Speaker 1: It's Tuesday. You know what that means. It's time for
Ignition with the A and W fanhob podcast team. We're
gonna talk about Revolution and several other things that are
going on in the A W. Is a universal galaxy.
I think it's galaxy.
Speaker 2: Right, galaxy Strata, sphere.
Speaker 1: Stratus, spear. Thanks Shane, But anyway, this is Kelson, This
is Shane D. Shane. What do you want to talk
about first?
Speaker 2: I mean Revolution, Let's talk about the show, dude, Like
you know, it's really frustrated. Like I'm gonna say this plane.
I think Revolution was fantastic. There are a lot of
people saying that this is a contender for pay per
view of the Year for all of professional wrestling, and
the big gripe is the headlining match, and we'll get there.
We'll get there. But like I think, all in all,
it was a fantastic event. I think they did a
lot for exposition. I did a lot. I think they
did a lot for storytelling, and I think that all
of the matches were really, really, really good, especially the
women's match. I mean the women's match currently, metrically, according
to Cage Matches, one of the highest rated women's women's
matches in the history of women's professional wrestling. It jumped
all the way up the top five.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh hey, the women's matches I thought were really good.
I thought Momo and Mercedes knocked it out at the
park too. Uh not. I mean, I'm sure you watched
the pay per view. You were in the live chat,
so unless you were making shit up as we were
going along, what did you What did you think.
Speaker 3: The women's matches? I really liked overall. I liked the
whole pay per view. Yeah, I liked a lot of
the storytelling. You know, I'm big on the storytelling, So
I liked the business between Swerve and Prince Nana. Don
Callus was really on point every time he was out there.
Speaker 1: And he was very callous, like yeah, very much.
Speaker 2: So what a bad night, family though, I mean like,
oh oh yeah, I mean like everybody lost. They set
up so many future stories and this path and Don
Callus ate more crap than anybody else.
Speaker 1: You don't want to want to ask both of you guys,
because Shane, you just said that they set up more
future stories. But do you think that Revolution wrapped up
some stories as well? And if so, which which ones
do you think wrapped up. You don't think that the
Mariah May and Tony Storm saga is wrapped up, at
least for now.
Speaker 2: If you're asking me, no, I don't think it's over.
I think that we just gave Mariah May a nuclear missile.
My god, guys in the history of women's professional professional wrestling,
like we were just given a treat. We were giving
something so special. This is how I wanna sell ninety eight.
We were like it was one of the This is
one of the greatest women's professional wrestling matches in history.
And I think this is gonna give Mariah May a
reason to come back. I think they're gonna put a
lid on it for a couple of weeks, and she's
gonna pop back into the picture. I think Tony Storm's
performance was top tier. I think, in my crappy, less
than humble opinion, Tony Storm is right now with the
goad of women's professional wrestling.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any doubt about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't.
Speaker 1: Even think w I don't even think WWE fans would
are argue that. I've seen plenty of WWE fans just
complimenting Tony Storm on everything she's doing. Of course, the
bad faith actors would say stuff like trash. You know,
put no effort into that. They say, you know, but yeah,
but you know what I'm saying. Yeah, So I'm going
to put you and Net on the spot here. Other
than let's let's not talk about Tony Storm and Mariah
May specifically right now, let's talk about the overall scope
of the of the pay per view. If you had
to pick one thing other than Mariah Man Tony Storm
that stood out for you, what was it.
Speaker 3: Let's see that's all you met.
Speaker 1: If you want, I'll say what I was gonna say. Okay, yeah, okay,
Well here's the thing that stood out for me. This
had this pay per view had like six matches that
were for titles. Of course, only one title switched hands.
We had one match it was a Number one contender match,
and then we had one match that was I guess
you would just call it a rivalry. That of course
was MGF and hang Man Attam Paige. I think the
thing that stood out for me was that aw proved
a revolution that you can have a meaningful match with
no title involved. I mean, Hangman and MGF put on
a banger and frankly speaking, the Swerve, Strickland and Ricochet match,
even though the number one contendership was up for grabs
on that I didn't feel like that was the centerpiece
of the I thought that the actual story that they
had built, as far as their you know, hatred, I
guess for each other, the rivalry that they established took
precedence over even the number one contendership. I literally watched
this match to see who's going to beat the crap
out of each other more, not wondering who is going
to come out as the number one contender for theaw
World title. So that's my thought. I just thought that
the two matches that really didn't have a title on
the on the line were terrific and it proved that
you don't have to have a title defense for a
match to be meaningful.
Speaker 2: Kelson say a lot of for people in the back,
because people, I mean people in the IWC are being
critical of the fact that some of these matches looked predetermined,
and unfortunately I have to be the guy to say that,
you know that there there's want to be controversy with
this pay per view because of the Queen of the
Ring ring stuff that happened at the end of the
pay per view with a person that's not even involved
with professional wrestling that was handed a microphone. I sure Swerve,
Strickland and Ricochet was a banger. Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely Flech
and Fletcher and Osprey absolute banger.
Speaker 1: Every that's right. That wasn't for a title either. That
just seemed like it was for a title. That seemed
like everything was on the line. I mean, how could
I forget Fletcher and Osprey? I apologize, you're geez.
Speaker 2: I did nothing to apologize, brother, nothing to apologize for.
This pay per view was built around building stories and
and moving stories forward. And even if you don't like
the story that's being told, they took some necessary liberties
in storytelling to move the book. I don't I like
i'd like in making statement. I don't know if I
should say, hey, man, like I with a with the
headlining match with with Mox versus Cody, I believe there's
a the greater community believes that Mox versus Cope sucked.
The match itself was fantastic. Adam Copman went out there
and murdered it, and the Christian came out there and
did his thing. It was a thing. But they did
one of the smartest things they could have done. They
squashed a stupid story, and unfortunately they did it in
a stupid way, but they did it in a smart
way to move the story forward, like, well, now we
have nothing but like a complete clean slate. It's a
clean slate for so many stories right now that I
think are gonna be really awesome.
Speaker 1: And I'm on the opposite side of the spectrum and
I and I'm going to say this for two reasons.
First of all, this story with John Moxley and the
Death Writers began in September of twenty twenty four, all out.
That's where Max he put the plastic bag over Brian
Danielson's head, didn't try to murder him. And if you remember,
for what two or three weeks after that incident, it
was like a running joke, who's going to get you know,
assaulted this week on AW I mean, who's what attempted
murderer is going to happen? And then that kind of
quieted down and the whole Death Writers thing became I
don't have to tell you, it became repetitive, It stagnated,
it became uninteresting, people lost interest in it. And I
can say that with confidence because I read the comments
on the aw fan Hub Subred and on the aw
fan Hub Blue Sky and on the Wrestling Hub Discord.
You know, some people stayed invested in it, giving it
their best shot. Even those people, some of them turned.
That's one of the problems that I had with this
match is that it was not It didn't do anything
to further the story if it made it more convoluted
to me and much more uninteresting. You yeah, Shane, what
you said is true. It went to a clean slate.
We now have a clean slate. They should have done
the clean slate in September because this slate should have
never been filled because it was stupid and it's just
like insulting of your intelligence. You know how bad this
story has been for months now. The second thing I
will say about this match, now you alluded, Shane, I
believe it was you'd had said that this match, well,
that the Osprey and Fletcher match should have been the
main event. You had matches that were verifiably bangers, very athletic.
There were a couple of matches that maybe were not
as much so, but they were still fun. And the
two matches that I'll point out are the Hurt Syndicate
and the Outrunners. It was a fun match, but there
was no doubt who was going to win that match,
and frankly, in the chats that we had, the match
went on a little bit too long. It should have
been a squash. It really should have. The other match
was Okata versus brody King. Brody King did a fantastic
job there, and it was a physical match. It was
a fun match, and there were a lot of as
Simon Miller would say, one two oohs. But look, we
all knew brody King wasn't gonna win that match. You know,
I don't think anybody picked the brody King to win this,
even though some people said that he should should have.
It would have been a good thing. And I agree
it would have been a good thing. It wouldn't necessarily
been a bad thing if Okata had lost. But the
problem that I had with the main event is that,
compared to the other matches, for me, Moxley and Hopeland
looked like they were being filmed in slow motion, and
only the accompanying commentary proved that it wasn't. It was
a slow match. It was a plotting match. It just
didn't fit with the rest of revolution. I've heard people
say that it should have been the first match, but
the first match was MGF and Hangman, and I called it.
If you remember last week, I did say MJF and Hangman,
We're gonna be the first match. But I'm gonna let
you guys talk now. But I do want to make
one other point, and this may be controversial, but I
truly believe this. Of the eight a W championship titles
or belts, yeah, well, titles because the trios have more
than one belt and so does the tag. But of
the eight AW championship titles, I honestly believe at this
point that the most insignificant of all the titles is
the AW World Championship by far, not even close, and
it should be the top priority championship. And it's not
how do you feel about how do you guys feel
about the championship? But how did you feel about this
match and everything else that went along with it? Because
to me, whatever happened at the end of this match,
it's just not even worth wasting my breath talking about Matt.
Speaker 2: You want to go first, I guess I'll go first. Okay,
do you want to go first.
Speaker 3: No, it's okay, go ahead.
Speaker 2: I think it's important to acknowledge that we as professional
wrestling fans, have spent most of our time as professional
wrestling fans watching the same product. I gotta be that person,
the WWE person, you know, like a lot of fans
don't have that distinction between how we were led to
believe these stories are supposed to be told because they've
been told the same way for so long, and how
things are happening when things are happening differently. Now I
understand the criticism. I understand the criticism with the headlining match,
I really do. And I understand not pulling this belt
off of John Moxley as well. I understand not putting
this belt on Cope or Christian, But I also understand
that it needed to be used as a device to
end the money in the bank clone that that that
has been stagnating in the story for so long, and
now we have again a clean slate for what's happening
with the aw World Championship. We had a couple belts
in this in this pay per view that traded hands.
That had to happen, and you can't say, hey, man,
like I don't be so entitled to believe as a
professional wrestling fan that things are supposed to happen because
they've happened the same way before in other places, other
promotions or with other championships. Like like, it is what
it is, and if you saw it come and cool man, like,
it is what it is. At the end of the day,
I think it was more important to drop the money
in the bank thing with Christian. I think it was
more important to give some relevance to John Moxley as
a competent champion and he is and he's gonna hold
this belt and he's gonna be a rock star and
he's fantastic and he should hold it because who's gonna
get him right now.
Speaker 1: That's the point that we'll talk about after we hear
Nett's point of view on this.
Speaker 3: Well, for me, I'm a little tired of all of
the belts, and I'm definitely tired of the death Riders.
They had something really good going on, like you were saying,
Kelson back in September, that whole thing with Danielson thrilled
me to no end, and they lost the momentum for that,
and ever since they lost that, they've lost me, and
I'm sure they've lost a lot of other people. I'm
starting to I don't know if it's from doing the
podcast or from having been a wrestling fan for so
very long, but I for when I'm starting to see
the predictability in things and being able to have a
pretty good idea of where aw is going with things,
and I don't like that so much. I like being
surprised and things going the opposite way that I thought
that they were. So I'm starting to feel like it's
getting a little bit stale. The matches are great, a
lot of the storytelling is great, but I'm beginning to
be able to follow what's going on and I wish
there was a little bit less of that. So they
need to find a way to turn that around for
those of us that kind of maybe have figured things
out so right, Yeah, that's yeah, That's kind of where
Revolution left me. Is like I could see a lot
of puzzle pieces falling into place.
Speaker 1: I wanted to go debt, if you wouldn't mind. I
wanted to go to our our audience really in the chat,
because they had a few things to say here. Jets
Fan says that Ricochet is going to cause Swerve to lose.
I assume he meant to Moxley when he does get
his World Championship title match. Steve had a couple of
comments saying that Jay White is in line to be
a contender I assume again for the aw World Championship.
But he did go on to say that Eddie Kingston
is going to defeat him. And then there's Benji who
just simply said, Swerves house, you know, and I think
you can't say whose house without responding with we could
do this for another hour.
Speaker 3: I think Swerve is going to come out on top again.
And oh that's something about he and Ricochet that I forget.
I love that they did that entire match and no
one got stabbed with scissors. I love that they did that.
Speaker 1: That that's a really really interesting point that I didn't
even think of.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I thought they were going to bring out
the scissors and they didn't, and that that.
Speaker 1: Guy wanted they wanted to make the screwdriver more special.
In all honesty, you know, let's let's talk amongst ourselves here,
and who do you think is going to be the
one to unseat John Moxley? And maybe more importantly, when.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean if you want that not. You made
a very poignant uh statement, like it's clear that Tony
Kahan is falling into this trope of mimicking former professional
wrestling stories. I'm gonna say it. I'm going to be
very very very clear in saying it. This. This isn't
anything that we haven't seen before. I think that Tony
considers All In to be his WrestleMania and that if
and when John Moxley drops, that's gonna happen at this
pay per view. If I were to take a wild
guest right now, I put the belt on Swerve.
Speaker 1: Why not.
Speaker 2: Swerve is convincing, Swerve is technical, Swerve is calculated, Swerve
is over, you know, and I think the only person
in the conversation to you know, really contest that would
be Hangman at a page. But that's why they put
him at the beginning of the pay per view, you know,
like like Hangman is now the guy again and they're
gonna build him up. So you got the final Boss
versus the Boss. Ricochet looked cool as hell in that match.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think he has a
greater lasting uh standing and going for a world championship
now I think he's going to be a continental and intercontinental.
He's going to be a mid card champion. That's what
Ricochet is. And I hate to.
Speaker 1: Say, what about what about the TNT.
Speaker 2: Title with Daniel Garcia.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're Ricochet beating Garcia for the talk for the
dn T title.
Speaker 2: Yo, dude, that's you know, cool man, cool idea. That's
all I could say.
Speaker 1: Out there.
Speaker 2: If Garcia isn't defending it on every single regular show,
why is that even a conversation? I mean, like, yeah,
I mean it's the same thing as the trios Yeah, yeah,
it's the same thing as the trios titles. Like like,
if it's not being defended, if they're not making them
look important, they're not important. And something you said at
the beginning of this conversation, Kelson, which I were that
and agree with completely, is that you know, the World
Championship is not the most important type, same thing with
the Women's World champion With the Women's World Championship is
now the most important women's world championship in the history
professional wrestling in AW The TNT Championship also is fantastic
now and something that could be defended in other promotions,
But the Men's World Championship in AAW looks like a
consolation prize that might belong to Wheeler you to someday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well look let's get the nets. Thoughts.
Speaker 3: Oh sorry, I'm having trouble with my mute. I don't
think that the Men's AW Championship is all that that
funny business with carrying it around in the briefcase. I
don't know. I like to see the belts. I like
them to hold the belts up and bow that they
have them, and have that arrogance about them, and you know,
defending the belt anywhere anytime anyone here. I am. I've
got the belt. I don't feel like that about the
Men's Championship, that they need to turn that around somehow.
I don't see Ricochet doing it. I can see Swerve
doing it, and I can see Hangman helping him do it.
That's what I think is going to happen, because Hangman
is starting to have that kindness to him and I
can see him wanting to uplift Swerve and help him
out a little bit, have Swerve be where he was
once upon a time. And they need to change it quick.
And I'm really tired of the trios beelts. That's something
that I feel like they can do away with, so.
Speaker 1: Especially since the holders at the Trio's belt are fa
out with injury.
Speaker 3: Now, yeah, they can do away with.
Speaker 1: The perfect, perfect opportunity to just say, you know what,
let's just give it ato Trio's belt.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I want to go to something that Benji said, Well,
actually Benji's brother in chat said, Uh. He says that
Swerve is going to win the AW World title at
Dynasty and then lose it to Hangman at him page
at all in it wishes that they melted the Trios
Championship down. Look, got I gotta say, I gotta say
really three things real quick. Number one, Net, I agree
with you one hundred percent that the AW World Championship
needs to be seen. The whole thing with mocks being
the physical embodiment of the World Championship is literally the
dumbest ship I've ever heard in my life, because it
is dumb. Uh. The second thing I'll say about that
is human beings things are extremely visual in what they
like and don't like. For example, men don't go out
men and women don't go out and buy the Sports
Illustrated Swimsuit issue to read the articles.
Speaker 3: That has articles.
Speaker 1: Allegedly allegedly. I mean there's pages that don't have don't have,
you know, bikinis on them and swimsuits on them, so
I've assume that they're either advertisements or articles.
Speaker 2: US don't do that because I'm gonna have to and
be crazy.
Speaker 1: The last, the last thing that I get to say
about this is that Swerve is now the number one
contender on this week's Dynamite. The show should open with
Swerve coming out, calling out John Moxley, squashing him in
thirty minutes, opening the briefcase, putting the belt around his
waist and get on with business. People are saying. Benjie
said that his brother said that Swerve should win it
at Dynasty and that some people are saying Eddie Kingston
at all in or whatever. That's way too long. I'm
sorry this needs to end now because I am adamant
about this. I don't have the numbers, but I know
as Look, I am as big an AW fan as
there is, okay uh, and I have no interest in
the AW World Championship right now. I have no interest
in John Moxley, I have no interest in the death Writers.
And this is somebody that was like over the moon
with the Blackpool Combat Club, the biggest fan at the
Blackpool Combat Club there was. But this whole shift it
same guys, but different story. This needs to end now
I know the.
Speaker 2: Period, the same guys, different story. Let's divert to the
trioers titles because in the past, when people have been injured,
they have lifted belts off of them and transition them
to other talents in the locker room and call them
intrim championships. So if we have someone that's going to
be out for an extended period of time, Tony, what
are you doing, bro, pull the trigger to drop the
title off of them. Put a tournament on and let's
get some trios going. In terms of John Moxley to
earn the championship, mox did the thing. Mox is the winner.
Max is gonna get He's the guy. Whether you like
it or not, Like that's the that's the thing that's
going on right now. You could hate it, and you
should hate it. You should hate it because that's what
they want you to do. And that's professional wrestling. How
many times had go ahead?
Speaker 1: I disagree with you, Shane, Yeah, they want you to
hate it. They don't want it, to hate it to
the point where you're not watching it. And I have
seen so many people, including myself, how many times have
I said it was that has said I. I literally
said this about the main event before it was announced
for Revolution. I hope that John Moxley against whomever he's
fighting is the main event at Revolution because I want
to go to bed early. I truly believe that this
storyline is losing viewers, it's losing interest in aw because
they devote so much time to it and it's not working.
Why would you watch any TV show that isn't working.
And it's to me, it's disrespectful to people like Swerve
and Ricochet and Tony Storm and Mariah May who are
putting their hearts and soul into everything that they're doing.
And then you have John Moxley and the death writers
come out and everybody that's been involved with it just
passionless bullshit. I'm sorry, that's the way I feel about it.
Speaker 2: Don't apologize. Man, You're not the only person that feels
the way. They'll like like the it invoked a feeling
out of you. That was what it was intended to do.
But you know what, that's the cool thing about professional
or wrestling that these situations are designed, are designed to
force fandoms to disagree. I I if I disagree with like,
I'll be the one person. Holy crap, am I gone? No?
Oh my god, the computers doing a weird thing like yeah,
I'm still here. Like, though I disagree with you, I
don't think that's the case. And I think that the
head I think that match needed to happen. I think
they needed to rip that money in the bank thing
away from Christian and put it on a different trajectory.
And I think that the death Riders needed to be relevant,
just so it gives context towards what the next step is.
If we're building factions, we could have the Bull Club
again with J White. J White was a factor in
this match, and and and Cope could be a fact
u U Cope having a faction of his own, but
that tr could be a factor as well. That could
you could build other stories out of these ideas. They
created a landscape for new ideas, and I think it's important.
Speaker 1: Agree with you. I agree, I absolutely agree with you.
I absolutely acknowledge it. But in my mind, the reason
and they had to get that money in the bank
contract off of Christian because it's you know, it seems
like it's it seems like he's had it since all
in uh, the first one in London. You know, I
don't know what he's had it for months, but yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be I'm gonna be honest with you as well.
I wanted when he catched it in. I wanted him
to win it because I like I and everyone would
hate the idea of Christian holding the world championship. But
that's cool as hell. You're getting something that's not happening
anywhere else wrestling. Let him come out of the woodwork
and take it off a mox with Cope in the background,
and give the rest of the locker room an opportunity
to rise up and do something crazy. I think the
only mistake they made in this uh, in this final
match was not putting this belt on Christian, doing the
TNA thing, doing the Bangkok thing. What's the capital? What's
the capital Thailand? It's Bangcock. They should have done the
same thing.
Speaker 1: They should I thought it was t. I thought it
was t.
Speaker 2: You watch more women's wrestling than once, it might be.
Speaker 1: You know, I know, I know all the capitals of
all the states and all the countries.
Speaker 2: So, oh, you know better than we do right now,
I I Kelson. Let me ask you, dude, if you
were to rate like a They rated this as a
five and a half star pay per view. The I disagree. Listen,
I'm gonna say something controversial. Ciskel and Ebert controlled the
rating system for movies for thirty six years. They were
the standard for rating movies and what people looked to
in newspapers before they went to see movies. I don't
I didn't agree with it then, but it existed for
a reason. Meltzer has been around forever. He's been reviewing
professional wrestling shows since the eighties. I think he has
a right to say what is good and what is not.
You he does, Yeah, well everyone who's a fan does.
That's it's fair. But this is a guy like it.
Look do you know about Meltzer's resume? Look at look
it up, dude. The dude's of political sciences major. That's
the thing. The dude is not an idiot. He's not
an idiot. Like he knows professional wrestling. He called Revolution
of five star pay per view. I think it was
a pot.
Speaker 1: Well, let's put it this way, wrestling is at its
best what it doesn't cater to, uh, rocket scientists. I
don't want to say that it caters to idiots, but
it caters to the everyman. It's an escape, it's escapism.
You know, you shouldn't have to think if you don't
want to. There should be enough in there that just
happens that you can enjoy and the story tells itself.
It doesn't have to be rocket science. And look, I
respect Dave Meltzer's ratings simply because he's a fan like
me and like you and like net. You know, he
gives his ratings. Sometimes I agree with him, sometimes I don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, honestly, I hard to refute that statement. Kelson.
I respect your opinion because you are the one of
the more educated people on our server on professional wrestling history.
You've been around for a long time. Brother, But like
I am intelligant, I'm just saying, trying to flew job,
just saying I'm bro I'm saying what it is, dude,
Like you were around for the w CW days.
Speaker 1: This brought for to Georgia Championship for Wrestling Days that
which that became essentially w cw S.
Speaker 2: Well, this pay per view was Bash at the Beach
ninety eight adjacent They this it was some of the
coolest matches that in professional wrestling that have happened in
the past three to six months happened on this pay
per view. My god, we're talking, We're killing We're talking
this uh this mox match to death. And I understand
the controversy, but let's talk about the the best match
on the whole entire card, the women's match in the
Ospray match. The women's match was, my guy, it was cinematic,
it was it was amazing. It's brilliant.
Speaker 1: You want you want to hear something controversial.
Speaker 2: Shane, dude, please do something right now.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say something crazy, right, I agree with you.
The Mariah May and Tony Storm match with cinema, it
was superb. It was fantastic. Absolutely, I am not saying
that it wasn't. I want to make that clear. The
Mercedes Monet and Momo Watana Bee match was better. That's
my idea. I love I love the striking in that match. Well,
let's face it, it was Momo doing the striking. She beat
the living hell out of Mercedes Monet. She destroyed her.
And I'm saying this. Understand that what I'm saying this
is that that's the kind of match I like. I
like the toe to toe beating the crap out of
each other match without doing those stupid chops. I hate
the chops, you know, you know, I mean, chops are
cool when you do two or three. When you do
one hundred and fifty six in a match, it's a
little much. Uh you know, I mean, you know, if
you want, if you ever having trouble sleep in a night,
count uh count tomohiro Ishi chops. But whether he's given
him or taking him, he doesn't matter. Whatever God forbid,
you put Eddie Kinks to the Tomo hero Ishi in
a ring together. Oh my god, it's the chop chop, chop, chop,
chop up. It's like boom.
Speaker 2: All right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is, I'm saying what I'm saying
not to be little in any way, shape or form.
The Tony Stormer Marian May match, which was fantastic, But
I'm saying that I actually enjoyed the Mercedes Monet and
mamo Ataaba match a little bit more because that's the
kind of match I like. To see.
Speaker 2: You know what, Kelson, You and I I've had the
privilege of being to talk to you for almost it's
a bit. But listen, don't go getting all sets and
mets on me. Brother. It's almost been two years that
I've had the PA. Don't go getting all sets and
mets A on me, Bob. But it's almost two years
that I've been on this or in and out on
this server, and UH, we've had our agreements and our disagreements.
But I'm gonna tell you right now that I I
believe the if if Momo and UH and Mercedes happened
on a Stardom pay per view, it would be just
as big as Tony Storm and Mariah May on the
aw pay per view, I think. And I'm gonna the
shade shades put it up. I'm gonna shades. What's up, dude?
By the way, how are you? And I hope you're
doing well. I'm gonna put you on right now, shades
through the metric onto the server earlier today, the Mercedes,
not the Mercedes, but the Tony Storm and Maria May
match is now metrically the fifth highest rated women's professional
wrestling match in the history of women's professional wrestling, and
the Momo and Mercedes match doesn't even touch it. I
I think that I think that's it's I think it's
the difference between an idea and a revolution. I think
that Tony Storm Might is a contender for the greatest
women's professional wrestler in the history history professional wrestling.
Speaker 1: And the absolutely agree with you. I absolutely agree.
Speaker 3: With you, Bro.
Speaker 2: The match they put on, well, what dude, the seeing
mo I get why seeing Momo in that match for
you as a stardom fed you. You should have a
completely different podcast for women's professional wrestling, Bro, because you
were putting them on hard as hell, and I wish
it would get a million viewers and you would blow
up and it would be monetized because you were so
passionate about it. I agree with everything that you're saying
about how important it was for Mercedes and moment I
had that match, and how good that match was. It
was a gray match, But dude, you're not gonna sit
here and tell me that that f and Tony Storm
and Mariah May wasn't better than that. Dude, it was.
Speaker 1: It was. I did not say that. I did not
say that it was. And if I did. I didn't
mean it that way. I do not did not say
that or mean to say that the Momo and Mercedes
match was better than the Mariah And it was what
I'm saying as as far if you take the one
match the matches themselves, throw the stories out the window.
I just enjoyed the Mercedes and Momo match just a
little bit better. Not it wasn't like, oh, the Momo
Mercedes match was so good and the Tony Storm and
Mariah Maymax sucked. No. I never said that. I'm just
saying that if I had to go back and watch
a match again, I would definitely watch the Mercedes and
Momo match because that's the kind of match that I enjoy.
Speaker 2: Can I ask you, would you have preferred if Momo won?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm gonna say this, Yes, I am
a stardom fan. I don't really get Momo Watanabe. I
really don't. Yeah, and no, I.
Speaker 2: Think that she was a mid card and she's a
mid card. Well.
Speaker 1: The thing with Momo Momo kind of how do I
put this? She kind of isn't like she's kind of
like Sasha Banks was in WWE. Sasha Banks was a
singles force but toward the end of her run with WWE,
go look at it. Look go look at her matches.
You know, her last year of matches at WWE, she
was doing nothing but tag team matches pretty much. That
was all she did. I don't think she had a
singles match. If she did have a singles match in
her last year, it was maybe one or two. And
that's kind of way MoMA was. MoMA was a singles
force when she came in to stardom, but then she
kind of just became a tag team or trios wrestler
and she had I believe in all of I did
look it up, and I may be wrong here, but
I believe she had one singles match in like twenty
twenty four and that was a loss to Mayui Watani
and that was it. She's not a singles wrestler, so
taking that into consideration, she used to a singles wrestler,
but taking the consideration that she's not a singles wrestler, really,
Eddie Moore, that made this match even more impressive to me.
But I will say this, Shane, to answer your question,
I am not a Momo well taught to be fan.
I don't think she's bad don't get me wrong. I
just think that excuse me, I got take ups. I
just think that there's so many women in stardom who
were so much better than Momento.
Speaker 2: I agree. I couldn't agree with that statement more so,
I'm gonna show I'm gonna do my Shane thing really quick. So,
like you know, we know that Sasha Banks premiered in
WW like she earlier in her career. In two thousand
and eight, she was with Kadok for Wrestling and which
Masters it was a Massachusetts based wrestling promotion, and then
she entered WW in twenty twelve and NXT. She was
a singles wrestler until twenty eighteen, and she and in
twenty fifteen she was was with Team Bad and she
wrestled a little bit. But like you're you're not wrong
in the aspect of she spent the better part of
her career, the more established part of her career, the
more successful part of her career. She was a tag
team wrestler. That's the thing, rob with Naomi. With Naomi,
yeah for sure, But like the majority of her career
was spent with her being a singles wrestler. I mean
with MoMA, but it's the same thing for Momo. You
made you I think you accidentally made that comparison between
the two of them because their careers kind of mirror
each other, because Momo kind of did the same thing
at stardom. She started as a singles got into a faction,
and then you know, ended up landing in other promotions
as a singles performer. I honestly, now making the statement
about the history, I would say that like moving on, Like, uh,
if you wanted to do something monumental with Mercedes Monai's titles,
you would have taken the TNT title off of her
at this uh pay per view. If we're having serious crop,
we have rustled Dynasty coming up and forbidden Door, you know,
within the next six months, Dude, let her, let Mercedes lose.
I get that you're Tony Tony. I get you paid
for it. I get you paid for her to be here.
I get that she's a name. I get that she
was huge. You know the Riot squad, dude, the Riot
Squad like it was a it was Ruby Soho, Siah Logan, Live,
Morgan and Mercedes Mona. I get how big that was
for you. But like now it's time to kind of
shake up the industry a little bit. I would have
put that belt on Momo. I wouldn't have thought twice
about it. I would not like it. Yeah, like that.
That would have been the thing to do, because now
we now we have a title for AW that's being
defended in other promotions, and that's what we've been looking
for in the inter Continental tru Tuttle that now we're begging.
We have two intercontinental titles for the men in AW
that we want to be defended in other promotions. That's
not happening, but we've defended the women in New Japan.
That was an opportunity and the ball was dropped. I
think stardom. Stardom should have been put over here.
Speaker 1: You know one thing I wanted to say, Shane, Shane,
I wanted to address something you said, and then we'll
go to net and get her. You know, you said
something about Mercedes me it's time for Mercedes Monet to lose.
And I can't agree with you more, not because of
any dislike for Mercedes Monett, but because it's good for
the story. And I will give you this example, the
Mariah May and Tony Storm match and matches their trilogy
of matches was made Well, no, there's not a true
was it three matches or four three three? Okay? Yeah,
so it is a trilogy. There are trilogy of matches.
Was made better because Mariah May won. Yeah, because because
if Tony Storman won all three then there really wouldn't
have been a point than having the other two matches.
You know, well, there would have been a point, but
it would have made it special. There would have been
anything on the line. And that's the thing with Mercedes Monet.
If she loses the TBS Championship, she could then go
after the Women's World Championship. She could go after the
TBS Championship again, and it'll be something that will put
you on your edge of your seat when that happens.
Losing the championship, losing the TBS title for Mercedes Monet
is not a bad thing, and it's not a slight
against Mercedes at all. She's still Mercedes Monet, one of
the greatest professional wrestlers that you know, women wrestlers, arguably
professional wrestlers you know of all time, So least in
her mind.
Speaker 2: I think aw figured Wing out. I'm going to say it.
I think they figured it out. I think Tony figured
it out in the past three months, and I think
that I, I official, well, we were so critical of
what was happening in AW with the women's wrestlers in
the women women's locker room, and I think we're finally
I'm I think that we're finally in a place to
say that some of the best things that are happening
in women's professional wrestling are happening in AW right now,
and Tony figured out how to put them over and
I think removing some people from the picture was what
made it great. And I think that the direction that
they're headed in is going to be epic and I
and I'm I'm I'm going to say something real weird.
I'm not a politics politics guy. I don't think that.
I think in a in a perfect where that a
women's world title and a men's world title exists in
the same space, make it great, make it great for
both people, make it great for both sexes. I think
Tony has an opportunity to show the world that the
women are doing just as good. And I think that
putting these two women together on this pay per view
proved that completely. The dude, this women match literally like
literally now metrically is considered to be the fifth greatest
women's professional wrestling, the best women's wrestling match in North America,
and the fifth greatest women's professional wrestling match metrically on Earth.
But I would very strongly say that this is one
of the greatest women's wrestling matches of all time. And
I know that Momo and Mercedes deserve their spot on
the their spotlight in the sun, dude, and I think
it's going to come. But I think they need to
develop this middle title first, get it off of Mercedes,
put Mercedes in the world title spectrum, and let someone
else from another company hold an a w title. And
that's it's That's what's gonna make it look irrelevant. And
until that happens, why have middle those middling titles?
Speaker 1: Before we go to net that. I apologize that for
just keeping I want to stay.
Speaker 2: I went crazy. I apologize, but.
Speaker 1: I want I wanted to make a point here. As
Shane said, I am a Startom fan. One of the
greatest things about Stardom for me is that they have
a way of storytelling. And what I mean by that
is I don't speak Japanese at all. I know Sayonara
and hi from watching you know Karate Kid and stuff
like that. But but I guess my point is is
that I want stardom, and I understand everything that's going
on in their shows. I understand their promotions because they're
expressive their body language. You understand what's happening. And when
the Mercedes and Mama match was happening, that was a
start of match. That was a pure stardom match from
beginning in the striking, the brutality of it was started
from an end. But when you think about it, so
was the Tony Storm and Mariah May match. That was
stardom theater right there. I mean, I think if you
like Tony Storm and you like Mariah May and the
matches that they've put on and the story that they've
put on, and you've never watched stardom before, go on
to start them YouTube channel and do yourself a favor
and watch a few of their fewer their highlights, and
I think you'll be impressed. Net I really wanted to
want to see you ground us and keep me and
Shane quiet. They're calling for you in the chat saying
we want to hear a nuts take. I mean, sleep,
dazzle us with your eloquence.
Speaker 3: Oh, my eloquence. I loved the Mercedes Momo match. I
absolutely did. I feel like Momo should have won that
match as well. I think we need to take some
of these aw titles, and like you all were saying,
let them go around in the different promotions and be defended.
Not everybody has to come to a w to challenge
for titles. We can go other places and do other things.
I think Mercedes is a fantastic wrestler. She aggravates me
on a personal level, but she's good in the ring.
And I would like to see more women's matches, more
defense of the women's belts in like I said, in
other places, and Tony Kahan is on the diverge of
doing it, and if he plays it right and does
it right, we can have fantastic women's wrestling and I
would love to see it for one. So I hope
that we get more out of this, and Mercedes has
a lot of belts to defend, so the possibility is there.
I just want to see it. So that's my eloquent take.
Speaker 1: Well, Bet, I'm going to ask you a point blank question.
Now that Tony Storm has defeated Mariah May and had
her Hollywood ending who do you think is or who
do you think are the top contenders that you would
like to maybe like see face Tony Storm at Dynasty
which is coming up really soon, and even all in
what do you see in Tony Storm's future leaving Mariah
May out of it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, m I'm not sure. I personally really like Chris Stantlander,
so I would like to see more of her, And
I don't know with Tony's Storm, I don't I really
don't know.
Speaker 1: What about you, Shane, do you have any ideas? Nope?
Speaker 2: I honestly think that the women's professional wrestling landscape and
ae W was recent set by this and whatever happens happens,
and I'm gonna ride with it because they figured out
what works and it and it looks fantastic right now. Yeah,
you can't put you can't put on you can't put
on the great I I have a bull Nanako China
like like like I like, I can't, I can't say
more dude, like like Alexa Bliss. We've had the privilege
of seeing some fantastic women's wrestlers in women's wrestling, but
they but they put that in a category like it's
a niche thing. Tony Kahan took it and said, hey,
this is a human thing. It's a real thing. Let's
rock with it. This is one of the best women's
women's matches in the history of professional wrestling. I don't
care what direction it goes in. It's gonna be great
whoever they put up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, here here's my thoughts. And I think
I've expressed this before. I believe it was in twenty
twenty two when the AW Women's World Championship was vacated
due to injury by thunder Rosa, and afterward Tony Storm
became the interim Women's Championship champion by winning a I
believe it was a four way, maybe it was a
three way, but you want a multi women match to
become the interim world champion, which eventually was changed to
full World champion because thunder Rosa was injured and could
not come back. And again, you know, it's weird because
thunder Rosa and Tony Storm were tag team partners. They
were Thunderstorm together. Now taking into consideration that thunder Rosa
never lost that championship and has never faced Tony Storm
for that champion and all In is in Houston, Texas,
which just seems to me. As far as all End goes,
they've got to do Tony stormanth On the Rosa. That
that's my prediction. So I mean, but look, I mean,
I as far as Mariah May goes, I think she's
just gonna take a little bit of time off. She
deserves it. She's been a workhorse for this. This story
has been going on for sixteen months. Sixteen months, nearly
a year and a half. That's how good it's been.
It was wonderfully paced and everything. I mean, you could
ask for more from this story in my opinion, and
I'm sure other some people may disagree with me, but
I don't think anybody on this panel will. He will
at all. But I kind of see, you know, I
think it was I can't remember who it was posted
it in Chad. I'm scrolling to see, Uh it was
it was Jets fan who said I wish that they
would melt the Trio's belts down and pretend they never existed. Yeah.
I agree, and they should immediately melt them down and
create the AW Women's Tag Team Championship titles. And there
are so many tag teams that if you've been paying
attention to AW they have been building these tag teams
over the last several weeks. Maria May now is free
to go get her tag team partner. And who's her
tag team partner? Mina Shirakala Rose Gold do it. That's
what the That's what I think's next for Maria May do.
I think that Maria May and Mina Srikala will win
the championship. Probably not because Mina Shirkala is under contract
for another closed period of time with Stardom. But it's
good story. It's there, It's right there in front of
your face, you know, so let's do it. Other than
we've talked for a just an amazing amount of time
about the women, and I'm not complaining about it. I
love women's wrestling, and I really do, and they deserve
to be talked about. And I hope Tony con realizes that.
But I want to talk about Let's go to will
Osprey and Kyle Fletcher, not.
Speaker 2: Tedny and Takesha.
Speaker 3: I want to talk about Kenny and Takesta.
Speaker 1: You want to talk about Teddy, Let's talk about Kyle
and that I got to be honest with They had
me when they settle low. What I mean by that
is when they came out for their entrances. Kyle Fletcher
came out first, climbed up to one corner of the
steel cage, and then and then uh will Osfrey came
out to a different version of his music. He climbed
to the other edge of the steel cage. When they
actually hit his original music and the fans started chanting Osprey.
I thought it was subtle, subtle, but brilliant.
Speaker 4: That as Osprey was waving to the crowd to encourage them,
the Osprey Osprey, at the very same time Kyle Fletcher
was over there plugging his ears.
Speaker 1: I just thought it was brilliant. I just thought it
was I thought that was brilliant. I was laughing my
ass off at Look, wrestling doesn't need to As I
said earlier, you don't have to be a rocket scientist
to joy wrestling. That was one of the simplest and
maybe even the dumbest thing that could have possibly happened.
I loved every second of that. And then you had
the match, and then you had the match.
Speaker 3: Yea.
Speaker 1: You know, the only thing I could say bad about
the Tony Storm and Mariah May match and will Osprey
and Kyle Fletcher match is that you can't post any
pictures of them on Reddit because they'll just take them
down because it was too much blood.
Speaker 2: Oh oh god, those God, it was a it was
almost a smut film like, especially for the women. And
I don't I don't know if they blade it or
what happened in that situation. It just but god, it was.
It was violent, but I think it was violence negating violence.
It was a necessity in terms of Ospirey and Fletcher.
That's got a five point seven rating on Cage Match.
Ospirey has I listen, hate me for saying it, Hate
me for hate for hate me for quoting uh Dave Meltzer,
hate me for using this as a rest reference. I
don't give a shit. I'm gonna say it plain as day.
If you're gonna look at me and tell me that
the Osprey and Fletcher match wasn't one of the greatest
cage match Dude. That Spanish fly is comparable to the
Mankind Undertaker Helena cel ninety eight Mankind getting thrown off
into the into the Spanish announced desk. It is comparable
to that moment that Spanish fly they hit looked like
someone might have died when they landed. On that fucking match.
Oh excuse me, I'll stop hold then, Okay.
Speaker 1: Go ahead.
Speaker 2: Them hitting that spot was compared terrible to the nineteen
ninety eight Hell in a Cell where where man thrown
off the steel cage. It was it was comparable, dude.
There's there's no getting around that, dude. It was one
of the hardest spots hitting pro wrestling history. This was
a landmark match. I don't care what your preferred flavored
professional wrestling is. This was one of the greatest steel
cage matches in the history still cage matches.
Speaker 1: Did you watch ups and downs either of you for
the show from a Revolution from Simon Miller?
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, I watch everything selling as Simon Miller does. I
love him?
Speaker 1: No? I love Mike, but yeah no. But he mentioned
specifically that Spanish fly and he mentioned that he wrestled
over the weekend I guess or within the last week
and he had a Spanish fly hit on him and
he is scared to hell. I think he bit his
tongue and he said it his Spanish fly was done
off the top rope. And he said, do you realize
how tall a w steel cages are? And he said
when he saw that move. I can't remember what he said,
but it was comparable to I thought these two men
were going to die. I do not think it was
comparable to the Hell in the Cell spot, Shane, that was.
Speaker 2: Brother. We both saw it in real time. I am
old enough to say that I saw it in real time.
I know you saw it in real time. How is
it not comparable? No one expected it. What happened. And
you're talking about the difference between someone falling.
Speaker 5: Off of off of a cage situation, situation or a
cell situation and then hitting a Spanish fly Dude, this Yeah,
this was one of you.
Speaker 1: No, I agree with you that, but it just didn't
have the wow for me. Uh, not as much it was. No,
it was a wow moment.
Speaker 2: There were no tags for the Hell in the Cell
they like listen, I have recent Dark Side of the
Ring and I just uh showed some promos from the
next first season six what's up? Watch it? But like
when they hit that spot for Helen a cell with
Mankind and the Undertaker like that, what Like, it's a
different type of dangerous. It's a different type of dangerous
because they were protected, more protected with the Hell in
a Cell spot than they were with will Ospry.
Speaker 1: Hellen the cell came first. That was that was specially.
Speaker 6: I'm trying to phrase it to where I don't take
away from what Kyle Fletcher will Osprey did because it
was spectacular, it was wonderful, it was wow.
Speaker 1: But for me, you're not. I just don't think it is.
Speaker 2: You don't think it's comparable at the very least comparable.
Speaker 1: I would go so much to say that if the
ladders were two feet higher. The spot that it's comparable
to for me, more comparable to to me is Semi
Kovar Stunner from Ladder to Ladder on Cody Roads for
the TNT Championship Man the tt Championship match.
Speaker 2: I saw that live in Cleveland, Bro, that happened, happened to.
Speaker 1: My home to me, Okay, understand this, understand this. I
just want to say something real quick to me. That
Stunner prompt that Spanish fly. Do you say that right now?
Speaker 2: Do you think that edge Adam Copeland hitting uh Jeff
Hardy on that ladder match was harder than that?
Speaker 1: I didn't see it, Bro.
Speaker 2: That's wrestling history, Okay, I mean I listen, I get it.
I get your perspective, BRO, but I think that Spanish
fly might would have been that's probably I get the
Sammy Guvara Cody Roads thing went hard. I have the
privilege of being able to see that live in my
hometown of Cleveland, Ohio. But like, I really believe that
that that went way harder than that.
Speaker 1: Well, I would said I'm a little bit biased because
of all the spots ever done in aw that's a bigavar.
Cody Roads thing is my favorite spot and I'll always
have a spot for it. I do want to ask Benji,
if he's still here, and I think he is in
our in our chat, if he would respond to this,
and I'll once he responds, I'll let you know. There
was a he was in the crowd at Revolution and
when Will Osprey was bleeding the on TV at the
pay per view they showed I thought this was a
pretty poignant moment. Is they showed him with blood streaming
down his face and you could hear the collective gasp
of the crowd, And I wanted to ask Beggie, wasn't
as loud as it sounded on TV that gasp? But anyway, Matt,
what are your thoughts on this?
Speaker 3: I love that match. I did they were doing some
phenomenal things. I like the fact that Fletcher wore those
knee pads that had Osprey's blood on them. Uh, just
the way they were behaving towards one another. I just
loved the whole thing. That Spanish fly was amazing. It's
one of the best things I've seen. I'm right there
with Shane on that one. I just I just loved it.
I thought the whole thing was just great, that that
was really really good. So I don't know, just me.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Beggie, by the way, did answer the question, and
he said, simply, when it came to the crowd's gasp
at seeing I assume on the big screen will Osbury's
face dripping with blood, was the gasp loud? He said,
it was simply, but it was. Oh, let's move on
to thea Kashta, that gorgeous, being lovely and and Kenny Obega.
What the hell?
Speaker 3: I want to mention that there were so many hipo
violations during that entire match. I'm surprised they weren't fine
callous having hold of Kenny's medical records, and all everyone
did is talk about where Kenny was was hurt, and
just on and on. I thought they were going to
get in trouble.
Speaker 1: But can I ask you a question? Yeah, did you
know that Kenny Omega had two feet of his intestines removed?
Speaker 3: I had heard that. I thought it might be a
vicious rumor on the internet. So yeah, see, Shane is
even shocked that it happened.
Speaker 1: By the way, By the way, Shane, Shane, did you
know that Kenny Omega had two feet of his intestines reboot?
Speaker 2: No idea. I haven't seen a single Kenny Omega match
until I.
Speaker 1: Mean, you can make a drinking game out of that statement.
Speaker 2: Kenny Omega is my favorite professional wrestler, uh and I
I resonate with him because like, uh, like, I'm a weirdo.
I follow Kenny Omega on the level. I watch his
uh youtubes, I watch his twitch streams. We played the
same video games. Weren't the same RPGs? Kenny Omega rules, Yeah,
this match was. Kenny Omega is the best seller of
moves in the history professional wrestling and takeshtra. Holy crap,
this match was fantastic. The like we might get another
Kenny Omega belt collector run, it doesn't even matter this
this could be a revolution for professional wrestling. I'm on
a tangent. I'm sorry. I love, I love, I love,
I loved this match. I love, I love Kenny, I
love Takeushta, I liked. I thinksha is fantastic.
Speaker 1: I think I was lost. I love the Kenny, but
I was sad that I didn't want anybody to lose
this match.
Speaker 3: I didn't either, and I just wanted them just to
be be, just be there and just let it just be.
Speaker 1: That was just great.
Speaker 2: But no, but ae W was Listen. One of my
favorite a W matches was a dark match with Joey
Janella and Kenny Omega and they dude, Kenny is going
to give us the best matches all the time forever.
He did it in Japan, he did it and developmental
for excuse me, he did it and did a developmental
for Ring of Honor and w w E. Kenny is
going to give us the best matches forever. He is fantastic.
He For those of you that don't believe that he
is not capable of cutting a promo, He's not scripting promos.
Kenny is Kenny when he cuts his promos, accept it.
I want Kenny to have this belt and rocket. I
want him to get the other belts and Rocket. I
want him to unify these intercontinental titles. I want I
want to see Kenny do Kenny this way.
Speaker 1: What about Taqshta? What do you think's next for Taqueshta?
Speaker 2: Now he's headed to Japan, Yeah, I think he's He's
signed with New Japan. Dude, He's gonna go run a
faction in Japan and be a rock star and it's
gonna be great. There are dude, he's one of those
Japanese wrestlers that and he's young. He's going to have
a job forever and he's fantastic. Yeah great, let him
rock it out, dude. This is a let nature take
its core situation.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, what's your thoughts here on this? Uh Net?
Speaker 3: I think Takesha will go over to Japan for a while.
It's unfortunate that he probably won't take Don Callous with him.
But I love Kenny Omega. I've loved Kenny Omega forever
and I think that he is going to unify those titles.
I'm really looking forward to that match, and I'm I'm
just glad that Kenny is back. I was honestly looking
a little bit for some surprise support for Kenny in
the form of a bushie. But I'm glad that they
didn't do it and just let Kenny be out there
by himself telling his story. Uh, and Takesha looked fantastic.
He is by no means a lesser wrestler. He is
great and he has many, many years of being great
ahead of him. So I just loved it. I love
just about everything that Kenny Omega does.
Speaker 1: You know I got you know that you brought up
something and I got to say something and I would
probably get banned from podcasts were saying this. I'm gonna
say it anyway because I have a question for you.
This is so tasteless, but it's just, oh no, it's
so me. You know, you brought up Don Kallus not
going to Japan with Takeshta. Yeah, what if he did?
My question is if Don Kallas goes over to Japan
and he's on Japanese TV, would the Japanese production crews
have to pixelate the vagina on Don Kallis's forehead.
Speaker 3: I wish we'd pixelated it here. Oh God, whatever happened
to that podcast you all were doing.
Speaker 1: I just this is just the way my mind works
once I get up, once I got it in my head,
I had to say it. I apologize to everybody for
saying that, because now you know where my mind is.
I think I killed Shane.
Speaker 2: So I'm.
Speaker 1: Done.
Speaker 2: I'm out, goodbye. I have a good eye, guys, I'm out.
Speaker 1: You know I want to I want to change gears.
I know how to keep Shane involved because I'm gonna
bring up this buddy. I'm gonna bring up his buddy,
Dave Meltzer.
Speaker 2: No, I can't say the F word on these podcasts.
Get the f out of here. No, dude, you're not
going to bring up Meltzer. Leave him alone. He's he's
too busy, bigger critic in an autodideck. Leave him alone.
Speaker 1: No, he didn't. He did come out with the story.
Uh that uh is actually kind of interesting. Look n
C Double A Basketball March Madness is it's March, so
it's starting and of course yeah so yeah, so.
Speaker 2: Like mostly in the March right now. It's not like,
oh shit, like we're mostly in the March.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. What I'm saying is that the March Madness,
which is the n C Double A basketball tournament is
uh is coming and it's coming to t n T,
which of course is the home of a W Collision.
So the news coming out today is that it is
going to affect the Ncuba tournament, is going to affect Collision,
And this is really interesting. What affected WW on March
twenty second and March twenty third, which is two weeks
from now, Collision runs on the same night as well.
Collision would run on the same night as the Ncuba tournament.
What ALW is, what AW has decided to do is
that they are going to tape the Collision on Wednesday
night in Omaha during obviously after Dynamite, Okay, They're going
to break it up into two separate shows, and they
are going to air them on the twenty second and
twenty third, which is a Saturday and Sunday after the
Ncuba Basketball Tournament games. Now, those games start at eight o'clock,
so you're looking at probably eleven o'clock. You're gonna have
a one hour Collision on Saturday night, the twenty second,
and a one hour Collision at Sunday night on the
twenty third, both of them starting at probably eleven PM.
And the reason they're doing that is to make them
one hour shows. Is because they feel that if the
show starts at eleven eleven PM, you're gonna lose most
of your audience by the time the show's over at
one am, so they're separating into two shows. I mean,
I think that's a pretty interesting decision for AW to do.
Speaker 3: What do you guys think, Try it and see what happens.
Speaker 1: Then, I don't know. Well, the other well, the other
interesting thing is is that if for some reason the
eleven pm start, look you're getting, you're getting a great
lead in right from the NCAA tournament. So I don't
think that that can be really used as a factor
in the barometer of this. But if the one hour
show works, why not do Shockwave at eleven pm after
Collision on Saturday night or whatever, or a ten pm
it after Collision on Saturday night. You never know. So
I just thought that was interesting, Shane. You had brought
up something earlier about well Camille and Wardlow.
Speaker 2: Oh god, oh please listen. I'm a psychopath. I've broken
news on here that has actually been real, and I
don't want to be this guy. I just I like
spend like I'm obsessed with professional wrestling and I love
the sport and I love the idea of it, and
I will never stop doing what I do. I'll be
a menace forever.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So like Camille or where do you want me to
start with Wardler?
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, whatever you want.
Speaker 2: Wardlows from Ohio. He's out there in Los Angeles, like
shooting movies, movies, I think, I think, but he but
the but they didn't say movies. They said Wardlow's doing
projects quote unquote. He that that that's what he's doing
right now, and uh, it's uh, it's comparable to guys
that top, guys that like look like bad guys in movies,
and that's what he's doing. I think the moment more
intriguing thing is the Camille story. So I was doing
research today on Camille and Camille is in trouble. She's
in trouble because, uh, she is how do I say
this respect I don't know how to say disrespectfully. She's
being ghosted by her She's being ghosted by her boss
because she's an asshole and no one wants to deal
with her because she expected to get things from Tony
Kahan that she's not getting and no one's talking to her.
She still works for aw she's still getting paid, but
but she's been getting ghosted by her boss.
Speaker 1: And the first time that this has ever happened in AW,
isn't I.
Speaker 5: This?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well, well Camille had some things to say about AW
after she didn't agree with her where her from a
creative direction was headed, and she had some things to
say about this a couple of months ago, and it
went by the wayside and everyone got really quiet about it,
and it's stagnated, and this is where we're at right now.
So the the rumor, I'm not going to say it's
a fact. I'm not saying I have breaking news. I
have to say this because I was quoted by SRS.
I just had to say it plain in his day,
like this is the This is just like for me
digging in like she is not. She's not doing too
good right now, So like what's the thought on that?
Speaker 1: Well, you know, look, I've said it before and I've
said it again. You know, when it came to like
the CM punk stuff and all that. This is the
way I look at it. I think he's a wrestler.
I think he I think he was a whipping boy
in UFC too.
Speaker 2: But look, look, this is the way that you stand
punk was the reason you and I didn't talk for
two months, Like I fell out of the fan hub
community because I went on full Tinfoil had bullshit over seampunk,
but Camille, like I thought.
Speaker 1: That was funny anyway. But anyway, but this is the
way I look at stuff like this, Shane Buddy, when
it comes to seem punk and anything that said, backstage
reports and stuff like that, if I'm not there, I
don't care, meaning I don't care to give my opinion
on something because I don't know. I mean, we could speculate,
but that just makes an ass out of you and
me because we're just assuming stuff. We're not talking about facts.
That's that's really my stance on it. I mean, I
really when the whole CM punk and Jack Perry and
Tony Kahan thing went down, people were just spewing stuff
like they were backstage. I wasn't, so I didn't have
an opinion.
Speaker 2: Well, Jack Perry's coming back, Camille's not, and Camille's been
public about her. Camille has been very public about her
relationship to the promotion she's signed to, which makes no
sense because why slammed the person who's sign and page
checks dude, like like that's the thing. And it's like, Camille,
you came from NWA Billy Corgan's promotion, which NWA is
fun and they have a lot of cool stuff going
on over there, and I would like to see, you know,
and I want to see all. I love AW. But
but my perspective on professional wrestling is that I want
to see everyone blow up. I want to see GCW
blow up Jason, I'm not Juggalo. I want to see
j CW blow up. Yes, seen Steven flow yet he's
fun as hell, Like I want to see people blow
up in other promotions. And she chose to get involved
with ae W and then and then after she wasn't
getting what she wanted from the promotion, she slandered them
on on the media. That's what That's what happened. That's
exactly what happened. That's a fact.
Speaker 1: Well, maybe it wasn't that she didn't get what she
wanted from the vote from the promotion, or was it
that the promotion wasn't get what they wanted out of her?
You know? Again, That's that's the point I'm making, is
like I wasn't there, so I don't know what was
going on. I don't know what was said. I don't
know the details of her contract. I don't know if
for all we know Mercedes said, look, I don't want
to work with this person anymore.
Speaker 2: Why would Mercedes say that she's working with she's.
Speaker 1: We don't know.
Speaker 2: Mercedes, Mercedes, Mercedes relented the willow overseas she put over
some Mercedes is a consonant for professional Kelson. I spoke
out against Mercedes Monette hard as f when she got signed,
and you were the person that was like, hey, Shane,
by the way, she's the reason that women's wrestling is
becoming more relevant. Aw I literally had to take a
step back and look into that and that you were
one hundred percent right, dude. Camille is a person, and
she is a hardworking person and a hard working professional
that has indiscretions with her boss that are clearly not
being resolved. That's a thing. It's evident. It's a thing.
I'm sorry, I'm saying it. I'm saying it on the
podcast behind a microphone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, something's going on, something's going.
Speaker 2: On, something's going on, something, something's going on. But is
it that important that we need to have like like
this was just supposed to be like a point in
the podcast, like, is she that important? No, she was
an NWA champion, she had the opportunity to be a
bigger thing in aw and she's got problems with their
boss that she hasn't resolved yet. So figure it out
and be there. People want to see you wrestle. You
could either be a presence for your fans or you
could relegate yourself back to a mid car promotion run
by a guy in the Smashing Pumpkins. Yeah, yeah, like
and do the Smashing pump melancholy And they've been in
sickness ruled but do they.
Speaker 1: Well, let's have some fun, you know, get off of
this kick. What do we think the Wardlow is doing
right now that he's doing these what are the events.
Speaker 2: We are You know, he's playing movies. He's playing a
bad guy in BYD movies and I hope he is Okay,
have any ideas.
Speaker 3: I don't know what word though is doing. It could
be a number of things.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I have no idea.
Speaker 1: One thing he's not doing is wrestling. I mean he
had at a match schedule that he was pulled from it.
Uh so that maybe when that happens that generally means
a return. Uh. Personally, I think word though has been
gone because and of course I want to preface this
by saying this is pure Kelson speculation. And when I
say Kelson's spelation, you can replace Kelson speculation with one
word stupid. So I think that Wardlow is, as Shane said,
filming not nine but a movie. Uh. He is doing
the Richard gear role in Pretty Woman with Sidney Sweeney
and the Julia Roberts role.
Speaker 2: Oh god, why can't I say the effort on this podcast, Kelson?
That's exactly you know what I'm not gonna do. I'm
not gonna do Shane, Shit, that's what you think about.
Speaker 1: You've seen You've seen Wardlow in a suit. The dude
looks like your rich playboy bro.
Speaker 2: He worked at the bar I get myself, you know,
you know, I got my I was. I get myself
in trouble for talking about stuff.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: Hey Wardlow, I've seen you in a suit at the
Barley House at West Sixth in downtown Ohio.
Speaker 1: Dude, way, well, well, well, well, what what's the thing?
Speaker 2: Don't dude? That's a thing.
Speaker 1: That's a thing you gotta say I don't know. I
don't have to. You're gonna make me look it up.
Just tell me what the Barley house is inquiring.
Speaker 2: A bar owned by a douchebag dude. He cut Wardlow
cut his He cut his jib in the Pennsylvania like
my book, Tyler, Listen.
Speaker 1: You're not saying anything. Listen, I need a.
Speaker 2: Second to get my words together, Like Wardlow was built
out of the Pennsylvania system. And he was built out
of the same system that Adam Cole and Britt Baker
came out of. And and he is a rock star,
and we I want Wardlow back. I believe that he
has the potential to be a top guy in aw
but but he's habitually injured. He is seven foot something,
what is he six?
Speaker 1: I don't think he's that big. He just looks tall.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, let's let's listen. I have no evidence as
to what Wardlow is doing in Las Vegas. I only
know that he's an Ohio guy. That's what I know.
He's been there.
Speaker 1: Speaking of returns, how excited are we about Eddie Kingston.
I mean he's been.
Speaker 3: Oh God, I am beside myself. Give you with joy.
Speaker 2: Kelson's doing a bed.
Speaker 1: I'm out.
Speaker 2: What can I guys?
Speaker 1: What are you look?
Speaker 3: I don't know why Edie.
Speaker 2: I won't be a co conspirator to this. I'm out.
I'm out.
Speaker 1: And disrespect.
Speaker 2: What do you mean? I'm showing brother, I love you.
I'm not showing you no disrespect. I am out of this.
Speaker 1: I love Eddie Kingston.
Speaker 3: To this podcast so he knows.
Speaker 2: I hope everybody listens to this podcast because they should.
This is like these these spaces are important for professional
wrestling because you've got to let a tribal a lot
of tribalism and a lot of places, but it's not
it's very rare to have an organic perspective from fans
that are not angry or spiteful or jaded or manipulated
by the narrative. And this is a place where we
have an opportunity, We have an opportunity, we have the
responsibility and an opportunity to say, Hey, this is what
it is you need to say, you need to say.
I love Eddie Kingston, right, I.
Speaker 1: Love Eddie Kingston. I'm literally sitting here just drenched in sweat,
anticipating and this is right now. But you know, you know,
but Shane, what you said is right. You know, this
is what the AAW fan Hub is about. We want
to have fun wrestling. I said it earlier. It's not
rocket science. It's fun. It's fun. It's supposed to be escapism.
We want to escape. We don't mind people coming in
with different opinions. We have ww fans on this podcast.
We have WWE fans on the AEW fan Hub subreddit that, honestly,
they don't appreciate, not saying that they don't like They
don't appreciate AW as much as they appreciate WWE. But
you know what, they come on there and they're civil
and they make they put effort into their comments, and
they make a point without being condescending. They ask questions,
they state why they may not enjoy something as much
as what they're preferred. Promotion is. That's fine. We don't
take bias against that. We only care about the people
that have an opinion that are willing to share it
and be part of the community, not against it or
a detriment to it.
Speaker 2: It should be a benon Kelson, I'm gonna double down.
It should be a community because we're all here for
the same reason. Brother, we love professional wrestling. And we
all come from a place where we grew in it,
and we should not use it as a platform to
spread hate or vitual. We're all here for the same
reason to see cool stuff. Like you disagree, well, look,
we could disagree with each other about how we perceive
things to be happening, but at the end of the day,
we're all gonna still meet here in the middle and say,
hey man, it's happening and it can't happen.
Speaker 1: Look, we have the Wrestling Hub Discord server. It's a
very active server, and we have AW fans, WWE fans,
New Japan fans, Joshi fans, Lujah fans, Indie fans. There's
talk about everything every day. Am I right or am
I wrong?
Speaker 2: You my brother, you're right.
Speaker 1: All right. When's the last time you saw anybody have
a tribalistic spat on that server? And I haven't. I
haven't either. I can't remember the last time I've ever
had to remove a post other than somebody accidentally posting
a spoiler in the wrong channel or something like that.
Those are the only posts that get removed, you know,
and they can just repost it, you know, in the
proper channel. But my point is is that WWE fans
and a w fans can get along because WWE fans
and a W fans on our discord server are talking
to each other, and they talk to each other a
lot about a lot of different things.
Speaker 2: Heyn some of the coolest things that that that's happened. Dude,
there are a lot of cool things happening happening in
w W E two and AW is my preferred flavor
of professional wrestling at the end of the day. Let's
take it. Let's take the take this at base value.
We're all here for the same reason. And Kelson said
it escapism. If it's not escapism to you, it's something
you're genuinely passionate about. And let's all be here for
each other. Don't don't talk shit to someone just because
they disagree with you, and and don't spread misinformation because
we need more of the real out there. We want
to see the cool stuff that's happening, and we all
got to get together for that to happen.
Speaker 1: Man, go ahead, net I'll give your name out.
Speaker 3: I was speaking of cool stuff. Did you see the
news about Mr.
Speaker 2: Where's Me?
Speaker 3: He and his wife have gotten back together, renewed their
wedding bounce.
Speaker 1: That's awesome, isn't that sweet?
Speaker 2: J got back together?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, but that's that's that's that's good news. I
I'm one of those weird people that like to see
people be happy instead of miserable. Mean, you know, and
so if they're at the obviously they were obviously in love.
Yeah before Uh, it sounds to me like they had
a little bit of a disagreement or whatever. Again, I
wasn't there. Uh, they split up, they got back together
for forever. I mean, I think that's great news. Yeah,
I think that that That actually made my night.
Speaker 2: That made It's a good wrap up to this Podkelson. Yeah,
we get to we get to go out a good
note outside of aw.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, Well, Dynamites tomorrow night. All we talk right
after Dynamite. Maybe we do get swear Strickland calling out
John Moxley and winning the championship in the first thirty
seconds of the show. We can I can dream, I
can dream. Hey we may see Speedball Mike Bailey, Oh god,
you know, there's.
Speaker 2: So many we have so many prospects on their way
to aw speed My goodness.
Speaker 3: I love I love Speedball, Mike.
Speaker 1: I know hey, we got Look, look, there's gonna be
some There's gonna I mean, we've already known that MJF
is gonna be there tomorrow night and speaking live, which
is always a good time.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Look, we have stories that need to be furthered, We
have stories that need to be begun, so you know,
and the way that Dynamite and Collision have been running
in twenty twenty five, specifically ever since they joined Max,
it's just hit a little bit different, and I mean
that in a very positive way. I expect tomorrow night's
show to be very much worth watching, and I hope
you'll watch it with us in our live chat on
the aw fanub subreddit and of course on a wrestling
Hub discord, and you'll join us tomorrow night to talk
about Dynamite right here on our discord the Wrestling Hub
for the aw fan Hub podcast team.
Speaker 2: This is Kelson, This is Shane die Bud.
Speaker 1: This is Nat. Good night, everybody, good night, any in
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