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<v Speaker 1>So my boy, David Shabbaz, what's up, man?

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, what's going on? Jeral good to be on here

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<v Speaker 2>with you.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the the author of Black Gold. What's up? What's

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<v Speaker 1>up about that?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that was actually just a that was actually just

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<v Speaker 2>one of the headlines. The actual title of the book

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<v Speaker 2>is Pro Wrestling's Black World Champions write.

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<v Speaker 1>Down Pro Wrestling Black World Champions, Got You, Got You?

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<v Speaker 2>Got You?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like I saw, I'm saying, it's such a people

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<v Speaker 1>like to you know, get into a gain to them,

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<v Speaker 1>like this specific topic about black So yeah, I thought

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<v Speaker 1>it's very cool. I saw your press release for the book,

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<v Speaker 1>so yeah, not that right.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the third edition. Yes, yes, the original came

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<v Speaker 2>out in two thousand and nine, and it was a

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<v Speaker 2>small publication. As you can probably imagine, there were very

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<v Speaker 2>few Black World Champions at that time, and so it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's it's grown over the years, which is good

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<v Speaker 2>for our people.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, yeah, like how many? How many? Like on

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<v Speaker 1>top of your head, do you think Black World Champions

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<v Speaker 1>were back in two nine? You had because this before this,

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<v Speaker 1>before Mark Henry Watch, you know, I guess it become

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<v Speaker 1>the ECW championed count that one W championship.

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<v Speaker 2>That was kind of a like an asterisk because it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't the true e c W.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's that's it's debatable. It's depatabule.

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<v Speaker 2>At that time, it wasn't. It wasn't. Well, I understand

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<v Speaker 2>what you're saying, and that's why it was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>included because but it wasn't the independent e c W

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<v Speaker 2>federation at that time. It was owned by w w E.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I mean, so would it count if let's

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<v Speaker 1>let's say it's that e c W. Let's say it

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<v Speaker 1>was the w c W championship that Mark Honey one, right, well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's still count or.

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<v Speaker 2>You're talking about under w W E. Yah, under Night War.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if Mark any won that championship, it.

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<v Speaker 2>Still would have it still would have carried what we

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<v Speaker 2>considered an asterisk. I mean, but yes, he was listed

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<v Speaker 2>in that in that publication.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, all right, cool, cool, cool. So so we'll

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<v Speaker 1>get more to that. So just real quick, tell you

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<v Speaker 1>about yourself or who you are.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, David Shabaz, I'm a uh scholar, I'm a college professor.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a scholar of sports and sports communication. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not you know, some people say I'm a historian. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not really a historian. I'm a scholar. They're there are

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<v Speaker 2>people out there who know much more uh, statistics and

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<v Speaker 2>all about you know, professional wrestling than I do. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not particularly a fan in the true sense of the word,

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<v Speaker 2>because fan is short for fanatic. Yes, not a fanatic.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't dress up in costumes. I don't watch every

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<v Speaker 2>episode of professional wrestling. I've been watching professional wrestling throughout

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<v Speaker 2>my life, but I don't watch the Independence. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>watch every episode of NXT. I don't watch that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what that's the difference with me. That's why I say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a fan per se, because I don't watch

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<v Speaker 2>just to watch. If it doesn't entertain me, if it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't have somebody that I like, I'm gonna flip the

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<v Speaker 2>channel and watch something else.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Okay, that's crazy. I was gonna actally later on,

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<v Speaker 1>like you watch the local in the pen and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>I got well real quick. I got a text for

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<v Speaker 1>my boy Russ saw to him the mand Space podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>He told me something about what you talked me about.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a pc W show in Canada, South Carolina. And

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<v Speaker 1>then he has his on his eyes, very cooped potential.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, okay, so I guess we won't get too

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<v Speaker 1>independent stuff cool. What's it called? Real quick? But you

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<v Speaker 1>said you said you're two things. You said that you're

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<v Speaker 1>professor at the college. We call it just that.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh well, it's a it's a midwestern university. I'd rather

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<v Speaker 2>not say the name of the school.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, And and uh you're a live from Kentucky, right, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I bet bet. I just want to get that clear

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<v Speaker 1>right now, all right, huh.

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<v Speaker 2>Clues, but I just don't want to say the name

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<v Speaker 2>of the university, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Got you? Got you? I respect that, respect that, okay, okay?

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<v Speaker 1>But uh so, so you said that you're not a

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<v Speaker 1>historic You're not You're not uh was not a history

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<v Speaker 1>you're Scott yes, mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this, this particular publication goes back to my brother.

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<v Speaker 2>My brother Julian was the one who was this publication

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<v Speaker 2>and and those of you maybe familiar with him. He

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<v Speaker 2>was basically the scholar historian of black professional wrestlers. He

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<v Speaker 2>wrote Black Stars of Professional Wrestling back in nineteen ninety nine.

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<v Speaker 2>This was before there was all of these podcasts and

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<v Speaker 2>all of this focusing on black professional wrestlers. He was

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<v Speaker 2>the one that was doing that, and this was his

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<v Speaker 2>publication originally, and when he passed in twenty twenty, I

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<v Speaker 2>updated his book back in twenty twenty two, which was

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<v Speaker 2>the second edition, and the industry of course has grown

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<v Speaker 2>and has recognized the talents and the marketability, I should say,

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<v Speaker 2>of more black wrestlers. And so this one is the

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<v Speaker 2>third edition and it's really more a mind which has

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<v Speaker 2>uh some scholarship in it as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Got you, got you?

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<v Speaker 2>Got you?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, what got you into wrestling in the first place?

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<v Speaker 1>Like how not not a fan, but what got you

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<v Speaker 1>interrestling in the first place? And not a fanatic? But

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<v Speaker 1>like what got you interrestling?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, like I said, I've watched what watch professional wrestling

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<v Speaker 2>my entire life. My family grew up watching professional wrestling,

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<v Speaker 2>So that's something that's always been a part of me.

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<v Speaker 1>So pretty much by by relation, right by by through

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<v Speaker 1>your family. I mean that's kind of how I got

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<v Speaker 1>thro rustling too, Like my sisters like low key force

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<v Speaker 1>it on me. But yeah, well I got two older sisters,

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<v Speaker 1>so yeah, and so yeah that's how I got into rustling. Okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>uh so let's just to start with your brother. He

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<v Speaker 1>started this and he took up from there. So why

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<v Speaker 1>is it so important the catalog? Not only well, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>say you, why is it so important to the catalog,

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<v Speaker 1>especially black world champions.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, because there's so few. And the whole thing about

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<v Speaker 2>being a champion itself, and a black champion, it goes

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<v Speaker 2>back to it's a reflection of all of the struggles

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<v Speaker 2>that black people have had to go through, especially we

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<v Speaker 2>talk about African Americans in this particular, in this society,

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<v Speaker 2>we have always had the struggle and always had to

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<v Speaker 2>fight harder and always had to prove ourselves. Because professional wrestling,

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<v Speaker 2>which is different from amateur or Olympic wrestling. If you're

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<v Speaker 2>pure wrestling, will it's not just about your or talent

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<v Speaker 2>because it's not competition based. People are looking at other

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<v Speaker 2>aspects like your character and your presentation and your marketability.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you put butts in the seats? You know, there's

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<v Speaker 2>so many different factors that they look at before they

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<v Speaker 2>put the belt on you, because there was so many

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<v Speaker 2>people before that they considered but never got the actual belt.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmmm. And what yeah, what it means to be

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<v Speaker 1>the world champion?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>It means like especially because you know, like no, like

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<v Speaker 1>the modern wrestling is no scripted, right, what it means

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<v Speaker 1>to be the world champion, It means that that there

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<v Speaker 1>that that that the company as a whole. They want

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<v Speaker 1>you to be the face of it. They want you

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<v Speaker 1>they want to market the company after you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, that's what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>So, uh you are you are the face of the company.

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<v Speaker 2>The frantic.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>They they are very selective about anybody who they put own,

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<v Speaker 2>but definitely when it comes to being uh you know,

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<v Speaker 2>somebody black, it's it's all. It's very tough.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm okay, okay, so real quick right before a

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<v Speaker 1>gain more into that. Uh so, so what other like

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<v Speaker 1>books of projects have worked for written?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Well, this is the fourth. I wrote Public Enemy

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<v Speaker 2>number one back in which was actually it started off

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<v Speaker 2>as my master's thesis, which was looking at public Enemy

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<v Speaker 2>at the time. This was like in the early nineteen nineties.

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<v Speaker 2>And uh, Dolomite the Story of Rudy Ray Moore. My

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<v Speaker 2>brother and I wrote that publication back around nineteen ninety six,

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<v Speaker 2>and that was the very first book and probably the

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<v Speaker 2>only book that has been written on Rudy Ray Moore.

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<v Speaker 2>So at the time. We got a lot of publicity

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<v Speaker 2>from that one in twenty nineteen. It was a very

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<v Speaker 2>slow start in the beginning because everybody, everybody knew Dolomite,

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<v Speaker 2>and they knew the especially him from the hip hop community.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody in rap was sampling him, so everybody knew about him,

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<v Speaker 2>and people culturally in the black culture know about him,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was kind of like taboo to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>him because he had not transitioned at that time, like

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<v Speaker 2>Red Fox, Richard Pryor, and even Eddie Murphy himself, so

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<v Speaker 2>you know, him still being he had not made these

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<v Speaker 2>g rated television shows and other things where people saw

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<v Speaker 2>him in a different light. So it came, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>nobody really wanted to touch it and deal with it

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<v Speaker 2>until Eddie put out the twenty nineteen mainstream movie on Netflix. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>now he's got this legitimacy and everybody's talking about it now,

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<v Speaker 2>and we being the only ones who had wrote the

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<v Speaker 2>book on him. CNN USA Today, other major media outlets

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<v Speaker 2>had contacted us for interviews because they wanted to know

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<v Speaker 2>if the story was real, and yes it was, that

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<v Speaker 2>was a true biography.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, real quick, right, what can we find can

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<v Speaker 1>we find your own writing?

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<v Speaker 2>Everything is on my website, uh, davids dot com. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>certainly through webs Amazon and all of those places.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, so just type of your name right on Amazon,

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<v Speaker 1>So David L. Shabban's D A B I D of

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<v Speaker 1>course L A B A z z type of Amazon

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying? Or just go to w W David L.

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<v Speaker 1>Shabaz dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, you know, Uh, let's correct you though, brother, it's

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<v Speaker 2>pronounced your bars. But because it's recorded, when people keep

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<v Speaker 2>hearing it wrong, I have to correct it.

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<v Speaker 1>No harm, got you got well in my defense, right,

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<v Speaker 1>jazz is still pronounced jazz, but.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not an American. So that's what is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Was that your what was that your birth name? What

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<v Speaker 1>do you take?

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<v Speaker 2>What like a like a that's that's my name?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? Okay, like is it like tything, muslim thing? Or

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<v Speaker 1>just got you got you? Got you? Got you? Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Salama like them my brother got you got

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<v Speaker 1>you okay? Uh, but everybody, well quick write this quick

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<v Speaker 1>plug touch my boy David on Amazon. Also going to

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<v Speaker 1>David dot com. Besides your books, wells Creed, besides your writing,

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<v Speaker 1>well S Creed fin on the website.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that website is just about books. So that's that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, uh, But but but you have anything, you

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<v Speaker 1>have any other parties coming up in their future?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, right now, my hands are full with this one.

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<v Speaker 2>And like I said, I'm a I'm a full time

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, so we just find it real quick, forgive me.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody has a lot of material to them through. But

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<v Speaker 1>you were talking about, especially back in the day, Well

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<v Speaker 1>but especially a black world champion. That means like the

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<v Speaker 1>find the email you sent the press release, because you

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<v Speaker 1>information that you uh that I've read. Yeah yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>people like Buddy Rogers, the Rock and Roll Express who

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<v Speaker 1>supported the rights of black wrestlers. So I guess I

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<v Speaker 1>guess what I'm trying to get to is like, so

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<v Speaker 1>like like who you like? Who you are credit for?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean that's and those are through different periods.

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<v Speaker 2>Nature Boy, Buddy Rogers, he had several matches with Sailor R. Thomas,

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't really truly a world title. But Nature Boy, Buddy,

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<v Speaker 2>why why not?

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<v Speaker 1>Why not?

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<v Speaker 2>Because when you talk world, you're talking about you. You're

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<v Speaker 2>traveling and defending the title throughout the world, not just

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I mean, well, fair point, but okay, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you were saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Though Buddy Rogers had matches with Sailor or Thomas, several matches.

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<v Speaker 2>At the time, white wrestlers were, especially in the South,

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<v Speaker 2>were banned from wrestling against blacks. So that's why you

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<v Speaker 2>credit somebody like Buddy Rogers because he wasn't afraid to

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<v Speaker 2>go into the ring. Uh, he was taking the risk himself.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was making big money.

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<v Speaker 1>But if he was, if he was banned, how was

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<v Speaker 1>he able to wrestle in anyways? It was a banned.

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't wrestle in the South, Okay, Okay, Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's the Deep South where only black wrestlers could could

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<v Speaker 2>he strolled one of the very first people wrestling. They

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<v Speaker 1>Got you, got you, got you okay, okay. And this

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<v Speaker 1>would have been like the like mid like ur mid nineties.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, we're talking nineteen forties, nineteen fifties.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, so wild so even I mean, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>know we have so brights still back in the sixties seventies,

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<v Speaker 1>but to think that, you know, there's still like element

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<v Speaker 1>wrestling industry is still kind of that's kind of crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, okay, that's what makes that's what makes the

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<v Speaker 2>publication so significant.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, okay, who else you have here? Uh? You

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<v Speaker 1>have here the rock and Roll Express? How did they

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<v Speaker 1>support the rising and stuff like that?

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<v Speaker 2>For black wrestlers, The Rock and Roll Express were really

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<v Speaker 2>significant in helping the gangsters. Have you heard of the Gangster?

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<v Speaker 2>where they were really significant in helping them out.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmmm. The only reason why because I'm a huge

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<v Speaker 1>Fansion Cornett and so yes, so so yeah, shoutut to

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<v Speaker 1>he real quick. Okay, but yeah, but going going about

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<v Speaker 1>that a little bit more, how did so so? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So you're saying the Rock and Roll Express worked a

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<v Speaker 1>lot with the with the gangsters.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they helped really get over And I mean if

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<v Speaker 2>people you know, all of that is detailed in the book,

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<v Speaker 2>how they really helped Nu Jack and Mustafa or get

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<v Speaker 2>over and.

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<v Speaker 1>Learn rest in peace. New Jackie died like the last

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<v Speaker 1>a year or two ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, people have heard of recently the Nation of Domination.

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<v Speaker 2>That's an offshoot of the Gangsters.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh really, mm hmmm, I did not see it that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing. That's that's they copied everybody. The people copied other groups.

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<v Speaker 2>And Delo Brown was once a member of the Gangsters.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, okay, I mean you know more than me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, we're like, I'm from a different generation. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>well that's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's that's that's the purpose of the book. All

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<v Speaker 2>of that is detailed in that.

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<v Speaker 1>And I appreciate it. I appreci your school and me

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate this, Like, don't teach me.

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<v Speaker 2>Some sa So yeah, we each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Real quick, give us a give us, give us like

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<v Speaker 1>a like a preview of the book, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>what we expect, you know what mission it's different to

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<v Speaker 1>to learn stuff like that. Look like like a little

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<v Speaker 1>snap pre of the book.

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<v Speaker 2>Well you've got you've got several of the black wrestlers

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<v Speaker 2>who won the title. And there have been a lot

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<v Speaker 2>these days, and this is the singles titles. There are

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<v Speaker 2>a lot more black females who have the title. And

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<v Speaker 2>one thing that's really different about this particular addition, because

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<v Speaker 2>they are more females in there as well. The black

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<v Speaker 2>tag teams are also also profile in this particular edition,

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<v Speaker 2>going back to the Soul Patrol, which is Tony Atlas

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<v Speaker 2>and Rocky Johnson the rocks Father.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, so what could before I get in to

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<v Speaker 1>listen to a question? Another question myself? Real quick pop quiz.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know how many Black World Champions there are

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<v Speaker 1>in history?

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<v Speaker 2>How many Black World Champions there are in history?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's that's that's in the book.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, So I might read the book to find out.

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<v Speaker 2>We're Yeah, I can't give away everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Brother, you got the ol G. You got it all right?

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<v Speaker 1>Bet so? So so okay, bet bet bet okay, bet so.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that's a nice secret to listen to a

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<v Speaker 1>listen of questions. So for those who are from the

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<v Speaker 1>show right now, I have a hotline nine one seven

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<v Speaker 1>two eight three ninety five six. You can text little

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<v Speaker 1>voicemail or calling live to give your comments or questions.

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<v Speaker 1>I have quite a few right here. I even have

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<v Speaker 1>some even now as recording. People still texting me stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like that. So they want to ask you this. One

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<v Speaker 1>person asks, do you follow the current wrestling product if

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<v Speaker 1>Soler promotions?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I watch a E W and w.

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<v Speaker 1>W E okay, and I assume that's pretty much it, right,

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<v Speaker 1>No New Japan, no chiple A. That's just those two writers.

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<v Speaker 2>Well only the ones that are that are showcased on

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<v Speaker 2>those particular shows, the ones that they have partnerships because

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<v Speaker 2>New Japan has partnership with A.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, so you want to watch it by extension

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<v Speaker 1>if it's like you know, okay, okay, oh it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't, I keep it getting he's holding that. Speaking

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<v Speaker 1>of black champions, what'st of the name of the NX champion?

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<v Speaker 1>That was the name again? I forgot, I lost, I

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<v Speaker 1>want oh no, no, I was saying, I forgot. It's

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<v Speaker 1>actually a NXT so on tonight heat wave. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's tonight going on right now. Iron enough, he's a

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<v Speaker 1>black champ. He's a black champion. I forgot. His name

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<v Speaker 1>is African guy with his name over fed me? Yes? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>so south of them watching that, I'm done with you

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<v Speaker 1>watch that check real quick. Also had let's have the

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<v Speaker 1>ABU show on today, which I didn't see either, but

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<v Speaker 1>I get a chance of looking at that look kind

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<v Speaker 1>of good. Okay, okay, uh, this person acts, hold on this,

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<v Speaker 1>this person acts, what about M M A or other

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<v Speaker 1>or other combat sports.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh do you like? I guess yeah, uh not really

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<v Speaker 2>really not really Again, I'm in I'm an old school guy,

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<v Speaker 2>and things really have to I have to like the

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<v Speaker 2>person that has to really be attractive to me. I

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<v Speaker 2>hadn't watched it since Ken Shamrock and Dan to b

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<v Speaker 2>Severn and those guys. Yeah, no offense guys, long time.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm saying, and if you and if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>have the charisma that those guys had, I'm not watching

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<v Speaker 2>dang man. I'm just not a fan. Like fans watch

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<v Speaker 2>everything and everybody that's not me.

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<v Speaker 1>I hear you, I hear you, I hear you. This

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<v Speaker 1>One person asks, w W E or a.

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<v Speaker 2>W uh w w E has a better overall product,

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<v Speaker 2>but ae W is is gaining some ground. I like

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<v Speaker 2>some of the things that ae W does, but a

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<v Speaker 2>leagues in my opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm okay, okay, okay, bring good question. This person asks,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you feel about the current wrestling product?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's uh, it has some bright spots. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>I certainly, I certainly follow it, I certainly keep up

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<v Speaker 2>with it. I think a E W is bringing a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of competition, and that's what w w E really needed.

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<v Speaker 2>They needed that competition. I just want I want ae

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<v Speaker 2>W to raise their profile a little bit more or

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<v Speaker 2>they seem to be kind of taking on the slot

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<v Speaker 2>that w c W had to a certain extent, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's a lot more character to them that

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<v Speaker 2>they can uh bring out without necessarily copying the w

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<v Speaker 2>w E per se. But I do kind of think

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<v Speaker 2>you you need to follow what the big juggernaut is doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Okay, I'll get I'll ask more questions from the

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<v Speaker 1>audience later on. But I've been thinking about something you

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<v Speaker 1>said earlier, which has to be thinking. So I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>to see how to phrase this. So I guess so

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<v Speaker 1>you said earlier. You said earlier, Right, it has to

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<v Speaker 1>be depended across the world to be considered a world champion,

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<v Speaker 1>a world championship. Right. I was gonna mentioned like Sasha Bangs,

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<v Speaker 1>but I lost track of how many she has right now,

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<v Speaker 1>something will like mentioned her. But I'll give I'll give

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<v Speaker 1>you an example. This example represents pretty much like my

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<v Speaker 1>entire point that I'm trying to act the NXT Championship, right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's this example of my overall point. Do you consider

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<v Speaker 1>that world championship? No, because it's not dependent across the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, No, n w w E does not consider that

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<v Speaker 2>a world championship. N NEXT is still that developmental territory.

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<v Speaker 2>It just happens to be televised, but that's the developmental territory.

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<v Speaker 1>But okay, but see now it's televised, right, so it

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<v Speaker 1>has a world ride reach, so it doesn't count. No, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, okay, w w.

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<v Speaker 2>E does not consider that a world titled.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean w w E like they consider stuff. They say,

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<v Speaker 1>what is it, what isn't? Based on what's convenient at

421
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<v Speaker 1>that time, so you know, yeah, but okay, that's.

422
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<v Speaker 2>A good point by that.

423
00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:23.400
<v Speaker 1>So so so so sometimes the NXT Championship counts, right,

424
00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:28.039
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes sometimes it's developmental, sometimes it's.

425
00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:34.599
<v Speaker 2>Third brand, you know, when does it count?

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<v Speaker 1>Well? So okay, so you know how, I'll give you example, right,

427
00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:47.839
<v Speaker 1>uh uh Well recently, right, Charlotte Flair was and Lex

428
00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:51.119
<v Speaker 1>were listening. We're listening their accomplishments, right, and she brought

429
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<v Speaker 1>up that she's a certain how many time champions and

430
00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:58.279
<v Speaker 1>she counted the nc NT championships, right, But at the

431
00:29:58.319 --> 00:30:02.079
<v Speaker 1>same time, Right, you have Sammy's a former NXT champion,

432
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<v Speaker 1>right and up until up until La Russelmena thirty which

433
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:11.000
<v Speaker 1>one was it thirty thirty nine, he never won a

434
00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:13.920
<v Speaker 1>championship on the main roster. And they've been saying that, oh,

435
00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:17.599
<v Speaker 1>he's been champion, but I saw much champion in twenty fourteen,

436
00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:20.440
<v Speaker 1>so he's sold. I'm saying he counts.

437
00:30:20.519 --> 00:30:24.680
<v Speaker 2>When counts, I think I know what you're saying.

438
00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:27.039
<v Speaker 1>Counts.

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00:30:27.680 --> 00:30:31.160
<v Speaker 2>It does count when it comes to the titles that

440
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<v Speaker 2>you have when you talk about being a triple crown

441
00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:38.720
<v Speaker 2>champion or a Grand Slam champion, but not a though

442
00:30:38.799 --> 00:30:41.480
<v Speaker 2>it's not a world title. Because when you talk about

443
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<v Speaker 2>who's a triple crown, if they won the Intercontinental Championship,

444
00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:48.440
<v Speaker 2>a Tag Team Championship, and the world title, then that's

445
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<v Speaker 2>a triple crown. And the NXT was one of those,

446
00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:53.839
<v Speaker 2>then that can be a Grand Slam because they won

447
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<v Speaker 2>four and they'll count the NNT as a championship, but

448
00:30:57.519 --> 00:30:59.759
<v Speaker 2>it's not a world champion.

449
00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:02.519
<v Speaker 1>But they've been to other countries, they've been next they

450
00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:08.559
<v Speaker 1>they've been like, they've been to Canada, they've been to Japan,

451
00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:11.480
<v Speaker 1>they've been there. No, we still know they've been to Austria,

452
00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:14.079
<v Speaker 1>they've been, they've been around the world.

453
00:31:14.440 --> 00:31:17.000
<v Speaker 2>That what you're saying. But it's not a world title.

454
00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:20.039
<v Speaker 2>It's a championship, but it's not a world title.

455
00:31:20.839 --> 00:31:25.079
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I know, I know you don't really follow in these, right,

456
00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:28.200
<v Speaker 1>but no I do, especially right here in New York City. Right,

457
00:31:28.240 --> 00:31:31.279
<v Speaker 1>you have One Division Pro, you have LPW and all

458
00:31:31.359 --> 00:31:35.119
<v Speaker 1>kinds of places, and real quick shout to Jared Diaz.

459
00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:39.680
<v Speaker 1>He's the current one Division Pro champion. And myself right

460
00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:43.279
<v Speaker 1>and the people on One Division Pro, we we not

461
00:31:43.359 --> 00:31:49.759
<v Speaker 1>only try to market him as a world champion, but

462
00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:53.240
<v Speaker 1>we demonstrate that by having him go to Mexico and

463
00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:57.680
<v Speaker 1>go to Europe and all the world. And so would

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<v Speaker 1>you count and so this is the truth? Think we

465
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<v Speaker 1>because I work I keep seeing we because I worked

466
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<v Speaker 1>with them for a little bit. So we would send

467
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<v Speaker 1>we would send jaredy not only over the country, but

468
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<v Speaker 1>we sent to We sent them to Europe, and we

469
00:32:11.319 --> 00:32:14.400
<v Speaker 1>sent them to Japan, and we send them to them

470
00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:17.880
<v Speaker 1>whoever else around the world. Right, would you count that

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<v Speaker 1>as a world champion because we're sending all the world

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<v Speaker 1>to defend it. Would you count championship?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's it's not up to me. It's what the

474
00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:34.599
<v Speaker 2>promotion considers a world title. Okay, okay, that's that's not

475
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<v Speaker 2>up to Okay.

476
00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:40.079
<v Speaker 1>Well all right, right, Well I consider the One Division

477
00:32:40.119 --> 00:32:43.759
<v Speaker 1>Pro Championship World Championship. I also consider the LPW Championship

478
00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:48.640
<v Speaker 1>world Championship because only King, the former champion, was depending

479
00:32:48.640 --> 00:32:53.680
<v Speaker 1>in Japan an overplaced, so shouting him for that, Okay, okay.

480
00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:56.559
<v Speaker 1>So it's like so based on we're just saying, right,

481
00:32:57.119 --> 00:33:01.200
<v Speaker 1>it's not only like where they defend it or where

482
00:33:01.240 --> 00:33:04.000
<v Speaker 1>they will feature it, but also if the company treats

483
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<v Speaker 1>it like a world championship.

484
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<v Speaker 2>I don't understand your point. I'm just what you're saying,

485
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<v Speaker 2>but I don't.

486
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<v Speaker 1>No, I'm asking I'm asking you like the world I'm

487
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<v Speaker 1>I'm asking you so so we can agree on so

488
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<v Speaker 1>according to you what you're saying, right, it depends on

489
00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:30.720
<v Speaker 1>the cow the champion, and I'm not promotion how treats

490
00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:34.039
<v Speaker 1>it right, how they treat it, That's that's what you're saying.

491
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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm. Would I be wrong? When I be like wrong?

492
00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:47.519
<v Speaker 1>Is saying that? Okay? It's uh, let's say the intercon champion, right,

493
00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:54.079
<v Speaker 1>the inter icy champion right, Well, I thought that's the

494
00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:59.960
<v Speaker 1>bad example. That's a bad example. So of course you

495
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<v Speaker 1>the criteria is that the company has to technowledge it

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<v Speaker 1>as the world championship. Mm hmm okay, and they also

497
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<v Speaker 1>have and also they have to defend it across the world.

498
00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:15.280
<v Speaker 1>That's what you're saying too, right, yes, so those are

499
00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:19.519
<v Speaker 1>two criterias, okay for to be that you consider for

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<v Speaker 1>the world chap to be a world championship, got you? Okay,

501
00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:25.800
<v Speaker 1>all right, so I guess okay, so cool, cool, cool.

502
00:34:26.559 --> 00:34:29.079
<v Speaker 1>I guess that's just trying to clear up. Let's give

503
00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:31.239
<v Speaker 1>us some mister questions. I got some from my boy

504
00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:36.159
<v Speaker 1>Chris Fleming shot at him regular to call him. He

505
00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:42.480
<v Speaker 1>asks here at the hotline, what or how has the

506
00:34:42.519 --> 00:34:45.559
<v Speaker 1>wrestling business changed from the old to the new?

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<v Speaker 2>Cool? You guys have some have some nice broad questions there,

508
00:34:55.639 --> 00:35:01.519
<v Speaker 2>because that's that's wide open. It's it's I wish it

509
00:35:01.599 --> 00:35:04.360
<v Speaker 2>was a little more specific there, but I mean it's

510
00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:09.840
<v Speaker 2>it's it's changed. And uh, I mean how far back

511
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<v Speaker 2>in the day from the territories. Certainly television change wrestling itself.

512
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<v Speaker 2>When you look at the popularity of the sport, it's

513
00:35:26.840 --> 00:35:30.400
<v Speaker 2>it's it's it's got a major following now. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking we're talking billions of dollars. W W is

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<v Speaker 2>like eight billion dollars in a W is like like

516
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<v Speaker 2>two billions something like that. I mean, so it's, uh,

517
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<v Speaker 2>it's it's huge these days.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Okay, I guess this last question. I could ask,

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00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:55.639
<v Speaker 1>and by ways Closten, he acts or he or she

520
00:35:55.800 --> 00:35:59.760
<v Speaker 1>don't know who this is, but this person acts. What

521
00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:05.480
<v Speaker 1>the differences or what transitions do you foresee with today's talent?

522
00:36:10.519 --> 00:36:14.400
<v Speaker 2>What ask that again? What transitions do I see with

523
00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:15.159
<v Speaker 2>today's talent?

524
00:36:16.320 --> 00:36:24.079
<v Speaker 1>What differences or what transitions do you foresee with today's talent?

525
00:36:26.159 --> 00:36:32.559
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's that's kind of that's kind of predictive. It

526
00:36:32.599 --> 00:36:35.679
<v Speaker 2>will put me into more of a wizard's kind of position.

527
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't I can't really foresee where the

528
00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:46.840
<v Speaker 2>talent is going. I like educated guests, old school talent.

529
00:36:47.079 --> 00:36:50.000
<v Speaker 2>I would like for them to be I would like

530
00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:52.800
<v Speaker 2>for the new people to be more like the old

531
00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:56.559
<v Speaker 2>school talent. And by that that's what I mean by

532
00:36:56.639 --> 00:37:00.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't just watch the show just to watch it.

533
00:37:01.079 --> 00:37:05.159
<v Speaker 2>People could back in the day, they could cut promos

534
00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:08.599
<v Speaker 2>and you enjoyed it, not even wrestling in the ring.

535
00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:13.800
<v Speaker 2>They knew how to build a feud with another person

536
00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:18.760
<v Speaker 2>promoted in the ring against each other. And that's what

537
00:37:18.800 --> 00:37:22.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm seeing. I want people to understand the Rock was

538
00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:26.519
<v Speaker 2>an old school artist. He knew that gift of the gap.

539
00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:29.119
<v Speaker 2>He knew how to talk and how to build a

540
00:37:29.239 --> 00:37:32.719
<v Speaker 2>feud before he got into the fight with the person.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I want to see. I can't say I

542
00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:41.000
<v Speaker 2>foresee that happening. I would love for that to happen.

543
00:37:41.320 --> 00:37:44.360
<v Speaker 2>I would love for those the new talent to study

544
00:37:44.400 --> 00:37:48.039
<v Speaker 2>the older talent and be able to draw people in

545
00:37:48.440 --> 00:37:52.559
<v Speaker 2>just by what you're saying. That is something that Dusty

546
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:56.599
<v Speaker 2>Rhodes was good about. That's something that Air was good about.

547
00:37:56.840 --> 00:38:00.000
<v Speaker 2>You know, they could talk and that's what made the difference.

548
00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:04.159
<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, all right, I think that's everything we got

549
00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:10.760
<v Speaker 1>for now. Real quick, plugs your website w w w

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<v Speaker 1>W dot w w W dot David dot com. Also

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<v Speaker 1>just search also just search David la on uh what's

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<v Speaker 1>it called? Uh? What was it? Amazon?

553
00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:28.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Bookstores?

554
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, well, real quick, like with all the bookstores

555
00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:36.880
<v Speaker 1>we found that like virtually or like or like in real.

556
00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:39.800
<v Speaker 2>Life worldwide, every bookstore.

557
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<v Speaker 1>Books, so Borns and Nobles, uh borders what every book

558
00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:51.000
<v Speaker 1>still everybody? Okay? And online and in real life right yes, yes, okay, okay,

559
00:38:51.079 --> 00:38:54.880
<v Speaker 1>bet but social media.

560
00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:02.760
<v Speaker 2>All of that is still run through my website, but

561
00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:05.920
<v Speaker 2>essentially at David Elschabas.

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00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:11.239
<v Speaker 1>Okay, uh so Twitter, Facebook, Instagram LinkedIn for him just

563
00:39:11.599 --> 00:39:17.480
<v Speaker 1>in few okay, everybody, real quick check out, not just

564
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<v Speaker 1>well check it out, like like literally check it out,

565
00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:22.920
<v Speaker 1>check out. Get it from the store, however how you

566
00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:26.119
<v Speaker 1>get it from? Right? What's in the book? What's in

567
00:39:26.239 --> 00:39:29.360
<v Speaker 1>the book? Tell us tell you tell us Black Gold

568
00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:33.719
<v Speaker 1>Discovering Pro Wrestling's Black World Champions, Volume three or through

569
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<v Speaker 1>the dish has.

570
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<v Speaker 2>To say what what's in the book?

571
00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:43.760
<v Speaker 1>No, no, I'm saying, plug the book, Come on the book.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, if you want to learn about the

573
00:39:48.239 --> 00:39:54.199
<v Speaker 2>history of the black professional wrestling champions who were world champions,

574
00:39:55.639 --> 00:40:00.920
<v Speaker 2>it's all detailed in this book. The female chamampions are there,

575
00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:05.039
<v Speaker 2>the tag team champions are there. That's what especially in

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<v Speaker 2>this one unique. I also have a for the scholars

577
00:40:11.159 --> 00:40:14.800
<v Speaker 2>out there. There's a rhetorical analysis that starts off with

578
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<v Speaker 2>WrestleMania nineteen, the match between Triple H and Booker T

579
00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:25.239
<v Speaker 2>and that particular promo was very controversial. Oh yeah, I

580
00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:29.280
<v Speaker 2>think that that kind of sets the stage for what

581
00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:34.559
<v Speaker 2>we're talking about and gives people an idea of what

582
00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:38.360
<v Speaker 2>the black people have to go through to be a champion.

583
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:43.920
<v Speaker 1>So, so yeah, you cover people like bear Cat right,

584
00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:51.599
<v Speaker 1>both Brazil, Ron Simmons, Mercedes, Monet Blanca, Bellaire, Jay Cargill.

585
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:56.000
<v Speaker 1>Who else you got? Naomi? He just gave it up.

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<v Speaker 1>This snout recently quest lass her for her pregnancy. But

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<v Speaker 1>real quick, right, you said that you that you only

588
00:41:03.880 --> 00:41:11.760
<v Speaker 1>follow like w W A W Right. So so Mercedes especially, right,

589
00:41:11.840 --> 00:41:16.840
<v Speaker 1>she has like multiple titles concurrently, right, So the New Japan, well,

590
00:41:17.360 --> 00:41:21.039
<v Speaker 1>well I don't really know which ones they are, so dang,

591
00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:25.079
<v Speaker 1>I gott look them up because all right, so do

592
00:41:25.159 --> 00:41:28.840
<v Speaker 1>you count? So do you count? Not? I'm not talking

593
00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:31.920
<v Speaker 1>about what she has right now, I'm talking saying in general,

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<v Speaker 1>So do you count, for example, the New Japan Championship,

595
00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:40.800
<v Speaker 1>World Championship? Do you count like the Triple A Championship?

596
00:41:40.840 --> 00:41:43.360
<v Speaker 1>You count like atheists, not w W or A W.

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00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:47.719
<v Speaker 2>Yes, New Japan is definitely a world time.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, okay, okay, Yeah, But the thing is right.

599
00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:56.960
<v Speaker 1>You don't really follow. You don't really follow anything other

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00:41:57.039 --> 00:41:59.360
<v Speaker 1>than those A W W W, so like you could

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<v Speaker 1>be missing. I mean, I'm not saying that. I don't

602
00:42:01.719 --> 00:42:04.119
<v Speaker 1>know if they do or don't because I'm not super young,

603
00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:07.960
<v Speaker 1>not as deep in the history as you are, but

604
00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:10.559
<v Speaker 1>like seeing as we follow.

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00:42:11.360 --> 00:42:15.840
<v Speaker 2>When you when you say follow, I can follow them online.

606
00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:18.840
<v Speaker 2>Now if you're talking about do I watch those shows? No,

607
00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:22.760
<v Speaker 2>because I don't have access to watch those shows on TV,

608
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:26.360
<v Speaker 2>so I can't follow them like that when you say follow.

609
00:42:26.679 --> 00:42:28.239
<v Speaker 1>But you still got you still got to be still

610
00:42:28.239 --> 00:42:30.559
<v Speaker 1>do your still you do your due diligence, you still

611
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:35.719
<v Speaker 1>do your research, right, Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, cool, cool, cool, Okay.

612
00:42:35.800 --> 00:42:38.039
<v Speaker 2>What they don't show in your area?

613
00:42:38.360 --> 00:42:42.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, well, well as far as New Japan goals, right,

614
00:42:44.480 --> 00:42:47.519
<v Speaker 1>New Japan World, it's like ten dollars a month.

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00:42:49.159 --> 00:42:50.000
<v Speaker 2>That's for fans.

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00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:53.920
<v Speaker 1>Okay, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, got you, got you, got you?

617
00:42:53.960 --> 00:42:57.280
<v Speaker 1>Got you? Do you did you ever watch? Did you

618
00:42:57.320 --> 00:43:05.719
<v Speaker 1>ever like like watch or follow TEENA? Yes, I'm just curious. Okay, okay, okay,

619
00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:10.280
<v Speaker 1>I haven't watched ten years because they stopped showing it

620
00:43:10.360 --> 00:43:14.960
<v Speaker 1>on my cable provider, they stop carrying on the right verizon.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm saying, brother, I was saying earlier. I mean,

622
00:43:20.599 --> 00:43:23.239
<v Speaker 2>you can't really watch what they don't what they don't show.

623
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<v Speaker 2>They did have a YouTube, a presence on YouTube at

624
00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:30.239
<v Speaker 2>one time, but that's.

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00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:32.960
<v Speaker 1>I gotta get the Somebody tell me how to watch

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<v Speaker 1>t X look good stuff, the whole NXT partnership. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>how to watch how to watch TEENA? Does like get

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<v Speaker 1>the app or something?

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<v Speaker 2>Now? No?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, I think that's everything. And last words we

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<v Speaker 1>signed off.

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<v Speaker 2>Again. I mean, if you want to know about the

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<v Speaker 2>history of the Black Professional Rats, there's Champions World Champions,

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<v Speaker 2>go out and get the book. It tells you everything

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<v Speaker 2>about the singles champions as well as the tag team champions.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, I get that book with quicks up playing,

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<v Speaker 1>get that book. I'm I'm I'm gonna read it. I

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<v Speaker 1>definitely want interested. I like, I like to read personally.

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<v Speaker 1>I played like a little about history and a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff. So I'm getting the book too. That's Black

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<v Speaker 1>Gold Discovered Pro Wrestlings Black Champions, third Edition. It's everywhere, man,

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<v Speaker 1>It's on Amazon. It's like it's like in little bookstores

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<v Speaker 1>like Barnes and Nobles wherever you can go. Well, David L.

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<v Speaker 1>Shabaz all right, checked out take out the website David

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<v Speaker 1>Olshabas dot com. Thank you for the questions. I got

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of them this time, so I appreciate you

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<v Speaker 1>all listening Highlight now on seven five six W dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're out of here by way right for

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<v Speaker 1>if you were curious, right the reason why I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>my dad, I'm on my bed because I have.

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<v Speaker 2>A leg cramps.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to stretch my leg. I'll be alright. That's

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<v Speaker 1>why I don't want to think I was like being

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<v Speaker 1>like disrespectful whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you didn't get a herd in the ring? Did you?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? Nah? Nah. It's funny too because I was just

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<v Speaker 1>talking about that before before he came on. I was

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<v Speaker 1>on the phone with a friend of mine and I

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<v Speaker 1>was telling how I'm trying to get I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get mentically cleared, not not to rustle, but to be

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<v Speaker 1>like a a what do you call it? Be featured

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<v Speaker 1>on a on a promotion look look promotion in New

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<v Speaker 1>York City. So yeah, ah, so they say too bad

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<v Speaker 1>if you if you know more about me? What's going

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<v Speaker 1>on for me? Social media? You already know what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not about me, thought my boy David Shabaz Instagram, uh, Twitter, Facebook,

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<v Speaker 1>LinkedIn and it was just website again, David boss dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>And get his book. Stop playing, get his book. It's

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<v Speaker 1>good stuff, good stuff, a lot of a lot of now,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of knowledge could be dropped on you. So

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<v Speaker 1>tat out real quick. All right man, I'm gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>take some leave, get something to eat and just relax

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<v Speaker 1>and uh yeah man, I'm holler do good stuff. Right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>come on again some time.

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<v Speaker 2>Love to love too. Thank you your your listeners as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, all right man, all right see