Speaker 1: Oh bed of far Hello and welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: This is the Cult of Conspiracy and I am the
Speaker 1: Cajun Night and today we have one a very special guest.
Speaker 1: I'm honestly not even sure who referred us to you
Speaker 1: or you to us, or vice versa. Here we've got
Speaker 1: told by multiple people that we need to have you
Speaker 1: on the show. Ladies and gentlemen, members of the Cult.
Speaker 1: Joe Schaeffer, what's going on? Brother?
Speaker 2: Amen? So much, dude, amazing life. Everything's powerful right now
Speaker 2: and yeah, just crazy times we live in. So it's
Speaker 2: good to be on with you. Guys.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it is wild times right now. So you're give
Speaker 1: me a little bit more about your background here. I've
Speaker 1: seen some clips of you. I know that you do
Speaker 1: a lot as far as dream work and shadow work
Speaker 1: and things like this, but what is your background in
Speaker 1: credentials and how'd you get started all this type of work.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, when I was thirteen, I took
Speaker 2: LSD and had a breakthrough. The first like second it
Speaker 2: hit me. It was like something clicked and I was.
Speaker 1: Like thirteen, yeah, yeah, brother, whoa yeah.
Speaker 3: All right, hell yah?
Speaker 2: So you know, but yeah, I mean I pushed it
Speaker 2: like early on I was really trying. I looked at
Speaker 2: it like a solution, wait, maybe a way to come
Speaker 2: out of hypnosis. And I found some older people that
Speaker 2: were willing to, you know, really go for it with me.
Speaker 2: And I had an incredible life, spent most of it
Speaker 2: in nature, you know, in the mountains, hiking, and we
Speaker 2: were doing Parker before Parker was called Parker. We were
Speaker 2: just figuring out how to face our fear, you know,
Speaker 2: on psychedelics.
Speaker 3: What part of the country are you from.
Speaker 2: I grew up in Seattle area, so I was just
Speaker 2: trumping around the woods up in the Pacific Northwest.
Speaker 1: You gave p and w you know, energy. But I
Speaker 1: didn't want to just say that, you know what I
Speaker 1: mean where I'm that's.
Speaker 3: How I know.
Speaker 4: That's where I'm from too. And I was like, I
Speaker 4: feel like I might. I was like, maybe it was
Speaker 4: my circle of friends that was the ones that referred
Speaker 4: to you. I'm pretty positive because I was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm from Oregon, so I grew up.
Speaker 5: I grew up underneath the mount hood.
Speaker 2: Oh cool, Yeah, I love Oregon too. I lived in
Speaker 2: Applegate outside in Jacksonville, growing gonje up in the mountains
Speaker 2: for a while too, and I lived in Bend, Oregon
Speaker 2: for many years. I ran a construction company out there.
Speaker 2: But yeah, man, I mean I had an amazing childhood.
Speaker 2: You know. My sister's boyfriend woke me up when I
Speaker 2: was twelve years old two in the morning and said,
Speaker 2: I'm going to teach you how to drink and so, like,
Speaker 2: you know, it's a pretty intense sort of thing. And
Speaker 2: if I ever find that dude, I'll probably beat his
Speaker 2: ass just for the hell of it. But yea, at
Speaker 2: the same time, that's that's the way the world is.
Speaker 2: There's people like that, you know. And my parents didn't
Speaker 2: know that by leaving me with my sister that they
Speaker 2: were just opening me up to everything. Right, she was seventeen,
Speaker 2: I was twelve, and boom, I'm just like, by thirteen
Speaker 2: years old, I'm selling LSD to like thirty year old
Speaker 2: gangsters and Tacoma and like downtown Seattle, like hardcore like
Speaker 2: crips and bloods and Mexican gangs. And I was getting
Speaker 2: picked up in junior high by like like twenty five
Speaker 2: year old Latino gangsters and like a hoop tie and
Speaker 2: just like drinking, smoking, taking mushrooms LSD like daily. You know,
Speaker 2: I was really smart, so I could I could cheat
Speaker 2: and get through school somehow, like I knew how to
Speaker 2: tweak the system. But at sixteen years old, I met
Speaker 2: a shaman and he got me like sober and celibate
Speaker 2: and like really wanted into like a much deeper version
Speaker 2: of discovering perception, you know, so like he was super powerful.
Speaker 3: You were sixteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so from the time you were thirteen to the
Speaker 1: time you were sixteen, that was a hard three years.
Speaker 3: And just to backtrack a bit here, who was your plug?
Speaker 1: As far as the LSD was concerned, Most thirteen year
Speaker 1: olds do not have access to pure acid. I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: but if you do, it might be like for your
Speaker 1: own use, you're not going to be like a plug.
Speaker 3: So were you You weren't making it yourself?
Speaker 2: No, I just was able. I knew people that were
Speaker 2: you know, had vials and sheets, and it was just
Speaker 2: I was just hanging out with an older crowd. Man.
Speaker 2: I just I was I got hurt. I got beat up.
Speaker 2: People didn't want little kid around hanging out with all
Speaker 2: these at these parties. But I had people that were like, no, dude,
Speaker 2: he's cool. And it was just this whole like thing,
Speaker 2: like you know, it was. It wasn't an uh, it
Speaker 2: was my nervous system was very dysregulated. I was always
Speaker 2: constantly on the edge. But at the same time, I,
Speaker 2: you know, on some level, I wouldn't change it at all.
Speaker 2: Like it kind of pulled me out of hypnosis at
Speaker 2: a young age, and I could see through a lot
Speaker 2: of the bullshit early on because of it. I hung
Speaker 2: out with release I kick people, functional schizophrenics, I should say,
Speaker 2: there you go, you know, yeah, just like really dynamic,
Speaker 2: intense people that you know, and I helped people. I
Speaker 2: would I would babysit schizophrenic people and keep them out
Speaker 2: of jail or prison, and they would keep me entertained.
Speaker 2: And that was like this unspoken fucking deal that I
Speaker 2: knew how to get through each night without getting arrested.
Speaker 2: I just had that intuition to me. And I was
Speaker 2: really into the like the more spiritual side of the
Speaker 2: medicine rather than the like party side of it. And
Speaker 2: I was really good at saying no to like cocaine,
Speaker 2: and like, I was just really good at understanding what
Speaker 2: was going to work and what was going to just
Speaker 2: destroy us, you know, And like so I just had
Speaker 2: that discernment at a young age, and I just was.
Speaker 2: But but at sixteen, you know, to walk away from
Speaker 2: all of it and go really into the woods and
Speaker 2: just train with this dude. It balanced the fact that
Speaker 2: I partied so hard so early and like reset my system.
Speaker 1: So this shaman that you met at sixteen, tell us
Speaker 1: about how did you meet him? Where did he come from?
Speaker 1: Is he still a part of your life today? What's
Speaker 1: the story here?
Speaker 2: I knew about him my whole life almost he was around.
Speaker 2: He was not much older than me, like four years older.
Speaker 2: Everybody was always like, what's up with that dude? Like
Speaker 2: he's not even human, Like there's something different about him.
Speaker 2: He was a pro skater at one point and was
Speaker 2: doing the most insane, reckless shit I've ever seen on
Speaker 2: a skateboard, and he was always injured, but he could
Speaker 2: heal himself like quickly, like in a tenth of the
Speaker 2: time that it should take. He was just really badass
Speaker 2: as far as like fearlessness. So the park horseshit that
Speaker 2: he taught us in the woods was like next level.
Speaker 2: I've still yet to ever see anybody do what he did.
Speaker 2: And we were doing it on mushrooms. We were doing it,
Speaker 2: you know, like in a way that was really a dynamic.
Speaker 2: So you know, he just was a self taught sort
Speaker 2: of crazy person that ended up with delusions of grandeur
Speaker 2: and so I had to get away from him. But
Speaker 2: for a long time, I thought I found the most
Speaker 2: you know, powerful dude that existed, and I was pretty
Speaker 2: high on that.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's a very enigmatic personality, had the
Speaker 1: whole I don't want to say savior complex, but almost
Speaker 1: like he was untouchable and could do no wrong and
Speaker 1: could never be hurt.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've heard, we've heard of cult leaders are very similar.
Speaker 6: Sounds like a cult leader, Yeah, yeah, no time it
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, And I mean he, you know, probably to
Speaker 6: this day, still thinks that it's that's how this place operates.
Speaker 2: If you come out of victimhood enough, it's going to
Speaker 2: try to the program is going to try to convince
Speaker 2: you that you're special and that you're a of others
Speaker 2: than your your neo you're the one, you know. So
Speaker 2: it's just it's crazy to watch. And I know a
Speaker 2: lot of really powerful men that have fallen susceptible to
Speaker 2: that program.
Speaker 4: Yeah wow, wow, And how did you how did you
Speaker 4: get to where you are now? Because I was watching
Speaker 4: some of your I was just kind of going through
Speaker 4: some of the clips that you had, just kind of
Speaker 4: touching base and stuff, and how did you get into
Speaker 4: this line of work that you're in now, and like
Speaker 4: how did you become a part of any of this stuff?
Speaker 4: And shifting from that kind of intense childhood into meeting
Speaker 4: this shaman type guy and then getting away from that
Speaker 4: person and kind of finding yourself and still believing, like
Speaker 4: and still seeing through the veil pretty much totally.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know so, I mean when I met that
Speaker 2: shaman at sixteen, the whole base of of what we
Speaker 2: were learning was based on Carlos Costanedo books, and so
Speaker 2: we were reading those books and kind of, you know,
Speaker 2: like to the point that it was like an obsession.
Speaker 2: We were really invested in understanding them. And they're really powerful.
Speaker 2: Whether they're made up or not. You know, I don't
Speaker 2: believe they are. I went on to train with many
Speaker 2: shamans throughout my life, and many the real ones have
Speaker 2: told me that Carlos and Don Juan and all those
Speaker 2: people involved in those books are the real deal and
Speaker 2: that they really did exist. But those books are enough
Speaker 2: you don't even need a teacher. If you understand how
Speaker 2: potent those books are. And so I was constantly going
Speaker 2: and trying to find teachers that could that could handle
Speaker 2: the questions that I had based on those books. And
Speaker 2: there's also some female authors named Taysha Avalar and Florida
Speaker 2: on her Crow. There's a lot of hate on them,
Speaker 2: like a lot of bullshit and lies. And I can
Speaker 2: debate anybody and kind of expose them for not doing
Speaker 2: the research, because people don't. They just jump on bandwagons
Speaker 2: and they attack things that they don't understand. But I'm
Speaker 2: not saying Carlos was a perfect human. But people try
Speaker 2: to say that he made everything up, but it's not possible.
Speaker 2: It's a whole system of knowledge that he shared with
Speaker 2: the world. It's been ancient and many people I know
Speaker 2: are very much associated.
Speaker 3: So that was my next question.
Speaker 1: So I looked him up just now, and I was
Speaker 1: unfamiliar with the name whenever you first brought him up.
Speaker 1: And from what I could sell in the nineteen sixties,
Speaker 1: he basically got a collection of books. He released a
Speaker 1: series talking about diving into shamanism, and I mean, even
Speaker 1: if that's true, and he was going off of more
Speaker 1: ancient sources, right, and I don't know. You tell me.
Speaker 1: Is he the type of person that says he like
Speaker 1: caught a download, wrote it down and here it is.
Speaker 1: Or is he the type of person that did a
Speaker 1: lot of research into the ancient shamanic practices and he
Speaker 1: was trying to write that down in a more modern way.
Speaker 1: In the nineteen sixties, he was given.
Speaker 2: A research grant to go out and learn about peyote,
Speaker 2: and he encountered. He asked his friend to find him
Speaker 2: a real shaman. And then when he finally was introduced
Speaker 2: to that shaman, that shaman pulled him out of anthropology
Speaker 2: and pulled him into an actual apprenticeship. Gotcha, So he
Speaker 2: came out of being the student and he became a
Speaker 2: practitioner of a very powerful system of knowledge that exists
Speaker 2: to this day. But it's so powerful and it sounds
Speaker 2: so crazy and outlandish that people assume it's fiction, but
Speaker 2: it's not. And so it's just a matter of reading
Speaker 2: the books understanding. You know, I think Carlos was a trickster.
Speaker 2: So there's things in those books that aren't necessarily accurate
Speaker 2: because he's fucking with us to see if we can
Speaker 2: tell the difference between deception and reality. But that's just
Speaker 2: the kind of dude he was. He lost his ego.
Speaker 2: He was super liberated and was just like super amazing.
Speaker 2: And all of the students of his that are truly
Speaker 2: sat with him for a period of time are really powerful.
Speaker 2: And then Don Juan, his teacher, taught many other students
Speaker 2: that I'm directly training with to this day that are
Speaker 2: just on such another worldly you know, I'm open to
Speaker 2: the idea they're all cia MK.
Speaker 1: Ultras who knows.
Speaker 2: I don't know, like super soldiers and shit like who knows,
Speaker 2: but they're all so powerful and I'm powerful, so I
Speaker 2: know these people are way more powerful than I am.
Speaker 2: So whatever training they got, it's legit, and we really are.
Speaker 2: It really is simple. If you can stay in silence,
Speaker 2: you don't need any drugs. You can just stop your thoughts.
Speaker 2: This world that we think is physical, it just goes away,
Speaker 2: and there's other dimensions that just present themselves and you
Speaker 2: can go from one layer to the onion into other
Speaker 2: layers and other layers, but you'll have to not talk
Speaker 2: to yourself at all. You have to be fucking focused
Speaker 2: through gazing. So like once the fractals separate and everything
Speaker 2: starts moving, you stay so tranced out on watching it
Speaker 2: move that you can't possibly entertain thoughts, and you move
Speaker 2: into totality of your feeling, and then you know, you
Speaker 2: learn to handle the intensity for longer periods of time,
Speaker 2: over decades, and eventually in our elder years, we'll be
Speaker 2: able to enter and traverse these other layers completely as
Speaker 2: long as we don't lose our marvels. That's the danger.
Speaker 1: So we're talking doing this without any type of for
Speaker 1: lack of better words, illicit substance, darking, completely sober, and
Speaker 1: we are talking about deep deep meditation.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he doesn't.
Speaker 4: You don't partake in any drugs any longer, at least
Speaker 4: that's what I think I got from your Instagram.
Speaker 2: Correct, I mean, no, that's not true. I do both,
Speaker 2: Like I take long periods of time without anything, but
Speaker 2: I'm also like really like the Songomos in South Africa,
Speaker 2: the way they train their perception is alcohol on cannabis
Speaker 2: and large amounts, and you dance and dance and dance
Speaker 2: and dance, and you keep combibing, and you move beyond
Speaker 2: the substance. You become capable of handling any amount because
Speaker 2: you're not caught in the physical and that's one of
Speaker 2: their ways they train you. And then alcohol is like
Speaker 2: a truth serum, you know, so like if you can
Speaker 2: learn to handle it. I'm not suggest seen other people
Speaker 2: do this. In fact, my teacher told me don't tell
Speaker 2: people what you do because they'll think they can do it.
Speaker 5: So I'm not planning on doing this.
Speaker 2: But like, once you understand the power of mushrooms, alcohol, cannabis,
Speaker 2: you know, I think LSD is dangerous because it's just
Speaker 2: it's just Fritz is your system. It's not natural. But
Speaker 2: I think I think things that are more I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just each to their own, you know. But I
Speaker 2: don't work with MDMA or cocaine. Those ones are really
Speaker 2: hard on the memory system. Sure, and so toll TeX's
Speaker 2: are really focused on memory as a means to reclaim
Speaker 2: your youth. But yeah, I dabble and then I get
Speaker 2: out and I take long breaks. I get higher when
Speaker 2: i'm sober than i am when i'm partying hard, wow,
Speaker 2: because I've already unlocked the secret of the perception. And
Speaker 2: in a way, when I'm partying, it's more like as
Speaker 2: a way to a void the intensity of sobriety because
Speaker 2: I go too far in my dream time. I can't
Speaker 2: handle the intensity. It feels like I'm falling off a
Speaker 2: cliff all the time in my dreams. So like I'm
Speaker 2: kind of in a I'm kind of in a tricky situation.
Speaker 2: I don't know what to do.
Speaker 1: Okay, So how do you feel about DMT, Because as
Speaker 1: we're talking about the dream satan, we're talking about the
Speaker 1: substances that you do kind of dabble in.
Speaker 3: What is your take on d MT.
Speaker 2: I didn't like the flavor or the taste, like I
Speaker 2: just kind of like hit it, and some my body
Speaker 2: kind of rejected it.
Speaker 3: So interesting.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed the feeling for a moment, but I didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't blast off. But I'm not opposed to it.
Speaker 2: I think Peyote is going to be my my one,
Speaker 2: you know, like I'm really looking forward to that one,
Speaker 2: and but I feel like there might be a time
Speaker 2: and a place for d MT just because of how profound.
Speaker 2: But I think Buffo probably, like if I can get
Speaker 2: your direct frog stuff, I think that's where I'll go.
Speaker 1: But I say, ayahuasca and buffo that seems to be
Speaker 1: the big things that people are all about these days.
Speaker 1: We had one of our cult members just going to
Speaker 1: ayahuasca retreat I don't think I've ever met somebody who
Speaker 1: went on one of those retreats that had a negative earth.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say that, because even still, some
Speaker 1: of the people that I know that went on and
Speaker 1: had a relatively negative experience came out better for it
Speaker 1: at the other side of it, because it was more
Speaker 1: or less forcing them to look into the mirror at
Speaker 1: the uglier parts of who they once were. A lot
Speaker 1: of my buddies that came back from war with PTSD.
Speaker 1: Raven Lee and I are both Marine Corps veterans, and
Speaker 1: we know a lot of people with different types of PTSD.
Speaker 1: Some of it's combat related, some of it's experience related
Speaker 1: to all levels and colors and types. Here a lot
Speaker 1: of people use these ayahuasca and Buffo retreats and these
Speaker 1: these shamanistic walks for like a week at a time
Speaker 1: as a way to try to help combat the PTSD.
Speaker 1: The majority of the people that I know that went
Speaker 1: on these retreats came back, I don't want to say
Speaker 1: fully healed, but they seemed a lot more at peace
Speaker 1: and ready to like move on and grow to the
Speaker 1: next step of their lives. There is a small portion
Speaker 1: of people that had relatively negative experiences, and it was
Speaker 1: more or less these substances forced them to relook at
Speaker 1: the negative parts of why they have the PTSD and
Speaker 1: re examine and reexperience a lot of it. However, a
Speaker 1: week or two a month after the retreats, they finally
Speaker 1: were able to like put the piece together and realize, oh,
Speaker 1: this is what I'm supposed to do now, Like this
Speaker 1: is how I'm supposed to go through that, and it is.
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever met somebody who didn't recommend.
Speaker 1: If somebody is trying to deal with some sort of
Speaker 1: an internal trauma, these retreats apparently are the way.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I went to a long time ago.
Speaker 4: I went with some friends of mine to California, and
Speaker 4: I sat with Shaman's there and I watched all the
Speaker 4: people experience different types of trips and stuff, and they
Speaker 4: were experiencing different things and we kind of sat and talked,
Speaker 4: and they told me at the time, they were like,
Speaker 4: there's just you're just not in a position where you
Speaker 4: should be doing this, like mentally and spiritually, and that
Speaker 4: this would not be a positive for you. And I've
Speaker 4: never actually done it because I've when I sat with them,
Speaker 4: they were they were very insistent that this is not
Speaker 4: something that like I just have a tough time, Like
Speaker 4: I can't even meditate. I'm terrible meditation because I can't
Speaker 4: sit in the silence. It drives me crazy. I don't
Speaker 4: know how to like shut my brain off. I've taken
Speaker 4: tons of different spiritual things, like throughout Oregon and Washington,
Speaker 4: and I enjoy being around it, and I love watching
Speaker 4: other people do it. I just can't seem to let
Speaker 4: go of I guess the physical and move on to
Speaker 4: the next step. It's it's like I'm stuck when I
Speaker 4: watch everyone else do it, and I'm like, well, I
Speaker 4: mean that's really cool, but I don't know how to
Speaker 4: get past that point for myself.
Speaker 2: Well, well that's why. Like so in the books, Carlos
Speaker 2: Constanta was only one of many other apprentices, and he
Speaker 2: was his assemblage point, or his perceptual mechanism was very
Speaker 2: fixed and it couldn't move very easily. And so Don
Speaker 2: Juan he didn't He didn't do this with every apprentice
Speaker 2: of his, but he did it with Carlos. He gave
Speaker 2: him a lot of fucking powerful medicine because he was
Speaker 2: not able to get silent, and so he forced him.
Speaker 2: You know, the medicine will force you if you take
Speaker 2: enough in the right kind. It'll force you to use
Speaker 2: your senses in a way that takes you out of
Speaker 2: the mind into your body. But it's dangerous, and so
Speaker 2: it's good that they didn't try to push you if
Speaker 2: you weren't ready, And that's a good indication that there
Speaker 2: are safe shaman's out there that are paying attention because
Speaker 2: timing is everything and you don't need to you know,
Speaker 2: like your your purpose may not be to traverse perception
Speaker 2: like mine. It may be to like be just a calm,
Speaker 2: capable functional mentor to people that need common sense and
Speaker 2: practical advice, like each of us has a different gift.
Speaker 2: But we are going to face the intensity of perception
Speaker 2: when we die. And that's why there might be a
Speaker 2: massive resistance within you is because it represents death. So
Speaker 2: it might be like a you know, like it's just.
Speaker 4: To to it just you're so, I'm terrified of death. Actually, yeah, see,
Speaker 4: very terrified of it. I've had a few near death
Speaker 4: experiences and they've altered Actually the one I think honestly
Speaker 4: physically altered my mental state as well, and like chemically
Speaker 4: all altered me. And it's definitely been a very long
Speaker 4: hard road for I would say almost eight years now
Speaker 4: trying to deal with the I didn't I survived it,
Speaker 4: but mentally it's like something triggered in my brain that
Speaker 4: hasn't been able to go back, and I you know,
Speaker 4: it's one of those things of.
Speaker 5: Trying to find a way through it has been very challenging.
Speaker 2: So yeah, well, well, I mean I do free consoles.
Speaker 2: We can talk and I can I can offer some
Speaker 2: simple solutions that will eventually help. Yeah, your nervous system
Speaker 2: is just very disregulated because of the right the PTSD,
Speaker 2: and they're there, you know there there's an emotional root
Speaker 2: cause issue that occurs with every single person because this
Speaker 2: isn't actually a physical place, so everything's energetic, everything has
Speaker 2: a subconscious core, and once you understand where it's all
Speaker 2: coming from, then you can actually you know, you understand
Speaker 2: how to work with it. But it can take time.
Speaker 2: And so you're not doing anything wrong, You're just in
Speaker 2: the process of discovering, you know, what's possible.
Speaker 1: Heard that so your guy Carlos that you were really
Speaker 1: trying to dive into all these books you mentioned a
Speaker 1: couple of names. Also, have you in your line of
Speaker 1: work have you looked into more ancient sources at the
Speaker 1: source themselves rather than getting a more modern interpretation of
Speaker 1: the ancient sources.
Speaker 2: I mean, I found powerful shamans to train with that
Speaker 2: didn't write their knowledge down, but were it was an
Speaker 2: oral tradition and I really wicked, powerful energetic beings that
Speaker 2: you know taught me for many years. And so I've
Speaker 2: validated a lot of this stuff through by by interacting
Speaker 2: with so many different people all over the world. I
Speaker 2: don't put a lot of attention into research the way
Speaker 2: other people do. I trust myself to to prioritize things.
Speaker 2: But you know, Credo Mutois, who David I trained with
Speaker 2: or learned from, was my teacher's close companion. They lived,
Speaker 2: they spent time in South Africa together, and my elder
Speaker 2: was on the news in South Africa with Creto talking
Speaker 2: about Southernandia the plant medicine that they were using out
Speaker 2: there for to try to treat HIV and AIDS.
Speaker 3: But did they have any success with that?
Speaker 2: Well? No, because the whole germ theory thing is bullshit, right.
Speaker 2: Everything everything I've been told about how things work. It's
Speaker 2: all emotional, root cause based, and so then they convince
Speaker 2: you that if your your immune system is at a
Speaker 2: certain point, then they try to tell like I had
Speaker 2: a friend be told that he had a HIV in
Speaker 2: a hospital because they didn't they don't know what the
Speaker 2: fuck they're measuring. He didn't have that at all. It
Speaker 2: all has to do with PC hard tests, which got
Speaker 2: exposed in COVID. It's all bullshit. Everything we've been told
Speaker 2: is just all syops. We are not germs are not
Speaker 2: what we are told at all. It has to do
Speaker 2: with your power and so with you. It has nothing
Speaker 2: to do with anything outside of you. There might be.
Speaker 4: Evolution that that has heard about this. I have a
Speaker 4: friend that went really hard into this. Actually that there's
Speaker 4: an entire book in like multiple books showing that pretty
Speaker 4: much anything that's an element or something that's going on
Speaker 4: with you can we trace back into your root cause
Speaker 4: of like it's internal. Like if you're having like say
Speaker 4: you have a you know, severe stomach ache and you're
Speaker 4: not having sleep and you're having all of these symptoms
Speaker 4: that could potentially be something even worse, it's actually due
Speaker 4: to you know, you're you're pretty much your flatter fights
Speaker 4: kicked in. You're having a dysregularity of corsol and things
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 5: Is that kind of what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so our nervous system, what if it's not regulated
Speaker 2: and if you're I'm not saying that we don't get sick,
Speaker 2: but if you're in the presence of someone that's detoxing
Speaker 2: and it has mucus coming out their nose and they're
Speaker 2: all this shit's happening, and your body also needs to detox,
Speaker 2: and the fact you're in resonance next to them, it's
Speaker 2: going to make your body be like, oh, yeah, I
Speaker 2: need I need to purge this stuff as well. So
Speaker 2: it looks like there's a virus spreading. But detoxine is
Speaker 2: good for us. We need to detox our bodies. That's
Speaker 2: important when you are young, like a little baby, or
Speaker 2: when you're old. Detox scene is dangerous. It can kill
Speaker 2: you if you don't know how to navigate the detox right.
Speaker 2: Like people tell you to eat like crackers and drink
Speaker 2: seven up because the salt and the sugar. But if
Speaker 2: you were to just take electrolytes, you know, then you
Speaker 2: wouldn't be poisoning yourself with seven up and saltines because
Speaker 2: those are bound, like everything's poisoned in this place.
Speaker 4: Right, So sorry, do you do you do you have
Speaker 4: like a specific kind of way that you eat, or
Speaker 4: like certain herbs that you take or kind of things
Speaker 4: like that, like follow herbology.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't get sick because I'm carnivore. Oh right,
Speaker 2: so no, right, Like no, there's there's no reason to
Speaker 2: detox because I'm constantly detoxing. Like when you're in carnivore diet,
Speaker 2: it's an elimination diet. It's just simple. You're just only
Speaker 2: taking the best fuel that is available and putting it
Speaker 2: in your system. So beef, lamb eggs, water, salt.
Speaker 3: How long you've been doing carnivore?
Speaker 2: Almost two years?
Speaker 1: Helly two years consecutively. And I mean I'm sure you
Speaker 1: might every now and then occasionally have like a piece
Speaker 1: of cake or something like the rare occasion.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't really, so yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't. I'll drink red wine though, and that slows
Speaker 2: the whole detox down. You know, I'll have tequila, but
Speaker 2: it doesn't cause me to gain like weight, where like
Speaker 2: if I eat like dairy other than butter, like I'll
Speaker 2: start to gain extra fat, like it's really sensitive. So
Speaker 2: I just I don't think we're meant to have to
Speaker 2: work out in order to stay in shape. And I
Speaker 2: think if there's a diet that keeps you in shape
Speaker 2: without having to do extra effort, that makes more sense,
Speaker 2: Like it wouldn't. It's more natural, and that's I think.
Speaker 2: We just for hundreds of thousands of years, we were
Speaker 2: nomadic and we were living off of large game and berries.
Speaker 2: So I'll eat some berries as well to slow the
Speaker 2: detox down because berries have oxalates or oxalate acids. When
Speaker 2: you get on carnivore diet, your body purges a lot
Speaker 2: of stuff that it's accumulated in your bones, and then
Speaker 2: you start to have much more energy. I tried. I've
Speaker 2: tried everything, just living off fruit. I've tried living off
Speaker 2: you know, all different kinds of like extreme diets. This
Speaker 2: one is like super simple because you can't overeat steak.
Speaker 2: Once you're done eating steak, it's not like you can,
Speaker 2: so I don't experience inflammation or the feeling of being full.
Speaker 2: I just feel energized.
Speaker 4: I did it for like three four months, four months.
Speaker 5: I think I made it. The purge was rough.
Speaker 4: I'll say that the first month and a half two months,
Speaker 4: I definitely felt terrible. But I also I didn't drink
Speaker 4: coffee actually for about a decade, and I just started
Speaker 4: real drinking like this last year. But I have always
Speaker 4: said when I got off of coffee in the first
Speaker 4: like three years or three months, once I got through that,
Speaker 4: then I had way more energy than I ever did
Speaker 4: drinking coffee. And I felt the same way once I
Speaker 4: was on connover. The only reason I couldn't continue is
Speaker 4: because of finances, and it's it's hard when you have
Speaker 4: multiple people to pay for and stuff, and so I
Speaker 4: really enjoyed it though once I.
Speaker 5: Actually got through, I felt so much better.
Speaker 4: One of my good friends actually, she has been doing
Speaker 4: it for probably two or three years now and she
Speaker 4: is in fantastic shape. I don't think she ever gets sick,
Speaker 4: like she feels amazing. She looks amazing. So I mean,
Speaker 4: I personally think there's a lot of benefits to it.
Speaker 2: It works. I have a friend that had full organ failure,
Speaker 2: like he was dying and he was on mushrooms and
Speaker 2: something pinned him down to the ground and said, you
Speaker 2: can only eat beef for Lamb. Yeah, no, he'd never
Speaker 2: heard about this carnivore diet. He was just on mushrooms
Speaker 2: and had a voice come in and tell him what
Speaker 2: to do, and like he's so alive and so healthy
Speaker 2: and has like reversed all of his It's an amazing
Speaker 2: story and it really actually was what inspired me, you know.
Speaker 2: But it's actually easier for him to be carnivore than
Speaker 2: it is for me because he doesn't have a choice.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 4: It's hard when it when you try to detox off
Speaker 4: of like specific stuff like down here we got Keen
Speaker 4: cakes or Marty grass season, and those are tough to
Speaker 4: give up. Man.
Speaker 5: I'll say that it's uh. I enjoy though.
Speaker 4: I enjoy growing my own food, uh in the sense
Speaker 4: of like a garden.
Speaker 5: So I did.
Speaker 4: I did implement things that I was able to grow,
Speaker 4: but not a ton of it. But it's still I
Speaker 4: when I juice, because I actually like to juice a
Speaker 4: lot too, and that helps when you start to juice
Speaker 4: in detox, at least for me, my body within him.
Speaker 5: With two three weeks, I feel like a brand new person.
Speaker 4: So I think there's a lot to it when it
Speaker 4: comes to the gut, brain health, and also your nervous
Speaker 4: system plays such a heavy part in how you function
Speaker 4: as a person. And what drew me to actually reaching
Speaker 4: out to you is because of the dream. And we
Speaker 4: were talking about dreams the other day, and then I
Speaker 4: saw some of your stuff about dreams. And Jacob doesn't
Speaker 4: actually hardly ever dream. He dreams like once a year
Speaker 4: pretty much, whereas I dream consistently, very vivid dreams. And
Speaker 4: so I was curious to see about kind of the
Speaker 4: information that you have about dreams and kind of go
Speaker 4: into the different types of energy, and I did it
Speaker 4: here one of your things. You were talking about sexual
Speaker 4: energy and dream energy, how they're interconnected, and I was
Speaker 4: curious about, you know, if you could tell us more
Speaker 4: about all those things too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, how you were conceived is
Speaker 2: actually a real factor as to like how your energetic
Speaker 2: blueprint was established. So I have a friend that was
Speaker 2: conceived when both parents were on LSD, and so he
Speaker 2: has a lot of energy, but it's not been necessarily helpful.
Speaker 2: He's got him landed in jail and prison, and it's
Speaker 2: been a tough life having extra energy. Right, So some
Speaker 2: people have to be celibate at certain points in their
Speaker 2: life if they're going to train shamanically, because if you
Speaker 2: want to learn how to do a particular type of dreaming,
Speaker 2: you want to build that energy up and save it
Speaker 2: and learn how to apply it, you know, to being
Speaker 2: able to catch yourself as you're drifting off to sleep,
Speaker 2: but stay conscious. So I remember falling asleep to watching
Speaker 2: like football when I was a kid, and I'd be
Speaker 2: like partially in a dream, but I'm still listening to
Speaker 2: the game. That in between space is a really sweet spot.
Speaker 2: And there's a way to learn how to hang out
Speaker 2: in that in between space without going all the way
Speaker 2: to sleep or without coming back awake. So that's what
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 5: I know how to be in that spot pretty well.
Speaker 2: Cool.
Speaker 5: I'm there's like a good i'd say, like.
Speaker 4: A fifteen thirty minute window where I'm in that in
Speaker 4: between and I kind of just hang out there, and
Speaker 4: sometimes I I like decide what kind of dream I'm
Speaker 4: going to have, and I like to try to This.
Speaker 5: Makes me, you know, it doesn't.
Speaker 1: Rest the pillow. And I got a solid sixty seconds
Speaker 1: before I am in a coma. I don't know what
Speaker 1: a thirty minute you have to like make your mind
Speaker 1: up for thirty minutes before you go to sleep.
Speaker 4: No, I'm wandering around, so like there's sometimes where I
Speaker 4: almost feel like it's a walk about, Like I'm like
Speaker 4: wandering in my dream and I'm kind of just exploring
Speaker 4: whatever's coming up to me. And sometimes it can be
Speaker 4: really dark and I don't want to be in that
Speaker 4: space anymore, But then I end up falling like deeper
Speaker 4: into sleep. And sometimes I'll remember what I'm dreaming, other
Speaker 4: times I won't. Most of the time I do. Or
Speaker 4: there's other times where I'm just like hanging out with
Speaker 4: people and kind of just seeing other people seeing different
Speaker 4: I would say, different worlds.
Speaker 5: Honestly, it's it's not this physical plane and.
Speaker 4: It's a weird like place to be because it's kind
Speaker 4: of like this cool place to hang out. But I
Speaker 4: didn't know if that was like a real thing that
Speaker 4: other people did. Honestly, I thought that was just a
Speaker 4: weird thing that I did.
Speaker 2: Oh no, you're you're stuck. I mean you can learn
Speaker 2: to stay there and actually form, you know, connections with
Speaker 2: interdimensional beings and other worlds, and it's a whole place
Speaker 2: to to to play around. All kinds of visions can
Speaker 2: come through uh yeah, so like but for told text
Speaker 2: for the Costanta books, what you want to do is
Speaker 2: realize you're in a like when you all go all
Speaker 2: the way asleep, like like where you're boom, you're sleep sleep.
Speaker 2: You want to become conscious in your dream and realize
Speaker 2: that it's a dream, because when you're dreaming, you think
Speaker 2: it's just normal life, and you're responding to the dream
Speaker 2: as if like you're in this in this dream that
Speaker 2: you and I are in right now.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm. I actually do that.
Speaker 4: I know I'm in I'm know I dream and I
Speaker 4: know I'm in a dream, and I wake up and
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, well I'm dreaming, so I guess.
Speaker 5: You know, But I don't know what to do with
Speaker 5: that though.
Speaker 2: Well in the books they say the first thing is
Speaker 2: to look at your hands, okay, and then look around
Speaker 2: and try to keep the memory of that, try to
Speaker 2: keep the dream intact, because more than likely the dreams
Speaker 2: going to shape shift into a totally different scene within seconds.
Speaker 2: But if you can pay attention to the scissors on
Speaker 2: the table, and then you know the shades of the window,
Speaker 2: and then the bookshelf and then the light switch, and
Speaker 2: just keep jumping around, you can keep yourself from moving
Speaker 2: into the next dream, and that's gaining control over your perception.
Speaker 4: Okay, So do you when you're meeting people in that
Speaker 4: sweet spot, like interdimensional people and you're having visions, do
Speaker 4: you feel like do you accept the visions are real
Speaker 4: or do you think that they're a construct of your mind?
Speaker 4: Or like, how do you tell the difference between what
Speaker 4: is real and what is something that you're just making
Speaker 4: up with your own thoughts?
Speaker 3: Good question.
Speaker 2: You're interacting with non ordinary interdimensional energies and beings that
Speaker 2: are trying to trick you. Okay, so it's both you're
Speaker 2: being fucked with, You're being tricked, it's an illusion that's
Speaker 2: being projected into your field, and yet you're actually interacting
Speaker 2: with real creatures that are doing that to test you. Okay,
Speaker 2: So your subconscious material is being used whatever your focus
Speaker 2: is during your day, Like if you're super stressed out
Speaker 2: all the time and in a soap opera mindset, then
Speaker 2: your dreams are going to represent that. Or maybe you
Speaker 2: have unresolved trauma from high school and you constantly dream
Speaker 2: about high school?
Speaker 4: What did you dream of, like reincarnation, Like you dream
Speaker 4: yourself in another past that feels so real.
Speaker 5: That you believe at one point you were that person.
Speaker 2: That's real. It's called parallel lives, so they're actually happening simultaneously.
Speaker 2: They're not past lives. They're happening now. There is no past,
Speaker 2: there is no future. Everything is parallel, but we are
Speaker 2: in a linear construct where it seems like everything is
Speaker 2: you know, before and after, but it's all happening on
Speaker 2: an equal energetic plane.
Speaker 1: To what level, Like, are you saying that yesterday yesterday
Speaker 1: is in past? You're saying that yesterday is still happening
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, goa is still happening right So your ability to
Speaker 2: retrocausal heal things is your ability to time travel back
Speaker 2: into yesterday. If you can place your attention on yesterday,
Speaker 2: then you can re experience it, and therefore you can
Speaker 2: go back into your childhood and remember being in the womb.
Speaker 2: And this is how you become powerful. Is it the
Speaker 2: reclaim your energetic essence from every single event that's ever happened?
Speaker 5: End mm hmm.
Speaker 4: Do you believe in the there's a theory that I
Speaker 4: do birth work, and I've been a doula for a
Speaker 4: long time, and I did a long read big Retreat
Speaker 4: in Brighton Bush. I don't know if you've ever been
Speaker 4: there before. Yeah, So I love that place, and so
Speaker 4: I went there for my duela training for with actually
Speaker 4: a woman that studies out of Seattle. And one of
Speaker 4: the concepts that we talked about was the birth trauma
Speaker 4: of being born and that we carry.
Speaker 5: Residual trauma with us from birth.
Speaker 4: And there's been a lot of conversation about when we
Speaker 4: as we age, we could try to go back to
Speaker 4: that moment and kind of reverse that kind of trauma
Speaker 4: through using dreams or different types of meditation and stuff,
Speaker 4: because whatever did have happened during that time, you know
Speaker 4: a lot of people had four set bursts and scenes
Speaker 4: like that when we were young, like I was a
Speaker 4: forcet baby too, Jacob was, and that that kind of
Speaker 4: trauma to our young body is left an imprint within us.
Speaker 4: And so are you kind of like, are you saying
Speaker 4: that we could go all the way back to conception
Speaker 4: and kind of rework how all of this trans like
Speaker 4: sell by cell made us who we are now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, everything that's ever happened is affecting us right now,
Speaker 2: right our blueprint. The first thing that happened to you
Speaker 2: is going to like reverberate throughout the rest of your
Speaker 2: life unless you learn how to do what we call
Speaker 2: a race personal history.
Speaker 1: And the only way to do that, he said, a
Speaker 1: raised personal history, a race like an eraser a RaSE.
Speaker 3: Okay, erase personal history got you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So like what the recapitulation is what I teach
Speaker 2: people how to do. It's a way of breathing your
Speaker 2: essence in the filaments you left in that moment. You
Speaker 2: left this part of your energetic luminous energy, your your light.
Speaker 2: You left your light in that scene, and then you
Speaker 2: took on energy that wasn't meant for you to take on.
Speaker 2: So you inhale the luminosity that you left, and you
Speaker 2: exhale the energy that wasn't yours, and it's just like
Speaker 2: it's not personal, it's just your You're just giving back
Speaker 2: what somebody else. You know, you just it's just like
Speaker 2: cleaning house. We aren't taught to do this because there's
Speaker 2: forces that are higher on the food chain that want
Speaker 2: us to be scattered and fragmented. So, especially with sexual partners,
Speaker 2: if we don't like really clean house after we exit
Speaker 2: a relationship, then we're like still like bonded to them.
Speaker 2: In a way that isn't helpful. So how do we
Speaker 2: like really really fix that, Like it's it takes real work,
Speaker 2: and often it happens through some sort of difficult divorce
Speaker 2: or whatever, like the story in which it actually happens,
Speaker 2: But there's a way to do it more in a
Speaker 2: more balanced way. For me, it's more like the cult,
Speaker 2: all the cults that I was in. That's where all
Speaker 2: the energies trapped for me, because I trained with such
Speaker 2: powerful sorcerers and shamans that there was a lot of
Speaker 2: bonding that happens, and it's hard to like free yourself
Speaker 2: from that bond. So boundaries, we don't have healthy boundaries.
Speaker 2: We don't know about energy, we don't understand what it takes.
Speaker 2: But dreaming is sort of a reference once you understand
Speaker 2: how to use your attention and awareness in the realm
Speaker 2: of whether it's night dreaming or day dreaming. Like I'm
Speaker 2: more gifted at learning how to have psychedelic experiences during
Speaker 2: the day while I'm awake right, Like, I really see
Speaker 2: the world differently than most people. I'll like flash my
Speaker 2: eyes while I'm walking down the streets of New York
Speaker 2: or La. I'm like just seeing the whole world just
Speaker 2: fucking vibrate because of the way I weak my perception.
Speaker 2: So like meditating in the presence of large bodies of
Speaker 2: people is amazing, or I also can do it in
Speaker 2: nature alone without anyone there for a long periods of time.
Speaker 2: And so the place, this place is psychedelic, the creator
Speaker 2: is psychedelic. We just have to like realize that and
Speaker 2: not let our blueprint of what created our trauma bond
Speaker 2: hijack the rest of our time. So you go back
Speaker 2: and you scoop that energy up that you left, but
Speaker 2: especially the being in the womb. Circumcision, you know, is
Speaker 2: where the first trauma really happens for men. Typically if
Speaker 2: they were circumcised, the body like passes out in pain.
Speaker 2: They don't drug you.
Speaker 5: You know, it's pretty pretty traumatizing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So just to circle back, you say, some of
Speaker 1: the cults that you were a part of give us
Speaker 1: a rundown on this, because I feel like a lot
Speaker 1: of people when they hear that, they're going to have
Speaker 1: immediate negative connotations, right, because we hear of so many
Speaker 1: cults where things go horribly wrong, and these mass suicide
Speaker 1: cults and all these types of things. You were actively
Speaker 1: and you knew that it was a cult when you
Speaker 1: were getting involved with it, or you found out later,
Speaker 1: and that's what kind of led to some of the trauma.
Speaker 1: And you say that there's been multiple You've been a
Speaker 1: part of break this down for Uce.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I, you know, I didn't know and
Speaker 2: also didn't know at the same time. Like I knew
Speaker 2: that it was preceded as a cult. I sensed it
Speaker 2: as a cult, but I also knew that I needed
Speaker 2: to be there because a lot of cult leaders are powerful,
Speaker 2: they have gifts, they're unique, They you know, can teach
Speaker 2: you things that are can be really beneficial. And so
Speaker 2: like I like knew I was going in there to
Speaker 2: get what I needed, and I was okay with it.
Speaker 2: I was okay that people would precede me as a
Speaker 2: follower or whatever, because I was in the presence of
Speaker 2: people that were really you know, showing me not only
Speaker 2: how to use lucid dreaming and that advantageous ways to
Speaker 2: gain knowledge, but also they're showing me how not to be.
Speaker 2: They're showing me their their shadows side. And I was
Speaker 2: listening to a higher guidance that told me to go
Speaker 2: in there and to hang out there, and so I'm
Speaker 2: really good at breaking colts up. I go in as
Speaker 2: a student, and then I gain everyone's trust, and then
Speaker 2: I start pulling everyone out as I exit. So I'm
Speaker 2: not afraid to like do that even to this day.
Speaker 2: So there's lots of cults that exist. There's lots of
Speaker 2: tendencies for things to turn culty, even if they don't
Speaker 2: start off culty.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: So I've just had a lot of experience with powerful sorcerers, shamans,
Speaker 2: medicine women, medicine men, you know, psychics, and everyone has
Speaker 2: holes in their consciousness. Everyone. Anyone that claims that they don't,
Speaker 2: you know, is insane and full of shit, and you
Speaker 2: should run away because they are lying to themselves, you know,
Speaker 2: they're claiming to be ascended masters or whatever. It's all bullshit.
Speaker 3: I know a few of those. There very interesting human beings.
Speaker 3: I'll say.
Speaker 2: The least they.
Speaker 1: Hold themselves, they hold their own opinion in a very
Speaker 1: high regard. And now I'll be as that's as polite
Speaker 1: as I could put it. But yeah, so all right, So.
Speaker 3: In your opinion, every cult is a negative and inherently
Speaker 3: negative thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, so the Toltecs look at everything that's happening
Speaker 2: as a teaching and so like the most powerful tyrants,
Speaker 2: the people that are controlling worlds or realities are a
Speaker 2: necessary ingredient for a warrior to develop. Okay, so nothing
Speaker 2: is negative. It's all serving as a means for you
Speaker 2: to navigate an obstacle course. And that obstacle course couldn't
Speaker 2: possibly be powerful without tyrants or deceivers. So rather than
Speaker 2: be at odds with what's going on in the world,
Speaker 2: you start to accept it as just an obstacle course,
Speaker 2: and you stop trying to save people or wake them up.
Speaker 2: You just realize that it has to do with you
Speaker 2: and you alone. And then if you were to unbind
Speaker 2: yourself from the storyline, then you're giving energetic permission for
Speaker 2: other people to do the same. And that's where the
Speaker 2: hundredth monkey thing kicks in. I'm not saying that you
Speaker 2: shouldn't bring attention or bring people, provide information to people
Speaker 2: about what's actually happening in the world, but if you're
Speaker 2: attached to the outcome, you're going to feel a lot
Speaker 2: of You're going to experience a lot of suffering. If
Speaker 2: you're liberated and not attached to the outcome of the collective,
Speaker 2: then you're you know, you become insulated, you create your
Speaker 2: own reality, and you find a way to navigate what's coming.
Speaker 2: And that's I think what we each person needs to
Speaker 2: be able to do is just becomes so ecstatically in
Speaker 2: love with their existence that they realize that the fact
Speaker 2: that we exist is a miracle and everything is extra
Speaker 2: and you become so thankful to be alive that you're
Speaker 2: not like trying to fix or control anything at all.
Speaker 2: You just find a way to be adaptable based on
Speaker 2: what they throw at us.
Speaker 1: Right, So, I've heard you say the term toll techs
Speaker 1: a few times here. Now forgive my ignorance here, but
Speaker 1: whenever I hear the term toll tech, I'm thinking of
Speaker 1: the pre Aztec tribe that ruled over Mexico up until,
Speaker 1: like you know, oney eleven hundred a d. They had
Speaker 1: no system of writing that, or at least none that
Speaker 1: we know of anyway. So is that what you mean
Speaker 1: when you say tull tech or is this another term
Speaker 1: that it might be a part of, like a spirituality
Speaker 1: walk that I wasn't familiar with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's it's changed, and now it means someone
Speaker 2: that that discovered the secret of perception, in the way
Speaker 2: that the lineage presents it. But yeah, at one point,
Speaker 2: at one point, tultec meant you know that you were
Speaker 2: born of a blood lion, that was, you know, of
Speaker 2: a particular history. But German Men and Chinese men and
Speaker 2: different women from different ancestry lines have become Toltecs through
Speaker 2: the practice of tull Tech dreaming. So once you you know,
Speaker 2: the toll techs are considered the scientists of energy.
Speaker 3: Got you.
Speaker 2: They're considered the learned ones, and that they discovered, you know,
Speaker 2: with the use of plant medicine, they unlock the secrets
Speaker 2: of perception. They're very daring. But then they found out
Speaker 2: that the use of plant medicine is potentially detrimental to
Speaker 2: your energy body. So they found ways to reach those
Speaker 2: altered states without having to take any medicine at all.
Speaker 2: And that's what I teach in my workshops and my
Speaker 2: classes and in my mentoring. It's like, if you're willing
Speaker 2: to go slow and steady, you know, then you're more
Speaker 2: likely to be able to handle the electricity that's going to,
Speaker 2: you know, come in. So we want to be aware
Speaker 2: of the nervous system and go about this in a
Speaker 2: practical way. Otherwise, because I've seen a lot of people
Speaker 2: get really ungrounded, and we have to be grounded in
Speaker 2: order to of the intensity of what's available.
Speaker 4: Okay, I have I always writing down notes about questions.
Speaker 4: I have a couple different questions, but I wanted to
Speaker 4: ask I wanted to start with daydreaming. I wanted to
Speaker 4: talk about that because like, I'm one of those people
Speaker 4: that I consistently am like lost in my own narrative
Speaker 4: of thoughts and just like worlds that I'm creating and
Speaker 4: these like all these different things. Do you believe that
Speaker 4: that's the negative thing that you should try to be
Speaker 4: more grounded in your thought patterns, or like, is it
Speaker 4: a positive thing to have an open and active imagination
Speaker 4: where you're dreaming all that, like you're daydreaming all of
Speaker 4: these things, Or like how do you harness your energy
Speaker 4: to slow down.
Speaker 5: Those thoughts into a more productive way?
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh well it's both again, So we want to
Speaker 2: be able to have that more that imagination that goes
Speaker 2: into all these other ways of perceiving. So we call
Speaker 2: it dreaming awake and flow into Donner Groul wrote a
Speaker 2: book called Being in Dreaming, and she said that you know,
Speaker 2: learning to live in height and awareness is the ultimate audacity.
Speaker 2: And so there is a way to like for me,
Speaker 2: I don't have to take acid or mushrooms in order
Speaker 2: to go have those experiences of being deeply connected to
Speaker 2: my environment, like that flow state, that prosychedelic attention comes
Speaker 2: in and I get to take long walks where everything
Speaker 2: is super psychedelic the whole time. And so you want
Speaker 2: to keep that capacity for dreaming, for being a dreamer,
Speaker 2: but you want to figure out how to get it
Speaker 2: in a way that it's not based on some sort
Speaker 2: of like mind high mind, Like you want to get
Speaker 2: it focused, apply it more to what really is energizing
Speaker 2: you rather than what is draining you. Once once you
Speaker 2: understand the difference, then you know, like, oh yeah, you
Speaker 2: know that doesn't always work out when I just take
Speaker 2: off and I'm out of my body and I'm checked
Speaker 2: out and I'm avoiding my responsibilities because I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 2: out there. But when you bring it in and you
Speaker 2: use that same energy, So like I was giving a
Speaker 2: I was a project manager for a construction company, and
Speaker 2: I was giving a presentation in a conference room, and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, my perception moved and everything became
Speaker 2: psychedelic and luminous, and I had enough training to be
Speaker 2: able to continue with the presentation while having this like
Speaker 2: profound moment.
Speaker 1: That's like the worst possible time frame to start having
Speaker 1: a psycho.
Speaker 2: And yet it was perfect because I was because I
Speaker 2: survived it and I pulled it off. I realized how
Speaker 2: capable I am that I don't have to like I
Speaker 2: can be both. You know, I became multifaceted that day,
Speaker 2: and it freed me from the fear of having a
Speaker 2: normal job. I realized, you know, I can learn to
Speaker 2: live in a psychedelic state even with a shitty job.
Speaker 2: And that's the whole point of the toll tech work
Speaker 2: is that you don't run from the matrix. You actually
Speaker 2: you get really strong and then you go test yourself
Speaker 2: in the world by seeing what what you're capable of handling.
Speaker 2: Now that you're no longer offended by the the typical
Speaker 2: sort of energy harvesting that most people are inside of,
Speaker 2: you just observe it it and so like, you know,
Speaker 2: being in construction management as a shamanic practitioner was perfect.
Speaker 2: It taught me everything I needed to know. And I
Speaker 2: but if I was you know, had tried to convince
Speaker 2: people or change them or talk to them about these
Speaker 2: strange ideas, I would have been fired. Like it's not
Speaker 2: like you present your true self. You have to go
Speaker 2: in there on a show and just like make everyone
Speaker 2: assume that you're just like them. Otherwise they won't feel
Speaker 2: the trust. They won't trust you to be able to
Speaker 2: run the job because they'll think you're some spiritual freak.
Speaker 2: So it's like you have to like know your environment
Speaker 2: and work with the psyche of the people.
Speaker 5: How do you feel about deja vu? Like, what do
Speaker 5: you what is deja vu?
Speaker 4: Because I have it so profoundly that there are times
Speaker 4: when I have dream and instant it's not like it's
Speaker 4: sometimes I've dreamed it a year, two years prior to
Speaker 4: this exact day time and what I'm experiencing. And then
Speaker 4: I've walked both paths, so like I've seen if I
Speaker 4: take to the right, these things are gonna happen. If
Speaker 4: I make these decisions. If I go to the left,
Speaker 4: these things will happen. And then in that moment, it's
Speaker 4: like in an out of body experience, like I get
Speaker 4: it almost feels like somebody dumps a bucket of cold
Speaker 4: water on me and I realize I like dead stop,
Speaker 4: and it's like, Okay, I've been here, I've experienced this.
Speaker 4: I can see which one I need to not go down.
Speaker 4: But I've never really talked to other people that I've
Speaker 4: experienced it, because it sounds like I'm a crazy person,
Speaker 4: but it happens to me. It's happened to me my
Speaker 4: whole life. But it happens to me quite often, and
Speaker 4: it's it's almost kind of eerie feeling sometimes because it's
Speaker 4: so intense and it's the energy that is associated with
Speaker 4: whatever decision is, Like I had to really decide, Okay,
Speaker 4: I'm going to have to choose which route I'm going
Speaker 4: to go down. What do you is that like something
Speaker 4: that is commonly happens to people.
Speaker 2: I also, Yeah, So like what happens is you will
Speaker 2: have a dream that you might forget about, and then
Speaker 2: you enter into that dream while you while you're awake,
Speaker 2: because you dreamt your future. And the reality of things
Speaker 2: is that our future self is already exists. This that
Speaker 2: we're all inside of right now is a memory. It's
Speaker 2: already happened.
Speaker 5: Really, that's interesting, and.
Speaker 2: So you learned by understanding that you stop being like
Speaker 2: trying to control your world. You start to let your
Speaker 2: future self inform you of the most harmonious way to
Speaker 2: get to where it already is. And it looks like
Speaker 2: it looks like luck or what we call it personal power.
Speaker 2: But when you start to trust, everything works out, and
Speaker 2: you'll be tested as to how that trust works. This
Speaker 2: is a dream, and there's times where you have to
Speaker 2: really break out of that hypnosis that keeps you from
Speaker 2: understanding that in order to sort of solve the riddle
Speaker 2: of manifestation, and you know all that comes with that.
Speaker 2: So I tell people to listen rather than manifest. Once
Speaker 2: you listen, once you've listened enough, you can manifest because
Speaker 2: you know what your future self is telling you. But
Speaker 2: if you're trying to compete with or compare yourself to others,
Speaker 2: you're not going to be listening. You're going to be
Speaker 2: like trying to create something out of thin air. So
Speaker 2: it really has to be based on being of service
Speaker 2: because if you're of service, then the energy is going
Speaker 2: to circle back and support you. Right. But if you're
Speaker 2: in a materialistic mindset where you're trying to like desperately
Speaker 2: create something as a means to survive, it would actually
Speaker 2: be best to just go into the matrix and become
Speaker 2: a productive member of society until you figure out your
Speaker 2: magic and then so like everything's really like, I watch
Speaker 2: a lot of people suffer because they don't understand that
Speaker 2: they're trying to create something they're not ready for.
Speaker 1: We can you give an example of what you mean
Speaker 1: by this. They create something they're not ready for. Because
Speaker 1: when you said, like be of service do you mean
Speaker 1: to your community?
Speaker 3: Do you mean to your future self?
Speaker 1: And kind of set yourself up for success by doing
Speaker 1: some of the legwork on certain situations.
Speaker 3: Now there are a couple of questions that I have
Speaker 3: on this one, honestly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's a huge concept to do the shadow
Speaker 2: work is to be of service to yourself, but it
Speaker 2: leads to being of service to humanity because you become
Speaker 2: an oracle, you become capable of explaining things. You become
Speaker 2: a mirror because you faced yourself, you become a reflective surface,
Speaker 2: and then you can help people see themselves. And so
Speaker 2: it's just a matter of finding a way to get
Speaker 2: to that position, and that might mean a construction job
Speaker 2: for a few more years before that becomes truly sustainable.
Speaker 2: We just have to be practical, so that we're not
Speaker 2: desperately trying to force ourself into a career that isn't
Speaker 2: totally set up yet.
Speaker 1: Is that what you mean by people are miserable because
Speaker 1: they're trying to force certain things that they're not ready for. Yes,
Speaker 1: got you, Because I've seen people do the same thing.
Speaker 1: They'll break off and do their own whatever that is,
Speaker 1: whether it's social media influencer, whether it's a T shirt company,
Speaker 1: whatever the case, they will bite off way more than
Speaker 1: they can chew. And although their intentions are in the
Speaker 1: right spot and they do have the correct mindset for it,
Speaker 1: they have a real good game plan, they also have
Speaker 1: no fucking clue what goes with that. They have no
Speaker 1: idea what kinds of bumps and bruises and curveballs that
Speaker 1: that particular industry will throw at them.
Speaker 3: So then give them a year or two, and they
Speaker 3: they're miserable. They're in so much stress because they don't
Speaker 3: realize the predicament that they've put themselves in. And so
Speaker 3: I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's too much pressure, you know, And it's just
Speaker 2: it doesn't have to be that way. Like I had
Speaker 2: to be a construction manager. You know as well as
Speaker 2: offer what I now do on this. You know, I
Speaker 2: had to do both. I had to work a lot
Speaker 2: of hours in both areas in order to eventu be
Speaker 2: able to shift over to where I'm at. But I
Speaker 2: have to also be willing to go back to construction
Speaker 2: management at any moment.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But if I create a big fear around that, like, oh,
Speaker 2: the stress of that will ruin me, and I like
Speaker 2: contract around that feeling, then that that's just super disempowering.
Speaker 2: So you have to become a warrior. You have to
Speaker 2: realize that this place is a battleground and you realize that,
Speaker 2: you know, in order to be strong, you have to
Speaker 2: walk towards the challenges rather than wait for them to come.
Speaker 1: To you, but also be aware not to dive off
Speaker 1: into the deep end of those challenges before you have
Speaker 1: the preparation to handle them.
Speaker 3: I'm with you one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: So, for instance, this podcast, Jonathan and I who was
Speaker 1: my former co host, we did this from twenty twenty
Speaker 1: to twenty twenty four. As it started off as a
Speaker 1: hobby kind of start. Can't went into the realm of
Speaker 1: side hustle. I had a full time job, a full career.
Speaker 1: I was an instrument tech. I went to college to
Speaker 1: get a degree in that field. And I could still
Speaker 1: I could go back on my tools right now and
Speaker 1: go to work if I so chose, But it also
Speaker 1: got to a point to where it's And for the record,
Speaker 1: I didn't hate my job.
Speaker 3: I didn't hate it. I didn't love it.
Speaker 1: I wasn't like super excited to go to work every morning.
Speaker 1: But I also didn't sit outside the gate and decide
Speaker 1: if I was going to put myself through that today
Speaker 1: and dread it. You know, it was it was a job.
Speaker 1: It put food on the table. But when it finally
Speaker 1: got to a point where I could pursue something that
Speaker 1: I really am passionate about, there was already four years
Speaker 1: worth of legwork that had gone into building it into
Speaker 1: what it was. So it wasn't a crazy, scary step
Speaker 1: off of anything. It was a it was like a
Speaker 1: lateral move, It was a it was an equilibrium transition
Speaker 1: if anything.
Speaker 2: For sure. That's awesome. Yeah, exactly. You just want to
Speaker 2: be realistic. Toltecs aren't spiritual. They're practical and magical.
Speaker 1: We are magical, Yeah, not spiritual. Well, it's practical and magical.
Speaker 1: I feel like the two get conflated to be the
Speaker 1: same thing. So what do you mean they're not.
Speaker 2: Spiritual energy is like it's it's just like an offset
Speaker 2: of religious energy, and so you just want to be
Speaker 2: but we're actually just magical creatures of awareness, but we
Speaker 2: need to be practical and realistic in order to activate
Speaker 2: that magic. And so spirituality has like a it's like
Speaker 2: tainted with like this syropy feel, and it's just not powerful.
Speaker 2: It's not powerful enough. It needs to be less. It
Speaker 2: needs to be less like fucking lovey and more like realistic,
Speaker 2: Like this place isn't just love like this place is
Speaker 2: fucking intense. It needs to be balanced, you know, we
Speaker 2: need to be realistic on every level of about what
Speaker 2: we're feeling.
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of the spiritual community, and
Speaker 1: I say this term very very broadly and very very loosely,
Speaker 1: and for any of our listeners that are of the
Speaker 1: spiritual mindset, please do not take what I'm saying as
Speaker 1: an offense, because I do not mean it in such ways.
Speaker 1: But a lot of them, like you said, they come
Speaker 1: at it from a genuine place of love, and there's
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 3: I understand where they're coming from.
Speaker 1: They have very good intentions, but I hear so many,
Speaker 1: so fucking many of them say things like, well, we
Speaker 1: just need to all come together as one unity and
Speaker 1: this awakenness and all realize we're all part of the
Speaker 1: same thing and this world could be a better place.
Speaker 1: That's like never actually going to fucking happen. Like, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that to shit on nobody.
Speaker 3: Again.
Speaker 1: What they're saying is coming from a very genuinely virtuous
Speaker 1: and good place, and I can respect it, but they
Speaker 1: also have deluded themselves into not understanding how reality works.
Speaker 1: So I think this kind of ties into what you're
Speaker 1: saying here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's like a form of deception that comes
Speaker 2: from the hive mind. Yeah, And so like we need
Speaker 2: to actually come to terms with what's actually what's occurring,
Speaker 2: which is that we're being energetically harvested. You know, we
Speaker 2: need to reclaim our power and we're on a battlefield.
Speaker 2: You can't just say nice words and make it sound
Speaker 2: cool and then convince yourself that everything's okay. Like, we've
Speaker 2: got to be realistic about the fact that this shits.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of stuff that we're people are spiritually
Speaker 2: bypassing and trying to say all these new age concepts
Speaker 2: that will make them feel good, but it's false positivity.
Speaker 2: It's it's not sustainable, and they're going to end up
Speaker 2: having to eventually feel the heavy side of things, and
Speaker 2: they're gonna get depressed, and then they're gonna take ssl
Speaker 2: rise because they're like unfamiliar with the heaviness because they've
Speaker 2: been propping up this spiritual concept that isn't sustainable.
Speaker 1: It's almost like a college kid that gets introduced to
Speaker 1: Marxism and like they understand, like in the college, yeah,
Speaker 1: it sounds like a great idea, and then they get
Speaker 1: to their mid thirties and they become wildly conservative because
Speaker 1: it's like, wait a minute, no, no, sixty percent of
Speaker 1: my money should not go to the government.
Speaker 3: This is bullshit.
Speaker 1: And then they get super, super depressed as a result
Speaker 1: of it. And it's like, again, I see where you were,
Speaker 1: and you were you really did believe you were in
Speaker 1: it for the right reasons. But it's it's time for
Speaker 1: rubber to meet the road, so to speak. So I
Speaker 1: hear what you're saying, but to kind of circle back
Speaker 1: to what you said here, it's not it's not these
Speaker 1: people are dumb or they're they're misinformed or any of
Speaker 1: that stuff. It does feel good and it's it's being
Speaker 1: done in a very positive way, so you know, I
Speaker 1: can at least put a little respect on that. But
Speaker 1: you're saying that all of this is it's like a
Speaker 1: false sense of security almost.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the New Age movement has been very like everything is,
Speaker 2: everything's a program and our archaics calls it dungeon programming.
Speaker 2: You know, so like once you can sense the programming,
Speaker 2: then you understand, you know, like that it's just hypnosis
Speaker 2: and you start being able to filter out that and
Speaker 2: become un willing to free yourself from as much hypnosis
Speaker 2: as possible. But it's lonely and you know, it's just
Speaker 2: painful and things. But twenty twenty, you know, was a
Speaker 2: really powerful time.
Speaker 3: A lot of people woke up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's served as a catalyst and so as painful,
Speaker 2: and you know, it was validating to me I knew
Speaker 2: the world was the way I knew it was like that,
Speaker 2: But it was finally I was able to see it.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: It was like, yes, that was so sad and at
Speaker 2: the same time so helpful to validate the fact that
Speaker 2: I was you know, that it was accurate what I thought.
Speaker 2: But that's going to continue to happen. We're going to
Speaker 2: continue to watch, you know, some of my mouths powerful
Speaker 2: psychic female teachers. You know, we're pushing the mask and
Speaker 2: the social distancing and the jabs, and that was so painful.
Speaker 2: But it also I needed that for my own ability
Speaker 2: to then become my own person. Otherwise I would have
Speaker 2: stayed under their wing, so to speak, you know, like
Speaker 2: it freed me from you know, all all kinds of things.
Speaker 3: So follow or go ahead, Raven, I'll see you getting
Speaker 3: ready to say something.
Speaker 5: Oh, go ahead.
Speaker 1: You said that we have to break out of the hypnosis?
Speaker 1: What is your take on hypnotism? And I don't mean
Speaker 1: the stage perform say, we're on the same page here,
Speaker 1: you and I so, And I don't mean stage performance
Speaker 1: of making somebody cluck like a chicken for the laughs, right,
Speaker 1: which you know, stage performance in stage magic. I feel
Speaker 1: like that's more of an illusion and a lot of
Speaker 1: people are in on it. Fine, but real hypnosis because
Speaker 1: I have friends of mine, my former co host, as
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, who does He is a licensed
Speaker 1: hpnotherapist and he does QHHT, which is in the realm
Speaker 1: of Dolores Cannon. He does past life regressions and primarily
Speaker 1: speaking to the higher self, all of these things. Now,
Speaker 1: I am not somebody who particularly believes in reincarnation or
Speaker 1: past lives. I've looked into it, and I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: shit on people that do believe in it. I get it.
Speaker 1: It's just not my jam. But that being said, I
Speaker 1: did experience a past life regression under hypnosis through him.
Speaker 1: Now I do not know if that was me Jacob
Speaker 1: experiencing a past life or if this is what happens
Speaker 1: when Jacob's imagination gets let off the leash and free
Speaker 1: to walk around a bit.
Speaker 3: And this is just kind of.
Speaker 1: What it spits out. Both are valid. Both are very valid,
Speaker 1: so hypnosis in and of themselves. What is your take
Speaker 1: on this?
Speaker 2: Well, we have something called an assemblage point that is
Speaker 2: like a small tennis ball sized ball of light that
Speaker 2: sits on the periphery of our cocoon in the backside here.
Speaker 2: And when it moves, you know, anytime it moves, that's
Speaker 2: a hypnotic experience. It's hypnosis, but it needs to move.
Speaker 2: That's how we assemble other realities and visions and travel
Speaker 2: and other layers of attention, but depending on the person's
Speaker 2: understanding of that, which most people have no clue what
Speaker 2: I'm talking about right now, So they're like a hypnotist
Speaker 2: and they don't really know what they're doing because they
Speaker 2: weren't trained properly by a seaman. Right, So we're just
Speaker 2: messing with a mechanism that we have no understanding of.
Speaker 2: My teacher could, like his eye would just rotate and
Speaker 2: become a black and white whirlpool, and I would like
Speaker 2: to pass out within a second if I was locked in,
Speaker 2: because he was able to unbind from his physical form
Speaker 2: and perform acts of perception. That So I'm seventeen years
Speaker 2: old and I'm, you know, in the presence of a
Speaker 2: wizard that can put you in hypnosis by moving his
Speaker 2: eyeball in a you know, in a circle, and it's
Speaker 2: it's fucking disturbing as fuck.
Speaker 1: Well out, Wow, this sounds pretty scary. Honestly, I'm sure
Speaker 1: you trusted the guy and all that, but what the fuck?
Speaker 2: So, yeah, I mean, you know it, there are many
Speaker 2: people that can do this, but I was in the
Speaker 2: presence of someone daily every day, you know, for years
Speaker 2: that was doing these things to me, and so you know,
Speaker 2: hypnosis is a just a different position of perception than
Speaker 2: the regular one.
Speaker 1: So the people that get hypnotized to quit smoking, for instance.
Speaker 1: You take this as from what you sound what you're
Speaker 1: saying here, it sounds like hypnosis is a relatively negative
Speaker 1: thing overall.
Speaker 2: No, it's just that the common person doesn't understand the
Speaker 2: mechanism in which they're working with, and ignorance is bliss sure,
Speaker 2: And it's also.
Speaker 5: Not you know, reminds me of light therapy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like light.
Speaker 4: Therapy is one of those things that has been gaining
Speaker 4: a lot of traction, and I've read a lot of
Speaker 4: research on the positive aspects, but I've also known personally
Speaker 4: people that have done light therapy that have had very
Speaker 4: intense negative reactions to it, and then they've been They've
Speaker 4: tried to put them in hypnosis to reverse that negative reaction.
Speaker 4: And we've actually all talked about me trying to be hypnotized.
Speaker 5: When I say try, I don't know how well that
Speaker 5: would go.
Speaker 4: I have actually used hypnosis for birth, but even that
Speaker 4: I struggled heavy with I did. I believed in changing
Speaker 4: my mindset when it came to how I viewed birth,
Speaker 4: and that's what I valued most about the hypnosis that
Speaker 4: I use, and I swear up and down by hypno
Speaker 4: birthing for anybody to give birth, because I believe that
Speaker 4: we need to change the fear based mindset, and that's
Speaker 4: what a lot of this was about.
Speaker 5: But when they would talk about focusing on this.
Speaker 4: Orange glow to come over your body and stuff, and
Speaker 4: you count down and you have a finger drop, so
Speaker 4: you countdown, she would say, you know, three, two, one,
Speaker 4: and you're gonna drop your finger.
Speaker 5: You're in hypnosis. And I was like, yeah, but I'm not,
Speaker 5: though I'm really not. And but like I would, I
Speaker 5: would try.
Speaker 4: No, I didn't delude myself. I would try very hard
Speaker 4: to be in that state. But like I've said previously,
Speaker 4: I struggle with letting go.
Speaker 5: I'm very very.
Speaker 4: Much a control freak, which is interesting when it comes
Speaker 4: to dreams, because I find myself being able to let
Speaker 4: go more in dreams, like I'm able to like recognize
Speaker 4: that I'm in a dream and I'm not fearful. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 4: so what is this kind of a thing. So hypnosis
Speaker 4: to me is an interesting thing. I've seen it work
Speaker 4: and i've seen it not work. I've seen it do
Speaker 4: a lot of damage to people. It's it's like a
Speaker 4: hit or miss depending on the practitionery, depending on where
Speaker 4: they are.
Speaker 5: I feel like in their mindset, so fine.
Speaker 1: I hear it saying in dreams said, you're able to
Speaker 1: let go more? Is it that you're able to or
Speaker 1: because you don't have a choice and you have to?
Speaker 4: But I do. But I feel truly that I have
Speaker 4: a choice because I have actually gotten myself out of
Speaker 4: dreams in specific situations where like I really didn't want
Speaker 4: to be there and I'm like, I'm done, I'm done
Speaker 4: being here and I want to leave. And I've been
Speaker 4: able to get myself out of quite a few of
Speaker 4: the dreams that I no longer want to be in.
Speaker 4: But I recognize that I'm in a different, something different.
Speaker 4: I don't know how to explain the dream world to
Speaker 4: if you don't dream in that vivid sense. It's a
Speaker 4: difficult thing for me. For me personally, I feel like
Speaker 4: it depends on where I'm at. There are certain dreams
Speaker 4: that I've had reoccurring since I was a child, and
Speaker 4: I've been in these dreams since I was like four
Speaker 4: years old. And that's why I asked about reincarnation, is
Speaker 4: because specifically I have a dream that I'm this other person.
Speaker 4: I could tell you everything I mean. And it's interesting
Speaker 4: you said about your hands. That's the first thing as
Speaker 4: I do when I'm in the dream is I look
Speaker 4: at my hands and my feet and I'm standing in dirt.
Speaker 5: My feet, my toes are in this bind. Toes are
Speaker 5: in the dirt.
Speaker 4: I'm in a field and I look at my hands
Speaker 4: and I'm touching the wheat grass. And that's every time.
Speaker 4: That's where I start, and that's where I and I
Speaker 4: go through my whole life. And I have I have
Speaker 4: a son, I have a wife. I'm a man actually
Speaker 4: in the dream, which is interesting, but.
Speaker 5: I'm a warrior. I have all of the in it.
Speaker 5: I've had it since I was little, and it's the
Speaker 5: same thing.
Speaker 4: And I that one doesn't shift. I'm able to certain dreams.
Speaker 4: I'm able to hyper fixate on things and they don't shift.
Speaker 4: Some dreams it's like a it's like a slideshow, you know,
Speaker 4: and I'm skipping through everything really quickly until I find
Speaker 4: a place where I want to be, and then I
Speaker 4: have stopped. I don't really know how to interpret those
Speaker 4: or really think about I never really put a lot
Speaker 4: of thought into it. People have told me to think,
Speaker 4: like find out more information.
Speaker 5: And I'm like, I don't know. I just thought everybody
Speaker 5: dreamed like this.
Speaker 2: Well that's that's your parallel life. Yeah, so it's it's
Speaker 2: simultaneously happening with this life. It's a really beautiful gift
Speaker 2: that Toultec's actually work really hard to be able to
Speaker 2: achieve what you've already achieved, you know. So it's it's
Speaker 2: just really advanced and it's not typical, but you know,
Speaker 2: it's when you have a gift like that. It's not
Speaker 2: easy to have the gift because you like don't know
Speaker 2: what to do with it, and you know, you don't
Speaker 2: have the proper like sort of teachers and things to
Speaker 2: figure out what to do with it all. But I
Speaker 2: was with my friend on I mean, you know, I
Speaker 2: was young, and he got out of jail and he
Speaker 2: was schizophrenic and he wanted to take acid with us,
Speaker 2: and his older brother said, don't you know, don't fucking
Speaker 2: let him, dude, like you don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2: But I did, and he shifted into one of this.
Speaker 2: He started speaking as if he lived in England and
Speaker 2: he you know, had had kids and was like telling
Speaker 2: us all about his life, and for like two days
Speaker 2: straight he was in his parallel being. It wasn't him.
Speaker 3: Two days How much did you give him?
Speaker 2: Just a hit of that, like a single hit?
Speaker 1: God damn.
Speaker 2: But but he was already you know, he was just
Speaker 2: primed and ready. We had already taken lots of ecstasy
Speaker 2: and LSD in the past, and he had spent a
Speaker 2: lot of time and being traumatized and mental awards on
Speaker 2: top of you know, jails and prisons. So different people
Speaker 2: have different capacities. You know, that has nothing to do
Speaker 2: with the out It has to do with this what
Speaker 2: I referred to as the summage point, and so reading
Speaker 2: the Constantata material really explains the nature of these things.
Speaker 2: But yeah, these parallel lives are amazing. To one of
Speaker 2: my teachers always feels like she's constantly having to pull
Speaker 2: a gun. You know, she doesn't even have a gun,
Speaker 2: but like she's walking down the street and she's just like,
Speaker 2: you know, it's like really uncomfortable and like annoying that
Speaker 2: she's constantly in this other layer of the union at
Speaker 2: the same time or she's just trying to be a
Speaker 2: normal person. So it's a really tricky thing. To figure
Speaker 2: out the balance here, because we are a multiplicity of
Speaker 2: being an awareness, and yet we're supposed to pretend to
Speaker 2: be normal and function here. It's not easy.
Speaker 4: It's not especially when I am daid dreaming and I
Speaker 4: get sucked into it, like another place, and then I
Speaker 4: can't get out of it, and I'm like, all day long,
Speaker 4: I'm in this world and I'm just functioning here, but
Speaker 4: I'm not actually, like it's crazy. I've actually driven long
Speaker 4: distances and I've perfectly drive, not gonna harm nobody.
Speaker 5: But I am literally not there.
Speaker 4: I am totally off in another place and just functioning here,
Speaker 4: but I'm someplace else, and it's I'm like, I hope
Speaker 4: that I'm not a crazy person, because all daydream like.
Speaker 1: That, like especially while driving or something like that. I'll
Speaker 1: daydream dreaming while I'm sleeping. It sounds fun, It sounds
Speaker 1: fun what y'all are able to do, and I wish
Speaker 1: I was able to. But I'm man, Yeah, for the
Speaker 1: one or two dreams a year I might have, they're
Speaker 1: they're never really these like crazy, profound things. It's usually
Speaker 1: something that I forget five minutes after I wake up.
Speaker 1: But the daydreaming, though with my adhd ass. Yeah, I'd
Speaker 1: be daydreaming all day long.
Speaker 3: It's awesome.
Speaker 4: But yeah, what do you think about ghosts? Like, how
Speaker 4: do you how do you feel about spirits and stuff?
Speaker 4: If we're living in a parallel and where you don't
Speaker 4: have a pass in the future, we're all living right
Speaker 4: now in the memory. What are they an echo of
Speaker 4: the memory? Are they an echo of a time of
Speaker 4: another person at some point?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so everything's not linear, but we try to understand
Speaker 2: it as if as if it is so. Like my
Speaker 2: girlfriend died when she was nineteen, tragically in a car accident.
Speaker 2: I was twenty one. Sorry, so yeah, we were really close.
Speaker 2: But she showed up after she died, and she spoke
Speaker 2: to me verbally out loud, like I was laying on
Speaker 2: this couch in my room falling, and she said, it's okay,
Speaker 2: a jol And it was like, I fucking I couldn't
Speaker 2: handle it. I screamed, you know, I fucking lost it.
Speaker 2: I was like the fuck And you know, but a
Speaker 2: few months later she like showed up again and she
Speaker 2: pulled me out my window, Like I walked right out
Speaker 2: my window into this balcony and stepped off this ledge
Speaker 2: and I did something physically I couldn't have done. I
Speaker 2: like just my body just like exited the window and
Speaker 2: like went outside, and she turned my body to the
Speaker 2: north and then to the east and the south and
Speaker 2: the west, and she just explained the world to me.
Speaker 2: She taught me how to move my body in a
Speaker 2: way that I wasn't physical. It was like it was
Speaker 2: just turning on its own. And then I working with
Speaker 2: mushrooms and LSTs at raves over the future, she would
Speaker 2: teach me how.
Speaker 3: To dance hall yeah.
Speaker 2: Show up and like gave me this incredible experience of
Speaker 2: you know, moving beyond my own limitations. And then she
Speaker 2: became a guide and I went and worked with shamans
Speaker 2: and they're like, who's your helper? Like she's really powerful
Speaker 2: and like so I became connected to her more than
Speaker 2: I was when she was here. But I do believe
Speaker 2: she moved on, But she left all these teachings inside
Speaker 2: of my lifetime. Like when she died, she like went
Speaker 2: into all of my lifetime and like left these all
Speaker 2: these really beautiful gifts. But she's also moved on. And
Speaker 2: therefore the echo you talk about, it's like this it's
Speaker 2: a real thing, you know, and it's because it's not linear.
Speaker 2: We don't we can't make sense of it in a
Speaker 2: linear fashion. It has to be understood in a way
Speaker 2: that's more expansive.
Speaker 4: Wow, that's when my grandma passed. I was my dad
Speaker 4: and my grandma.
Speaker 5: They both passed at hospice at home with me.
Speaker 4: And when my grandma, she had experienced a stroke in
Speaker 4: the middle of the night, and she was you know,
Speaker 4: if anyone's ever experienced death, there's specific stages in how
Speaker 4: people pass and she was very not aware of what
Speaker 4: was around her or anything like that.
Speaker 5: But in the final moments.
Speaker 4: Before she passed, she shifted her She was looking behind
Speaker 4: my shoulder and I was holding her hand, and she
Speaker 4: turned and like her eyes just turned and looked straight
Speaker 4: at me, and I felt like we were experiencing something. I'm
Speaker 4: not gonna get emotional. It was really profound. And then
Speaker 4: she passed away. And it was interesting because my her sister,
Speaker 4: and my uncle and a couple other people all passed
Speaker 4: on this same days of each other, and everybody had
Speaker 4: said in their final moments that they had saw other
Speaker 4: family members, and I felt like I had already felt
Speaker 4: like my other family members were present with me behind
Speaker 4: me and then it was like she was saying.
Speaker 5: Her final goodbye.
Speaker 4: But I'm not leaving, and I feel and I've talked
Speaker 4: about it on the show before that I feel her
Speaker 4: essence around me, and then I smell her before anything else.
Speaker 4: I can she had a very distinct smell of perfume
Speaker 4: and that she I like, I feel her, but I
Speaker 4: don't feel her.
Speaker 5: It's a weird thing.
Speaker 4: But I see her in my dreams every now and again,
Speaker 4: but it's not in the same way as I experience
Speaker 4: other people in my dreams. It's like I.
Speaker 5: Can see it's almost she's like a shimmery like glitter
Speaker 5: almost of like she's there just letting me know. But
Speaker 5: it's not.
Speaker 4: I'm not fully here with you. I'm enjoying where I
Speaker 4: am next. And so it's a it's an interesting thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there are many many people that I have lost,
Speaker 2: you know, that I'm in contact with, and each one
Speaker 2: is different as to how intensely available they are. It
Speaker 2: has to do with their awareness as when they died.
Speaker 2: So like Erica, my girlfriend is very available, like this
Speaker 2: really huge calmn of energy, and then I have friends
Speaker 2: that are really very faint and everything in between. So
Speaker 2: it's very fascinating. It's just sort it's sort of representative
Speaker 2: of like my life. There's certain people that are larger
Speaker 2: than life and there's people that are not as energized. Sure,
Speaker 2: so it's just it sort of translates, you know, in
Speaker 2: the ghost realm, and it's just fascinating. And we have
Speaker 2: so much to learn from understanding that there. We're not alone.
Speaker 2: We don't share this We're not Yeah, we share this
Speaker 2: world with inorganic beings, creatures that don't have physical form
Speaker 2: but are here. And there are ghosts that have a
Speaker 2: hard time passing on or crossing and they get confused
Speaker 2: and they hijack a home or they you know, they
Speaker 2: possess people. They are in fear of what's next or
Speaker 2: what judgments they might have of themselves. You know, they're
Speaker 2: not able to really face that transition. So it's intense
Speaker 2: to come to terms with the spirit world. There's all
Speaker 2: kinds of beings that you can interact with and you know,
Speaker 2: and it can be uncomfortable. The hair on the back
Speaker 2: of your neck can you know, get risen and all that,
Speaker 2: but eventually you learn to make peace with the fact
Speaker 2: that we are more to this place than we were.
Speaker 1: Told that being said, now it's kind of shifting gears,
Speaker 1: but only slightly.
Speaker 3: As far as the beings that.
Speaker 1: May or may not be organic material. What is your
Speaker 1: take on alien life? I'm just curious because we've had
Speaker 1: this talk with so many different people, and some don't
Speaker 1: believe in aliens, but they believe in demons. And some
Speaker 1: will say that aliens are time travelers. They will say
Speaker 1: they're interdimensional beings. Some say they are absolutely living into
Speaker 1: ties from two galaxies over like, there's no right or
Speaker 1: wrong on this.
Speaker 3: It's all speculation and hypotheticals.
Speaker 1: But as we're talking about these types of beings that
Speaker 1: are there but are not there, and depending on who
Speaker 1: you ask, gives a different answer. What is Joel's take
Speaker 1: on alien life?
Speaker 2: Thank you amazing question. So the Totecs, and I agree
Speaker 2: with them, is that there are alien worlds, and.
Speaker 1: But that do you mean on an ethereal plane or
Speaker 1: do you mean actual planetaries.
Speaker 2: It all has to do with the position of your
Speaker 2: own perceptual mechanisms. So there is no outer world, there's
Speaker 2: only the inner world. Everything is perception, okay, and so.
Speaker 1: Which is really that's kind of deep? Are you saying
Speaker 1: like Mars doesn't exist.
Speaker 2: Well, Mars is likely a sun of a distant realm. Like,
Speaker 2: it's not a physical place, it's just a light in
Speaker 2: the sky.
Speaker 3: So you're a flat earther.
Speaker 2: No, I'm well, I mean I don't think flat Earth
Speaker 2: is appropriate. I think that there's the heliocentric model is ridiculous. Right,
Speaker 2: It's it's just retarded to the to the max. But
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean that we have any understanding of the
Speaker 2: realm in which we operate in. It's it's just a
Speaker 2: completely psychedelic experience to be in a perceptual intensity. So
Speaker 2: what we've been told by these beings that claim to
Speaker 2: have these appropriate capacity to inspect what's going on is
Speaker 2: it's I am convinced that they've been, you know, used
Speaker 2: as a means to hypnotize humanity to the max. Right,
Speaker 2: Like that's the main deceiving mechanism is to convince people,
Speaker 2: right that there's another place to go. Okay, right, That's
Speaker 2: like the moon is in a physical body, you can't
Speaker 2: like create Like what Elon Musk is telling everyone right now,
Speaker 2: We're going to go build a place there. That's not
Speaker 2: possible because it's it's not a physical it's not a
Speaker 2: rock either, is the Earth, though the Earth is in
Speaker 2: a physical place, we're having a hallucination.
Speaker 5: Like the actual matrix itself.
Speaker 4: Do you believe like we're in the actual matrix kind
Speaker 4: of like kind of like the movie where we're we're
Speaker 4: like kind of hooked up to something.
Speaker 5: We're in a dream state.
Speaker 2: Kind of like. But it's not technological, it's just energetic.
Speaker 2: So if you could go backwards through the stream of
Speaker 2: consciousness to that which is projecting this experience, then you
Speaker 2: could jump grooves to other worlds where you could encounter aliens. Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: and those aliens are real, but they will like if
Speaker 2: you were to go into their world and not be detached,
Speaker 2: they would see you and come after you and crush you.
Speaker 2: Like it's like fucking brutal. You would not want to
Speaker 2: go there unless you'd become detached, and you would have
Speaker 2: to act like they'd act. You have to shape shift
Speaker 2: into the experience that they don't don't recognize you, which
Speaker 2: is happening all the time in this world. So I
Speaker 2: think that's.
Speaker 4: Wrong here and they're acting like us, and that's what's
Speaker 4: kind of happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's so many different visitors here that are pretending
Speaker 2: to be human, but they're not, and your ability to
Speaker 2: tell the difference will determine you trying. Your ability to
Speaker 2: see energy vice versa, your ability to go to their
Speaker 2: world without getting noticed will determine your capacity to survive.
Speaker 2: So this is in a physical place. Mars is in
Speaker 2: a physical place. But that doesn't mean we can't go
Speaker 2: visit Mars. But we can't do it with our rocket
Speaker 2: ship like they say, that's all total bullshit.
Speaker 1: So if hypothetically visit them, the SpaceX makes it to
Speaker 1: Mars in the next five years, ten years, who knows,
Speaker 1: and we get actual human life walking around on Mars
Speaker 1: and doing the things you think, there's a complete scio.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like they're just going to Greenland.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, gotcha or whatever.
Speaker 2: Like it's all just it's so ridiculous like that we
Speaker 2: we you can't go through like everything. If if it
Speaker 2: were the model that they said it was, we wouldn't
Speaker 2: survive that journey. Okay, we don't have the tech, Like
Speaker 2: it doesn't make any sense at all. We're not we're
Speaker 2: not moving.
Speaker 5: They're trying to.
Speaker 4: They're trying to use bat blood to get us to
Speaker 4: mutate our blood pretty much like genetic editing and sequencing
Speaker 4: and using that blood to make us better to be
Speaker 4: able to travel in space and to be able to survive.
Speaker 5: They're also trying to.
Speaker 4: Use potentially glitter as glitter fountains to change the atmosphere
Speaker 4: on Mars to make it more habitable to fit our
Speaker 4: needs as humans, because glitter actually is the way that
Speaker 4: it's cut and stuff, but actually they're you and cloud seeding,
Speaker 4: and so they're trying to change how that whole atmosphere
Speaker 4: is to warm it up and to make it more
Speaker 4: to make water happen pretty much. So those are kind
Speaker 4: of what's been talked about in the sense of making
Speaker 4: these things happen. So I don't know if those are real,
Speaker 4: but that's kind of what the conversation has been about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I don't perceive, I don't believe any
Speaker 2: of that. I think it's all just story. Is I
Speaker 2: don't think you know that we're dealing with reality when
Speaker 2: we go into any of the NASA paradigms, like that
Speaker 2: the Sun is not ninety three million miles away and
Speaker 2: it's not blasting off all these solar flares. All that
Speaker 2: is based on NASA, and NASA is the ultimate deceiver.
Speaker 2: Everything is a massive hypnosis is to think in the
Speaker 2: way that they've conditioned us, since we have to extract
Speaker 2: from that deception, and that's social at its core, because
Speaker 2: if you come out as saying the heliocentric model is nonsense,
Speaker 2: you're going to be attacked, you know. But that's the
Speaker 2: freedom is realizing that these people are the ultimate deceivers.
Speaker 2: It's all bullshit. We have no idea what we're dealing with,
Speaker 2: and nobody does, and anybody that claims to is absolutely insane.
Speaker 2: And the majority of people believe that stuff that are
Speaker 2: associated but it's all from the top down. So the
Speaker 2: people that run this world know that that stuff's not true,
Speaker 2: but they allow incredible amounts of people to perceive it
Speaker 2: as such. So if David Eick were to ever come
Speaker 2: out of the heliocentric model, he would come out of
Speaker 2: hypnosis and be able to make sense of so many
Speaker 2: of the things that he's already discovered. But because he's
Speaker 2: still caught in that idea, he still thinks said Graham Hancock,
Speaker 2: and all those people are accurate about their history, but
Speaker 2: all that stuff is dude.
Speaker 3: You hate listen.
Speaker 1: I love Graham Hancock, I do for entertainment purposes.
Speaker 3: I think I think he's phenomenal to listen to.
Speaker 1: But trying to even because I'm a history buff, right
Speaker 1: to try to listen to him and try to make
Speaker 1: it line up with the smallest tidbit of historical accuracy.
Speaker 1: Is it's like taking Star Wars to be a historical documentary.
Speaker 1: It's it's entertainment. This is not what we're supposed to
Speaker 1: apply to our actual lives.
Speaker 5: You know, don't you hate on Star Wars?
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm sorry. The Jedi actually never existed. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: to be that one.
Speaker 3: I guess you're right. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I wasn't aligned years ago in a galaxy far away.
Speaker 3: You're right, I don't be knowing. I just be thinking.
Speaker 3: I guess I don't know Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: But I do believe that alien worlds exist, and I
Speaker 2: believe we are capable of going into these other worlds,
Speaker 2: and I think that they're meaningful and that we can
Speaker 2: learn a lot from our relations.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: And I'm not suggesting that there are not discoveries to
Speaker 2: make through science that is being utilized through physics, but
Speaker 2: even that the understanding of like nuclear physics and stuff
Speaker 2: has been deceived. We've been We've been given a whole
Speaker 2: storyline that's based on disease that isn't accurate, and it
Speaker 2: really is a massive hypnosis to free yourself. So, like
Speaker 2: Steve Young wrote a book called a Fool's Wisdom, and
Speaker 2: he was a really you know, well indoctrinated, you know
Speaker 2: scientists in the realm of nuclear physicists, being a nuclear physicist,
Speaker 2: and he exposed the whole industry is everything we've been
Speaker 2: told about war weapons, UFOs, you know, it's all interdimensional,
Speaker 2: it's all it's all local, right, So like there is
Speaker 2: an underworld, there is there are beings that there are
Speaker 2: hidden bases, there are ships, there are systems, super advanced
Speaker 2: AI material military developments that exist that have been you know,
Speaker 2: kept from us so that it can appear to be otherworldly,
Speaker 2: but it's really just local. Our ability to go to
Speaker 2: other worlds has to do with what Costaneda wrote about,
Speaker 2: and it has nothing to do with rocket ships. It
Speaker 2: has to do with our perceptual capacity to go there
Speaker 2: through the interdimensional layers, not the outer not the extra terrestrial.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, I have.
Speaker 4: So there's like a dream I've had a lot of
Speaker 4: with like specific people over and over again, and it's weird.
Speaker 4: I always meet in this central meeting place, so like
Speaker 4: it's it's in the middle of a field, and it's
Speaker 4: like everyone kind of porls in almost from different realms,
Speaker 4: and it's always like it's like they it opens up
Speaker 4: and everybody kind of comes in from different realms and
Speaker 4: it's like in this central communal meeting place and it's
Speaker 4: like the I wouldn't say everyone's the same. Certain people
Speaker 4: I interact with all the time, and then there's other
Speaker 4: people that are there. They're not even people, honestly, they're
Speaker 4: I don't even know what they are. They don't look
Speaker 4: like people, but they're very friendly and they're kind of
Speaker 4: like all just doing their own thing. It's almost like
Speaker 4: a big Saturday market, but from like everybody else from
Speaker 4: different places. And I've had that dream for two decades probably,
Speaker 4: and it's a it's a wild place, I mean I've
Speaker 4: had They're very friendly and I can't talk a lot
Speaker 4: of the languages and stuff. I've eaten a lot of
Speaker 4: weird things and like like watched a lot of like
Speaker 4: interesting interactions and stuff. And it always ends with a
Speaker 4: campfire and me like saying I'll see you again, and
Speaker 4: then that's and then it could be like I could
Speaker 4: see them in six months, I could see them a
Speaker 4: year from now.
Speaker 5: And it just comes and goes, and I just show
Speaker 5: up randomly. It's when I'm in the most deep sleep.
Speaker 4: It's like it fades in really dark, like I'm almost
Speaker 4: like black, and then all of a sudden, I'm like
Speaker 4: waking up into this field and then I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: it's all the people I've met before. And I've had
Speaker 4: that dream a lot. Like that's kind of where when
Speaker 4: you're talking about other beings and like going other places,
Speaker 4: that's the only like, really one thing that's happened a
Speaker 4: lot is me going to this place where other people
Speaker 4: or creatures or whatever we want to say, have been
Speaker 4: coming into. Is that something like you're kind of talking about,
Speaker 4: like if you don't actually accidentally get to these other
Speaker 4: places that want to kill you, but you know, a
Speaker 4: communal meeting ground in between, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean forces rise to meet each other. Right, So
Speaker 2: there's just as much support and networking as there is
Speaker 2: interference to try to keep you from discovering that that
Speaker 2: we're all connected. So I was super fortunate to be
Speaker 2: in the presence of these beautiful yetti. They were white,
Speaker 2: you know, they don't look like the way that they
Speaker 2: appeared in like on social media, like really beautiful, soft energy.
Speaker 2: And we were being hunted in the dream and there
Speaker 2: was no fear. It was just like total joy and
Speaker 2: it was so powerful, like so beautiful and.
Speaker 1: Simple fear because the YETI knew that they weren't going
Speaker 1: to get hit anyway, so it didn't matter.
Speaker 2: I don't know what, I don't know. It was just
Speaker 2: so crazy to me to be so experiencing so much
Speaker 2: fear and so much like not fear at the same time. Wow,
Speaker 2: Like their lack of fear made me fearless. It was
Speaker 2: like we were protected by our joy.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 4: I guess if this reality here on this plane or
Speaker 4: were you someplace else like.
Speaker 2: You, I don't know. It was in a deep, deep,
Speaker 2: deep dream, you know fault. Yeah, And I just you know,
Speaker 2: I just I just believe that there's so many things
Speaker 2: going on and that Yeah, there's these interdimensional like playgrounds
Speaker 2: where people come and hang out and you know, talk
Speaker 2: and tell, you know, exchange stories about what they're going
Speaker 2: through back in their world, and we just don't we
Speaker 2: just don't acknowledge how amazing we are, and so we
Speaker 2: think of these things as imagination. But I think that
Speaker 2: what you experience is real. I think what I experienced
Speaker 2: is real. I think they're helping me right now. You know,
Speaker 2: all the time I made a connection with them. I
Speaker 2: had a medicine woman lend me her helpers, and she
Speaker 2: had already bridged a relationship with these particular type of yetti's.
Speaker 2: So I don't think it's just random. I think they
Speaker 2: came to me because my teacher gifted them to me.
Speaker 2: So I think there's there's encounters that are more intentional,
Speaker 2: and then there's ones that are just random. But regardless,
Speaker 2: that doesn't make one thing more important than the other.
Speaker 2: You know, you're you're probably more advanced in your dream
Speaker 2: dreaming than I am, based on what you've shared with me.
Speaker 2: It's just a matter of realizing that and then taking
Speaker 2: action to make use of your gift rather than like
Speaker 2: question it your whole life, like you can spend your
Speaker 2: whole lif I've been like, oh what the fuck? You know,
Speaker 2: what is this shit? Or you can like what we
Speaker 2: say is you either use your medicine or it turns
Speaker 2: against you.
Speaker 5: Mhm.
Speaker 2: So you want to you want to be thankful for
Speaker 2: your gifts rather than think of them as curses mm,
Speaker 2: and start to engage with them at some point when
Speaker 2: you feel ready, you know, and then you'll be able
Speaker 2: to validate these things for yourself. Wow.
Speaker 4: I've definitely gotten a lot better, I would say, over
Speaker 4: the last probably decade with understanding the dreams, or at
Speaker 4: least working through the dreams.
Speaker 5: I watched that movie Inception, and I really thought a
Speaker 5: long time on the.
Speaker 4: Movie because I just it was it was an interesting
Speaker 4: concept because it was like, Okay, I I know, you
Speaker 4: know what it feels like to be in a dream
Speaker 4: and realize you're in a dream or have a fixed
Speaker 4: point of something and being like, hmm, this doesn't seem right.
Speaker 4: And I've only had it one time that I can remember,
Speaker 4: but I had like a three layer dream where I
Speaker 4: woke up and I had to force myself to wake
Speaker 4: up again, and then I knew that I still wasn't
Speaker 4: actually awake, but it was it was almost like wading
Speaker 4: through quicksand to get to the last level to wake up,
Speaker 4: and it was a wild The whole thing start to
Speaker 4: finish was just crazy. I felt like I was in
Speaker 4: there for a decade when I woke up. I was
Speaker 4: so just exhausted waking up from it, and it was
Speaker 4: it wasn't anything super negative.
Speaker 5: I was experiencing.
Speaker 4: I was working through some trauma in the first two
Speaker 4: layers that I had experience in my life, and the
Speaker 4: third layer was like trying to let go and move forward.
Speaker 4: So that was the really that was the hardest part,
Speaker 4: because it was like trying to be like, Okay, I
Speaker 4: want to move on, and I know I'm in a
Speaker 4: dream and I'm tired of being in this stream, and
Speaker 4: i want to get out of this stream.
Speaker 5: I want to go back to my real life.
Speaker 4: And that was I've only really experienced that one time,
Speaker 4: and that was about a year after I lost my grandma,
Speaker 4: And so that was a really intense dream at least
Speaker 4: for me to try to you know, and then you
Speaker 4: talk to people about it, you're like, oh, you're just crazy,
Speaker 4: and it's like but like I woke up and I
Speaker 4: felt like I had done so much in this short
Speaker 4: amount of time, but I felt like I had lived
Speaker 4: so long inside of these dreams.
Speaker 5: It was crazy, Yeah, oh you did you know?
Speaker 2: So, like for the Toll text, they can go into
Speaker 2: a dream world where they spend ten years, but they
Speaker 2: come back and it was only ten seconds.
Speaker 5: Hmm, right, And so that's what it feels like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the dreaming gates. So Inception and the Matrix
Speaker 2: were both written because of the Costaneda books. They couldn't
Speaker 2: have wrote those books without the Castaneda books. They are
Speaker 2: the premise for those understandings. If you can go to
Speaker 2: sleep in a dream, or go to sleep tonight, maybe
Speaker 2: on your left side or on your back, and you
Speaker 2: enter into a dream, if you can go find a
Speaker 2: bed and lay down in the same position that you
Speaker 2: want to sleep in in your normal life, and then
Speaker 2: wake up in another dream and then do it again,
Speaker 2: you'll be waking up in the third gate of dreaming.
Speaker 2: And it's more real there than it is here.
Speaker 4: It really felt like it was deeply real. I mean
Speaker 4: it took me a long time to realize that it
Speaker 4: was dream. I was really struggling. I thought I had
Speaker 4: finally woken up, and you know, it just was like
Speaker 4: a it was like an itch in the back of
Speaker 4: my mind of like this isn't real, Like this isn't
Speaker 4: this isn't where you're supposed to be, Like this is
Speaker 4: you're experiencing it. But I normally actually fall asleep on
Speaker 4: my left side actually, and it's definitely dreaming is very intense.
Speaker 5: It can be some of them are very scary, not
Speaker 5: a lot, but some of them are have shown me
Speaker 5: true characters of people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like the you know, they're presenting themselves as one way,
Speaker 4: and everyone around you is.
Speaker 5: They're the best people ever.
Speaker 4: And it's just like I have a dream about them,
Speaker 4: and then I have another dream and I'm just like,
Speaker 4: they're not what they seem. I really don't like them.
Speaker 4: I don't believe them, and then lo and behold. Eventually
Speaker 4: it comes out that like, oh no, they were actually
Speaker 4: crappy people.
Speaker 5: It's just they're really good at deception.
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, there's so many layers. So that so like
Speaker 2: when you are dreaming at night and you you know,
Speaker 2: for one, even if you don't remember your dreams, it
Speaker 2: doesn't mean you're dream you're not dreaming, it's just that
Speaker 2: you don't remember them. So everybody dreams constantly. It's just
Speaker 2: that your perception moves to such a far place that
Speaker 2: when you come back it's just all material that's unavailable.
Speaker 2: So it's actually a good sign. That means you're moving
Speaker 2: really far away from your normal perception.
Speaker 1: No, they've done studies on me. They've done scans while
Speaker 1: I was asleep. My brain is basically dead, aside from
Speaker 1: keeping my heart pumping and my lungs inflating. I don't dream, man,
Speaker 1: I'm basically in a coma. And don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: in a certain regard, I get.
Speaker 3: Some really good sleep.
Speaker 1: I'm be honest with the second tone of that, though,
Speaker 1: I really wish I could dream like y'all. It sounds
Speaker 1: like a good time, it really does.
Speaker 4: It's a party, man, I'm not here eating some random
Speaker 4: shit with some some other aliens.
Speaker 2: Well, and I don't. I don't. I don't believe the
Speaker 2: people that are telling you that your activity isn't active
Speaker 2: like I think that's probably means you're even further away.
Speaker 2: It's the not doing when you're not active, where the
Speaker 2: most magic happens. So if you can shut down the brain,
Speaker 2: if you can go into the not doing, right, this
Speaker 2: whole place is doing. If you cannot do, that's where
Speaker 2: the real magic happens.
Speaker 1: So I agree, every guy's got a nothing box up top.
Speaker 3: That is my magic box.
Speaker 1: That's where the best things take place.
Speaker 3: You're right about that, But yeah.
Speaker 2: These are these beings that we are dreaming with at night.
Speaker 2: We might think we're talking to our aunt or uncle
Speaker 2: or mom or cousin or girlfriend, but if you really
Speaker 2: look in their eyes, there's something really not normal. They're
Speaker 2: not human. They're just shape shifters pretending to be your
Speaker 2: aunt or uncle or grandpa or whatever. And so we
Speaker 2: want to understand that that we're dealing with interdimensional beings
Speaker 2: that are shape shifters that are pretending to be people
Speaker 2: that we are familiar with, and that's how they get
Speaker 2: a rise out of our energy. And so, like, I'll
Speaker 2: be hanging out with my uncle and then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, my uncle has become my grandma. Then my
Speaker 2: grandma has become my girlfriend. I'm like, this is disgusting.
Speaker 2: What the fuck kind of weird shit is happening? Like,
Speaker 2: but I can't catch it in time, you know, And
Speaker 2: I'm caught in all this weird confusion around all the
Speaker 2: things that you know, like are the most disturbing is
Speaker 2: because of all the confusion that they manifest. So I'm
Speaker 2: not saying everybody experiences this, but once you reach a
Speaker 2: certain threshold of being able to do dreaming, you're going
Speaker 2: to be fronted with all kinds of deception and tricks
Speaker 2: and layers and becoming more discerning about you know, so
Speaker 2: hopefully you can learn to wake yourself up before you're
Speaker 2: about to do something. Like a lot of guys they're
Speaker 2: seduced by sucking best energies in their dreams, women that
Speaker 2: are trying to have sex with them, But it's really
Speaker 2: not It's not what you think it is. It's not
Speaker 2: something you want to be exchanging energy with you So,
Speaker 2: like that stuff sucks, but that's the reality, you know.
Speaker 2: And for women it's not as intense because a lot
Speaker 2: of these energies that are predatory in the dream world
Speaker 2: are female and they're seeking male energy because they're in
Speaker 2: a female world and they're visiting us from a different
Speaker 2: experience entirely. So just a lot to consider about, you know,
Speaker 2: how different, how different men and women are, and the
Speaker 2: different challenges that they face, not only in this dream
Speaker 2: but in the dream time. I'm not saying women don't
Speaker 2: have a hard time here at all, and it's the opposite.
Speaker 2: I think women have an even more difficult time here
Speaker 2: because of how perverted and inverted, you know, and how
Speaker 2: much pressure is put on women in order to be
Speaker 2: a certain way. It's just we're in a really difficult
Speaker 2: situation with a lot of forces that are higher on
Speaker 2: the food chain that ch had to sort of like
Speaker 2: puppeteer this whole place.
Speaker 1: Wow, man, Joe, you have blown our minds thoroughly on
Speaker 1: this episode. For any of the cult members, and for
Speaker 1: the record, that's what we call our listeners, the cult
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Speaker 2: Of you know.
Speaker 4: I was laughing about that earlier. I was like, Man,
Speaker 4: he's going to hear the cult like what, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'd be like it. I love it.
Speaker 1: But for any of our cult members that want to
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Man. I have a YouTube channel called Perceiver. I
Speaker 2: have a website called Joel Shaffer dot com. I'm on
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Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, thank you.
Speaker 5: So much for coming on. It's been such a pleasure
Speaker 5: having you.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. Yeah, no, good to means you good.
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