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let's dive in to today's episode to welcome to the show,
Jent Buschman.
Speaker 3: How you doing, Jen, I'm good, Thank you, thank you
for having me.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you so much for coming on this show.
It has been is a treat to have you on
the show. I want to really dive into your interesting journey.
Speaker 4: Let's say that you've had in your life journey as
a as a psychic in developing and understanding those abilities.
Speaker 1: And my first question is when did you first this
cover that you weren't like everybody else, that there was
something a little bit I want to say off, what's
special about you.
Speaker 3: I'm from Washington State and I was on my first
backpacking trip with my parents, and I was five years
old up on the Olympic Peninsula and I saw a
sasquatch when we were backpacking, and I saw two juveniles
in the trees and I thought they were monkeys, you know,
they were younger sasquatch. So I turned around and said
to my dad, you didn't tell me there were monkeys
up here in the trees, you know, that we had
them in our forest. And he said, there are no
monkeys here.
Speaker 2: You know, stop it.
Speaker 3: But I wouldn't stop because I kept seeing them. They
were playing kind of like jumping from tree to tree
as we were hiking along the plank out to the beach,
and so I kept, you know, kind of pestering him, like,
you know, I'm seeing this, aren't you seeing this? And
so I got then, you know, we moved on, and
then I was separated from the group and behind and
I was tying my shoes, looked up and there was
the mother with the two juveniles, and I knew that
something was different, you know, because she was covered in
hair and she looked like my mom, you know, and
so but she telepathically told me to catch up, you know,
go join your family. Catch up, because I was all excited.
I wanted to play, you know, and so I kept
asking my dad about it, and he kind of got angry,
and so I shut down. Then that kindergarten, So I
went to school that fall, started kindergarten, and I was
taken with other kids up to the resource room and
we were tested and it was by a group of people,
mostly men, and they didn't look like the other teachers,
you know, because that end of the school, you know,
first grade, in kindergarten, teachers looked like Grandma's.
Speaker 1: Right, very much suck, very much sun.
Speaker 3: And so I didn't trust this man who sat me
down and was asking me questions like, have you ever
experienced anything that you couldn't explain? Anything that was odd,
anything that was weird.
Speaker 1: This is at school, Yes, how old were you?
Speaker 2: I was five?
Speaker 1: There's five and they out of the blue, they.
Speaker 3: Just they tested six of us. And so my friend Jeff,
who I communicated with telepathically all through school where we
grew up, we knew each other, and so he was
there and he was like, don't answer them. And I
didn't trust this man. I didn't like his energy. I
didn't like you know, I didn't trust him.
Speaker 2: I knew that.
Speaker 3: There was this was about ulterior motives, but you know,
in your little five year old head, it was just
like I don't like you, you know, you just don't
seem like all the others.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So later what I learned was that some kids were
like put into a program and developed as psychics to
work for the government.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've had that. We've had people on the show
who've talked about that program about either remote viewing, those
kind of things. That was a real government program and
there was a real psychic psychic spies essentially.
Speaker 3: Yes, Yeah, so I was not. I mean I just
shut down. I believe he was psychic because I felt
like he was reading me. I mean, I felt like
Alex that he almost knew what I had experienced that summer.
Speaker 1: Right, but couldn't pin but couldn't pinpoint it, or at
least couldn't break through whatever you were. You were blocking them. Essentially,
You're like, I don't want to play this game. And
that's that's fascinating. I've never actually met someone who's who's
been recruited into that program and you said no because
you were five. So there's that. It's almost very it's
almost very Stranger Things eighties style movie kind of scenario.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So so at that point, I mean, you start you
start noticing that you're not like the other kids. No
things are and and and there comes a realization I
assume at some point you're like, oh, everybody can't do this.
Speaker 3: Right, You know, and I I felt trees, you know,
I feel the frequency of rocks. I feel I would
know what people were thinking, and I would know, you know, animals,
what was wrong with them?
Speaker 1: But Jen, let me ask you, but let me ask
you this then, as a five year old or even
as an adolescent, how did you deal with this psychologically?
Did you? I mean, did you have someone in the
family who's guiding you through this whole problem? You're like, oh, Jen,
you've got the fa You've got the gift, there's that
those things, or there's the other family which is like,
what's wrong with Jen?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jen's blacksheet. That's what I was.
Speaker 1: I was there. So if you're the freakazoid in the family,
how did you sorry, that's a very technical term freakazoid
by the way, how did you deal psychologically at such
a young age? Because you don't have any tools at
that age or experience to deal with this, So how
did you deal with it?
Speaker 3: Well? Because and that's what happened, So going down a
rabbit hole. I do work with kids now who are
a psychic, and I counsel them in the way that
I wish that I was, you know, to learn how
to mostly managing your reaction to your gift, because when
you are open and you're inundated with feeling people's feelings,
knowing what people are thinking, knowing what the weather is
going to be, right, seeing things in the future, of
what's going to happen exactly. I felt very separate. But
then my father's reaction and I'm not blaming my dad
or anything like that, that's not what this is. It's
just this is what happens. My dad's reaction when we
were in the forest was kind of like quiet. It
was like he knew that I knew that he knew
he knew something was up because I was always this
kind of kid into everything.
Speaker 2: Why why Why?
Speaker 3: And I'd be off in my own little world, but
I would know what he was up to, and he
knew that there was something. So that is what I'm
saying is that was a moment where it shut me
down and like it started to if you envision a flower,
as my friend Michelle says, you know, you see yourself
wide open, and it just started to really close me down.
Speaker 2: And then it did. It got really really.
Speaker 3: Bad in my teens because the flower opened back up
around eleven and that's what happens, like my grandmother called
on the phone.
Speaker 2: I told my.
Speaker 3: Dad and she said, have your dad talk to me.
And grandma had died years ago, but she you know,
so I told my dad, I said, Grandma risk.
Speaker 1: So yeah, And I'm assuming that didn't go.
Speaker 3: Over well, no, no, because then you know, then he's like, you're,
you know, messing with.
Speaker 2: Me, and I'm like, no, I'm not, but.
Speaker 1: So so good lord, We'll be right back after a
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And this is you know, this is a I'm assuming
in the you know, later part of the twentieth century.
So it's not as open psychics and mediums and channels
and spirituality and metaphysics. It's not a real kind of
known thing near death experiences. We're just kind of getting
off the ground. It's not where we are today, where
a lot of the concepts that we're talking about are
more accepted or at least understood, whether you accept or
not it is. It's not like witchcraft. We're not going
to be burned at this stake tomorrow by having these conversations.
So I imagine back then this was absolutely taboo. Were you
raised religious?
Speaker 2: Was it?
Speaker 1: Were you in a religious hottol.
Speaker 3: No, No, we didn't go to church.
Speaker 1: Okay, so it's just like it. But it's still a
TABOOI kind of thing back then.
Speaker 2: Especially.
Speaker 3: It's really interesting though, because my great grandma was really metaphysical,
like she would heal people. She was a nurse. She
owned a lot of land in Tacoma, Washington, and so
there's a funny story about the land how they carved
I five through it and she went to the door
with a gun and demanded that they pay her for
trying to kick her off her land. But she was
a nurse, but she was a healer and she had gifts.
But my family always made fun of her memory, So
I know, I knew, you know, how you get these
messages is that it's not okay to And then I
did try to talk to my mom about it because
my mom was very attracted, you know, ember Noostradamus was
kind of been in his predictions as quatrains, and my
mom was hanging out with her really good friend who's
very spiritual, and her sisters and they had gifts and
they would go to eastern Washington and meet the psychic.
And but my mom told me that my brother was
the psychic in the family, and I was kind of like, oh,
and you know, so it made me think I just
kind of evolved into you know, I'm crazy, So this
is something wrong with me.
Speaker 1: So this is something very interesting. So because I from
my understanding that these gifts are passed down heretically and genetically.
Sometimes even this is what I hear that. It's not always,
but sometimes grandma or aunt or uncle or someone had
the gift and it's kind of passed down generation. Sometimes
it skips a generation, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes like possibly
your mom would just like nope, even if I had it,
I'm not gonna do anything about it, kind of and
they shut it down and it keeps coming through. So
it was in your line, if you will, in your bloodline,
quote unquote, there was some sort of gift, but no
one talked about it because back then and Grandma's time,
you definitely never talked about something. Right, you had just
been ousted. So that's really fascinating. So as you're growing up,
you think you're crazy, you think you're going nuts with this,
by the way, very common. I've spoken to many side
kicks and channels and other people who I go so
you thought you were nuts? Right, So how did you
overcome the ability this idea that you're nuts because you
have no guidance, you have no the information. This show
was in in existence back then, so you couldn't watch
a show and go, oh, I'm not crazy. I might
have what these people are talking about. The books weren't
as available, there was no Internet. How did you overcome
this thought that you were nuts?
Speaker 3: Well, when I was nineteen, I had a suicide attempt,
and you know, I was really really struggling. From about
fifteen on, it just got worse and worse.
Speaker 1: Well, teenageers are tough. Cheers are tough in general, let alone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, and then with you know, just not being
able to talk about what was going on with me
and all the other stuff with my family dynamics. Yeah,
I tried to kill myself and I met my spirit
Guyed Pink during that attempt, and I didn't realize that
was my spirit guide that but I met him in
physical form and he told me because my grandma Leila
had passed, my friend Chris Pagan had passed.
Speaker 2: He died of a.
Speaker 3: Brain tumor when he was six, and so you know,
they were there at the tunnel, and my grandmother sent
me back and I was pulled back into the room
and there was this man standing by the bed, very tall,
wearing a checkered red and black shirt. Because I grew
up in Seattle, my brother was in the grunge scene,
so I really identified with grunge. I was into that.
Speaker 1: That was.
Speaker 3: So your spirit guys will present themselves to you in
a way that they think you see them as relevant. Right,
So he told me it was not always going to
be this way, kind of pretty much a pep talk
of hang in there. You you have a purpose here
on this planet, and just hang on. It's not always
going to be like this for you. And I thought, wow,
this is a really weird thing for a volunteer firefighter
to say, but you know, it was reassuring. And then
my boyfriend came home and he called nine one one,
and so all that got through that And a few
days later I was walking up to my car, which
I drove a blue carmen Ghia and my good friend
had a yellow one. So we were really into our
carmen Ghias. We were commuting to college together and I
kept seeing this pink carmen Gia.
Speaker 2: And I would when we go through.
Speaker 3: A stoplight or you know, I would see this really
pretty color of pinky purple and I would say, Kathy,
you know, because we were always on the lookout for
carmen ghas and I would see this, but at the
time I was just really really struggling, but I would
always see his car. So when after I got home
from the hospital and I was walking up to my car,
we lived on a busy road in the harbor, and
that pink Carmenhia was really slowly coming around and it
like slowed down and it was so weird. It was
almost shimmering, and it was that it was that guy,
the volunteer firefighter that was standing next to my bed,
and he was just waving at me, and I was just.
Speaker 2: Like my jaw was on the ground.
Speaker 3: It was And I didn't understand at that time what
that was, who he is, what this was. I just thought,
oh my god, my life is weird. So, you know,
it was just so strange.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but you had enough self awareness to know
that there was something off that you know, you didn't
fall into like, oh this is you didn't you didn't
drink the kool aid as they said you you were
kind of like, hey, wait a minute, man, things are
just so weird and I got no guidance here, And
it seems like your spirit guide is coming around, going
it's going to be okay. It's these little signs to
kind of keep you going even though he couldn't sit
you down and go, look, this is the deal, because
that's did eventually eventually. Well also, and this is really interesting,
and this is something I found interesting from people I've
spoken to that they the other side won't give you
information until you're ready for it, exactly. They will not
because you're not prepared for it. And I always use
the example of a lottery You know, if you win
one hundred million dollars tomorrow and you really don't know
what to do with that kind of energy coming towards you,
it could destroy you, as it does most lottery winners,
because they're not they're not psychologically prepared, ego prepared, spiritually prepared,
financial literacy prepared, none of that stuff to deal with
that kind of energy. So it's a gift that you're
not getting the information maybe when you want it, but
you'll get it when you need it.
Speaker 2: Fair enough, fair enough, sir, very good.
Speaker 1: Yes, So So at what point did you start to
understand truly what your gift was and started to embrace
the gift, at least in a private standpoint before you,
as you say, wave your freak flag out for all
to see. I know there's a there's a little step
between that and where we are right now. So how
did you embrace finally embrace you your gift?
Speaker 2: Well, because things, you know, were weird.
Speaker 3: And then at twenty two I met a woman who
was my therapist.
Speaker 2: You told me that she was walking and an alien.
Speaker 3: I know you don't talk about aliens, yeah, but you know,
but there is a purpose there, there are et guides
that we have and it's very real. And so she
entered my life and after nine months of working together,
I mean, she helped me so much because this is
when I was twenty two and I was in school
and I was always you know, I was better after
the nineteen year old incident, but still fundfully this low
grade depression that just kept going up and down. But
it was a little better than where I had been,
but it was still a struggle. And she was wonderful,
helped me in such different ways than I had ever
been helped. And then the last two sessions because I
was moving to Hawaii and she was going home.
Speaker 2: It is how she put it.
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Speaker 3: And then the last two sessions she told me who
she was and why she was here and why I'm here.
And I was like, you know, when you hear that
and you already you're crazy, right, and you've spent that
nine months just really opening up to whom you think
is your therapist. Right then it was like, you know,
telling myself, oh my god, I really am delusional. I
really am nuts. But there was that piece because I
was so convinced that I was nuts, because I marinated
in this energy of belief in my family and.
Speaker 1: The people I was so programming.
Speaker 3: To reaffirm that that I was nuts. But there was
that other side where it all made so much sense.
Speaker 2: It was so right.
Speaker 3: So I did see her go home. I was going
to move to Hawaii in two days, and I had
been down at my family's house in Gay Harbor and
was driving home and I was coming up through the
mountains because I lived in Mellingham at the time in
Washington State, coming down. It's this awesome part of the
highway where you come up to go through the mountains
and come down, And as I was cresting, I looked
up through my sun roof and there was an upside
down craft looked like that aircraft carrier, and so I did.
I saw Courtney go home, and then I had missing
time and all that stuff. But that was really significant
for me because fast forward through my life and I'm
seeing Pink, you know, on the beach in Waikiki in
his webon black checked shirt, and I'm like, oh my god,
I'm seeing that guy. So I'm telling myself I am delusional.
Speaker 2: I am crazy.
Speaker 1: You're seeing people. There's yeah, dead people you're seeing. It's weird.
It's weird. I get you, y, that's it's a beautiful mind.
You're like a beautiful mind.
Speaker 3: Right bartending on the beach in Waikiki. And I know
what everybody's thinking. I know what they're going to drink
before they order it. I mean, I know, you know.
It was just when you're open like that, like I said,
you just absorb like a fun So not only is
it crazy making here like geez, you known people just
don't do this, but not understanding how energy works and
frequency works and how to use this to move humanity along?
Speaker 2: Right, So when.
Speaker 3: I was fifty two, I went to this young psychiatrist
or nurse practitioner to get help.
Speaker 2: Because it was just getting really, really bad.
Speaker 3: And I was like, Okay, I need this, is this
and this, you know, these medications and I think if
I do four electric chuck treatments, I'll be it'll zap
it out. And he just kind of looked at me.
He just smiled and he was like, jen you guys,
have you ever thought maybe you're psychic? And I was like, oh,
here we go again. And it was like, oh my gosh, why.
Speaker 1: Do I keep attracting all these crazy people around, these
crazy mental health people?
Speaker 3: So he said I know you are because I am.
And man, in that moment, Alex, it was it was incredible.
Speaker 1: Yeah my life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like the world came together. So all
those mental health insurance paid appointments turned into coaching session sessions.
He told me explain to me who I was. Like,
I would say, okay, so when I do this and
this and this, and he would say, oh my, got
to that's this and he would say, well, what hits
do you get about that? And I mean it was
just fantastic, you guys. It was so oh, it was
so liberating, and like, oh, finally.
Speaker 1: And this is in your fifties, you're doing this. Yeah,
so I was.
Speaker 2: That's five years ago.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this, Now that you are
aware of you're obviously your gift, and you have a
bunch better understanding of the other side and sold blueprints
and soul plans and these kind of things, why did
you have to go through fifty two years of all
of this crap of not understanding who you were? Thinking?
You're crazy thinking? Because there's other people who have your gift,
who have a supportive family, or has a friend that
they meet in their twenties, or reads a book that
really opens them up, or finds an organ is it
something that helps guide them? You had apparently very little
guidance other than your therapist, which you still didn't kind
of believe at that point to you find why do
you think you had to go through that in this life?
Speaker 3: Well to get me to today to what I do now?
I mean, now I am just my days are full
from three am until nine at night helping.
Speaker 1: But the struggle, But the struggle is what got you
because there's a struggle. So you went through hell beating
yourself up over these years. And trust me, I have
a similar story on my own, not nearly as entertaining
as yours, but of what I had to go through
to get to where I am right now. So I
understand the value of it, Yes, but but I still
sometimes go Is it because I asked for Obviously I
asked for this. Obviously this is the journey that I
needed to go through, you know, But could I could
I be who I am today if I would have
gotten this information twenty years ago? Did I need twenty
years of this hell? Like I'm telling you, like, did
I need Could I got it? Could I meet this
psychotherapist at thirty?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: That would you know? I really need twenty more years
of this in seventy Yeah?
Speaker 1: So is that that's what I'm asking?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well you said it. You said that we.
Speaker 3: Aren't ready for information and that it was ready. So
it's a sole contract. So soul contracts are what we
experience here in the third dimension? Is humans? In no
other dimension do we experience emotion the way that we
do here. I mean, if you think about it, every
single interaction that you have Every relationship that you have
is through emotion. You even have a relationship with somebody
that you're driving alongside of on the freeway and they
speed up and you notice them. It's always through emotion.
And so what Courtney, and that's why I do soul
contract work with people with folks, is to understand all
the relationships. All this experiences that we have in our
life are frequency. It's energy, and it's understanding what is
the energy that is being reflected back to you that
which you need to learn and we do it through
our relationships. It's not like I chose the parents that
I had or the family that I had when I
was at the top of the slide and incarnated into
this lifetime. I you do this with other souls, and
it's not like, you know, I chose the soul next
to me. That's not how it works. It works like
I will show up in a way that will teach
you to love yourself. And I would say to the
soul next to me, I'm going to show up in
a way that will teach you belongingnes right. And so
we incarnate and then my mother and my father they
showed up as my mother and father. So it's not
like we choose these experiences and it's not like because
see we're attaching emotion when we judge like that. It's
just is it so s up to reflect back to you.
So I was ready when I was ready, and now
I needed all of that experience, all of that pain,
all of that joy, all of that everything that I
experienced in order to do the job that I do today.
Speaker 1: So when you're on the other side and you're putting
together the soul contract, and I have spoken to so
many people in regards to soul contracts, from your deaths
experiances to psychics, channels and all that. So my understanding
of it from not being a psychic, uh and not
actually speaking to the other side. And then please tell me.
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show. From what you're telling
me is that from what I understand, there are major
checkpoints along the journey that you have to get to,
uh that you're gonna you're gonna marry this person, You're
gonna be an architect, you're gonna be this or that,
and there's moments that that you have to get to. Now,
how you get there is truly up to you. You
can go the long way, the short way, all that stuff,
but there are checkpoints that you have that that you're like, hey,
I really would like to know what it feels like
to be obscenely rich in this lifetime, and like, would
you like to start, Rachel, would you like to become rich? Oh?
I don't know. Less I think I'd like to become
rich and actually earn my way up there. Maybe the
next life I'll do hereditarian. I'll just be born into
a rich family. I don't know. And then okay, okay,
So if that's what you want, then you're gonna need
to go here here and hear. How you get there
is up to you. But that's what you that's your
experience that you want to get. That's an experience level
of it. Now you go into a deeper level going, okay,
I really would like to learn empathy. Okay, if you
want to learn empathy in this life, Okay, you talk
to another soul who's in your soul group. You say,
I will show up sometime in your life to teach
you this lesson. If you need to go, I need
to feel what it's like to be you know, and
I use this as an example, because I had my
own devil that showed up when I was in my
twenties who was an ex gangster who you know, tortured
me for about a year when I was trying to
make a movie with him, and he taught me so
much about my life. And I imagine that when I
was on the other side, I asked somebody, and I
asked one of the souls in the like, oh, I
got you in this life. I'm gonna be and I'm
going to come in and I'm going to teach a
lot of people these lessons while I'm learning my lessons.
So if you want to just swing over, I'll make
sure to take care of your lesson for you. And
I'm like cool, So it's am, I am. I kind
of getting the idea.
Speaker 3: Correct, you are, But understand that his lesson him acting
this way, him experiencing the emotion he is from acting
like that, choosing that behavior correct.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, he's going to learn his lessons from his
sen and I'm going to learn my lessons from my end.
It's and it just when I when I heard all
of this stuff years ago about soul contracts and sol blueprints,
all this stuff starting to make more sense. You know,
it might not be the the way everybody thinks of life.
But when I was like, oh, that kind of makes
more sense than oh, if we don't if we do bad,
we're going to go down to an eternal hell, it
didn't make any sense to me. But this actually makes
sense to me. And okay, so that's so things are
quote unquote negative. Things are happening to my life. They're
not happening to me, they're happening for me.
Speaker 2: They're happening for you. Yes, And it is.
Speaker 1: Not easy to feel that when it's happening to you.
Youop very easy in the back, like, oh, years ago,
that was great that all that horror that I went through, right,
But when you're in the horror, it's very difficult to
deal with that. And it happens to me every still
happens to me all the time, like why is this happening?
Why did this happen? And I'm like, oh, you know what,
I might not understand what the reasoning is for this,
but I might figure it out down the road, and
you just kinda kind of roll with the punches that way.
So so okay, so let's just go back real quick
so you're now you understand who you are, what you
what your abilities are, and now the big question is
you're a closeted psychic. At this point, you have come
out and and I love the term fly your freak flag.
I think that's great. That should be you should fly
a freeflag. Dot com should be any websites.
Speaker 3: I think that's in my book. I'm trying to figure
out the title for it.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's beautiful, and it's a beautiful title. I think
I'm gonna fly my freak flag. What is this? At
what point did you finally get the courage to come
out of that psychic closet and go, okay, guys, this
is what I do.
Speaker 2: Well. I started on YouTube.
Speaker 3: And I started just you know, using tro cards on
current events. And I did that for a while and
it was fun. It was wonderful because I started in
two ways. You know, I was engaging in my gift,
but I was also meeting people that shared my gift
or encouraged it, or also felt like they didn't belong
and they found we found belonging this and inclusion in
the YouTube community in this particular arena.
Speaker 1: Isn't it interesting that after you discovered after fifty two
and all this information came in that you started to
attract people who supported what you were doing, like minded
people before that, they were few and far between. If ever,
it's very and all of a sudden, then you got
this embarrassment of riches now with all these people showing up,
and you're like, where were you twenty years ago?
Speaker 2: Right? Exactly? Yeah, it's how it works.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But it happened just as it was supposed to,
because then I started to do readings for people, and
I kind of I saw Torou as a way to
kind of hide in a sense.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: It was like using cards in a systematic way of
you know, tapping in.
Speaker 2: The spirit maybe, and it kept.
Speaker 3: You know, kept like like another like a slayer. Yeah.
And so but then I got more and more confidence
and more and just really with the encouragement of the
community that I was in to just be myself, to
just be me. And so it has it's just evolved
into you know, I do star seed readings. I can
tell you where you come from your birth star, but
what your purpose is, why you came back to the
third dimension? What is your contract? I see the dimensions
and I understand I channel dimensions, the spiritual messages from
the dimensions sole contract work. I've created a class around
that and help folks move through phases. We use Danielle
McKinnon's work, but I'm in the process of writing my
own book about it. You know, it's just it's grown
and grown. I teach meditation, and I'm just me and
I have no problem talking about ets or talking about sasquatch.
I mean, I went and had a sasquatch reading with
Gail Fowler, the Urban Shaman, and she told me the twins,
remember the twins.
Speaker 1: That I saw, that they were there when.
Speaker 2: My son was born.
Speaker 3: Because she channeled exactly what happened when my son was born.
It's a different Nobody would know that. It's a very
it was a difficult berth.
Speaker 2: And so they are here now.
Speaker 3: So when I do my healings and clearings, I tap
into them. And Rosie, she's my sasque watch that when
I do medical intuitives, and I go in and I
see what's going on with your body and the blockage
and how to help you release that, move it and
help you heal or diagnose illness. They help me so
I know that it seems pretty like whoa, that's my
freak flag. Right, It's pretty it's pretty.
Speaker 1: Colorful, colorful to say the least, to say the least.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you said that you.
Speaker 1: Tap into different dimensions, and I've had many guests on
the show that channel from different dimensions, and even spiritual
masters and yogis who obviously discussed this. I always find
fascinating is no matter who I'm talking to, all the
truths are similar or are they all? The truth is
a truth is a truth. It's a truth. Very few
contradictions I ever ever hear from multiple from people from
all walks of life, all traditions. When you get to
the real core of it, it's really interesting. So dimensions
is fascinating to me because one of my favorite things
to talk about parallel realities, the multiverse, all of that
kind of stuff, and then of course just the different
phases of dimensions that we have, the third dimension, fourth dimension,
fifth and so on. Can you talk a little bit
about your work in these other dimensions, how you're able
to tap into them, and what they can teach us
in this dimension?
Speaker 3: Well? Yes, So it started with when I was a
child and I would wind up when I would go
into the woods because we lived in the woods on
I grew up on an island in the South Puget Sound.
And so when I would be in the you know,
by myself out in the woods walking down to the
you know, the road for the school bus, I would
I would walk through like different times and different places.
And it started that way. And it started with colors
and frequencies and light.
Speaker 2: And then as.
Speaker 3: I I grew and I was, you know, speaking with
the psychiatric nurse practitioner and trying to understand what is
all this this color, these places I go and I wind.
Speaker 1: Up and we'll be right back after a word from
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Speaker 2: Uh you know.
Speaker 3: I was explained, well, that's that's dimensional work, and you know,
and he counseled me and said to just ask, ask
for clarification. And so as I honed my skills, I
can I can use dream time really effectively, you know
as to where I want to go. I have certain
ritual that I do to line up my aspects and
that's that's how I get there. But it took time
to really understand. And then Courtney, when she came back
to me in the guide form that she is, she
helps me to understand what it means, and so then
I channel the meanings from the dimensions.
Speaker 1: So the one thing I've heard many times and you
just kind of touched upon it, is that the other side,
in all of its forms, do not interfere because we
all have free will in our lives. But if you
ask for help, help shows up, they won't show up
without being prompted. They're funny that way, even though they could,
like this person obviously needs a little help, I haven't
asked for You know the rules. We can't go down
or we can't do anything. We can't send a person,
we can't turn on a song, or we can't show
them the movie or a book that they need to
read until they ask for help. And I think that's
the lesson that all of us need to learn. And
we're having struggles in life, ask for help, ask for
clear clarification, and this information does get to you. It's
it happened in my life many times where I'm like
what and don't just yell out why is it happening
to me? That's not what I'm saying. Be a little
bit more strategic with the way you ask it. But
would you agree that's the way it works exactly.
Speaker 3: And that's what I tell my folks is that your
spirit guides are not your parents.
Speaker 2: You know they they do not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean not as if your parents can't be
your guides. That's not what I'm saying, or the crossed
over loved ones. What I'm saying is your spirit guides.
They're not micromanaging you.
Speaker 2: They're not.
Speaker 3: They will offer you and give you messages.
Speaker 2: They will nudge you.
Speaker 3: When they see that maybe this will split your soul,
they will enter and there will be an intervention. But no,
it's because and that's the eighth dimension. That's where the
Acoschek records lie. That's where the library of you exists.
Your past, your present, your future. But we have free will,
and so we can change that at any moment, and
we do that, and we are supposed to do that.
To think that your life is already mapped out, where
is the beauty in that? There is no ascension in
that is what Paine says.
Speaker 1: Well, it's kind of like playing a video game. If
you already have all the answers, or you have the
invincibility token and you can just kind of walk through everything,
it becomes boring. It becomes boring. But what's the point.
You've got to only have three players, three men, as
they say, to play the game. If you die once,
you got to come back. But you better learn around
the corner because you're not You only got three shots
at this, let's say in a video game scenario. So
a lot of people think, oh, everything's predestined, Yes, and no,
I would agree that there is those landmarks, those those
markers on the highway that you will get to. That's
predestined because you set it up that way. But how
you get there you can go, oh, you could take
ten year detour to get to that place. And that's
also to my understanding. The spirit guides and the universe
is a general statement, will start to nudge you and
push you in the direction that you requested to go.
But you have free will, so you're kind of going
off the reservation. And they first they they whisper, then
they tap, then they nudge, and eventually a car hits
you and ze, actually you're here with a sledgehammer across
the head. And because you're like you apparently not getting it,
so we got to stop you. And then you know,
and that's where near death experiences come. In sometimes and
that's where it like you had a near death experience
and had a spirit guide come in and go, look, yeah,
apparently we apparently you've gone so far off the reservation
you need to at least can't give you all the
information because you're head to looks blode. Yeah, but we're
going to let you know that there's something happening here
right there is something that's fascinating. So let me so
let me ask you, as you've been doing your work
as a psychic, what do you see happening for our
our this great consciousness shift that I keep talking about
and then a lot of people are talking about this
the higher consciousness we're all as as a species. We
are rising and raising our or shifting into a higher
state of consciousness because obviously we're having these conversations. So
that means that there is definitely a shift from when
you were born to where we are now. There's been
a shift. Where do you see us going as as
a as a collective on the spiritual side first, and
then we'll get into some of the other stuff.
Speaker 2: We are.
Speaker 3: We are rising and growing and we are unifying. This
is kind of a long answer, and I'll try to
make it as ascinct as possible. So you talk about
the multiverse, So just think of the universe the whole
time and space and consciousness.
Speaker 2: Why we are here? What are we here for? What
is this?
Speaker 3: It's pretty you know, it's pretty far out in the
third dimensional because we are on the linear number line
to imagine, you know, to really understand. We have moments
where we remember because our soul exists in many different
dimensions at one time. But understand that us in this
universe that we are in, in our galaxy, and we
are rimmed with other galaxies. It's kind of like think
of it as districts in the multiverse, right, and so
we all unite in our consciousness us, all beings, all
souls that are in this particular ring are united. I
know it's kind of far out to think about, but
things evolve. The universe is expanding, Things change the consciousness,
our consciousness is changing, and you can see it here
on the Earth.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: We're kind of in our politics, in the geopolitics. It's
like the world is like whoa, It is so divided,
it's so black and white, but we need that. You
need the darkness in order to see the light. So
understand that our light is pretty darn big. If we're
seeing the darkness being refracted back to us the way
that it is, that it's a sign that we are growing.
Speaker 2: That is the.
Speaker 3: Messages that I get is that we are moving beyond
on this, that collectively are collective conscious we are rising,
we are sending back to the sun. So when we
PLoP out of the light when we are born, when
our soul is born, it's kind of like what I
see is it's almost like the sun or a star
or a big light, and we kind of we flop
out and we join our soul family and it's almost
a ring, and everybody goes off and does their jobs
between one and fifteen. Then we reunite, we become a
collective consciousness, and we decend back to the sun. Now
I've asked to be shown, you know, what it's like
back there, but I have been shown what the higher
dimensions are fifteen and beyond, and it's pretty It's light.
It's all about the light frequency. And when we achieve
that this doesn't.
Speaker 2: Matter at all. It's like.
Speaker 3: We have achieved what we've needed to achieve in the
third dimension. So understand that your earthly experience here, focus
on your soul contract because that's the whole point. You
will come back and redo your lifetime with the same contract.
You have contracts that you are born with. You have
a contract that you come in, you are born into
the universe with. Then you create these lifetime contracts from
your experiences. But understand, there's always going to be a
big nugget like mine is I'm not enough. I'm not enough.
So what I do is I've gone out and I'm
in experiences that reflect back to me that energy that
I am not enough, because I need that in order
for my soul to grow to rise. Thence I started
to realize that that refraction in the energy, then it
allows you to kind of separate from yourself, like your humanness,
and you see yourself as a player on a stage,
and then you see all the people in your life
and what they're reflecting back to you, and it takes
away the sting. It takes all that humanness that gets involved,
all that pain or judgment or depression, right anxiety. It
lets that go so that you can get to the
nugget and get the work done.
Speaker 2: Could you get the work done here?
Speaker 3: You finally work through that contract, you rise, you grow,
you ascend, and you become part of all that that is.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show and these different layers
or dimensions. And again, none of this is news to me.
I've heard We've talked about this before, and we've heard
it before. But there's always different flavors of dimensions as
far as the vibration. That's why I always when I
hear near death experiences and there is a dark near
death experience, either Jesus or an angel or something of
a higher vibration or frequency comes down and the lower,
lower frequency entity just can't even they can't, they can't
deal with it. They have that they have, there's just
such a higher level and you can kind of I've
had the I've had the privilege of meeting people out
of higher that are a higher frequency. I think a
lot of people on this show, the energy that of
my guests a lot of times are of a much
higher frequency than the average Joe. If you will, and
you can sense it, you can feel a difference with them.
You could also feel when someone is very heavy and
just you know, negative and you know all that kind
of stuff. But what's going to ask you about the
dimensions is that the ascended masters we talk about a
lot of times to Jesus is of the world, the Buddhas,
the yoga nandas Saint Germain's, these kind of souls, the
baba Jee's of the world. These souls have risen to
a point that are they within the fish fifteen or
have some gone beyond the fifteen or are they still
stuck within the fifteen because they are helping us, because
they've chosen to stay down and help us.
Speaker 3: Right, very good, they're like fifteenth them below.
Speaker 1: Because they could eventually go up higher, but then they
would have to let go of helping.
Speaker 3: Us, right, exactly, very good, because we wouldn't recognize it, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, No, it's it's the equivalent. And when you
said that, so people understand that they wouldn't reckon. I
understand what you mean by that, but I'm going to
try to clarify for the audience because that doesn't it's
hard to grasp. We wouldn't recognize that kind of energy
or that kind of frequency. It would be the equivalent
of a tribesman somewhere in the Amazon, and we would
show up with all our technology and they've never seen
if you can even find a human being, I'm sure
there are human beings still that have never touched or
seen a white person or I've never seen, you know,
this kind of technologies that we have now. Showing up
with this kind of stuff in a car for the
first time, or seeing an airplane fit. It's so far
beyond their reality that they just can't even grasp what
it is. And that would be the equivalent of sixteen
and above.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, wow, Yeah, they.
Speaker 1: Are a different They're just at a different and it's
not a higher level. It's not a better level, it's
just a different level. They're at a different level of
their evolution. It's like someone who's never read a book
before in their life, and then you meet someone who
has a PhD who's read thousands of books, just a
different level. By the way, the person who's never read
a book could be a much higherly evolved person then
the person who's been a thousand Trust me, I've read
a life a lot of PhDs who are clueless about life.
But I've met people who are quote unquote ignorant, and
I'm like, well, they got a couple of things figured
out along the way. So it's it's it's all relative.
So so with you said, there needs to be dark
to see the light, and we are rising in consciousness,
why is there so much war and anger and racism
and things that have been popping up, I mean the
war in the Middle East alone. You're just like, I
was like, what really again? Like it just I was like,
why are we replaying these old old songs again? You know?
And the things are going on with Russia and and
even the stuff that's going on here in the States
and the and the political arena, it's like and and
by the way, politically and all over the world, you
get to see it happening in other countries around the world.
Why are we replaying these songs again? Why are we
going back and treading over stuff that, in some cases
thousands of years old? Why haven't we learned those lessons yet?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Because that's part of being human. That's the third dimension.
Speaker 2: Think about the.
Speaker 3: Administration we're in now versus the last administration versus the
administration prior, very different thoughts, belief, energy, Right, we will
always be swinging between the polls.
Speaker 2: That's the third dimension.
Speaker 3: You will be at completely opposite ends of energy, but
you're holding the same rope, right. That's how we grow,
This is how we rise, this is how we assent.
Is through this history will repeat itself. We have you know,
wonderful that we have energies running around the Earth that
are saying, you know, history is here to help look
at what we're heading into. But it's a way. It
keeps the balance, Alex. It makes sense, keeps the equilibrium
because this is the whole point of us being in
the third dimension as human beings. We're always going to
have this struggle. It doesn't matter if you're on Earth
or if you're on Planet X somewhere where you are
in the third dimension. This is what it is like.
It is for this purpose. So it's for you to
find your center. It's for you to find your relationship
with spirit that nobody determines who you are.
Speaker 1: So you mentioned what we're heading into. What are we
heading into in this next year or the rest of
this decade, Because it seems like it's becoming a rockier
road as we are moving forward. And I know from
what I understand, it's going to be a little bit
of it's going to be a little bit turbulent. I
love to hear what your thoughts are and what you've
been told.
Speaker 3: It is going to be a little bit turbulent, but
then it's going to get better.
Speaker 1: Right, can you have Do you have any details in
regards to that that you can give us any sort
of I don't need dates, But just as as a
broad brushstrokes, what what is happening to us? As you
know we're I mean, I know the economy, geopolitics, wars.
It doesn't seem like this is going away.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, if we continue on this same path, yes
we are. You know, we are right on the wheel,
the wheel of fortune, the tenth card in the tarot deck,
right it's it means this is the wheel of free will.
Our choices can determine our destiny, our fate. We see
the possibility we've got the two choices we have the
mirroring we are in that place where we are at
choice right now. I do see relief happening in the
middle of April. That like we're all going to take
a little sigh of relief. I'm not gonna say it
on the show, but we're going to feel relief in
our politics. I see that we're I mean, do you
want me to talk about politicians?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I think I think as a as
a general statement, I generally stay away from politics if
it's in a broad space. You know, I don't want
to stay on one side or the other. But if
there is going to probably be something. Look, we're in
you know, as we're recording this, we're in an election year.
And regardless of which side of the of the of
the aisle you're on, there's stuff going on, you know,
And I think there's always good and bad on both sides,
and so I always look at it when it comes
to politics, because if if you ever met a politician,
sorry all politicians out there, but as a general statement,
what what are you seeing? You don't have to be specific,
you don't even have to say the party's names or
anything like that, but generally, what what do you see happening?
Because that will determine a lot or where we're going
as as a species. Because a lot of the stuff
that happens in the in the US ripples brought the rest.
Speaker 2: Of the world.
Speaker 3: People are going to choose the light, They're going to
choose the truth. We're going to stand in light. We
have a lot of help coming from the ascended Masters
are angels to help. We are at a pivotal.
Speaker 2: Point in humanity. We are at a choice and.
Speaker 3: It's like I said, it's a sign that we are
evolving so much that we need this kind of big, gnarly.
Speaker 2: Meaty choice.
Speaker 3: Right, we will choose the good, but we need the
struggle in order to get to that point.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show.
Speaker 3: You know, being spiritual, being in the third dimension, it's
a very grown up responsibility. It's not like something that
happens to you. We have the ability to determine our destiny.
These challenges that we have, whether it's in our home
or it's geopolitically, they are meant to challenge, just to
constantly reflect back to us that we make a choice.
We make a choice in where we stand and what
we want to bring in, what we want to encourage.
Speaker 1: So what is the biggest lesson that we need to
learn in the next ten years as a species?
Speaker 3: That it is possible. It is all possible. It's a choice,
you guys. You can choose what you want to experience.
You can choose who you are and how you want
to experience this.
Speaker 1: Life as an individual and as a collective.
Speaker 3: Yes, sorry, no, no, it's.
Speaker 1: An emotional thing because there's so many people in so
much pain. I appreciate you being so vulnerable, by the way.
There are so many people in so much pain around
the world who are under delusions that they are they
have no control over their life, that they have no control,
they have no control over anything that happens to them.
And the information that we put out on the show,
in these conversations hopefully empowers people to understand that the
power is within themselves exactly, and they can choose a
different life. And I know it's hard to think that
way when you're in the crap and you're in the
deep mud. We've all been there. I've been there, You've
been there. I don't think you can go through this
life without being touched in one way, shape or form
like that. It's part of it. It's just part of
the journey. So when you're in it, it's really difficult
to see your way out of it. You're like in
the forest in the trees and you can't see anything
but the trees. But if you're able to sat qui
yourself look inward, start to do things little by little,
reading a book here and there, listening to a podcast, meditating,
all these little things to start getting you out. It
won't happen like that, but it will eventually get out. Look,
it took you fifty two years. It took me a
long time as well, decades to figure out a lot
of this stuff as well. So I think that's the
message of this conversation, hopefully what your work is and
what my work is. So I appreciate you doing that.
Speaker 2: Then you are not alone.
Speaker 3: There are many people, many souls out there just like you,
and there is belonging this, there is inclusion, there is understanding,
and it's in spirit.
Speaker 2: And I love you.
Speaker 1: So there's that. Yes, Well, Jen, I'm going to ask
you a few questions, ask all my guests. Yes, okay,
what is your definition of living a fulfilled life?
Speaker 3: Standing in your power?
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you had a chance to go back in
time and speak to little Jen, what advice would you
give that you girl, You're gonna be fun girl.
Speaker 3: Just hang in the mine.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just hang in there. These people around you
great ray.
Speaker 3: And exactly that you are beautiful and you are loved. Jenny,
Jenny Lynn Yes, that's what I will tell my little Jenny.
Speaker 1: How do you define God or source?
Speaker 3: Uh? All that is in everything is me as you,
the trees, it's the life. But it's that unconditional love
that flows through all of us. It's in our DNA,
It's in the DNA of the universe. That's why the
universe exists. It's why we exist.
Speaker 2: That is God. God is love.
Speaker 1: And what is love?
Speaker 3: Ah? Wow?
Speaker 2: Love is.
Speaker 3: Energy? So it's pink. Love is that that flows through us,
that bonds us all. It's that energy, it's frequency. It
moves throughout the universe. That's what unites the molecules, moves
the atoms.
Speaker 2: It is love.
Speaker 1: And what is the ultimate purpose of life?
Speaker 3: To rise as end, find your power, find who you are, belief, hope,
get to trust. Once you can trust, then you relax.
Mm hmm clows right, you trust. It's just like, oh,
I mean just saying it, don't you feel it?
Speaker 1: It's like, oh no, it's like sitting in a war.
It's like sitting in a warm stream and just being taken.
But we spend most of our life walking up the
stream against the current and fighting and fighting and fighting.
And where can people find out more about you and
the work that you're doing.
Speaker 3: In the Jenbushman dot com and my YouTube tech channel.
It's Jen Bushman. I do readings and i have classes.
I have a rock shop because I'm so into the
frequency of stone. I'm a six dimensional star seed from Cyrus,
so I'm really into the frequency of stone.
Speaker 1: So, and do you have any party messages for the audience?
Speaker 3: You are beautiful, you are loved, and it is.
Speaker 1: Jen. Thank you so much for being on the show
and for sharing your journey with us and your wisdom
and your experiences with the tribe. So I appreciate you,
my dear, and everything you're doing to awaken the planet.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. It was an
honor to be here.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you for spending this sacred time with
us today. If you feel called to explore this conversation further,
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