WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:04.839 You see somethings going to happen. 2 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:10.599 What's going to happen? 3 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:22.719 What help? 4 00:00:24.399 --> 00:00:28.079 Welcome to the Occults Rejects this episode. 5 00:00:28.120 --> 00:00:29.440 We got a bunch of people with us today. 6 00:00:29.559 --> 00:00:32.200 Today we even got like a special guest and the 7 00:00:32.240 --> 00:00:36.079 guest h today joining me. We got I'll start first 8 00:00:36.159 --> 00:00:37.240 with Heidi Love. 9 00:00:37.320 --> 00:00:38.960 What is going on? Heidi? How are you? 10 00:00:39.920 --> 00:00:40.159 Hey? 11 00:00:40.240 --> 00:00:40.840 Everybody? 12 00:00:40.960 --> 00:00:42.960 I'm good to be here. Thank you for having me, 13 00:00:43.079 --> 00:00:45.479 Heidi Love of the Unfiltered Rise. I'm happy to be 14 00:00:45.520 --> 00:00:47.799 here and I'm happy to be with all of you guys. 15 00:00:48.159 --> 00:00:50.399 Awesome, Thank you very much, and I appreciate you jumping on. 16 00:00:51.079 --> 00:00:53.719 And we got ethan Indigo. 17 00:00:53.560 --> 00:00:57.880 Sir, Please let everybody know what you're dealing is well. 18 00:00:57.920 --> 00:01:00.840 It is my honor to be here, and I'm looking 19 00:01:00.880 --> 00:01:05.200 forward to exchanging ideas with everyone. And I'm a writer 20 00:01:05.359 --> 00:01:08.079 and so on and so forth and an observer of 21 00:01:08.120 --> 00:01:12.159 all this crazy madness. Well, honor to be here. You 22 00:01:12.159 --> 00:01:13.120 believe you guys, of. 23 00:01:13.079 --> 00:01:14.799 Course you know I was appreciate you going on, sir, 24 00:01:15.359 --> 00:01:18.599 and special guests joining us today. With our guest is 25 00:01:18.640 --> 00:01:20.599 Miguel from aon Bite. I'm sure you all know who 26 00:01:20.640 --> 00:01:22.239 he is, but in case you don't. Please we go 27 00:01:22.439 --> 00:01:24.719 let everybody know where they can find all your amazing work. 28 00:01:26.120 --> 00:01:27.879 Good to be here, thanks for having me on. Oh 29 00:01:27.920 --> 00:01:30.519 simple look at my name Miguel Connor dot com and 30 00:01:31.400 --> 00:01:32.319 it's all there. 31 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:35.959 Yes, And if you haven't heard the occult Elvis, please 32 00:01:36.239 --> 00:01:39.359 go check it out and check out that book, some wild, 33 00:01:39.400 --> 00:01:41.239 bugged out stuff. I'll be totally honest with you. There 34 00:01:41.280 --> 00:01:43.439 was a lot of stuff I had no idea about 35 00:01:43.439 --> 00:01:44.599 Elvis until Miguel. 36 00:01:44.359 --> 00:01:47.840 Told this, So please go check out so interesting. 37 00:01:48.319 --> 00:01:52.239 Yes, and finally we got Julia Gordon Braemer. Am I 38 00:01:52.239 --> 00:01:52.879 saying it correctly? 39 00:01:52.920 --> 00:01:54.120 Again? I think I asked you last time? 40 00:01:55.120 --> 00:01:56.079 You are all right? 41 00:01:56.400 --> 00:01:56.560 Yes? 42 00:01:56.799 --> 00:02:00.760 Long, Yes, we got her back on again and we 43 00:02:00.799 --> 00:02:02.840 had a great time when she was on last time, 44 00:02:02.879 --> 00:02:06.040 talking about Sylvia Plath. And I'll be toally honest with you. 45 00:02:06.120 --> 00:02:08.199 If it wasn't from Miguel, I would never have known 46 00:02:08.199 --> 00:02:10.039 who this lady was. So that was the reason why 47 00:02:10.039 --> 00:02:12.120 I kind of even asked him to come on. But 48 00:02:12.400 --> 00:02:13.280 we got her today. 49 00:02:13.479 --> 00:02:15.840 It's a book you must have, a book you must have, 50 00:02:15.919 --> 00:02:17.879 and it's a great book that. 51 00:02:17.840 --> 00:02:18.919 I keep going back to. 52 00:02:20.039 --> 00:02:23.240 Yeah, and I have to laugh because what we're going 53 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:25.919 up again, So, whether it's a Colt Elvis or Paul 54 00:02:26.039 --> 00:02:29.080 Wilde in his book about Jim Morrison, is this resistance 55 00:02:29.680 --> 00:02:34.319 to the spiritual world the benefits because I remember I 56 00:02:34.439 --> 00:02:36.680 put out your podcast, Julia, and I put it on 57 00:02:36.759 --> 00:02:40.240 Facebook and other social media, and low and behold you 58 00:02:40.319 --> 00:02:42.520 got these people. Well she just dabbled with it. It 59 00:02:42.560 --> 00:02:45.039 wasn't a big deal. I mean, it was just the 60 00:02:45.159 --> 00:02:49.240 resistance to the truth is incredible. So I'm sure you 61 00:02:49.240 --> 00:02:51.240 can really And I get the same with Elvis. I mean, 62 00:02:51.960 --> 00:02:55.879 their back on me, like no, he was a conservative Christian. 63 00:02:55.919 --> 00:02:58.759 You're just lying, And I'm like, here's the data. 64 00:02:59.479 --> 00:03:02.680 You know this isn't it crazy? Yeah, they don't want 65 00:03:02.719 --> 00:03:05.719 to see it. They have their their tunnel vision. 66 00:03:07.240 --> 00:03:09.840 And the funny thing with that is it just like 67 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:12.240 like you know, we're not saying they're a bad person 68 00:03:12.280 --> 00:03:15.520 for this, right, Like that's not the reason of the book. 69 00:03:16.439 --> 00:03:18.560 If anything, were saying they were more intelligent and had 70 00:03:18.560 --> 00:03:20.159 more to offer to us than we thought they did. 71 00:03:20.439 --> 00:03:22.840 And people get upset with that. Now it's it's funny, 72 00:03:23.120 --> 00:03:26.759 it's very interesting. But yeah, like Miguel said, definitely go 73 00:03:26.840 --> 00:03:29.439 check out that book, check out the episode. It was 74 00:03:29.439 --> 00:03:31.199 a blast and that's why we had to have her 75 00:03:31.240 --> 00:03:33.840 back on again. We had such a great time. So Julia, 76 00:03:33.919 --> 00:03:36.400 please let everybody know they can find all the amazing stuff. 77 00:03:36.479 --> 00:03:39.000 And yes, we'll be talking about Tyro Life Lessons, which 78 00:03:39.000 --> 00:03:39.800 is another book. 79 00:03:39.560 --> 00:03:40.479 Of hers as well. 80 00:03:42.199 --> 00:03:45.319 Yeah, yeah, well, I mean you can. You can find 81 00:03:45.360 --> 00:03:48.520 out anything about me on Julia Gordon Bremer dot com 82 00:03:49.960 --> 00:03:53.199 and and I'm on all the social networks on Facebook 83 00:03:53.199 --> 00:03:57.120 and Instagram and Twitter X all of that, So Jay 84 00:03:57.159 --> 00:04:03.360 Gordon Bramer on on X and on Insta. But yeah, 85 00:04:03.599 --> 00:04:06.199 where do you want to start here? I mean, gosh, 86 00:04:06.400 --> 00:04:09.360 I've been a Tarot card reader for over forty six 87 00:04:09.439 --> 00:04:14.240 years now. I guess that's a place to start, right. 88 00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:16.040 So I guess that was one of the reasons why 89 00:04:16.040 --> 00:04:16.839 you wrote a book on taro. 90 00:04:18.680 --> 00:04:23.079 Yeah, I wanted to write a book that well, when 91 00:04:23.079 --> 00:04:25.639 I first wrote it, I mean, it came from my 92 00:04:25.759 --> 00:04:30.360 journal entries. So my working title was the Tarot Diaries 93 00:04:30.920 --> 00:04:34.319 because I wrote it for myself. I wrote it with 94 00:04:35.439 --> 00:04:38.720 you know, I would have these incredible readings that I 95 00:04:38.800 --> 00:04:40.800 just didn't want to forget, and I was like, oh 96 00:04:40.839 --> 00:04:42.879 my god, I can't believe this happened, you know, and 97 00:04:43.279 --> 00:04:46.120 something would come up. And as a writer, you know, 98 00:04:46.160 --> 00:04:49.600 I'm also a creative writer and a poet, and I 99 00:04:49.680 --> 00:04:54.839 just wanted to capture the little vignettes for myself and 100 00:04:54.959 --> 00:04:59.199 so I so I would just jot something down, and 101 00:04:59.240 --> 00:05:02.079 I would, you know, when this card would come up, 102 00:05:02.160 --> 00:05:04.920 or I would see somebody's face change when they would 103 00:05:04.959 --> 00:05:08.360 recognize such and such with this other card, and you know, 104 00:05:08.399 --> 00:05:12.759 and I got down all those little moments, and it 105 00:05:12.920 --> 00:05:15.959 was the stories that floored me. 106 00:05:16.240 --> 00:05:16.439 You know. 107 00:05:16.600 --> 00:05:22.720 They they were a murder showed up, covering up manslaughter, 108 00:05:22.839 --> 00:05:29.720 showed up addictions, you know, terrible addictions, gambling addictions, alcohol addictions, 109 00:05:29.800 --> 00:05:36.120 drug addictions. There was some really strange things where there 110 00:05:36.160 --> 00:05:41.240 was one situation where somebody was impersonating me. And like, 111 00:05:41.839 --> 00:05:45.480 what has come up in the cards has been mind blowing. 112 00:05:45.560 --> 00:05:48.759 And so what I did was I assembled them all 113 00:05:48.800 --> 00:05:53.319 in the order of the major arcana and I and 114 00:05:53.600 --> 00:05:55.439 I just had a little fun with it. I learned 115 00:05:55.480 --> 00:05:58.920 that from Sylvia Plath because all of Sylvia Plath's work 116 00:05:59.040 --> 00:06:02.639 that she assembled, including the Bell Jar, her novel, was 117 00:06:02.680 --> 00:06:05.560 all in this major Arkana order. So she so she 118 00:06:05.680 --> 00:06:08.519 taught me and uh and and I put all of 119 00:06:08.519 --> 00:06:12.600 my little stories together, and and that became Tarot life Lessons, 120 00:06:13.240 --> 00:06:18.959 So uh so yeah, it was They're all true. I 121 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:22.360 wanted to write a book that I had never seen 122 00:06:22.399 --> 00:06:25.240 before about the taro. You know, there's there's tons of 123 00:06:25.279 --> 00:06:27.959 how to read Tarot books. I didn't want to write 124 00:06:27.959 --> 00:06:30.240 another one of those. You can you can look up 125 00:06:30.560 --> 00:06:33.000 you know what cards mean all over the place. 126 00:06:33.079 --> 00:06:33.240 You know. 127 00:06:33.279 --> 00:06:34.959 I wanted something to be different there. 128 00:06:36.839 --> 00:06:38.439 That's great because my next question was going to be 129 00:06:38.480 --> 00:06:40.000 what makes this book different than all the other ones? 130 00:06:40.040 --> 00:06:41.240 So I guess you kind of answered that, right. 131 00:06:42.399 --> 00:06:43.879 So I was going to say, everybody's got books on 132 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:45.319 tower to tell you how to read it. What makes 133 00:06:45.319 --> 00:06:47.920 you as different? So thank you? Awesome? 134 00:06:50.600 --> 00:06:54.600 Yeah, real life stories. You know, it's kind of like 135 00:06:54.680 --> 00:06:57.360 when when you're reading my book, you're sitting on my 136 00:06:57.439 --> 00:07:00.560 shoulder or or in my head and uh and you're 137 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:04.199 getting the story, uh as I'm You're you're understanding my 138 00:07:04.319 --> 00:07:07.959 thoughts and my feelings and uh and how I'm interpreting 139 00:07:08.000 --> 00:07:08.519 the cards. 140 00:07:09.959 --> 00:07:12.720 Wow, this is interesting. Nice. 141 00:07:12.920 --> 00:07:15.519 Uh Is there any like I guess maybe, is there 142 00:07:15.560 --> 00:07:17.800 any examples of things that you would want to bring 143 00:07:17.879 --> 00:07:20.480 up from that maybe you could think of like love. 144 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:26.040 Hands yeah, sure, you know. Uh, well, like I said, 145 00:07:26.079 --> 00:07:30.040 you know, there's a lot of very different kinds of 146 00:07:30.040 --> 00:07:31.399 of things that have come up. 147 00:07:32.120 --> 00:07:32.319 Uh. 148 00:07:32.360 --> 00:07:36.319 The very first story is my own story. It's in 149 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:40.120 Alignment with the Fool card and how I got into Taro, 150 00:07:40.319 --> 00:07:43.360 and and how I how I found my own natural intuition, 151 00:07:43.639 --> 00:07:47.399 and and and my journey into into mysticism of all kinds, 152 00:07:47.439 --> 00:07:50.560 and and even the Sylvia Plath work is mentioned in 153 00:07:50.639 --> 00:07:54.399 there because it's all been such a part of of 154 00:07:54.480 --> 00:08:00.800 my spiritual journey. I definitely feel that Plath in her 155 00:08:00.920 --> 00:08:05.480 way called me maybe to the Taro initially, because when 156 00:08:05.480 --> 00:08:08.360 I was sixteen, that was when I also found the 157 00:08:08.399 --> 00:08:11.959 bell Jar and you know, and discovered her as a 158 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:14.639 writer and a poet, so, which was the same age 159 00:08:14.680 --> 00:08:18.199 I found the Taro. So so I kind of marvel 160 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:20.720 at that, and I think, okay, maybe she had, maybe 161 00:08:20.720 --> 00:08:26.680 she was orchestrating this all along. But as you know, 162 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:30.120 so I tell my own story in the first the 163 00:08:30.160 --> 00:08:33.559 first story in the Tarot Life Lessons in Alignment with 164 00:08:33.600 --> 00:08:37.039 the Fool. The second story in Alignment with the Magician. 165 00:08:37.799 --> 00:08:40.600 If you know anything about the Taro, the magician is 166 00:08:40.639 --> 00:08:45.440 sometimes the con artist or the trickster and the story 167 00:08:45.600 --> 00:08:51.440 of a scam artist who who basically had convinced a 168 00:08:51.639 --> 00:08:57.159 woman on Facebook, a widow, to you know, turn over 169 00:08:57.559 --> 00:09:03.200 her entire retirement and uh and I got very attached 170 00:09:04.159 --> 00:09:08.879 to this woman and was really begging her to not 171 00:09:09.080 --> 00:09:13.600 do this, and uh, you'll you'll see it. You know. 172 00:09:13.679 --> 00:09:18.159 I form really interesting relationships with my clients, and some 173 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:22.559 of them, you know, I care, uh And and it's 174 00:09:22.639 --> 00:09:25.480 it's kind of a problem. Sometimes I almost wish I 175 00:09:25.519 --> 00:09:28.120 didn't because I can't run their lives for them, And 176 00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:31.639 especially when we get into something like that or or 177 00:09:31.679 --> 00:09:35.279 something like the gambling addict who is in U in 178 00:09:35.360 --> 00:09:38.879 the story with my Wheel of Fortune card. Uh, you know, 179 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:44.840 I basically watching someone destroy her life with gambling. And 180 00:09:46.120 --> 00:09:50.279 you know, there is a helplessness in reading the cards 181 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:54.559 and seeing, you know, having people weep openly because they're 182 00:09:54.600 --> 00:09:59.559 recognizing what they're going through, and yet they seem incapable 183 00:09:59.600 --> 00:10:02.919 of stuff. You know, that's the problem. I can show 184 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:06.559 people what's going on, and I can give them guidance, 185 00:10:07.080 --> 00:10:10.879 but I can't fix it for them. And boys, sometimes 186 00:10:10.919 --> 00:10:13.480 I sure wish I could, But you know, it's kind 187 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:19.960 of like parenting that way, right, so there's lots of stories, 188 00:10:20.039 --> 00:10:25.559 lots of different kinds of stories. You know, there's a 189 00:10:25.639 --> 00:10:28.960 man at a wedding and an older man, he was 190 00:10:29.000 --> 00:10:33.039 probably nearing eighty, who his card showed that he'd never 191 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:38.759 been loved at all, and the two of us were 192 00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:43.279 sobbing and holding hands. You know that he was the 193 00:10:43.320 --> 00:10:48.080 hermit that. You know, there's a lot of interesting things 194 00:10:48.120 --> 00:10:50.159 that have come up over all of these years that 195 00:10:50.200 --> 00:10:54.200 I've done this professionally, and almost all of them are 196 00:10:54.320 --> 00:10:57.840 my professional stories, although there are a couple that were 197 00:10:58.200 --> 00:11:01.440 personal readings that I did for friends and uh, and 198 00:11:01.480 --> 00:11:04.519 they showed up as well. So there was a young 199 00:11:04.559 --> 00:11:08.759 man who had very severe ADHD and just kind of 200 00:11:08.960 --> 00:11:13.840 couldn't keep on task and and uh and and yeah, 201 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:17.559 so you know there's just uh, I matched something to 202 00:11:17.639 --> 00:11:20.600 every one of the major Arconic cards and uh. But 203 00:11:20.679 --> 00:11:23.000 you but it goes beyond just that one card, because 204 00:11:23.039 --> 00:11:26.200 you'll see the whole process. You'll see the whole reading 205 00:11:27.039 --> 00:11:29.840 and uh, and how I have the reading unfolded and 206 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:34.720 how I interpreted what. You know, sometimes cards don't always 207 00:11:34.799 --> 00:11:38.919 mean what they supposedly mean. Sometimes we look at a 208 00:11:38.960 --> 00:11:42.639 card and we get an entirely different message from what 209 00:11:42.720 --> 00:11:46.039 the books might say. Uh, but that's that's in the 210 00:11:46.120 --> 00:11:49.879 intuitive part that that I cover as well with Tara 211 00:11:50.000 --> 00:11:53.440 Life Lessons, And every chapter has a tip at the 212 00:11:53.519 --> 00:11:57.639 end of it for people who are reading. So, you know, yeah, 213 00:11:57.679 --> 00:12:00.360 so I think it's a it's an you know, people 214 00:12:00.399 --> 00:12:03.399 tell me it's an interesting read even if you know 215 00:12:03.480 --> 00:12:05.320 nothing about Taro, because you get a lot of good 216 00:12:05.320 --> 00:12:09.799 people's stories and amazing stuff. And then if you do 217 00:12:09.960 --> 00:12:12.759 know Taro, it'll give you tips on how to be 218 00:12:13.159 --> 00:12:17.240 maybe a better tarot card reader and or how to 219 00:12:17.919 --> 00:12:20.480 how to trust your intuition and how to step into 220 00:12:20.519 --> 00:12:25.120 it more. Because I'm pretty seasoned doing this for over 221 00:12:25.200 --> 00:12:26.120 forty six years. 222 00:12:27.240 --> 00:12:28.759 Yeah, I was going to ask that, So somebody who 223 00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:31.679 really doesn't know much about Taro, this book wouldn't be 224 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:33.919 like out of their realm to be able to pick up. 225 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:39.679 Now. In fact, a lot of male friends and my 226 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:42.720 husband have read it, you know, who don't have a 227 00:12:42.720 --> 00:12:45.080 tarot deck. You know, they were just kind of interested 228 00:12:45.120 --> 00:12:48.279 in what the hell is it that I do, you know, 229 00:12:48.360 --> 00:12:51.399 and why you know, you know, people sometimes think I'm 230 00:12:51.480 --> 00:12:55.559 conjuring spirits or you know, they kind of liken it 231 00:12:55.600 --> 00:12:58.639 to a weij aboard and I want to dispel all 232 00:12:58.679 --> 00:13:01.840 of that, you know, explain in the book. It's it's 233 00:13:01.879 --> 00:13:05.919 more psychological. It's kind of dream analysis in some ways, 234 00:13:06.039 --> 00:13:09.200 you know, kind of just show people what they already 235 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:12.519 know on their highest level of a consciousness, you know, 236 00:13:12.559 --> 00:13:17.559 bringing it to to the world's consciousness here and uh 237 00:13:17.840 --> 00:13:19.679 and giving them tools. 238 00:13:19.960 --> 00:13:23.679 Really, do anybody want to ask any questions? Before I 239 00:13:23.720 --> 00:13:25.320 start asking more, I just want to ask me. 240 00:13:26.480 --> 00:13:30.120 That's just such a wonderful way to present the archetypes 241 00:13:30.159 --> 00:13:34.840 that unfold out of the cards, if you will, And 242 00:13:34.840 --> 00:13:37.639 and I just I think that's a great way to 243 00:13:38.679 --> 00:13:43.200 almost intuitively learn what is an intuitive practice. So that's 244 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:45.960 that's really awesome. Is there is there something? 245 00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:46.759 Uh? 246 00:13:47.240 --> 00:13:51.320 Is there is there a quality or some some kind 247 00:13:51.320 --> 00:13:56.840 of general philosophy or outlook that you might share that's 248 00:13:56.879 --> 00:14:00.679 not a specific order of operations as far as your 249 00:14:00.919 --> 00:14:03.679 different types of readings, but just something you might impart 250 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:07.000 on those looking to use the donation. 251 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:14.519 Yeah. Yeah, So so there's a lot Taro and a 252 00:14:14.559 --> 00:14:19.720 lot in my personal studies that I may be in 253 00:14:19.840 --> 00:14:24.720 few in my readings. You know, I've been studying Buddhism 254 00:14:25.000 --> 00:14:28.879 for quite a number of years. Uh, also read the Tao, 255 00:14:29.000 --> 00:14:33.120 and I think that some of those teachings and stories 256 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:37.919 come into my readings on occasion. I have a background 257 00:14:37.919 --> 00:14:40.960 in the Episcopal Church, you know, so I have a 258 00:14:41.080 --> 00:14:47.960 traditional Christian background, and and I find the Bible endlessly valuable. 259 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:52.679 Although I may interpret the Bible different from from a fundamentalist. 260 00:14:53.679 --> 00:14:58.120 I see the Bible as a seriously mystical book and 261 00:14:58.480 --> 00:15:01.519 that that you know, might might some people uncomfortable. And 262 00:15:01.559 --> 00:15:05.240 you know, I've been told make some people uncomfortable. I 263 00:15:05.360 --> 00:15:09.799 teach and study a course in miracles, which which I 264 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:14.320 would say is very close to Buddhism, and it's you know, 265 00:15:14.480 --> 00:15:17.080 a course in miracles is kind of Buddhism with a 266 00:15:17.200 --> 00:15:20.240 with a Christian slant, because it's about owning your christ 267 00:15:20.360 --> 00:15:26.360 consciousness and reaching your high Self God Self basically. And 268 00:15:27.440 --> 00:15:30.799 then finally, through the ploth work, I got opened up 269 00:15:30.840 --> 00:15:35.960 to Kabbala. And so I really knew nothing about Kabbala 270 00:15:36.039 --> 00:15:39.120 before the plaoth Work except, uh, you know, i'd heard 271 00:15:39.120 --> 00:15:42.320 the term, and I knew like Madonna and Britney Spears 272 00:15:42.360 --> 00:15:45.519 had like little red bracelets on their wrist, you know, 273 00:15:45.559 --> 00:15:48.360 that had something to do with Kabbala. But I knew 274 00:15:48.399 --> 00:15:53.080 nothing about it, and as I got into the plath work, 275 00:15:53.320 --> 00:15:57.600 that opened me up to understanding that that Kabbala is 276 00:15:57.679 --> 00:16:02.159 this this kind of you know, divine blueprint that all 277 00:16:02.240 --> 00:16:06.200 of the occult systems fit onto, you know, perfectly, and 278 00:16:06.559 --> 00:16:10.480 in the most amazing way, and in truly a divine way. 279 00:16:11.039 --> 00:16:16.679 And and you know, so so mythology, alchemy, you know, 280 00:16:16.759 --> 00:16:20.720 all of these things that I never really explored. Through 281 00:16:20.720 --> 00:16:24.480 the plathwork and through Kabbala, I began to open up 282 00:16:24.480 --> 00:16:30.320 into those directions. And of course the tarot embodies all 283 00:16:30.360 --> 00:16:34.519 of that. You know, the tarot has an alchemical reading 284 00:16:34.639 --> 00:16:39.480 to each card, an astrological reading to each card, you know, 285 00:16:39.559 --> 00:16:42.799 the hermetic order of the Golden Dawn of course made 286 00:16:42.840 --> 00:16:48.360 our modern tarot deck today that the writer weight, and 287 00:16:48.360 --> 00:16:53.320 and so all of that infuses my readings because I 288 00:16:53.360 --> 00:16:57.440 will look at a card and you know, it'll mean, 289 00:16:58.120 --> 00:17:01.519 It'll mean a lot more than just what the what 290 00:17:01.600 --> 00:17:05.720 the books would say. You know, I take it deeper, 291 00:17:05.759 --> 00:17:10.480 and I add lessons and kind of build into I 292 00:17:10.519 --> 00:17:13.519 try to give my clients tools so that they can 293 00:17:13.559 --> 00:17:16.720 take away some guidance and not just have a fortune 294 00:17:16.759 --> 00:17:18.000 telling episode. 295 00:17:18.079 --> 00:17:20.880 You know, Yeah, I was gonna ask, and again you 296 00:17:20.960 --> 00:17:23.960 beat me too, and I ask about incorporating the kabbala, 297 00:17:24.279 --> 00:17:26.480 I would just assume when you do that kind of 298 00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:29.160 From my opinion, I think it helped me obviously when 299 00:17:29.160 --> 00:17:31.440 I started playing with Taro. But I could see you 300 00:17:31.480 --> 00:17:34.079 being able to maybe get much more of a life 301 00:17:34.119 --> 00:17:36.519 lessons of stories when you can kind of incorporate what's 302 00:17:36.519 --> 00:17:39.599 going on in the cabala with where the card fools. 303 00:17:40.599 --> 00:17:42.079 I think it just gives out a much more deeper 304 00:17:42.119 --> 00:17:45.039 ritually understanding and story behind the art. 305 00:17:46.519 --> 00:17:46.960 I love that. 306 00:17:49.119 --> 00:17:53.119 Was there anything that you saw popping up like over 307 00:17:53.160 --> 00:17:55.160 and over again that like made you think about like 308 00:17:55.200 --> 00:17:57.359 even doing this, you know, writing this? 309 00:17:58.799 --> 00:18:00.519 I guess was there a certain life and that you 310 00:18:00.880 --> 00:18:02.880 really you know kind this? 311 00:18:03.839 --> 00:18:10.480 Yeah? I so. So. I really just had my journals, 312 00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:14.680 which you know, were not all tarot recordings that lot, 313 00:18:14.759 --> 00:18:19.319 you know, personal stuff whatever. During I had shared to 314 00:18:19.400 --> 00:18:24.400 my with my husband during COVID that I had done 315 00:18:24.440 --> 00:18:26.400 all of you know, that I'd been recording some of 316 00:18:26.440 --> 00:18:28.759 these and and and I would tell him some of 317 00:18:28.759 --> 00:18:31.200 these stories, you know, I would come home and I'm like, God, 318 00:18:31.240 --> 00:18:34.079 you wouldn't believe this party and people sat in front 319 00:18:34.079 --> 00:18:37.039 of me, and this happened, and this happened, and he 320 00:18:37.240 --> 00:18:40.519 was always saying, you need to write this down, and 321 00:18:41.359 --> 00:18:43.880 sometimes I would, and sometimes I would plan to write 322 00:18:43.920 --> 00:18:47.200 it later. And anyway, during COVID, you know, we all 323 00:18:47.240 --> 00:18:51.880 had our downtime, and I said to Tom, yeah, you know, 324 00:18:51.920 --> 00:18:55.000 maybe i'll put maybe I'll go through my journals and 325 00:18:55.079 --> 00:18:59.000 assemb all something. And so I put it in this 326 00:18:59.039 --> 00:19:02.160 book form, and I decided, well, it would be fun 327 00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:04.799 to tell my story upfront. As the fool kind of 328 00:19:04.799 --> 00:19:07.880 play with that a little bit, just sort of falling 329 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:10.119 into it, because of course I never set out to 330 00:19:10.160 --> 00:19:13.279 be a professional tarot card reader, and you know, if 331 00:19:13.359 --> 00:19:16.359 anyone had, you know, like, why would somebody choose a 332 00:19:16.400 --> 00:19:20.119 career that gets you virtually no respect out in the world, 333 00:19:20.359 --> 00:19:24.480 you know, and you know, and challenged in academia and 334 00:19:24.480 --> 00:19:27.519 all of that stuff. But yeah, so somehow, somehow, it 335 00:19:27.559 --> 00:19:29.759 all just evolved and happened, and so I thought it 336 00:19:29.759 --> 00:19:33.599 would be fun to tell my story up front, and 337 00:19:34.440 --> 00:19:37.240 because everyone asks me, like, how do you become a 338 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:41.759 professional tarot card reader? You know, And so I did that. 339 00:19:42.480 --> 00:19:46.119 And interestingly, so I just had this book sort of 340 00:19:46.160 --> 00:19:50.359 put together, and I hadn't really planned even to send 341 00:19:50.400 --> 00:19:53.559 it out, but in you know, they say when we're 342 00:19:53.559 --> 00:19:58.319 in flow, when we're in synchronicity, everything on folds. And 343 00:19:59.039 --> 00:20:03.799 I got a a fan letter over on Instagram for 344 00:20:03.920 --> 00:20:07.960 my Sylvia Plath work, and this woman wrote me and 345 00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:11.319 she said, I've read your first three books and I'm 346 00:20:11.519 --> 00:20:15.400 fascinated by what you're doing, and do you have anything 347 00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:18.480 else coming out on Plath? And I said, well, it's 348 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:21.680 interesting that you mentioned this because I spent the last 349 00:20:21.720 --> 00:20:27.759 fifteen years working on this biography on Plat's mysticism, but 350 00:20:28.160 --> 00:20:31.039 I wasn't finding a publisher for it, and I just 351 00:20:31.119 --> 00:20:33.519 kind of put it away and I wrote this other book, 352 00:20:33.839 --> 00:20:37.400 you know, just for fun. And she said, I want 353 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:41.680 to introduce you to my friends over at Inner Traditions, 354 00:20:41.720 --> 00:20:45.319 and long story short, she gave me the introduction to 355 00:20:45.359 --> 00:20:50.880 the editor and they snatched up both books, and so 356 00:20:51.160 --> 00:20:54.880 Tarot Life Lessons came out first in twenty twenty three 357 00:20:55.519 --> 00:20:57.880 and the Occult Sylvia Plath came out in May of 358 00:20:57.920 --> 00:21:02.759 twenty twenty four. And what a gift. I mean, it 359 00:21:02.920 --> 00:21:06.440 just felt like very in synct you know, I didn't 360 00:21:06.440 --> 00:21:10.839 even try, and and that's a god thing when when 361 00:21:10.839 --> 00:21:13.400 it just done folds like that, and and they've been 362 00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:16.960 a wonderful publisher too. Just couldn't be happier with in 363 00:21:17.000 --> 00:21:20.480 our traditions, which on my books as Destiny Books, that's 364 00:21:20.519 --> 00:21:22.559 the imprint of inner traditions. 365 00:21:22.960 --> 00:21:24.400 I've had so many of their authors on if I 366 00:21:24.359 --> 00:21:26.039 ever go to publish a book, they've had a publisher 367 00:21:26.039 --> 00:21:26.359 for me. 368 00:21:29.079 --> 00:21:33.279 I canna tell them that. No, No, they. 369 00:21:32.559 --> 00:21:34.279 Feed me so many people on their old grades, so 370 00:21:34.519 --> 00:21:37.119 I appreciate it. No, it's ah some place for. 371 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:37.799 Me to deal with. 372 00:21:38.759 --> 00:21:42.119 So another thing I did want to ask, I guess, 373 00:21:42.160 --> 00:21:46.599 like after after doing this book, well while doing it, 374 00:21:46.680 --> 00:21:48.839 or like putting it together, did you ever kind of 375 00:21:48.839 --> 00:21:50.759 look at any of the major arcana a little bit 376 00:21:50.759 --> 00:21:54.000 differently now from looking at like maybe a string of 377 00:21:54.720 --> 00:21:56.640 seeing it maybe show up differently in the stories and 378 00:21:56.680 --> 00:21:58.359 now you're like, hmm, this is a little weird or 379 00:21:58.440 --> 00:21:58.960 different for you. 380 00:21:59.160 --> 00:21:59.519 Interesting. 381 00:21:59.640 --> 00:22:02.680 You know, I have been doing I have been reading 382 00:22:02.759 --> 00:22:07.559 Taro for so many years that I may look at 383 00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:11.039 a card and the story might kind of jump in 384 00:22:11.119 --> 00:22:14.680 my head for a moment. But when I'm reading, I'm 385 00:22:14.799 --> 00:22:17.839 very connected to who I'm reading for, so it'll be 386 00:22:18.160 --> 00:22:24.000 their story, not necessarily mine. And so no, I wouldn't 387 00:22:24.039 --> 00:22:28.640 say that the book has changed my perception of the cards. 388 00:22:29.359 --> 00:22:34.359 You know, when we're reading, we're we're channeling. Basically, we're 389 00:22:34.519 --> 00:22:38.000 very connected to that person and you know, and what 390 00:22:38.079 --> 00:22:41.759 they most need and I'm asking spirit to tell me 391 00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:46.799 what they need to see here, and you know, and 392 00:22:46.839 --> 00:22:49.359 I do love the cards because they're so visual and 393 00:22:50.000 --> 00:22:52.680 I can share that. And sometimes sometimes I won't know 394 00:22:53.240 --> 00:22:56.920 what I'm seeing, but I'll hold it up and they'll know, 395 00:22:57.400 --> 00:22:59.640 you know, they'll be like, oh my gosh, yes, of 396 00:22:59.680 --> 00:23:02.480 course that makes perfect sense to me. Sometimes my clients 397 00:23:02.480 --> 00:23:05.000 don't explain to me what it means. It might be 398 00:23:05.039 --> 00:23:09.240 too personal. I've had that happen where I've I've said 399 00:23:09.279 --> 00:23:12.160 some words that I'm not even sure of what I'm speaking, 400 00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:16.400 and they are reduced to tears or something. But they 401 00:23:16.400 --> 00:23:19.640