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Speaker 5: Thank you for the intro on tonight's episode, We've actually
got a very special guest with us. We've got maybe
one of the lead, if not the leading figure in
the push for UK disclosure in the flesh this evening,
and we're going to just peel back a few of
the layers of the topic. It's a massive topic, and
these layers go deep and they go on forever, seemingly,
so we won't be able to peel them all back tonight,
but maybe just jumping into, you know, in more recent
times and then what this sort of the future looks
like this for this topic. So thank you very much
for joining us this evening.
Speaker 4: Mark. Yeah, thanks guys for having me on. I look
forward to chatting to you.
Speaker 3: Fire, awaiting times, exciting times.
Speaker 5: In the UAP community, well it all got kind of
reignited in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 3: Is that a fair assessment?
Speaker 4: I think so? Yeah, mostly from the US side. I
guess what we're kind of trying to do now is
to kick started in the UK where we seem to
be lagging behind the Americans and many forms of life.
And UAP's UFO disclosure is it's one of those things
and it's you know, UFOs UFA is don just happened
in America. You know, they happen all over the world.
Take it back from America, but you know, and push
for some form of transparency or disclosure in the UK
because during my thirty years now investigating, there's definitely covers up,
cover ups, and you know, we've got whistleblowers wanting to
come forward, r EF pilots wanting to give evidence. You know,
there's a whole thing. They're ready to go. But because
of this stigma still attached in the UK and the
fear of ridicule that people are reluctant to come forward
and go public. That's the issue we've got over here.
Speaker 5: And that seems to be an issue that echoes around
the world, doesn't it. There always seems to be some
kind of suppression in place. I mean, it's interesting looking
outwards from the UK because we sort of get a
lot of the press room America, don't We see a
lot of the UAP sort of topic that we are
involved with and were keeping up with is more predominantly
US based.
Speaker 3: Do you Why do you think that is? I mean,
there's a lot of cases that we do.
Speaker 5: Know of around the world, But is it just that
there's other countries that you seem maybe to think that
this is as a hawk's topic or why do you
think it just seems to be the US there's leading this.
Speaker 4: I guess we hear it from the US, being you know,
probably still our closest ally and we speak the same language,
which helps.
Speaker 6: I mean, in France there's a lot of.
Speaker 4: They take UFOs very seriously, but we don't hear about
it because we don't speak French and we don't follow
the French media so much, and you know, but yeah,
I guess historically it's all been centered around the US
military industrial complex, you know, from Groom Lake Area fifty one,
the development of the atom bomb, it's all been centered there,
and it's all kind of been the center of the world,
I guess to some extent, and maybe still is. So
I think that's why, especially culturally, and we've had the CIA,
you know, do their various misinformation disinformation campaigns all over
the world, but you know, coming from from America.
Speaker 6: So I think that's why.
Speaker 4: And I think if there is some sort of worldwide
cover up about the existence of extraterrestrial life, the Five
Eyes Agreement and all this m J twelve, maybe it
is controlled by the US.
Speaker 6: Are they're the main you know, partners in it?
Speaker 4: I think yeah.
Speaker 5: And there's a lot of sort of conflicting theories, aren't
there out there in the ether of why this is
being suppressed? And of course who is suppressing Obviously this
is a deep state thing, but just how deep is it?
You know this dearies on it being the aerospace engineers
and you know, the tycoons, the energy tycoons that are
controlling this entire thing, keeping the suppression there, not from
a national security standpoint, but for more profitable reasons. Essentially,
the free energy capacity that could come for it could
cause a lot of issues within their sectors. So there's
you know, there are theories all that. Well, I mean,
what's your standpoint on that? I know it's a it's
very avan to jump straight to that.
Speaker 4: Years of investigating. There's no one size fits all answer
to the enigma. There's many answers and all of them
are correct.
Speaker 3: Pieces, bits and pieces of everything could make.
Speaker 4: Us reality to be looking at. It's too complex for
just one one answer. I think you're right with the
the private American industrial contractors, they'll have it sequestered away,
hidden from freedom of information. Requests in the black budget,
which we know is massive in America, so that would
be going on definitely. Whether they've got reverse engineered UFOs
quite possibly, but they've definitely got advanced technology which is
way ahead of what we think they have. Whether that
accounts for all of the UFO science so doubt it
account for some of them. And it is complex because
you know, I guess you guys read the Wall Street
Journal articles on you know, they're basically saying that all
UFOs are basically disinformation campaign deliberately by the Pentagon to
put people off the scent of you know, new weapons,
new technology. I think there is some of that, definitely,
it's always been going on.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think that's that's not specific to just
UAPs though, isn't it the nature of the beast when
it comes to warfare and bombs and bullets, and.
Speaker 4: They're going to be doing it. So it's pretty really
it's like you want to get the holy grail and
you want to get the answer, the one definitive bit
of proof.
Speaker 6: It all seems one grasp away.
Speaker 5: Well, seemingly, the biggest people are the people making I
suppose the biggest leaps in this I suppose with the
biggest spotlight on them would be I suppose you could
consider the SkyWatch team the Skywatcher team. I mean, have
you been keeping tabs on that? What do you think
of that entire city?
Speaker 4: I have been seeing what they've been doing. And to
take that seriously you have to kind of put your
logical mind aside and think there's something to the mind
entering into it and being able to manifest through CE
five whatever you want to call it or c UFOs.
That's a big step and they are making great progress.
But would, for instance, if we brought that mainstream in
the UK, do you think the public would go for it?
Speaker 5: I think if it's been proven, I mean looking at it,
looking at the history, it tends to be the US
goes first, and then sort of well of suit sometime
after them, don't they? And so I think the UK obviously,
I mean from just from where I'm sitting, I can
see that there's more people taking an interest in the topic.
I'm sure I don't think it's seen as this crazy
tinfoil hat subject anymore. I think that's just quite easy
to do that now with the congressional hearings, and there's
just far too many people in suits with qualifications talking
about this for it to be a tinfoil hat topic.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and that's what I'm trying to use over here.
So well, you know, look at the Americans. These people
have testified decorated pilots, testified on growth in Congress. You know,
these are not crazy people. These are not tinfoil hat people.
I mean, that's part of the reason why I've made
my last him, The King of the UFOs, which is
about the British poor family. They took it really seriously,
lots of evidence that they, yeah, UFOs, we want to
know about them. I mean, when we're about crop circles,
this is weird and it's something real.
Speaker 3: You see, there's rumors attached.
Speaker 5: I mean, just touching on you and the King of
UFOs documentary, there are rumors are there were rumors King
Charles was involved in some kind of prototype flight in
the seventies in Canada. And yet what do you think
of the the I mean, he says it old in
your documentary. So if you haven't seen it already and
you are interested in the topic, please do God see
that the King of Ufo is on Prime, isn't it
that one I'm sure it is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, that's that's an interesting story because I
already had the kind of backbone of the film, which
was Matt Batten's interest, and then Prince Philip flying source review,
He's encountered nearly with an alien called Janis, and all
these great fascinating tidbits. And then I got an email
from this guy called Dan Costello from Canada, and he
presented me with loads and loads of evidence and about
Prince Charles at the time spending time in this place
in Nova Scotia, Sanday Point, and basically there was basically
old munition factories, it was underwater case songs and all
these things, and there were testing new technology there, possibly
linked to Tesla and some of his works, and it
was kind of state of the art. And Dan's story
seemed fantastical at first, that there was this prototype felt
like an alphrod car, but it had some sort of
it had dual road blades like a helicopter, but then
it had a blue ionic flame being emitted in some
electro magnetic effects which stood it out. So it just
the roads would just stop it or we're just hang
there in the air. So it was it was interesting
and so you know, but finding obviously I didn't have
a photo any video of it. It was just Dan's
testimony at first, and I thought it was interesting, I'll
put it in the film. But since I put it
in the film, had been contacted by various people who've
you know, if auched Fort Dan and they said, yeah,
we saw that too. We had this incident in such
a Sandy Point incident and all their soil was turned
to glass by this electromagnetic blue ionic flame. So it
turns out that I've made the people think, oh, it's
a bit crazy, but no, there was something to it.
There was and Charles was stationed on an aircraft carrier
nearby at the time, so it was feasible.
Speaker 5: And since releasing the documentary, have you had any sort
of well, have you had any contact from the royal
family regarding it?
Speaker 4: No? Interesting, I'm still still hoping. I've sent a couple
of and I sent one recently about disclosure and maybe
meeting for that, but I haven't heard anything, though I
do caveate that with the executive producer, John Hanson, who's
an ex CID police officer. He runs this archive in
Stratford upon Avon. Everyone should visit Basically he was the
one that was let writing less to Prince Philip the
Queen getting them back saying yeah, we've added your book
to our UFO collection, things like that. But he's been
communicating with Charles recently. He won't die told exactly what
he's definitely Charles has definitely got an interest.
Speaker 5: And that's that's confirmed that there has been back and
forth between the two.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, okay, well that's interesting. Yeah, that is interesting.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean obviously it's it's now head of state
and it's it's got to be kind of politically careful.
Speaker 5: So it would be interesting to see if he's passed
this on to somebody. Yeah, there's no reason why he wouldn't. I,
like you said, he's the head of state.
Speaker 3: Now, maybe it's a bit we have had.
Speaker 7: We have had a word from various better be careful
what I say here, various leading UFO researchers in the US,
several of.
Speaker 4: Them who have been briefing the British government and the
King uh on disclosure on the UFOs. That's definitely. I
can't name names. I will do when I can. Ah.
Speaker 6: So it is getting to the highest level.
Speaker 3: And well I know you can't name names? Can you
name departments?
Speaker 5: Are these three letter agencies within the US government or
are we talking outside entities that just happened to be
in the know?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're talking about We're talking about leading UFO researchers
in the US.
Speaker 5: Okay, are not connected to any intelligence agencies at all?
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, Okay, that's still fascinating that they would.
Speaker 5: You know, you know what I find well, no, I'll
even more find its fascinating is that it's it's the
leading UFO researchers that are the ones trying to get
involved with the UK government and speak to officials. Why
isn't it departments like Arrow and you know and OSARP
and you know, even the FBI is new, say new,
they've been apparently they've been investigating it for years as well.
Why is there no sort of you know, intelligence sharing
as it were, considering the fact that we've been allies
for a number of years, They've got hig you know,
our security bases here and vice versa.
Speaker 4: So wouldn't you I mean, there has to be Maybe
it is. We just don't know. I mean, because my
latest film about the Rendussan UFO case in nineteen eighty
that was a joint US UK air base and there
was a joint cover up by both the UK and
US military.
Speaker 6: That's that's definite.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I just speaking of Gary Heselton about that the other week.
Actually I went and met him in Pontefract. He was
promoting his new books, so I went across to speak
to him, and obviously he's added a lot more meat
to the bones from his initial investigation.
Speaker 3: And I tell you so, I took my dad with me,
actually right, well, his stepdad.
Speaker 5: I took him with Mayors because just for an interest piece,
just because we had not to do so we came
along with and we went and he sat there and
he listened to him. The thing that really resonated between,
you know, from my dad was the fact that that
Gary is not a couke.
Speaker 3: There's clearly not a couke.
Speaker 6: This is.
Speaker 5: You know, he works his evidential base, he works things
on fact.
Speaker 3: He's a detective.
Speaker 5: He's he's had you know, there's no and the way
that he spoke and he handled himself as well, was
really good during the speak in the fact that again
it came across this is is very evident based. Everything
he said was very analytical and it changed everything for.
Speaker 3: The stepdad.
Speaker 5: It changed everything for him and now his mind is
just He says he's not been able to sleep a
wink all week. He says he never even gave this
a second thought, this topic. So that's this is the
level of the man that also carried out the investigation
on the Rendulsham incident. You know, just add some you know,
added a lot more sort of credibility to the story
for anybody that hasn't that doesn't know about that one yet.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks, Gary is a very credible person, and that
these are the sort of people we need to push
for UFO disclosure in the UK. And that's It's difficult,
isn't it, Because you know, we go on social media
and we see lots of different theories and things like that,
and it's very easy to, like Nick Pope alluded to
it and theave a week back, going down the paranormal
rabbit hole. Because there is this element, I think which
is a bit woo woo about UFOs and I'm a
big kind of fan of the work of John Keel
and Jacques Valet. I think there is this other weird
side to UFOs that's not necessarily visitors from another planet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I agree with that to be fair.
Speaker 5: And like you said, once you fall down the rabbit Harley,
you see many different facets that add to this. It
just it becomes a lot more than just sauces in
the sky, doesn't it.
Speaker 4: It does. Yeah, I mean that's that's what we found
with the with our Rendus from film that we did
because we looked at the nineteen eighty case a bit,
but that wasn't our main focus because lots of people
have done that and everyone knows it.
Speaker 6: There's various theories which we go into a little bit.
Speaker 4: But what interested me was people were going back to
the same place and having weird, anomalous experiences, correct credible people.
I mentioned earlier this x C I D. Police officer
John Hanson, who wrote a book two books with Charles
Holt about Rendelson. He went back to Rendell Sham and
they were doing C five before it was called CE five.
It's basically getting a bunch of friends together, sitting quietly
in the woods, maybe meditating a little bit, and you know,
seeing what happens. And he, you know, he showed me
videos that there's a UFO appears. This in the film
comes out of nowhere. There's orbs ah, there's these really
weird kind of rob things in the sky photograph and
then the weirdness of all there was these stones that
were just dropped down out of the sky from nowhere.
Ports is the technical term. And you know, this is
a no nonsense brummy, you know, a bit like Gary Hesitant,
you know, x CID detective. He's not going to he
deals with facts. And he's telling me this and you
know he was there the experienced that he showed me
the stones they were setting off. Analysis came back like said,
it's like they've just been made, recently made.
Speaker 3: That was a question I asked, Actually.
Speaker 6: So how is that possible?
Speaker 4: That just defis you know, normal physics. And it's like,
so you're going into a weird bit. And then I
spoke to more and more people that have been back
to Rendalsham over the years, basically manifested UFOs and one
of the better word that's come out from nowhere. We
went there and we experienced well weird stuff. And you
know my background is I'm a musician, but I have
a science degree. So kind to find a scientific you know,
reason for something and not just clutching it weird theories
for the sake of it. But when there all those
have been dismissed, where else do you go?
Speaker 5: Well, that should again, this is another thing just to
add a bit more credibility to just who you are.
You know, having a science degree means that you know
so how science works, the process of how we do
prove things, and the many layers that there are. And
for you to be chasing this and you know, like
you said that initially, you've been doing this for thirty years.
Now for you to still be going after that for
thirty years, that in itself lends credibility to the fact
that this isn't just a hawk's topic. This is It's
obvious at this point, it really is. It's as obvious
as a smack in the face. At this point, it
just seems to be that nobody seems to be in
authority ready for the.
Speaker 4: Speech. And you know what the interesting thing is, because
I go around a lot of places and I usually
wear a UFO T shirt or a badge on my
jacket and something, and everyone comes up to you, and
everyone's got story, you know, for more walks of life
or colors, old queeds, whatever, Everyone's got story, even I've
met chat a film conference a few months ago from
Al Jazeera Network, comes from Jordan. I didn't think to
be culturally into the UFOs. We've had a really good
chat and he was telling me about his grandparents and
these great grandparents and they talked to the little people
that lived on the hills and that's civilization and coach
that went further up the hills, and there's weird lights
and things like that.
Speaker 6: So you know, it's it's a universal thing.
Speaker 4: And I think once people know it's okay to talk about,
there'll be a lot more proof that comes out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously, I'll go on. Okay, I've been I've been trying.
Speaker 1: Uh, like I know, this is your this is your
is your ship.
Speaker 3: But like I've been, I've been.
Speaker 4: Twenty minutes.
Speaker 1: So you know, with your background as a scientist, and
you also recognize that you know, it is kind of
you know, woo, like you're talking about manifestation and all that,
which is like right up my alley with the the
size of you know, the black budgets that we meant
and these secret projects that are most definitely going on
the reasons well, let's say increase in up Phenomenona how many,
in your opinion, how many of those crafts are, you know,
let's say black budgets crafts, and how many are indeed
something outer worldly, inner worldly, outer dimensional perhaps even like
what do you think it is? Like, I mean there's
secret crafts, Like is it kind of fifty to fifty curious?
Speaker 4: That's a really really, really really good question, really difficult
to answer. I don't know. I'm not going to make
things up. I don't know. I think there is. There's
definitely man made stuff, and I think Renderson might be
edging towards that way a little bit in terms. I'll
going to that a little bit. But yeah, I mean
it's definitely with the SkyWatch, Jake Barbera and all the
See five things that is out there. I don't think
it's something physical, physical craft. I know people do think that.
I think there's something coming from another possibly dimension, which
does sound out there. Ah, So you've got that, You've
got the Black budget crafts, and do we have the
least likely One of my opinions scientifically is having extraterrestrial
spacecraft coming from billions of light years away. That makes
no sense to me the size of the planet unless
if you go into the anarkin on. Unless you think
that life here has been created or hybridized, then that
makes sense.
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, I mean that's that's the The whole
timeline thing is the whole timeline thing is one of
the things that you know, kind of puts me off.
It's like, oh, you know, they come from millions of
light years away, which means that they would see our
planet as it was, you know, all those millions of
years ago, like you know, even like sixty five million
years ago, they still see the dinosaurs roaming around. What's
interesting about freaking dinosaurs for a you know, highly intelligent technology, technological,
advanced civilization, just like a bunch of big ass lizards.
Speaker 4: Good point.
Speaker 5: Yeah, see, I think that the if the if we
break in the ability to move faster than the speed
of light and come from somewhere that is potentially billions
of light years away. In this very sense of how
you move move an object from there to there via
the speed of light means that you have to move
through space in time. So the theory is it's not
just linear, is it That there's layers to it. So
it's not a case of go in there to there.
It would be a jump from one place to the other,
which I supposed you start talking about maybe wormholes or portals,
or or just the very nature of moving through the
fabrico space and time itself. You know, there are theories
around that that that's the case. It maybe isn't just
a case of just heading in the direction as fast
as you can.
Speaker 6: Yeah, let's not forget that.
Speaker 4: Steven Spielberg, of all people, thinks that you have the
gray Aliens time travelers, it's us from the future.
Speaker 1: That is a theory that I'm very familiar with a
lot of theosophical scholars. Yeah, well, we'll speak about that theory,
like the little gray aliens, it's humans.
Speaker 3: But we went like.
Speaker 1: Down the like the Simulacra timeline, the merging with on Man,
with technology. That's why they are so you no, incredibly intelligent,
because you know they have like you know, they went
just only the brain route, if you will, And that's
why they're you know, their skin is great because they
have really no humanity left, and you know, they're probing
us and you know kind of you know, coming back
to us because I don't know, like trying to figure
out how they can undo it something I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they need something that you know, we've got they'd lost.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, theory, all these other things on theories with
the Eisenhower making a deal with them in the fifties,
and so they could have abduct a certain number of
many a year in order for the exchange of technology,
and then would you believe it, you know, fiber optics
and various other technologies arrive very soon after considering. I mean,
this is something that I theorize on a lot, and
I think about and I do air it, and it's
just one point for deep thinking, I think, is that
when you look at human history and where we've come
from and where we are until about nineteen forty, call
it nineteen forty, and then where we've gone from nineteen
forty to twenty twenty five, and the jump in technological
advancement is ridiculous. It's ridiculous, and it's sort of you
haven't seen that anywhere else well in recorded history that
we know about, that's for sure, not including technologies that
may have been or may have not been used in
previous you know, civilizations.
Speaker 3: But questions could it have happened? Could there been of that.
Speaker 5: Exchange, because you know, in the forty seven incident in
Roswell that lends credibility to it. And again with the
advanced technology and then the deal and suddenly all these
abductions start happening around about the.
Speaker 3: Time when people you know, where this deal went down.
You know the theories on that. There's just so many
dots to connect on this topic and you could spend
years playing with it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you mentioned Roswell. It's like, it's quite
interesting that. Well, you probably noticed story Einstein's assystem at
the time.
Speaker 6: It wasn't a deathbed confession.
Speaker 4: She recorded this interview before she died, locked it away
in a safe from when she died. It was released,
so she didn't gain anything from it. But she said
that her and Einstein went to Roswell to observe the
Gray Aliens and Einstein met one of them and things
like that, and there's no reason for her to make
it up.
Speaker 6: So was Einstein there, which.
Speaker 5: Is exactly it's an official document from her then, Yeah,
from the assistant, and that's been confirmed that statement. Again,
I was still dancing around the fact that that's not disclosed.
Surely that enough would but this is Einstein's assistant.
Speaker 6: How much credit.
Speaker 4: She made it up. She was old and she made
it up, but that she didn't gain anything from making
it out. She didn't go on, you couldn't.
Speaker 3: Maybe she was making it up if she did it?
Speaker 6: Now, did you know that?
Speaker 4: Did you know? Just a month before Roswell, both Einstein
and Oppenheimer this is legitimate document wrote a document about
how to deal with extraterrestrial life in terms of legal
and societal implications. They right joined because find it. It's
out there. That's just one month before as well.
Speaker 3: Interesting, Yeah, I think it is.
Speaker 5: I just you know, we're talking about disclosure now, and
I just it's something that I feel like, and it
must be the same for many people in this industry,
especially maybe one's with a bit more education than I have,
and perhaps a bit more you know, skinning the game.
But I just cannot, for the life of me, see
how we're still not accepting this is real, unofficial capacity.
As as far as the fact that there is NHI
obviously at play here, you know, it blows my mind.
With the evidence and you know, the witness testimonies and
everything everything to cover ups, it just it blows my
mind that was still not disclosed.
Speaker 3: I mean, why in God's name aren't we got this
out yet?
Speaker 1: But like, think about the know amount of years that
we've been told that it's you know, it's all fiction,
it's all Hollywood. Like how many Hollywood movies are there
about aliens? How many you know books are there about
aliens over the like, I want to say, hundreds of years.
You know, it's been put into our heads that you
know it's fiction.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: Oh you just by the way movies just much too
much evening, read too many books.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, do.
Speaker 3: You think it's closure in plain sight? The TV and
the movies.
Speaker 4: I mean, there are documents that were released in the
eighties and nineties that showed that the CIA was actively
influencing plots of movies. Like you say, especially in the
fifties and sixties, they were saying, you've got to They
were pushing the studios, people were hired by the CIA
in Hollywood. That's that's no fact. So you assume it's
probably still going on to some extent. I mean, you
get called the conspiracy theorists for that, but then they
will released files twenty th yees. Yeah, that'll exactly.
Speaker 3: That's the thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I mean Leonardo DiCaprio on the World's Economic Forum,
So you know, yeah.
Speaker 4: That's a different conversation. I think.
Speaker 1: Oh, but you know, like CIA, Hollywood, you know, it's
it's all connected.
Speaker 3: So you know, if you're going to.
Speaker 5: Be pushing syops doing it via the Hollywood considering it,
you know, film and TV, it just makes sense, doesn't it.
Speaker 3: It's obvious.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and.
Speaker 4: Well yeah, is it still going on now? I guess yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, so you've been working hard Amazon the on
the documentaries. A new one coming up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a Renders from UFO, the British Roswell. It's
having its world premiere in London on June the twenty fourth,
and we're kind of trying to use this event. It's
at the rain Dance Film Festival, which is quite prestigious,
and they picked a UFO film which is brilliant, So
we're trying to use this as a springboard. Really, we're
going to do a little press conference question and answer.
I'll make a formal statement calling on Sakia Starma to
at least the truth about UFOs. But the good thing
is do have I can say this because I do
have an inside now to Sir Quia Starmer, it's a
UFO person who came to my last screen in the
King of UFOs in London where we've kind of just
softly lanced the UFO Disclosure Group, and Sakis Stamer had
sent someone along, which is cool, and so a message
in him. He's supposed to be arranging a meeting with
someone from the House of Lords. So that's all progressing
nicely and hopefully on Dune the twenty fourth we'll.
Speaker 6: Get some action.
Speaker 4: In the meantime, they're all whistleblowers that are sending his stuff.
Can't talk too much about which is you know, potentially
leading to a really big press conference later in the
summer where some massive information will be presented to the
British public and the American public.
Speaker 3: And do you think that's likely going to be about televised?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, a bit.
Speaker 6: All the pressle would be invited, okay, and you know, and.
Speaker 3: Is that an official sort of announcement.
Speaker 4: I'm not officially announcing now, but it will be. Yeah,
it will be, and there'll be some big players involved.
Speaker 5: And what day is that? Can we say you just
stick that one in the diary? Is that nice?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's going to be late summer.
Speaker 5: Okay, Well, we'll make sure we keep our eye out
for that and we'll make sure we.
Speaker 4: Go Yeah, we will. Once we've planned it all out,
we'll go public and do a proper announcement. So because
there's a great bunch of UFO investigators in the UK
coming from grassroots level, from social media like TikTok and
doing great work and you know, we're getting hundreds of
people each week. Thing is you know, information, videos, evidence,
So it's coming from you know, grassroots up really, which
which is great. And because you know, social media can
be a double edged sword, you know, but this is
one of the positive aspects that ordinary people can you know,
record their experience center and get some validation for it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 5: And what I will ask you as well, that you've
been in this thirty years now, in this game, do
you think do you feel that it's it's definitely heating
up this topic in recent years to a point where
it's never been before.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, massively, Yeah, absolutely, massively.
Speaker 5: It's never been like this before, never, And do you
think and how close do you think we are too?
I suppose let's say a disclosure, whether that be a
catastrophic disclosure.
Speaker 3: You could obviously talk.
Speaker 5: About what that means and what format comes in if
you wanted to versus a controlled disclosure.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean we talked about this disclosure coming.
Speaker 4: I guess we expect the government, the Prime Minister, President
Trump to make a formal announcement saying we are not
alone and these are them. I don't think that will
happen catastrophic. I think Trump would love it. THO wouldn't
he even so we are the greatest planet that these
are our greatest Yeah, we are the best relationships.
Speaker 3: You Yeah, this would never have happened I found him
in President.
Speaker 1: Well or he's just gonna like he's going to claim it,
you know, he's going to take the credit.
Speaker 3: For it, like you know, like.
Speaker 1: These are the best aliens there are.
Speaker 4: But the trouble is he has to do something because
he courted the UFO vote in the US and kind
of anti establishment a little bit, you know, somewhat piggyback
in r f K politically, and then he hasn't really Okay,
it's really the JFK file some of them, and the
Bobby Kennzy and MLK files.
Speaker 6: But then the UFO reps starting are still to come, I.
Speaker 3: Guess, And do you think they will come.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, you can obviously understand why maybe
they've taken a lot longer than the JFK. There's more
than one case to deal with. I can imagine the
paper trail for both of these. Epstein and the UFO
is are massive.
Speaker 4: I don't think either.
Speaker 3: You don't think we'll see the light of day on either.
Speaker 4: No, I mean you were talking about catastrophic disclosure. I
always get confused about what that means. Can you explain it.
Speaker 5: In the way I would perceive a catastrophic disclosure is
if NHI were the ones that made the move, you know,
without a controlled or any sort of information coming from
official terminology. We're just looking upwards and seeing something happening.
It's something that becomes so obvious that the other only one.
Speaker 3: You know, there's only one source of re in in me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good point that would put people onto panic.
Speaker 5: I guess so war of the World's Yeah, exactly. You know,
there's a lot of people do speculate of what form
because there you know, there's quite a few ways. I
suppose if you really wanted to play around with the idea,
and no doubt you could make it as fan you
as fantastically as you like the catastrophic disclosure.
Speaker 3: Does it come in the shape of an army? You know, potentially?
Speaker 5: I always say, in more of these booger spheres, What
do you what do you think?
Speaker 3: I mean, how do you?
Speaker 5: I mean you must have played with the idea of
how and what disclosure comes in in what form unless
you obviously know something that we don't. What are your
own personal feelings on how it comes in the end?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I seriously don't know. I mean I
perceived it would come through kind of official channels, I guess,
But then then we've got the belief facts, haven't we
probably believed them anyway, I'm hoping that it comes from
the grass roots, when the people are out there investigating.
That's that's that's my hope is that we'll have enough evidence.
We'll just do our own press conference or whatever it
gets press coverage, and that then forces the governments, the
political leaders to take action. I mean, it happens all
the time, doesn't it With politicians. They'll ignore something because
it's inconvenient and they don't want to upset anyone. Yeah,
so they will ignore that issue. But then something will happen.
Say that you can't ignore it anymore.
Speaker 3: And you know, I'll flip it around and ask you
the opposite.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, if we're talking about an NHI
species are various as claim tends to be, why do
you think that they're not just presented themselves to us
as is already, you know, rather than you start the
cloak and dagger techniques that we're seeing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good question.
Speaker 1: Sorry, stand that who says they haven't?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 5: You know, but what all we're talking about is second
had our first and witnesses, and we're not talking about
something public or something that's recorded, for instance, Like for me,
I'm sure that my sort of instinct would be to
record the situation or at least get a selfie with something.
Speaker 3: If it was to show itself.
Speaker 5: And you have communicate with me in some ways, you
know what I mean, One of the questions I would
probably ask is why wouldn't you show yourself to bigger crowds?
You know, that's sort of what I'm what I'm thinking.
Speaker 4: I guess the answer that people say is that the
human race is not ready.
Speaker 5: So well, that's an easy answer I suppose, and I
could probably why.
Speaker 4: That's what they'll say, because you're not ready to need
to get to a higher level. If people like Dr
Greer and he'll say that we need to raise our
consciousness or vibration, we're just you're still in the kind
of mentality of dog eat dog, don't we That's where
the other species of the galaxies are.
Speaker 1: And also, you know, look at what we do to
you know, things, and with technologies that we don't recognize.
We either tend to destroy it like outright, you know,
the fear of the unknown, you know, kill it before
it kills us, you know, even if we have no
idea that you know that it's you know, intention, or
we try to weaponize it and make money of it.
So if I were, you know, an alien species of
any kind, then I you know, look at that as
you know, the main example of humanity. I'd be like,
you know what, maybe I'll stay hidden for a little longer,
leaves some breath crumbs here and there, see, you know,
see how they react.
Speaker 4: But yeah, that's a good point. I mean, it's interesting
what Dr Greer, Stephen Greer says about it all because
he sees bestally all aliens ets as mostly good and
here to help us, and all this kind of romantic
version of it, and that all the bad stuff is
all the menitary and the military want to stop, that
they're doing false flag stuff and all this. I'm not
saying he's right, it's just interesting what he's saying. M hmm.
Speaker 6: There's different upologies and there.
Speaker 4: And then you've got people like George Knapp, Jerey mccorbell,
who are both respect I have to say they're on
the different side of it, kind of that there could
be a threat there, so we need to be a
little bit wary.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what do you think of that? I mean, there's
been a few claims recently. I mean I've seen it
from both sides. Whilst I've been sort of learning about
the topic over the last few years. I've seen some
of the doctor Greer camp, and then I've seen sort
of the you know, the Louis Alexander camp, and so
there have been sort of developments, I suppose, if you
want to call them that recently, as far as claims
of disinformation agents and people working, you know, Richard Doughty's
name were brought up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was on that interview with Richard Doty when
he said that Lewis Alessandro tried to hire him to
spread disinformation in Space Force. I heard it.
Speaker 5: It came from him, and that came straight from the
horse's mouth.
Speaker 6: I mean, I've got nothing, no grudge Agat.
Speaker 4: I know that his past and all that and what
he used to do. We didn't make it up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, well you were there.
Speaker 5: I mean we're do to the podcast now you can
tell when somebody says something or not. But I will
ask you, you know, just for for the sake of
the audience looking in, if you could just describe Richard Doughty.
Speaker 3: I mean, who is he?
Speaker 4: What is he?
Speaker 3: What is he famous for?
Speaker 5: Just for US Air Force used to spread.
Speaker 4: From one who had disinformation campaigns in the UFO community.
He targeted. There's a guy called William Moore. It was
quite a famous you followed this wrote famous book on
the triangle, amongst other things. So he was using him
to some extent. And then there was a chap called
Paul Benefits, who is basically meet me and you were
looking into UFOs and he was led down a rabbit
hole of false information that Richard Do'ty was deliberately feeding
him to put it out to take away the fact
that they were testing secret technology and this guy ended
up killing himself. Basically he wasn't well. He had mental
health issues anyway. So it's quite a serious thing, and
I think Richard does he regret it. He was doing
his job, he was serving his country.
Speaker 6: You know, he had admission to do. That's what he did.
Speaker 4: So you have to realize that's where he comes from,
that that's what his job was. I find it quite odd.
I have to say that he's okay, maybe he's reformed
and he feels bad about what he now works for Gaya,
which is quite a kind of holistic platform that deals
with meditation and King of the UFOs is on is
On Guyas I'm not criticizing Geya. I find it strange
that he's absolutely employed by them.
Speaker 5: It's interesting considering the fact that his job was to
spread this information. It doesn't really lend itself to that
particular topic, does it very well?
Speaker 3: If you're already a skeptic.
Speaker 1: No, I am known with the I'm like known and
aware of the the Guy platform and the people that
are that are on there, and on the surface, it's
it's decent, but it's I mean, it's a lot of
you know, speculation. It's a lot of sensation. It's about
making money really, you know, selling a product, selling, you know,
selling a book, podcast, podcasting tours like the the you
know the Red Line in you know, all those stories
and interviews that they do. Now it's it's decent, but
still you know it's it's very service level and you know,
really a means to make money, like it's the it's
the what is it like that? The same kind of
you know, History Channel, Ancient Aliens kind of crowd. It's
very sensational, a lot of a lot of loff you.
Speaker 5: Say that, right, I mean this is a different topic
and probably a different podcast episode than itself, but those
so when some of the big tepe thing, I mean
that came true, right, I mean that's been confirmed.
Speaker 3: That's pretty old.
Speaker 1: That's why I say little substance, not no substance at all.
Like you know, there is there, there is, there is
good stuff. Absolutely sorry, you know what's interesting?
Speaker 4: You know talk about the Burger spheres. I think they're fake.
My gut reaction is there is some sort of really
really good, very clever maybe c I a hoax. Georgolos
from Aliens. He went on the record straight away saying
ha ha, this is all this is all rubbish, This
is all fake. This is the man from Aliens. If
he thinks is a fake, you know, I love. But
if he thinks, let's straight out there and hammy Hammy
Masson's involved, which is always a bit of a red flag.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, he's been known with hoax before in the past, doesn't.
Speaker 4: It It has Yeah.
Speaker 3: That's a little bit of a red flag. Like you say,
what do you make of that?
Speaker 5: With the other ones though, I mean it's not just
obviously we've got the booger sphere in Columbia, but then
there's the one in Belfast, and there's a one in
Manchester Airport.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I've we're dealing with some sort of unknown
technology that because I did an interview last week, I
think we're one of the newspapers about crop circles again,
and especially in the UK, you are seem to be
formed in mostly in Wiltshire, Salisbury area, Salisbury playing big
mod area. So I was thinking, and I've got a
couple of videos where you see orbs. Often there's one
you know, the orbs are then and then the crop
circles formed. I'm not saying that all crop circles are.
Speaker 6: Formed like that, A lot of them hoaxes. We all
know that.
Speaker 4: But so there's definitely these orbs, these booga spheres you
can call them. There's the same sort of thing that's
seen creating crop circles on nearby afterwards. So are we
dealing with some sort of secret tech that's been tested?
You know, we're in the soulsby playing near the mod
or is it something far weirder? Is it? I don't know.
Speaker 5: Well, the thing is just on that topic because I
wanted to. I really didn't want to forget about this
before we jumped off, just because I'm interested.
Speaker 3: I've been in the military twenty years.
Speaker 5: I was based I'm in the Royal Courts of Signals Communications.
I was based down there myselfs in Wiltshire, near Bath
to Learn, so literally right next door.
Speaker 3: To Caution And when I was there.
Speaker 5: When I was there, it was rumored and you know,
the guys knew it, the soldiers, we all talked about it,
about the underground cities and the train tracks that lead
from London to Bristol to Bath to up and down
the country, and you know it was used, wasn't it
for Navy weapons during the war, and what else have
they been using it for since, especially in underground cities.
That's a bit I don't know whether I don't know,
but this was a rumor amongst everybody in the military
around in the signals around in that area anyway, and
again more than one one or two people knew about it.
And another thing I find interesting and I sort of connected,
you know, when you when you fall down this road
or you start connecting dots. What I find interesting is
an m O D based near Bristol, and it just
so happens that Boeing are also co located. An aerospace
company that I suppose doctor Greer would be interested in,
happens to be located near Bristol on an m D
base a stone throwaway from these underground railroads and interconnecting
city links.
Speaker 3: It's a bit peculiar, isn't it.
Speaker 5: And then you obviously hear about the story with Rudlow
manor as well, with them two ladies that got stopped
and questioned by many in black. You know it's one
of them, isn't it.
Speaker 4: That's the fast I'm glad you mentioned that because I've
just been rereading Timothy good Check it out top secret.
It's an old book U book. There's still a lot
of information that we don't kind of know now that's
not online, that's in book. He was talking about back
in the eighties about rudload manor Caution Computer Center, that
whole area, talking about about there being UFOs underground. Tim
fit Good was quite a well respected UFO researcher. He
was a classical violinist, played in the national role for
Philharmonic Orchestra. Very very kind of posh, upper class guy.
But you know, he spoke to people that said, you know, yeah,
there were UFOs, you know, broadload manor underground. It's complex,
it is interesting. And following on for that, not far
from me in Hertfordshire, there's a home I don't know
if you tik top videos, there's a home office facility,
but I jokingly say is area fifty one. It's not
Area fifty one, but it's got really high security shifts
see in the video, so you'll see officially it's closed,
you do freedom of information request, but I live nearby.
It's not closed. There's a tannel in nicements every night.
I've even heard weird sounds out there, cryptid sounds. My
kids sell it sounded like a cow sized dog. Ah.
I'm getting out there and testing drones and things like that,
which I've caught on camera, right, And most of that
place there is underground. There's an outdoors bit, but underground
feels around it. There's a complex and the locals spoke
to some of the tradesmen have been down their service
and stuff. So it definitely exists, but it's kept secret
and not talked about. And don't forget Bletchley Park in
the Second World War, nobody knew it was there. That's
what one Second World World Enigma machine and the codes
and all that. It's done there. No one there's like
ten thousand people working there in secret. No one knew that. No,
it was there. So it can be done m hm.
Speaker 5: And you know going forward then, I mean we'll start
wrapping it up now. I want to finish with some
quick fire questions if I can, just for funnies. I've
got some just yes, our nose one, but we'll just
fire for a few, just for the funnies. Like I said,
so if you don't mind and dulge, you may which
is some yes or no questions?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 5: So, Mark, have you ever seen a UFO with your
own eyes. Yes, do you tell you what we're just doing?
Do you believe aliens are already living among us?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's yes.
Speaker 3: It's the British government hiding evidence of aliens contact. Yes, yes, yes,
that's a dead sir, that one.
Speaker 5: Have you ever felt like you were being watched by
something non human?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 5: And this is an interesting one. Is C five a
reliable way to make contact?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 6: I say that.
Speaker 4: The scientist part of meh dismisses it, but I've done
it myself and.
Speaker 5: That's what made me think that's an interesting one from
a science based man.
Speaker 3: How would you answer that one.
Speaker 4: It's a film I did called UFN Councters of the
Fifth Kind not very original title. It's on Prime, but
we did. That was the premise of the film. Speke
to Ray Dove, who used to know Dr Greer and
got all these concepts and we've got a group of
people we've meditated. I wasn't expected seeing this and we did.
We turned the camera off, okay, and something came up.
Luckily We've got the camera back on.
Speaker 3: To capture some of it.
Speaker 4: Then I was like, it's got to be a satellite,
So yeah, it does work all right? Good?
Speaker 3: Well and bloody does that?
Speaker 5: It's not something I've done and you know again that's
another topic. I wanted to do an episode on it
and maybe it's something we'll look into. Right, we'll finish
off for the last three. Do aliens monitor our nuclear weapons?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 5: Will the UK disclose UFO secrets in our lifetime?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 5: If given the chance, would you bord a UFO craft?
No questions asked, No, no, and that easually a lot.
That's the ten quick fire questions. Thanks for that, Mark,
Thank you.
Speaker 6: I really enjoyed that.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: You know, there's a lot coming up, a hell of
a lot in the pipeline across the pond absolute end,
and as well as here in UK shows as well.
Just for you for the doctor for the premiere Mark,
if you just give us the date on that again.
Speaker 4: Yes, due the twenty fourth in London rain Dance Film Festival.
It's called the rendolpshrom UFO. The British was well, thank
you lovely.
Speaker 5: And what we might get you, well, if we can,
we could probably get you on again again at some
point in the future, just if things develop. I think
it's good and more people we talk about and obviously,
you with a man with an ear so close to
the ground, it just makes sense if you're available.
Speaker 3: And want to come on and discuss it. Greatly appreciated.
Speaker 5: Thanks a lot about Mark Stein over to you. Maybe
you got any questions that you want to end with
take a picture.
Speaker 4: No, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't really have any questions. I thought this was
this was very very interesting, very very enlightening. You know,
I'm glad I could. I'm glad I could be here.
Glad I said I was.
Speaker 6: I was going to come on.
Speaker 1: It's been a while since we've done one with well
at least you know, the majority of the squad.
Speaker 3: Next time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's he's going to have some he's
going to have some burning questions for sure.
Speaker 3: Drain you for information.
Speaker 4: Mark.
Speaker 5: Unfortunately I couldn't make it, but he didn't send me
a list of what he wanted to know, so screwing.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that's.
Speaker 6: That's happy doing it again.
Speaker 4: That's fine.
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, absolutely, and it doesn't have to be
you know, miles away in the future. Absolutely, like I said,
and they really wanted to be honest to the fact
that he's not.
Speaker 4: I could talk about paranormal stuff because my personal belief
now is I think the UFO is the paranormal linked
dealing with the same phenomena.
Speaker 5: I kind of tend to sort of lean towards that
as well. Now I think.
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I thought about this.
Speaker 3: I fact I could.
Speaker 5: You know, I didn't see myself landing on the on
the on the spiritual side of things.
Speaker 3: I really didn't.
Speaker 6: That is not me.
Speaker 5: And I'm starting to start of lean towards this consciousness
thing and I think, you know, oh God, what's going on?
But it's it's just when you connected enough dots, it
all starts to make sense. But anyway, thank you again.
Make will definitely get you on again in the future.
Cheers for pulling the strings as usual, mate and all
of you.
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