WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:03.359 And it seems like what's going on is a new 2 00:00:03.560 --> 00:00:07.599 one world religion, and in fact they're openly wanting to 3 00:00:07.599 --> 00:00:09.800 build structures promoting this concept. 4 00:00:10.320 --> 00:00:13.759 In Hinduism, people explore the divine mystery and express it. 5 00:00:14.000 --> 00:00:17.359 They seek release from the trials of the present day 6 00:00:17.800 --> 00:00:21.640 and the aesthetical practices profound meditation, and they have recourse 7 00:00:21.719 --> 00:00:27.000 to God. Capital g Adica is literally saying that Capital 8 00:00:27.039 --> 00:00:30.120 g the God of Hinduism, is the God that we 9 00:00:30.199 --> 00:00:30.960 all worship. 10 00:00:38.960 --> 00:00:52.399 The hell, before we even get into the evils that 11 00:00:52.759 --> 00:00:55.719 we want to address, you want to, you know, give 12 00:00:55.759 --> 00:00:58.439 insights to people of what we're not saying that we 13 00:00:58.479 --> 00:01:02.399 do recognize the unification of the original Church, that we 14 00:01:02.439 --> 00:01:06.680 do recognize quote unquote Catholic saints, certain ones aligned with Orthodoxy, 15 00:01:06.719 --> 00:01:10.640 And just before we even dive into any of the topics, what. 16 00:01:12.519 --> 00:01:14.959 You want to. 17 00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:16.680 Share with people, like where we're going, where we're not going. 18 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:21.359 Yeah, that's a great idea. I think that, you know, 19 00:01:21.560 --> 00:01:23.760 a lot of the debates, a lot of the apologetics 20 00:01:23.799 --> 00:01:26.640 in the last few years has got a little nasty 21 00:01:26.719 --> 00:01:28.760 because Roman Catholics are angry at a lot of the 22 00:01:28.760 --> 00:01:30.680 stuff that we do. You know, we've seen so many 23 00:01:30.719 --> 00:01:34.560 people convert from Rome Catholicism to Orthodoxy. So so there's 24 00:01:34.599 --> 00:01:39.239 some sour grapes, some lemons there in terms of attitudes. 25 00:01:39.319 --> 00:01:42.560 But you know, from my vantage point, I don't have 26 00:01:42.640 --> 00:01:46.599 any personal hatred towards Roman Catholicism. I don't hate the 27 00:01:46.680 --> 00:01:51.159 Roman Catholic Church or anything like that. I opposed the 28 00:01:51.200 --> 00:01:54.000 system and particularly you know, the head of that system 29 00:01:54.200 --> 00:01:57.879 and how he is steering that that entity. And so 30 00:01:58.040 --> 00:02:00.640 really it does come from a position of concern and 31 00:02:00.680 --> 00:02:03.760 love and care for Roman Catholics. We want them to 32 00:02:03.840 --> 00:02:07.680 be united with us, but we can't have a false union. 33 00:02:07.760 --> 00:02:12.080 And so the only path to real union and restoration 34 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:15.240 I think has to come through truth. Right, you can't 35 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:18.240 have unity without truth, and you can't have truth without unity. 36 00:02:18.280 --> 00:02:20.360 They kind of go together, so they're not either ores. 37 00:02:21.039 --> 00:02:24.560 And you know that, as you said, we do share 38 00:02:25.280 --> 00:02:28.560 commonality the first thousand years of the church, roughly speaking, 39 00:02:28.599 --> 00:02:32.080 where certainly we would acknowledge many holy popes of Rome, 40 00:02:32.199 --> 00:02:35.400 many saints that are popes of Rome. You know, Saint Leo, 41 00:02:35.719 --> 00:02:40.080 the great defender of the you know, to natures in 42 00:02:40.159 --> 00:02:43.560 Christ with his tone at Chalcedon, and of course many 43 00:02:43.599 --> 00:02:48.280 other saints of Rome, so there's nothing inherently wrong with 44 00:02:48.800 --> 00:02:52.280 apostolic succession or the Apostolic See of Rome or anything 45 00:02:52.360 --> 00:02:55.800 like that. But obviously, as everybody knows, I think in 46 00:02:55.840 --> 00:02:58.719 this audience, the divergence comes after about a first you know, 47 00:02:58.759 --> 00:03:01.400 forst thousand years, and there's already seeds of the split 48 00:03:01.479 --> 00:03:04.560 between the East and the West prior to you know, 49 00:03:04.560 --> 00:03:08.199 ten fifty four, but the beginning of the split is 50 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:10.560 really in the late eight hundreds nine hundreds, and then 51 00:03:10.560 --> 00:03:13.439 it kind of comes to full fruition in my view, 52 00:03:14.120 --> 00:03:16.960 in twelve seventy four the Council of Lions and then 53 00:03:17.599 --> 00:03:21.000 successively later at the Council of Florence, because after the 54 00:03:21.039 --> 00:03:23.199 Council of Lions in twelve twenty four in the West 55 00:03:23.240 --> 00:03:26.400 you have the full on acceptance of the Phillyoaquay in 56 00:03:26.439 --> 00:03:29.560 the sense of a double hypostatic procession, and then you 57 00:03:29.599 --> 00:03:32.800 get the response of the Orthodox, which are the Palomite Synods, 58 00:03:32.840 --> 00:03:36.919 to explicitly reject that. And those have been received universally 59 00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:39.639 throughout the whole world of Orthodoxy. They're part of the 60 00:03:39.800 --> 00:03:44.159 Lenton Liturgy we affirmed, and the teaching and affirmation of 61 00:03:44.159 --> 00:03:47.080 the Palomite Synods and Saint Gregory Palomas. So we know 62 00:03:47.199 --> 00:03:50.080 that we can't accept the philly Oquid doctrine given the 63 00:03:50.080 --> 00:03:53.800 fact that the Palomite Synods reject it, and they reject 64 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:56.639 it very clearly, say Grey Palmas has a whole work 65 00:03:56.680 --> 00:04:00.639 that Father heres has recently translated into English English called 66 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:03.759 the Apedictic Treatise on the Holy Spirit, which really quells 67 00:04:03.840 --> 00:04:07.280 gets rid of any notions of there being a reconciliation 68 00:04:07.520 --> 00:04:10.360 in the sense of, oh, it was just a dispute 69 00:04:10.400 --> 00:04:13.159 over words, and we all mean the same thing. No, 70 00:04:13.280 --> 00:04:15.439 we don't, I mean. And Saint Gregor Palm has been 71 00:04:15.479 --> 00:04:18.160 a very clear in the Apdictive Treatise on the Holy 72 00:04:18.199 --> 00:04:21.920 Spirit that the Latin Church is following Satan. There they're Satanic, 73 00:04:22.480 --> 00:04:23.959 and he was saying that all the way back then. 74 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:26.839 And he also said similar things to Barleum in the 75 00:04:28.120 --> 00:04:31.560 Triads and in the debate with the barleym might I 76 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:35.040 can dinos that if you follow this course, you will 77 00:04:35.120 --> 00:04:38.240 lead your church and your group into atheism. And that's 78 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:41.560 precisely what we've seen the West do ideologically, is go 79 00:04:41.639 --> 00:04:45.040 down the course of the track of atheism. So long 80 00:04:45.079 --> 00:04:49.480 story short, you know, there's nothing we're not saying everything 81 00:04:49.519 --> 00:04:51.720 that you believe is false or that you're evil because 82 00:04:51.720 --> 00:04:55.279 you're Roman Catholic, that the system is wrong, and that's 83 00:04:55.319 --> 00:04:57.639 what you know, I really like to get into and 84 00:04:57.680 --> 00:05:01.040 focus on is the systematics and how the systems don't work. 85 00:05:01.279 --> 00:05:03.639 And when you have bad systems, what happens is that 86 00:05:03.680 --> 00:05:09.879 they produce bad results, and they can produce civilizationally catastrophic results. 87 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:11.839 And that's what's happened in the West. 88 00:05:12.560 --> 00:05:15.319 Yeah, and as Orthodox, I mean, we can point to 89 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:18.199 my favorite church father, Saint Maximus the Confessor and how 90 00:05:18.199 --> 00:05:20.959 he had to appeal to Rome during the time that 91 00:05:21.040 --> 00:05:23.720 he was living because of the controversies of what was 92 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:25.600 going on in the East, and it was actually the 93 00:05:25.639 --> 00:05:26.600 West that aided. 94 00:05:26.839 --> 00:05:28.600 But again, this is pre schism. 95 00:05:28.639 --> 00:05:31.759 This is before the establishment of the papacy, and where 96 00:05:31.759 --> 00:05:35.160 we really see the split of the One Holy Orthodox 97 00:05:35.240 --> 00:05:41.839 Catholic Church into the papacy again, unleavened bred Eucharist, the 98 00:05:41.839 --> 00:05:44.680 Holy Roman Empire, the alliance with Charlemagne, all this different 99 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:47.680 stuff where it seems like the things get way more 100 00:05:47.680 --> 00:05:53.000 political than theological as history goes on. So thank you 101 00:05:53.040 --> 00:05:56.399 for beginning there. Now, privately we kind of went back 102 00:05:56.439 --> 00:05:59.040 and forth and you shared with me a news clip 103 00:05:59.519 --> 00:06:05.000 about Pope Francis's new alliance with the Islamic world and 104 00:06:05.120 --> 00:06:08.600 this in this new what Abrahamic religious center, and it 105 00:06:08.680 --> 00:06:13.079 seems like with what's going on post Koufid is a 106 00:06:13.160 --> 00:06:17.519 new one world religion, and in fact they're openly wanting 107 00:06:17.560 --> 00:06:22.199 to build structures promoting this concept. I would love for 108 00:06:22.240 --> 00:06:25.040 you because I feel like this is really a central 109 00:06:25.160 --> 00:06:27.519 point when we look at the evils of the Vatican, 110 00:06:27.600 --> 00:06:29.040 because we're going to go through a lot of them, 111 00:06:29.040 --> 00:06:32.639 but the new one World religion hints at a lot 112 00:06:32.720 --> 00:06:42.160 of the preference for unity over multiplicity, ecumenicism, globalism, alliance 113 00:06:42.199 --> 00:06:44.240 with what it seems to be the sort of technological 114 00:06:44.279 --> 00:06:48.839 one world government that the Pope Francis seems totally in 115 00:06:48.920 --> 00:06:54.199 step with. And so can you dive into the Vatican 116 00:06:54.759 --> 00:06:57.959 the Pope, how long has this process actually been moving 117 00:06:57.959 --> 00:07:00.639 in this this attempt for the Vatican and to really 118 00:07:00.639 --> 00:07:02.680 be the sort of figurehead. It seems like it seems 119 00:07:02.720 --> 00:07:06.439 like the Pope the new religious leader of the new 120 00:07:06.560 --> 00:07:07.519 one world religion. 121 00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:12.160 I think that's definitely where it could go. And I 122 00:07:12.199 --> 00:07:15.120 think that there seemed to be some pretty clear indications 123 00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:18.519 that Etis would certainly like to be in that role 124 00:07:19.519 --> 00:07:23.079 we saw. I mean in terms of I think clear 125 00:07:23.160 --> 00:07:28.639 indicators of this idea in the dogmatic decrees and definitions 126 00:07:28.680 --> 00:07:31.720 of Vatican two, and they are dogmatic, despite however many 127 00:07:31.800 --> 00:07:33.639 Roman Catholics want to say they don't have to accept 128 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:39.199 Batican two. It was affirm with full papal authority, it's 129 00:07:39.319 --> 00:07:41.199 from the chair, and it deals with faith and morals. 130 00:07:41.199 --> 00:07:44.079 That's really all that's needed to be under the status 131 00:07:44.079 --> 00:07:47.879 of dogmatic declaration for a Roman Catholic. And in fact, 132 00:07:47.959 --> 00:07:49.879 I have a whole video where I go through four 133 00:07:49.959 --> 00:07:54.839 separate documents from the papacy actually affirming and making it 134 00:07:54.959 --> 00:07:57.600 very clear that Vatican two is dogmatic. You do have 135 00:07:57.680 --> 00:08:00.439 to accept. There's not an optional council for Roman Catholic 136 00:08:01.040 --> 00:08:03.959 and there's there's at least four places in other Roman 137 00:08:04.000 --> 00:08:08.079 Catholic dogmatic papal statements that affirm that. So we get 138 00:08:08.120 --> 00:08:10.079 if we get that out of the way, then we 139 00:08:10.120 --> 00:08:13.040 can come to documents like Atata. I don't know if 140 00:08:13.040 --> 00:08:14.560 you're familiar with this, but this is one of the 141 00:08:14.560 --> 00:08:19.480 more famous Vatican two documents, and it's the October twenty eighth, 142 00:08:19.720 --> 00:08:24.639 nineteen sixty five document. It's about five pages, six pages. 143 00:08:24.639 --> 00:08:27.439 It's not that long. Are you familiar with this? 144 00:08:27.639 --> 00:08:29.800 No? I'm not too familiar, can you? You know? 145 00:08:29.879 --> 00:08:32.159 So everybody should be familiar with this, and everybody should 146 00:08:32.159 --> 00:08:34.399 read it because it's not very long. And I think 147 00:08:34.480 --> 00:08:37.039 what you'll notice is kind of the point that we're 148 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:40.720 getting at here, which is that this idea of generic theism, 149 00:08:40.799 --> 00:08:44.759 that there's a generic, universal idea of just some God 150 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:48.639 that everybody agrees on, and that therefore we can find 151 00:08:49.320 --> 00:08:53.559 paths to unity from that is really what undergirds the 152 00:08:53.679 --> 00:08:57.360 very thing that we're looking at with this House of 153 00:08:57.559 --> 00:08:59.440 the Faith of Abraham or whatever it is. And I 154 00:08:59.440 --> 00:09:02.759 sent you a link there. There's another there's another proposed 155 00:09:02.879 --> 00:09:05.600 version of this over in Germany. Somebody is saying too 156 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:09.480 that there's a there's proposed versions of this over in 157 00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:12.559 the United Arab Emirates. And the idea is that, well, 158 00:09:12.559 --> 00:09:15.559 we're going to just get together under a common banner, 159 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:19.919 not of the accidents, but the essentials. Right, So this 160 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:24.600 applying the Resitilian distinction of essence and accidents to this 161 00:09:24.759 --> 00:09:27.840 idea that well, don't we all believe in one God? 162 00:09:27.919 --> 00:09:29.440 And if we all believe in one God, that we're 163 00:09:29.440 --> 00:09:31.080 all on the same page, at least as far as 164 00:09:31.080 --> 00:09:33.440 that goes. And then we can just consider the other 165 00:09:33.480 --> 00:09:36.879 stuff like Jesus and Trinity and resurrec virgin birth. Maybe 166 00:09:36.879 --> 00:09:39.279 those are all just kind of like add ons, and 167 00:09:39.279 --> 00:09:44.039 they're not the essentials. And this lowest common denominator fallacy 168 00:09:44.159 --> 00:09:48.399 just keeps getting whittled down right to where ironically, at 169 00:09:48.639 --> 00:09:51.720 Vatican two and Nostra Tat it says, I'm going to 170 00:09:51.759 --> 00:09:54.399 read it. It says, throughout the long history to the 171 00:09:54.440 --> 00:09:57.600 present day, there's found amongst different peoples a certain awareness 172 00:09:57.720 --> 00:10:00.799 of some hidden power which lies behind the course of 173 00:10:00.919 --> 00:10:03.799 nature and the events of human life. At times there 174 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:08.080 is present even a recognition of a supreme being, perhaps 175 00:10:08.080 --> 00:10:12.639 a father. This awareness and recognition results in a way 176 00:10:12.679 --> 00:10:15.879 of life that is imbued with a deep religious sense. 177 00:10:16.159 --> 00:10:20.320 The religions that are found in more advanced civilizations endeavor 178 00:10:20.559 --> 00:10:25.200 by a way by way of well defined concepts and 179 00:10:25.360 --> 00:10:32.240 exact language to answer these questions. Thus Hinduism Hinduism. In Hinduism, 180 00:10:32.320 --> 00:10:36.279 people explore the divine mystery and express it in limitless 181 00:10:36.480 --> 00:10:40.320 niches ahime me riches of myth, and the accurately defined 182 00:10:40.360 --> 00:10:45.039 insights of philosophy. They seek release from the trials of 183 00:10:45.080 --> 00:10:49.200 the present day and the ascetical practices profound meditation, and 184 00:10:49.240 --> 00:10:54.639 they have recourse to God capital G in confidence and love. 185 00:10:56.279 --> 00:11:00.879 So they're literally said, is literally saying that G, the 186 00:11:00.960 --> 00:11:04.639 God of Hinduism, is the God that we all worship. 187 00:11:04.840 --> 00:11:07.759 Because they're believing in a god, there's some supreme God, 188 00:11:07.799 --> 00:11:10.559 a supreme being. And so the iron here is that 189 00:11:10.720 --> 00:11:14.559 so this is equivalent to me equating as long as 190 00:11:14.600 --> 00:11:18.120 I say it's a supreme being, which in linguistic philosophy 191 00:11:18.159 --> 00:11:21.279 we call that a non rigid designator. There's a paper 192 00:11:21.320 --> 00:11:23.960 that Father Diacon and I covered by a doctor Garibee, 193 00:11:24.440 --> 00:11:27.559 which is actually critiquing this notion of generic theism, or 194 00:11:27.600 --> 00:11:31.480 the idea that just because all the monotheistic religions affirm 195 00:11:31.559 --> 00:11:33.440 a God, that they're affirming the same God. Well, that's 196 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:38.320 actually a fallacy, and it's it's known as the quantification 197 00:11:38.519 --> 00:11:41.519 shift fallacy. And the reason it's a fallacy is because 198 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:45.559 it should be obvious that because we're all affirming one, 199 00:11:45.960 --> 00:11:49.000 it doesn't equate to the fact that it's the identical 200 00:11:49.039 --> 00:11:51.679 one that we're all affirming. Right, I mean, I could 201 00:11:51.720 --> 00:11:54.720 say there's one God. Another guy down the road could say, oh, 202 00:11:54.759 --> 00:11:56.320 there is one God. I agree with you, but he 203 00:11:56.440 --> 00:11:59.799 means Satan, right, I'm certain. Maybe maybe he attends that 204 00:11:59.840 --> 00:12:04.159 the the temple of set Church or or the sat 205 00:12:04.279 --> 00:12:08.080 what's the new thing that's they've got the abortion ritual 206 00:12:08.120 --> 00:12:11.360 that they're talking about. The Oh is it the church 207 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:14.799 Satanic Satanic Temple? Yeah, the Satanic Temple, that's it. Yeah. 208 00:12:14.840 --> 00:12:17.840 Maybe he believes that it's Lucifer, that's the one God. 209 00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:20.080 But does it follow from the fact that we all 210 00:12:20.120 --> 00:12:23.720 believe in one God that it's the same God. No, No, 211 00:12:23.840 --> 00:12:27.519 And that's what's known as the quantifier shift fallacy. Other 212 00:12:27.639 --> 00:12:30.120 examples of this and logic would be situations where we 213 00:12:30.159 --> 00:12:37.240 say something like every woman, uh, every girl loves a boy, 214 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:42.840 therefore every girl loves the same boy. Right, Right, everyone 215 00:12:42.960 --> 00:12:46.320 is born of a woman, therefore everyone is born of 216 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:52.559 the same woman. Right. They're obvious fallacies. All of these 217 00:12:52.600 --> 00:12:55.200 religions believe in one God, therefore they believe in the 218 00:12:55.240 --> 00:12:58.440 same God. Now, when we come to, you know, something 219 00:12:58.480 --> 00:13:02.159 like the New Testament, what's perhaps an example of a 220 00:13:02.159 --> 00:13:05.279 religion that's very close to you know, some of the 221 00:13:05.279 --> 00:13:07.639 things that we we would affirm. Maybe they even have 222 00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:11.200 a lot of the books shared with us. Let's say Judaism. 223 00:13:12.399 --> 00:13:16.600 Judaism affirms that Father. Does Jesus say that just affirming 224 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:20.679 the Father is enough? No? No, he says that no 225 00:13:20.720 --> 00:13:23.440 one comes to the Father but through me. Because the 226 00:13:23.480 --> 00:13:26.840 word father. If God's eternally a father, according to Saint Anthonatius, 227 00:13:26.879 --> 00:13:30.159 he's eternally the father of an eternal son. So the 228 00:13:30.200 --> 00:13:35.759 word father necessitates and implies the son. So I'm no 229 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:40.240 more joined with that religion than I am with an 230 00:13:40.240 --> 00:13:44.519 Arian or Joba's witness right, I mean, Jee's witnesses said 231 00:13:44.519 --> 00:13:47.159 there's one God, So are we all on the same team? Well, 232 00:13:47.360 --> 00:13:49.440 the same Basil didn't think so. I mean, he wrote 233 00:13:49.679 --> 00:13:53.440 gigantic treatises and like spent his whole life combating the 234 00:13:54.440 --> 00:13:57.240 idea that we're all of the same faith. Right, And 235 00:13:57.279 --> 00:13:59.879 in fact, if you look at the Niceno constant Apology Creed, 236 00:14:00.600 --> 00:14:04.120 it designates the One God as the Father of our 237 00:14:04.159 --> 00:14:09.519 Lord Jesus Christ, and that implies, by necessary implication, the 238 00:14:09.559 --> 00:14:13.200 Son and the Spirit. As the Cappadocians famously said, I 239 00:14:13.240 --> 00:14:16.320 can no longer think of the One being the essence 240 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:18.960 of God or the person of the Father, as I 241 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:22.240 am quickly bound over to think of the three, and 242 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:24.360 I can no longer think of the three without quickly 243 00:14:24.399 --> 00:14:26.519 being referred back to the one. So there's an equal 244 00:14:26.600 --> 00:14:29.639 ultimacy of the one and the many in the trinity. 245 00:14:30.159 --> 00:14:32.480 So there's no such thing as kind of picking out 246 00:14:32.600 --> 00:14:37.399 because of there being commonalities that there's therefore one lowest 247 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:41.360 common denominator religion. And if you read the Garibie paper, 248 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:43.879 he points out that if there's a lowest common denominator 249 00:14:43.960 --> 00:14:47.879 religion that is just the commonalities in these various so 250 00:14:47.919 --> 00:14:51.559 called monotheistic faiths or Abrahamic faiths, then that's actually a 251 00:14:51.639 --> 00:14:56.279 third other religion, right, that's not the other three you see, 252 00:14:56.919 --> 00:14:58.879 And that's all you can. You can prove that logically 253 00:14:58.919 --> 00:15:03.559 by a conjunct where you put, for example, in parentheses 254 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:06.399 and logic you could say, we're gonna list, let's say, 255 00:15:06.440 --> 00:15:11.200 the beliefs of Orthodox Christianity that make Orthodoxy Orthodoxy, right, 256 00:15:11.240 --> 00:15:13.720 so that would be A would be the Trinity, B, 257 00:15:13.919 --> 00:15:18.480 Virgin Birth, C, you know, incarnation, D, Resurrection. Right, Let's 258 00:15:18.480 --> 00:15:21.399 say all of the beliefs that are necessary components of 259 00:15:21.759 --> 00:15:24.360 Orthodox Christianity. They're in these parentheses A, A, B, C, 260 00:15:24.519 --> 00:15:28.679 D Z. Right, if we take out Oh but wait 261 00:15:28.679 --> 00:15:31.399 a minute, one of those beliefs is that God's on mission, 262 00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:35.480 so maybe that's you know, G. Well, Jews and Muscles 263 00:15:35.519 --> 00:15:38.960 believe that God's on thisce, so they believe G. Right. 264 00:15:40.039 --> 00:15:43.440 But is G the same as the set that's up 265 00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:46.799 here in the parentheses. No, no, it's not. And even 266 00:15:46.879 --> 00:15:51.159 if I take elements out commonalities, it's not this set 267 00:15:51.559 --> 00:15:55.039 because this set is everything in totality. It's a total set. 268 00:15:55.440 --> 00:15:58.240 It's in the parentheses. And this is just logic showing 269 00:15:58.279 --> 00:16:02.799 that there's no such thing as a core religion that 270 00:16:02.960 --> 00:16:06.879 is the core of these three monotheistic abrahemit face. It's 271 00:16:06.879 --> 00:16:09.519 it's a simple it's a simple way in logic, in 272 00:16:09.600 --> 00:16:12.799 linguistic philosophy to show that this set is not this 273 00:16:12.919 --> 00:16:16.480 set merely because there's common things. Another point, too, is 274 00:16:16.519 --> 00:16:18.399 that he makes in the Garby paper and makes some 275 00:16:18.440 --> 00:16:22.840 really great examples or analogies to a card games. If 276 00:16:22.879 --> 00:16:26.919 I'm playing poker and then I'm playing, you know, crazy eights, 277 00:16:27.720 --> 00:16:30.919 does the fact that Poker and Crazy Eights use cards 278 00:16:31.279 --> 00:16:34.440 mean they're playing a same game the same game? No? 279 00:16:35.399 --> 00:16:38.480 Does the fact that there's cards and rules involved, mean 280 00:16:38.480 --> 00:16:43.080 that there's actually a common core game that's neither poker 281 00:16:43.159 --> 00:16:47.399 nor Crazy Eights. No, of course not, it's this nonsense, right. 282 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:49.639 So in other words, the set of beliefs is going 283 00:16:49.720 --> 00:16:52.240 to determine the reference in the set. And that's why 284 00:16:52.279 --> 00:16:55.639 it's a holistic it's a whole systemic thing. And so 285 00:16:55.720 --> 00:17:01.320 the word God is in linguistic philosophy, it's known as 286 00:17:01.360 --> 00:17:04.000 a non rigid designator. And what we mean by that 287 00:17:04.119 --> 00:17:06.920 is that it's not a a personal pronoun. It doesn't 288 00:17:06.960 --> 00:17:10.240 pick out anything specific. Even in scripture, the word God 289 00:17:10.359 --> 00:17:14.200 just little case God. It could refer to the person 290 00:17:14.240 --> 00:17:16.839 of the Father. It could refer to the whole Trinity. 291 00:17:17.160 --> 00:17:19.799 It could refer to divine actions or attributes with the 292 00:17:19.839 --> 00:17:24.400 divine essence. It can refer to angels. Angels are called gods, Elohim, 293 00:17:24.519 --> 00:17:27.440 sons of God. It could refer to humans. I will 294 00:17:27.440 --> 00:17:30.480 make you as a god to Pharaoh, right, God says 295 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:33.559 to Moses. And it could refer to us in deification. 296 00:17:34.160 --> 00:17:37.880 It could refer to demons, right, the gods of the nations. 297 00:17:38.440 --> 00:17:41.079 So the point here is that it's abatance witch the 298 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:44.680 fact that the other religions use the word God or 299 00:17:44.720 --> 00:17:49.119 the word monotheism, or the word you know, whatever that's 300 00:17:49.160 --> 00:17:51.680 in common. We believe in an omniscient God. You believe 301 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:54.000 in omnient God. So it's the same God. No, it's not, 302 00:17:54.519 --> 00:17:56.759 because the rest of the set of beliefs about our 303 00:17:56.799 --> 00:18:00.160 God is just as necessary as any single member of 304 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:03.799 the set right. The Father is just as necessary as 305 00:18:03.799 --> 00:18:07.279 Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit is just as necessary as son, 306 00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:11.640 as as omniscience. You can't start just subtracting from them. 307 00:18:11.920 --> 00:18:14.279 And there's no argument to be made for some of 308 00:18:14.319 --> 00:18:17.000 God's attributes being more self evident than the others. They 309 00:18:17.000 --> 00:18:20.400 all go together. It's holistic. You don't like, learn the 310 00:18:20.519 --> 00:18:23.400 essence of God and then down the road like Tomism says, 311 00:18:23.400 --> 00:18:27.119 we'll tack on trinity, we'll tack on virgin birth. No, 312 00:18:27.400 --> 00:18:29.920 it all goes together, right, it's a set right. 313 00:18:30.559 --> 00:18:32.680 Just based on what you said, this idea, the sort 314 00:18:32.680 --> 00:18:36.599 of manipulation or the word concept fallacy, it almost feels 315 00:18:36.599 --> 00:18:41.039 like there's magical cannontations underneath this. Like I've spoken before 316 00:18:41.079 --> 00:18:43.640 that magic is all about the manipulation of language and meaning, 317 00:18:43.640 --> 00:18:47.480 which then alters people's perceptions of reality. And I can't 318 00:18:47.480 --> 00:18:50.079 help but think when we start looking at Catholic history, 319 00:18:50.640 --> 00:18:54.640 or you know, perennialism itself, this idea of the Abrahamic 320 00:18:54.680 --> 00:18:57.319 religions really all sort of saying the exact same thing. 321 00:18:57.359 --> 00:18:59.880 We can point back to the Iberian Peninsula in Spain 322 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:03.119 with the Moorish occupation, where they allowed for all these 323 00:19:03.160 --> 00:19:07.440 mystical traditions to study each other and even smoke hashiesh 324 00:19:07.519 --> 00:19:10.559 coming out of Northern Africa. And then right after that 325 00:19:10.839 --> 00:19:13.599 we start looking at the fifteenth century, the fourteen hundreds. 326 00:19:13.599 --> 00:19:16.440 We get the Italian Renaissance, we get the translation of 327 00:19:16.440 --> 00:19:20.599 the Hermetic Corpus, we get Marcillo, Ficino, Giovanni, Picadella, Marindola, 328 00:19:20.640 --> 00:19:27.000 and we see magic, Chaldean oracles, Sufism, Kabbala, and Christian 329 00:19:27.039 --> 00:19:31.480 mysticism all come together in this sort of new understanding 330 00:19:31.519 --> 00:19:35.480 of what man is, of what religion is. And this 331 00:19:35.559 --> 00:19:38.400 is where the perennialism itself, if you're going to trace 332 00:19:38.440 --> 00:19:41.440 that idea really gets going, is the thirteenth century Spain, 333 00:19:41.799 --> 00:19:46.200 and Catholicism has really been associated with this concept ever since. 334 00:19:47.079 --> 00:19:49.720 Yeah, I was going to bring up the Renaissance origins 335 00:19:49.759 --> 00:19:53.920 of Ahumanism. Actually because this is a more accurate thesis 336 00:19:54.039 --> 00:20:00.640 on the real origins of Ecumenisma way prior to Bodikan two. So, 337 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:04.319 for example, if you read a Cult Renaissance Church of Rome, 338 00:20:04.400 --> 00:20:07.319 Hoffman shows in that book that the real origins of 339 00:20:07.400 --> 00:20:11.359 the ideas of a common root of the religions, a 340 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:16.200 skeletal root religion that is neither Christianity nor Orthodo, nor 341 00:20:17.680 --> 00:20:21.799 Islam nor you know, Judaism, is itself a religious presupposition 342 00:20:21.920 --> 00:20:24.440 that comes out of philosophical schools. So it's kind of 343 00:20:24.440 --> 00:20:28.359 a neoplatonic approach, and it's an approach as you said 344 00:20:28.359 --> 00:20:31.079 that it gets adopted eventually by the perennial schools, which 345 00:20:31.079 --> 00:20:35.920 are really just borrowing from Neoplatonism to try to find 346 00:20:36.039 --> 00:20:40.799 the grand ultimate skeletal backbone of what the world religions are, 347 00:20:40.920 --> 00:20:44.000 which are just kind of masks. So the perennialist idea, 348 00:20:44.079 --> 00:20:46.720 which again is not new, it was already had and 349 00:20:46.759 --> 00:20:50.759 seed form by Neoplatonists, and then it's regurgitated by the 350 00:20:50.759 --> 00:20:54.079 neo platonic schools that really influence the people in the 351 00:20:54.240 --> 00:20:58.160 Italian Renaissance. It's just regurgitating things that had already been 352 00:20:58.359 --> 00:21:01.559 rejected in the first seven count So actually, if you read, 353 00:21:01.599 --> 00:21:04.400 for example, Myandor's book Business Ideology, there's a whole chapter 354 00:21:04.559 --> 00:21:08.720 on the rejection of Neoplatonism. And this is why you get, 355 00:21:08.799 --> 00:21:14.000 for example, the visiting Emperor Saint Justinian is the one 356 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:18.160 who started closing down the Platonic Academy and these schools, 357 00:21:18.200 --> 00:21:22.519 because what happens is in the sonoticicon there's an explicit 358 00:21:22.559 --> 00:21:27.519 rejection of Platonism, Neoplatonism in this end, this idea which 359 00:21:27.799 --> 00:21:33.519 manifests in the chapter that he wrote called the It's 360 00:21:33.519 --> 00:21:37.200 about the humanists, the monastics and humanists, and so this 361 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:42.519 eventually manifests is a warfare between neoplatonism. And this even 362 00:21:42.519 --> 00:21:48.000 gets into iconography because the iconoclass are actually rejecting iconography 363 00:21:48.039 --> 00:21:51.759 on neoplatonic grounds. They all have neoplatonic arguments. This comes 364 00:21:51.799 --> 00:21:54.160 up in St. Theodore the STUDEI. It's repeated in the 365 00:21:54.200 --> 00:21:57.920 Alspinsky Treatise with Theology the icon in the chapter on 366 00:21:57.960 --> 00:22:01.680 Gregory Palomos, because palam is them is what undergirds the 367 00:22:01.759 --> 00:22:08.240 affirmation of iconography. The energy's doctrine is crucial and fundamental 368 00:22:08.279 --> 00:22:11.359 to why we do iconography. It's the apologetic argument that 369 00:22:11.400 --> 00:22:14.000 they use. At the Seven Council. St. Theodore and Sat. 370 00:22:14.039 --> 00:22:17.039 John Damascus talk about the energies being the reason why 371 00:22:17.799 --> 00:22:22.920 iconography is useful, correct, important, pedagogical, and also mystical. I mean, 372 00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:25.279 this is why the Saints have a golden halo. It's 373 00:22:25.359 --> 00:22:29.839 because that's signifying the uncreated light. Icons themselves are teaching 374 00:22:29.880 --> 00:22:32.839 the essence energy doctrine. And so when we get to 375 00:22:34.160 --> 00:22:38.720 the Renaissance period, there's a rejection of that idea of 376 00:22:39.039 --> 00:22:43.119 icons and iconography having a specific liturgical setting and meaning 377 00:22:43.200 --> 00:22:45.920 and significance, and there's rubrics for how you do it. 378 00:22:46.200 --> 00:22:49.640 You don't do Chinese Jesus because Jesus wasn't Chinese. But 379 00:22:49.720 --> 00:22:52.680 we specifically see at the time of Charlemagne and after 380 00:22:52.799 --> 00:22:57.359 that's when the Western Church departs right in many ways 381 00:22:57.599 --> 00:23:01.000 from the liturgical norms and from the Seventh Council. The 382 00:23:01.079 --> 00:23:05.000 Romancalloy Church never has really accepted the actual teaching of 383 00:23:05.039 --> 00:23:07.599 the Seventh Ecumenical Council. They afferm it in principle, but 384 00:23:07.640 --> 00:23:09.799 for them, oh, that just means we can do Jesus 385 00:23:09.960 --> 00:23:12.480 art right, and you can do anything, so you can 386 00:23:12.519 --> 00:23:15.039 have God the Father as an old man. No, actually, 387 00:23:15.079 --> 00:23:18.720 the Seventh machemenical council says you cannot paint God the 388 00:23:18.759 --> 00:23:21.039 Father as an old man, and it says that's a 389 00:23:21.200 --> 00:23:24.720 heretical and idolatrous notion. No man has seen the Father 390 00:23:24.799 --> 00:23:27.839 at any time, Jesus says, and never will because the 391 00:23:27.880 --> 00:23:30.759 only icon of the Father is the person of the Son. 392 00:23:30.799 --> 00:23:33.480 The hypostasis of the son is the only icon of 393 00:23:33.519 --> 00:23:38.079 the Father. And so there can be symbolic representations of 394 00:23:38.119 --> 00:23:41.240 the Father in the sense of the three angels in 395 00:23:41.319 --> 00:23:45.119 the you know the famous a Braamic Rublev icon. There's 396 00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:47.680 a symbols that represent the Trinity. But we make it 397 00:23:47.759 --> 00:23:51.240 very clear if you read the later icon councils in Moscow, 398 00:23:51.279 --> 00:23:55.680 they they explicitly know that those icons are not portraying 399 00:23:55.720 --> 00:23:58.759 the person of the Father, right any more than the 400 00:23:58.839 --> 00:24:01.799 number three is like portraying the person of the Father. 401 00:24:01.920 --> 00:24:04.559