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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome to another episode of the

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Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up

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where we left off with Michael Thomas interview with the

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OIG Inspectors. Question. All right, so probably around eightish is

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when you're thinking, Thomas, Yeah, about eightish or so. Question. Okay,

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did you handle or touch any of Epstein's files or paperwork? Thomas? No?

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Question during your shift? Would you ever handle any files? Thomas? No,

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they're in sleeping No, we don't touch any of those Thomas.

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You're talking about any files inside his cell? Question? No,

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the files that you guys have that you maintain for

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the inmates. Thomas. No, I didn't touch any of those things. Question.

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I think they're called two ninety twos or something. Thomas. Oh, yeah, No,

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I didn't touch any of those things. Question. And did

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you ever touch them during your shift? Thomas during a shift? No? No,

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Thomas will excuse me, let me change that. After you

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finished feeding, you marked that you fed everybody. But that's

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not a paperwork thing. I think, if I'm not mistaken,

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that's done on the computer. Question. Okay, so that's not

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something you do. He gets caught off by Thomas. Yeah,

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continues the question, like on August ninth, you would have

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gone into Epstein's file Thomas, no question. Have you ever

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seen Epstein's file? Thomas, no question. No. Do you know

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anybody that did potentially remove files from Epstein's files? Thomas,

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no question. Do you know that anybody that went back

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into the shoe and removed any like tags or documents

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or Thomas I was gone, I don't know. Question. Okay,

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but did you remove anything from the office Thomas, I

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didn't remove anything, No question. No another question after that?

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Can I ask do you know where the file is kept?

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Thomas no question. And so you never removed or destroyed

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any of Epstein's paperwork Thomas no, I did not question.

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And you never removed or destroyed any signs related to

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Epstein Thomas No. I did not question that were up

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in the shoe Thomas No, I did not question. Did

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you ever access any BOP database such as bop ware

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Century True View after Epstein was discovered on August tenth?

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Thomas no, I haven't been back to that institution, no question. No,

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And you can only access that from the institution. Thomas, exactly. Question.

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Did you ever discuss anyone altering any documents Thomas No,

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I did not question or removing any documents. Thomas No.

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I did not question accessing any BOP database Thomas No,

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I did not question. Did anyone tell you that they

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destroyed anything? Thomas No, they did not question moved anything?

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Thomas no, sir. Question or access to any database? Thomas no, sir.

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Question have you reported for any shifts following August tenth,

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twenty nineteen, Thomas no. Question. No. Were you placed on

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administrative leave? Thomas yes. Question by whom? Thomas, whoever is

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in charge? I can't remember what my letter says. It's

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the ward and I guess. Question. So they didn't speak

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with you directly? Thomas No. I got a letter in

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the mail. Question and that's how they informed you? Thomas Yeah.

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Question Okay, what did the letter say, Thomas, I'm placed

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on administrative leave pretty much? Question Oh, Thomas and the

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whole bunch of pending something. I can't remember the exact

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lettering wording what they said? Question? Okay? And is that

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what you remain on now? Administrative leave? Thomas No, I'm

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on the question in definite suspension. Thomas yeah. Question did

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you communicate with Noel after Epstein's body was discovered Thomas, Nope. Question,

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So you have not communicated with her since Thomas, besides

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one time we had a sit down and talk after

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the case was over. Well after the thing, we just

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had a union meeting. That was it. Question okay, Thomas,

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and she did come there that type of thing, but

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we didn't discuss the case. Question and you didn't discuss

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the case Thomas, No, we did not. Question. Okay. So

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who from MCC have you communicated with regarding Epstein's indictment

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or incident? I mean on August tenth Thomas nobody question

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No one, Thomas nobody question. I'm assuming aside from your

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union representative. Thomas. Well, I just actually just started to

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him more often. But yeah, question okay, so he would

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be the only one Thomas, Yeah, him the union president.

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Question Okay. Can ten and this is something that I

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just thought of when you just took a break, something

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that I realized I didn't ask. Can ten South obtain

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access to the shoe? Thomas? Yeah? Question? And can you

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do that without telling anyone allowing them to enter? Tom No,

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you're talking about from the outside, No, Thomas, they have

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to come through the shoe to get to ten South.

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There's no other way from anybody from the outside or

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from any other part of the institution to get to

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the shoe besides from the outer door. Well, what about

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the intake system? This is me asking the question. You

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know the HVAC system? Could someone crawl through there? I

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don't know. I have questions though. Question okay? So could

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have could have anyone from ten South access the shoe

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without you or Noel being Thomas? No question? And can

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you just show who was in ten South when you

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were there? Can you show me on the daily assignment roster?

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So who would have been in ten South when you

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guys were there? Thomas redacted? Question? And do you remember

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if redacted visited the shoe at any time? Thomas? I

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don't remember. Question. Would they have been the closest unit

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to you though? Thomas? Yeah? Question okay, but you don't

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recall Thomas, I don't recall. Question okay. And for feeding

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or any counts or anything like that, did you guys

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or would you typically interact? Thomas? Yeah? Well, if they

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just for the count to help them count? Question? Okay?

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Would he personally? What time would he be onto same

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shift as you until eight am? Thomas? Yeah, same shift? Question,

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would he possibly be the person that showed up at

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five thirty am in the shoe? Thomas No, because he

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was on for the Morning Watch if he was on

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there from twelve am to eight am. Question all right,

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but you don't recall, Thomas, somebody coming in at five

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thirty Question who showed up at five thirty am? Thomas? No,

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I don't recall anybody coming in at five thirty am.

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Question Okay, so four am was Lieutenant redacted? But you

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don't remember anybody at five thirty am? Thomas. No, I

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don't remember anybody at five thirty am. Question all right,

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but there's no You were there and there there is

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no way that anyone could have accessed the shoe from inside. No, well,

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or you allowing them to get in, Thomas, to allow

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them to get in? Yeah? Question okay, And you said

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epstein cell was locked when you went in there, and

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when you did find him and rip the thing off,

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did you notice that his body was either cold or warm? Question? Thomas,

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I didn't notice. Question you didn't notice that, Thomas? No.

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Question Is there anything that I'm missing? Anything you want

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to add to this? Thomas, I don't. I guess I'm

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not well versed. Question please well versed in what Thomas

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well versed in the policy or anything? But no, I

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have nothing to add. Question okay, would you like to question?

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I just have a follow up question, Thomas sure. Question.

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that you've seen that before. Right. Question said I've seen

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that before or excuse me? Answer by Thomas, I said

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I've seen that before. Question not that email specifically, but

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you've seen that type of email sent out from psych before. Thomas,

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I said, I've seen that type of email that you know.

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I thought I didn't read the top of the email

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because some of them just say and why am all staff?

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Because they say all staff and it sent out to everybody? Question?

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Is it normally sent out to everyone? Thomas? No, Sometimes

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it is sometimes with that specific probably just sent out

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to the shoe and staff. Because my name wasn't on

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it and I'm not custody, so it was probably just

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sent out to custody. Question if it was an important discussion,

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it's something that needed immediate attention, would they have sent

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it out Thomas above my pay grade? Question? No? Would

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they normally send it out to all staff? Thomas Noah

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doesn't have to question. Okay, now, Agent redacted, just ask

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you a question. How could anyone have come in and

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out of nine South out of the shoe? Question ten South?

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Question ten South, but out of the show you if

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you were sleeping? Thomas, Uh huh. Is it possible someone

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could have come onto or into the shoe and left

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without you knowing if you were sleeping? Thomas, No question,

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because you would have had to let them in. Thomas.

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I would have had to let them in. Question. Is

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there any other way that they could have got in

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without you letting them in? Thomas? No question. Could someone

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else have a key that they could have used? Thomas,

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It would have come from control keys. The only other

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keys are in control? Question? So the only other key

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is in control? Thomas, yeah. Question. Okay, So the count

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the sheets we spoke about the count sheets and the

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signature that's Noel's Thomas, yeah. Question the initials were Noel's,

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not the counts that was on the rounds. I mean, sorry,

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the round sheets. Thomas, Uh huh. Question, Noel took initials

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were on it. Do you recall when Noel signed those sheets? Thomas, No,

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I don't question. If the video let's just say you

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guys were both asleep at one point. Thomas, Uh huh.

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Question for a couple of hours. Would she have filled

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it up, sign those sheets before or after? Because she

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would not have committed those she wouldn't have done those rounds.

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Did you ever see her pull those round sheets out

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and initial them? Thomas, No, I really wasn't paying attention

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to what she was doing. I really don't remember. Question.

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Have you ever worked in the shoe with Noel before? Thomas,

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It's possible. I don't know. I don't really remember. Maybe

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I have, I don't really remember. It's possible, But like

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I said, I don't know. Question. Okay, the reason I

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asked if you ever worked with Noel before? And you

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said the most of the time you do the rounds

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and the counts. Thomas, Uh huh. Question would it have

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been kind of awkward that both of you guys sat down,

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didn't discuss the fact you're not going to do the counts,

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don't discuss the fact you're going to do the rounds,

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and just sat down, slept and you know, went on

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the computer. But no one spoke about the facts. But

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someone between the both of you guys, you initialed the

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rounds the count slips and also the round sheets. Thomas,

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speaking of I don't believe that we had any conversation.

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I don't really remember any conversation that we had or

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anything like that. There are some things that are just

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not spoken about. It could have been like I said,

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I was exhausted. Hey listen, I did whatever whatever, and

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she did whatever whatever, and that was it. Question does

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it mean Thomas, there wasn't. No, he gets cut off

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if you worked with her in the past. Does that

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mean you guys did the same thing in the past, Thomas, No,

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question and just knew Thomas, No, it doesn't mean that.

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Absolutely not. Question. How come either of you didn't nudge

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each other to say, hey, let's go question or Thomas,

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I can't say what happened, what was going on with her?

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I knew what was going on with me. I was

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just as you could see by roster. And that's not

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my work roster. That's just my overtime roster that you

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all pulled up and brought to me. It's every day,

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every day. And I was just I had things that

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I had going on at the time. And I think

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the point being there, and again, because you're under oath,

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we just want to make sure that we're clear here.

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In fact, it was like an unspoken thing you guys did,

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but it seemed to be so natural that you didn't

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conduct any rounds or any counts. So it just seems

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odd that you wouldn't have happened like that in the

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past if there was no discussion that we're had, mister Thomas,

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like I said, if I did work with her, I

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don't remember if I did or did not. I mean,

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it's quite possible. I don't remember everybody that I work

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with in the shoe, but it wasn't something that we

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just spoke about. Question isn't it kind of awkward that

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the one night that both of you guys decided that

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the rounds are not going to be done, the counts

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are not going to be done, that this incident happens Thomas?

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It is. Question is it possible Thomas cuts them off?

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But it's never happened before, so of course it's an

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awkward thing. Question is it possible that you guys haven't

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done any of the rounds or counts on shifts before? Thomas? No,

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that's not possible. I wouldn't put that all to label

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one night for every night that happens in the shoe.

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Absolutely not. I wouldn't label that question. He admitted already

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that he didn't conduct all of the rounds and rounds

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he's documented, but he thinks he's done the majority of them.

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Is that correct, Thomas, I said, I'm not perfect? Question right, Thomas,

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And I've done my rounds. I've done all my rounds

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all the time. But I'm not a perfect person. I

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may have slipped up here or there sometime, but I

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have done my rounds just one particular night. He gets

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cut off, But not. I think what you said before,

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you're not perfect. You haven't done all your rounds. But

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that mostly Thomas. I would say that on schedule that

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I do my rounds ninety to ninety five percent of

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the time, and sometimes I don't do half an hour.

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I do it on the hour. Question, well, what about

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he gets cut off by Thomas. You know what I mean.

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But it's still the rounds getting conducted. Question And what

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for the counts? And now we're talking specifically for the shoe, Thomas,

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we're talking about specifically for the shoe. I usually get

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every count done, every count done. All right, folks, we're

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gonna wrap up right here. And in the next episode

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dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up where we

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