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Speaker 1: You know, for effect, Dear our aliens.

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Speaker 2: Our difference is worldwide would vanish if we were facing

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an alien threat. Perhaps we need some outside universal threat

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to make us recognize this common bound. Breaking news tonight,

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Sean Diddy Combs has been arrested in an unhappy hotel.

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There's a relation to some comments that you made on

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a Facebook page.

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Speaker 3: This is a Fox News alert.

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Speaker 1: The Epstein files have been released.

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Speaker 4: Across the Pond you're looking at now, sir. Everything that

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happens now is happening for sure.

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Speaker 1: Now, welcome back everyone to Across the Pond, the podcast

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that dares to uncover the mysteries lurking beyond the veil

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of reality. From government cover ups and secret experiments to

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haunting scriptids and UFO encounters, we explore the unexplained and

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the conspiracies that keep them hidden. And today we have

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a very special guest with us which Lee is going

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to tell you all about this. This is his thing,

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this is his bread and butter. If you will so,

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Lee take it away.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 5: Thank you Stein, Yes, thank you, Yes, I am the

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I'm the UAP guy for Across the Pond.

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Speaker 3: So thank you for that. Stein.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for the intro on tonight's episode, We've actually

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got a very special guest with us. We've got maybe

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the push for UK disclosure in the flesh this evening,

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and we're going to just peel back a few of

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the layers of the topic. It's a massive topic, and

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these layers go deep and they go on forever, seemingly,

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so we won't be able to peel them all back tonight,

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but maybe just jumping into, you know, in more recent

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times and then what this sort of the future looks

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like this for this topic. So thank you very much

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for joining us this evening.

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Speaker 4: Mark. Yeah, thanks guys for having me on. I look

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forward to chatting to you.

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Speaker 3: Fire, awaiting times, exciting times.

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Speaker 5: In the UAP community, well it all got kind of

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reignited in twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 3: Is that a fair assessment?

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Speaker 4: I think so? Yeah, mostly from the US side. I

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guess what we're kind of trying to do now is

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to kick started in the UK where we seem to

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be lagging behind the Americans and many forms of life.

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and it's you know, UFOs UFA is don just happened

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in America. You know, they happen all over the world.

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Take it back from America, but you know, and push

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for some form of transparency or disclosure in the UK

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because during my thirty years now investigating, there's definitely covers up,

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cover ups, and you know, we've got whistleblowers wanting to

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come forward, r EF pilots wanting to give evidence. You know,

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there's a whole thing. They're ready to go. But because

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of this stigma still attached in the UK and the

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fear of ridicule that people are reluctant to come forward

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and go public. That's the issue we've got over here.

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Speaker 5: And that seems to be an issue that echoes around

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the world, doesn't it. There always seems to be some

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kind of suppression in place. I mean, it's interesting looking

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outwards from the UK because we sort of get a

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lot of the press room America, don't We see a

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lot of the UAP sort of topic that we are

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involved with and were keeping up with is more predominantly

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Speaker 3: Do you Why do you think that is? I mean,

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Speaker 5: Know of around the world, But is it just that

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there's other countries that you seem maybe to think that

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this is as a hawk's topic or why do you

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think it just seems to be the US there's leading this.

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Speaker 4: I guess we hear it from the US, being you know,

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probably still our closest ally and we speak the same language,

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Speaker 6: I mean, in France there's a lot of.

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military industrial complex, you know, from Groom Lake Area fifty one,

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the development of the atom bomb, it's all been centered there,

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Speaker 6: So I think that's why.

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Speaker 4: And I think if there is some sort of worldwide

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cover up about the existence of extraterrestrial life, the Five

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Speaker 6: Are they're the main you know, partners in it?

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Speaker 5: And there's a lot of sort of conflicting theories, aren't

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there out there in the ether of why this is

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being suppressed? And of course who is suppressing Obviously this

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controlling this entire thing, keeping the suppression there, not from

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a national security standpoint, but for more profitable reasons. Essentially,

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the free energy capacity that could come for it could

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cause a lot of issues within their sectors. So there's

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you know, there are theories all that. Well, I mean,

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what's your standpoint on that? I know it's a it's

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very avan to jump straight to that.

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Speaker 4: Years of investigating. There's no one size fits all answer

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to the enigma. There's many answers and all of them

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Speaker 3: Pieces, bits and pieces of everything could make.

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Speaker 4: Us reality to be looking at. It's too complex for

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just one one answer. I think you're right with the

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the private American industrial contractors, they'll have it sequestered away,

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hidden from freedom of information. Requests in the black budget,

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which we know is massive in America, so that would

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be going on definitely. Whether they've got reverse engineered UFOs

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quite possibly, but they've definitely got advanced technology which is

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way ahead of what we think they have. Whether that

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accounts for all of the UFO science so doubt it

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account for some of them. And it is complex because

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UFOs are basically disinformation campaign deliberately by the Pentagon to

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put people off the scent of you know, new weapons,

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new technology. I think there is some of that, definitely,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think that's that's not specific to just

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it comes to warfare and bombs and bullets, and.

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Speaker 4: They're going to be doing it. So it's pretty really

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it's like you want to get the holy grail and

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you want to get the answer, the one definitive bit

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Speaker 6: It all seems one grasp away.

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Speaker 5: Well, seemingly, the biggest people are the people making I

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suppose the biggest leaps in this I suppose with the

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biggest spotlight on them would be I suppose you could

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consider the SkyWatch team the Skywatcher team. I mean, have

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you been keeping tabs on that? What do you think

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of that entire city?

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Speaker 4: I have been seeing what they've been doing. And to

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take that seriously you have to kind of put your

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logical mind aside and think there's something to the mind

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entering into it and being able to manifest through CE

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Speaker 5: I think if it's been proven, I mean looking at it,

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looking at the history, it tends to be the US

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after them, don't they? And so I think the UK obviously,

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, and that's what I'm trying to use over here.

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So well, you know, look at the Americans. These people

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have testified decorated pilots, testified on growth in Congress. You know,

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these are not crazy people. These are not tinfoil hat people.

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my last him, The King of the UFOs, which is

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about the British poor family. They took it really seriously,

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lots of evidence that they, yeah, UFOs, we want to

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know about them. I mean, when we're about crop circles,

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this is weird and it's something real.

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Speaker 3: You see, there's rumors attached.

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Speaker 5: I mean, just touching on you and the King of

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UFOs documentary, there are rumors are there were rumors King

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your documentary. So if you haven't seen it already and

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that the King of Ufo is on Prime, isn't it

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that one I'm sure it is.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, that's that's an interesting story because I

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these great fascinating tidbits. And then I got an email

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old munition factories, it was underwater case songs and all

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electro magnetic effects which stood it out. So it just

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testimony at first, and I thought it was interesting, I'll

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put it in the film. But since I put it

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we saw that too. We had this incident in such

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a Sandy Point incident and all their soil was turned

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turns out that I've made the people think, oh, it's

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Speaker 5: And since releasing the documentary, have you had any sort

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of well, have you had any contact from the royal

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family regarding it?

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Speaker 4: No? Interesting, I'm still still hoping. I've sent a couple

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of and I sent one recently about disclosure and maybe

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meeting for that, but I haven't heard anything, though I

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do caveate that with the executive producer, John Hanson, who's

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an ex CID police officer. He runs this archive in

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one that was let writing less to Prince Philip the

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Queen getting them back saying yeah, we've added your book

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Speaker 5: And that's that's confirmed that there has been back and

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Speaker 3: Now, maybe it's a bit we have had.

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Speaker 7: We have had a word from various better be careful

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what I say here, various leading UFO researchers in the US,

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Speaker 4: Them who have been briefing the British government and the

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King uh on disclosure on the UFOs. That's definitely. I

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can't name names. I will do when I can. Ah.

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Speaker 6: So it is getting to the highest level.

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Speaker 3: And well I know you can't name names? Can you

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name departments?

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Speaker 5: Are these three letter agencies within the US government or

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are we talking outside entities that just happened to be

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in the know?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're talking about We're talking about leading UFO researchers

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in the US.

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Speaker 5: Okay, are not connected to any intelligence agencies at all?

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Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, Okay, that's still fascinating that they would.

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Speaker 5: You know, you know what I find well, no, I'll

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even more find its fascinating is that it's it's the

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leading UFO researchers that are the ones trying to get

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involved with the UK government and speak to officials. Why

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isn't it departments like Arrow and you know and OSARP

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and you know, even the FBI is new, say new,

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they've been apparently they've been investigating it for years as well.

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Why is there no sort of you know, intelligence sharing

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as it were, considering the fact that we've been allies

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for a number of years, They've got hig you know,

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our security bases here and vice versa.

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Speaker 4: So wouldn't you I mean, there has to be Maybe

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it is. We just don't know. I mean, because my

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latest film about the Rendussan UFO case in nineteen eighty

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that was a joint US UK air base and there

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was a joint cover up by both the UK and

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US military.

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Speaker 6: That's that's definite.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I just speaking of Gary Heselton about that the other week.

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promoting his new books, so I went across to speak

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to him, and obviously he's added a lot more meat

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to the bones from his initial investigation.

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Speaker 3: And I tell you so, I took my dad with me,

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actually right, well, his stepdad.

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Speaker 5: I took him with Mayors because just for an interest piece,

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just because we had not to do so we came

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along with and we went and he sat there and

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he listened to him. The thing that really resonated between,

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you know, from my dad was the fact that that

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Gary is not a couke.

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Speaker 3: There's clearly not a couke.

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Speaker 6: This is.

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Speaker 5: You know, he works his evidential base, he works things

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on fact.

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Speaker 3: He's a detective.

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Speaker 5: He's he's had you know, there's no and the way

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that he spoke and he handled himself as well, was

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really good during the speak in the fact that again

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it came across this is is very evident based. Everything

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he said was very analytical and it changed everything for.

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Speaker 3: The stepdad.

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Speaker 5: It changed everything for him and now his mind is

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just He says he's not been able to sleep a

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wink all week. He says he never even gave this

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a second thought, this topic. So that's this is the

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level of the man that also carried out the investigation

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on the Rendulsham incident. You know, just add some you know,

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added a lot more sort of credibility to the story

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for anybody that hasn't that doesn't know about that one yet.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks, Gary is a very credible person, and that

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these are the sort of people we need to push

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for UFO disclosure in the UK. And that's It's difficult,

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isn't it, Because you know, we go on social media

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and we see lots of different theories and things like that,

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and it's very easy to, like Nick Pope alluded to

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it and theave a week back, going down the paranormal

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rabbit hole. Because there is this element, I think which

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is a bit woo woo about UFOs and I'm a

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big kind of fan of the work of John Keel

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and Jacques Valet. I think there is this other weird

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side to UFOs that's not necessarily visitors from another planet.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I agree with that to be fair.

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Speaker 5: And like you said, once you fall down the rabbit Harley,

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you see many different facets that add to this. It

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just it becomes a lot more than just sauces in

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the sky, doesn't it.

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Speaker 4: It does. Yeah, I mean that's that's what we found

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with the with our Rendus from film that we did

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because we looked at the nineteen eighty case a bit,

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but that wasn't our main focus because lots of people

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have done that and everyone knows it.

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Speaker 6: There's various theories which we go into a little bit.

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Speaker 4: But what interested me was people were going back to

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the same place and having weird, anomalous experiences, correct credible people.

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I mentioned earlier this x C I D. Police officer

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John Hanson, who wrote a book two books with Charles

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Holt about Rendelson. He went back to Rendell Sham and

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they were doing C five before it was called CE five.

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It's basically getting a bunch of friends together, sitting quietly

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in the woods, maybe meditating a little bit, and you know,

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seeing what happens. And he, you know, he showed me

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videos that there's a UFO appears. This in the film

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comes out of nowhere. There's orbs ah, there's these really

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weird kind of rob things in the sky photograph and

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then the weirdness of all there was these stones that

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were just dropped down out of the sky from nowhere.

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Ports is the technical term. And you know, this is

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a no nonsense brummy, you know, a bit like Gary Hesitant,

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you know, x CID detective. He's not going to he

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deals with facts. And he's telling me this and you

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know he was there the experienced that he showed me

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the stones they were setting off. Analysis came back like said,

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it's like they've just been made, recently made.

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Speaker 3: That was a question I asked, Actually.

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Speaker 6: So how is that possible?

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Speaker 4: That just defis you know, normal physics. And it's like,

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so you're going into a weird bit. And then I

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spoke to more and more people that have been back

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to Rendalsham over the years, basically manifested UFOs and one

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of the better word that's come out from nowhere. We

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went there and we experienced well weird stuff. And you

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know my background is I'm a musician, but I have

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a science degree. So kind to find a scientific you know,

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reason for something and not just clutching it weird theories

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for the sake of it. But when there all those

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have been dismissed, where else do you go?

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Speaker 5: Well, that should again, this is another thing just to

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add a bit more credibility to just who you are.

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You know, having a science degree means that you know

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so how science works, the process of how we do

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prove things, and the many layers that there are. And

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for you to be chasing this and you know, like

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you said that initially, you've been doing this for thirty years.

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Now for you to still be going after that for

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thirty years, that in itself lends credibility to the fact

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that this isn't just a hawk's topic. This is It's

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obvious at this point, it really is. It's as obvious

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as a smack in the face. At this point, it

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just seems to be that nobody seems to be in

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authority ready for the.

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Speaker 4: Speech. And you know what the interesting thing is, because

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I go around a lot of places and I usually

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wear a UFO T shirt or a badge on my

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jacket and something, and everyone comes up to you, and

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everyone's got story, you know, for more walks of life

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or colors, old queeds, whatever, Everyone's got story, even I've

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met chat a film conference a few months ago from

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Al Jazeera Network, comes from Jordan. I didn't think to

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be culturally into the UFOs. We've had a really good

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chat and he was telling me about his grandparents and

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these great grandparents and they talked to the little people

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that lived on the hills and that's civilization and coach

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that went further up the hills, and there's weird lights

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and things like that.

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Speaker 6: So you know, it's it's a universal thing.

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Speaker 4: And I think once people know it's okay to talk about,

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there'll be a lot more proof that comes out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously, I'll go on. Okay, I've been I've been trying.

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Speaker 1: Uh, like I know, this is your this is your

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is your ship.

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Speaker 3: But like I've been, I've been.

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Speaker 4: Twenty minutes.

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Speaker 1: So you know, with your background as a scientist, and

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you also recognize that you know, it is kind of

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you know, woo, like you're talking about manifestation and all that,

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which is like right up my alley with the the

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size of you know, the black budgets that we meant

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and these secret projects that are most definitely going on

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the reasons well, let's say increase in up Phenomenona how many,

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in your opinion, how many of those crafts are, you know,

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let's say black budgets crafts, and how many are indeed

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something outer worldly, inner worldly, outer dimensional perhaps even like

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what do you think it is? Like, I mean there's

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secret crafts, Like is it kind of fifty to fifty curious?

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Speaker 4: That's a really really, really really good question, really difficult

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to answer. I don't know. I'm not going to make

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things up. I don't know. I think there is. There's

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definitely man made stuff, and I think Renderson might be

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edging towards that way a little bit in terms. I'll

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going to that a little bit. But yeah, I mean

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it's definitely with the SkyWatch, Jake Barbera and all the

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See five things that is out there. I don't think

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it's something physical, physical craft. I know people do think that.

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I think there's something coming from another possibly dimension, which

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does sound out there. Ah, So you've got that, You've

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got the Black budget crafts, and do we have the

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least likely One of my opinions scientifically is having extraterrestrial

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spacecraft coming from billions of light years away. That makes

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no sense to me the size of the planet unless

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if you go into the anarkin on. Unless you think

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that life here has been created or hybridized, then that

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makes sense.

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Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, I mean that's that's the The whole

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timeline thing is the whole timeline thing is one of

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the things that you know, kind of puts me off.

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It's like, oh, you know, they come from millions of

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light years away, which means that they would see our

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planet as it was, you know, all those millions of

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years ago, like you know, even like sixty five million

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years ago, they still see the dinosaurs roaming around. What's

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interesting about freaking dinosaurs for a you know, highly intelligent technology, technological,

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advanced civilization, just like a bunch of big ass lizards.

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Speaker 4: Good point.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, see, I think that the if the if we

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break in the ability to move faster than the speed

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of light and come from somewhere that is potentially billions

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of light years away. In this very sense of how

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you move move an object from there to there via

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the speed of light means that you have to move

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through space in time. So the theory is it's not

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just linear, is it That there's layers to it. So

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it's not a case of go in there to there.

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It would be a jump from one place to the other,

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which I supposed you start talking about maybe wormholes or portals,

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or or just the very nature of moving through the

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fabrico space and time itself. You know, there are theories

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around that that that's the case. It maybe isn't just

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a case of just heading in the direction as fast

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as you can.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, let's not forget that.

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Speaker 4: Steven Spielberg, of all people, thinks that you have the

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gray Aliens time travelers, it's us from the future.

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Speaker 1: That is a theory that I'm very familiar with a

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lot of theosophical scholars. Yeah, well, we'll speak about that theory,

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like the little gray aliens, it's humans.

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Speaker 3: But we went like.

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Speaker 1: Down the like the Simulacra timeline, the merging with on Man,

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with technology. That's why they are so you no, incredibly intelligent,

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because you know they have like you know, they went

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just only the brain route, if you will, And that's

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why they're you know, their skin is great because they

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have really no humanity left, and you know, they're probing

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us and you know kind of you know, coming back

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to us because I don't know, like trying to figure

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out how they can undo it something I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they need something that you know, we've got they'd lost.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, theory, all these other things on theories with

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the Eisenhower making a deal with them in the fifties,

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and so they could have abduct a certain number of

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many a year in order for the exchange of technology,

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00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,440
and then would you believe it, you know, fiber optics

476
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:43,240
and various other technologies arrive very soon after considering. I mean,

477
00:26:43,519 --> 00:26:45,359
this is something that I theorize on a lot, and

478
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:46,839
I think about and I do air it, and it's

479
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,319
just one point for deep thinking, I think, is that

480
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,640
when you look at human history and where we've come

481
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,960
from and where we are until about nineteen forty, call

482
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,519
it nineteen forty, and then where we've gone from nineteen

483
00:26:58,599 --> 00:27:02,160
forty to twenty twenty five, and the jump in technological

484
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:06,839
advancement is ridiculous. It's ridiculous, and it's sort of you

485
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,519
haven't seen that anywhere else well in recorded history that

486
00:27:09,559 --> 00:27:14,079
we know about, that's for sure, not including technologies that

487
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,160
may have been or may have not been used in

488
00:27:16,279 --> 00:27:18,799
previous you know, civilizations.

489
00:27:18,839 --> 00:27:24,519
Speaker 3: But questions could it have happened? Could there been of that.

490
00:27:24,759 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 5: Exchange, because you know, in the forty seven incident in

491
00:27:27,759 --> 00:27:30,640
Roswell that lends credibility to it. And again with the

492
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,839
advanced technology and then the deal and suddenly all these

493
00:27:34,839 --> 00:27:37,160
abductions start happening around about the.

494
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 3: Time when people you know, where this deal went down.

495
00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:42,880
You know the theories on that. There's just so many

496
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,480
dots to connect on this topic and you could spend

497
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,279
years playing with it.

498
00:27:48,519 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you mentioned Roswell. It's like, it's quite

499
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:58,039
interesting that. Well, you probably noticed story Einstein's assystem at

500
00:27:58,039 --> 00:27:58,440
the time.

501
00:27:58,559 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 6: It wasn't a deathbed confession.

502
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 4: She recorded this interview before she died, locked it away

503
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,920
in a safe from when she died. It was released,

504
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,440
so she didn't gain anything from it. But she said

505
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,839
that her and Einstein went to Roswell to observe the

506
00:28:12,839 --> 00:28:16,160
Gray Aliens and Einstein met one of them and things

507
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,599
like that, and there's no reason for her to make

508
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:20,039
it up.

509
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,279
Speaker 6: So was Einstein there, which.

510
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:27,039
Speaker 5: Is exactly it's an official document from her then, Yeah,

511
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:32,079
from the assistant, and that's been confirmed that statement. Again,

512
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,559
I was still dancing around the fact that that's not disclosed.

513
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,400
Surely that enough would but this is Einstein's assistant.

514
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:38,839
Speaker 6: How much credit.

515
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:41,799
Speaker 4: She made it up. She was old and she made

516
00:28:41,839 --> 00:28:43,599
it up, but that she didn't gain anything from making

517
00:28:43,599 --> 00:28:48,640
it out. She didn't go on, you couldn't.

518
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,039
Speaker 3: Maybe she was making it up if she did it?

519
00:28:51,119 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 6: Now, did you know that?

520
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 4: Did you know? Just a month before Roswell, both Einstein

521
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:01,359
and Oppenheimer this is legitimate document wrote a document about

522
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,119
how to deal with extraterrestrial life in terms of legal

523
00:29:05,319 --> 00:29:08,799
and societal implications. They right joined because find it. It's

524
00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:11,759
out there. That's just one month before as well.

525
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,799
Speaker 3: Interesting, Yeah, I think it is.

526
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,519
Speaker 5: I just you know, we're talking about disclosure now, and

527
00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:21,200
I just it's something that I feel like, and it

528
00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:23,359
must be the same for many people in this industry,

529
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,880
especially maybe one's with a bit more education than I have,

530
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,319
and perhaps a bit more you know, skinning the game.

531
00:29:29,839 --> 00:29:32,319
But I just cannot, for the life of me, see

532
00:29:32,359 --> 00:29:37,200
how we're still not accepting this is real, unofficial capacity.

533
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,839
As as far as the fact that there is NHI

534
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,559
obviously at play here, you know, it blows my mind.

535
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,440
With the evidence and you know, the witness testimonies and

536
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:52,079
everything everything to cover ups, it just it blows my

537
00:29:52,119 --> 00:29:53,480
mind that was still not disclosed.

538
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,039
Speaker 3: I mean, why in God's name aren't we got this

539
00:29:56,119 --> 00:29:56,559
out yet?

540
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: But like, think about the know amount of years that

541
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,880
we've been told that it's you know, it's all fiction,

542
00:30:04,039 --> 00:30:06,640
it's all Hollywood. Like how many Hollywood movies are there

543
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,359
about aliens? How many you know books are there about

544
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:15,359
aliens over the like, I want to say, hundreds of years.

545
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,920
You know, it's been put into our heads that you

546
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:19,759
know it's fiction.

547
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:20,799
Speaker 4: You know.

548
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: Oh you just by the way movies just much too

549
00:30:24,319 --> 00:30:26,480
much evening, read too many books.

550
00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, do.

551
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,359
Speaker 3: You think it's closure in plain sight? The TV and

552
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:32,119
the movies.

553
00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:36,519
Speaker 4: I mean, there are documents that were released in the

554
00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:39,960
eighties and nineties that showed that the CIA was actively

555
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:44,039
influencing plots of movies. Like you say, especially in the

556
00:30:44,119 --> 00:30:46,880
fifties and sixties, they were saying, you've got to They

557
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,319
were pushing the studios, people were hired by the CIA

558
00:30:50,279 --> 00:30:53,559
in Hollywood. That's that's no fact. So you assume it's

559
00:30:53,599 --> 00:30:57,000
probably still going on to some extent. I mean, you

560
00:30:57,039 --> 00:31:00,079
get called the conspiracy theorists for that, but then they

561
00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:04,480
will released files twenty th yees. Yeah, that'll exactly.

562
00:31:04,359 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 3: That's the thing.

563
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:09,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I mean Leonardo DiCaprio on the World's Economic Forum,

564
00:31:10,039 --> 00:31:13,839
So you know, yeah.

565
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,119
Speaker 4: That's a different conversation. I think.

566
00:31:16,559 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: Oh, but you know, like CIA, Hollywood, you know, it's

567
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:20,400
it's all connected.

568
00:31:20,559 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 3: So you know, if you're going to.

569
00:31:22,599 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 5: Be pushing syops doing it via the Hollywood considering it,

570
00:31:26,519 --> 00:31:29,279
you know, film and TV, it just makes sense, doesn't it.

571
00:31:29,519 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 3: It's obvious.

572
00:31:31,319 --> 00:31:32,559
Speaker 6: Yeah, and.

573
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,359
Speaker 4: Well yeah, is it still going on now? I guess yeah.

574
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,759
Speaker 3: I mean, so you've been working hard Amazon the on

575
00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:44,160
the documentaries. A new one coming up.

576
00:31:44,759 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a Renders from UFO, the British Roswell. It's

577
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,160
having its world premiere in London on June the twenty fourth,

578
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,799
and we're kind of trying to use this event. It's

579
00:31:55,799 --> 00:31:58,359
at the rain Dance Film Festival, which is quite prestigious,

580
00:31:58,359 --> 00:32:02,119
and they picked a UFO film which is brilliant, So

581
00:32:02,359 --> 00:32:05,240
we're trying to use this as a springboard. Really, we're

582
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,680
going to do a little press conference question and answer.

583
00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:12,400
I'll make a formal statement calling on Sakia Starma to

584
00:32:12,519 --> 00:32:15,440
at least the truth about UFOs. But the good thing

585
00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:18,359
is do have I can say this because I do

586
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:23,480
have an inside now to Sir Quia Starmer, it's a

587
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,599
UFO person who came to my last screen in the

588
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,000
King of UFOs in London where we've kind of just

589
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,880
softly lanced the UFO Disclosure Group, and Sakis Stamer had

590
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:38,720
sent someone along, which is cool, and so a message

591
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,079
in him. He's supposed to be arranging a meeting with

592
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,440
someone from the House of Lords. So that's all progressing

593
00:32:45,559 --> 00:32:49,480
nicely and hopefully on Dune the twenty fourth we'll.

594
00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 6: Get some action.

595
00:32:50,119 --> 00:32:52,799
Speaker 4: In the meantime, they're all whistleblowers that are sending his stuff.

596
00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:56,079
Can't talk too much about which is you know, potentially

597
00:32:56,759 --> 00:33:00,119
leading to a really big press conference later in the

598
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:05,480
summer where some massive information will be presented to the

599
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,319
British public and the American public.

600
00:33:08,359 --> 00:33:11,119
Speaker 3: And do you think that's likely going to be about televised?

601
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:13,119
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, a bit.

602
00:33:13,119 --> 00:33:17,759
Speaker 6: All the pressle would be invited, okay, and you know, and.

603
00:33:17,839 --> 00:33:20,079
Speaker 3: Is that an official sort of announcement.

604
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,279
Speaker 4: I'm not officially announcing now, but it will be. Yeah,

605
00:33:23,079 --> 00:33:27,440
it will be, and there'll be some big players involved.

606
00:33:27,759 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 5: And what day is that? Can we say you just

607
00:33:29,759 --> 00:33:32,039
stick that one in the diary? Is that nice?

608
00:33:32,799 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's going to be late summer.

609
00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 5: Okay, Well, we'll make sure we keep our eye out

610
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:38,240
for that and we'll make sure we.

611
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 4: Go Yeah, we will. Once we've planned it all out,

612
00:33:41,559 --> 00:33:47,119
we'll go public and do a proper announcement. So because

613
00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:51,200
there's a great bunch of UFO investigators in the UK

614
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,640
coming from grassroots level, from social media like TikTok and

615
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,200
doing great work and you know, we're getting hundreds of

616
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:03,519
people each week. Thing is you know, information, videos, evidence,

617
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,759
So it's coming from you know, grassroots up really, which

618
00:34:07,799 --> 00:34:11,440
which is great. And because you know, social media can

619
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,880
be a double edged sword, you know, but this is

620
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,840
one of the positive aspects that ordinary people can you know,

621
00:34:18,519 --> 00:34:23,400
record their experience center and get some validation for it.

622
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.

623
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 5: And what I will ask you as well, that you've

624
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,480
been in this thirty years now, in this game, do

625
00:34:29,559 --> 00:34:32,960
you think do you feel that it's it's definitely heating

626
00:34:33,039 --> 00:34:35,760
up this topic in recent years to a point where

627
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:36,719
it's never been before.

628
00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:39,079
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, massively, Yeah, absolutely, massively.

629
00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 5: It's never been like this before, never, And do you

630
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,159
think and how close do you think we are too?

631
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,639
I suppose let's say a disclosure, whether that be a

632
00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:49,000
catastrophic disclosure.

633
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 3: You could obviously talk.

634
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 5: About what that means and what format comes in if

635
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,559
you wanted to versus a controlled disclosure.

636
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:01,199
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean we talked about this disclosure coming.

637
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:05,079
Speaker 4: I guess we expect the government, the Prime Minister, President

638
00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:07,320
Trump to make a formal announcement saying we are not

639
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,679
alone and these are them. I don't think that will

640
00:35:10,679 --> 00:35:15,480
happen catastrophic. I think Trump would love it. THO wouldn't

641
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,800
he even so we are the greatest planet that these

642
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:25,039
are our greatest Yeah, we are the best relationships.

643
00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 3: You Yeah, this would never have happened I found him

644
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:30,239
in President.

645
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,519
Speaker 1: Well or he's just gonna like he's going to claim it,

646
00:35:35,679 --> 00:35:37,280
you know, he's going to take the credit.

647
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 3: For it, like you know, like.

648
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: These are the best aliens there are.

649
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 4: But the trouble is he has to do something because

650
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:52,400
he courted the UFO vote in the US and kind

651
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,000
of anti establishment a little bit, you know, somewhat piggyback

652
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,599
in r f K politically, and then he hasn't really Okay,

653
00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:03,039
it's really the JFK file some of them, and the

654
00:36:03,079 --> 00:36:05,440
Bobby Kennzy and MLK files.

655
00:36:05,559 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 6: But then the UFO reps starting are still to come, I.

656
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,679
Speaker 3: Guess, And do you think they will come.

657
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, you can obviously understand why maybe

658
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,199
they've taken a lot longer than the JFK. There's more

659
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,039
than one case to deal with. I can imagine the

660
00:36:20,039 --> 00:36:23,199
paper trail for both of these. Epstein and the UFO

661
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:23,920
is are massive.

662
00:36:24,679 --> 00:36:25,519
Speaker 4: I don't think either.

663
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 3: You don't think we'll see the light of day on either.

664
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 4: No, I mean you were talking about catastrophic disclosure. I

665
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,719
always get confused about what that means. Can you explain it.

666
00:36:38,159 --> 00:36:40,679
Speaker 5: In the way I would perceive a catastrophic disclosure is

667
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:45,000
if NHI were the ones that made the move, you know,

668
00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:48,880
without a controlled or any sort of information coming from

669
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,360
official terminology. We're just looking upwards and seeing something happening.

670
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:57,559
It's something that becomes so obvious that the other only one.

671
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,320
Speaker 3: You know, there's only one source of re in in me.

672
00:37:01,519 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good point that would put people onto panic.

673
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 5: I guess so war of the World's Yeah, exactly. You know,

674
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,880
there's a lot of people do speculate of what form

675
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,519
because there you know, there's quite a few ways. I

676
00:37:14,519 --> 00:37:16,920
suppose if you really wanted to play around with the idea,

677
00:37:17,039 --> 00:37:19,519
and no doubt you could make it as fan you

678
00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:22,920
as fantastically as you like the catastrophic disclosure.

679
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 3: Does it come in the shape of an army? You know, potentially?

680
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,519
Speaker 5: I always say, in more of these booger spheres, What

681
00:37:29,559 --> 00:37:30,800
do you what do you think?

682
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:31,639
Speaker 3: I mean, how do you?

683
00:37:31,679 --> 00:37:33,639
Speaker 5: I mean you must have played with the idea of

684
00:37:33,679 --> 00:37:36,880
how and what disclosure comes in in what form unless

685
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,639
you obviously know something that we don't. What are your

686
00:37:40,679 --> 00:37:43,599
own personal feelings on how it comes in the end?

687
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I seriously don't know. I mean I

688
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:53,519
perceived it would come through kind of official channels, I guess,

689
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,079
But then then we've got the belief facts, haven't we

690
00:37:57,199 --> 00:38:03,239
probably believed them anyway, I'm hoping that it comes from

691
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,960
the grass roots, when the people are out there investigating.

692
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,480
That's that's that's my hope is that we'll have enough evidence.

693
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,719
We'll just do our own press conference or whatever it

694
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:19,280
gets press coverage, and that then forces the governments, the

695
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,679
political leaders to take action. I mean, it happens all

696
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,280
the time, doesn't it With politicians. They'll ignore something because

697
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:30,599
it's inconvenient and they don't want to upset anyone. Yeah,

698
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,360
so they will ignore that issue. But then something will happen.

699
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,280
Say that you can't ignore it anymore.

700
00:38:36,599 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 3: And you know, I'll flip it around and ask you

701
00:38:38,519 --> 00:38:39,039
the opposite.

702
00:38:39,039 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, if we're talking about an NHI

703
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:47,159
species are various as claim tends to be, why do

704
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,960
you think that they're not just presented themselves to us

705
00:38:50,199 --> 00:38:52,880
as is already, you know, rather than you start the

706
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,159
cloak and dagger techniques that we're seeing.

707
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good question.

708
00:38:59,199 --> 00:39:02,119
Speaker 1: Sorry, stand that who says they haven't?

709
00:39:02,519 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 4: You know?

710
00:39:03,119 --> 00:39:05,039
Speaker 5: You know, but what all we're talking about is second

711
00:39:05,079 --> 00:39:08,800
had our first and witnesses, and we're not talking about

712
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,280
something public or something that's recorded, for instance, Like for me,

713
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,119
I'm sure that my sort of instinct would be to

714
00:39:15,159 --> 00:39:17,960
record the situation or at least get a selfie with something.

715
00:39:17,679 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 3: If it was to show itself.

716
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 5: And you have communicate with me in some ways, you

717
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,880
know what I mean, One of the questions I would

718
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,719
probably ask is why wouldn't you show yourself to bigger crowds?

719
00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:30,519
You know, that's sort of what I'm what I'm thinking.

720
00:39:31,599 --> 00:39:34,119
Speaker 4: I guess the answer that people say is that the

721
00:39:34,199 --> 00:39:35,920
human race is not ready.

722
00:39:35,519 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 5: So well, that's an easy answer I suppose, and I

723
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,559
could probably why.

724
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,039
Speaker 4: That's what they'll say, because you're not ready to need

725
00:39:44,119 --> 00:39:46,719
to get to a higher level. If people like Dr

726
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,400
Greer and he'll say that we need to raise our

727
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,360
consciousness or vibration, we're just you're still in the kind

728
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:58,320
of mentality of dog eat dog, don't we That's where

729
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,599
the other species of the galaxies are.

730
00:40:02,599 --> 00:40:05,119
Speaker 1: And also, you know, look at what we do to

731
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,960
you know, things, and with technologies that we don't recognize.

732
00:40:10,039 --> 00:40:13,960
We either tend to destroy it like outright, you know,

733
00:40:14,039 --> 00:40:15,760
the fear of the unknown, you know, kill it before

734
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,039
it kills us, you know, even if we have no

735
00:40:19,159 --> 00:40:23,400
idea that you know that it's you know, intention, or

736
00:40:24,199 --> 00:40:27,239
we try to weaponize it and make money of it.

737
00:40:28,039 --> 00:40:31,760
So if I were, you know, an alien species of

738
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,840
any kind, then I you know, look at that as

739
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,280
you know, the main example of humanity. I'd be like,

740
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,480
you know what, maybe I'll stay hidden for a little longer,

741
00:40:40,639 --> 00:40:42,559
leaves some breath crumbs here and there, see, you know,

742
00:40:42,599 --> 00:40:43,599
see how they react.

743
00:40:43,679 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 4: But yeah, that's a good point. I mean, it's interesting

744
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,360
what Dr Greer, Stephen Greer says about it all because

745
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:54,079
he sees bestally all aliens ets as mostly good and

746
00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:57,679
here to help us, and all this kind of romantic

747
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,639
version of it, and that all the bad stuff is

748
00:40:59,639 --> 00:41:02,039
all the menitary and the military want to stop, that

749
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,320
they're doing false flag stuff and all this. I'm not

750
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,480
saying he's right, it's just interesting what he's saying. M hmm.

751
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 6: There's different upologies and there.

752
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 4: And then you've got people like George Knapp, Jerey mccorbell,

753
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,800
who are both respect I have to say they're on

754
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,760
the different side of it, kind of that there could

755
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,719
be a threat there, so we need to be a

756
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:23,440
little bit wary.

757
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:25,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, what do you think of that? I mean, there's

758
00:41:25,679 --> 00:41:27,960
been a few claims recently. I mean I've seen it

759
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,880
from both sides. Whilst I've been sort of learning about

760
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,840
the topic over the last few years. I've seen some

761
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,840
of the doctor Greer camp, and then I've seen sort

762
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,840
of the you know, the Louis Alexander camp, and so

763
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,079
there have been sort of developments, I suppose, if you

764
00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:46,480
want to call them that recently, as far as claims

765
00:41:46,519 --> 00:41:50,880
of disinformation agents and people working, you know, Richard Doughty's

766
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:51,719
name were brought up.

767
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was on that interview with Richard Doty when

768
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,199
he said that Lewis Alessandro tried to hire him to

769
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,159
spread disinformation in Space Force. I heard it.

770
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 5: It came from him, and that came straight from the

771
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:06,119
horse's mouth.

772
00:42:07,079 --> 00:42:08,519
Speaker 6: I mean, I've got nothing, no grudge Agat.

773
00:42:09,199 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 4: I know that his past and all that and what

774
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,960
he used to do. We didn't make it up.

775
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, well you were there.

776
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 5: I mean we're do to the podcast now you can

777
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,800
tell when somebody says something or not. But I will

778
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,199
ask you, you know, just for for the sake of

779
00:42:25,199 --> 00:42:29,000
the audience looking in, if you could just describe Richard Doughty.

780
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 3: I mean, who is he?

781
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 4: What is he?

782
00:42:30,119 --> 00:42:31,119
Speaker 3: What is he famous for?

783
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:37,559
Speaker 5: Just for US Air Force used to spread.

784
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 4: From one who had disinformation campaigns in the UFO community.

785
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,679
He targeted. There's a guy called William Moore. It was

786
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,039
quite a famous you followed this wrote famous book on

787
00:42:49,079 --> 00:42:54,039
the triangle, amongst other things. So he was using him

788
00:42:54,039 --> 00:42:56,280
to some extent. And then there was a chap called

789
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:01,440
Paul Benefits, who is basically meet me and you were

790
00:43:01,639 --> 00:43:05,760
looking into UFOs and he was led down a rabbit

791
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:10,880
hole of false information that Richard Do'ty was deliberately feeding

792
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,719
him to put it out to take away the fact

793
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,159
that they were testing secret technology and this guy ended

794
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,400
up killing himself. Basically he wasn't well. He had mental

795
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:24,239
health issues anyway. So it's quite a serious thing, and

796
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,320
I think Richard does he regret it. He was doing

797
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:28,920
his job, he was serving his country.

798
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 6: You know, he had admission to do. That's what he did.

799
00:43:33,039 --> 00:43:35,039
Speaker 4: So you have to realize that's where he comes from,

800
00:43:35,079 --> 00:43:38,119
that that's what his job was. I find it quite odd.

801
00:43:38,159 --> 00:43:42,280
I have to say that he's okay, maybe he's reformed

802
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,440
and he feels bad about what he now works for Gaya,

803
00:43:45,559 --> 00:43:48,239
which is quite a kind of holistic platform that deals

804
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:52,760
with meditation and King of the UFOs is on is

805
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,159
On Guyas I'm not criticizing Geya. I find it strange

806
00:43:56,199 --> 00:43:58,719
that he's absolutely employed by them.

807
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,079
Speaker 5: It's interesting considering the fact that his job was to

808
00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:05,400
spread this information. It doesn't really lend itself to that

809
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,039
particular topic, does it very well?

810
00:44:07,039 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 3: If you're already a skeptic.

811
00:44:09,199 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: No, I am known with the I'm like known and

812
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,480
aware of the the Guy platform and the people that

813
00:44:16,519 --> 00:44:20,480
are that are on there, and on the surface, it's

814
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:25,119
it's decent, but it's I mean, it's a lot of

815
00:44:25,159 --> 00:44:29,079
you know, speculation. It's a lot of sensation. It's about

816
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:33,199
making money really, you know, selling a product, selling, you know,

817
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:38,239
selling a book, podcast, podcasting tours like the the you

818
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,000
know the Red Line in you know, all those stories

819
00:44:41,039 --> 00:44:44,599
and interviews that they do. Now it's it's decent, but

820
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:49,199
still you know it's it's very service level and you know,

821
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,800
really a means to make money, like it's the it's

822
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,119
the what is it like that? The same kind of

823
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:00,280
you know, History Channel, Ancient Aliens kind of crowd. It's

824
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,480
very sensational, a lot of a lot of loff you.

825
00:45:03,559 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 5: Say that, right, I mean this is a different topic

826
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,880
and probably a different podcast episode than itself, but those

827
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,599
so when some of the big tepe thing, I mean

828
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,119
that came true, right, I mean that's been confirmed.

829
00:45:14,119 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 3: That's pretty old.

830
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:20,679
Speaker 1: That's why I say little substance, not no substance at all.

831
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,960
Like you know, there is there, there is, there is

832
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,960
good stuff. Absolutely sorry, you know what's interesting?

833
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,559
Speaker 4: You know talk about the Burger spheres. I think they're fake.

834
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,119
My gut reaction is there is some sort of really

835
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:38,280
really good, very clever maybe c I a hoax. Georgolos

836
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,960
from Aliens. He went on the record straight away saying

837
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,440
ha ha, this is all this is all rubbish, This

838
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,159
is all fake. This is the man from Aliens. If

839
00:45:46,199 --> 00:45:49,559
he thinks is a fake, you know, I love. But

840
00:45:49,639 --> 00:45:52,679
if he thinks, let's straight out there and hammy Hammy

841
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,960
Masson's involved, which is always a bit of a red flag.

842
00:45:55,599 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 3: Well yeah, he's been known with hoax before in the past, doesn't.

843
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 4: It It has Yeah.

844
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 3: That's a little bit of a red flag. Like you say,

845
00:46:03,159 --> 00:46:03,840
what do you make of that?

846
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 5: With the other ones though, I mean it's not just

847
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,960
obviously we've got the booger sphere in Columbia, but then

848
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,920
there's the one in Belfast, and there's a one in

849
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:12,639
Manchester Airport.

850
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I've we're dealing with some sort of unknown

851
00:46:15,559 --> 00:46:20,280
technology that because I did an interview last week, I

852
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,840
think we're one of the newspapers about crop circles again,

853
00:46:24,559 --> 00:46:27,320
and especially in the UK, you are seem to be

854
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:32,360
formed in mostly in Wiltshire, Salisbury area, Salisbury playing big

855
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:36,000
mod area. So I was thinking, and I've got a

856
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:40,880
couple of videos where you see orbs. Often there's one

857
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,400
you know, the orbs are then and then the crop

858
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,239
circles formed. I'm not saying that all crop circles are.

859
00:46:46,199 --> 00:46:48,199
Speaker 6: Formed like that, A lot of them hoaxes. We all

860
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:48,639
know that.

861
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,679
Speaker 4: But so there's definitely these orbs, these booga spheres you

862
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,840
can call them. There's the same sort of thing that's

863
00:46:55,079 --> 00:46:58,920
seen creating crop circles on nearby afterwards. So are we

864
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,760
dealing with some sort of secret tech that's been tested?

865
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,280
You know, we're in the soulsby playing near the mod

866
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,719
or is it something far weirder? Is it? I don't know.

867
00:47:09,199 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 5: Well, the thing is just on that topic because I

868
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,679
wanted to. I really didn't want to forget about this

869
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:17,000
before we jumped off, just because I'm interested.

870
00:47:17,039 --> 00:47:18,639
Speaker 3: I've been in the military twenty years.

871
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,039
Speaker 5: I was based I'm in the Royal Courts of Signals Communications.

872
00:47:22,559 --> 00:47:27,000
I was based down there myselfs in Wiltshire, near Bath

873
00:47:27,079 --> 00:47:29,199
to Learn, so literally right next door.

874
00:47:29,079 --> 00:47:31,599
Speaker 3: To Caution And when I was there.

875
00:47:31,639 --> 00:47:34,199
Speaker 5: When I was there, it was rumored and you know,

876
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,639
the guys knew it, the soldiers, we all talked about it,

877
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,360
about the underground cities and the train tracks that lead

878
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,440
from London to Bristol to Bath to up and down

879
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,679
the country, and you know it was used, wasn't it

880
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,880
for Navy weapons during the war, and what else have

881
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,719
they been using it for since, especially in underground cities.

882
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,159
That's a bit I don't know whether I don't know,

883
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,320
but this was a rumor amongst everybody in the military

884
00:47:58,519 --> 00:48:01,760
around in the signals around in that area anyway, and

885
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:05,199
again more than one one or two people knew about it.

886
00:48:06,519 --> 00:48:09,039
And another thing I find interesting and I sort of connected,

887
00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:10,719
you know, when you when you fall down this road

888
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,760
or you start connecting dots. What I find interesting is

889
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,440
an m O D based near Bristol, and it just

890
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,559
so happens that Boeing are also co located. An aerospace

891
00:48:20,639 --> 00:48:23,519
company that I suppose doctor Greer would be interested in,

892
00:48:24,039 --> 00:48:27,719
happens to be located near Bristol on an m D

893
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:33,039
base a stone throwaway from these underground railroads and interconnecting

894
00:48:33,119 --> 00:48:33,880
city links.

895
00:48:35,199 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 3: It's a bit peculiar, isn't it.

896
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,559
Speaker 5: And then you obviously hear about the story with Rudlow

897
00:48:38,599 --> 00:48:41,039
manor as well, with them two ladies that got stopped

898
00:48:41,079 --> 00:48:45,280
and questioned by many in black. You know it's one

899
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:45,920
of them, isn't it.

900
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,679
Speaker 4: That's the fast I'm glad you mentioned that because I've

901
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,639
just been rereading Timothy good Check it out top secret.

902
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,519
It's an old book U book. There's still a lot

903
00:48:55,559 --> 00:48:58,480
of information that we don't kind of know now that's

904
00:48:58,519 --> 00:49:02,320
not online, that's in book. He was talking about back

905
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,519
in the eighties about rudload manor Caution Computer Center, that

906
00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:09,920
whole area, talking about about there being UFOs underground. Tim

907
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,639
fit Good was quite a well respected UFO researcher. He

908
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,960
was a classical violinist, played in the national role for

909
00:49:16,199 --> 00:49:19,480
Philharmonic Orchestra. Very very kind of posh, upper class guy.

910
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,960
But you know, he spoke to people that said, you know, yeah,

911
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:27,599
there were UFOs, you know, broadload manor underground. It's complex,

912
00:49:29,519 --> 00:49:33,719
it is interesting. And following on for that, not far

913
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,079
from me in Hertfordshire, there's a home I don't know

914
00:49:37,079 --> 00:49:39,440
if you tik top videos, there's a home office facility,

915
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,239
but I jokingly say is area fifty one. It's not

916
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,679
Area fifty one, but it's got really high security shifts

917
00:49:45,679 --> 00:49:49,159
see in the video, so you'll see officially it's closed,

918
00:49:49,199 --> 00:49:52,280
you do freedom of information request, but I live nearby.

919
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,719
It's not closed. There's a tannel in nicements every night.

920
00:49:55,199 --> 00:50:00,199
I've even heard weird sounds out there, cryptid sounds. My

921
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:04,400
kids sell it sounded like a cow sized dog. Ah.

922
00:50:04,519 --> 00:50:07,880
I'm getting out there and testing drones and things like that,

923
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,119
which I've caught on camera, right, And most of that

924
00:50:10,199 --> 00:50:13,920
place there is underground. There's an outdoors bit, but underground

925
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:18,000
feels around it. There's a complex and the locals spoke

926
00:50:18,079 --> 00:50:21,119
to some of the tradesmen have been down their service

927
00:50:21,159 --> 00:50:24,320
and stuff. So it definitely exists, but it's kept secret

928
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,679
and not talked about. And don't forget Bletchley Park in

929
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,360
the Second World War, nobody knew it was there. That's

930
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:34,280
what one Second World World Enigma machine and the codes

931
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:35,920
and all that. It's done there. No one there's like

932
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,079
ten thousand people working there in secret. No one knew that. No,

933
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,800
it was there. So it can be done m hm.

934
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,559
Speaker 5: And you know going forward then, I mean we'll start

935
00:50:46,559 --> 00:50:48,639
wrapping it up now. I want to finish with some

936
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:52,880
quick fire questions if I can, just for funnies. I've

937
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,079
got some just yes, our nose one, but we'll just

938
00:50:56,119 --> 00:50:58,840
fire for a few, just for the funnies. Like I said,

939
00:50:59,079 --> 00:51:00,800
so if you don't mind and dulge, you may which

940
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:02,239
is some yes or no questions?

941
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 4: Right?

942
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Speaker 5: So, Mark, have you ever seen a UFO with your

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own eyes. Yes, do you tell you what we're just doing?

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Do you believe aliens are already living among us?

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's yes.

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Speaker 3: It's the British government hiding evidence of aliens contact. Yes, yes, yes,

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that's a dead sir, that one.

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Speaker 5: Have you ever felt like you were being watched by

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something non human?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 5: And this is an interesting one. Is C five a

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reliable way to make contact?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 6: I say that.

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Speaker 4: The scientist part of meh dismisses it, but I've done

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it myself and.

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Speaker 5: That's what made me think that's an interesting one from

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a science based man.

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Speaker 3: How would you answer that one.

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Speaker 4: It's a film I did called UFN Councters of the

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Fifth Kind not very original title. It's on Prime, but

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we did. That was the premise of the film. Speke

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to Ray Dove, who used to know Dr Greer and

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got all these concepts and we've got a group of

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people we've meditated. I wasn't expected seeing this and we did.

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We turned the camera off, okay, and something came up.

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Luckily We've got the camera back on.

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Speaker 3: To capture some of it.

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Speaker 4: Then I was like, it's got to be a satellite,

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So yeah, it does work all right? Good?

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Speaker 3: Well and bloody does that?

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Speaker 5: It's not something I've done and you know again that's

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another topic. I wanted to do an episode on it

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and maybe it's something we'll look into. Right, we'll finish

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off for the last three. Do aliens monitor our nuclear weapons?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 5: Will the UK disclose UFO secrets in our lifetime?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 5: If given the chance, would you bord a UFO craft?

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No questions asked, No, no, and that easually a lot.

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That's the ten quick fire questions. Thanks for that, Mark,

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Thank you.

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Speaker 6: I really enjoyed that.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 5: You know, there's a lot coming up, a hell of

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a lot in the pipeline across the pond absolute end,

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and as well as here in UK shows as well.

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Just for you for the doctor for the premiere Mark,

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if you just give us the date on that again.

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Speaker 4: Yes, due the twenty fourth in London rain Dance Film Festival.

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It's called the rendolpshrom UFO. The British was well, thank

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you lovely.

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Speaker 5: And what we might get you, well, if we can,

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we could probably get you on again again at some

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point in the future, just if things develop. I think

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it's good and more people we talk about and obviously,

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you with a man with an ear so close to

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the ground, it just makes sense if you're available.

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Speaker 3: And want to come on and discuss it. Greatly appreciated.

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Speaker 5: Thanks a lot about Mark Stein over to you. Maybe

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you got any questions that you want to end with

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take a picture.

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Speaker 4: No, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't really have any questions. I thought this was

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this was very very interesting, very very enlightening. You know,

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I'm glad I could. I'm glad I could be here.

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Glad I said I was.

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Speaker 6: I was going to come on.

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Speaker 1: It's been a while since we've done one with well

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at least you know, the majority of the squad.

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Speaker 3: Next time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's he's going to have some he's

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going to have some burning questions for sure.

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Speaker 3: Drain you for information.

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Speaker 4: Mark.

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Speaker 5: Unfortunately I couldn't make it, but he didn't send me

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a list of what he wanted to know, so screwing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that's.

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Speaker 6: That's happy doing it again.

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Speaker 4: That's fine.

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Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, absolutely, and it doesn't have to be

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you know, miles away in the future. Absolutely, like I said,

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and they really wanted to be honest to the fact

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that he's not.

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Speaker 4: I could talk about paranormal stuff because my personal belief

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now is I think the UFO is the paranormal linked

1028
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dealing with the same phenomena.

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Speaker 5: I kind of tend to sort of lean towards that

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as well. Now I think.

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Speaker 1: It's ridiculous.

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00:54:59,280 --> 00:54:59,559
Speaker 4: It is.

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00:54:59,639 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, I thought about this.

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Speaker 3: I fact I could.

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Speaker 5: You know, I didn't see myself landing on the on

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the on the spiritual side of things.

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Speaker 3: I really didn't.

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Speaker 6: That is not me.

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Speaker 5: And I'm starting to start of lean towards this consciousness

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thing and I think, you know, oh God, what's going on?

1041
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But it's it's just when you connected enough dots, it

1042
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all starts to make sense. But anyway, thank you again.

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Make will definitely get you on again in the future.

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Cheers for pulling the strings as usual, mate and all

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of you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for for tuning.

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Speaker 5: And I'm going to watch Mark's links will be in

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the comments below if you want to catch up with

1049
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Mark and see what he's up to and follow his

1050
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ticked up But thank you anyway, Cheers Mark, cheers by.

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Speaker 1: And you know for across the pond list. You know,

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Speaker 3: Thanks guys, I will get this YouTube thing one day

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mate us.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's that's what that's why I'm here.

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You know, that's why I'm here. And if you have

1060
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any questions, comments, or you know, we need further explanation,

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This is how we do it. Thank you Mark, Thank

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you Lee. We'll see you all.

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Speaker 4: Talk to you all next.

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Speaker 1: Timetttttttts the PRISTI at f F f F and at

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