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let's dive in to today's episode, like to welcome to
the show, Galen, How you doing.
Speaker 2: Gil Ken, how are you? Thank you so much for
excited to be here.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming down to the Next
Level Soul Studios. I really appreciate it. I'm you know,
we met through a mutual friend, Susie Miller, who absolutely
adore yes and she her episode was amazing on the show,
and she she recommended I take a look at you
and what you're doing, and we spoke and I was
just opening up Next Level Soul TV. I was in
the preparary motions of building up that streaming platform. And
then you're like, oh, I have a documentary and I'm like,
let me look at it. I watched the documentary. I'm like,
oh my god, this would be an amazing addition to
the platform. Would you be interested? She's like absolutely, And
it was just worked very synergetically because you had no
idea I was building that at the time. I am
because no one knows about it. And you know, as
of this recording, they'll know about it. But before no
one really knew that I was building out this entire
like spiritual healing, you know, light filled platform, and your
film was just a perfect thing. It's called It's Time.
So when I went down the rabbit hole that I
was like, oh, I have to have her on and
we now you're here, so we're going to talk all
about what you're doing and your journey. So my first
question to you is you had some health issues early
on in your life, and you've tried everything and you're
trying to figure things out. So can you talk to
everybody a little bit about what was happening to you
and then what kind of turn what turned the dial
for you?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, Well I started out in engineering at a
young age, and then I moved on to telecom, and
then I moved into Hollywood. And after those three careers,
in what twenty five years, I was finding I had
migraine headaches, I had insomnia, I had thyroid issues, I
had liver issues. My hair was falling out, if you
can believe that, and I had cystic acne. Just and
I'm thinking I'm thirty seven years old. You know that
happens when you get older.
Speaker 1: Right well, by the way, and I could attest anyone
who does work in Hollywood. These are the symptoms.
Speaker 2: So I almost had a nervous breakdown, I mean stress.
Hence and seven years of that, you know, raising the
money and doing it. I mean, I feel like Hollywood
is so many different businesses. From the time that you
write the business plan, you raise the money, you do
pre production, post production, editing, marketing, film festivals. There's all
these different businesses you have to learn. And so at
the end of that, I was I was spent, and
I knew I was really sick. But again here's me, Oh,
your im thirty and I'm getting older. I'm fifty four now.
I am so happy to be in fifty four. I
am so happy with how I feel. I love my life.
It's amazing. But at that time, I was like, if
I don't make some changes, I'm not going to make it.
But I thought I was really good in corporate America
and even Hollywood. It's like project management, producer, project manager,
and that's what I was good at. And so I
was always told the biggest sin of all is not
using your god given gift. And my god given gift
was operations and project management. I was really really good
at it. So I started to seek out different alternative
And I had been trying to seek out alternative methods
since I was in my twenties because I always had
YaST infections. Okay, Now, nobody told me you get a
East affection if you drink a mountain dew and eat
a Snickers bar and have pasta for lunch and pasta
for dinner every day. Nobody told me.
Speaker 1: That with redsticks.
Speaker 2: I'm sure godsticks allove garden, right, So I said, okay.
Now in my twenties, I was getting a East infection
every month, and I'm sure there's women out there that'll
relate to this. It was just yeast and candida just
building up every month. And so then I realized, oh,
I can cut out the pasta, cut out the sugar,
and the East infections go away. Wow. Great. And then
I was watching my grandma. She had diabetes, and my
mom said, oh, diabetes runs in our family. I was okay, Well,
grandma worked at the bakery, eight danishes off the line
every day. That's why she has diabetes. And you know,
my mom for after breakfast, after lunch, after dinner, we
would have dessert. You know, we were limited to dessert,
but it was sugar, sugar, sugar. So I realized that
that's had to change. So at an early age in
my twenties, I started look at health and I started
to realize hydration is important and eating well is important.
So when I came up, you know, into my thirties,
and I'm sick, and I say, okay, what can I do?
I tried western medicine. I haven't worked for a doctor's
office when I was seventeen, and my migraines started at
seventeen years old. And when that happened, my mom had
no idea what was happening. And I just remember being
in bed and I couldn't get into the light, I
couldn't talk. Scared her half to death. So when I
asked the doctor, what can we do for migraines? Oh, no,
one knows why people get migraines, So there's nothing we
can do that put me on a drug. And I
didn't want that. I knew that. I mean, even at
a young age, I knew there was more than just
drugging it up taking pills surgeries, and so at thirty seven,
I said, what else can I do? So I was
at a sea level conference and there was a man
that gets on stage and he says sound in light therapy,
and he has this light box and it was a
rectangular box. Okay, this is a little bit weird. My
engineering mind is thinking, okay, what is this thing? And
he shows a presentation a little boy that when you
see his face there's no soul behind the eyes. And
he didn't have hair, he didn't have teeth. And this
woman was saying, you know, no one gets to say
that my kid is never going to have hair, never
gonna have teeth, never gonna talk. And so mother's love
is so powerful and you can't you know, doctors can't
put an expiration date on these kids because the mother's
not going to let that happen. So she found this
light box. So I'm watching the presentation. I'm looking at
this little boy and as he does sessions the little boy,
you see a soul come into the eyes. Wait a minute,
what is this? And so I bully my way up
to the stage. After the presentation, the little boy does
come on stage with arm crutches and he's hair and
he has teeth and he's walking and I'm thinking, oh
my gosh, this crazy light box did this and it
was just sound in light therapy my way up to
the stage and I say too, and I said, can
this help with migraine headaches? I just saw this kid, right,
but that's what plagued me. And he says, the body
doesn't know disease by name, and I'm like, what an idiot,
it's not an answer. I'm from corporate America. Give me
a yes or a no. Well, now, knowing what I
know about, you can't make claims. And that was a
perfect answer. The body doesn't know disease by name. Something's imbalanced,
there's something going on. So I flew to a location
that he had and within like two sessions, the severe
cardiovascular stress was gone. And I started to get a
migraine while I was there. Come on, you know, you
never know when you're going to get one, and it
went away really quickly. Weird, Okay, there's something to this.
And when I got home after four sessions, I got
home and I rode my bicycle up a hill, which
I had asked since I was four, and I got
to the top of the hill, and I can Breathe
couldn't have been that silly light box, of course, because
my engineering mind, there's no way. And then I went
to the eye doctor and he said, why are you
wearing glasses? Your eyesight's twenty twenty. I said, I've been
wearing glasses since I was nineteen. He said, well, you
don't need glasses. Okay, did this sound in light therapy?
Speaker 1: Do this?
Speaker 2: We're vibrational beings of light and sound from source from God.
Why aren't we healing with sound in light? That's when
I just dove into everything. I dove into sound in
light therapy. I read over two hundred books, and eventually
everything went away. The systic acne went away, the hair
grew back in, got off, my thyroid, meds, my liver, heeled,
my migraines. I haven't had one for knock on wood
fifteen years. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: So how is that?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 1: I have to ask because I always like to play
Devil's advocate here, how in hell is this happening?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: What is the technology? What is the science behind this?
Because it's not just woo woo stuff like you know,
like hey, here's a crystal, and not that there's anything
wrong with crystals. But you know what I mean, Like
if like you know, you're just throwing, like throwing an
herb on top of you and or sage is smoking
and everything's going to work out, that doesn't seem to
make a whole lot of logical sense. Now, obviously your
your results are speak for themselves, but what was the technology?
What was the science? Is there a science behind this healing?
Speaker 3: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show.
Speaker 2: So it's a great question. That's what I dove into.
And I thought, I'm lying in this light box with
on a four inch phone pad and it's got these
like automotive speakers underneath, and you're looking up at a
clearly painted rainbow colored light bulb. How can this even work?
So when I started diving into the science of it,
if we're vibrational beings of light and set you know,
from source, then sound and light can heal us. The
sunlight can heal us. We know that, And so I
started looking at the music, the type of music, because
I did purchase two of these light boxes, opened up
a center in twenty ten in Denver and having amazing results,
and just asking the people like, what are you doing?
Is this all you're doing? Are you doing something else?
And most of the people were so desperate that they
would try to lie in this silly light box right
and see what happened. And so when I started studying
the waveforms of instruments, this is where I think it
came in. I looked at the selfagio suite and the
different frequencies, and when I looked at the wave forms
of instruments, the flute has a really simple waveform and
it's affecting the liver. And so many people I'd put
them in the box on flute music and they would
tell me, oh, I felt some uncomfortableness in my right
side here, that's where your liver is. And then I
started to look at the chakras in the colors. So
what I put together is drumming can help that waveform
can help bring the root chakra back into balance, as
well as red light. And so started building a protocol
around the waveforms of instruments colors of light. And when
you look at Edgar Casey's work and Edgar Casey's consciousness
came into this royal RIfS Wilhelm Reich. It's a bit
of an Oregon box. Nikola Tesla and I started to
bring this all together. When you bring together the spiritual
forces of sound and the spiritual forces of light, as
Edgar says, it's a great modality for the future. He
said that in the forties a little bit ahead, well,
Edgar was a little bit heaviest at a head.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very very interesting. So okay, so let's dive in
a little bit. I mean, let's take them one at
a time. So sound therapy. Let's go through sound therapy first.
I understand the idea of vibration or frequency that we
all are. We all are at a frequency scientifically that's determined.
Planets ring at a certain frequency. The universe has a
certain frequency to it. How does this sound bring things
back into can you explain if there is a science
behind what is happening to the body.
Speaker 2: Well, do you know, David Hawkins, power verses forced. So
if you look at people live in fear and they're
at a very low vibration, And this is where I
think I can answer the question that maybe it will
make sense. Shame, guilt, fear, those kind of emotions are
a low vibration. Love is the highest vibration. So when
you can elevate to a place of love, I don't
believe disease lives there. I believe that disease lives in
fear and shame and guilt. And even when I went
to a conference called Music as Medicine, we went to Barcelona,
and I raised my hand and I asked, you know,
are they using the waveforms of instruments? Are they using
the frequencies? And these were all a lot of doctors,
and the doctors that were on the stage were saying, oh, no,
we're letting people listen to their favorite music, if it's
you know, rap music or whatever. I'm thinking, I don't
think it works that way. I think that the musician
also has to have a certain vibration for the music
to be of healing nature. And so I think when
we raise our vibration, that's when we come into balance,
we come into harmony, we come into love, we come
into our highest self in kindness, ingratitude. And so I
kind of explained to people when they're at that lower vibration,
living in fear or anger or guilt, they're susceptible to
disease because disease is attracted to that so if I
have to explain different frequencies. There's also the selfaggio sweet
five twenty eight herds. They say it's a frequency of
love or it heals the DNA. Everybody has a guess.
I don't think there is one size fits all. And
so what if you're vibrating at six hundred herts or
eight hundred herts. Now, when David Hawkins wrote his book,
I think eleven hundred herts or maybe it was a
thousand hurts was the Christ consciousness the Christ vibration. But
when he passed away he even said it's higher. Now
it's you know, twelve hundred, it's going up. So what
I talk to people about is the higher the vibration,
then it seems like the healthier that you are.
Speaker 1: Is there a way to record to find out what vibration?
Is there some sort of method to find out out?
Speaker 2: People use the pendulum in muscle checking, but you have
to be really careful with muscle checking. I mean, if
I'm going to muscle check do I need chocolate, I'm
going to probably get a yes. I'm going to make
it a yes, right, yes, yes, for sure, idea, I
definitely need chocolate. But you know, people will will do
muscle checking and they have to be really careful. I've
had so many doctors and physicians do muscle checking and say, oh,
this modality isn't right for you, but they don't know
anything about it.
Speaker 1: Will you say, is it muscle checking different than muscle testing?
Speaker 2: I think it's the same.
Speaker 1: Okayeah.
Speaker 2: So some people do the test, some people do the arms,
some people do this, some people do you know this,
And so when you're doing that kind of stuff you
have to be really careful because emotions can get in
the way. And I do think our consciousness comes into play.
I had a doctor and he said, oh, no, one's
testing to do you know, the sound and light therapy.
Once I educated him on what sound and light therapy was,
that everybody was testing to need it, so it's it
came into his consciousness. Interesting.
Speaker 1: Interesting, Yeah, So there's when you were talking, something just
popped into my head. Was that documentary from the Japanese
researcher with sound on the particles of water? Yes, yes, yes, yes,
Emoto where he was able to project sound but also
just words, just writing the word love on a bottle
of water and writing the word hate on a bottle
of water, letting it sit overnight, and then the next
morning putting them both underneath a microscope, and literally there'd
be something different, Like one was beautiful, the other one
was like edgy and off and and very destraorted, which
is a fascinating idea. So and then when you yell
at a plant or play it, you know, you know,
speed metal versus versus you know, something classical, you there's
literal differences in the way they grow. So sound has been,
it's it's always been something very powerful to us. But
it's I think more and more coming into play that
people are starting to recognize on a more mainstream level
that there's something here. It's not just woo woo and
chakras and crystals and you know and pachuli. That's from
the seventies, right, But that's where a lot of this
stuff originated. From the sixties of the hippie movement is
where it really came up. Not many people were in
the fifties talking about this. Edgar was one of the
few in the forties, But the sixties is where a
lot of this came up, and a lot of it
was you know, washed away with the same they threw
the baby out with the bathwater with a lot of
these ideas, but now over the decades, people are starting
to come around to not only just like the idea
of it, but the science behind it. So like in
the documentary and It's Time, one of your guests, one
of your speakers was showing an example of what a
certain vibration on the speaker. Yeah, and they threw sand
on it, and every I think frequency see automatically had
its own geometric, sacred geometry that just formed automatically. Yep,
that's insane. How does that? Can you explain that?
Speaker 2: I can't explain that, but I can. We can talk
around the Emoto thing and we'll kind of go to
the tones and different things too. So with Emoto's work,
you're right, and it's beautiful, perfect snowflakes when you're talking
about love and gratitude, But then when you talk about
hate and anger and fear, then the crystals are all gnarly.
They're ugly. Think about our body mostly water. Think about
when we say, oh, I'm so stupid. Oh that's that
was dumb that you did that. Think about what we're
doing to the cells in our body. So when I
watched the movie, what the Bleep when she was writing
The Little Hearts, I did that for a while. I'm like,
I'm just gonna take my little eyeliner pencil and make
little hearts all over my body because I want to
love myself. And so many people don't love themselves, and
so think about their gnarly cells and think about them
attracting other people that don't love themselves, and so that
vibration that they're attracting.
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Speaker 2: And so there's another part too of the cymatics. You
wanted to talk about the cymatics, Yes, it creates mendala forms.
So I've talked to Jon Stewart Reed, he's kind of
the modern day cymatics expert, and we've talked about music
and the different frequencies, and it doesn't creates this beautiful
mandala effect different frequencies, and so think about what those
frequencies are doing to our bodies. And that's really where
I love talking about. And then what if you've tied
a lot of astrologies on the show Astrologers and they
talk about when you were born. What if when you
were born you were missing a tone from your voice
and that created an illness or disease that's common. So
a lot of people say, oh, Scorpio, I'm scorpio. Scorpios
have a lot of colon issues. Well, maybe that's because
when you dropped on the planet, there was a tone
missing from your voice. So there's now voice analysis people
that do you record your voice and they'll tell you you're
missing the tone of G sharp, or you're missing the
tone of F sharp or F or c and it
correlates really well to what's going on with their body.
I used to do this in my center and I
had a lady come in and I listened to her voice,
and it's it's something you have to do. It's not
like you just say ten nine eight seven, six, you
know whatever. You want to talk to them about their childhood.
You're using a digital tuner in a microphone and you're
six feet away from them. There's no you know, the
six feet that we had to social didsty I don't
think there was an accident about that. How our auras
connect with each other. So you're about six feet away
from them and you talk to them about their childhood,
you talk to them about their relationship with their parents
and say they have a pain in their body, they
have a hit pain. You let them give that pain
an audible voice, and they might just be like, oh,
I know, it's terrible. But then at the end of
that session you ask them what would the audible voice
be if you didn't have to deal with that pain,
and maybe they'd be That's when the missing tone comes in.
So think about how powerful our bodies are and our
minds that even though they still have that pain, when
they just gave that voice, that they didn't have that
pain anymore and that missing tone shows up. How incredible
is this? What is going on that?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 2: I had clients. They used to come in and my
one client worked on stained glass windows and a lead
a lot of heavy metals. When she came in, she
had a raspy voice because she had so many metals
in her body, and sound in light therapy can detox
heavy metals as well as dark leafy greens and other things,
and so she would leave with a different voice.
Speaker 1: How is that possible?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you detox this that kind of is a trauma.
Heavy metals is a trauma. Sure, So that trauma created
her to have a missing tone, which made her voice raspy.
When she released those metals, her voice changed.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I said, and I might be
making making this up or I'm misunderstanding it, but there
was something I saw somewhere in the social media world
or on YouTube or something that they were they were
finding out that they can actually target cancer cells with
sound at the frequency of the I don't know if
it's the frequency of the cancer cellers something where. In
other words, it's non evasive and it could just go
in and basically eradicates that that cancer is cell while
not touching anything else. Again, I'm not making any claims
or anything like that. It's just something I heard. Have
you heard of anything something similar? What is that?
Speaker 2: So one hundred and eleven hurts, some people were saying,
But if you think about it, everybody's frequency is different
in the morning, and it's different in the evening, and
it's different in different seasons, right, So just like the
Shulmann frequency. So and then Royal Raife had it. He
had it down, but he used a universal microscope and
he's stained the cells for each individual client patient, so
he could see where he where they were, meet them
where they are. But a lot of people are using
the rife frequencies now that he used in the forties
or fifties. There isn't the same frequency anymore. It's different,
so it's going to be different for every body. There
is no one size fits all. We're all wired differently.
So I believe if he was still around in using
that universal microscope and staining the cells, we could really
dial in to what the frequency of each person's let's say,
dis cancer or any disease and eradicate it with an
exact opposite frequency to neutralize it from the cell.
Speaker 1: It's all in the scientific stace.
Speaker 2: I think it can work, but it's not going to
be the same for everybody.
Speaker 1: So has this been kind of tested in the scientific space,
like what kind of you know, scientific studies. Has there
been peer reviews or anything like that that's even been
or even rudimentary research, because I know how the medical
establishment is, so is there any sort of medical research
about this stuff?
Speaker 2: So the people who are doing sound in light don't
have millions of dollars or billions of dollars to do
these studies. So I have tried, you know, but I
don't think that studying twenty people between the ages of
sixteen and ninety is a really controlled study. So I've
had doctors call me, well, did you you know, have
you done a controlled study? I go for me, a
controlled study is that it's the they're the same sex,
they're the same age, they're the same they have the
same mother and father, they had the same job, they
lived in the same city, they had the same diet.
That would be a controlled study. When they say they
do a controlled study and they're ranged from you know,
eighteen to ninety years old, males and females, sick and
not sick. Yeah, So for me, that doesn't tell me.
You know, I'm an engineer, and that doesn't tell me anything.
I need to see consistency. So I don't think there's
a lot out there. People have made, you know, theories,
but there's I don't think there's enough money to fund
these kinds of studies.
Speaker 1: So the sound So as far as sound therapy is concerned,
how long has that been? Around years? Okay, so within
the last you know it was. Is there anything in
ancient history talking about sound therapy? Yeah? What cultures?
Speaker 2: The ancient Egyptians, the Sumerians, the Aborigines, the Native Americans,
the Greeks, all of them have something and that's it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and even if it was think about the digeridoo. Yeah,
And there is research out there that the digerido can
help to heal bones, and there's research out there about flutes,
and there's even stuff in the Bible about musicians using
instruments to get rid of anger for certain characters in
the Bible. So it's out there, it's been out there,
But I don't think that there's a lot of money
to be made by sitting in the sun or listening
to music or grounding or grounding.
Speaker 1: Right or something. Sound baths are all the rage, now,
what is is that just another kind of version of
this where you're hitting you know, you know, each of
those bulls have a certain frequency, and then if you
get the gong, each gong is at a certain frequency
and so on. Is that kind of like a because
I've had sound baths done they're amazing, Yeah, and they
just kind of like it's like this, it's literally what
it's all a sound bath. So you're being constantly bombarded
with this sound at multiple frequencies. It's not like a
healing scenario per se, like very surgical like with this
frequency to hit that, but it's an overall like you're
hitting with all these kinds of frequencies, and after I
was done with many of them, I just feel like
I feel good. I don't know what the hell's going on,
but I feel good about it. Can you talk a
little bit about that.
Speaker 2: So there's group healing and then there's individual healing, and
so I love sound baths into the gong bass and
you know, crystal bowls and the little chimes, and I
just go to another place. What happens with me is
an mpath and I'm sure lots of your audience are
n paths. I end up picking things up that people released, Yeah,
and it's just a thing. So I believe that there's
healers out there that are brilliant and they know how
to clear the room before and after. But there's healers
out there that aren't. So people are walking out the
door with other people's baggage. They got the wrong bag
at the baggage claim, you know, and they're carrying someone
else's baggage out, So we want to be really careful
about that. I like I like individual healing because I
think when we heal ourselves, then we heal the planet,
you know, individually, so, but I love these things. I
think they're the sound bass. There was an article not
too long ago it says Jim Carrey was seen leaving
a sound bath, you know. So it is catching on,
it is becoming mainstream. It is the they say it's
the medicine of the future, but the future is now.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, people are talking about sound more than I've ever
had before. I've had some guests on who talk about
sound healing, sound frequency and what the magic of it is.
But it is a very powerful you can viscerally feel it.
I mean you can't. It's kind of like when you
go to an opera or you go to a classical,
you know, an orchestra or a symphony or something along
those lines. The energy that you feel coming from you know,
people who understand, like the performers who are at the
top of their level, know how to play those instruments
so perfectly. You feel this wave. I mean, people are
brought to tears, people are brought to the emotions because
the vibrations, the frequencies of these sounds are so powerful.
So sound is no joke, right, Oh.
Speaker 2: My gosh, I love it. I'm obsessed with it now,
and you know, looking at the different instruments, looking at
the different historical societies that have used it. I went
to Egypt and I felt like I brought back a
lot of the Egyptian energy into you know, my technology.
And then I went to Greece. I told my boyfriend,
I said, we need to go to Greece because I
have to go to the e Iscle bios healing area
and pull some energy from there. And people will come
in and say, oh my gosh, there's Egyptian energy in here,
there's Greek energy in here. Everything's energy and it's just
such a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1: So with everything that people know nowadays about healing, the
term healing is very interesting because when you go to
you know, you have a headache and you take an aspirin,
you healed, quote unquote, what is your definition of true healing?
Speaker 2: True healing to me is you'd heal at the root. Okay,
so some people are going to take a mask to
put a band aid on it. And that's when I
knew that a drug was going to do for my migraines.
It's just going to put a band aid on it.
So what is the root cause of this? And there's
books Louise Hay and Michael Lincoln messages from the body,
like why are you having this? What is the root
cause of it? And so when I looked at migraines,
it could have been issues with liver, kidneys, but more
importantly dysautonomia, which is an imbalance in the autonomic nervous system,
so basically stuck in fight or flight. That could be parasites.
It could be heavy metals. So that's why doctors say
we don't know why people get migraines. There's the same
with tenitis or tentatus. There's so many reasons why people
could have it. Could be inflammation, could be liver, could
be kidneys, could be heavy metals, could be parasites. A
lot of people have epstein bar virus right now and
it seems to be a mutation of the old strap.
I don't know when you were a kid, did you
have strap?
Speaker 1: I had strip a few years ago. Okay, I have children,
because that's fine, they're lovely.
Speaker 2: Right gifts.
Speaker 1: You just licked the floor when we walk into a place,
Just lick the en haandstad it, just lick the seats.
Just let's why are we wasting time?
Speaker 2: I see little kids crawling onto the floor, they drop
for you and they pick it up, they eat it.
You know, it's like they're they're good.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, well they have to build their immune systems.
I'm good. Yeah, I don't need anymore. Please, thank you.
I love it.
Speaker 2: I love it. Yeah. So we want to look at
the root cause. And that's where I look. I say, Okay,
what is the root cause? Different parts of the body
are going to be different reasons that you have issues.
If you have a lot of liver problems, probably suppressing
a lot of anger, long issues, probably suppressing a lot
of grief, kidney issues, probably suppressing a lot of fear.
So every organ, every body part has a message that's
trying to send you. And like we talked about in
the movie, says, if you don't listen to the whispers,
you get the nudges. If you don't listen to the nudges,
you get the hammer. And the hammer is the cancers,
the Parkinson's, the degenerative stage four illnesses. Because maybe you
stub your toe, you didn't listen, then you broke your ankle,
you didn't listen. Then you tore your rotator cuff, still
didn't listen. You get the hammer. We've got to learn
to listen to our bodies.
Speaker 1: And so why is it that the medical establishment has
since its inception essentially really focused so much on the
treatments but not the root cause they don't understand, you know,
and I know this is definitely a wormhole, to say
the least. I have a lot of doctors in my family.
We have conversations about this all the time. I love
I forgot who said it in the movie, but they said, uh,
modern medicine is great for heroics. You need heart transplant,
someone shot you, you know, you got into a car accident,
don't rub an herb on me, don't get the leaves away,
get me into a hospital. They're really great at that,
but the long term understanding of human health, they're not
really great at that. So you know, I asked, I
asked the a relative right now who just became a doctor,
probably a couple of years ago, and is not very
happy about how the system is running. But that's another conversation.
She's like, why did I do this that I go
how much nutrition just nutritional study? Did you have in
all all the years in medicals. Well, they're like, we
took prebby like two classes on nutrition and I'm like,
it's it's literally the guy who the hypocritic oath that guy,
he said food is die medicine, right, and yet it's
not that. So why do you think the medical establishment
has been focused so much on the treatments but not
the root cause? Is it because there's not as much
money to be made on that. I mean, I have
to believe at a certain point. I mean doctors are rate. Yeah,
doctors are here to help us. I think most of
them are. You know, they're trying to assist us and
the best way they know how. But a lot of
them have been resistant to nutrition, to vitamin therapy, to the therapies.
We're talking about anything that's alternative, outside of the norm.
They don't even want to investigate it. This goes for
all establishments in general, from science to everything.
Speaker 2: So why do you think, Well, greed we talk about
this in the movie. Charles talks about it, Cynthia talks
about it. Greed is one. But like I talk to
people all the time, and we're the culmination of the
things that we listen to the bookshe we read, the
shows that we watch, the people we hang around with, Well,
it's not the doctor's fault that they weren't taught. This
is what they're taught. This is what they're taught. They're
supposed to do as doctors. They take the Hippocratic oath
and they to do no harm. But when they're in
their training, they're taught that, you know, ozepic is a
great drug. It's awesome, it's great for diabetes, and now
it's weight loss. And now I'm talking to college kids
and they're saying it's you're not cool if you're not
on ozopic.
Speaker 1: Well there's if you're a college you can unless you
have a real medical issue for it. Please don't take it.
Speaker 2: Right, right right. But they're taking it and then you
can't get off of it. So there's a lot of things,
but this is what they're taught. When I worked for
the doctor's office, and I was seventeen years old, and
I made a lot of observations. This doctor's office was
in Michigan and they prescribed diet pills to elderly women,
and my boyfriend's grandmother was one of their patients. And
I'm flipping through the charts, and I'm thinking she's getting
twenty pounds since she started these diet pills. And so
I talked to the doctor and he said, well, she said,
they make me feel so good and I can get
my house clean. It was speed, of course it was.
And I'm like, they put this a lady on speed.
Speaker 1: Het is partly to get the She's.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, right, I'm getting on clear right. So and
so I got fired from that job because I was
always questioning the doctors. But I'm watching the reps coming
in and they're maybe twenty years old. They had a
weekend course about this drug, and they're coming in and
telling the doctors this is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
You need to give it to everybody. And I'm watching
all three of them driving porsches and going out all
the time with these reps, and I'm making observations. And
so people were coming up to the window and asking
for things that they shouldn't beginning because you're supposed to
only get that every thirty days. And I got fired,
of course. So I think it's a lot of just
they're not educated on how the body works. They're educated
on how to prescribe something to heal a symptom, if
that makes sense, And so it's not their fault and
they don't have time to dig into it because the
insurance companies are saying, you got five minutes with this person.
In five minutes, you can't tell me that you understand
why this woman has a stomach ache. You put it
on an ulcer medicine. But if you don't know that
she's worried about her son because he's getting into some
trouble no matter what you do, and that's where the
worry is, the pancreas the stomach. So if they're not
asking her what emotions are going on and they're not
taught that, so it's not their fault. But we need
to change the system. The system's neither health nor care,
so we need to change that.
Speaker 1: You were talking a little bit about the chakra system
and things like that. How does the spiritual legacy, if
you will, spiritual ideas play into energy and sound and
light therapy. How is that all mixed in? Because you
were saying, like the red of the root chakra and
that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: Can you kind of dive into that a little bit
so spiritually, I'm not sure if I'll answer this correctly
or not. But I feel like the chakra system is
so ancient, and it's ancient in Eastern medicine, and then
we had Western medicine, and there's some theories about how
we separated that years ago with the Vatican and the
Pope trying to sell somebody's souls, and yeah, it just
separated everything. So I feel like there is definitely spiritual
forces in sound, and there's spiritual forces in light, and
so that's how I would relate that. That's how I
would answer that question, that sound is spiritual, light is spiritual.
And when we look at the way our body, in
our nervous system is set up, and we might be wrong.
Maybe red is not the root chakra, maybe purple is
not the crown chakra.
Speaker 1: But it's been red for four thousand.
Speaker 2: Right, right, right, But can it change? We don't know.
As the planet's changing. Look how much is changing right now.
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Speaker 2: So what if that all changes? But right now, red
is the root chakra, Purple is the crown chakra. And
we look at things from the spiritual forces of sound
and the spiritual forces of light. So when I create music,
because I do still produce music, I look at what
way form of instrument do I want to use. So,
say we want to work on detoxing heavy metals, It's
probably going to be some didgeridoo, some drumming to penetrate
the density of the organs that are here and to
release like heavy metals from being stuck in the bloodstream
and the organs. You got to have a little bit
of bass. We got to love that bass. And then
we'll put on different light colors. You can do this
at home. You can wear red, you can eat red foods.
And I'm starting to study right now, like what foods
are replenishing, what vitamins and minerals and is there a
relationship to what color they are?
Speaker 1: Well there is, yeah, I mean there is death size,
so to.
Speaker 2: Be vitamins and orange and red foods and orange light.
So looking at how to replenish that way. So I
think not sure if I answered the question, But spiritually
I think that there's spiritual forces to sound, in spiritual
forces to light.
Speaker 1: We've kind of dug into this sound therapy a whole lot. Now,
what about light therapy because you know. Sound I get,
I'm gonna get. I'm Devil's advocate here. Sound I understand
because you can literally feel it. But you walk into
a box and there's some red light on you, Like,
I've heard of red and this has now been proven.
But like red therapy or I think a red light
therapy where athletes are now recovering faster because of this
red light therapy, can you explain what that is? Because that,
to me sounds so much more woo than sound frequency.
Because sound frequency you literally can see it, you can
feel it. There is some studies behind it. But with light,
you're like, what am I doing? Like I've been in
a sawnos with a red light on. I'm like, does
all red lights work? Does this specific red light works?
What's happening there?
Speaker 2: So every light color has a different spectrum, So reds
and oranges are more stimulating, where greens are more neutral.
Blues are very calming, purple calming, relaxing, and so that's
kind of how I design my protocols. When you have
red light therapy, it can actually increase the circulation. So
that's why I think red light therapy is great for
athletes with injuries because it can increase the circulation, help
that injury to heal faster. But you don't want to
put a little kid on red light therapy. They're already
crazy enough, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have enough energy and oh god, their bodies. Yeah,
my kids come up to me like, oh my back orsm,
Like shut up, shut shut up, wrong with you? You're sore,
Like you're just sore. You did something in gym. Shut
until you wake up and everything starts popping. I don't
want to hear anything.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, right, I know, like I hear you,
because after I turn fifty, I'm like, what is this
little scene?
Speaker 1: I don't know if these to mark, I don't know
if it's like all of a sudden things just like
Papa puplic, What is happening to me?
Speaker 2: To change that mindset, I'm like, no, fifty, I'm going down. Yeah,
I'm going to go down in age now.
Speaker 1: Right, go ahead, let me know if that works all right?
Speaker 2: Right, So even on red light, we don't use it
for pets, you know, because they don't need the stimulation,
right right, yeah, can you imagine chihuahua? So every color
I think has a different, different spectrum. Look at McDonald's,
look at these restaurants. Think about it. There's a lot
of red in McDonald's burger Kings, RBI's KFC stimulating, stimulating
the appetite.
Speaker 1: But that's and none I'm going to cut you off here.
But color spectrum in the filmmaking world, that's extremely powerful
storytelling because if you put someone in a red jacket,
it's very different if you put them in a green jacket,
or a blue jacket or a black the standard black guy,
the back guy wears black, the good guy wears white,
old old school kind of stuff like that. So it's
a very powerful just that alone. We react to colors
in a different way, but I never thought of it
as a healing aspect or connection to it.
Speaker 2: You don't want to paint your kitchen yellow. It stimulates
the appetite. Look at the banks, A lot of banks
are blues and greens, calming, trustworthy, you know, hey, money here,
educated or wisdom, and there's no accident that. Look at
the trees, I mean, I love looking at trees. Every
different color of green. I can't even explain all the
colors of green and the grass. And it's a neutral color.
It's a healing color. And so when we look at color.
We have to look at what does it effect? How
does it affect a body? And not everybody's going to
respond the same to every color. Like I have one lady.
I put her on orange light one time and she's like,
hate orange light. Okay, let's dig into this. Why do
you hate orange light? At the root cause after about
an hour conversation, when she was born, it was a
traumatic berth And what she remembers is that the nurses
had orange smocks on.
Speaker 1: That's the association.
Speaker 2: And she was twenty five years old.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what she was she remembered that. Yeah. Interesting,
So each light does it matter the quality of light?
Could it be a cheap red light or does it
have to be a specific kind of light?
Speaker 2: Well, they say, and the ancients used to say, you
want to have silk, They woulde silks and that would
be the thing you would drape it over you to
have that color infused in your energy field. Yeah. So
for me, you know, I would love to use fiber optics.
Fiber optics, I think that the technology will change, but
right now I'm using like a non off gassing mercury
led light spectrum because I wanted to get the most
of the light spectrum. I can get almost the full
red to purple light spectrum with these lights.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're pretty powerful.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, So I'm sure an incandescent painted light bulb
will still be showing your eyes the color. So your
eyes are going to still see that color.
Speaker 1: So it's not okay. So yeah, because I was always
that was the thing that always I was trying to
really be confused because if you were in a let's say,
a cheap sauna, like a little cheapy sauna, and they
had this little red light there, I'm like, what is
this supposed to do? I was like, there has to
be like a special kind of bulb or a special
kind of light to give you the special thing. So
any red bulb, any yellow bulb, any green bulb, or
anything like that, it's.
Speaker 2: Just I believe so. And even if you're wearing red
and in your you know, you're absorbing that into your
body because the sunlight. You don't have to have your
eyes open to get the benefit from the sunlight. We
all lay out in the sun and we get the
healing energy of the sun when we got our eyes
closed and we're just there. Yeah, So I don't think.
Speaker 1: So so is that why when you walk them up?
There's many reasons why you walk amongst nature or you're
at the beach, the energy, the grounding, the ions from
coming in from the waters and things, but just the
color spectrums of those areas are so peaceful and relaxing
and calming. You go to Zion National Park, you know,
or Yosemite or you know, or Seqoia and you just
sit there and just like you know, but there's the
energy of course of the plants, of the nature of
all that stuff, but just on a color spectrum that
also has a relaxing, calming effect.
Speaker 2: On us, right, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 1: So, So that's how So that's the spectrum of color.
So we have sound, then we have light, and then
is there is energy healing, there's vibration, vibration, So how's
that different than than frequency?
Speaker 2: Okay, so let me see. There's a sonic massage that
you can get with listening to music. So you're not
going to get that if you're just listening to speakers
that don't have a base or they don't have a subwiffer.
But when you add the sub wilfer in and you
add the music, the intention of the music because there's
intention too, Like Jonathan Goldman says, frequency plus attention equals healing, right, Josh, yeah,
that's great, it's great. I haven't gotten his attention yet,
but someday, so when you get that all going. But
that's the sub warffer in the base. I mean, think
about how you feel at a concert when you're that
bass is hitting your chest. Oh my gosh, it's so amazing.
I mean it can be a little overwhelming because you
can also have too much of that. And I think
that's the vibration that helps people to heal. We have
those exercise plates now, the vibrational plates. It shakes the body. Yeah,
so that's vibration. There's different than frequencies, different than sound,
different than light. But when you combine it all together,
you have a lot of modalities in one.
Speaker 1: So you talked you mentioned Tesla before. How does the
sacred geometry of Tesla's math contribute to healing or energy healing?
Speaker 2: So everything in nature is sacred geometry. And I think
the pyramids are still standing today when the office building
down the road from ten years ago isn't standing, correct
because of sacred geam And I think nature respects sacred geometry.
You go outside. I think Tesla talks about three sixes
and nines, and I've observed nature quite a bit now
because of the Tesla mathematics.
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Speaker 2: And three leaf clovers to me are more natural than
a four leaf clover. So is a four leaf clover
like a mutation. Because you look at petals of flowers,
you'll see twelve, you'll see nine, you'll see six, you'll
see all divisible by three. And so I find it
fascinating to watch nature and how I see the three
sixes and nines all the time. And so I just
I love sacred geometry. I think sacred geometry has a
symbiotic relationship with nature. We've had my technology has a
lot of sacred geometry in it. We've had them in Maui.
They're still standing. The Marshall fires in Colorado. I'd like
the fires went around the centers Fort Myers, hurricanes, flooding,
so many different things in it. Never a tornado in
Texas and Garland just went around the center. Like how
is this? How do you explain that?
Speaker 1: Interesting? That's fascinating. Now you also mentioned intention what do
you can you talk a little bit about what intention
means to the energy behind intention, because intention just means like,
you know, I'm intending to hurt you, even though I'm
see up and see a killer and I have I'm
ted Bundy and ah, it's just to help me with
the couch in the back of my car kind of thing.
So my intentions are obviously dubious, but outside I'm fine.
So intention does That's what people pick up on because
you know, those kind of characters don't get all of
their victims because they can pick up on the intention.
Something is telling them that how does that intention work
in healing?
Speaker 2: So how we use the intention, which is so lovely,
is when two or more are gathered. So you've got
a practitioner, you've got a client, and they're saying, you
know what, I really want to attract a different job
or a different partner in my life. So we help
them set the intention and say, okay, feel what it
would feel like and all the selves of your being
to wake up in the morning without your alarm clock,
you can't wait to go to work. How is that
going to feel? And you start attracting what you intend.
We all know you know some people do this, Oh
my gosh, I know I'm gonna get in a car
accident that day, and they're like, you know what, I
got in a car accident. Or my mom has breast cancer,
so I know I'm going to get breast cancer. Guess
what they get breast cancer. And so that's an intention
that you don't want to set. You set an intention of.
And this is how I set my whole life. I
intend that everything's going to go well for me. Everything's
going to work out, everything's going to flow, and no
matter what happens, it's all for a reason. And that's
how my life works. I was actually in a little
car accident the other day. The guy was going down
I twenty five in Denver. It was dark out, and
he tagged me. But I just felt this little bump
and I was like, I think he just hit me.
And I heard screeching and squealing and he pulled over
on the shoulder and I pulled over behind him on
the shoulder and I thought, it's dark out. I'm by myself.
Is this guy did he tag me to, you know,
carjack me or something. I'm going to wait till he
gets out of the car. See what he looks like,
size him up, and then you know, I'll get out
of the car, right, feel that intention? What is his intention? Right?
So he gets out of the car. He looked so
scared and he said, oh my god, I'm so sorry.
I don't think I hit you. I said, no, you
tagged me and he said no, I don't think I did.
He goes, but I should have. He said, we're going
to the hockey game. I wasn't paying attention. I was
looking at my phone, I was speeding. I was talking
to my buddy and he was so sweet and how
he looked so scared. I gave him a hug. Yeah,
I'm like, I just hugged a guy for hitting me.
What is wrong with me? And he was like, you're
handling this so well, and you know, because it could
have gone very wrong for him. Yeah, very wrong. And
we looked at my bumper and had a little scuff on.
I said, go enjoy the game. He's like, are you sure,
and I said yeah, I'm sure, just go and he's like,
thank you. And I thought, that's why I created the movie,
and we'll come back to the movie. Because I wanted
people to do things with more kindness. There's no reason
to scream and yell. He was so sorry, he was
he felt horrible. What am I going to do scream
and yell at him, you know, attack him? And I
just want people to do things with more kindness, more love,
and have that intention when you go out, everything's going
to work out for you. Everything's going to flow.
Speaker 1: So people that use these therapies, what is the long
term effects? Meaning like how long do they stay healed?
How long do they feel better? Are you? Are you
stuck on it? Like I have to keep going back
a thousand times, you know, like a drug, Like like
I need to say this for the rest of my life.
I mean periodically. Of course you're going to have to.
You know, if you get a massage, it wears off. Yeah,
do a lot of these healings do that? Or can
you actually heal something if other things are in play
and not have to worry about that specific thing anymore.
Speaker 2: I think the body in the right environment can heal itself.
We know if a bone breaks, it's going to heal.
We know if we scratch ourselves it's going to scab
over in a heal. But I think people get caught
up with what the medical community says, well, you're going
to have this forever or it's a death sentence, and
I don't think it is. But I don't want people
to be dependent on energy healing. I want them to
heal their own bodies. But this is a support, you know,
these modalities, these healers are support for us to heal ourselves.
We need to heal our We shouldn't be going to
a doctor and saying, what do I take What's wrong
with me? We should be going, hey, this is what
I think's going on. Can you help me with this.
I've had clients that had a fire because I don't
want people depending on it. But there's a small part
of the population that is so identified with their disease
that it's exciting for them. And I had one lady.
I think she believed if she healed, her husband would
leave her. Oh, so that belief, that belief overcame everything.
She was never getting better, but she kept coming back,
and I said, I just can't help you anymore. You
have to help yourself. And I went to a networking
event one time and this guy was running around. He
had created a whole where you donate to a foundation.
Whole foundation around his wife's illness and he's like, no,
she's a larger to laundry soap. And he seemed excited
about it. And so then when he came up to
me and he said what do you do? I said,
I'm in transition. I wasn't going to waste my oxygen
in my breath to tell him what I did, because
he was I did to have his wife so sick.
Speaker 1: That's an interesting idea because I mean Muchjohnson syndrome is
a great idea, you know, moochjohon Sen syndrome, where the
parent will basically make the child sick. Oh yeah, so
they can get attention. Right, It's like this, like you know,
so they slowly you know, poison them. I mean literally literally,
there's a many famous cases about that. So Moochjohnson syndrome
is something like that, where the disease is just another
form for the ego to uh to get attention, or
a belief like if I all the love I get
is because of my disease, and if I heal myself,
I'll lose everybody around me. These kind of stories belief
systems are very very powerful in our world, isn't it?
Speaker 2: Absolutely yes, and I do have clients like that and
they almost their kid starts to walk and they push
them down. Oh no, you can't walk. You're sick, you're this, you're.
Speaker 1: That, because it's a box.
Speaker 2: So it's the same. I didn't hear of it as
disease kind of a thing what you just said, but yeah,
it's a thing.
Speaker 1: It's it's something that like it's a it's a story
where like I, it was kind of like when you're
in a bad relationship, you're like, well, I know this crazy,
this new unknown crazy that could possibly come is scary.
I know this one, and I'll you know better the
devil you know than the devil you don't. And that
kind of goes along with healing as well, especially with
people with chronic diseases or chronic ideas about what they had.
Like I had, I had issues with my I thought
I had issues with my ankles for years. I twisted
my ankles, broke them, tore them apart, ripped out ligaments
throughout my entire life. I had just ankle issues and
I just thought I had weak ankles. I went to
the doctor, I went to arthropedic surgeons. I go on
my ankle's just weak, and he would test me and
they were like, no, man, your ankles are fine. And
only within the last three or four years I found
out it was my hips. My hips were so out
of alignment that I would always fall when I was
in athletics since I was a child. So that I
did therapy in I was able to do a squat
and now I'm fine and I have no issues with
my ankles. But it was the story I told myself
because I was all proof I had. Who would have
known my hips, you know, with the problem. You know,
I had to get physical therapy to strengthen those areas
and stretch it all out. And then once that happened,
the body was in alignment.
Speaker 2: Din you ever sing that song the wrist bones connected
to the elbe, the ankle bones connected to the hip bone.
Speaker 1: But that's that's kind of a version of that. That
that was the story I was telling myself. So people do,
and I think people listening, you know, if there is
if they have some sort of chronic thing. I'm not
going to the extreme of cancer, but just anything chronic
headaches or this or that, analyze the story you're telling
yourself about those illnesses and see if there's anything behind
what we're saying here, because that could be one of
the things that has really stopped because you like, perfect example,
there was a I know these stories all the time
where a doctor doesn't tell or that the patient doesn't
know that they have cancer or that the cancer is
that serious, and they've been filled with positivity like you're
gonna break, you can and they all and they think
there's hope. The moment that they have hope, it pushes
them forward because that's the story they're telling them, and
the body reacts accordingly.
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Speaker 1: But the second a doctor's like, oh, you really only
have three months to live, the moment that happened, they
die three months later. It's it's all in here. It's
the placebo effect, right. Can you talk a little bit
about the placebo effect and and that idea of like
whatever we actually believe and we can't be delusional about
things like I don't have cancer. I don't have cancer.
H I mean, you don't want to go to that extreme,
but there is some validity to we're talking about.
Speaker 2: Correct, Oh, definitely. I I went my bed until I
was eight years old, and I'm sure there was some
kind of a stress around that, and I was so embarrassed. Right,
my mom took me to the doctor and the doctor said,
here's a little red pill once. If you take this,
you won't put your bed anymore. And guess what, I didn't.
I think it was just a little sugar yeah. Yeah, yeah,
But in my head I was like, oh, thank god,
because I'm so like, I don't know how those pills, right,
I need those red pills, right. So I think it's
the same thing. I mean, you nailed it when you
said if somebody says you're only going to live for
three more months, there most of them are dead within
the three months.
Speaker 1: If they believe it. Yeah, yeah, if they believe.
Speaker 2: Right, if they believe it, if they believe it. Because
our mind is so powerful, and that.
Speaker 1: Goes along with like your uh worthless. Uh you need
all these stories that we tell ourselves. And I'm bringing
these ideas in because the stories that we tell ourselves
are the things that control our lives in all aspects
of an healing being one of the major ones. If
your belief system is that, I mean, I would wonder
I would be curious to think if like, you know,
you know, I want to say with fast food is
fast food is the cure to all of my woes,
and they truly believed it. I'm curious that they ate
like nothing but fast food and they were fine, and
they were well, there are people who do that. By
the way, there's a guy who ate a big Mac
for forty years. He has the record. He's this thin,
he has no problems physically, like his heart's find the
diabet and it makes no sense why that works, Like
how did that happen? Where? If you I did, that
would be dead.
Speaker 2: If we thought so. Maybe not.
Speaker 1: I mean there's there's there was a documentary years ago
centurions who were just doing whatever they wanted to at
like a hundred, one hundred and tenth. There was this
guy in England. I never forgot this guy. He was
like one hundred and ten. He jogged every day, he
smoked like three packs a day, had been for like
seventy years, drank pints every day at the bar, you know,
at the pub. And he's like, don't live like me,
You'll die. And I was just like, this is the
best I know, you know, But he goes, but don't
do what I do. It works for me, but I
doubt that it'll work for you. Fascinating idea of what
the mentality behind it.
Speaker 2: Well, and he told himself a story that he can
do this and it won't affect him like we tell
it Like you said, we tell ourselves stories every day.
I was at the hair salon the other day and
they were talking about relationships and he says, well, how
many marriages do you have before you realize? You know,
you're not the Marian type? And I'm like two. And
he's like, what do you mean. I'm like, I've been
married twice, and you know, I said my second marriage.
I said. I flew to Peru. He had been there
for a week. I got there and he said, oh,
I fell in love with the assistant tour guide, so
I want a divorce when I got there, Yeah, he
was there for a week. And he's like, you're lying.
And the guy that here's on your line. I'm like, no,
it's a true story. I said. My life is stranger
than fiction. My stories are my stories, but they're not
who I am. If I define myself by that, right,
I would probably say I'm terrible. I know I suck
at relationships. I can say all these things to myself,
but if you believe them, then you do suck at
relationship station right right. And I don't believe that. I
believe that I was in a vibration where I was
attracting something because I didn't love myself. And now I'm
in this wonderful relationship where I've attracted this loving person
that takes such good care of me, and I'm in gratitude,
and I stay in that place of gratitude and I
keep attracting more good stuff.
Speaker 1: But also to a certain extent too, that those other relationships.
And I can speak for myself, not in your case,
but just as general, all those negative things that happened
to you were lessons I needed to learn at that
moment in my life for me to be where I
am today. I wouldn't be where I'm sitting here today
without all all of the pain, suffering and experiences that
I've gone through in my life. It hasn't all been
peaches and cream. So and only when you go through
those difficult times and challenging times is when you grow
the most because you're being tested on what you really want. Like, Okay,
let's see if this person learned the less and let's
send him another narcissist. Let's send her, Let's send him
another narcissist, or her another narcissist to see if he
he or she figured this out. Like, I don't want
this anymore, but we're gonna make her look exactly the
way they would want and don't walk in. It'll start good,
but then they'll start to do what happens when you
date a narcissist. Let's see or are they going to
go down this road again? Because this guy's gonna be
worse than the last three. We're gonna make this one
that this is the hammer. This is so let's see
if this person avoids the hammer, if they've learned the lesson.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you agree one hundred percent, because I wouldn't be
the person I am today. And that's why people say,
do you have any regrets? I said no, because I
would not be the person I am today if my
dad wasn't an alcoholic and I wasn't molested by the
priests of the parish when I was fourteen and my
two divorces, and I'm like, I wouldn't be who I
am and I couldn't teach what I teach. I couldn't
tell people, well, you were, what twenty seven when you
almost went through the bankruptcy?
Speaker 1: Oh, when I was twenty seven. Yeah, when I did
the movie for the Mob, and yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was twenty seven, and and I went through
it because I was so stubborn. I said, nope, I'm
going to do this corporate job. I'm going to work
in corporate And every door kept getting slammed and slammed
until I lost my identity. I felt like I was
stripped naked, and here I am. I have no idea identity.
I'm this bang loser now, and you know, and the
only thing that was available to me was to do
the wellness center. And so yes, I believe that. When
I was with my sole family in another universe, I
took my last sip of tea and I said, well,
going to Earth, guys, I'll see in one hundred years
or so.
Speaker 1: And so I learn what lesson should we learn this time? Oh,
let's all sit down and look, okay, well you need
it done this one. Oh, this one's going to be
a doozy.
Speaker 2: Yeah great, and we're all excited, and oh.
Speaker 1: This one's gonna be super painful. Oh you're gonna love
this one. It's hard for us down here as the
characters being played out and this this insane play, simulation
play that we're in. But on the other side, it's
kind of like looking at a movie or a TV
show when you see characters go through pain. The only
way you attach yourselves more to a character is when
you throw obstacles in front of them, when you challenge them.
Because if their just life is going, it's boring and
they're not learning and they're not growing. So with that say,
you don't have to have all that all the time.
But if you are learning these lessons, and that's why
we're all here is to learn these lessons, and the
healing journey is that as well, you know, trying to
if you're being if you have something inside of you
that's off balance, it is your responsibility if you want
to to educate yourself learn about this stuff. You know.
I have relatives who were chro had chronic issues, and
they went to multiple doctors and couldn't figure out what
he were just like I don't know, And they started
doing their own research, reading their own books to start
to heal themselves by trigger pointing, which is so powerful
or some other things like that that you know is like,
oh my god, this is like what's wrong here? Oh,
hold on a second, and you hit the trigger you
go oh yeah, and you're better now. And it's all science.
It's not even woo stuff. It's amazing. Now.
Speaker 2: I had a guy with drop foot and he was
it's where you drag your foot and you just can't
pick it up. And you know, he thought, well, it's
an achilles tendon. It's this, it's that, it's the ankle,
it's a weak ankle, it's something something. Everything's connected. It
was the right foot, head, drop foot. His CE one
was off. As soon as the chiropractor adjusted C one,
he started.
Speaker 1: Walking because the connection with the nerve.
Speaker 2: Came down and connected right there.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: I mean, all the information's out there for us to
heal ourselves. We have to go look for right, we
have to study, we have to research. But who knows
your body better than you?
Speaker 1: And I think that the big problem I think we
have and I think it wasn't as much. I think
our generation was one of the first to kind of
break three free from this, and definitely the generation that's
coming after us the but like our parents generation and
great grand and grandparents generation. The white coat was all powerful,
just like the priest was all powerful, just like the
politician was all powerful, like the banker was all powerful
like that. Whatever they you know, if you had some
sort of professional there you know what, I don't know
anything you must you know. So if the white coat
said it, the white coat, that's what it was. Where
now it's kind of be like at least a lot
of the more holistic mds are starting to like, no,
you need to do this, you need to do that.
They're they're throwing responsibility on some on their patients a
bit more because they can't do it all and they
are aware of it. At least the good ones are unaware.
They're aware of that. They can not heal you if
you don't work with them, if you don't heal yourself,
like don't smokes six packs a day, don't drink you know,
don't stop watching that documentary that kid, that guy's not
that's not you. But you have to be able to
do it yourself. And I think the biggest problem we
have in at least Western society is giving our power away.
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Speaker 1: Just the medical field, but to all aspects of our lives.
What it's financial, whether it's political, where it's health, where
it's you know, our entertainment. You're giving away your power.
And I think what's happening. I think in the world
the shift is happening is we're starting to empower ourselves,
We're starting to educate ourselves. And it all started with
the Internet. The connection of information, the direct connection to
information worldwide has allowed us to kind of find out
things that would have taken us forever to research and
to really find good information about would you agree.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent? My parents were both medical aerodests and
in their seventies because they gave their power away. Yeah,
my dad worked on an asbestos plant for thirty years.
Well there's that, and they said you have COPD because
the wouldn't test him for me's aal the lioma. And
so then he was on nine different drugs, antidepressants, painkillers,
inhaler after inhaler for mis ata lioma because they were
treating him for COPD, and he suffered a horrible end
of his life for the last four years, you know,
and my mom just a similar situation. But they gave
away their power and we need to take our power back.
And that's the thing people are complaining in grocery store
prices are so high, blah blah blah. Then grow your
own food, right, I think that we should be. I
was going to write to the one of the local
newspeople and saying, what you should do is suggest that
we get we give free seeds away to people. Once
we start growing our own they're not going to be
able to charge those high grocery store prices because we're
not going to buy them. We're gonna grow our own food.
Speaker 1: And it's just getting your power back, Yeah, in all
aspects of our lives, you know, And hopefully these kind
of conversations empower people to start, at least, you know,
even investigate what we're talking about. Please, don't take anything
that we say at face value. You should do your
own research, You should do your own testing. See it
for yourself. I'm a very grounded I know, I know
it's weird, but I'm a very grounded guy. You know.
I try to look at things very even keel and yeah,
I do understand the things of the spiritual nature and stuff,
but even the stuff I talk about in the spiritual nature,
there's so much proof, so much knowledge, or so much
history behind certain things like the chakra system. People are like, oh,
you're talking about chaka. It's been around for seven thousand
plus years in the in the Indian, in the Indian,
in the East Ideas and versions of it throughout multiple cultures.
You can't tell me that there's nothing nothing valid there,
or Chinese medicine or Aravertica medicine. You can't dismiss thousands
of years. That's something that worked. Now. Is it as
cool as like heart transplant? No, But again, what we
have today is very wonderful for heroics. But a long
term yeah, you know, let's look at the old things
see what was working well.
Speaker 2: And people don't understand that everything is connected when we
keep talking about that. But even the teeth are connected
to the meridian lines from Chinese medicine, so people would
have root canoe on their One of my clients had
a root canal on her stomach in ovarian meridian lines,
and within a few weeks she had stomach and ovarian cancer.
This is when she came to me and she said, Gail,
you have to educate people and tell them that this
is its connecting. It's a connection, and I was like, what,
like just crazy stuff. And so it's all out there.
There's there's teeth, meridian charts. You can look up if
you have a sore tooth or you know, you can
look at what vertebrae are connected to that too, what organs,
what systems in the body. It's all there.
Speaker 1: We actually have a documentary on Next Levels ol TV
talking specifically about Root. It's called Root cause it's a
whole documentary about that thing. How they've now it's just
now they're studying it. They're like, no, things that have
to do with root, canals and things like that are
being studied now. They're like, wait a minute, is there
a connection here? And again, investigate it yourself. You know,
there's a lot of literature and research out there about it.
Speaker 2: But without the Internet, like you said, without the Internet,
we would have taken a lot longer to find these solutions.
But now there's really no excuse to not research what's
going on and what messages your body sending you. I mean,
it's brilliant.
Speaker 1: Now tell me about It's Time. I love the name
of it. By the way, the movie It's Time what
caused you to kind of because that's the whole thing
putting together a movie. You know, it wasn't cheap to
put something like this together, So what caused you to
put this out there? And you're really just kind of
you know you it's on our platform, but you know
you it's not something that you're trying to make a
billion dollars with or anything like that. What was the
cause of it?
Speaker 2: Well, I just started to see people were really angry
and people were not treating each other very well. And
I you know, I know a lot of people are
on antidepressants, and I know it blocks the functioning and
the nervous system. It numbs people down, and so I'm
seeing a lot of that, and I thought, I'm just
going to put out a movie. I'm going to talk
about sound and light therapy. I'm going to talk about
listening to your body, but I'm also going to talk
about being more kind. And I knew that this our
USA election was coming up, and so I said, I
need this out before the election, So I need to
put out a documentary. And I decided to start it
like January, and so they gave me like nine months.
It's kind of quick to do.
Speaker 1: It's quick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I put everything else on hold. I said,
I'm going to do this, and I knew that I
didn't want some of the you know people that you've interviewed.
I didn't want the Greg Braden's and the Joone dispenses
because you know they've said what they have to say.
Let me get some you know, no name people that
I respect, that I've been studying and you know they've
been my mentors. Let me bring them on to tell
their story. And so we open it up with judgment
is the only thing that separates us, and then we
close the movie talking about doing something else of some
Muhammad Ali quote. If ten percent of the people would
do more with love and kindness, we could change the world.
So I wanted to create that space for people to
see that we're all connected, that we're all one, and
that we should treat each other better. And none of
us is getting out alive. I don't care how much
money you have, nobody's getting out alive right Everyone.
Speaker 1: Wants to go to heaven, just not right now. Yeah.
So it's such a beautiful film, and we also have
an extended interviews series as well of all of all
your amazing speakers on there. Now, I want to also
talk about your harmonic egg weird as well. Let's just
throw it out there at the beginning. I mean, it
sounds weird, and you want me to walk into an egg?
What is happening here? Talk to me a little bit
about what this thing you developed is.
Speaker 2: It was a channeled download, however you want to call it.
I was working with the light box, but I was
finding that the clients were saying, well, the music sounds
distorted coming up through a pham pad, and the light
bulbs a little cheesy. It's just painted right. And I thought, well,
life comes from an egg. Let's just build a large
wooden egg. Okay. So I called some manufacturers and the
one manufacturer said it's impossible. And I'm a scorpio. I'm
a stallion. I'm a scorpio. So I'm pretty stubborn. And
if you tell me no, or you tell me I
can't do something, then just get out of my way,
because I got to go do it now. And I said, well,
Walt Disney said, if you could dream it, you could
do it. And he said, well you're not Walt Disney. Wow,
So well get out of my way. And yeah, I
didn't want We talked about crystals in the beginning a
little bit. You know, crystals are great, but I hold
information and energy. Wood does not. And so I created
it made out of wood and I use it's walnut
on in the inside right now, and it's the spiritual
properties and the way walnuts harvested and the grain. How
it's so tight. It doesn't you know, it won't hold
any kind of fungus or you know, viruses or anything.
Speaker 1: And on a side note, by the way, the walnut itself,
if you crack it open, it is a complete representation
of the brain. Yes, yes, and it actually if you
eat it, it's actually good for.
Speaker 2: You your brain. I know, crazy, right, isn't nature awesome?
Because that's what I find in nature. I just I
love those kind of stories, yeah, you know. And just
I cut open what was it? It was one of
my red peppers from my garden and it was just
so beautiful and it just had three and like I
said about the threes, and it had three little veins,
and I'm like, this is just so beautiful. And then
the lady that talked about her dogs balls being beautiful
right on that show, and you're like, I don't think
anybody has talked about their dogs balls on the show,
but it is like a beautiful.
Speaker 1: Recent, beautiful dog.
Speaker 2: It was. It was, yeah, yeah, your show is great.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: And so what we were we talking about Harmonica John
made out of wood? Yeah, right, So I thought if
people could go in and I did. I used Edgar
Casey's consciousness, Royal Rife's consciousness with frequencies, the Oregon Box
with Wilhelm Reichs. You know that consciousness Tesla, and I said,
you know, let's let's use frequency vibrations, sound waves and
light waves, and let's put it in one modality and
let's put people in there by themselves. Claustrophobias, no problem,
there's a doorbell in there. They can push the door open.
But get them in there to heal themselves. And I'm
finding that it is. It's really saved my life. It's
been such a beautiful thing.
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Speaker 2: It's not from me, it's it came through me. And
so it's just a beautiful galactic technology that people can
heal individually, and they're raising their vibration to connect to
their higher self and them seeing them take their power back.
I'm seeing more kindness, I'm seeing more love. And the
business model that I created, the brand attributes are love, integrity, reliability,
and community. And that's how I expect all the Ank
Guardians to conduct their business with their clients. It's not
a franchise. It's very franchises are very patriarchal. It's a
business model of the matriarchal, divine, feminine and the cooperation
not competition. And I think that's how we can change
the world.
Speaker 1: So, yes, your business model is not this normal what
kind of franchise thing. It's like kind of like, you know,
everyone should benefit from this, right as opposed to you know,
having to pay a franchise fee.
Speaker 2: And all right, right, the pyramid with the rich person
at the top just doesn't work. And your shows have
been talking about the flattening and a lot of your
channelers are saying things are flattening, the systems are crashing,
things are changing. So I hope this business model catches
on where people can share and create abundance for more
than just themselves. And so that's what I want, you know,
I want this show to come out. I want all
this on our owners to be packed out, and you
know it's creating abundance for them too.
Speaker 1: And then how many centers do you have our own
the country?
Speaker 2: Over one hundred and fifty and twelve countries.
Speaker 1: Twelve countries really, yeah, And.
Speaker 2: I didn't really market this.
Speaker 1: I've never I mean, yeah, it's not a mass marketed thing.
Speaker 2: No. No, the egg finds you, and that's what I had.
Speaker 1: Stop, don't don't use that as a marketing tool. It's
not going to work. You're not going to get the
construction worker to come out to the The egg will
find you. It's just very marking media.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, marketing. And everybody teases me about that because
I'm near Boulder, right, and they're like, is this like
Mork from Orc's Egg? And I'm like sure, yeah, yeah, exactly,
So the egg will find you.
Speaker 1: But it's it's it's it's it's a non evasive thing.
It's something that anyone could try. And the proof is
in the pudding, right, The proof is in the putting on.
Anything that you study and anything you look into and
any of these kind of modalities. You know, some people
work with iravetics, some people work with you know, Chinese
herbs and other people work with you know, sound healing
or sound baths or you know, a different There's so many,
so many ways to heal yourself, not only emotionally, not
only physically, but emotionally, mentally, even spiritually. How to heal traumas,
how to heal things within yourself. But I hope that
anyone listening could understand that the power is truly within you.
It's just your choice whether or not you want to
take the steps, the appropriate steps to learn enough to
try or attempt to learn about how to heal yourself
in all modalities in your life, all these different things.
Speaker 2: Because not everybody's gonna want this. There's there's red light therapy,
there's NovaThor beds, there's juve, there's a new immortal chamber.
I mean, all the stuff is coming out now.
Speaker 1: Therapy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I think it's so beautiful because we're
not all the same galactic beings, all different, We're not
gonna all heal with the same frequencies or modality. So
I just tell people to be discerning, tune into your intuition,
if yours, if your stomach gets really sick when you
see something that's probably not for you.
Speaker 1: There was one thing that I forgot where I heard
it must one is my one of my guests. I
might be an episode that hasn't aired yet, but oh,
actually no, it was in our in our wisdom from
beyond summit that we had with all of our channelers. Uh.
There was a question asked about healing, and the the
speaker said, allow synchronicities to happen. Don't judge what is
in front of you, feel it, have intuition about it,
think about it. Put intention out into the world. So
from what I've learned on this show is that when
you ask for help out loud, it does come, maybe
not at your timeline and especially not the way you
think it's gonna come. But if you come truly open
yourself up to these ideas and open up yourself to
whatever comes into your life, understand that it is for
your better and might not look like it at that
narcissist coming in is at the end of the day,
for your better if you deal with it in their
appropriate way to learn those lessons, but in the sense
of healing, open yourself up to the intention, ask for help,
and the egg will find you. Now I'm joking. But
whatever thing that will help you heal, open yourself up
to finding it. And it might just be a podcast episode,
it might just be watching something on a platform. It
might just be a book that you find at a
library or at a bookstore, if they're still leaving around
these kind of things, because you have to open yourself
up to it. I mean, and I've said this a
thousand times on the show, this makes no sense to me. Yeah,
that I'm here doing this in this world talking to
you about this kind of stuff. If I would have
been told this five years ago, I said, this is insane.
But I've opened myself up to the synchronicities of the
universe kind of guiding me through my life. And when
I let go of those rains a bit, still have
responsibility for yourself. When I let go of those rains,
life just seemed to flow a lot better. So I
think would you agree with in regards to the intention
of trying to heal yourself? Put it out. So I'm
in pain. I need help. Get me the right book,
get me the right show, get me the right information,
connect me to the right person who will teach me
or help me get healed. Does that make sense.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. I mean, you just got to let
things flow. I had a mentor of mine. I was
real antsy at a seminar one time, and I was like,
I don't want to listen to another speaker, and I
get real, you know my start, you know, just jutery,
and I'm like, I gotta get up, I gotta move.
And he noticed this, so he passes me a piece
of paper. I open it up and it says, l
I f E. Let it flow effortlessly. And I had
a bracelet made that stamped let it flow effortlessly. And
that's what you just open yourself up. You ask and
it might be not in your timing, but it never is.
But that's why you were not in charge of when
the people say, we're not in charge of the howeah
yeah okay, and so we just ask and then we
let it unfold. I used to have one of those
successories things on my desk because I manage like one
hundred and twenty people in project management. Some people watch
things happen, some people make things happen. Some people wonder
what happened. And I threw that thing away because I
made my first marriage happen. I made my second marriage happen.
And now I should have said, well, I wonder what happened, right,
because it should have never been if I was letting
things flow and I was paying attention to all the
roadblocks and how how much struggle I was having to
get into these relationships and I just let it flow.
But that was my lesson.
Speaker 1: But that was and now you can talk about it
because you went through it. We can't talk about it
until you go through it. Really, yeah, yeah really? Uh Now, Gail,
I'm gonna ask a few questions. Ask, well, my guests,
what is your definition of living a fulfilled life?
Speaker 2: Living a fulfilled life is not having a schedule, not
having to worry about anything, and just letting things flow.
Speaker 1: Beautiful question, let it letting, letting you flow. If you
had a chance to go back in time and talk
to little Gil, what advice would you give her?
Speaker 2: Be brave, be strong, listen to your intuition and say
yes to life.
Speaker 1: How do you define God or source?
Speaker 2: And I knew You're gonna ask me these questions now
I'm like, oh my god, yeah, I'm on the spot.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I think you know I am God, You our God.
Everything is God. So I'm going to answer it that way.
Speaker 1: What is love?
Speaker 2: Love is the highest vibration. And I believe, like we
talked about earlier, disease doesn't live in love. Love is
just the highest vibration.
Speaker 1: Is that why chicken soup works so well? Because of
the love and intention of the grandmother or mother making it.
Speaker 2: It could be did you ever eat something and you
felt angry after you ate it?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? Most fast food because the people prepare me.
Speaker 2: Right, angry right, and so I feel that that. You know,
my boyfriend makes me five days a week and then
he makes me leftovers. But there's so much love. He's
like a little Mexican grandmother. He's hilarious and there's so
much love in that. It's just nourishing. It just feeds
my soul.
Speaker 1: There's a there's a restaurant here in Austin. Oh God,
I forgot the name of it, but it's it's kind
of like this. It's not communal, but it's basically you
have one. They just whatever they have for lunch is
what you're eating. Whatever you have for dinner is what
you're eating. And that's it. And it's all organic and
clean and organize. And you walk into this area sho
is a shahnous I think it might be shed news.
And you walk into this area and you feel the
energy of the space already, and there's like, you know,
the metaphysical store there, and there's like a juice bar there,
and it's like this whole like little community. But in
the back it's this restaurant and the food. You could
just feel the energy of the food. You can taste it.
It's like, you know, and when you go to a
let's say a fine dining restaurant, the effort, the energy,
the attention and the intention of the food. The chef
focused so much on making sure that that was there.
People feel that taste it. It's so powerful.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 1: And what is the ultimate purpose of.
Speaker 2: I guess the ultimate purpose on life for me is
to experience everything. When I played softball for thirty years
and so I feel like the end of my life,
I'm sliding into home base. I am safe. I've done
everything I could possibly do in this lifetime. And like
I said, you know, when I told my friends up
there in the galactic take another you know, drink a
coffee and we'll see you in one hundred years. I'm
going to Earth when I'm done. That's you know. I
want to experience everything, all the emotions, everything, and then
just slide into home base safe you're done.
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Speaker 1: Now, where can people find out more about you and
your centers and everything you're doing?
Speaker 2: Harmonicag dot com and that's where everything is, all the locations.
Just search for a location and you'll find it, hopefully
one near you, and then it's time. Dot Love is
the film, and that's why what I would like to get.
My goal is to get a million people to watch it.
I'm not charging anything. You know, it'll be on your platform,
It'll be everywhere, YouTube, Rumble Time, do Love. I just
would like to see a million people watch it and
do one more thing with love and kindness.
Speaker 1: Well, they'll definitely be able to watch it on next
levels so old TV, and I hope that this episode
helps drive some more people to watch it wherever they
decide to watch it, because it's a message that need
to get out there. So and do you have any
party messages for the audience.
Speaker 2: I would say, because we talked about story, I'm going
to say, don't be your story. Change, rise above your story,
know that you're not your story, You're a wonderful, awesome being,
and learn to love yourself beautifully.
Speaker 1: Said gil Gail. It's been such a pleasure meeting you
and having this conversation. And thank you for putting everything
out in the world that you're doing, especially this movie
and the work that you do. So I appreciate you
helping awaken this planet.
Speaker 2: Thank you, you two.
Speaker 1: Thank you for spending this sacred time with us today.
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