Speaker 1: Look, hi guys, Hey guys, Welcome to the Strangers Ranger
Speaker 1: in episode twenty five of A Strange Thing podcast.
Speaker 2: We are your hosts, Mike and Austin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm Mike and you're Austin.
Speaker 2: Yep, not the other way around.
Speaker 1: No, And we're going to be talking about something tonight
Speaker 1: that we started many weeks ago, and we hope to
Speaker 1: come to some kind of conclusion, not a permanent conclusion,
Speaker 1: because this is a topic that we're going to continue
Speaker 1: to talk about.
Speaker 2: It's an open book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, into into perpetuity.
Speaker 2: Oh what's that mean.
Speaker 1: That means we're gonna to talk about it a lot
Speaker 1: in the future. But we're going to close up. We're
Speaker 1: going to close out this chapter of Bigfoot. And it's
Speaker 1: been a fun discussion. We've gone all over the place.
Speaker 1: Our last episode, we kind of took a little break
Speaker 1: so that we could kind of jump in around Christmas
Speaker 1: and the holidays and do a special holiday kind of thing.
Speaker 1: But now we're going to go back to our final
Speaker 1: episode in the topic of Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: YEP. Im kind of feeling like a story time.
Speaker 1: It is kind of story time. I think tonight should
Speaker 1: be all about stories. Stories of the blomb stories are
Speaker 1: very very good, awesome. So who wants to tell the
Speaker 1: first story?
Speaker 2: I think you should.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll lead it off, But before we do, I
Speaker 1: wanted to just like bring up a couple of things
Speaker 1: that I don't know if we ever really covered in
Speaker 1: you know, our original four episodes of Bigfoot topics. One
Speaker 1: of those things is that when people see Bigfoot and
Speaker 1: if they have a weapon like a rifle or a
Speaker 1: gun or a pistol or maybe even a bow and
Speaker 1: arrow for you know, you archery Native Americans, well Native
Speaker 1: Americans as well, because it's ad time that this is true,
Speaker 1: you're very Germanic. They have a really hard time letting
Speaker 1: loose that bullet or arrow and shooting the creature that
Speaker 1: we now call Bigfoot, right. And part of the reason
Speaker 1: is these people talk about that it looks very human.
Speaker 1: It doesn't look like an animal.
Speaker 2: You kind of have a relationship like empathy for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, something about the eyes, so people will be so
Speaker 1: maybe or maybe yeah, I don't know, maybe it's like
Speaker 1: a maybe it's a deformed human. I don't know what
Speaker 1: it is. But for whatever reason, they see the eyes
Speaker 1: in the face and they can't pull the trigger or
Speaker 1: if they do. There is lots of guilt immediately. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they feel like they've done something wrong. So are first
Speaker 1: story takes place in northern California in the Plumis National
Speaker 1: Forest Plumis Plumas plumas plumbus plumas plumbus plummus plumbus plumas forest.
Speaker 1: And there's actually a movie about this. It's a documentary.
Speaker 1: It's very interesting. I'm gonna put links up on our
Speaker 1: website so if you want to check it out. It's
Speaker 1: about an hour and twenty minutes long, but anyway you'll
Speaker 1: learn all about it.
Speaker 2: I think I actually saw this.
Speaker 1: It's very, very fascinating this story. So the story goes
Speaker 1: like this. Two friends are out in a truck and
Speaker 1: they're out hunting solid yep. The passenger has a rifle.
Speaker 1: His name is Justin Justin Rifle.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think his last name is Smajia. He's out there
Speaker 1: sm Eja if you want to look it up. But
Speaker 1: Justin and his friend are out driving through the forest,
Speaker 1: scooping up the field mice and bopping him on the head. Interesting. No,
Speaker 1: they're actually driving around in their truck and looking for
Speaker 1: something for a game to shoot, and they come around
Speaker 1: a corner and they see this creature standing out in
Speaker 1: the meadow and they stop the truck. And it's weird
Speaker 1: because this creature appears to be about seven feet tall,
Speaker 1: maybe eight feet tall, harry covered in hair, and it's
Speaker 1: waving its arms in the air like you just don't care.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's waving its arms like don't shoot me,
Speaker 1: or maybe hey, I'm over here. I don't know, and
Speaker 1: they stop, like up above its head like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: like up above its head sounds like to get attention, yeah,
Speaker 1: or is something? It was weird so it caught their eye.
Speaker 1: They pull over immediately. Justin the guy in the passenger
Speaker 1: seat rabs his rifle. I don't know what caliber it was,
Speaker 1: but it was a big hunting rifle, you know, drop
Speaker 1: a deer, drop a moose, drop an elk, something like
Speaker 1: that kind of gun. And he pulls it up and
Speaker 1: trains on it and he's looking at it through the scope. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: the driver, who's kind of remained anonymous, he tried to
Speaker 1: stay out of the aftermath of this. He apparently grabbed
Speaker 1: his field glasses, his binocular knockers, and he starts looking
Speaker 1: at this thing out in the meadow and as he
Speaker 1: looks at it, the creature is kind of face onto
Speaker 1: him and waving his arms, and Justin talks about it.
Speaker 1: He says, you know, this thing looked weird. It didn't
Speaker 1: look right. Something was not right about it. And his
Speaker 1: finger was kind of doing light pressure on the trigger.
Speaker 3: It had human like behavior, the way it was standing,
Speaker 3: the way it had its arms up in the air.
Speaker 3: Bears don't do that. Maybe in the circus, I don't know,
Speaker 3: but bears in the wild they don't do that.
Speaker 1: And his friend in the driver's seat was looking through
Speaker 1: the binoculars and he says, he says, don't shoot it.
Speaker 1: Don't shoot it.
Speaker 3: The whole time it was don't shoot, that's all. It
Speaker 3: was the whole time telling them not to shoot. It's
Speaker 3: not a good idea. And this is all, yeah, within
Speaker 3: five seconds.
Speaker 1: Something about it. The way it was standing, waving its arms.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like an animal. It wasn't like a white
Speaker 1: animal animal. But yeah, yeah, it was like a human
Speaker 1: in a suit.
Speaker 2: Valley, Yes, very creepy.
Speaker 1: And they're looking at it. He says that his fingers
Speaker 1: pulling a little more on the trigger, and what he
Speaker 1: noticed is that it was a solid creature. It wasn't
Speaker 1: like there was you know, like saggy kind of clothing
Speaker 1: or a costume that it was actually pulled up tight
Speaker 1: against like muscle and sinew. Something was real about this thing,
Speaker 1: but it was wrong. Yeah, So there's like all these
Speaker 1: weird bells going off in their head. The driver is saying,
Speaker 1: don't shoot it. It could be a guy in a suit.
Speaker 1: We don't know what it is. And Justin said he
Speaker 1: kept looking at it. He's like, no, this thing is different.
Speaker 1: Something's off, something's wrong, And so the creature kind of
Speaker 1: turns like it's gonna run away, and in a snap decision,
Speaker 1: he pulls the trigger right and it drops this thing.
Speaker 1: And he says he shot it right under the armpit
Speaker 1: where it would go, like if you were hunting, that
Speaker 1: would be a great kill shot for an animal because
Speaker 1: it would go right into the harn and drop it.
Speaker 1: So this creature dropped, and it dropped, but then it
Speaker 1: wasn't dead. So it kind of all of a sudden
Speaker 1: just kind of jumped up on all fours and tried
Speaker 1: to kind of run away, and it fell down again,
Speaker 1: and then it was up again on two feet and
Speaker 1: then down on the four and it was moving fast,
Speaker 1: running away, running out of the meadow and into the
Speaker 1: brush and into the trees, and it's a heavily forested area.
Speaker 1: And so Justin says he racked another bullet in the chamber,
Speaker 1: and just as he's getting ready to pull the trigger
Speaker 1: to drop this thing again, he says he can look
Speaker 1: through the scope and he sees like right up its butthole,
Speaker 1: and he's thinking, man, this is the perfect shot. I
Speaker 1: shoot this. It's gonna go right in there. It's not
Speaker 1: going to tear up any flesh or anything or any
Speaker 1: of the meat. It's just gonna the old Texas heart shot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's going to take out all the take out all
Speaker 1: the organs, and it's gonna be dead. They'll have it. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: driver says, don't don't kill it. Don't do it. Something's
Speaker 1: weird with this. Don't do it. And so this creature
Speaker 1: eventually he doesn't pull the trigger the second time, and
Speaker 1: it jumps over this little hill and goes out of
Speaker 1: sight into the forested area. So of course they just
Speaker 1: shot it. They knew they hit it because it fell down.
Speaker 1: And so they get out of the truck and they
Speaker 1: make their way over there really quick, and they're really
Speaker 1: creeped out. They're adrenaline running because something was different about this.
Speaker 1: And that's one thing really interesting about this story when
Speaker 1: you hear him tell it, is that this whole thing
Speaker 1: is alien to them.
Speaker 2: Kind of got that helter skelter vibe is chaos.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't feel like it's real. And so as
Speaker 1: they run up there to the area, and they said
Speaker 1: it was about forty yards off of the road, so
Speaker 1: it wasn't like way far away. So as they approached
Speaker 1: the place where it was shot, there's all this you know,
Speaker 1: mark on the ground where it would hit, and they
Speaker 1: could see footprints and all that kind of stuff, but
Speaker 1: they couldn't find any blood, which was really weird. So
Speaker 1: they're like, what is going on? And they start following
Speaker 1: it where it disappeared over this little edge and this
Speaker 1: little knoll into the forest, and as they're walking something
Speaker 1: catches their eye. Justin said, he looks over and there
Speaker 1: is about maybe fifteen yards away two infant creatures that
Speaker 1: look like they are the children or offspring of this
Speaker 1: thing that just ran into the forest that they just shot.
Speaker 2: Infant like baby, like a child.
Speaker 3: This is this is a little kid.
Speaker 4: This is not an animal because I mean they look
Speaker 4: like little monkeys and you get in a posts and
Speaker 4: you see their eyes and they get that they're just
Speaker 4: surrounded by white.
Speaker 1: And they're it's a little kid.
Speaker 2: I should have seen that way. It was.
Speaker 1: They were walking okay, and they they could communicate with
Speaker 1: each other. They would make little kind of chirping noises
Speaker 1: to each other, and they were wandering around and looking
Speaker 1: for something like they were looking for their parents just
Speaker 1: got shot, that just got shot. And so there's like
Speaker 1: this really strange, you know, situation going on, and they're
Speaker 1: looking up at these little things, these little monkey like
Speaker 1: creatures on two legs walking around. So they're making those Yeah,
Speaker 1: they can they can see him, and they're not afraid
Speaker 1: of the people they're looking at him. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, they they're kind of like what you would
Speaker 1: expect a baby to be. They don't know enough to
Speaker 1: be afraid, right, And so they're looking at these little
Speaker 1: creatures and looking up to see if this other creature
Speaker 1: is dead over you know, in the in the forested area.
Speaker 1: It's just he says, it's just so bizarre. Eventually, Justin
Speaker 1: has this thought, I'm gonna I'm gonna kill one of
Speaker 1: the juveniles. I'm gonna kill one and take it back
Speaker 1: with this because I want nobody's gonna believe this. I
Speaker 1: need proof this is. And he's like, I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's a monkey. I don't know what this thing is.
Speaker 1: It's not human. It's not at least not the kind
Speaker 1: of human that I'm used to seeing. So I'm just
Speaker 1: going to shoot this thing. Yeah, And so he he
Speaker 1: pulls up his rifle and there's this little infant sasquatch
Speaker 1: or whatever it is, and he starts pulling the trigger
Speaker 1: and he's looking at it and he's feeling like this
Speaker 1: is wrong, you know. He feels like he's about ready
Speaker 1: to commit murder. And the driver is like saying, don't
Speaker 1: shoot it, don't do it. Well, he pulls the trigger.
Speaker 4: I think hunting you harvest. That was more or less
Speaker 4: murder on the little one. The big one just say
Speaker 4: is what it is?
Speaker 1: And this this gangsta, this child, this infant whatever it was,
Speaker 1: rolls down the hill and it's on the ground and
Speaker 1: there's blood coming out, and it's just it's a horrible scene.
Speaker 1: He says, it's horrific. Hmm. There the guilt that they
Speaker 1: describe feeling after they've they've shot this thing. Is is horrible,
Speaker 1: murdering a little kid. Yeah, basically, the second one apparently
Speaker 1: escapes over the hill when the when the other sibling
Speaker 1: was killed, and so Justin says, he's looking at it.
Speaker 1: He doesn't know what to do, and he could see
Speaker 1: finally that it's not no longer breathing. It starts to
Speaker 1: twitch and it's dead. Obviously it's expired, and so he
Speaker 1: goes over and he he picks it up and he's
Speaker 1: looking at it, and he says, he's looking at it
Speaker 1: straight into its eyes that are dead but open, and
Speaker 1: he said he just had this horrible feeling. He said,
Speaker 1: it was a it was a living human. It was
Speaker 1: human eyes staring at him, weird, and it was dripping
Speaker 1: blood on his boots and he just could not look
Speaker 1: away from this creature that he just killed. And he knew,
Speaker 1: he felt that he committed murder. And the driver was
Speaker 1: equally horrified by the whole situation and because of what
Speaker 1: it was. And he doesn't really understand why they didn't,
Speaker 1: but they were so worried apparently that they had just
Speaker 1: killed somebody instead of something, that they decided to bury
Speaker 1: it and then come back later and with people that
Speaker 1: could look at it and see what this thing actually was. Weird,
Speaker 1: So they spend some time, they bury it, and then
Speaker 1: they go drive home and they're traumatized. When they come
Speaker 1: back later, of course it's gone. Oh of course, And
Speaker 1: I don't know for those that have any kind of
Speaker 1: background in bigfoot stories, Bigfoots never leave their dead, that's
Speaker 1: what they say. You don't ever find a bigfoot carcass
Speaker 1: in the forest. So anyway, they come back and of
Speaker 1: course it's gone, But there are some evidence that was
Speaker 1: left there, a toft of hair from what they thought
Speaker 1: was maybe this thing. The area where they buried had
Speaker 1: been dug up, and the branches they in rocks that
Speaker 1: they put on top was all strewn everywhere. But they
Speaker 1: did find like a little scrap of hair and hide,
Speaker 1: and so they took that. He also had the blood
Speaker 1: that was on his boots. But anyway, they went back
Speaker 1: to civilization, and you know, they told a few people
Speaker 1: about this story, and it kind of got around, and
Speaker 1: so people had asked him about it. A lot of
Speaker 1: people didn't believe him, and those that did kind of
Speaker 1: believe him, they were very quick to judge him for
Speaker 1: shooting this thing. You know what, if it would have
Speaker 1: been a person in a bear suit, why would you
Speaker 1: just shoot something like that? What kind of idiot was
Speaker 1: he for doing that kind of thing? So he took
Speaker 1: a lot of heat. The driver refused to go public.
Speaker 1: He had a family, he had a job, he wanted
Speaker 1: to protect all that, and so he never said anything.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I get you know, you need to identify
Speaker 2: your target when you're hunting. You need to make sure
Speaker 2: you know what it is. But if you can't identify
Speaker 2: it but you can see it clearly, could you imagine
Speaker 2: if they took that logic into predator or alien? I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is, better not killing. So
Speaker 2: I don't blame him for taking this shot.
Speaker 1: Well, there's a lot of it, and a lot of
Speaker 1: people are like, Okay, I can see you shot the
Speaker 1: big one, but then why would you shoot the small one.
Speaker 1: You know, there are seasons for bears and other animals.
Speaker 1: You can't just go up and shoot everything just because
Speaker 1: it's fun. You can shoot varmints, but I mean they
Speaker 1: were breaking laws, and that's one of the reasons why
Speaker 1: they said they hit it, because they were sure that,
Speaker 1: you know, a phishing game officer was gonna come by
Speaker 1: and they were going to be in trouble, and they
Speaker 1: didn't want to be in trouble, so that kind of
Speaker 1: stuff was in their mind. Plus, you know, and I
Speaker 1: think they really If you listen to this guy, and
Speaker 1: I've got a few clips that I'm interspersing here, he
Speaker 1: feels like he really killed somebody. Crazy, he feels like
Speaker 1: he murdered somebody. There's no way that he can justify it.
Speaker 1: He doesn't even try, and people say, well why, and
Speaker 1: he says, I can't even explain it. So after that
Speaker 1: time goes by and then more people get involved. The
Speaker 1: people that don't necessarily believe it start asking him questions
Speaker 1: about it, and just the way that he answers it
Speaker 1: just lends itself to being more credible. And so some
Speaker 1: bigfoot hunters and people that are out searching for cryptids
Speaker 1: start interviewing him. It goes so far that they do
Speaker 1: a documentary on this whole story, and part of the
Speaker 1: interview they actually go out into the same meadow and
Speaker 1: they have two more encounters with strange creatures out there,
Speaker 1: and they actually take some casts of prints. Something was there.
Speaker 1: They could hear things, and evidence was left behind, and
Speaker 1: they also decided to get a professional technician that's going
Speaker 1: to come out and give him a polygraph test. A
Speaker 1: polyographer is that.
Speaker 2: What you'd call him, probably sounds good.
Speaker 1: Comes out and she hooks him up and she asks
Speaker 1: him questions and it's supposedly ninety eight point nine percent accurate,
Speaker 1: but he aces it. He passes every question the tasked
Speaker 1: with no hint of being deceptive. So that went a
Speaker 1: long way in proving that at least what he thought
Speaker 1: he did.
Speaker 2: Or he was good at flexing his butt cheeks something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, either he's really good at faking the test out
Speaker 1: or something really happened and he really believes it, believes it,
Speaker 1: he believes it. After all of this came out and
Speaker 1: the documentary was being made, the producers of the documentary
Speaker 1: went and found and were actually able to interview the
Speaker 1: driver that was with Justin when he went out and
Speaker 1: shot this thing. Up until that point, everybody criticized this
Speaker 1: as a because this supposed driver never was found. He
Speaker 1: didn't exist, right, They don't release his name, and they
Speaker 1: disguise him and I probably alter his voice in the documentary,
Speaker 1: but he talks about it, and he basically verifies everything
Speaker 1: that Justin said. So another researcher that kind of jumps
Speaker 1: in and joins in this investigation actually slowly turned from
Speaker 1: skeptic into believer. His name is Bart Catino. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: apparently his dad owned like a brewery or something. So
Speaker 1: Justin and the driver went to this place to be
Speaker 1: interviewed by Bart, and Bart snuck around and went underneath
Speaker 1: the decking so that he could eavesdrop and listen to
Speaker 1: what they talked about when he wasn't there, thinking that
Speaker 1: they would catch them trying to, you know, get their
Speaker 1: story straight or whatever, you know, find some kind of deception.
Speaker 2: Now, listen to your driver when he asks you about
Speaker 2: Dodge on that little one was the most or fifteen
Speaker 2: years old, exactly, that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that kind of thing. But instead of that,
Speaker 1: they actually start talking about their experience. They start talking
Speaker 1: about the way that they were driving down the road
Speaker 1: and it was so weird the way it was waving
Speaker 1: its arms. They talked about, you know, when they first
Speaker 1: saw it, that they didn't know what it was, and
Speaker 1: one would say something and the other one say, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, freaked me out. Anyway, they were talking in
Speaker 1: regular banter about a shared experience. They weren't trying to like,
Speaker 1: you know, get their stories straightened out.
Speaker 2: So they were either really well rehearsed or they.
Speaker 1: Had the same experience, right, And so this bart guy
Speaker 1: is like, hey, this is not two guys out trying
Speaker 1: to pull a fast one over anybody. They actually experienced something.
Speaker 1: So they did that along with this polygraph test, and
Speaker 1: so the people that were once skeptics that have been
Speaker 1: around these guys are now like believing it. They don't
Speaker 1: necessarily think just is like this great guy because what
Speaker 1: he did obviously was not something that was very smart.
Speaker 1: If you're a hunter and you respect the wilderness, it's
Speaker 1: not like you go out and just randomly shoot big animals, right,
Speaker 1: you use husbandry and you husbandry, yeah, animal husbandry have
Speaker 1: you heard of that?
Speaker 2: All that.
Speaker 1: Depends if your husband or not. But anyway, and you
Speaker 1: can have a drink if you're planning or drinking game,
Speaker 1: so they said. But anyway, they believe these guys. So
Speaker 1: as the documentary progresses, you start to see this weird
Speaker 1: a collection of people that turn from skeptics to believers.
Speaker 1: And they go out and actually camp out in this
Speaker 1: meadow in sight and they have some encounters that are
Speaker 1: kind of weird, and it kind of ends with almost
Speaker 1: justin doing this I don't know, remorseful kind of thing, saying,
Speaker 1: you know, I I don't know what I shot. I
Speaker 1: don't know what it was. I feel guilty, and I'm
Speaker 1: going to spend the rest of my life trying to
Speaker 1: figure it out. I'm going to put links to this
Speaker 1: documentary on there. It's very entertaining. I watched it at
Speaker 1: one point five speed because it's a little long. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you'll learn a lot and it kind of makes you
Speaker 1: go huh. And the things that I take away from
Speaker 1: it are people when they look at this thing, wrestle
Speaker 1: with whether it's a human or not.
Speaker 2: There's some kind of connection.
Speaker 1: Yes, it is too human to kill comfortably. Interesting. A
Speaker 1: lot of people can't kill anything comfortably. But even hunters,
Speaker 1: season hunters that are used to blood and guts and
Speaker 1: gore of the harvesting of animals. Even the guy from
Speaker 1: Jurassic Park, Yes, the big Game hunter looks into the
Speaker 1: eyes of this thing and says, huhh, this ain't right.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's an interesting story. So that's my story.
Speaker 3: What do you.
Speaker 2: Got to this story? My story is not so Bigfoot traditional.
Speaker 2: I figured I had to open the doors a little bit.
Speaker 1: Open your brain, mind, open your mind, brain, as you
Speaker 1: would say in the stranger Zone.
Speaker 2: So this story takes place in nineteen thirty six near Elkhorn, Wisconsin.
Speaker 1: Olkorn, Wisconsin, a.
Speaker 2: Bunch of cheeseheads.
Speaker 1: There is a like an Elkhorn, Idaho by some Dalley.
Speaker 2: They call it Wisconsin.
Speaker 1: It's a village.
Speaker 2: Where all the rich people go, or they used to go.
Speaker 1: We should go there, Yeah, we're so rich. Not we'll
Speaker 1: go beg.
Speaker 2: So a guy named Mark Shackleman, he was like a
Speaker 2: just a guy kind of making ends meet. I think
Speaker 2: he had a little family. He's just taking jobs as
Speaker 2: he can. Were a little Shackleman Sheckleman.
Speaker 1: So this sounds a little suspect with a name like Shackleman.
Speaker 1: So you're not making stuff up.
Speaker 2: So you're I'm not making stuff up. This is a
Speaker 2: true story from interwebs.
Speaker 1: Okay, from the interwebs, right, go for anyway.
Speaker 2: So he gets a night shift position as a security
Speaker 2: guard at a school. It's a Catholic school called Saint
Speaker 2: Koletta School for the Exceptional Children sat coleta school for
Speaker 2: exceptional children. It's interesting, Yeah, and at the time was
Speaker 2: the biggest Catholic school in the US. So it's not
Speaker 2: like a school like where we went, where you drop
Speaker 2: your kid off and they go run across the playground
Speaker 2: they live there. No, this is like a big brick
Speaker 2: and mortar building and it's got a big yard and
Speaker 2: there's trees on their property and grass everywhere in hills.
Speaker 2: It's not like a it's more like a college type,
Speaker 2: like a very small college campus kind of feel.
Speaker 1: Okay, But it's had a lot of history, yes, And
Speaker 1: it was like built when they made things really cool.
Speaker 2: Yes. And in speaking of its history, it's kind of
Speaker 2: rumored to be made and built on Native American burial,
Speaker 2: like on a ooh, I saw that Poulter guy. So anyway,
Speaker 2: Mark is making his rounds as his night shift duties.
Speaker 1: Shackleman.
Speaker 2: Shackleman.
Speaker 1: Mister Shackleman's gonna people as a Catholic school, yes, okay.
Speaker 2: Anyway, he's making his rounds across this pretty good sized school.
Speaker 1: The campus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the campus, that's a good way to put it.
Speaker 2: He sees a shadowy outline kind of hunched over and
Speaker 2: digging into kind of a mound like a hill, like
Speaker 2: a like a shadowy, hairy figure digging into this like
Speaker 2: a dog bent over. You know how they paw through
Speaker 2: their legs, their front legs kind of sweep through their
Speaker 2: back legs, and that's how.
Speaker 1: They dig, like in a yard or like a.
Speaker 2: Like on the like on the the the field. Yeah,
Speaker 2: if you could look at pictures that you would see
Speaker 2: there's it's very grassy. I think a lot of Wisconsin
Speaker 2: might be that way.
Speaker 1: So he saw a hairy creature digging in the grassy knoll.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, pretty much, I like that, and he was like,
Speaker 2: maybe it's a coyote or a dog, and then his
Speaker 2: kind of clarity comes through and he's like, there's no
Speaker 2: way a coyote, a dog, or even a wolf is
Speaker 2: digging big, big like that.
Speaker 1: So guess so Shackleman is going to go shackle him.
Speaker 1: M no, nope, okay no.
Speaker 2: So he kind of watches it for a second and
Speaker 2: I think he maybe swept his big old security guard
Speaker 2: flashlight on it and it stood up, and he said
Speaker 2: it was six plus feet and it had kind of
Speaker 2: a canine type snout, like an elongated face with jowls.
Speaker 1: That's a little different bigfoot description, but.
Speaker 2: It had a kind of a manly, muscular body and
Speaker 2: very hairy, shaggy hair. And he said it smelled like
Speaker 2: rotten flesh, which is something we keep hearing with the
Speaker 2: big footing. That's rotten bad smell sulfur maybe, he said
Speaker 2: it growled at him and it just ran off, and
Speaker 2: they both, I'm sure ran off, he probably like. And
Speaker 2: then it ran off, probably like a scooby like, and
Speaker 2: then they got either direction. He hidden like a barrel
Speaker 2: and started eating a hot dog or something. So his
Speaker 2: next shift comes around and he's like, I gotta go
Speaker 2: look around there again. So he goes back to the
Speaker 2: same place and sure enough it's there, and the creature
Speaker 2: is there again. Yeah, the same kind of dog like
Speaker 2: the beast. The beast is there. So let me when
Speaker 2: it ran away, was a bipedal? It ran away on
Speaker 2: two legs? Yes, he said it stood up on two legs.
Speaker 2: I don't know about it running away, but it stood
Speaker 2: up and looked at him at two with two legs
Speaker 2: with a man like a humanoid body.
Speaker 1: Humanoid body with a dog kind or canine kind of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like the Egyptian yeah Orus or whatever a Nubis
Speaker 2: is that? Yeah, yeah, god of death or whatever.
Speaker 1: Weird weird.
Speaker 2: So on his next shift he runs around and he
Speaker 2: not runs I'm sure he paced himself properly. He makes
Speaker 2: his his rounds, his duties as a security guard at night,
Speaker 2: making sure, you know, street youths aren't making vandalism or
Speaker 2: whatever they do. And he sees it again in the
Speaker 2: same spot, digging, and this time he's got a kind
Speaker 2: of a you know, those big flashlights. He's like, maybe
Speaker 2: I'll kind of like square off with this thing. So
Speaker 2: he had a little confidence with him, I guess, and.
Speaker 1: He hit a light so he was brave.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And he says, it stands up and growls at him,
Speaker 2: and it sounds like half man half dog, like almost
Speaker 2: like a dog impersonating a man.
Speaker 1: Weird. So let me before I forget to ask what
Speaker 1: year is this? Is this?
Speaker 2: Like I said at the beginning, nineteen thirty six?
Speaker 1: Okay, so it was before they had like a smartphone
Speaker 1: that they could whip out.
Speaker 2: Yeah he could. Okay, God, it would have been an
Speaker 2: ordeal to take a picture at nighttime with it X camera.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, to take a half hour to set it up.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So it stands up, it growls again, and he
Speaker 2: kind of squares off with it. And this time it
Speaker 2: just ran off. She didn't runood.
Speaker 1: He stood his.
Speaker 2: Ground a little bit, which I don't know. I wouldn't
Speaker 2: probably do.
Speaker 1: Man, where's this at again?
Speaker 2: This is in Wisconsin near Elkhorn, Wisconsin, Wisconsin, Wisconsin, Wisconsin.
Speaker 1: Yeap.
Speaker 2: And he says it growls and it left and he'd
Speaker 2: never seen it since.
Speaker 1: Weird. So was this reported in papers? Yep?
Speaker 2: It was reported in papers around that time, nineteen thirties. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it kind of became known as the Beast of
Speaker 2: Bray Road.
Speaker 1: That was where the campus was.
Speaker 2: That's kind of yeah. I don't know that the campus
Speaker 2: was on those roads. I Google mapped it, but a
Speaker 2: lot has changed since nineteen thirty six, and it's kind
Speaker 2: of hard to tell where the campus is and where
Speaker 2: it was. I don't know. I didn't go way in
Speaker 2: depth in the geography, right, But this story is kind
Speaker 2: of led up to this this fictional kind.
Speaker 1: Of mythical creature, mythical creature of.
Speaker 2: What's the word like this lore in the area of
Speaker 2: the Beast of Bray Road that is kind of a
Speaker 2: were wolf and it had other names like the Beast
Speaker 2: of Bray Road, the dog Man, the werewolf, and the
Speaker 2: Big foot, you know.
Speaker 1: So have there been sightings after this.
Speaker 2: Or there have there a girl later And this is
Speaker 2: just one. There's a lot of them that come up.
Speaker 2: If you just google the Beast of Bray Road, you'll
Speaker 2: it'll it'll come up pretty quick. Even if you just
Speaker 2: google the the name of the school, it'll come up
Speaker 2: eventually as you're scrolling through Google.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: But a girl was driving home one night and she
Speaker 2: felt a pump on her car, so she figured she
Speaker 2: must have hit a raccoon or whatever. She gets out
Speaker 2: of her car and she's kind of looking around and
Speaker 2: she sees this this beasty monster down the road and
Speaker 2: it comes after her, like maybe she ran over it
Speaker 2: as it was, you know, trying to cross the road
Speaker 2: or hit it was a silhouette, you know, Was.
Speaker 1: It laying in the road when she saw it. No,
Speaker 1: it was standing, okay, so I didn't kill it. No,
Speaker 1: And it came after her.
Speaker 2: So she does the panic girl, jump in the car,
Speaker 2: kick it into gear and takes off and it actually
Speaker 2: jumps on her trunk while she's trying to get on
Speaker 2: out of there. And that's kind of the end of that.
Speaker 2: And that gets in the newspaper and then there's a
Speaker 2: movie that came out in two thousand and five called
Speaker 2: The Beast of Bray Road, and I hear it's actually
Speaker 2: really really good. I mean, like the Shining doesn't even compare.
Speaker 2: It got a twenty seven percent on Rotten Tomatoes.
Speaker 1: It's a good one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, it came up as the Beast of
Speaker 2: Bray Road. It's a movie I think it'd be fun
Speaker 2: to watch, probably just a B movie, horror monster movie.
Speaker 2: Probably a girl and like a semi transparent sure night,
Speaker 2: Sure that she's driving home and the monster.
Speaker 1: Okay, time out. Okay. So looking up some of this
Speaker 1: stuff about Yetti's and about Bigfoot and about all of
Speaker 1: these experiences, there is a whole genre of crap books
Speaker 1: and movies about women being ravaged by these mythical creatures
Speaker 1: of Bigfoot. And it is like they're very popular.
Speaker 2: Written by female authors too.
Speaker 1: I don't know why, because.
Speaker 2: You know what they say about men with big feet, right.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. I don't know. I don't know about that,
Speaker 1: but I do know that when you go to Amazon
Speaker 1: and you look up anything Bigfoot, all these books come
Speaker 1: up about I was ravaged by Bigfoot, or I spent
Speaker 1: the night with Bigfoot or my romance whatever. You're like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, and it's this whole kind of weird,
Speaker 1: like romantic kind of creepy, is weird, almost pornographic kind of.
Speaker 2: Every horror movie is that way too. Well, they have
Speaker 2: that elting King Kong.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's true.
Speaker 2: He has to pull the clothes out love with her,
Speaker 2: she and he's all she's all wearing like a silky
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: And she gets in the waterfall and gets all wet
Speaker 1: and then he's trying to pull our clothes. That was
Speaker 1: pretty racy for the nineteen thirties or fifties or whenever
Speaker 1: that came out. But anyway, okay, I took us on
Speaker 1: a totally big rabbit hole.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's pretty much the end of my story.
Speaker 2: Just this goofy kind of It sparked a lot in
Speaker 2: that area, and there's been movies about it and stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so it's it all came from the security guard in
Speaker 2: a Catholic school in nineteen thirty six.
Speaker 1: So okay, let's roll this back into our main topic,
Speaker 1: a bigfoot, or even prior to that, there are all
Speaker 1: these stories of these kind of creatures. Now this one
Speaker 1: has a different kind of face or head. Same with
Speaker 1: the one about Carolina that I.
Speaker 2: Think, Man, I think I was gonna touch on that
Speaker 2: for you.
Speaker 1: But it's so weird that these creatures that even though
Speaker 1: they are different in some ways, they still share a
Speaker 1: lot of the same elements, like the stinkiness now that
Speaker 1: they go on their bipedal Obviously, the wolf face guy
Speaker 1: or whatever this creature.
Speaker 2: Was dog man.
Speaker 1: He didn't look human in the way, so his body
Speaker 1: was human justin probably could have popped out with no problem,
Speaker 1: no guilt whatsoever if.
Speaker 2: You look at me as a dog face, Like, uh,
Speaker 2: what's that movie Kujo? No, no, no, no, no, the
Speaker 2: dog has the guy's face.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the Men in Black.
Speaker 2: No, I don't know what the heck you're talking about that, right,
Speaker 2: I didn't see that movie.
Speaker 1: I don't watch those kind of movies. But yeah, so
Speaker 1: you have these things that kind of turn up. They're
Speaker 1: not just like modern inventions. So this was nineteen thirties, right.
Speaker 1: You also have the wind to go.
Speaker 2: Right, and that's what I'm talking about, Like the it's
Speaker 2: this story is very like Native American sounding, Yeah, with
Speaker 2: like this kind of more animal half animal half man
Speaker 2: werewolf type, well rallying and animalistic it's not like not
Speaker 2: like howls, like, and it kind of.
Speaker 1: Has this overtone of fantastical kind of but yeah, it
Speaker 1: has these fantastic stories of these creatures that could be
Speaker 1: supernatural or they could be you know, some kind of cryptid,
Speaker 1: or they could they could be real or maybe they
Speaker 1: maybe they're not real. Yeah, and those are shared through
Speaker 1: stories like like you said in Egypt.
Speaker 2: Or in what did I just say?
Speaker 1: In Native Americansnubis, And yeah, I don't know what you
Speaker 1: make of all these things, with all these different kinds
Speaker 1: of creatures that have these same kind of elements that
Speaker 1: kind of reappear and if you think about there's no
Speaker 1: real reason why those same elements reappear, Right, It's not
Speaker 1: like something your brain would naturally grab it towards.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm well in a way.
Speaker 1: So it's dark, yeah, stinky dead. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know the smell.
Speaker 2: I don't know that smells are really psychosomatic or whatever,
Speaker 2: but I mean, like seeing something a figure in the dark,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be blurry. And things that are blurry tend
Speaker 2: to be hairy because they're blurry.
Speaker 1: Creatures shout out to blurry creatures.
Speaker 2: But they tend to be just blurry and like my dog.
Speaker 2: I haven't I haven't trimmed him up. I have a labradoodle,
Speaker 2: and when he gets shaggy, he just starts looking like
Speaker 2: a dog shaped thing. He doesn't look like a labradoodle.
Speaker 2: He just looks like a dog shaped thing. He's all mangy,
Speaker 2: and his jowls are longer. So in the dark, when
Speaker 2: you can't see, you probably are taking something that could
Speaker 2: have just been a tree.
Speaker 1: Well, I do know that Duke can jump up on
Speaker 1: you and his when he kind of jumps up and
Speaker 1: he stands on his hind legs, his head is about
Speaker 1: my head level. He's about my eyes. He's pretty tall. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's pretty tall.
Speaker 2: So if you.
Speaker 1: Train Duke to walk on the legs and walk around,
Speaker 1: I mean, that could freak you out. So I could
Speaker 1: see that happening.
Speaker 2: And I have heard stories of bears that have maybe
Speaker 2: like like got their paw hurt or they they fell
Speaker 2: hardy main so they lose.
Speaker 1: Some of their hair on their dad too.
Speaker 2: But the thing I'm thinking of, there's something about bears
Speaker 2: where they won't walk on their front legs, and some
Speaker 2: bears actually get trained because of their situation, like maybe
Speaker 2: a bear trap got them. They're missing a paw, so
Speaker 2: they have to walk on three, which hurts their left
Speaker 2: arm or whatever and arm, so they just walk so
Speaker 2: they walk on their hind legs kind of more naturally.
Speaker 2: So it could be something like that. That could be,
Speaker 2: but I don't know Wisconsin's bear population population. I'd imagine
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe they like cheese. Bears maybe like cheese. They could
Speaker 1: have migrated from Canada. Canada, come down to eat the cheese.
Speaker 2: Hey, we're coming down here from up north and we're
Speaker 2: wanting to share some cheese with you all.
Speaker 1: What's your favorite kind of cheese, mister bear? I like
Speaker 1: shee's whiz geez whiz.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, all right, So that's my story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really fascinating.
Speaker 2: I thought it was kind of cool because they mentioned
Speaker 2: it as a bigfoot creature, but it's also, you know,
Speaker 2: a were wolf, which kind of makes you think, like, well,
Speaker 2: were wolves and all other kind of we human we
Speaker 2: need to.
Speaker 1: Get in that. We should do that episode. I don't
Speaker 1: know if we'll do it next or not, but that
Speaker 1: would be a fun series. Do wear wolves and vampires
Speaker 1: and those kind.
Speaker 2: Of things that are more the TV monsters yeah, TV
Speaker 2: monsters and kind of their history the black Yeah, I
Speaker 2: like that one.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I've got another story. It's not gonna be
Speaker 1: a very exciting one. I don't know. It's kind of
Speaker 1: cool though. So this story is about one of my
Speaker 1: favorite actors. Have you ever seen It's a wonderful life?
Speaker 2: You want the moon? Throws around that movie? What did
Speaker 2: you want?
Speaker 1: Barry? What do you want?
Speaker 3: You want the moon?
Speaker 2: Just say the word and I'll throw a glasshole around
Speaker 2: and pull it down. Hey that's a pretty good idea.
Speaker 2: I'll give you the moon, right, I'll take it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And that actor Jimmy Stewart James Stewart, right,
Speaker 1: So he's well known for many many things, but not
Speaker 1: many people know unless you're kind of like a Bigfoot
Speaker 1: kind of fan. That Jimmy Stewart is said to have
Speaker 1: smuggled in his wife's lingerie bag. Nice a finger from
Speaker 1: a Yetti.
Speaker 2: Whoa, that's weird.
Speaker 1: So this is kind of a cool story. So way
Speaker 1: back in like the early nineteen hundreds, there was like
Speaker 1: this fever pitch of fascination about Yetti and the Himalayas
Speaker 1: in Nepal, Okay, and so there were a lot of
Speaker 1: expeditions and wealthy people were like going over there and
Speaker 1: they were trying to find this creature. So apparently there
Speaker 1: was a mountain climber that was very famous the time
Speaker 1: had gone over and had seen this footprint in the snow,
Speaker 1: and the sherpa guides had said, Hey, that's this creature.
Speaker 1: And I don't remember the name of what they actually
Speaker 1: called it, but the guy thought, hey, we're going to
Speaker 1: find this thing. They looked, they couldn't find it, and
Speaker 1: then a journalist accidentally kind of juxtaposed the words that
Speaker 1: the shrpa used and instead of saying that this is
Speaker 1: like a stinky snow person, he came out with the
Speaker 1: word abominable and it became the abominable snow mode that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's kind of how that happened. So it was
Speaker 1: a journalistic mistake, or maybe it was purposeful because it
Speaker 1: would sell more papers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so then it's easier to write stinky snow monster.
Speaker 1: And so people were out to find this thing. So,
Speaker 1: like in the nineteen fifties, I think it was nineteen
Speaker 1: fifty seven, this oil baron from the United States, this
Speaker 1: guy who has made all kind of money in oil.
Speaker 1: He makes an expedition to Nepal to find this mythical creature,
Speaker 1: the Yeti and or the abominable Snowman. And he doesn't
Speaker 1: find it, but he hears about this monastery, and the
Speaker 1: history of this monastery is that they had both a
Speaker 1: hand and the skull of a Yeti as a shrine
Speaker 1: in their monastery. And so people went and looked for it,
Speaker 1: and somehow they arranged with some people that were there
Speaker 1: looking for Yeti who were in the employee of this
Speaker 1: Tom Slick, this oil baron.
Speaker 2: Tom Slick makes oil.
Speaker 1: He's a slick dude.
Speaker 2: What a good names.
Speaker 1: Well, it's also a good name for somebody who's in
Speaker 1: the snow covered regions looking for Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: It's true, Well Yeti, I imagine him from Texas.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he was slipping and sliding all over because
Speaker 1: he was slick. But anyway, name slick, mister slick. Slick
Speaker 1: materials like snow and oil. Snow and oil. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'm like totally paraphrasing this, and I didn't the
Speaker 1: time to write down the names of all the individuals,
Speaker 1: but this is available. Just google it. You'll find all
Speaker 1: kinds of information. So anyway, these guys go and they
Speaker 1: make a deal with the monks at this monastery and
Speaker 1: for what's the equivalent of probably one hundred and sixty bucks,
Speaker 1: they donate money to the monastery for one finger of
Speaker 1: this yetti hand that supposedly in the shrine at the monastery.
Speaker 1: Right now, one hundred and sixty bucks doesn't sound like much,
Speaker 1: but well, and also in Nepal at that time, you know,
Speaker 1: a year's wages was like fifteen bucks.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I mean it's a big deal, Right's what's
Speaker 2: a finger to a monk? He's like, well, there's a
Speaker 2: finger for They're.
Speaker 1: Just saying, i'll give you the finger.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: So they chant, though, I give you the thing, I'll
Speaker 1: be you a thing exactly. So they end up purchasing
Speaker 1: this digit. Now, big problem, all right, Smuggling antiquities out
Speaker 1: of any country is a big deal.
Speaker 2: Especially a monk body.
Speaker 1: Parts, well, out of Nepal, out of the Himalayas, out
Speaker 1: of Egypt. I mean, it was a racket. So in
Speaker 1: the world, they really clamped down on these collectors trying
Speaker 1: to you know, grab and buy these artifacts and smuggle
Speaker 1: them out of the country because it's part of the
Speaker 1: heritage of the country that they're in, right, so they
Speaker 1: had all these customs requirements, So how are we going
Speaker 1: to get this thing out? We got we got the
Speaker 1: Yetti finger, but somehow we've got to get it out
Speaker 1: of the country. So these two guys that made the
Speaker 1: purchase apparently smuggled it out of Nepal into India, and
Speaker 1: Jimmy Stewart and his wife were in India at that
Speaker 1: time filming something or maybe they were on vacation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they knew this oil baron Slick, and they basically
Speaker 1: come up with a plant that they're going to smuggle
Speaker 1: this thing back to the United States for Tom Slick.
Speaker 1: And the way they're going to do it because they
Speaker 1: know that no respectable man would ever go through a
Speaker 1: woman's lingerie bag actually was a lingerie case back then
Speaker 1: put the finger in Jimmy Stewart's wife's Lundi launderie case
Speaker 1: and it worked.
Speaker 2: They were you want to you want the finger, We'll
Speaker 2: plow your panties down your back phone.
Speaker 1: That's so horrible, Yeah, but that's basically what they did.
Speaker 1: So they get it back to the United States and
Speaker 1: there is actually a story that the concierge of the
Speaker 1: hotel that they're staying in back in the United States,
Speaker 1: comes in with her luggage, and all the other luggage
Speaker 1: had been opened and gone through when they went through customs,
Speaker 1: and when they brought in her little lingerie case, she
Speaker 1: noticed that it was still locked and it hadn't been opened.
Speaker 1: The seal was still intactly, and so she even asked
Speaker 1: the concierg, well, you know, how come this one wasn't
Speaker 1: and the concierge supposedly said something like, oh, man, no
Speaker 1: respectable man ever go through a woman's lingerie case. So, anyway,
Speaker 1: the finger got to the United States, and then apparently
Speaker 1: they actually did DNA testing on this thing, and they
Speaker 1: believed that it actually came from like some kind of bear,
Speaker 1: possibly a polar bear. And another interesting facet of this
Speaker 1: is that when they took the finger, they actually had
Speaker 1: smuggled in a human finger to replace it so that
Speaker 1: other monks would not know that a finger had been taken.
Speaker 1: A shifty monk, Yeah, they were a shifty finger. They
Speaker 1: took this human finger and smuggled it into the monastery
Speaker 1: and replaced it so that the other monks will know.
Speaker 2: Mister Slick comes in, He's like, hey, how much for
Speaker 2: that finger? You know, the Monk's like, well, no, we
Speaker 2: can't sell it, and then he leaves. Dang, really one
Speaker 2: of that finger. The one monk was like, I'll make
Speaker 2: you a deal. It pulls open as monk robe.
Speaker 1: I got a It is weird. I don't know, but
Speaker 1: you know, to kind of close this story out, so
Speaker 1: apparently not too long ago, the finger was actually returned
Speaker 1: to this monastery after they did the DNA testing. They
Speaker 1: actually took it back and gave it back to the
Speaker 1: monastery and that's where it resides today.
Speaker 2: That's hilarious.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's a great story. I mean, Jimmy Stewart,
Speaker 1: we hadn't talked much about Yetti's. We could. There's like
Speaker 1: a really fascinating history. We could do a whole series
Speaker 1: on Yettis because I mean, the way that they were
Speaker 1: found and alex Heander the Great and there are all
Speaker 1: these things. They're almost a different beasts too, kind of
Speaker 1: almost but kind of the same. Yeah. I Mean, the
Speaker 1: one story that I love, and maybe I'll just highlight
Speaker 1: it here, is that the origination of humankind happened when
Speaker 1: a rock ogre ogress, because it was a female ogre
Speaker 1: as sex with a monkey and they have offspring, these
Speaker 1: ogre monkeys that eventually evolve into humanity, and then the
Speaker 1: ones that didn't evolve that direction turned into the yetties.
Speaker 1: And that's actually a kind of a sherp of folklore.
Speaker 2: Interesting, Yeah, very weird anyway, like a rock lady and
Speaker 2: a monkey. Just you gotta watch people. You gotta watch
Speaker 2: out for those rock ogresses. Yeah. Yeah, they're hard stuff,
Speaker 2: nice rock.
Speaker 1: They'll rock you all night long, rock.
Speaker 2: The full circle. Yeah. So this story isn't really directly
Speaker 2: Bigfoot related. Again, like my previous story, Well, we're wolves
Speaker 2: and stuff Harry Harry, monsters by people. This is more
Speaker 2: left open for the imagination.
Speaker 1: Okay, I can't wait now again I must ask, this
Speaker 1: is not this.
Speaker 2: This is a true story as far as I know.
Speaker 2: I've read it. I've heard it more than one time.
Speaker 1: See you tell lies. It's like this guy's falling. It's
Speaker 1: hard to trust you.
Speaker 2: Boy who cried? Where Wolf?
Speaker 1: Where Wolf?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: Go okay.
Speaker 2: So this takes place in Russia, the motherland, Russia, and
Speaker 2: it's a group of college students. I want to say
Speaker 2: there's seven or eight of them. I haven't counted the
Speaker 2: number of students in what year is this like nineteen
Speaker 2: fifty nine? Okay, So like exploring and adventuring and kind
Speaker 2: of like going through these like different passes and making
Speaker 2: their you know, like climbing the Himalayas is like a thing,
Speaker 2: or making it to this summit is a thing. It
Speaker 2: was kind of like a goal to make it to
Speaker 2: all these different right socies before the Cold War, I
Speaker 2: don't know, I don't.
Speaker 1: Work came after beef.
Speaker 2: Okay, what is that Mexican accent for?
Speaker 1: That was not Mexican Russian anyway Russian to judge me.
Speaker 2: So these college students are pretty experienced in climbing and
Speaker 2: in like firing the elements, you know.
Speaker 1: Like fairing.
Speaker 2: Is that a word. That's the word I'm trying to
Speaker 2: think of.
Speaker 1: You were going to talk about, Oh this is about fairies. Yeah, sure, fairing, fairing.
Speaker 1: How are you fairing? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And then I second guess it was just.
Speaker 1: Not a normal word. But yeah, I like it good.
Speaker 1: It's a good adjective.
Speaker 2: They were used to being out there and dealing with
Speaker 2: cold harsh when that was a verb.
Speaker 1: By the way, Yeah, motorcycle, which would make it.
Speaker 2: And I would, uh, what are you rambling about?
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be you. You know, I don't know
Speaker 1: this much. Oh yeah, that's true. Shut up.
Speaker 2: Any way, college students very experienced in climbing and hiking
Speaker 2: and being in the snow and dealing with elements and
Speaker 2: fairy and they're from Russia and this is near Northern Earls.
Speaker 2: You are a Ls Russia. I don't know what sure,
Speaker 2: northern of regular Earls, I think, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Okay, So they're going to.
Speaker 2: Go on this trip through a pass. At the time,
Speaker 2: I don't know that it was named necessarily, but it
Speaker 2: becomes to be known as Dyatlav Pass.
Speaker 1: Okay. So it's a pass, like a mountain.
Speaker 2: Pass, and there's some Native people's I think that live
Speaker 2: up there, but they're not really that high typically, and
Speaker 2: it's kind of a like a no man's land. And
Speaker 2: I think the actual mountain that they're kind of going
Speaker 2: through or across is called like death Mountain or something
Speaker 2: based on the tree because there's no trees. It's just
Speaker 2: kind of dead.
Speaker 1: It's a big frozen rock yep.
Speaker 2: So there's yeah, but there's Igor Dyatlav. He's kind of
Speaker 2: the leader of this group of college students that are
Speaker 2: going to make their There's zena let's called him Zen Zen.
Speaker 2: I think it's a female.
Speaker 1: Zen. I feel bad because just call her Zen. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then there's a cool name.
Speaker 2: She sounds hot, Leah, Leo Miller, Lela Alexander. Got that one?
Speaker 1: Is Leo Mila a female?
Speaker 2: I want to say it's a female. Okay, we'll call
Speaker 2: her Leah Alexander Alexander Rustim Rusty, We'll call him Rusty.
Speaker 2: Yuri Uri Uri with a K for the last name.
Speaker 2: And then there's Yuri with a D for the last name.
Speaker 1: Eureka and Uri Day.
Speaker 2: And then there's Nicolai Nicolai, Nicolai, Nicola Nicola okay, and
Speaker 2: then there is Simion Simi Simon, but he gets sick.
Speaker 2: He doesn't go on the.
Speaker 1: Full trip, okay Si, which is the story.
Speaker 2: Yes, the story, so it.
Speaker 1: Plays out pretty good for him.
Speaker 2: So they go through Russia. They got to go. You know,
Speaker 2: they're going to meet it this bus stop and then
Speaker 2: they're going to take this transit to this place. They're
Speaker 2: going to stay here, and then they're going to work
Speaker 2: their way up the mountain and then they're going to
Speaker 2: cross country and snowshoe and get you know, they have like.
Speaker 1: A little they got a strategy. They got it. They're
Speaker 1: not scheduled, they're.
Speaker 2: Very well planned. I do know that one of them
Speaker 2: had been working on a stove system for their tent
Speaker 2: to keep them warm, to keep them warm, and it
Speaker 2: was kind of a prototype, but it was supposed to
Speaker 2: be more efficient, and he was kind of you know,
Speaker 2: anybody working on a stove isn't ignoramus in the mountains.
Speaker 2: You know, he's just he's he's a guy, he's working.
Speaker 2: He's probably depends on how good this stove is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess that's right.
Speaker 2: So long story short, they may get up into the
Speaker 2: mountains buses. Semi gets Semi into the trip and kind
Speaker 2: of gets sick, goes home, doesn't make it.
Speaker 1: So Simeon bails out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he is not going to go.
Speaker 1: I have a feeling he's the only one that's going
Speaker 1: to survive. He makes it.
Speaker 2: So he gets up into the mountains.
Speaker 1: So there is what did I say, the Mountain of
Speaker 1: Death to the Dead Mountains of the Dead five, six, seven,
Speaker 1: eight minus Simon, which would believe, Well, I didn't count Simon. Oh,
Speaker 1: so there's eight more.
Speaker 2: Ye, So there's there's eight people that go up into
Speaker 2: the mountains in Russia. Which is you know, you hear
Speaker 2: the jokes like in Russia, you don't to play pulgar
Speaker 2: polker pullice. I don't know they have like all those
Speaker 2: jokes because Russia's tough environment, right, especially in.
Speaker 1: The mountains, very hostile. So they get up there, they.
Speaker 2: Set up their tents. They they've got some journals and
Speaker 2: stuff that you can read and if you google it
Speaker 2: you can get a lot more information. Okay, one night,
Speaker 2: middle of the night, something scares.
Speaker 1: Them, like they're in their tents.
Speaker 2: They're in a tent, like a big like a frame
Speaker 2: type with this heat.
Speaker 1: This guy created.
Speaker 2: Okay, if something scares them so bad that instead of
Speaker 2: going out the front door, they they have to cut
Speaker 2: their way out of the tent with a knife.
Speaker 1: Like something walking the front door, their way.
Speaker 2: Through the back of the tent or the sidewall of
Speaker 2: the tent to get out. Weird, And they don't put
Speaker 2: on snow shoes, and they don't put on jackets, and
Speaker 2: they don't put on you know, good insulated pants. They're
Speaker 2: in skivvies and loafers, felt loafers, and they're in the
Speaker 2: mountains negative degree temperatures, and they leave their tent for
Speaker 2: some reason they cut, They tear through the tent and
Speaker 2: run off into the into the snow in the middle
Speaker 2: of the night. So run off into the middle of
Speaker 2: the night and the snow and the cold, which you
Speaker 2: do that, you will die, that's a given.
Speaker 1: You can come back in and warm up. You're gonna
Speaker 1: die if you shed the tent though, that's not even possible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they'd have to prepare the tent to stay warm.
Speaker 2: But something scared them out of that tent, right, So
Speaker 2: they never come back. The parents are worried. Everybody's worried.
Speaker 2: Officials are worried, so they send people up there to
Speaker 2: find them, like a week later or something. Yeah, after
Speaker 2: their return is supposed to happen, and their checkings, they're
Speaker 2: just they're not hearing anything from these people and they're gone,
Speaker 2: and their loved ones are worried, so they send people
Speaker 2: up to look for them, and they find them.
Speaker 1: They were quite a ways away.
Speaker 2: They kind of went down into a little valley and
Speaker 2: after they ran out of the tent. They ran out
Speaker 2: of the tent, they went down into the valley. They
Speaker 2: left the tent completely abandoned with a tear in the side,
Speaker 2: and it looks like some of them started to try
Speaker 2: to make a fire or made it. Maybe you made
Speaker 2: a small fire, and other ones had kind of dispersed
Speaker 2: going a different direction. Some of them seemed like they
Speaker 2: tried to make a way back a little bit. But
Speaker 2: the frigid temperatures with no insulation, you're gonna you're going
Speaker 2: to freeze to fast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hypothermia, And that's.
Speaker 2: Not the weird thing that they died, but they had
Speaker 2: some blunt force trauma. One of them had his skull
Speaker 2: crushed in, their chests were crushed in. They were able
Speaker 2: to tell, based on kind of the autopsy, that they
Speaker 2: had eaten shortly before leaving, so it wasn't like they
Speaker 2: were just on their own because their tent had been
Speaker 2: ripped and was blowing over. They had to eaten. They
Speaker 2: had been fine about eight to six hours before leaving
Speaker 2: their tent because of the way that you know, autopsies work,
Speaker 2: I'm not you know, Yeah, but they were able to
Speaker 2: tell that the injuries that were made could not have
Speaker 2: been made by a human because of the force that
Speaker 2: would take. You'd have to really have some leverage or
Speaker 2: some strength or some weight. You have to have one
Speaker 2: of those things. How many people have this kind of damage.
Speaker 2: Was it like all of them are just a few
Speaker 2: of them or one of them. I want to say
Speaker 2: that three of them had pretty bad blunt force trauma
Speaker 2: to their chest or their head, which is pretty specific.
Speaker 2: It's not like you can fall, you know, and collapse
Speaker 2: your chest. It's like somebody had beat them with a
Speaker 2: like a branch or clubbed or swatted or something or
Speaker 2: limb or something. And then another one had a fractured
Speaker 2: skull and their tongue was removed. So three of them
Speaker 2: had very severe and you know, the tongue being gone thing,
Speaker 2: you can maybe say, well, what bear came through and
Speaker 2: this soft tissue. I don't know. The rest of them
Speaker 2: died from hypothermia. And they had looked like maybe they
Speaker 2: tried to start a fire. They were trying to kind
Speaker 2: of like regroup. There's probably some chaos going on. They
Speaker 2: did some tests on the bodies, like I said, and
Speaker 2: they found some radiation, like abnormally high radiation on the people,
Speaker 2: which kind of led to some conspiracies about maybe nuclear
Speaker 2: testing or something. I'd heard a rumor or I've read
Speaker 2: rumors about maybe the tree tops were burned, like something
Speaker 2: had come through there, like a missile. Or a UFO
Speaker 2: or something weird. One thing that stuck out that made
Speaker 2: me really kind of like pause and reread the whole
Speaker 2: thing was that one of the only noticeable footprints that
Speaker 2: they could find was an abnormally large humanoid footprint coming
Speaker 2: from the tent into the death of these people, and
Speaker 2: unfortunately seven people died.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I was wondering how you're going to
Speaker 1: turn this back to a big foot story because I'm like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute.
Speaker 2: But they're in the high mountains of Russia. Something scares
Speaker 2: them out of their tent, chases them down, potentially beats
Speaker 2: them three of them to death with abnormally and all
Speaker 2: the strength, and one of the one of their tongues
Speaker 2: is ripped out, probably the mouthy one. And the only
Speaker 2: like real trail that I could find, you know, like
Speaker 2: Wikipedia and little articles I can find online. I didn't
Speaker 2: rent a book from the library or no, but the
Speaker 2: stuff that I can find, the only real abnormal explanation
Speaker 2: they have is burnt trees, high radiation and giant footprints,
Speaker 2: fliprint which brings in aliens. Yeah, testing, radiology, all that stuff.
Speaker 1: And all things that we've talked about before that always
Speaker 1: kind of seem to marry up with all the weird.
Speaker 2: Topics of it. And what a better group of people
Speaker 2: to picked than a tent full of young young college
Speaker 2: students in the mountains to make your weird alien tests song.
Speaker 1: So my first thought was on this thing was, okay,
Speaker 1: got college students, got co eds going up in the
Speaker 1: mountains in a tent with a special kind of stove,
Speaker 1: maybe with some special kind of plant.
Speaker 2: That you burn in the stove, that you burn in
Speaker 2: the stove, or you know, you think.
Speaker 1: About what kind of drugs if they were psychedelics. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is the fifties, right, so it's right before the sixties,
Speaker 1: So sixties people are doing LSD and all kinds of psychedelics.
Speaker 1: I mean, I could see. But you've also got that
Speaker 1: whole history of like the Germans and stuff that were
Speaker 1: developing these mind altering yeah kind of loosenogenics and LSD
Speaker 1: so that they could try to, you know, get people's
Speaker 1: minds to work differently. It's almost like maybe they had
Speaker 1: like a massisteria event. Maybe they all shared a trip
Speaker 1: and like something, they freaked out and they ran off.
Speaker 1: You know, they didn't feel the cold right away. It
Speaker 1: doesn't explain the blunt force trauma, right.
Speaker 2: And and they tried to rationalize that maybe there was
Speaker 2: a fell off a cliff. It fell off a cliff,
Speaker 2: tried to climb a tree to get dryer temper or something,
Speaker 2: you know, to make a fire. A lot of them,
Speaker 2: you know, you can justify their clothes being gone because
Speaker 2: of hypothermia. There's a there's a process of hypothermia where
Speaker 2: you actually start taking your clothes off.
Speaker 1: I think you're hot.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then they said, well, maybe the native people
Speaker 2: in the area had come and attacked them. But they
Speaker 2: said that, I mean, like to crush somebody's chest or
Speaker 2: skull takes a lot of force. It's not like you're
Speaker 2: gonna do that with a stick. You know, you get
Speaker 2: maybe kicked by a horse or something, but you're not
Speaker 2: going to take a horse up there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really weird, weird.
Speaker 2: And then some of the other theories is maybe like
Speaker 2: kind of internal strife between everybody. You know, there's three girls,
Speaker 2: five guys, and then there's this guy and that guy.
Speaker 2: And I think the leader, Dyetlov was actually like a
Speaker 2: martial arts kind of guy, and maybe he was okay,
Speaker 2: So this guy scared everybody out of a tent beat
Speaker 2: the crap out of him and then didn't come back
Speaker 2: and warm up. He chased him out there in his
Speaker 2: underwear and died. You know, it seems weird.
Speaker 1: You can think of cinnerias where like one guy goes nut,
Speaker 1: you know, and has a mashety martial arts skills are
Speaker 1: a knife and he's gonna like get you, and so
Speaker 1: people just freak out run whatever direction they have. The
Speaker 1: guy freaks out starts cutting the tent up, so they
Speaker 1: run away.
Speaker 2: Another another theory is maybe the stove had burned the
Speaker 2: tent and carbon tent on fire, and then they cut
Speaker 2: their way out because they couldn't get out the front.
Speaker 1: What was the tent burned?
Speaker 2: That's the weird part of that theory is it's not
Speaker 2: like the tents burnt.
Speaker 1: It's not like you see that.
Speaker 2: And then and then they have a third explanation where.
Speaker 1: The carbon monoxide or something it could.
Speaker 2: Be maybe not with a woodstove so much it would
Speaker 2: be smoky, and then people would I mean they could,
Speaker 2: but it.
Speaker 1: Could displace oxygen.
Speaker 2: It could, but you think they'd open the door. If
Speaker 2: they're rational enough to cut their way out, they'd open
Speaker 2: the door right draft their way Another thing I've heard
Speaker 2: about this whole scenario that went down this incident is
Speaker 2: an infrasound infrasound. Infrasound, which is like a certain tone
Speaker 2: or the way the wavelengths line up in sound that
Speaker 2: cause anxiety.
Speaker 1: And like those stupid alarm clocks that go off.
Speaker 2: It's like, I don't know about that. I think that's
Speaker 2: a like a conditioned response that you're now, but.
Speaker 1: They actually design them to be like abrasive and irritating.
Speaker 1: I mean some of them, like my Google alarm clock
Speaker 1: goes off and it's very pleasant, just kind of little chimes,
Speaker 1: but that thing is so it's like put your nails
Speaker 1: on a chalkboard.
Speaker 2: I think those are subconscious conditioned responses. This is like
Speaker 2: a thing where you could take an African child who
Speaker 2: had never heard music or anything in his life. It
Speaker 2: would still impact and you could play this extremely low
Speaker 2: noise and he wouldn't even hear it, it wouldn't register,
Speaker 2: but it would start to make him feel anxious and
Speaker 2: uncomfortable and people. He would start hallucinating maybe that there's
Speaker 2: something in the corner of his eye.
Speaker 1: Okay, So tie that into harp, which is that big
Speaker 1: kind of low frequency whether experiment up in Alaska or somewhere,
Speaker 1: and they say that it can like generate those kind
Speaker 1: of and actually change the people's mindset or actually like
Speaker 1: affect their attitudes and mental state. Yeah, so, I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess I can see that, and.
Speaker 2: That's that's another theory. And they in this particular theory,
Speaker 2: they think it might be because of the way the
Speaker 2: two draws of the canyon or these two valleys or whatever,
Speaker 2: actually the air pressure is changing and causing this.
Speaker 1: So can you actually create that kind of effect that
Speaker 1: somehow weird?
Speaker 2: So that seems like a stretch to me, and maybe
Speaker 2: the government was testing some weapon on some college students
Speaker 2: or something. But the big footprints really stick with you
Speaker 2: at the end. It's like, so you read through all
Speaker 2: these articles and then it's like and then they saw
Speaker 2: these big footprints, and you're like.
Speaker 1: What was it? Well, it could have been one of
Speaker 1: those giant Siberian bears or even like.
Speaker 2: A giant Siberian bears. Well, yeah, they call those Bengal
Speaker 2: bears begal.
Speaker 1: Power. No, I mean, there's a lot of bears up
Speaker 1: there and they're huge. I don't know if you call
Speaker 1: them grizzlies. But in Siberia and those kind of places.
Speaker 1: I mean, there are bears and they kill people, right,
Speaker 1: they eat them, you know, and maybe.
Speaker 2: A bear wandered in there. It's possible that would explain
Speaker 2: the eating tongue and the shredded and that they ten't
Speaker 2: you know, stomping on a chest or ahead or whatever,
Speaker 2: and then everybody else ran away, got away and.
Speaker 1: Froze FROs It's possible. But I like the bear thing.
Speaker 1: The footprint, though, doesn't quite fit with the bear kind
Speaker 1: of does, but it's kind of like, you know, Cinderella
Speaker 1: and her slipper. It's like the barefoot doesn't quite fit
Speaker 1: the humanoid foot. I mean they're similar.
Speaker 2: Well, you look at a barefoot, they're almost square, It's true,
Speaker 2: they're they're they're about as wide as they are a long. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you look at a human foot. They're much longer than
Speaker 2: they are wide, which reminds me unless you're like a weirdo.
Speaker 1: Then this documentary I watched about Justin and the big
Speaker 1: Foot that he shot, they take casts of these footprints
Speaker 1: and they're very wide, but they also have toes, which
Speaker 1: is really weird. So they they kind of look like
Speaker 1: bear prints, but they're very human.
Speaker 2: But they're like block wedgy kind of they're not like
Speaker 2: a long they're they're like a shrunk version.
Speaker 1: They're not like they're really long, but they're really wide
Speaker 1: at the same time.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah shoes, Yeah kind of well kind of yeah, and
Speaker 1: you know, it's weird. I've seen people with that type
Speaker 1: of footprint. You remember when like you're at a pool
Speaker 1: or whatever and you jump out and your your wet
Speaker 1: footprint is on the concrete and yours has like a
Speaker 1: high arch or whatever, and then you see the person
Speaker 1: that's got a flat super and it looks like a.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of like that bigfoot maybe has
Speaker 2: arc problems. You look at the typical bigfoot things and
Speaker 2: they're long humanoid feet, but they're long, they're they're just
Speaker 2: bigger versions.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I've also heard that people that say that these feet
Speaker 1: are like hinged differently than human.
Speaker 2: Feet, right, so they have like an extra hinge in
Speaker 2: the middle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like an extra hinge which helps them, like, you know,
Speaker 1: move quickly up or downhillk.
Speaker 2: Of makes sense, like monkeys kind of like your hands,
Speaker 2: they're more like your hand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can move your toes, your or your fingers
Speaker 2: and then your knuckles and then your wrist and you
Speaker 2: can kind of like reach around. We're both waving our hands.
Speaker 2: Long story short, I think it's all weird.
Speaker 1: It is all weird. This whole Bigfoot thing has been
Speaker 1: really fun, but it's been really weird.
Speaker 2: So that reminds me of a story. And we had
Speaker 2: talked about it kind of off mic and maybe mentioned
Speaker 2: it earlier, about the North Carolina lizard man.
Speaker 1: Lizard man. Yeah, he's another one of these things that
Speaker 1: kind of fits in the bipedal cryptid but doesn't quite
Speaker 1: line up exactly right with Bigfoot or Sasquat.
Speaker 2: Exactly in that story of the girl running over the
Speaker 2: the thing in the road and having to pull over
Speaker 2: in Wisconsin. In Wisconsin, this takes place in North Carolina,
Speaker 2: where they have less cheese. But it's so and a
Speaker 2: young boy he's making his way home and he gets
Speaker 2: a flat on a road.
Speaker 1: He's driving a car.
Speaker 2: If I remember correctly, we talked about this and I
Speaker 2: had looked it up and we'd gone back and forth
Speaker 2: about it a couple of times. But if I remember right,
Speaker 2: he got a flat tire and he's getting out to
Speaker 2: swap the tire over, and maybe he's here something behind
Speaker 2: him or he's almost done falves stench and he's getting
Speaker 2: wrapped up and he can hear this thing just coming
Speaker 2: behind it running. So he turns around and there's this
Speaker 2: thing kind of with a scaly, grimy body but also
Speaker 2: with hair, which so.
Speaker 1: He's finished putting the spare tyren I believe, close to it.
Speaker 1: Maybe he's got out of the six.
Speaker 2: Yep okay, and he gets chased by this monster, has
Speaker 2: to get back in his car. So very similar stories
Speaker 2: about similar creatures where they're not typical bigfoots.
Speaker 1: Yeah, big big feet, big five moves mice meat and whatever.
Speaker 1: The moss and the.
Speaker 2: Wood is in it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what is that Brian Reagan? Anyway, Yeah, very similar
Speaker 2: situation where it's not the same animal necessarily that we
Speaker 2: hear about in Native American or you know where we live,
Speaker 2: but it's kind of similar and it smells yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's got a lot of but in this time it attacks,
Speaker 2: much like the girl in Wisconsin.
Speaker 1: So he gets back in his truck. This thing attacks,
Speaker 1: It jumps on his vehicle. If I remember, I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: doesn't it like beat the crap out of it?
Speaker 2: It does a little bit of damage and he actually
Speaker 2: reports it to the police, and that's why the story
Speaker 2: is kind of.
Speaker 1: Like what it came out. Yeah, so this thing beats
Speaker 1: up his car, he escapes, but this lizard creature had
Speaker 1: like what scales instead of.
Speaker 2: Hair or was it hairy or See that's where I'm
Speaker 2: kind of confused, because they talk about it being hair,
Speaker 2: and then they kind of talk about it being feather
Speaker 2: and they kind of talk about it being like lizards.
Speaker 1: You know, they say that scales turn into feathers, and
Speaker 1: feathers turned into hair. Maybe it's like it looks like scales,
Speaker 1: but it moves into like a hair maybe yeah, like
Speaker 1: gorillas or.
Speaker 2: Maybe te mangy and maybe it's got mad blaxoriasis like
Speaker 2: I do. And it looks like he's got scales, but
Speaker 2: he doesn't, I think, have big claws.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's what I thought.
Speaker 2: He had more instead of like the big foot, he
Speaker 2: had more like triple digit toes. Yeah, three fingers, that's
Speaker 2: right we talked about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so it was more like he had lizard
Speaker 1: feet or like chicken feet or bird feet then like
Speaker 1: big feet.
Speaker 2: And as you can see, based on this, we could
Speaker 2: just talk about a whole episode of Lizard of North Carolina. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the word we can talk about, you know, the any
Speaker 2: of these stories we've talked about, we could probably do
Speaker 2: a full episode.
Speaker 1: I just I love these stories. I mean, who what
Speaker 1: is really real and what's imagined and what people are
Speaker 1: just lying about and making up. But they're fun.
Speaker 2: I do love those ones where like the guy it's
Speaker 2: like always on like History channel of a national geographic
Speaker 2: and they're like Randall was alone at home one night.
Speaker 2: He's like, I was home alone one night. And then
Speaker 2: they're like, and he saw something terrifying and I was
Speaker 2: like going down, going there and get get now, get
Speaker 2: and then they're like the monster ran away, not through
Speaker 2: that mons and him as you gotta get out of
Speaker 2: my part day I'll go get my shotgun and I
Speaker 2: happened to and then they're like you never saw the
Speaker 2: monster again. And then they do like a whole series
Speaker 2: of television shows about this guy who had like and
Speaker 2: they made a story about a guy who knew a
Speaker 2: guy who went fishing one time and then I saw sasquat.
Speaker 1: It's just yeah, it's done. And then they make these
Speaker 1: rena we're dramatization, you know, and they make him really
Speaker 1: scary and you're like, oh my gosh, and you're looking
Speaker 1: for and you're waiting for the truth to amount and
Speaker 1: then they end it and it never happens.
Speaker 2: They make them scary, but they're like those B movies
Speaker 2: we were talking about where there's a girl and she's like,
Speaker 2: g golly whiz, I don't know, Timmy, we best go
Speaker 2: back inside before we catch us as a sniffle and
Speaker 2: he's like, no, baby, girl, we're gonna make it.
Speaker 1: And then and then there's like a.
Speaker 2: And then there's like a.
Speaker 1: Ah and then they run and run and the shaky
Speaker 1: cameras they run. Yeah yeah, and then like witch. You know,
Speaker 1: I gotta say, so that story I told about justin Smeasia, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that actually was on that Geo and geographic. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: if you get on YouTube you can look that up.
Speaker 1: And it's just so I don't know, you know, people
Speaker 1: jump on the bandwagon and we're telling the stories over
Speaker 1: and ever again, so I guess we're kind of doing
Speaker 1: the same thing. But they are fascinating, they're fun to
Speaker 1: look at. They passed the time, and with all the
Speaker 1: crap going on in the world right now, it's kind
Speaker 1: of nice. To have something to divert your focus on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and forget about some of those things and think about
Speaker 1: things that are really.
Speaker 2: Important, like Bigfoot, Big feat Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, Austin, you know, it's been fun. I think maybe
Speaker 1: we should just like close this out, put this whole
Speaker 1: chapter to bed. Maybe we'll resurrect it in the near future.
Speaker 2: I think we should do some touchoffs because there's a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff we weren't able to do what we
Speaker 2: wanted to do.
Speaker 1: So we've been doing this a little over a year,
Speaker 1: and I've got updates on our initial kickoff, which was
Speaker 1: cattle mulations. There's been a lot of weird stuff going
Speaker 1: on with cattle mutilations. We got more paranormal stuff that
Speaker 1: have happened that we could share. I mean, it's like
Speaker 1: we don't have enough time to do all the possibilities
Speaker 1: of all the strange things that are going on. But
Speaker 1: you know, we're just gonna keep plodding away. I hope
Speaker 1: you guys are having fun. Please, if you get the chance,
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Speaker 1: about strange things, that they encounter.
Speaker 2: You want to hear my most recent strange thing.
Speaker 1: Yes, please.
Speaker 2: I was going to a fast food restaurant that will
Speaker 2: remain nameless. Anonymous anonymous. Okay, so I was going through
Speaker 2: this fast food place. Yeah, and I'm looking at their
Speaker 2: sign and there's a sandwich on there. It looks really good.
Speaker 2: It's got stuff on it that I like, onions, jelapinos,
Speaker 2: you know, all the digs.
Speaker 1: You're making me hungry and wall this.
Speaker 2: Is about to turn you off from that hungry because
Speaker 2: there's like this sauce on there, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: it looks cool and some kind of mustard special thing
Speaker 2: sauce and it says it was an arrow on it.
Speaker 2: Mystery sauce.
Speaker 1: Was like, Nope, not doing the mysteries. It's not a
Speaker 1: chance I've coughed up some mystery sauce.
Speaker 2: Everyonized.
Speaker 1: No, don't ask Bill Clinton about the mystery sauce. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm not good.
Speaker 2: I don't do it, Bill Clinton.
Speaker 1: How do you do it?
Speaker 2: Bill Clinton?
Speaker 1: I did not have checks with that.
Speaker 2: I did not.
Speaker 1: Do you think we need to wrap this puppy up?
Speaker 2: Wrap these big feet.
Speaker 1: They wrapped these big feet up.
Speaker 2: In some sucky and join us next time for some
Speaker 2: cold drinks and some strange conversations.
Speaker 1: Absolutely