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Speaker 3: It's time to talk this week's WWE Monday Night Raw.
Speaker 1: All right, Paul Seth, Rawlins and Roman Raines close out
Speaker 1: SummerSlam their SummerSlam hype, which got smacked down on Friday
Speaker 1: with a show closing face to face. I didn't think
Speaker 1: the crowd was read hot Ford. We got some otc chance.
Speaker 2: But.
Speaker 1: Not not too much else. I don't think they had
Speaker 1: a lot left to say. I think Seth avoided stepping
Speaker 1: in anything that was sort of triggering for me, that
Speaker 1: was overly meta. In fact, I think he tried to
Speaker 1: take some meta material that he got criticized for a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks back and reframe it in a way
Speaker 1: that I think fits it. Fits kind of storyline, which
Speaker 1: is your everything the company wanted you to be, rather
Speaker 1: than the company gave you everything you got, And he
Speaker 1: was very he went out of his way to say
Speaker 1: that you have I want. I don't want to take
Speaker 1: anything away from you. You've earned everything. But then he
Speaker 1: says there's one thing I'm better than you had, and
Speaker 1: it's pro wrestling, which then he follows up at going,
Speaker 1: but I'm also smarter than you one, but are strategist,
Speaker 1: So I guess it's two things. So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I kind of just came out of as
Speaker 1: kind of lukewarm. How about you.
Speaker 4: I thought it was a step in the right direction.
Speaker 4: I mean, as far is the face to heal Dynamic,
Speaker 4: who he says to root for, it was a total mess.
Speaker 4: Yet again they both came off looking terrible. Seth declared
Speaker 4: himself the villain, and he sure acted like it, saying
Speaker 4: you want to see Roman's kids cry. But Roman was
Speaker 4: nearly as as as unlikable in his declaration that he
Speaker 4: is the only true superstar, the only true champion, and
Speaker 4: the entire industry needs him to beat Seth Rawlins somehow,
Speaker 4: which I don't think resonated with fans at all, So
Speaker 4: I did, like, just like you said, Seth avoided the meta.
Speaker 4: He came up with a story that in canon works right,
Speaker 4: that you're a big star, you're real chrismatic, but when
Speaker 4: it's one on one, I got your number, and him
Speaker 4: saying I'm better at you in the ring, that that resonates.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think most fans you know, see some
Speaker 4: truth to that while not step over the line into
Speaker 4: meta territory. So I think that that in terms of
Speaker 4: avoiding that, I think Seth was at his best. He
Speaker 4: finally found a groove the on the eve of Summer Slam,
Speaker 4: but still a mess with who we're supposed to root for.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think there's some damage that's been done,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean this if this was three weeks ago,
Speaker 1: when this is our promo, or even if they hadn't
Speaker 1: done what they did over the last few weeks, and
Speaker 1: this was kind of the the final face to face,
Speaker 1: it was fine. Sometimes you stick to basics, you bring
Speaker 1: someone's family and kids into it and then they snap
Speaker 1: and then you know, I thought it was kind of
Speaker 1: clever to have him go and get a chair and
Speaker 1: think should I use this? Should I use this? He
Speaker 1: kind of pondered it a little will last ray like,
Speaker 1: then slides in the ring in perfect position to get
Speaker 1: stomped on the chair. I mean it was, like I said,
Speaker 1: it was fine, but we're seeing the price paid for
Speaker 1: really this segment earlier where you got very popular l
Speaker 1: A Knight, a guy who should be getting pops but
Speaker 1: is getting nothing or his keys because he's part of
Speaker 1: this awful storyline. Solda so CoA sort of playing a
Speaker 1: babyface opposite of the usas who have a bond with
Speaker 1: the audience. And then Jacob I two with the fans
Speaker 1: desperately want to cheer, but they're just sitting on their
Speaker 1: hands now when he does anything, and you have I
Speaker 1: mean to me, you couldn't script a more a storyline
Speaker 1: for a six man take match with six bake stars
Speaker 1: worse than they did this unless your goal was to
Speaker 1: show how bankrupt the muddled personality approach to booking ambiguous
Speaker 1: characters against each other is with if your goal is
Speaker 1: to have the audience just end up ambivalent about everything,
Speaker 1: while they succeeded wildly. So the problem is is that
Speaker 1: USO's are and Jacob are aligned with Roman and they're
Speaker 1: the heels sort of but not really, but I mean
Speaker 1: more than not against Solo and Night and Royce, and
Speaker 1: then we're supposed to cheer Roman because Seth and they
Speaker 1: don't talk about it, but Seth played a strong heel
Speaker 1: role as science made event that's not even entered into
Speaker 1: rock Cannon at this point. M So the whole I know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna go rant like I did last
Speaker 1: about it. If you want to hear me really go off,
Speaker 1: just watch the first half our last week's Raw Post show.
Speaker 1: But I mean, they are paying a price for some
Speaker 1: really philosophically lost booking.
Speaker 3: They are.
Speaker 1: It's I don't even know that they're flailing. I think
Speaker 1: they were. The term I used going into Restumania was
Speaker 1: they were flailing the Pat McAfee nonsense and other things.
Speaker 1: This isn't flailing. This actually feels like a manifestation of
Speaker 1: a philosophy that they think is cool, cutting edge and
Speaker 1: going to connect with the with the social media internet crowd.
Speaker 1: That is so without any kind of foundational evidence that
Speaker 1: it works or even any any kind of logic that
Speaker 1: it's just a it's just blowing up in their face.
Speaker 1: So and it affected Seth Roman.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, if if anyone listening needs that needed any
Speaker 4: proof of that. The proof of that was in the
Speaker 4: audience response. Yeah, I mean they just were confused. They
Speaker 4: were interested, they were on board, but they just didn't
Speaker 4: know how to respond other than you know, eventually singing
Speaker 4: says song and chanting otc. Depending on who was who
Speaker 4: was on top. So yeah, that way, it's been a
Speaker 4: rough one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And and I hope that, honestly, Paul, I hope
Speaker 1: that after this they sit down and have an actual
Speaker 1: honest discussion about this approach that they've been defending internally.
Speaker 1: And you know, obviously they're doing it because they think
Speaker 1: it's a good idea. But I think it's time to
Speaker 1: sit back and go is this really a good idea?
Speaker 1: Is it? Should we be listening to the people who
Speaker 1: say it's it's passe to quote tell fans who to
Speaker 1: cheer for and who to boo, which is not the point.
Speaker 1: Nobody says you should tell people to cheer. That's that's
Speaker 1: that is a straw man argument that is framing my
Speaker 1: case in the case you and many others make when
Speaker 1: you observe this stuff, it's not tell fans who who
Speaker 1: to cheer for. It's present wrestlers who fans want to
Speaker 1: cheer against wrestlers who fans want to boo be, understand
Speaker 1: your audience enough to know who those wrestlers are, and
Speaker 1: then do that. It's that simple. This is pro wrestling.
Speaker 1: That's a formula. Don't complicate it and then continue to
Speaker 1: complicate it with We'll let the fans choose because we're sophisticated.
Speaker 1: It's not nineteen seventy eight anymore. It's like it's human
Speaker 1: nature still, you know. So anyway, Okay, I will check
Speaker 1: myself there. We do have a lot of check comments,
Speaker 1: you know, talking about the things that we're talking about.
Speaker 1: But I before we get to that, I want to
Speaker 1: examine just Seth Roman just a little bit more and
Speaker 1: ask you what you thought of the videos. Have The
Speaker 1: videos recounting their history made this feel because if you
Speaker 1: told me, you know, two months ago, we're gonna do
Speaker 1: Roman against Seth at SummerSlam, and we're gonna put two
Speaker 1: three videos on every show for a few weeks, I'd
Speaker 1: be like, of course, that's great, there's a history here.
Speaker 1: You can't do video packages on Lesnar versus Oba that
Speaker 1: have this kind of history between them. You have it
Speaker 1: presented so I'm good with it. I think it was
Speaker 1: a good thing to do. I think they were largely
Speaker 1: well put together. But in the end, I think it's
Speaker 1: supporting material, but it's not enough to make up for
Speaker 1: the other stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, agreed, they really got off on the wrong foot.
Speaker 4: Had they started with a promo like what we saw tonight,
Speaker 4: they would be in a much better place, a much
Speaker 4: stronger place, even with the confusion about, you know again,
Speaker 4: who we're supposed to admire and who we're supposed to
Speaker 4: get behind. But yeah, the video packages were good. It
Speaker 4: was a good reminder of the history, and I liked
Speaker 4: how it framed it to support Seth's argument, because of course,
Speaker 4: you know, fans don't really I would imagine most fans
Speaker 4: don't think Seth has much of a chance to win, right,
Speaker 4: He just doesn't seem like he's framed that way. So
Speaker 4: the videos told the story that he's been telling that Ultimately,
Speaker 4: Seth has Roman's number, and that's the best story I
Speaker 4: can think of that you can tell. That makes it
Speaker 4: seem like Seth has a shot, And they kind of
Speaker 4: reenacted it in the final scene there, when even after
Speaker 4: Roman laid a beat down, Seth had an ace in
Speaker 4: his hole with the stomp out of nowhere just when
Speaker 4: he needed So I think that's there the idea they're
Speaker 4: selling us on, and I think they were successful in
Speaker 4: that way.
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Speaker 1: specific to the sess situation. Although people are posting about
Speaker 1: Brock and Nova and whatever, that's so Ruka raquel match
Speaker 1: was supposed to be and the Dan Housen concert with
Speaker 1: Joe Henry Yeah and more so. Uh Celevision three says
Speaker 1: I thought Roman and Seth was fine today. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: my thought too. I think that's kind of weird. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a step in the right direction. This should
Speaker 1: have been the story the whole time, Bingo Seth's constant
Speaker 1: rage baiting Roman and being the only rival that's ever
Speaker 1: been able to be in Roman's head. So that's the
Speaker 1: story that they're telling, and that's part of what you know.
Speaker 1: Like it was a problem going into WrestleMania, It's been
Speaker 1: less a problem with Seth Roman because there is such
Speaker 1: a personal history here. But Paul I wish this did
Speaker 1: have more to do, not with Seth trying to avenge
Speaker 1: some sort of unfairness that he feels he has endured
Speaker 1: because management favored Roman, and it was more about like Roman,
Speaker 1: And it goes back to his Roman's initial babyface run
Speaker 1: where he's not emotionally accessible to the fans. He's just cool,
Speaker 1: just a good guy in control, kind of has the
Speaker 1: sub or lemon face if someone says something, he can
Speaker 1: do the nostril twitch when someone gets personal. But he
Speaker 1: doesn't ever. I don't know if he thinks it's lowering
Speaker 1: himself or he just doesn't believe it. It would fit his character.
Speaker 1: I mean, if that's the best framing of it is
Speaker 1: he doesn't say seth, I need to beat you because
Speaker 1: I need to be champion. I need to prove that
Speaker 1: what you're saying, well, I don't agree with the framing
Speaker 1: of it, there's enough truth to it, and enough people
Speaker 1: think there's some truth to what you're saying that I
Speaker 1: need to beat you, Like there isn't that element of
Speaker 1: I need to beat you and I need a title.
Speaker 1: Romans not doing his party, just sort of listening and
Speaker 1: having his catchphrases and so to me, like WWE, at
Speaker 1: the core of what they put on the air, especially
Speaker 1: at the top of the cart obviously, is titles matter.
Speaker 1: That's why we're all here, and that should if you
Speaker 1: frame it as important consistently and you have some level
Speaker 1: of believability to the way you present your product overall.
Speaker 1: And that's why I'm an advocate for that all the time.
Speaker 1: And we didn't get that with the police getting beat up
Speaker 1: at the top of this show. Create a world where
Speaker 1: the things that happen can exist in that world at
Speaker 1: the main event level, then people will buy in. They'll
Speaker 1: buy into the world title matters, and they want to
Speaker 1: be there for history and congratulations, w They've got over
Speaker 1: thirty thousand tickets now distributed for both nights. It's gonna
Speaker 1: look really good. By the way I looked at the
Speaker 1: seating chart, with the entrance stage, the camera angles, and
Speaker 1: how everything's set up, they're gonna be They're gonna make
Speaker 1: it look like a huge show, even if it's the
Speaker 1: building's half full, and they'll sell some more tickets in
Speaker 1: these next five days too. But I wish that, Paul.
Speaker 1: I wish that they were in a position where if
Speaker 1: they just did the basics, they could just have a
Speaker 1: turnkey situation where the title being at stake is enough
Speaker 1: and that everything else is sort of not garnish, but
Speaker 1: it's enhancing it. And then you don't have to hot shot,
Speaker 1: you don't need to do the desperate meta stuff, you
Speaker 1: don't need to do the desperate play to the internet stuff.
Speaker 1: You don't need to say, oh, manage whatever, all this stuff.
Speaker 1: We criticize that for a few weeks back, Paul, what
Speaker 1: do you think about that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree. I think that it was odd that
Speaker 4: the title almost seems extraneous in this story. It seems
Speaker 4: like it's much more about the personal rivalry, and the
Speaker 4: fact that it's for the title just seems an add
Speaker 4: on rather than the other way around that the title
Speaker 4: is really what it's all about. And especially I think
Speaker 4: they they they've really shied away from the fact that
Speaker 4: Seth was the champion who never lost his his title and.
Speaker 1: Throwing in as a comment but without context or underlining.
Speaker 4: Yeah, m and that that should have been a more
Speaker 4: much more of a talking point for him than it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely more comments here in the chat. Vinnie Guakin
Speaker 1: says Roman and Seth finally blow off this forever feud.
Speaker 1: Do you think, Paul, this is a last one on
Speaker 1: one match we'll see between them?
Speaker 4: No, No, that you know they're they're they're they got
Speaker 4: a few years left in them. Uh, yeah, I think
Speaker 4: we'll we'll we'll see them running back at some point.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Mark Bisquetti says that Roman Seth go home angle sucked.
Speaker 1: That's a great example of how to keep the stadium
Speaker 1: half full both nights. Triple H and Company are creatively bankrupt,
Speaker 1: So strong negative opinion there. Then vide also adds, I
Speaker 1: do like how the main issue Roman has with Seth
Speaker 1: is under his skin, and for Seth it bothers him.
Speaker 1: He'll always be number two fiddle to Roman, who is
Speaker 1: the top guy, and that is the part that they
Speaker 1: would defend and say that's what we're leaning into and
Speaker 1: sess like, but to say I'm a better professional wrestler
Speaker 1: than you, it's a little meta and that if you are,
Speaker 1: you'll beat him if you and it sort of I
Speaker 1: mean it works in the sense that every time we've
Speaker 1: we squared off, I have your number and you always
Speaker 1: have the bloodline interfere what I feel like is happening.
Speaker 1: And this is a problem when you have kind of
Speaker 1: two baby faces going at it. Although Roman's heel and
Speaker 1: says the heel in certain ways to him, depending on
Speaker 1: what you watch or what you what counts in your
Speaker 1: head canon, either or both are also heels. But when
Speaker 1: they're going at each other like they're top stars, you
Speaker 1: don't Roman code undercut Seth in certain ways. It would
Speaker 1: make him seem like he's not a star. He always
Speaker 1: comes up short of being a top, top guy, and
Speaker 1: he's bitter about it, but it's just the truth, and
Speaker 1: Seth is Roman. You have this long title Raine that
Speaker 1: you bring about and it's legendary, but it's sort of
Speaker 1: legendary because of the time period it took place in
Speaker 1: and how enthralled people were in the dynamic of you
Speaker 1: and your family. But when we look at the inn
Speaker 1: ring bell to bell, did you ever win without help
Speaker 1: from your cousins? Without help from your family? Like if
Speaker 1: this was a real life, I mean, that's what Seth
Speaker 1: would be saying. He did go there tonight, like, but
Speaker 1: I think it should have been a more of an
Speaker 1: emphasis over time. But he said, oh, you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to resort to the bloodline coming out again. So I
Speaker 1: like that he went there, but it was sort of
Speaker 1: like dipping the toe in the water instead of just
Speaker 1: going right at it. So there was material here to
Speaker 1: work with, and I think they're sort of looking past
Speaker 1: this match and going in on to damage each other
Speaker 1: too much and bring too much stuff up. And that's
Speaker 1: the problem with a top star face against the top
Speaker 1: star face. If that's what they're both going to be
Speaker 1: coming out of this match. However, you look at them
Speaker 1: now and I think they probably will be, And so
Speaker 1: you're like, well, we have this match. We can't do it.
Speaker 1: We can't have either got both guys say everything that
Speaker 1: they've want to say. But then if they did, I'd
Speaker 1: be critical because then while they're undercutting each other so much,
Speaker 1: they're hurting each other's wrong part is a catch twenty two.
Speaker 1: And that's why against doing this kind of match unless
Speaker 1: you know it's gonna sell out a stadium overnight, you know,
Speaker 1: like I mean, like if it's going to really really
Speaker 1: make a difference to drawing, otherwise, just go with your
Speaker 1: face matchups. Yeah, Jasey's Scooby says, I wish that they
Speaker 1: that had money in the bank already, so every win
Speaker 1: between Seth and Roman they cash in and win the
Speaker 1: title at SummerSlam. Oh sure, Yeah, Drell says, I've been
Speaker 1: done with Seth versus Roman. Then he says, Roman and
Speaker 1: Seth will give us a banger Sunday. They never have
Speaker 1: bad matches, so that's a plus. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: that's I think they will good point. Yeah, they'll They'll
Speaker 1: do whatever they can to have a banger for sure.
Speaker 4: And isn't that Seth's career. I mean, he he frustrates
Speaker 4: us so much, you know, on the mic and with
Speaker 4: his presentation, but he gosh, he sure does deliver in
Speaker 4: the ring, and and it makes it all, you know,
Speaker 4: it makes it easy to forget his weaknesses.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Mark Bisquetti says they need to get the title
Speaker 1: away from Roman in this BS diviewed as a new
Speaker 1: Randy Orton and John Cena. I thought it was actually
Speaker 1: kind of interesting that Tibody put it on the screen.
Speaker 1: This is our first singles match since twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: and it felt kind of defensive, like, oh, y'all are
Speaker 1: sick of this match. You say that it's stale, it's
Speaker 1: the Cino Orton. I'm sure they're hearing that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: I think they put that graphic up on the screen.
Speaker 1: They're like, it's not you haven't seen this match in
Speaker 1: like four years, give or take a few months, and
Speaker 1: then they actually I think they brought that up afterwards too,
Speaker 1: So that struck me as defensive. Doesn't matter, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it ignores the triple threat they had at
Speaker 4: Wrestled Media a year and a half ago, which was
Speaker 4: pretty similar, treading a lot of the same ground.
Speaker 1: But I think you're right, yep, Drell says, and we'll
Speaker 1: talk to him in a moment. The Seth promo was
Speaker 1: a mess, bringing up him being smarter, but that's not true.
Speaker 1: That's why you keep getting yourself hurt. I mean, Roman
Speaker 1: could have come back and said that Seth smartest guy
Speaker 1: in the room. Doesn't do moves that that blow out
Speaker 1: his knee every other month. Yeah, let's see. Jac Scooby says,
Speaker 1: want to make Seth Roman match even worse, make egomaniac
Speaker 1: Scena the referee.
Speaker 4: No thanks?
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right then. Mark Busquetti says Roman is a heel.
Speaker 1: I have no ideaf the writers or bookers understand basic
Speaker 1: human psychology. If he's the good guy, he's the good
Speaker 1: guy everyone wants to punch in the face, and Seth
Speaker 1: when he's just grating.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they both, I think are less likable coming out
Speaker 4: of this few no matter what happens. I mean, yep,
Speaker 4: they can be pretty awful. So yeah, I have a
Speaker 4: hard time imagining them both going forward as faces or
Speaker 4: or even either one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the old and it's not a defense,
Speaker 1: but the sort of consolation will be coming out of
Speaker 1: SummerSlam if all, if this whole mess is leading somewhere
Speaker 1: where they had to take this path to get where
Speaker 1: they're going. Yeah, like, okay, I mean at least we're
Speaker 1: landing in a good spot, but I don't know what
Speaker 1: that spot is. I'm just open to the possibility that'll
Speaker 1: mitigate somewhat the mishmash we're seeing here because they sort
Speaker 1: of had something they want to do in September and October,
Speaker 1: but they and they booked backwards from there, and they
Speaker 1: couldn't book backwards in a way that would make sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So, and my hope is knowing nothing, and my hope
Speaker 4: is that is that that that is the bloodline revealing
Speaker 4: their true colors and turning heel. That would that would
Speaker 4: make up for some of this in my mind?
Speaker 3: Ay stuff. Do you ever watch a WWE and think
Speaker 3: it used to be better?
Speaker 5: I don't know, josh Sometimes I think it used to
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Speaker 1: I hope they learn a lesson from this when it
Speaker 1: comes to how to book Roman and Oba. I think
Speaker 1: Romanoba feels like a fresher dream match of two baby
Speaker 1: faces against each other, two big stars, rising star against
Speaker 1: the legacy established star, and I think you can sell
Speaker 1: tickets for that and make it seem special for Usimati.
Speaker 1: I'm not denying that, but I think a clearcut baby
Speaker 1: face Oba against Roman leaning into being a heel gives
Speaker 1: you more to work with and is a break from
Speaker 1: what w has been presenting over and over on these
Speaker 1: big shows, which is either two baby faces against each
Speaker 1: other tearing each other apart, and the fans don't really
Speaker 1: want to choose, or babyface against who's been damaged by
Speaker 1: the storyline, who's against the heel, who's actually popular you know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and heck. I mean a lot of Cody's opponents were heels,
Speaker 1: but the fans liked them, and they didn't do an
Speaker 1: to get fans not to like them, kind of playing
Speaker 1: into the idea that Cody is fragile. Going back five
Speaker 1: years to win, fans started booing them against Malachi Black,
Speaker 1: Alistair Black and a w Vinnie says, they'll tell us
Speaker 1: it's nuanced storytelling, but we want clear faces and heels.
Speaker 1: Mark Pisqutti says, Yeah, this isn't flailing. It's a total
Speaker 1: lack of basic fundamental storyline or storytelling. Excuse me, yep, indeed, yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Think if they're not even if they're aside from the
Speaker 4: face heel thing, like a lot of it's hard to
Speaker 4: say who stands for what right If you have like
Speaker 4: someone who really embodies an idea, you can have like
Speaker 4: you know, two where it's kind of conflicted, but it's
Speaker 4: easier to choose size. But so many of these wrestlers,
Speaker 4: it's hard to know what they're even fighting for, you know,
Speaker 4: what it is they're really standing for. In all this,
Speaker 4: it just seems like flailing.
Speaker 1: Like you said, Seth, what played a traditional old school
Speaker 1: heel and center It's main event in their little celebrity fest,
Speaker 1: which I wasn't against a celebrity fest, but I'm again
Speaker 1: having Seth act so healish in every way, and then
Speaker 1: we're just supposed to compartmentalize that as well. That was
Speaker 1: for the New York audience and it was sort of
Speaker 1: after the show, and it doesn't really counts. We're not
Speaker 1: going to talk about what he did and how we
Speaker 1: acted as a way that defines him in row Cannon
Speaker 1: or SummerSlam Cannon. And I don't like the selective stuff
Speaker 1: where you know, we're just gonna ignore it because that
Speaker 1: was just what we had to do to get a
Speaker 1: pop at MSG. And to me, like, you know, is Seth.
Speaker 1: I think he wanted to go there, and maybe he's
Speaker 1: not capable of going there, or maybe he made a
Speaker 1: strategic's decision not to go there. But I'd like Seth
Speaker 1: to be vulnerable and say, you know, I have your number,
Speaker 1: you know, and and this happened, and that happened, and
Speaker 1: people look in the history books. But the fact is
Speaker 1: is you've had longer title reigns. My title rains have
Speaker 1: been cut short when I've over extented myself, when I've
Speaker 1: gotten hurt. And there's no question you have been given
Speaker 1: and people can read it as what they want, but
Speaker 1: you've been The timing of your title matches when you
Speaker 1: main event shows me that management thinks you're a bigger
Speaker 1: draw on a poster an ontographic online than I am,
Speaker 1: and so when they work out who gets what matches
Speaker 1: when That's why I got to run in with money
Speaker 1: at the bank cash is because you're always the chosen
Speaker 1: one and I need to prove one on one. And
Speaker 1: what I want, what I like that to say is Roman,
Speaker 1: I don't think you're gonna have your bloodline interfere. I
Speaker 1: think I think you would rather lose to me clean
Speaker 1: than win with cheating, win with your family, because that
Speaker 1: is a dark cloud. You won't admit it, and you're great,
Speaker 1: but you won't admit that's a dark cloud over everything
Speaker 1: you've accomplished, is that you won with your family helping you.
Speaker 1: And I don't think you'll do that at Summer Slams.
Speaker 1: So we get to finally find out who the best is. Well,
Speaker 1: we're still in our crimes and we're still both great,
Speaker 1: Like there's a way to build them up, but also
Speaker 1: draw attention to a fact that fans know, but that
Speaker 1: would be kind of kind of talks on the perimeter.
Speaker 1: You know a little bit about it, go all in
Speaker 1: with it, but turn it into a positive, which is Roman,
Speaker 1: you didn't have to cheat to win all those times.
Speaker 1: I don't think you did, but we don't know. We're
Speaker 1: gonna find out Sunday. We're gonna find out this Sunday.
Speaker 1: Who's better? Were you always better than me? Or it
Speaker 1: was always better than you? We're going to clear away everything.
Speaker 1: We're both in different places in our career. And I
Speaker 1: don't have and you can listen to the people he's
Speaker 1: had hanging out with him over the years. You don't
Speaker 1: have your family. It's just two top stars of our era.
Speaker 4: When people look back.
Speaker 1: Fifteen years from now, they're going to say it was
Speaker 1: a Seth Roman era and this match will define who
Speaker 1: the better wrestler was. I mean, I just it rights itself.
Speaker 1: But I don't think they want to go. They don't
Speaker 1: want to lean in on diminishing Roman's long title reign,
Speaker 1: and Seth is so hung up on, you know whatever
Speaker 1: the micro audience of social media, people who speak out
Speaker 1: are going to say about what he says instead of
Speaker 1: just going what would I say if it was nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy eight, I'm trying to sell ten thousand tickets at
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Spectrum, you know, like go back to what
Speaker 1: wrestlers did to actually sell tickets When that promo led
Speaker 1: to people buying tickets the next night to go to
Speaker 1: the arena, get back to those fundamentals, agreed.
Speaker 4: I think if they had incorporated a lot of what
Speaker 4: you said, would be in a much better place now I.
Speaker 1: Have the material to work with. Derek Hoverard, co host
Speaker 1: on the show. PW Torch contributor says, I like the
Speaker 1: final angle tonight. Both guys presented their perspective and made
Speaker 1: the importance of winning front and center. Also, the physical
Speaker 1: angle with the shield callback was on point, and those
Speaker 1: are the strengths of the promo. They did present their
Speaker 1: perspective and made the importance of winning front and center.
Speaker 1: I think they got thirty seven percent of the way,
Speaker 1: you know, like you know, thirty seven or forty two
Speaker 1: percent to where they could have gone, Derek, And that's
Speaker 1: where my critique. I'm not trashing tonight's promo. I'm saying
Speaker 1: it's a shame that they left so much on the
Speaker 1: table that I think would have people looking at this
Speaker 1: not resenting it or ambivalent about it, or kind of
Speaker 1: plugging their nose going all the match would be good,
Speaker 1: but I don't really care who wins or I don't
Speaker 1: care about the I think there was material here to
Speaker 1: work with that they for whatever reason, did not do.
Speaker 4: And I just want to add that again, you know
Speaker 4: the lag that I think they were both you know,
Speaker 4: as far as like the the face, heels and am
Speaker 4: they were both pretty. They've both been pretty ugly, and
Speaker 4: so I think even more so than the WrestleMania build
Speaker 4: with with Punk and Rome and I so so I
Speaker 4: think that hurts it as well. I mean, I much
Speaker 4: prefer you know, Hunk versus Cody, where they both for
Speaker 4: the most part, are seemed like they're conducting themselves admirably.
Speaker 4: So I kind of part of me would be happy
Speaker 4: to either see either one win. I'm not sure I
Speaker 4: want to see either Seth or Yeah.
Speaker 1: And if sasy asshole, I mean, Roman's the prick. I
Speaker 1: mean he's the guy just kind of a loof dick
Speaker 1: to people. He's gotten since I harped on it, by
Speaker 1: the way, he's spent nicer to the guy who adds
Speaker 1: them the belt right at the building.
Speaker 4: Have you noticed that tonight he actually acknowledged him. He
Speaker 4: nodded as yes, and.
Speaker 1: He did that like I'd say three out of the
Speaker 1: last four times, and since like six weeks ago. I said,
Speaker 1: like if a waiter comes to your table and you
Speaker 1: have an intense conversation to restaurant and they top your
Speaker 1: water off. All you gotta do is just go thanks,
Speaker 1: you know, just a little no, you don't. You have
Speaker 1: to skip a beat in your conversation. And Roman's doing
Speaker 1: that now and it makes them like less of a
Speaker 1: dick than any event. So I'm happy to see that.
Speaker 1: Vinnie says W went out of their way to make
Speaker 1: sure Roman versus Seth was the night two main event
Speaker 1: with their video packages, and he adds, the petty side
Speaker 1: of me thinks there's no way Triple H would ever
Speaker 1: put two former aw guys in Punkin Cody over WW
Speaker 1: lifers in Roman and Seth. You know what, I get
Speaker 1: why Vinnie says it. But Paul, I think you do
Speaker 1: anything to make himself look good by selling more tickets. Agreed,
Speaker 1: Although I don't know what I don't know that the
Speaker 1: night the headline matters for ticket sales right now that
Speaker 1: I mean, it's crazy how similar the ticket sales are
Speaker 1: for both nights.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Raw is the bigger show. I mean, more
Speaker 4: people watch Raw and so it just it is the
Speaker 4: number one championship.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, Adam Kids says I've said it before, is
Speaker 1: creatively bankrupt at the moment, or like a slugger that's
Speaker 1: in a slump. I mean that's a broad comment, not
Speaker 1: just on seth Roman. I don't disagree. I think I
Speaker 1: think this is they rode a wave. You know, they
Speaker 1: got high in their own supply a little bit. They're
Speaker 1: running the same stars back, They're running a formula that
Speaker 1: they don't that sort of worked in ways in the
Speaker 1: past where I don't think they extracted the reasons it
Speaker 1: worked and are able to reproduce them. And so we're
Speaker 1: seeing a sloppy re execution that is evidence that they
Speaker 1: didn't understand why what worked before worked and so yeah,
Speaker 1: but at least the undercard's pretty good. Yeah, yep. Another
Speaker 1: comment from standardiation here on a seth Roman doesn't need
Speaker 1: to emphasize the title in my opinion, interesting as Cody
Speaker 1: Punk already has their title front center, you can't emphasize
Speaker 1: both titles at once. He adds one a grudge match
Speaker 1: with a title downplayed. The other is a title match
Speaker 1: with a personal issues downplayed. You know, I will say,
Speaker 1: I mean I don't, First of I don't prescribe to that.
Speaker 1: I think you have two world titles. You have two nights,
Speaker 1: two different nights, in a stadium in front of thirty
Speaker 1: plus thousand people. I think you can push both titles.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna have two titles, you gotta push both
Speaker 1: of them. Is a big deal on one of your
Speaker 1: biggest shows of the year. That said, my suggestion for
Speaker 1: how Seth Roman could have met more Paul has been
Speaker 1: everything I said could have been done if it was
Speaker 1: a non title match.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: I need to prove on better than you. We've gotten
Speaker 1: rid of all the riff raff. I don't have riff
Speaker 1: raff in my corner anymore. You don't have the riff
Speaker 1: raff in your corner. I think you're gonna be I
Speaker 1: think you're gonna again at that line. I think you'd
Speaker 1: rather lose to me clean than because of interference. And
Speaker 1: let people kind of know, Okay, one of two things
Speaker 1: are gonna happen. Somebody's gonna win clean and it's gonna
Speaker 1: be historically significant for this rivalry, or somebody's gonna interfere
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be a heel turn in essence, because
Speaker 1: Seth would basically dare Roman not do it. So if
Speaker 1: Seth did it, he'll turn yeah, total hypocrite if Roman
Speaker 1: does it. Seth already called Hm out ahead of time.
Speaker 1: So I agree.
Speaker 4: The last thing we want to see is just another
Speaker 4: distraction finish and the way that you frame it. And
Speaker 4: they kind of hinted at that with you know, Roman
Speaker 4: saying I need to beat you and so uh a
Speaker 4: sort of in response to Seth saying, how oh you
Speaker 4: you you got yourself disqualified before, So they kind of
Speaker 4: you know, implied that they were going to wrestle a
Speaker 4: clean match, and like you said, if someone goes back
Speaker 4: on that, well there we have some you know, finally
Speaker 4: we have a big story beat. So I like that
Speaker 4: because it promises something exciting. However it turns out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, mister freshman, big picture just goes. I'm not satisfied
Speaker 1: with either world title matches. I'm sick of Punk and
Speaker 1: Cody and Seth and Roman being in main events. It's
Speaker 1: time to move on. And that might be, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, this might kind of be the end of
Speaker 1: an era of that generation of guys now you know,
Speaker 1: basically on their forties. Let me think Cody, Punk Roman said, yeah,
Speaker 1: there it's Seth for Yeah, SES's forty so but that
Speaker 1: generation of of of that that that kind of class.
Speaker 1: I think this is the end of them against each other.
Speaker 1: Mm hm, you know, and now it is the next
Speaker 1: it they might be facing and helping put over and
Speaker 1: give a rub to the next generation, like Roman versus Oba.
Speaker 1: But and and you know, bron Breaker, you know whoever.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's gonna be people on the undercard who
Speaker 1: are going to get a boost. And you know, this
Speaker 1: might be kind of the end of an era in
Speaker 1: that in that sense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, or when they face each other in the future,
Speaker 4: it'll be a total it won't be they won't be
Speaker 4: on top. You know, they'll be rehashing an old rivalry
Speaker 4: kind of like a yeah, Undertaker versus Triple Age.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: Crofton Steers says, Roman and Seth always say they have
Speaker 1: to beat each other to quote save the industry. Seth
Speaker 1: and Building are so many of forty Roman set It tonight.
Speaker 1: I think they drastically overstate their importance.
Speaker 4: Paul, Oh my gosh, Yeah, a Roman saying the industry
Speaker 4: needs me to beat you, Like, what is he thinking? Like,
Speaker 4: I don't. I think that just just shows how self
Speaker 4: important he is. And again, you know that that's his
Speaker 4: that's what makes him unlikable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep. Derek Cover says, to summarize the Seth roman angle.
Speaker 1: Week one, Seth cut a killer promo. Week two, Seth
Speaker 1: killed a momentum. Week three, they course corrected somewhat. Week four,
Speaker 1: total confusion, five strong, go home. I think that's I
Speaker 1: think that's a fair settlement, Well said, Yeah, yep, He
Speaker 1: adds Derek had erase weeks two and four, this would
Speaker 1: have been a strong build, would have been strong. But
Speaker 1: I still think if if you don't add anything and
Speaker 1: you just do that, I still think, Hmmm, they're you know,
Speaker 1: they're thirty seven or forty two percent of the way
Speaker 1: where they could have gone with some of some of
Speaker 1: the stuff. Yeah, I can you know some weigle rooumin.
Speaker 1: My percentage is there first.
Speaker 4: Although I think it was the bad stuff that hurt
Speaker 4: this build more than the lack of good stuff, But
Speaker 4: more good stuff would have helped.
Speaker 1: Yep. Absolutely, All right, let's shift topics, or at least
Speaker 1: shift our conversation to Rude Dog, who is going to
Speaker 1: be our first caller of the show. Rude Dog, Welcome, Hello, Hello,
Speaker 1: what it's on your mind about Rot tonight?
Speaker 6: Well, good talk to eight and Paul.
Speaker 7: So I'm going to be shorter than usual because I
Speaker 7: decided to play basketball instead of watching most of Ross,
Speaker 7: So I kind of only saw the last segment. It
Speaker 7: was a really nice day. I have a beautiful park
Speaker 7: next to me, so true.
Speaker 1: Anyways, Yep, it's on demand on Netflix. That's the good part.
Speaker 1: You don't have to watch the line rules away. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but so the.
Speaker 7: Last segment is the main thing to talk about that
Speaker 7: I actually saw. I mean, I was at WrestleMania thirty
Speaker 7: one in uh where was wherever the forty nine ers
Speaker 7: play San Santa Clara, I believe it, and and I
Speaker 7: saw you know, Sep cash in and it was it
Speaker 7: was awesome, like it was I was jumping for joy literally,
Speaker 7: But we're still doing this right now, Like what the
Speaker 7: hell is.
Speaker 1: They haven't they haven't wrestled since twenty twenty two? One
Speaker 1: on one? Do you allow us know that? It's just
Speaker 1: like I know, in a way, I feel like Seth's
Speaker 1: been talking about this for so long, like even when
Speaker 1: it was not in the plants and find a way
Speaker 1: to slip it into a promo that it's sort of like, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's just get it done, and I know they they
Speaker 1: might have thought Minneapolis is going to be so like
Speaker 1: grateful that Debitie brought a big show to the to
Speaker 1: the city. Finally, you know, it's been a resuming or
Speaker 1: summerslime here since Jesse Ventura was governor and they the
Speaker 1: referee bit. So there's been off brand pay per views here,
Speaker 1: but it's a major market, state of the art facilities.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's been ron SmackDown and be pay
Speaker 1: per views. So and then the fans looked at the
Speaker 1: lineup and obviously they're you know, they got they got
Speaker 1: a bit of a surge in the last couple of
Speaker 1: weeks of ticket sales. They moved about you know, seven
Speaker 1: thousand tickets. I don't know when tickets distributed is on
Speaker 1: a map. That can also mean they gave three thousand
Speaker 1: tickets away to local charities and and and scouts like
Speaker 1: you know that I don't It doesn't mean they sold them.
Speaker 1: It just means they're off the map. That's all wrestle ticks,
Speaker 1: tallies's and then they're doing twenty five dollars tickets. So
Speaker 1: even if it is by tickets, a lot of them
Speaker 1: are you know, likely low priced. So but there was
Speaker 1: going to be a surch in the last couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: especially as people go, okay, I want to have a
Speaker 1: good seat, and the prices are lower because there's so
Speaker 1: many available, so they're kind of waiting till the last
Speaker 1: second to buy seats. The question is what kind of
Speaker 1: surge now do they have in the last five days,
Speaker 1: what kind of walk up do they have? But I
Speaker 1: think putting Seth and Roman on the card, they felt like,
Speaker 1: not let's get Seth off our back, but like, we
Speaker 1: kind of should do another match and we don't really
Speaker 1: want to do it in twenty twenty seven or twenty
Speaker 1: twenty eight. Let's just let's get this shield. Let's catch
Speaker 1: in the shielding. Because they didn't have a better option,
Speaker 1: it gave them something to do instead of rushing what
Speaker 1: they felt would be rushing Oba Roman. I still think
Speaker 1: what would have sold more tickets as a baby face
Speaker 1: Jacoba two against the heal Roman reigns. But it's easy
Speaker 1: to fantasy book without regards to what their plans are
Speaker 1: for Roman going forward in the story arc that they
Speaker 1: want to tell going into war games. But in Isolation,
Speaker 1: I thought Jacob I two had momentum. I think you
Speaker 1: could have soft turned Roman where he was kind of
Speaker 1: a dick, kind of a heel, but they could have
Speaker 1: come together afterwards or not. You know, but I think
Speaker 1: Jake a freight train going after Roman would have you
Speaker 1: know where it was, you know, when Rick Steinder got
Speaker 1: hot in WW circa eighty nine, ninety ninety one, whatever
Speaker 1: that year was, and they could have gone with them,
Speaker 1: you know, but they also there was a belief well
Speaker 1: it's just sort of a fleeting thing and we don't
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I feel like they they just tiptoed.
Speaker 7: They're like, we know no one cares about this match,
Speaker 7: and we're gonna try to make it seem a little
Speaker 7: like interesting. But yeah, I kind of felt like the defeat.
Speaker 6: During this segment. I don't know if you did or not.
Speaker 1: What do you mean by that?
Speaker 7: Like I felt like they knew no one cared about
Speaker 7: this match and they were defeated, and they were they
Speaker 7: were just kind of going through the motions and let's
Speaker 7: not make it too long and kind of make it
Speaker 7: seem like we care, but whatever, let's get out of here.
Speaker 1: I did sense, and I mean body language is subjective
Speaker 1: reading into it for the most part. But when Roman
Speaker 1: came out, there's some more TC chance. But when the
Speaker 1: music stopped. It wasn't like oh DZ like it was,
Speaker 1: oh TC, there's some people doing it, and then it
Speaker 1: kind of just petered out. Seth came out. You know,
Speaker 1: you get the fools gold chance, you know, to see
Speaker 1: Roman Roman reigns. It's just communal chance fans like to do.
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean the wrestler's over. They're into them. That's why
Speaker 1: I call it, you know, fools gold. It looks like
Speaker 1: a wrestler's over. It doesn't mean they're not over, but
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean they're as over as the chant is.
Speaker 1: It just means this is a chance that's over. He's
Speaker 1: a big star, he's been a main events. We paid
Speaker 1: see him. Now we're going to do the communal thing
Speaker 1: because it makes us feel good and it's fun. To me,
Speaker 1: a sign of being invested in a storyline is reacting
Speaker 1: to things that are being said, as long as those
Speaker 1: things that are being said help you sell tickets and
Speaker 1: aren't just oh my god, I can't believe you said it,
Speaker 1: even though it's destroyed one or both of the wrestlers
Speaker 1: in the process. So I was watching this body language wise,
Speaker 1: Rudog apparently like you did, and Roman just kind of
Speaker 1: like Roman's kind of looking around, and it crossed my
Speaker 1: mind watching it is Roman thinking hmm, I don't know,
Speaker 1: seems like my hot runs over. I got I got
Speaker 1: forty to fifty million in the bank, whatever it is.
Speaker 1: I could be off by a lot, but I have
Speaker 1: forty five million in the bank. I got my health,
Speaker 1: I've had a super part time schedule. I'm a legend.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be a Hall of Famer. I got
Speaker 1: more big paydays ahead of me. But this isn't working.
Speaker 1: Oh well, I'll just go home to my kids and
Speaker 1: you know, live my life in sas out there. And
Speaker 1: I think he's looking at the reaction, going yeah, I
Speaker 1: kind of took a beating two weeks ago on the internet,
Speaker 1: after in social media and all that, after my promo,
Speaker 1: and this isn't really working and it's not what I
Speaker 1: hoped it would be. So yeah, Rube, dog, what you said.
Speaker 1: We're just going to kind of push through this, try
Speaker 1: to pretend we care, but we kind of know it's
Speaker 1: not red Hot. We're kind of humiliated by ticket sales,
Speaker 1: especially if Seth thought this would be a bigger deal
Speaker 1: then it's turned out to be. With the fan base,
Speaker 1: and there was there was a body language wise, Paul
Speaker 1: I thought, there's a little sense of resignation, acknowledgment, acceptance
Speaker 1: that we kind of are where we are and it's
Speaker 1: not great, it's not awful. Just let's just check some
Speaker 1: boxes and go have a match.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that the the comparison to Randy Orton
Speaker 4: and John Cena is apt. We've just seen this so
Speaker 4: many times before. They really had an uphill battle, and
Speaker 4: they made some big mistakes in the build, so they
Speaker 4: weren't weren't in a great spot. I hope they weren't
Speaker 4: both having a midlife crisis there in the ring tonight,
Speaker 4: but but they certainly couldn't have been pleased with the
Speaker 4: response they got.
Speaker 1: Yeah, rud Doug, is my assessment of what you said
Speaker 1: kind of in line with what you meant, what you're
Speaker 1: getting at.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, pretty much like I mean, and they're in
Speaker 7: Los Angeles. They weren't in the middle of nowhere like
Speaker 7: I mean. LA is usually a pretty hot crowd, and
Speaker 7: for how dead that crowd was for that segment, I
Speaker 7: was like, oh man, this is this is rough.
Speaker 1: It wasn't an overly long show, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: it wasn't like they you know, killed the crowd with
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I don't there are a
Speaker 1: lot of video packages. Maybe they did kill the crowd
Speaker 1: because the crowds sitting there watching the video screen most
Speaker 1: of the night too. Yeah. By the way, mister Freshman says,
Speaker 1: I thought Punk and Cody displayed the same type of
Speaker 1: body language on Friday. I think I think there might
Speaker 1: be something to do. I think I've sensed it more here,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. I just it kind of feels like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, just like the Golden State Warriors, you know,
Speaker 1: just kind of playing out, playing out their their legendary
Speaker 1: status last couple of years, hoping maybe we kind of
Speaker 1: win a series or two and get lucky. And then
Speaker 1: you know, Jimmy Butler gets hurt, you know whatever, Steph's
Speaker 1: out or not one hundred percent, and that's kind of
Speaker 1: it feels like, Okay, we're legends, but we're not at
Speaker 1: our peak and whatever. And then you just want to
Speaker 1: switch teams and so it's like give us new opponents,
Speaker 1: you know, and I but you had to do you
Speaker 1: you didn't have to, but you kind of had to
Speaker 1: do Cody Punk one on one. You kind of had
Speaker 1: to do Seth Roman one on one one more time.
Speaker 1: I get it. I just don't think the build for
Speaker 1: especially Roman Seth has been consistently good enough, and even
Speaker 1: what was good, it wasn't good enough. Were doun So.
Speaker 7: I just randomly saw today like Seth Rollens is a
Speaker 7: really charismatic guy. You wouldn't be able to tell on TV.
Speaker 7: But like like he was on the Rich Eisen Show
Speaker 7: like cot like he was a replacement host and he
Speaker 7: this was on last Friday, and he interviewed interviewed Becky
Speaker 7: Lynch and it was it was great, Like it was
Speaker 7: just fun and it like nothing was awkward. It was
Speaker 7: just like this guy has it in him and I
Speaker 7: just don't know why it doesn't translate like on the
Speaker 7: big stage in the room.
Speaker 1: Well, he's talking to the love of his life and
Speaker 1: the mother of his children. You know, I mean there's
Speaker 1: you would hope there's chemistry there. There's that It's not guaranteed,
Speaker 1: but you'd hope. Yeah.
Speaker 7: So I had a question, is so obviously, uh, SummerSlam
Speaker 7: is in Minneapolis, are you or any people of the
Speaker 7: The Torch going to be like covering it.
Speaker 1: Live if that is top secret.
Speaker 4: At this point, m stay tuned.
Speaker 1: Yea, there there's some there's some there's some logistics on
Speaker 1: both sides of things that could affecting, some of which
Speaker 1: I don't want to get into. We'll see. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: could be some other fun stuff, though.
Speaker 4: I would brook no delays in my roundtable discussion afterwards. Way,
Speaker 4: so that's right to get that into account.
Speaker 1: I will say this nothing. What's not me from going
Speaker 1: f FLT. This was a historically significant Night one or
Speaker 1: Night two, but you know, we'll see. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not yeah, determined, cool, we're talking anything else?
Speaker 7: Right, Well, I told you I was gonna be quick
Speaker 7: because I didn't watch much.
Speaker 6: So that's about it. One last thing.
Speaker 7: I'm wearing my Necro Butcher T shirt and you guys like, uh,
Speaker 7: totally justifiably destroyed. How terrible Dark Side of the Rings
Speaker 7: t a like three program Jeff Garrett thing was.
Speaker 6: It was absolutely.
Speaker 7: Horrible, but they they kicked back, they kicked out, and
Speaker 7: their next episode, simojo Versus Necro Butcher is awesome. So
Speaker 7: you know, everyone has some bad times, but don't don't
Speaker 7: count out death Side of the Ring.
Speaker 1: I will say this, there ought to be a Dark
Speaker 1: Side of the Ring next season. Covering their own documentary
Speaker 1: on TNA. That's how scheduled they should do. They should
Speaker 1: do a they should do a dark side of the
Speaker 1: Ring on the dark side of a documentary team that's
Speaker 1: done a good job with a good series, and they
Speaker 1: got bamboozled and conned into missing the actual story of
Speaker 1: TNA history in a three parter by listening to the
Speaker 1: wrong people work them and then snicker behind their back
Speaker 1: about how they worked them.
Speaker 6: M I agree. But oh, one last thing.
Speaker 7: I will be going to Dynamite on Wednesday at the
Speaker 7: Masonic Temple Theater, which is one hundred year old theater
Speaker 7: in Detroit downtown, and I think a bunch of people
Speaker 7: that work for the Torch or friends of the Torch
Speaker 7: are going to be there. But I'm excited, so I
Speaker 7: will put in some two cents somewhere.
Speaker 1: We're gonna call so we can. We'll hear from you
Speaker 1: in two days probably, yes, okay, okay, good? I like that.
Speaker 1: I thank for duc, appreciate it all right, Darrell, are
Speaker 1: you ready for us? Should we get your calling down
Speaker 1: or do you want I don't see his camera come on,
Speaker 1: and he doesn't way about us? You ready for us?
Speaker 1: Sums up? Yep, he's getting set. So let's uh, we
Speaker 1: still got more to talk about. I want to talk
Speaker 1: about Opra Brock. I want to talk about Zimruka and
Speaker 1: whatever that was, and some thoughts on her. We got
Speaker 1: the Dan Housen Joe Henry concert, but maybe the world's
Speaker 1: going to cover some of that with us. So let's
Speaker 1: bring our regular color Dwell into the conversation. Drell, welcome,
Speaker 1: good to see you. Go to hear from you. What's
Speaker 1: on your mind about rot tonight? We can't hear you, Darrell,
Speaker 1: but we see you very up close.
Speaker 3: Oh, I had a mute on.
Speaker 2: I had mute on.
Speaker 1: Can you ad just the camera a little bit so
Speaker 1: we're not looking at the but we're seeing her. Yere
Speaker 1: perfect sweet?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: So yeah, I talked to us.
Speaker 8: Yes, sir, yes, sir, y'all already started with the main event.
Speaker 8: I ain't gonna go too much now, so I would
Speaker 8: like to start with the wrestling main event, which was
Speaker 8: Soul Ruker.
Speaker 1: You call it a wrestling match, I don't know if
Speaker 1: it qualifies.
Speaker 2: It's a I don't know.
Speaker 8: You know, when Saul Ruker first came on, I kind
Speaker 8: of said like she was more of a she got
Speaker 8: over on a big move which was so snatching than
Speaker 8: her character, and tonight even more was just the definition
Speaker 8: of showing like, don't be trying to be a person
Speaker 8: who wanted to do all the hot spots and moves.
Speaker 8: Put some type of thout in process in it. If
Speaker 8: you got over on the character, you can make it
Speaker 8: fit your character, those hot spots and stuff like that.
Speaker 8: And I think since she been on the main roster,
Speaker 8: she really been in her head. And I was watching
Speaker 8: Unreal and you heard somebody on there say, man, we
Speaker 8: got to start bringing these people on here, and we
Speaker 8: know they're not gonna be ready and just let them swim.
Speaker 8: And she was a person who probably wasn't ready, probably
Speaker 8: because in NXT they never let her decide on what
Speaker 8: she was. She was the definition of what they do
Speaker 8: in these bookings. She was just in between. Sometimes they'll
Speaker 8: have an act like a heel, or sometime they have
Speaker 8: an act like a face. So she never settled and
Speaker 8: she just got off on hitting the soul snatcher, where
Speaker 8: she hit pretty regularly down there, because I guess they practiced.
Speaker 2: Their moves all the time.
Speaker 8: Man, Man, I don't know if they can just get
Speaker 8: tied on first, so she can get out of her head.
Speaker 8: But tonight was the definition of that. Now I can't
Speaker 8: even say if it was ra Quell it had. It
Speaker 8: looked like it was all her. What do you guys think?
Speaker 1: That was a terrible match, One of the worst TV
Speaker 1: matches I've seen in a long time. Soul doesn't belong
Speaker 1: on national TV right now wrestling if whatever the reason is,
Speaker 1: if she's in her head or not, she is the
Speaker 1: kind of the equivalent of a basketball player who's just
Speaker 1: slamm dunk, played dunks, but can't play defense, can't dribble,
Speaker 1: can't shoot mid range, can't shoot three point, doesn't run
Speaker 1: back on defense hard Like I'm not I don't mean
Speaker 1: to say it's like an everorthing, but like her style
Speaker 1: is just looking to slam dunk and everything in between
Speaker 1: is bad, and then sadly she's bought. Sometimes she's hitting
Speaker 1: the rim and the ball's bouncing into the crowd on
Speaker 1: her slam dunk attempts, and it's just she's been hot,
Speaker 1: she's been taught wrong, or she's not unnatural at anything
Speaker 1: other than athletic spots. But she is a kind of
Speaker 1: farcical video game wrestler right now. With fancy spots that
Speaker 1: she doesn't even do all that well despite being a
Speaker 1: great athlete, and she just I mean, she needs three
Speaker 1: more years of reps in front of crowds off camera
Speaker 1: to be suitable to be on TV. I mean, is
Speaker 1: that overstating it? I don't know, it might not be.
Speaker 1: I mean, historically that's that's what would be happening. It's
Speaker 1: unfair to put her on live TV without a net
Speaker 1: right now. I mean, it's it's again, it's not her.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's I'm not saying it's her fault. I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not exonerating her either. Maybe it is maybe she
Speaker 1: has a bad attitude or or doesn't practice, or doesn't
Speaker 1: listen or whatever, but maybe not. Maybe it's just unfair
Speaker 1: to take somebody as green as she is and put
Speaker 1: her on TV because she's flashy with some of her offense. Paul,
Speaker 1: what what stood out to you?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I agree with you both. I mean, she certainly
Speaker 4: did not look good her. She slipped off the d
Speaker 4: she keeps botching, but she was not like this in NXT.
Speaker 4: So I think Durell is right. Something is just not
Speaker 4: clicking on the main roster. I mean, she looked so
Speaker 4: much better in NXT. But yeah, it's a it's a shame,
Speaker 4: but but it's it's not working. I'm really glad that
Speaker 4: they made the change and moved the title to Raquel,
Speaker 4: who is no longer the Ultimate Bridesmaids In terms of
Speaker 4: singles titles. Yeah, so ninth time is a charm I
Speaker 4: think for for singles titles challenges.
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Speaker 1: Torch VIP. A few comments in the chat, Meka Curren says,
Speaker 1: how about that Soul Ruka match? Huh Yeah, how about it?
Speaker 1: Jac Scooby says, Soil Rookie needs to wrestle instead of
Speaker 1: just doing spots and doing a spot fest. Yeah. Yes.
Speaker 1: Someone named Durell says I figured they would take the
Speaker 1: title off Soul so because she's in her head too much.
Speaker 1: Sadler Version three says, yeah, Soul has too much Sammy
Speaker 1: Varner style right now. She needs to clean up the offense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean she is getting worse. So it could be
Speaker 1: she's in her head. It could be I mean really,
Speaker 1: I mean, it would just be wild speculation. Could be
Speaker 1: a lot of different things going on. There could be
Speaker 1: stuff going on in personal life. She could be having
Speaker 1: an injury, there could be who knows you. I would
Speaker 1: just be you know, silly to just speculate too specifically.
Speaker 1: Vinnie says she's leader without the execution. Vinnie says she
Speaker 1: should go back to n X t uh and a
Speaker 1: good thing. They took the title off her face says
Speaker 1: about time or Kel one singles goal that I really
Speaker 1: hope she can start winning clean, and some of them says, yeah,
Speaker 1: they snatched that title off her pretty quick there. Mister
Speaker 1: freshman says, so it's been rough lately. So I was
Speaker 1: on board with the losing to the title, But did
Speaker 1: Raquel need all that help? What do you think about that?
Speaker 1: Let's set aside poor soul in all the botch. I'm
Speaker 1: sure she feels terrible about it, and you know, but
Speaker 1: you know you're a national TV or in money, we're
Speaker 1: gonna point it out. You know, you're there to serve
Speaker 1: the fans and we're not here to protect your You
Speaker 1: know your feelings. If you're on national TV, you're getting
Speaker 1: paid at your profession should be good and people are
Speaker 1: gonna call you out if it's botched. But it's not personal.
Speaker 1: I mean, we hope the best for her and let her.
Speaker 1: Let her what if if something's in her head, go
Speaker 1: get some practice, clear her head, give her opponents that
Speaker 1: maybe style wise or better for her, have the match
Speaker 1: producers book like, give her the time to tell the story.
Speaker 1: In the ring without having to just squeeze in five
Speaker 1: spots that they say is the only way she's going
Speaker 1: to get over whatever. There could be a lot of
Speaker 1: things going on with her, But setting that aside, what
Speaker 1: about Raquel shouldn't she like? I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's the way they book. I mean, it's just someone's
Speaker 1: grabbing the book, the move, the move of the year,
Speaker 1: the interference technique of the years, grabbing someone's bot while
Speaker 1: they're runing the ropes. That's the overdone thing now, distracting
Speaker 1: the referee in one side when someone does that on
Speaker 1: the other, I mean, that's what w does. I think
Speaker 1: they do it sort of thoughtlessly, reflexively, without any introspection
Speaker 1: of whether it's tropy and losing its effectiveness and farcical.
Speaker 4: Paul, Yeah, I agree. They teach us that the moves
Speaker 4: and what happens in the ring doesn't matter because until
Speaker 4: there's an interference or or something like that, you know,
Speaker 4: we don't expect that we're going to see an and uh.
Speaker 4: And it really would have. It would have helped Recall
Speaker 4: a lot to get a clean win. I think they
Speaker 4: wanted to, you know, they wanted to advance the EO
Speaker 4: Sky angle as well, so they wanted to kill two
Speaker 4: birds with one stone. And of course, you know she
Speaker 4: she is a heel, and this is what the judgment
Speaker 4: day does. But a clean wind would have really been
Speaker 4: a statement.
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh drow what else first?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 8: And plus they gave so so much when she first
Speaker 8: came on the roster, so that's another reason as well.
Speaker 2: Why they did that. And it seemed like they don't
Speaker 2: with heels. They don't know.
Speaker 8: They only think heels can only be shown as a
Speaker 8: heel by somebody coming out they're helping him, like when
Speaker 8: he said grabbing an ankle or pulling you down or
Speaker 8: something like that. I guess they haven't seen years of
Speaker 8: heel work and how to get heels over and find
Speaker 8: ways for them to win. But hopefully they can rebound
Speaker 8: and do something with that.
Speaker 1: And so, by the way, just have so worked dark
Speaker 1: matches before everyone on SmackDown for the next three months,
Speaker 1: just have worked in front of crowds, give her a
Speaker 1: variety of opponents or a few veterans who can help
Speaker 1: her along and just take the pressure off of being
Speaker 1: on live TV and kind of you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I would challenge her to not use any of the
Speaker 1: moves she used in this match. Just go everything you did.
Speaker 1: Thought that you're not on TV. It's not you know,
Speaker 1: someone's going to put the case. It's Al's going to
Speaker 1: put the match on social media. Who cares? You'll overcome that.
Speaker 1: Go out there and just have a match, Like do
Speaker 1: a vertical suplex, run the ropes, do a sunset flip,
Speaker 1: you know whatever. Just just it's about getting a rhythm.
Speaker 1: It's about gaining your confidence, about getting her footing, and
Speaker 1: do some more basic things that aren't needlessly overly complex
Speaker 1: that she is uniquely capable of doing when she's got
Speaker 1: when she's got a rhythm. But instead have her do
Speaker 1: you know, thirty matches in front of big arena crowds
Speaker 1: and dark matches for the next fifteen weeks, along with
Speaker 1: some house shows where it's just the fundamentals, and take
Speaker 1: a way that the oh my god, am I gonna
Speaker 1: screw this up. I'm I gonna hurt someone, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: hurt myself. Just give give her the whatever. I mean.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's betteran wrestlers and producers who have better
Speaker 1: ideas than I have. But that's that's my my suggestion
Speaker 1: from afar watching this industry for a long time that
Speaker 1: you speak at Dark Matches were four in part was
Speaker 1: give some reps to somebody who needs them, but in
Speaker 1: front of a natural crowd, not a not a studio audience.
Speaker 1: At NXT. You know, anyway, go ahead, Drug.
Speaker 2: You can send her to these places you got partnership with.
Speaker 8: She would have been a perfect example like t and
Speaker 8: A Center, the Triple A sent over the So.
Speaker 1: The thing with yes some of those are. The thing
Speaker 1: with TNA is they just tape you know, three TV
Speaker 1: shows rapid fire on one night and it's all for TV,
Speaker 1: and so you're kind of putting her in a similar spot,
Speaker 1: which is pressures on cameras rolling, and we're trying to
Speaker 1: fit a bunch of TV show tapings into one night.
Speaker 1: It's not like a casual house show. I've been to
Speaker 1: casual NXT house shows and that's where you know, when
Speaker 1: the gamuses last. Wity Matches. I saw when he was
Speaker 1: surprise guests at an NXT show and that was fun.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: And so if they did more small shows, yeah, do that,
Speaker 1: like you said, NWA or some indie shows. But find
Speaker 1: whether it's natty or you know whatever, find a woman
Speaker 1: wrestler who's like up for it and just pay indie
Speaker 1: shows to put them on in front of audiences, like, well,
Speaker 1: you can use them for free. We just wanted to
Speaker 1: get reps in front of an audience with it with
Speaker 1: a veteran. If you believe in her, you know, And
Speaker 1: I mean you can apply this to a lot of wrestlers,
Speaker 1: but she's the one who had up botch Fest tonight's
Speaker 1: we're talking about her.
Speaker 6: What else?
Speaker 8: And another box fans to me was the Dan House
Speaker 8: and Joe Henry. I don't know why they had them
Speaker 8: have a concert and all that. See, when you have
Speaker 8: somebody who like Dan House and who you gonna struct
Speaker 8: go with, you're making gookoos and money with him, and
Speaker 8: you just come up and have him do something all
Speaker 8: the time. And now you're changing the match to uh,
Speaker 8: money's on the pole match.
Speaker 2: That's almost human money, Yeah, human moneys on the pole match.
Speaker 8: That's both bad, well mom on the pole on the
Speaker 8: pole type of stuff. And what makes me don't like
Speaker 8: it is because you're putting dumb in that match, and
Speaker 8: domb still to this day he can get heat even
Speaker 8: with how poorly they don't book him. And you putting
Speaker 8: him in a match like that where it looks like
Speaker 8: he probably gonna lose some some I know, and some
Speaker 8: people love to say when you're a good here, you.
Speaker 2: Can come back from anything.
Speaker 8: But it's certain stuff that you you probably come back with,
Speaker 8: but it's gonna take a little bit longer. And I
Speaker 8: don't want to see that.
Speaker 2: And I like Dan Housen.
Speaker 8: Don't give me too much of him, give me some
Speaker 8: a little bit a shot here and there. That's all
Speaker 8: just a shot here and there, and that's it. Don't
Speaker 8: give me a probe a full glass alcohol.
Speaker 1: And it's so side show like it's it he's not.
Speaker 1: It's like this weird kind of it's a side show,
Speaker 1: but it's too much of a side show. So like
Speaker 1: he'd be the guy that in like like they he'd
Speaker 1: be like the odd couple partner with Braun Stroman or
Speaker 1: something where they go after tag titles. But it'd be
Speaker 1: like the big guy and the little guy, and people
Speaker 1: would look forward to Dan Housing taking in once Braun
Speaker 1: beat up the opponents. You could do it fun tank
Speaker 1: few domin j D against Braun and Dan Housen, but
Speaker 1: it's all side show, like it's just like Joe Henry's
Speaker 1: a side show in kind of stale and doesn't you know,
Speaker 1: he's got over in other environments, but he hasn't really
Speaker 1: organically introduced himself to the ww audience in a way
Speaker 1: that doesn't feel kind of like the way TNA treats
Speaker 1: some people from the outside, where it's like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: who is It's like do we you know, do they
Speaker 1: do the fans? And so they you know, they took
Speaker 1: a guy who's good in small doses and witty and
Speaker 1: then just threw him into I don't know, situations where
Speaker 1: he is feeling over and some of the materialis feel
Speaker 1: like they're desperate to wedge it into the show, and
Speaker 1: I either make him a wrestler who's doing something that
Speaker 1: doesn't feel entirely sideshow or smaller doses not taking up
Speaker 1: a whole segment in the ring. I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, his his his comedy and he is he is
Speaker 4: genuinely funny.
Speaker 1: But I'm a fan of yeah, yeah, but it's.
Speaker 4: Just under it's so you know, cartoony that it just
Speaker 4: undermines the whole show. And I think anyone who's touched
Speaker 4: by it, you know, suffers. And and this was this
Speaker 4: might have been the night that that that Dan Housen
Speaker 4: jumped the shark, because this was the he and Joe
Speaker 4: Henry brought out the worst in each other. I think
Speaker 4: they had nothing that their song. There was no real
Speaker 4: funny lines. They just repeated the same thing. I mean,
Speaker 4: thank goodness for Ryan Garcia putting the segment out of
Speaker 4: its misery by by introducing some element and ending that
Speaker 4: that song that was a mess.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 1: Speaking of jumping the shark, Maface says the Fonds would
Speaker 1: be proud of that Dan Housen Henry jumping the shark moment.
Speaker 1: Then Goodfellow points out dom As one and six this
Speaker 1: yere On Raw seven eleven says, I'd be fine at
Speaker 1: dan Housen never has matches for some reason, seeing him
Speaker 1: Wressel takes away from his character. In my opinion, Nicky
Speaker 1: let's say yeah. Nikki be says dan Housen should be
Speaker 1: just a backstage interviewer and sadly goes, I agree, this
Speaker 1: is dan Hausen's worst night other than his debut. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's just I think that you know,
Speaker 1: they got something that they think is kind of hot
Speaker 1: like that. You know, people are into it. It's selling merchandise.
Speaker 1: And I I mean, I'm not saying they're only doing
Speaker 1: this because of merchanise, because I think they do think
Speaker 1: they have something with Dan Housen and they're trying to
Speaker 1: figure out how to keep it going and and and
Speaker 1: you know, incorporate comedy into the show and whatever. But
Speaker 1: it does feel like it plays to my philosoph be
Speaker 1: on merchandise, which is merchandise should never you don't want
Speaker 1: the tailwig in the dog like. Merchandise should be the
Speaker 1: result of just fundamentally casting your characters, telling good stories,
Speaker 1: casting the characters in the right role. If fans like someone,
Speaker 1: push them as a face, fans don't like someone, push
Speaker 1: them as a heel, amplify what they like or don't like.
Speaker 1: Everything should be about a TV show creating a sports
Speaker 1: like presentation doesn't take itself too seriously, but also doesn't
Speaker 1: just insult the audience by going, hey, here's a segment
Speaker 1: that is so nonsense. We just want to you to
Speaker 1: compartmentalize it. So everything should be about how do we
Speaker 1: sell tickets and get people to buy into what we're doing,
Speaker 1: and then merchandise will sell itself. That's just be a
Speaker 1: side effect. But I feel like sometimes WW goes, well,
Speaker 1: we're making so much money on merch. Easy for me
Speaker 1: to say, sitting here, you know, with no affiliation to
Speaker 1: that would be and they're not depositing merch money into
Speaker 1: my bank accounts, so it's easy for me to say.
Speaker 1: But philosophically, I think when you start booking someone because
Speaker 1: you're making money off their merch, you're losing. You're losing.
Speaker 1: You're straying away from the most important thing, which is
Speaker 1: selling matches and getting people invested in an outcomeing and
Speaker 1: way more often than not, rooting for someone to win
Speaker 1: and someone to lose. And then merch will sell people
Speaker 1: go to they've got their they got their money, they
Speaker 1: got their they have their budget. They're gonna spy merch
Speaker 1: of whoever's over in main eventing, you know, just make
Speaker 1: it cool. So don't push someone because of merch. Uh
Speaker 1: Sadler goes, this was Dan Hauson's worst night other than
Speaker 1: his debut. Oh I already said that, what's the was
Speaker 1: I gonna throw up? Oh h Jac'scooby said, Joe Henry
Speaker 1: and Danjulsen wasn't as bad as I thought it might be.
Speaker 1: I do want to say, and I wrote this in
Speaker 1: my report at PW Torch. While everyone's checking that out
Speaker 1: during raw or afterwards, I thought I would not have
Speaker 1: put this on the air. I disagree with it for
Speaker 1: reasons I've said. But once they decided to do it,
Speaker 1: they went all in and did it well like this
Speaker 1: was this was you know, let's get the dancers out there,
Speaker 1: let's let's just they were not shy, like you know what,
Speaker 1: what's the saying about if you're if you're giving a speech,
Speaker 1: like don't mix inaudibility with incoherence, Like if you're gonna
Speaker 1: give a bad speech, at least don't be hard to hear.
Speaker 1: I know there's a more catchy phrase on that, like
Speaker 1: don't don't make people mad that you're not only giving
Speaker 1: a bad speech, but you're not articulating and you're rolling
Speaker 1: and mumbling, like just be proud whatever you decide to do,
Speaker 1: do it and go all in.
Speaker 2: They went all in.
Speaker 1: You know, they had the clippers dancers at ringside and
Speaker 1: the mini housens and a sort of catchy chorus that
Speaker 1: was it. It's just the chorus. But I mean they
Speaker 1: did go all in on it, Paul. So if they're
Speaker 1: gonna do it. It was better. It was a better
Speaker 1: execution than Soul Ruka and Riquel.
Speaker 4: All Right, I'll give you that, but I know I
Speaker 4: could cover on that. Corey Graves, it was a little
Speaker 4: bit of truth teller when he said there aren't enough
Speaker 4: dispensaries in California to make me enjoy that.
Speaker 8: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm not saying I enjoyed it. I'm saying
Speaker 1: that what they set out to do, they set they
Speaker 1: they executed what they set.
Speaker 4: Out to do, and much like his debut, it was
Speaker 4: all they went all in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, there's similarities for sure. Before pushing play on
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Speaker 8: Now, this why I say you strike when the iron's hot.
Speaker 8: I think last two weeks they kind of hurt over
Speaker 8: with him beating up the.
Speaker 2: Cops and all that. Tonight, beat up the cops, you
Speaker 2: go and you do the stuff, and then Rock don't.
Speaker 8: Even get in the rain. He has all ham and
Speaker 8: announced his weight. He locked you in the caves and
Speaker 8: stuff like that. I don't like when you make a
Speaker 8: babyface look slow. And I feel like the night they
Speaker 8: made him look slow, you follow you followed the steps
Speaker 8: that they told you. We none contact all this, We
Speaker 8: can't even touch each other, so why are we even
Speaker 8: doing this? And then you play me, make me look
Speaker 8: slow and everything, And I just feel like the last
Speaker 8: few weeks they hurt him. I understand it's gonna be
Speaker 8: a big match, He's probably the second biggest match on
Speaker 8: the whole weekend and stuff.
Speaker 7: Like that, But.
Speaker 8: Does the damage last longer than just once people see
Speaker 8: the match say over it and stuff like that, because
Speaker 8: I don't see where he goes next. They haven't set
Speaker 8: up anything, they haven't told no story about nothing. They
Speaker 8: barely telling the story about this match. How did y'all
Speaker 8: sunk about this week?
Speaker 1: And I think we're seeing drell is the gimmick is
Speaker 1: the sales pitch instead of the sales pitch logically leading
Speaker 1: to the gimmick. So like the story of this match
Speaker 1: should be we need a hell in a Cell for
Speaker 1: certain reasons, because Obin Brock need to sell on the ring.
Speaker 1: We need to not have interference. We we want to
Speaker 1: incorporate not just what happens in the ring, but whatever.
Speaker 1: There should be something about Brock and Oba that calls
Speaker 1: for Helen a Cell. But instead what they've what they've
Speaker 1: done is it's all about the Helena Cell. We had
Speaker 1: did Did we have Helena Cell talking to us tonight?
Speaker 4: Third character?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: That we had then. Yet it took me a while
Speaker 1: to figure out what's going on there. I'm like, wait this,
Speaker 1: the Helen of Cell is now personified into a narrator
Speaker 1: of a video about itself. It was talking about itself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this should be about Oba and Brock in the Helen
Speaker 1: of Cell should just by the time you get down
Speaker 1: convincing people at pulling people into a needing to see
Speaker 1: what happens in a third rubber match. Though to speaking
Speaker 1: against Oben Brock, when you when you lay out the
Speaker 1: reasons this match should take place, then you go, oh shit,
Speaker 1: it's in a hell and a cell too.
Speaker 4: Whoa.
Speaker 1: But instead, like we have a Helen of Cell. You'll
Speaker 1: never guess who we're putting in it. But let's tell
Speaker 1: you more about Helena Sell. And it's cool because you
Speaker 1: know who's in it, Open Brock. It's the second story.
Speaker 1: Helen Sel should be the second story, not Oba versus Brock.
Speaker 1: I want to see open Brock. And this gets into
Speaker 1: w B and you know, Triple H and his brain
Speaker 1: trust they're scared for whatever reason or philosophically opposed if
Speaker 1: they're not scared to presenting the w B product in
Speaker 1: a more sports like way and lean into the sports
Speaker 1: aspect of it. That's what I said about Seth and Rollman.
Speaker 1: It should be we had our we had our riff
Speaker 1: raff hangers on and helping us win matches in the past.
Speaker 1: I'm guilty, You're guilty. This is going to be We're
Speaker 1: gonna find out who the better wrestlers. They're scared to
Speaker 1: do that because I think they think people at homemwer
Speaker 1: it's not real. Why they're pretending it's real, not understanding
Speaker 1: the most. The peak fan experience is when you get
Speaker 1: people to buy in because everybody presenting the product wants
Speaker 1: you to wants you to be drawn into it as
Speaker 1: if it's real, just like a great movie, and they're
Speaker 1: they're scared.
Speaker 4: To do it.
Speaker 1: That's what Brock Oba is in their elements of it
Speaker 1: have been there, that was there for the first match.
Speaker 1: Talk about my god, it's the immovable object against the
Speaker 1: irresistible force. Whatever it's these two. If Brock has never
Speaker 1: looked opposite of the ring and seen somebody who's more
Speaker 1: of a force. But now Brock knows what he's getting
Speaker 1: in Oba. He's trained for him, he's been in the
Speaker 1: ring for him, He's felt his power. What has he
Speaker 1: done to train for Oba? They're so scared to talk
Speaker 1: about this like a USC fighter or a boxer would,
Speaker 1: even though they're in the boxing and USC business, talk
Speaker 1: about it like one. There's stakes here. What will happen
Speaker 1: if Brock loses? Tell us about it? Is he gonna
Speaker 1: Is he gonna walk away again and not come back?
Speaker 1: If he if he loses, is he gonna lose faith?
Speaker 1: Is he gonna snap? Is he gonna dump Paul Hayman?
Speaker 1: Is he gonna go away and come back with the
Speaker 1: whole new edit? Like imagine, like I want the announcers
Speaker 1: to pull go if Brock loses. I can't even imagine
Speaker 1: what's next for him, if anything, But if Oba loses,
Speaker 1: does that mean he isn't as big a deeal as
Speaker 1: we thought? Does it mean that maybe he's not ready
Speaker 1: even though he looked like it. Maybe it's like a pitcher.
Speaker 1: The first thing, you know, Patrick gets called it from
Speaker 1: the miners in baseball, and they strike a bunch of
Speaker 1: people out. Second time the or see him, it doesn't
Speaker 1: happen as much. They figure out the picture. You know,
Speaker 1: So has has Oba been figured out? Did Brock solve Oba?
Speaker 1: Talk about that? And then go and by the way,
Speaker 1: it's in a hell in a cell, and everyone's like,
Speaker 1: I'm so into the match, and now you've really sold
Speaker 1: me because it's in a cell. But instead it's all
Speaker 1: about the cell. The people in it are kind of secondary.
Speaker 1: And then obviously with the nonsense with the cops and
Speaker 1: Brock locking the door and then Ova being so mad
Speaker 1: that decided to beat up a whole police force, and
Speaker 1: then Michael coocos he can't blame him. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: imagine me swearing right now. I am in my head.
Speaker 1: It's so stupid. Why is the announcer going, you can't
Speaker 1: blame Oba. You're throwing a hissy fit over the fact
Speaker 1: that away In did happen, and that brock what put
Speaker 1: a padlock on a door and snickered at him.
Speaker 4: I think you could blame him for assaulting how many
Speaker 4: police officers?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: And so we're supposed to believe Paulavek and his brain trust,
Speaker 1: the writers were sprichered all them. I call it. Whatever. Oh,
Speaker 1: people won't take seriously the cops stuff. That's just fun.
Speaker 1: That's just it's just it's just a fun visual. But
Speaker 1: come on, people, know that's not a big deal. Don't
Speaker 1: get don't get hung up on that. Don't get fixated
Speaker 1: on the fact that if if cops got beat up,
Speaker 1: that that that that's a part of a story. You're
Speaker 1: not supposed to take seriously and expect it that it
Speaker 1: could happen in the real world. You got to comppartmentalize
Speaker 1: that and not take this so seriously. Oh, but we
Speaker 1: really want you to care about Oba and Brock and
Speaker 1: the violence you're gonna see. Well, you're trying to convince
Speaker 1: me the violence is real and the stakes are high.
Speaker 1: But a whole police force gets beat up by a
Speaker 1: babyface unprovoked. But don't don't get hung up on that
Speaker 1: not fitting into the narrative structure in a logical way.
Speaker 1: That's just the part that you're supposed to lighten up
Speaker 1: and just enjoy it, because, oh my god, it's cops
Speaker 1: getting beat up by Oba, and oh my god, we
Speaker 1: have to have Oba beat somebody up, and it can't
Speaker 1: be a bunch of it's so stupid.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think they thought that the crowd was
Speaker 4: really going to get excited, and they did attack these
Speaker 4: these police officers who were just they're doing their job.
Speaker 4: They didn't lock him in that cage, and the crowd
Speaker 4: did not. The crowd just kind of went mild.
Speaker 1: Sons over beating up. Security did nothing, crowd didn't react
Speaker 1: to it. They need to stop the security attack segments.
Speaker 4: Yes, I wish it was security. That would have been
Speaker 4: a little more believable.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, By the way, my problem wasn't they
Speaker 1: need to stop beating up security they start being up cops.
Speaker 1: That was not my point. They should stop beating up
Speaker 1: people who are hired to be there in wrestlers beat
Speaker 1: them up several limits, says Op. Attacking the security guards
Speaker 1: again was like Sammy smashing another water bottle. It was comedic.
Speaker 4: Two weeks ago, he said, I only did it because
Speaker 4: I knew they weren't real police officers. Ye, what's his
Speaker 4: excuse this week?
Speaker 1: Exactly because they didn't like if all the cops had
Speaker 1: attacked eight on one Oba when Rock locked the door,
Speaker 1: and then Hayman's out there going ha ha, you know
Speaker 1: you thought you knew last time, Well, you stepped in
Speaker 1: a cell and we locked you in it with eight
Speaker 1: trained professional USC boxers and and and professional wrestlers, boxers,
Speaker 1: MMA fighters, whatever, whatever the story they want to tell.
Speaker 1: And now you're getting beat up eight on one and
Speaker 1: we tricked you be locked to get a cage. You're
Speaker 1: a sucker and you're stupid in polemics saying it ringside helpless.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I would love that if you pitched it,
Speaker 1: but it's it solves like ninety nine percent of what
Speaker 1: was utterly stupid about that segment because at least then
Speaker 1: it's Hayman outsmarting Oba, and then Oba has a reason
Speaker 1: to then fight back and toss them all around. You'm on,
Speaker 1: you know. But they don't think people are.
Speaker 4: Gonna have to feel terrible about seeing him attack police officers, right, And.
Speaker 1: I mean there's some people. Yeah, it's just like there's
Speaker 1: there's some people are like, oh, now Oba can't wrestle
Speaker 1: at Summer Slam because he's going to be in jail,
Speaker 1: facing multiple felony charges in decades in prison, Which is
Speaker 1: what would happen if you got If you go and
Speaker 1: find a place where there's eight cops and you do
Speaker 1: what Oba did, You're not going to be wrestling weekend
Speaker 1: for a big cash prize.
Speaker 4: You're going to be.
Speaker 1: Out on bail and facing maybe out on bail. Actually
Speaker 1: won't you won't even get bail if you did that.
Speaker 1: But oh what they want us to be entertained and
Speaker 1: it's rolled and find it engaging, but they don't want
Speaker 1: us to take it seriously enough to expect the constant
Speaker 1: the obvious consequences if we're to take it seriously, to
Speaker 1: take it. Yeah, seven eleven new nickname for Roba Oba felony.
Speaker 4: I do want to say I did like the brock
Speaker 4: locking in the cage. He he seemed like a cowardly
Speaker 4: jerk who was just you know, trying to look for
Speaker 4: a way to get under Oba's skin. We were, you know,
Speaker 4: the fan. And when they they faced off at the
Speaker 4: end and they're they're flipping each other the bird like,
Speaker 4: it seemed like they were really like poed at each other,
Speaker 4: like there was some real animosity.
Speaker 1: To both you what if it was the other way around,
Speaker 1: What if Leslard and Hayman went in there about to
Speaker 1: do the way did the Wayne or they're waiting for
Speaker 1: ob come out, you know, and Oba comes out. He
Speaker 1: looks and he goes lock the cage door and he
Speaker 1: puts a padlock around it. And Cole's like grace, like
Speaker 1: what's he doing? And and and then Hayman's like what
Speaker 1: are you doing? And Oba just laughs. He goes, I'll
Speaker 1: see a Sunday or see a Saturday. I'm sorry, Saturday.
Speaker 1: Have fun with your way in. I'm not playing any
Speaker 1: more games. I'm not playing any more Hype. I just
Speaker 1: want to get my hands on you. And he could
Speaker 1: take the mic, he could go, I am not allowed
Speaker 1: to put my hands on you. That is, I would
Speaker 1: be suspended, I'd be fired, I'd be fined, and the
Speaker 1: match when happens Saturday. I got what I need. I
Speaker 1: don't need a home. I don't need to know how
Speaker 1: much of Weybroc, I don't know why you wanted this
Speaker 1: wayn in the first place. What's what's going on? Like
Speaker 1: they point out how stupid a way in is Brock.
Speaker 1: I don't know why you want his way in the
Speaker 1: first place. But I'm done talking. I'm done standing and
Speaker 1: having a stare down. I'm not playing to the promoters.
Speaker 1: They can photoshop our faces nose to nose. I'm getting
Speaker 1: ready for Saturday. You're going to try to figure out
Speaker 1: how to get out of this cage?
Speaker 2: Bye?
Speaker 1: I mean whatever? Have ova have the joke beyond Brock
Speaker 1: and Hayman. Instead, the joke was on over and he
Speaker 1: has a fit, beats up cops. It's stupid. I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't. I can't imagine the pitch meeting for this mhm,
Speaker 1: Like who's I mean, what's what's the pitch meeting?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: This would be great. We'll have Brock lock ob in
Speaker 1: a cage and then he'll snicker at him and then
Speaker 1: Oba will throw a hissy fit over what like just
Speaker 1: get clip the chain and leave, Like why does he
Speaker 1: have to beat up? Okay, he's gonna be up cops.
Speaker 2: So stupid, you know, his biggest baby's face and you
Speaker 2: got him look.
Speaker 1: Ye uh but Droll some of them says, I just
Speaker 1: had to o Oba kick the door down and then
Speaker 1: have and then have Lee oh ship And then he
Speaker 1: scurries away. Yeah, And Hayman's like Hayman trips trying to
Speaker 1: run away from Oba, and he's in Lesard's like ten
Speaker 1: steps ahead of him, and he turns back and Haman's
Speaker 1: wall wrists out of water on the ground trying to
Speaker 1: figure out how to get back on his feet, and
Speaker 1: the fans are laughing, and then Oba just stops and goes,
Speaker 1: You're not worth it, Paul Rock, I'll see a Saturday.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're just like whatever. I mean, there's just
Speaker 1: like I'm not saying that's the only way to do it,
Speaker 1: but like there's all these things that just make more
Speaker 1: sense for their characters. Then I just I don't think
Speaker 1: they know what they're doing anymore. I don't think they
Speaker 1: know what they're doing anymore. I don't think they know
Speaker 1: what they're doing anymore.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I think they've lost they've lost any any coherence. I
Speaker 1: can't defend it.
Speaker 4: The people of Inglewood, California would agree tonight, I think.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, we heard a Babyface go home promo in
Speaker 8: a while, because it would have been perfect, like you said,
Speaker 8: if you would have came out there and he would
Speaker 8: have locked them in and he would have cut a
Speaker 8: promos telling him the time is up and what I'm
Speaker 8: goin to do, get.
Speaker 1: One and then let o. But no, don't say you're
Speaker 1: gonna kill me there. Please, yeah, take that off the table.
Speaker 1: Jeremy Or says, I'm sorry, Wade, please make this make sense.
Speaker 1: Thanks love the channel, Thank you. Jaycon Scooby says, no
Speaker 1: reason for Obar Brock tonight. It was not needed. Although
Speaker 1: the last thing the show need is another video package
Speaker 1: recapping everything that's happened already.
Speaker 4: Yeah, any of those, it's tough. Yeah, although several of
Speaker 4: them were quite good.
Speaker 1: I want to Yeah. Yeah, I'm just saying we kept
Speaker 1: its plenty job were they did not phone this show in.
Speaker 1: But if you're in the building, you got a lot
Speaker 1: of looking up at the big screen. Now that's a
Speaker 1: building I you're gonna watch on the big screen that
Speaker 1: Clippers Arena. That's where you want to be because those
Speaker 1: screens are yeah as good as its yeah yeah, and
Speaker 1: Netflix logo is huge.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 8: All right, I would have preferred I would have preferred
Speaker 8: Over and Brock Ben had promos videos because like you said,
Speaker 8: they could have showed video over train and getting ready
Speaker 8: for Brock.
Speaker 2: Ye see, they.
Speaker 8: Just hurt them a lot with what was going on
Speaker 8: in two nights of seeing Baby last night. I signed
Speaker 8: up for that six hours and I seen the baby
Speaker 8: face show everything that he chose not to do.
Speaker 2: He gets made a fool of.
Speaker 8: And you should have took the shot because then you
Speaker 8: got the person to take the shot on you and
Speaker 8: hit choose. So everything that John said to him would
Speaker 8: ringed out truth, but you had him looking.
Speaker 2: Bad and tonight the over mean the same thing, and
Speaker 2: my last thing would be this tonight. What hurt l A.
Speaker 8: Knight then was because like I said, everything that is
Speaker 8: attached with Roman itself them just been hurt and been
Speaker 8: dragged down. You don't know how to make these people
Speaker 8: feel if they are they faces?
Speaker 2: Are they heels?
Speaker 8: Jay come out there, he should have been heelers. When
Speaker 8: the crowd asked him to run it back, he should
Speaker 8: have acted like he could have run it back and
Speaker 8: told him no and then started cutting his promo. That
Speaker 8: would have set up the scene for when Solo came
Speaker 8: out there, when La Knight came out there. Because what
Speaker 8: cute the crowd is. They wanted to see the running back.
Speaker 8: They want to get into that. And when you had
Speaker 8: the baby who was supposed to be the babyfaces come
Speaker 8: out there, they took it out on them and then
Speaker 8: really want to hear nothing. It's because you got the
Speaker 8: bloodlines playing. Some minutes they play faces, some minutes they
Speaker 8: play heels and all of this, and then all of
Speaker 8: them have been leveled down.
Speaker 2: I think Jay he ain't on the level that he
Speaker 2: was and one was where you could plug him in
Speaker 2: as a main eventor to get you through a few months.
Speaker 8: Jacob, when he was hot, it seemed like he could
Speaker 8: have been somebody you could have took tight off of Roman.
Speaker 2: He's not at that level no more. He just they
Speaker 2: got him.
Speaker 8: Stereotype and somebody come out there and go tongue and
Speaker 8: grip gonna shake and that's it. And you know, you
Speaker 8: got the three baby faces trying to make up for it.
Speaker 2: You got l. A.
Speaker 8: Knight cutting promos. That makes sense, and he's trying to
Speaker 8: win it back and trying to get him back.
Speaker 6: He's doing it.
Speaker 2: He's doing so much work just to get it.
Speaker 8: Back to a level playing field, even because again I
Speaker 8: like so I like the character that they introduce it
Speaker 8: with him. They're funny stuff and stuff like that, but
Speaker 8: he don't do it in such a a joking way
Speaker 8: that you put him on the level with the damn housing.
Speaker 2: But he knew it in a way that feeds him
Speaker 2: and that worked.
Speaker 8: But he was working from ah such like like your
Speaker 8: twenty points behind and stuff like that, and you're trying
Speaker 8: to come back and you get right there, you're like
Speaker 8: four points, but you're tied out and.
Speaker 2: You know, missed PHO shots in the row, and uh,
Speaker 2: you can't just bring it all the way back. And
Speaker 2: then the L. A.
Speaker 1: Knight's like the like the highlight of logic and he's
Speaker 1: like just speaking the truth. He's the most clear cut
Speaker 1: baby face. Rayce Kyds has done nothing wrong, but he's
Speaker 1: running to the ring to zero crowd reaction. It's just
Speaker 1: sad Jacob I two hot a thing not that long
Speaker 1: ago right there with Ova, and now he's doing his
Speaker 1: bit and the fans want to cheer him, and then
Speaker 1: there's something inside going. I don't think we're supposed to,
Speaker 1: so we won't. The USO's want to see it running back.
Speaker 1: We want the communal experience, and they're doing it, and
Speaker 1: then they're not doing it. It's just like I that's
Speaker 1: why I say they they've lost their way. They don't
Speaker 1: know what they're doing anymore. It it feels like everybody
Speaker 1: who knew how this business work got replaced by a
Speaker 1: bunch of people who are like armchair quarterbacks who have
Speaker 1: listened to really bad podcast analysis of wrestling for the
Speaker 1: last ten years and are doing everything wrong. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know what to say. They're infatuated with Let
Speaker 1: the fans decide like that's some some point of pride
Speaker 1: and the crowd response tonight should be the defense. I
Speaker 1: mean it should have been obviously before this, But like,
Speaker 1: you can't do what they're doing with that six man tag.
Speaker 1: It's it's a dragon Roman, It's a dragon Seth. It's
Speaker 1: a drag on all the baby faces. All six baby
Speaker 1: faces basically in this for all the reasons you said, Well,
Speaker 1: I I just don't know what to say. Saddler says
Speaker 1: Solo is funny. Yeah, I gotta say.
Speaker 4: I thought Solo was on fire tonight. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 4: but but to Drell's point, he started out so far behind.
Speaker 4: When he came, the crowd booed because last time we
Speaker 4: saw him he was a heel. When did he turn
Speaker 4: face like it was? It was pretty confusing, But he
Speaker 4: actually like managed to like get a lot of the
Speaker 4: crowd on his side.
Speaker 1: So the thing is is, Paul, he was getting the
Speaker 1: crowd on his side, but you could see the fans
Speaker 1: I was looking at him, They're going, I kind of
Speaker 1: like this guy, but I like, I'm supposed to cheer him,
Speaker 1: or I kind of like this guy, but I also
Speaker 1: kind of like the usos. I kind of want to cheer,
Speaker 1: but let me process what I'm supposed to do. Like
Speaker 1: there's no just natural reaction that just flows because there's
Speaker 1: this headwind of I like Solo, He's funny. Oh wait,
Speaker 1: but he said aimed it at Jay and I like Jay.
Speaker 1: It is constant like a I don't know anymore.
Speaker 4: I just don't agree.
Speaker 1: No seven eleven says it feels very disconnected right now.
Speaker 4: People want to see Jacob kick them, but but they
Speaker 4: don't want to see him kick La Knights. But I
Speaker 4: mean what exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good fella cheer the usso's entrance, but Booth their inwork.
Speaker 1: Solo's turn should be organic and it feels so forced. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I agree Solos hilarious. Yeah, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: it's yeah, there's yeah, there's places for Solo's character, but
Speaker 1: I don't know, and you know, dous is going you
Speaker 1: should you know, I don't know, Like there's there's this
Speaker 1: storyline here and it's like, yeah, I'm sure there's like
Speaker 1: aspects of it where if you're kind of hung up
Speaker 1: on like oh people are so they're so enthralled if
Speaker 1: you're if you're if you're super enthralled with the blood
Speaker 1: line and what's who's going to be in it and
Speaker 1: who's not, then they're hitting some storyline beats. But that's
Speaker 1: that's not what people care about. I mean, it's not
Speaker 1: it's not that they don't care, but they don't they
Speaker 1: care more about They just want to see All Night,
Speaker 1: want a match, They want to cheer them usos against
Speaker 1: two heels. They want to cheer them. I don't see
Speaker 1: Jacob hat two kick ass against a heel who has
Speaker 1: a coming and instead they're just anyway and and the usas.
Speaker 4: I thought it was interesting that they were still seemingly
Speaker 4: attempting to recruit Solo. Yes, he was hinting that, oh,
Speaker 4: and you're not the real bloodline without me, and you're
Speaker 4: saying run this player else do they realize that they're
Speaker 4: like wrestling each other in a couple of nights. I mean,
Speaker 4: Solo has chosen and one.
Speaker 1: Of the stakes, what like, can we talk about the
Speaker 1: match and the outcome? It's just like this is soap
Speaker 1: opera of personalities and and but it's not like like
Speaker 1: like what is what is the six man take team
Speaker 1: match for? That's why if you go back to every critique,
Speaker 1: every sort of suggestion for the illustrated purposes that I
Speaker 1: made about how they could do it differently, It's all
Speaker 1: about making the outcome of the match what people think.
Speaker 1: My god, I need to be there to see what happens.
Speaker 1: It's game seven of of you know, a NHL series
Speaker 1: or NBA series. It's it's a playoff game between a
Speaker 1: sixteen to one team and a fifteen and two team,
Speaker 1: and it's like, who's who's going to be eliminated after
Speaker 1: having that good of a season, you know, like I
Speaker 1: need to tune in to see the thrill of victory,
Speaker 1: the agony of defeat. I want to see the celebration,
Speaker 1: but I also want to see the sidelines when that start.
Speaker 1: There's two star quarterbacks and one of them is not
Speaker 1: going to make it past the wild card game or
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl. Like, they're not talking about the outcome.
Speaker 1: They just want you to have a communal experience. Boom
Speaker 1: and cheer ring entrance or cheer ring entrance, and then
Speaker 1: boom and they get to the ring apparently, and then
Speaker 1: and then pop for high spots and say get the
Speaker 1: tables and this is awesome. They've lost sight of what
Speaker 1: this is about, which is selling people on the idea
Speaker 1: that in the world that we're pulling you into, you
Speaker 1: should care about the outcome. So what matters about this
Speaker 1: six man tag? Anybody talking?
Speaker 4: No matter who wins or loses, all six men are
Speaker 4: going to be in the exact same position next.
Speaker 8: Yes, yes, it ain't gonna raise nobody, ain't gon raise
Speaker 8: nobody down. They didn't even talk about it if they
Speaker 8: don't care about it in the main event. That's why
Speaker 8: I asked question, did you know that was a title match?
Speaker 8: It was a grudge match that you've got somebody to
Speaker 8: come out. I can raisee Betty, you and I own you,
Speaker 8: but we thankful.
Speaker 2: For the title. So this match don't mean anything. I know.
Speaker 8: The Knight tried to bring it and said, well, we're
Speaker 8: gonna try to put that bloodline down and put it
Speaker 8: a sleep. He tried to make it mean something, but
Speaker 8: we only had one person out of six trying to
Speaker 8: make a story out of it.
Speaker 1: By the way, Eli's I'm complimenting La so much so
Speaker 1: I want to take a fun, playful dig on him.
Speaker 1: You know, there's always like the slip on the ropes
Speaker 1: of the one botch move per match. He's keeping a
Speaker 1: streak alive on promos too, Like he just like he
Speaker 1: slipped up on one of his words and he kind
Speaker 1: of had to. Like it's sort of the obligator. I've
Speaker 1: done the bit for decades, the obligatory mid match shinlock
Speaker 1: for Randy Orton, Like it's just he has to go
Speaker 1: on the mat and apply a headlock mid match for
Speaker 1: whatever reason. It's like he lost a bet in two
Speaker 1: thousand and four and he's just he's just committed.
Speaker 2: To the bit.
Speaker 1: And you know, they say the night there's like he
Speaker 1: was scared. You need to slip up, you need to
Speaker 1: slip up one batch spot of the ring. One watch
Speaker 1: line in every promo because it always he's good at recovering.
Speaker 1: It's no big deal. But it's just it's like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, there it was. It's like a drinking game,
Speaker 1: all right, go ahead.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's his that's his power. You know, they say
Speaker 4: with them with with piano performers, there's two great kinds,
Speaker 4: the kind that never really make mistakes and the kind
Speaker 4: that makes mistakes and they just flow with it. And
Speaker 4: that's what La Knight is. He makes mistakes, but he
Speaker 4: doesn't let it like throw him off. He just flows
Speaker 4: with it, and we flow right on with him.
Speaker 1: Yep, and give him credit.
Speaker 2: Because yeah, I said he need to get with soul.
Speaker 1: Ruka, No, there there is in you know, even l
Speaker 1: A Knight coming on me. He got a nice pop
Speaker 1: and all that. But the theme of the night was
Speaker 1: wrestlers kind of coming out looking around, going man, have
Speaker 1: the book and left up everything I mean like that's
Speaker 1: about it. I mean like they're just looking around going
Speaker 1: we got you know, ten thousand plus people, and where
Speaker 1: I'm not getting the reaction I'm used to Roman seth
Speaker 1: la anybody language you could read it was, oh shit,
Speaker 1: what's happened? Something's not right, you know. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just they need to have a post SummerSlam, you know, meeting.
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't I don't get like I
Speaker 1: don't do this, but like in my report, I like
Speaker 1: I wrote in my raw report, I said, you know,
Speaker 1: after Summer Slam, if Paula Beck and his creative team
Speaker 1: still have jobs, they need to sit down and have
Speaker 1: been honest discussion but what led them to this mess
Speaker 1: and start really reevaluating their rationale for what they're doing
Speaker 1: and shake things up? And I and I don't usually
Speaker 1: say if they still have a job. I don't do
Speaker 1: that to like, you know, be provocative. I just literally
Speaker 1: it's just crossing my mind. They have booked themselves into
Speaker 1: a position that I didn't think I would be saying
Speaker 1: for a long time, which is they be looking elsewhere
Speaker 1: because I have lost so much faith in this and
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go on theok that because maybe there's
Speaker 1: some outside forces and all of that, but I mean
Speaker 1: he's at a creative so I mean, until proven otherwise,
Speaker 1: I'm starting to question whether he has what it takes
Speaker 1: to be the guy that should lead this very very
Speaker 1: very big international entertainment company forward. If he can't, correct course,
Speaker 1: I think he should be given them a chance. But
Speaker 1: he's got to give if I'm his boss, and his
Speaker 1: bosses don't know what they're doing. They said Pat McFie
Speaker 1: out there to say that would be ship, So you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, who's gonna fix it? They got a bad GM,
Speaker 1: a bad coach, bad bad assistant coaches. They're listening to
Speaker 1: the internet, They're they're serving different masters. I don't know.
Speaker 1: You know it well, I hope they come through and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, September is a better August breast of August.
Speaker 1: The temper shows that they rebound and they they just
Speaker 1: book themselves and paint themselves in a corner. They didn't
Speaker 1: know how to get out of it. But they still
Speaker 1: know what they're doing. But I don't know, Well, I.
Speaker 8: Wonder how things would have been different if a couple
Speaker 8: of different things would have been booked different. Maybe if
Speaker 8: you had a hot face challenging for the title, and
Speaker 8: it was just about the title and nothing about meta.
Speaker 8: You had a hot title a few you started telling
Speaker 8: more stories with the women title and not just having
Speaker 8: them be fonder to other outside stuff like Dan house
Speaker 8: and stuff and all that, and just kept it simple like.
Speaker 2: You did with certain other stuff before.
Speaker 6: How would this be dead?
Speaker 8: How how would this would have looked when you got
Speaker 8: somebody that people want to fall?
Speaker 1: Yeah, here's a couple of other chet comments, uh drawn.
Speaker 1: Paul Rude Dog says, wait to love the analysis at
Speaker 1: Randy ort lostter bet and that's why his matches are
Speaker 1: so boring?
Speaker 3: Is that what you said?
Speaker 1: No, somebody said, But you know, it's one way to
Speaker 1: look at it. Kvanti smalls, even if Knight has a
Speaker 1: probobot here in there, it seems authentic and not overrehearsed.
Speaker 1: He's passionate, so thing others stringing with totally agree with that.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 1: Set of eleven says the resurgence of the bloodline should
Speaker 1: have been more of a high alert big deal that
Speaker 1: should have had Cody Seth et cetera, all hands on
Speaker 1: deck to stop this before it gets started again. Salle
Speaker 1: Vision three says the crowd was terrible for an LA
Speaker 1: crowd today. It shows how uninteresting the show currently is.
Speaker 1: Cavante Small says the Canary in the coal Mine was
Speaker 1: rest many forty two ticket sales. SummerSlam is the chickens
Speaker 1: coming home to roost. The fall needs an overhaul. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Goodfella says it feels so weird from the way
Speaker 1: he booked that XT which I loved. Obviously he had
Speaker 1: to grow and evolve some, but it feels so far
Speaker 1: removed from that. That's what's so puzzling about this. Saddle
Speaker 1: Vision three goes, you can't blame the lack of talent either,
Speaker 1: that would be stacked with current stars and potential mediamentors.
Speaker 1: This is all on the bookers.
Speaker 4: It's not the performances.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Did you get them something to You gave a crowd
Speaker 2: some to believe.
Speaker 8: They got behind it self and Javan Emmons they were
Speaker 8: behind that whole match, the whole the solution.
Speaker 1: Of their problems that staring at them. In the mid
Speaker 1: card throughout Baby facing people liking and Steel people want
Speaker 1: to see Louise. That's the mid card formulas getting the
Speaker 1: crowd reactions that the main adventures deserve to get They're
Speaker 1: making it overly complicated, needlessly ye.
Speaker 2: Javan Javan doing the baby face thing.
Speaker 8: They told the story a couple of weeks after he said, Hey,
Speaker 8: I don't want to lose no more and I'm gonna
Speaker 8: do my best up out of that.
Speaker 2: The rap, rap and stereo match. What do you call
Speaker 2: this the best heel right now?
Speaker 8: And he did something. I stopped the six one nine
Speaker 8: by just grabbing the eighth word, putting it up. Get
Speaker 8: you crowd booted didn't like it, upset so mad about it,
Speaker 8: just so simple boom.
Speaker 2: That's another thing your boy way with the Vision tonight,
Speaker 2: simple beat down.
Speaker 8: I'm gona beat you up, the oldest over as a
Speaker 8: face after last week, I beat you up. I take
Speaker 8: the chest shot, brutally beat you like that. And I
Speaker 8: got heat on for me and the Vision and Maxine,
Speaker 8: those three. The crowd was in all of it, the
Speaker 8: whole entire time. They were reacting to what they were seeing.
Speaker 8: They wasn't just giving fo years ago, this is awesome
Speaker 8: fight forever. They wasn't chanting your music. They weren't saying
Speaker 8: oh acknowledged me. They got into the matches and they
Speaker 8: got behind these people, and they continue to push each
Speaker 8: week because those three, those three matches and the people
Speaker 8: in the matches the past two to three weeks have
Speaker 8: been getting over each crowd each week. So, like you said,
Speaker 8: they have it in the mid car, so they can
Speaker 8: do it in one place, and they just need to
Speaker 8: do it in the bigger futures.
Speaker 1: Yep, just I mean the answer to their problems is
Speaker 1: in the mid card. Just drop man aventance into that formula,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean what yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he said. Those matches had a despicable heel and
Speaker 4: the crowd felt very comfortable, you know, cheering on their
Speaker 4: favorites and.
Speaker 1: In a simple formula. Because they didn't, the rest of
Speaker 1: is can get a bunch of Mike time Paul to
Speaker 1: ruin it. I mean, there is something about wrestlings. He's understand.
Speaker 1: It's why it's it's so internationally popular. You don't even
Speaker 1: need to know the language to understand what's going on.
Speaker 1: Ethan walks to the ring and you want to see
Speaker 1: him lose, you said, walks to the ring like I
Speaker 1: want to see and Javon comes out unless you find
Speaker 1: him a little too much. This guy's you know, he's bouncy,
Speaker 1: and he's enthusiastic, and he's.
Speaker 4: He he was loving those fans like they were his
Speaker 4: long lost family. Yeah, he was great.
Speaker 1: Austin Theory and Maxine, they're falling. Yeah, you know you're right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And then the PDA with Austin Theory, Maxine, like, I
Speaker 1: want to see that. Look at that guy he's got
Speaker 1: must have had everything handed to him. Look at that,
Speaker 1: Look at him, look at he's he's like, I want
Speaker 1: to see him. He's flaunting, he's being you know, Mexicane,
Speaker 1: being mean to Otis for every for every guy out
Speaker 1: there doesn't have that perfect body, who has time for that?
Speaker 1: You know whatever? All the people I don't they just
Speaker 1: like you, just you have this natural and like animosity
Speaker 1: and towards towards them, And I don't know, It's.
Speaker 4: Just sounds a way way hotter opener than I would
Speaker 4: have thought Otis and Tazawa were capable of. Ye, But
Speaker 4: because people, yeah, they they they felt for Otis and
Speaker 4: and who wouldn't hate, right, who wouldn't hate Austin Theory
Speaker 4: with that sex st up, you know, to pre on
Speaker 4: his arm, I mean gosh, and just flaunting it. Yeah, Yep,
Speaker 4: it was a hot match. It could have been longer.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think it was a good match, but
Speaker 4: they could have gotten more out of it. The crowd
Speaker 4: was into it.
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Speaker 1: closing words?
Speaker 8: Closing words would so probably need to get with Javon
Speaker 8: Evans because I think that's who they hope that you
Speaker 8: would be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, with the moves and he has toned down a
Speaker 2: lot of the extra ness and got a little serious.
Speaker 2: So he done.
Speaker 8: Coming up to the main roster hasn't done him justice
Speaker 8: and he ain't being all so bouncy all the time
Speaker 8: and he knowing when to do it, how would do it,
Speaker 8: and stuff like that. So that might be somebody they
Speaker 8: need to tell her the model herself out, somebody who
Speaker 8: appear level.
Speaker 2: But that's it for me.
Speaker 1: Great, Yeah, thanks thanks for all. I was good talking you.
Speaker 1: There's some good help spots in this match tonight, some
Speaker 1: good in near falls at your buy. I was buying
Speaker 1: some of those matches could go either way.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's just it's just keep it. There's a formula and
Speaker 1: it is. It's just it's stop making it harder than
Speaker 1: it has to be, more complicated than it has to be.
Speaker 1: And that's that's the part. Yeah, m I mean when
Speaker 1: I say they don't know what they're doing, I mean
Speaker 1: they're kind of doing it, but they're doing it when
Speaker 1: they're keeping it simple and just yeah, Like there were
Speaker 1: times where I was sure Javan was about to lose,
Speaker 1: and then I thought, oh, he's gonna win, and then
Speaker 1: I thought it's always gonna loose and then he won,
Speaker 1: you know, because that was could go either way, you know,
Speaker 1: ethan a race, same thing. You know, it felt like
Speaker 1: that that could have gone either way. You know, it
Speaker 1: was a you know, based on where they are. You know,
Speaker 1: Sol and Raquel had that going for it. It just
Speaker 1: didn't you know, didn't didn't play out. But all right,
Speaker 1: a few other check comments here. Uh, Jane Hartford says,
Speaker 1: laid to the party here, but I loved everything about
Speaker 1: the Opra Brock segment until Oba attacked security. Mister Freshman said, yeah,
Speaker 1: Jay agree. They made Opal look childish and foolish for
Speaker 1: attacking them for no reason. Although Michael Cole said, you
Speaker 1: can't blame him? Why why why are you saying what
Speaker 1: you're saying, Michael Cole? Why can we not blame him?
Speaker 4: What he like?
Speaker 1: What are we supposed to believe is in Michael Cole's
Speaker 1: head that makes him think you can't blame Oba because
Speaker 1: Brock didn't enter the ring for a way, and so
Speaker 1: now he gets to beat up a cops give or take.
Speaker 4: Like, ah, he wouldn't have made a great lawyer.
Speaker 1: Michael Cole, Yeah, okay, I know. We've got some other
Speaker 1: comments here, I wanted to throw up. Jay Harris says,
Speaker 1: Bruce Pritchard's running these shows for places to figurehead like
Speaker 1: Dana White as in UFC. These shows look so much
Speaker 1: different than they did two years ago. Someone mentioned that
Speaker 1: just watching w unreal that you know, it seems like
Speaker 1: some of this stuff that that Prichard would be endorsing. Oh,
Speaker 1: Jane Harford says, my I will say my casual fan
Speaker 1: wife looked up when I complained about Oba's attack. She
Speaker 1: said something like, well, isn't it about the fight, at
Speaker 1: which point I went on a rant about heroes and villains.
Speaker 1: This does feel like it's like the top stuff is
Speaker 1: being booked b people who don't understand wrestling, but they
Speaker 1: think they know what it's about, and then they're they're
Speaker 1: just wrecking it. Let's see, uh some of them And
Speaker 1: says why do the Usles and Jacob care about them anyway?
Speaker 1: Don't don't shouldn't they be concerned about Roman and Seth?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: To a degree, I mean it is, is there? Cavante
Speaker 1: Small says, going through shed be in a match with
Speaker 1: a strong up and coming Babyfacero, So I should be
Speaker 1: feuding with Chavon Punk Roman Seth and Cody should be
Speaker 1: against fresh opponents. Yeah, Seler says, I wonder how much
Speaker 1: of Vince's guys like Bruce Bricherd Michael Hayes are influencing
Speaker 1: bad booking. A lot of the stuff has felt vincey
Speaker 1: this year. They need a book or overhaul under triple h.
Speaker 1: That's why I say, you know, I mean, I'm got
Speaker 1: place has a head of creative title. If he wants
Speaker 1: to call me off record and explain what's really happening,
Speaker 1: I can adjust and abide by the off record on
Speaker 1: background only explanation. But he's had a creative in this
Speaker 1: products has his his name on it. Yeah, yeah, Cavante
Speaker 1: Small says, Yeah, my spidy senses tell me Bruce Bricherd
Speaker 1: and Michael Hays are influencing clinging onto the bad booking.
Speaker 1: What Michael hay should no better?
Speaker 4: I wonder how much of that, how much of this
Speaker 4: you know again, I'm stuck on my idea that I'm
Speaker 4: hopeful that the bloodline turns heels. I wonder how much
Speaker 4: of this is just sort of them delaying, if that's true,
Speaker 4: them just delaying that too much and trying to, you know,
Speaker 4: trying to take takes it. You know, if they had,
Speaker 4: if they had clearly turned a month ago, I think
Speaker 4: we'd be in a different place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, no question. I mean, and then that just
Speaker 1: comes down to they're they're not doing what's best for
Speaker 1: Summer Slam because they think they have something more important
Speaker 1: that makes the price for paying now worth it. And
Speaker 1: I mean that might that's like the best explanation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it sucks, but it's maybe the best thing I've that
Speaker 1: I can you know that I've heard or can conjure up.
Speaker 1: Dougy Dug says, I just finished Raw. I'm tuning into
Speaker 1: the post show. That downhousing segment maybe the fringiest Raw
Speaker 1: segment since they had the fake Rosie o'dno versus Trump Wrestling. Wow,
Speaker 1: you know, come on, they went all in. They weren't
Speaker 1: They weren't shy, they weren't bashful.
Speaker 4: We got to say that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Jane Harferd says, I don't normally listen to post how
Speaker 1: to finish Raw, but tonight is an exception, and I'm
Speaker 1: glad I've not seen that horrible segment that everyone's talking about.
Speaker 1: Uh Jay, Yes, Jay also said uh Dom can do no,
Speaker 1: the match will be short. Fine, and fun. Yes, the
Speaker 1: human money on a pole match Dom just you know,
Speaker 1: he's Dom could be in a better spot right now.
Speaker 1: He's good at this, you know, lower card comedic, sidebar
Speaker 1: side world stuff. But I don't. I hope they're not
Speaker 1: damaging what I think they had going, which is that
Speaker 1: people might take him more seriously as somebody who could
Speaker 1: hold his own at a higher level. And you know
Speaker 1: they might be going too too long with him as
Speaker 1: just the butt of a joke. I'm not giving up
Speaker 1: on him, but it's it's it's creeping in, Like, come on,
Speaker 1: he's in the early twenties. Now, let's there's something there.
Speaker 1: You need fresh stars. Do something where you go, we're
Speaker 1: in the DOM business at a at a where he's
Speaker 1: he can he can be here or he can be
Speaker 1: a face. You can do it either way. But get
Speaker 1: him in the ring, having serious, longer matches for the
Speaker 1: IC or US title, and build him to a point
Speaker 1: where you could imagine him being an opponent for Cody
Speaker 1: Rhodes a Sea I'm punk seth rawlins, like, get him
Speaker 1: to that level where it's not not them moving down
Speaker 1: the card to meet him, it's him moving up the
Speaker 1: cart to wrestle them in a passing of the torch
Speaker 1: type of situation.
Speaker 4: He's I'm not a fan of Dom, like I don't
Speaker 4: see the potential in him, but I have to say
Speaker 4: he has really been damaged by the booking in recent months. Meant,
Speaker 4: when he was, you know, wrestling John Cena a few
Speaker 4: months ago, and he was at just a totally different level.
Speaker 4: And they're not telling us that he is someone to
Speaker 4: take seriously, that he is a threat, or or that
Speaker 4: he's someone that we should invest in.
Speaker 1: Yep. Then he says, this is the last old rival
Speaker 1: Roman should face for a while. We need new opponents
Speaker 1: for him, like Bron and Javon. Yeah, yeah, and I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if Dom can be top level,
Speaker 1: but I've seen I've seen enough glimpses. I would I would.
Speaker 1: I would start protecting him a little more and moving
Speaker 1: him out of just looking like he's just gonna defined
Speaker 1: at a certain way. By the way, when will Jimmy
Speaker 1: Hart agree to start aging he looks like he did
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty five?
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4: I mean, he makes good use of hair dye. I
Speaker 4: give him that.
Speaker 1: Well, that that's that's for sure. But I maybe he
Speaker 1: always did, but like I just one of these days,
Speaker 1: I just expect to go, oh, you know, it finally
Speaker 1: caught up, you know, it caught up to him, you know,
Speaker 1: just like you know, how old do you think he is?
Speaker 1: I guess eighty four. He's eighty two. He's eighty two.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: And honestly, I mean he looks he looks like a
Speaker 1: he looks like a sixty five year old trying to
Speaker 1: look fifty two, you know, like that's it. But he
Speaker 1: doesn't look eighty two.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: Maybe if he walks, he's like, you know, has a
Speaker 1: walker or something. I don't know, but he's he's like
Speaker 1: he's got all the energy and all the energy.
Speaker 2: Still.
Speaker 4: Yeah, amazing, Paul.
Speaker 1: Anything else in your notes or anything else you want
Speaker 1: to bring up from the show. I'm kind of scrolling
Speaker 1: through my report see if.
Speaker 4: There's Yeah, I didn't want to just point out how
Speaker 4: much I really enjoyed the Mysterio versus Ethan Page match.
Speaker 4: You know, with a veteran like Mysterio, you think that
Speaker 4: that that Ethan would kind of treat him with kid gloves,
Speaker 4: would go a little soft. That was a hard hitting match,
Speaker 4: and they both took some some really stiff looking shots.
Speaker 4: So so I thought that was a just just a
Speaker 4: treat that I didn't I didn't know I wanted, but
Speaker 4: I needed that and a really big win for someone
Speaker 4: who really needed it. In Ethan page.
Speaker 1: Yep Uh, Dom's Cavanti Small says dom strength is his
Speaker 1: character work and mic work like trick, and lately that's
Speaker 1: been taken away from him. Yeah, all right, cool, uh
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