that word. I love that word.
Speaker 7: Either that he is a cat that ain't the canary.
Speaker 4: Yes, something's going on.
Speaker 7: We don't know, don't We don't know what.
Speaker 3: I just hope it isn't.
Speaker 7: Reckless. But the point is that we have gone against
Speaker 7: Russia partially thirty the Democrats. Things have turned around. The
Speaker 7: Democrats have opposed Russia almost to the point of a
Speaker 7: new Cold War since twenty sixteen, when Hillary found it
Speaker 7: convenient to you exploit the issue.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and and Trump, if Trump pulls it off,
Speaker 1: he'll be he'll be a peacemaker.
Speaker 7: I don't think you'll get the Nobel Prize somehow, even
Speaker 7: if he got them to do the kumbay r on
Speaker 7: the screw.
Speaker 1: Well, you're probably right. But but if he if he
Speaker 1: was able to get to end this, and then I
Speaker 1: don't think he will. But if he did, he should
Speaker 1: get the Nobel Prize because it's been the biggest a question.
Speaker 7: Well, why did Trump escalate it himself? From uh, President
Speaker 7: Obama didn't send them lethal weapons and then Trump did.
Speaker 7: President Obama said his vice president over there to be
Speaker 7: point man who did some funny things, uh with money,
Speaker 7: our money, and then his son was in there getting
Speaker 7: extra money. It is very very fishy. And then Trump
Speaker 7: came in and escalated it. Well at the same time,
Speaker 7: they asked if he should negotiate, Well, no, we don't
Speaker 7: want them to negotiate. Why are we doing this? Why
Speaker 7: do you think we're pushing this war so much.
Speaker 1: It's a proxy war for the United States against Russia.
Speaker 7: So we've learned. Like Jim Johnson said, he would say,
Speaker 7: don't Wannie, we American boys do the job. Ukrainian boys
Speaker 7: should be doing.
Speaker 1: Something like that. Maybe I got to keep rolling here.
Speaker 1: I got three before I got to get to it again.
Speaker 1: Thanks man, soon Bobs didn't hang him. Bob got to
Speaker 1: be quick for me. We're getting lake.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, Bob, I will dare.
Speaker 5: I think Biden should just forget about it sending them.
Speaker 5: I think Putin already gave the message. He said, if
Speaker 5: you send him, that's that's an act of war. If
Speaker 5: we two weeks ago, So why push the buttons? Let
Speaker 5: me just leave it. You're being spiteful or you're being foolish.
Speaker 5: You know, the guy can't even find his way out
Speaker 5: of out of the rain the rain forest. You saw
Speaker 5: what he did. He walked in the woods. Come on,
Speaker 5: it's too dangerous. This is dangerous.
Speaker 1: Well, that's exactly why I'm talking about it tonight.
Speaker 4: You know you at least world War three.
Speaker 1: Yeah, problem with World War three. The problem with World
Speaker 1: War three is there probably will not be a World
Speaker 1: War four.
Speaker 5: Yes, I agree, that's why I'm telling he needs to
Speaker 5: stop and his people under him, whoever was pushing his button,
Speaker 5: because it ain't him. They need to stop. To just
Speaker 5: leave it alone for now, sixty eight. It's Trump's problem.
Speaker 5: Let him handle it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you. It will be too much.
Speaker 4: He sent. But if he sends them missiles, Trump, I mean,
Speaker 4: Putin's gonna have to stand for it. He said what
Speaker 4: he said. He's he's kind of a man of his words.
Speaker 4: He said something he doesn't All right.
Speaker 1: Thanks, Bob, hey, but I'll give you more time. I
Speaker 1: get you in late. But we're pre much. Thank you much. Okay,
Speaker 1: two quick ones, ron in Weymouth, ron next on, Nice,
Speaker 1: I go ahead.
Speaker 4: I'll make it quick.
Speaker 10: The Curse of Biden. It's the last stitch effort to
Speaker 10: keep the Democratic Party alive and the minds of somebody,
Speaker 10: some people out there. It's a little too much, too late,
Speaker 10: that's all it is. It's not going to work. Uh,
Speaker 10: they want us, they they this is the beginning, of course,
Speaker 10: before Trump takes office. This is the beginning of the
Speaker 10: scatter brains that they're gonna bomb bottom all during his term.
Speaker 10: But it ain't gonna work. All the Democratic parties they're
Speaker 10: just naughty little kids, and Trump has already spanked them
Speaker 10: all and now he's going to put them to bed. Okay,
Speaker 10: so I'll let the other person ahead of me, Now
Speaker 10: tell the rest.
Speaker 6: Of the story.
Speaker 1: All right, Thanks, Ryan, appreciate it. Yeah, nobody, talk to
Speaker 1: you soon, Eileen. You're going to wrap the hour for
Speaker 1: so much time.
Speaker 11: Rob Okay, Well, you wanted a woman to call, and
Speaker 11: I think.
Speaker 1: The ladies have been very quiet on this. We have
Speaker 1: only one other women called, which surprises me because on
Speaker 1: issues of war and peace, I think women play a
Speaker 1: very important role.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 11: I think war is abhorrent and one of the reasons
Speaker 11: that I could not vote for Biden or Kamala Harris
Speaker 11: was Biden has been through his whole term focused on war.
Speaker 11: War isn't going to win us anything. And I hope
Speaker 11: Trump wins the Nobel Peace Prize. I hope that he'll
Speaker 11: get in there and stop all of the people who
Speaker 11: want to wage war.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, it's going to be interesting to see
Speaker 1: what Putin does if one of those missiles really strikes
Speaker 1: close to Moscow. I well, I need I'm going to
Speaker 1: try to figure out the distance between Kiev and Moscow.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, you continue to make your point, and I
Speaker 1: appreciate that you called.
Speaker 11: No, I made my point. I think. I just I
Speaker 11: think Biden, through his whole term in office, has been
Speaker 11: focused on war, and I think it's disgusting. And Kamala
Speaker 11: Harris was headed the same route, and I'm glad. I'm
Speaker 11: so glad she was so royally defeated because I think
Speaker 11: most people in this country don't want war. And that's
Speaker 11: all I really have to say.
Speaker 1: Well, not a problem. I appreciate it, Eileen, Thank you
Speaker 1: much for your call.
Speaker 11: Thank you for leving me say something.
Speaker 1: You sure did appreciate it. I'm trying to figure out
Speaker 1: here the distance between Moscow and Russia, which I probably
Speaker 1: shouldn't have tried to do. But let me see what
Speaker 1: I can do from Kiev to Moscow. Let's see what
Speaker 1: happens here. I just think that it'll be interesting. These
Speaker 1: missiles supposedly can go one hundred and ninety five miles. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's actually longer four four sixty nine. So the missiles
Speaker 1: will not be able to reach Moscow. They could reach troops,
Speaker 1: Russian troops in a variety of locations within what's called
Speaker 1: the Crisk region of Russia. So we'll see how this
Speaker 1: plays out. A couple of a couple of programming notes here.
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Speaker 1: will wrap the hour tonight. I want to thank everyone
Speaker 1: who called, even those who I yelled at, Sorry about that,
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