Speaker 1: You see somethings going to happen.
Speaker 2: What's going to happen?
Speaker 3: What help?
Speaker 4: Welcome to the Occults Rejects this episode.
Speaker 3: We got a bunch of people with us today.
Speaker 4: Today we even got like a special guest and the
Speaker 4: guest h today joining me. We got I'll start first
Speaker 4: with Heidi Love.
Speaker 3: What is going on? Heidi? How are you?
Speaker 5: Hey?
Speaker 6: Everybody?
Speaker 2: I'm good to be here. Thank you for having me,
Speaker 2: Heidi Love of the Unfiltered Rise. I'm happy to be
Speaker 2: here and I'm happy to be with all of you guys.
Speaker 3: Awesome, Thank you very much, and I appreciate you jumping on.
Speaker 4: And we got ethan Indigo.
Speaker 3: Sir, Please let everybody know what you're dealing is well.
Speaker 7: It is my honor to be here, and I'm looking
Speaker 7: forward to exchanging ideas with everyone. And I'm a writer
Speaker 7: and so on and so forth and an observer of
Speaker 7: all this crazy madness. Well, honor to be here. You
Speaker 7: believe you guys, of.
Speaker 4: Course you know I was appreciate you going on, sir,
Speaker 4: and special guests joining us today. With our guest is
Speaker 4: Miguel from aon Bite. I'm sure you all know who
Speaker 4: he is, but in case you don't. Please we go
Speaker 4: let everybody know where they can find all your amazing work.
Speaker 6: Good to be here, thanks for having me on. Oh
Speaker 6: simple look at my name Miguel Connor dot com and
Speaker 6: it's all there.
Speaker 4: Yes, And if you haven't heard the occult Elvis, please
Speaker 4: go check it out and check out that book, some wild,
Speaker 4: bugged out stuff. I'll be totally honest with you. There
Speaker 4: was a lot of stuff I had no idea about
Speaker 4: Elvis until Miguel.
Speaker 3: Told this, So please go check out so interesting.
Speaker 4: Yes, and finally we got Julia Gordon Braemer. Am I
Speaker 4: saying it correctly?
Speaker 3: Again? I think I asked you last time?
Speaker 6: You are all right?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 4: Long, Yes, we got her back on again and we
Speaker 4: had a great time when she was on last time,
Speaker 4: talking about Sylvia Plath. And I'll be toally honest with you.
Speaker 4: If it wasn't from Miguel, I would never have known
Speaker 4: who this lady was. So that was the reason why
Speaker 4: I kind of even asked him to come on. But
Speaker 4: we got her today.
Speaker 6: It's a book you must have, a book you must have,
Speaker 6: and it's a great book that.
Speaker 8: I keep going back to.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I have to laugh because what we're going
Speaker 6: up again, So, whether it's a Colt Elvis or Paul
Speaker 6: Wilde in his book about Jim Morrison, is this resistance
Speaker 6: to the spiritual world the benefits because I remember I
Speaker 6: put out your podcast, Julia, and I put it on
Speaker 6: Facebook and other social media, and low and behold you
Speaker 6: got these people. Well she just dabbled with it. It
Speaker 6: wasn't a big deal. I mean, it was just the
Speaker 6: resistance to the truth is incredible. So I'm sure you
Speaker 6: can really And I get the same with Elvis. I mean,
Speaker 6: their back on me, like no, he was a conservative Christian.
Speaker 6: You're just lying, And I'm like, here's the data.
Speaker 8: You know this isn't it crazy? Yeah, they don't want
Speaker 8: to see it. They have their their tunnel vision.
Speaker 4: And the funny thing with that is it just like
Speaker 4: like you know, we're not saying they're a bad person
Speaker 4: for this, right, Like that's not the reason of the book.
Speaker 4: If anything, were saying they were more intelligent and had
Speaker 4: more to offer to us than we thought they did.
Speaker 4: And people get upset with that. Now it's it's funny,
Speaker 4: it's very interesting. But yeah, like Miguel said, definitely go
Speaker 4: check out that book, check out the episode. It was
Speaker 4: a blast and that's why we had to have her
Speaker 4: back on again. We had such a great time. So Julia,
Speaker 4: please let everybody know they can find all the amazing stuff.
Speaker 4: And yes, we'll be talking about Tyro Life Lessons, which
Speaker 4: is another book.
Speaker 3: Of hers as well.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, well, I mean you can. You can find
Speaker 8: out anything about me on Julia Gordon Bremer dot com
Speaker 8: and and I'm on all the social networks on Facebook
Speaker 8: and Instagram and Twitter X all of that, So Jay
Speaker 8: Gordon Bramer on on X and on Insta. But yeah,
Speaker 8: where do you want to start here? I mean, gosh,
Speaker 8: I've been a Tarot card reader for over forty six
Speaker 8: years now. I guess that's a place to start, right.
Speaker 3: So I guess that was one of the reasons why
Speaker 3: you wrote a book on taro.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I wanted to write a book that well, when
Speaker 8: I first wrote it, I mean, it came from my
Speaker 8: journal entries. So my working title was the Tarot Diaries
Speaker 8: because I wrote it for myself. I wrote it with
Speaker 8: you know, I would have these incredible readings that I
Speaker 8: just didn't want to forget, and I was like, oh
Speaker 8: my god, I can't believe this happened, you know, and
Speaker 8: something would come up. And as a writer, you know,
Speaker 8: I'm also a creative writer and a poet, and I
Speaker 8: just wanted to capture the little vignettes for myself and
Speaker 8: so I so I would just jot something down, and
Speaker 8: I would, you know, when this card would come up,
Speaker 8: or I would see somebody's face change when they would
Speaker 8: recognize such and such with this other card, and you know,
Speaker 8: and I got down all those little moments, and it
Speaker 8: was the stories that floored me.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 8: They they were a murder showed up, covering up manslaughter,
Speaker 8: showed up addictions, you know, terrible addictions, gambling addictions, alcohol addictions,
Speaker 8: drug addictions. There was some really strange things where there
Speaker 8: was one situation where somebody was impersonating me. And like,
Speaker 8: what has come up in the cards has been mind blowing.
Speaker 8: And so what I did was I assembled them all
Speaker 8: in the order of the major arcana and I and
Speaker 8: I just had a little fun with it. I learned
Speaker 8: that from Sylvia Plath because all of Sylvia Plath's work
Speaker 8: that she assembled, including the Bell Jar, her novel, was
Speaker 8: all in this major Arkana order. So she so she
Speaker 8: taught me and uh and and I put all of
Speaker 8: my little stories together, and and that became Tarot life Lessons,
Speaker 8: So uh so yeah, it was They're all true. I
Speaker 8: wanted to write a book that I had never seen
Speaker 8: before about the taro. You know, there's there's tons of
Speaker 8: how to read Tarot books. I didn't want to write
Speaker 8: another one of those. You can you can look up
Speaker 8: you know what cards mean all over the place.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 8: I wanted something to be different there.
Speaker 4: That's great because my next question was going to be
Speaker 4: what makes this book different than all the other ones?
Speaker 4: So I guess you kind of answered that, right.
Speaker 3: So I was going to say, everybody's got books on
Speaker 3: tower to tell you how to read it. What makes
Speaker 3: you as different? So thank you? Awesome?
Speaker 8: Yeah, real life stories. You know, it's kind of like
Speaker 8: when when you're reading my book, you're sitting on my
Speaker 8: shoulder or or in my head and uh and you're
Speaker 8: getting the story, uh as I'm You're you're understanding my
Speaker 8: thoughts and my feelings and uh and how I'm interpreting
Speaker 8: the cards.
Speaker 3: Wow, this is interesting. Nice.
Speaker 4: Uh Is there any like I guess maybe, is there
Speaker 4: any examples of things that you would want to bring
Speaker 4: up from that maybe you could think of like love.
Speaker 8: Hands yeah, sure, you know. Uh, well, like I said,
Speaker 8: you know, there's a lot of very different kinds of
Speaker 8: of things that have come up.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 8: The very first story is my own story. It's in
Speaker 8: Alignment with the Fool card and how I got into Taro,
Speaker 8: and and how I how I found my own natural intuition,
Speaker 8: and and and my journey into into mysticism of all kinds,
Speaker 8: and and even the Sylvia Plath work is mentioned in
Speaker 8: there because it's all been such a part of of
Speaker 8: my spiritual journey. I definitely feel that Plath in her
Speaker 8: way called me maybe to the Taro initially, because when
Speaker 8: I was sixteen, that was when I also found the
Speaker 8: bell Jar and you know, and discovered her as a
Speaker 8: writer and a poet, so, which was the same age
Speaker 8: I found the Taro. So so I kind of marvel
Speaker 8: at that, and I think, okay, maybe she had, maybe
Speaker 8: she was orchestrating this all along. But as you know,
Speaker 8: so I tell my own story in the first the
Speaker 8: first story in the Tarot Life Lessons in Alignment with
Speaker 8: the Fool. The second story in Alignment with the Magician.
Speaker 8: If you know anything about the Taro, the magician is
Speaker 8: sometimes the con artist or the trickster and the story
Speaker 8: of a scam artist who who basically had convinced a
Speaker 8: woman on Facebook, a widow, to you know, turn over
Speaker 8: her entire retirement and uh and I got very attached
Speaker 8: to this woman and was really begging her to not
Speaker 8: do this, and uh, you'll you'll see it. You know.
Speaker 8: I form really interesting relationships with my clients, and some
Speaker 8: of them, you know, I care, uh And and it's
Speaker 8: it's kind of a problem. Sometimes I almost wish I
Speaker 8: didn't because I can't run their lives for them, And
Speaker 8: especially when we get into something like that or or
Speaker 8: something like the gambling addict who is in U in
Speaker 8: the story with my Wheel of Fortune card. Uh, you know,
Speaker 8: I basically watching someone destroy her life with gambling. And
Speaker 8: you know, there is a helplessness in reading the cards
Speaker 8: and seeing, you know, having people weep openly because they're
Speaker 8: recognizing what they're going through, and yet they seem incapable
Speaker 8: of stuff. You know, that's the problem. I can show
Speaker 8: people what's going on, and I can give them guidance,
Speaker 8: but I can't fix it for them. And boys, sometimes
Speaker 8: I sure wish I could, But you know, it's kind
Speaker 8: of like parenting that way, right, so there's lots of stories,
Speaker 8: lots of different kinds of stories. You know, there's a
Speaker 8: man at a wedding and an older man, he was
Speaker 8: probably nearing eighty, who his card showed that he'd never
Speaker 8: been loved at all, and the two of us were
Speaker 8: sobbing and holding hands. You know that he was the
Speaker 8: hermit that. You know, there's a lot of interesting things
Speaker 8: that have come up over all of these years that
Speaker 8: I've done this professionally, and almost all of them are
Speaker 8: my professional stories, although there are a couple that were
Speaker 8: personal readings that I did for friends and uh, and
Speaker 8: they showed up as well. So there was a young
Speaker 8: man who had very severe ADHD and just kind of
Speaker 8: couldn't keep on task and and uh and and yeah,
Speaker 8: so you know there's just uh, I matched something to
Speaker 8: every one of the major Arconic cards and uh. But
Speaker 8: you but it goes beyond just that one card, because
Speaker 8: you'll see the whole process. You'll see the whole reading
Speaker 8: and uh, and how I have the reading unfolded and
Speaker 8: how I interpreted what. You know, sometimes cards don't always
Speaker 8: mean what they supposedly mean. Sometimes we look at a
Speaker 8: card and we get an entirely different message from what
Speaker 8: the books might say. Uh, but that's that's in the
Speaker 8: intuitive part that that I cover as well with Tara
Speaker 8: Life Lessons, And every chapter has a tip at the
Speaker 8: end of it for people who are reading. So, you know, yeah,
Speaker 8: so I think it's a it's an you know, people
Speaker 8: tell me it's an interesting read even if you know
Speaker 8: nothing about Taro, because you get a lot of good
Speaker 8: people's stories and amazing stuff. And then if you do
Speaker 8: know Taro, it'll give you tips on how to be
Speaker 8: maybe a better tarot card reader and or how to
Speaker 8: how to trust your intuition and how to step into
Speaker 8: it more. Because I'm pretty seasoned doing this for over
Speaker 8: forty six years.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was going to ask that, So somebody who
Speaker 4: really doesn't know much about Taro, this book wouldn't be
Speaker 4: like out of their realm to be able to pick up.
Speaker 8: Now. In fact, a lot of male friends and my
Speaker 8: husband have read it, you know, who don't have a
Speaker 8: tarot deck. You know, they were just kind of interested
Speaker 8: in what the hell is it that I do, you know,
Speaker 8: and why you know, you know, people sometimes think I'm
Speaker 8: conjuring spirits or you know, they kind of liken it
Speaker 8: to a weij aboard and I want to dispel all
Speaker 8: of that, you know, explain in the book. It's it's
Speaker 8: more psychological. It's kind of dream analysis in some ways,
Speaker 8: you know, kind of just show people what they already
Speaker 8: know on their highest level of a consciousness, you know,
Speaker 8: bringing it to to the world's consciousness here and uh
Speaker 8: and giving them tools.
Speaker 4: Really, do anybody want to ask any questions? Before I
Speaker 4: start asking more, I just want to ask me.
Speaker 7: That's just such a wonderful way to present the archetypes
Speaker 7: that unfold out of the cards, if you will, And
Speaker 7: and I just I think that's a great way to
Speaker 7: almost intuitively learn what is an intuitive practice. So that's
Speaker 7: that's really awesome. Is there is there something?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 7: Is there is there a quality or some some kind
Speaker 7: of general philosophy or outlook that you might share that's
Speaker 7: not a specific order of operations as far as your
Speaker 7: different types of readings, but just something you might impart
Speaker 7: on those looking to use the donation.
Speaker 8: Yeah. Yeah, So so there's a lot Taro and a
Speaker 8: lot in my personal studies that I may be in
Speaker 8: few in my readings. You know, I've been studying Buddhism
Speaker 8: for quite a number of years. Uh, also read the Tao,
Speaker 8: and I think that some of those teachings and stories
Speaker 8: come into my readings on occasion. I have a background
Speaker 8: in the Episcopal Church, you know, so I have a
Speaker 8: traditional Christian background, and and I find the Bible endlessly valuable.
Speaker 8: Although I may interpret the Bible different from from a fundamentalist.
Speaker 8: I see the Bible as a seriously mystical book and
Speaker 8: that that you know, might might some people uncomfortable. And
Speaker 8: you know, I've been told make some people uncomfortable. I
Speaker 8: teach and study a course in miracles, which which I
Speaker 8: would say is very close to Buddhism, and it's you know,
Speaker 8: a course in miracles is kind of Buddhism with a
Speaker 8: with a Christian slant, because it's about owning your christ
Speaker 8: consciousness and reaching your high Self God Self basically. And
Speaker 8: then finally, through the ploth work, I got opened up
Speaker 8: to Kabbala. And so I really knew nothing about Kabbala
Speaker 8: before the plaoth Work except, uh, you know, i'd heard
Speaker 8: the term, and I knew like Madonna and Britney Spears
Speaker 8: had like little red bracelets on their wrist, you know,
Speaker 8: that had something to do with Kabbala. But I knew
Speaker 8: nothing about it, and as I got into the plath work,
Speaker 8: that opened me up to understanding that that Kabbala is
Speaker 8: this this kind of you know, divine blueprint that all
Speaker 8: of the occult systems fit onto, you know, perfectly, and
Speaker 8: in the most amazing way, and in truly a divine way.
Speaker 8: And and you know, so so mythology, alchemy, you know,
Speaker 8: all of these things that I never really explored. Through
Speaker 8: the plathwork and through Kabbala, I began to open up
Speaker 8: into those directions. And of course the tarot embodies all
Speaker 8: of that. You know, the tarot has an alchemical reading
Speaker 8: to each card, an astrological reading to each card, you know,
Speaker 8: the hermetic order of the Golden Dawn of course made
Speaker 8: our modern tarot deck today that the writer weight, and
Speaker 8: and so all of that infuses my readings because I
Speaker 8: will look at a card and you know, it'll mean,
Speaker 8: It'll mean a lot more than just what the what
Speaker 8: the books would say. You know, I take it deeper,
Speaker 8: and I add lessons and kind of build into I
Speaker 8: try to give my clients tools so that they can
Speaker 8: take away some guidance and not just have a fortune
Speaker 8: telling episode.
Speaker 4: You know, Yeah, I was gonna ask, and again you
Speaker 4: beat me too, and I ask about incorporating the kabbala,
Speaker 4: I would just assume when you do that kind of
Speaker 4: From my opinion, I think it helped me obviously when
Speaker 4: I started playing with Taro. But I could see you
Speaker 4: being able to maybe get much more of a life
Speaker 4: lessons of stories when you can kind of incorporate what's
Speaker 4: going on in the cabala with where the card fools.
Speaker 4: I think it just gives out a much more deeper
Speaker 4: ritually understanding and story behind the art.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 4: Was there anything that you saw popping up like over
Speaker 4: and over again that like made you think about like
Speaker 4: even doing this, you know, writing this?
Speaker 3: I guess was there a certain life and that you
Speaker 3: really you know kind this?
Speaker 8: Yeah? I so. So. I really just had my journals,
Speaker 8: which you know, were not all tarot recordings that lot,
Speaker 8: you know, personal stuff whatever. During I had shared to
Speaker 8: my with my husband during COVID that I had done
Speaker 8: all of you know, that I'd been recording some of
Speaker 8: these and and and I would tell him some of
Speaker 8: these stories, you know, I would come home and I'm like, God,
Speaker 8: you wouldn't believe this party and people sat in front
Speaker 8: of me, and this happened, and this happened, and he
Speaker 8: was always saying, you need to write this down, and
Speaker 8: sometimes I would, and sometimes I would plan to write
Speaker 8: it later. And anyway, during COVID, you know, we all
Speaker 8: had our downtime, and I said to Tom, yeah, you know,
Speaker 8: maybe i'll put maybe I'll go through my journals and
Speaker 8: assemb all something. And so I put it in this
Speaker 8: book form, and I decided, well, it would be fun
Speaker 8: to tell my story upfront. As the fool kind of
Speaker 8: play with that a little bit, just sort of falling
Speaker 8: into it, because of course I never set out to
Speaker 8: be a professional tarot card reader, and you know, if
Speaker 8: anyone had, you know, like, why would somebody choose a
Speaker 8: career that gets you virtually no respect out in the world,
Speaker 8: you know, and you know, and challenged in academia and
Speaker 8: all of that stuff. But yeah, so somehow, somehow, it
Speaker 8: all just evolved and happened, and so I thought it
Speaker 8: would be fun to tell my story up front, and
Speaker 8: because everyone asks me, like, how do you become a
Speaker 8: professional tarot card reader? You know, And so I did that.
Speaker 8: And interestingly, so I just had this book sort of
Speaker 8: put together, and I hadn't really planned even to send
Speaker 8: it out, but in you know, they say when we're
Speaker 8: in flow, when we're in synchronicity, everything on folds. And
Speaker 8: I got a a fan letter over on Instagram for
Speaker 8: my Sylvia Plath work, and this woman wrote me and
Speaker 8: she said, I've read your first three books and I'm
Speaker 8: fascinated by what you're doing, and do you have anything
Speaker 8: else coming out on Plath? And I said, well, it's
Speaker 8: interesting that you mentioned this because I spent the last
Speaker 8: fifteen years working on this biography on Plat's mysticism, but
Speaker 8: I wasn't finding a publisher for it, and I just
Speaker 8: kind of put it away and I wrote this other book,
Speaker 8: you know, just for fun. And she said, I want
Speaker 8: to introduce you to my friends over at Inner Traditions,
Speaker 8: and long story short, she gave me the introduction to
Speaker 8: the editor and they snatched up both books, and so
Speaker 8: Tarot Life Lessons came out first in twenty twenty three
Speaker 8: and the Occult Sylvia Plath came out in May of
Speaker 8: twenty twenty four. And what a gift. I mean, it
Speaker 8: just felt like very in synct you know, I didn't
Speaker 8: even try, and and that's a god thing when when
Speaker 8: it just done folds like that, and and they've been
Speaker 8: a wonderful publisher too. Just couldn't be happier with in
Speaker 8: our traditions, which on my books as Destiny Books, that's
Speaker 8: the imprint of inner traditions.
Speaker 4: I've had so many of their authors on if I
Speaker 4: ever go to publish a book, they've had a publisher
Speaker 4: for me.
Speaker 3: I canna tell them that. No, No, they.
Speaker 4: Feed me so many people on their old grades, so
Speaker 4: I appreciate it. No, it's ah some place for.
Speaker 3: Me to deal with.
Speaker 4: So another thing I did want to ask, I guess,
Speaker 4: like after after doing this book, well while doing it,
Speaker 4: or like putting it together, did you ever kind of
Speaker 4: look at any of the major arcana a little bit
Speaker 4: differently now from looking at like maybe a string of
Speaker 4: seeing it maybe show up differently in the stories and
Speaker 4: now you're like, hmm, this is a little weird or
Speaker 4: different for you.
Speaker 3: Interesting.
Speaker 8: You know, I have been doing I have been reading
Speaker 8: Taro for so many years that I may look at
Speaker 8: a card and the story might kind of jump in
Speaker 8: my head for a moment. But when I'm reading, I'm
Speaker 8: very connected to who I'm reading for, so it'll be
Speaker 8: their story, not necessarily mine. And so no, I wouldn't
Speaker 8: say that the book has changed my perception of the cards.
Speaker 8: You know, when we're reading, we're we're channeling. Basically, we're
Speaker 8: very connected to that person and you know, and what
Speaker 8: they most need and I'm asking spirit to tell me
Speaker 8: what they need to see here, and you know, and
Speaker 8: I do love the cards because they're so visual and
Speaker 8: I can share that. And sometimes sometimes I won't know
Speaker 8: what I'm seeing, but I'll hold it up and they'll know,
Speaker 8: you know, they'll be like, oh my gosh, yes, of
Speaker 8: course that makes perfect sense to me. Sometimes my clients
Speaker 8: don't explain to me what it means. It might be
Speaker 8: too personal. I've had that happen where I've I've said
Speaker 8: some words that I'm not even sure of what I'm speaking,
Speaker 8: and they are reduced to tears or something. But they
Speaker 8: may keep it to themselves. And that's cool, because it's
Speaker 8: not my business. My business is just to give them
Speaker 8: the message nice.
Speaker 4: Nice Have you ever had, like I guess, when it
Speaker 4: comes to doing these readings and stuff, where you find
Speaker 4: yourself in a situation where you, I guess you don't
Speaker 4: want to instill fear. I'm a little bit more of
Speaker 4: empowerment instill instead, So maybe you try to word the
Speaker 4: reading differently, not differently, but try to like give them
Speaker 4: more of empowered because sometimes people, I think you'll can
Speaker 4: also be very frightening with them.
Speaker 8: Oh sure, sure, I mean it's not a responsible tarot
Speaker 8: card reader who you know, who says you're going to
Speaker 8: die next month or something. You know. That's yeah. Now
Speaker 8: it could be if I were talking to someone with
Speaker 8: stage four cancer who was in hospice, you know, and
Speaker 8: that might be all right, we got to you know,
Speaker 8: say our final words to the people we love, you know,
Speaker 8: and that has happened actually, so that would be, you know,
Speaker 8: an extenuating circumstance. But in general, you know, we don't
Speaker 8: tell people there you know, they're cursed or that, you know,
Speaker 8: I just I believe that I'm reading for you because
Speaker 8: we're connected just by being alive. I call that life
Speaker 8: force God. So you know, we are both hooked into
Speaker 8: that God system, and we have great power over our lives.
Speaker 8: And so if we see something coming up that we
Speaker 8: don't like, it's an opportunity to do it differently, you know.
Speaker 8: So like I said, it's it's always a heads up,
Speaker 8: it's always an opportunity to shift into maybe a different
Speaker 8: behavior or at least a different and way to look
Speaker 8: at something. You know, sometimes we cannot change other people,
Speaker 8: or we cannot change world circumstances, but we can change
Speaker 8: our perception of it.
Speaker 9: Have you ever been lied to by the like like spirits.
Speaker 2: I'm just curious, I mean, because I read John d.
Speaker 8: You know, not by spirits. I've been lied to by
Speaker 8: my clients right right. But yet, you know, I I
Speaker 8: believe that I'm connecting with Holy Spirit, so I'm not
Speaker 8: going to get l like. You know, it's funny people
Speaker 8: have asked me about wija boards just to get on
Speaker 8: a little tangent for a second. I have a joke
Speaker 8: that you know that the Oija board does not believe
Speaker 8: in me. And I say that because it's never worked
Speaker 8: for me. And I've had people who say I'm a
Speaker 8: master at wija you know, it's you know, they claim,
Speaker 8: and they've channeled all kinds of things and gotten all
Speaker 8: kinds of spirits to show up, and every time I've
Speaker 8: sat down, which has been numerous times, it's just dead.
Speaker 8: It is nothing. And I realized that's because I am
Speaker 8: not open to random spirits. I only want source. I
Speaker 8: only want love and light. I don't want to contaminate
Speaker 8: myself with those dark energies, and so I've put that
Speaker 8: guard up and it's not going to work for me,
Speaker 8: so I won't get lied to. A tricky spirit would lie,
Speaker 8: you know. Now, people lie. And I have had situations which,
Speaker 8: you know, it's kind of funny where I'm thinking of
Speaker 8: three sisters that I read for at a kind of
Speaker 8: an outdoor fare event and I read for one and
Speaker 8: they're like amazed. I read for another and she's like wow.
Speaker 8: And then the third one she's like, now now not done,
Speaker 8: sound like me? Not true now, you know, and she's
Speaker 8: just poo pooing the whole thing. Well, as soon as
Speaker 8: she got up, the other two sisters were like, don't
Speaker 8: believe her.
Speaker 10: She was lying, she's you know, and they said, I
Speaker 10: nailed her, you know. So so sometimes you know, whether
Speaker 10: they're lying to themselves and they just don't want to
Speaker 10: see it, or whether they're just not.
Speaker 8: Wanting to admit it to me. You know. I've also
Speaker 8: had things where things like, you know, uncomfortable situations like
Speaker 8: affairs have come up, and people don't always want to
Speaker 8: admit something like that, you know, they kind of like WHOA.
Speaker 8: And I don't push it, like, you know, I'm not
Speaker 8: asking for a confession. I'm I'll just say what I
Speaker 8: see and they can acknowledge it or not. You know, but.
Speaker 2: Sister had some slain interview or something.
Speaker 8: No, just kidding, right, right right.
Speaker 7: I wonder as you practice taro. I mean it's kind
Speaker 7: of a dundant question, but you might have some experiences
Speaker 7: that are not so how much as you practice taro,
Speaker 7: how much does that kind of build on your random
Speaker 7: intuition or your intuition outside of tara.
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, you know what I've learned. When I was younger,
Speaker 8: Taro was my crutch and I needed the cards. And
Speaker 8: as i've gotten older, and I mean significantly older, like
Speaker 8: I'm talking later fifties, I've realized that I'm in my
Speaker 8: early sixties. Now, I've realized that I have all that
Speaker 8: in me already, and I just didn't trust it. And
Speaker 8: so I'm better now at you know, I'm what they
Speaker 8: call Claire audience. So I'm sure you know all your
Speaker 8: you know, there's clairvoyant and Claire Claire sentient and Claire audience.
Speaker 8: So I hear it in my head and and yeah,
Speaker 8: you know, I've just learned that the cards are helpful.
Speaker 8: The cards are helpful because my clients like to see
Speaker 8: the pictures and they explain things. But I can do
Speaker 8: readings without the cards. I just like the cards, honestly,
Speaker 8: and my clients like the cards, and it validates, you know,
Speaker 8: to my clients, they're like, especially if they know me,
Speaker 8: it's one thing, you know, like I have a lot
Speaker 8: of I have some clients I've been talking to for
Speaker 8: ten fifteen years, and so they know me and they
Speaker 8: totally trust me and my abilities. But maybe somebody new
Speaker 8: might be like, well, she's just making shit up, you know,
Speaker 8: and so but if I pull a card and hold
Speaker 8: that up and explain, then it's sort of a oh like,
Speaker 8: like they get it a little more. You know, they
Speaker 8: can trust it a little more because they can see
Speaker 8: for themselves that this has come up.
Speaker 3: I had two questions.
Speaker 4: I don't show not which one I want to go
Speaker 4: with first, because it's going to kind of change the
Speaker 4: use the tone. Was there any things that maybe you'd
Speaker 4: like to say because we were kind of saying it before,
Speaker 4: you know, I do want to when it comes to Taro,
Speaker 4: I think to an extent, there is like a little
Speaker 4: bit of a you know, it doesn't have the best
Speaker 4: the best I guess name to it. Sometimes is there
Speaker 4: any like kind of things that maybe you wanted to
Speaker 4: like yell or just say, like certain things that seems
Speaker 4: to go on a lot that you just like to
Speaker 4: sell like it's not really like that or whatever.
Speaker 8: Right, A lot of people are afraid of it, you know,
Speaker 8: they think I'm conjuring spirits or demons or they heard,
Speaker 8: you know, in their churches that it's evil. And you know,
Speaker 8: that's so crazy to me because I feel so God
Speaker 8: centered in it. And I know now I have had
Speaker 8: fundamentalists tell me, well that Satan who's tricking you? You know?
Speaker 8: But but wow, Satan has sure done a heck of
Speaker 8: a job with Holy Spirit, because because I've seen really beautiful, positive, loving,
Speaker 8: wonderful things happen. It's never been dark. It's always been helping.
Speaker 8: It's my purpose. I mean, I'm here as a light
Speaker 8: worker and I absolutely believe that. And and and so
Speaker 8: you know there's I am. I am not wanting anything
Speaker 8: to do with Satanic energy myself. I know a lot
Speaker 8: of people are. You know, they sort of lump it
Speaker 8: all in as a cult and Tarrot, and you know,
Speaker 8: in a cult of course, just means that. It just
Speaker 8: means hidden, and it's what the masses are are a
Speaker 8: little uncomfortable about, you know. Get getting back to when
Speaker 8: when we were talking about, you know, the the occult
Speaker 8: Elvis and the occult Jim Morrison, and you know, the
Speaker 8: stuff is sort of all coming out now and and
Speaker 8: it and and people are just really uncomfortable with what's
Speaker 8: not familiar, and so the occult is about it's very
Speaker 8: unfamiliar territory. But I do get people every now and then.
Speaker 8: There's a story in Tarot Life Lessons of when I
Speaker 8: was working a Renaissance fair and some very gothy kids
Speaker 8: came in and they were, you know, in their pentagram
Speaker 8: necklaces and their black eyeliner, and they're you know, and
Speaker 8: they're like expecting like demon stuff, you know, and they
Speaker 8: wanted me to be all cool and demonic, you know. Uh,
Speaker 8: And boy was disappointing to them. And I and I
Speaker 8: shared a thing or two about their energies because one
Speaker 8: of the one of the things I have found is
Speaker 8: people who mess with that. I say, yeah, there's there's
Speaker 8: a certain amount of power in that. And if you
Speaker 8: look at the people who mess with that, they're almost
Speaker 8: all in very poor physical health. They're generally either obese
Speaker 8: or emaciated as well. It's a very interesting circumstance that
Speaker 8: I don't think you can mess with that dark energy
Speaker 8: and not be physically stripped of your of your physical power.
Speaker 8: It's it's very interesting. I want nothing to do with.
Speaker 6: It, Julia, what do you think about the idea? And
Speaker 6: of course there's means and tiktoks about it and documentaries.
Speaker 6: There is a dark side to New Age and it's
Speaker 6: out there. Obviously, there's a shadow sight to everything, and
Speaker 6: unfortunately creditors and hucksters they go where they go could
Speaker 6: be a fundamentalist church, could be the New Age movement,
Speaker 6: and they are out there exploiting women, taking money from men,
Speaker 6: getting addicted to drugs. So it's always going to happen
Speaker 6: in any sort of arena. So what do you do
Speaker 6: to sort of watch out for it or warn others
Speaker 6: about it?
Speaker 8: Or yeah, well, you know, I think it's on a
Speaker 8: case by case basis, right. I I was reading for
Speaker 8: a friend who became very upset because a girlfriend of
Speaker 8: hers has followed this man. He's sort of a I
Speaker 8: don't know he considers himself like a prophet or something,
Speaker 8: and he's he believes he's you know, like possessed by
Speaker 8: an angel and and uh, and he's basically got this
Speaker 8: harem of women who he's got them all branding themselves
Speaker 8: with a kind of a you and and they're all
Speaker 8: his concubines, you know. And and I'm like, what the hell?
Speaker 8: You know? You know, stuff there there's a a lot
Speaker 8: of weird, dark energy stuff that's right here in Saint Louis,
Speaker 8: by the way, you know, that the heart of the nation.
Speaker 8: But you know, I, I know I have clients who
Speaker 8: get into you know, They've told me about things like
Speaker 8: orgies and burning man. You know, you know, it's it's
Speaker 8: not really my world. And and I guess, you know,
Speaker 8: I listen and and if I can offer advice on
Speaker 8: somebody to navigate in their own personal life. But every
Speaker 8: circumstance is different, so you know, there there's definitely stuff
Speaker 8: going on.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, take off my nick tattoo. I hope nobody
Speaker 6: sees it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I still got the unic.
Speaker 7: That's an interesting problem that you bring up, Miguel. And
Speaker 7: sometimes I'll point out to people that, at least for
Speaker 7: me personally, I don't pursue new age. I pursue old
Speaker 7: age right where I'm actually looking for almost the carving
Speaker 7: on the wall or the hermetic scroll or whatever. You know,
Speaker 7: the old age stuff is presented as new age and
Speaker 7: gets deformed or perverted for these you know.
Speaker 3: I totally agree with that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, So I.
Speaker 4: Think it was gonna say, even with Tower when I
Speaker 4: think it just goes with everything. It all depends on
Speaker 4: the person using it in my opinion as well. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's really on the intentions on the user. I think
Speaker 4: it can be used for good things and it can
Speaker 4: be used for horrible things.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Plus there's no as I always say, there's no guarantees.
Speaker 6: Oh yeahs open the door. You know, there's no guarantees.
Speaker 6: And if you want to know the truth and know thyself,
Speaker 6: there's going to be a lot of pain. There's going
Speaker 6: to be pain and ego death and adjustment. Some people want,
Speaker 6: as somebody said, they don't want transformation. They just want
Speaker 6: their broken toys mended, and they end up in that
Speaker 6: attitude and they go down the wrong path. So it's, uh,
Speaker 6: it's supposed to be somebody else said, Yeah, mysticism is
Speaker 6: supposed to be destructive by definition what it is.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean that's the tower card, right, and and
Speaker 8: on the tower card that the crown is knocked off,
Speaker 8: which is of course the ego. And uh, you know,
Speaker 8: and I like to say the foundation is wrong and
Speaker 8: the building has to come down, and it's the next
Speaker 8: card in the series is the Star, which is our
Speaker 8: hosts and our dream, everything coming true, you know, after
Speaker 8: that destruction of the ego. So yeah, it's all, it's
Speaker 8: all part of it. And and it isn't easy to
Speaker 8: face this inner stuff, and not everybody use for it,
Speaker 8: you know. And that's another reason why people are not
Speaker 8: always comfortable with the hero. I guess they don't want
Speaker 8: to see the truth, you know. They don't want to
Speaker 8: see how they really feel. It's much easier to just
Speaker 8: numb that out with distractions or addictions, you know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's why I love the Course of Miracles. I'd
Speaker 6: see it as very gnostic because it does teach that
Speaker 6: everything is a projection. And I always like everything it
Speaker 6: is true. Every time I get mad or jealous or
Speaker 6: fearful or I have to look within, because there I
Speaker 6: am projecting something from another life. Sure people are wrong
Speaker 6: and mean, but I am participating in some way or another.
Speaker 8: So it's not easy.
Speaker 7: I was going to say, I think Julia found that
Speaker 7: one out of three are going to deny it. Right
Speaker 7: in your story of the three sisters, they're you know,
Speaker 7: I'm going to not want to hear the lessons they
Speaker 7: must face.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, that's that's kind of an interesting little analogy
Speaker 8: right in the work out in the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and but but those two out of three are
Speaker 1: are are willing and doing the work, and you know,
Speaker 1: maybe that maybe that's hopeful for for the world today.
Speaker 8: I do believe most people want to do good and
Speaker 8: and be decent people. You know, maybe not everyone, but
Speaker 8: most people. So it's part of you know, part of the.
Speaker 6: Yeah, meat Loaf did sing two out of three ain't bad?
Speaker 6: Who would bring me love? A cult discussion? Nobody but me?
Speaker 8: Right that that was the best. The meat Loaf interview
Speaker 8: with Dan Rather was one of the best interviews I've
Speaker 8: ever seen. The guy had such a life. Oh yeah,
Speaker 8: he's got the big interview. It's a show Dan Rather did,
Speaker 8: And yeah, look up meat Loaf, what a life. Guy
Speaker 8: was amazing? Will trip you out.
Speaker 3: Wow, I'll have to check that out. I really don't
Speaker 3: know much about that guy at all.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, you'd be surprised.
Speaker 6: There's a rumor. I have to check, and I don't
Speaker 6: know if it's true because I'm getting so much information
Speaker 6: about Elvis. But there's a story that Elvis was originally
Speaker 6: going to play Meat Love's character in the Rocky Horror Show.
Speaker 6: He would have been more Elvis. But I don't know
Speaker 6: if it's true or not.
Speaker 8: I don't think the timing is right. I think Elvis
Speaker 8: was dead before Rocky Horror came out, because I remember
Speaker 8: when Elvis died. I was probably I was probably about
Speaker 8: thirteen when Elvis died, and I feel like Rocky Horror
Speaker 8: came out a couple of years after that because I
Speaker 8: was at the theater see in Rocky Horror.
Speaker 6: No, those are great shows. Yeah, No, Rocky Horror was
Speaker 6: nineteen seventy five, so it was it was before Elvis.
Speaker 6: So I don't know if it's any true, but yeah,
Speaker 6: I love the Rocky going to one of those were
Speaker 6: a lot of fun, Julie until they got all I
Speaker 6: don't know, politically correct, because when we used to go
Speaker 6: it was just it was a wild thing. People were
Speaker 6: throwing stuff and dancing. It was out of control. Then
Speaker 6: suddenly it was like, oh no, you have to stay
Speaker 6: in your chair. We'll give you the bag of throwing popcorn.
Speaker 6: You can't get on stage and dance with you know,
Speaker 6: doctor franken Furd, like the old you know, it just
Speaker 6: became really terrill and I stopped going. I wanted to
Speaker 6: you know, it became like a mosh pit.
Speaker 8: Sometimes we were the same era.
Speaker 6: Yep, it was a class. We can't have fun things.
Speaker 6: As they say, it's just.
Speaker 8: Can't do the time warp anymore?
Speaker 6: What is this? No wonder there's world's falling? Aboart?
Speaker 3: What time ethan? Yeah, you want to ask?
Speaker 7: I was going to ask a sort of technical question
Speaker 7: as a neophyte, and I hope the question is not
Speaker 7: misguided as a neophyight, but could you present maybe the
Speaker 7: characteristics of each of the four suits, if you will,
Speaker 7: of the tarot, the the swords, stuffs, pentacles, and wands,
Speaker 7: if cups. Excuse me, if they do share characteristics or
Speaker 7: maybe they're all different in the in the numbers.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, they're they're different. They you know, I like
Speaker 8: to point out that they align with a regular deck
Speaker 8: of playing cards. So so some people ask, like, how
Speaker 8: can fortunes from a regular deck of playing cards. And
Speaker 8: I can do that because they match. So the wanes
Speaker 8: would with the clubs and a regular deck of cards,
Speaker 8: and wands are about energy and enthusiasm. Typically creativity is
Speaker 8: also part of that. So so when I see wands,
Speaker 8: I I I know that it's it's a high energy
Speaker 8: kind of situation or a creator or an imaginative situation
Speaker 8: or something I'm enthusiastic about. Cups are love and emotion.
Speaker 8: They have they tend to have water in them, so
Speaker 8: it's about flowing and you know, an expression. And so
Speaker 8: cups are in alignment with the hearts in a traditional deck.
Speaker 8: Swords would be in alignment with the with the spades
Speaker 8: and and and that would be a Swords are about
Speaker 8: striking out. They're about actions. They can also be about decision.
Speaker 8: Uh be customers are sharp. And then are those gold
Speaker 8: coins and that is money and you know the things
Speaker 8: of earth, and that would be in alignment with the
Speaker 8: diamonds in a traditional deck of cars. So all of
Speaker 8: those suits they have those main properties. And then we've
Speaker 8: got in the mind, we've got the numberses. Uh we
Speaker 8: kin to ones, the new banks twos. They tend to
Speaker 8: be partnerships, relationships, so you know, so like a two
Speaker 8: of cups is a very loving partnership, a two of
Speaker 8: ones is a partnership like going out into the future
Speaker 8: with with some enthusiasm, you know. But then it gets
Speaker 8: a little weird, like two of swords can be sort
Speaker 8: of like a stalemate kind of thing. So there's there's
Speaker 8: It isn't quite as simple as one number means just
Speaker 8: one thing. Uh but but each number has, you know,
Speaker 8: the numerological properties that those suits and expands on the meaning.
Speaker 8: And then of course we're looking at the meaning of
Speaker 8: you know, the pictures in the cards. So when I
Speaker 8: let me get a minor arconic card, so I got
Speaker 8: like the three of pentacles here, and this is a
Speaker 8: promise or a commitment, and you can see it looks
Speaker 8: like a marriage in fact, you know of vows, and
Speaker 8: so when this shows up, it's about making a commitment
Speaker 8: toward the direction of your life. So it could be marriage,
Speaker 8: or it could be signing on the dotted line to
Speaker 8: buy a car, or it could be committing to do
Speaker 8: a job of some kind or in reverse, letting go
Speaker 8: of a job of some kind. You know. So they
Speaker 8: all have their their meanings within the numbers and their
Speaker 8: meanings within the suits. Going beyond those major arconic cards
Speaker 8: like the Hangedman, the famous ones that we know from Hollywood,
Speaker 8: you know, the Fool, the Lover's Death, that can those
Speaker 8: are the major arkana cards.
Speaker 7: That was such a wonderful explanation. You just completely de
Speaker 7: occulted terror.
Speaker 6: That was wonderful.
Speaker 3: I like how you tied it to playing cards.
Speaker 8: Thank you. Yeah, Well, anybody can read uh fortunes. You know,
Speaker 8: it lacks a lot because of course you don't have
Speaker 8: the major arcana, which are the milestones. But if you
Speaker 8: know the basics, if you've learned the number system, and
Speaker 8: you maybe remember what the actual terror arts look like.
Speaker 8: So I pull out a four of club and I'm
Speaker 8: thinking a four of wands, you know, and so in
Speaker 8: my four of Wand's mind, I'm thinking, Okay, it's like
Speaker 8: a neat little house and a happy family and everything's
Speaker 8: in order, and so it's an order and have everything
Speaker 8: in place at home, and some more of clubs that
Speaker 8: doesn't have any pictures on it except the four clubs,
Speaker 8: but I can relate it to that. So that's that's
Speaker 8: how we do it. If we're reading from a regular
Speaker 8: deck of cards.
Speaker 4: Now, I know you had mentioned before, you know, the
Speaker 4: cabbala and tying it to the Cabala. I guess do
Speaker 4: you want to like give maybe the listeners a little
Speaker 4: bit of an idea of how you do that. I mean,
Speaker 4: I know I've mentioned it on my show plenty of times,
Speaker 4: maybe hearing it from somebody else. You know, how do
Speaker 4: you attribute the cars onto the major account to the tree?
Speaker 8: Well it fits. I mean, if you were to look
Speaker 8: up online you can see, and you can anyone can
Speaker 8: do a search and see how the tarot fits on
Speaker 8: the Kabbala tree of life. There is a card for
Speaker 8: each of the seffaro, which are the main stations of
Speaker 8: the Kabbala tree of life, the card for each pathway
Speaker 8: connecting the suff It all fits together in this incredibly
Speaker 8: beautiful system. And I do profess to be an expert Cabbalist.
Speaker 8: I'm I wonder if anyone can be. Honestly, it's it's such,
Speaker 8: it's it's such a journey to learn Kabala, and there's
Speaker 8: so much to it. I as I understand. Uh, they
Speaker 8: say that no one is even capable under forty years old,
Speaker 8: and uh, and and it traditionally it was always a
Speaker 8: man's pursuit, which I find very interesting. But but uh,
Speaker 8: you know, in the books I've read on Kabbala and
Speaker 8: the copy of the Zohar, and you know, I I
Speaker 8: dip into it and I I use it much like
Speaker 8: any other kind of scripture and and just learn from it. So,
Speaker 8: you know, I remember learning about addiction in the Kabbala
Speaker 8: and about how it was our favorite distraction to keep
Speaker 8: ourselves numb so that we don't feel our feelings. You know,
Speaker 8: that just little lessons that I've picked up from Kabbala.
Speaker 8: But but I think it, you know, it's a very involved, deep,
Speaker 8: deep study. We're talking about the dark side. There's that
Speaker 8: whole cliphos, that that other shadow side in the Kabbala
Speaker 8: Tree of life. Some people have devoted their lives just
Speaker 8: to studying that.
Speaker 10: You know.
Speaker 8: It's it's all, it's all fascinating. It's a map of creation,
Speaker 8: and it's I think it's a it's an understanding of
Speaker 8: how the gods system works and how the universe was created.
Speaker 8: And it's very you can go as high level and
Speaker 8: superficial as you want or as deep as you want,
Speaker 8: and some people have gone so deep that you know,
Speaker 8: they've been accused of going into madness. And yeah, it's
Speaker 8: a lot, it's a lot, but but I think that
Speaker 8: I think that it's got something for almost everyone. Uh,
Speaker 8: you know, it's it's the system that all of the
Speaker 8: occult sciences operate on. It's the organizational blueprint for astrology
Speaker 8: and mythology and alchemy and taro and you know, and
Speaker 8: it's just how the system works, and it's fascinating and
Speaker 8: it does not vary. You know, every occult science seems
Speaker 8: to fit into this in a most amazing way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's just like seven kind of shows you how
Speaker 4: everything can be matched onto onto that. Miguel, what is
Speaker 4: your thoughts on.
Speaker 3: On the Kabbala?
Speaker 4: Like, have you ever heard that that whole theory with
Speaker 4: forty year you should wait till you're in your forties
Speaker 4: and that you know to shake and like you know,
Speaker 4: basically drive you crazy.
Speaker 3: You've heard those theories, dude?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I mean again, it's there's no guarantees. And
Speaker 6: like the shaman going into the underworld, which is what
Speaker 6: any mystic or terror reader does, you are going down
Speaker 6: into the spirit world and it's not a safe place.
Speaker 6: It's a dangerous place. You have to be centered, you
Speaker 6: have to be prepared, you have to Yeah, you have
Speaker 6: to know the risk you're taking. So and of course
Speaker 6: the Kabbala, there are many types of Kabbala, so that's hard.
Speaker 6: The Zohar is of course a monster book to even
Speaker 6: get into. I know Elvis gave it a crack. I
Speaker 6: think Larry Geller was the one who probably you know,
Speaker 6: who had some experience and helped him and saw it.
Speaker 6: His attitude was just code. That was Elvis's way of
Speaker 6: seeing things.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 6: It's if I find the code in astrology and numerology
Speaker 6: and all this, I can break the code of reality
Speaker 6: and get closer to God, which was his centering or
Speaker 6: what he wanted. So I think it's a good way
Speaker 6: to approach things. But yeah, it's you never know, You
Speaker 6: just never know. It's a risky.
Speaker 3: Is you know? That's a good question, a good point
Speaker 3: to make, Julie.
Speaker 4: And you don't want to ask you this, I guess
Speaker 4: for yourself and from doing this, you know, Taro or
Speaker 4: I guess you know, being into the occult and mysticism
Speaker 4: whatever we want to call it, would you say for yourself?
Speaker 4: I mean, you have to keep your own house in order,
Speaker 4: or you're no good to anybody.
Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, you know. And you know I warned people
Speaker 8: a lot about just getting guidance or advice from any
Speaker 8: spiritual well any person. I mean, would you go to
Speaker 8: in aunt if they didn't have their finances in order?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 8: Like that's crazy, you know, and you want to if
Speaker 8: you're seeking. I know so many people who are going
Speaker 8: to be a life coach and I'm like really knowing
Speaker 8: that they can't get relationships, you know, successfully managed, and
Speaker 8: they maybe have money problems and that this problem and
Speaker 8: that problem. I mean, you just it's amazing how many
Speaker 8: people hang up a shingle that don't have their house
Speaker 8: in order. And so I never want to be a hypocrite.
Speaker 8: You know, I am not perfect, not by a long stretch,
Speaker 8: but I'm doing my best should be a person. And yeah,
Speaker 8: and it is something that you you know, how can
Speaker 8: someone teach or guide when they're not on that pass already?
Speaker 8: I don't think it's possible.
Speaker 6: You know what about I do the eaching. The terror
Speaker 6: is not my thing, and I like the eaching because
Speaker 6: it tends to be pretty slaps you in the face
Speaker 6: and will scold you if you try to play around
Speaker 6: with it. So it's not easy for my ego to
Speaker 6: try to game the eaching, because that's what egos does.
Speaker 6: And my wife, like you, has been doing terra for
Speaker 6: like thirty years. She's a devout Catholic and she doesn't
Speaker 6: even rationalize. It's just something it called her and that's
Speaker 6: just the way it is. But she's really good at
Speaker 6: terror and she always says she works at its simple.
Speaker 6: She says, every client knows the answer deep within them.
Speaker 6: They know everything. They are part of God like I am,
Speaker 6: so they know. We all know what our problems are.
Speaker 6: We just it's a matter of face. We all have
Speaker 6: the ability to look behind the veil. So her job
Speaker 6: is to sort of teach them that, you know, the answers.
Speaker 6: I'm just here guiding you.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know. My husband used to sit in my
Speaker 8: tend the Renaissance Fair when I did the Saint Lonis
Speaker 8: Renaissance Fair way back, and he used to eavesdrop sometimes
Speaker 8: in my readings and he would say, you're not telling
Speaker 8: them anything they don't already know. And I said, right,
Speaker 8: they needed they needed to hear it, they needed to
Speaker 8: be validated, They needed, you know, somebody to see it.
Speaker 8: And then they go, oh right, yes, of course, and
Speaker 8: and that's it's just bringing it to their full consciousness.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the answers are always in us.
Speaker 7: I was thinking that there may be kind of a
Speaker 7: twofold reasoning for the forty idea. I heard recently that
Speaker 7: young wouldn't even accept people if they weren't over forty
Speaker 7: because he just found them uninteresting. So then maybe there's
Speaker 7: one reason that we just don't know so much. But
Speaker 7: the Bible kind of infers all these forty days and
Speaker 7: forty year initiation processes, if you will, right to where
Speaker 7: there's there's something about being able to handle yourself in
Speaker 7: the world when you go through either a forty day
Speaker 7: or forty year cycle.
Speaker 2: I will say for my kids, they have no interest.
Speaker 9: In any of my stuff, Like they're like, yeah, you're
Speaker 9: boring cheese the channel, but they're all young, yeah.
Speaker 2: Not young young. Like almost getting.
Speaker 8: Back to Sylvia Plath and Ted Hughes were both under
Speaker 8: forty when they began their journey into kabbala as as
Speaker 8: I have shown. And Sylvia of course died when she
Speaker 8: was thirty. And you know that the punishment, according to
Speaker 8: Cobblists is you know, first of all, you're supposed to
Speaker 8: be over forty and you're a man, and the punishment
Speaker 8: is supposedly madness. And I find that very interesting given
Speaker 8: you know, what happened to Plath, And some might say
Speaker 8: Hughes went a little mad too, in his way differently mad,
Speaker 8: but but you know, he had his demons, especially after
Speaker 8: Plath died, which was part of the story of my
Speaker 8: Occult Sylvia Plath book. But yeah, that whole Kabala facet
Speaker 8: is pretty interesting. Just you know, if you believe that
Speaker 8: there's a punishment for being in I don't. I don't know,
Speaker 8: Like I said, I don't believe that stuff can touch
Speaker 8: me on love and light and positivity here. But but
Speaker 8: that's going into deep in too dark.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I like the When Kabbala originally started, it was
Speaker 6: a lot closer to sort of nas. It was very dualistic.
Speaker 6: It was all about demons versus the light powers and
Speaker 6: Samuel and Lilith, and it was hardcore stuff, and I
Speaker 6: always liked, you know, the more punk rock religions, which
Speaker 6: that's how they start, I think, even Buddhism or sober.
Speaker 6: Then then it sort of as it grew and it developed,
Speaker 6: it started moving out and making it more palatable, and
Speaker 6: then you know, you get to the new age Madonna stuff,
Speaker 6: which is like, oh my god. But obviously Kabbala had
Speaker 6: to go underground for a while because of a Shabbatai
Speaker 6: zev which you know, humiliated an entire religion. This guy
Speaker 6: who was just yeah, he was Jim Morrison in the
Speaker 6: Elvis of his time. He was just without a control
Speaker 6: mystic who had had millions of people thinking he was
Speaker 6: the Messiah. So it's, uh, yeah, he's a it's a
Speaker 6: it's powerful stuff, but hey, anything else is average.
Speaker 3: As they say, it's funny that you mentioned him.
Speaker 4: Even Blovotsky say that he like used the most like
Speaker 4: screwed up version of perverted version of the Kabbala.
Speaker 6: Well, it's all, you know, how it is with the
Speaker 6: related it's interpretations. You know, he started interpretating the tal
Speaker 6: mood and the Torah and you know, the Messiah must
Speaker 6: go into darkness to rescue the sparks. And he was like, oh,
Speaker 6: does that mean I need to drink and have sex
Speaker 6: with other girls? You know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Like, well, I guess you could say that, but that's
Speaker 5: not what we rabbis do. And he was like, oh no,
Speaker 5: I'm in I'm in, you know, the redemption by sin
Speaker 5: like Crowley and some of the Gnostics used to say,
Speaker 5: so not my bag.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, you know, but you could see it happening.
Speaker 3: So Jesus, one woman's enough Jesus Christ.
Speaker 4: Uh, Juliet, is there anything about the book that you
Speaker 4: would really like to I guess maybe talk about a
Speaker 4: cover before we get the wrapping it up soon, maybe,
Speaker 4: or anything important that you would like to touch on. No,
Speaker 4: might be having a delay again, yes, yes, sorry, that
Speaker 4: might have been a delay again.
Speaker 3: I apologie. Oh yeah, I was asking you about the book.
Speaker 8: All right, I'm sorry. What what about the book?
Speaker 4: Yeah, if there was anything about the book that you
Speaker 4: might have wanted to, uh maybe mention to talk about,
Speaker 4: to bring up before we start to wrap it up.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I'll just say that. I also recorded it
Speaker 8: on audio book, so for those who aren't readers of
Speaker 8: paper books anymore, I recorded it in my own voice.
Speaker 8: That was important to me. I wanted to read my
Speaker 8: own work, and and uh and it took a little
Speaker 8: bit of acting, you know, because uh, it's you don't
Speaker 8: just read something flat when you when you record an audiobook.
Speaker 8: But but I had fun with it. And so so
Speaker 8: you can get it on audible or any of the
Speaker 8: audiobook sites as well as you know, just buying buying
Speaker 8: a paper copy of it. And I've had a lot
Speaker 8: of new clients from my book. You know, they've read
Speaker 8: my book and then they wanted to get readings from
Speaker 8: me in person. And some of them have had lessons
Speaker 8: from me online, you know, as they've read my book
Speaker 8: and and they're like, Okay, tell me how you would
Speaker 8: do the spread, and you know, and we go over
Speaker 8: things and and I'm happy to do that with people
Speaker 8: as well.
Speaker 3: Oh nice, that's awesome.
Speaker 4: Uh, you know, maybe one one more question and then uh,
Speaker 4: and then if anybody else has a question that you
Speaker 4: can go and then we'll wrap it up.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 4: And I have to put too much pressure on you,
Speaker 4: but like maybe if you could, like I'm trying to
Speaker 4: think of like an easy way to wear this, is
Speaker 4: there maybe one card from the major icona that you
Speaker 4: noticed throughout doing this book that maybe you could touch
Speaker 4: on and like how you sort it, like what it meant,
Speaker 4: like the meaning of it to you throughout this book,
Speaker 4: Like maybe like the Tower the Lovers or something, you know,
Speaker 4: whichever whichever won.
Speaker 8: But because I have a story for each card. You know,
Speaker 8: there isn't like one dominating card, you know, there's there's
Speaker 8: one dominating card for each story. Yeah, but not throughout
Speaker 8: the book, you know. You know, I could say my
Speaker 8: favorite major Arconic card, and that would be Strengths. It's this,
Speaker 8: this beautiful woman, and she tames the beast. You know,
Speaker 8: she tames the lion. It's supposed to be the nemean lion,
Speaker 8: herculess lion. And and and that Lyon almost killed them,
Speaker 8: you know, but but but she she triumphs not with
Speaker 8: brutality but with love and gentleness and her character. And uh.
Speaker 8: And I always tell my clients that's them when when
Speaker 8: that card shows up. And sometimes when strength is nurse,
Speaker 8: I say, you may be doubting your own strength. You
Speaker 8: may be very very tested, but nobody gets a strength
Speaker 8: hard who isn't strong enough, you know. So so that's
Speaker 8: one of my favorite cards.
Speaker 3: Very good, very good. Thank you, Ethan, Heidi and Miguel.
Speaker 3: Did you have anything that you wanted to ask before
Speaker 3: we wrap it up?
Speaker 2: Just thank you, thank you for coming on.
Speaker 7: Yeah, thank you so much. That was very insightful. And
Speaker 7: I love the idea of soft strength that you just
Speaker 7: kind of put forth.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just want to end. So how do you think, uh.
Speaker 8: From having been on your show?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, but how do you think? Do you think
Speaker 6: Silvia is being served? You think your book is slowly
Speaker 6: making progress? Or how has it been received?
Speaker 8: I do you know interesting? When I went to London
Speaker 8: last year, I had two standing only events in London,
Speaker 8: and boy, that is my city. Like you know, the
Speaker 8: Londoners their their emmesticism, their readers, and they love Plath.
Speaker 8: So it's like the perfect combination of energies. So I
Speaker 8: can't wait to go back, and I'm talking to one
Speaker 8: of those bookstore owners about that just as soon as
Speaker 8: I can. But but you know, the book is selling
Speaker 8: steadily and it seems to have I really think more
Speaker 8: of an international appeal than a national appeal. It's doing
Speaker 8: okay here nationally, but it's in Britain and Austria and
Speaker 8: New Zealand and you know, Netherlands, that's where people are
Speaker 8: buying it, which I find very interesting.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that is very interesting.
Speaker 8: I just think Americans are not readers anymore, you know,
Speaker 8: and which is really a sad thing to say, but
Speaker 8: seems to be true. I know a lot of people
Speaker 8: who tell me they don't read almost proudly. You know,
Speaker 8: it's just how it is.
Speaker 4: That and I will say as much as and you
Speaker 4: know what I think it is maybe because of the
Speaker 4: communities where around, we tend to think that there is
Speaker 4: a lot of people open to this. But my belief,
Speaker 4: I still don't think the United States is as open
Speaker 4: to the occult as some other countries are. You know,
Speaker 4: that stuff is kind of just almost like play day,
Speaker 4: So that can maybe have something to do with it too.
Speaker 3: I actually believe it in that, Yeah, which.
Speaker 7: I still visibly see shock in people's faces if I
Speaker 7: merely say the word and whatever context one might imagine,
Speaker 7: if I say o cult, they it's just kind of
Speaker 7: veer back.
Speaker 6: Yeah, although the word doesn't even make sense anymore. And
Speaker 6: I know, ye like the word pagan or something like,
Speaker 6: what does it even mean anymore? And there's nothing that's
Speaker 6: occulted and paganism used to be a derogatory term for
Speaker 6: non Christians. What's a pagan is an African animist and
Speaker 6: a Buddhist a pagan. So sometimes, yeah, I think our
Speaker 6: language is also failing. Is that's why you know, people
Speaker 6: like Yung or Crowley or so many others are like,
Speaker 6: we need new words, new languages to open up our consciousness,
Speaker 6: but we're still, you know, we're still We're still hanging
Speaker 6: on to these words. That's why the publisher called it
Speaker 6: the occult Sylvia Plath and the occult Elvis because that's
Speaker 6: what works still. But the word doesn't work.
Speaker 3: It works with the people who are looking.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah exactly.
Speaker 4: But thank you all for coming on real quick. Before
Speaker 4: we wrap it up, Miguel, remind everybody where they can
Speaker 4: find your amazing show, please and all you work.
Speaker 6: Yeah right now, just go to Miguel Connor dot com.
Speaker 6: And it's kind of a which way Western Man. You
Speaker 6: can go to the Occult Elvis way am I substack,
Speaker 6: or you can go to I'm Bignostic Radio for all
Speaker 6: the no stick hereses podcasts and all that stuff. So
Speaker 6: that's where you should go.
Speaker 4: Awesome, great stuff, And thank you so much for jumping on.
Speaker 4: I really appreciate that. That's awesome. And uh, Heidi, please
Speaker 4: let everybody know where they can find you.
Speaker 9: I am Heidi love of the Unfiltered Rice Podcast. Everywhere
Speaker 9: podcasts are served. I do have my own website, Unfiltered
Speaker 9: ricepodcast dot com and you guys can catch me there.
Speaker 2: Thank you everyone that was here today, Thank you, thank you,
Speaker 2: and Ethan.
Speaker 7: In the go please, thank you so much for involving
Speaker 7: me in this great conversation.
Speaker 6: You guys.
Speaker 7: I love hearing your insights. And I'm on the usual
Speaker 7: social media and so forth. And Ken, I just dropped
Speaker 7: an article about the circumpunked on a cult research institute,
Speaker 7: so check that out.
Speaker 6: Ethan's going to be on a bide at the beginning
Speaker 6: of June. He's going to talk about Taoist themes and
Speaker 6: Rocky Horror Picture Show.
Speaker 3: Awesome. I was like, I had no idea it was intinet.
Speaker 6: Actually no, no, we'll have fun. We'll have fun.
Speaker 3: That's right, that's great.
Speaker 4: And Julia, please let everybody know where they can find
Speaker 4: you in and let them know about all the books.
Speaker 3: That you have.
Speaker 8: Yeah, well I have five books altogether, but but my
Speaker 8: two latest are Tarot Life Lessons that we talked about
Speaker 8: and books on Amazon. Just Julia, Gordon Bramer or uh
Speaker 8: and uh. And I'm on all the social networks on
Speaker 8: Instagram and say book big Bramer for the Yeah, love
Speaker 8: to connect.
Speaker 3: Awesome. Yeah, I think you broke up a lot on that.
Speaker 4: But yes, you have the Occult Sylvia Plath, you have
Speaker 4: the Taro Life Lessons and you can find her on
Speaker 4: Instagram and Twitter. I will have I'll put all those
Speaker 4: links in the bottom. If they're not there now, I
Speaker 4: know I do have your website at least. Julia, thank
Speaker 4: you so much for coming on. It was a great talk.
Speaker 4: Like last time, about to have you on again in
Speaker 4: the future for you know whatever.
Speaker 8: Um.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we appreciate it. And again, thank you everybody
Speaker 4: in the chat. That's what's up. That's why I went live.
Speaker 4: It was great to see you all there and I
Speaker 4: appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Thank you. Donald.
Speaker 4: Like I said, I just sent you out stickers today
Speaker 4: and we have to send you like another box. I
Speaker 4: appreciate that. Super chat. Yeah, and until the next one,
Speaker 4: everybody be well later