Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome back to the fire Escape Cast. It
Speaker 1: is episode what one hundred and one?
Speaker 2: Whoa one on one done?
Speaker 3: We would crumble on our one hundredth episode and the.
Speaker 1: Mike was doing voices back in the forties and they
Speaker 1: thought that would bring us down. Mary was talking about
Speaker 1: Nixon way too much in the sixties. Dan had his
Speaker 1: Vince McMahon fate. Well, he still likes Vince McMahon, but
Speaker 1: we just don't talk about it as much. True. So
Speaker 1: here we are episode one oh one. I'm Mike Mahari.
Speaker 1: That's Mary Kish. Hello.
Speaker 3: We almost we did almost break up on episode one hundred.
Speaker 3: I think that was probably one of the most intense conversations.
Speaker 3: But people liked it.
Speaker 4: I think people liked it.
Speaker 5: I had a second wave of being annoyed because I
Speaker 5: forgot because I was probably several drinks deep by the
Speaker 5: point this happened, so I forgot it happened. But I
Speaker 5: saw someone be like, Wow, I can't believe Mary was
Speaker 5: arguing Diablo too is more influential than Mario sixty four.
Speaker 5: And I saw that comment, and I'm like, what about
Speaker 5: a comment about our own podcast?
Speaker 1: I forgot about it, got mad about again. You made
Speaker 1: a noise I've never heard you make. When she said that,
Speaker 1: you did like that point where it was just being yeah,
Speaker 1: it did okay, Mary, Like I I think someone can
Speaker 1: easily like Diablo too more than Mario and it can
Speaker 1: be more important in their life. But like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think Mary was just trying to she'ld be in a state
Speaker 1: on you.
Speaker 4: At that point.
Speaker 3: I just didn't have much to work with. But I
Speaker 3: know that Diablo two is really important to me, so
Speaker 3: I was like, I think it is more influential. And
Speaker 3: then I think what I said something was like, you know,
Speaker 3: I made the assumption that how I feel is probably
Speaker 3: how everyone else feels, and it should win. But I
Speaker 3: did lose that battle. I think the only thing that
Speaker 3: was really valuable was when the Witch a three.
Speaker 2: One in the past episode.
Speaker 5: In the past episodes, the important thing is big personal news.
Speaker 5: You remember my tea kettle in the background. Oh the furnace, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I remember the furnace sound. Yeah, it's been plaguing my recordings. Well,
Speaker 5: I was gonna call a furnace guy, which I don't
Speaker 5: even know where you'd start with that. I don't even
Speaker 5: just google furnace guy. But the vent is up above
Speaker 5: my reach, and so I was like, I don't want
Speaker 5: to go upstairs and get a step stool and just
Speaker 5: see if there's something clogged in there. And then I
Speaker 5: was like, wait, I got all these WrestleMania chairs down here,
Speaker 5: like I've got like twelve chairs from like WrestleMania as
Speaker 5: I've sat in, and so I just brought it in here.
Speaker 5: I stood up there and I just touched the vent
Speaker 5: while I was making the noise, and it just stopped
Speaker 5: making the noise.
Speaker 1: Ling.
Speaker 5: I just pushed it in a little bit, and now
Speaker 5: no no longer making that noise. So I sold the rug.
Speaker 5: I just took the rug the FedEx. Today it's like
Speaker 5: I don't need this joker anymore. It wouldn't do anything anyway.
Speaker 1: So but so, okay, so you prefer the room without
Speaker 1: the rug by default? What's that You prefer the room
Speaker 1: without the rug, and you wanted to get rid of
Speaker 1: it because you wanted to see the floor.
Speaker 5: I was, uh, sometimes I like to do like stretches
Speaker 5: and stuff on the hard floor, and being on a
Speaker 5: slippy little rug thing I didn't like. And so I
Speaker 5: moved it over closer to that door, and I told Bonk, like,
Speaker 5: oh I definitely like it over there better because then
Speaker 5: I have more of the hardwood floor. She's like, wait,
Speaker 5: the thing you like about the rug now is that
Speaker 5: it's not on the floor. We're oh, yeah, that's a
Speaker 5: good point. I should just get rid of it. And
Speaker 5: so I get rid of it.
Speaker 2: So you brought it where? Did you just get to FedEx?
Speaker 2: Oh you returned it?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I found that often if there's a noise
Speaker 1: that's annoying me in the apartment, is something's loose and
Speaker 1: I just have to tighten it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just touched it and it just stopped.
Speaker 1: Like our our like combo washer dryer we have makes
Speaker 1: loud noises, and anytime I just lightly touched my finger
Speaker 1: to the bottom right corner, the whole plastic like facade
Speaker 1: stops shaking.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, it's just loose. Then I taped it. Yeah, look,
Speaker 2: home owners.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you are not doing the job. Touching things and
Speaker 3: hoping that they work and returning carpets is not normal.
Speaker 5: There's a problem in my house. I got to work
Speaker 5: on it, and now it's not a problem.
Speaker 1: The problems gone.
Speaker 5: I was standing on top of chairs and touching metal stuff.
Speaker 4: He's thinking about stuff he'sensive.
Speaker 3: You have stumbled through life yet again. But I will
Speaker 3: not give you any like credence nortal for it.
Speaker 1: You know how I imagine Dan looking while he's working
Speaker 1: at his house. You know those photos where people pretend
Speaker 1: to be thinking as if there's not a camera there
Speaker 1: in the garden when they make announcements and they're just like, oh,
Speaker 1: I just have news. I just I'm very pensive right now.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about the future. That's how I imagine Dan being.
Speaker 5: I'm always pensive and I'm always thinking about things. That's
Speaker 5: my whole deal.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, if I'm thinking about stuff like all the time,
Speaker 2: I'm awake.
Speaker 1: I do fix stuff for real here too. Have I
Speaker 1: told you about robes Pierre, He's the it's the event
Speaker 1: on the room that was screaming once. What we had
Speaker 1: a like crazy windstorm, uh it You know those like
Speaker 1: circular vents that rotate on city roofs around the like
Speaker 1: smoke stacks.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the crazy metal things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had such a like intense windstorm two years
Speaker 1: ago that it like bent the metal so it was
Speaker 1: just scraping against the rod, the axle at the center.
Speaker 1: I went up to the roof and I just WD
Speaker 1: forty did it and then but then it made the
Speaker 1: noise again next year, so I actually had to like
Speaker 1: pry the metal back into place. It's fine now, but
Speaker 1: I do fix stuff. I don't just tape everything. It's
Speaker 1: not all band aids.
Speaker 4: What what'd you fix?
Speaker 1: Mary?
Speaker 4: Tell us what your house?
Speaker 2: Are you not judging us?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you got your dvate septum on?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, how was that good?
Speaker 3: The reason we recorded so early, Thank you both of
Speaker 3: you for recording early, was because I had surgery the
Speaker 3: next day and I was like, oh crap, I probably
Speaker 3: won't be able to talk or do any thing for
Speaker 3: several days because I'll be on drugs. So we recorded
Speaker 3: our one hundredth episode early, and then I got my
Speaker 3: surgery that following morning, and uh, they knocked me out
Speaker 3: for it, and I woke up a couple hours later.
Speaker 3: I assume this is what happened to you, Dan, and
Speaker 3: they packed me full of gaze. It was probably one
Speaker 3: of the most uncomfortable days of my life. I you
Speaker 3: did warn me, but this severely uncomfort.
Speaker 4: Your face wake up pain in.
Speaker 3: Front nose, septum surgery.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: The thing I'm shocked about is that you said you
Speaker 5: got the stense out the next day, like I had
Speaker 5: four for hours. I actually had like a week of
Speaker 5: being able to breathe through my nose, Like, yeah, how
Speaker 5: long until you could breathe out of your nose?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 3: Within twenty four hours? So yeah. The first day was miserable.
Speaker 3: You can't breathe at all, and I'm trying to breathe
Speaker 3: through my mouth, but it's painful. And I would wake
Speaker 3: up like every one to two hours because I would
Speaker 3: need a sip of water because my throat was dry
Speaker 3: because I was breathing on my mouth. So had it's
Speaker 3: terrible sleep Monday night. And then Tuesday, I went right
Speaker 3: back in and he was like, let's see how you're healing.
Speaker 3: He pulled out my stents, the things that he shoved
Speaker 3: up my nose and I could breathe, and he was like, sick,
Speaker 3: you got some stitches in there. Don't get punched in
Speaker 3: your face. And I was like, you got it, Bud.
Speaker 3: And I went home and I slept like a baby.
Speaker 3: It was great. And I slept all Tuesday like that,
Speaker 3: evening throughout until Wednesday. And then I went back to
Speaker 3: work on Wednesday and I was fine. I was on
Speaker 3: like pain killers a little bit for like Wednesday through Friday,
Speaker 3: but I mean, I feel I feel I know they
Speaker 3: were intense, but I feel I was fine, Like I
Speaker 3: was breathing and sleeping normally Tuesday on.
Speaker 5: Okay, that's good to hear, because you have mine was
Speaker 5: like four operations on top of the sinnest thing. So
Speaker 5: that must be the discrepancy in like a week for
Speaker 5: me a day for you.
Speaker 3: They were really in there, you know, whereas like for mine,
Speaker 3: he was like, I straightened your tubes out and I said,
Speaker 3: thank you very much, and he was like, good, you
Speaker 3: should be good. Just don't let anything. He said, don't
Speaker 3: fall and hit your nose and don't have anyone punch
Speaker 3: you in your nose. And I said, I can handle that.
Speaker 3: And I think we're back. It's been two weeks now.
Speaker 3: I feel totally fine. I breathe amazing. I fully recommended it.
Speaker 3: I know we've like talked about this before, especially for years,
Speaker 3: but I have to say, if anyone's been thinking about it,
Speaker 3: I have slept with nose strips on my nose for years.
Speaker 3: I have just dealt with it and been like, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: to go to sleep at night, I must have a
Speaker 3: strip on my nose because I can't breathe good. I
Speaker 3: don't need that anymore. I breathe perfectly fine in the evening.
Speaker 3: It's so much easier even doing little things like working out.
Speaker 3: I swear to God food has more flavor, and I
Speaker 3: think that's because I was stuffed up when I was
Speaker 3: eating and I couldn't smell the food. Prob really, so
Speaker 3: it really has dramatically increased my quality of life. And
Speaker 3: I'm thrilled that I die. I have no regrets.
Speaker 5: Hell, yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, it's great when you were
Speaker 5: like over the hump with that stuff. It's it's awful
Speaker 5: when it's like going on. But then once it's all settled,
Speaker 5: it's okay.
Speaker 2: That was worth doing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was super worth it. So that was my
Speaker 3: big fixer upper was my own face. I did not
Speaker 3: do my own surgery. But I also didn't pretend that
Speaker 3: I fixed it by touching it. So I feel like
Speaker 3: I'm still on the up from you guys.
Speaker 1: I love you face.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 1: That's great.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna put it under on Thursday for a little
Speaker 5: thing today I got. I'm going to get a what
Speaker 5: do you call it? An inflats?
Speaker 3: What are you missing.
Speaker 2: Eighteen. I was eighteen and I lost that.
Speaker 3: Get a gold one in there.
Speaker 5: I could, Oh, no, I'm just gonna get a normal one.
Speaker 5: But they got to do a sinus lift first, so
Speaker 5: they got to lift my sinus up and put some
Speaker 5: fake bone in there, and then put a screw in
Speaker 5: there and all this stuff. So yeah, they told me
Speaker 5: when I was eighteen, and I was like, just take
Speaker 5: it out, and they're like, you sure we can save
Speaker 5: that tooth.
Speaker 2: I was like, bad, just take it out.
Speaker 5: And then it was like twenty plus years of like,
Speaker 5: oh wow, I wish I could chew on this side
Speaker 5: of my face, and then like now my sinuses and
Speaker 5: the bone structure were all fucked up.
Speaker 2: Probably should have listened to the dentist people when I was.
Speaker 3: Ever put a straw in that tooth hole.
Speaker 2: No, I never have, or like drink here, but I
Speaker 2: don't have a straw tarnish in there. I guess this
Speaker 2: this this week with my last chance.
Speaker 3: Yeah wait, now we're a farmer, Is that where you'd
Speaker 3: put your straw?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Well, if I moved to like Los Angeles, when I
Speaker 5: got off the bus and I showed want to show
Speaker 5: that I was a hay seed from Kansas.
Speaker 2: That's where I would put the straw.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, tooth hoole.
Speaker 1: Or if you're a getaway driver who wears bomber jackets
Speaker 1: and toothpicks in his mouth, that's where it would go.
Speaker 1: And you'd stare at Kerry Mulligan for ten seconds without
Speaker 1: saying anything.
Speaker 3: There's a stack of toothpicks in that because you could
Speaker 3: put more than one toothpick in that hole, and then
Speaker 3: you could like give them to other people that need
Speaker 3: a toothpick.
Speaker 1: Cool.
Speaker 4: I think people you can put like a Roman candle
Speaker 4: in there.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, cigarette or not, all sorts of I'm
Speaker 2: going to cancel the surgery. I'm going to keep it
Speaker 2: like this. This seems great.
Speaker 1: Keep the keep the hole. There's too much cool stuff
Speaker 1: you could do with that hole.
Speaker 2: Dude, man, I had twenty years of this hole and
Speaker 2: I didn't know what to do with it.
Speaker 3: Now you're running out of time.
Speaker 4: I'm still pretty lost.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm the only one who has not had a
Speaker 1: surgery during the fire escape tenure cave up.
Speaker 4: I know we'll figure something out.
Speaker 1: That's right. Bones broke bones, there's never got them fixed.
Speaker 1: I think I.
Speaker 2: Broke another knuckle. Maybe Mary you broke this one.
Speaker 3: I'm not liable. I'm not liable for that. I was
Speaker 3: the one in the room when it happened.
Speaker 2: Well, that's true.
Speaker 5: The one right next to it has not been bending
Speaker 5: right and it's been hurting in it ever since. That's
Speaker 5: when I smashed the vege slicer on it, and like
Speaker 5: all the bleeding stuff is long done. That was weeks ago,
Speaker 5: but I still can't bend it right. And I did
Speaker 5: close the veget slicer on the knuckle.
Speaker 1: I don't I think you're talking about the veggie slicer
Speaker 1: as if we've talked about it. But I don't think
Speaker 1: we've talked about it, Mary, unless I'm mistaken.
Speaker 5: Oh, short version, I slammed my hand and a veggie
Speaker 5: slicer gathered all over the blaze.
Speaker 1: Talk Wait, was the blood from just like crushing it
Speaker 1: or did the actual blade hit your hand.
Speaker 5: A bunch of the blades because it was one of
Speaker 5: those like fine like like waffle ticktac toe.
Speaker 2: Things, And.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was cleaning it and I like dropped it,
Speaker 5: and as I dropped it, I somehow put my right
Speaker 5: hand into it and slammed it shut with the left hand.
Speaker 5: I don't know how that happened. But I just looked
Speaker 5: down and it hurt real bad for a second, and
Speaker 5: I just saw blood start pouring out like five different cuts,
Speaker 5: and so I just like wrapped a towel around he
Speaker 5: real quickness, like buck. She just runs in and she
Speaker 5: she told me, like she's seen this before. We're I'll
Speaker 5: just be yelling and she's like, I'm gonna walk into
Speaker 5: the room and I don't know what I'm going about
Speaker 5: to see and it's just me, just blood all over
Speaker 5: a towel and no, she cleaned me up and stuff.
Speaker 5: So but it still won't bend, right.
Speaker 3: Was it your vegetables? Yeah, okay, so you used the
Speaker 3: vegetable slicer properly and then upon cleaning, you destroyed your hand.
Speaker 2: That's great, Okay, just making sure.
Speaker 4: Sure that's how you messed your hand up, to.
Speaker 3: Make sure I understand that it wasn't in the process
Speaker 3: of like slicing cucumbers.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I burnt it on the air fryer like an
Speaker 1: hour ago too. Okay, I take it back. You really
Speaker 1: should not cook like this is. We've mead the whole
Speaker 1: situation pretty good.
Speaker 4: At there's blades held of that sometimes.
Speaker 3: He almost chopped his finger off microwaving a factor meal.
Speaker 4: Yeah, job hazard of being Dan Riker.
Speaker 5: I'm getting used to it. I'm getting a little more
Speaker 5: used to it now. I still keep getting hurt over
Speaker 5: and over again.
Speaker 3: But yeah, you gotta be careful with your fings. You
Speaker 3: only get so many of those bad boys, and they're
Speaker 3: pretty valuable. I feel like you need them, especially to
Speaker 3: do your job. You know, like there's really though fxterity.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's not like I'm talking about stuff way
Speaker 5: more than I'm like playing stuff for typing stuff these days,
Speaker 5: I can talk.
Speaker 3: But if you had eight fingers, do you think that
Speaker 3: you would be as good at your job?
Speaker 2: I mean, I played a bunch of games with the
Speaker 2: broken finger, and that was nine.
Speaker 3: I said eight, and that the other ones are gone.
Speaker 2: Oh they're just missing entirely.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can pick which ones all.
Speaker 2: I'd make it work. There's great strides and accessibility these days.
Speaker 3: It's true. I do think you're making a lot of
Speaker 3: excuses for you to lose fingers.
Speaker 2: I don't, For the record, I don't want to lose
Speaker 2: any part of my body.
Speaker 3: You'd like to keep them?
Speaker 5: All I'm gonna get I'm adding to it I'm putting
Speaker 5: a fake tooth in there himself.
Speaker 4: Soon he'll be unstoppable.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's gonna have eleven fingers and no holes.
Speaker 2: Gonna be like three more shoulders. Yeah, it's like dis
Speaker 2: x mankind divided. I would do that.
Speaker 5: I would do, like seriously, if it was like a
Speaker 5: reputable company and it wasn't some like weird neuralink elon
Speaker 5: musk thing. I would just if they were like, yeah,
Speaker 5: we can chop off your head and give you a
Speaker 5: good robot body and it's safe, I would absolutely do it.
Speaker 3: We can rebuild him, we can fill the holes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, my holes, what I say to the doctor, Yeah,
Speaker 5: why are they looking at me?
Speaker 2: Weird?
Speaker 3: They love it? Well, I'm glad we have no back.
Speaker 3: Did you have me?
Speaker 2: Mike, Mike, get out of the disorges. Talk about the
Speaker 2: glitterists all day, Mike, Mike, stop talking. They jacked off
Speaker 2: in a right for us.
Speaker 5: We got to just kick him out of kick him
Speaker 5: out of the call, kick him out, kick him out.
Speaker 4: That poor man, that's my best friend.
Speaker 3: He did say those things.
Speaker 2: Though he did say those things, it's true.
Speaker 1: Doesn't know where the glitterist is.
Speaker 3: What else is going on? I feel like he does,
Speaker 3: I'm sure leave him alone. I send him a bunch
Speaker 3: of salt.
Speaker 2: Mike, Yeah, we had.
Speaker 3: We had a nice conversation over Christmas break or somewhere
Speaker 3: around there games the Game Awards where we were talking
Speaker 3: about salt and he had only had like one kind,
Speaker 3: and so I asked for his address, and I sent
Speaker 3: him three different types of chicken salt so that he
Speaker 3: could taste them and taste the differences of them.
Speaker 4: Was it that Portland company that you gave us finishing
Speaker 4: salt from?
Speaker 3: No, but I do really like the finishing. We're big
Speaker 3: salt people here, but this is more of an Australian
Speaker 3: thing because Australians like chicken salt on their fries. It's
Speaker 3: just salt that's flavored like chicken. It usually has MSG,
Speaker 3: but it's like a heavy flavor component there, so you're
Speaker 3: not just having salted anything, you're having chicken flavored salt. Anyway,
Speaker 3: we have three different types of chicken salt in this
Speaker 3: house because it's a big deal, and I sent all
Speaker 3: three different types to Mike so he could taste the
Speaker 3: differences of them.
Speaker 2: Is he reported back?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he liked the one that had the most MSG,
Speaker 3: which I think is okay the.
Speaker 5: Word on MSG these days, because I feel like in
Speaker 5: the nineties it was like whoa, we got to put
Speaker 5: no MSG on the packaging and stuff, and like now
Speaker 5: you don't ever hear about it, so are we just
Speaker 5: cool with MSG now?
Speaker 2: I don't even know what it is.
Speaker 3: I think it was like a satanic panic type thing
Speaker 3: where everyone was like, no one could determine it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: nobody could actually like mono making sure that it actually
Speaker 3: was anything. And it is just a form of salt,
Speaker 3: so it's not for you. It doesn't give you headaches.
Speaker 1: And I thought it was she was a form of sugar.
Speaker 2: What does Satan have to do with it?
Speaker 4: No, she's just saying it's like comparing it to Okay,
Speaker 4: I thought it was.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a kind of sugar that's like
Speaker 1: supposed to be a I think the narrative was that
Speaker 1: it's people put it in food to addict you. That
Speaker 1: was the narrative. And like the early aughts.
Speaker 3: Oh, I thought it was that it gave people headaches.
Speaker 2: It sounds like it's okay. Now I'm looking at it now,
Speaker 2: it seems.
Speaker 3: Sounds like it's okay. Yeah, it's it's always been okay.
Speaker 3: And now culturally it's being more accepted. And I think
Speaker 3: Mike is also right in the sense that like there's
Speaker 3: a little there's like a tinge of racism in there
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm saying that too.
Speaker 3: It's an Asian food thing, and like we don't want
Speaker 3: that at our food And it's like it's freaking salt.
Speaker 3: Like let it go.
Speaker 1: Speak assault and headaches and a mystery ingredient and French fries.
Speaker 4: I got quite a segue. It's gonna connect all four
Speaker 4: of those things.
Speaker 3: I'm really excited about this.
Speaker 1: Have you ever talked to anybody who says that the
Speaker 1: sulfights in red wine give them headaches?
Speaker 2: You know, not really talking to many people about wine,
Speaker 2: to be.
Speaker 1: Sure, But the people who think that they're allergic to
Speaker 1: sulfights in red wine love to bring it up. It's
Speaker 1: like being it's like CrossFit or being vegan. They can't
Speaker 1: now talk about it. Sure, there are more sulfights in
Speaker 1: the average French fry than there are in a bottle
Speaker 1: of red wine. The amount of sulfur that's added to
Speaker 1: stabilize a wine after or to stop fermentation, or to
Speaker 1: clarify it. And this is after six weeks of studying
Speaker 1: taking night classes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you've also been screencapping his Instagram stories about
Speaker 5: wine and my father and so much.
Speaker 1: No, I'm just saying anybody who thinks that red wine
Speaker 1: gives them headaches because the sulfights you're there's more cellfites
Speaker 1: in French fries than there are in red wine. You're
Speaker 1: probably getting a headache because you're not drinking water and
Speaker 1: you're drinking too much red wine.
Speaker 4: That's probably what's doing it.
Speaker 1: Or maybe there's some other chemical in red wine that's
Speaker 1: giving you a headache that white wine doesn't. But it's
Speaker 1: not cell fites. Yeah, dumb asses, No, tannins are tannins.
Speaker 1: I guess you could have a reaction. If you're allergic
Speaker 1: to grape skin, then you might have a bad reaction.
Speaker 3: Red wine makes me fight. What's in the red wine
Speaker 3: that does that?
Speaker 1: Higher alcohol content?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't feel any difference between the Oh, if
Speaker 5: I have tequila, I'm gonna have a crazy night, or
Speaker 5: if I have this, it's gonna make me be sad
Speaker 5: or something. Every alcohol I've ever had has the exact
Speaker 5: same effect on me.
Speaker 2: Is that normal?
Speaker 1: I feel like wine I'm more mellow if I have
Speaker 1: a few too many.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, I guess you're right on that.
Speaker 1: But there's also like sparkling wine and bubbly drinks, carbon
Speaker 1: dioxide can contribute to getting you a bit woozier. So
Speaker 1: it might feel you're gtting quote unquote drunk more quickly,
Speaker 1: but the carbon dioxide is playing into that, so you're
Speaker 1: not You're not imagining it. If like champagne is getting
Speaker 1: you drunk more quickly, it's it's just not just alcohol.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know. I last I read and
Speaker 1: this stuff I feel like changes every year, and then
Speaker 1: I end up sounding stupid. So I'm just gonna say
Speaker 1: it as if this is the current science. I don't
Speaker 1: think mixing drinks ever had a negative effect. It was
Speaker 1: more that you're drinking liquors with different alcoholic contents, so
Speaker 1: like you're not pacing yourself. Sure as if you're drinking
Speaker 1: one thing. Please the doctors who listen to us tell us.
Speaker 1: And we've had this conversation before, Yeah, several times.
Speaker 5: I currently of the mind that like, oh, the o
Speaker 5: beer before liquor or mixing alcohols and stuff is a
Speaker 5: bunch of hohoy.
Speaker 2: It seems no.
Speaker 1: Wait, wait, wait, wait, we did get the email about
Speaker 1: the beer before liquor thing, and there is some truth
Speaker 1: to it. Oh, let me look at it's gonna take
Speaker 1: me foreverything something would like agitate the bubbles would agitate
Speaker 1: your stomach lining more.
Speaker 2: So I learned something if it takes five more seconds.
Speaker 1: Someone someone sent it in like two years ago, and
Speaker 1: it was something about if you start with a certain one.
Speaker 1: I think it was the more bubbly liquids, it would
Speaker 1: agitate your stomach lining and then allow.
Speaker 3: More before liquor. Never sicker.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I guess maybe there is a but mixing
Speaker 1: drinks in general.
Speaker 4: I think maybe that's where that comes from.
Speaker 3: I disagree every time I mix drinks, I do get
Speaker 3: a little bit more sick. And it doesn't mean that
Speaker 3: I've had six drinks. If I have three drinks, which
Speaker 3: I did last night. I had a rum drink because
Speaker 3: it was the launch of that new Lotus and I
Speaker 3: always like to have like a tropical drink because I'm
Speaker 3: on vacation when I'm watching White Lotus. And then I
Speaker 3: had a whiskey drink because I felt like it. And
Speaker 3: then I had a vibe could drink because it was
Speaker 3: getting close to the end of the evening and I
Speaker 3: didn't feel super great this morning. That's only three drinks.
Speaker 3: I can drink three drinks, but I think the mixing
Speaker 3: confused my tummy, and it was I can get that.
Speaker 3: Make up your mind, lady, So I think that. I
Speaker 3: do think mixing alcohol different types of liquor can get me.
Speaker 3: But more than anything, red wine just puts up some
Speaker 3: of my defenses or something like that. And for whatever reason,
Speaker 3: if I have like a bottle of red wine and
Speaker 3: someone crosses me, I'm more likely to tell them I'm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're yeah. There's literally more alcohol in the vast
Speaker 1: majority of red wines because by definition, the most of
Speaker 1: the red wines will need to ripen more on the
Speaker 1: veins so.
Speaker 2: They develop drunk.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's just the alcohol. I am a
Speaker 3: very considerate drunk. I think that there's something about red
Speaker 3: wine that makes me more irritable while I'm drunk. So
Speaker 3: I am drunk, but I'm also like, I don't like it,
Speaker 3: like there's something going on.
Speaker 4: It could be something.
Speaker 1: I'm not bar it's just not unless unless you also
Speaker 1: get pissed off when you eat French fries, then maybe
Speaker 1: it is sulfites.
Speaker 2: But the opposite pissed off.
Speaker 3: Sedate me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so maybe there's something in red wine. There could
Speaker 1: be some sort of allergen that you react poorly to.
Speaker 1: But also again, a bottle of red wine is anywhere
Speaker 1: from thirteen to fifteen percent alcohol, and there's outliers, but
Speaker 1: that's the general range the white wine is gonna be.
Speaker 1: I mean, white wine could be like eleven to fourteen
Speaker 1: or even lower if it's a sweet wine.
Speaker 2: Man, I had a bottle of wine and a bunch
Speaker 2: of beers last night and all I did was played
Speaker 2: like ten hours of about that.
Speaker 1: Sounds pretty seed.
Speaker 2: It was awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a good Sunday, three day weekend Sunday fun.
Speaker 4: Well, speaking of do you want to talk about video games?
Speaker 3: Let's do it.
Speaker 1: Sure, Okay, we're coming off of an episode of not
Speaker 1: talking about new games. What was the newest game we
Speaker 1: talked about in Yeah that No, it's Diablow too.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Think that's it. It might have been elden Ring. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I don't think we talked about a newer game than
Speaker 1: elden Ring. Last tea on the top one hundred or
Speaker 1: top sixty four games.
Speaker 2: Well, probably the newest one eighties.
Speaker 1: We talked about a lot, but that was twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: But anyway, Yeah, we didn't talk about new games last episode,
Speaker 1: and the odd slot of February is also well upon us. Dan,
Speaker 1: you have been texting me full disclosure, I have not
Speaker 1: started Avowed because I'm playing a lot of other stuff
Speaker 1: and I want to. It seems like a game I
Speaker 1: want to just like dive into and not deviate from
Speaker 1: and stack up other games. Yes, but uh, you seem
Speaker 1: to really like a Vowed.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and good call on that, mic, because yeah, I
Speaker 5: have two other games that I'm sure the embarger will
Speaker 5: be up by the time this goes up, but no
Speaker 5: point really saying what they are. But like other games
Speaker 5: that I want to play, But I was so into
Speaker 5: a Vow that it's like, I Am not going to
Speaker 5: touch anything until I'm done with this and then I'll
Speaker 5: all get to this other stuff. But Avowed right before
Speaker 5: we record it tonight, I I'm on the definite final
Speaker 5: stretch of the game.
Speaker 2: It was definitely already. I've played fifty hours of it.
Speaker 3: Wow, I can't believe you've burned through that many hours
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, I've known like eight to ten hour days,
Speaker 5: like pretty much since it came out, Like, I fucking
Speaker 5: love this game, and it was none on my radar
Speaker 5: at all, Like I like Skyrim, I like a Blive
Speaker 5: and follow that three of the Bethesda style things, but like,
Speaker 5: you know, like the story heavy RPG is not exactly
Speaker 5: my genre, but I figured I'd give it a shot
Speaker 5: and got a code for it, and it's like, all right,
Speaker 5: well it's you know, it's it seems to be a
Speaker 5: pretty dewey one of those. And as soon as I started,
Speaker 5: like going through the tutorial and it's like, okay, kill
Speaker 5: these lizard dudes, It's like, oh shit, that felt really good.
Speaker 5: Oh wow, okay, wow, the dodge is really good. Here
Speaker 5: the pairing and blocking and oh shit, okay I can
Speaker 5: get magic. The magic feels really good and it's really
Speaker 5: easy to switch between all these different to you know,
Speaker 5: if you want to do a bow, if you want
Speaker 5: to do a gun, if you want to do magic.
Speaker 5: Like there's just a lot of freedom in this game
Speaker 5: and the way you approach combat, your character, exploring the world,
Speaker 5: and like all of it pays off in a major way.
Speaker 5: Like I think exploring is so much better than I expected,
Speaker 5: Like the moving around is great, the like parkouring around stuff.
Speaker 5: It's kind of that thing of like I almost like
Speaker 5: breaking it in a way that like, Okay, I'm probably
Speaker 5: not supposed to be able to go over this rock
Speaker 5: cliff here, I'm probably supposed to find like an entrance,
Speaker 5: but you can kind of like you know what, in
Speaker 5: Skyrim you could do that where you just kind of
Speaker 5: like jump diagonally up like a thing or whatever, and
Speaker 5: you kind of felt like you're cheating in a way,
Speaker 5: but it was like fun, and there's some of that here.
Speaker 3: But I think it's intentional though, Like I think they
Speaker 3: are trying to get you to play. I think I
Speaker 3: recognized as well. I'm also playing it, but I'm not
Speaker 3: nearly as far as you. I'm a couple hours in,
Speaker 3: and I think in the very beginning they're like, hey,
Speaker 3: this building probably has some stuff in it. You can
Speaker 3: walk by it and not go into it. You can
Speaker 3: go in through the front door and you can fight
Speaker 3: the stuff. Or what I ended up doing was I
Speaker 3: was like looking around, and there's boxes you can climb
Speaker 3: to get to the roof and then drop in through
Speaker 3: the ceiling and surprise them, which is what I did.
Speaker 3: And I thought it was really cool that they gave
Speaker 3: you lots of options, including you don't have to fricking
Speaker 3: go in there. They wasn't a part of the main quest.
Speaker 3: There's lots of side places that let you play the
Speaker 3: way you want or just avoid it altogether, which I
Speaker 3: think makes me feel like I have a lot of autonomy.
Speaker 3: But it made me feel like I was cheating a
Speaker 3: little bit, but it's clearly designed that way, but it
Speaker 3: felt good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like there are times where it's like
Speaker 5: you'll just approach like a house on the side of
Speaker 5: the road, and it's like, okay, well you could open
Speaker 5: this door if you want to burn through four of
Speaker 5: your lock picks, or you could find the actual key
Speaker 5: to this barn which is somewhere, and I anytime I
Speaker 5: saw that, I'm like, I'm finding the like bespoke key.
Speaker 5: I'm not just like burning through my lock picks for this.
Speaker 5: And yeah, just like searching around. There's lots of little stories,
Speaker 5: a lot of like little you know, diaries and notepads
Speaker 5: to read and it's like, oh, I wonder what happened
Speaker 5: to this skeleton who looked like it died crying on
Speaker 5: a cliff or whatever, you know, it's like, yeah, that
Speaker 5: stuff is just kind of littered throughout the whole world.
Speaker 5: But it's not like I feel like with open world
Speaker 5: games there was definitely this period and like maybe the
Speaker 5: three sixty ish era where they were obsessed with like
Speaker 5: square mileage or even going back to like you know,
Speaker 5: Sanadreas and PS two open world games, where.
Speaker 2: It's like you could get twenty of that map into
Speaker 2: this map. We're not that pussy small map. We're a big,
Speaker 2: big dig map here, like that was the whole thing.
Speaker 2: It's just like how big the fucking map would be?
Speaker 2: And this is like in terms of square mileage. It's
Speaker 2: not like I'm sure, I don't know, but it wouldn't
Speaker 2: sprise me with like a Skyrim or a Fallout four
Speaker 2: or something's bigger. But I do feel like everything is
Speaker 2: just kind of crafted and interesting and well thought out
Speaker 2: here that made me enjoy exploring this world a lot more.
Speaker 2: Which it is, like it's numerous different open zones. It's
Speaker 2: not one big square so it's like you'll spend you know,
Speaker 2: ten twelve hours in Dawn Shore, then you'll move on
Speaker 2: to em World Sarah, and there's like four of these
Speaker 2: different spots here but yeah, I had a ton of
Speaker 2: thoughts while I was playing this because I was very surprised.
Speaker 5: When I was playing it, I was thinking, like, this
Speaker 5: is a killer game. I feel like this is like
Speaker 5: in terms of just the game mechanics, like this is
Speaker 5: like the standard for the genre now for me.
Speaker 1: And then the.
Speaker 5: Reviews came out, and I think largely they were positive,
Speaker 5: Like when I last looked, it was a like an
Speaker 5: eight m Metacritic, but there were definitely some like sixes
Speaker 5: out there. I think IGNN game Spot both gave it
Speaker 5: a six, and you know, I was just kind of
Speaker 5: reading around. I was like, Okay, I want to see
Speaker 5: kind of what the common complaints are here and everything,
Speaker 5: and I saw some of the more negative reviews or
Speaker 5: kind of medium reviews were like, okay, yeah, we played
Speaker 5: thirty hours of this game, and I remember when I
Speaker 5: read that, I was like, I'm over thirty hours in
Speaker 5: it right now, and I feel like I barely started.
Speaker 5: I'm like, you know, just finishing up the second area.
Speaker 5: And it really got me thinking about just that nature
Speaker 5: of getting games early and trying to rush through them
Speaker 5: to review them.
Speaker 3: Great, because you would need to hit embargo and say
Speaker 3: you're running out of time and these have this game
Speaker 3: in particular, in my opinion, I have like eight side
Speaker 3: quests already and I just started. So if you're not
Speaker 3: doing those side quests and you're not really exploring that game,
Speaker 3: you're probably missing a good chunk of what's fun about it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you're not just missing you are definitely missing
Speaker 5: some really fun side quests, like some of those are
Speaker 5: the best quests in the game. But also, I think
Speaker 5: you're doing yourself a disservice in terms of what you're
Speaker 5: doing in the main quest, because I do think that,
Speaker 5: you know, in a lot of the more negative reviews,
Speaker 5: I saw complaints about, like, oh, the crafting system. I
Speaker 5: feel like I was always overwhelmed and I was dying
Speaker 5: too much. I never had strong enough gear, and I
Speaker 5: was reading that stuff and I was like, I've never
Speaker 5: run into that. I've never felt like I've died, but
Speaker 5: I feel like I've been dying the right amount, you know, Like,
Speaker 5: and so I think, like, oh shit, I guess you're
Speaker 5: rushing through this. You're missing front of stuff gear, You're
Speaker 5: not prepared, you don't have good gear. So like I've
Speaker 5: definitely been telling people, like, do the side stuff.
Speaker 2: It is good. It is worth it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're leveling up your character, which you need.
Speaker 3: The I'm curious how you're leveling right now. I have
Speaker 3: I think there's three. There's warrior abilities, there's ranger abilities,
Speaker 3: and then there's uh magic Yeah, I was gonna call
Speaker 3: it magic man abilities, but wizardry. I think it's the
Speaker 3: right one. Yeah, and I went magic Man and so
Speaker 3: I'm shooting these like balls out and doing a lot
Speaker 3: of damage. Those are all upgradeable significantly. And I think
Speaker 3: you can also upgrade your the people that you're with.
Speaker 3: And so if you're not doing this stuff, you're not
Speaker 3: upgrading yourself and your your companions, you're gonna be pretty
Speaker 3: weak sauce for those later bosses.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And like the gear upgrading stuff I thought was great.
Speaker 5: Like it's not the most like intricate, uh you know system,
Speaker 5: It's just like, okay, well, these type of things require
Speaker 5: these two items, and these require these two leveled up
Speaker 5: versions of those items, so you can combine things to
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 2: It's it's all very well thought out.
Speaker 5: But like, you know, you've got your which I'm sure
Speaker 5: if you're a wizard, you've got the wand which is
Speaker 5: like infinite, Like there's no finite AMMO for.
Speaker 3: Any of your right now, mostly the grim War.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so that's the thing is like, that's what I
Speaker 5: love about Wizard is I've got the grim War in
Speaker 5: my left hand and a wand in my right. So
Speaker 5: it's like you can boom boom bom boom, like kind
Speaker 5: of range throw magic at him, but then you can
Speaker 5: grimwore throw fireballs or rain ice down on them and
Speaker 5: stuff like that.
Speaker 3: And the switch your load out really fast, which I
Speaker 3: really like because I'm I'm mostly a distance combat person.
Speaker 3: I very rarely have a sword or a mallet. It's
Speaker 3: usually like a bow and then my wizard skills, and
Speaker 3: so it was really neat for me when I ran
Speaker 3: out of I forget what they call mana, but when
Speaker 3: you run out of juice, I would whatever and I
Speaker 3: would switch to my bow and then I would bow
Speaker 3: them to death. And it was kind of sick that.
Speaker 3: I like, it's a quick swap button and so what's
Speaker 3: really nice to essentially like use all my magic pop up,
Speaker 3: pop pop up, hit them with a bunch of balls.
Speaker 3: I killed a bear this way, and then I when
Speaker 3: I ran out of magic, I switched right to my
Speaker 3: bow and I just did mad head shots with my
Speaker 3: bow until he was down and it felt great.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's the Y button on Xbox to switch,
Speaker 5: and it's just like switching guns and Call of Duty.
Speaker 5: So it's like switching to a launcher to knock down
Speaker 5: on a UAP or something. But like there's also rings
Speaker 5: and accessories and stuff, so if you want to like, okay,
Speaker 5: it's very important to me that I'm switching between stuff frequently.
Speaker 5: Like no, put on a necklist that makes it plus
Speaker 5: forty percent you know, equip you know, speed and stuff
Speaker 5: like that, so and you can like you don't really
Speaker 5: get too pigeonholed into your skill tree because like most
Speaker 5: of my stuff was in Wizard, Like I'd say ninety
Speaker 5: plus percent of my upgrades I put into a Wizard,
Speaker 5: but I would look at the Ranger stuff. I would
Speaker 5: look at it and it's like, oh shit, this ranger
Speaker 5: ability lets me like get twice as many like crafting
Speaker 5: materials when I pick up these things, or you know, oh,
Speaker 5: this chargeability would be good from the Fighter Warrior thing
Speaker 5: because then I could knock down walls with this charge thing.
Speaker 5: So it is very easy to just kind of like
Speaker 5: you don't have to like put a billion points into
Speaker 5: a tree that you don't care about. You can just
Speaker 5: cherry pick, like I want that thing and then you
Speaker 5: know stay the course of the wizard and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: So can you respect if I like have way through
Speaker 3: the game, I'm like, I actually do want to be
Speaker 3: a warrior? Can I switch? What does it cost me?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 5: I don't know if it goes up every time. I
Speaker 5: did it once and it cost me like a thousand gold,
Speaker 5: which is not much at all. No, yeah, okay, Yeah,
Speaker 5: money comes pretty easily in this, so yeah, you can
Speaker 5: respect any time.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 5: And it's just like it's very easy because like the
Speaker 5: weapons are simple to like again, you don't have to
Speaker 5: live up a bunch of different trees. Like I did
Speaker 5: not have warrior stuff at all, but if I found
Speaker 5: this super unique you know, exquisite battle axe or something,
Speaker 5: I could pull that out despite not having any like
Speaker 5: points that go into like you know heavy weapon abilities
Speaker 5: and stuff like that. So and it's got all the
Speaker 5: usual RPG you know, speech check stuff and everything, and
Speaker 5: you know intellect and perception and things like that that
Speaker 5: you know open up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the dialogue options have been really interesting. What did
Speaker 3: you go with? I went with uh, I went with
Speaker 3: like a shady guy court.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think me, you and Bank all did the
Speaker 2: exact same.
Speaker 3: I know I was with a court Auger.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think I will go ranger for the Wreckord. I'm
Speaker 3: much more early on than you. But for my first
Speaker 3: round I did Wizard just because I wanted to see
Speaker 3: what the magic balls were. Like, you can't just say
Speaker 3: shoot three balls of magic that do damage and have
Speaker 3: me not be like, well, I know what a sword
Speaker 3: and a bo do, but gotta I know what three
Speaker 3: balls do.
Speaker 5: Yes, Mary, that's awesome because like, let's say you like
Speaker 5: having a Let's say you're a warrior and you've got
Speaker 5: a sword and shield. You could put a point into
Speaker 5: that like missile salvo, magic salvo ability and just map
Speaker 5: it to your dpad, So no matter what weapons you
Speaker 5: have equipped or anything, you could have your sword and
Speaker 5: shield out. But you see a dude up there and
Speaker 5: it's kind of sniping you, you can just look up there,
Speaker 5: hit a deepad magic missile stuff going that way.
Speaker 3: I do need to do that because I found it
Speaker 3: a little irritated. So I'm not as Yeah, I keep
Speaker 3: saying this, but like I think I still have a
Speaker 3: couple qualms of this game that I haven't solved yet
Speaker 3: that it looks like you've had the time to solve.
Speaker 3: And one of them is is that like, uh, I'm
Speaker 3: hitting right bumper to find my magic abilities. It's also
Speaker 3: how you can tell your partner what to do, which
Speaker 3: you need to do because my partner has an agro.
Speaker 3: So when I'm fighting a giant bear, for example, I
Speaker 3: need my partner to agro the bear so that I
Speaker 3: don't fricking die so that I can shoot him with balls.
Speaker 3: So I was constantly like right, left bumper, find my agro.
Speaker 3: Agro the guy, left bumper, find my magic magic missile.
Speaker 3: I think a dpad would be so much smoother for me,
Speaker 3: but I haven't short mapped anything yet.
Speaker 2: Quick Miro, Oh yeah, it's super simple.
Speaker 5: So just when you go into that radio menu, so
Speaker 5: you hit LB, just highlight anything and just tap a
Speaker 5: deepad thing. RB is your grenade. But then up down, left,
Speaker 5: right you can have anything. So if that can be
Speaker 5: companions step too. So if you know, every time into
Speaker 5: a fight you want him to draw a fire map,
Speaker 5: it to up and then every time a fight starts
Speaker 5: to tap up you're good to go. But they will
Speaker 5: also do that stuff of their own volition in combat.
Speaker 5: But there are certain ones where you just want to
Speaker 5: be like, okay, use the vines and wrap that guy
Speaker 5: up right now.
Speaker 3: You know you want control over that. The vines are yea, yeah,
Speaker 3: I want the vines. Those are the ones that they
Speaker 3: prevent you from walking forward. I was curious and we
Speaker 3: were talking about intelligence and things like that. So because
Speaker 3: I went with a build that was a bit smarter,
Speaker 3: I had more intelligence options and I can kind of
Speaker 3: tell when people are lying, or I can kind of
Speaker 3: I get like, I think a bit of a warning
Speaker 3: in my dialogue options that are like that' sus. There
Speaker 3: was a lady who was in a jail cell that
Speaker 3: had like a couple lies that she told me, and
Speaker 3: so I called her out on them, and she admitted
Speaker 3: that she was lying, and then later it was like
Speaker 3: you have a key? Do you want to unlock her?
Speaker 3: And it's interesting because if you didn't have that much
Speaker 3: of intelligence and you didn't call her out she didn't
Speaker 3: come clean about lying to you, you might have not
Speaker 3: opened up the gate and been like you're a liar,
Speaker 3: like we don't trust you. But I ended up unlocking
Speaker 3: the gate and she was beneficial and she didn't try
Speaker 3: and kill me. So it's really it's I do like
Speaker 3: that type of world building, same thing with Skyrim, where
Speaker 3: you can essentially be like this person might be a
Speaker 3: liar and I don't know the full story, but you
Speaker 3: trust people are not based on the dialogue options that
Speaker 3: you have.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and there are big like you know, that was
Speaker 5: one of the early ones where it's like, you know, oh,
Speaker 5: I wonder if I should trust or not because like
Speaker 5: and it doesn't make it, you know, super duper obvious
Speaker 5: with some and some of them have huge ramifications for
Speaker 5: like basically who you're siding with and things like that
Speaker 5: and what's gonna happen the fate of certain characters, and
Speaker 5: so there were a lot of decisions where I was like, man,
Speaker 5: I can't decide what to do here, And a lot
Speaker 5: of times before you have to say like this or that,
Speaker 5: you can say like, let me check with my companions.
Speaker 5: And depending on because there's four companions you can get
Speaker 5: in the game, and you can have two with you
Speaker 5: at any given time, and so depending on which two
Speaker 5: you get, like one of them, like you might be like, oh,
Speaker 5: should I kill this person or let them go. You know,
Speaker 5: you might have someone in your party that's like, no,
Speaker 5: they killed my fucking family. Fuck them, let's throw them
Speaker 5: into a volcano. And then you might have others that
Speaker 5: are like, yeah, she sucks, but like also we have
Speaker 5: to kind of see, like so it's really interesting, like
Speaker 5: kind of like huddling with your dudes and be like,
Speaker 5: I don't know, should we do something here, like actually
Speaker 5: hearing them out and I've made this and.
Speaker 3: Their own biases too, right, yeah they might not be right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's incredibly well written. I love the Companion
Speaker 5: except for the last one. Last one. I know I
Speaker 5: do not like that last companion. You'll know when you see.
Speaker 2: It's that the yeah, the second, the second I saw,
Speaker 2: What the fuck is this? I've seen like several review
Speaker 2: horny reviewers called her out wait, like pro horny.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: There was like a pull quote on a review that
Speaker 1: I saw that says something about like the permanently horny
Speaker 1: mage Yachtsley is fun.
Speaker 2: To be horny.
Speaker 5: I thought you were saying people were horny for Yatley,
Speaker 5: which would be no, I don't know, weird.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, that's funny. Yes, she is horny. Her character is.
Speaker 3: First of all, you're allowed to be horny for a maze.
Speaker 2: You haven't seen it.
Speaker 5: You haven't seen Yachtley, I haven't seen. If anyone's horny
Speaker 5: for y, they need to go to jail.
Speaker 3: Based on visual or based on how they after both
Speaker 3: a little bit.
Speaker 2: At just more than like, I think it would be illegal.
Speaker 5: This is just a weird animal, weird Harley Quinn something
Speaker 5: or other like, I just yeah.
Speaker 2: You should just just go to jail. Okay, check yourself
Speaker 2: into a jail if you have sex with.
Speaker 3: I really like the guy I have now. He's Blue.
Speaker 3: I like him. I think that he's really consistent, he's
Speaker 3: not annoying. He's been very helpful so far, and his
Speaker 3: attacks have been beneficial to me in battle. So I
Speaker 3: like this guy.
Speaker 1: Guy.
Speaker 3: I'm going to keep him around.
Speaker 5: That fire like blunderbusting he's got that can burn like
Speaker 5: vine very effective.
Speaker 3: Burning in general is very effective in this game, or
Speaker 3: at least in the island I'm in now, because I
Speaker 3: can't tell you many times it's like damn, there's thorns
Speaker 3: in the way, and it's like not for me, not
Speaker 3: for me. And Blue Boy because he can burn right
Speaker 3: through them, So it's it's been nice to have him around,
Speaker 3: but I have historically had problems with annoying sidekicks, Like
Speaker 3: it's easy for me to just kind of get tired
Speaker 3: of people who are around trying to help me out.
Speaker 5: What have you.
Speaker 3: I you saying, it's well written, but I'm just curious
Speaker 3: just because of the amount of dialogue in this game,
Speaker 3: and as someone who is just such a more dewey person,
Speaker 3: this might just be me because I don't gravitate towards
Speaker 3: games like Oblivion. This is not my bad. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: still find it really talky with You can talk to
Speaker 3: them at the fire when you camp for the night,
Speaker 3: and they'll have a little asterisk over their head if
Speaker 3: they have something to talk to you about. And so
Speaker 3: I was like, let's see what they have to say.
Speaker 3: And it was like a novel of crap that he
Speaker 3: had to say to me that I did not give
Speaker 3: a shit about. And I ended up speeding through it,
Speaker 3: which I don't think you're supposed to do to really
Speaker 3: appreciate that game, but I did. And I just I
Speaker 3: just want to say that from my perspective, it's like
Speaker 3: more of a dewey person. I thought it was a
Speaker 3: lot of texts like and.
Speaker 5: You know, I think we're wired the same with that stuff.
Speaker 5: And just to ease your mind with that, I think
Speaker 5: each character has that opening salvo of just like tell
Speaker 5: me about yourself, where are you from?
Speaker 2: What's your deal? You know, like what do you like?
Speaker 5: And that's what you do with Kai And it's like
Speaker 5: a lot and I don't know if you got the
Speaker 5: thing when you do that, like it's like, oh, he
Speaker 5: taught you this thing and you got like plus two
Speaker 5: permanent perception bonus or something it did.
Speaker 3: Which is why I was like, I'll do that again.
Speaker 3: But I did speed through it and didn't actually read
Speaker 3: or listen or care. And I think that that's a
Speaker 3: bit of a that's a bit of a knock on
Speaker 3: myself for not probably playing the game I'm supposed to.
Speaker 3: But I'm also just saying it was a lot to read.
Speaker 5: I'll say the story stuff is good like all that.
Speaker 5: All those conversations with the companions I thought were good.
Speaker 5: But just to ease your mind when you go back
Speaker 5: to the party camp in the future, if you have
Speaker 5: done that opening, you know, what your deal.
Speaker 2: What's your backstory?
Speaker 5: Like there's everyone has that first like here's seven questions
Speaker 5: and things. You go down and that's it going forward.
Speaker 5: After a big story beat or something, you might go
Speaker 5: back and there's a little thing over Kai's head and he'll.
Speaker 2: Just be like, man, that was fucked up back there.
Speaker 5: Hopefully things are better, and then that's it, Like you've
Speaker 5: you're not going to have another like thing, not going
Speaker 5: to tell me.
Speaker 3: A mountain back story because he's already told me his
Speaker 3: ex r those.
Speaker 2: Yeah, each there's three companions.
Speaker 5: Each one of them has one longer sequence of kind
Speaker 5: of getting to know him at the camp, and then
Speaker 5: once you do that, it's just like quick check ins.
Speaker 3: So the good news is that even though there's a
Speaker 3: lot of dialogue so far, I have enjoyed the dialogue,
Speaker 3: and my companion was pretty fun, and the characters that
Speaker 3: I've met so far have also been enjoyable. I haven't
Speaker 3: been tired or bored by the story in this game,
Speaker 3: but I don't think I also have the main hook
Speaker 3: of the plot yet. I think I'm still in that
Speaker 3: intro area where they're like like, I'm killing stuff and
Speaker 3: I'm learning everything, but I don't. I haven't met a
Speaker 3: king yet, and I feel like in this game you're
Speaker 3: going to meet a king or something. Have you met
Speaker 3: the king? What's he like?
Speaker 2: Well, the king you have? You've heard about the Emperor.
Speaker 2: He's the one who sent me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard I've heard about him.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, you're basically going like I heard someone described
Speaker 5: it as like fantasy Australia.
Speaker 2: It's like this like island words.
Speaker 1: Right, Oh, your skinny bag of bagdaggons with three XP.
Speaker 5: I'll say it's not a lot of like fantasy.
Speaker 3: Chicken so own your froy he's there.
Speaker 1: He's called chicken soap.
Speaker 4: That's that's more cockney.
Speaker 3: Get him. Yeah. I turned in to cat me really easily.
Speaker 3: To Australia, it's called chicken Soap.
Speaker 1: I just went into like a Hammersmith kind of Newcastle
Speaker 1: thing there too. Get in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what is the premise to this? It's sent the
Speaker 4: Pillars of Eternity Universe.
Speaker 1: I know that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know that until a few hours in.
Speaker 5: Andy'd be kind of interested in it because I thought
Speaker 5: this was an interesting world.
Speaker 1: You would hate those games, I'll tell you before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know there's the RPGs, and I believe I would,
Speaker 2: but I will say the world.
Speaker 4: So much reading in those games.
Speaker 2: You, this is the right way for me to take
Speaker 2: in that world.
Speaker 1: The world like people, I'm just saying I wouldn't recommend
Speaker 1: you play those games, but I wasn't maybe read it
Speaker 1: wasn't at risk of it.
Speaker 5: I just I can appreciate the world here because like, yeah,
Speaker 5: so basically you are sent you're like an Adyrian, which
Speaker 5: is basically just like the big conquering uh you know,
Speaker 5: just like they're like the military basically of the main
Speaker 5: land here, and you get sent to this island to
Speaker 5: meet up with this ambassador and Adyrians are starting to
Speaker 5: like come to the island.
Speaker 2: I won't give.
Speaker 5: Every beat here, but basically you get there and it's like,
Speaker 5: oh man, everyone here hates Darians. What's the deal? And
Speaker 5: then it's like, oh, why are some of these people
Speaker 5: fucked up? And they got like plants grown out of
Speaker 5: their face and they're you know, having crazy dreams and
Speaker 5: going crazy. So it's that's called the dream scourge. Is
Speaker 5: this like pandemic situation that's going across the island. So
Speaker 5: it's a lot of like investigating that. It's a lot
Speaker 5: of like your character wrestling with like, man, are you know,
Speaker 5: are we the good guys? Like the adyrians, like everyone
Speaker 5: here seems to fucking hate us, Like I'm just here
Speaker 5: doing a job and I'm trying to be like yeah,
Speaker 5: it's that, and you could you could lean into it.
Speaker 5: You could just be like I'm here like there's a
Speaker 5: lot of dialogue options that this is the law of Aderia,
Speaker 5: this is you know, this is how we do things.
Speaker 5: And then there's like hey, you know, like I mean,
Speaker 5: I'll give you one example of a side quest. It's
Speaker 5: you go to a brothel called the Mermaid's Den and
Speaker 5: this lady's like, hey, we needed to can you go
Speaker 5: pick up the shipment? Like there's a bunch of like
Speaker 5: assholes that are like hoarding the shipment and I need
Speaker 5: my shit, and it's like I needed to keep the
Speaker 5: business open. And I was like, okay, what the hell
Speaker 5: is this? Like is this gonna be a wire season two?
Speaker 5: Like I need to go get a bunch of like,
Speaker 5: you know women something. Yeah, yeah, that's kind of what
Speaker 5: I thought it was going to be. And it was
Speaker 5: just like a box and I took it back and
Speaker 5: it turns out it's this like herb that is a contraceptive,
Speaker 5: and you can you can the dialogue options are you
Speaker 5: can be like this is illegal, this is a violation
Speaker 5: of a Darien law. I'm you know, sending you in
Speaker 5: or whatever. But then it's like I also I picked
Speaker 5: the one where I was like, hey, yeah, just nobody's
Speaker 5: like she was like kind of worried about like, oh shit, no,
Speaker 5: like she was, I don't worry about it.
Speaker 2: No, you're good. You're good.
Speaker 1: You know the charisma check. Lets you say, get to fucking.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of.
Speaker 5: Interesting stuff like that, like, and it's uh, I think
Speaker 5: I liked the story I did. If you would have
Speaker 5: told me when I saw the like SGF reveal of
Speaker 5: this fantasy RPG from Obsidian and the Pillars of a
Speaker 5: Turn of the Universe, I probably would have been like
Speaker 5: that ain't for me.
Speaker 2: But I like it.
Speaker 5: I like it a lot. Like I said, I'm like
Speaker 5: fifty hours in now. I feel like I'm literally like
Speaker 5: going up to the last thing right now I had.
Speaker 3: What do you think your completion is? Sounds like you've
Speaker 3: done a lot of side quests. You think really like
Speaker 3: stretched the boundaries of this game and have done.
Speaker 5: A lot of the Yep, all these areas have like
Speaker 5: these six golden totems you can find. I've gotten every
Speaker 5: one of those. I've done every bounty. Every place you
Speaker 5: go to has like five bounties you can pick up.
Speaker 5: I've done every bounty, every side quest I've run into. Yeah,
Speaker 5: there's no like in game percentage count or anything like that,
Speaker 5: but like by the time I've gone on to the
Speaker 5: next area, every time I don't have a single side
Speaker 5: quest open up. There are a couple where it's like, oh,
Speaker 5: you got this like metal that you won't be able
Speaker 5: to get forged until three things later.
Speaker 2: So like a couple of those. But like, I've been
Speaker 2: doing everything in this game, and I have not gotten
Speaker 2: tired of it.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that that says a lot, and
Speaker 3: I appreciate that you haven't just like made an effort
Speaker 3: to complete this game. You are really getting into playing
Speaker 3: this game and like discovering all of its secrets. And
Speaker 3: I think for people who are fans of Oblivion and Skyrim,
Speaker 3: you kind of want someone who is invested in the
Speaker 3: world building more than just like ye average play through
Speaker 3: of the game. So I'm more inclined to listen to you.
Speaker 3: But I also find it fascinating considering, like how talky
Speaker 3: this is, that this is something that you feel really
Speaker 3: interested in because good. That's what made me concerned when
Speaker 3: I was playing it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like even like with like Oblivion and Skyrim,
Speaker 5: which games I really enjoyed, Like I didn't. It felt
Speaker 5: very fantasy trophy to me, like, Oh, I'm the dragon
Speaker 5: born and here's you know, the warring factions and the
Speaker 5: dragons and all that.
Speaker 2: It's like, all right, this is every fucking Lord of
Speaker 2: the Rings thing I've ever seen.
Speaker 5: And I was assuming I would be buttoning through a
Speaker 5: lot more stuff than I was here because I was
Speaker 5: listening to everything. I was like examining every option. I
Speaker 5: was really trying to think of, like what I would
Speaker 5: want to do in this situation.
Speaker 2: And it's made it a great experience.
Speaker 3: Oh that's great, Dan, I think it's great that you're
Speaker 3: enjoying it. I have also enjoyed my time with it.
Speaker 3: But I've been really torn because there's another game that
Speaker 3: I've really wanted to play, and it was really difficult
Speaker 3: to decide each evening if I would play this or
Speaker 3: another game that I want to talk to Mike about
Speaker 3: thoughts with a vowed Is there anything else do you
Speaker 3: want to say?
Speaker 1: Dan? Uh?
Speaker 5: That's that's the you know, I just can't imagine, you know,
Speaker 5: the last hour I probably have left.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine turning hard on it.
Speaker 3: It seems unlikely.
Speaker 2: Yeah did you pay for it?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 3: No, I I was gifted a copy.
Speaker 2: Why would be a classic kish? Okay, yeah, I did
Speaker 2: not kiss it.
Speaker 3: I was I was gifted a copy. And I will
Speaker 3: also say my last piece about this, for we moved
Speaker 3: to Tales of Iron two that I got a Xbox
Speaker 3: code and I have not turned my Xbox on in
Speaker 3: a hot minute. And when I when I turned it on,
Speaker 3: I was like it was like updating, like a year's
Speaker 3: worth of updates. Yeah, and uh, it's really gotten me
Speaker 3: back into having my Xbox on and I really missed
Speaker 3: having my Xbox, so I think about is cool for
Speaker 3: doing that too. It's like also revived my love of
Speaker 3: my Xbox. Because for the record, when I play Game Pass,
Speaker 3: I played on my PC. It was like exclusively like, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm playing in my office on my PC and enjoying
Speaker 3: a computer game. But the Xbox I play on my
Speaker 3: couch on my TV, which is my jam. So grateful
Speaker 3: to have another couch game to play. But the reason
Speaker 3: I was torn and I haven't put as much time
Speaker 3: into avout is because I started getting really into Tails
Speaker 3: of Iron two, which Mike dmd us and said, you
Speaker 3: both need to play this because I'm obsessed with this
Speaker 3: fucking game. Mike tell us about Tales of Iron two
Speaker 3: Whiskers of Winter. This is a little name.
Speaker 1: I played the first one. I want to say twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one, the first game I think I talked briefly
Speaker 1: about back in the day on fire Escape. Odd Bug
Speaker 1: Studio basically made very very Metroid light, more of a
Speaker 1: two D side scrolling Souls Born game.
Speaker 3: Feel solsy, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Deliberate combat, slow paced. It's the aesthetic is you're a
Speaker 1: bunch of rats. You're like a rat kingdom that gets assaulted. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's always rats in my games. Wait, why what's the
Speaker 1: deal with the ra I think these are the only two?
Speaker 1: Or no, there's are mice.
Speaker 4: There might be mice.
Speaker 3: They're cute. I feel like they're mice versus bats and
Speaker 3: bats are the bats?
Speaker 1: Are the bat guys in this? It was frogs last time,
Speaker 1: the frog kingdom you were fighting against. But now it's
Speaker 1: it's very like if you were just to look at
Speaker 1: the art for the game, he'd be like, oh, that's cute,
Speaker 1: but like someone gets their head chopped off and you
Speaker 1: see a spine and there's a blood around it.
Speaker 4: Within the Yeah, but it.
Speaker 1: Plays out like a cross between the Witcher three because
Speaker 1: there are monster hunts here where you're following these side
Speaker 1: quest mythical beasts around the map. Some Metrovenia light elements
Speaker 1: you do unlock like new tools to get around different areas.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: Souls born combat and that's reductive.
Speaker 1: Just by that, I mean it's very deliberate, and once
Speaker 1: you commit to an attack, you're the animation is going
Speaker 1: to play out, uh for better or worse.
Speaker 4: But there's also like.
Speaker 1: Monster hunter vibes in the sense that the big you
Speaker 1: kill and the enemies you kill and the biomes you're
Speaker 1: going to are reflected in your armor, so you're getting
Speaker 1: a lot more different kinds of armor and weapons in
Speaker 1: this game.
Speaker 4: There are a lot of trade offs to each one.
Speaker 1: There's elemental weaknesses, but generally you're going out into the
Speaker 1: world coming back and you're rebuilding the like the mouse
Speaker 1: Kingdom or rat Kingdom, and you're building back up your hub,
Speaker 1: which is very satisfying. There's not really like a tree.
Speaker 1: You're upgrading things along you're just like going out into
Speaker 1: the world to get each of these major buildings restructured
Speaker 1: at your place. But it really makes the first game
Speaker 1: feel more like a proof of concept or a demo,
Speaker 1: because this is a pretty big game, like deceptively big.
Speaker 1: The more I play it, the more I don't know
Speaker 1: how close to the end I am. I'm in like
Speaker 1: the fifth big biome.
Speaker 3: Do you have all your stuff? Like, you've rebuilt your
Speaker 3: four different you have your cook, you have your smithy,
Speaker 3: you have your I think there's four that you have to.
Speaker 1: Get, the armorer and the no the smithy, the cook,
Speaker 1: the grosser, and there's one more I forget something like that.
Speaker 4: But I have those finished.
Speaker 1: But there's several There's still a decent amount of question
Speaker 1: marks on my armor because they show you it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: here's the hunter tree for your armor. Here's the bone
Speaker 1: armor tree. It's a very monster hunter. So I still
Speaker 1: have question marks at the bottom of those. So I
Speaker 1: either haven't found the beast in a side quest or
Speaker 1: haven't gotten there in the story.
Speaker 3: But so many side quests too, where they're like asking
Speaker 3: you to do things. I haven't found any of these
Speaker 3: things yet, but I was just curious your experience. In
Speaker 3: one of the first areas, there was like a guy
Speaker 3: who lost his glasses and I'm just like trying to
Speaker 3: find the glasses. There's another guy who's on.
Speaker 1: The fishing poles.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's lots of different places for you to
Speaker 3: find things for people, but I haven't found any of
Speaker 3: that stuff yet.
Speaker 1: I found the fishing pole. And once you find the
Speaker 1: fishing pole, that leads into this whole other part of
Speaker 1: that side quest.
Speaker 4: I actually like those the most.
Speaker 1: Those are also when they lean into the Metroidvania aspects
Speaker 1: of it, where you really have to look for those,
Speaker 1: but if you ask townsfolk, they'll kind of point you
Speaker 1: in the right direction, and like it's it reminds me
Speaker 1: of like Zelda. It's like if you get stuck, talk
Speaker 1: to townsfolk, they'll give you hints. But I love the combat.
Speaker 1: The mob's enemy mob variety. They throw it you really
Speaker 1: makes you. It's a pretty typical like, oh, if they
Speaker 1: flash red, you have to dodge it. If they flash yellow,
Speaker 1: you can counter it. It's really crunchy. When you hit
Speaker 1: someone with a power attack, you really hit. It feels great.
Speaker 1: The counter attacks when you tie them perfectly, and then
Speaker 1: you also dodge the next dude and then you It
Speaker 1: feels great the panter recognition and the bosses. The boss
Speaker 1: spectacle is really impressive as well, just like the first
Speaker 1: few major bosses. I was the scope and scale of them,
Speaker 1: I was. It made me. The game feels very double
Speaker 1: a throughout, but it feels like they really upped the
Speaker 1: budget from the first game.
Speaker 3: They also put a lot of energy into the Perry system,
Speaker 3: which I think is really interesting because like, this is
Speaker 3: a very difficult game. This is a complicated and tough
Speaker 3: game to get through, and they don't give you a
Speaker 3: lot of health. You have potion that you can refill
Speaker 3: at very few stations or berries, and sometimes I would
Speaker 3: do it. I would finish a boss on like the
Speaker 3: skin of my teeth, and then there would just they
Speaker 3: would just throw an enemy at me before I could
Speaker 3: get my next fill station, and it's like, I have
Speaker 3: one chance to get this done. And it's usually what
Speaker 3: they're really encouraging you to do is perry. If you
Speaker 3: get your pery right, not only do you obviously not
Speaker 3: take damage, but they fall over and they're prone, and
Speaker 3: it's like the best time that you can do a
Speaker 3: lot of fish. Yeah, you could fuck them up with
Speaker 3: the proper parry. But I just had to say, like,
Speaker 3: for I like really suffered through Sekiro, Like I'm not
Speaker 3: a pary person. I really I really suffer with parrying.
Speaker 3: This game is I think the first time I got parrying,
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, they have a little they have
Speaker 3: a little warning sign. The animation is clear and if
Speaker 3: you do it, you get a huge reward. And I
Speaker 3: was grateful for the Perry's system.
Speaker 2: And this now stupid question.
Speaker 5: I did download this and start this, and everything you're
Speaker 5: saying you're boasting about this sounds intriguing to me. But
Speaker 5: like I started it up and it was like, I
Speaker 5: feel like it was like ten minutes of just like
Speaker 5: very serious narration about the lore of a rat kingdom,
Speaker 5: and it was just like I can't fucking do this,
Speaker 5: and I just turned it off. So like it is like, bitch,
Speaker 5: how much of that is there? Because like you're giving
Speaker 5: me take these rats? Seriously, you're giving.
Speaker 1: Me PTSD from metaphor. Because it was not ten minutes
Speaker 1: of intro in this game.
Speaker 5: I got it, got through the intro, and then it
Speaker 5: was like, oh, here's like systems, like let's just start
Speaker 5: throwing like a bunch of like oh that, yes, didn't
Speaker 5: talk at you, And it's like this has just taken
Speaker 5: a lot to get into here.
Speaker 1: Uh. I definitely think they keep introducing like oh, you're
Speaker 1: rebuilding your kingdom. There is a certain point where the
Speaker 1: gameplay overall loop will come more into focus. It's like,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm going out to these different biomes to recruit.
Speaker 3: That's even get attacked. Did you even let the bats attack?
Speaker 3: How did you get yes, I'm talking to you?
Speaker 2: I played.
Speaker 5: Look, is there like you know, like certain games are
Speaker 5: like a ractophobia mode where it's like spiders will turn
Speaker 5: into pieces of bread. Is there a way that I
Speaker 5: can just they can be dudes instead of rats? Because
Speaker 5: I just can't take the like a rat kingdom seriously,
Speaker 5: like rat kings.
Speaker 1: They're rats the whole game.
Speaker 2: That's ridiculous.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I am bread.
Speaker 3: It's just a bread kingdom.
Speaker 5: That's being a serious rat lore.
Speaker 3: And I think you're getting You're getting the hollow Night
Speaker 3: treatment because I think dan Is like severely judged this
Speaker 3: game based on one type.
Speaker 5: That's why That's why I said it was a stupid thing.
Speaker 5: Is like I I realized when I was going off
Speaker 5: of nothing. I was just like, this seems stupid. I
Speaker 5: need to get out of here.
Speaker 3: You are denying yourself. I think one of the best
Speaker 3: games of the year, and I think it will come
Speaker 3: up and so you probably should get it another play.
Speaker 3: I have adored this game, and it is the reason
Speaker 3: that I've only played a limited amount of a Vowed.
Speaker 3: I think it is phenomenal artistically and for combat reasons. Mike,
Speaker 3: I agree with you. I think the boss fights are
Speaker 3: spectacular and they're so well earned, and you get this
Speaker 3: really fun animation when you kill them. It's sick. It's
Speaker 3: really cool to like chop off a snake or like
Speaker 3: Znik's head, or like kill one of these like giant
Speaker 3: giant frog bosses. But what I've really personally enjoyed I'm
Speaker 3: curious to your take on, is like it's the world
Speaker 3: building for me, and I really do think that it's
Speaker 3: similar to Hollow Night. There are stunning backgrounds in this game,
Speaker 3: with mysteries galore of like why does this tree have
Speaker 3: all these like pieces of paper, or like why are
Speaker 3: there tentacles of like a boss? Where is it? What
Speaker 3: is this giant ship in the background, and how is
Speaker 3: this going to impact me, and most of the time
Speaker 3: so far it hasn't. But like mystical world building behind me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Dan, I don't know if this answer your question,
Speaker 1: but it does. Once you get past like your kingdom's attacked,
Speaker 1: it's destroyed, and you're basically going out on a revenge
Speaker 1: quest to rebuild your town. You're now the rat king
Speaker 1: and you're the second biome you go to is a
Speaker 1: bunch of like owl people, owl people that live in
Speaker 1: a forest that you're helping out, and then you're recruiting
Speaker 1: someone from there to come do this in your kingdom.
Speaker 1: Then you go to like the bog marshlands where the
Speaker 1: frogs are, but you're the engineer. The smithy you're trying
Speaker 1: to recruit is like this alcoholic engineer who.
Speaker 3: You can't save him. Talk to me.
Speaker 2: I feel like the problem with me.
Speaker 5: I feel like it's the Lord of the Rings thing
Speaker 5: where it's like because I think the Hobbits are idiots,
Speaker 5: and I'm just like, why would I root for these
Speaker 5: little idiots?
Speaker 2: And it's like I just mice. Like if there was
Speaker 2: like a bunch of mice bad.
Speaker 5: Guys, I'd be like, yeah, sure, but like I don't
Speaker 5: want to root for a little mice, dumb ass that
Speaker 5: like I want to play as something cool, like I
Speaker 5: don't know cool.
Speaker 3: He's a fucking motherfucker. He kills but we kills them.
Speaker 3: You think you were tough looking Danny.
Speaker 2: One wants you No, I want to be a condrac man.
Speaker 3: It's very impressive that a little wee mouse can kill
Speaker 3: a giant snake monster. Wish like the the like tiny
Speaker 3: little weapons.
Speaker 4: Literally, it's just Game of Thrones.
Speaker 1: But they just like Gary was just like normal people
Speaker 1: instead of little idiots. Super normal for sure.
Speaker 2: No talking about the people like you. Yeah, this is
Speaker 2: the problem.
Speaker 5: I understand you guys cannot enjoy Lord of the Rings
Speaker 5: because all these guys look like little helpless idiots.
Speaker 2: And I had the same feeling, like a bunch of mice.
Speaker 1: What do we why?
Speaker 2: Why are they cool?
Speaker 1: Those A those little helpless idiots A bow to no one,
Speaker 1: and B the rats cut off people's heads and kill
Speaker 1: giant snakes. You don't have to if you don't want
Speaker 1: to play the game, that's fine. I feel like I should.
Speaker 1: I just need to get past this. You're not going
Speaker 1: to there's you're a rat.
Speaker 3: The whole game a therapy.
Speaker 2: I would rather be a rat than Elijah Wood.
Speaker 1: Yeah, same, I agree.
Speaker 3: There, yea, I will say so Buggy.
Speaker 1: I don't love how because you are backtracking a lot
Speaker 1: in this game. On the one hand, I kind of
Speaker 1: appreciate that the enemy mobs respawns can be randomized. When
Speaker 1: I was in the forest, i went back. I also
Speaker 1: don't think the monster hunts are the side ones are
Speaker 1: always that great. It's less involved boss fight in more
Speaker 1: whittle away. It's health down a third, then he's going
Speaker 1: to go somewhere else in the map, go get another
Speaker 1: the second third of his health down. Some of those
Speaker 1: are just not interesting. You're just fast traveling around the world,
Speaker 1: going to do the same fight again. But also going
Speaker 1: back to what I was saying, the enemy mobs that respawn,
Speaker 1: I think they vary them, so when you are backtracking,
Speaker 1: it's not oh, it's three of those giant beetles right
Speaker 1: now that I need to fight. I know how to
Speaker 1: fight them, just dodge them, and then once they they
Speaker 1: trip and slide, I can hit their unshielded side. By
Speaker 1: varying the respawns, I think they make it a bit
Speaker 1: more unpredictable from area to area. However, when I'm trying
Speaker 1: to not that I'm really grinding in this game. But
Speaker 1: there's been a several times I'm like, oh, I almost
Speaker 1: have this entire armor set. I want the last I
Speaker 1: want like the bone shield. So I have the entire
Speaker 1: bone armor set. It looks awesome, it works, it's got
Speaker 1: electrical resistance or something like that. Really helpful. This area
Speaker 1: I'm going to, I know exactly where there are a
Speaker 1: few beetles because I need some beetle shells, And it's like, well,
Speaker 1: the spawns have randomized and there's not beetles there, So
Speaker 1: you're just kind of wandering in certain times unless I'm
Speaker 1: completely misunderstanding how those respawns work, which is possible. No.
Speaker 3: I think I also couldn't find full sets. What I
Speaker 3: think is interesting about the sets is that, like you
Speaker 3: were saying, they're all elemental damage, so you're ultimately playing Pokemon, right, Like,
Speaker 3: if you're going to fight someone who does heavy ice damage,
Speaker 3: you want to make sure that you have the right attack.
Speaker 3: If you are attacking someone with a sword that does
Speaker 3: ice damage against an ice enemy, it does nothing. You're
Speaker 3: wasting your fucking.
Speaker 1: The snake is like fire you need and what when
Speaker 1: you use the weakness. It really fucks them up.
Speaker 3: Like set, Yeah, it fucking kills them. And so I
Speaker 3: think is fun is that by literally, by changing my
Speaker 3: armor set and my weapon to be the right element,
Speaker 3: I was kind of melting certain enemies. That makes me
Speaker 3: feel like a golden god. Going back to those areas,
Speaker 3: I think what it's trying to get you to do is, hey,
Speaker 3: remember how hard this area was once upon a time. Well,
Speaker 3: now that you have the right set of armor for it,
Speaker 3: they kind of you can just really I don't don't
Speaker 3: think you're cheesing it, but you're kind of you can
Speaker 3: burn through it a lot faster, which I think makes
Speaker 3: me feel really smart and good at the game.
Speaker 1: Also, Yeah, I mean the like the balance once you
Speaker 1: start getting more and more tools, it's like the balance
Speaker 1: between the bow enemies. It's like enemies will start reacting
Speaker 1: and they're like, they know you're using the bow. You
Speaker 1: just kill them, that's their weakness. So they'll start charging you.
Speaker 1: So then you're dodging, you're countering, you're using your spell
Speaker 1: just recharts. So you're shooting this giant fireball at a
Speaker 1: giant force. Yeah, one of your four spells just recharged
Speaker 1: and you're shooting that at them.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like oblivion.
Speaker 1: Abow.
Speaker 4: Yeah you're just.
Speaker 3: Getting these Yeah, you're just getting these like spell I
Speaker 3: just realized I also have the same spell systems. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's really funny just to have these spells. In addition,
Speaker 3: Dan by all means you should like this.
Speaker 2: I think I probably will. If I give it a shot,
Speaker 2: I probably will like it.
Speaker 3: I think mechanically it's your jam the.
Speaker 4: Like serious storytelling.
Speaker 1: If this answer your question really does not stick around,
Speaker 1: it becomes literally more just like hey, go get this
Speaker 1: person who can rebuild this aspect of your castle, bring
Speaker 1: them back. Okay, I don't think it's overly cute. Really
Speaker 1: throughout the owl character is a bit you're cute.
Speaker 2: I think it's just the issue that they're mice.
Speaker 4: Do you not like rodents like in real life?
Speaker 5: No, it's it's really I mean when I say, it's
Speaker 5: like the same thing as like the Lord of the
Speaker 5: Rings thing, where it's like I think if Lord of
Speaker 5: the Rings didn't have Hobbits and it was just following
Speaker 5: like Vigo Mortensen trying to kill a big evil guy,
Speaker 5: I'd probably be into it. But it's just when it's like,
Speaker 5: who are these dumb like I can't get past that.
Speaker 3: He's he's a strong motherfucker. The main character of this
Speaker 3: game is a beast, and I think if you play
Speaker 3: literally ten minutes of it, you'll kind of discover that
Speaker 3: because there's people that you're fighting with and they just
Speaker 3: a lot of people get brutally murdered in this game,
Speaker 3: right in front of your main character, and he's like
Speaker 3: all right, and he fucks people up. So I think
Speaker 3: you'll I think you'll come to appreciate how strong these
Speaker 3: characters are.
Speaker 2: If I played, I guarantee.
Speaker 3: That they're not little weenie boys. They are These are
Speaker 3: like murderous mice men.
Speaker 5: So it's cool and especially hearing about the like you know,
Speaker 5: I love like in Rogue Legacy and any game or
Speaker 5: Haites does this too, where you go back and you're
Speaker 5: like leveling up your hub and stuff like that. Like
Speaker 5: I'm a sucker for that type of stuff. So like,
Speaker 5: I have no doubt that if I just got past
Speaker 5: my stupid thing, I would enjoy it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's still it's still a bit rough around the edges.
Speaker 1: Certain mechanical things like the grappling hook, the the like
Speaker 1: I don't know how to even describe it. The hit box, yeah,
Speaker 1: or to recognize, like to give you the prompt is
Speaker 1: you have to like if you run too far and
Speaker 1: I'm at a certain point when you're backtracking, I'm just
Speaker 1: sprinting around the world fast traveling and running back to Oh,
Speaker 1: I remember there was a chest there.
Speaker 4: Oh that mine had a lot of these enemies. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna go back down there.
Speaker 1: The grappling hook I wish was a little more free form,
Speaker 1: but you really need to be in its like circle
Speaker 1: of influence for it to give you the button prompt
Speaker 1: LB or whatever it is.
Speaker 3: On controller, I have a nitpick the side quest that
Speaker 3: you can take. There's like bosses per area and you
Speaker 3: can replay the bosses. And I accidentally hit replay boss
Speaker 3: and I don't I didn't want to, so I was like,
Speaker 3: I'll just undo that quest. You can't once you accept
Speaker 3: a quest, you just have to kill the fucking boss again.
Speaker 3: Oh and I wasn't able to undo it, and that
Speaker 3: really pissed me off.
Speaker 1: Wait, sorry, what were you trying to do that? It
Speaker 1: didn't let you do it.
Speaker 3: Didn't let me unselect replay a boss Like I had
Speaker 3: a boss that you could redo the quest. You can
Speaker 3: redo their same boss quests and I undo it.
Speaker 1: There's also I had a boss down to or no,
Speaker 1: So I had a particularly tough mob down to, like
Speaker 1: the last enemy, and he was toward the edge of
Speaker 1: the screen and I went to swing my sword or
Speaker 1: axe at him whatever I was using, and it transitioned
Speaker 1: the screen because I went into the next area. So
Speaker 1: they all respawned after a pretty difficult fight that only
Speaker 1: happened once so far. But like now I know why
Speaker 1: they bring up barriers during boss fights, so you can't
Speaker 1: just accidentally despawn them and respawn them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's you could, Like I said, you could tell.
Speaker 1: It's like there's a lot of like excellent craft on
Speaker 1: display here, but there's also some oversights that maybe they'll
Speaker 1: patch them out, but I don't know. It's one of
Speaker 1: those games I kind of like because of its rough
Speaker 1: edges in some ways. It's not a perfect game by
Speaker 1: any means, but I like it a lot. I like it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: for them to odd Bug Studio, for them to make
Speaker 1: that first game, and I played that on Switch and
Speaker 1: I really liked how deliberate, weighty the combat was, how
Speaker 1: responsive it was, how the pattern recognition and like responding
Speaker 1: more quickly could feel like get you in that flow
Speaker 1: state after a while, but this new one like blew
Speaker 1: that up a lot. It's a pretty big game for
Speaker 1: especially what it seems like at first, but I like
Speaker 1: it a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, going back to the world building that I've really
Speaker 3: liked about it. I got a couple hollow night vibes
Speaker 3: from this game. Dan. I was in these corridors. There's
Speaker 3: lots of different ways to get into the same spaces,
Speaker 3: so maybe it will be a like a wishing well
Speaker 3: or something, and going into the well does it. Or
Speaker 3: maybe there's like a tunnel system, or there's bridges and
Speaker 3: at one point a boss made the bridge collapse and
Speaker 3: now the bridge is an entrance into these like tunnel systems,
Speaker 3: so that's cool, right. There's like lots of different ways
Speaker 3: in and out and they change based on the progression
Speaker 3: and the story. And in one area I think I
Speaker 3: was like, this wall seems weird. I is there a
Speaker 3: ladder here when there's nothing here? And I pushed against
Speaker 3: it and it was like a secret area and A
Speaker 3: had two little moles, I want to say. They were
Speaker 3: like hanging out and I talked to them and they're like, hey, uh,
Speaker 3: are you our delivery guy. We're waiting for our burgers.
Speaker 3: We're really hungry. And I was like, no, I'm not
Speaker 3: your burger delivery guy. And they were like, all right,
Speaker 3: well if you can, you like, if you find them, like,
Speaker 3: bring us our burgers. Were really hungry. There's like two
Speaker 3: little mole guys hanging out, and so I'm like, okay, well,
Speaker 3: I don't have any of the shit. So I leave
Speaker 3: and I defeat a boss in the area, and I
Speaker 3: leave and I come back later, as Mike was saying,
Speaker 3: probably to get some armor, and I kill some shit
Speaker 3: down there, and I get a bag of food. I
Speaker 3: get a bag of burgers, and I went, oh my god,
Speaker 3: I have these moles delivery food. And I fucking door
Speaker 3: dashed this shit right to them in their little bunker,
Speaker 3: and I delivered them their food and they put on
Speaker 3: some music and we have a meal together. And in
Speaker 3: this very violent, very intense, I would say, extremely stressful game,
Speaker 3: because it's very soulsy in the sense where you like
Speaker 3: always are nervous that you might die before you get
Speaker 3: your next health it was this moment of peace and serenity.
Speaker 3: We shared a meal together. I brought them their burgers.
Speaker 3: They were really thankful I got some like fun little
Speaker 3: bonuses for my character. But I think more importantly, I
Speaker 3: think I was just like, what a nice tonal shift
Speaker 3: that I got to have a meal with these little
Speaker 3: moles and like relax for a minute. I appreciated that
Speaker 3: the devs put this kind moment in this game, And
Speaker 3: to me, that is something that Hollow Knight did a lot,
Speaker 3: where it was like, what a stressful world, and then
Speaker 3: all of a sudden you'd be like, Oh, you want
Speaker 3: me to relax and enjoy this moment with you in
Speaker 3: this beautiful little area. And it's just like this game
Speaker 3: kind of gets that too. It just like knows when
Speaker 3: to let you chill nice.
Speaker 2: Oh And I definitely had that. I did appreciate that too.
Speaker 5: It's so just like Graham and then it's like, oh,
Speaker 5: this shopkeeper is being funny and then having a little
Speaker 5: song and yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, dad's a nada.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think that this game has vibes like that, I
Speaker 3: really do. I think it had its moments where it
Speaker 3: wants you to relax or enjoy or mourn, which I
Speaker 3: think is also really interesting. Like there's a lot of
Speaker 3: fucking people die in this game, and it's brutal, and
Speaker 3: I kind of started getting a little off put. Every
Speaker 3: time someone was like, I need you to help me
Speaker 3: find my brother, I'd be like, your brother's fucking dead, Bud.
Speaker 3: We all know that, and we would just constantly like
Speaker 3: find these dead family members and deal with it. But like,
Speaker 3: every once in a while you will actually save someone.
Speaker 3: More often than not, they're dead, but it feels really
Speaker 3: good to help someone find their kid or their brother
Speaker 3: and actually bring them back, and they're extremely grateful, and
Speaker 3: it's meaningful because in this world, people die. They throw
Speaker 3: people away very very quickly in this game, So it's
Speaker 3: sick to save someone's life. It's sick to deliver burgers,
Speaker 3: and it's sick to kill a snake.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta go back and finish it. I think
Speaker 1: I'm like.
Speaker 2: I've heard it's like twelve hours total.
Speaker 4: It's really not huge huge too.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, it makes the first game seem short, short,
Speaker 1: but it's still not like A. It like Double A
Speaker 1: is even pushing it.
Speaker 3: I think it depends on how difficult you find it
Speaker 3: as well, because I've struggled on certain bosses and put
Speaker 3: like a like an hour into a people, but other
Speaker 3: places I've kind of been able to breeze through, but
Speaker 3: I'd like to finish it by the next time we
Speaker 3: talk as well. My playtime is ten hours. I don't
Speaker 3: even think I'm I don't think I'm as far as.
Speaker 1: You, so yeah, I must be close. I'm about that
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 3: But yeah, but I'm stupid, so I feel like I'll
Speaker 3: have to to really burn through. I was struggling with
Speaker 3: some of those fights.
Speaker 1: Another new game. I've played a lot of Sieve seven
Speaker 1: at this point. I don't think I love that game.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I've heard problems with the launch of this game,
Speaker 3: and I'm curious what you think about it, because I've
Speaker 3: heard a lot of people say that maybe it came
Speaker 3: out too early, it was like bud here something.
Speaker 1: I don't have any technical problems with it. I know
Speaker 1: people are like not loving the UI. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's as exhaustive with its satorialization and CIVI six. The
Speaker 1: Civilipedia you could just hover over anything and it would
Speaker 1: kind of explain it. This you need to dig a
Speaker 1: bit more. I for those who don't know the basic
Speaker 1: The big thing here is that whereas in past civilization
Speaker 1: games you would pick a civilization, you pick ancient Egypt
Speaker 1: with the leader would be Cleopatra, let's say, Or you'd
Speaker 1: pick America and the leader would be Teddy Roosevelt. Here
Speaker 1: you're picking a leader who's going to be your leader
Speaker 1: throughout the ages the eras. However, you're changing the civilization
Speaker 1: each time based on what you were doing in the
Speaker 1: previous one. So what they're trying to do is lean
Speaker 1: more into the emergent gameplay, Like, oh, here's how you'd
Speaker 1: in the age of antiquity, you were really obsessed with expansion.
Speaker 1: So at the beginning of the Age of Exploration, here
Speaker 1: are a bunch of civilizations to choose from because you
Speaker 1: were so obsessed with expansion. You can now go with Mongolia,
Speaker 1: whose militaristic, militaristic and expansionist, or you can kind of
Speaker 1: shift course because you were also going a bit more
Speaker 1: into trying to like build more banks and your economy.
Speaker 1: So here's the califits, et cetera. So, like you're they're
Speaker 1: trying to, basically, I think, introduce more emergent gameplay into
Speaker 1: it and how it evolves. So you'll have these cool
Speaker 1: water cooler like, well, I'm Ben Franklin, but in the
Speaker 1: modern age, he's in Charge of Russia, like it's cool
Speaker 1: on paper, and I like, that seems right up my alley.
Speaker 1: And this game is very good for ACCESS has always
Speaker 1: stressed the one more turn mantra, like they want you
Speaker 1: to stick around for one more turn. CIV seven is
Speaker 1: very fucking good at that, more so than you know
Speaker 1: the the joe of each for SIEV game is like,
Speaker 1: wait for the first expansion. That's when the game really
Speaker 1: becomes what it's supposed to be with Gods and Kings
Speaker 1: in SIB five or Rising Tide, which whatever it was
Speaker 1: with SIEV six. But I really have a hard time
Speaker 1: putting this game down, and the more I played it,
Speaker 1: the more I realized it doesn't leave that much room
Speaker 1: for intentionality. I think my favorite parts of SIV five
Speaker 1: and six were when I had a plan. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take over this island chain, this archipelago because
Speaker 1: it has a ton of natural resources I want. It
Speaker 1: has like Wales, and it has like prime fishing areas,
Speaker 1: and it would be great to build up the rest
Speaker 1: of my civilization and kind of become like my hub
Speaker 1: for naval if I need to go to war with
Speaker 1: my navy. The fun of civilizations is when like that
Speaker 1: plan goes awry and some other huge new objective comes
Speaker 1: up because fucking Gandhi is being a dick on your
Speaker 1: east flank.
Speaker 4: So now it's like, well, now.
Speaker 1: Now he's become like I have a vendetta against him,
Speaker 1: So fuck that whole archipelago gasoline whaling plan. I'm going
Speaker 1: I'm going to build up my eastern front. I make
Speaker 1: plans in SIV seven, and the game just does not
Speaker 1: give me the room to see them through it all.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, here's a new narrative thing. You have
Speaker 1: to choose between letting these immigrants in or turning them away,
Speaker 1: or oh, this world leader, the city state leader like
Speaker 1: of Sparta, wants you to help them in this minor skirmish.
Speaker 1: Do you or do You're not? Like each turn, I'm like, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I gotta focus. I'm going to I'm going to war
Speaker 1: against Confucius. He's been he's been like putting pressure on
Speaker 1: me politically. He's turning a lot of the other leaders
Speaker 1: against me. His agenda keeps changing for the worst, and
Speaker 1: he's hostile against me. The game is so obsessed with
Speaker 1: this emerging game plan, giving me new scenarios at such
Speaker 1: a breakneck pace that I never feel as if I'm
Speaker 1: steering toward anything. Any goal I set the game doesn't
Speaker 1: give me a chance to reach. I really have to
Speaker 1: ignore everything the game's doing in order to do that.
Speaker 1: So I don't think it's just a matter of an
Speaker 1: expansion coming along. I think they like, it's not a
Speaker 1: UI think for me, it's a tuning of the core
Speaker 1: gameplay loop that I think this game needs for me,
Speaker 1: because I think I've played a decent amount of it.
Speaker 1: I'm like fifteen hours in two play sessions or sorry,
Speaker 1: three play sessions, so there were long sessions. They were
Speaker 1: enjoyable on the surface level, but when I like reflected
Speaker 1: on them or just thought back, I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: what did I do? What am I doing? When I
Speaker 1: reload that campaign, it was really just like ADHD more
Speaker 1: than like actually planning out my civilization. So it kind
Speaker 1: of feels empty right now, even though there's a lot
Speaker 1: going on. It's a very complex game. It's many parts
Speaker 1: of it are extremely well crafted, and they carried over
Speaker 1: a lot of cool things from SIV six from a
Speaker 1: city building aspect. I love this game already. I think
Speaker 1: they still need to tune things there, but they just
Speaker 1: need to like get out of my way. More often
Speaker 1: it's back to like the pace of a SIEV five,
Speaker 1: where I'm actually working toward building up my nuclear supply
Speaker 1: because godh he's doing the same and I need some
Speaker 1: sort of deterrent so he doesn't just bomb my cities
Speaker 1: like it. Uh yeah, it's just overload the notification to
Speaker 1: pop up every turn. It's they need to scale back
Speaker 1: for me to really enjoy this game.
Speaker 2: But there is a lot of cool stuff there.
Speaker 1: I and if for acxis has proven anything they can
Speaker 1: do that x chosen like every expansion for at the
Speaker 1: first expansion they release of every game, it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is what the game should have been. I just
Speaker 1: you know, put fifteen hours into it before that expansion
Speaker 1: came out. So if anybody's like on the fence about it,
Speaker 1: and if you're you really like seeing a leader and
Speaker 1: a civilization through and setting out a goal for yourself
Speaker 1: and keeping it in sight even when other cool stuff
Speaker 1: pops up, this is probably not your game. This game
Speaker 1: really is going to like be pulling you in eighteen
Speaker 1: different directions, and even when you do commit to one direction,
Speaker 1: I feel as if it's like, wait, but there's also
Speaker 1: all this other cool stuff going on. Come come see this.
Speaker 1: I feel more like a tourist than a leader of
Speaker 1: a civilization, which is a huge problem for me in
Speaker 1: a game where the fantasy is building up this empire
Speaker 1: or cultural entity or world economy. So yeah, I'm hopeful that,
Speaker 1: you know, they'll be fixing it or tweaking it, so
Speaker 1: to speak. And I appreciate what they're trying to do,
Speaker 1: and I think there's still a cool idea that they
Speaker 1: can get closer to. They just need to like ease
Speaker 1: off a bit. What else are you playing? Dan?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 2: Game about digging a hole? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Is that what's called?
Speaker 2: Yep, you dig a hole?
Speaker 3: In a game so perfectly named? Since uh yeah, that's
Speaker 3: it's always.
Speaker 5: After I'm talking about, I know, strategy, something really deep
Speaker 5: where it's like the whole time, I'm just having flashbacks
Speaker 5: to uh and Gifted Class. That was the one game
Speaker 5: we would have on the computers where we play CIV too,
Speaker 5: And I remember, like, again, I'm easily the dumbest person
Speaker 5: in that class because like everybody else was really into
Speaker 5: it and talking about diplomacy and all that stuff, and
Speaker 5: I would get on there, and it's like, why is
Speaker 5: this not Command of Conquer?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 5: Like, how do I build the tanks? How do I
Speaker 5: build the cure offs? And like and it just kept
Speaker 5: like so from CIV to I've never understood that series.
Speaker 5: So the whole time you're describing that, I'm thinking about
Speaker 5: how it was just way too much for me. Yeah
Speaker 5: you tossed to me and it's like, oh yeah, game
Speaker 5: about digging a hole? Yeah, that's that's your speed, my speed?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is so? Yeah?
Speaker 4: What is a game about digging a hole?
Speaker 1: How does this?
Speaker 2: So you dig a hole?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 5: You I beat it in about probably an hour and
Speaker 5: a half on stream yesterday. And you get a house
Speaker 5: and you got a backyard and there's a spot for
Speaker 5: you to dig a hole. And you got a garage,
Speaker 5: and when you go to the garage, there's an upgrade terminal.
Speaker 5: There is a like sell computer, so there's like an
Speaker 5: upgrade bench and like a computer where you can sell
Speaker 5: the shit you find.
Speaker 2: Uh. That's pretty much it.
Speaker 5: And the upgrades you can do are your shovel, your inventory, uh,
Speaker 5: your battery because your shovel is like an auto shovel thing.
Speaker 2: They're like, well, probably.
Speaker 3: Once you upgrade it at first, it's probably.
Speaker 5: Start well, so it starts. It is an automated thing
Speaker 5: with a battery and a tiny battery at first. But
Speaker 5: it's just like and I've heard, uh, I heard the
Speaker 5: next land you guys were saying it's not great on
Speaker 5: mouse and keyboard because you have to click every time.
Speaker 2: For the shovel controller, you can just hold the trigger.
Speaker 5: So when you start, you have this tiny, dumb ass
Speaker 5: little shovel and you go into your backyard. It's like
Speaker 5: it's just like little tiny bits of dirt coming up
Speaker 5: and it's like, ah, fuck, this sucks. And uh then
Speaker 5: like every one in obviously like, oh there's a rock. Okay,
Speaker 5: we're a stone. Okay, I got a stone. You take
Speaker 5: the stone back to your computer. You sell a stone
Speaker 5: for a dollar, and you can, you know, cost money
Speaker 5: to get your upgrades from.
Speaker 2: The upgrade.
Speaker 3: People.
Speaker 5: I love it so much, un ironically, and so it's like, yeah,
Speaker 5: you start and there's like a lot of stones right
Speaker 5: at the service and I got five stones.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go sell that for five dollars. Then I'm
Speaker 2: gonna upgrade my thing.
Speaker 5: And then you get a shovel upgrade and it's like ooh,
Speaker 5: the radius of the thing you're digging is now much bigger.
Speaker 5: It's like, oh, I'm actually okay. I'm like I'm down
Speaker 5: to my ankles in this hole. Now this is great.
Speaker 5: And then you start getting further and there's like you know,
Speaker 5: different types of like ore, stone, iron, and as you
Speaker 5: get much much deeper, it's like gold, silver, platinum, diamond,
Speaker 5: stuff like that, and uh as, like every upgrade you
Speaker 5: get just feel so good, Like you get a jet
Speaker 5: pack because like, like I was an idiot because when
Speaker 5: I was streaming to everybody said that they like did
Speaker 5: a circular pattern as they dug down so they could
Speaker 5: get out of the hole, and me, I just kept
Speaker 5: digging straight down.
Speaker 2: At a certain point, it's like I'm having trouble getting
Speaker 2: out of this hole.
Speaker 5: And jetpack. Yeah, and so I bought a jet pack.
Speaker 5: And you can just gonna get a bunch of rocks
Speaker 5: and jet pack out of a hole?
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 4: First person?
Speaker 2: First person?
Speaker 5: Dude, I guess any scratch, Yeah, yeah, And so yeah,
Speaker 5: you're just going deeper and deeper, and you can buy
Speaker 5: a little upgrades, like you can get like lamps and
Speaker 5: stuff because it starts getting dark and you can put
Speaker 5: lamps on the on the walls, and like at times,
Speaker 5: like you like a little radar like metal detector thing
Speaker 5: that's like, oh, you need to, you know, go in
Speaker 5: this direction. You'll find like a secret little reminded me
Speaker 5: of Barbarian, like a secret like hallway and it's like,
Speaker 5: oh shit, there's like a treasure chest in here, and damn,
Speaker 5: it's not that scary.
Speaker 3: Well, there's other whole based scenarios that you could come
Speaker 3: up with besides Barbarian.
Speaker 5: I mean it a hallway underground and it may be
Speaker 5: called holes.
Speaker 2: I have not seen holes. I've seen Barbarian, but you
Speaker 2: got to go that.
Speaker 1: You must go see Madam Zarne on the mountain.
Speaker 2: What's he doing?
Speaker 3: You should see holes?
Speaker 2: But I like holes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we know, Dan.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but we didn't talk about you saw Barbarian.
Speaker 3: We should we talk about it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, about it tonight. We always got on an episode
Speaker 1: one hundred okay, gotten show or yeah, maybe I was
Speaker 1: swear you might have stepped away it was great, okay,
Speaker 1: or maybe.
Speaker 3: We discussed it before we.
Speaker 4: Did, but that was the last episode. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: Anyway, Anyway, the game about digging a hole sounds pretty straightforward,
Speaker 1: but there's jet packs, so maybe it's not.
Speaker 5: You get a jet pack, you get likes to get dynamites.
Speaker 5: You'll get to like lava rocks and stuff like that
Speaker 5: that you can't dig pass and so you die. Yeah,
Speaker 5: there's health, and you gotta you can pay to get
Speaker 5: your health back.
Speaker 3: It looks like a five dollars like it was.
Speaker 5: It five dollars. It's worth five dollars for sure. So yeah,
Speaker 5: you just just keep digging further and further. You just
Speaker 5: have a good time.
Speaker 3: I can see this as one of my like mental health. Like, listen,
Speaker 3: I'm putting some I'm putting Simpsons on TV, and I
Speaker 3: would like to play a game on the steam deck
Speaker 3: on my couch and not really give a ship. That
Speaker 3: is what this says. This is Wow, you're doing powerwash Stimulator.
Speaker 2: Yes, it is that. It is the whole version of
Speaker 2: Wash Simulate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is very simple, but I do I do
Speaker 3: like simple mechanics for a night or two. I think
Speaker 3: like at a five dollars price point, this is a
Speaker 3: reasonable investment for someone who is maybe like stressed out
Speaker 3: and wants like I consider this a cozy game. This
Speaker 3: is a I could see that this is a cozy game.
Speaker 5: I see it as a like dopamine game where it's
Speaker 5: like you get you know, if you're using the shovel
Speaker 5: for so long, you upgrade to the drill, and it's
Speaker 5: like it's like, oh man, this is an incredible feeling
Speaker 5: right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, if it brings you joy, I mean, I
Speaker 3: think that's great. And I and I am an advocate
Speaker 3: for like simple mechanics, right, Like I remember like when
Speaker 3: I was doing my uh I forget, I was like
Speaker 3: a I was like a bar made, you know, like
Speaker 3: in an RPG, and I poured beers and I mopped
Speaker 3: the floor, and I was like, this is a nice existence.
Speaker 3: You're digging a fucking hole. This isn't rocket science. You
Speaker 3: go down and then maybe you sometimes once you're down
Speaker 3: there long enough, you go left and right.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you will.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but I think it's probably pretty nice to
Speaker 3: stumble across like a chest with like stuff in.
Speaker 2: It, right, and they make it rare enough to where
Speaker 2: it matters.
Speaker 5: It's like, oh, this had a bunch of money and
Speaker 5: some dynamite and some lamps in it, and it's like,
Speaker 5: oh shit, that's great. And then it's like as you're
Speaker 5: going deeper, you come back up and you got a
Speaker 5: big inventory. It's like I got twenty fucking things of
Speaker 5: gold and silver and platinum, and you cash like I
Speaker 5: just got three thousand dollars from that hole where it's
Speaker 5: like when you start and you're getting like three dollars
Speaker 5: a hole. You know, it's it's very just simple, just
Speaker 5: dumb dopamine mechanics. But yeah, I like that shit a lot.
Speaker 3: I think that's great. I think this is simple and
Speaker 3: something I would probably play on like a stress like
Speaker 3: to relieve stress after a tough day is probably how
Speaker 3: I would do this. So I'm kind of in, yeah,
Speaker 3: like dumbest shit, but like effective at bringing joy.
Speaker 2: Yes, what does this face MIC's had for the last
Speaker 2: two minutes.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was just like making a face
Speaker 1: up that I like a person would make when they're
Speaker 1: listening about a game about digging a hole. It's not
Speaker 1: knocking to it. It looks I've been watching like the
Speaker 1: gameplay on Steam. The gifts are mesmerizing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's five dollars. That's like that's a no brainer. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Dan or no Mary, what's spirit swap?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: So on the other end of uh, what I would
Speaker 3: call like cozy relaxing games is spirit swap low five
Speaker 3: beats to match three two A bit of a mouthful,
Speaker 3: but as you can imagine, it is a match three
Speaker 3: game with lots of story and friend building mechanics. So
Speaker 3: you're like a new You're like in a town. You're
Speaker 3: going over to people's houses. You play a couple match
Speaker 3: three versus games against them. Matching three is exactly how
Speaker 3: you remember it on your phones. You match the shapes
Speaker 3: and the colors. If you do that successfully, it puts
Speaker 3: I don't know, immovable blocks on the opposing teams side,
Speaker 3: like kind of like tetris right where it's like building
Speaker 3: and if it gets too high, that person loses. But
Speaker 3: they can do the same thing to you, and so
Speaker 3: you have to use these special mechanics that this game
Speaker 3: is constructed to help break down some of those unshakable blocks.
Speaker 3: It's things like you make a diamond and then that
Speaker 3: gives you a special move, or you can make a
Speaker 3: square and that gives you a special move, and those
Speaker 3: special moves can break up those squares and have you defeat.
Speaker 3: But they're not your enemies. These are your friends. And
Speaker 3: in other ways, I actually think these are like romance situations.
Speaker 3: I want to be careful comparing it too much because
Speaker 3: I don't think it's like dream Daddy. But like multiple
Speaker 3: times I was talking to these people and playing Match
Speaker 3: three against them, and I was like, I think they're
Speaker 3: coming on to me, and then like two seconds later
Speaker 3: it was like, do you want to be romanced by
Speaker 3: this character? And in all of these situations, I said no,
Speaker 3: because I'm not really playing this to romance, so you
Speaker 3: can say no, But I think it sounds like you
Speaker 3: can say yes and romance these like hot to trot
Speaker 3: little characters that are playing Match three against you. So
Speaker 3: I'm a little I'm not completely understanding exactly that mechanic
Speaker 3: of it if it is like that type of game,
Speaker 3: But you obviously can build friendships and relationships with all
Speaker 3: these different towns people, and then you also get lots
Speaker 3: of items, and then you can build out your cozy space,
Speaker 3: so your apartment you can decorate with your own rugs
Speaker 3: and lamps and elements, and so you're kind of decorating,
Speaker 3: You're discovering people in the town, maybe you're romancing them,
Speaker 3: but ultimately you're just like playing this match three game.
Speaker 3: It's very simple stuff, Like it's never stressful. I was
Speaker 3: never overwhelmed and the music, as you can imagine, is
Speaker 3: lo fi. So you just kind of chillin the Lofi
Speaker 3: and matching three.
Speaker 2: What Tetris block would you want to fuck?
Speaker 1: This is square?
Speaker 5: The stick?
Speaker 1: No no no, no, no no no, the the block
Speaker 1: the no, like, I don't even know how to describe it,
Speaker 1: is l block.
Speaker 2: Well there's the block. There's the block. Yeah no, not
Speaker 2: the T block, the one that block like an hour.
Speaker 1: The.
Speaker 3: Little freak. Yeah, there's always one.
Speaker 1: It's already, it's already, it looks ready to go.
Speaker 2: Elaborate. No, I am I really almost said something vile?
Speaker 2: Please please please?
Speaker 1: What was it? No? Was it?
Speaker 4: You can't suspense I'm not a creep.
Speaker 1: I am not a creep.
Speaker 4: Dan, what's this? Eternal strands?
Speaker 3: You guys don't have anything else to say about.
Speaker 2: Puzzle blocks.
Speaker 3: There's no conversation about this.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's nice.
Speaker 4: I'm just trying to move on, not from your talking
Speaker 4: about the game.
Speaker 1: From okay.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I was holding back all of my like does
Speaker 2: everything you have to have fucking in it? That thoughts?
Speaker 3: So, like, I know why I didn't know that this
Speaker 3: would have romance options, and in general I did not
Speaker 3: want that from this game. So I didn't partake. I
Speaker 3: don't want that. I said no, but I was able
Speaker 3: to say no and it was very comfortable. It wasn't awkward.
Speaker 3: I was just like, no, thanks, we're friends. Just the
Speaker 3: coffee and the swap three for me. So I mean,
Speaker 3: you can uh not do that.
Speaker 2: As a puzzle game by itself? Is it good?
Speaker 3: I think that it is a simple swap three game mechanic,
Speaker 3: so I think it succeeds at doing swap three mechanics.
Speaker 3: Does it get more complicated than that? Not really, except
Speaker 3: for the as I was saying, you get those special moves,
Speaker 3: which is like you've made an X out of your
Speaker 3: colors or you've made a tea. There's different shapes that
Speaker 3: you can make that do special moves. But I think
Speaker 3: it is a simple game. I don't think this is
Speaker 3: like a complicated game. But I think the last thing
Speaker 3: I just want to say is visually, I think it
Speaker 3: is very beautiful. The art person went off making these
Speaker 3: character designs. I just think they're really good looking characters.
Speaker 3: And there's like this fun frog that hangs out with
Speaker 3: you as well that I think literally this does look
Speaker 3: like and the animation is so cute.
Speaker 1: This reminds me of a Goodbye Volcano High. Like the
Speaker 1: art style, the character design kind of yeah, like Haities
Speaker 1: meets Goodbye Volcano High and people are.
Speaker 3: Hot in it, like everyone's attractive. But I was like, no,
Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't want them that way.
Speaker 1: Very I just always horny. Maybe I feel like you
Speaker 1: bring up horny games a lot and I.
Speaker 4: Can't help it.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of horny.
Speaker 3: Games now for the In my defense, I was never
Speaker 3: like playing Haites and was like, uh, like trying to
Speaker 3: get it on. I was just trying to play this
Speaker 3: sick game. And then I was like everybody's hot, Like
Speaker 3: why did they make all these people so hot? And
Speaker 3: it was I was like, no, off put by it.
Speaker 3: I was surprised and I was not prepared for how
Speaker 3: sexy they made all these characters. And then Spirra Swap
Speaker 3: like they just kind of like made these good looking
Speaker 3: workout characters or whatever. It's like someone is in the
Speaker 3: gym and he's wearing these like little gym shorts and
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm just trying to swap three sir
Speaker 3: or just throwing those hams in my face. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't. I mean, in my defense, what I would say,
Speaker 3: is like I've learned that I don't always want to
Speaker 3: be horny when I play games because I chose no,
Speaker 3: I chose not to be romanced. In this game and
Speaker 3: in other games. I have absolutely been like, uh oh,
Speaker 3: I am now into this weird game because they've made
Speaker 3: it hot. So it does happen to me. I I
Speaker 3: didn't mean to goon.
Speaker 2: I wish horniness was merely a choice for me.
Speaker 3: It's a way of life.
Speaker 5: I love video games, and I'm also, you know, a
Speaker 5: horny as as human beings will get, I just they
Speaker 5: don't intertwine.
Speaker 1: I just don't like, I'm not against it because except
Speaker 1: have you played uh what what are the I'm trying
Speaker 1: to think of the game, oh, Dark Watch back in
Speaker 1: the day, No, that was a horny vampire while West
Speaker 1: Shooter game I'm.
Speaker 3: Trying to think of, like a horny game that could
Speaker 3: break most people.
Speaker 2: You've never even realized was horny until I saw people
Speaker 2: talking about.
Speaker 5: So okay, look, there was like maybe like okay, I'm
Speaker 5: saying late nineties, So there's a sweet spot, a little
Speaker 5: bit of you know, Anna Williams and tech in a
Speaker 5: little bit of looking for the nude code and tomb Raider.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know I was.
Speaker 5: I was dude to teenager as a teenager like anyone.
Speaker 5: But I can't say I've been horny while playing a
Speaker 5: video game since the nineties.
Speaker 3: I think it's been a minute.
Speaker 1: I got to put the controller down every once in
Speaker 1: a while.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Haiti's switch in my brain. I wasn't prepared for
Speaker 3: that one.
Speaker 1: But it didn't get me.
Speaker 3: Haities got me for I didn't.
Speaker 5: Even realize that it was supposed to be horny. Like
Speaker 5: I beat that game and I started reading all this
Speaker 5: stuff about it. I was like, oh, what, it's horny,
Speaker 5: Like I just had no idea that.
Speaker 3: Did something to me. But I I think generally I'm
Speaker 3: able to ignore it as well. But I also feel
Speaker 3: like I'm constantly playing games like Mike, Like I'm playing
Speaker 3: like some kind of mouse fighting game or some kind
Speaker 3: of like Orri where you're like some weird alien forest creature.
Speaker 3: And it's like that's not meant to invoke anything inside
Speaker 3: of me.
Speaker 2: That's how I feel about it.
Speaker 5: It's like, this is like a rat lady, you should
Speaker 5: not be horny about what is this?
Speaker 1: What's with them in the room?
Speaker 3: And yet he has a problem with rats yeah, but
Speaker 3: you're fucking rats and he's been like digging holes with
Speaker 3: no boners. You guys are both.
Speaker 4: As I'm not.
Speaker 5: She's like a cat bird type something like. I don't
Speaker 5: know that's what it's. It's weird when people are horny
Speaker 5: for things that are supposed to look like animals.
Speaker 3: You are allowed to escape our regular earthly planes from
Speaker 3: time to time. Have you ever played mass effect?
Speaker 5: Like, come on, I did play all the mass effects?
Speaker 5: Are those horny? I know they're romance options, but I
Speaker 5: didn't consider them horny games.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, you have no dick?
Speaker 2: Should I put that on the soundboard?
Speaker 1: Yes? Da?
Speaker 4: What's eternal strands?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: I was way hotter on this.
Speaker 1: Before every furry in the world comes to kill you,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I got no.
Speaker 2: Problem with furries. They can do whatever they want to do.
Speaker 4: Subscribed a furry basically.
Speaker 2: But I'm saying stuff's not for me doesn't mean it.
Speaker 3: Does not be for Everyone's like you don't have to
Speaker 3: be but there is like an element of like. But
Speaker 3: if it has for and ears, you're not supposed to
Speaker 3: be attracted to that.
Speaker 5: It's is like, well, I think it's a general rule
Speaker 5: you shouldn't want to have sex with animals.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's not an extreme thing, right, I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think we're just it is a spectrum.
Speaker 1: I tried.
Speaker 4: I tried to move on to the next game.
Speaker 1: Again.
Speaker 2: Consenting adults go to town.
Speaker 1: Walking around, conditioning the air, walking around screwing each other's
Speaker 1: brains out. Okay, yeah, before I'm gonna what is Eternal Strands?
Speaker 1: I think this is the third time I was.
Speaker 5: I was way hotter on the support how it came out.
Speaker 5: It's okay, this sounds much better. I'm not meaning to
Speaker 5: insult this game, but it's like, it makes me think
Speaker 5: of Breath of the Wild meats Shadow of the Classes
Speaker 5: meets Dragon's Dogma, but I want to specifically tipper that
Speaker 5: with like but definitely not on that level.
Speaker 2: You know. This is definitely a smaller budget, more like
Speaker 2: an indie title. It is good.
Speaker 5: I was having a great time with it, and I do.
Speaker 5: I still think it's a really fun game, but UH
Speaker 5: avowed it. It's kind of one of those things where
Speaker 5: it's like, Okay, I can't imagine going back to finish
Speaker 5: it now. It's a lot of the same stuff. It's
Speaker 5: a lot of you know, magic going out crafting, killing
Speaker 5: things to you know, pick up things to upgrade your
Speaker 5: gear and stuff like that, and like it's good, Like
Speaker 5: it's got fun, like there's shadow of the costs of
Speaker 5: stuff is fun of like hunting these big gloss eye
Speaker 5: and hanging on to their wings while they're flying around
Speaker 5: and hacking at them, and you know, it's the magic
Speaker 5: feels good. Has a bunch of weird physics stuff going on,
Speaker 5: you know, like force powers and shit like that. It is.
Speaker 5: It is a good game, and I was having a
Speaker 5: lot of fun with it at a time where there
Speaker 5: wasn't really a lot else on my plate. But again,
Speaker 5: now that there is other stuff on my plate, and
Speaker 5: Avowed is just such a bigger experience, I think it'd
Speaker 5: be hard to go back to like a smaller scale.
Speaker 5: It's not exactly like an Avowed, definitely not, but it's
Speaker 5: I just don't think I could go back at this point,
Speaker 5: you know, But it's it's good.
Speaker 2: It is a good game.
Speaker 4: Eternal Strands kind of looks like at a glance.
Speaker 2: Phoenix writing the Old Gods, the Monsters, Mortals, Phoenix Rising. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's got that look.
Speaker 5: And I will say that the story it's It's very
Speaker 5: like that Prince of Persian New Crown, where it's like,
Speaker 5: I think I'm into everything but the story, the character
Speaker 5: is the art style, And I don't even think that's
Speaker 5: just like a me Dan, You're.
Speaker 3: Into everything but the story, the characters in the art style. Yeah, No,
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, I mean I'm just a lot yeah, thechanics.
Speaker 2: Gameplay, guy, it's.
Speaker 5: A fun game, you know, but it's like there's not
Speaker 5: a lot going on there with with anything else outside
Speaker 5: of just you know, pure gameplay loop stuff, which it
Speaker 5: does well. But uh yeah, it's just hard to get
Speaker 5: too excited about it. There's just you know, bigger and
Speaker 5: better out there. But I'm sure this is cheaper. It's
Speaker 5: so if you don't want to, if you don't have
Speaker 5: game Pass, or you don't want to spend fifty sixty
Speaker 5: dollars on a full fledged thing like it's a it's
Speaker 5: a fun little title.
Speaker 2: I would have been way hotter about this. We talked
Speaker 2: about this before about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, I think that's everything. No, yeah, rude, what
Speaker 1: did I forget.
Speaker 3: Under Magnolia bloom missed?
Speaker 4: That does not sound like a real You made that
Speaker 4: name up?
Speaker 3: That's a real game that I'm going to under.
Speaker 1: Magnolia bloom in the mess sounds like a game you
Speaker 1: would in the name, you would have made up for,
Speaker 1: like Mike's Game of the Year.
Speaker 5: You said that when I was talking about there that prequel,
Speaker 5: the one the predecessor under Quietest of the Night, under Something,
Speaker 5: you said the exact same thing. This is the sequel
Speaker 5: to that. I said that, Yeah, yeah, you said this
Speaker 5: sounds like a fake game. Yeah, under Lily's Quietest of
Speaker 5: the Night. And now it's Interermagnolia.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 3: So it's a metroid Vanian ann and I actually think
Speaker 3: it's pretty good. It's got some really neat mechanics where
Speaker 3: you are actually not fighting. There are homuncular I'm gonna
Speaker 3: try and say that right, and homuncular fight on your behalf.
Speaker 3: So when you hit attack, a person like comes out
Speaker 3: of you and slashes. The animation looks pretty sick and
Speaker 3: you end up getting I think I think four different
Speaker 3: homuncular and they each have different skills. There's one who
Speaker 3: has like a gun or he's like your ranger, and
Speaker 3: so when you want to shoot someone from afar, he
Speaker 3: like kind of comes out of you and shoots them.
Speaker 3: If you are doing a slash attack, there's one there's
Speaker 3: this fun guy who it's a charge and so you
Speaker 3: just kind of push forward and you can knock people
Speaker 3: off guard. A guy like shoots out of you and
Speaker 3: does that. So I think that's pretty neat. Visually, this
Speaker 3: is not my bag. You look God, I don't know
Speaker 3: if I can describe this art style, but you look
Speaker 3: like a little girl, very flat style drawn.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: It kind of reminds me of like Sultan Sanctuary, Like
Speaker 3: it's a very simple, desaturated, sad world, but very quickly.
Speaker 3: Oh and you get a wolf, which I fucking love,
Speaker 3: and I'll get to that. But I think what I
Speaker 3: have enjoyed about it is that very quickly this game
Speaker 3: ramped up and gave me several homunculi that allow me
Speaker 3: to play this game in lots of different ways. And
Speaker 3: you can upgrade your characters with different skill tree sets.
Speaker 3: They can be quite different, and so I feel like
Speaker 3: my build will be different than somebody else's build. I
Speaker 3: can have my person have a totally different type of gun,
Speaker 3: or my ranger can actually shoot out like these like
Speaker 3: spiral moves that attack in a very different way. You
Speaker 3: get lots of different mechanics. You can have a double
Speaker 3: handed hammer type weapon, or you can be quick with
Speaker 3: like slasher swords that are faster but they do less damage.
Speaker 3: And I was dashing and double jumping faster than I
Speaker 3: uh before. I was like, I'm frustrated. I want to
Speaker 3: have another move. This game is constantly giving you your
Speaker 3: next move, your next upgrade, your next skill set that
Speaker 3: lets you progress the game. So I liked the speed
Speaker 3: and the progression of this game. I also like the map.
Speaker 3: I will say I've had like a couple like, oh, like,
Speaker 3: this map is so big, but it's cool that the
Speaker 3: map is taking you all over the place. Because it
Speaker 3: is so big, there's lots to discover, and in that
Speaker 3: Metroid venue sense, you'll be like, I can't get past
Speaker 3: this wall. This is so annoying. Within like thirty minutes,
Speaker 3: you'll probably have figured that out and we'll now get
Speaker 3: past that part. So it doesn't tease you for too long.
Speaker 3: It lets you get lots of secret doors that open
Speaker 3: up quick paths and fast you know, just fast ways
Speaker 3: of fast travel so that you can you can move
Speaker 3: in the area quickly. I I'm trying to see how
Speaker 3: like far I am in it, I want to say,
Speaker 3: I'm probably I'm well over six hours seven hours in,
Speaker 3: so I am really liking it. My problem is is,
Speaker 3: like I'm really into the Mouse game, so I'm probably
Speaker 3: gonna finish that first. But as a metroid Vania enthusiast,
Speaker 3: I think Ender Magnolia is quite good and worth playing.
Speaker 3: And you know, if you're like I don't know what
Speaker 3: else to play, I've been playing this game with a
Speaker 3: whole for like three days, Like, give Ender Magnolia a try.
Speaker 3: I think it's a fantastic metroid vania.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've ever being impressed by the last one kind
Speaker 2: of came out of nowhere, and there's so many metro
Speaker 2: advenias nowadays, and I remember thinking that the like you
Speaker 2: know when you talk about the different summons or however
Speaker 2: you want to call them, Like, it's got an interesting
Speaker 2: take on combat, Like I should check this one out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's got a nice vibe to it as well.
Speaker 3: It's sorrowful, but it's not like too depressing. And I
Speaker 3: also think, respectfully, they've known when to shut up, Like
Speaker 3: I've really gotten to avoid talking, and a lot of
Speaker 3: this game, a lot of it is you can just
Speaker 3: like ZipZap through, like you know all of your humunculized
Speaker 3: backstory and get to the fighting. So I also respect
Speaker 3: that about this game. It knows its place. Let me
Speaker 3: fight the boss.
Speaker 2: Nice cool.
Speaker 1: I think that is everything. Pretty sure. I don't need
Speaker 1: to talk about Dragons Dogma two. They finally uncapped the
Speaker 1: frames on console.
Speaker 2: So I went back, Oh that's big, Okay.
Speaker 1: I still really like that game a lot. I like
Speaker 1: it about as much, but now it's not fucking chugging.
Speaker 1: I played like twenty hours of or Less a few weeks.
Speaker 2: That's one of those where I, yeah, I got code
Speaker 2: for PlayStation and I played it a little bit and
Speaker 2: I have the pro and it was like chugging, and
Speaker 2: I was like I had to go back and like,
Speaker 2: can I get it on PC? Like this is just
Speaker 2: like the performance was like noticeably annoying.
Speaker 1: I love the Pond system. I love making my pond,
Speaker 1: upgrading my pond, trading with other people's ponds. It's a
Speaker 1: if you can't tell I like Ponds, it's a it's
Speaker 1: a good game, so we get it. You like Ponds,
Speaker 1: I have I'm a pawn addict. Are you guys wanna
Speaker 1: emails or marry what what did you say?
Speaker 3: I have one more?
Speaker 1: You don't?
Speaker 4: Are you adding stuff?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: I thought of another one I played.
Speaker 2: Okay, wait, hold on is it I thought another one too.
Speaker 2: I've been playing Warrior Land.
Speaker 5: Oh wait, okay, Mary's adding it is Freezing Bulldog Assassin. You.
Speaker 3: I didn't type that, I done. That's not my game.
Speaker 1: What is your game?
Speaker 3: It says it's called Crab Champions.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that sounds more like a very.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Crab Champions. It's a real game that I played.
Speaker 3: With some of my coworkers for fun. This game is
Speaker 3: from twenty twenty three. Uh, it's a oh god, it's
Speaker 3: a crab third person crab shooter. They drop you off
Speaker 3: on an island. You have to kill everything once you've
Speaker 3: Once you've cleared the island, you get three treasure chests.
Speaker 3: You pick which treasure chests you want, which will give
Speaker 3: you one upgrade, So you can choose if you want
Speaker 3: to upgrade maybe your defense or your gun, or how
Speaker 3: fast you shoot, or your reload speed, or a million
Speaker 3: other things. There's actually so many different types of things
Speaker 3: you can upgrade, and then each island gets progressively harder.
Speaker 3: I think I died on Like island. Forty six or
Speaker 3: something like that. So eventually, like it gets so fucking
Speaker 3: hard that it is very difficult to get through. But
Speaker 3: your first like ten twenty, maybe even thirty islands, like
Speaker 3: you can kind of start churning through, but you're building
Speaker 3: your crab load out over time. Over time, you build
Speaker 3: like maybe someone who's so fast with one giant bullet gun,
Speaker 3: or maybe you have like two shooters and you're like
Speaker 3: constantly like shooting out lots and lots of bullets consistently.
Speaker 3: But it's really it's like a simple concept, but it's
Speaker 3: very fun and it has co op. You can play
Speaker 3: up to four people with these islands, and I think
Speaker 3: it'd be fun if we played.
Speaker 2: Cool.
Speaker 3: I feel like you never have anything to say about
Speaker 3: my games.
Speaker 1: I don't. There's not much to like.
Speaker 2: You guys didn't anything to say about the whole.
Speaker 1: Yeah I did. I said it was spoke after Civilization.
Speaker 1: Well that's oh, I'm Mary, I'm the vipiting here. No
Speaker 1: one said shit after civilization. Fuck you, we suck it up.
Speaker 3: You talked enough about it, and ditto to you, crab champion.
Speaker 2: I can keep talking about the whole.
Speaker 4: We get let's okay.
Speaker 1: On the kind of three, let's all talk about the
Speaker 1: alta about civilization. Dan talks, No, I don't want to
Speaker 1: do that. It's not gonna be fun.
Speaker 2: It's experiment.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you started that. It wasn't a good idea.
Speaker 3: Crab Champions, Champions, the shooting, there's a boss fight at
Speaker 3: the end.
Speaker 1: What is the other themes? What's the theme? What's the
Speaker 1: overarching are there?
Speaker 4: Is there a subtext?
Speaker 3: No, there's no there's no story. There's no dialogue at all.
Speaker 3: You start immediately as a crab and you just start killing.
Speaker 1: Let me do I'm gonna do my Waypoint host character.
Speaker 1: What about the meta text?
Speaker 3: Though there is no meta text? You're a crab?
Speaker 1: Is there an text here?
Speaker 2: What's you?
Speaker 1: Guys don't know what?
Speaker 4: Oh god right, I forgot You're you're not normally on Waypoint?
Speaker 2: Are they still around? They came back?
Speaker 1: What are what are what are the what kind.
Speaker 4: Of thematic undertow is there?
Speaker 1: The characters?
Speaker 3: It's definitely like an underdog story because you're like this
Speaker 3: simple little crab and you end up taking on these
Speaker 3: giant boss fights.
Speaker 1: It's about it's about class disparity, yeah, capitalism, colonialism. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just joking. I loved Waypoint. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It sounds like a simple game, and you you didn't.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna play it, but.
Speaker 3: Come on, it's your crab.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe i'll play it.
Speaker 4: What kind of crabs?
Speaker 1: Like a normal one?
Speaker 3: The red, the orange red? But you can actually change
Speaker 3: your color. You can change your skin when you play.
Speaker 3: You get unlockable so you can look like a green
Speaker 3: leaf and stuff like that, which I think is neat.
Speaker 3: But I think you just play it so that you
Speaker 3: can smash into stuff and kill it. It's hard to
Speaker 3: get health back, so you have to be really careful
Speaker 3: taking damage over time because you don't you're never guaranteed health.
Speaker 2: That's how life is.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe it's about healthcare systems.
Speaker 2: The crabs under capitalism.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, it's privatized.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like my game is to explore these things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, digging a hole. It's just uh, it's uh, it's
Speaker 1: about how all of us just are trying to escape
Speaker 1: reality capital All right, you've done enough are the crabs? Gay?
Speaker 1: I just don't like it.
Speaker 2: Could be.
Speaker 4: Want about emails to do that all the time? Do
Speaker 4: you want to read some emails?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, we're gonna get into emails.
Speaker 1: But first, and I'll mention this again at the end
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Speaker 1: doc Hensla Dan. I think this makes sense for you
Speaker 1: to read it considering the content.
Speaker 5: Okay, hey guys, so I recently fell down a nineties
Speaker 5: movie action marathon. This weekend, after getting off of shift
Speaker 5: at the hospital, I watched con Air, The Rock, Heat,
Speaker 5: and Bad Boys. I've seen all of these movies before,
Speaker 5: but at the age of thirty six, it's been fifteen
Speaker 5: to twenty years. Each of them had their flaws, but
Speaker 5: Heat was a movie I thought, I'm so fondly that
Speaker 5: when I watched it, I had to turn it off.
Speaker 5: The plot, especially the end, was so awful. What movie
Speaker 5: have you seen before?
Speaker 1: Wait? What? Heat?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: We just watched Heat recently. I absolutely it's still a
Speaker 1: good movie. But I think, yeah, it's still a really
Speaker 1: good movie. I didn't even see it back then. It's
Speaker 1: not an astulted thing. I saw it in my thirties.
Speaker 1: Watch again recently ago. It's one of me and Bong's favorites.
Speaker 1: I think it holds up like it's amazer than like.
Speaker 5: As much as I love the perfect film nineties action movies,
Speaker 5: I feel like Heat is a different level of like
Speaker 5: filmmaking and holding up.
Speaker 2: There's nothing cheesy about Heat.
Speaker 4: No, it's amazing. We watched it literally two or three
Speaker 4: weeks ago. It's great.
Speaker 1: But the question here, I think is still interesting that
Speaker 1: that doc had.
Speaker 5: What movie have you seen before that you think of?
Speaker 5: So finally, but when you watch again, it holds up
Speaker 5: like Dan's toilet after a Taco Bell night Listen, Doc,
Speaker 5: I've said up before, everyone makes that fucking joke about
Speaker 5: Taco Bell. He's like, Oh, I'm gonna get Taco Bell, Like, oh,
Speaker 5: feel bad for your toilet the next day. I haven't
Speaker 5: gotten diarrhea a single fucking time from Taco Bell. I've
Speaker 5: had Taco Bell five hundred times probably more in my life,
Speaker 5: never had a single diarrhea incident. I've had more diarrheas
Speaker 5: after healthy Thanksgiving dinners where I ate vegetables as a
Speaker 5: child than I ever did a Taco Bell. So between
Speaker 5: not like and heat and thank Taco Bell screws up
Speaker 5: my toilet. I don't know how I feel about this.
Speaker 5: Doc Inn's lock.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Doc, you're not scoring points. However, you have an
Speaker 1: answer a movie that I recently watched, A Man and
Speaker 1: I watched I think two years ago at this point
Speaker 1: that I decided is not nearly as good as I
Speaker 1: thought as Drive.
Speaker 2: That movie sucks.
Speaker 1: I've heard that and I remember thinking it was good.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what it is. It starts off on
Speaker 1: a high note. They're doing like the Coen Brothers. Not
Speaker 1: much dialogue, but you see the process, you see his escape,
Speaker 1: you see the bank robbery.
Speaker 4: It's awesome.
Speaker 1: As soon as fucking William winding Refin tries to do
Speaker 1: anything with characters, it falls apart. And I love Bronson.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I dislike all his movies. Uh, but
Speaker 1: it's the stuff with him. Is it Carry Mulligan or
Speaker 1: Michelle Uh? I think it's Kerry Mulligan the love interest. Yeah,
Speaker 1: their whole relationship where it's like this, it's just like
Speaker 1: eighties pop since stuff playing while they stare at each
Speaker 1: other without saying anything. Soundtrack is amazing and it's still
Speaker 1: a great looking movie and like the the the cinematography,
Speaker 1: but oh my god.
Speaker 3: My zoom just said, are you playing music?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Picked that up? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Are? They just stare at each other without saying anything,
Speaker 1: And like college me thought it was really romantic. I
Speaker 1: was like, that's what I want.
Speaker 4: I want, But like, now that I watch it with.
Speaker 1: Someone, I'm very deeply in love with him, Like this
Speaker 1: fucking sucks, Like I hate what who thought? Also, William
Speaker 1: finding Reffin said, like only God Forgives is a masterpiece,
Speaker 1: and William is it William Nicholas Finding Reffin. Sorry, William
Speaker 1: Friedkin is always on my mind when I say Nicholas
Speaker 1: Finding rEFInd because William Freakin interviewed him for like a
Speaker 1: movie podcast and Nicholas Finding Refin told him that he
Speaker 1: thinks only God Forgives is a masterpiece, and William Freakin
Speaker 1: laughed in his face.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like.
Speaker 5: Because Drive did very well and it was well regarded
Speaker 5: at the time, and then I feel like everything that
Speaker 5: referenced since then has been like not loved outside of
Speaker 5: Destraining Force.
Speaker 1: But I I I halfway through Drive, I told him
Speaker 1: at I was like, I thought this was better, Like
Speaker 1: I remember this being very good.
Speaker 4: No, it's her first time.
Speaker 5: Isn't that the worst feeling when it's like you remember
Speaker 5: something it's good, it's like, oh, this one's gonna be awesome,
Speaker 5: and you can tell it's like this is yeah, very well.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: That doesn't surprise me about Drive, I think that's a bummer.
Speaker 3: But I remember when I I remember being like, there's
Speaker 3: so much atmosphere, but I don't remember anything about I
Speaker 3: don't remember one line or like one character development where
Speaker 3: I was like, ah, that's good stuff. Like I just
Speaker 3: remember the the visual style, how it looks and how
Speaker 3: it sounded is how.
Speaker 1: I remember it.
Speaker 2: I remember someone gets beat up in an elevator.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he stops, he's like he stomps his skull and
Speaker 1: then he looks over at Carrie Mulligan with his face
Speaker 1: covered in blood, and it does that like he does
Speaker 1: a slow back out of frame. It's very artistic. Nicholas
Speaker 1: Vining Refin is a genius. Yeah, I think that. I
Speaker 1: think that movie has aged very poorly, or it was
Speaker 1: always like that and I just grew out of liking it.
Speaker 4: I think that's what really happens sometimes.
Speaker 3: I think it's us right, Like it's not that the
Speaker 3: movie hasn't changed. The movie is the same, and we
Speaker 3: are now like in a different frame of mind. I
Speaker 3: think I have a good answer for this, which is
Speaker 3: almost every movie that was about like trying to get
Speaker 3: some in high school or there's that like era where
Speaker 3: it was like uh after. I'm not going to include
Speaker 3: American Pie because I think that was kind of like
Speaker 3: iconic for its time, and I do actually think it
Speaker 3: has some timeless qualities. But I'm going to include a
Speaker 3: lot of the ones after it, including the main one
Speaker 3: that I think is like to me prolific in this,
Speaker 3: which is Van Wilder.
Speaker 1: I never saw, Oh god, Ryan Reynolds annoys me in
Speaker 1: generally so bad.
Speaker 3: I think that I went through a phase watching Waiting,
Speaker 3: Oh I had to and Van Wilder this was during
Speaker 3: his earlier years of acting very different than where he
Speaker 3: is now. But he's actually kind of the same annoying
Speaker 3: character in all of his films, but in this earlier
Speaker 3: genre he kind of played like the cool guy who
Speaker 3: was funny and had like really good facial expressions, who
Speaker 3: always got the girl in the end or something like that.
Speaker 3: And there was a time in my life where I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, good, another teen sex comedy where like
Speaker 3: funny things will happen and they will, you know. And
Speaker 3: I thought with this college one, it might be like
Speaker 3: I don't know, just other college films of that era
Speaker 3: where they would fight, yeah, they would fight with the
Speaker 3: rival fraternity or whatever. But in Van Wilder and I
Speaker 3: actually like stumbled across like Van Wilder references somehow on
Speaker 3: the Internet and I was like, oh my god, I
Speaker 3: can't believe that I watched this film where they delivered
Speaker 3: like pastries to the rival frat that they didn't like.
Speaker 3: And after they were eating all these pastries and had
Speaker 3: finished them, they saw that the bottom of the basket
Speaker 3: was it. They were like empty donuts that they had
Speaker 3: jacked the dog off with and they were eating. They
Speaker 3: were eating dog semen in these pastries. This is a
Speaker 3: plot point. There's a plot point in the film. They're
Speaker 3: showing close ups of people like eating these pastries all
Speaker 3: over their face. This kind of is connected to what
Speaker 3: Dan sad about earlier. And it's just like they're saying
Speaker 3: like fucked up stuff while they're doing it, like, oh, man,
Speaker 3: I think I've had these before, like oh, they're still warm,
Speaker 3: and like I just remember I remember like somehow suddling
Speaker 3: across and being like when did I this waiting? And
Speaker 3: Waiting's fucked up too because they play the game where
Speaker 3: they like show each other's dicks to go.
Speaker 4: I had to watch it on the floor of dance basement.
Speaker 3: Away by this history. But that's real stuff.
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever seen Ryan Reynolds in a movie.
Speaker 1: Dan, why you made me watch Waiting on your basements?
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 5: It was doctor Ryan did a donation during a charity
Speaker 5: stream in movie. I don't think I've ever seen a
Speaker 5: Ryan Reilds movie. It's just homophone one video game where
Speaker 5: we covered.
Speaker 2: That no free free, Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know
Speaker 2: by that guy.
Speaker 1: You know, he's never out of character in Welcome Marexham
Speaker 1: him and Rob Mackelhoney, like Ryan Reynolds cannot not be
Speaker 1: in that character.
Speaker 4: Oh it's it's truly annoying.
Speaker 2: I'm guessing.
Speaker 5: Ah, I remember liking Jungle to Jungle in nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 5: I'm guessing that it doesn't hold up.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: I never saw it.
Speaker 5: Tim Allen is a high powered executive in New York City,
Speaker 5: and uh, he goes to South America and uh, his
Speaker 5: ex wife introduces him to a kid that was raised
Speaker 5: in like a tribal village.
Speaker 2: Oh jungle, like concrete jungle, Jungle to.
Speaker 5: Jungle, and then he takes this kid was raised with
Speaker 5: like a blowgo and takes him back to Manhattan. I'm
Speaker 5: guessing that's not good.
Speaker 1: Probably not similar storyline, probably still kicks asses in Sino
Speaker 1: man I.
Speaker 3: Actually holds up, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't like this. I just love Sean Assen, I
Speaker 1: love Brendan Fraser. Uh what was the movie I was
Speaker 1: speaking of high school kids trying to have sex. Super Bad.
Speaker 2: That's like a weird that's so weird. That's on the soundboard.
Speaker 4: No, yeah, super Bad is that's the plot point.
Speaker 1: They're trying to get beer and then go to a
Speaker 1: party and hook up with these with Emma Stone and
Speaker 1: I don't know the other actor's name, but that was
Speaker 1: like a defining movie for my high school years.
Speaker 3: I like that movie still, the American Pie for like
Speaker 3: the next get Yeah, I haven't watched.
Speaker 2: It in a few years, and I wonder if it's
Speaker 2: I don't remember enough specifics, but like I remember being
Speaker 2: as smart like Apatow, like.
Speaker 4: It was Judd Apatow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I remember. I would hope that holds up
Speaker 2: Seth Rogan like a lot of talent there. Yeah yeah, uh,
Speaker 2: he still fucking rules. I don't know what the hell
Speaker 2: they're talking about. It's awesome, It is fucking incredible.
Speaker 1: Uh. None other's none, No others come to mind. Like
Speaker 1: I still watch Annihilation pretty regularly, and that movie's still
Speaker 1: really fucking good. Actually avowed the vine stuff growing out
Speaker 1: of People reminded me of Annihilation. Yep.
Speaker 5: I've been thinking about Annihilation a lot during that. I'm
Speaker 5: hoping because tomorrow night, Bonk and I are gonna watch
Speaker 5: two thousand and one, and I haven't seen it since
Speaker 5: I was high school Kubrick film obsessive, serious film guy,
Speaker 5: and I remember loving two thousand and one, and she
Speaker 5: thinks she's seen some parts of it, but it's been
Speaker 5: forever and doesn't know if she's seen the whole movie.
Speaker 5: And I think I've kind of built it up because
Speaker 5: it's like it's Kubrick and it's like it's like a
Speaker 5: Gama's favorite movie of all time. It's like this is
Speaker 5: like awesome. So little high watched two thousand and one.
Speaker 5: I'm hoping that. I mean, it's like it's probably gonna
Speaker 5: be like the second oldest movie we've ever watched together,
Speaker 5: behind like Casablanca.
Speaker 2: It's the sixties. I mean, this is an older one.
Speaker 4: So no, the Godfather Part one, wouldn't that have been before?
Speaker 2: I think that was seventies. That was seventies.
Speaker 4: God two thousand and one was sixties.
Speaker 2: I think it was late. I want to say it
Speaker 2: was like sixty nine or something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's I'm amazed that you even got it when
Speaker 3: you were younger Dan.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I did. I think I just
Speaker 2: thought Cooper was very cool and like sunbelizably.
Speaker 3: If you like good cinema, you would know that two
Speaker 3: thousand Space Odyssey was all about symbolism. Symbolism.
Speaker 2: If you have a minute appreciation of good cinema, Yeah.
Speaker 4: It's nineteen sixty eight.
Speaker 1: God damn, yeahs nineteen sixty eight. Yeah, I watched it
Speaker 1: a few years ago. It's like it's it's hard to
Speaker 1: look at and not be mesmerized.
Speaker 5: Visually, and like the audio. I remember being like, this
Speaker 5: is incredible. Yeah, maybe I'll understand more now as a
Speaker 5: you know, refined the symbolism attuned adult The.
Speaker 1: Only other movie I would say that if I watched recently,
Speaker 1: that did not hold up as well as I thought.
Speaker 1: And I don't think it's bad by any means still,
Speaker 1: but I did not like it follows as much when
Speaker 1: I watched it recently.
Speaker 3: Oh that's a bummer. I still talk really highly of
Speaker 3: that movie, and I still recommend it for horror fanatics
Speaker 3: as like a good vibe. I could see that it's
Speaker 3: maybe slower on your second go, like, once you know
Speaker 3: all the secrets, what makes it scary as you're like, what.
Speaker 1: Is going on?
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I still think it's decent.
Speaker 1: I think horror movies just get like go leaps and
Speaker 1: bounds every time a new one comes out. And then
Speaker 1: now that like Robert Eggers and Ari Astor are doing
Speaker 1: their thing, everything they release is just kind of changing
Speaker 1: the genre in some way. So I don't know, maybe
Speaker 1: it's just like horror is just evolving so quickly that
Speaker 1: it just feels a bit dated now.
Speaker 5: But I mean, I've never been a big horror guy,
Speaker 5: and Bonk isn't a big fan either for the most part.
Speaker 5: But Barbarians, Seriously, both of us were head over heels
Speaker 5: for that movie that.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's so well made and it's it is
Speaker 3: like extraordinary at its ability to create tension. And I
Speaker 3: also think, as someone who is a horror aficionado and
Speaker 3: has seen most horror films out there, one of my
Speaker 3: favorite things is when you can play with the juxaposition
Speaker 3: of like horror and then have a bit of laugh
Speaker 3: and then back to horror, and that movie kills it.
Speaker 3: Like there is genuine laugh out loud moments in that
Speaker 3: in that movie, and they will also it will absolutely
Speaker 3: make you shit your pants. With how scary it is,
Speaker 3: but it's funny, it's playful.
Speaker 5: There's so much I would say about it, about what's
Speaker 5: surprising and stuff about it that like I just don't
Speaker 5: want to do here because I wouldn't want to rob
Speaker 5: anyone of Like you guys told me to, like don't
Speaker 5: look up anything about it, and I didn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that helped, Like this is just a trust
Speaker 2: me thing, like yeah, it's yeah.
Speaker 3: I think it's really important for a lot of horror
Speaker 3: films specifically because I think unlike a rom com or
Speaker 3: something like that, where when you explain the plot that
Speaker 3: might intrigue people, the whole point generally of horror is
Speaker 3: to understand what's happening, right, Like a lot of tension
Speaker 3: comes from not knowing what's going on and misdirection, and
Speaker 3: this movie misdirects the viewer multiple times. So if you
Speaker 3: look it up, you're not going to be misdirected and
Speaker 3: you won't have the same experience as someone else. That's
Speaker 3: why I feel really strongly about honestly never looking at
Speaker 3: a trailer of any movie ever. I just saw Heretic,
Speaker 3: which is a really cool concept of a horror movie,
Speaker 3: and they totally misdirected me, and I loved it. But
Speaker 3: it's it's that like he always plays like a romance
Speaker 3: film lead because he's such a cute cutie Patuti. I
Speaker 3: have to look up his name. You guys are gonna
Speaker 3: be like, of course, Hugh Grant. He's like such a cutie.
Speaker 3: But in this movie he's not a good guy. And
Speaker 3: there are these door to door people talking about religion
Speaker 3: and he invites them in and then like fucked up
Speaker 3: stuff happens and he's like, yeah, tell me about your religion,
Speaker 3: and then shit goes down. The trailer misleads and like
Speaker 3: kind of like I never finished trailers. I usually go
Speaker 3: like thirty seconds and be like is this for me?
Speaker 3: But the trailer makes it. I thought it was gonna
Speaker 3: be like Saw where he was going to like put
Speaker 3: them in like fuck them situations, you know, like where
Speaker 3: it's like are you going to save the three people
Speaker 3: and move the train or are you gonna save one person?
Speaker 3: What's better for your God? It's not that at all.
Speaker 3: It's like totally different. But anyway, I actually kind of
Speaker 3: liked it just because of how stressful they made it.
Speaker 3: But the point I'm trying to make is I find
Speaker 3: it very important to not find to not figure out
Speaker 3: the plot of a horror movie, because the best parts
Speaker 3: of most of the horrors that I have loved have
Speaker 3: been what is this movie even about? What are they
Speaker 3: trying to do? And how do they trick me into
Speaker 3: figuring out what it's actually about? The substance does that really?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 3: If you look too much shit up, you'll ruin it
Speaker 3: for yourself. You will don't look up horror movies. I'm
Speaker 3: telling you, just watch them and a half.
Speaker 5: I will watch a trailer, like I'll do that, but
Speaker 5: I don't read beyond it. Like I just showed Bank
Speaker 5: the trailer for Mickey seventeen.
Speaker 3: Make seventeen looks dope. I'm very excited about that.
Speaker 5: We're going to see that opening weekend, and like, yeah,
Speaker 5: I'll watch the trailer and that will get me in
Speaker 5: the door for sure. Like, although if you say it's
Speaker 5: from the director Parasite, that also would probably work.
Speaker 2: But the trailer was very good.
Speaker 3: There's lots of ways to hook you. I think horror
Speaker 3: is a specific genre where I like to do it
Speaker 3: by word of mouth. When someone says watch this horror movie,
Speaker 3: I just watch it. I don't really question it, and
Speaker 3: I find that that yields better results than looking up
Speaker 3: stuff and then possibly having it get altered. For me,
Speaker 3: it's just so important to not have that be messed up.
Speaker 5: That's a special tear friend where I feel that way
Speaker 5: with you guys about like Mary, you gave me the
Speaker 5: hard cell on Barbarian and I was like, all right,
Speaker 5: I trust Mary.
Speaker 2: Mary wouldn't stand me wrong.
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna go in blind Mike with games as
Speaker 5: several times been like hey, trust me, just try Outer
Speaker 5: Wilds or something, and led to it. So like yeah,
Speaker 5: you two, like you know Ben Hansen, ten Terry. You know,
Speaker 5: I've got friends that I'm like, okay, you know my
Speaker 5: taste enough, I respect your taste enough where I'm just
Speaker 5: going to go off your recommendation purely.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I think I have a horror movie that I watched
Speaker 3: the other day that I was like, this was such
Speaker 3: my jam in high school, and now I was like, ooh,
Speaker 3: it doesn't hold up anymore. It was this one. Oh man,
Speaker 3: you guys are gonna laugh as I try to solve
Speaker 3: this riddle in real time. As I describe it, a
Speaker 3: person is being stalked and they everyone around them is
Speaker 3: dying because of Urban Legends, and the movie is called
Speaker 3: Final Destination Urban Legends.
Speaker 2: Wait, is that the name of it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's actually okay, it's not good. That's unfortunate. I
Speaker 3: watched it again and the other day it doesn't hold up.
Speaker 3: But the movie Urban Legends. When I was growing up,
Speaker 3: I was like, this movie's fucking so sick. Can I
Speaker 3: spoil it? Or is that not cool?
Speaker 5: He needs you can spoil nineteen ninety eight Urban Legends
Speaker 5: starring Jared Leto.
Speaker 2: I think that's fair.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, please do.
Speaker 3: I forgot he was in this Okay. Urban Legends starts
Speaker 3: out with a girl in the car and she's getting
Speaker 3: gas on a rainy night and a guy is like
Speaker 3: he has a stutter and he's he's scaring her, and
Speaker 3: he's like, I need to talk to you, got to
Speaker 3: come in the gas station. And then she's like, you
Speaker 3: don't need to talk to me. You're trying to kill
Speaker 3: me or whatever, and he's like no, no, no, that's
Speaker 3: not right. But he can't speak very well, and so
Speaker 3: she runs back into the car and tries to get away,
Speaker 3: and as she runs away, he goes there's someone in
Speaker 3: the buck seat, and there's someone in the back seat
Speaker 3: with an axe and they chop her up, And that's
Speaker 3: the opening sequence of Urban Legends, to which I was like,
Speaker 3: what the fuck, that's so crazy. Fast forward, There's a girl.
Speaker 3: She's in college. People around her start mysteriously dying. Her
Speaker 3: roommate is a total goth and keeps fucking. She comes
Speaker 3: home and she thinks her roommate's fucking, but she's actually
Speaker 3: being like choked to death by a killer. But because
Speaker 3: she thinks she's fucking, she doesn't get involved and goes
Speaker 3: to sleep and her roommate dies right next to her
Speaker 3: in the bed. Crazy stuff. Right then she goes on
Speaker 3: a date with a guy who I think is also
Speaker 3: a famous actor. I think it's like Ryan Phillippy or something.
Speaker 2: It's the posters are the most like nineties stars I've
Speaker 2: ever reads in it.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, I see that's the other guy. No, okay, sorry,
Speaker 3: it's the blonde guy from UH. I don't want to
Speaker 3: wait for our lives to be colder?
Speaker 1: Doin?
Speaker 2: Joshua Jackson. Joshua Jackson's in it. Josh Jackson right now
Speaker 2: is in it.
Speaker 3: So they go on a date and he's like trying
Speaker 3: to fuck her and She's like, no, I'm not ready
Speaker 3: yet because I'm a prude, and he's like, whatever, you prude.
Speaker 3: And he gets out of the car and the killer
Speaker 3: puts a noose around his neck and strings him up,
Speaker 3: but he's on top of the car. So she's in
Speaker 3: the car freaking out because she can hear something squeaking
Speaker 3: on the top of the car, but it's him trying
Speaker 3: to get her to stay because he needs to keep
Speaker 3: his feet on the car so that he doesn't get killed.
Speaker 3: But it's freaking her out, so she drives the car
Speaker 3: away and kills him. It's sick right in my brain.
Speaker 3: As a child, when I was like a teen, I
Speaker 3: was like, this movie's so fucking cool. All these deaths.
Speaker 1: So sick.
Speaker 3: Upon revisiting Urban Legend, this movie, it is so obvious
Speaker 3: who the killer is. It is so obvious what is
Speaker 3: going on, And a lot of these scenes are just
Speaker 3: grossly not well put together. There's plot holes galore in it.
Speaker 3: Tara Reid is like in the radio host and she's
Speaker 3: constantly like giving sex advice, like leave him, honey, like
Speaker 3: you need a real man, and the killer is in
Speaker 3: the booth, so she's running to all these different audio
Speaker 3: booths trying to avoid the killer, and the killer finds
Speaker 3: her even though she locked the door. They just appear
Speaker 3: in the door and they axs her to death. It's like,
Speaker 3: there's no it doesn't make sense how everything happens. The
Speaker 3: timelines are fucked up, there's plot holes everywhere. People are
Speaker 3: just constantly dying in it. I just don't think it
Speaker 3: just didn't hold up the way that I had remembered
Speaker 3: this like iconic piece of cinema. So unfortunately Urban Legend
Speaker 3: does not hold up.
Speaker 5: But I'm guessing they got their stuff together by the
Speaker 5: time the third movie Urban Legends, Bloody Mary, came out.
Speaker 5: During Kate Mara, I have seen that one.
Speaker 3: I don't think I ever watched one past the third one.
Speaker 3: They even have Urban Legends final cut.
Speaker 2: Yeah that was the second one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, four point four on Rotten to Oh that's a shame.
Speaker 3: I really liked these teen slashers. I also think they're generational.
Speaker 3: I know what you did last summer. Very iconic for
Speaker 3: me growing up like Scream, big fan of Jennifer love Hewett.
Speaker 3: The Scream series is iconic, So yeah, these are important
Speaker 3: to me, and Urban Legend was a part of that time.
Speaker 3: Valentine I saw in theaters, which is so fucking funny
Speaker 3: because there is a new Valentine horror movie coming out
Speaker 3: for this generation. It just probably came out.
Speaker 1: Just now, Valentine, or is it not My Bloody Valentine?
Speaker 3: So the new one that just came out that you
Speaker 3: are talking about is called My blood Valentine, and it's
Speaker 3: about a killer that's killing couples in love, probably because
Speaker 3: they're a forlorned lover. Valentine is the one that came
Speaker 3: out when I was in high school, and it was
Speaker 3: also about a killer that was killing people's because they
Speaker 3: were a forlorned lover. And Denise Richards is in it.
Speaker 3: Can I just describe this this scene, it's so sick.
Speaker 3: Denise Richards is in a hot tub.
Speaker 1: I think she's gone.
Speaker 3: It's Valentine. Denise Richards isn't a hot tub. I think
Speaker 3: she's gonna bang, but it like doesn't work out or
Speaker 3: something like that. This hot tub has a glass lid
Speaker 3: or like plastic lid cover. The killer scares her and
Speaker 3: she falls into the hot tub and they put the
Speaker 3: glass tub the lid on so she can't breathe, and
Speaker 3: then they get a drill and they start drilling through
Speaker 3: the lid to drill through her body, but they miss her,
Speaker 3: and then she like puts her mouth on the whole
Speaker 3: to suck oxygen because she can't fucking breathe this hot tub.
Speaker 3: But eventually they I think they saw her. I think,
Speaker 3: are they drill her. They get the right drill and
Speaker 3: they drill right into her body and she dies in there.
Speaker 3: It's fucking crazy. I hope you like me because I
Speaker 3: could do it. Dude, Google Valentine Denise Richard's hot tub scene.
Speaker 3: Mike's way ahead of you. Yeah, Dan is like I
Speaker 3: watched that scene. I didn't feel a thing. I didn't
Speaker 3: even know it was romantic.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 5: No, with movies, I got normal horny all the time.
Speaker 5: Movies I got super horny. Most of my horny was
Speaker 5: with movies. I understand that.
Speaker 1: Fully.
Speaker 3: My horny is movie base.
Speaker 2: Okay, in Golden Yeah.
Speaker 3: You're still normal anyway. I think there's a lot of
Speaker 3: horror movies that probably don't hold up like I wanted
Speaker 3: them to, especially from my high school era. But I mean,
Speaker 3: I just still have soft spots for a lot of
Speaker 3: these horror movies because when I was growing up, I
Speaker 3: was like, that's fucking crazy. I can't believe you killed
Speaker 3: Denise Richards like that, but I doubt it holds water anymore.
Speaker 1: Ah, that was a hot tub pun.
Speaker 3: But she like sucks through the hole, so yeah, she probably.
Speaker 4: Okay. Well, thank you, Doc Hansler, minus the heat slander.
Speaker 1: You're wrong.
Speaker 2: I can't divide that note.
Speaker 1: I could do this one from Jake from Media Pa
Speaker 1: or is it Medea? I don't know. Hello, Escape Artists.
Speaker 1: I'm a longtime email her first time listener. In twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four, I made a New Year's resolution to read more.
Speaker 1: I started small and set a goal to read six books.
Speaker 1: I also joined a book club to make sure I
Speaker 1: hit that goal. I had such a blast reading the
Speaker 1: assigned books that I crushed my goal and ended.
Speaker 4: Up reading sixteen books.
Speaker 1: Excuse me. In the midst of this goal, there's an
Speaker 1: email that came in asking for book recommendations, and Mike
Speaker 1: gave some titles that I jotted down with the intent
Speaker 1: to submit them to the group. I'm happy to say
Speaker 1: I just finished In the Distance by Aaron and Diaz,
Speaker 1: and I'm excited to hear what my group thinks of
Speaker 1: it when it gets discussed.
Speaker 4: In April, I love that book.
Speaker 1: Anyway, this twenty twenty four resolution has reshaped my thoughts
Speaker 1: on reading and now it's a full hobby of mine
Speaker 1: instead of something I do once in a blue moon.
Speaker 1: So my question to you all is was there a
Speaker 1: resolution you made in the past that ended up being
Speaker 1: something you stuck to well after the year was made.
Speaker 1: Thanks for all the laughs, I hope you're twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five is starting out well. Jake from Media Media, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3: That's a great question.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I try not to do too many, just like specifically, like, oh,
Speaker 2: New Year's resolutions, because I feel like that's just like,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know if you're going to do
Speaker 2: something to.
Speaker 1: Do it arbitrary timeline. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean, you know, there.
Speaker 5: Are definitely those times where it's like, you know, after
Speaker 5: the holidays, you know, Okay, starting in January, I'm gonna
Speaker 5: blah blah blah. And it's almost always like a health
Speaker 5: or food or exercise related thing. So I feel like,
Speaker 5: not necessarily just a New Year's thing, but just a
Speaker 5: life long thing of trying to kind of hone in
Speaker 5: what works for me in terms of eating and exercising
Speaker 5: and things like that. Like you learn things, and you
Speaker 5: pick things up and you ebb and flow and stuff
Speaker 5: like that, and it's you know, you hope that each
Speaker 5: year you're in you're out, a couple things stick with you.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: It's like, oh, I found out that I like yoga,
Speaker 5: so I've been doing yoga for twenty years, you know,
Speaker 5: stuff like that, or the running stuff, you know, the
Speaker 5: things I learned from last year with the half marathons
Speaker 5: that I'm bringing into this year with the full marathons
Speaker 5: and stuff. But it's rarely like specifically a like New
Speaker 5: Year's resolution thing.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I'm very similar to you Dan. I almost avoid New
Speaker 3: Year's resolutions because I lose. It can depress me or
Speaker 3: make me sad when I break them, and so I
Speaker 3: try and give myself lots of leniency with my resolutions.
Speaker 3: And so you know, talking about the reading one of
Speaker 3: like having six books a year, Jake, Like, that's what
Speaker 3: I did, and I did not read sixteen. That's so
Speaker 3: cool that you were like able to read that much.
Speaker 3: I usually like barely hit my goals, So I leave
Speaker 3: my goals really really loose and light, so that I
Speaker 3: give myself escapes if I have something that comes up
Speaker 3: in my personal life or like something happens to me.
Speaker 3: A good one that I did years ago was I
Speaker 3: got a fitbit through something. I think it was like
Speaker 3: through like a work. It was like a prize or
Speaker 3: something like that, and I was like, cool, this is right.
Speaker 3: By New Year's I will walk more. And I am
Speaker 3: so into walking every day now and I make a
Speaker 3: point to walk every day. I've upgraded my fitbit to
Speaker 3: the newest version. And it's not like I need to
Speaker 3: hit a certain amount of miles or that I need
Speaker 3: to go running three days a week. It's not that
Speaker 3: it's my fitbit buzzes once a day at least to
Speaker 3: be like, hey, you haven't walked yet today. And I
Speaker 3: make a point to walk every day. It's important to me.
Speaker 3: I even got like one of those like walking things
Speaker 3: that I can put under my desk so I can
Speaker 3: walk if I.
Speaker 2: Can't underdsk treadmill. Right, that's so cool.
Speaker 3: I mean I like that kind of stuff. And so
Speaker 3: for me, mineor much more lenient, but walking every day,
Speaker 3: making sure to read several books a year. I say
Speaker 3: several because it could be ten and it could be
Speaker 3: two based on how big they are. And like the
Speaker 3: shit that goes down in my life. And then I'd
Speaker 3: say the last one that's been really beneficial is although
Speaker 3: I do go on and off of it. I had
Speaker 3: a New Year's resolution I think three years ago to
Speaker 3: fast and I still to this day use it as
Speaker 3: an excellent method to stop snacking late at night. But
Speaker 3: I can go off of it, but I go back
Speaker 3: on it all the time. It's like a great system
Speaker 3: for me to be like, you don't need to eat
Speaker 3: snacks after ten pm every night, you just don't need it.
Speaker 3: And so like that's been.
Speaker 1: Good for me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I like what you said about like not going
Speaker 5: too crazy. You said to like be lenient with yourself
Speaker 5: on it, because like I kind of do the mistake
Speaker 5: where I go way too hard too suddenly all the time.
Speaker 5: And so like, you know, I finished that last half
Speaker 5: marathon in October, and since then, you know, I put
Speaker 5: on a lot of the weight that I lost over
Speaker 5: all that stuff.
Speaker 2: You know, I put on twenty five pounds since then.
Speaker 5: And it's like, all right, well, I need to be ready,
Speaker 5: you know, once May comes around, I'm training for the marathon.
Speaker 5: So January like one of the few like strict things
Speaker 5: I told myself, you know, with January was that I
Speaker 5: want this to be my biggest steps month ever in
Speaker 5: terms of average steps a day. And so I looked
Speaker 5: back years and it's like, all right, I got to
Speaker 5: be you know, my best average was when I lived
Speaker 5: in New York City and I was walking all the time,
Speaker 5: and I got like over thirteen thousand steps a day.
Speaker 5: And so I told myself, well yeah, and I told
Speaker 5: myself that, like, okay, January, you know, I'm going to
Speaker 5: go for like fifteen to twenty.
Speaker 2: Thousand steps a day, you know, so that way the
Speaker 2: average will be the best ever. And so I got
Speaker 2: I have this underdesk treadmill, and I was walking like
Speaker 2: hours a day. I was walking so fucking much, and
Speaker 2: it was you know, it's cold outside, can't go outside,
Speaker 2: so it's just like on the treadmill hours every day.
Speaker 2: And I did it.
Speaker 5: I broke my step record. But now it's like the
Speaker 5: intention was I was going to do that, and then
Speaker 5: that was going to lead into more like cardio stuff
Speaker 5: like daily you know, runs and bikes on the peloton
Speaker 5: and stuff like that. But my feet are fucked up
Speaker 5: now because I went too hard all of a sudden,
Speaker 5: like I put on you know, twenty plus pounds. Now
Speaker 5: I'm walking more than I've ever walked in my life,
Speaker 5: and now my ankles and my the balls, my feet.
Speaker 5: Now my plan for shita stuff is like shitty now.
Speaker 5: And it's like, God, you got to find that middle ground.
Speaker 5: You can't just go from zero to one hundred and
Speaker 5: expect your body to be like yeah, that's fine, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: but that's the thing you.
Speaker 3: Got to learn, you know, yeah, you just I think
Speaker 3: some of it is like just the mentality as well,
Speaker 3: because for me, if I break a New Year's resolution,
Speaker 3: I'll feel pretty bad about myself and be like, of
Speaker 3: course you were never gonna do that.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: If I was like read a book every month and
Speaker 3: one month I miss my thing, I will quit and
Speaker 3: I'll be like I'll just not do it anymore. But
Speaker 3: if my if my limit is really reasonable, or if
Speaker 3: I have a lot of flexibility, then all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: it's like you're allowed to have an off month. And
Speaker 3: this is for like everyone who needs to hear that.
Speaker 3: Right now, you're allowed to have an off month. You're
Speaker 3: allowed You're allowed for work to be too busy or
Speaker 3: something personal to happen, or for you to just emotionally
Speaker 3: or physically have an ailment of some kind and be like, shit,
Speaker 3: now I need three weeks to get my shit together.
Speaker 3: That's allowed. And so what I don't like about New
Speaker 3: Year's resolutions is it doesn't often give you that ability
Speaker 3: for you to just pick yourself back up and get
Speaker 3: there again. So like give yourself that, and like fuck
Speaker 3: your New Year's resolution for a second. The purpose of
Speaker 3: it was just to push yourself. So take a moment,
Speaker 3: get it back together, and then push yourself again, even
Speaker 3: if it's a small little push.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I also don't really go hard on New Year's resolutions,
Speaker 1: but in the sense that, like I have had things
Speaker 1: become full fledged hobbies that I did not really intend on.
Speaker 1: Like I do a lot lot of indoor gardening, Like
Speaker 1: much of my every single Sunday is pruning plants, repotting them.
Speaker 1: We have skylights here, which is great that I can
Speaker 1: make use.
Speaker 3: Of that, and like you've got lots of natural light
Speaker 3: in your place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so like we uh project we're doing now I'm
Speaker 1: just putting hanging plants in every window.
Speaker 3: But like it.
Speaker 1: I'm always impressed by people who like they can play
Speaker 1: an instrument, they know several languages. They have those like
Speaker 1: they just went hard and got really good at a
Speaker 1: few things, And.
Speaker 4: I'm like, well, what are my hobbies?
Speaker 1: Like I read a lot, like I'm definitely into wine,
Speaker 1: but I also like, I'm like I forget that I'm
Speaker 1: I also spend a lot of time like doing some
Speaker 1: indoor gardening. It's just something that I enjoy so much.
Speaker 1: I don't even think of it as a hobby that
Speaker 1: I would put like in my bio, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: So like I definitely kind of like I think I
Speaker 1: got a couple plants a few years ago, and now
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's just like it's parts of
Speaker 1: our apartment are like a jungle. But yeah, in that regard,
Speaker 1: it's actually like I don't I haven't made a New
Speaker 1: Year's resolution in a bit. I definitely this year have
Speaker 1: already been or just like not even this year, like
Speaker 1: since last fall, have been running a lot more Like
Speaker 1: I'm I exercise pretty often, but like do.
Speaker 2: You do outside in New York?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: You do?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Is that hard with all the streets and crossing now.
Speaker 1: My neighborhood, My like if I go like to the
Speaker 1: south end of my neighborhood, back up, the water. The
Speaker 1: water especially it's really trail, but also like I know
Speaker 1: the streets well enough to know which intersections are going
Speaker 1: to be dead when i'm and which ones have stop
Speaker 1: signs as opposed to traffic lights, et cetera. It's yeah,
Speaker 1: I wasn't really a new Year's resolution. It's just like
Speaker 1: I sleep so much better on average when I'm running more.
Speaker 1: I lift a lot, like a decent amount. It's just
Speaker 1: like running as that extra layer to my exercise schedule
Speaker 1: where I sleep really well. I get outside more even
Speaker 1: when the weather's shitty, which I kind of enjoy. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's definitely something that I do as more of
Speaker 1: a hobby now. But yeah, I haven't. I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't really put much stock in the January first let's
Speaker 1: get after it kind of thing. If that works for you, cool,
Speaker 1: But a lot of people, yeah, yeah, and like there's
Speaker 1: like a collective thing about it. Like it's like it
Speaker 1: can be inspirational or like motivational for to know that
Speaker 1: a lot of other people are trying and like getting
Speaker 1: to the gym or cooking more, what have you, But
Speaker 1: like you know, it's for me, I'm just like I
Speaker 1: don't know that the month that the calendar seems arbitrary,
Speaker 1: why not just like, yeah, it's sort of to Mary's point,
Speaker 1: just like do it when it's best for you and
Speaker 1: just go hard on it, but not too hard.
Speaker 5: I think that there is just something though about like
Speaker 5: it's probably not a coincidence that it's you know, January first,
Speaker 5: because like the holidays, Like I was definitely you know,
Speaker 5: near the end of the year where it's like okay,
Speaker 5: holidays and travel and drinking and eating like shit and everything.
Speaker 5: Like you know, I told myself like, you know what,
Speaker 5: I'll do a strict thing. I'll do the full I'm
Speaker 5: gonna be the dry January thing. And like at the
Speaker 5: time that sounds so great because it's like, okay, I've
Speaker 5: been indulging. It's it's the holidays, and I need just
Speaker 5: like a reset button thing. And you know, January is
Speaker 5: where I did get much much better aut like my
Speaker 5: diet and I was just even a lot more vegetables
Speaker 5: and just a lot more healthy things.
Speaker 2: But I was going to do all these different things
Speaker 2: and then also like a dry January, and it was
Speaker 2: the thing where it was like you know, January twelfth
Speaker 2: or something, it was some weekend and Hanson invited us
Speaker 2: over for like a board game night, and it's like, look,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have a good time playing you know, board
Speaker 2: games at Ben Hanson's.
Speaker 5: Place no matter what. But like it's like it was
Speaker 5: like a Saturday night. It's like it is the most primed,
Speaker 5: just like, let's have a few beers while you know
Speaker 5: we're doing this. And you know, obviously people that like
Speaker 5: there are good reasons to stop entirely from drinking, but
Speaker 5: with me, it's never been a thing that like ever
Speaker 5: caused any trouble and just like caused me to get
Speaker 5: kind of like a beer gut at worst, you know.
Speaker 5: So it's like with that one, I kind of like
Speaker 5: threw the towel in on it where it's like, you
Speaker 5: know what, it's not going to kill me. And now
Speaker 5: I said I was gonna do this. That and all
Speaker 5: this vegetables and new diet and dry January, that's so
Speaker 5: much bears the board game night.
Speaker 1: You know. Have we talked about dry January on fire
Speaker 1: Escape before?
Speaker 2: I don't know if we have.
Speaker 4: I'm kind of a snob toward not to people's faces.
Speaker 2: I saw you posting some Instagram memes about a dry wine.
Speaker 1: Well, so.
Speaker 3: Dry January you only drink dry wine. That's funny. I
Speaker 3: think you said that to me too, you little scamp.
Speaker 1: Was it the Pedro Pascal Nicholas cage thing or dry
Speaker 1: cabinet truck and reastling is really dry? I just I
Speaker 1: don't I'm I'm gonna I get the idea of taking
Speaker 1: a month off to reset, like as a cleanse. A
Speaker 1: lot of people do it just to like show that
Speaker 1: they can show themselves that they can and prove to themselves,
Speaker 1: which is good. Yeah. I just think everybody would be
Speaker 1: better off if it just presracticing moderation throughout the year.
Speaker 4: Yes, Like I think that's way healthier.
Speaker 1: And like everybody I know who drinks a lot and
Speaker 1: then hits January and goes dry, they feel like shit
Speaker 1: throughout that January, and then afterwards they're like, well now
Speaker 1: I'm just back to drinking. I don't know.
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe people maybe.
Speaker 3: There's drinking excessively.
Speaker 4: Maybe if there's people who dry January really helps them.
Speaker 1: I just think if I don't see that one January
Speaker 1: correcting eleven months of really bad habits.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel that same way.
Speaker 5: And again, this is a thing where it's like I
Speaker 5: know people have had good success with this and everything,
Speaker 5: and I'm not saying it's stupid across the bord or anything,
Speaker 5: but that.
Speaker 2: And things like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, like intermidt and fasting. I've known plenty of
Speaker 5: people who've lost like a lot of weight on like
Speaker 5: intermritten fasting. But it's a thing where it's like, Okay,
Speaker 5: you do this thing for a month or two or
Speaker 5: however long you do it, you lose a ton of weight,
Speaker 5: that's great. But if you're not doing things that are
Speaker 5: actually like changing the way you eat in your relationship
Speaker 5: to that stuff and lifestyle choices, then it's like it's
Speaker 5: it's a band aid and then it's gonna come off something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that the January becomes like, uh, like a sprint
Speaker 1: that you get through and you just muscle through, But
Speaker 1: what about the next eleven months? Like, I think it's
Speaker 1: just not sustainable. Towards to your point, Dan, that's almost
Speaker 1: the equivalent of running eight miles one day and then
Speaker 1: walking like the thirty thousand steps to the next. It's
Speaker 1: like almost going too hard. I think again, I think
Speaker 1: you're just better off if like in practice moderation in
Speaker 1: a way that it's like it's adding enhancing social situations,
Speaker 1: but it's never really becoming a detriment. And of course
Speaker 1: I'm saying this is someone who in my past college
Speaker 1: years and like I've never I've I'm not a stranger
Speaker 1: to binge drinking in my life. But I'm just saying
Speaker 1: the going cold turkey for one month to me, I
Speaker 1: don't people prop it up as this like big health
Speaker 1: fad and I might be missing something, but it just
Speaker 1: strikes me as them like not super helpful in the
Speaker 1: long run.
Speaker 3: For some people. It can be also like the first
Speaker 3: step towards sobriety, which is just like, wow, this isles.
Speaker 3: And I had person who like did it and was like,
Speaker 3: I like myself better and I'm not actually going to
Speaker 3: drink anymore, and they just didn't drink after that, and
Speaker 3: I was like, well, that's like a really cool realization
Speaker 3: to have. So I think it can work. And I
Speaker 3: understand what you're saying, which is just like, it's not
Speaker 3: going to solve your binge drinking if that's what you're doing.
Speaker 3: A month off doesn't solve your binge drinking, but if
Speaker 3: it helps you come to realizations about yourself, then it
Speaker 3: is good.
Speaker 4: So I think, yeah, that's all their own.
Speaker 3: The reason I like the fasting concept, and the reason
Speaker 3: I think it works for me is because I can
Speaker 3: still like eat fast food and I can still drink.
Speaker 3: It's just after eight pm, I'm done. And it stops
Speaker 3: me from getting drunk on a Tuesday, and it stops
Speaker 3: me from having like I don't know, Taketo's, you know,
Speaker 3: from my freezer at eleven thirty at night. It's just
Speaker 3: like these things that have given me like a little
Speaker 3: blocker to be like you can it's past eight pm
Speaker 3: sor read those to the rules, and it's given me
Speaker 3: something in my brain that I work towards. But I
Speaker 3: end fasting too. I like go through periods where I
Speaker 3: fast and then I stop doing it again.
Speaker 5: But are you doing it in the way that Like
Speaker 5: when I've had friends that have been the intermittent fasting thing,
Speaker 5: it's been like I've got this two hour window where
Speaker 5: I can just go ape shit and I eat everything,
Speaker 5: and then I don't eat for twenty two hours.
Speaker 3: Like that's what mineus eight hours on, sixteen off. So
Speaker 3: I eat from noon until eight pm. So maybe, but
Speaker 3: I don't eat as much as I can and eight.
Speaker 5: Hours, Yeah, I feel like I've heard for people be
Speaker 5: like they're just shoveling stuff in for like two hours
Speaker 5: and it's like, all right, I'm good until tomorrow.
Speaker 3: I suspect if you're really really hungry, you probably are
Speaker 3: like binging. And I would say, like the first three
Speaker 3: days when I start my fast, I'm hungry because my
Speaker 3: stomach is like, but why aren't you eating at nine pm?
Speaker 3: And it's and once I get adjusted to it, my
Speaker 3: stomach leaves me alone and like it learns like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you eat from noon until eight. So but I will admit,
Speaker 3: like there is an oddness to it, especially when like
Speaker 3: people are like, well, we're all you know, I started
Speaker 3: that bowling league, and so my bowling starts at nine pm,
Speaker 3: and everyone's like having like lots of beer at nine pm,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, it's past my fast. I can't and
Speaker 3: it's uh brutal.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: I've actually broken my fast a couple times because I
Speaker 3: gotta have a beer when I bowl. You guys, it's
Speaker 3: so hard. I know it's hard. It's hard to break,
Speaker 3: but it's been good for me to have limitations and
Speaker 3: those rules. And so I wonder for a lot of
Speaker 3: people if like dry January is like, oh well, it's
Speaker 3: my dry January. So it's my rule, and it helps
Speaker 3: you to be able to say no in social situations
Speaker 3: or like say no to yourself for God's sakes, which
Speaker 3: is like in December, I don't say no to shit.
Speaker 3: If I want to have a chocolate Sunday with a
Speaker 3: shot of whiskey injected into the middle of the molten
Speaker 3: lava cake at two in the morning, I do it
Speaker 3: because I'm a real piece of shit in December. So
Speaker 3: January is like my way of being like, you're not
Speaker 3: allowed to do that shit for at least a little bit.
Speaker 5: That's the hard part is like I feel like I'm
Speaker 5: all the way on or all the way off. Usually
Speaker 5: it's like the you know, the crusty doll, the good
Speaker 5: to evil switch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, literally, like that's the problem right here, You've
Speaker 3: said it on to fat bastard. Yeah.
Speaker 5: So it's either like okay, Well, if I'm in the
Speaker 5: middle of like training for like a marathon thing, it's like, well, okay,
Speaker 5: I have to be good about this to some degree,
Speaker 5: and I still allow myself to occasionally, you know, I'll drink,
Speaker 5: I'll have fast food once a week or something. But
Speaker 5: you know, you got to stay on it versus like
Speaker 5: when that switch gets flipped off. It's so easy for
Speaker 5: me to just be like, uh, fuck it, like fuck
Speaker 5: this weekend. You know, I've had dominoes and you know,
Speaker 5: drank most days, and it's just like I it was
Speaker 5: not a healthy weekend. It's like, well, I'll start training
Speaker 5: in May. It's well, no, you can't.
Speaker 2: Just that's a problem.
Speaker 5: I can't just go from being an asshole and then
Speaker 5: go into being a marathon train guy.
Speaker 2: You know, like it's you got to just find that
Speaker 2: moderation in between the things.
Speaker 3: Yeah you've got you know, you're too fast, too fast,
Speaker 3: too fast, And there are people who do that, who
Speaker 3: are like I'm gonna do a marathon and they fuck
Speaker 3: their body up. They like wreck there. You can like
Speaker 3: get shin splints or like you know, hurt your ankle bones,
Speaker 3: all sorts of stuff.
Speaker 5: I remember many years ago, they used to just thing
Speaker 5: where they would bring in these guest hosts for Monday
Speaker 5: Night Raw. It was terrible, but one of them was
Speaker 5: his boxer named Ricky Hatton, and I never heard of him.
Speaker 5: I don't really follow boxing, and I guess I looked
Speaker 5: him up after that and like he has two he's
Speaker 5: Ricky Hatton. But also when he's not training for a fight,
Speaker 5: he's known as Ricky Fatten because he just like gets
Speaker 5: himself real fat and just eats and drinks like shit.
Speaker 5: And then like when he's got a fight, he just
Speaker 5: gets in super good like fighting shape and stuff. And
Speaker 5: I think we're like own Ricky Fatten, Ricky Hatton. And
Speaker 5: I think when I saw that a No. Nine, I
Speaker 5: was like, oh cool.
Speaker 2: I didn't know you could do that all right, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you can just switch back and forth. That sounds great.
Speaker 2: That's probably not healthy, so bad to learn that.
Speaker 3: And girls have everybody has different versions of this, but
Speaker 3: like for me growing up, a lot of that was
Speaker 3: like extreme dieting to lose weight. She's like something just
Speaker 3: a lot of girls that I grew up with dealt
Speaker 3: with and figured out and it's just really really bad
Speaker 3: to learn and it's hard to unlearn to have those
Speaker 3: extreme measures. So maybe that's your aversion to dry January,
Speaker 3: which is an extreme right. You're going from extreme drinking
Speaker 3: to extreme not drinking, which ultimately the best thing for
Speaker 3: you to do is to develop like a healthy relationship
Speaker 3: to vices or learn that you can't have a healthy relationship.
Speaker 3: Devices Yeah, And.
Speaker 2: I think that's the harder thing.
Speaker 5: I think if if I had proof I had a
Speaker 5: history of getting in fights and getting arrested and missing
Speaker 5: work and missing flights and shit like that, I think
Speaker 5: that would be so much easier to be like, well, Okay,
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna like not drink. But it's like, I
Speaker 5: don't know, I like drinking a lot, and I've never
Speaker 5: gotten in trouble for it, and I've never gotten health,
Speaker 5: you know, like outside of just like weight and stuff
Speaker 5: and maybe like a hangover anxiety thing.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 2: It's when there's not that like need to where like
Speaker 2: that like, oh you have to you got the shit,
Speaker 2: got to get your shit together, it's easy to be like, well, whatever,
Speaker 2: it's not going to be what's the worst is gonna happen?
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a slippery slope, but it's good that you
Speaker 3: have that in check.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's yeah, if it's something where someone really needs
Speaker 1: to take a step back, then sure go for it. Yes,
Speaker 1: And then if they realize they, like Mary, you said,
Speaker 1: your friend just likes themselves better when they're sober, then.
Speaker 3: They literally were like I think I'm happier and we were.
Speaker 1: Like and January was like the foundation for that. I
Speaker 1: think my thing is like when people I know who
Speaker 1: are going to get hammered on February first, I'm like,
Speaker 1: there's no point forward, There's no Yeah. If February first
Speaker 1: is what you're looking forward to the whole time, I
Speaker 1: think you should examine maybe have like drinks, drink better,
Speaker 1: not harder, almost like drink stuff you really enjoy in
Speaker 1: small in like moderation and like because again, like alcohol
Speaker 1: can enhance social situations.
Speaker 4: It can, it can, It can help people develop like like.
Speaker 2: A little bit of crack, a little bit of yeah,
Speaker 2: a little bit of crack.
Speaker 1: Never anybody a little a little a little crisch, a
Speaker 1: little cristy crack.
Speaker 4: All right, well, thank you from media. I'm gonna call
Speaker 4: the media.
Speaker 1: Mary. You want to read this last one? That's kind
Speaker 1: of directed me, but I'm gonna I'm I pick out
Speaker 1: the emails, so I indulge myself with this one. It's
Speaker 1: about what sure Jacob? From which to talk to Jacobs?
Speaker 4: Okay, cool with Cheta.
Speaker 3: Which Cheetah, Cheita, Hello, escapees, congratulations on one hundred episodes
Speaker 3: all of this? Uh talk about uh? Not drinking or
Speaker 3: drinking in moderation made Dan thirsty and make him made
Speaker 3: him go get a beer. Yeah, congratulations on one hundred episodes.
Speaker 3: I have a question. I'm going to Italy with my
Speaker 3: family in April, and I just want to know if
Speaker 3: Mike has recommendations about certain food and wine pairings I
Speaker 3: should try when we get a chance. And more import importantly,
Speaker 3: back in the first year of fire Escape, Mary mentioned
Speaker 3: she thought blowing out your nose in the shower was
Speaker 3: the worst thing ever, and I'd like her to expand
Speaker 3: on that, because, if anything, it sounds like the best
Speaker 3: time to do that. Thanks for all these laughs. One
Speaker 3: hundred and one episodes. Here's two one hundred more. Jacob
Speaker 3: from Wichita, Kansas. Thanks Jacob. Unfortunately, Mike doesn't have any recommendations.
Speaker 3: We asked him before this and he was like, I
Speaker 3: just don't really know anything about Italy and I don't
Speaker 3: want to sound ignorant, So big.
Speaker 1: Book of wine grapes before I let you do the
Speaker 1: nose snot and we go low brow. Okay, I think
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna do a teach a man to
Speaker 1: fish rather than give a man a fit. I forget
Speaker 1: the phrase bouchet. Thing to keep in mind, you're probably
Speaker 1: gonna be having a lot of pasta in Italy. Depending
Speaker 1: on where you're going, there might be a lot of lamb,
Speaker 1: there might be some truffles if you're in Northwest, but
Speaker 1: you're probably gonna be having a lot of pasta. And
Speaker 1: the number one thing to remember is if you're having
Speaker 1: tomato based sauce, that's gonna be very acidic, so you
Speaker 1: need a wine that's more acidic or else you're gonna
Speaker 1: drown the wine out. It's not gonna be a successful pairing.
Speaker 1: So in general rules of thumb, if you're gonna be
Speaker 1: having something tomato based, get like a high acid wine
Speaker 1: like a Sandaves or a nebiolo. Second rule, if you're
Speaker 1: gonna be having like red meat, definitely go for something
Speaker 1: more tannic. It can help like smooth out the fat
Speaker 1: in the wine and the tannins will be softened by
Speaker 1: the red meat. It kind of a it's definitely a
Speaker 1: complimentary relationship. Third rule, do not be afraid to ask
Speaker 1: the psalm or the server or like whoever's there. Just
Speaker 1: say like, hey, what would you recommend? Like half the
Speaker 1: people you ask are gonna be excited to recommend something
Speaker 1: to you. Especially in Italy. They take food very seriously,
Speaker 1: they take wine very seriously. I wouldn't worry about like
Speaker 1: specific kinds of wine because Italy has like five hundred
Speaker 1: if the active grapes, So that's a fairly tall order
Speaker 1: to remember. But like, you can't go wrong with like
Speaker 1: a Kianti with tomato. You can't go wrong with like
Speaker 1: a barber Esco with some red meat. But in general,
Speaker 1: just ask ask the people at the restaurant. They'll they'll
Speaker 1: be more than happy to guide you.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't go to a place with less than six
Speaker 2: hundred active grapes when I travel.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good I like that you had a limit.
Speaker 2: Look, you just don't wait till you get to week
Speaker 2: ten of your courses of courses.
Speaker 1: Well, I haven't talked about it much at Firescape, But Mary,
Speaker 1: why does it gross you out to snot in the shower?
Speaker 3: I mean, I think there's a couple things that I
Speaker 3: just personally don't think are shower things that I think
Speaker 3: other people do. So you know, if you are standing,
Speaker 3: sit down for this, because I think some people will
Speaker 3: be like what, But like, I don't think the shower
Speaker 3: is the place for you to brush your teeth?
Speaker 1: No, right, why what's the benefit save because it's all time,
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 3: But you're already in there and you're cleaning your body,
Speaker 3: so why not clean the teeth?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: But I feel like there's certainly like I shave.
Speaker 5: I shaved my head in the shower, you know, I
Speaker 5: because like the hair goes into the drain, there's a
Speaker 5: there's a use to that. I don't feel like brushing
Speaker 5: the teeth like you're gonna spit the shit in the
Speaker 5: sink anyway?
Speaker 1: Right? Does it?
Speaker 3: Does it make it gross for you?
Speaker 1: Can?
Speaker 3: I just can you elaborate it?
Speaker 1: I don't think.
Speaker 5: I've just never even considered it, honestly, Like, I just
Speaker 5: I don't think i'd be grossed out. I think I
Speaker 5: would just be like, why, I feel like the water
Speaker 5: would be hitting my face and it would just be
Speaker 5: like slobbering.
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, you're like getting toothpaste on yours.
Speaker 2: I don't need that.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't like the thought of brushing my
Speaker 1: teeth with warm water getting into my mouth. That's gross
Speaker 1: to me. Like I need cold water a.
Speaker 3: Very different reasons. But I but I'm glad that we
Speaker 3: all kind of feel this vibe. There's a lot of
Speaker 3: people who brush their teeth in the shower to save time.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're saving time. I would I would argue,
Speaker 1: and I would ask them to prove to me. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna sit in the bathroom next time they brush to
Speaker 1: either shower.
Speaker 2: Are they like brushing with one hand and soaping with
Speaker 2: the Otherwise it's going to take the.
Speaker 1: Same taking to the thirty seconds or forty five seconds
Speaker 1: it takes a brush your teeth after the shower.
Speaker 4: I know into you're wasting more water, if any.
Speaker 3: But I don't think it's that rare. I think there's
Speaker 3: a good chunk of ours that probably brush their teeth
Speaker 3: in the shower. And so that's why I like preface
Speaker 3: what people subscribers have plummeted fifteen fifteen?
Speaker 2: Do you think fifteen brush your teeth through the shower?
Speaker 3: I think I think they are a minority, and I
Speaker 3: think it's probably around ten to fifteen. That is my guess.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's a benefit I'm missing, like that I'm being
Speaker 1: completely callous.
Speaker 4: Tell me to ignore, Please tell me.
Speaker 3: Okay, So here's my problem with blowing your nose in
Speaker 3: the shower. Jacob, you say you think it sounds like
Speaker 3: the best time, probably because you're cleaning your body, right,
Speaker 3: so like why not clean this because you're blowing snot
Speaker 3: on your hands and it's going in between your fingers
Speaker 3: and stuff, and you're like, yeah, but I'm cleaning those parts.
Speaker 3: But it's like, yeah, but blow your nose before you
Speaker 3: get in the shower and.
Speaker 1: Then wash You're you're it's all the steam, you're.
Speaker 3: Loosened the goop, but like it goes into a tissue
Speaker 3: and then you can wash your hands. I think there's
Speaker 3: just something I don't want snot all over my hands.
Speaker 2: That's so gross, And even.
Speaker 3: If I rinse them in the shower post blow, I
Speaker 3: just feel like I'm a little gross.
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe I'm misremembering something. If that's what
Speaker 1: they're doing, then yeah, that's horrendous. I think what he's
Speaker 1: saying by snot in the shower is like one of
Speaker 1: these over the drain.
Speaker 2: I've never I've never tried doing that's want to do that.
Speaker 1: That's way less gross than going into your hands for
Speaker 1: no reason. They're both weird, and I agree.
Speaker 3: I'm just in general, are not are not acceptable?
Speaker 2: Uh? I've never done a snot rock I'm not going
Speaker 2: to go into.
Speaker 3: The privacy of your shower.
Speaker 1: So if you, uh, we're talking about it right now,
Speaker 1: we're if you blow.
Speaker 3: Your nose and you're brushing your teeth in the shower, like,
Speaker 3: live your best life, that's your fucking thing. Me, I
Speaker 3: just don't think that showers are for like face whole things.
Speaker 3: I don't clean my ear holes in the shower. I
Speaker 3: don't blow my nose or do snot rockets in the shower,
Speaker 3: and I don't brush my teeth in the shower. That's
Speaker 3: for pre and post shower. The shower is for the
Speaker 3: crevices of the body. It's for all the knickknacks, it's
Speaker 3: for all the innerds in the outers, just get clean.
Speaker 3: But it's not for face holes, like leave your face
Speaker 3: holes for sink. Yeah, that's just my that's just my standards.
Speaker 1: How I was raised.
Speaker 2: Butt hole in the sink.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, what do you mean, kid?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: That's why I said face holes. I think you can
Speaker 3: get your holes in the shower if you need to
Speaker 3: clean your holes, which I do encourage, like you can
Speaker 3: clean your holes. But again, that's what the shower is
Speaker 3: for It's for the body crev and nooks. If you're
Speaker 3: like not everybody has like loofahs or whatever. So like,
Speaker 3: if you're soaping up your hands and you're getting in
Speaker 3: your armpits and your butt crack and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: you're brushing your teeth, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 3: you and you're getting in your nose and stuff like,
Speaker 3: have some separation. Clean your body in the shower, clean
Speaker 3: your face holes in the sink.
Speaker 1: I we've been talking for the past two and a
Speaker 1: half hours whatever, and so I know where I am on.
Speaker 1: Like I could tell when Dan's looking at my panel,
Speaker 1: and I love how when you just said that I
Speaker 1: butt hole in the sink, I could tell you were
Speaker 1: looking at me waiting for me to laugh. But I
Speaker 1: didn't get it. So you're just like it's like you
Speaker 1: were leaning on me to laugh. You don't know me.
Speaker 4: I don't get it.
Speaker 3: He knows you like the back of his no.
Speaker 5: But I fully I make sure you say buttthole for
Speaker 5: last in the shower because it's like I don't want
Speaker 5: to like but even if you like, you know, wash
Speaker 5: your hands and stuff after, Yes, I'm down there cleaning
Speaker 5: like once I'm in there and doing all this stuff
Speaker 5: in between the stuff in there in there. Yes, once
Speaker 5: I'm in there, I'm not touching my face. I'm not
Speaker 5: rubbing my hands on my chest. I'm not doing anything actually.
Speaker 3: Washing right, like you your your hands are clean post shower.
Speaker 3: But I think it's like more of like the mentality
Speaker 3: of like you're in all these crevices and stuff, like,
Speaker 3: I'm really not putting my hands all up in my
Speaker 3: face as I'm cleaning out the body.
Speaker 5: Like eventhole is the last thing before I turn the
Speaker 5: water off. I'm giving a full soapy hand situation, like
Speaker 5: I don't want butt hands going around day to day
Speaker 5: that my keyboard.
Speaker 3: Let me get out of the shower. I'm steering clear
Speaker 3: of you.
Speaker 2: You want my butt have nothing to do after the shower.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's got butt all over his beer right now?
Speaker 1: Are people?
Speaker 5: No, I went into the loop a thing like in
Speaker 5: the last year. Yeah, I'm currently loop person. I did
Speaker 5: just learn that you're supposed to swap them out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't know that.
Speaker 3: Such a funny conversation. Yeah, regularly it's like a sponge
Speaker 3: in the right like it's a crewing.
Speaker 2: I mean quarter, I'd say use your best judgments.
Speaker 1: Yeah, was like it's just I would even say you
Speaker 1: could go more than quarterly at least I would say
Speaker 1: I'm probably fine.
Speaker 3: They're crewing stuff. Again, I think a lot of our
Speaker 3: people are like, listen, I'm not going to change out
Speaker 3: my loofa every two months. And it's like that's totally fine, Like.
Speaker 1: Just get a bunch though. When you go to the
Speaker 1: grocery store, they're like two dollars.
Speaker 3: Or ye old hand towel, which is what like you know,
Speaker 3: like a little wash cloth. You can throw them in
Speaker 3: the washing machine. You know.
Speaker 5: The reason I like no was like a little wash
Speaker 5: I feel like once it's up in there, it's like
Speaker 5: that needs to go right into the washer afterwards.
Speaker 3: You throw your underwear after every use.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but that's not like up in my butthole the
Speaker 5: way that like when you put you put your loof
Speaker 5: in yours, the cloth into my anus. I like it
Speaker 5: is very much making direct contact and rubbing back and
Speaker 5: forth as I'm do with my boxers.
Speaker 3: I bet your boxers touch your asshole.
Speaker 5: They're hanging out down there, but they're not like getting
Speaker 5: up in there the way that like you're putting your.
Speaker 3: Buttthole touching boxers in your laundry. Where it's touching it is.
Speaker 5: It is a grazing of the butthole with the underpants.
Speaker 5: I think with a washbrag, you are actively trying to
Speaker 5: contact the butthole, which would never happen with boxers.
Speaker 3: I think that you can wash something in a washing
Speaker 3: machine and it is washing the butthole off of the item,
Speaker 3: and then you can use it again, depending on how
Speaker 3: badly that experience went. Because yeah, if you like shit
Speaker 3: on your loofah, just get a new loofa, just like
Speaker 3: if you shit your underpants, don't take those to the
Speaker 3: dry cleaner. They're done.
Speaker 5: I mean, I've never had skid marks the way my
Speaker 5: dad says everyone always has them all the time. I
Speaker 5: don't subscribe to that. I don't think my butthole is
Speaker 5: a very chaotic environment.
Speaker 3: I'm glad that you have a really nice and neutral
Speaker 3: butthole situation, and I think we're actually on the same page.
Speaker 3: And I'm not trying to fight you on how dirty
Speaker 3: the things are that touch your butthole. But what I
Speaker 3: am just suggesting is is you can wash a washcloth
Speaker 3: just like you wash your underwear, and they're clean.
Speaker 5: Wash wash you know what the difference is, I'm not
Speaker 5: taking my underwear and rubbing it all over the rest
Speaker 5: of my body. A washrag next time it's deployed is
Speaker 5: going to be going all over my shoulders and chest
Speaker 5: and legs and stuff.
Speaker 3: So it is your loofa.
Speaker 5: No, we're not talking about that way boxers versus like
Speaker 5: a boxer like even if it's hanging out by the
Speaker 5: butthole a lot. Yeah, I'm not rubbing the boxers all
Speaker 5: over my neck and shit.
Speaker 3: I understand, But do you is the loofa that you
Speaker 3: loofah your butthole with on?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, so this is important.
Speaker 3: Do you have a butthole loofa dan?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: No, No, here's what I do.
Speaker 3: It's like a tiny on a tea chain, like it
Speaker 3: just goes in plug. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I do all of my head stuff first. I do beard,
Speaker 5: I do hair, I do face before butthole is even
Speaker 5: on the table top. Yeah, the litteral head is just
Speaker 5: done first, and then I do loof up and then
Speaker 5: I squirt the body wash on it, and then I
Speaker 5: do the big areas and the chest, I do the arms,
Speaker 5: I do thighs as well. Uh, I do stomach with
Speaker 5: the loop, get in the belly button, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: I get in there and everything, and then I do
Speaker 5: thighs and calves and everything. What about your armpits, I'm
Speaker 5: getting there the loop, I squeeze out the loofah, I
Speaker 5: put it up on the thing. I do the body
Speaker 5: wash in the hands. And then because you want to
Speaker 5: get up in the armpit.
Speaker 3: So I do just hand hands on the pits and
Speaker 3: soap on pits, okay.
Speaker 2: And then I go down and I need to know this,
Speaker 2: but I'm so interesting. I'm just we're breaking this down.
Speaker 5: And then I go down to the guy bits there
Speaker 5: and I do the stuff with the soap with my
Speaker 5: hands there to make sure that's nice and clean with
Speaker 5: my hands. Yes, And then the last I get the
Speaker 5: body washed up on my hands. And then you do
Speaker 5: your buttole work with your hands with your hands.
Speaker 3: Okay, So the loofa never touches your holes.
Speaker 2: The loofah doesn't even know I have an asshole. It's
Speaker 2: just that is.
Speaker 5: The hands go in the crevice there and everything, make
Speaker 5: sure that's good. And then you do a separate hand
Speaker 5: clean just to make sure all the butthole stuff is offerd.
Speaker 3: The last thing you do is clean the hands because
Speaker 3: those are butt hands.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, so nothing.
Speaker 5: There's not a single loofa or anything that even has
Speaker 5: been in the neighborhood of my asshole.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't see a lot of fault with this.
Speaker 3: It sounds very anal like in the sense that it
Speaker 3: sounds like you're being very particular with what touches what.
Speaker 4: I don't even I mean, I don't think.
Speaker 3: I don't even think about that. You know, but you
Speaker 3: just started loofaing.
Speaker 2: I started loof loofing in the last like year.
Speaker 3: Okay, so before that, were you all hands all time?
Speaker 2: Bar of soap goes everywhere?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I mean I have no problem with bar
Speaker 3: of soap or soapy hands getting up in the crevices
Speaker 3: and holes. I'm for all of this. I like that
Speaker 3: you're a clean person, and I think you're you're doing great,
Speaker 3: and so I don't have any notes. I will just
Speaker 3: state like, you can also get stuff on your hole
Speaker 3: and wash it, and then it's fine, and you can
Speaker 3: you can also it's all bit and fine. Maybe when
Speaker 3: people have a toothbrush on the shower, that's their asshole toothbrush.
Speaker 2: Don't put the toothbrush in your asshole.
Speaker 3: It's the only way to get a clean hole.
Speaker 5: It probably would work, but oh oh, I forgot to
Speaker 5: say too. Part of the reason I don't do the
Speaker 5: loofa on the guy bits or the butthole is because
Speaker 5: it has such a naturally coarse thing, and I feel.
Speaker 3: Like that it's like it's rough rough on that skin.
Speaker 5: Don't want rough loofa towel or something on your bits
Speaker 5: or your butthole. So that's why it's like it's a
Speaker 5: nice feather touch on that.
Speaker 3: I have a glove. I bought these like exfoliating gloves.
Speaker 2: It literally glove for your hat.
Speaker 3: It's an of glove for like dead skin. It's not
Speaker 3: for your butthole. It's like I use it on my
Speaker 3: arms and it gets all the dead skin. It's an exfoliator.
Speaker 3: But I definitely you could put it on your button
Speaker 3: stuff and have like a smooth, smooth baby butt if
Speaker 3: you want. But I wouldn't put rough surface on the
Speaker 3: tender stuff. That sounds awful.
Speaker 2: Look into these of glove assholevers, Yeah, yeah, it's a
Speaker 2: it's nuts.
Speaker 3: There's no of glove for the asshole. They are exfoliating
Speaker 3: gloves for regular parts.
Speaker 2: Of the skin and what with it is your own business.
Speaker 3: Jacob from Wichita. I don't think that you should listen
Speaker 3: to any of this advice. In fact, most of you,
Speaker 3: if you're going to ask us for like really specific
Speaker 3: advice on like how to clean your body or like
Speaker 3: take care of yourself, use a pseudonym or like fake name.
Speaker 3: I don't think you'll want us to like give you
Speaker 3: true advice here. But I think ultimately clean your holes,
Speaker 3: clean the holes. I don't give a ship if you
Speaker 3: use a washcloth or a loofa or you poke your
Speaker 3: whole you hole through a finger or your finger through
Speaker 3: like uh, your toilet paper and just stick it up
Speaker 3: your butt. But like, please clean yourselves.
Speaker 1: And then wash your hands was and is definitely a
Speaker 1: good safe bet with most PASTA.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Jacob from Wichita. A so much about Dan
Speaker 3: and way too much about Dan.
Speaker 2: Ask you a question. I'm going to answer it.
Speaker 3: He didn't ask.
Speaker 1: Was it named?
Speaker 3: In this email?
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Speaker 3: I've been pretty good on trying to keep up in
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Speaker 1: I'm mainly here unless you want to follow me on Instagram.
Speaker 1: I opened a two thousand and one Kyanti Classico. It's
Speaker 1: really interesting story. It's actually the last vintage. But how
Speaker 1: do you clean your butthole with a wine decanter?
Speaker 5: So all when you were you posted a thing of
Speaker 5: you decanting a wine thing recently, and you said for
Speaker 5: those asking, one of the things I.
Speaker 1: Said were concerned, So I didn't realize how I post,
Speaker 1: and I like eight eight people responded asking why what
Speaker 1: was wrong with that bottle? No, I don't do it
Speaker 1: for those asking unless people are asking. Yeah, if you
Speaker 1: don't follow me the Instagram. Amanda and I we've been
Speaker 1: opening some like old bottles we have, and one photo
Speaker 1: I showed was me pouring out the last dregs of
Speaker 1: an old wine which had quote unquote thrown a sediment,
Speaker 1: which is, you know, like things had settled over the
Speaker 1: years and coalesced and it had just given off stuff
Speaker 1: so it becomes like a sludge at the bottom. So
Speaker 1: I posted just the photo of the wine in two
Speaker 1: glasses next to it, but then I posted also the
Speaker 1: sledge that came out the end, so I think.
Speaker 4: People thought the whole bottle was sludge.
Speaker 2: Several people bottom eighth, which is usual with that year
Speaker 2: of grape. It's a tanic grape. Yes, yes, Dan, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't need to cater to your lowbrow sensibilities on
Speaker 1: my Instagram posts. I don't get what you think. No,
Speaker 1: I want you to keep doing it because it's very
Speaker 1: funny to me. Yes, but yeah, that wine was really good.
Speaker 1: It was not. It was the second oldest wine I've
Speaker 1: ever had and it was still the delicious. Uh. It's
Speaker 1: twenty four years old, which is not crazy old, but
Speaker 1: it was really good. I'm gonna I'm going to open
Speaker 1: like an old wine for you at some point, Dan,
Speaker 1: I think you'd like it a lot.
Speaker 2: Not right, Yeah, sure, it's great.
Speaker 4: Yeah but anyway. Yeah, I'm im Mahardy over on Instagram.
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Speaker 4: Everybody in a couple of weeks.
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