1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: Broadcasting from Studio A. Here at proven Winners Color Choice Shrubs. 2 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:10,400 It's time for the Gardening Simplified Show with Stacy, Hervella me, 3 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:14,640 Rick Weist, and our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson. Well 4 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:18,160 as Vincent Price would say in the thriller, darkness falls 5 00:00:18,199 --> 00:00:23,399 across the land. The midnight hour is close at hand. No, 6 00:00:23,519 --> 00:00:26,519 I'm not talking about Halloween. I'm talking about the end 7 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:31,399 of daylight saving time and the growing season. Oh boy, today, 8 00:00:31,679 --> 00:00:33,679 little shop of horticulture. 9 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:34,799 Speaker 2: Hmm. 10 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,799 Speaker 1: I was thinking about you the other day, Stacy, because 11 00:00:37,799 --> 00:00:40,520 I have a neighbor just down the road and she 12 00:00:40,799 --> 00:00:47,119 has a Stacey Halloween Nightmare yard. Not on Elm Street, 13 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:52,079 but on my street. This neighbor has a yard full 14 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:58,520 of agapodium, goutweed, vinkevine growing all over the place, and 15 00:00:58,679 --> 00:01:02,960 chameleon place at the Yes, all three. I watch your 16 00:01:03,079 --> 00:01:06,560 fill a little bucket of miracle grow and go out there. 17 00:01:06,439 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 3: On that fertilizes. That's the scariest part. 18 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: Yes, I know that. I know that. Is there a 19 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:12,599 barbary scarier? 20 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 2: Right? 21 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:14,079 Speaker 1: There was no barbary? 22 00:01:14,159 --> 00:01:15,159 Speaker 3: Is there? Wind chimes? 23 00:01:15,599 --> 00:01:16,439 Speaker 1: There are? 24 00:01:16,519 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 3: Okay? 25 00:01:17,359 --> 00:01:17,719 Speaker 2: Got me? 26 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,239 Speaker 1: So four out of five something like that. 27 00:01:21,159 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 3: It's a tree nightmare. 28 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 2: There might be some barbary in the backyard that you 29 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:25,439 just haven't seen yet, so. 30 00:01:25,799 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: I'll check it out. Are you decorating in your yard 31 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,959 or landscape like many people do for Christmas? Americans are 32 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:36,560 expected to spend four point two billion dollars on Halloween 33 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:42,400 decorations decorating their house uh this year, and many people 34 00:01:42,519 --> 00:01:46,280 that the number of people decorating their homes has continued 35 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:51,000 to increase. Some displays look so elaborate people have had 36 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:52,280 to call the police. 37 00:01:53,159 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 2: Uh. 38 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: And I have a neighbor down the road, not the 39 00:01:57,719 --> 00:02:01,719 same neighbor with Stacy's horror land, but a neighbor down 40 00:02:01,719 --> 00:02:05,359 the road that decides to put up Christmas and Halloween 41 00:02:05,439 --> 00:02:07,319 at the same time and just get it over with. 42 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,080 Oh my, yeah, so it looks like the Holidays threw 43 00:02:10,159 --> 00:02:12,599 up in their yard. It's just crazy, the. 44 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 3: Whole Halloween yard decorating. I mean, it's fun. 45 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong. I don't begrudge anyone. They're fun, 46 00:02:17,759 --> 00:02:20,960 but it is wild. It came out of nowhere, you know. 47 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,560 It is like you used to put some pumpkins on 48 00:02:23,599 --> 00:02:26,280 your porch and call it good. And now I mean 49 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,479 people start decorating in September, and they have to get 50 00:02:28,479 --> 00:02:31,280 their money's worth because they're spending so much on these displays. 51 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,680 And I mean they are really fun to see, but wow, 52 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,159 I mean it's in some ways it's like more than 53 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:38,159 Christmas decorating. 54 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 1: It's unreal. 55 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, And where do they store it all? 56 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: That's that's always the big problem. Where do you put 57 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:50,479 those things? Well, invasive plants and invasive bugs are a 58 00:02:50,719 --> 00:02:55,159 big contributor to Halloween horror stories and the Little Shop 59 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,039 of Horticulture. Now, I do want to mention something right 60 00:02:58,080 --> 00:02:59,919 off the bat, and we have some pictures for our 61 00:03:00,039 --> 00:03:02,280 YouTube viewers, Stacy. But at this time of the year 62 00:03:02,479 --> 00:03:05,960 I get real melancholy and sad based on the fact 63 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,120 that I don't get to see that bright yellow color 64 00:03:09,759 --> 00:03:14,439 of green ash trees in the landscape. Because of Emerald 65 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:19,960 ash bore. Many of our ash trees are gone, and 66 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,240 I'm chilled by the lack of that bright color in 67 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:28,319 our neighborhoods our parks. Green ash had ecological and cultural 68 00:03:28,479 --> 00:03:34,439 significance in our landscapes. Streets lined with green ash trees. 69 00:03:34,479 --> 00:03:38,639 They made baseball bats, bowling pins out of green ash. 70 00:03:38,879 --> 00:03:42,319 I really really missed that tree, and you'll see some 71 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:46,240 here and there where they're struggling to survive or growing 72 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,080 out of the base of the plant, sending out suckers 73 00:03:49,199 --> 00:03:51,560 or shoots. I've got some pictures to show you in 74 00:03:51,599 --> 00:03:54,680 a parking lot that I went through the other day, Stacy, 75 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,400 I missed that tree. And Emerald ash bore is one 76 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,319 of those little shop of horse to culture things that 77 00:04:01,439 --> 00:04:03,039 I'm dealing with personally. 78 00:04:03,199 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 2: It's horrifying they are, and you know, what they did 79 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:11,439 to trees all over the Midwest is really genuinely horrifying. 80 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:15,719 But where my in laws live out in the Detroit 81 00:04:15,759 --> 00:04:18,399 area is literally just a few miles from what was 82 00:04:18,439 --> 00:04:22,199 ground zero of the Emerald ashboor invasion here in Michigan. 83 00:04:22,879 --> 00:04:26,279 And it's interesting because ashes are coming back because they 84 00:04:26,399 --> 00:04:28,800 ate everything, you know. So the ashes took care of 85 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:30,040 everything that they could. 86 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,759 Speaker 1: Eat in the area extinct. 87 00:04:32,319 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 2: Yes, and so they have then moved on to new 88 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,199 areas because it's saying, hey, there's nothing for us to 89 00:04:37,199 --> 00:04:40,199 eat here, better move to West Michigan. And now that 90 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:44,000 is giving ash from seed because it does spread pretty 91 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:48,879 significantly from seed and other ones that were just significantly 92 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,399 weakened a chance to come back, and there are actually 93 00:04:51,399 --> 00:04:55,199 some quite large ash trees now around there. 94 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:55,399 Speaker 3: Now. 95 00:04:55,439 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 2: That doesn't mean they can't come back, but there is 96 00:04:58,639 --> 00:05:02,920 this kind of sequential or succession of ash and Emerald 97 00:05:02,959 --> 00:05:04,399 ashboorger that. 98 00:05:04,439 --> 00:05:05,319 Speaker 3: Maybe they will be back. 99 00:05:05,319 --> 00:05:08,079 Speaker 2: Now we're behind the Detroit area because we didn't get 100 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,040 it as early as they did, but maybe. 101 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,319 Speaker 3: In a couple of years. Yeah, I agree, your ashes 102 00:05:13,319 --> 00:05:13,839 could be back. 103 00:05:13,959 --> 00:05:16,439 Speaker 1: I agree, And that's why I took pictures of these trees, 104 00:05:16,519 --> 00:05:21,279 because they're also seeking out some of these trees that 105 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:27,160 seem resistant to Emerald ashbourer to develop cultivars for future generation. 106 00:05:27,319 --> 00:05:30,199 Speaker 2: Well, that's exactly what happened with the Dutch Olean disease 107 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:31,879 and the bark beetle. 108 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: Exactly when we talk about Little Shop of Horticulture. Of course, 109 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:38,519 one of the things we've talked about this year in 110 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,480 our show is that area between the street and the 111 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,079 sidewalk and what in the world to do with it. 112 00:05:44,399 --> 00:05:46,839 Some people call it the hell strip, some people call 113 00:05:46,879 --> 00:05:50,519 it a parkway, a boulevard or right of way. I'm 114 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:55,199 planting some loriopee and some creeping time in mine. And 115 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,720 for folks who are watching or listening to the show 116 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,480 in the south. Remember also here in the Earth we 117 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:05,639 suffer from something called snowplow disease in winter, so that 118 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,680 is an area also that creates problems. Many plants we 119 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:15,600 could talk about in our show on Little Shop of Horticulture, Stacy. 120 00:06:15,639 --> 00:06:18,160 You know, one that I can't stand is stinging nettle. 121 00:06:18,959 --> 00:06:22,279 Some people love it for the health potions that they 122 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,800 can create out of it, but I get intense burning 123 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:31,800 and an itching sensation. Low grow sumac. Now you'll see 124 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,279 that growing in island beds at stores and parking lots 125 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,800 because it's super tough. But I made the mistake of 126 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,480 putting it in my landscape and they call it a 127 00:06:40,519 --> 00:06:42,920 fragrant sumac. It smells awful. 128 00:06:44,319 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 3: I've ever really spelled it. What's it like. 129 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:51,759 Speaker 1: It's just pungent and it's kind of like Russian sage 130 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:53,079 on steroids. 131 00:06:54,079 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 2: So it really ran and spread and it's one of 132 00:06:57,399 --> 00:07:00,720 those plants that it's suckering and if it's happy yet, 133 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,600 it'll sucker and colonize, which is perfect for parking lot beds, 134 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,160 but maybe not so much for the backyard. 135 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 3: So that's what's happened to your right. 136 00:07:07,399 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: So I'm I'm pulling it out. But the whole time 137 00:07:10,519 --> 00:07:13,800 I'm pulling it out, I'm like holding my nose. It's awful. 138 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:18,600 O Punti or prickly pear cactus. I love prickly pear wine. 139 00:07:19,319 --> 00:07:22,720 I love Opuntia and prickly pear cactus. But those pads 140 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,839 are so innocent looking. You get close to them and 141 00:07:25,879 --> 00:07:29,759 you get those stickers in your socks, in your gloves. 142 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,040 I was watching some deer eating them. I'm wondering, how 143 00:07:33,199 --> 00:07:36,519 in the world can they eat those pads real thirsty? 144 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,279 Speaker 2: Oh boy, you know, I have to say I don't 145 00:07:39,279 --> 00:07:43,040 think that our native a Puntia chumafusa, the one that 146 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,800 grows out here. The glockids, which are the little teeny 147 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,720 tiny hairs that are the most irritating because you can 148 00:07:48,759 --> 00:07:51,279 usually avoid those big, long thorns. It's the little tiny 149 00:07:51,279 --> 00:07:54,120 ones that get you. They're not as bad as long 150 00:07:54,199 --> 00:07:57,079 lasting as like cactus that you'll find in the Southwest. 151 00:07:57,439 --> 00:08:01,639 They provide a temporary irritation, but you know, for the 152 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,360 most part, they're not that bad. But the thing that 153 00:08:04,439 --> 00:08:06,480 I find about them, at least in my garden, they 154 00:08:06,519 --> 00:08:07,759 need a lot of management. 155 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:09,959 Speaker 3: They really overgrow. 156 00:08:10,319 --> 00:08:12,279 Speaker 2: Might have started spreading from seed, which, as you can 157 00:08:12,319 --> 00:08:16,040 imagine is simply delightful. We dead headed ours this year 158 00:08:16,079 --> 00:08:19,199 to prevent that from happening, because, yeah, you do not 159 00:08:19,279 --> 00:08:21,319 want to be weeding and come across a little cactus 160 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,240 seedling in your vegetable garden, which I did have one there. 161 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,879 The other thing about managing this plant, talk about horror stories. 162 00:08:28,839 --> 00:08:31,360 We're always really careful about what we do with it 163 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:33,639 and make sure that we put it in thick bags 164 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,360 in our trash and not the yard disposal, because I 165 00:08:37,399 --> 00:08:39,600 don't want, you know, the poor person who takes away 166 00:08:39,639 --> 00:08:44,440 that garbage just to get an unpleasant surprise. So it 167 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,120 also has to be managed carefully, not just in the garden, 168 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:48,919 but for other people to deal with. 169 00:08:49,159 --> 00:08:51,639 Speaker 1: You're right, you're right about that. Well, on today's show, 170 00:08:51,759 --> 00:08:55,120 we're going to talk about some plants and some invasive issues. 171 00:08:55,159 --> 00:08:59,679 I've got things on my list like calorie pair daughter, 172 00:09:00,279 --> 00:09:03,320 horse bind weed, all of these things that have to 173 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:07,279 be part of our Shop of Horticulture Hall of Fame. 174 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:13,679 Here's a terrifying thought. Rick at your doorstep, Rick or treat. Yeah, 175 00:09:13,799 --> 00:09:18,200 today's limb a Rick Rick visits your doorstep. Caution with me, 176 00:09:18,399 --> 00:09:21,559 maybe hoove, I see a plant in your yard. I 177 00:09:21,639 --> 00:09:26,039 disapprove while you're busy doling out candy. The distraction I'll 178 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:30,240 find handy in darkness, the plant to remove. If there's 179 00:09:30,279 --> 00:09:32,919 a weed in your yard, I'll pluck it. Take your 180 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,840 treat in my bag, I'll tuck it my costume. Likewise, 181 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:41,159 you may recognize I'm the guy wearing a five gallon bucket. 182 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 3: You are on a roll, rick roll. 183 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,919 Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Yeah, on Halloween, I go out 184 00:09:47,919 --> 00:09:50,320 there wearing a five gallon bucket. It's ideal. 185 00:09:51,039 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 2: Uh, okay, just drill some Oh it's a mask, gotcha. 186 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,960 I was thinking like a full body, five gallon buck 187 00:10:00,039 --> 00:10:05,159 it kind of costume. But oh, you were in I 188 00:10:05,159 --> 00:10:07,080 didn't know you were such a Halloween fan. 189 00:10:07,279 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 1: I don't know. I just little shop. 190 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 3: I feel you're feeling the spirit. I like it. 191 00:10:10,919 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 1: I can't wait for Plants on Trial that's coming up next. 192 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,679 Here on the Gardening Simplified. 193 00:10:16,039 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 2: Show, beautify your home and community with proven winner's color 194 00:10:25,159 --> 00:10:28,039 Choice shrubs. With over three hundred and twenty five unique 195 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,120 varieties to choose from. There's a flowering shrub or evergreen 196 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,960 for every taste and every space. Just look for the 197 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,080 distinctive white container your local garden center or learn more 198 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:43,240 at proven Winner's Color Choice dot com. Boo and greetings 199 00:10:43,279 --> 00:10:46,279 gardening friends, and welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show 200 00:10:46,279 --> 00:10:49,639 where we are opening up the little shop of horticulture. 201 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,879 You know, everyone's always like, oh, Seymour feed me because 202 00:10:53,919 --> 00:10:55,399 of you know, the famous movie. 203 00:10:55,759 --> 00:10:57,919 Speaker 3: But that's not really that scary. I mean, they didn't 204 00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:58,759 make it very scary. 205 00:10:58,919 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: It's not scary. 206 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, but thank goodness, there's not actually plants like that. 207 00:11:02,399 --> 00:11:05,720 Of course, there are carnivorous plants that eat insects, but 208 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:12,559 they are not ever going to harm you personally, so anyway, and. 209 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 1: There's always barbary. 210 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 3: There's all that. 211 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:17,519 Speaker 2: Barbary is indeed scary. You can scare me with many 212 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,720 things in the garden, you know, stinging nettle. I also 213 00:11:20,759 --> 00:11:22,480 have a big, major issue with. 214 00:11:23,879 --> 00:11:24,759 Speaker 3: Very very big rastion. 215 00:11:24,879 --> 00:11:26,879 Speaker 2: And no one ever told me about stinging nettle. Right, 216 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,799 so I'm working as a landscaper in college weaving and 217 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:32,879 all of a sudden, like what the heck just happened? 218 00:11:32,919 --> 00:11:35,679 And also those stinging caterpillars. Yes, you know you're hearing 219 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:40,120 a lot about those these days. So but you're not 220 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,519 to discourage you from gardening, because all you have to 221 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:44,840 do is learn a little bit. And that's what we're 222 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:46,320 here for, is to kind of teach you some of 223 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,480 that stuff, help you make you aware of those things 224 00:11:49,519 --> 00:11:51,679 so you can avoid them, whether that is an invasive 225 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:56,519 plant or a pest or a bug or you know, 226 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,799 whatever that that that scary thing is for you. We 227 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,759 all have our own fears. But you know, last year 228 00:12:03,519 --> 00:12:06,200 there was quite a bit of talk going on about 229 00:12:06,399 --> 00:12:11,720 Gothic gardens, goth gardens, goth gardening, and you know, those 230 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:15,440 words just got thrown around, and I realized that probably 231 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,200 a lot of people don't really know what that means. 232 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:20,960 You know, like I grew up in the eighties and 233 00:12:21,039 --> 00:12:25,720 nineties when goth people dressing like goths was the subculture 234 00:12:25,759 --> 00:12:28,000 was a thing, you know, like we knew what that was. 235 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:30,960 But some people who are older might not. Maybe even 236 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,279 some people who were younger might not. And that got 237 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:37,840 me thinking, where did that goth term come from? So 238 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:39,840 of course I looked it up, because this is what 239 00:12:39,919 --> 00:12:43,720 I do. So the original use of goth goes back 240 00:12:43,759 --> 00:12:46,919 to the term Gothic, which was a tribe of Germanic 241 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,840 people in the fourth century. Now, the Romans did not 242 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:55,840 like the Goths, and considered them uncouth and barbaric, and 243 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,120 so to some extent you could say, okay, well, like 244 00:13:00,279 --> 00:13:04,559 dark ages, that's where the association with darkness comes from 245 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,879 from that. But then fast forward to the twelfth century 246 00:13:07,919 --> 00:13:10,799 and we've got Gothic architecture, which plenty of people are 247 00:13:10,799 --> 00:13:13,399 familiar with. Of course, Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris is 248 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,879 one of the classic examples, and that actually had nothing 249 00:13:17,039 --> 00:13:20,320 really to do with the Germanic tribe of the Goths. 250 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:24,039 That just kind of came out of nowhere. Then fast 251 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:27,559 forward to seventeen sixty four. Okay, so we're up, you know, 252 00:13:27,639 --> 00:13:32,720 another four hundred and five hundred years here, and Gothic 253 00:13:32,919 --> 00:13:36,720 takes on a new, yet another new meaning. In this case, 254 00:13:36,919 --> 00:13:40,759 the first Gothic novel, which was Horace Walpole's book The 255 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:45,519 Castle of Otronto, which later got the subtitle, added a 256 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:49,159 Gothic story, and that gave birth to the whole subgenre 257 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,120 of Gothic novels. So, of course Rebecca by Daphne du 258 00:13:52,159 --> 00:13:55,840 Morier is a classic example. Frankenstein by Mary Shelley is 259 00:13:55,879 --> 00:13:57,960 another classic example. So it was kind of this, like, 260 00:13:58,759 --> 00:14:03,720 you know, mysterious is sometimes supernatural, freaky, scary, but also 261 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:09,279 darkly atmospheric, taking place in creepy labs or abandoned mansions 262 00:14:09,399 --> 00:14:11,600 or castles and all of that kind of thing. 263 00:14:11,879 --> 00:14:14,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you're keeping score at home, that's O Toronto. 264 00:14:15,279 --> 00:14:16,840 I thought it was a typo. I thought it was 265 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,120 supposed to be Toronto. It's Toronto. 266 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,279 Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, The Castle of Otronto by Horace Walpole. If 267 00:14:22,279 --> 00:14:25,039 you would like to spend this spooky season reading the 268 00:14:25,039 --> 00:14:27,320 first ever Gothic novel, I have not read it, but 269 00:14:27,399 --> 00:14:30,840 I find it sounds like it's very interesting, So I 270 00:14:30,879 --> 00:14:33,399 think that that is really where this idea of the 271 00:14:33,399 --> 00:14:38,840 goth subculture comes from. Is more of the gothic novel, dark, creepy, 272 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,519 staying inside. But what really characterizes the goth subculture is 273 00:14:42,519 --> 00:14:45,000 wearing black, like dressing in black. 274 00:14:45,039 --> 00:14:48,519 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so Rick maybe a goth. 275 00:14:48,279 --> 00:14:49,039 Speaker 1: Where we'll. 276 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 3: Find a future API, but that's what it means. 277 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,039 Speaker 2: So when we say like a goth garden or a 278 00:14:57,039 --> 00:15:01,159 Gothic garden, what is generally meant by that is plants 279 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,399 with black foliage or plants that kind of have this 280 00:15:04,759 --> 00:15:07,759 looming presence. So it can mean a lot of different things. 281 00:15:07,759 --> 00:15:12,200 So in celebration of Today's Little Shop of Horticulture. I 282 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:16,320 wanted to share my top picks for proven Winner's color 283 00:15:16,399 --> 00:15:18,240 choice shrubs for Goth gardens. 284 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: Fantastic, let's hear. 285 00:15:19,559 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 2: Okay, So my number one quality, and this is the 286 00:15:21,879 --> 00:15:25,799 easiest one, is black foliage, because you know, that's a 287 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,360 very common thing now. You could because black foliage has 288 00:15:29,399 --> 00:15:31,679 been so popular for the last gosh, I don't know, 289 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:35,639 fifteen years, twenty years or something like that. There's tons 290 00:15:35,639 --> 00:15:40,960 and tons of options, everything from annuals, vegetables, perennials, shrubs, 291 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,159 even trees if you wanted to plants it. 292 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 3: Tulips, yeah, exactly. 293 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 2: If you wanted to plant an entirely black flower and 294 00:15:49,039 --> 00:15:52,519 foliage garden, you actually could, and if you did, please 295 00:15:52,559 --> 00:15:53,799 let us know because we want to see it. That 296 00:15:53,799 --> 00:15:57,279 sounds pretty amazing. But black foliage is just one way 297 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,679 you could think about this. You could also go for 298 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:03,240 a plant with creepy gothy names, and like I said, other 299 00:16:03,279 --> 00:16:05,720 plants with a looming silhouette. You know one plant that 300 00:16:05,759 --> 00:16:08,879 I always think of. And when Lisa Roper from Chanticleer 301 00:16:08,919 --> 00:16:10,919 was on, she talked about it a little bit about 302 00:16:10,919 --> 00:16:15,000 the big weeping spruces that they have around the ruined 303 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:19,559 garden at Chanticleer that kind of look like ghostly looming presences. 304 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:23,679 Speaker 1: Yeah around the garden it be oh yeah, that's. 305 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 2: Definitely a good creepy plant. So black foliage. Center Stage 306 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:32,080 crape myrtle, now this is an interesting one. Beautiful, it 307 00:16:32,159 --> 00:16:37,000 is beautiful, and so most crape myrtles are considered Southern plants, 308 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,080 and the tree forms definitely are because of course they 309 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,480 can't die back, or you would not have a tree anymore. 310 00:16:42,919 --> 00:16:46,039 But center stage is a shrubby crape myrtle which is 311 00:16:46,039 --> 00:16:49,279 actually hardy down to USDA Zone six. It can die 312 00:16:49,279 --> 00:16:50,679 back to the ground and it will just come right 313 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,960 back up and flower. And this has some of the 314 00:16:53,039 --> 00:16:56,559 darkest foliage out of any crape myrtle out there. But 315 00:16:56,639 --> 00:16:59,440 what's cool about it is it's not like goth and 316 00:16:59,519 --> 00:17:03,440 brooding all season long. Blooms in summer, and when those 317 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:07,880 flowers come out, it just takes on a totally different character. Now, 318 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,359 I personally like center stage red, and I think that 319 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,000 probably is the most goth because it's combining that black 320 00:17:14,039 --> 00:17:16,519 with that red. But we also have center Stage pink 321 00:17:16,599 --> 00:17:21,440 and center Stage coral, and they're really just beautiful plants. 322 00:17:21,599 --> 00:17:24,440 That I think because of that they're long blooming and 323 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,839 have that colorful flower. They don't just kind of suck 324 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,079 the life out of the landscape, which can be a 325 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,720 risk of black plants that they just kind of become 326 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:35,400 a black hole or they blend in with the soil. 327 00:17:36,319 --> 00:17:38,880 The other thing about it it is very resistant to 328 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,119 powdery mildew, because there is nothing scarier than a ugly 329 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,960 crape myrtle covered in powdery mildew. No one wants that 330 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:49,480 now our jazz hands. Variegated Laura pedulum. This is a 331 00:17:49,519 --> 00:17:52,400 really cool plant that is looking so beautiful right now. 332 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,519 It is a varigated Laura pedilum. Of course, if you 333 00:17:55,559 --> 00:17:58,000 live in the South, you also know this plant dark 334 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:01,480 purply black foliage. But the new both on this is 335 00:18:01,559 --> 00:18:04,839 variegated with white and spots of purple and pink and black. 336 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,920 But it's also not like a festive party. It still 337 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,519 has I think some like very goth kind of vibes 338 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,200 to it. It's not overly happy, so so don't worry 339 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,759 about that. Kodiak Jet black dravilla. Love that some of 340 00:18:17,799 --> 00:18:21,400 the darkest foliage that has ever been introduced on a darvilla. 341 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,440 And what I love about this one much like the 342 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:27,119 center stage crape myrtle in summer. It has these bright, 343 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:31,599 bright yellow flowers and they're small, but the contrast when 344 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,200 those are out is just so beautiful. Also, I love 345 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,559 black and yellow because I like really strong contrasts, like 346 00:18:36,599 --> 00:18:38,319 that black hat rhododendron. 347 00:18:38,519 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 1: You gave me one a few years ago. I planted 348 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,680 it in my landscape. I love that plant. That has 349 00:18:43,759 --> 00:18:44,519 become a favorite. 350 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 351 00:18:45,039 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 2: So, so do you have a planet where you can 352 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:48,680 set off the color or you just yet? 353 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,799 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's there's hosta, and there's the hack and 354 00:18:52,839 --> 00:18:55,400 a kloa yellow hack and a cloa near it, and 355 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:56,680 that is just gorgeous. 356 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:58,279 Speaker 2: Love that. It's a great combination. 357 00:18:59,200 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 1: Uh. 358 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:01,599 Speaker 2: And then I was thinking, you know, we don't really 359 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,559 have anything yet. We will have a butterfly bush coming 360 00:19:04,599 --> 00:19:08,720 out in twenty twenty seven with near black flowers, but 361 00:19:08,799 --> 00:19:11,519 right now, we don't have anything with super moody gothy flowers, 362 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:16,839 with a possible exception of wee bit grumpy hydrangea. And 363 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:19,759 this plant it got its name. I think I've talked 364 00:19:19,799 --> 00:19:22,599 about it before because one of its trial codes was 365 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:24,880 among seven the seven dwarfs. So each of the plants 366 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:26,480 in that trial group had a name from one of 367 00:19:26,519 --> 00:19:29,160 the seven Dwarfs. This one was grumpy. It made us 368 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,599 laugh every time we looked at it, so we kept it. 369 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:36,640 But in the right soil conditions, so acidic cool, the 370 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,440 flowers turned some very very moody, dark purples that are 371 00:19:40,599 --> 00:19:45,359 really really cool. Moving on to we've got, of course 372 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,480 the white Gela Wine and spirits, which also has the 373 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,799 benefit of a creepy name, Midnight Wineeshine, which is probably 374 00:19:50,839 --> 00:19:54,519 the blackest of any Whygela, and Sonic bloom Wine, which 375 00:19:54,559 --> 00:19:56,599 is a reblooming wygeala. So if you just want to 376 00:19:56,599 --> 00:19:59,039 be like a little goth with a black foliage, but 377 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,480 you want some nice flower in there, it really splits 378 00:20:01,519 --> 00:20:04,319 the difference. And then kind of to end up, I 379 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:08,119 think that laced up and black lace elderberry are really 380 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:12,720 the ultimate Goth shrubs in our collection. So they have 381 00:20:13,079 --> 00:20:17,640 really dark black, kind of lacy foliage. But once that 382 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:21,480 first frost hits, the foliage kind of does this thing 383 00:20:21,559 --> 00:20:24,720 where it just kind of droops on the plant, So 384 00:20:24,759 --> 00:20:26,880 it doesn't fall off right away, it doesn't turn color, 385 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,359 but it kind of droops and it's got like immaculate 386 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:36,119 abandoned mansion vibes. It really really a cool choice. So 387 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,680 if you were looking for Halloween vibes or goth vibes 388 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,960 in your landscape, there's just a couple of suggestions. But 389 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,480 of course it's always about using your imagination and making 390 00:20:44,519 --> 00:20:46,759 it work for you. But be sure to tune in 391 00:20:46,799 --> 00:20:48,759 on YouTube so you can see what all of these 392 00:20:48,799 --> 00:20:51,279 plants look like. In the meantime, we're going to take 393 00:20:51,319 --> 00:20:53,400 a break and when we come back, we're opening up 394 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:54,000 the mail bag. 395 00:20:54,039 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 3: I don't think it'll be too scary, but. 396 00:20:55,480 --> 00:21:05,279 Speaker 2: You never know what lurks inside. At Proven Winner's Color 397 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,519 Choice Shrubs, we know that a better landscape starts with 398 00:21:08,599 --> 00:21:11,920 a better shrub. Our team of experts tests and evaluates 399 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,319 all of our flowering shrubs in evergreens for eight to 400 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:18,039 ten years to ensure they outperform what's already on the market. 401 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:22,400 For easycare, reliable, beautiful shrubs to accentuate your home and 402 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,319 express your personal style, look for Proven Winner's Shrubs in 403 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,279 the distinctive white container at your local garden center or 404 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:34,319 learn more at proven Winner's Color Choice dot com. And 405 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,759 welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show where Adriana just 406 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,279 scared me half to death with some wind chimes. You know, 407 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,720 again it's to each their own, but when you live 408 00:21:45,759 --> 00:21:49,400 in a windy neighborhood and your neighbors have wind chimes, 409 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,880 it's hard. It's hard to get some rest. And that's 410 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:57,200 scary because I could be pretty scary when I don't 411 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:03,279 get enough sleep. But anyway, it's our time to answer 412 00:22:03,319 --> 00:22:06,759 your gardening questions. If you have a gardening question that 413 00:22:06,799 --> 00:22:09,000 you would like us to answer, you can always just 414 00:22:09,079 --> 00:22:11,480 visit us at Gardening Simplified on air dot com. There 415 00:22:11,559 --> 00:22:13,920 is a contact form there you can just send it 416 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,880 right in. There's even a place to attach a photo, 417 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,640 because there's nothing scarier than trying to identify a garden 418 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,279 problem without a picture to tell us what the heck 419 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,519 is going on. And you can also just leave a 420 00:22:24,559 --> 00:22:27,559 comment on our YouTube version of the show. He Drana 421 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,000 reads all of those and responds to them and tells 422 00:22:30,079 --> 00:22:33,359 us if there's something that should be answered on air. 423 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,599 So lots of different ways to get your questions answered. 424 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,319 And we're kicking this edition of Mailbag off with a 425 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:45,680 question for Rick. So Rick's expertise is requested by Melissa. 426 00:22:46,319 --> 00:22:49,680 I heard Rick talk about his leaf mulching machine. Can 427 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,160 you describe what that is? And did you make it yourself? 428 00:22:52,759 --> 00:22:56,400 Why do you grind leaves instead of leaving them as is? 429 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,000 I'm also curious about creating my own compost in much. 430 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,160 Can you please describe the best formula. I know you 431 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,640 have to mix the browns and the greens, but I'm 432 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,000 not sure how to start on my own. 433 00:23:09,079 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: Wow. Well, okay, so we're referring here to the what 434 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,319 I call the cherninator. So this all started a number 435 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:21,559 of years ago when I recognized that leaves were super 436 00:23:21,599 --> 00:23:25,519 important in my landscape infall, and they were free, and 437 00:23:25,599 --> 00:23:29,319 I wanted them because of my Dutch heritage. But they 438 00:23:29,599 --> 00:23:34,279 decomposed so much more rapidly if you shred them up, 439 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,759 and that's what we do in the lawn. We get 440 00:23:37,759 --> 00:23:42,160 a super sharp blade for the lawnmower, a ninja type blade, 441 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,440 and you can grind up the leaves and define pieces 442 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,920 and not have to rake them up because, like my 443 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,519 good friend Neil Sedaka said, raking up is hard to do. 444 00:23:52,039 --> 00:23:55,000 So we use a lawnmower and shred the leaves finally, 445 00:23:55,039 --> 00:23:57,720 and the turf can handle it and not be matted. 446 00:23:58,079 --> 00:24:00,319 I thought, well, this is going to work well in 447 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,200 the landscape. So I got myself a garbage can, a 448 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:07,680 weed whacker, some safety glasses, and I'm out there churning 449 00:24:07,759 --> 00:24:11,920 up these leaves. I went on an online site and 450 00:24:12,039 --> 00:24:15,480 you can take a look at it on YouTube. Adriana's 451 00:24:15,519 --> 00:24:18,319 showing you the video right now that I put together 452 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:23,960 of the cherninator in action. It's loads of fun, it's entertaining. 453 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,839 I entertain myself out there and it just shreds these 454 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,920 leaves and they make the most fantastic mulch for my 455 00:24:30,079 --> 00:24:32,640 garden or if you wanted to put them in a 456 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:39,039 compost bin. Yeah, they're basically decomposing quicker. You're speeding up 457 00:24:39,039 --> 00:24:42,079 the process by tearing them, just shreds. 458 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 2: Increasing the surface area that makes them decompose more quickly. 459 00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:45,440 You know. 460 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:46,279 Speaker 3: That reminded me. 461 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 2: I did complain a bit about windy areas and wind chimes, 462 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,559 but one of the benefits of living in a windy 463 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,119 area is it tends to blow all of my leaves away. 464 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 3: It's true, and I don't. 465 00:24:57,759 --> 00:25:00,599 Speaker 2: Usually have to do very much raking orlyaf removal because 466 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,359 nature kind of just takes care of it for me. 467 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,000 Hopefully they end up, you know, down in the woods 468 00:25:04,039 --> 00:25:06,960 somewhere and not in a neighbor's yard. But hey, once 469 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,200 they blow away, I don't know what the heck happens 470 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,920 to them. I wanted to talk about Melissa's questions about 471 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,119 creating composts, and we've talked a little bit about this 472 00:25:15,759 --> 00:25:19,240 without ever directly addressing it, but you know the basics, 473 00:25:19,279 --> 00:25:23,359 you can read. There's whole books written about composts. But ultimately, 474 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:28,279 composting is really just kind of managing the conditions that 475 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,640 allow a natural process to take place so that it 476 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,400 happens more quickly and that you actually get a usable product. 477 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,759 Because all organic products, which is to say, anything that 478 00:25:37,799 --> 00:25:42,920 comes from nature naturally is are going to decompose eventually, 479 00:25:43,279 --> 00:25:45,319 but some things like oak leaves can take an extremely 480 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,240 long time because they're very very and the tannins and 481 00:25:48,599 --> 00:25:52,920 all of that. But when you're composting, you want a 482 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,720 mix of greens, which is to say, fresh material, so 483 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,799 it doesn't necessarily literally need to be green. It's just 484 00:25:58,799 --> 00:26:02,880 something that's fresh and you see and browns, and the 485 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,680 browns are going to be dry material. And by combining 486 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,440 these in a rough proportion of one to two one 487 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,680 part green to two part brown, which is so much 488 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,400 easier said than done, because it seems for most of 489 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,559 us we have no shortage of greens and a major 490 00:26:18,599 --> 00:26:22,480 shortage of browns. But again, you don't I mean I 491 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,799 when I've composted, you don't need to like get don't 492 00:26:24,839 --> 00:26:27,759 be out there with like a scale or a measuring 493 00:26:27,839 --> 00:26:30,400 tape or anything like that. It's you know, you mix it, 494 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,000 you put you layer them down, continue to layer, keep 495 00:26:34,079 --> 00:26:36,119 it moist. That is what I've always found is the 496 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,680 most crucial. And then once you get it kind of 497 00:26:38,759 --> 00:26:40,920 up to the top of your bin or whatever, then 498 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,279 you can start mixing it and mix it every once 499 00:26:44,319 --> 00:26:47,640 in a while, and eventually you'll have composts. How long 500 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,480 that takes depends on the weather. Of course, it's going 501 00:26:49,519 --> 00:26:52,680 to happen much more quickly in warm weather than it's 502 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,480 going to happen in cool weather, although you can compost 503 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,519 all year long, I have found. I think my number 504 00:26:58,559 --> 00:27:01,440 one tip though, would be that you were never really 505 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,839 going to get composts if you keep adding to the 506 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,680 same pile, because then you're always going to have bits 507 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,279 of fresh stuff in there. So it really is best, 508 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,559 if at all possible, to have two separate piles. One 509 00:27:13,559 --> 00:27:16,599 that is that you're actively adding to that's my and 510 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,759 one that's actively you know, rotting, because I've tried it 511 00:27:20,839 --> 00:27:23,480 and you know, you just you go to get it 512 00:27:23,519 --> 00:27:26,079 and then you got like a big squishy old tomato 513 00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:29,319 or pepper or something nasty in there. So it's really 514 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,559 best to have one that's rotting, one that you are 515 00:27:31,599 --> 00:27:35,920 continuing to add to. Advice, and then compost is multra interchangeable. 516 00:27:36,079 --> 00:27:39,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've learned a lot from you through the years, 517 00:27:39,079 --> 00:27:41,480 and last week you said something that I thought was brilliant, 518 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,440 and that is set aside some brown browns for winter, 519 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,960 because I'm always putting my broccoli scraps vegetable scraps into 520 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,240 my composter, and but I don't have in winter, I 521 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:52,480 don't have the browns. 522 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 3: So I think, do you know if that reminds me? 523 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,400 Speaker 2: Someone did say I don't know if it was on 524 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,920 YouTube or they wrote to the show, I don't recall, 525 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,799 but someone did share that they tear up paper grocery 526 00:28:01,839 --> 00:28:04,359 sacks because we were talking about how it used to 527 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,440 be that they used to just recommend newspaper and there 528 00:28:07,559 --> 00:28:09,920 was no shortage of newspaper. Now there is a massive 529 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,480 shortage of newspaper. If indeed, you can even find one, 530 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,720 so they tear up paper grocery sacks to provide some browns. 531 00:28:17,759 --> 00:28:20,279 Speaker 1: So, you know, while you were talking about the leaves 532 00:28:20,279 --> 00:28:24,039 to enshredding them. In my neighborhood, as long as we 533 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:28,079 have this scary show, I have two neighbors who are feuding. 534 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,039 Oh no, when the leaves have fallen off the trees. 535 00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:34,440 If one of the neighbors leaves the house and leaves 536 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,319 his garage door open, the other one will get out 537 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:38,160 his leaf blower. 538 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 3: And well that's the very nice I know. 539 00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:42,359 Speaker 1: But it's the wind, did it? 540 00:28:43,559 --> 00:28:45,519 Speaker 3: Wow? And you're witnessing all the wall. 541 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, from my living room. I'm sitting there having a. 542 00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:52,119 Speaker 2: This is like a real rear window kind of situation. 543 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,680 We had another question and I thought it was also 544 00:28:58,759 --> 00:29:02,519 very timely from Lily great name. I'm in Usda Zo 545 00:29:02,599 --> 00:29:05,519 nine A, and I like to transplant my roses from 546 00:29:05,519 --> 00:29:08,799 their planters to the ground this fall. They still have leaves, 547 00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:11,759 Should I prune them before transplanting? And if so, how 548 00:29:11,839 --> 00:29:13,720 much should I prune? 549 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:14,319 Speaker 3: So? 550 00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: Absolutely prune them. It's going to make it easier for you. 551 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,799 Speaker 2: Right, there's really nothing scarier than transplanting roses. I mean, 552 00:29:20,799 --> 00:29:22,680 I've been saying that about a lot of things this show, 553 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,759 so forgive me. It is the Little. 554 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 3: Shop of horticulture. 555 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,079 Speaker 2: But transplanting a rose is totally one of those easier 556 00:29:29,079 --> 00:29:32,599 said than done things. Now, I think that you can 557 00:29:32,759 --> 00:29:34,960 prune if you want, you don't really have to worry 558 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,319 about it. But I have to tell you my approach 559 00:29:37,359 --> 00:29:41,920 would be to not pruin them before transplanting, solely because 560 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,319 or at least not majorly prune them, because if you 561 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,079 have more to work with as you're trying to dig 562 00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:50,440 them out and move, that often makes it a little 563 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,160 bit easier than if you've kind of cut them down to, 564 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,000 you know, just a few inches or whatever. Then you know, 565 00:29:57,039 --> 00:29:59,960 you really have to kind of work with very little. 566 00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:03,160 And if you cause damage then and you have less 567 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,480 of the plant, then you're gonna have to prune that 568 00:30:05,599 --> 00:30:09,119 off anyway. So my general approach would be, yes, it's 569 00:30:09,119 --> 00:30:12,480 okay to prune, but I would typically save the pruning 570 00:30:12,839 --> 00:30:14,799 for after it's done. And what I would do when 571 00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:17,079 you've got all those unruly canes going all over the 572 00:30:17,079 --> 00:30:21,640 place is use some rope or an old pair of tits, 573 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,400 Although that's going to be a little bit tricky on 574 00:30:23,559 --> 00:30:26,319 a rose, but you know, just like a durable rope, 575 00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:30,200 put it into a ponytail and then gather that all 576 00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:32,319 up so that will help you get closer to the plant, 577 00:30:32,759 --> 00:30:34,799 and then that provides something that's much easier to move. 578 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,200 You can't do that if you cut it back to 579 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,279 little stump, So this isn't really a plant health issue. 580 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,359 You're absolutely free to prune them, and pruning and transplanting 581 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,359 often go very well together because no matter how careful 582 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,079 you are, there's always some root loss, so it's good 583 00:30:49,079 --> 00:30:51,519 to compensate with a little bit of loss from the 584 00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:52,960 top as well. 585 00:30:53,559 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: That's what I do with my ornamental grass is when 586 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,799 I cut them back, is I'll use the rope tie 587 00:30:59,079 --> 00:31:01,279 tie them in a tight bundle and then chop them 588 00:31:01,319 --> 00:31:01,960 off at the base. 589 00:31:02,039 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 2: So much easier than trying to get in there, and 590 00:31:04,759 --> 00:31:07,920 because that's a tough job too, So yes, it's totally 591 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,920 up to you. I think this is going to be 592 00:31:10,079 --> 00:31:12,599 a your mileage may very type of situation where it's 593 00:31:12,599 --> 00:31:14,680 going to depend on the rows and how big it 594 00:31:14,759 --> 00:31:18,359 is and how flexible it is. But usually if people 595 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,319 are planning to prune and transplant, I recommend giving yourself. 596 00:31:22,359 --> 00:31:24,480 Obviously you need to sometimes prune stuff so you can 597 00:31:24,599 --> 00:31:27,559 actually get into it, but give yourself a margin of 598 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:32,759 error of leaving the plant intact for that transplanting process 599 00:31:33,359 --> 00:31:36,440 and then go ahead and do your pruning once it's 600 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,680 in its new home. So that's just one approach. But 601 00:31:39,119 --> 00:31:42,279 you know, again, this is not a plant health based reason. 602 00:31:42,319 --> 00:31:47,279 This is a convenience in transplanting based reason. So thank 603 00:31:47,319 --> 00:31:49,440 you both for your questions. We're going to take a 604 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,039 little break. When we come back, we are going to 605 00:31:51,119 --> 00:31:54,960 be continuing a very scary conversation about creepy Crawley's and 606 00:31:55,119 --> 00:31:56,759 weeds and all that scary stuff. 607 00:31:56,799 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 3: So stay tuned. 608 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to the Gardening Simplified podcast, brought to 609 00:32:07,319 --> 00:32:10,319 you by Proven Winners Color Choice Shrubs. Our award winning 610 00:32:10,359 --> 00:32:13,400 flowering shrubs and evergreens are trialed and tested by experts 611 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,400 with your success in mind. Learn more at Proven Winners 612 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,000 color Choice dot com. 613 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,839 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Little Shop of Horticulture, Stacy. We 614 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,200 could probably do three, four five shows on this because 615 00:32:26,279 --> 00:32:29,200 thinking about it, for example, someone could say you haven't 616 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,359 mentioned poison ivy yet, and is poison ivy the worst 617 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,839 thing growing on planet Earth? Some people would argue that 618 00:32:36,319 --> 00:32:40,720 maybe it's a harsh assessment as far as summertime problems go. 619 00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:44,759 A bad case of poison ivy competes with horrible sunburn, 620 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,599 a swarm of black fly and mosquito bites. Or how 621 00:32:48,599 --> 00:32:53,599 about the ubiquitous European paper wasp that loves to congregate 622 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:59,200 under your deck, your patio furniture, and when disturbed, packs 623 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,119 a punch. There's all kinds of weeds like bind weed. 624 00:33:03,279 --> 00:33:06,759 I call that frankenvine is what I call it. And 625 00:33:06,839 --> 00:33:09,799 there are different types of bind weed. There's a hedge 626 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,880 bind weed, and then there's one that's a relative to 627 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,960 the morning glory family called field bind weed. And this 628 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,200 thing is a real problem. And I think we have 629 00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:22,960 to take our cues from the agriculture industry, and that 630 00:33:23,119 --> 00:33:27,119 is bind weed can become a real problem in fields. 631 00:33:27,559 --> 00:33:31,400 And the problem that it creates Stacey is not necessarily 632 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:36,359 the esthetic issues, but its root system is extensive and 633 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,880 it sucks a lot of water out of the ground, 634 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,880 and if you have a year like we had this 635 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,079 past year with drought and heat, can create some problems. 636 00:33:45,319 --> 00:33:47,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, I think one of the biggest 637 00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:50,200 issues and I'm certainly guilty of this. Well before I 638 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,039 was in horticulture school, but when I was working as 639 00:33:52,039 --> 00:33:55,559 a landscaper. You're out there, you're weeding, You're like, oh, 640 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,240 a wild morning glory. How lovely exactly because the flowers 641 00:33:59,279 --> 00:34:01,880 do look very much like a morning glory. And so 642 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,000 if you have this in your yard and you're weeding, 643 00:34:05,039 --> 00:34:07,599 you might be inclined to say, hey, this is perfectly lovely. 644 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,000 I'm going to leave this go. You should not. 645 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:11,039 Speaker 3: You will regret it. 646 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,079 Speaker 2: Not to mention that by letting it go to flour 647 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,599 you're just going to get more seeds to spread more, 648 00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:20,000 and that is really scary thing about weeds. They're very 649 00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:25,800 very successful at spreading and growing. So look up bind weed. 650 00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:27,639 There may be different types of bind weed that are 651 00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:30,039 native to your area, and know what you're dealing with, 652 00:34:30,119 --> 00:34:32,519 so you don't just think that you have some special 653 00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:34,480 wild morning glory popping up in your yard. 654 00:34:34,599 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. Some people refer to it common name as devil's 655 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:42,599 weed or devil's guts, so careful gy, Yeah it is. 656 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:47,039 How about Dodd. It's an annual seed bearing parasitic vine. 657 00:34:47,039 --> 00:34:50,119 Now more of a problem in the south than it is. 658 00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:53,760 Let's say here, in the north or with our Canadian friends. 659 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:58,480 But this is, you know, one of these parasitic type vines. 660 00:34:58,519 --> 00:35:01,559 It's fascinating how it well, you know, the seeds will 661 00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:05,039 fall to the soil, and then when the growing season starts, 662 00:35:05,079 --> 00:35:07,559 it starts to grow and it tries to find something 663 00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:10,960 to latch onto, and then once it does, it abandons 664 00:35:11,039 --> 00:35:14,159 the roots and basically sucks the life out of the 665 00:35:14,199 --> 00:35:18,320 plant that it's consuming. Dotter, it's an annual seed bearing 666 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,360 parasitic vine that's got to be in the shop of horror. 667 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, And I distinctly remember the first time that 668 00:35:25,519 --> 00:35:29,840 I ever encountered daughter and I freaked out. I mean it, so, 669 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,760 you know, you're obviously you're envisioning sort of everything that 670 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,440 Rick just describes so well. But what Rick didn't mention 671 00:35:35,679 --> 00:35:37,800 is that it is this bright yellow orange color. 672 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:39,760 Speaker 3: So it's not green. 673 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 2: It is this weird bright yellow orange that looks like 674 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,480 something that like dropped out of some sort of alien 675 00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:49,320 ship or something. And yeah, I remember, so I was 676 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,559 working again as a landscaper, going way back here to 677 00:35:51,639 --> 00:35:54,719 all of those those old times, and we had this 678 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,039 little kind of bed at the entrance to a subdivision 679 00:35:57,119 --> 00:35:59,000 or a condo development or something like that, and there 680 00:35:59,039 --> 00:36:02,119 was it was all planted with you know, annuals and 681 00:36:02,639 --> 00:36:05,519 one time, you know, we came there to do our annualine, 682 00:36:05,559 --> 00:36:08,360 our our weekly or bi weekly weeding or whatever, and 683 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,159 the whole bed was covered in this orange spaghetti looking thing. 684 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 1: Crazy. 685 00:36:13,039 --> 00:36:15,559 Speaker 2: It happened so fast, you know, because we were doing 686 00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:18,159 relatively regular maintenance. Adriana is going for her phone because 687 00:36:18,199 --> 00:36:20,440 she's got to get the mental image. So if you 688 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,239 need the mental image, be sure to check us out 689 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:22,920 on YouTube. 690 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Stacy, let me quick mention if you're keeping 691 00:36:25,159 --> 00:36:27,280 score at home or you're in the car listening on 692 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,280 the radio or podcast d O D D E R. 693 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,519 Speaker 2: Yes, scot cascuda is its scientific name. Adriana has a 694 00:36:35,519 --> 00:36:37,360 big frown on her face because she just looked up 695 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,599 the daughter c us c us t a. So it's 696 00:36:40,679 --> 00:36:44,760 kind of a fun, uh scientific name. But yeah, So 697 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:50,119 then it makes these little suckering structures that it attaches 698 00:36:50,159 --> 00:36:53,760 to the host plant with. They're called astoria H A 699 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,320 U S T R I A and yeah, so there 700 00:36:57,559 --> 00:37:00,280 they aren't just using the plant's as structure that they 701 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,519 literally make these little mouth like structures that directly connect 702 00:37:04,679 --> 00:37:08,800 to the plants, and they are literally sucking the xylum 703 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,320 and connecting to the xylum and flow and sucking the 704 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,519 water and sugar out of the host plant. And yet 705 00:37:14,559 --> 00:37:17,519 once it is established, it totally disconnects from the ground. 706 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,519 So you can't even trace this thing back and find 707 00:37:21,559 --> 00:37:24,559 a place to pull it and sever it if you 708 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,239 have daughter. If you had daughter in a bed, then 709 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:31,000 I would honestly just recommend that you take out everything 710 00:37:31,039 --> 00:37:33,159 that's in it, and I would use a pre emergent 711 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,440 in that bed, even if that means that you couldn't 712 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,400 grow something that you wanted to. And of course a 713 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,000 pre emergent is fine as long as you're not trying 714 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,039 to grow from seed. Daughter is a true annual, so 715 00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:44,480 you don't have to worry about the plant returning. But 716 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,480 as a weed, it does put out a ton of seeds. 717 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,199 And yeah, you don't see it often here, but you 718 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:49,760 do see it. 719 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:54,280 Speaker 1: So, yeah, the plants are weakly photosynthetic. More So, as 720 00:37:54,320 --> 00:38:00,519 Stacey mentioned, the host storia basically just tap into the 721 00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:03,519 plant's vasculars Yep, they just. 722 00:38:03,159 --> 00:38:06,400 Speaker 2: Chuck the juices right out like a barnacle or something. 723 00:38:06,639 --> 00:38:11,880 Speaker 1: I've got a hot take. Hot take controversial plant in 724 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,960 my shop of horticultural horrors, and people are going to 725 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:21,000 be upset with me, oh marigolds, But again, remember I 726 00:38:21,039 --> 00:38:24,440 come from the garden center industry. I have handled hundreds 727 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,360 and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of flats over the 728 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:31,119 course of my lifetime. And when you've handled fifty two thousand, 729 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,159 five hundred and sixty seven flats of marigolds and you 730 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,880 smell like them, you do not like marigles hardy. I 731 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,360 had to get that, all right, fair you had your 732 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:44,360 win chimes. I got my marigolds, hardy orchid, broad leaf 733 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,440 helleborine drives me crazy. And then we've got to mention 734 00:38:48,679 --> 00:38:51,920 for a lot of people, especially on the East coast Northeast, 735 00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:55,920 are dealing with spotted lantern fly. And this thing is 736 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,239 an invasive species that has spread to eighteen states in 737 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:04,519 the United States. Key areas that have been affected are Pennsylvania, 738 00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:08,679 New Jersey, Maryland, Delaware, New York, Virginia. But it's moving along. 739 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,719 We're waiting for it here in Michigan to appear. And 740 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,960 this is an invasive insect that will basically do damage 741 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:22,519 to all kinds of plants, but loves the tree of heaven. Yeah, 742 00:39:22,519 --> 00:39:29,079 ilanthis and ilanthus is another shop of horticulture horrors. That 743 00:39:29,159 --> 00:39:31,320 tree is it is? So I got to mention it. 744 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,320 Speaker 2: No, and that's good to mention because now, especially if 745 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,320 you live in an area, well, maybe it's not a 746 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,639 good idea to remove any ilanthis if you don't have 747 00:39:38,679 --> 00:39:41,119 spotted lantern fly yet, because then that just means they're 748 00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:43,920 going to eat your other stuff as soon as they arrive. 749 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,719 And they're like, wait, what, no, right, exactly, better go 750 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,000 eat your Japanese maple because maple is one of their 751 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,119 favorite other foods and when they can't get the ilanthis. 752 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,679 But yeah, and unfortunately it's just a matter of time 753 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,920 because they One of the main ways that they spread 754 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,159 is if you make a nice road trip to an 755 00:40:01,159 --> 00:40:03,440 area where there is spotted lantern fly, they love to 756 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,840 lay their eggs on cars. Yeah, and so that is 757 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,159 one of the ways. You know, it's not just a 758 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,719 situation where the insect itself is just flying and you know, 759 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,519 moving its range a little bit here and there. Humans 760 00:40:14,559 --> 00:40:18,199 are actively playing apart. It's spreading it by you know, 761 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:19,760 accidentally transporting the eggs. 762 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,719 Speaker 1: And in that adult stage, they don't necessarily have to 763 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,719 fly as a matter of fact, they like to go 764 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,000 for a walk. They take a walk. So if you're 765 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,199 out there on the patio in summer and you've got one, 766 00:40:29,559 --> 00:40:32,159 you're sweating and they're crawling up the back of your neck. 767 00:40:32,639 --> 00:40:35,320 Speaker 3: Have you seen one yet a spotted lantern fly? 768 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,159 Speaker 1: My daughter has described in detail to me what it's 769 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,320 like to sit in Pennsylvania. Oh, okay, and when she 770 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:43,079 was living there. 771 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,360 Speaker 2: Oh, I have not seen one yet. I truly dread 772 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,960 the day when I do. But yeah, anyone I know 773 00:40:49,039 --> 00:40:51,800 on the East Coast is just, you know, saying horrible 774 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,480 things about you know, how they're just ruining your ability 775 00:40:54,519 --> 00:40:57,400 to sit outside, and they just they can conglomerate. So 776 00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,880 there's bunches of them. But at least when there's a 777 00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:01,639 lot a lot of them, you can you know, kill 778 00:41:01,639 --> 00:41:03,840 a whole bunch at once with like a fly swater. 779 00:41:04,039 --> 00:41:06,119 So get to know what they look like, so you know, 780 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,320 if they do reach you what they're actually quite pretty. 781 00:41:11,519 --> 00:41:12,880 I mean I hate to say that about them because 782 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,159 they are so destructive, but they are quite lovely. 783 00:41:15,559 --> 00:41:17,639 Speaker 1: We've got to include on the list, and there are 784 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,119 hundreds of plants and invasive species we could include, and 785 00:41:21,159 --> 00:41:23,000 we're gonna have to do an additional show on this, 786 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:24,719 but I got to make sure to throw in here 787 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:29,719 calorie pair. Good intentions got out of control. You know, 788 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,960 it's one of the first trees to bloom in the spring, 789 00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:36,559 covered with white flowers that have this objectionable fouls smell 790 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,440 to them. Some people say they smell like mothballs or 791 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:44,159 ammonia or whatever, but it just doesn't smell well. The 792 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:49,119 tree grows at upright angles with weak crotches that break 793 00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:53,920 with age. And of course, Stacey, the problem here this 794 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:58,880 plant has become highly invasive and crowds out native species. 795 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,960 Speaker 2: Oh, the invasive on this plant is really out of control. 796 00:42:02,039 --> 00:42:04,840 I mean, if you drive pretty much anywhere at least 797 00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,840 I can speak for the eastern half of the US 798 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,039 anywhere in the spring when it's in bloom. You know, 799 00:42:10,039 --> 00:42:11,760 you don't really notice it too much when it's not 800 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,599 in bloom, but when it is in bloom, you just 801 00:42:13,639 --> 00:42:17,280 see how utterly widespread it has become. And this isn't 802 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,400 as simple as just saying like, oh, hey, I'll just 803 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,280 take my little trowel with me on a hike and 804 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,760 you know, take up any invasive species. I mean, you 805 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,199 need a chainsaw to manage this invasive species and that 806 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:27,280 is dangerous. 807 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:27,840 Speaker 3: Scary. 808 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:32,679 Speaker 1: You got it, boy, what a scary show. Maintain your composture. 809 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,679 We're here for you in coming weeks and we'd love 810 00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,880 your questions and your comments. Send them to us. Remember 811 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,880 we're on YouTube, podcast and radio. Thank you Stacy Rick 812 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:47,000 or re ooh Rick Rick or treat. 813 00:42:48,199 --> 00:42:49,440 Speaker 3: Rick or treat everybody. 814 00:42:49,559 --> 00:42:52,360 Speaker 1: Thank you, Rick, Thank you very much. Thanks Adriana, and 815 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:53,840 thank you. Have a great week.