WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:47.280 Oh bed of far Hello and welcome to the show. 2 00:00:47.439 --> 00:00:51.000 This is the Cult of Conspiracy and I am the 3 00:00:51.039 --> 00:00:55.439 Cajun Night and today we have one a very special guest. 4 00:00:55.840 --> 00:00:59.119 I'm honestly not even sure who referred us to you 5 00:00:59.240 --> 00:01:01.399 or you to us, or vice versa. Here we've got 6 00:01:01.399 --> 00:01:03.320 told by multiple people that we need to have you 7 00:01:03.359 --> 00:01:06.319 on the show. Ladies and gentlemen, members of the Cult. 8 00:01:06.719 --> 00:01:08.680 Joe Schaeffer, what's going on? Brother? 9 00:01:09.480 --> 00:01:15.079 Amen? So much, dude, amazing life. Everything's powerful right now 10 00:01:15.120 --> 00:01:17.920 and yeah, just crazy times we live in. So it's 11 00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:19.200 good to be on with you. Guys. 12 00:01:19.599 --> 00:01:24.879 Absolutely, it is wild times right now. So you're give 13 00:01:24.920 --> 00:01:27.400 me a little bit more about your background here. I've 14 00:01:27.439 --> 00:01:29.439 seen some clips of you. I know that you do 15 00:01:29.599 --> 00:01:32.799 a lot as far as dream work and shadow work 16 00:01:32.879 --> 00:01:36.560 and things like this, but what is your background in 17 00:01:36.640 --> 00:01:39.680 credentials and how'd you get started all this type of work. 18 00:01:40.280 --> 00:01:43.359 I mean, you know, when I was thirteen, I took 19 00:01:43.519 --> 00:01:48.079 LSD and had a breakthrough. The first like second it 20 00:01:48.159 --> 00:01:50.760 hit me. It was like something clicked and I was. 21 00:01:50.719 --> 00:01:57.519 Like thirteen, yeah, yeah, brother, whoa yeah. 22 00:01:56.439 --> 00:01:57.760 All right, hell yah? 23 00:01:58.400 --> 00:02:01.319 So you know, but yeah, I mean I pushed it 24 00:02:01.480 --> 00:02:04.120 like early on I was really trying. I looked at 25 00:02:04.120 --> 00:02:07.959 it like a solution, wait, maybe a way to come 26 00:02:07.959 --> 00:02:11.199 out of hypnosis. And I found some older people that 27 00:02:11.240 --> 00:02:15.599 were willing to, you know, really go for it with me. 28 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:20.080 And I had an incredible life, spent most of it 29 00:02:20.199 --> 00:02:24.560 in nature, you know, in the mountains, hiking, and we 30 00:02:24.560 --> 00:02:28.599 were doing Parker before Parker was called Parker. We were 31 00:02:28.639 --> 00:02:31.520 just figuring out how to face our fear, you know, 32 00:02:32.039 --> 00:02:33.240 on psychedelics. 33 00:02:34.840 --> 00:02:36.080 What part of the country are you from. 34 00:02:36.879 --> 00:02:39.159 I grew up in Seattle area, so I was just 35 00:02:39.280 --> 00:02:41.960 trumping around the woods up in the Pacific Northwest. 36 00:02:42.280 --> 00:02:45.439 You gave p and w you know, energy. But I 37 00:02:45.439 --> 00:02:47.159 didn't want to just say that, you know what I 38 00:02:47.159 --> 00:02:48.840 mean where I'm that's. 39 00:02:48.639 --> 00:02:48.960 How I know. 40 00:02:50.280 --> 00:02:52.319 That's where I'm from too. And I was like, I 41 00:02:52.360 --> 00:02:55.039 feel like I might. I was like, maybe it was 42 00:02:55.120 --> 00:02:57.879 my circle of friends that was the ones that referred 43 00:02:57.840 --> 00:03:00.879 to you. I'm pretty positive because I was like, yeah, 44 00:03:01.319 --> 00:03:03.000 I'm from Oregon, so I grew up. 45 00:03:03.479 --> 00:03:04.919 I grew up underneath the mount hood. 46 00:03:05.479 --> 00:03:08.400 Oh cool, Yeah, I love Oregon too. I lived in 47 00:03:08.560 --> 00:03:12.479 Applegate outside in Jacksonville, growing gonje up in the mountains 48 00:03:12.479 --> 00:03:15.520 for a while too, and I lived in Bend, Oregon 49 00:03:15.639 --> 00:03:18.360 for many years. I ran a construction company out there. 50 00:03:19.520 --> 00:03:22.280 But yeah, man, I mean I had an amazing childhood. 51 00:03:23.039 --> 00:03:25.719 You know. My sister's boyfriend woke me up when I 52 00:03:25.800 --> 00:03:28.520 was twelve years old two in the morning and said, 53 00:03:28.560 --> 00:03:31.360 I'm going to teach you how to drink and so, like, 54 00:03:31.759 --> 00:03:34.759 you know, it's a pretty intense sort of thing. And 55 00:03:34.800 --> 00:03:36.680 if I ever find that dude, I'll probably beat his 56 00:03:36.800 --> 00:03:39.840 ass just for the hell of it. But yea, at 57 00:03:39.879 --> 00:03:42.319 the same time, that's that's the way the world is. 58 00:03:42.360 --> 00:03:45.520 There's people like that, you know. And my parents didn't 59 00:03:45.560 --> 00:03:48.000 know that by leaving me with my sister that they 60 00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:52.199 were just opening me up to everything. Right, she was seventeen, 61 00:03:52.319 --> 00:03:55.599 I was twelve, and boom, I'm just like, by thirteen 62 00:03:55.639 --> 00:03:58.439 years old, I'm selling LSD to like thirty year old 63 00:03:58.520 --> 00:04:04.479 gangsters and Tacoma and like downtown Seattle, like hardcore like 64 00:04:04.840 --> 00:04:09.039 crips and bloods and Mexican gangs. And I was getting 65 00:04:09.080 --> 00:04:11.800 picked up in junior high by like like twenty five 66 00:04:11.879 --> 00:04:15.159 year old Latino gangsters and like a hoop tie and 67 00:04:15.360 --> 00:04:21.839 just like drinking, smoking, taking mushrooms LSD like daily. You know, 68 00:04:22.480 --> 00:04:25.079 I was really smart, so I could I could cheat 69 00:04:25.199 --> 00:04:27.639 and get through school somehow, like I knew how to 70 00:04:27.680 --> 00:04:32.759 tweak the system. But at sixteen years old, I met 71 00:04:32.759 --> 00:04:35.720 a shaman and he got me like sober and celibate 72 00:04:35.959 --> 00:04:39.800 and like really wanted into like a much deeper version 73 00:04:39.879 --> 00:04:44.839 of discovering perception, you know, so like he was super powerful. 74 00:04:45.199 --> 00:04:45.959 You were sixteen. 75 00:04:46.680 --> 00:04:48.759 Yeah, so from the time you were thirteen to the 76 00:04:48.759 --> 00:04:51.639 time you were sixteen, that was a hard three years. 77 00:04:52.399 --> 00:04:56.839 And just to backtrack a bit here, who was your plug? 78 00:04:56.879 --> 00:04:59.480 As far as the LSD was concerned, Most thirteen year 79 00:04:59.480 --> 00:05:05.000 olds do not have access to pure acid. I mean yeah, 80 00:05:05.000 --> 00:05:06.680 but if you do, it might be like for your 81 00:05:06.720 --> 00:05:08.800 own use, you're not going to be like a plug. 82 00:05:09.560 --> 00:05:12.079 So were you You weren't making it yourself? 83 00:05:12.879 --> 00:05:15.480 No, I just was able. I knew people that were 84 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:19.360 you know, had vials and sheets, and it was just 85 00:05:19.920 --> 00:05:22.040 I was just hanging out with an older crowd. Man. 86 00:05:22.160 --> 00:05:25.079 I just I was I got hurt. I got beat up. 87 00:05:25.160 --> 00:05:27.920 People didn't want little kid around hanging out with all 88 00:05:27.959 --> 00:05:31.079 these at these parties. But I had people that were like, no, dude, 89 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:34.279 he's cool. And it was just this whole like thing, 90 00:05:34.439 --> 00:05:37.959 like you know, it was. It wasn't an uh, it 91 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:41.399 was my nervous system was very dysregulated. I was always 92 00:05:41.439 --> 00:05:46.319 constantly on the edge. But at the same time, I, 93 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:49.240 you know, on some level, I wouldn't change it at all. 94 00:05:49.519 --> 00:05:53.399 Like it kind of pulled me out of hypnosis at 95 00:05:53.399 --> 00:05:56.279 a young age, and I could see through a lot 96 00:05:56.319 --> 00:05:59.240 of the bullshit early on because of it. I hung 97 00:05:59.240 --> 00:06:04.959 out with release I kick people, functional schizophrenics, I should say, 98 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:09.120 there you go, you know, yeah, just like really dynamic, 99 00:06:09.240 --> 00:06:12.079 intense people that you know, and I helped people. I 100 00:06:12.759 --> 00:06:15.920 would I would babysit schizophrenic people and keep them out 101 00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:18.839 of jail or prison, and they would keep me entertained. 102 00:06:19.439 --> 00:06:22.279 And that was like this unspoken fucking deal that I 103 00:06:22.360 --> 00:06:25.480 knew how to get through each night without getting arrested. 104 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:29.000 I just had that intuition to me. And I was 105 00:06:29.040 --> 00:06:31.600 really into the like the more spiritual side of the 106 00:06:31.639 --> 00:06:35.160 medicine rather than the like party side of it. And 107 00:06:35.199 --> 00:06:38.040 I was really good at saying no to like cocaine, 108 00:06:38.199 --> 00:06:41.920 and like, I was just really good at understanding what 109 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:43.879 was going to work and what was going to just 110 00:06:44.240 --> 00:06:47.199 destroy us, you know, And like so I just had 111 00:06:47.240 --> 00:06:50.839 that discernment at a young age, and I just was. 112 00:06:51.120 --> 00:06:53.319 But but at sixteen, you know, to walk away from 113 00:06:53.399 --> 00:06:56.000 all of it and go really into the woods and 114 00:06:56.079 --> 00:06:59.959 just train with this dude. It balanced the fact that 115 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:04.360 I partied so hard so early and like reset my system. 116 00:07:04.920 --> 00:07:07.800 So this shaman that you met at sixteen, tell us 117 00:07:07.839 --> 00:07:10.560 about how did you meet him? Where did he come from? 118 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:13.720 Is he still a part of your life today? What's 119 00:07:13.720 --> 00:07:14.399 the story here? 120 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:18.720 I knew about him my whole life almost he was around. 121 00:07:19.680 --> 00:07:22.360 He was not much older than me, like four years older. 122 00:07:22.759 --> 00:07:25.319 Everybody was always like, what's up with that dude? Like 123 00:07:25.399 --> 00:07:28.360 he's not even human, Like there's something different about him. 124 00:07:28.839 --> 00:07:31.040 He was a pro skater at one point and was 125 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:34.600 doing the most insane, reckless shit I've ever seen on 126 00:07:34.639 --> 00:07:38.120 a skateboard, and he was always injured, but he could 127 00:07:38.199 --> 00:07:41.720 heal himself like quickly, like in a tenth of the 128 00:07:41.800 --> 00:07:46.519 time that it should take. He was just really badass 129 00:07:46.600 --> 00:07:49.800 as far as like fearlessness. So the park horseshit that 130 00:07:49.839 --> 00:07:52.720 he taught us in the woods was like next level. 131 00:07:53.079 --> 00:07:55.680 I've still yet to ever see anybody do what he did. 132 00:07:57.360 --> 00:07:59.680 And we were doing it on mushrooms. We were doing it, 133 00:07:59.759 --> 00:08:03.279 you know, like in a way that was really a dynamic. 134 00:08:06.480 --> 00:08:10.120 So you know, he just was a self taught sort 135 00:08:10.120 --> 00:08:14.959 of crazy person that ended up with delusions of grandeur 136 00:08:15.040 --> 00:08:18.399 and so I had to get away from him. But 137 00:08:18.519 --> 00:08:20.720 for a long time, I thought I found the most 138 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:23.360 you know, powerful dude that existed, and I was pretty 139 00:08:23.439 --> 00:08:24.319 high on that. 140 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:29.680 And you know, it's a very enigmatic personality, had the 141 00:08:29.720 --> 00:08:32.879 whole I don't want to say savior complex, but almost 142 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:36.200 like he was untouchable and could do no wrong and 143 00:08:36.480 --> 00:08:37.240 could never be hurt. 144 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:37.480 Yeah. 145 00:08:37.559 --> 00:08:40.039 Yeah, we've heard, we've heard of cult leaders are very similar. 146 00:08:41.519 --> 00:08:44.919 Sounds like a cult leader, Yeah, yeah, no time it 147 00:08:45.759 --> 00:08:48.960 Yeah yeah, And I mean he, you know, probably to 148 00:08:49.039 --> 00:08:52.679 this day, still thinks that it's that's how this place operates. 149 00:08:52.720 --> 00:08:55.720 If you come out of victimhood enough, it's going to 150 00:08:55.759 --> 00:08:57.759 try to the program is going to try to convince 151 00:08:57.799 --> 00:09:00.759 you that you're special and that you're a of others 152 00:09:00.840 --> 00:09:05.320 than your your neo you're the one, you know. So 153 00:09:05.480 --> 00:09:08.159 it's just it's crazy to watch. And I know a 154 00:09:08.200 --> 00:09:12.840 lot of really powerful men that have fallen susceptible to 155 00:09:12.960 --> 00:09:14.159 that program. 156 00:09:14.399 --> 00:09:20.360 Yeah wow, wow, And how did you how did you 157 00:09:21.159 --> 00:09:23.159 get to where you are now? Because I was watching 158 00:09:23.200 --> 00:09:24.919 some of your I was just kind of going through 159 00:09:24.919 --> 00:09:27.200 some of the clips that you had, just kind of 160 00:09:27.240 --> 00:09:30.679 touching base and stuff, and how did you get into 161 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:32.759 this line of work that you're in now, and like 162 00:09:32.879 --> 00:09:35.679 how did you become a part of any of this stuff? 163 00:09:36.240 --> 00:09:40.440 And shifting from that kind of intense childhood into meeting 164 00:09:40.440 --> 00:09:44.600 this shaman type guy and then getting away from that 165 00:09:44.679 --> 00:09:48.279 person and kind of finding yourself and still believing, like 166 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:51.600 and still seeing through the veil pretty much totally. 167 00:09:51.679 --> 00:09:54.399 Yeah, you know so, I mean when I met that 168 00:09:54.600 --> 00:10:00.559 shaman at sixteen, the whole base of of what we 169 00:10:00.559 --> 00:10:04.879 were learning was based on Carlos Costanedo books, and so 170 00:10:04.919 --> 00:10:09.360 we were reading those books and kind of, you know, 171 00:10:09.600 --> 00:10:11.919 like to the point that it was like an obsession. 172 00:10:12.039 --> 00:10:17.080 We were really invested in understanding them. And they're really powerful. 173 00:10:18.360 --> 00:10:21.120 Whether they're made up or not. You know, I don't 174 00:10:21.159 --> 00:10:24.440 believe they are. I went on to train with many 175 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:27.639 shamans throughout my life, and many the real ones have 176 00:10:27.759 --> 00:10:31.320 told me that Carlos and Don Juan and all those 177 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:34.960 people involved in those books are the real deal and 178 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:39.720 that they really did exist. But those books are enough 179 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:42.159 you don't even need a teacher. If you understand how 180 00:10:42.200 --> 00:10:45.840 potent those books are. And so I was constantly going 181 00:10:45.919 --> 00:10:50.320 and trying to find teachers that could that could handle 182 00:10:50.399 --> 00:10:55.360 the questions that I had based on those books. And 183 00:10:56.120 --> 00:10:59.919 there's also some female authors named Taysha Avalar and Florida 184 00:11:00.039 --> 00:11:04.799 on her Crow. There's a lot of hate on them, 185 00:11:04.840 --> 00:11:09.720 like a lot of bullshit and lies. And I can 186 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:14.120 debate anybody and kind of expose them for not doing 187 00:11:14.159 --> 00:11:17.960 the research, because people don't. They just jump on bandwagons 188 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:22.120 and they attack things that they don't understand. But I'm 189 00:11:22.159 --> 00:11:26.840 not saying Carlos was a perfect human. But people try 190 00:11:26.879 --> 00:11:29.960 to say that he made everything up, but it's not possible. 191 00:11:30.840 --> 00:11:33.879 It's a whole system of knowledge that he shared with 192 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:37.399 the world. It's been ancient and many people I know 193 00:11:37.480 --> 00:11:38.919 are very much associated. 194 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:40.679 So that was my next question. 195 00:11:40.759 --> 00:11:42.200 So I looked him up just now, and I was 196 00:11:42.240 --> 00:11:44.759 unfamiliar with the name whenever you first brought him up. 197 00:11:45.240 --> 00:11:47.879 And from what I could sell in the nineteen sixties, 198 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:51.279 he basically got a collection of books. He released a 199 00:11:51.320 --> 00:11:56.519 series talking about diving into shamanism, and I mean, even 200 00:11:56.559 --> 00:11:58.360 if that's true, and he was going off of more 201 00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:02.639 ancient sources, right, and I don't know. You tell me. 202 00:12:02.720 --> 00:12:04.279 Is he the type of person that says he like 203 00:12:04.360 --> 00:12:06.399 caught a download, wrote it down and here it is. 204 00:12:06.559 --> 00:12:08.080 Or is he the type of person that did a 205 00:12:08.120 --> 00:12:11.039 lot of research into the ancient shamanic practices and he 206 00:12:11.120 --> 00:12:13.320 was trying to write that down in a more modern way. 207 00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:16.440 In the nineteen sixties, he was given. 208 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:18.720 A research grant to go out and learn about peyote, 209 00:12:19.600 --> 00:12:23.240 and he encountered. He asked his friend to find him 210 00:12:23.240 --> 00:12:27.440 a real shaman. And then when he finally was introduced 211 00:12:27.480 --> 00:12:30.759 to that shaman, that shaman pulled him out of anthropology 212 00:12:30.840 --> 00:12:34.879 and pulled him into an actual apprenticeship. Gotcha, So he 213 00:12:34.960 --> 00:12:37.440 came out of being the student and he became a 214 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:41.039 practitioner of a very powerful system of knowledge that exists 215 00:12:41.080 --> 00:12:45.000 to this day. But it's so powerful and it sounds 216 00:12:45.080 --> 00:12:51.039 so crazy and outlandish that people assume it's fiction, but 217 00:12:51.080 --> 00:12:54.759 it's not. And so it's just a matter of reading 218 00:12:54.799 --> 00:12:59.600 the books understanding. You know, I think Carlos was a trickster. 219 00:13:00.440 --> 00:13:03.360 So there's things in those books that aren't necessarily accurate 220 00:13:03.399 --> 00:13:06.080 because he's fucking with us to see if we can 221 00:13:06.080 --> 00:13:11.200 tell the difference between deception and reality. But that's just 222 00:13:11.240 --> 00:13:13.960 the kind of dude he was. He lost his ego. 223 00:13:14.159 --> 00:13:17.759 He was super liberated and was just like super amazing. 224 00:13:18.480 --> 00:13:21.080 And all of the students of his that are truly 225 00:13:21.240 --> 00:13:24.320 sat with him for a period of time are really powerful. 226 00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:28.240 And then Don Juan, his teacher, taught many other students 227 00:13:28.279 --> 00:13:33.039 that I'm directly training with to this day that are 228 00:13:33.080 --> 00:13:37.200 just on such another worldly you know, I'm open to 229 00:13:37.240 --> 00:13:39.240 the idea they're all cia MK. 230 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:42.519 Ultras who knows. 231 00:13:42.799 --> 00:13:47.000 I don't know, like super soldiers and shit like who knows, 232 00:13:47.200 --> 00:13:51.480 but they're all so powerful and I'm powerful, so I 233 00:13:51.559 --> 00:13:54.120 know these people are way more powerful than I am. 234 00:13:54.200 --> 00:14:00.000 So whatever training they got, it's legit, and we really are. 235 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:02.559 It really is simple. If you can stay in silence, 236 00:14:03.480 --> 00:14:07.519 you don't need any drugs. You can just stop your thoughts. 237 00:14:08.039 --> 00:14:11.000 This world that we think is physical, it just goes away, 238 00:14:11.559 --> 00:14:15.080 and there's other dimensions that just present themselves and you 239 00:14:15.120 --> 00:14:17.320 can go from one layer to the onion into other 240 00:14:17.399 --> 00:14:20.840 layers and other layers, but you'll have to not talk 241 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:25.440 to yourself at all. You have to be fucking focused 242 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:29.919 through gazing. So like once the fractals separate and everything 243 00:14:29.960 --> 00:14:35.120 starts moving, you stay so tranced out on watching it 244 00:14:35.240 --> 00:14:39.600 move that you can't possibly entertain thoughts, and you move 245 00:14:39.639 --> 00:14:43.480 into totality of your feeling, and then you know, you 246 00:14:43.639 --> 00:14:47.360 learn to handle the intensity for longer periods of time, 247 00:14:47.519 --> 00:14:51.879 over decades, and eventually in our elder years, we'll be 248 00:14:51.919 --> 00:14:58.120 able to enter and traverse these other layers completely as 249 00:14:58.120 --> 00:15:00.960 long as we don't lose our marvels. That's the danger. 250 00:15:02.200 --> 00:15:05.320 So we're talking doing this without any type of for 251 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:08.919 lack of better words, illicit substance, darking, completely sober, and 252 00:15:08.960 --> 00:15:10.840 we are talking about deep deep meditation. 253 00:15:12.039 --> 00:15:12.720 Yeah, he doesn't. 254 00:15:12.759 --> 00:15:16.240 You don't partake in any drugs any longer, at least 255 00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:18.639 that's what I think I got from your Instagram. 256 00:15:18.679 --> 00:15:22.120 Correct, I mean, no, that's not true. I do both, 257 00:15:22.279 --> 00:15:25.919 Like I take long periods of time without anything, but 258 00:15:26.720 --> 00:15:30.240 I'm also like really like the Songomos in South Africa, 259 00:15:30.320 --> 00:15:33.639 the way they train their perception is alcohol on cannabis 260 00:15:33.679 --> 00:15:37.600 and large amounts, and you dance and dance and dance 261 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:41.960 and dance, and you keep combibing, and you move beyond 262 00:15:42.039 --> 00:15:46.919 the substance. You become capable of handling any amount because 263 00:15:46.919 --> 00:15:51.159 you're not caught in the physical and that's one of 264 00:15:51.240 --> 00:15:53.679 their ways they train you. And then alcohol is like 265 00:15:53.720 --> 00:15:56.639 a truth serum, you know, so like if you can 266 00:15:56.720 --> 00:16:00.759 learn to handle it. I'm not suggest seen other people 267 00:16:00.799 --> 00:16:03.399 do this. In fact, my teacher told me don't tell 268 00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:05.799 people what you do because they'll think they can do it. 269 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:09.279 So I'm not planning on doing this. 270 00:16:11.519 --> 00:16:15.360 But like, once you understand the power of mushrooms, alcohol, cannabis, 271 00:16:16.679 --> 00:16:19.240 you know, I think LSD is dangerous because it's just 272 00:16:19.559 --> 00:16:23.200 it's just Fritz is your system. It's not natural. But 273 00:16:23.240 --> 00:16:27.919 I think I think things that are more I don't know. 274 00:16:27.919 --> 00:16:30.519 I just each to their own, you know. But I 275 00:16:30.559 --> 00:16:33.759 don't work with MDMA or cocaine. Those ones are really 276 00:16:33.960 --> 00:16:37.399 hard on the memory system. Sure, and so toll TeX's 277 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:40.480 are really focused on memory as a means to reclaim 278 00:16:40.519 --> 00:16:44.720 your youth. But yeah, I dabble and then I get 279 00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:47.559 out and I take long breaks. I get higher when 280 00:16:47.600 --> 00:16:51.120 i'm sober than i am when i'm partying hard, wow, 281 00:16:52.120 --> 00:16:56.240 because I've already unlocked the secret of the perception. And 282 00:16:56.279 --> 00:16:59.320 in a way, when I'm partying, it's more like as 283 00:16:59.360 --> 00:17:03.639 a way to a void the intensity of sobriety because 284 00:17:03.679 --> 00:17:07.160 I go too far in my dream time. I can't 285 00:17:07.200 --> 00:17:10.200 handle the intensity. It feels like I'm falling off a 286 00:17:10.240 --> 00:17:14.599 cliff all the time in my dreams. So like I'm 287 00:17:14.680 --> 00:17:18.000 kind of in a I'm kind of in a tricky situation. 288 00:17:18.160 --> 00:17:19.200 I don't know what to do. 289 00:17:19.880 --> 00:17:22.759 Okay, So how do you feel about DMT, Because as 290 00:17:22.759 --> 00:17:24.599 we're talking about the dream satan, we're talking about the 291 00:17:24.599 --> 00:17:26.480 substances that you do kind of dabble in. 292 00:17:27.000 --> 00:17:28.680 What is your take on d MT. 293 00:17:30.319 --> 00:17:32.839 I didn't like the flavor or the taste, like I 294 00:17:32.960 --> 00:17:35.440 just kind of like hit it, and some my body 295 00:17:35.519 --> 00:17:36.599 kind of rejected it. 296 00:17:36.680 --> 00:17:37.759 So interesting. 297 00:17:38.279 --> 00:17:40.880 I enjoyed the feeling for a moment, but I didn't. 298 00:17:40.920 --> 00:17:44.920 I didn't blast off. But I'm not opposed to it. 299 00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:47.640 I think Peyote is going to be my my one, 300 00:17:47.960 --> 00:17:51.240 you know, like I'm really looking forward to that one, 301 00:17:51.480 --> 00:17:54.960 and but I feel like there might be a time 302 00:17:55.000 --> 00:17:57.839 and a place for d MT just because of how profound. 303 00:17:58.480 --> 00:18:00.839 But I think Buffo probably, like if I can get 304 00:18:00.839 --> 00:18:04.599 your direct frog stuff, I think that's where I'll go. 305 00:18:05.039 --> 00:18:07.359 But I say, ayahuasca and buffo that seems to be 306 00:18:07.400 --> 00:18:09.680 the big things that people are all about these days. 307 00:18:09.680 --> 00:18:11.359 We had one of our cult members just going to 308 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:14.359 ayahuasca retreat I don't think I've ever met somebody who 309 00:18:14.440 --> 00:18:17.519 went on one of those retreats that had a negative earth. 310 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:20.200 I don't want to say that, because even still, some 311 00:18:20.240 --> 00:18:21.640 of the people that I know that went on and 312 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:26.039 had a relatively negative experience came out better for it 313 00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:28.640 at the other side of it, because it was more 314 00:18:28.759 --> 00:18:31.079 or less forcing them to look into the mirror at 315 00:18:31.119 --> 00:18:34.200 the uglier parts of who they once were. A lot 316 00:18:34.200 --> 00:18:36.960 of my buddies that came back from war with PTSD. 317 00:18:37.839 --> 00:18:40.519 Raven Lee and I are both Marine Corps veterans, and 318 00:18:40.559 --> 00:18:43.160 we know a lot of people with different types of PTSD. 319 00:18:43.279 --> 00:18:45.519 Some of it's combat related, some of it's experience related 320 00:18:45.920 --> 00:18:49.559 to all levels and colors and types. Here a lot 321 00:18:49.559 --> 00:18:53.559 of people use these ayahuasca and Buffo retreats and these 322 00:18:53.599 --> 00:18:56.440 these shamanistic walks for like a week at a time 323 00:18:57.000 --> 00:18:59.400 as a way to try to help combat the PTSD. 324 00:18:59.839 --> 00:19:01.640 The majority of the people that I know that went 325 00:19:01.680 --> 00:19:04.200 on these retreats came back, I don't want to say 326 00:19:04.240 --> 00:19:07.240 fully healed, but they seemed a lot more at peace 327 00:19:07.319 --> 00:19:09.400 and ready to like move on and grow to the 328 00:19:09.440 --> 00:19:12.359 next step of their lives. There is a small portion 329 00:19:12.640 --> 00:19:16.240 of people that had relatively negative experiences, and it was 330 00:19:16.559 --> 00:19:20.519 more or less these substances forced them to relook at 331 00:19:20.559 --> 00:19:23.319 the negative parts of why they have the PTSD and 332 00:19:23.799 --> 00:19:28.039 re examine and reexperience a lot of it. However, a 333 00:19:28.119 --> 00:19:31.880 week or two a month after the retreats, they finally 334 00:19:31.960 --> 00:19:34.599 were able to like put the piece together and realize, oh, 335 00:19:34.720 --> 00:19:37.119 this is what I'm supposed to do now, Like this 336 00:19:37.160 --> 00:19:39.279 is how I'm supposed to go through that, and it is. 337 00:19:39.759 --> 00:19:42.839 I don't think I've ever met somebody who didn't recommend. 338 00:19:42.880 --> 00:19:44.759 If somebody is trying to deal with some sort of 339 00:19:44.799 --> 00:19:48.240 an internal trauma, these retreats apparently are the way. 340 00:19:48.640 --> 00:19:49.160 I don't know. 341 00:19:50.519 --> 00:19:55.440 I went to a long time ago. 342 00:19:55.759 --> 00:19:58.880 I went with some friends of mine to California, and 343 00:19:59.400 --> 00:20:02.160 I sat with Shaman's there and I watched all the 344 00:20:02.200 --> 00:20:06.160 people experience different types of trips and stuff, and they 345 00:20:06.200 --> 00:20:09.359 were experiencing different things and we kind of sat and talked, 346 00:20:09.400 --> 00:20:11.480 and they told me at the time, they were like, 347 00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:14.319 there's just you're just not in a position where you 348 00:20:14.319 --> 00:20:17.359 should be doing this, like mentally and spiritually, and that 349 00:20:17.720 --> 00:20:20.319 this would not be a positive for you. And I've 350 00:20:20.319 --> 00:20:23.319 never actually done it because I've when I sat with them, 351 00:20:23.400 --> 00:20:27.400 they were they were very insistent that this is not 352 00:20:27.559 --> 00:20:29.920 something that like I just have a tough time, Like 353 00:20:29.960 --> 00:20:33.680 I can't even meditate. I'm terrible meditation because I can't 354 00:20:33.680 --> 00:20:36.240 sit in the silence. It drives me crazy. I don't 355 00:20:36.240 --> 00:20:39.680 know how to like shut my brain off. I've taken 356 00:20:39.759 --> 00:20:43.759 tons of different spiritual things, like throughout Oregon and Washington, 357 00:20:44.240 --> 00:20:46.720 and I enjoy being around it, and I love watching 358 00:20:46.759 --> 00:20:50.200 other people do it. I just can't seem to let 359 00:20:50.319 --> 00:20:54.440 go of I guess the physical and move on to 360 00:20:54.519 --> 00:20:57.000 the next step. It's it's like I'm stuck when I 361 00:20:57.039 --> 00:20:58.759 watch everyone else do it, and I'm like, well, I 362 00:20:58.759 --> 00:21:00.920 mean that's really cool, but I don't know how to 363 00:21:01.000 --> 00:21:03.000 get past that point for myself. 364 00:21:03.440 --> 00:21:07.359 Well, well that's why. Like so in the books, Carlos 365 00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:13.319 Constanta was only one of many other apprentices, and he 366 00:21:14.279 --> 00:21:19.359 was his assemblage point, or his perceptual mechanism was very 367 00:21:19.400 --> 00:21:23.359 fixed and it couldn't move very easily. And so Don 368 00:21:23.440 --> 00:21:27.279 Juan he didn't He didn't do this with every apprentice 369 00:21:27.279 --> 00:21:30.119 of his, but he did it with Carlos. He gave 370 00:21:30.160 --> 00:21:34.480 him a lot of fucking powerful medicine because he was 371 00:21:34.599 --> 00:21:37.759 not able to get silent, and so he forced him. 372 00:21:38.799 --> 00:21:41.200 You know, the medicine will force you if you take 373 00:21:41.359 --> 00:21:44.799 enough in the right kind. It'll force you to use 374 00:21:44.839 --> 00:21:48.200 your senses in a way that takes you out of 375 00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:52.359 the mind into your body. But it's dangerous, and so 376 00:21:52.759 --> 00:21:55.759 it's good that they didn't try to push you if 377 00:21:55.799 --> 00:21:58.559 you weren't ready, And that's a good indication that there 378 00:21:58.559 --> 00:22:01.920 are safe shaman's out there that are paying attention because 379 00:22:01.960 --> 00:22:06.200 timing is everything and you don't need to you know, 380 00:22:06.279 --> 00:22:10.240 like your your purpose may not be to traverse perception 381 00:22:10.480 --> 00:22:14.680 like mine. It may be to like be just a calm, 382 00:22:15.160 --> 00:22:19.640 capable functional mentor to people that need common sense and 383 00:22:19.960 --> 00:22:23.400 practical advice, like each of us has a different gift. 384 00:22:24.400 --> 00:22:27.599 But we are going to face the intensity of perception 385 00:22:27.759 --> 00:22:31.400 when we die. And that's why there might be a 386 00:22:31.440 --> 00:22:36.000 massive resistance within you is because it represents death. So 387 00:22:36.039 --> 00:22:39.240 it might be like a you know, like it's just. 388 00:22:39.200 --> 00:22:45.759 To to it just you're so, I'm terrified of death. Actually, yeah, see, 389 00:22:46.240 --> 00:22:48.680 very terrified of it. I've had a few near death 390 00:22:48.799 --> 00:22:54.359 experiences and they've altered Actually the one I think honestly 391 00:22:55.240 --> 00:22:59.799 physically altered my mental state as well, and like chemically 392 00:22:59.839 --> 00:23:03.480 all altered me. And it's definitely been a very long 393 00:23:03.799 --> 00:23:07.240 hard road for I would say almost eight years now 394 00:23:07.720 --> 00:23:12.599 trying to deal with the I didn't I survived it, 395 00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:17.200 but mentally it's like something triggered in my brain that 396 00:23:17.359 --> 00:23:19.720 hasn't been able to go back, and I you know, 397 00:23:19.759 --> 00:23:21.160 it's one of those things of. 398 00:23:22.839 --> 00:23:26.400 Trying to find a way through it has been very challenging. 399 00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:30.440 So yeah, well, well, I mean I do free consoles. 400 00:23:30.480 --> 00:23:32.599 We can talk and I can I can offer some 401 00:23:32.680 --> 00:23:38.240 simple solutions that will eventually help. Yeah, your nervous system 402 00:23:38.359 --> 00:23:42.640 is just very disregulated because of the right the PTSD, 403 00:23:43.480 --> 00:23:47.559 and they're there, you know there there's an emotional root 404 00:23:47.720 --> 00:23:52.240 cause issue that occurs with every single person because this 405 00:23:52.279 --> 00:23:58.319 isn't actually a physical place, so everything's energetic, everything has 406 00:23:58.400 --> 00:24:03.319 a subconscious core, and once you understand where it's all 407 00:24:04.200 --> 00:24:09.880 coming from, then you can actually you know, you understand 408 00:24:09.920 --> 00:24:11.839 how to work with it. But it can take time. 409 00:24:11.960 --> 00:24:15.440 And so you're not doing anything wrong, You're just in 410 00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:19.319 the process of discovering, you know, what's possible. 411 00:24:19.759 --> 00:24:23.640 Heard that so your guy Carlos that you were really 412 00:24:23.680 --> 00:24:26.160 trying to dive into all these books you mentioned a 413 00:24:26.200 --> 00:24:30.359 couple of names. Also, have you in your line of 414 00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:34.599 work have you looked into more ancient sources at the 415 00:24:34.640 --> 00:24:38.279 source themselves rather than getting a more modern interpretation of 416 00:24:38.319 --> 00:24:39.720 the ancient sources. 417 00:24:41.079 --> 00:24:44.359 I mean, I found powerful shamans to train with that 418 00:24:44.519 --> 00:24:48.319 didn't write their knowledge down, but were it was an 419 00:24:48.440 --> 00:24:53.319 oral tradition and I really wicked, powerful energetic beings that 420 00:24:54.160 --> 00:24:58.039 you know taught me for many years. And so I've 421 00:24:58.119 --> 00:25:01.880 validated a lot of this stuff through by by interacting 422 00:25:01.920 --> 00:25:07.960 with so many different people all over the world. I 423 00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:14.200 don't put a lot of attention into research the way 424 00:25:14.240 --> 00:25:21.839 other people do. I trust myself to to prioritize things. 425 00:25:22.920 --> 00:25:26.279 But you know, Credo Mutois, who David I trained with 426 00:25:27.039 --> 00:25:33.119 or learned from, was my teacher's close companion. They lived, 427 00:25:33.160 --> 00:25:35.960 they spent time in South Africa together, and my elder 428 00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:39.960 was on the news in South Africa with Creto talking 429 00:25:39.960 --> 00:25:45.400 about Southernandia the plant medicine that they were using out 430 00:25:45.440 --> 00:25:48.640 there for to try to treat HIV and AIDS. 431 00:25:48.680 --> 00:25:50.640 But did they have any success with that? 432 00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:56.799 Well? No, because the whole germ theory thing is bullshit, right. 433 00:25:56.839 --> 00:26:00.680 Everything everything I've been told about how things work. It's 434 00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:05.319 all emotional, root cause based, and so then they convince 435 00:26:05.400 --> 00:26:09.039 you that if your your immune system is at a 436 00:26:09.079 --> 00:26:11.480 certain point, then they try to tell like I had 437 00:26:11.480 --> 00:26:14.000 a friend be told that he had a HIV in 438 00:26:14.039 --> 00:26:16.200 a hospital because they didn't they don't know what the 439 00:26:16.200 --> 00:26:20.519 fuck they're measuring. He didn't have that at all. It 440 00:26:20.640 --> 00:26:24.039 all has to do with PC hard tests, which got 441 00:26:24.079 --> 00:26:28.839 exposed in COVID. It's all bullshit. Everything we've been told 442 00:26:29.119 --> 00:26:35.839 is just all syops. We are not germs are not 443 00:26:36.079 --> 00:26:38.519 what we are told at all. It has to do 444 00:26:38.599 --> 00:26:43.079 with your power and so with you. It has nothing 445 00:26:43.079 --> 00:26:46.680 to do with anything outside of you. There might be. 446 00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:52.119 Evolution that that has heard about this. I have a 447 00:26:52.119 --> 00:26:55.960 friend that went really hard into this. Actually that there's 448 00:26:56.160 --> 00:27:01.359 an entire book in like multiple books showing that pretty 449 00:27:01.400 --> 00:27:04.480 much anything that's an element or something that's going on 450 00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:07.119 with you can we trace back into your root cause 451 00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:11.799 of like it's internal. Like if you're having like say 452 00:27:11.839 --> 00:27:14.559 you have a you know, severe stomach ache and you're 453 00:27:14.759 --> 00:27:17.640 not having sleep and you're having all of these symptoms 454 00:27:17.680 --> 00:27:20.480 that could potentially be something even worse, it's actually due 455 00:27:20.519 --> 00:27:23.920 to you know, you're you're pretty much your flatter fights 456 00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:27.720 kicked in. You're having a dysregularity of corsol and things 457 00:27:27.720 --> 00:27:28.039 like that. 458 00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:30.119 Is that kind of what you're talking about. 459 00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:33.799 Yeah, so our nervous system, what if it's not regulated 460 00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:37.559 and if you're I'm not saying that we don't get sick, 461 00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:41.400 but if you're in the presence of someone that's detoxing 462 00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:44.400 and it has mucus coming out their nose and they're 463 00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:48.559 all this shit's happening, and your body also needs to detox, 464 00:27:49.160 --> 00:27:52.000 and the fact you're in resonance next to them, it's 465 00:27:52.039 --> 00:27:55.079 going to make your body be like, oh, yeah, I 466 00:27:55.119 --> 00:27:59.119 need I need to purge this stuff as well. So 467 00:27:59.160 --> 00:28:02.599 it looks like there's a virus spreading. But detoxine is 468 00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:07.680 good for us. We need to detox our bodies. That's 469 00:28:07.720 --> 00:28:11.599 important when you are young, like a little baby, or 470 00:28:11.599 --> 00:28:14.720 when you're old. Detox scene is dangerous. It can kill 471 00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:20.240 you if you don't know how to navigate the detox right. 472 00:28:20.319 --> 00:28:23.039 Like people tell you to eat like crackers and drink 473 00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:27.240 seven up because the salt and the sugar. But if 474 00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:30.559 you were to just take electrolytes, you know, then you 475 00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:35.279 wouldn't be poisoning yourself with seven up and saltines because 476 00:28:35.319 --> 00:28:38.599 those are bound, like everything's poisoned in this place. 477 00:28:40.279 --> 00:28:44.720 Right, So sorry, do you do you do you have 478 00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:47.759 like a specific kind of way that you eat, or 479 00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:50.839 like certain herbs that you take or kind of things 480 00:28:50.839 --> 00:28:52.599 like that, like follow herbology. 481 00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:57.680 Well, I don't get sick because I'm carnivore. Oh right, 482 00:28:57.720 --> 00:29:00.799 so no, right, Like no, there's there's no reason to 483 00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:06.359 detox because I'm constantly detoxing. Like when you're in carnivore diet, 484 00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:10.400 it's an elimination diet. It's just simple. You're just only 485 00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:13.319 taking the best fuel that is available and putting it 486 00:29:13.359 --> 00:29:19.279 in your system. So beef, lamb eggs, water, salt. 487 00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:21.279 How long you've been doing carnivore? 488 00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:23.920 Almost two years? 489 00:29:24.200 --> 00:29:27.000 Helly two years consecutively. And I mean I'm sure you 490 00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:30.559 might every now and then occasionally have like a piece 491 00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:32.640 of cake or something like the rare occasion. 492 00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:33.160 I don't. 493 00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:34.960 I don't really, so yeah. 494 00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:38.440 I don't. I'll drink red wine though, and that slows 495 00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:42.319 the whole detox down. You know, I'll have tequila, but 496 00:29:43.920 --> 00:29:49.000 it doesn't cause me to gain like weight, where like 497 00:29:49.079 --> 00:29:53.039 if I eat like dairy other than butter, like I'll 498 00:29:53.079 --> 00:29:56.440 start to gain extra fat, like it's really sensitive. So 499 00:29:57.480 --> 00:29:59.319 I just I don't think we're meant to have to 500 00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:02.359 work out in order to stay in shape. And I 501 00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:04.799 think if there's a diet that keeps you in shape 502 00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:09.119 without having to do extra effort, that makes more sense, 503 00:30:09.200 --> 00:30:11.839 Like it wouldn't. It's more natural, and that's I think. 504 00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:14.400 We just for hundreds of thousands of years, we were 505 00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:19.759 nomadic and we were living off of large game and berries. 506 00:30:19.880 --> 00:30:24.319 So I'll eat some berries as well to slow the 507 00:30:24.400 --> 00:30:32.039 detox down because berries have oxalates or oxalate acids. When 508 00:30:32.039 --> 00:30:35.400 you get on carnivore diet, your body purges a lot 509 00:30:35.519 --> 00:30:40.559 of stuff that it's accumulated in your bones, and then 510 00:30:40.599 --> 00:30:44.680 you start to have much more energy. I tried. I've 511 00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:48.240 tried everything, just living off fruit. I've tried living off 512 00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:52.160 you know, all different kinds of like extreme diets. This 513 00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:57.359 one is like super simple because you can't overeat steak. 514 00:30:58.119 --> 00:31:00.400 Once you're done eating steak, it's not like you can, 515 00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:04.440 so I don't experience inflammation or the feeling of being full. 516 00:31:05.200 --> 00:31:08.240 I just feel energized. 517 00:31:09.039 --> 00:31:12.680 I did it for like three four months, four months. 518 00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:17.440 I think I made it. The purge was rough. 519 00:31:17.759 --> 00:31:21.400 I'll say that the first month and a half two months, 520 00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:27.720 I definitely felt terrible. But I also I didn't drink 521 00:31:27.759 --> 00:31:32.160 coffee actually for about a decade, and I just started 522 00:31:32.200 --> 00:31:35.480 real drinking like this last year. But I have always 523 00:31:35.480 --> 00:31:38.279 said when I got off of coffee in the first 524 00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:41.440 like three years or three months, once I got through that, 525 00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:43.720 then I had way more energy than I ever did 526 00:31:43.839 --> 00:31:46.920 drinking coffee. And I felt the same way once I 527 00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:49.680 was on connover. The only reason I couldn't continue is 528 00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:52.759 because of finances, and it's it's hard when you have 529 00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:57.559 multiple people to pay for and stuff, and so I 530 00:31:57.640 --> 00:31:59.400 really enjoyed it though once I. 531 00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:01.319 Actually got through, I felt so much better. 532 00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:04.319 One of my good friends actually, she has been doing 533 00:32:04.359 --> 00:32:07.119 it for probably two or three years now and she 534 00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:10.440 is in fantastic shape. I don't think she ever gets sick, 535 00:32:10.599 --> 00:32:14.920 like she feels amazing. She looks amazing. So I mean, 536 00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:18.160 I personally think there's a lot of benefits to it. 537 00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:22.160 It works. I have a friend that had full organ failure, 538 00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:28.160 like he was dying and he was on mushrooms and 539 00:32:28.279 --> 00:32:31.559 something pinned him down to the ground and said, you 540 00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:35.839 can only eat beef for Lamb. Yeah, no, he'd never 541 00:32:35.960 --> 00:32:40.079 heard about this carnivore diet. He was just on mushrooms 542 00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:42.799 and had a voice come in and tell him what 543 00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:48.000 to do, and like he's so alive and so healthy 544 00:32:48.279 --> 00:32:52.160 and has like reversed all of his It's an amazing 545 00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:56.279 story and it really actually was what inspired me, you know. 546 00:32:56.400 --> 00:32:59.720 But it's actually easier for him to be carnivore than 547 00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:02.599 it is for me because he doesn't have a choice. 548 00:33:02.839 --> 00:33:04.880 Right, Yeah, that makes sense. 549 00:33:06.359 --> 00:33:08.519 It's hard when it when you try to detox off 550 00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:11.200 of like specific stuff like down here we got Keen 551 00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:14.839 cakes or Marty grass season, and those are tough to 552 00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:15.519 give up. Man. 553 00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:19.519 I'll say that it's uh. I enjoy though. 554 00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:23.319 I enjoy growing my own food, uh in the sense 555 00:33:23.319 --> 00:33:24.319 of like a garden. 556 00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:25.160 So I did. 557 00:33:25.519 --> 00:33:28.400 I did implement things that I was able to grow, 558 00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:31.759 but not a ton of it. But it's still I 559 00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:33.839 when I juice, because I actually like to juice a 560 00:33:33.880 --> 00:33:37.359 lot too, and that helps when you start to juice 561 00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:41.440 in detox, at least for me, my body within him. 562 00:33:41.799 --> 00:33:44.920 With two three weeks, I feel like a brand new person. 563 00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:47.119 So I think there's a lot to it when it 564 00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:52.039 comes to the gut, brain health, and also your nervous 565 00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:54.839 system plays such a heavy part in how you function 566 00:33:54.920 --> 00:33:58.599 as a person. And what drew me to actually reaching 567 00:33:58.599 --> 00:34:00.680 out to you is because of the dream. And we 568 00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:03.039 were talking about dreams the other day, and then I 569 00:34:03.079 --> 00:34:06.480 saw some of your stuff about dreams. And Jacob doesn't 570 00:34:06.519 --> 00:34:09.599 actually hardly ever dream. He dreams like once a year 571 00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:15.719 pretty much, whereas I dream consistently, very vivid dreams. And 572 00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:18.159 so I was curious to see about kind of the 573 00:34:18.159 --> 00:34:20.840 information that you have about dreams and kind of go 574 00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:23.440 into the different types of energy, and I did it 575 00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:26.360 here one of your things. You were talking about sexual 576 00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:29.199 energy and dream energy, how they're interconnected, and I was 577 00:34:29.239 --> 00:34:31.360 curious about, you know, if you could tell us more 578 00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:32.639 about all those things too. 579 00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:37.360 Yeah, I mean, you know, how you were conceived is 580 00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:41.119 actually a real factor as to like how your energetic 581 00:34:41.159 --> 00:34:45.119 blueprint was established. So I have a friend that was 582 00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:49.119 conceived when both parents were on LSD, and so he 583 00:34:49.159 --> 00:34:53.599 has a lot of energy, but it's not been necessarily helpful. 584 00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:57.400 He's got him landed in jail and prison, and it's 585 00:34:57.440 --> 00:35:01.960 been a tough life having extra energy. Right, So some 586 00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:04.519 people have to be celibate at certain points in their 587 00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:10.079 life if they're going to train shamanically, because if you 588 00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:12.719 want to learn how to do a particular type of dreaming, 589 00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:16.719 you want to build that energy up and save it 590 00:35:18.119 --> 00:35:21.679 and learn how to apply it, you know, to being 591 00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:27.239 able to catch yourself as you're drifting off to sleep, 592 00:35:27.320 --> 00:35:31.840 but stay conscious. So I remember falling asleep to watching 593 00:35:31.960 --> 00:35:35.639 like football when I was a kid, and I'd be 594 00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:38.320 like partially in a dream, but I'm still listening to 595 00:35:38.440 --> 00:35:42.920 the game. That in between space is a really sweet spot. 596 00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:46.000 And there's a way to learn how to hang out 597 00:35:46.039 --> 00:35:48.400 in that in between space without going all the way 598 00:35:48.440 --> 00:35:52.760 to sleep or without coming back awake. So that's what 599 00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:53.239 I do. 600 00:35:55.519 --> 00:35:57.400 I know how to be in that spot pretty well. 601 00:35:57.920 --> 00:35:58.199 Cool. 602 00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:01.079 I'm there's like a good i'd say, like. 603 00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:03.920 A fifteen thirty minute window where I'm in that in 604 00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:06.639 between and I kind of just hang out there, and 605 00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:10.719 sometimes I I like decide what kind of dream I'm 606 00:36:10.719 --> 00:36:14.440 going to have, and I like to try to This. 607 00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:15.679 Makes me, you know, it doesn't. 608 00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:21.400 Rest the pillow. And I got a solid sixty seconds 609 00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:23.840 before I am in a coma. I don't know what 610 00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:26.639 a thirty minute you have to like make your mind 611 00:36:26.679 --> 00:36:28.639 up for thirty minutes before you go to sleep. 612 00:36:29.239 --> 00:36:33.239 No, I'm wandering around, so like there's sometimes where I 613 00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:35.400 almost feel like it's a walk about, Like I'm like 614 00:36:35.559 --> 00:36:39.679 wandering in my dream and I'm kind of just exploring 615 00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:45.639 whatever's coming up to me. And sometimes it can be 616 00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:48.599 really dark and I don't want to be in that 617 00:36:48.800 --> 00:36:51.599 space anymore, But then I end up falling like deeper 618 00:36:51.639 --> 00:36:55.559 into sleep. And sometimes I'll remember what I'm dreaming, other 619 00:36:55.639 --> 00:36:57.719 times I won't. Most of the time I do. Or 620 00:36:57.760 --> 00:37:00.159 there's other times where I'm just like hanging out with 621 00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:04.079 people and kind of just seeing other people seeing different 622 00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:06.039 I would say, different worlds. 623 00:37:06.079 --> 00:37:09.400 Honestly, it's it's not this physical plane and. 624 00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:13.199 It's a weird like place to be because it's kind 625 00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:15.440 of like this cool place to hang out. But I 626 00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:18.079 didn't know if that was like a real thing that 627 00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:20.559 other people did. Honestly, I thought that was just a 628 00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:22.880 weird thing that I did. 629 00:37:23.400 --> 00:37:27.480 Oh no, you're you're stuck. I mean you can learn 630 00:37:27.519 --> 00:37:32.400 to stay there and actually form, you know, connections with 631 00:37:32.519 --> 00:37:37.239 interdimensional beings and other worlds, and it's a whole place 632 00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:41.599 to to to play around. All kinds of visions can 633 00:37:41.639 --> 00:37:48.280 come through uh yeah, so like but for told text 634 00:37:48.360 --> 00:37:51.480 for the Costanta books, what you want to do is 635 00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:54.679 realize you're in a like when you all go all 636 00:37:54.679 --> 00:37:59.639 the way asleep, like like where you're boom, you're sleep sleep. 637 00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:04.000 You want to become conscious in your dream and realize 638 00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:08.239 that it's a dream, because when you're dreaming, you think 639 00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:11.320 it's just normal life, and you're responding to the dream 640 00:38:11.400 --> 00:38:15.079 as if like you're in this in this dream that 641 00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:16.480 you and I are in right now. 642 00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:19.079 Mm hmm. I actually do that. 643 00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:21.800 I know I'm in I'm know I dream and I 644 00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:23.400 know I'm in a dream, and I wake up and 645 00:38:23.400 --> 00:38:25.679 I'm like, okay, well I'm dreaming, so I guess. 646 00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:27.519 You know, But I don't know what to do with 647 00:38:27.559 --> 00:38:28.039 that though. 648 00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:31.119 Well in the books they say the first thing is 649 00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:35.800 to look at your hands, okay, and then look around 650 00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:40.719 and try to keep the memory of that, try to 651 00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:44.480 keep the dream intact, because more than likely the dreams 652 00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:49.360 going to shape shift into a totally different scene within seconds. 653 00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:52.920 But if you can pay attention to the scissors on 654 00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:57.320 the table, and then you know the shades of the window, 655 00:38:57.440 --> 00:39:01.840 and then the bookshelf and then the light switch, and 656 00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:06.400 just keep jumping around, you can keep yourself from moving 657 00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:11.960 into the next dream, and that's gaining control over your perception. 658 00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:17.679 Okay, So do you when you're meeting people in that 659 00:39:17.920 --> 00:39:22.719 sweet spot, like interdimensional people and you're having visions, do 660 00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:25.960 you feel like do you accept the visions are real 661 00:39:26.159 --> 00:39:28.679 or do you think that they're a construct of your mind? 662 00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:33.639 Or like, how do you tell the difference between what 663 00:39:33.800 --> 00:39:36.840 is real and what is something that you're just making 664 00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:38.079 up with your own thoughts? 665 00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:38.880 Good question. 666 00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:46.960 You're interacting with non ordinary interdimensional energies and beings that 667 00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:54.079 are trying to trick you. Okay, so it's both you're 668 00:39:54.159 --> 00:39:58.039 being fucked with, You're being tricked, it's an illusion that's 669 00:39:58.079 --> 00:40:01.840 being projected into your field, and yet you're actually interacting 670 00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:07.599 with real creatures that are doing that to test you. Okay, 671 00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:14.480 So your subconscious material is being used whatever your focus 672 00:40:14.599 --> 00:40:18.280 is during your day, Like if you're super stressed out 673 00:40:18.280 --> 00:40:22.760 all the time and in a soap opera mindset, then 674 00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:26.679 your dreams are going to represent that. Or maybe you 675 00:40:26.719 --> 00:40:30.199 have unresolved trauma from high school and you constantly dream 676 00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:31.159 about high school? 677 00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:36.519 What did you dream of, like reincarnation, Like you dream 678 00:40:36.519 --> 00:40:41.400 yourself in another past that feels so real. 679 00:40:41.199 --> 00:40:44.079 That you believe at one point you were that person. 680 00:40:44.920 --> 00:40:50.440 That's real. It's called parallel lives, so they're actually happening simultaneously. 681 00:40:50.519 --> 00:40:55.760 They're not past lives. They're happening now. There is no past, 682 00:40:56.280 --> 00:41:01.719 there is no future. Everything is parallel, but we are 683 00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:06.960 in a linear construct where it seems like everything is 684 00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:12.280 you know, before and after, but it's all happening on 685 00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:14.960 an equal energetic plane. 686 00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:19.239 To what level, Like, are you saying that yesterday yesterday 687 00:41:19.320 --> 00:41:21.559 is in past? You're saying that yesterday is still happening 688 00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:22.239 right now. 689 00:41:23.079 --> 00:41:29.639 Yeah, goa is still happening right So your ability to 690 00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:36.039 retrocausal heal things is your ability to time travel back 691 00:41:36.079 --> 00:41:41.199 into yesterday. If you can place your attention on yesterday, 692 00:41:41.360 --> 00:41:46.159 then you can re experience it, and therefore you can 693 00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:49.639 go back into your childhood and remember being in the womb. 694 00:41:50.920 --> 00:41:54.639 And this is how you become powerful. Is it the 695 00:41:54.920 --> 00:42:00.000 reclaim your energetic essence from every single event that's ever happened? 696 00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:01.559 End mm hmm. 697 00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:06.480 Do you believe in the there's a theory that I 698 00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:08.800 do birth work, and I've been a doula for a 699 00:42:08.840 --> 00:42:12.119 long time, and I did a long read big Retreat 700 00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:14.320 in Brighton Bush. I don't know if you've ever been 701 00:42:14.360 --> 00:42:18.360 there before. Yeah, So I love that place, and so 702 00:42:18.480 --> 00:42:22.000 I went there for my duela training for with actually 703 00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:24.920 a woman that studies out of Seattle. And one of 704 00:42:24.920 --> 00:42:29.280 the concepts that we talked about was the birth trauma 705 00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:31.880 of being born and that we carry. 706 00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:34.760 Residual trauma with us from birth. 707 00:42:35.199 --> 00:42:38.639 And there's been a lot of conversation about when we 708 00:42:39.559 --> 00:42:42.320 as we age, we could try to go back to 709 00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:46.519 that moment and kind of reverse that kind of trauma 710 00:42:46.920 --> 00:42:50.039 through using dreams or different types of meditation and stuff, 711 00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:53.119 because whatever did have happened during that time, you know 712 00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:56.280 a lot of people had four set bursts and scenes 713 00:42:56.320 --> 00:42:58.599 like that when we were young, like I was a 714 00:42:58.599 --> 00:43:03.559 forcet baby too, Jacob was, and that that kind of 715 00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:06.719 trauma to our young body is left an imprint within us. 716 00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:09.400 And so are you kind of like, are you saying 717 00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:10.960 that we could go all the way back to conception 718 00:43:11.119 --> 00:43:15.440 and kind of rework how all of this trans like 719 00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:18.119 sell by cell made us who we are now. 720 00:43:18.920 --> 00:43:25.639 Yeah, everything that's ever happened is affecting us right now, 721 00:43:26.800 --> 00:43:30.960 right our blueprint. The first thing that happened to you 722 00:43:31.239 --> 00:43:34.039 is going to like reverberate throughout the rest of your 723 00:43:34.039 --> 00:43:39.480 life unless you learn how to do what we call 724 00:43:39.519 --> 00:43:42.800 a race personal history. 725 00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:45.000 And the only way to do that, he said, a 726 00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:49.440 raised personal history, a race like an eraser a RaSE. 727 00:43:49.559 --> 00:43:51.440 Okay, erase personal history got you. 728 00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:55.800 Yeah, So like what the recapitulation is what I teach 729 00:43:55.840 --> 00:43:58.760 people how to do. It's a way of breathing your 730 00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:04.440 essence in the filaments you left in that moment. You 731 00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:09.360 left this part of your energetic luminous energy, your your light. 732 00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:13.920 You left your light in that scene, and then you 733 00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:18.119 took on energy that wasn't meant for you to take on. 734 00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:23.119 So you inhale the luminosity that you left, and you 735 00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:26.679 exhale the energy that wasn't yours, and it's just like 736 00:44:26.719 --> 00:44:29.920 it's not personal, it's just your You're just giving back 737 00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:33.039 what somebody else. You know, you just it's just like 738 00:44:33.119 --> 00:44:37.760 cleaning house. We aren't taught to do this because there's 739 00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:40.199 forces that are higher on the food chain that want 740 00:44:40.280 --> 00:44:46.039 us to be scattered and fragmented. So, especially with sexual partners, 741 00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:51.800 if we don't like really clean house after we exit 742 00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:56.159 a relationship, then we're like still like bonded to them. 743 00:44:56.199 --> 00:44:59.079 In a way that isn't helpful. So how do we 744 00:44:59.199 --> 00:45:04.039 like really really fix that, Like it's it takes real work, 745 00:45:05.559 --> 00:45:10.400 and often it happens through some sort of difficult divorce 746 00:45:10.519 --> 00:45:13.119 or whatever, like the story in which it actually happens, 747 00:45:13.119 --> 00:45:15.039 But there's a way to do it more in a 748 00:45:15.079 --> 00:45:18.960 more balanced way. For me, it's more like the cult, 749 00:45:19.679 --> 00:45:21.880 all the cults that I was in. That's where all 750 00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:24.880 the energies trapped for me, because I trained with such 751 00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:28.440 powerful sorcerers and shamans that there was a lot of 752 00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:34.280 bonding that happens, and it's hard to like free yourself 753 00:45:34.280 --> 00:45:38.239 from that bond. So boundaries, we don't have healthy boundaries. 754 00:45:38.280 --> 00:45:42.400 We don't know about energy, we don't understand what it takes. 755 00:45:43.360 --> 00:45:48.519 But dreaming is sort of a reference once you understand 756 00:45:48.559 --> 00:45:51.519 how to use your attention and awareness in the realm 757 00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:55.639 of whether it's night dreaming or day dreaming. Like I'm 758 00:45:55.639 --> 00:45:59.199 more gifted at learning how to have psychedelic experiences during 759 00:45:59.239 --> 00:46:04.639 the day while I'm awake right, Like, I really see 760 00:46:04.679 --> 00:46:08.920 the world differently than most people. I'll like flash my 761 00:46:09.039 --> 00:46:12.320 eyes while I'm walking down the streets of New York 762 00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:15.920 or La. I'm like just seeing the whole world just 763 00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:19.079 fucking vibrate because of the way I weak my perception. 764 00:46:19.960 --> 00:46:23.480 So like meditating in the presence of large bodies of 765 00:46:23.559 --> 00:46:27.199 people is amazing, or I also can do it in 766 00:46:27.320 --> 00:46:30.679 nature alone without anyone there for a long periods of time. 767 00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:35.159 And so the place, this place is psychedelic, the creator 768 00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:40.280 is psychedelic. We just have to like realize that and 769 00:46:40.360 --> 00:46:46.079 not let our blueprint of what created our trauma bond 770 00:46:47.239 --> 00:46:50.880 hijack the rest of our time. So you go back 771 00:46:50.920 --> 00:46:54.320 and you scoop that energy up that you left, but 772 00:46:54.639 --> 00:47:00.920 especially the being in the womb. Circumcision, you know, is 773 00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:04.679 where the first trauma really happens for men. Typically if 774 00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:09.119 they were circumcised, the body like passes out in pain. 775 00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:11.679 They don't drug you. 776 00:47:11.679 --> 00:47:14.360 You know, it's pretty pretty traumatizing. 777 00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:17.760 Yeah, So just to circle back, you say, some of 778 00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:20.480 the cults that you were a part of give us 779 00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:23.000 a rundown on this, because I feel like a lot 780 00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:25.159 of people when they hear that, they're going to have 781 00:47:25.199 --> 00:47:28.679 immediate negative connotations, right, because we hear of so many 782 00:47:28.719 --> 00:47:32.000 cults where things go horribly wrong, and these mass suicide 783 00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:35.800 cults and all these types of things. You were actively 784 00:47:35.840 --> 00:47:37.159 and you knew that it was a cult when you 785 00:47:37.239 --> 00:47:39.360 were getting involved with it, or you found out later, 786 00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:41.519 and that's what kind of led to some of the trauma. 787 00:47:42.119 --> 00:47:43.960 And you say that there's been multiple You've been a 788 00:47:43.960 --> 00:47:45.719 part of break this down for Uce. 789 00:47:46.480 --> 00:47:49.880 Yeah, I mean I, you know, I didn't know and 790 00:47:50.000 --> 00:47:55.280 also didn't know at the same time. Like I knew 791 00:47:55.280 --> 00:47:58.519 that it was preceded as a cult. I sensed it 792 00:47:58.559 --> 00:48:00.880 as a cult, but I also knew that I needed 793 00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:05.480 to be there because a lot of cult leaders are powerful, 794 00:48:06.679 --> 00:48:13.159 they have gifts, they're unique, They you know, can teach 795 00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:18.679 you things that are can be really beneficial. And so 796 00:48:18.840 --> 00:48:22.119 like I like knew I was going in there to 797 00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:24.599 get what I needed, and I was okay with it. 798 00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:28.519 I was okay that people would precede me as a 799 00:48:28.599 --> 00:48:31.719 follower or whatever, because I was in the presence of 800 00:48:31.800 --> 00:48:36.960 people that were really you know, showing me not only 801 00:48:39.039 --> 00:48:43.760 how to use lucid dreaming and that advantageous ways to 802 00:48:44.679 --> 00:48:48.360 gain knowledge, but also they're showing me how not to be. 803 00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:54.079 They're showing me their their shadows side. And I was 804 00:48:54.840 --> 00:48:59.360 listening to a higher guidance that told me to go 805 00:48:59.480 --> 00:49:02.079 in there and to hang out there, and so I'm 806 00:49:02.119 --> 00:49:05.480 really good at breaking colts up. I go in as 807 00:49:05.519 --> 00:49:09.239 a student, and then I gain everyone's trust, and then 808 00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:14.400 I start pulling everyone out as I exit. So I'm 809 00:49:14.440 --> 00:49:18.000 not afraid to like do that even to this day. 810 00:49:18.800 --> 00:49:22.360 So there's lots of cults that exist. There's lots of 811 00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:26.079 tendencies for things to turn culty, even if they don't 812 00:49:26.119 --> 00:49:27.119 start off culty. 813 00:49:27.480 --> 00:49:27.760 Right. 814 00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:33.079 So I've just had a lot of experience with powerful sorcerers, shamans, 815 00:49:34.159 --> 00:49:40.480 medicine women, medicine men, you know, psychics, and everyone has 816 00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:45.280 holes in their consciousness. Everyone. Anyone that claims that they don't, 817 00:49:46.039 --> 00:49:48.320 you know, is insane and full of shit, and you 818 00:49:48.360 --> 00:49:54.480 should run away because they are lying to themselves, you know, 819 00:49:54.519 --> 00:49:58.199 they're claiming to be ascended masters or whatever. It's all bullshit. 820 00:49:58.559 --> 00:50:02.239 I know a few of those. There very interesting human beings. 821 00:50:02.320 --> 00:50:02.679 I'll say. 822 00:50:02.679 --> 00:50:03.400 The least they. 823 00:50:03.920 --> 00:50:08.360 Hold themselves, they hold their own opinion in a very 824 00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:12.000 high regard. And now I'll be as that's as polite 825 00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:16.079 as I could put it. But yeah, so all right, So. 826 00:50:16.719 --> 00:50:20.320 In your opinion, every cult is a negative and inherently 827 00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:21.239 negative thing. 828 00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:27.239 I mean, so the Toltecs look at everything that's happening 829 00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:34.079 as a teaching and so like the most powerful tyrants, 830 00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:38.400 the people that are controlling worlds or realities are a 831 00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:45.960 necessary ingredient for a warrior to develop. Okay, so nothing 832 00:50:46.119 --> 00:50:52.800 is negative. It's all serving as a means for you 833 00:50:53.159 --> 00:50:56.679 to navigate an obstacle course. And that obstacle course couldn't 834 00:50:56.719 --> 00:51:05.000 possibly be powerful without tyrants or deceivers. So rather than 835 00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:07.880 be at odds with what's going on in the world, 836 00:51:08.039 --> 00:51:11.679 you start to accept it as just an obstacle course, 837 00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:15.559 and you stop trying to save people or wake them up. 838 00:51:16.360 --> 00:51:18.400 You just realize that it has to do with you 839 00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:23.480 and you alone. And then if you were to unbind 840 00:51:23.599 --> 00:51:28.559 yourself from the storyline, then you're giving energetic permission for 841 00:51:28.639 --> 00:51:31.719 other people to do the same. And that's where the 842 00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:36.519 hundredth monkey thing kicks in. I'm not saying that you 843 00:51:36.559 --> 00:51:42.800 shouldn't bring attention or bring people, provide information to people 844 00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:47.119 about what's actually happening in the world, but if you're 845 00:51:47.159 --> 00:51:50.280 attached to the outcome, you're going to feel a lot 846 00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:54.280 of You're going to experience a lot of suffering. If 847 00:51:54.320 --> 00:51:58.280 you're liberated and not attached to the outcome of the collective, 848 00:51:58.800 --> 00:52:03.360 then you're you know, you become insulated, you create your 849 00:52:03.400 --> 00:52:08.199 own reality, and you find a way to navigate what's coming. 850 00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:13.559 And that's I think what we each person needs to 851 00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:18.519 be able to do is just becomes so ecstatically in 852 00:52:18.559 --> 00:52:22.159 love with their existence that they realize that the fact 853 00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:27.639 that we exist is a miracle and everything is extra 854 00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:32.039 and you become so thankful to be alive that you're 855 00:52:32.079 --> 00:52:36.760 not like trying to fix or control anything at all. 856 00:52:36.880 --> 00:52:39.760 You just find a way to be adaptable based on 857 00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:41.800 what they throw at us. 858 00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:46.840 Right, So, I've heard you say the term toll techs 859 00:52:47.440 --> 00:52:50.880 a few times here. Now forgive my ignorance here, but 860 00:52:50.920 --> 00:52:53.159 whenever I hear the term toll tech, I'm thinking of 861 00:52:53.239 --> 00:52:56.719 the pre Aztec tribe that ruled over Mexico up until, 862 00:52:56.760 --> 00:53:00.920 like you know, oney eleven hundred a d. They had 863 00:53:01.000 --> 00:53:04.079 no system of writing that, or at least none that 864 00:53:04.119 --> 00:53:06.599 we know of anyway. So is that what you mean 865 00:53:06.639 --> 00:53:09.360 when you say tull tech or is this another term 866 00:53:09.519 --> 00:53:12.599 that it might be a part of, like a spirituality 867 00:53:12.679 --> 00:53:13.960 walk that I wasn't familiar with. 868 00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:19.960 Yeah, so it's it's changed, and now it means someone 869 00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:24.000 that that discovered the secret of perception, in the way 870 00:53:24.039 --> 00:53:27.960 that the lineage presents it. But yeah, at one point, 871 00:53:28.079 --> 00:53:31.400 at one point, tultec meant you know that you were 872 00:53:31.440 --> 00:53:34.360 born of a blood lion, that was, you know, of 873 00:53:34.400 --> 00:53:41.159 a particular history. But German Men and Chinese men and 874 00:53:41.239 --> 00:53:47.199 different women from different ancestry lines have become Toltecs through 875 00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:52.199 the practice of tull Tech dreaming. So once you you know, 876 00:53:52.239 --> 00:53:55.400 the toll techs are considered the scientists of energy. 877 00:53:56.559 --> 00:53:57.079 Got you. 878 00:53:57.599 --> 00:54:03.679 They're considered the learned ones, and that they discovered, you know, 879 00:54:03.960 --> 00:54:09.239 with the use of plant medicine, they unlock the secrets 880 00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:13.800 of perception. They're very daring. But then they found out 881 00:54:13.840 --> 00:54:18.880 that the use of plant medicine is potentially detrimental to 882 00:54:18.960 --> 00:54:22.559 your energy body. So they found ways to reach those 883 00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:25.760 altered states without having to take any medicine at all. 884 00:54:26.719 --> 00:54:29.280 And that's what I teach in my workshops and my 885 00:54:29.440 --> 00:54:34.199 classes and in my mentoring. It's like, if you're willing 886 00:54:34.239 --> 00:54:40.159 to go slow and steady, you know, then you're more 887 00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:44.079 likely to be able to handle the electricity that's going to, 888 00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:48.519 you know, come in. So we want to be aware 889 00:54:48.639 --> 00:54:52.400 of the nervous system and go about this in a 890 00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:55.280 practical way. Otherwise, because I've seen a lot of people 891 00:54:55.320 --> 00:54:59.519 get really ungrounded, and we have to be grounded in 892 00:54:59.599 --> 00:55:02.320 order to of the intensity of what's available. 893 00:55:03.199 --> 00:55:07.559 Okay, I have I always writing down notes about questions. 894 00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:10.800 I have a couple different questions, but I wanted to 895 00:55:10.840 --> 00:55:13.199 ask I wanted to start with daydreaming. I wanted to 896 00:55:13.280 --> 00:55:15.239 talk about that because like, I'm one of those people 897 00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:20.199 that I consistently am like lost in my own narrative 898 00:55:20.280 --> 00:55:23.280 of thoughts and just like worlds that I'm creating and 899 00:55:23.360 --> 00:55:27.719 these like all these different things. Do you believe that 900 00:55:27.719 --> 00:55:30.280 that's the negative thing that you should try to be 901 00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:33.639 more grounded in your thought patterns, or like, is it 902 00:55:33.679 --> 00:55:37.360 a positive thing to have an open and active imagination 903 00:55:37.480 --> 00:55:39.840 where you're dreaming all that, like you're daydreaming all of 904 00:55:39.880 --> 00:55:42.239 these things, Or like how do you harness your energy 905 00:55:42.800 --> 00:55:44.039 to slow down. 906 00:55:43.880 --> 00:55:46.000 Those thoughts into a more productive way? 907 00:55:47.119 --> 00:55:51.639 Yeah, oh well it's both again, So we want to 908 00:55:51.639 --> 00:55:57.239 be able to have that more that imagination that goes 909 00:55:57.280 --> 00:56:00.119 into all these other ways of perceiving. So we call 910 00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:05.639 it dreaming awake and flow into Donner Groul wrote a 911 00:56:05.679 --> 00:56:10.760 book called Being in Dreaming, and she said that you know, 912 00:56:10.880 --> 00:56:16.679 learning to live in height and awareness is the ultimate audacity. 913 00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:20.400 And so there is a way to like for me, 914 00:56:20.599 --> 00:56:24.280 I don't have to take acid or mushrooms in order 915 00:56:24.360 --> 00:56:31.320 to go have those experiences of being deeply connected to 916 00:56:31.400 --> 00:56:37.039 my environment, like that flow state, that prosychedelic attention comes 917 00:56:37.039 --> 00:56:41.840 in and I get to take long walks where everything 918 00:56:41.920 --> 00:56:48.400 is super psychedelic the whole time. And so you want 919 00:56:48.440 --> 00:56:53.280 to keep that capacity for dreaming, for being a dreamer, 920 00:56:55.440 --> 00:56:57.960 but you want to figure out how to get it 921 00:56:58.079 --> 00:57:03.239 in a way that it's not based on some sort 922 00:57:03.280 --> 00:57:08.760 of like mind high mind, Like you want to get 923 00:57:08.760 --> 00:57:14.400 it focused, apply it more to what really is energizing 924 00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:19.199 you rather than what is draining you. Once once you 925 00:57:19.280 --> 00:57:22.800 understand the difference, then you know, like, oh yeah, you 926 00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:25.280 know that doesn't always work out when I just take 927 00:57:25.360 --> 00:57:28.199 off and I'm out of my body and I'm checked 928 00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:33.400 out and I'm avoiding my responsibilities because I'm I'm I'm 929 00:57:33.440 --> 00:57:36.559 out there. But when you bring it in and you 930 00:57:36.760 --> 00:57:39.920 use that same energy, So like I was giving a 931 00:57:40.119 --> 00:57:43.480 I was a project manager for a construction company, and 932 00:57:43.519 --> 00:57:48.079 I was giving a presentation in a conference room, and 933 00:57:48.119 --> 00:57:52.239 all of a sudden, my perception moved and everything became 934 00:57:52.280 --> 00:57:57.280 psychedelic and luminous, and I had enough training to be 935 00:57:57.320 --> 00:58:00.440 able to continue with the presentation while having this like 936 00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:01.519 profound moment. 937 00:58:02.119 --> 00:58:04.920 That's like the worst possible time frame to start having 938 00:58:04.960 --> 00:58:05.639 a psycho. 939 00:58:09.760 --> 00:58:12.920 And yet it was perfect because I was because I 940 00:58:13.000 --> 00:58:16.639 survived it and I pulled it off. I realized how 941 00:58:16.679 --> 00:58:20.679 capable I am that I don't have to like I 942 00:58:20.719 --> 00:58:25.360 can be both. You know, I became multifaceted that day, 943 00:58:26.079 --> 00:58:28.800 and it freed me from the fear of having a 944 00:58:28.840 --> 00:58:32.039 normal job. I realized, you know, I can learn to 945 00:58:32.079 --> 00:58:35.159 live in a psychedelic state even with a shitty job. 946 00:58:35.719 --> 00:58:37.960 And that's the whole point of the toll tech work 947 00:58:38.079 --> 00:58:40.679 is that you don't run from the matrix. You actually 948 00:58:41.119 --> 00:58:44.039 you get really strong and then you go test yourself 949 00:58:45.119 --> 00:58:49.079 in the world by seeing what what you're capable of handling. 950 00:58:49.159 --> 00:58:54.960 Now that you're no longer offended by the the typical 951 00:58:55.320 --> 00:58:58.360 sort of energy harvesting that most people are inside of, 952 00:58:58.840 --> 00:59:02.159 you just observe it it and so like, you know, 953 00:59:02.280 --> 00:59:07.440 being in construction management as a shamanic practitioner was perfect. 954 00:59:09.440 --> 00:59:13.159 It taught me everything I needed to know. And I 955 00:59:13.480 --> 00:59:17.079 but if I was you know, had tried to convince 956 00:59:17.159 --> 00:59:20.000 people or change them or talk to them about these 957 00:59:20.039 --> 00:59:23.000 strange ideas, I would have been fired. Like it's not 958 00:59:23.079 --> 00:59:26.079 like you present your true self. You have to go 959 00:59:26.199 --> 00:59:30.159 in there on a show and just like make everyone 960 00:59:30.280 --> 00:59:33.920 assume that you're just like them. Otherwise they won't feel 961 00:59:33.920 --> 00:59:36.320 the trust. They won't trust you to be able to 962 00:59:36.360 --> 00:59:39.480 run the job because they'll think you're some spiritual freak. 963 00:59:40.239 --> 00:59:43.000 So it's like you have to like know your environment 964 00:59:43.760 --> 00:59:46.800 and work with the psyche of the people. 965 00:59:48.480 --> 00:59:51.159 How do you feel about deja vu? Like, what do 966 00:59:51.159 --> 00:59:52.679 you what is deja vu? 967 00:59:52.760 --> 00:59:56.199 Because I have it so profoundly that there are times 968 00:59:56.199 --> 00:59:59.480 when I have dream and instant it's not like it's 969 00:59:59.480 --> 01:00:04.280 sometimes I've dreamed it a year, two years prior to 970 01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:08.480 this exact day time and what I'm experiencing. And then 971 01:00:08.559 --> 01:00:12.000 I've walked both paths, so like I've seen if I 972 01:00:12.079 --> 01:00:15.360 take to the right, these things are gonna happen. If 973 01:00:15.400 --> 01:00:17.280 I make these decisions. If I go to the left, 974 01:00:17.639 --> 01:00:20.800 these things will happen. And then in that moment, it's 975 01:00:20.880 --> 01:00:23.440 like in an out of body experience, like I get 976 01:00:23.800 --> 01:00:26.039 it almost feels like somebody dumps a bucket of cold 977 01:00:26.119 --> 01:00:29.199 water on me and I realize I like dead stop, 978 01:00:29.320 --> 01:00:33.199 and it's like, Okay, I've been here, I've experienced this. 979 01:00:33.840 --> 01:00:36.280 I can see which one I need to not go down. 980 01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:39.119 But I've never really talked to other people that I've 981 01:00:39.239 --> 01:00:42.079 experienced it, because it sounds like I'm a crazy person, 982 01:00:42.159 --> 01:00:44.559 but it happens to me. It's happened to me my 983 01:00:44.599 --> 01:00:47.519 whole life. But it happens to me quite often, and 984 01:00:47.559 --> 01:00:51.239 it's it's almost kind of eerie feeling sometimes because it's 985 01:00:51.320 --> 01:00:55.679 so intense and it's the energy that is associated with 986 01:00:55.719 --> 01:00:59.719 whatever decision is, Like I had to really decide, Okay, 987 01:00:59.800 --> 01:01:01.599 I'm going to have to choose which route I'm going 988 01:01:01.639 --> 01:01:04.159 to go down. What do you is that like something 989 01:01:04.159 --> 01:01:06.320 that is commonly happens to people. 990 01:01:06.760 --> 01:01:09.559 I also, Yeah, So like what happens is you will 991 01:01:09.599 --> 01:01:14.679 have a dream that you might forget about, and then 992 01:01:14.880 --> 01:01:19.400 you enter into that dream while you while you're awake, 993 01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:28.719 because you dreamt your future. And the reality of things 994 01:01:28.840 --> 01:01:34.280 is that our future self is already exists. This that 995 01:01:34.360 --> 01:01:37.519 we're all inside of right now is a memory. It's 996 01:01:37.559 --> 01:01:38.440 already happened. 997 01:01:39.920 --> 01:01:42.559 Really, that's interesting, and. 998 01:01:42.519 --> 01:01:47.159 So you learned by understanding that you stop being like 999 01:01:47.360 --> 01:01:51.800 trying to control your world. You start to let your 1000 01:01:51.800 --> 01:01:55.159 future self inform you of the most harmonious way to 1001 01:01:55.239 --> 01:01:58.639 get to where it already is. And it looks like 1002 01:01:59.079 --> 01:02:02.760 it looks like luck or what we call it personal power. 1003 01:02:02.760 --> 01:02:07.400 But when you start to trust, everything works out, and 1004 01:02:07.440 --> 01:02:11.960 you'll be tested as to how that trust works. This 1005 01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:17.800 is a dream, and there's times where you have to 1006 01:02:17.960 --> 01:02:22.159 really break out of that hypnosis that keeps you from 1007 01:02:22.239 --> 01:02:27.159 understanding that in order to sort of solve the riddle 1008 01:02:27.280 --> 01:02:30.679 of manifestation, and you know all that comes with that. 1009 01:02:31.000 --> 01:02:34.880 So I tell people to listen rather than manifest. Once 1010 01:02:34.920 --> 01:02:38.280 you listen, once you've listened enough, you can manifest because 1011 01:02:39.159 --> 01:02:44.039 you know what your future self is telling you. But 1012 01:02:44.079 --> 01:02:47.519 if you're trying to compete with or compare yourself to others, 1013 01:02:47.559 --> 01:02:50.400 you're not going to be listening. You're going to be 1014 01:02:50.559 --> 01:02:54.440 like trying to create something out of thin air. So 1015 01:02:54.719 --> 01:02:58.599 it really has to be based on being of service 1016 01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:02.719 because if you're of service, then the energy is going 1017 01:03:02.760 --> 01:03:07.519 to circle back and support you. Right. But if you're 1018 01:03:07.559 --> 01:03:11.880 in a materialistic mindset where you're trying to like desperately 1019 01:03:12.400 --> 01:03:17.679 create something as a means to survive, it would actually 1020 01:03:18.000 --> 01:03:20.719 be best to just go into the matrix and become 1021 01:03:20.800 --> 01:03:26.440 a productive member of society until you figure out your 1022 01:03:26.480 --> 01:03:30.880 magic and then so like everything's really like, I watch 1023 01:03:30.920 --> 01:03:33.400 a lot of people suffer because they don't understand that 1024 01:03:34.840 --> 01:03:37.239 they're trying to create something they're not ready for. 1025 01:03:38.280 --> 01:03:39.960 We can you give an example of what you mean 1026 01:03:39.960 --> 01:03:42.480 by this. They create something they're not ready for. Because 1027 01:03:42.599 --> 01:03:45.719 when you said, like be of service do you mean 1028 01:03:46.360 --> 01:03:47.679 to your community? 1029 01:03:47.960 --> 01:03:50.400 Do you mean to your future self? 1030 01:03:50.440 --> 01:03:53.079 And kind of set yourself up for success by doing 1031 01:03:53.079 --> 01:03:55.079 some of the legwork on certain situations. 1032 01:03:55.119 --> 01:03:57.400 Now there are a couple of questions that I have 1033 01:03:57.480 --> 01:03:58.280 on this one, honestly. 1034 01:03:59.000 --> 01:04:03.000 Yeah, yeah, it's a huge concept to do the shadow 1035 01:04:03.039 --> 01:04:07.440 work is to be of service to yourself, but it 1036 01:04:07.559 --> 01:04:11.400 leads to being of service to humanity because you become 1037 01:04:12.079 --> 01:04:16.360 an oracle, you become capable of explaining things. You become 1038 01:04:16.400 --> 01:04:21.719 a mirror because you faced yourself, you become a reflective surface, 1039 01:04:22.719 --> 01:04:27.480 and then you can help people see themselves. And so 1040 01:04:27.719 --> 01:04:31.039 it's just a matter of finding a way to get 1041 01:04:31.079 --> 01:04:35.000 to that position, and that might mean a construction job 1042 01:04:35.079 --> 01:04:40.960 for a few more years before that becomes truly sustainable. 1043 01:04:41.719 --> 01:04:44.079 We just have to be practical, so that we're not 1044 01:04:44.280 --> 01:04:49.079 desperately trying to force ourself into a career that isn't 1045 01:04:49.679 --> 01:04:50.960 totally set up yet. 1046 01:04:51.280 --> 01:04:53.119 Is that what you mean by people are miserable because 1047 01:04:53.119 --> 01:04:56.760 they're trying to force certain things that they're not ready for. Yes, 1048 01:04:57.000 --> 01:04:59.119 got you, Because I've seen people do the same thing. 1049 01:04:59.119 --> 01:05:02.159 They'll break off and do their own whatever that is, 1050 01:05:02.199 --> 01:05:06.159 whether it's social media influencer, whether it's a T shirt company, 1051 01:05:06.159 --> 01:05:08.400 whatever the case, they will bite off way more than 1052 01:05:08.440 --> 01:05:11.400 they can chew. And although their intentions are in the 1053 01:05:11.440 --> 01:05:14.119 right spot and they do have the correct mindset for it, 1054 01:05:14.159 --> 01:05:17.360 they have a real good game plan, they also have 1055 01:05:17.400 --> 01:05:20.079 no fucking clue what goes with that. They have no 1056 01:05:20.199 --> 01:05:22.679 idea what kinds of bumps and bruises and curveballs that 1057 01:05:22.679 --> 01:05:24.760 that particular industry will throw at them. 1058 01:05:24.880 --> 01:05:26.760 So then give them a year or two, and they 1059 01:05:27.039 --> 01:05:30.119 they're miserable. They're in so much stress because they don't 1060 01:05:30.159 --> 01:05:33.880 realize the predicament that they've put themselves in. And so 1061 01:05:33.960 --> 01:05:34.760 I hear what you're saying. 1062 01:05:36.079 --> 01:05:40.280 Yeah, it's too much pressure, you know, And it's just 1063 01:05:41.119 --> 01:05:44.760 it doesn't have to be that way. Like I had 1064 01:05:44.840 --> 01:05:49.079 to be a construction manager. You know as well as 1065 01:05:49.239 --> 01:05:51.760 offer what I now do on this. You know, I 1066 01:05:51.800 --> 01:05:55.920 had to do both. I had to work a lot 1067 01:05:56.039 --> 01:06:00.280 of hours in both areas in order to eventu be 1068 01:06:00.280 --> 01:06:03.639 able to shift over to where I'm at. But I 1069 01:06:03.719 --> 01:06:06.400 have to also be willing to go back to construction 1070 01:06:06.559 --> 01:06:08.639 management at any moment. 1071 01:06:09.760 --> 01:06:10.000 Yeah. 1072 01:06:10.000 --> 01:06:12.559 But if I create a big fear around that, like, oh, 1073 01:06:12.639 --> 01:06:15.840 the stress of that will ruin me, and I like 1074 01:06:16.000 --> 01:06:20.679 contract around that feeling, then that that's just super disempowering. 1075 01:06:20.840 --> 01:06:24.920 So you have to become a warrior. You have to 1076 01:06:25.000 --> 01:06:29.079 realize that this place is a battleground and you realize that, 1077 01:06:29.320 --> 01:06:31.880 you know, in order to be strong, you have to 1078 01:06:31.960 --> 01:06:37.320 walk towards the challenges rather than wait for them to come. 1079 01:06:37.159 --> 01:06:41.039 To you, but also be aware not to dive off 1080 01:06:41.079 --> 01:06:43.119 into the deep end of those challenges before you have 1081 01:06:43.280 --> 01:06:45.320 the preparation to handle them. 1082 01:06:45.639 --> 01:06:46.760 I'm with you one hundred percent. 1083 01:06:46.920 --> 01:06:49.480 So, for instance, this podcast, Jonathan and I who was 1084 01:06:49.519 --> 01:06:53.559 my former co host, we did this from twenty twenty 1085 01:06:53.840 --> 01:06:57.880 to twenty twenty four. As it started off as a 1086 01:06:57.920 --> 01:06:59.920 hobby kind of start. Can't went into the realm of 1087 01:07:00.159 --> 01:07:03.039 side hustle. I had a full time job, a full career. 1088 01:07:03.079 --> 01:07:05.400 I was an instrument tech. I went to college to 1089 01:07:05.440 --> 01:07:07.440 get a degree in that field. And I could still 1090 01:07:07.480 --> 01:07:09.039 I could go back on my tools right now and 1091 01:07:09.079 --> 01:07:12.440 go to work if I so chose, But it also 1092 01:07:12.519 --> 01:07:14.480 got to a point to where it's And for the record, 1093 01:07:14.480 --> 01:07:15.440 I didn't hate my job. 1094 01:07:15.719 --> 01:07:17.159 I didn't hate it. I didn't love it. 1095 01:07:17.199 --> 01:07:19.559 I wasn't like super excited to go to work every morning. 1096 01:07:19.559 --> 01:07:22.440 But I also didn't sit outside the gate and decide 1097 01:07:22.480 --> 01:07:24.360 if I was going to put myself through that today 1098 01:07:24.360 --> 01:07:26.360 and dread it. You know, it was it was a job. 1099 01:07:26.480 --> 01:07:29.079 It put food on the table. But when it finally 1100 01:07:29.119 --> 01:07:31.320 got to a point where I could pursue something that 1101 01:07:31.960 --> 01:07:35.760 I really am passionate about, there was already four years 1102 01:07:35.840 --> 01:07:39.559 worth of legwork that had gone into building it into 1103 01:07:39.599 --> 01:07:43.519 what it was. So it wasn't a crazy, scary step 1104 01:07:43.559 --> 01:07:45.360 off of anything. It was a it was like a 1105 01:07:45.440 --> 01:07:48.880 lateral move, It was a it was an equilibrium transition 1106 01:07:49.039 --> 01:07:49.559 if anything. 1107 01:07:50.400 --> 01:07:54.320 For sure. That's awesome. Yeah, exactly. You just want to 1108 01:07:54.320 --> 01:07:58.880 be realistic. Toltecs aren't spiritual. They're practical and magical. 1109 01:08:00.480 --> 01:08:03.920 We are magical, Yeah, not spiritual. Well, it's practical and magical. 1110 01:08:03.960 --> 01:08:06.039 I feel like the two get conflated to be the 1111 01:08:06.119 --> 01:08:07.519 same thing. So what do you mean they're not. 1112 01:08:09.280 --> 01:08:14.199 Spiritual energy is like it's it's just like an offset 1113 01:08:14.239 --> 01:08:18.039 of religious energy, and so you just want to be 1114 01:08:18.680 --> 01:08:23.119 but we're actually just magical creatures of awareness, but we 1115 01:08:23.239 --> 01:08:26.920 need to be practical and realistic in order to activate 1116 01:08:27.000 --> 01:08:31.039 that magic. And so spirituality has like a it's like 1117 01:08:31.199 --> 01:08:38.720 tainted with like this syropy feel, and it's just not powerful. 1118 01:08:39.800 --> 01:08:44.039 It's not powerful enough. It needs to be less. It 1119 01:08:44.079 --> 01:08:48.159 needs to be less like fucking lovey and more like realistic, 1120 01:08:49.920 --> 01:08:52.720 Like this place isn't just love like this place is 1121 01:08:52.800 --> 01:08:56.840 fucking intense. It needs to be balanced, you know, we 1122 01:08:56.920 --> 01:09:00.439 need to be realistic on every level of about what 1123 01:09:00.439 --> 01:09:01.199 we're feeling. 1124 01:09:01.880 --> 01:09:04.319 I feel like a lot of the spiritual community, and 1125 01:09:04.399 --> 01:09:08.640 I say this term very very broadly and very very loosely, 1126 01:09:09.119 --> 01:09:10.840 and for any of our listeners that are of the 1127 01:09:10.880 --> 01:09:13.000 spiritual mindset, please do not take what I'm saying as 1128 01:09:13.000 --> 01:09:15.279 an offense, because I do not mean it in such ways. 1129 01:09:15.680 --> 01:09:18.600 But a lot of them, like you said, they come 1130 01:09:18.640 --> 01:09:22.000 at it from a genuine place of love, and there's 1131 01:09:22.039 --> 01:09:22.880 nothing wrong with that. 1132 01:09:23.279 --> 01:09:24.840 I understand where they're coming from. 1133 01:09:25.119 --> 01:09:29.479 They have very good intentions, but I hear so many, 1134 01:09:29.840 --> 01:09:33.319 so fucking many of them say things like, well, we 1135 01:09:33.399 --> 01:09:35.880 just need to all come together as one unity and 1136 01:09:35.920 --> 01:09:38.319 this awakenness and all realize we're all part of the 1137 01:09:38.359 --> 01:09:40.800 same thing and this world could be a better place. 1138 01:09:41.119 --> 01:09:44.800 That's like never actually going to fucking happen. Like, I'm 1139 01:09:44.800 --> 01:09:46.520 not saying that to shit on nobody. 1140 01:09:46.720 --> 01:09:47.000 Again. 1141 01:09:47.359 --> 01:09:51.319 What they're saying is coming from a very genuinely virtuous 1142 01:09:51.439 --> 01:09:54.439 and good place, and I can respect it, but they 1143 01:09:54.479 --> 01:09:59.199 also have deluded themselves into not understanding how reality works. 1144 01:09:59.600 --> 01:10:02.079 So I think this kind of ties into what you're 1145 01:10:02.119 --> 01:10:02.640 saying here. 1146 01:10:03.960 --> 01:10:08.640 Yeah, it's it's like a form of deception that comes 1147 01:10:08.680 --> 01:10:13.399 from the hive mind. Yeah, And so like we need 1148 01:10:13.399 --> 01:10:17.880 to actually come to terms with what's actually what's occurring, 1149 01:10:18.000 --> 01:10:24.079 which is that we're being energetically harvested. You know, we 1150 01:10:24.199 --> 01:10:28.600 need to reclaim our power and we're on a battlefield. 1151 01:10:28.720 --> 01:10:32.399 You can't just say nice words and make it sound 1152 01:10:32.479 --> 01:10:37.319 cool and then convince yourself that everything's okay. Like, we've 1153 01:10:37.359 --> 01:10:41.079 got to be realistic about the fact that this shits. 1154 01:10:41.680 --> 01:10:44.720 There's a lot of stuff that we're people are spiritually 1155 01:10:44.760 --> 01:10:50.199 bypassing and trying to say all these new age concepts 1156 01:10:50.239 --> 01:10:54.359 that will make them feel good, but it's false positivity. 1157 01:10:54.479 --> 01:10:58.319 It's it's not sustainable, and they're going to end up 1158 01:10:58.920 --> 01:11:01.680 having to eventually feel the heavy side of things, and 1159 01:11:01.680 --> 01:11:05.199 they're gonna get depressed, and then they're gonna take ssl 1160 01:11:05.359 --> 01:11:10.680 rise because they're like unfamiliar with the heaviness because they've 1161 01:11:10.720 --> 01:11:14.600 been propping up this spiritual concept that isn't sustainable. 1162 01:11:15.079 --> 01:11:17.479 It's almost like a college kid that gets introduced to 1163 01:11:17.560 --> 01:11:20.920 Marxism and like they understand, like in the college, yeah, 1164 01:11:20.960 --> 01:11:22.439 it sounds like a great idea, and then they get 1165 01:11:22.479 --> 01:11:25.520 to their mid thirties and they become wildly conservative because 1166 01:11:25.520 --> 01:11:28.279 it's like, wait a minute, no, no, sixty percent of 1167 01:11:28.319 --> 01:11:29.880 my money should not go to the government. 1168 01:11:29.920 --> 01:11:30.520 This is bullshit. 1169 01:11:30.560 --> 01:11:32.960 And then they get super, super depressed as a result 1170 01:11:33.000 --> 01:11:36.199 of it. And it's like, again, I see where you were, 1171 01:11:36.600 --> 01:11:38.560 and you were you really did believe you were in 1172 01:11:38.600 --> 01:11:41.239 it for the right reasons. But it's it's time for 1173 01:11:41.279 --> 01:11:43.680 rubber to meet the road, so to speak. So I 1174 01:11:44.000 --> 01:11:47.319 hear what you're saying, but to kind of circle back 1175 01:11:47.359 --> 01:11:50.199 to what you said here, it's not it's not these 1176 01:11:50.199 --> 01:11:53.399 people are dumb or they're they're misinformed or any of 1177 01:11:53.399 --> 01:11:57.399 that stuff. It does feel good and it's it's being 1178 01:11:57.439 --> 01:12:00.479 done in a very positive way, so you know, I 1179 01:12:00.479 --> 01:12:03.000 can at least put a little respect on that. But 1180 01:12:03.399 --> 01:12:06.520 you're saying that all of this is it's like a 1181 01:12:06.560 --> 01:12:08.680 false sense of security almost. 1182 01:12:10.319 --> 01:12:15.800 Yeah, the New Age movement has been very like everything is, 1183 01:12:18.119 --> 01:12:24.800 everything's a program and our archaics calls it dungeon programming. 1184 01:12:25.960 --> 01:12:29.760 You know, so like once you can sense the programming, 1185 01:12:29.920 --> 01:12:33.880 then you understand, you know, like that it's just hypnosis 1186 01:12:35.159 --> 01:12:38.920 and you start being able to filter out that and 1187 01:12:39.960 --> 01:12:44.520 become un willing to free yourself from as much hypnosis 1188 01:12:44.600 --> 01:12:51.119 as possible. But it's lonely and you know, it's just 1189 01:12:52.199 --> 01:12:55.960 painful and things. But twenty twenty, you know, was a 1190 01:12:56.000 --> 01:12:57.000 really powerful time. 1191 01:12:57.479 --> 01:12:58.600 A lot of people woke up. 1192 01:12:59.279 --> 01:13:03.079 Yeah, it's served as a catalyst and so as painful, 1193 01:13:03.279 --> 01:13:06.359 and you know, it was validating to me I knew 1194 01:13:06.359 --> 01:13:09.359 the world was the way I knew it was like that, 1195 01:13:09.439 --> 01:13:11.600 But it was finally I was able to see it. 1196 01:13:13.159 --> 01:13:13.319 Right. 1197 01:13:13.359 --> 01:13:17.520 It was like, yes, that was so sad and at 1198 01:13:17.560 --> 01:13:20.840 the same time so helpful to validate the fact that 1199 01:13:20.880 --> 01:13:24.640 I was you know, that it was accurate what I thought. 1200 01:13:25.880 --> 01:13:28.800 But that's going to continue to happen. We're going to 1201 01:13:28.880 --> 01:13:32.520 continue to watch, you know, some of my mouths powerful 1202 01:13:32.640 --> 01:13:37.239 psychic female teachers. You know, we're pushing the mask and 1203 01:13:37.279 --> 01:13:42.239 the social distancing and the jabs, and that was so painful. 1204 01:13:42.680 --> 01:13:47.640 But it also I needed that for my own ability 1205 01:13:47.720 --> 01:13:50.920 to then become my own person. Otherwise I would have 1206 01:13:50.960 --> 01:13:55.039 stayed under their wing, so to speak, you know, like 1207 01:13:55.119 --> 01:14:01.239 it freed me from you know, all all kinds of things. 1208 01:14:01.800 --> 01:14:04.359 So follow or go ahead, Raven, I'll see you getting 1209 01:14:04.359 --> 01:14:04.920 ready to say something. 1210 01:14:05.640 --> 01:14:06.239 Oh, go ahead. 1211 01:14:07.000 --> 01:14:10.039 You said that we have to break out of the hypnosis? 1212 01:14:10.359 --> 01:14:13.479 What is your take on hypnotism? And I don't mean 1213 01:14:13.520 --> 01:14:17.880 the stage perform say, we're on the same page here, 1214 01:14:17.920 --> 01:14:20.840 you and I so, And I don't mean stage performance 1215 01:14:20.880 --> 01:14:23.680 of making somebody cluck like a chicken for the laughs, right, 1216 01:14:23.720 --> 01:14:27.119 which you know, stage performance in stage magic. I feel 1217 01:14:27.119 --> 01:14:29.279 like that's more of an illusion and a lot of 1218 01:14:29.279 --> 01:14:33.560 people are in on it. Fine, but real hypnosis because 1219 01:14:33.640 --> 01:14:35.800 I have friends of mine, my former co host, as 1220 01:14:35.800 --> 01:14:37.479 a matter of fact, who does He is a licensed 1221 01:14:37.520 --> 01:14:40.920 hpnotherapist and he does QHHT, which is in the realm 1222 01:14:40.960 --> 01:14:44.720 of Dolores Cannon. He does past life regressions and primarily 1223 01:14:44.720 --> 01:14:47.720 speaking to the higher self, all of these things. Now, 1224 01:14:47.920 --> 01:14:52.960 I am not somebody who particularly believes in reincarnation or 1225 01:14:53.000 --> 01:14:55.119 past lives. I've looked into it, and I'm not gonna 1226 01:14:55.119 --> 01:14:57.479 shit on people that do believe in it. I get it. 1227 01:14:57.479 --> 01:15:00.359 It's just not my jam. But that being said, I 1228 01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:03.720 did experience a past life regression under hypnosis through him. 1229 01:15:04.039 --> 01:15:07.640 Now I do not know if that was me Jacob 1230 01:15:07.760 --> 01:15:10.920 experiencing a past life or if this is what happens 1231 01:15:10.920 --> 01:15:13.600 when Jacob's imagination gets let off the leash and free 1232 01:15:13.600 --> 01:15:14.479 to walk around a bit. 1233 01:15:14.479 --> 01:15:15.239 And this is just kind of. 1234 01:15:15.199 --> 01:15:18.279 What it spits out. Both are valid. Both are very valid, 1235 01:15:18.520 --> 01:15:22.359 so hypnosis in and of themselves. What is your take 1236 01:15:22.399 --> 01:15:22.680 on this? 1237 01:15:23.159 --> 01:15:26.640 Well, we have something called an assemblage point that is 1238 01:15:26.680 --> 01:15:29.520 like a small tennis ball sized ball of light that 1239 01:15:29.640 --> 01:15:33.760 sits on the periphery of our cocoon in the backside here. 1240 01:15:34.920 --> 01:15:38.960 And when it moves, you know, anytime it moves, that's 1241 01:15:38.960 --> 01:15:45.319 a hypnotic experience. It's hypnosis, but it needs to move. 1242 01:15:45.920 --> 01:15:50.359 That's how we assemble other realities and visions and travel 1243 01:15:50.520 --> 01:15:55.199 and other layers of attention, but depending on the person's 1244 01:15:55.279 --> 01:15:58.840 understanding of that, which most people have no clue what 1245 01:15:58.880 --> 01:16:02.159 I'm talking about right now, So they're like a hypnotist 1246 01:16:02.239 --> 01:16:05.800 and they don't really know what they're doing because they 1247 01:16:05.800 --> 01:16:11.000 weren't trained properly by a seaman. Right, So we're just 1248 01:16:11.079 --> 01:16:14.439 messing with a mechanism that we have no understanding of. 1249 01:16:15.680 --> 01:16:19.199 My teacher could, like his eye would just rotate and 1250 01:16:19.279 --> 01:16:22.319 become a black and white whirlpool, and I would like 1251 01:16:22.399 --> 01:16:26.399 to pass out within a second if I was locked in, 1252 01:16:26.680 --> 01:16:30.840 because he was able to unbind from his physical form 1253 01:16:30.920 --> 01:16:35.640 and perform acts of perception. That So I'm seventeen years 1254 01:16:35.640 --> 01:16:38.199 old and I'm, you know, in the presence of a 1255 01:16:38.239 --> 01:16:42.319 wizard that can put you in hypnosis by moving his 1256 01:16:42.359 --> 01:16:45.439 eyeball in a you know, in a circle, and it's 1257 01:16:45.600 --> 01:16:47.239 it's fucking disturbing as fuck. 1258 01:16:47.439 --> 01:16:51.319 Well out, Wow, this sounds pretty scary. Honestly, I'm sure 1259 01:16:51.359 --> 01:16:53.279 you trusted the guy and all that, but what the fuck? 1260 01:16:54.199 --> 01:16:57.479 So, yeah, I mean, you know it, there are many 1261 01:16:57.520 --> 01:17:02.079 people that can do this, but I was in the 1262 01:17:02.079 --> 01:17:05.720 presence of someone daily every day, you know, for years 1263 01:17:05.800 --> 01:17:10.600 that was doing these things to me, and so you know, 1264 01:17:10.800 --> 01:17:15.239 hypnosis is a just a different position of perception than 1265 01:17:15.319 --> 01:17:16.199 the regular one. 1266 01:17:16.920 --> 01:17:19.760 So the people that get hypnotized to quit smoking, for instance. 1267 01:17:20.520 --> 01:17:23.840 You take this as from what you sound what you're 1268 01:17:23.840 --> 01:17:27.800 saying here, it sounds like hypnosis is a relatively negative 1269 01:17:27.880 --> 01:17:28.960 thing overall. 1270 01:17:30.640 --> 01:17:35.960 No, it's just that the common person doesn't understand the 1271 01:17:36.039 --> 01:17:42.119 mechanism in which they're working with, and ignorance is bliss sure, 1272 01:17:42.159 --> 01:17:43.119 And it's also. 1273 01:17:44.439 --> 01:17:49.199 Not you know, reminds me of light therapy. 1274 01:17:49.159 --> 01:17:50.079 Yeah, Like light. 1275 01:17:49.920 --> 01:17:52.600 Therapy is one of those things that has been gaining 1276 01:17:52.640 --> 01:17:54.880 a lot of traction, and I've read a lot of 1277 01:17:54.880 --> 01:17:58.520 research on the positive aspects, but I've also known personally 1278 01:17:58.680 --> 01:18:01.760 people that have done light therapy that have had very 1279 01:18:01.800 --> 01:18:06.760 intense negative reactions to it, and then they've been They've 1280 01:18:06.760 --> 01:18:09.960 tried to put them in hypnosis to reverse that negative reaction. 1281 01:18:10.840 --> 01:18:16.239 And we've actually all talked about me trying to be hypnotized. 1282 01:18:16.920 --> 01:18:19.840 When I say try, I don't know how well that 1283 01:18:19.880 --> 01:18:20.239 would go. 1284 01:18:20.399 --> 01:18:24.439 I have actually used hypnosis for birth, but even that 1285 01:18:24.760 --> 01:18:31.399 I struggled heavy with I did. I believed in changing 1286 01:18:31.399 --> 01:18:35.439 my mindset when it came to how I viewed birth, 1287 01:18:35.479 --> 01:18:38.319 and that's what I valued most about the hypnosis that 1288 01:18:38.359 --> 01:18:40.319 I use, and I swear up and down by hypno 1289 01:18:40.359 --> 01:18:44.199 birthing for anybody to give birth, because I believe that 1290 01:18:44.279 --> 01:18:48.600 we need to change the fear based mindset, and that's 1291 01:18:48.600 --> 01:18:49.840 what a lot of this was about. 1292 01:18:50.359 --> 01:18:53.000 But when they would talk about focusing on this. 1293 01:18:53.079 --> 01:18:57.399 Orange glow to come over your body and stuff, and 1294 01:18:57.439 --> 01:18:59.680 you count down and you have a finger drop, so 1295 01:18:59.720 --> 01:19:02.600 you countdown, she would say, you know, three, two, one, 1296 01:19:02.640 --> 01:19:03.800 and you're gonna drop your finger. 1297 01:19:03.880 --> 01:19:06.319 You're in hypnosis. And I was like, yeah, but I'm not, 1298 01:19:06.439 --> 01:19:10.279 though I'm really not. And but like I would, I 1299 01:19:10.279 --> 01:19:10.880 would try. 1300 01:19:11.680 --> 01:19:15.079 No, I didn't delude myself. I would try very hard 1301 01:19:15.560 --> 01:19:19.600 to be in that state. But like I've said previously, 1302 01:19:19.720 --> 01:19:21.640 I struggle with letting go. 1303 01:19:21.840 --> 01:19:23.840 I'm very very. 1304 01:19:23.720 --> 01:19:26.239 Much a control freak, which is interesting when it comes 1305 01:19:26.279 --> 01:19:31.399 to dreams, because I find myself being able to let 1306 01:19:31.520 --> 01:19:35.159 go more in dreams, like I'm able to like recognize 1307 01:19:35.199 --> 01:19:40.000 that I'm in a dream and I'm not fearful. I'm like, okay, 1308 01:19:40.119 --> 01:19:43.079 so what is this kind of a thing. So hypnosis 1309 01:19:43.079 --> 01:19:45.640 to me is an interesting thing. I've seen it work 1310 01:19:45.920 --> 01:19:47.640 and i've seen it not work. I've seen it do 1311 01:19:47.760 --> 01:19:50.880 a lot of damage to people. It's it's like a 1312 01:19:51.319 --> 01:19:54.319 hit or miss depending on the practitionery, depending on where 1313 01:19:54.319 --> 01:19:54.600 they are. 1314 01:19:54.680 --> 01:19:57.840 I feel like in their mindset, so fine. 1315 01:19:57.880 --> 01:20:01.039 I hear it saying in dreams said, you're able to 1316 01:20:01.119 --> 01:20:04.000 let go more? Is it that you're able to or 1317 01:20:04.039 --> 01:20:06.399 because you don't have a choice and you have to? 1318 01:20:06.479 --> 01:20:09.520 But I do. But I feel truly that I have 1319 01:20:09.600 --> 01:20:12.279 a choice because I have actually gotten myself out of 1320 01:20:12.359 --> 01:20:16.039 dreams in specific situations where like I really didn't want 1321 01:20:16.079 --> 01:20:18.079 to be there and I'm like, I'm done, I'm done 1322 01:20:18.079 --> 01:20:20.880 being here and I want to leave. And I've been 1323 01:20:20.920 --> 01:20:23.039 able to get myself out of quite a few of 1324 01:20:23.039 --> 01:20:24.920 the dreams that I no longer want to be in. 1325 01:20:25.520 --> 01:20:31.239 But I recognize that I'm in a different, something different. 1326 01:20:31.279 --> 01:20:34.000 I don't know how to explain the dream world to 1327 01:20:35.359 --> 01:20:38.319 if you don't dream in that vivid sense. It's a 1328 01:20:38.319 --> 01:20:40.840 difficult thing for me. For me personally, I feel like 1329 01:20:41.159 --> 01:20:44.359 it depends on where I'm at. There are certain dreams 1330 01:20:44.399 --> 01:20:47.119 that I've had reoccurring since I was a child, and 1331 01:20:47.199 --> 01:20:50.600 I've been in these dreams since I was like four 1332 01:20:50.680 --> 01:20:53.600 years old. And that's why I asked about reincarnation, is 1333 01:20:53.640 --> 01:20:57.159 because specifically I have a dream that I'm this other person. 1334 01:20:57.279 --> 01:21:01.520 I could tell you everything I mean. And it's interesting 1335 01:21:01.520 --> 01:21:03.439 you said about your hands. That's the first thing as 1336 01:21:03.520 --> 01:21:05.199 I do when I'm in the dream is I look 1337 01:21:05.199 --> 01:21:07.760 at my hands and my feet and I'm standing in dirt. 1338 01:21:07.800 --> 01:21:10.079 My feet, my toes are in this bind. Toes are 1339 01:21:10.079 --> 01:21:10.520 in the dirt. 1340 01:21:10.840 --> 01:21:13.119 I'm in a field and I look at my hands 1341 01:21:13.159 --> 01:21:18.600 and I'm touching the wheat grass. And that's every time. 1342 01:21:18.880 --> 01:21:21.439 That's where I start, and that's where I and I 1343 01:21:21.479 --> 01:21:24.520 go through my whole life. And I have I have 1344 01:21:24.600 --> 01:21:27.479 a son, I have a wife. I'm a man actually 1345 01:21:27.520 --> 01:21:29.079 in the dream, which is interesting, but. 1346 01:21:29.039 --> 01:21:31.159 I'm a warrior. I have all of the in it. 1347 01:21:31.680 --> 01:21:33.960 I've had it since I was little, and it's the 1348 01:21:34.079 --> 01:21:34.760 same thing. 1349 01:21:34.800 --> 01:21:40.000 And I that one doesn't shift. I'm able to certain dreams. 1350 01:21:40.000 --> 01:21:42.640 I'm able to hyper fixate on things and they don't shift. 1351 01:21:42.720 --> 01:21:45.840 Some dreams it's like a it's like a slideshow, you know, 1352 01:21:45.880 --> 01:21:49.239 and I'm skipping through everything really quickly until I find 1353 01:21:49.239 --> 01:21:50.600 a place where I want to be, and then I 1354 01:21:50.600 --> 01:21:53.439 have stopped. I don't really know how to interpret those 1355 01:21:53.520 --> 01:21:56.399 or really think about I never really put a lot 1356 01:21:56.439 --> 01:21:58.399 of thought into it. People have told me to think, 1357 01:21:58.479 --> 01:22:00.359 like find out more information. 1358 01:22:00.039 --> 01:22:01.520 And I'm like, I don't know. I just thought everybody 1359 01:22:01.640 --> 01:22:02.119 dreamed like this. 1360 01:22:04.279 --> 01:22:07.000 Well that's that's your parallel life. Yeah, so it's it's 1361 01:22:07.000 --> 01:22:13.039 simultaneously happening with this life. It's a really beautiful gift 1362 01:22:13.279 --> 01:22:16.479 that Toultec's actually work really hard to be able to 1363 01:22:16.560 --> 01:22:20.680 achieve what you've already achieved, you know. So it's it's 1364 01:22:20.760 --> 01:22:24.520 just really advanced and it's not typical, but you know, 1365 01:22:24.640 --> 01:22:26.920 it's when you have a gift like that. It's not 1366 01:22:27.039 --> 01:22:29.560 easy to have the gift because you like don't know 1367 01:22:29.600 --> 01:22:32.119 what to do with it, and you know, you don't 1368 01:22:32.119 --> 01:22:35.920 have the proper like sort of teachers and things to 1369 01:22:36.439 --> 01:22:39.640 figure out what to do with it all. But I 1370 01:22:39.680 --> 01:22:43.640 was with my friend on I mean, you know, I 1371 01:22:44.359 --> 01:22:47.319 was young, and he got out of jail and he 1372 01:22:47.399 --> 01:22:50.479 was schizophrenic and he wanted to take acid with us, 1373 01:22:50.520 --> 01:22:54.279 and his older brother said, don't you know, don't fucking 1374 01:22:54.359 --> 01:22:56.560 let him, dude, like you don't know what's going on. 1375 01:22:56.720 --> 01:23:00.199 But I did, and he shifted into one of this. 1376 01:23:00.840 --> 01:23:06.840 He started speaking as if he lived in England and 1377 01:23:07.039 --> 01:23:11.560 he you know, had had kids and was like telling 1378 01:23:11.640 --> 01:23:15.039 us all about his life, and for like two days 1379 01:23:15.079 --> 01:23:20.399 straight he was in his parallel being. It wasn't him. 1380 01:23:20.239 --> 01:23:23.520 Two days How much did you give him? 1381 01:23:24.760 --> 01:23:26.720 Just a hit of that, like a single hit? 1382 01:23:26.880 --> 01:23:27.800 God damn. 1383 01:23:29.359 --> 01:23:31.960 But but he was already you know, he was just 1384 01:23:32.960 --> 01:23:37.920 primed and ready. We had already taken lots of ecstasy 1385 01:23:38.000 --> 01:23:41.000 and LSD in the past, and he had spent a 1386 01:23:41.039 --> 01:23:49.319 lot of time and being traumatized and mental awards on 1387 01:23:49.439 --> 01:23:55.319 top of you know, jails and prisons. So different people 1388 01:23:55.439 --> 01:23:59.279 have different capacities. You know, that has nothing to do 1389 01:23:59.399 --> 01:24:03.279 with the out It has to do with this what 1390 01:24:03.680 --> 01:24:07.479 I referred to as the summage point, and so reading 1391 01:24:07.520 --> 01:24:11.199 the Constantata material really explains the nature of these things. 1392 01:24:11.920 --> 01:24:16.479 But yeah, these parallel lives are amazing. To one of 1393 01:24:16.479 --> 01:24:20.760 my teachers always feels like she's constantly having to pull 1394 01:24:20.760 --> 01:24:23.840 a gun. You know, she doesn't even have a gun, 1395 01:24:24.399 --> 01:24:28.159 but like she's walking down the street and she's just like, 1396 01:24:28.960 --> 01:24:32.239 you know, it's like really uncomfortable and like annoying that 1397 01:24:32.319 --> 01:24:35.520 she's constantly in this other layer of the union at 1398 01:24:35.520 --> 01:24:37.960 the same time or she's just trying to be a 1399 01:24:38.000 --> 01:24:44.920 normal person. So it's a really tricky thing. To figure 1400 01:24:44.960 --> 01:24:49.880 out the balance here, because we are a multiplicity of 1401 01:24:50.039 --> 01:24:53.800 being an awareness, and yet we're supposed to pretend to 1402 01:24:53.840 --> 01:24:56.920 be normal and function here. It's not easy. 1403 01:24:57.880 --> 01:25:01.119 It's not especially when I am daid dreaming and I 1404 01:25:01.199 --> 01:25:03.439 get sucked into it, like another place, and then I 1405 01:25:03.479 --> 01:25:06.479 can't get out of it, and I'm like, all day long, 1406 01:25:06.680 --> 01:25:09.800 I'm in this world and I'm just functioning here, but 1407 01:25:09.840 --> 01:25:13.600 I'm not actually, like it's crazy. I've actually driven long 1408 01:25:13.680 --> 01:25:18.319 distances and I've perfectly drive, not gonna harm nobody. 1409 01:25:18.000 --> 01:25:19.520 But I am literally not there. 1410 01:25:19.720 --> 01:25:23.840 I am totally off in another place and just functioning here, 1411 01:25:23.880 --> 01:25:27.840 but I'm someplace else, and it's I'm like, I hope 1412 01:25:27.840 --> 01:25:31.520 that I'm not a crazy person, because all daydream like. 1413 01:25:31.520 --> 01:25:34.079 That, like especially while driving or something like that. I'll 1414 01:25:34.199 --> 01:25:37.960 daydream dreaming while I'm sleeping. It sounds fun, It sounds 1415 01:25:38.000 --> 01:25:40.000 fun what y'all are able to do, and I wish 1416 01:25:40.079 --> 01:25:43.960 I was able to. But I'm man, Yeah, for the 1417 01:25:44.000 --> 01:25:47.119 one or two dreams a year I might have, they're 1418 01:25:47.279 --> 01:25:50.199 they're never really these like crazy, profound things. It's usually 1419 01:25:50.199 --> 01:25:52.520 something that I forget five minutes after I wake up. 1420 01:25:52.560 --> 01:25:56.319 But the daydreaming, though with my adhd ass. Yeah, I'd 1421 01:25:56.319 --> 01:25:57.560 be daydreaming all day long. 1422 01:25:57.680 --> 01:25:58.239 It's awesome. 1423 01:25:58.439 --> 01:26:04.279 But yeah, what do you think about ghosts? Like, how 1424 01:26:04.319 --> 01:26:07.880 do you how do you feel about spirits and stuff? 1425 01:26:07.960 --> 01:26:11.119 If we're living in a parallel and where you don't 1426 01:26:11.159 --> 01:26:13.199 have a pass in the future, we're all living right 1427 01:26:13.239 --> 01:26:16.520 now in the memory. What are they an echo of 1428 01:26:16.560 --> 01:26:19.239 the memory? Are they an echo of a time of 1429 01:26:19.279 --> 01:26:20.840 another person at some point? 1430 01:26:21.439 --> 01:26:25.760 Yeah, so everything's not linear, but we try to understand 1431 01:26:25.760 --> 01:26:29.479 it as if as if it is so. Like my 1432 01:26:29.560 --> 01:26:33.880 girlfriend died when she was nineteen, tragically in a car accident. 1433 01:26:33.960 --> 01:26:37.680 I was twenty one. Sorry, so yeah, we were really close. 1434 01:26:37.960 --> 01:26:42.800 But she showed up after she died, and she spoke 1435 01:26:42.880 --> 01:26:47.920 to me verbally out loud, like I was laying on 1436 01:26:47.960 --> 01:26:54.399 this couch in my room falling, and she said, it's okay, 1437 01:26:54.439 --> 01:26:58.239 a jol And it was like, I fucking I couldn't 1438 01:26:58.279 --> 01:27:02.800 handle it. I screamed, you know, I fucking lost it. 1439 01:27:02.880 --> 01:27:07.439 I was like the fuck And you know, but a 1440 01:27:07.479 --> 01:27:10.199 few months later she like showed up again and she 1441 01:27:10.399 --> 01:27:12.920 pulled me out my window, Like I walked right out 1442 01:27:12.960 --> 01:27:16.319 my window into this balcony and stepped off this ledge 1443 01:27:16.359 --> 01:27:19.960 and I did something physically I couldn't have done. I 1444 01:27:20.119 --> 01:27:23.279 like just my body just like exited the window and 1445 01:27:23.359 --> 01:27:27.159 like went outside, and she turned my body to the 1446 01:27:27.199 --> 01:27:29.800 north and then to the east and the south and 1447 01:27:29.880 --> 01:27:32.960 the west, and she just explained the world to me. 1448 01:27:34.640 --> 01:27:36.600 She taught me how to move my body in a 1449 01:27:36.640 --> 01:27:39.439 way that I wasn't physical. It was like it was 1450 01:27:39.520 --> 01:27:43.279 just turning on its own. And then I working with 1451 01:27:43.359 --> 01:27:47.560 mushrooms and LSTs at raves over the future, she would 1452 01:27:47.600 --> 01:27:48.279 teach me how. 1453 01:27:48.199 --> 01:27:51.640 To dance hall yeah. 1454 01:27:50.760 --> 01:27:56.039 Show up and like gave me this incredible experience of 1455 01:27:57.279 --> 01:28:01.720 you know, moving beyond my own limitations. And then she 1456 01:28:01.760 --> 01:28:04.960 became a guide and I went and worked with shamans 1457 01:28:04.960 --> 01:28:08.479 and they're like, who's your helper? Like she's really powerful 1458 01:28:09.119 --> 01:28:13.279 and like so I became connected to her more than 1459 01:28:13.319 --> 01:28:16.359 I was when she was here. But I do believe 1460 01:28:16.399 --> 01:28:22.920 she moved on, But she left all these teachings inside 1461 01:28:22.920 --> 01:28:27.840 of my lifetime. Like when she died, she like went 1462 01:28:27.960 --> 01:28:30.880 into all of my lifetime and like left these all 1463 01:28:30.920 --> 01:28:38.840 these really beautiful gifts. But she's also moved on. And 1464 01:28:39.199 --> 01:28:44.279 therefore the echo you talk about, it's like this it's 1465 01:28:44.319 --> 01:28:47.039 a real thing, you know, and it's because it's not linear. 1466 01:28:47.159 --> 01:28:50.079 We don't we can't make sense of it in a 1467 01:28:50.159 --> 01:28:52.640 linear fashion. It has to be understood in a way 1468 01:28:52.680 --> 01:28:53.920 that's more expansive. 1469 01:28:55.079 --> 01:29:00.439 Wow, that's when my grandma passed. I was my dad 1470 01:29:00.479 --> 01:29:01.199 and my grandma. 1471 01:29:02.319 --> 01:29:05.039 They both passed at hospice at home with me. 1472 01:29:06.000 --> 01:29:11.960 And when my grandma, she had experienced a stroke in 1473 01:29:12.000 --> 01:29:15.520 the middle of the night, and she was you know, 1474 01:29:16.039 --> 01:29:19.960 if anyone's ever experienced death, there's specific stages in how 1475 01:29:20.119 --> 01:29:24.319 people pass and she was very not aware of what 1476 01:29:24.479 --> 01:29:25.960 was around her or anything like that. 1477 01:29:26.479 --> 01:29:28.760 But in the final moments. 1478 01:29:28.439 --> 01:29:33.560 Before she passed, she shifted her She was looking behind 1479 01:29:33.600 --> 01:29:36.680 my shoulder and I was holding her hand, and she 1480 01:29:36.840 --> 01:29:40.000 turned and like her eyes just turned and looked straight 1481 01:29:40.000 --> 01:29:46.439 at me, and I felt like we were experiencing something. I'm 1482 01:29:46.479 --> 01:29:50.840 not gonna get emotional. It was really profound. And then 1483 01:29:50.880 --> 01:29:55.720 she passed away. And it was interesting because my her sister, 1484 01:29:56.000 --> 01:29:59.680 and my uncle and a couple other people all passed 1485 01:29:59.720 --> 01:30:04.319 on this same days of each other, and everybody had 1486 01:30:04.399 --> 01:30:07.880 said in their final moments that they had saw other 1487 01:30:08.000 --> 01:30:10.920 family members, and I felt like I had already felt 1488 01:30:10.960 --> 01:30:13.800 like my other family members were present with me behind 1489 01:30:13.840 --> 01:30:16.319 me and then it was like she was saying. 1490 01:30:16.520 --> 01:30:17.439 Her final goodbye. 1491 01:30:17.479 --> 01:30:19.720 But I'm not leaving, and I feel and I've talked 1492 01:30:19.760 --> 01:30:22.000 about it on the show before that I feel her 1493 01:30:22.159 --> 01:30:25.479 essence around me, and then I smell her before anything else. 1494 01:30:25.600 --> 01:30:28.840 I can she had a very distinct smell of perfume 1495 01:30:29.039 --> 01:30:31.880 and that she I like, I feel her, but I 1496 01:30:31.920 --> 01:30:32.720 don't feel her. 1497 01:30:32.760 --> 01:30:33.720 It's a weird thing. 1498 01:30:34.279 --> 01:30:37.000 But I see her in my dreams every now and again, 1499 01:30:37.560 --> 01:30:40.520 but it's not in the same way as I experience 1500 01:30:40.600 --> 01:30:43.119 other people in my dreams. It's like I. 1501 01:30:43.000 --> 01:30:46.479 Can see it's almost she's like a shimmery like glitter 1502 01:30:46.920 --> 01:30:50.560 almost of like she's there just letting me know. But 1503 01:30:50.760 --> 01:30:51.119 it's not. 1504 01:30:51.800 --> 01:30:54.359 I'm not fully here with you. I'm enjoying where I 1505 01:30:54.399 --> 01:30:57.680 am next. And so it's a it's an interesting thing. 1506 01:30:58.239 --> 01:31:02.720 Yeah, there's there are many many people that I have lost, 1507 01:31:03.159 --> 01:31:06.960 you know, that I'm in contact with, and each one 1508 01:31:07.079 --> 01:31:12.720 is different as to how intensely available they are. It 1509 01:31:12.720 --> 01:31:17.159 has to do with their awareness as when they died. 1510 01:31:17.319 --> 01:31:21.600 So like Erica, my girlfriend is very available, like this 1511 01:31:21.840 --> 01:31:26.920 really huge calmn of energy, and then I have friends 1512 01:31:26.920 --> 01:31:33.079 that are really very faint and everything in between. So 1513 01:31:33.159 --> 01:31:37.479 it's very fascinating. It's just sort it's sort of representative 1514 01:31:37.680 --> 01:31:41.520 of like my life. There's certain people that are larger 1515 01:31:41.520 --> 01:31:45.239 than life and there's people that are not as energized. Sure, 1516 01:31:46.239 --> 01:31:49.359 so it's just it sort of translates, you know, in 1517 01:31:49.439 --> 01:31:53.399 the ghost realm, and it's just fascinating. And we have 1518 01:31:53.479 --> 01:31:57.039 so much to learn from understanding that there. We're not alone. 1519 01:31:57.119 --> 01:32:02.479 We don't share this We're not Yeah, we share this 1520 01:32:02.560 --> 01:32:08.239 world with inorganic beings, creatures that don't have physical form 1521 01:32:08.359 --> 01:32:13.319 but are here. And there are ghosts that have a 1522 01:32:13.359 --> 01:32:18.680 hard time passing on or crossing and they get confused 1523 01:32:19.039 --> 01:32:23.279 and they hijack a home or they you know, they 1524 01:32:23.279 --> 01:32:31.439 possess people. They are in fear of what's next or 1525 01:32:31.720 --> 01:32:36.119 what judgments they might have of themselves. You know, they're 1526 01:32:36.159 --> 01:32:40.800 not able to really face that transition. So it's intense 1527 01:32:40.920 --> 01:32:44.439 to come to terms with the spirit world. There's all 1528 01:32:44.520 --> 01:32:48.800 kinds of beings that you can interact with and you know, 1529 01:32:48.840 --> 01:32:51.359 and it can be uncomfortable. The hair on the back 1530 01:32:51.399 --> 01:32:55.760 of your neck can you know, get risen and all that, 1531 01:32:55.840 --> 01:32:58.600 but eventually you learn to make peace with the fact 1532 01:32:58.600 --> 01:33:01.880 that we are more to this place than we were. 1533 01:33:01.720 --> 01:33:05.920 Told that being said, now it's kind of shifting gears, 1534 01:33:05.920 --> 01:33:06.960 but only slightly. 1535 01:33:07.960 --> 01:33:10.520 As far as the beings that. 1536 01:33:10.640 --> 01:33:14.640 May or may not be organic material. What is your 1537 01:33:14.800 --> 01:33:20.760 take on alien life? I'm just curious because we've had 1538 01:33:20.760 --> 01:33:23.079 this talk with so many different people, and some don't 1539 01:33:23.119 --> 01:33:26.560 believe in aliens, but they believe in demons. And some 1540 01:33:26.720 --> 01:33:29.399 will say that aliens are time travelers. They will say 1541 01:33:29.399 --> 01:33:33.000 they're interdimensional beings. Some say they are absolutely living into 1542 01:33:33.039 --> 01:33:36.079 ties from two galaxies over like, there's no right or 1543 01:33:36.119 --> 01:33:36.680 wrong on this. 1544 01:33:36.800 --> 01:33:39.000 It's all speculation and hypotheticals. 1545 01:33:39.319 --> 01:33:41.720 But as we're talking about these types of beings that 1546 01:33:42.359 --> 01:33:44.720 are there but are not there, and depending on who 1547 01:33:44.760 --> 01:33:47.479 you ask, gives a different answer. What is Joel's take 1548 01:33:47.640 --> 01:33:50.920 on alien life? 1549 01:33:51.159 --> 01:33:55.760 Thank you amazing question. So the Totecs, and I agree 1550 01:33:55.840 --> 01:34:00.880 with them, is that there are alien worlds, and. 1551 01:34:01.840 --> 01:34:04.000 But that do you mean on an ethereal plane or 1552 01:34:04.000 --> 01:34:05.560 do you mean actual planetaries. 1553 01:34:07.520 --> 01:34:09.920 It all has to do with the position of your 1554 01:34:10.039 --> 01:34:14.399 own perceptual mechanisms. So there is no outer world, there's 1555 01:34:14.479 --> 01:34:20.000 only the inner world. Everything is perception, okay, and so. 1556 01:34:21.960 --> 01:34:24.840 Which is really that's kind of deep? Are you saying 1557 01:34:24.880 --> 01:34:27.119 like Mars doesn't exist. 1558 01:34:27.279 --> 01:34:32.159 Well, Mars is likely a sun of a distant realm. Like, 1559 01:34:32.239 --> 01:34:34.960 it's not a physical place, it's just a light in 1560 01:34:35.000 --> 01:34:35.399 the sky. 1561 01:34:36.520 --> 01:34:37.479 So you're a flat earther. 1562 01:34:38.720 --> 01:34:41.199 No, I'm well, I mean I don't think flat Earth 1563 01:34:41.319 --> 01:34:47.720 is appropriate. I think that there's the heliocentric model is ridiculous. Right, 1564 01:34:47.800 --> 01:34:51.159 It's it's just retarded to the to the max. But 1565 01:34:51.600 --> 01:34:55.640 that doesn't mean that we have any understanding of the 1566 01:34:56.000 --> 01:35:00.039 realm in which we operate in. It's it's just a 1567 01:35:00.079 --> 01:35:06.399 completely psychedelic experience to be in a perceptual intensity. So 1568 01:35:08.239 --> 01:35:11.560 what we've been told by these beings that claim to 1569 01:35:11.680 --> 01:35:16.479 have these appropriate capacity to inspect what's going on is 1570 01:35:17.640 --> 01:35:22.159 it's I am convinced that they've been, you know, used 1571 01:35:22.159 --> 01:35:26.319 as a means to hypnotize humanity to the max. Right, 1572 01:35:26.399 --> 01:35:30.439 Like that's the main deceiving mechanism is to convince people, 1573 01:35:31.760 --> 01:35:37.640 right that there's another place to go. Okay, right, That's 1574 01:35:37.680 --> 01:35:41.319 like the moon is in a physical body, you can't 1575 01:35:41.439 --> 01:35:44.960 like create Like what Elon Musk is telling everyone right now, 1576 01:35:44.960 --> 01:35:47.359 We're going to go build a place there. That's not 1577 01:35:47.520 --> 01:35:50.920 possible because it's it's not a physical it's not a 1578 01:35:51.039 --> 01:35:56.439 rock either, is the Earth, though the Earth is in 1579 01:35:56.439 --> 01:36:00.560 a physical place, we're having a hallucination. 1580 01:36:01.279 --> 01:36:03.319 Like the actual matrix itself. 1581 01:36:03.359 --> 01:36:05.960 Do you believe like we're in the actual matrix kind 1582 01:36:05.960 --> 01:36:08.439 of like kind of like the movie where we're we're 1583 01:36:08.439 --> 01:36:10.439 like kind of hooked up to something. 1584 01:36:10.479 --> 01:36:12.159 We're in a dream state. 1585 01:36:12.479 --> 01:36:16.520 Kind of like. But it's not technological, it's just energetic. 1586 01:36:16.680 --> 01:36:19.600 So if you could go backwards through the stream of 1587 01:36:19.680 --> 01:36:24.039 consciousness to that which is projecting this experience, then you 1588 01:36:24.079 --> 01:36:30.840 could jump grooves to other worlds where you could encounter aliens. Okay, okay, 1589 01:36:30.960 --> 01:36:35.520 and those aliens are real, but they will like if 1590 01:36:35.520 --> 01:36:38.520 you were to go into their world and not be detached, 1591 01:36:38.560 --> 01:36:42.680 they would see you and come after you and crush you. 1592 01:36:44.720 --> 01:36:48.840 Like it's like fucking brutal. You would not want to 1593 01:36:48.880 --> 01:36:52.359 go there unless you'd become detached, and you would have 1594 01:36:52.439 --> 01:36:55.760 to act like they'd act. You have to shape shift 1595 01:36:56.000 --> 01:37:00.600 into the experience that they don't don't recognize you, which 1596 01:37:00.640 --> 01:37:04.840 is happening all the time in this world. So I 1597 01:37:04.960 --> 01:37:05.520 think that's. 1598 01:37:05.399 --> 01:37:08.840 Wrong here and they're acting like us, and that's what's 1599 01:37:08.920 --> 01:37:09.680 kind of happening. 1600 01:37:10.399 --> 01:37:13.560 Yeah, there's so many different visitors here that are pretending 1601 01:37:13.640 --> 01:37:18.039 to be human, but they're not, and your ability to 1602 01:37:18.159 --> 01:37:21.720 tell the difference will determine you trying. Your ability to 1603 01:37:21.760 --> 01:37:26.680 see energy vice versa, your ability to go to their 1604 01:37:26.760 --> 01:37:30.960 world without getting noticed will determine your capacity to survive. 1605 01:37:31.840 --> 01:37:34.680 So this is in a physical place. Mars is in 1606 01:37:34.760 --> 01:37:37.960 a physical place. But that doesn't mean we can't go 1607 01:37:38.039 --> 01:37:41.039 visit Mars. But we can't do it with our rocket 1608 01:37:41.039 --> 01:37:44.119 ship like they say, that's all total bullshit. 1609 01:37:44.520 --> 01:37:48.439 So if hypothetically visit them, the SpaceX makes it to 1610 01:37:48.439 --> 01:37:51.560 Mars in the next five years, ten years, who knows, 1611 01:37:52.079 --> 01:37:56.039 and we get actual human life walking around on Mars 1612 01:37:56.079 --> 01:37:58.439 and doing the things you think, there's a complete scio. 1613 01:37:59.640 --> 01:38:01.880 Yeah, it's like they're just going to Greenland. 1614 01:38:02.880 --> 01:38:05.039 Okay, okay, gotcha or whatever. 1615 01:38:05.159 --> 01:38:08.439 Like it's all just it's so ridiculous like that we 1616 01:38:08.439 --> 01:38:13.119 we you can't go through like everything. If if it 1617 01:38:13.159 --> 01:38:16.399 were the model that they said it was, we wouldn't 1618 01:38:16.439 --> 01:38:21.479 survive that journey. Okay, we don't have the tech, Like 1619 01:38:22.039 --> 01:38:24.560 it doesn't make any sense at all. We're not we're 1620 01:38:24.560 --> 01:38:25.119 not moving. 1621 01:38:25.239 --> 01:38:25.800 They're trying to. 1622 01:38:25.920 --> 01:38:28.720 They're trying to use bat blood to get us to 1623 01:38:29.119 --> 01:38:33.319 mutate our blood pretty much like genetic editing and sequencing 1624 01:38:33.560 --> 01:38:38.640 and using that blood to make us better to be 1625 01:38:38.680 --> 01:38:41.520 able to travel in space and to be able to survive. 1626 01:38:41.600 --> 01:38:42.520 They're also trying to. 1627 01:38:42.560 --> 01:38:48.159 Use potentially glitter as glitter fountains to change the atmosphere 1628 01:38:48.199 --> 01:38:51.560 on Mars to make it more habitable to fit our 1629 01:38:52.359 --> 01:38:56.840 needs as humans, because glitter actually is the way that 1630 01:38:56.880 --> 01:39:01.199 it's cut and stuff, but actually they're you and cloud seeding, 1631 01:39:01.239 --> 01:39:05.159 and so they're trying to change how that whole atmosphere 1632 01:39:05.319 --> 01:39:08.000 is to warm it up and to make it more 1633 01:39:08.520 --> 01:39:13.119 to make water happen pretty much. So those are kind 1634 01:39:13.119 --> 01:39:15.920 of what's been talked about in the sense of making 1635 01:39:15.960 --> 01:39:20.479 these things happen. So I don't know if those are real, 1636 01:39:20.920 --> 01:39:23.960 but that's kind of what the conversation has been about. 1637 01:39:24.640 --> 01:39:27.399 Yeah, I mean I don't perceive, I don't believe any 1638 01:39:27.439 --> 01:39:30.880 of that. I think it's all just story. Is I 1639 01:39:30.920 --> 01:39:37.520 don't think you know that we're dealing with reality when 1640 01:39:37.520 --> 01:39:40.720 we go into any of the NASA paradigms, like that 1641 01:39:41.000 --> 01:39:43.920 the Sun is not ninety three million miles away and 1642 01:39:43.960 --> 01:39:48.399 it's not blasting off all these solar flares. All that 1643 01:39:48.479 --> 01:39:51.520 is based on NASA, and NASA is the ultimate deceiver. 1644 01:39:53.479 --> 01:39:57.479 Everything is a massive hypnosis is to think in the 1645 01:39:57.520 --> 01:40:00.159 way that they've conditioned us, since we have to extract 1646 01:40:00.720 --> 01:40:05.039 from that deception, and that's social at its core, because 1647 01:40:05.079 --> 01:40:08.920 if you come out as saying the heliocentric model is nonsense, 1648 01:40:09.439 --> 01:40:12.840 you're going to be attacked, you know. But that's the 1649 01:40:12.880 --> 01:40:17.000 freedom is realizing that these people are the ultimate deceivers. 1650 01:40:18.279 --> 01:40:23.079 It's all bullshit. We have no idea what we're dealing with, 1651 01:40:23.239 --> 01:40:27.680 and nobody does, and anybody that claims to is absolutely insane. 1652 01:40:28.520 --> 01:40:32.199 And the majority of people believe that stuff that are 1653 01:40:32.199 --> 01:40:35.600 associated but it's all from the top down. So the 1654 01:40:35.640 --> 01:40:39.560 people that run this world know that that stuff's not true, 1655 01:40:39.960 --> 01:40:43.800 but they allow incredible amounts of people to perceive it 1656 01:40:43.840 --> 01:40:47.000 as such. So if David Eick were to ever come 1657 01:40:47.039 --> 01:40:50.119 out of the heliocentric model, he would come out of 1658 01:40:50.199 --> 01:40:52.640 hypnosis and be able to make sense of so many 1659 01:40:52.680 --> 01:40:56.359 of the things that he's already discovered. But because he's 1660 01:40:56.399 --> 01:41:01.479 still caught in that idea, he still thinks said Graham Hancock, 1661 01:41:01.600 --> 01:41:05.039 and all those people are accurate about their history, but 1662 01:41:05.119 --> 01:41:08.239 all that stuff is dude. 1663 01:41:07.920 --> 01:41:08.840 You hate listen. 1664 01:41:08.880 --> 01:41:13.079 I love Graham Hancock, I do for entertainment purposes. 1665 01:41:13.680 --> 01:41:16.039 I think I think he's phenomenal to listen to. 1666 01:41:17.039 --> 01:41:20.159 But trying to even because I'm a history buff, right 1667 01:41:20.279 --> 01:41:22.279 to try to listen to him and try to make 1668 01:41:22.279 --> 01:41:26.880 it line up with the smallest tidbit of historical accuracy. 1669 01:41:27.119 --> 01:41:30.920 Is it's like taking Star Wars to be a historical documentary. 1670 01:41:30.920 --> 01:41:33.800 It's it's entertainment. This is not what we're supposed to 1671 01:41:33.840 --> 01:41:35.439 apply to our actual lives. 1672 01:41:35.479 --> 01:41:37.640 You know, don't you hate on Star Wars? 1673 01:41:38.000 --> 01:41:42.680 Okay, I'm sorry. The Jedi actually never existed. I'm sorry 1674 01:41:42.680 --> 01:41:44.000 to be that one. 1675 01:41:44.199 --> 01:41:45.479 I guess you're right. I didn't. 1676 01:41:45.520 --> 01:41:49.319 I wasn't aligned years ago in a galaxy far away. 1677 01:41:49.359 --> 01:41:51.600 You're right, I don't be knowing. I just be thinking. 1678 01:41:51.680 --> 01:41:54.239 I guess I don't know Jesus Christ. 1679 01:41:54.239 --> 01:41:57.840 But I do believe that alien worlds exist, and I 1680 01:41:57.880 --> 01:42:01.359 believe we are capable of going into these other worlds, 1681 01:42:02.119 --> 01:42:04.920 and I think that they're meaningful and that we can 1682 01:42:05.039 --> 01:42:06.880 learn a lot from our relations. 1683 01:42:07.760 --> 01:42:08.000 You know. 1684 01:42:08.079 --> 01:42:14.399 And I'm not suggesting that there are not discoveries to 1685 01:42:14.479 --> 01:42:19.439 make through science that is being utilized through physics, but 1686 01:42:19.960 --> 01:42:23.720 even that the understanding of like nuclear physics and stuff 1687 01:42:23.720 --> 01:42:27.520 has been deceived. We've been We've been given a whole 1688 01:42:27.600 --> 01:42:33.359 storyline that's based on disease that isn't accurate, and it 1689 01:42:33.439 --> 01:42:36.520 really is a massive hypnosis to free yourself. So, like 1690 01:42:37.720 --> 01:42:41.560 Steve Young wrote a book called a Fool's Wisdom, and 1691 01:42:41.600 --> 01:42:47.520 he was a really you know, well indoctrinated, you know 1692 01:42:47.920 --> 01:42:53.319 scientists in the realm of nuclear physicists, being a nuclear physicist, 1693 01:42:53.439 --> 01:42:56.359 and he exposed the whole industry is everything we've been 1694 01:42:56.399 --> 01:43:05.720 told about war weapons, UFOs, you know, it's all interdimensional, 1695 01:43:05.880 --> 01:43:09.520 it's all it's all local, right, So like there is 1696 01:43:09.560 --> 01:43:13.079 an underworld, there is there are beings that there are 1697 01:43:13.199 --> 01:43:19.720 hidden bases, there are ships, there are systems, super advanced 1698 01:43:19.800 --> 01:43:26.840 AI material military developments that exist that have been you know, 1699 01:43:27.000 --> 01:43:30.439 kept from us so that it can appear to be otherworldly, 1700 01:43:31.079 --> 01:43:34.239 but it's really just local. Our ability to go to 1701 01:43:34.319 --> 01:43:37.399 other worlds has to do with what Costaneda wrote about, 1702 01:43:38.119 --> 01:43:40.319 and it has nothing to do with rocket ships. It 1703 01:43:40.359 --> 01:43:44.079 has to do with our perceptual capacity to go there 1704 01:43:44.119 --> 01:43:49.239 through the interdimensional layers, not the outer not the extra terrestrial. 1705 01:43:49.880 --> 01:43:52.560 In my opinion, I have. 1706 01:43:54.359 --> 01:43:57.439 So there's like a dream I've had a lot of 1707 01:43:57.600 --> 01:44:01.600 with like specific people over and over again, and it's weird. 1708 01:44:01.640 --> 01:44:05.159 I always meet in this central meeting place, so like 1709 01:44:05.319 --> 01:44:09.079 it's it's in the middle of a field, and it's 1710 01:44:09.119 --> 01:44:14.880 like everyone kind of porls in almost from different realms, 1711 01:44:15.319 --> 01:44:18.119 and it's always like it's like they it opens up 1712 01:44:18.159 --> 01:44:20.600 and everybody kind of comes in from different realms and 1713 01:44:20.640 --> 01:44:24.840 it's like in this central communal meeting place and it's 1714 01:44:24.880 --> 01:44:27.880 like the I wouldn't say everyone's the same. Certain people 1715 01:44:27.960 --> 01:44:31.000 I interact with all the time, and then there's other 1716 01:44:31.520 --> 01:44:34.359 people that are there. They're not even people, honestly, they're 1717 01:44:34.640 --> 01:44:36.359 I don't even know what they are. They don't look 1718 01:44:36.399 --> 01:44:39.000 like people, but they're very friendly and they're kind of 1719 01:44:39.039 --> 01:44:40.760 like all just doing their own thing. It's almost like 1720 01:44:40.800 --> 01:44:44.279 a big Saturday market, but from like everybody else from 1721 01:44:44.279 --> 01:44:48.960 different places. And I've had that dream for two decades probably, 1722 01:44:49.520 --> 01:44:52.000 and it's a it's a wild place, I mean I've 1723 01:44:52.000 --> 01:44:55.600 had They're very friendly and I can't talk a lot 1724 01:44:55.640 --> 01:44:58.199 of the languages and stuff. I've eaten a lot of 1725 01:44:58.239 --> 01:45:01.319 weird things and like like watched a lot of like 1726 01:45:01.439 --> 01:45:05.760 interesting interactions and stuff. And it always ends with a 1727 01:45:05.840 --> 01:45:09.880 campfire and me like saying I'll see you again, and 1728 01:45:09.920 --> 01:45:12.600 then that's and then it could be like I could 1729 01:45:12.600 --> 01:45:14.399 see them in six months, I could see them a 1730 01:45:14.479 --> 01:45:15.199 year from now. 1731 01:45:15.319 --> 01:45:17.800 And it just comes and goes, and I just show 1732 01:45:17.920 --> 01:45:20.479 up randomly. It's when I'm in the most deep sleep. 1733 01:45:20.800 --> 01:45:24.000 It's like it fades in really dark, like I'm almost 1734 01:45:24.000 --> 01:45:25.880 like black, and then all of a sudden, I'm like 1735 01:45:26.039 --> 01:45:29.000 waking up into this field and then I'm like, oh, 1736 01:45:29.159 --> 01:45:31.600 it's all the people I've met before. And I've had 1737 01:45:31.600 --> 01:45:34.399 that dream a lot. Like that's kind of where when 1738 01:45:34.439 --> 01:45:38.159 you're talking about other beings and like going other places, 1739 01:45:38.399 --> 01:45:41.439 that's the only like, really one thing that's happened a 1740 01:45:41.520 --> 01:45:44.680 lot is me going to this place where other people 1741 01:45:45.159 --> 01:45:47.760 or creatures or whatever we want to say, have been 1742 01:45:47.880 --> 01:45:50.880 coming into. Is that something like you're kind of talking about, 1743 01:45:50.920 --> 01:45:53.600 like if you don't actually accidentally get to these other 1744 01:45:53.640 --> 01:45:56.600 places that want to kill you, but you know, a 1745 01:45:56.880 --> 01:46:00.800 communal meeting ground in between, Yeah. 1746 01:46:00.640 --> 01:46:03.399 I mean forces rise to meet each other. Right, So 1747 01:46:03.479 --> 01:46:06.720 there's just as much support and networking as there is 1748 01:46:06.840 --> 01:46:11.840 interference to try to keep you from discovering that that 1749 01:46:11.880 --> 01:46:19.119 we're all connected. So I was super fortunate to be 1750 01:46:19.439 --> 01:46:23.520 in the presence of these beautiful yetti. They were white, 1751 01:46:24.079 --> 01:46:25.840 you know, they don't look like the way that they 1752 01:46:25.960 --> 01:46:30.560 appeared in like on social media, like really beautiful, soft energy. 1753 01:46:31.760 --> 01:46:35.880 And we were being hunted in the dream and there 1754 01:46:35.960 --> 01:46:41.439 was no fear. It was just like total joy and 1755 01:46:41.479 --> 01:46:44.399 it was so powerful, like so beautiful and. 1756 01:46:44.319 --> 01:46:48.399 Simple fear because the YETI knew that they weren't going 1757 01:46:48.479 --> 01:46:50.119 to get hit anyway, so it didn't matter. 1758 01:46:50.600 --> 01:46:53.279 I don't know what, I don't know. It was just 1759 01:46:53.399 --> 01:46:57.039 so crazy to me to be so experiencing so much 1760 01:46:57.119 --> 01:47:00.880 fear and so much like not fear at the same time. Wow, 1761 01:47:01.159 --> 01:47:06.159 Like their lack of fear made me fearless. It was 1762 01:47:06.199 --> 01:47:09.399 like we were protected by our joy. 1763 01:47:09.840 --> 01:47:10.239 Wow. 1764 01:47:10.880 --> 01:47:13.640 I guess if this reality here on this plane or 1765 01:47:13.680 --> 01:47:15.399 were you someplace else like. 1766 01:47:15.319 --> 01:47:18.119 You, I don't know. It was in a deep, deep, 1767 01:47:18.159 --> 01:47:23.680 deep dream, you know fault. Yeah, And I just you know, 1768 01:47:23.800 --> 01:47:26.520 I just I just believe that there's so many things 1769 01:47:26.560 --> 01:47:31.720 going on and that Yeah, there's these interdimensional like playgrounds 1770 01:47:31.720 --> 01:47:35.279 where people come and hang out and you know, talk 1771 01:47:35.520 --> 01:47:38.840 and tell, you know, exchange stories about what they're going 1772 01:47:38.880 --> 01:47:42.479 through back in their world, and we just don't we 1773 01:47:42.560 --> 01:47:45.279 just don't acknowledge how amazing we are, and so we 1774 01:47:45.840 --> 01:47:49.520 think of these things as imagination. But I think that 1775 01:47:49.560 --> 01:47:52.199 what you experience is real. I think what I experienced 1776 01:47:52.279 --> 01:47:57.159 is real. I think they're helping me right now. You know, 1777 01:47:57.239 --> 01:48:00.800 all the time I made a connection with them. I 1778 01:48:00.920 --> 01:48:05.760 had a medicine woman lend me her helpers, and she 1779 01:48:06.359 --> 01:48:11.079 had already bridged a relationship with these particular type of yetti's. 1780 01:48:11.119 --> 01:48:15.000 So I don't think it's just random. I think they 1781 01:48:15.039 --> 01:48:19.239 came to me because my teacher gifted them to me. 1782 01:48:20.880 --> 01:48:26.640 So I think there's there's encounters that are more intentional, 1783 01:48:26.680 --> 01:48:33.960 and then there's ones that are just random. But regardless, 1784 01:48:34.000 --> 01:48:36.840 that doesn't make one thing more important than the other. 1785 01:48:37.640 --> 01:48:41.640 You know, you're you're probably more advanced in your dream 1786 01:48:42.199 --> 01:48:45.279 dreaming than I am, based on what you've shared with me. 1787 01:48:47.159 --> 01:48:50.279 It's just a matter of realizing that and then taking 1788 01:48:50.399 --> 01:48:54.920 action to make use of your gift rather than like 1789 01:48:56.920 --> 01:48:59.680 question it your whole life, like you can spend your 1790 01:48:59.720 --> 01:49:01.960 whole lif I've been like, oh what the fuck? You know, 1791 01:49:02.479 --> 01:49:06.960 what is this shit? Or you can like what we 1792 01:49:07.079 --> 01:49:09.960 say is you either use your medicine or it turns 1793 01:49:10.039 --> 01:49:10.680 against you. 1794 01:49:11.520 --> 01:49:11.840 Mhm. 1795 01:49:12.039 --> 01:49:14.800 So you want to you want to be thankful for 1796 01:49:14.880 --> 01:49:18.479 your gifts rather than think of them as curses mm, 1797 01:49:19.439 --> 01:49:24.359 and start to engage with them at some point when 1798 01:49:24.359 --> 01:49:27.720 you feel ready, you know, and then you'll be able 1799 01:49:27.800 --> 01:49:34.279 to validate these things for yourself. Wow. 1800 01:49:34.600 --> 01:49:39.319 I've definitely gotten a lot better, I would say, over 1801 01:49:39.359 --> 01:49:43.840 the last probably decade with understanding the dreams, or at 1802 01:49:43.920 --> 01:49:46.319 least working through the dreams. 1803 01:49:47.920 --> 01:49:51.039 I watched that movie Inception, and I really thought a 1804 01:49:51.119 --> 01:49:52.359 long time on the. 1805 01:49:52.279 --> 01:49:56.800 Movie because I just it was it was an interesting 1806 01:49:57.039 --> 01:50:00.039 concept because it was like, Okay, I I know, you 1807 01:50:00.079 --> 01:50:02.640 know what it feels like to be in a dream 1808 01:50:03.119 --> 01:50:06.039 and realize you're in a dream or have a fixed 1809 01:50:06.079 --> 01:50:10.239 point of something and being like, hmm, this doesn't seem right. 1810 01:50:10.760 --> 01:50:14.960 And I've only had it one time that I can remember, 1811 01:50:15.399 --> 01:50:19.199 but I had like a three layer dream where I 1812 01:50:19.319 --> 01:50:21.720 woke up and I had to force myself to wake 1813 01:50:21.800 --> 01:50:24.720 up again, and then I knew that I still wasn't 1814 01:50:24.760 --> 01:50:28.119 actually awake, but it was it was almost like wading 1815 01:50:28.159 --> 01:50:33.079 through quicksand to get to the last level to wake up, 1816 01:50:33.680 --> 01:50:38.319 and it was a wild The whole thing start to 1817 01:50:38.399 --> 01:50:42.039 finish was just crazy. I felt like I was in 1818 01:50:42.119 --> 01:50:45.199 there for a decade when I woke up. I was 1819 01:50:45.359 --> 01:50:50.319 so just exhausted waking up from it, and it was 1820 01:50:50.840 --> 01:50:52.920 it wasn't anything super negative. 1821 01:50:53.079 --> 01:50:54.319 I was experiencing. 1822 01:50:54.439 --> 01:50:58.079 I was working through some trauma in the first two 1823 01:50:58.159 --> 01:51:01.199 layers that I had experience in my life, and the 1824 01:51:01.239 --> 01:51:04.560 third layer was like trying to let go and move forward. 1825 01:51:05.239 --> 01:51:08.560 So that was the really that was the hardest part, 1826 01:51:08.680 --> 01:51:11.880 because it was like trying to be like, Okay, I 1827 01:51:11.920 --> 01:51:14.199 want to move on, and I know I'm in a 1828 01:51:14.279 --> 01:51:16.039 dream and I'm tired of being in this stream, and 1829 01:51:16.079 --> 01:51:17.199 i want to get out of this stream. 1830 01:51:17.199 --> 01:51:18.720 I want to go back to my real life. 1831 01:51:19.199 --> 01:51:22.239 And that was I've only really experienced that one time, 1832 01:51:22.800 --> 01:51:25.600 and that was about a year after I lost my grandma, 1833 01:51:26.159 --> 01:51:29.920 And so that was a really intense dream at least 1834 01:51:30.000 --> 01:51:31.880 for me to try to you know, and then you 1835 01:51:31.960 --> 01:51:34.399 talk to people about it, you're like, oh, you're just crazy, 1836 01:51:34.439 --> 01:51:37.119 and it's like but like I woke up and I 1837 01:51:37.199 --> 01:51:41.319 felt like I had done so much in this short 1838 01:51:41.359 --> 01:51:43.359 amount of time, but I felt like I had lived 1839 01:51:43.800 --> 01:51:46.079 so long inside of these dreams. 1840 01:51:46.520 --> 01:51:50.119 It was crazy, Yeah, oh you did you know? 1841 01:51:51.000 --> 01:51:55.840 So, like for the Toll text, they can go into 1842 01:51:55.960 --> 01:52:00.199 a dream world where they spend ten years, but they 1843 01:52:00.239 --> 01:52:02.119 come back and it was only ten seconds. 1844 01:52:03.640 --> 01:52:06.319 Hmm, right, And so that's what it feels like. 1845 01:52:06.760 --> 01:52:13.640 Yeah, and the dreaming gates. So Inception and the Matrix 1846 01:52:13.680 --> 01:52:18.439 were both written because of the Costaneda books. They couldn't 1847 01:52:18.479 --> 01:52:21.680 have wrote those books without the Castaneda books. They are 1848 01:52:21.760 --> 01:52:25.600 the premise for those understandings. If you can go to 1849 01:52:25.680 --> 01:52:29.640 sleep in a dream, or go to sleep tonight, maybe 1850 01:52:30.119 --> 01:52:33.800 on your left side or on your back, and you 1851 01:52:34.119 --> 01:52:37.920 enter into a dream, if you can go find a 1852 01:52:38.000 --> 01:52:40.399 bed and lay down in the same position that you 1853 01:52:40.479 --> 01:52:44.039 want to sleep in in your normal life, and then 1854 01:52:44.119 --> 01:52:47.239 wake up in another dream and then do it again, 1855 01:52:47.439 --> 01:52:50.560 you'll be waking up in the third gate of dreaming. 1856 01:52:50.640 --> 01:52:53.000 And it's more real there than it is here. 1857 01:52:53.760 --> 01:52:56.239 It really felt like it was deeply real. I mean 1858 01:52:56.359 --> 01:52:59.720 it took me a long time to realize that it 1859 01:52:59.760 --> 01:53:03.079 was dream. I was really struggling. I thought I had 1860 01:53:03.119 --> 01:53:06.239 finally woken up, and you know, it just was like 1861 01:53:06.279 --> 01:53:08.359 a it was like an itch in the back of 1862 01:53:08.399 --> 01:53:11.640 my mind of like this isn't real, Like this isn't 1863 01:53:11.920 --> 01:53:14.920 this isn't where you're supposed to be, Like this is 1864 01:53:14.960 --> 01:53:18.319 you're experiencing it. But I normally actually fall asleep on 1865 01:53:18.319 --> 01:53:24.359 my left side actually, and it's definitely dreaming is very intense. 1866 01:53:24.520 --> 01:53:27.680 It can be some of them are very scary, not 1867 01:53:27.880 --> 01:53:30.640 a lot, but some of them are have shown me 1868 01:53:31.039 --> 01:53:32.359 true characters of people. 1869 01:53:32.960 --> 01:53:37.039 Yeah, like the you know, they're presenting themselves as one way, 1870 01:53:37.079 --> 01:53:38.560 and everyone around you is. 1871 01:53:39.039 --> 01:53:40.359 They're the best people ever. 1872 01:53:40.439 --> 01:53:42.920 And it's just like I have a dream about them, 1873 01:53:42.960 --> 01:53:44.840 and then I have another dream and I'm just like, 1874 01:53:45.159 --> 01:53:48.279 they're not what they seem. I really don't like them. 1875 01:53:48.359 --> 01:53:51.680 I don't believe them, and then lo and behold. Eventually 1876 01:53:51.720 --> 01:53:54.680 it comes out that like, oh no, they were actually 1877 01:53:54.760 --> 01:53:55.520 crappy people. 1878 01:53:55.920 --> 01:53:57.439 It's just they're really good at deception. 1879 01:53:58.239 --> 01:54:00.720 Wow. Yeah, there's so many layers. So that so like 1880 01:54:01.960 --> 01:54:05.319 when you are dreaming at night and you you know, 1881 01:54:06.279 --> 01:54:08.680 for one, even if you don't remember your dreams, it 1882 01:54:08.680 --> 01:54:11.239 doesn't mean you're dream you're not dreaming, it's just that 1883 01:54:11.319 --> 01:54:17.119 you don't remember them. So everybody dreams constantly. It's just 1884 01:54:17.159 --> 01:54:21.000 that your perception moves to such a far place that 1885 01:54:21.079 --> 01:54:24.720 when you come back it's just all material that's unavailable. 1886 01:54:25.439 --> 01:54:28.920 So it's actually a good sign. That means you're moving 1887 01:54:29.039 --> 01:54:31.479 really far away from your normal perception. 1888 01:54:34.119 --> 01:54:36.800 No, they've done studies on me. They've done scans while 1889 01:54:36.800 --> 01:54:40.439 I was asleep. My brain is basically dead, aside from 1890 01:54:40.520 --> 01:54:44.199 keeping my heart pumping and my lungs inflating. I don't dream, man, 1891 01:54:44.239 --> 01:54:46.560 I'm basically in a coma. And don't get me wrong, 1892 01:54:47.119 --> 01:54:48.680 in a certain regard, I get. 1893 01:54:48.560 --> 01:54:50.079 Some really good sleep. 1894 01:54:50.239 --> 01:54:52.920 I'm be honest with the second tone of that, though, 1895 01:54:53.520 --> 01:54:55.960 I really wish I could dream like y'all. It sounds 1896 01:54:56.000 --> 01:54:57.439 like a good time, it really does. 1897 01:54:58.319 --> 01:55:01.039 It's a party, man, I'm not here eating some random 1898 01:55:01.039 --> 01:55:03.000 shit with some some other aliens. 1899 01:55:05.439 --> 01:55:08.800 Well, and I don't. I don't. I don't believe the 1900 01:55:08.880 --> 01:55:12.399 people that are telling you that your activity isn't active 1901 01:55:12.560 --> 01:55:15.479 like I think that's probably means you're even further away. 1902 01:55:16.079 --> 01:55:19.159 It's the not doing when you're not active, where the 1903 01:55:19.199 --> 01:55:24.039 most magic happens. So if you can shut down the brain, 1904 01:55:24.319 --> 01:55:27.960 if you can go into the not doing, right, this 1905 01:55:28.039 --> 01:55:31.520 whole place is doing. If you cannot do, that's where 1906 01:55:31.520 --> 01:55:32.960 the real magic happens. 1907 01:55:33.039 --> 01:55:36.800 So I agree, every guy's got a nothing box up top. 1908 01:55:36.920 --> 01:55:38.279 That is my magic box. 1909 01:55:38.319 --> 01:55:39.800 That's where the best things take place. 1910 01:55:39.800 --> 01:55:44.680 You're right about that, But yeah. 1911 01:55:44.600 --> 01:55:49.359 These are these beings that we are dreaming with at night. 1912 01:55:49.479 --> 01:55:52.359 We might think we're talking to our aunt or uncle 1913 01:55:52.520 --> 01:55:56.680 or mom or cousin or girlfriend, but if you really 1914 01:55:56.680 --> 01:56:02.359 look in their eyes, there's something really not normal. They're 1915 01:56:02.359 --> 01:56:07.159 not human. They're just shape shifters pretending to be your 1916 01:56:07.199 --> 01:56:11.720 aunt or uncle or grandpa or whatever. And so we 1917 01:56:11.800 --> 01:56:15.159 want to understand that that we're dealing with interdimensional beings 1918 01:56:15.159 --> 01:56:19.119 that are shape shifters that are pretending to be people 1919 01:56:19.199 --> 01:56:22.079 that we are familiar with, and that's how they get 1920 01:56:22.079 --> 01:56:25.319 a rise out of our energy. And so, like, I'll 1921 01:56:25.359 --> 01:56:27.319 be hanging out with my uncle and then all of 1922 01:56:27.319 --> 01:56:30.640 a sudden, my uncle has become my grandma. Then my 1923 01:56:30.720 --> 01:56:34.479 grandma has become my girlfriend. I'm like, this is disgusting. 1924 01:56:34.640 --> 01:56:37.520 What the fuck kind of weird shit is happening? Like, 1925 01:56:37.960 --> 01:56:41.000 but I can't catch it in time, you know, And 1926 01:56:41.039 --> 01:56:45.000 I'm caught in all this weird confusion around all the 1927 01:56:45.039 --> 01:56:47.800 things that you know, like are the most disturbing is 1928 01:56:48.399 --> 01:56:52.720 because of all the confusion that they manifest. So I'm 1929 01:56:52.720 --> 01:56:56.000 not saying everybody experiences this, but once you reach a 1930 01:56:56.039 --> 01:56:59.479 certain threshold of being able to do dreaming, you're going 1931 01:56:59.560 --> 01:57:05.640 to be fronted with all kinds of deception and tricks 1932 01:57:05.680 --> 01:57:10.720 and layers and becoming more discerning about you know, so 1933 01:57:10.800 --> 01:57:13.520 hopefully you can learn to wake yourself up before you're 1934 01:57:13.560 --> 01:57:17.479 about to do something. Like a lot of guys they're 1935 01:57:17.520 --> 01:57:22.720 seduced by sucking best energies in their dreams, women that 1936 01:57:22.800 --> 01:57:24.960 are trying to have sex with them, But it's really 1937 01:57:25.000 --> 01:57:28.000 not It's not what you think it is. It's not 1938 01:57:28.159 --> 01:57:32.399 something you want to be exchanging energy with you So, 1939 01:57:32.720 --> 01:57:37.079 like that stuff sucks, but that's the reality, you know. 1940 01:57:37.239 --> 01:57:40.720 And for women it's not as intense because a lot 1941 01:57:40.720 --> 01:57:44.960 of these energies that are predatory in the dream world 1942 01:57:44.960 --> 01:57:53.279 are female and they're seeking male energy because they're in 1943 01:57:53.319 --> 01:57:59.079 a female world and they're visiting us from a different 1944 01:58:00.079 --> 01:58:04.720 experience entirely. So just a lot to consider about, you know, 1945 01:58:04.800 --> 01:58:08.159 how different, how different men and women are, and the 1946 01:58:08.199 --> 01:58:13.399 different challenges that they face, not only in this dream 1947 01:58:14.119 --> 01:58:17.920 but in the dream time. I'm not saying women don't 1948 01:58:17.920 --> 01:58:20.920 have a hard time here at all, and it's the opposite. 1949 01:58:20.960 --> 01:58:24.119 I think women have an even more difficult time here 1950 01:58:25.159 --> 01:58:29.880 because of how perverted and inverted, you know, and how 1951 01:58:29.960 --> 01:58:34.000 much pressure is put on women in order to be 1952 01:58:34.159 --> 01:58:39.159 a certain way. It's just we're in a really difficult 1953 01:58:39.199 --> 01:58:43.159 situation with a lot of forces that are higher on 1954 01:58:43.199 --> 01:58:45.039 the food chain that ch had to sort of like 1955 01:58:45.119 --> 01:58:46.680 puppeteer this whole place. 1956 01:58:48.000 --> 01:58:53.479 Wow, man, Joe, you have blown our minds thoroughly on 1957 01:58:53.520 --> 01:58:55.760 this episode. For any of the cult members, and for 1958 01:58:55.800 --> 01:58:57.760 the record, that's what we call our listeners, the cult 1959 01:58:57.760 --> 01:59:00.600 of conspiracy, that type. 1960 01:59:00.399 --> 01:59:00.920 Of you know. 1961 01:59:00.960 --> 01:59:03.319 I was laughing about that earlier. I was like, Man, 1962 01:59:03.359 --> 01:59:06.680 he's going to hear the cult like what, Yeah. 1963 01:59:06.319 --> 01:59:07.600 I'd be like it. I love it. 1964 01:59:07.640 --> 01:59:09.079 But for any of our cult members that want to 1965 01:59:09.119 --> 01:59:11.319 reach out to you, want to see your work, want 1966 01:59:11.359 --> 01:59:14.880 to hear more things about what you have to say 1967 01:59:14.960 --> 01:59:17.920 on these topics, where can they find you? Give yourself 1968 01:59:17.960 --> 01:59:19.479 all the shameless plugs? 1969 01:59:20.399 --> 01:59:24.920 Yeah. Man. I have a YouTube channel called Perceiver. I 1970 01:59:24.960 --> 01:59:28.640 have a website called Joel Shaffer dot com. I'm on 1971 01:59:29.199 --> 01:59:33.199 Instagram at Joel dot Shaefer. I've done a bunch of 1972 01:59:33.239 --> 01:59:37.560 interviews with archaics. It's a big deal on YouTube right now. 1973 01:59:38.760 --> 01:59:42.319 So and I'm going to be at Confluence at a 1974 01:59:42.439 --> 01:59:47.359 Truther community event in Texas April twenty second through the 1975 01:59:47.399 --> 01:59:53.359 twenty eighth, and it's Alex Zach and Eileen Mukissick and 1976 01:59:53.439 --> 01:59:56.479 all the major heads that are you know, waking people 1977 01:59:56.560 --> 02:00:00.760 up these days. So yeah, just tap into any one 1978 02:00:00.800 --> 02:00:04.039 of those ways to connect. And I do free consoles, 1979 02:00:04.079 --> 02:00:06.439 so feel free to reach out and we can do 1980 02:00:06.560 --> 02:00:09.840 thirty minutes and just talk about stuff and see what 1981 02:00:10.520 --> 02:00:11.600 you know as possible. 1982 02:00:12.279 --> 02:00:14.399 Yes, indeed, thank you. 1983 02:00:14.359 --> 02:00:16.359 So much for coming on. It's been such a pleasure 1984 02:00:16.439 --> 02:00:16.880 having you. 1985 02:00:17.119 --> 02:00:19.319 Thanks for having me. Yeah, no, good to means you good. 1986 02:00:19.880 --> 02:00:21.560 Uh. You know, as we've been talking about so many 1987 02:00:21.640 --> 02:00:24.319 things in the dream world, the ethereal world, you know, 1988 02:00:24.359 --> 02:00:26.800 I think it's also important that we do keep ourselves 1989 02:00:26.840 --> 02:00:30.159 grounded into this world, and a portion that would be 1990 02:00:30.239 --> 02:00:32.800 financial grounding. 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