Speaker 1: Hey, everyone looks like I got a guest with me today.
What's up? Thomas?
Speaker 2: Hey, how are you man?
Speaker 1: Doing good? Doing good? Just log down and waiting for
everybody to uh catch up here? How's your how's your
Sunday gone?
Speaker 2: It's going fine?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: I realize that kind of a bought on Sunday. I
kind of go into repose, you know, So don't take
a person.
Speaker 1: That's fine, no problem. Are we watching a movie tonight?
Speaker 2: I'll see what feel depending on how long this goes.
How does that? I don't mean to be flaky, but.
Speaker 1: I'm okay, yeah, no problem.
Speaker 2: Level's gonna dirty, but we'll go as long as you
watch on the stream.
Speaker 1: Sure, okay, cool. So I wanted to have you on
today to this whole occupation regime that we've been that
we've been suffering. There's a lot of people who, once
they discover, you know, things like the JQ and things
like that, they they believe that everyone that the world
is basically fallen to it and that it controls everyone,
and to the point where they don't think that an
independent like country, a country could actually have a Jewish
population and organized Jewish population and not be controlled by them.
So I guess you know, first, this came up, this
just a whole Russia thing yesterday because apparently Putin is
Putin has been called habadnik how without even addressing the.
Speaker 3: Russian thing, because I think it's stupid the idea that
a country cannot have an organized Jewish population and still
be a country that isn't run by them.
Speaker 1: How does that in your head? How does that work? Well?
Speaker 2: The problem is that lay people. I don't like that terminology,
but I can't think of a better way to characterize it.
They don't understand politics, and they don't understand historical processes,
and they don't understand the anthropological aspects of these things.
It's like these guys who you know what. I don't
know to be too hard on Alex Jones, because I
think in some ways he does good things. And I'd
rather I've got to wonder to convincing normies of anything.
But I'd way rather people can consume that kind of
stuff than say, like Fox News. But even like a
bunch of Alex Jones fanboys, they'll claim stuff like the
Cold War or with some sort of allegerate main. I mean,
that's just not how a human society at scale worse,
and that's not how humans interface with technology. You know,
you don't you know, you know, you don't kill off
one hundreds of thousands of people, like pretending to wage
proxy wars against the Soviet Union, and you don't. You
don't devise weapons platforms that cost billions and billions of
dollars at the end of the day, that deploy to
orbital space and can wipe out entire cities so that
you can pretend that you're fighting some sort of ideological
conflict to fool people. I mean, if you think that,
you're a complete idiot. But I mean more people think
that way than you might suspect, because the variables are
too complex, or they're too nuanced, or there's an intuition
required to kind of perceive these things that's just beyond them.
So their view is that the world's organized like their
workplace or something, where intercende rivalries don't compromise the core
mission of the firm or something, and ordinary people just
subject to these designs of more powerful people. It's like
a symbolance character the way things really are. And I
think when people think about desionism, their idea such that
they can perceive it at all, is that Jews are
bad guys or they're like rich guys who are some
sort of machiavellian global elite who just control everything like
some sort of like some sort of majority shareholder population
and a big company, you know. And like I said,
it's it's a case of people not understanding of human
population is interact and how conceptual horizons of respective populations collide,
and how even people who don't necessarily have personal enmity
towards one another or some sort of horrible cultural clash,
and how they live among each other. Sometimes the existence
of one has a deleterious effect on the way of life,
but that they're tofore dominant culture and that leads to violence.
I mean, honestly, there's that aspect in post Soviet Russia
between Slavs and Jews. I don't think those Slavs hate
Jews or vice versa. I think they look down on
each other, okay, but they don't look at each other
the way, you know, like white folks and blacks did
during like the worst days that like the sixties and
early nineties, And they don't look at each other the
way like Palestinians and Israeli's new You know, people who
think that like politics has to do with like people
you personally don't like, Like that has nothing to do
with it either, you know. But there's the same people
too think that, like the grand question is, like there's
too many Mexicans and I don't want to live by
black people, like neither one of which is a political problem.
There's political of the cases of both of those things,
but those are social problems.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: This is exactly why you're an idiot if you pretend that,
like people voting somehow dictates the course of actual event
to the disposition of elites, Like even if there was
some ethical characteristic to mass enfranchisement, which there isn't, right,
even if there was, these people can't understand the subject matter,
So what it would be like it'd be like consulting
people who can't do math on how to like design
and build a bridge that will be able to bear
a load or something.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's that kind of stuff. And people, particularly people born
after the Cold War. I'm not transfing young people at all.
I don't do that, and I think young people with
scale actually have a lot of insights older people don't.
But I think people unless they unless they have been
like insinuating to the culture, or they're kind of part
of the minority. It's a growing minority, but it's still
the minority of people who like travel a lot and
like spend time in the oldest block. They don't understand
the Russians, Like they just don't. They think like Russia
is like the EU, but they're just kind of different.
Or they got this idea that Russians are these kinds
of malicious, bad guys, but they don't understand that there's
a really tragic and really dysfunctional relationship between the Jews
and the majority there. You know, like sold the needs
and wrote an entire book on that. This characterized the
Soviet Union for seven years. They literally went to war
with Israel, you know, the a catalyzing moment. One of
the major plane hijackings, one of the few were successful.
Direct action team was able to liberate the aircraft without
killing all the hostages. It was an early success at
GSG nine. They were like the Bundesferer like counter terrorism unit.
It was not surprising that the crowds did this well. Okay,
but flight Leuftan's a flight one eighty one. It was
hijacked by the Popular Front Floration of Palestine in general command.
They're the same guy as he blew up the discotheque
in West Berlin. But interestingly, and people would know this,
it was like three men and a woman who were
the hijacked team. And that was the first time anybody
ever wore like a shade rivera visage on their shirt,
like the PFLP did that because they were saying that, like,
you know, Palestine's the front line of the struggle against
you know, capitalism, you know, and like the Jews of
these are oppress or standard bearers of of you know, America,
you know. And uh, incidentally, that's why guys like Horst
Mahler and other like national Socialist partisans, you know, we're
involved with like the Royth Army for action and things.
But it was understood during the Cold War, like the
mortal enemies of Israel are the East Block. Okay, I
mean this one without saying everybody understood that there, you know, basically,
like the main enemy of Jewry and political terms is Russia. Okay,
it was without saying, you know, and that that didn't
go away after the Cold War and the Ukraine War.
I the enemies of the Russian Federation, which show me
the bit to do that. Anyway, Like NATO was looking
for another make Ork deployment, but it was mainly returned
the serve because the Russian Federation deployed to Syria and
and routed the Israelis. You know, Russia's allied with his Blah.
They were allied with a sad they sold out a
sod that the Russians do. But I don't really I
don't really understand how unless you're a complete idiot, like
you couldn't notice that, you know, and so to you
like Putin was just kidding when the parts of the
Russian Federation deployed, you know, basically to provide combined arms
or Hesblah and the Syrian Arab army against the IDEF
and their allies. And then this guy who's like randomly
this Jewish design is somehow gets installed in Ukraine and
then suddenly there's like this massive escalation. That's just a coincidence.
But like Putin actually loves Israel and their friends. I mean,
I that's so stupid. I'm not gonna entertain it, Okay,
I mean it's I don't argue with people like that.
The semons. Don't argue with people who tell me that
like the when landing was fake or that like nine
to elevee was fake. I mean, you're you're I mean
you're you're you're you're mentally retarded if you think that way.
But yeah, nad, I mean that's why. But the same
reason people, I mean, I don't really try my aps
say because like generally I don't respect them, Like the
only ops I respected in my life, like we're all
dead by now, like the ones that it's just now,
like just don't cut it. But like these internet I get,
I get like hate ship all the time and like
generally don't read it, but occasionally they do and like, uh,
I think I don't know exactly what they were talking about.
And I'm not trying to personalize this, but like it's
it's illustrated. Like uh, it's like Artie Chick. I don't
want to Hyde Park. She's like the Jewish broad. I mean,
she she's cool. She's a friend of mine, you know,
like sometimes we go off for drinks or something, and
I'm you know, uh, she knows some of the same
people that do we reachate Chicago, but you know, she
like pulled up some selfies with me, which is fine.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I like it when girls want to take photos of
me and people are like, you're a phony because you
like don't hate Jews. I'm like, well, why would I
hate Jews? They around like hating people, Like what what
does that even mean?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: Like I I walk around, I'm like, it's hack mode,
and I'm like, this person's my enemy, and political terms,
I'm gonna go either house or like murder them, Like, I.
Speaker 1: Mean what, well, it also it's you becoming them. I mean,
they have a genuine hatred of people who they consider
to be their enemies.
Speaker 2: And it's also insane. I mean, for the record, this
chicks like anti Zionist. That's only way in common, you know,
but like it's I mean, obviously okay, otherwise why would
she associate with me? But but the point is, like,
you know, it's that you feel like a rational person.
I mean, sitting around hating people's unmanly anyway, It's not
that's not what a rational men do. It's unerryan, it's unchristian.
But it's also now politics are about, you know, I mean,
God forbid, uh, God forbid if some sort of early
nineties or like nineteen sixty eight situation jumped off here
and like black folks were gutting for me for the
color of my skin. I would not hesitate to like
walk and low and throw shots they have them to
defend myself. That doesn't mean like I hate the black guys.
I know, like again, like why why wasn't one thing
going to do with the other? You know, does that
mean that your country goes to war, You're only gonna
answer the call if like you personally hate the people
down range of your field of fire. That's only like
little girls think about stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. It also takes away from the historic
respect of one's enemy.
Speaker 2: That too, Yeah yeah, well yeah, it's not personal. I mean,
I get h I mean, it's for better or worse.
The natural state of the of this world is conflict.
Conflicts endemic. I mean, like I'm like saying, I mean,
general warfare at scale is rare, but conflict is endemic.
And I mean that's it's literally authored into every aspect
of sociological existence. And it wouldn't make any sense to
be upset about that. I mean, the kinds of people
who can't accept reality are these kinds of ridiculous. You know, uh,
progressive types you thankfully are mostly gonna die off with
the elder generation. But they're the only people who think
it's incorrect that the world is this way, and we've
got social engineer that away. You know, you're you're claim
to be right winging, but your whobole kink is like
I hate X, Y, and Z people and that's what
informs my politics, is like I just hate people like this,
you know, like I said, that's not the way, that's
not the way. That's unmanly and aside from the fact
it's got nothing to do with existential realities.
Speaker 1: Well, here's a question, and I'll as somebody who maybe
may be Catholic but also has a pretty good education
in Calvinist theology. So hate is always irrational. God made
a mistake by providing that particular emotion. God provided everything,
and some things are a sin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's like saying that, like God approves of
rape because like men rape women at war. You know,
like that's not you know what I'm saying Christianity. If
that's the way you think about it. Yeah, if there
was no sin, there'd be like no point to human
what if and there, there'll also be no piety and
there'd be no cele asian.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So one of the things I wanted to say
about Russia was I have a friend he's been on
the show a couple of times, Ferris Modad. He's he's
from Lebanon originally, he lives in Britain, in England now.
And something he said about Putin was Putin can accept
the fact that there are people in his country that
are talking about communism. People can accept the Putin can
accept the fact that there are people in his country
even talking about fascism, but Putin cannot accept that there
is anyone promoting liberalism in his country. He goes when Putin,
when people start to promote liberalism, which is probably the
most derascinating and chaos inducing system, he has to put
that person down.
Speaker 2: He has to be yeah, what's also people don't understand,
like the Russians are anti high Nazi, so they must
like Zionism or like liberals. It's like, do you realize
these people lost one in six of their population in
four years, so twenty five million of them went down
fighting the German Reich, and they supposed to be like, yeah,
we we love Nazism. It's like you fucking retarded. I
mean like what, like how else? Why?
Speaker 3: Why? Why?
Speaker 1: Why?
Speaker 2: Why the actual fuck would the Russians like national socialism
or think they're like that's cool, like that's there. It
makes perfect sense the Ivans to hold out the German
Reich as they're like ultimate like tolluric evil. That makes
perfect sense, Like what else would they how else do
they conceptualize it? You know, but it's it's not it's
not that. It's not there Russians who built Holocaust music.
You knows, it's not that Russians do. When the Russians
conquered the the Eastern occupation zone, they encouraged the natural
Volkes Army to preserve the traditions of the Wehrmacht. They said,
we're not We're not. We're not gonna build them a
more old jewelry. We we lost twenty million people fighting
the fascists. We're the victims of fascism. You know, they
went to war with Israel. You know, you can't pull
that card that, you know, stupid on purpose card that
because the Russians don't they don't like the German Reich
and they don't appreciate it when he's like confused white
in words in Ukraine like pretend that they're Nazis by
like fighting for greater Judea. You know, the fact that
the Russians don't appreciate that doesn't like make them a
bunch of like anti fascist liberals. But again, I mean,
some people are too stupid to be alive, and the
people propose those things constitute that class.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think people see that Putin would go
out of his way to protect the Jewish population in
his country, which is also something that Asad did, which
is also which is also something that Iran does right now.
So I guess if you do that to some people,
that means that you have to you're bowing down to
them they somehow control you. It just doesn't make it
doesn't make any sense. It only makes sense if you've
bought into these people can control or in control of everything.
Speaker 2: Well, it's like I said, that's why, that's why most
most Normanies like shouldn't try and understand these things, because
apparently they're not capable. I also think that most people, like,
for better or worse, I kind of a weird upbring
because again, you know, like my mom was a rich
kid from La. My dad was like this third port
Oki who wounded up becoming very successful. But I'm kind
of like as a red Niggish person who grew up
in Chicago, and specifically I grew up in like a
very Jewish hood. Okay, I was like around these people
my whole life. I'm like still around them. Like that
doesn't mean I have like any grand insight. But when
there's guys from like the middle of nowhere or from
like mall of America geography and nowhere places, they developed
this kind of like weird idea of like Jews that's
like no basis in reality.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: This goes for like the megatures retards who think Jews
are like these like Viking super rians who like love
democracy or whatever. And it goes to these guys who
think that they're like these like super being bad guys
control everything, like they don't understand them as a people.
I think that I do. I think frankly, that's part
of it, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I was talking to doctor Johnson the other day,
Matthew R. F Al Johnson and him just like I
mean that part of Jersey he grew up in was
Jewish and Italian same Viole. Yeah, yeah, and he and
he says, he says this, He goes, when I'm talking
about jewelry, I'm not talking about my dentist. I'm not
talking about I'm talking about an organize. I'm talking about
an organization, A an inclination. A. Yeah, he goes something
that something that can't just be laid off on one person.
It's something you know, and you know we're covering. You know,
so wrote wrote the book on this and gave us
a whole history of one country and how they dealt
with it, and we're covering this. And even even Solian
shows that early in the book, in the Scheeddel system,
that it was five percent of the population of that
system that had any power, any wealth, anything, and they
were just as apt to destroy or oppress their own
people as they were anyone else.
Speaker 2: People also don't understand that. I mean they don't understand.
I mean, they don't understand the political I mean, you're
talking about impersonal forces of a historical nature at literally
global scale. You know, It's just it's just it'd be
like it'd be like saying it'd be like it'd be
like judging a variable in economics or like uh or
like a scale economic actor by how this guy you
know spends his money and invests like it's not that's
not what we're talking about, you know, And it's maybe
it's also the reason why it fails in these like
American Renaissance types act like Asians or some super race.
They don't commit crimes. It's like, you know, your enemy
in political terms is your enemy because him asserting his
own politics constituents or repudiation of your way of life.
Like maybe this population are a bunch of great guys
and they're saintly or maybe they're like reprobate savages and criminals.
It doesn't matter because that's not how we judge politics.
I don't want to be ruled by the Chinese because
they don't go out and steal cars.
Speaker 4: You know that.
Speaker 2: And if you think about it that way again, you're
you're you're a bourgeois simpleton, you know. Well, I mean
it's guys or maybe maybe or maybe they're terrible people. Generally,
it doesn't matter because Jewish politics consumes are repudiation of
my way of life, whether the kind of guys I
don't want to have over for cocktails or to talk
about women in the NFL or whether they're like guys
who are like scumbags, and I can't stand the sight
of that's totally irrelevant.
Speaker 1: The so you can look at things like this. I
love reading the Jerusalem Post because they basically will tell you.
It's almost like it's like, is that old joke about
you see a headline or you read something in a
Jewish periodical. It's like, okay, is this the Daily Forward
or the Daily Stormer? I can't tell, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So they had this article and shout out to the
guys on the Third Rail podcast for pointing this out.
It's from two weeks ago. It says, if New York
falls to country follows, is the future of American Jewry
at risk. And they're talking to this rabbi, doctor Hank Scheimkoff,
and this is what he says. Okay, he says, this
is the way they describe him. Shimkoff has worked on
over seven hundred political campaigns in fourteen countries, in four continents,
and in forty four US states. Some names among his
previous clientele Bill Clinton, Michael Bloomberg, Mexican President Leonel Fernandez.
People read that and it's obvious that there is organized jewelry.
If this guy is on four continents promoting elections, he's
I guarantee you he's not promoting elections that are not
in his best interest or or whoever.
Speaker 2: He'sn't a piece that says this guy they're talking about
he's running from here in New York. You sound like
pussy liberal. Uh. You know, if you find this guy scary,
you're either a demented old woman or you're some crazy
Zionist who like when the wind blows you claim you're
about to be pogrammed. So I mean, like, the fact
is these people are slipping because they hold up to
remember when they didn't talk that way. There's actually like
something slick about their propaganda. You know, like in nineteen
eighty five, if you'd read the j Post, it'd be like,
you know, for example, he'd be saying like, you know,
the Soviet Union brutalizes, you know, a nonconforming except where
they go look at what they're doing in Afghanistan. You know,
Soviet jewelry loves freedom and wants wants to live like Americans,
and the Stalinist depressors are are abusing them. Now, I
mean Obviously a narrative like that is laden with propaganda too,
but it's like actually credible in a certain way, like
uh claiming some like claiming some cornball like Berkeley type
guy who claims to be Maslam but like goes to
like his gay friend's weddings and shit, he's like he's
gonna po gram us. It's like he look like a
fucking idiot, you know. I mean it's like and then yeah,
like and then it'll be like this guy like ry
By like Shicky like fuck bock. It's like he owns
you know, like a uh he owns like a gay
pornography label, and like he's involved in human trafficking and
you know he's on the staff of like freedom loving
blad musawood Ski and like this Italian mafia boss and
like he was a friend of Jeffrey Epstein. And then
like when people like on the internet like start dropping
con it's like, you know, this guy sounds like a
super villain or something. You know, they like banish all
comments and stuff. It's like, man, look are you guys?
You guys are like something out of Austin Powers or something. Man,
It's like what happened to you? Did y'all like bottomize
yourselves or something like. I mean, that's kind of stilly rants.
Speaker 1: And you can tell and you can tell how bad
off they have it where they still have to go
to the Russia evil well, and then they go then
they go to like Iran and Syria and Asad Syria
in places like that, which anyone who like can do
a search on Google can find out that there are
huge Jewish communities there have been for thousands, you know,
for a thousand years, and they're protected by the government.
And here's another here's another thing. If you if you
say that there are people you know who like just
found out about the JQ a month ago, who will
be like, well, why are they protecting Jews? Would why
would Vladimir Putin care about Russian Jews being in danger anywhere?
He should want to kill them? All right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's like this like Retardo politics. It's like
Retardo nonpolitics. What's also too, I mean, the problem is
Zion is I mean, and I'm not gonna sit here.
I mean, obviously I don't think Israel was ever like
anything but a totally dysfunctional political system, but it did
actually used to be a multi party system before Rabine
was assassinated, and uh, you know, they the policy in
terms of direct administration of conquered territories, and obviously the
founding action of Israel was a mass ethnic cleansing operation.
And you can't like erase that. But moving forward, you
can't have a leeku in one party state that's like
this openly racial state that uh regularly assaults in to
this kind of mass concentration camp that is Gaza, to
quite literally thin the ranks that people've identified to the
racial enemies. You can't do that then turn around and
talk about how like, well, we're an especially victimized population
because racists don't like us. Like that just doesn't work,
you know, even a simpleton. And that's one of the
reasons why, like, world opinion is totally shifted. I mean,
part of it's the Cold War ending and the wh
paradigm ending. But world opinion doesn't matter. Whether that's right
or not, it isn't important. You know, you can't you
can't make yourself a pariah and then appeal to like
Neuremberg morality to say no, I'm not a pariah, I'm
a victim. That doesn't work. That's what I'm always saying,
it's like late Soviet and nature, you know, both to
propaganda from the Partment of State as well as out
of the Tel Aviv. It's like, these people don't understand.
There's got to be context, you know, otherwise it doesn't
serve a purpose. Otherwise it's your it's self defeating. It's
worse than neutral, it's self defeating.
Speaker 1: Yes's it really is with how people can access so
much information and then they can talk in public now
through social media and different platforms. I can start a
podcast and everything. It really just goes to show you
how people don't understand politics. Like if you were to say,
if you were to tell people, ask people the question, okay,
so basically the Vietnam War was a proxy war with
World Communism and the United States, and okay, okay, so
well why was the United States? You know, why was
your grain trade between the United States and the Soviet
Union during the Cold War. They can't they can't wrap
their head around that. You can't wrap your head around
how you can have your you can try with like
your biggest enemy on the planet and.
Speaker 2: That, well, they don't understand, they don't understand globalism. But
I realized that too, even people who otherwise I think
I started really realizing this, you know, and like I
rejoined the world and stuff, and you know, October twenty
twenty before that, you know, it has been a few
years or any since I got my life together and stuff.
But like when I was on probation and stuff, I
was still writing. But I was basically just say, going
to Washington Library and Unston Library and like writing stuff
and going on on research. And there was like two
or three guys who I'd run into, like around the city,
who I'd talked to about these things. But I didn't
really realize the depth of people's ignorance. So I remember,
I write, when I got online again, I I was
trying to explain to this guy kind of my interpretation
and the Great Depression, and I realized he was talking
about national states, which is something you probably picked him
in college. He's like talking about the world like it
was the year nineteen thirty and like that there are
no more states, you know, there's there's something nominally called
the United States of America, where like power is concentrated
periodically has cracked downs on like the free flow of
persons and commerce across the borders what you're seeing now.
But this idea that there's like these discrete, self contained
loci of power that are essentially insular from one another,
it's like that that honestly hasn't existed since nineteen eighteen.
This is a fiction, you know, it's a fiction, and
it's I'm not even saying it's like ledgered nain By Hoorrible.
People like people invoke these concepts more or less to
kind of conceptualize the world, because otherwise we're talking in
abstraction and there's not like a common conceptual vocabulary. I mean, like, yeah,
there's a place called France, there's a place called England,
there's a place called Japan. But those places have been
called that for thousands of years. You know, this idea
of like Westphalian style states that's not some permanent thing.
And essentially the three hundred years subsequent were like moves
towards you know, a limited modality of globalism, which is
the superpower era, which is why World War two happened.
The Cold War was the grand struggle between two globalisms.
Now there is one globalism, Like where are these other
forms of government? Don't say like North Korea with just
some weird garrison state because unfortunately for them, they border
Russia and China. And I'm talking about some like random
kingdom of like one hundred and fifty thousand people. I'm
talking about like real, at scale political organization. There's only
one form of government. They's under the Department of States. Illiterate,
there's not democracy and not democracy. What's the not democracy?
Is there is? There is there an Eastern block? I
thought it went away. I seem to remember watching the
Berlin wallfall when I was a kid. What's the not democracy?
But I mean this cuts to the whole the literacy.
I mean, I mean Israel is a particularly extreme case
because they're very immus. There's this weird outlier like in
terms of their political values and their security situation within
the rationality of those values. But there's not there's not
like dozens of forms of governments. You know, there's only one.
It doesn't make sense to talk otherwise. But the State
Department Israel, this entire constellation of the dominant globalist fiction
they speak because if it's nineteen eighty because they're illiterate
and they they don't know how to characterize the world anymore.
I mean, part of that is problematic because of post
holes in their narrated But even aside from that, there's
like a monumental of literacy and conceptual terms there.
Speaker 1: So doctor Johnson and I are reading two hundred years together.
We're sixty one episodes.
Speaker 3: In on that.
Speaker 2: Oh well that's a lot.
Speaker 1: We're not We're not even halfway done. We're just getting
the halfway on the book.
Speaker 2: I've forgotten that.
Speaker 1: Yeah's you know, no problem. And you know, like Carl
Doll and I just did an episode on uh yeah,
my front. Yeah, he's a good guy. And we just
did an episode on Kadriannu and the Iron Guard, and
you know how Accusa was such a inspiration on them
because of his talk of how jewelry was taking over Romania.
What is the benefit, like, what do you see as
the benefit of talking about that now, talking about jewry historically?
How zog Now, what's the benefit of doing I mean,
and I mean I could take arrows on this one
from you if you want to play is there what
is the benefit of me doing all of this and
talking about.
Speaker 2: All of this because you're not gonna be able to
nobody's gonna make it able to make sense of the
current political and sociological paradigm. Lets they understand these things.
And and let's you understand the Second World War and
that the variables that led to it. You're not gonna
understand the twentieth century. If you understand the twentieth century,
you don't understand today. And everything that happens today is
derivative at precedent, and particularly the these actors in the
Islamic world, the Russian Federation, Israel, you know, uh, the
Jews as a people, like globally, the globally asked for
the disposition of America, which is not like the legacy
government of George Washington or something. It's the legacy government
of the New Deal regime. That's the only conceptualize these things.
And plus two, like you know, you know Schumpeter and
when you I mean Schumpeter was actually like a pure
political economists in a lot of ways, anything we can
talk about like a pure economics and the way we
can talk about like neoliberal economics, we're talking about Shumpter.
But uh, you know how we talk about condetry of
waves like in economics. Okay, maybe if I'm portunying that pronunciation,
but basically, in his book Business cycles like Cavials is
also on the democracy is kind of his most accessible book,
and that was his book that sold the best. It's
the most important. What was business cycles, which one of
other things is like a huge repudiation to teens. But
it's very very damn it's two volumes. It's very difficult,
but it's in my opinion, it's a seminal statement on
Pluto economy like the last like five years. Probably okay,
But his whole point was, look, you can't everybody else
it's thrown with keeams that entire paradigm. You can't look
at like a thirty year increment of macroeconomic activity and
scaled actors they're in. You've got to look at this
over at minimum, probably two hundred and fifty years, honestly,
probably more like three hundred years. If you want to
get a conceptual picture of economic development at scale and
what business cycles truly represent, you've got to get politics
the same way. If I take like the last thirty years,
for example, I say I'm gonna study from nineteen ninety
five to you know, August tenth, twenty twenty five, that
doesn't tell me anything, you know, I mean, so okay,
I can break down. I can break down like riders
of battle and casualties and geostrategic nuances of like the
Gulf War, you know, and then person who's like beIN
Lott and then how they were able to corral you know,
guys would combat experience as like you know, direct action
elements and terrorist activity, and then can talk about like
the response to nine to eleven, but in of itself
that's meaningless, Like that's like, uh, it'd be like it'd
be like if accident investigators like these days, I know this.
I'm on foot a lot. I'm on footer on CTA
and like forgive this to the scene was like an
old person tangent, but I'm walking. The other day when
I did, I took the bus back from the city
and I disembarked like two miles from my house and
there was like this big accident at this intersection by
ninety four and there's a this lady police and she
was like doing something with her phone with this weird
app and I'm like, uh, I like excuse me, man,
like what are you doing, you know? And she's like, oh, well,
you know this is like what we use to like
try and you know, basically you know, try and like
restructure like accidents and things. And I'm sure this is
just like a simple app to help with the report.
And I'm like, okay, thanks, that's interesting. So when I
got home, like I started researching like how they like
how this guy evidences admitted in court and stuff, and
the guys who actually do like the insurance adjusted types.
They use some greid to that app. But they do
all this like modeling, okay, to try and see if,
like the physics of what they think happened like could
have happened. Okay, all right, trying to just take like
a twenty or thirty year increment of history. They'd be
like if these accident guys came on an accident and said, no, no, no,
we're not gonna model anything that happened before. I only
care about what happened at the moment of impact. That's
how we're gonna solve sad accidents that wouldn't tell you anything.
They like tell you how the body is ragged old.
They tell you about how like a tesla when it
collides with like a geep Cherokee. They tell you like
how the conventions come apart, or like how the airbag deploys.
It would tell you nothing about the causal variables at
an accident. Do you see what I mean? That jumped
out of me because of the the kind of research
that I do. I guess that was like the connection
I made when this lady told me that, and when
I got home and started like google fooling the ship.
But that's why you got to look at it. So
that's why it's important. Let's do. The Iron Guard specifically
is a weird not weird in negative terms, it's it's
it's unusual, it's unusual phenomenon. That's why so much has
written about it when Romania, you know, think of Romania
as this country that has this monumental impact on European
culture generally because it it's it's it's a other than
all stirring in the troubles. It's really the only and
I realized that this the sectarian the sympathies were very
different in each case, but it's really the only case
of like late modern Christian populations developing like a holy
warrior element. Okay, and uh, that's highly significant. And there's
a parallel there between net and the Islamic Awakening, and
that makes it relevant to today in a way that
not in ethical terms, but in formal and structural terms.
You know, things like things like these most fascist parties
and like the national socialist movement, aren't you know, there's
like a national it's it's relevant to study the German Reich.
But you know, again like that dialectically it was so
bound up with like the labor movement and direct antithetical
resistance and communism and stuff. You know, again the ethical
foundation of his perennial, but the structure of it is
kind of historically contingent. The Iron Guard is an outlawer
and it I mean all all all political modes of
warfare and mobilization they're in or are historically contingent. But
that has a more u that that has a more
timeless significance, you know, even though that's tim poorly model
everything else too. That's why we'll think the significant.
Speaker 1: I think one of the interesting things that that Carl Dahl,
that Carl said about the Iron Guard was that they
were they were early they're doing what they were doing
what we're doing now. They were going around the country
building social capital with people. They were going around the
country building parallel institutions. Yeah, they were, they were doing
things that we should be doing now, which a lot
of the same people who you know, can't get their
head out of their ass, you know who who should
you know, who should be sympathetic to the things that
we talk about, But they can't get their head out
of their ass because they think that this is all
going to be solved on the national level.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because they don't get it, because they're still
thinking in terms of this this they're imprisoned by twentieth
century thinking, you know. Yeah, that's why that was the
whole point of I mean, that's another thing is that, uh,
these Romanian guys they were they weren't they weren't reactionaries,
you know, but they also weren't these like secular like
art futures, you know, they.
Speaker 1: And that.
Speaker 2: But that's why that's why I met Mercia Eliotti, who
really was kind of their like a lot of uh,
a lot of adveragem types who kind of wanted them
murk him exaggerated is uh his and direct the action
type of stuff in the Iron Guard. But marceli Audi
he really was, you know, like a philosopher of the
Romanian dissident, right, And that's why he was an important theologian,
and that's also why he had that's why he was
conceptually sophisticated on anthropology and theology and stuff like that,
you know, any because he had a he had a
very progressive view of politics and direct action. They're not
not progressive in values terms, I mean progressive in uh
like formal terms, and you know that's remarkable, but a
lot of I mean, Romania is a great country and
a great people. I'm not saying bad things about them,
but Romania traditionally is you know, someone underdeveloped, you know,
and there's there's structural difficulties there, but that's those that
kinds of situations were off and you get very sophisticated
revolutionaries emergent from you know, proudly because those people have
a difficult life and you know, the the kind of
intelligency among them. You know, they spend a lot of
time thinking about things, especially in comparative terms, you know,
because they because the stuff dregglying takes your life, you know,
if you're if you're a comparatively comfortable guy, you know,
in the United States or even even to this day,
like in a place like a lot of the UK's
in my stuff, but like in a London or something
like generally you're not really thinking about nor do you
care about, you know, what what life is like for
people where you know, things like the things like you know,
religiosity is as like a day to day significance and
kind of immediate conceptual terms, you know. I mean I
think about that stuff, but I I mean not that
sound likes smarter than anybody, but I I have like
kind of a weird life. And there been times where,
in part like due to my own doing, I was
like really poor or like I I was saying difficulties
surviving and stuff, and like you you know, generally like, uh,
that's not like an entirely bad experience. Like I made
that point before. I mean I don't at my age now,
I prefer not to go through that again. But uh,
you know, you get it promotes like, you know, meaningful
reflection on stuff, you know, and uh, you compare like
different modes of life, you know, and so I think
that's part of it. But also Eliadi Uh, Romania is
an interesting I mean Romania is a they're they're literally
like a Latin culture. I mean it was like a
Roman lost battalion who basically uh bred with you know
Docians and stuff you have like Romanians and like they
the language they speak is closest to the Latin of
living languages. But they're like a big but they're like
they belong to Byzantium. You know, they're like very orthodox,
So they straddle this like weird kind of civilization diad
and Uh, I think that's part of it. You know,
that tends to prompt uh reflections and things of you know,
like an ontological nature. But I don't know, but they
but there's a there's a tenor of mysticism in Remedian
religiosity too that was able to remain alive even as uh,
the ontological shock of modernity kind of stripped that kind
of thing away. That's also why, I mean, that's why
I've been a lot and gravitated to Afghanistan. Like people
make jokes, people make it jokes and stuff. I mean
some of I mean, it's fine. I'm not saying people
shouldn't joke about ethnic stuff. But you know, bin Laden
his first destination was Sudan. You know, he funded a
bunch of infrastructural products projects there because he thought that
he was looking at a place like a pure Islam
could thrive and people superficially the way they come out
that the way they come at that as Oh, well,
he's talking about primitive conditions or you know places where
you know, like a local emop so there's a lot
of cloud. No, No, that's not what he was talking about.
You're talking about like an intuitive way of life where
this kind of awareness of pre rational things was like
a part of the living faith. And he had the
inclusion that Sudan was not that place. You know, people
have Sudanese or a bunch of like bombs right around
in Toyota's with like clash and acrosts, and there's something,
there's something. But in Afghanistan, I mean, Afghanistan is probably
more primitive than Sudan. But he's like among these past dunes,
you know, there's like a like true Islam can thrive
if they're like receptive to it, and you know they
it's you know, and I them being like a warrior race,
I'm sure has something to do with it. But you know,
I'm not sure just sing something like Romanians or like,
you know, their conditions are is are as primitive is
that of passions, But I'm just saying a complimentary thing
of both populations, you know, So that's something they consider,
you know, but there's one of the reasons why, like
religiosity and the practice of it is mysterious, you know.
Speaker 1: So there are a lot of people who have this, uh,
this romantic if you want to call it romantic notion
of that. The way that you know, the the United
States is going to be d zoged or you know,
the globalism will be kicked from it is the country
is going to become one ten. It's going to be Oh,
they've been kicked out of one hundred and nine countries
and the United States is going to be the one
hundred and tenth country that get kicked out of I
have a tendency to believe that that's not going to happen.
So I guess the question the question is is how
is zog How is this occupation defeated?
Speaker 2: Ultimately because uh, his historical processes, they're taking it down,
and you know, the it the only strength of it
is the strength of it is the ability to manipulate
sociological factors and doing forced social engineering. Well, that apparatusis
is going away, you know, and ironically as true globalism
sets in economically, I mean, the multilateral system is dead.
But that's that's a different thing. Like what matters, I mean,
don't get me wrong. Like that's that's the one thing
I like that the administration is doing. Is there, you know,
they they've realized a workable return to bilateral trade arrangement
to the essential because we're running massive, running massive deficits.
That that that's catastrophic. Okay. But the issue. The issue
isn't imports and exports as regards to globalism. It's uh,
it's the velocity and mobility of money. And that's not
going away. That's here to stay. It's it's becoming more integrated. Okay.
So anywhere on this planet, I can do business and
access money, and so can any other man Okay, unless
he's like in a kind ofitentiary or something, obviously. But
concomonant with that, political globalism is becoming decentralized because there's
no other choice. So free association is returning by necessity,
but also because it's not the political will to try
and break it up, you know. And uh, as there's
a the court of global opinion truly becomes this positive.
People won't tolerate these imperatives anymore. It's already happening. The
entire world despises Israel. You know this idea that uh
you know, like I've said before too, like you know,
even even policing twenty centers, policing is coming to an end.
So it's like, okay, like moving forward over the next
two to three centuries. I mean, it's already happening in earnest,
but I'm saying, like, yeah, this gets more fully realized
to go. Here's a community that's like a ninety percent
white is like a community like Harvey. It's like it's
like nine nine percent like black folks. You know. Here's
like a community, you know, like like Pilson is now
where it's basically like Spanish. Ohkait, what what's gonna happen?
Is like the National guardin was Salt and say we
demand you stop living this way or what you're you're
gonna shoot us all? Try it? How's that going to
work for you? How's it gonna work on? Like you're
live streaming guys like opening up on like regular guys
and their wives and kids for like not having enough
of black people live there or in the gast of
black folks like not being integrated enough. That's done, That's unthinkable.
Speaker 1: That's how.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 1: What a lot of I think, what a lot of
people will argue is is that whether you take the
Kevin McDonald route about evolution you know how how Jews
have evolved through revolutionary processes to be so insular, or
you take the Michael Jones where you know they denied
logos and at the cross you know they've been since then.
I have a tendency to take a mixture of both.
I believe both have both have validity to it that
as long as they're there there, as long as they're
amongst you, they are going to be seeking to subvert.
So how can you live with them?
Speaker 2: Because that's not because people don't understand the reason why
is reach such such intent. Hana or Runt, who Wasger's accolyte,
you know she her book, The Origin of Totalitarianism, is
a really good book. You know, the title is a
little weird. She basically breaks down exactly like what Jewish
power is. And you know, before before the end of
the nineteenth century, Jews had no political power, economic power.
That's not like a small thing, but they had no
they had no political clout that was laughable. Suddenly in
the twentieth century they did, and gee, look what happened.
Isn't that interesting? You know? It's also too like, I'm
not saying that the people in the Pale Settlement are that,
you know, the Jewish minority in England in you know,
twelve to eighty, like was doing good things in the
country or was benign. But the reason why people like
Edward kicked them out was because he didn't want to
pay him back. It's not because he's like, I'm a
white man and to help with these Jews who aren't
white and they're comedies. It was okay, you guys like
funding my war against the French, but you know, I
don't like the fact that you're shylocking me on these
on interest and I can't pay right now anyway, I'm
the king. What are you gonna do? Oh you don't
like it? Get out those few rights you had, they're gone.
That's what it was. It wasn't like he was based
and Cromwell was like a liberal who like Jews like that.
You can't like extrapolate current conditions back then, you know,
and uh where the rubber met the road, Yeah, you
had especially like I mean Poland Ukraine, which were like
the same territory for a long time that was basically
like a goy of slave plantation. You know, the most
the you know, the most enslaved populations were like North Africans,
Arabs and Slavs, you know. And so yeah, I mean
I'm not saying that's like a minor thing, but people
this idea that like the political paradigms of like the
nineteen thirties existed in like the eleven thirties, and like
that's why you Jews were disliked like that, that makes
no sense, you know, And like I said, okay, move
forward like two hundred years, where there's like not really
a United States of America. Then kind of like in
name only, law enforcement and military power is like almost
exclusively private, you know, if you or it's like self
help oriented.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: There's no more public school, there's a the bully pulpit
of media as exists in the twentieth century is gone forever.
There's no possibility of something like a Cold War happening
again because true globalism is now centuries old. Like what
what is the federal government gonna do with people? Like
I said, they're gonna they're gonna get a bunch of pinkertons.
So like, shoot, everybody who's not diverse in the community
live in that's laughable, you know, like it's this is
coming to an end, and people don't understand that, and
I try and tell them again and again and they
don't listen to me. Old people do know some things.
When I was like a teenager, like half of the
places I going out regularly, like nighttime or daytime, if
I went there, I might have gotten fucking killed. Like
black people would literally like kill me. Now that's unthinkable.
Thirty years ago, Bill Clinton, he'd say to the DNC, like,
you know, they're like fifty years what would be one race?
People like whoo, yeah, it's type racism. Like if a
president can't say that now people want to fucking lynch him.
You'll be like outraged. I mean, can you imagine that?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: Now people act like you're rather corny and they roll
their eyes at you or they tell you're like a
total piece of shit. If you're like stumped for Israel,
unless you're in like some like dumb hick town, or
unless you're like in Skokie, Illinois, were like ninety people
are Jewish or something. You live on a different planet
than thirty years ago in this regard, like it's it's
like a different country, you know, and people act like
this shit like somehow like a staying power. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: People also think that the that this was forced upon us,
And yeah, in a way, you do have a social
engineering regime, but you also have to have people who
are willing to go along with it and also willing
people who are willing to collude. Yeah. I tell people
this all the time. I'm like, if you're if you
if you want to complain about this, jew did this
and in history and it led to this, and it
led to this and everything. They didn't do it alone.
Speaker 2: What's the heck? That's all point of parables about people
like Nero and Julian the Apostate. You know these guys,
these guys were Roman patricians, you know, they they thought
that they were gods. Basically you know the fact that uh,
I mean even like even like Donald Trump's like that,
you know, like I call him like Trump episode he
is a piece of shit. But Trump Trump doesn't care
about Jews. Trump heres about Donald Trump. Like if every
you think of Israel see to exist tomorrow. Trump would care,
You wouldn't care. You'd be like, these guys can no
longer pay me, you know, when you find somebody else
to pay him, and somebody else would you know, I mean,
in some way you think that's worse than like being
a part of the inferialing people, even in a warped
way that's like against the God like Zions are. But
that's a whole point, you know. And it's like also,
I mean, like I said, if you don't part of
the the reason why I'm writing this manuscript, I mean,
it's for a lot of reasons because you know, like
I mentioned you the other day, because I don't have children,
which I'm totally fine with, and I can't sing and dance,
you know, I kind of like to leave something behind
my own a small way. So that's like this book
I'm writing, and I'm trying to explain the twentieth century
in one value that's like not too cumbersome, it is
actually something readable. You've got to look at the Jewish
diaspora like as a people, like as a as a
true nation in the asphere. You got to look at
them as like a combat actor in World War Two,
as everybody get in the era, frankly, and America and
the Soviet Union allied with that actor country Europe and
the Empire Japan. Okay, then as glo as this divided
globalism set in the Soviet Union turned on America and
this nation in diaspora, which now had representation at international law,
like in the state of Israel. So you're talking about
like the winning coalition of the victorious element in the
twentieth century. Like that's why, okay, And that's something I
try and explicate. I'm drawing things for the SEGA conceptual intelligibility.
I'm kind of drawing this in broad strokes, but that's
the short answer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that we I think everything. So we
live in a world and I think I heard you
say this recently. It's like people want to be like, oh,
I didn't know this, and I can't I can't be
educated in this, even though like literally there every book
in the world is in the palm of their hand
with the phone and they can find out anything they want.
And yeah, I think that the you're people are not
going to understand exactly what's happened until you start blaming
you don't just blame one group you blame you blame
everyone who was in on this.
Speaker 2: Well, they just understand historical processes. Like I said, I
one thing I do think of on Mesians are on too.
I don't accept their whole. Uh, I don't accept their practice,
you know, or anything. But something I write about is
you do need some kind of intuition to interpret business cycles.
I mean, Stumping made that point too. That's not it's
not that's not any mystical. It doesn't. I'm not any
reference or drawing around like all read or something. But
you either have that you don't. The whole is greater
than the sum of its part. Sometimes the water like
reading the discrete codable variables. It's the same thing with
politics and historical phenomenon or cultural things. I mean Eliot
pointing into you either it's like, oh, you know he
was talking about shamanism and the prime symbols between very
urus cultures. What commonalities are He's like, yeah, I can
list variables that I can identify synonymous according to some
some arbitrary criteria, you know, ideas of edification and suffering
and things that are and feelings that are universal the
human condition. But they don't like tell us anything like
like a sacred experience and things that are symbolic of it.
In psychological terms, you know them when you see them,
or you don't foresee these things, Okay, And I suppose
that's what a talent is for religion. A miss culttures
ones that have stronger and more vogative symbols of this
nature or a stronger in that regard. Ones that don't
are weaker. Okay, but that's part of it. Like even
people are intelligent, and I'm not like a super smart person.
I don't think I'm stupid, but I'm the last persons
gonna pretend like I'm some kind of like genius or
like I'm so much smarter than the norm. Because I'm not.
I can perceive things in my field of concentration that
other people can't.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: There's guys who trade stocks, and there's guys who trade
for its. They can do that with financial quantities and
things like that and financial instruments. I can't do that
with that kind of stuff. I can with macroeconomics and politics.
And if you can't, you're tripping over your dick because
you're just looking at variables and treating it like some
sort of formal equation or something, you know, and if
that was the case, you guys like Metternich or Henry
Kissinger or James Baker wouldn't exist. If you were a
king or like a president or like a warlord, you
just like hire a guy from M I T and'd
be like, okay, code code, what's gonna happen? You know,
what's what? What's the Soviet Union gonna do? Like code
these variables?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: Well know for certain nobody can do that because that
does because that's not what it is. But somehow guys
like Metroanach and Kissinger and Baker like knew what was
going to happen. It's not as a psychic, you know,
I'm not saying like I'm anywhere near guys like that obviously,
but on the spectrum or scale spectrum said that if
you were going to call me a retard, but on
the scale of the way my mind is wired. I
that's where my skill set is.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, one of the points made here, and I'm
just doing a bunch of Devil's Advocate at this point,
is that the monetary system allows them to go, you know,
do a lot of the things that they can do.
That's part. Do you see that, Do you see the
dollar going away?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be It's not gonna just disappear, and
there's not gonna be some punctuated collapse like nineteen twenty nine,
but that you know, wipes out the dollars of reserve
currency in some punctuated way, Like the dollar is gonna
be kind of devalued to the point where it's just
in a de fact a way, even if they're still
gonna be incentive to maintain it the reserve currency, so
you can still like encourage America to do business with
you in the way that America wants to, you know.
And like a lot of countries, I mean, China is
the most prominent, but you know, they arn't eventually peg
their currency against the dollar, you know, so that's gonna
endure for a while. But gradually, even countries that insist
that like the dollar is still the reserve currency, they're
gonna deal like what Bricks does. I'm not one of
these guys is like Bricks is the future because when
that that's the Kremlin being stupid. But uh, and Coping
is like the youngsters ce but uh, their model of
like maintaining like a floating basket of currencies as a
you know, to flesh out their reserves. That's going to
become the norm.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well what you know, I think what I hear
a lot of people say is it's like, oh, the
you know, the government's doing bitcoin reserves. El Salvador has
bitcoin reserves. We still have gold reserves.
Speaker 2: And but what the dollar? Like, Bitcoin's not a currency,
you know what bitcoin is. There's there's nothing wrong with crypto,
but it's not a currency. It's a non traditional bond
and it's a way of banking without being availed to
the enforcement mechanism and control and possible seizure of federal authorities.
Like you don't have a currency when the only store
and value when your currency is pegged to the dollar.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I made that point about that. I made
that point about gold. It's like anything that you're trying
to you identify as a potential m one currency so
that you can, you know, stop fractional reserve banking. That's
not what stops fractional or reserve banking. What stops fractional
or reserve banking is people in charge who don't want
to fractionally reserve.
Speaker 2: The banking also something insidious thing in of itself, Like
that's antiquated thinking, you know, like what's the alternative we
should have, like an Islamic banking system where you're basically
like when you take out a loan from a bank,
you're basically lend them stock, and you know you're selling
them like perennial stock, like beyond the scope of their investment.
I mean, like lending it, lending it interest in a
way that's not usurious, that that's that's what fuels business
and innovation. That's not like evil somehow. But the same
people too, like the people equate like banking is evil
with the same people claim like gold is is a
is somehow like immune to interest rate manipulation. Gold is
literally a shiny rock, Like shiny rocks aren't real, and
like bearer papers not fake, Like how's like a shiny
rock real? You know, Like I think gold is cool.
I like to see stuff meat out of it. It's
nice to give you your girlfriend or something. I'm not
anti gold, but it's a shiny rock. I mean that's
what it is.
Speaker 1: All Right, I'm gonna get us out of here. Let
me just read a couple of super chats here. Uh
ex coboron Rumble says, and I don't believe this for
one second. I mean I believe the second part. I
don't believe the first part, says I've never met a Jew,
but I did shake George Bush's hand when I was
ten in two thousand, in the year two thousand, so
close enough.
Speaker 2: That's awesome.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, right, yeah, Sully the amount like kite
subscribe for five, thank you, Carl Yen, says Pete. Did
you ever see any gigs at the Brass Mug in Tampa?
I saw some great bands back then. Yeah, that was
like the freakin' There was a lot of punk stuff
there and hardcore stuff, and like at that time when
I was in Tampa, I just wasn't into it. I've
been to the Mouse Down there too, yeah, yeah, yeah,
and that was that was kind of blowing up when
when I was there too, But yeah, I was more
into like the there was like a big goth glam
scene there and everything, and that was like most of
my friends that I was hanging out with were like
into goth clam and everything. So yeah, Sully the Malki,
says Pete. Did reading The Last Crusade have anything to
do with you getting back to your Catholic roots? Understand
you likely were on your way, but wow, Carol's Carol's
work really pulls me that way too. For a for
a bunch of years, like I was just getting put in,
like Catholic heart core Catholics were getting put into, like
my friends were, like everyone that I was coming into
contact with was a hardcore Catholic and everything. And then
I guess what cinched it was when I moved to
this little town in East Alabama that has you know,
more like one hundred times more chickens than people, and
there's this little Catholic parish in this town, and I'm
just like, oh, let me go visit that and everything.
And that's what That's basically what pulled me back in
and got me for some of my first confession in decades,
which was a lot of fun. And then all right,
and our buddy Kreig says, always great to see Pete
and Thomas on a Sunday night stream after work, Creek
coming in from Austria. That's awesome. But all right, man,
I'm gonna let you go. I I appreciate you joining
me for this stream, and I appreciate everybody. You know,
I was I was reading the comments, you know, and
and I just wasn't responding to him because I thought
this was a conversation that needed to be had at
this time. So I want to thank Thomas for joining
me once again. And yeah, man. Oh and by the way, everyone,
in about an hour and fifteen minutes, the next episode
with Thomas comes out. It's part four of the Radical
Traditionalist School where Thomas talks about Marciliatti and Julius Evila. Yeah,
so tune in. Thank you, Thomas. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1: Man. Want to welcome everyone back to the Pekingano Show.
Thomas is back, and I guess maybe this will be
like a part two of what we talked about in
the live stream last week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's sense. It will characterize it as such, what
do you got for us? I refer to Hannah or
rent a Lot. I mean I cite her a Lot
as one of my sources. I mean, she was an
important historian. She was an Akolata Heidegger, and she wrote
specifically about the historical experience of Jewish and European hostility,
and that's important because it's not something people understand. And unfortunately,
I mean, I honestly don't understand where people get their
ideas from them. I guess maybe they think internet memes
constitute some sort of education on things or.
Speaker 1: Oh, you know, you don't even have to guess that.
I've had people tell me, like when I was a
libertarian and I would talk about, you know, narco capitalism,
how do people tell me? Everything I know I'm in
a narco capitalist and everything I know about a narco
capitalist I learned from memes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean, just like the terminology the one
invoke it's this weird poemical stuff that doesn't really have
a context, and you know, which is like whatever, I
don't I prefer people like that didn't have the capability
to poison our conversations. But you know, it's something, Uh,
it's something that's ill understood, and uh, it's not reducible
the subject matter. I mean, it's not reducible to polemic
or things like that. And you can't, I regard, regardless
of what's pathological or dysfunctional about you know, telemun of judaism,
you can't project current political conditions into the distant past,
as if that this is just some sort of structural
schema that's always existed. And the reason why things became
so anybody became so violent in the twentieth century is
because there was a there was issues of first impression, emergent,
a structure that was new. You know. One of our
Ren's big points is that, first of all, the Third
Reich was not at all in nationalist government. In some ways,
it was the opposite. They looked at their mandate and
their mission and their ideological imperative as as civilizational you know,
their velt politic was a superpower politique. Hitler was always
talking about how how Germany's the actual pivot of Europe
and U strategic terms, Europe is the air. It's a
classical civilization. And that's what we've got to understand ourselves.
Nationalism is this Westphalian contrivance that was a mile wide
and a centimeter deep, you know. And I think by
the point before the national Socialists they'd contempt for the
narrowness and nationalism and their early enemy he's I'm talking
like when Drexler was heading the party, before Hitler even
you know, came on the scene with the DAP, these
like region, these regional nationalists were the guys they fight
with a lot of the time because these people were
stunted in their perspective, and that that's not what national
socialism or any of the dominated theological strains that were
actually having an impact in the world affairs, like, like,
nobody thought that way anymore. Who was actually engaged, you know.
In the way the way to understand Jewish power is
that it was kind of the legacy of the balance
of power system in Europe, you know, the slow development
of nation states under kind of the tutelage and domain
of absolute monarchs.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: One of the ways they kind of were able to
project power across the national frontiers, especially in the terms
of fluid capital especials that existed then, was through Jewish
financial concerns. And this also of unofficial means that diplomacy,
so such that Jews were kind of the de facto
integrated banking structure of you know what's fali in Europe,
you know, and to be clear, that didn't convey any
direct political power. As a matter of law, Jews had
no political power, you know, so when people act like
in Cromwell's error or something, Jews were these bad guys
who were sabotaging political events or engaged in social revolutionary activity.
That's asinine, like whatever hostilities existed sociologically, it didn't angelate
to that kind of paradigm because that wasn't possible. It's
just ignorant to suggest otherwise, you know. And after the
French Revolution, the degree to which everything abruptly changed across
the continent, that can't be overemphasized. You know, among other things,
a seving the sociological disruptions and the kind of onthological
shock of it. Political power started to become global, you know,
in an ascent way, and the nation states that still existed,
their concerns became more and more scaled, and an exponentially
larger amount of capital and credit needed to be placed
at a government or a monarch disposal, you know, and
this caused a consolidation. These kinds of smaller concern financial
concerns were wiped out. Jews were downwardly mobile during that period,
and that radicalized a lot of them. The combined assets
of the wealthiest strata of Western and Central European jewry
became more and more consolidated, and then that became a
political concern just because of the power that wielded, and
suddenly the fortunes of that sort of financial structure was
no longer abstract from politics and political events, you know,
and there were certain show points whereby access to that
kind of fluid capital dependent upon you know, political imperatives,
and so you had ambitious men within these remaining Jewish
financial concerns who became who became political actors, you know,
in part because that will was always there and couldn't
be realized, and also partly by necessity, you know. And
to be clear, this is a fairly formalized structure. Long before,
you know, a lot of court of stories had this idea,
and even people who have someone of a visionist perspective,
they view the kind of weird interdependence between European monarchs
and aristocrats and jury as suddenly after you know, emancipation
and the granting a political rights to people across credle divides.
You know, this was suddenly when Jews started appearing at
European court. That's totally inaccurate. Pretty much every noble house,
every monarch, every royal court, they had some representative of
Jewish financial concerns literally posted at court to handle this
kind of business, you know, and these guys it was
almost always a single individual. It was almost you know,
it was almost always a single man who wasn't tethered
the intrigues by virtual like the woman he was married
due He almost always had contacts, familial contacts across national
frontiers and ideally he'd have some sort of in with
whoever the primary rial the court he served, you know,
was was so in gauged, and uh that was kind
of the start of Jewish political power as we think
of it, you know, despite what people think. I mean, yeah,
in the modern era, like post Westphalian peace, money you
took on an outside significance in political life. But it's
the idea that having money aximatically makes you political powerful,
pultically powerful.
Speaker 4: Is h.
Speaker 2: That's a non sequort or it doesn't. I mean even
today they're they're two different things. There's uh an interdependence
there that's natural and financial power and political power. There's
there's an there's incestuous aspects to the human component of
who serves these concerns. But one doesn't somehow translate to
the other automatically, you know, So it's not the thing
of Jews. Is rich guys like that's not that doesn't
tell us anything. All kinds of people have money, you know,
in terms of control of wealth at scale, the Japanese
and the Saudis control an astronomical amount of money. The
world's not run by Japan and Saudi Arabia, okay, And
that's not an accident.
Speaker 4: The U.
Speaker 2: Plus two production of commodities at scale, it had this
kind of homogenizing effect on European economies, at least in
the West of Europe. And that changes things too, because
if basically every nation state it's it's national economy, you know,
accounting for comparative advantage as they can be said to
exist in microeconomics, is engaged in basically the same kind
of business, financial concerns and financial financial houses that service them,
they basically start gambling on the same imperatives and futures
and outcomes, you know. And that's got the effect of
not just driving up the cost of doing business, but
you know it it allows for a certain homogenization of
how of how of how capital functions at continental scale,
you know. And to be clear too, this is I
think I'm made this point before, probably not polemically, but
going back to the Middle Ages through the late modern period.
This is the big reason why kings fell out with Jews.
It wasn't because Jews don't like white people and their commies.
It was I'm in a hawk to these people, and
the big I'm paying them is positively usurious, and I
think I'll not pay them and I'll banish them from
my kingdom.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: That's what it came down to, and that is the
effect of you've basically gotta handle your banking needs by
proxy through some other friendly government, or you've got to
stake out some sort of path of autarchy and a
crew massive At that time, I would have been in
gold and silver reserves and try to go it alone.
This had a profoundly negative effect and your ability to
do business if you did that. Okay, but that's that
was the main catalyst for Jews being banished from the court.
It wasn't people deciding that Jews are bad because I'm
based so I don't want them here anymore. There was
absolutely peasant revolts and programs against Jews that were born
of hostility and Jewish financial and labor concerns. Abusing those
people that numbercent happened, but at the level of royals
and Edict's formally banishing Jews from these territories. It was
what I just said, it was. It wasn't this fantasy
of what people seem to think, and you can't corral
that new some sort of common paradigm with the current
situation or as things have been since you know, the
close of the nineteenth century or whatever. The UH. This
started coming somewhat to an end, at least in you know,
and by the time Germany was united, the whole schema
of how national military endeavors were funded it changed. But
in a lot of Europe this endured really until the
Great War, the UH, the the Austria, the Austro Prussian
War of eighteen sixty six. One of the big bank concerned,
one of the big Prussian Jewish banking concerns, was a
bleak Roter, and bleek Roter himself, gersanvan bleek Roter. He
and Bismarck had this fairly tight business relationship contemptions of
the may have been otherwise, and one of the things
that sort of solidified their partnership. You know, Bismarck was
not he was not some that the ights Consler was
not some sort of absolute monarch or something. He had
to appeal the parliament if he wanted to fund any
kind of military activity. And when the Parliament cut the
purse strings Bismarck, he made his case to somewhat prescious
traditional allies, and when they weren't biting, he went to
bleak Roter and uh essentially found himself in a hat
you know, the uh, the the Jewish Berliner, you know,
banking structure that'll do the last time that happened at scale.
And this is one thing that's interesting, Like if you
read the Numberg laws and if you read kind of
the what what if you read like what Gerbel was
writing in his diaries about like what the cadres were saying.
You know, this was a very political act. It was
we're gonna get Jews out of the civil service, We're
gonna get them out of the professions. You know, we're
gonna we're basically gonna strip them of political rights. And
if they try to mobilize, you know, for example, uh,
some kpdre and like sick them on our people in
Munich or whatever, we're gonna we're gonna throw them in
a concentration camp. There's no talk of Jews are not
allowed to conduct financial business because at the level we're
talking about, that wasn't really an issue. You know, It's
not like it's not like in Berlin in nineteen thirty four,
if I needed a small business loan to like open
my restaurant or to you know, by like building tools
for my construction firm. It's not like it was like
appealing to some Jewish guy and I had to basically
cowtow whatever he wanted to get, you know, like some
sort of line of equity. And I think people must
understand that, you know, their absolutely Jews actually did, absolutely
did wield financial power, particularly the UK and the USA,
but not in the way we're talking about in you know,
Westphalian Europe. Sociologically it played out totally differently, you know,
and it was a political problem in the German Reich,
it wasn't. It wasn't an economics problem or or a
banking problem. You know, I'd even argue too. I mean
the case I'm the first to stipulate, you know, a
lot of America's involvement in World War One, they quite
literally was Wall Street having the Wilson administration by the
balls and demanding interventions. They didn't eat a billion dollar
loss based on this unsecured line of credit was being
afforded to the British Crown. But I mean that was
JP Morgan was absolutely a war profiteering firm, But this
wasn't Jews manipulating an outcome from Wall Street. J K.
Morgan didn't care how the how it shook out. They
wanted their money, you know. It so happened that they
bet on the wrong horse, you know, So that's important too.
It was uh, and and and and again that's an
odd case in the late modern era. I mean, often
things about the First World War were strained, but that's
important too. Say, I'm sure there are buttle is going
to be coming from some body in the comments insisting
that insisting that U. Wilson was owned by Jews because
of JP Morgan wanted its money. But uh, you know,
and this is uh, you know, traditionally too, there was
sometimes formally sometimes just the factoh, these European peace treaties
that establish national boundaries and rights therein, and these territorial
swaps and everything else that characterized Europe for centuries. There
was pretty much always some sort of Jewish representation on
deck when these things were fleshed out, and that by
the end of the nineteenth century that basically come to
an end, you know, And one of the rent makes
the point too, I mean, aside from the political structure
and the characteristics that derive from that structure that was
emergent as Europe pruly entered late modernity, you know, as
wars became total culminating in World War One, the metrics
became victory or death for waging war. You're not gonna
have You're not gonna have some financial representatives on deck
running unofficial diplomacy with your enemy as to how are
both going to kind of make sure are our economic
concerns aren't aren't devastated by conflict when you're trying to
annihilate your enemy in absolute capacities, you know, you're trying
to physically annihilate him and his country even occupy it
and then essentially either rape what remains figuratively and literally
or reconstituted as you know, a kind of destination market,
fear manufacturers and financial instruments like You're not You're not
gonna have some Jewish banking representative on deck from the
enemy country to like negotiate with your people. I mean,
that's that's absurd obviously, you know, and that's important too.
Nascent globalism, you know, the the limited globalism that was
emergent by over one basically precluded that kind of stuff,
you know.
Speaker 1: So it's.
Speaker 2: It's, uh, it's ridiculous to talk about the Jewish financial
power in the twentieth and twenty verth centuries is driving
from banking. That's not what it derives from.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: Interestingly too, I mean back when during the the Merkel counselorship,
you know when famously when when these Wall Street types,
including Goldman Sachs, they were trying to they're basically trying
to break the industrial national economics of the Buddhis Republic,
and they approached these German banking concerns, which were largely
Goyish and I'm talking like in the two thousands and
uh when they tried to get this is ABZ pre
two thousand and eight crash. Goldman Sachs is trying to
get the Germans to sign on with funding these uh
financial instruments and basically put their you know, integrate retirement
funds and welfare outlays with like four to one K
type structures and like and like the whole like German
bank community like laughed in their face, like we don't
invest in derivatives? What's wrong with you? You know what
I mean?
Speaker 1: Like it's.
Speaker 2: I mean that speaks for itself. You know that this
is a Germany is literally an occupied country. It's it's
being subjected to ethnic cleansing by social engineering. But the
indigenous financial structure they like laugh at Wall Street when
they try and get him in on these like Shylock. Uh,
you know, con shell games at scale, you know, with
respect to financial derivatives. I mean, frankly, I would have
been surprised for it any other way. I mean, now,
the the Europeans are literally mentally insane people now, I
mean like you can't they're parently irrational.
Speaker 1: But uh, you know I when uh.
Speaker 2: There was when when when some kind of basic reason
it's still prevailed even a messtonagoan occupation, you know, I
mean that that speaks for itself. That you know, banking
concerns are particularly uh on the side of financial capital,
you know, not commercial banking. Obviously, it was very very
discreet from whatever the political situation was and the political
culture was, and the duras this day because in uh,
in some basic sense, you know. So there was this, uh,
there's there's this odd contradiction where on the one hand,
this uh, this uh Jewish diaspora which existed in terms
of basic hostility with indigenous European majorities. The thing that
built their power base was their peculiar insinuation in the
financial affairs and life at court. But what ultimately created
this terrible and catastrophic enmity between the two populations was
an almost exclusively political matter that didn't really.
Speaker 1: Have anything to do with.
Speaker 2: With high finance, you know. And uh, this isn't a
trivial point or something that generally give interest to academics.
It's actually important. But uh, moving on, I find my
place here, you know. And this is one of the
reasons why in the era, the era being you know,
the nineteen thirties and forties and then beyond the Cold
War and even today this pops up in historical discussions
people attack revisionists or people they perceive as being sympathetic
to fascism of history or whatever, saying like, well, how
can how can you quote blame Jews for revolutionary communism
if they're these if they're these arch capitalists manipulators. I mean,
that's a false dichotomy anyway, but also it's not one
or the other. And again by the twentieth century, you know,
other than at great scale, we're talking about massive fortunes.
You know, in these consolidated financial concerns, Jews really weren't
insinuated into finance. Erie Seleskin makes the point, you know,
he's a guy who wrote the Jewish Century. He's an
interesting scholar. You know, obviously he's a you know, he's
he's descended from pale settlement people. You know, so it
can't be said that he's just some constitutional anti Semite
or something. You know, he's got an anthropological in the
traditional sense, you know, drawing upon the same kind of
methodology as people like Doumazil. You know, he talks about
the Jewish conceptual horizon, how they view themselves, you know,
as a people, and how they view the world outside themselves,
and the p symbols that constitute that worldview. You know,
he's though, he's the guy who coined the phrase Mercurians
to describe the Asganasm and Apollonians to describe these European
populations that you are descended from a warrior, yeomanry, and
I identify with those kinds of values and things. You know,
he very much borrows in the trifunctional hypothesis. But you know,
the Mercourian view or cultural perspective or you know orientation,
existential orientation. We're gonna look at it that way. It's
not reducible to a belief in money and the power
and advocacy of money or something. You know, it's uh,
it's got an emphasis on abstractions as the way of
doing business in lieu of agricultural activities. You know what
kind of profit teering and negotiation sometimes which is perfectnesce
in a hostile to liberally in lieu of warfare. You know,
an idea of the historical process as a being kind
of related to concrete particulars and intrigues they're in, rather
than you know, a kind of narrative hole that.
Speaker 4: Is a.
Speaker 2: Exists under a you know, the Christian God obviously, you know,
and Stesley makes the point too, or sled Scheme makes
the point too. At the turn of the twentieth century,
the total population of European Jewry was about eight zero
point seven million, and over five million of these people
lived in the Russian Empire, where they were about four
or five percent of the population, and most of the
Russian Jews lived in the pale settlement and residency laws
restricted them. There there were some slim minority who were
farmers or factory workers like scattered about. But you know,
his point was that breaking down these demographic realities, you know,
you're you're not talking about something like cosmopolitan group of people.
You're talking about a really kind of primitive, almost backwards
living people, you know, in majoritarian terms, you know. So
the idea that these this kind of cultural mileu was
giving rise this kind of worldly, uh conspiratorily sophisticated perspective
is kind of nonsense. You're talking about very basic hostility, okay,
from people who mostly were kind of incestuously insular, you know,
and like within that uh kind of strange existence developing
an increasing and curating, like an increasingly violent hostility to
the world without you know, then that reality seems totally
at odds with the kind of caricature that exists in
people's minds of jewelry, you know. And Selenskin makes the
point too that this a major component of them kind
of home mercorean conceptual horizon. It's contingent on the outside
world retaining this kind of strangeness, you know, and the
cliche is that you know, you're asking us it's this
paranoiac tendency and not just dislake for outsiders, but this
idea that the outside world's dangerous. You know, that's very
much the source of you know, internal cultural life here.
You know, this this is the opposite of a sophisticated
worldly perspective. You know, it's uh, it's it's incredibly it's
a cultivated ignorance, you know, like it really it really is,
you know, and and that that breathes on pathologies too.
So what of the sort of the cultural pole stars
and and and psychological meta tricks in terms of you know,
historical memory. You know, oh, the Cossacks are programming us.
You know, there's there's a World War two, is a
world conspiracy against Jews. You know, like this kind of
stuff would be laughable were it not you know, enshrine
into this kind of reigning ideology of you know, that
that that oppresses people at scale. You know, if you
if you remove that aspect of it and the historical
significance of it and the danger of it, you you'd
pity and laugh at people who think that way, you know,
and that uh, you know, to be clear, there's kind
of a naturally built in, almost commissarial structure. Very few
people talk about this. I think it's because a lot
of Americans don't really have a taste for serious theology
and anthropological characteristics that are related therein you know, the
degree to which Jewish society became this sort of fractious
remnant of a once complete cultural paradigm after seventy a
d really can't be overstated. Like this idea of the
synagogue being the center of cultural life and these these
rabbinic scholars who aren't priests, and I'm not sure people
really understand that without a temple, there's no priesthood. Without
a sacrificing priesthood, there is no Judaism as is understood
in biblical terms. But a rabbi is basic we he's
kind of one part minister, but he's more almost kind
of a scholar of the law, you know, like a
juristic professorial type. You know, having men like that be
kind of the cultural backbone, and in lieu of a
temple or a church, having a synagogue, which is basically
which is basically an academic and political institution be the
center of humanitarian life. That's very strange, you know, and
that's also why, that's also why the kind of two
pole stars of status among the Asganaism. We're being a
learned man in Judaism, and again not not a priest
and not a and not a kind of not a
you know, like a learned man in Islam. You know what,
people are gonna quotally call him mullah, which is improper
for a lot of reasons. But that's something different too.
You're gonna think of a you know, these guys in
places like Iran, you know, and you find it across
the sectarian divide like Sharsuni. You're kind of aspire to
be like a learned man in Islam. That's kind of
a different thing that's strong almost upon you know, like
a tradition of mystics that's common to a lot of
these a lot of these uh Islamic cultures. Like I'm
not I'm not saying that's a lofty thing to aspire
to either, but it's a different thing. You know. Uh,
there's nothing there's there's there's nothing mystical about a Rabbi,
there's nothing you know, it's uh like I said, it's
fundamentally commissarial, you know. And uh so that role, you know,
being kind of coveted or like being able to crew money.
You know, that's like however people feel about that and
whether that's you know, moral or not. It's a strange
thing to assign that kind of profound cultural value. Do
like most most developed culture is kind of view with
the in terms of the opposite, you know, like, oh,
he's a pious man, he foregoes an interest in you know,
material things for their own sake. You know. So this
is this is all very strange. And again the way
you understand it is that these tendencies derive from this
self imposed isolation and kind of ignorance of the outside
world and this sort of like incestuous and celerity. It
doesn't derive from the kind of like cynical worldiness that
comes from you know, running things and you know, knowing
about the world and being urbane. That's preposterous. It's it's
it's literally the opposite, you know.
Speaker 1: And this is a.
Speaker 2: And this is one of the things too, where once
that kind of interdependence that existed between European elites and
Jewish elites based again on kind of the how politics
was done at court and things like. Once that I
went away, you're talking about populations that are situated really
as vicious enemies. And not only was there no longer
any sort of interdependence that insinuated a kind of common
objectivity about one another, if not respect, you know, once
that went away, something horrible was going to happen. And
that's exactly what did happen, you know. And to be
clear too, I don't know if I got on this before,
but like Skin makes the point, you know, most well,
most Jews didn't even speak the languages of the people
they lived among, you know, like Ukrainian Jews spoke Yiddish.
They didn't speak Ukrainian or Russian. You know, if you
went to a if you went to a Jewish village
in Latvia, even when that was situated you know, amiss,
you know, like a larger constellation of towns or something.
These people didn't speak Latvian. They didn't eat the same foods,
they didn't go to the same places. They looked at
each other as dirty, you know, as similarly, like unless
you were some sort of linguistic scholar or something, or
just by accident of being immersed in some sort of
truly sort of cosmopolitan and multi racial city like casperg Vienna.
You know, Nanjis didn't speak Yiddish, like why would they,
you know, so there was It is possible, in late modernity,
perhaps even especially in late modernity, to literally live next
door to a people and remain totally insular from them.
And I think a lot of people, I mean, that's
one of the reasons why the whole narrative of globalism
a scale fails. I mean that that's starting to fade out.
People don't really you're you're you're finding those kinds of
appeals to you know, moral platitudes and social propaganda. That
that's that's becoming less and less common. But this idea
that oh, in the modern uh, under modern conditions, you know,
you live around over kinds of people. It's like yeah,
and people got their face and the screen and like
they hate each other, you know, like it's not you know,
you're not going out to like work on a farm
with like a you know, all these great people who
work there with you or something or you know, and
incrasingly you're not even like you're not even passing Randall's
on the street anymore if you don't want to, you know,
I mean I kind of have to don't of a car,
you know, Like, but in uh, the uh, the degree
to which, even prior to information age innovations, you could
entire communities could avoid each other while being situated two
miles apart. I mean that was the reality. You know,
it's the uh, but that's you know, and it's obviously
this is a bit tangential, but it's related, you know, uh,
and it's particularly on point it needs to be this
kind of ongoing discussion about the reason for this profound
and catastrophic enmity of the game to Russia. I mean
they agree to which the reader asanasm hate the Russians
can't be overstated, you know. And even even when you
read this this kind of yeah van Mishem type propaganda,
like even within their own narrative, they say stuff like,
you know, Germany was a civilized and culture land and
you know, Jewish blind Perlinners, you know, were patriotic Germans.
You know, if if we were gonna suffer a horrible
program anywhere, we'd have thought it would be Russia. I mean,
Russia is the enemy to the Ashcanasm, you know, and uh,
I like, uh, you know that peace Stalin's willing executioners.
It was originally a it was a paper that Kevin
McDonald drafted, and then he expanded into this uh not
quite book length essay, but the most of that piece
it's a review and a breakdown of sleds Skeen's book,
because this is a huge aspect of what sleds Keen
talks about, you know, and he fully acknowledges a huge
amount of Jews joined the Cheka and they set about
to massacre their Slavic neighbors who they viewed as oppressing them.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: They hated these people, and Stalin exploited that, you know.
And I don't know how anybody can look at how
the Soviet the Russian Revolution developed. You literally had the
Jewish population locking and loading, slaughtering these people that they hated,
massacring their priests, destroying their churches, trying to wipe them
out as a culture. And then when these criminal personalities
like Stalin after kind of the cycle like killing it
run its course. And after the Second World War and
the emergency wrought by the pass, Like what does Stalin
do you being hanging and purging all of them because
they were too dangerous to allow to survive in this
kind of socialistic empire. That derived it's what you know,
driving its internal cohesion and its legitimacy from this claim
that you know, the Russians are the first among the nationalities.
Like how anybody can look at that and be like
Prutin likes the Jews and Israel in Russia are allies.
I mean, like you're you don't lose reality if you
think that way, or I mean, you're so fucking stupid,
I you probably are at risk of fretting to breathe,
you know, and and then dying, you know, to say nothing.
The fact that the Soviet Union was literally at war
for Israel with Israel for decades. The Russians went to
war against Israel again in twenty eleven and then as
zion As the government was installed in Ukraine, it receeded
to assault the Russian Federation. Like this isn't esoteric or
crazy stuff that requires a lifetime of study and attention
to subtle nuanced to to understand. Like if you look
at a political map and if you turn on legacy
media programming for five minutes. This is what jumps out
at you, like, even if you're not an intelligent person.
You know, that's why I just I refuse to engage
with people who say such things anymore because some things
are too stupid do acknowledge.
Speaker 1: But that's.
Speaker 2: You know, that's that's the long and short of it.
I mean, don't get me wrong, I've got my own
theories on geopolitical affairs, and obviously I'm no environmentalist type
of person. But the reality is that this voracious appetite
for consumption and the conversion of you know, natural racism
and commodities, in the in the in the usable value
added things this has. You know, there's a limited caring
audacity here. And one of the reasons America is the
loci of world power is because it's it's it retains,
you know, what remains that what remains the bounty of
nature is situated here being rapidly depleted. The remainder, the
other remainder of the world's natural resources are in Central Asia.
You know, uh, oil, natural gas, arable land, you know,
all all these things. Central Asia, the Russian heartland, it
doesn't quite have what we do here. But it's compared
to the rest of the planet, it's a tremendous wealth
of resources. And uh so there is that incentive to
to break up the Russian Federation and be able to
access and exploit those things.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: I mean that this this goes way back. So that's
that's always a consideration. But that is that is far
from the primary catalyst for the you know, adopting any
irrational war footing towards the Russian Federation has happened in
nineteen ninety nine and plus two. If that was the
only if that if that, if that was the only objective,
you will that's not that you don't go about it
by waging some irrational crusade against the Russian Federation and
transforming Ukraine into a kind of suicide torpedo. That's not
how you do it, you know. So it doesn't it
doesn't defeat or about the proposition to point out, you know,
well it you know, these uh some of these energy
concerns are trying to break Russian state control as far
back as like you know, ninety nine, two thousand. Yeah,
that that that did happen. That is happening, but like
it's not one of the other. You know, that's why
too the when the Bush Baker Plan, the Bush Baker
Gorbachev model for the post Soviet era, you know, like
I said before, it's really interesting because in part that
plan called for the Soviet Union to remain until full
disarmament had been realized, and then for the transition to
something like the Common of Independent States, this kind of
devolved federalism, but with the supremacy of Moscow as the
political core remaining. But Rumsfeld, Cheney, a bunch of the
PNAC guys, they their big notion was to break the
Soviet Union essentially into three pieces, you know, like the
Siberian East or like, so what was Soviet of Asia?
Then there was like basically, uh, the Greater Moscow Leningrad
kind of constellation of uh of of territory, and then
uh like Ukraine and like Belarus and like Western Russia.
You know that that was kind of how it was
supposed to break down, and uh, some sort of some
sort of cipher like Yelson would be kind of like
the dictator of you know, like American Commissariat Moscow there
to the EU would be able to essentially cannibalize Ukraine,
you know, uh, with you know, America, and the driver's
seat obviously is the occupying element. And then uh, the uh,
the Soviet Far East would what had beened like the
Soviet Far East that basically be like the territorial hedge
against China, and that also be uh the origin point
of deployment into Central Asia and stuff, you know, in
the subcontinent, what have you. And they would also facilitate
pressure being brought to Baron Iran and stuff that's really
interesting to contemplate.
Speaker 1: Well, well, the people who think that that Putin works
for the Jews would have to believe that he basically
is doing what Yeltsin was supposed to do as far
as p Neck was the and which means that if
he works for the Jews, he works for America. Yause,
I mean, if if we're zog, that means that that
means that Putin works for the United States. Is the
United States government?
Speaker 2: The same people, like I said, like, I don't I
haven't followed him lately. Maybe he's become more center.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: But I used to run under these guys who were
like Info Wars fans, and they drop a lot of
Alex Jones' talking points and they claim stuff like the
Cold War was ledgered Maine, and I'm an idiot because
there was never any chance in nuclear wars. It was
all fake. And it's like that's not how things work.
I mean, that's stupid for all kinds of reasons. But
it's like so America and the Soviet Union, they're just
maintaining these massive constellation of military forces. Then they were
pretending to go to war in places like Vietnamine and
Gola and killing a bunch of people just as part
of like the magicians act. Why would anybody do that?
You know? But there's the same people who claim that,
well nine to eleven was a controlled demolition. It's like, okay,
but if you don't need to blow up the world
trace and get a war man date, you know, you
basasically to stir up war fever. You know, this isn't uh,
this isn't nineteen forty where you got you know, President
for life Roosevelt saying how do I how can I
mobilize twenty million men, you know and kill off they
were from like a quarter million, like a million American
boys in some unpopular war and basically shut down all
activity other than this, you know, unrelated this unrelated to
this you know, massive war effort. Yeah, then you do
need a pearl Harvard, I aink that happen. You don't
need to You don't need to blow up New York
City to invent a catalyst to intervene in the Middle East.
You know, I mean, did Bush that, did Bush forty
one order some sort of bomb to be planted in
Chicago or LA to intervene in the Gulf War? I
mean like apparently not, you know, like because that's acidine.
But the you know, I say, with the Russia thing,
it's like, Okay, I understand in some cases we're talking
about historical or plical phenomena, like trying to explain to people,
especially people who don't really understand these topics in depth,
why there was this incredibly violent enmity between you know,
Jews and Germans. Okay, that's a complicated topic and it's subtle.
The case of Russia and Israel, they both talks, both
Russians and Israelis and Jews write books about how they
hate each other, why they hate each other, They go
to war constantly, and then people turn around and act
like this is like they're like be fuddled by the
reality of this, like I don't it's very much above board,
you know, like essentially the entire final phase of the
Cold War, especially after you know, Southeast Asia and and
the subcontinent and you know, we're stabilized where they set
a lit in this kind of divided paradigm and the
Sunda Soviets split was you know, kind of ossified into
a new paradigm. Like basically the front line of the
Cold War was Palestine, you know it uh Moscow literally
passed a law making it a crime to be a Zionist.
Like this this goes back centuries. You know, it's it's
I I don't understand it how you can be like
that fucking stupid. But uh you know, like I said,
I just don't. I just don't engage with those people
because they're I worry you might be contagerous, Like I
might become like unbelievably fucking stupid if I like catch
whatever they have or something.
Speaker 1: Well, it's like the nine to eleven thing, the how
not how nine eleven happened and how the buildings fell,
why three buildings fell, is really like that's for the
low IQ people to talk about why it happened and
you know why it was carried Why that mission was
carried out is way more important. But people don't want
to know the why because if you can figure out
where the bomb was placed here and what happened here,
you you seem to be a whole lot smarter.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: It's like that's one of the things about conspiracies is
and I'm not talking about conspiracy. There are conspiracies. There
was a conspiracy to get the United States into World
War One. We know this. I mean, that's that's inarguable.
I'm talking about these conspiracies that are meant to divert
you away from the things that you should be concentrating on.
I mean it's like you have people who believe that,
like the reason pot the reason Putin is is a
Jewish puppet is because he's crossing over border and killing
white people. Yeah, well that's what that's what That's what
Jews want, right, Jews want to kill white people. And
even even if he's not working with him, he's so
fucking stupid that he fell for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah you can't. It's just like a total lag of
understanding of how the sociology functions. That's scale too, Like
I don't. I think Pelee's idea that if you're talking
about a country or a political consolation of hundreds of
millions of people, it functions kind of like the office
they work at, just bigger or something like. They don't
they don't understand that when you're talking about humanity at
that scale, there's nobody really at the helm. You know,
you've got politically powerful people they're responding to essentially apocal
forces or acts of God, going to live it that
way and identifying you know, when where and how. You know,
a directive intervention by political or military means you know,
can swing an outcome when where or the other you know,
I know there's other things there too. I mean there's
like what honor demands and you know, impulses relating to
the passions and things and you know, uh, paradigms of
religious belief that like inform conduct. But you know, I don't, Yeah,
that's what people just don't even understand, like what what
politics is like. It's not or the think that the
planet is like some sort of variant of whatever, like
weird corner of America they live in, you know, like
one of the things like you know, and uh, I
think too. They've got this idea that warfare only emerges
as some sort of as some sort of deliberate policy,
and like you can you can just make it happen
or make it not happen, like you can by tending
your garden or something. You know, I mean, like war
arrives like the seasons, you can inspire to capitalizing additions
of enmity and push those conditions towards catastrophe, you know,
like America is done in Ukraine, but it's uh, the
situation there. You're dealing with the totally dysfunctional culture and
there's an irrational animosity there, particularly coming from the Ukrainian side,
but that they didn't like spontaneously emerge one day because
you know, idiots the American Department of State have some
ability to like mind control people or something. But I
maintain and this isn't some sort of stupid flex are
standing politics at scale. It's like anything else I don't understand,
Like people just decide to understand this. It's like would
you decide you understand nuclear physics? You know, like why
do you think you have some say on this? You
don't know what the fuck you're talking about? You know,
you have no ability to perceive these things. But you're like, oh,
this is what I think it's like. Why because you
watch you watch TV, like you know, it's really really
really weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're not going to get it from podcasts either,
and that's coming from a podcaster. Yeah, we can help
you down the road, we can point you in the
right direction. But if you're not leaving here, if you're
not leaving this and reading Uri Sledskin or Hana our Rent,
well you don't know what. You don't know what was
just discussed, you know, And then you're going to have
the people who are going to immediately say, well, you're
invoking a rent and you're invoking Sledskin, and there are
both Jews, and of course they're going to say that
there the all the Jews, all the this blame needs
to be deflected away from Jews because you know, they're
trying to protect their own Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just don't I read. Uh. I remember it's like
a layman in terms of like space science and stuff.
And I listen to a lot of podcasts like by
that guy Jean Michael Goatier, you know he does the
Event Horizon pod and stuff, and uh, whether people agree
with the takes of him and these other guys. These
guys are all like PGDs and physics. Like I'm not
saying credentials mean you know something, But in that whole
kind of sphere, there's not just like random guys who
are like, yeah, I manage at Walmart, but today I'm
gonna talk about you know, black hole cosmology because I
watch TV, so I'm an expert, like like literally in
like the political sphere. That's what it is. It's like
I'm some like random dickhead like Dan Bill's aria and
you might remember me from like like how to pick
up girls and like steroid guys stuff. But I don't
like Israel now, you know, It's like where do these
motherfuckers get their fucking balls? You know, It's like you
got no you have no opinion on this, you know,
like you like you know less than nothing.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: That's that's weird about it. When I realized there was
an entire legacy media culture that it's kind of tailored
to confer these delusions upon randos that they were actually
they actually understand politics. But I still maintain it's a
fucking weird phenomenon. I literally spend like ten hours a
day like studying this stuff and I have for my
entire life, and uh, I feel like I'm just scratching
the service of things. But then there's like a billion
randos who are like barely literate, who have like some
hardest fuck opinion on politics, like it's retarded.
Speaker 1: Some of them have audiences too, no, so.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, that's like I said, like if you look
at these these supposedly like right wing fags, it's just
like random idiots, Like that's why he's that, Like Dan
Bilderian guys like this, Like Jim bro guy. One day
he's like, I don't like Israel, Like it's it's it's
like a grift. But it's just weird. It's weird. These
people think they understand that it's weird. They gravitate the
total randos who they decide or authorities on you know,
like phytical theoretical affairs and stuff, and it's just like weird.
They think that they're in they have a stake in
this anyway. But it's like it's like the rand whos
have decided like Trump is ruining their life. It's like
it's like it's like you don't understand these things this
has no impact on your life, Like why why are
you convinced like Donald Trump is after you? It's like
whoever the president is. It's like you're not capable of
understanding this shit. Just like go about your goofy life
and you know where you like work at Target or whatever,
Like why why have you decided You're like some Marvel
Comics character and Donald Trump's a super villain who's trying
to do things to you, you know, like that that
you have like no bearing on your world, you know,
like it.
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's just frustrating sometimes because you know,
you you bury your heads the head in these books
and you actually read them to people sometimes, you know
how I like to do that and everything, and people
still don't get it. It's still black and white. It's
still this black and white good versus evil kind of thing,
and it's there is no I mean, if you bring
up if you bring up sociological issues, you know, within
within the framework of two people, of two distinct peoples
who just are not going to be able to get
along with each other. I remember one time you and
I talked about I think Jews in Spain. It's like,
how the hell did Jews go into a Catholic country
and both of those groups not immediately start killing each other.
It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. And why because
there's a So it's not because one doesn't like the
way the other one looks, one doesn't like the way
the other one smells. It's because there is a fundamentally
sociological issue there that is going to cause one of
those groups to realize that the other is a grave
threat to their to their survival in in that milieu.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, and it's yeah, exactly, well no, and that's
why that's why Gee keeps so hard and increasingly I'm
a part of it because I'm like old and cantankerous,
but I'm just not I I'm not here to like
trying spoonfeed knowledge to stupid people. They're like or disruptive
or ignorant people. And it's like, I don't I think
it really gets me. And like I said, I mean,
I I'm trying to overreact to this stuff and I'm
very fortunate and all hads of way. It's not better,
but they'll be motherfuckers. They will literally plagiarize my shit
and like say stuff I'd said word for word and
then like I'm an idiot and I don't know what
I'm talking about. It's like really, man, it's like you
gotta have you built a content brand on plagiarizing me,
you know, so it's like you must be a real
idiot then, because like apparently I don't know anything, but
your entire kink is like appropriating everything I say and write.
Speaker 1: But you know, and then like.
Speaker 2: Thunders made the point that like people would they hate
on him constantly and see he was like a junkie
piece of ship, but then they'd like imitate everything he did,
so I guess thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you got a chance to have a
conversation where people who have been studying this for decades
and like they're actually like real academics, and you have
conversations with them and they're like they're not calling you
an idiot like some fucking a non on Twitter.
Speaker 2: Will Well it's also too, I mean, frankly, like I said,
I don't I don't think I'm I don't think I'm
better than anybody. You don't think I'm like some kind
of genius. But it's like, well, I don't know, man,
I have that conversations about this kind of shit with
people like Henry Kissinger. And you know, I've never been
told that I'm that I don't know what I'm talking about,
that I'm an idiot, and like I said, it's like, okay, fine,
I'm an idiot then while you motherfuckers stop plagiarizing me now,
like I whatever. But yeah, yeah, all.
Speaker 1: Right, man, tell people where they can find you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, uh, the best spot remains substick. It's
real Thomas seven seven seven dot substack dot com. You
know that's from there you can get to my social
media and all that shit. And uh, my website now
is pretty like everything should be working right, It's number
seven hm as seven seven seven dot com. Like go
there first and foremost.
Speaker 1: Yeaes sir. Oh. One thing I took away from this
you said it at the end. Gatekeep gatekeep gatekeep in
your personal especially in your personal life if you're if
you're out there gatekeeping on Twitter.
Speaker 4: Oh that guy over there, he won't name the Jew,
so that means that means that he wants the Jews
to take over Yeah, seek Canadian healthcare?
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 2: Yeah, why that's why you don't teach people to read
exactly Yeah
Speaker 1: You take every other back