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PW torch dot com slash 27 00:01:26.280 --> 00:01:27.120 Go VIP. 28 00:01:35.799 --> 00:01:36.200 Now. 29 00:01:36.400 --> 00:01:40.680 PW Torch brings you the Wade Keller Pro Wrestling post show. 30 00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:45.519 It's time to talk this week's WWE Monday Night Raw. 31 00:01:49.560 --> 00:01:52.959 All right, Paul Seth, Rawlins and Roman Raines close out 32 00:01:52.959 --> 00:01:56.040 SummerSlam their SummerSlam hype, which got smacked down on Friday 33 00:01:56.439 --> 00:01:59.280 with a show closing face to face. I didn't think 34 00:01:59.319 --> 00:02:02.840 the crowd was read hot Ford. We got some otc chance. 35 00:02:02.599 --> 00:02:02.840 But. 36 00:02:04.359 --> 00:02:07.560 Not not too much else. I don't think they had 37 00:02:07.560 --> 00:02:10.680 a lot left to say. I think Seth avoided stepping 38 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:12.560 in anything that was sort of triggering for me, that 39 00:02:12.599 --> 00:02:15.000 was overly meta. In fact, I think he tried to 40 00:02:16.199 --> 00:02:21.039 take some meta material that he got criticized for a 41 00:02:21.039 --> 00:02:24.120 couple of weeks back and reframe it in a way 42 00:02:24.120 --> 00:02:30.319 that I think fits it. Fits kind of storyline, which 43 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:32.479 is your everything the company wanted you to be, rather 44 00:02:32.520 --> 00:02:34.400 than the company gave you everything you got, And he 45 00:02:34.439 --> 00:02:36.240 was very he went out of his way to say 46 00:02:36.800 --> 00:02:38.800 that you have I want. I don't want to take 47 00:02:38.800 --> 00:02:41.159 anything away from you. You've earned everything. But then he 48 00:02:41.199 --> 00:02:42.680 says there's one thing I'm better than you had, and 49 00:02:42.680 --> 00:02:44.759 it's pro wrestling, which then he follows up at going, 50 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:46.560 but I'm also smarter than you one, but are strategist, 51 00:02:46.560 --> 00:02:51.000 So I guess it's two things. So I don't know. 52 00:02:51.199 --> 00:02:53.599 I mean, I kind of just came out of as 53 00:02:53.639 --> 00:02:54.639 kind of lukewarm. How about you. 54 00:02:55.680 --> 00:02:57.879 I thought it was a step in the right direction. 55 00:02:58.879 --> 00:03:01.439 I mean, as far is the face to heal Dynamic, 56 00:03:01.520 --> 00:03:04.520 who he says to root for, it was a total mess. 57 00:03:04.639 --> 00:03:11.039 Yet again they both came off looking terrible. Seth declared 58 00:03:11.120 --> 00:03:13.560 himself the villain, and he sure acted like it, saying 59 00:03:13.599 --> 00:03:17.560 you want to see Roman's kids cry. But Roman was 60 00:03:17.800 --> 00:03:23.639 nearly as as as unlikable in his declaration that he 61 00:03:23.759 --> 00:03:27.680 is the only true superstar, the only true champion, and 62 00:03:27.759 --> 00:03:31.479 the entire industry needs him to beat Seth Rawlins somehow, 63 00:03:31.520 --> 00:03:35.159 which I don't think resonated with fans at all, So 64 00:03:35.400 --> 00:03:40.000 I did, like, just like you said, Seth avoided the meta. 65 00:03:40.360 --> 00:03:44.599 He came up with a story that in canon works right, 66 00:03:45.080 --> 00:03:48.080 that you're a big star, you're real chrismatic, but when 67 00:03:48.080 --> 00:03:51.240 it's one on one, I got your number, and him 68 00:03:51.280 --> 00:03:54.599 saying I'm better at you in the ring, that that resonates. 69 00:03:54.680 --> 00:03:57.680 I mean, I think most fans you know, see some 70 00:03:57.759 --> 00:04:01.159 truth to that while not step over the line into 71 00:04:01.199 --> 00:04:05.520 meta territory. So I think that that in terms of 72 00:04:05.560 --> 00:04:07.879 avoiding that, I think Seth was at his best. He 73 00:04:08.039 --> 00:04:12.759 finally found a groove the on the eve of Summer Slam, 74 00:04:13.400 --> 00:04:15.719 but still a mess with who we're supposed to root for. 75 00:04:16.680 --> 00:04:19.600 Yeah, and I think there's some damage that's been done, 76 00:04:19.720 --> 00:04:22.639 you know. I mean this if this was three weeks ago, 77 00:04:22.720 --> 00:04:24.759 when this is our promo, or even if they hadn't 78 00:04:24.800 --> 00:04:26.279 done what they did over the last few weeks, and 79 00:04:26.319 --> 00:04:29.519 this was kind of the the final face to face, 80 00:04:29.800 --> 00:04:32.959 it was fine. Sometimes you stick to basics, you bring 81 00:04:33.000 --> 00:04:35.040 someone's family and kids into it and then they snap 82 00:04:36.399 --> 00:04:37.680 and then you know, I thought it was kind of 83 00:04:37.680 --> 00:04:39.000 clever to have him go and get a chair and 84 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:40.319 think should I use this? Should I use this? He 85 00:04:40.399 --> 00:04:42.399 kind of pondered it a little will last ray like, 86 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:45.040 then slides in the ring in perfect position to get 87 00:04:45.079 --> 00:04:48.680 stomped on the chair. I mean it was, like I said, 88 00:04:48.680 --> 00:04:52.399 it was fine, but we're seeing the price paid for 89 00:04:52.680 --> 00:04:55.600 really this segment earlier where you got very popular l 90 00:04:55.639 --> 00:04:57.360 A Knight, a guy who should be getting pops but 91 00:04:57.439 --> 00:04:59.160 is getting nothing or his keys because he's part of 92 00:04:59.160 --> 00:05:01.959 this awful storyline. Solda so CoA sort of playing a 93 00:05:01.959 --> 00:05:04.040 babyface opposite of the usas who have a bond with 94 00:05:04.079 --> 00:05:06.160 the audience. And then Jacob I two with the fans 95 00:05:06.199 --> 00:05:08.079 desperately want to cheer, but they're just sitting on their 96 00:05:08.079 --> 00:05:10.959 hands now when he does anything, and you have I 97 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:14.639 mean to me, you couldn't script a more a storyline 98 00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:16.759 for a six man take match with six bake stars 99 00:05:16.800 --> 00:05:20.000 worse than they did this unless your goal was to 100 00:05:20.120 --> 00:05:25.040 show how bankrupt the muddled personality approach to booking ambiguous 101 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:27.639 characters against each other is with if your goal is 102 00:05:28.920 --> 00:05:32.160 to have the audience just end up ambivalent about everything, 103 00:05:32.199 --> 00:05:35.920 while they succeeded wildly. So the problem is is that 104 00:05:35.959 --> 00:05:39.040 USO's are and Jacob are aligned with Roman and they're 105 00:05:39.040 --> 00:05:42.639 the heels sort of but not really, but I mean 106 00:05:42.720 --> 00:05:47.439 more than not against Solo and Night and Royce, and 107 00:05:47.439 --> 00:05:50.439 then we're supposed to cheer Roman because Seth and they 108 00:05:50.480 --> 00:05:53.079 don't talk about it, but Seth played a strong heel 109 00:05:53.120 --> 00:05:55.120 role as science made event that's not even entered into 110 00:05:55.240 --> 00:05:58.600 rock Cannon at this point. M So the whole I know, 111 00:05:58.720 --> 00:05:59.920 I mean, I'm gonna go rant like I did last 112 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:01.480 about it. If you want to hear me really go off, 113 00:06:01.759 --> 00:06:04.560 just watch the first half our last week's Raw Post show. 114 00:06:04.879 --> 00:06:08.160 But I mean, they are paying a price for some 115 00:06:08.360 --> 00:06:11.639 really philosophically lost booking. 116 00:06:11.680 --> 00:06:12.000 They are. 117 00:06:12.439 --> 00:06:14.720 It's I don't even know that they're flailing. I think 118 00:06:14.759 --> 00:06:16.759 they were. The term I used going into Restumania was 119 00:06:16.759 --> 00:06:19.199 they were flailing the Pat McAfee nonsense and other things. 120 00:06:19.680 --> 00:06:25.879 This isn't flailing. This actually feels like a manifestation of 121 00:06:26.040 --> 00:06:30.000 a philosophy that they think is cool, cutting edge and 122 00:06:30.040 --> 00:06:32.959 going to connect with the with the social media internet crowd. 123 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:38.040 That is so without any kind of foundational evidence that 124 00:06:38.120 --> 00:06:40.879 it works or even any any kind of logic that 125 00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:42.800 it's just a it's just blowing up in their face. 126 00:06:44.120 --> 00:06:47.360 So and it affected Seth Roman. 127 00:06:47.519 --> 00:06:50.759 Yeah, yeah, if if anyone listening needs that needed any 128 00:06:50.800 --> 00:06:52.879 proof of that. The proof of that was in the 129 00:06:52.959 --> 00:06:57.199 audience response. Yeah, I mean they just were confused. They 130 00:06:57.199 --> 00:07:00.879 were interested, they were on board, but they just didn't 131 00:07:00.879 --> 00:07:04.959 know how to respond other than you know, eventually singing 132 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:08.759 says song and chanting otc. Depending on who was who 133 00:07:08.839 --> 00:07:11.839 was on top. So yeah, that way, it's been a 134 00:07:11.920 --> 00:07:12.360 rough one. 135 00:07:13.439 --> 00:07:16.160 Yeah, And and I hope that, honestly, Paul, I hope 136 00:07:16.199 --> 00:07:19.079 that after this they sit down and have an actual 137 00:07:19.079 --> 00:07:24.160 honest discussion about this approach that they've been defending internally. 138 00:07:25.879 --> 00:07:28.600 And you know, obviously they're doing it because they think 139 00:07:28.639 --> 00:07:30.519 it's a good idea. But I think it's time to 140 00:07:30.560 --> 00:07:33.600 sit back and go is this really a good idea? 141 00:07:33.839 --> 00:07:35.480 Is it? Should we be listening to the people who 142 00:07:35.560 --> 00:07:38.399 say it's it's passe to quote tell fans who to 143 00:07:38.480 --> 00:07:40.120 cheer for and who to boo, which is not the point. 144 00:07:40.160 --> 00:07:42.600 Nobody says you should tell people to cheer. That's that's 145 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:45.839 that is a straw man argument that is framing my 146 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:48.360 case in the case you and many others make when 147 00:07:48.399 --> 00:07:50.920 you observe this stuff, it's not tell fans who who 148 00:07:50.920 --> 00:07:53.720 to cheer for. It's present wrestlers who fans want to 149 00:07:53.800 --> 00:07:57.560 cheer against wrestlers who fans want to boo be, understand 150 00:07:57.600 --> 00:07:59.720 your audience enough to know who those wrestlers are, and 151 00:07:59.759 --> 00:08:02.839 then do that. It's that simple. This is pro wrestling. 152 00:08:02.839 --> 00:08:05.600 That's a formula. Don't complicate it and then continue to 153 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:08.519 complicate it with We'll let the fans choose because we're sophisticated. 154 00:08:08.519 --> 00:08:12.000 It's not nineteen seventy eight anymore. It's like it's human 155 00:08:12.120 --> 00:08:15.920 nature still, you know. So anyway, Okay, I will check 156 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:20.000 myself there. We do have a lot of check comments, 157 00:08:22.040 --> 00:08:24.240 you know, talking about the things that we're talking about. 158 00:08:25.680 --> 00:08:28.240 But I before we get to that, I want to 159 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:30.279 examine just Seth Roman just a little bit more and 160 00:08:30.360 --> 00:08:33.399 ask you what you thought of the videos. Have The 161 00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:37.279 videos recounting their history made this feel because if you 162 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:38.840 told me, you know, two months ago, we're gonna do 163 00:08:38.919 --> 00:08:41.399 Roman against Seth at SummerSlam, and we're gonna put two 164 00:08:41.480 --> 00:08:43.440 three videos on every show for a few weeks, I'd 165 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:46.120 be like, of course, that's great, there's a history here. 166 00:08:46.320 --> 00:08:50.919 You can't do video packages on Lesnar versus Oba that 167 00:08:51.120 --> 00:08:53.279 have this kind of history between them. You have it 168 00:08:53.679 --> 00:08:56.559 presented so I'm good with it. I think it was 169 00:08:56.559 --> 00:08:58.240 a good thing to do. I think they were largely 170 00:08:58.240 --> 00:09:01.919 well put together. But in the end, I think it's 171 00:09:01.960 --> 00:09:04.080 supporting material, but it's not enough to make up for 172 00:09:04.120 --> 00:09:04.759 the other stuff. 173 00:09:05.759 --> 00:09:08.360 Yeah, agreed, they really got off on the wrong foot. 174 00:09:08.480 --> 00:09:12.200 Had they started with a promo like what we saw tonight, 175 00:09:12.279 --> 00:09:14.559 they would be in a much better place, a much 176 00:09:14.600 --> 00:09:20.240 stronger place, even with the confusion about, you know again, 177 00:09:20.600 --> 00:09:23.080 who we're supposed to admire and who we're supposed to 178 00:09:23.120 --> 00:09:27.840 get behind. But yeah, the video packages were good. It 179 00:09:27.960 --> 00:09:30.840 was a good reminder of the history, and I liked 180 00:09:30.879 --> 00:09:35.240 how it framed it to support Seth's argument, because of course, 181 00:09:35.759 --> 00:09:39.000 you know, fans don't really I would imagine most fans 182 00:09:39.039 --> 00:09:42.120 don't think Seth has much of a chance to win, right, 183 00:09:42.440 --> 00:09:44.559 He just doesn't seem like he's framed that way. So 184 00:09:45.399 --> 00:09:49.600 the videos told the story that he's been telling that Ultimately, 185 00:09:50.039 --> 00:09:53.679 Seth has Roman's number, and that's the best story I 186 00:09:53.720 --> 00:09:56.080 can think of that you can tell. That makes it 187 00:09:56.120 --> 00:09:59.159 seem like Seth has a shot, And they kind of 188 00:09:59.200 --> 00:10:02.799 reenacted it in the final scene there, when even after 189 00:10:02.879 --> 00:10:05.200 Roman laid a beat down, Seth had an ace in 190 00:10:05.320 --> 00:10:07.480 his hole with the stomp out of nowhere just when 191 00:10:07.480 --> 00:10:11.240 he needed So I think that's there the idea they're 192 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:13.480 selling us on, and I think they were successful in 193 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:13.799 that way. 194 00:10:14.279 --> 00:10:18.840 Yeah. Did you know that you can enjoy commercial free 195 00:10:18.919 --> 00:10:21.399 versions of all of your favorite weight color podcasts and 196 00:10:21.440 --> 00:10:24.919 p torch daily casts on Spotify. Just go to patreon 197 00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:28.879 dot com search pw Torch and subscribe to a VIP 198 00:10:29.000 --> 00:10:31.080 membership tier. 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I'm a lifelong wrestling fan as well as 286 00:14:46.200 --> 00:14:53.120 a longtime fan of the Torch and VIP. I love 287 00:14:53.240 --> 00:14:58.759 the pl E roundtables. That's my absolute favorite I look 288 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:02.720 forward to every month. Then I write the WWE Rising 289 00:15:02.759 --> 00:15:06.960 and Fading Stars column, so so I weigh in each 290 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:11.720 week on who is outperforming their push and and and 291 00:15:11.759 --> 00:15:14.639 who is just flailing. So it's a lot of fun 292 00:15:14.679 --> 00:15:16.480 and very excited to be with you tonight. 293 00:15:17.360 --> 00:15:21.559 I liked your Babyface edition last week, running running through, 294 00:15:21.919 --> 00:15:23.759 running through the strengths and weaknesses of the baby face 295 00:15:23.799 --> 00:15:25.320 out of things. Although it's a challenge to take on 296 00:15:25.480 --> 00:15:28.639 given the the lack of clarity these days with who 297 00:15:28.679 --> 00:15:32.120 actually counts as a babyface in WWE's. 298 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:33.679 Realm, there's still some good ones. 299 00:15:34.120 --> 00:15:37.440 Yes, yep, by the way, mister Freshman ninety two, since 300 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:39.679 I read the roundtaper reviews tonight for the w pay 301 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:41.559 per view during the first star of Raw, it was 302 00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:46.559 more interesting than anything I've lost tonight. Awesome, appreciate appreciate 303 00:15:46.600 --> 00:15:51.600 you saying that, and uh yeah, I'm trying to think 304 00:15:51.600 --> 00:15:53.240 of that. Oh So, if you want to be a caller, 305 00:15:55.080 --> 00:15:57.039 root dog dropped off so only to rail rude dot 306 00:15:57.080 --> 00:15:59.360 call back. If you want to be a caller, you 307 00:15:59.360 --> 00:16:00.960 can find a link to be a caller in my 308 00:16:01.039 --> 00:16:03.639 TV report at PW Torch. Just go to the website 309 00:16:04.120 --> 00:16:07.879 and you can find a link in at the top 310 00:16:07.879 --> 00:16:10.320 and bottom of my Raw TV report that I'll that'll 311 00:16:10.320 --> 00:16:11.639 just bring you right into the waiting room and we'll 312 00:16:11.639 --> 00:16:15.000 bring down the show. If you subscribe to our YouTube channel, 313 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:16.639 you can also get alert to let you know when 314 00:16:16.639 --> 00:16:18.679 we're going live, so that it's a reminder that we 315 00:16:18.720 --> 00:16:20.240 are going live, and you can follow and you can 316 00:16:21.440 --> 00:16:23.559 watch us live and then participate if you want. You 317 00:16:23.600 --> 00:16:25.039 can also join us in the chat, which will be 318 00:16:25.080 --> 00:16:26.720 throwing some comments up in a moment, and then you 319 00:16:26.720 --> 00:16:29.480 can also email the show weight teller post show at 320 00:16:29.480 --> 00:16:31.639 gmail dot com the best way to reach us for 321 00:16:31.840 --> 00:16:34.120 our post show format. That's especially handy if you watch 322 00:16:34.159 --> 00:16:35.919 the show's live but can't watch our posthoal live, but 323 00:16:35.960 --> 00:16:37.840 you want to be part of the show with your 324 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:40.480 opinions or ask questions, that's the best route to go. 325 00:16:41.279 --> 00:16:45.759 All right, so let's read a few chat comments and 326 00:16:45.799 --> 00:16:49.720 don't bring Ruddog onto the show first. And I'm going 327 00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:52.919 to stick to chat comments at the moment that are 328 00:16:53.279 --> 00:16:56.559 specific to the sess situation. Although people are posting about 329 00:16:56.639 --> 00:16:59.919 Brock and Nova and whatever, that's so Ruka raquel match 330 00:17:00.120 --> 00:17:05.000 was supposed to be and the Dan Housen concert with 331 00:17:05.240 --> 00:17:09.720 Joe Henry Yeah and more so. Uh Celevision three says 332 00:17:09.759 --> 00:17:12.319 I thought Roman and Seth was fine today. Yeah, that's 333 00:17:12.359 --> 00:17:14.000 my thought too. I think that's kind of weird. Yeah, 334 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:15.839 it was a step in the right direction. This should 335 00:17:15.880 --> 00:17:18.720 have been the story the whole time, Bingo Seth's constant 336 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:20.839 rage baiting Roman and being the only rival that's ever 337 00:17:20.839 --> 00:17:22.960 been able to be in Roman's head. So that's the 338 00:17:23.039 --> 00:17:26.920 story that they're telling, and that's part of what you know. 339 00:17:27.039 --> 00:17:29.240 Like it was a problem going into WrestleMania, It's been 340 00:17:29.319 --> 00:17:30.839 less a problem with Seth Roman because there is such 341 00:17:30.839 --> 00:17:34.519 a personal history here. But Paul I wish this did 342 00:17:34.559 --> 00:17:40.359 have more to do, not with Seth trying to avenge 343 00:17:40.440 --> 00:17:44.799 some sort of unfairness that he feels he has endured 344 00:17:44.799 --> 00:17:49.680 because management favored Roman, and it was more about like Roman, 345 00:17:49.720 --> 00:17:52.000 And it goes back to his Roman's initial babyface run 346 00:17:52.039 --> 00:17:56.599 where he's not emotionally accessible to the fans. He's just cool, 347 00:17:57.119 --> 00:17:59.759 just a good guy in control, kind of has the 348 00:17:59.799 --> 00:18:01.680 sub or lemon face if someone says something, he can 349 00:18:01.720 --> 00:18:04.759 do the nostril twitch when someone gets personal. But he 350 00:18:04.799 --> 00:18:07.559 doesn't ever. I don't know if he thinks it's lowering 351 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:09.880 himself or he just doesn't believe it. It would fit his character. 352 00:18:09.920 --> 00:18:12.039 I mean, if that's the best framing of it is 353 00:18:12.079 --> 00:18:14.559 he doesn't say seth, I need to beat you because 354 00:18:14.720 --> 00:18:17.079 I need to be champion. I need to prove that 355 00:18:17.119 --> 00:18:19.640 what you're saying, well, I don't agree with the framing 356 00:18:19.680 --> 00:18:22.119 of it, there's enough truth to it, and enough people 357 00:18:22.119 --> 00:18:23.559 think there's some truth to what you're saying that I 358 00:18:23.640 --> 00:18:26.680 need to beat you, Like there isn't that element of 359 00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:28.160 I need to beat you and I need a title. 360 00:18:28.240 --> 00:18:31.400 Romans not doing his party, just sort of listening and 361 00:18:31.440 --> 00:18:37.519 having his catchphrases and so to me, like WWE, at 362 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:40.839 the core of what they put on the air, especially 363 00:18:40.839 --> 00:18:43.279 at the top of the cart obviously, is titles matter. 364 00:18:43.319 --> 00:18:47.640 That's why we're all here, and that should if you 365 00:18:48.119 --> 00:18:51.559 frame it as important consistently and you have some level 366 00:18:51.599 --> 00:18:54.279 of believability to the way you present your product overall. 367 00:18:54.279 --> 00:18:55.680 And that's why I'm an advocate for that all the time. 368 00:18:55.680 --> 00:18:57.160 And we didn't get that with the police getting beat up 369 00:18:57.319 --> 00:19:00.920 at the top of this show. Create a world where 370 00:19:00.920 --> 00:19:02.640 the things that happen can exist in that world at 371 00:19:02.640 --> 00:19:05.079 the main event level, then people will buy in. They'll 372 00:19:05.119 --> 00:19:06.720 buy into the world title matters, and they want to 373 00:19:06.759 --> 00:19:10.079 be there for history and congratulations, w They've got over 374 00:19:10.119 --> 00:19:12.480 thirty thousand tickets now distributed for both nights. It's gonna 375 00:19:12.519 --> 00:19:13.640 look really good. By the way I looked at the 376 00:19:13.680 --> 00:19:16.000 seating chart, with the entrance stage, the camera angles, and 377 00:19:16.000 --> 00:19:18.079 how everything's set up, they're gonna be They're gonna make 378 00:19:18.119 --> 00:19:19.759 it look like a huge show, even if it's the 379 00:19:19.759 --> 00:19:22.559 building's half full, and they'll sell some more tickets in 380 00:19:22.599 --> 00:19:26.240 these next five days too. But I wish that, Paul. 381 00:19:26.279 --> 00:19:29.400 I wish that they were in a position where if 382 00:19:29.400 --> 00:19:31.359 they just did the basics, they could just have a 383 00:19:31.359 --> 00:19:36.200 turnkey situation where the title being at stake is enough 384 00:19:36.480 --> 00:19:38.720 and that everything else is sort of not garnish, but 385 00:19:38.799 --> 00:19:41.319 it's enhancing it. And then you don't have to hot shot, 386 00:19:41.359 --> 00:19:43.039 you don't need to do the desperate meta stuff, you 387 00:19:43.039 --> 00:19:45.400 don't need to do the desperate play to the internet stuff. 388 00:19:45.400 --> 00:19:48.039 You don't need to say, oh, manage whatever, all this stuff. 389 00:19:48.079 --> 00:19:50.079 We criticize that for a few weeks back, Paul, what 390 00:19:50.079 --> 00:19:50.680 do you think about that? 391 00:19:51.720 --> 00:19:54.920 Yeah, I agree. I think that it was odd that 392 00:19:54.960 --> 00:19:58.680 the title almost seems extraneous in this story. It seems 393 00:19:58.680 --> 00:20:02.000 like it's much more about the personal rivalry, and the 394 00:20:02.039 --> 00:20:04.359 fact that it's for the title just seems an add 395 00:20:04.400 --> 00:20:07.039 on rather than the other way around that the title 396 00:20:07.119 --> 00:20:11.200 is really what it's all about. And especially I think 397 00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:13.880 they they they've really shied away from the fact that 398 00:20:14.240 --> 00:20:19.599 Seth was the champion who never lost his his title and. 399 00:20:19.599 --> 00:20:22.200 Throwing in as a comment but without context or underlining. 400 00:20:22.680 --> 00:20:25.519 Yeah, m and that that should have been a more 401 00:20:25.599 --> 00:20:28.079 much more of a talking point for him than it was. 402 00:20:29.160 --> 00:20:33.559 Yeah. Absolutely more comments here in the chat. Vinnie Guakin 403 00:20:33.680 --> 00:20:37.160 says Roman and Seth finally blow off this forever feud. 404 00:20:37.720 --> 00:20:39.279 Do you think, Paul, this is a last one on 405 00:20:39.279 --> 00:20:40.359 one match we'll see between them? 406 00:20:41.519 --> 00:20:46.759 No, No, that you know they're they're they're they got 407 00:20:46.799 --> 00:20:50.039 a few years left in them. Uh, yeah, I think 408 00:20:50.119 --> 00:20:52.200 we'll we'll we'll see them running back at some point. 409 00:20:52.680 --> 00:20:56.079 Yeah. Mark Bisquetti says that Roman Seth go home angle sucked. 410 00:20:56.119 --> 00:20:57.759 That's a great example of how to keep the stadium 411 00:20:57.799 --> 00:21:01.640 half full both nights. Triple H and Company are creatively bankrupt, 412 00:21:02.559 --> 00:21:07.799 So strong negative opinion there. Then vide also adds, I 413 00:21:07.799 --> 00:21:09.400 do like how the main issue Roman has with Seth 414 00:21:09.519 --> 00:21:12.279 is under his skin, and for Seth it bothers him. 415 00:21:12.279 --> 00:21:15.119 He'll always be number two fiddle to Roman, who is 416 00:21:15.200 --> 00:21:17.000 the top guy, and that is the part that they 417 00:21:17.039 --> 00:21:18.839 would defend and say that's what we're leaning into and 418 00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:21.240 sess like, but to say I'm a better professional wrestler 419 00:21:21.279 --> 00:21:24.200 than you, it's a little meta and that if you are, 420 00:21:24.279 --> 00:21:26.920 you'll beat him if you and it sort of I 421 00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:28.880 mean it works in the sense that every time we've 422 00:21:28.920 --> 00:21:31.480 we squared off, I have your number and you always 423 00:21:31.480 --> 00:21:34.279 have the bloodline interfere what I feel like is happening. 424 00:21:34.279 --> 00:21:35.480 And this is a problem when you have kind of 425 00:21:35.480 --> 00:21:39.359 two baby faces going at it. Although Roman's heel and 426 00:21:39.359 --> 00:21:41.079 says the heel in certain ways to him, depending on 427 00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:43.119 what you watch or what you what counts in your 428 00:21:43.400 --> 00:21:46.440 head canon, either or both are also heels. But when 429 00:21:46.440 --> 00:21:48.559 they're going at each other like they're top stars, you 430 00:21:48.599 --> 00:21:52.160 don't Roman code undercut Seth in certain ways. It would 431 00:21:52.160 --> 00:21:55.160 make him seem like he's not a star. He always 432 00:21:55.200 --> 00:21:57.240 comes up short of being a top, top guy, and 433 00:21:57.279 --> 00:21:59.400 he's bitter about it, but it's just the truth, and 434 00:21:59.480 --> 00:22:01.839 Seth is Roman. You have this long title Raine that 435 00:22:01.880 --> 00:22:04.359 you bring about and it's legendary, but it's sort of 436 00:22:04.440 --> 00:22:06.359 legendary because of the time period it took place in 437 00:22:06.400 --> 00:22:09.359 and how enthralled people were in the dynamic of you 438 00:22:09.440 --> 00:22:11.319 and your family. But when we look at the inn 439 00:22:11.400 --> 00:22:14.039 ring bell to bell, did you ever win without help 440 00:22:14.039 --> 00:22:17.319 from your cousins? Without help from your family? Like if 441 00:22:17.359 --> 00:22:19.000 this was a real life, I mean, that's what Seth 442 00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:21.720 would be saying. He did go there tonight, like, but 443 00:22:21.960 --> 00:22:23.440 I think it should have been a more of an 444 00:22:23.440 --> 00:22:25.880 emphasis over time. But he said, oh, you're gonna have 445 00:22:25.960 --> 00:22:28.480 to resort to the bloodline coming out again. So I 446 00:22:28.640 --> 00:22:30.839 like that he went there, but it was sort of 447 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:33.359 like dipping the toe in the water instead of just 448 00:22:33.400 --> 00:22:36.480 going right at it. So there was material here to 449 00:22:36.640 --> 00:22:40.079 work with, and I think they're sort of looking past 450 00:22:40.119 --> 00:22:42.039 this match and going in on to damage each other 451 00:22:42.119 --> 00:22:45.200 too much and bring too much stuff up. And that's 452 00:22:45.200 --> 00:22:47.759 the problem with a top star face against the top 453 00:22:47.759 --> 00:22:49.359 star face. If that's what they're both going to be 454 00:22:49.359 --> 00:22:50.839 coming out of this match. However, you look at them 455 00:22:50.839 --> 00:22:53.119 now and I think they probably will be, And so 456 00:22:53.160 --> 00:22:57.720 you're like, well, we have this match. We can't do it. 457 00:22:57.720 --> 00:22:59.799 We can't have either got both guys say everything that 458 00:22:59.799 --> 00:23:02.039 they've want to say. But then if they did, I'd 459 00:23:02.039 --> 00:23:04.079 be critical because then while they're undercutting each other so much, 460 00:23:04.079 --> 00:23:06.240 they're hurting each other's wrong part is a catch twenty two. 461 00:23:06.640 --> 00:23:09.559 And that's why against doing this kind of match unless 462 00:23:09.559 --> 00:23:12.799 you know it's gonna sell out a stadium overnight, you know, 463 00:23:12.880 --> 00:23:14.839 like I mean, like if it's going to really really 464 00:23:14.880 --> 00:23:17.000 make a difference to drawing, otherwise, just go with your 465 00:23:17.000 --> 00:23:21.599 face matchups. Yeah, Jasey's Scooby says, I wish that they 466 00:23:21.720 --> 00:23:23.559 that had money in the bank already, so every win 467 00:23:23.599 --> 00:23:26.119 between Seth and Roman they cash in and win the 468 00:23:26.119 --> 00:23:30.839 title at SummerSlam. Oh sure, Yeah, Drell says, I've been 469 00:23:30.880 --> 00:23:34.799 done with Seth versus Roman. Then he says, Roman and 470 00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:36.319 Seth will give us a banger Sunday. They never have 471 00:23:36.359 --> 00:23:38.359 bad matches, so that's a plus. I think, you know, 472 00:23:38.799 --> 00:23:42.599 that's I think they will good point. Yeah, they'll They'll 473 00:23:42.599 --> 00:23:44.200 do whatever they can to have a banger for sure. 474 00:23:44.559 --> 00:23:47.920 And isn't that Seth's career. I mean, he he frustrates 475 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:50.279 us so much, you know, on the mic and with 476 00:23:50.359 --> 00:23:53.839 his presentation, but he gosh, he sure does deliver in 477 00:23:53.880 --> 00:23:56.400 the ring, and and it makes it all, you know, 478 00:23:57.000 --> 00:23:59.079 it makes it easy to forget his weaknesses. 479 00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:02.720 Yeah. Mark Bisquetti says they need to get the title 480 00:24:02.720 --> 00:24:04.480 away from Roman in this BS diviewed as a new 481 00:24:04.519 --> 00:24:07.039 Randy Orton and John Cena. I thought it was actually 482 00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:09.200 kind of interesting that Tibody put it on the screen. 483 00:24:09.240 --> 00:24:11.279 This is our first singles match since twenty twenty two, 484 00:24:11.920 --> 00:24:15.519 and it felt kind of defensive, like, oh, y'all are 485 00:24:15.519 --> 00:24:17.599 sick of this match. You say that it's stale, it's 486 00:24:17.640 --> 00:24:19.640 the Cino Orton. I'm sure they're hearing that kind of thing. 487 00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:21.640 I think they put that graphic up on the screen. 488 00:24:21.640 --> 00:24:23.519 They're like, it's not you haven't seen this match in 489 00:24:23.559 --> 00:24:26.720 like four years, give or take a few months, and 490 00:24:26.759 --> 00:24:28.960 then they actually I think they brought that up afterwards too, 491 00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:36.640 So that struck me as defensive. Doesn't matter, Yeah. 492 00:24:36.480 --> 00:24:38.880 Yeah, and it ignores the triple threat they had at 493 00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:40.960 Wrestled Media a year and a half ago, which was 494 00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:44.079 pretty similar, treading a lot of the same ground. 495 00:24:44.279 --> 00:24:47.799 But I think you're right, yep, Drell says, and we'll 496 00:24:47.799 --> 00:24:49.200 talk to him in a moment. The Seth promo was 497 00:24:49.240 --> 00:24:52.319 a mess, bringing up him being smarter, but that's not true. 498 00:24:52.559 --> 00:24:55.319 That's why you keep getting yourself hurt. I mean, Roman 499 00:24:55.359 --> 00:24:57.039 could have come back and said that Seth smartest guy 500 00:24:57.079 --> 00:24:58.680 in the room. Doesn't do moves that that blow out 501 00:24:58.720 --> 00:25:05.240 his knee every other month. Yeah, let's see. Jac Scooby says, 502 00:25:05.240 --> 00:25:07.440 want to make Seth Roman match even worse, make egomaniac 503 00:25:07.480 --> 00:25:09.880 Scena the referee. 504 00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:12.079 No thanks? 505 00:25:12.640 --> 00:25:17.240 Yeah, all right then. Mark Busquetti says Roman is a heel. 506 00:25:17.279 --> 00:25:19.079 I have no ideaf the writers or bookers understand basic 507 00:25:19.160 --> 00:25:21.119 human psychology. If he's the good guy, he's the good 508 00:25:21.160 --> 00:25:22.880 guy everyone wants to punch in the face, and Seth 509 00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:24.039 when he's just grating. 510 00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:29.039 Yeah, they both, I think are less likable coming out 511 00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:31.920 of this few no matter what happens. I mean, yep, 512 00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:36.240 they can be pretty awful. So yeah, I have a 513 00:25:36.240 --> 00:25:39.680 hard time imagining them both going forward as faces or 514 00:25:39.799 --> 00:25:40.680 or even either one. 515 00:25:41.640 --> 00:25:45.240 Yeah, I mean the old and it's not a defense, 516 00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:48.279 but the sort of consolation will be coming out of 517 00:25:48.279 --> 00:25:50.880 SummerSlam if all, if this whole mess is leading somewhere 518 00:25:50.880 --> 00:25:52.440 where they had to take this path to get where 519 00:25:52.440 --> 00:25:55.279 they're going. Yeah, like, okay, I mean at least we're 520 00:25:55.319 --> 00:25:56.680 landing in a good spot, but I don't know what 521 00:25:56.680 --> 00:25:59.160 that spot is. I'm just open to the possibility that'll 522 00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:03.799 mitigate somewhat the mishmash we're seeing here because they sort 523 00:26:03.799 --> 00:26:06.240 of had something they want to do in September and October, 524 00:26:06.839 --> 00:26:08.680 but they and they booked backwards from there, and they 525 00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:10.960 couldn't book backwards in a way that would make sense. 526 00:26:11.160 --> 00:26:11.400 Yeah. 527 00:26:11.480 --> 00:26:14.279 So, and my hope is knowing nothing, and my hope 528 00:26:14.319 --> 00:26:18.240 is that is that that that is the bloodline revealing 529 00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:21.559 their true colors and turning heel. That would that would 530 00:26:21.559 --> 00:26:23.279 make up for some of this in my mind? 531 00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:27.200 Ay stuff. Do you ever watch a WWE and think 532 00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:28.160 it used to be better? 533 00:26:28.359 --> 00:26:30.279 I don't know, josh Sometimes I think it used to 534 00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:31.200 be a whole lot worse. 535 00:26:31.480 --> 00:26:33.200 I mean, whether it's WrestleMania main. 536 00:26:33.079 --> 00:26:37.160 Events, old dudes at the top, too many titles. 537 00:26:36.880 --> 00:26:37.839 Or women's wrestling. 538 00:26:38.039 --> 00:26:40.839 We're here to answer the big question, is it worse 539 00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:41.599 or better? 540 00:26:41.720 --> 00:26:42.000 Now? 541 00:26:42.400 --> 00:26:44.039 Join me Joshua. 542 00:26:43.640 --> 00:26:46.160 White and me Stephanie Cheese. 543 00:26:45.759 --> 00:26:48.680 For Worse or Better part of the PW Torch Daily 544 00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:50.640 Catline I'm dropping on Monday nights. 545 00:26:50.920 --> 00:26:53.920 Such PW Torch in your podcast apps such as Apple 546 00:26:53.960 --> 00:26:57.440 Podcasts or Spotify. To subscribe for free or get a 547 00:26:57.440 --> 00:27:01.279 commercial free version with the PW Torch V membership, check 548 00:27:01.319 --> 00:27:04.759 out PW George dot com, slash Go VIP for details 549 00:27:04.759 --> 00:27:06.000 and going vip. 550 00:27:06.079 --> 00:27:09.240 Worse or better. Finally something for wrestling fans to do 551 00:27:09.359 --> 00:27:10.279 on Monday nights. 552 00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:14.319 I hope they learn a lesson from this when it 553 00:27:14.319 --> 00:27:17.759 comes to how to book Roman and Oba. I think 554 00:27:17.839 --> 00:27:21.400 Romanoba feels like a fresher dream match of two baby 555 00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:23.960 faces against each other, two big stars, rising star against 556 00:27:23.960 --> 00:27:26.279 the legacy established star, and I think you can sell 557 00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:28.240 tickets for that and make it seem special for Usimati. 558 00:27:28.279 --> 00:27:31.960 I'm not denying that, but I think a clearcut baby 559 00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:36.000 face Oba against Roman leaning into being a heel gives 560 00:27:36.039 --> 00:27:38.000 you more to work with and is a break from 561 00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:40.880 what w has been presenting over and over on these 562 00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:43.799 big shows, which is either two baby faces against each 563 00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:45.480 other tearing each other apart, and the fans don't really 564 00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:50.079 want to choose, or babyface against who's been damaged by 565 00:27:50.079 --> 00:27:55.839 the storyline, who's against the heel, who's actually popular you know, yeah, yeah, 566 00:27:55.960 --> 00:27:58.400 and heck. I mean a lot of Cody's opponents were heels, 567 00:27:58.440 --> 00:27:59.920 but the fans liked them, and they didn't do an 568 00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:02.279 to get fans not to like them, kind of playing 569 00:28:02.319 --> 00:28:04.720 into the idea that Cody is fragile. Going back five 570 00:28:04.759 --> 00:28:07.680 years to win, fans started booing them against Malachi Black, 571 00:28:07.720 --> 00:28:12.000 Alistair Black and a w Vinnie says, they'll tell us 572 00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:15.319 it's nuanced storytelling, but we want clear faces and heels. 573 00:28:16.079 --> 00:28:18.640 Mark Pisqutti says, Yeah, this isn't flailing. It's a total 574 00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:25.640 lack of basic fundamental storyline or storytelling. Excuse me, yep, indeed, yeah, I. 575 00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:28.240 Think if they're not even if they're aside from the 576 00:28:28.240 --> 00:28:30.839 face heel thing, like a lot of it's hard to 577 00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:34.000 say who stands for what right If you have like 578 00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:37.759 someone who really embodies an idea, you can have like 579 00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:40.200 you know, two where it's kind of conflicted, but it's 580 00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:42.640 easier to choose size. But so many of these wrestlers, 581 00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:45.680 it's hard to know what they're even fighting for, you know, 582 00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:48.599 what it is they're really standing for. In all this, 583 00:28:49.039 --> 00:28:50.599 it just seems like flailing. 584 00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:54.920 Like you said, Seth, what played a traditional old school 585 00:28:55.039 --> 00:28:57.759 heel and center It's main event in their little celebrity fest, 586 00:28:58.119 --> 00:29:00.000 which I wasn't against a celebrity fest, but I'm again 587 00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:03.240 having Seth act so healish in every way, and then 588 00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:05.519 we're just supposed to compartmentalize that as well. That was 589 00:29:05.519 --> 00:29:07.119 for the New York audience and it was sort of 590 00:29:07.400 --> 00:29:09.279 after the show, and it doesn't really counts. We're not 591 00:29:09.279 --> 00:29:12.160 going to talk about what he did and how we 592 00:29:12.279 --> 00:29:15.640 acted as a way that defines him in row Cannon 593 00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:18.240 or SummerSlam Cannon. And I don't like the selective stuff 594 00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:20.799 where you know, we're just gonna ignore it because that 595 00:29:20.839 --> 00:29:21.799 was just what we had to do to get a 596 00:29:21.799 --> 00:29:25.319 pop at MSG. And to me, like, you know, is Seth. 597 00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:28.000 I think he wanted to go there, and maybe he's 598 00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:29.519 not capable of going there, or maybe he made a 599 00:29:29.559 --> 00:29:31.640 strategic's decision not to go there. But I'd like Seth 600 00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:35.000 to be vulnerable and say, you know, I have your number, 601 00:29:35.920 --> 00:29:37.720 you know, and and this happened, and that happened, and 602 00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:40.279 people look in the history books. But the fact is 603 00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:42.359 is you've had longer title reigns. My title rains have 604 00:29:42.440 --> 00:29:45.720 been cut short when I've over extented myself, when I've 605 00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:49.720 gotten hurt. And there's no question you have been given 606 00:29:50.359 --> 00:29:52.359 and people can read it as what they want, but 607 00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:54.960 you've been The timing of your title matches when you 608 00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:58.680 main event shows me that management thinks you're a bigger 609 00:29:58.759 --> 00:30:01.440 draw on a poster an ontographic online than I am, 610 00:30:01.880 --> 00:30:04.480 and so when they work out who gets what matches 611 00:30:04.519 --> 00:30:06.400 when That's why I got to run in with money 612 00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:08.359 at the bank cash is because you're always the chosen 613 00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:11.640 one and I need to prove one on one. And 614 00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:14.079 what I want, what I like that to say is Roman, 615 00:30:14.079 --> 00:30:16.079 I don't think you're gonna have your bloodline interfere. I 616 00:30:16.079 --> 00:30:18.039 think I think you would rather lose to me clean 617 00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:20.920 than win with cheating, win with your family, because that 618 00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:23.799 is a dark cloud. You won't admit it, and you're great, 619 00:30:24.079 --> 00:30:26.839 but you won't admit that's a dark cloud over everything 620 00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:29.640 you've accomplished, is that you won with your family helping you. 621 00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:32.240 And I don't think you'll do that at Summer Slams. 622 00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:34.359 So we get to finally find out who the best is. Well, 623 00:30:34.359 --> 00:30:37.119 we're still in our crimes and we're still both great, 624 00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:40.640 Like there's a way to build them up, but also 625 00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:44.000 draw attention to a fact that fans know, but that 626 00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:46.920 would be kind of kind of talks on the perimeter. 627 00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:49.319 You know a little bit about it, go all in 628 00:30:49.359 --> 00:30:52.039 with it, but turn it into a positive, which is Roman, 629 00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:53.440 you didn't have to cheat to win all those times. 630 00:30:53.480 --> 00:30:55.400 I don't think you did, but we don't know. We're 631 00:30:55.400 --> 00:30:58.519 gonna find out Sunday. We're gonna find out this Sunday. 632 00:30:58.680 --> 00:31:01.279 Who's better? Were you always better than me? Or it 633 00:31:01.319 --> 00:31:03.400 was always better than you? We're going to clear away everything. 634 00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:06.400 We're both in different places in our career. And I 635 00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:08.200 don't have and you can listen to the people he's 636 00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:10.039 had hanging out with him over the years. You don't 637 00:31:10.079 --> 00:31:12.680 have your family. It's just two top stars of our era. 638 00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:13.759 When people look back. 639 00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:15.359 Fifteen years from now, they're going to say it was 640 00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:18.000 a Seth Roman era and this match will define who 641 00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:21.960 the better wrestler was. I mean, I just it rights itself. 642 00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:25.599 But I don't think they want to go. They don't 643 00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:29.359 want to lean in on diminishing Roman's long title reign, 644 00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:33.319 and Seth is so hung up on, you know whatever 645 00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:36.599 the micro audience of social media, people who speak out 646 00:31:36.599 --> 00:31:38.599 are going to say about what he says instead of 647 00:31:38.680 --> 00:31:40.519 just going what would I say if it was nineteen 648 00:31:40.519 --> 00:31:43.000 seventy eight, I'm trying to sell ten thousand tickets at 649 00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:45.799 the Philadelphia Spectrum, you know, like go back to what 650 00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:50.440 wrestlers did to actually sell tickets When that promo led 651 00:31:50.480 --> 00:31:52.920 to people buying tickets the next night to go to 652 00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:58.000 the arena, get back to those fundamentals, agreed. 653 00:31:58.200 --> 00:32:00.440 I think if they had incorporated a lot of what 654 00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:02.920 you said, would be in a much better place now I. 655 00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:06.000 Have the material to work with. Derek Hoverard, co host 656 00:32:06.039 --> 00:32:08.240 on the show. PW Torch contributor says, I like the 657 00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:11.319 final angle tonight. Both guys presented their perspective and made 658 00:32:11.319 --> 00:32:13.920 the importance of winning front and center. Also, the physical 659 00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:16.119 angle with the shield callback was on point, and those 660 00:32:16.119 --> 00:32:19.000 are the strengths of the promo. They did present their 661 00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:21.119 perspective and made the importance of winning front and center. 662 00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:24.279 I think they got thirty seven percent of the way, 663 00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:26.440 you know, like you know, thirty seven or forty two 664 00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:28.359 percent to where they could have gone, Derek, And that's 665 00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:32.480 where my critique. I'm not trashing tonight's promo. I'm saying 666 00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:34.880 it's a shame that they left so much on the 667 00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:37.640 table that I think would have people looking at this 668 00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:42.599 not resenting it or ambivalent about it, or kind of 669 00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:44.279 plugging their nose going all the match would be good, 670 00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:45.599 but I don't really care who wins or I don't 671 00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:47.640 care about the I think there was material here to 672 00:32:47.680 --> 00:32:50.640 work with that they for whatever reason, did not do. 673 00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:55.519 And I just want to add that again, you know 674 00:32:55.559 --> 00:32:58.079 the lag that I think they were both you know, 675 00:32:58.759 --> 00:33:00.920 as far as like the the face, heels and am 676 00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:04.559 they were both pretty. They've both been pretty ugly, and 677 00:33:04.640 --> 00:33:10.440 so I think even more so than the WrestleMania build 678 00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:14.000 with with Punk and Rome and I so so I 679 00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:16.880 think that hurts it as well. I mean, I much 680 00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:20.400 prefer you know, Hunk versus Cody, where they both for 681 00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:24.240 the most part, are seemed like they're conducting themselves admirably. 682 00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:27.480 So I kind of part of me would be happy 683 00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:29.880 to either see either one win. I'm not sure I 684 00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:33.079 want to see either Seth or Yeah. 685 00:33:33.160 --> 00:33:36.440 And if sasy asshole, I mean, Roman's the prick. I 686 00:33:36.440 --> 00:33:38.279 mean he's the guy just kind of a loof dick 687 00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:41.039 to people. He's gotten since I harped on it, by 688 00:33:41.039 --> 00:33:43.000 the way, he's spent nicer to the guy who adds 689 00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:44.319 them the belt right at the building. 690 00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:48.480 Have you noticed that tonight he actually acknowledged him. He 691 00:33:48.599 --> 00:33:50.119 nodded as yes, and. 692 00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:51.519 He did that like I'd say three out of the 693 00:33:51.559 --> 00:33:54.640 last four times, and since like six weeks ago. I said, 694 00:33:54.839 --> 00:33:56.359 like if a waiter comes to your table and you 695 00:33:56.400 --> 00:33:59.680 have an intense conversation to restaurant and they top your 696 00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:01.359 water off. All you gotta do is just go thanks, 697 00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:02.519 you know, just a little no, you don't. You have 698 00:34:02.559 --> 00:34:04.759 to skip a beat in your conversation. And Roman's doing 699 00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:07.440 that now and it makes them like less of a 700 00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:11.000 dick than any event. So I'm happy to see that. 701 00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:13.960 Vinnie says W went out of their way to make 702 00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:16.079 sure Roman versus Seth was the night two main event 703 00:34:16.119 --> 00:34:18.840 with their video packages, and he adds, the petty side 704 00:34:18.840 --> 00:34:20.679 of me thinks there's no way Triple H would ever 705 00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:24.920 put two former aw guys in Punkin Cody over WW 706 00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:28.480 lifers in Roman and Seth. You know what, I get 707 00:34:28.519 --> 00:34:30.199 why Vinnie says it. But Paul, I think you do 708 00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:34.159 anything to make himself look good by selling more tickets. Agreed, 709 00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:35.920 Although I don't know what I don't know that the 710 00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:37.840 night the headline matters for ticket sales right now that 711 00:34:37.960 --> 00:34:39.960 I mean, it's crazy how similar the ticket sales are 712 00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:40.559 for both nights. 713 00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:43.800 Yeah, and Raw is the bigger show. I mean, more 714 00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:48.039 people watch Raw and so it just it is the 715 00:34:48.119 --> 00:34:49.360 number one championship. 716 00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:53.679 Yep, yep, Adam Kids says I've said it before, is 717 00:34:53.719 --> 00:34:55.960 creatively bankrupt at the moment, or like a slugger that's 718 00:34:56.000 --> 00:34:59.280 in a slump. I mean that's a broad comment, not 719 00:34:59.320 --> 00:35:01.800 just on seth Roman. I don't disagree. I think I 720 00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:05.519 think this is they rode a wave. You know, they 721 00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:07.360 got high in their own supply a little bit. They're 722 00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:09.760 running the same stars back, They're running a formula that 723 00:35:09.800 --> 00:35:12.559 they don't that sort of worked in ways in the 724 00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:15.280 past where I don't think they extracted the reasons it 725 00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:19.000 worked and are able to reproduce them. And so we're 726 00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:23.000 seeing a sloppy re execution that is evidence that they 727 00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:27.559 didn't understand why what worked before worked and so yeah, 728 00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:32.320 but at least the undercard's pretty good. Yeah, yep. Another 729 00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:35.320 comment from standardiation here on a seth Roman doesn't need 730 00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:38.039 to emphasize the title in my opinion, interesting as Cody 731 00:35:38.079 --> 00:35:40.360 Punk already has their title front center, you can't emphasize 732 00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:44.159 both titles at once. He adds one a grudge match 733 00:35:44.159 --> 00:35:46.159 with a title downplayed. The other is a title match 734 00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:49.119 with a personal issues downplayed. You know, I will say, 735 00:35:49.239 --> 00:35:51.639 I mean I don't, First of I don't prescribe to that. 736 00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:53.400 I think you have two world titles. You have two nights, 737 00:35:53.480 --> 00:35:55.159 two different nights, in a stadium in front of thirty 738 00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:57.800 plus thousand people. I think you can push both titles. 739 00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:00.239 If you're gonna have two titles, you gotta push both 740 00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:01.480 of them. Is a big deal on one of your 741 00:36:01.480 --> 00:36:05.599 biggest shows of the year. That said, my suggestion for 742 00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:08.280 how Seth Roman could have met more Paul has been 743 00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:10.320 everything I said could have been done if it was 744 00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:11.000 a non title match. 745 00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:12.199 Mm hmm. 746 00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:14.199 I need to prove on better than you. We've gotten 747 00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:15.599 rid of all the riff raff. I don't have riff 748 00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:17.480 raff in my corner anymore. You don't have the riff 749 00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:19.239 raff in your corner. I think you're gonna be I 750 00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:21.519 think you're gonna again at that line. I think you'd 751 00:36:21.559 --> 00:36:24.480 rather lose to me clean than because of interference. And 752 00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:27.119 let people kind of know, Okay, one of two things 753 00:36:27.159 --> 00:36:29.079 are gonna happen. Somebody's gonna win clean and it's gonna 754 00:36:29.079 --> 00:36:32.719 be historically significant for this rivalry, or somebody's gonna interfere 755 00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:35.960 and it's gonna be a heel turn in essence, because 756 00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:39.159 Seth would basically dare Roman not do it. So if 757 00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:42.800 Seth did it, he'll turn yeah, total hypocrite if Roman 758 00:36:42.840 --> 00:36:44.360 does it. Seth already called Hm out ahead of time. 759 00:36:44.440 --> 00:36:45.599 So I agree. 760 00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:47.960 The last thing we want to see is just another 761 00:36:48.079 --> 00:36:51.320 distraction finish and the way that you frame it. And 762 00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:53.400 they kind of hinted at that with you know, Roman 763 00:36:53.480 --> 00:36:58.400 saying I need to beat you and so uh a 764 00:36:58.599 --> 00:37:01.880 sort of in response to Seth saying, how oh you 765 00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:05.079 you you got yourself disqualified before, So they kind of 766 00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:08.239 you know, implied that they were going to wrestle a 767 00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:10.920 clean match, and like you said, if someone goes back 768 00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:13.440 on that, well there we have some you know, finally 769 00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:15.760 we have a big story beat. So I like that 770 00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:19.000 because it promises something exciting. However it turns out. 771 00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:22.079 Yeah, mister freshman, big picture just goes. I'm not satisfied 772 00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:23.760 with either world title matches. I'm sick of Punk and 773 00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:25.559 Cody and Seth and Roman being in main events. It's 774 00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:28.280 time to move on. And that might be, you know, 775 00:37:28.360 --> 00:37:31.039 I mean, this might kind of be the end of 776 00:37:31.079 --> 00:37:33.719 an era of that generation of guys now you know, 777 00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:38.039 basically on their forties. Let me think Cody, Punk Roman said, yeah, 778 00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:40.960 there it's Seth for Yeah, SES's forty so but that 779 00:37:41.039 --> 00:37:44.239 generation of of of that that that kind of class. 780 00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:45.880 I think this is the end of them against each other. 781 00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:48.440 Mm hm, you know, and now it is the next 782 00:37:48.760 --> 00:37:51.039 it they might be facing and helping put over and 783 00:37:51.039 --> 00:37:55.360 give a rub to the next generation, like Roman versus Oba. 784 00:37:55.519 --> 00:37:59.360 But and and you know, bron Breaker, you know whoever. 785 00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:01.159 I mean, there's gonna be people on the undercard who 786 00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:04.480 are going to get a boost. And you know, this 787 00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:06.119 might be kind of the end of an era in 788 00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:06.960 that in that sense. 789 00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:10.440 Yeah, or when they face each other in the future, 790 00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:12.280 it'll be a total it won't be they won't be 791 00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:16.920 on top. You know, they'll be rehashing an old rivalry 792 00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:19.760 kind of like a yeah, Undertaker versus Triple Age. 793 00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:21.840 Yeah. 794 00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:22.239 Uh. 795 00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:25.119 Crofton Steers says, Roman and Seth always say they have 796 00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:27.360 to beat each other to quote save the industry. Seth 797 00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:29.239 and Building are so many of forty Roman set It tonight. 798 00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:31.519 I think they drastically overstate their importance. 799 00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:35.639 Paul, Oh my gosh, Yeah, a Roman saying the industry 800 00:38:35.719 --> 00:38:38.760 needs me to beat you, Like, what is he thinking? Like, 801 00:38:38.840 --> 00:38:42.360 I don't. I think that just just shows how self 802 00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:45.719 important he is. And again, you know that that's his 803 00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:48.039 that's what makes him unlikable. 804 00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:53.239 Yeah, yep. Derek Cover says, to summarize the Seth roman angle. 805 00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:55.280 Week one, Seth cut a killer promo. Week two, Seth 806 00:38:55.360 --> 00:38:58.639 killed a momentum. Week three, they course corrected somewhat. Week four, 807 00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:02.119 total confusion, five strong, go home. I think that's I 808 00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:06.480 think that's a fair settlement, Well said, Yeah, yep, He 809 00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:08.840 adds Derek had erase weeks two and four, this would 810 00:39:08.840 --> 00:39:10.760 have been a strong build, would have been strong. But 811 00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:13.599 I still think if if you don't add anything and 812 00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:17.159 you just do that, I still think, Hmmm, they're you know, 813 00:39:17.719 --> 00:39:19.800 they're thirty seven or forty two percent of the way 814 00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:21.239 where they could have gone with some of some of 815 00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:24.679 the stuff. Yeah, I can you know some weigle rooumin. 816 00:39:24.760 --> 00:39:25.760 My percentage is there first. 817 00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:28.159 Although I think it was the bad stuff that hurt 818 00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:30.719 this build more than the lack of good stuff, But 819 00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:32.079 more good stuff would have helped. 820 00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:37.440 Yep. Absolutely, All right, let's shift topics, or at least 821 00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:41.599 shift our conversation to Rude Dog, who is going to 822 00:39:41.679 --> 00:39:47.679 be our first caller of the show. Rude Dog, Welcome, Hello, Hello, 823 00:39:48.079 --> 00:39:50.760 what it's on your mind about Rot tonight? 824 00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:54.880 Well, good talk to eight and Paul. 825 00:39:56.440 --> 00:40:01.519 So I'm going to be shorter than usual because I 826 00:40:01.639 --> 00:40:06.199 decided to play basketball instead of watching most of Ross, 827 00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:09.599 So I kind of only saw the last segment. It 828 00:40:09.639 --> 00:40:11.840 was a really nice day. I have a beautiful park 829 00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:13.800 next to me, so true. 830 00:40:13.960 --> 00:40:17.400 Anyways, Yep, it's on demand on Netflix. That's the good part. 831 00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:19.079 You don't have to watch the line rules away. Yeah, 832 00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:21.679 but so the. 833 00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:25.039 Last segment is the main thing to talk about that 834 00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:28.440 I actually saw. I mean, I was at WrestleMania thirty 835 00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:32.880 one in uh where was wherever the forty nine ers 836 00:40:32.920 --> 00:40:37.239 play San Santa Clara, I believe it, and and I 837 00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:42.440 saw you know, Sep cash in and it was it 838 00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:47.519 was awesome, like it was I was jumping for joy literally, 839 00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:52.280 But we're still doing this right now, Like what the 840 00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:52.679 hell is. 841 00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:55.039 They haven't they haven't wrestled since twenty twenty two? One 842 00:40:55.039 --> 00:40:59.719 on one? Do you allow us know that? It's just 843 00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:03.440 like I know, in a way, I feel like Seth's 844 00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:06.159 been talking about this for so long, like even when 845 00:41:06.199 --> 00:41:07.760 it was not in the plants and find a way 846 00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:10.159 to slip it into a promo that it's sort of like, Okay, 847 00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:13.039 let's just get it done, and I know they they 848 00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:15.480 might have thought Minneapolis is going to be so like 849 00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:18.320 grateful that Debitie brought a big show to the to 850 00:41:18.400 --> 00:41:21.559 the city. Finally, you know, it's been a resuming or 851 00:41:21.559 --> 00:41:25.199 summerslime here since Jesse Ventura was governor and they the 852 00:41:25.519 --> 00:41:28.960 referee bit. So there's been off brand pay per views here, 853 00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:31.599 but it's a major market, state of the art facilities. 854 00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:33.800 But you know, it's been ron SmackDown and be pay 855 00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:35.840 per views. So and then the fans looked at the 856 00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:38.280 lineup and obviously they're you know, they got they got 857 00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:39.920 a bit of a surge in the last couple of 858 00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:42.519 weeks of ticket sales. They moved about you know, seven 859 00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:47.000 thousand tickets. I don't know when tickets distributed is on 860 00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:49.360 a map. That can also mean they gave three thousand 861 00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:51.960 tickets away to local charities and and and scouts like 862 00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:54.039 you know that I don't It doesn't mean they sold them. 863 00:41:54.079 --> 00:41:56.400 It just means they're off the map. That's all wrestle ticks, 864 00:41:56.440 --> 00:41:58.599 tallies's and then they're doing twenty five dollars tickets. So 865 00:41:59.039 --> 00:42:01.039 even if it is by tickets, a lot of them 866 00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:03.360 are you know, likely low priced. So but there was 867 00:42:03.480 --> 00:42:04.920 going to be a surch in the last couple of weeks, 868 00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:07.920 especially as people go, okay, I want to have a 869 00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:10.880 good seat, and the prices are lower because there's so 870 00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:12.679 many available, so they're kind of waiting till the last 871 00:42:12.679 --> 00:42:14.920 second to buy seats. The question is what kind of 872 00:42:14.920 --> 00:42:16.320 surge now do they have in the last five days, 873 00:42:16.360 --> 00:42:17.920 what kind of walk up do they have? But I 874 00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:20.079 think putting Seth and Roman on the card, they felt like, 875 00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:22.800 not let's get Seth off our back, but like, we 876 00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:25.119 kind of should do another match and we don't really 877 00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:27.960 want to do it in twenty twenty seven or twenty 878 00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:31.039 twenty eight. Let's just let's get this shield. Let's catch 879 00:42:31.039 --> 00:42:32.760 in the shielding. Because they didn't have a better option, 880 00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:35.000 it gave them something to do instead of rushing what 881 00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:38.239 they felt would be rushing Oba Roman. I still think 882 00:42:38.239 --> 00:42:39.760 what would have sold more tickets as a baby face 883 00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:41.719 Jacoba two against the heal Roman reigns. But it's easy 884 00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:44.079 to fantasy book without regards to what their plans are 885 00:42:44.320 --> 00:42:46.400 for Roman going forward in the story arc that they 886 00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:49.400 want to tell going into war games. But in Isolation, 887 00:42:50.480 --> 00:42:52.719 I thought Jacob I two had momentum. I think you 888 00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:54.800 could have soft turned Roman where he was kind of 889 00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:56.440 a dick, kind of a heel, but they could have 890 00:42:56.440 --> 00:42:59.480 come together afterwards or not. You know, but I think 891 00:42:59.679 --> 00:43:03.920 Jake a freight train going after Roman would have you 892 00:43:03.960 --> 00:43:06.440 know where it was, you know, when Rick Steinder got 893 00:43:06.440 --> 00:43:09.559 hot in WW circa eighty nine, ninety ninety one, whatever 894 00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:12.840 that year was, and they could have gone with them, 895 00:43:13.079 --> 00:43:15.239 you know, but they also there was a belief well 896 00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:17.199 it's just sort of a fleeting thing and we don't 897 00:43:17.239 --> 00:43:22.679 really want to invest in them. So anyway. iPhone users, 898 00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:24.679 if you're listening to us on the Native podcast app 899 00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:28.559 on your iPhone, you can unlock our commercial free versions 900 00:43:28.639 --> 00:43:32.960 of our free shows. 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I don't know if you did or not. 920 00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:39.679 What do you mean by that? 921 00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:44.639 Like I felt like they knew no one cared about 922 00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:47.880 this match and they were defeated, and they were they 923 00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:50.880 were just kind of going through the motions and let's 924 00:44:50.920 --> 00:44:53.199 not make it too long and kind of make it 925 00:44:53.239 --> 00:44:55.880 seem like we care, but whatever, let's get out of here. 926 00:44:56.440 --> 00:44:59.239 I did sense, and I mean body language is subjective 927 00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:02.679 reading into it for the most part. But when Roman 928 00:45:02.719 --> 00:45:04.320 came out, there's some more TC chance. But when the 929 00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:08.119 music stopped. It wasn't like oh DZ like it was, 930 00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:10.320 oh TC, there's some people doing it, and then it 931 00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:12.719 kind of just petered out. Seth came out. You know, 932 00:45:12.800 --> 00:45:14.519 you get the fools gold chance, you know, to see 933 00:45:14.599 --> 00:45:17.159 Roman Roman reigns. It's just communal chance fans like to do. 934 00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:19.320 Doesn't mean the wrestler's over. They're into them. That's why 935 00:45:19.360 --> 00:45:21.760 I call it, you know, fools gold. It looks like 936 00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:24.480 a wrestler's over. It doesn't mean they're not over, but 937 00:45:24.519 --> 00:45:26.599 it doesn't mean they're as over as the chant is. 938 00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:28.679 It just means this is a chance that's over. He's 939 00:45:28.679 --> 00:45:30.000 a big star, he's been a main events. We paid 940 00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:31.199 see him. Now we're going to do the communal thing 941 00:45:31.239 --> 00:45:34.079 because it makes us feel good and it's fun. To me, 942 00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:36.880 a sign of being invested in a storyline is reacting 943 00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:39.519 to things that are being said, as long as those 944 00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:41.719 things that are being said help you sell tickets and 945 00:45:41.760 --> 00:45:43.320 aren't just oh my god, I can't believe you said it, 946 00:45:43.320 --> 00:45:45.360 even though it's destroyed one or both of the wrestlers 947 00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:48.400 in the process. So I was watching this body language wise, 948 00:45:48.559 --> 00:45:51.159 Rudog apparently like you did, and Roman just kind of 949 00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:53.519 like Roman's kind of looking around, and it crossed my 950 00:45:53.559 --> 00:45:57.519 mind watching it is Roman thinking hmm, I don't know, 951 00:45:57.679 --> 00:46:01.199 seems like my hot runs over. I got I got 952 00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:03.039 forty to fifty million in the bank, whatever it is. 953 00:46:03.079 --> 00:46:04.639 I could be off by a lot, but I have 954 00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:06.400 forty five million in the bank. I got my health, 955 00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:09.960 I've had a super part time schedule. I'm a legend. 956 00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:12.199 I'm going to be a Hall of Famer. I got 957 00:46:12.199 --> 00:46:15.239 more big paydays ahead of me. But this isn't working. 958 00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:17.039 Oh well, I'll just go home to my kids and 959 00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:19.639 you know, live my life in sas out there. And 960 00:46:19.679 --> 00:46:21.440 I think he's looking at the reaction, going yeah, I 961 00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:23.119 kind of took a beating two weeks ago on the internet, 962 00:46:23.239 --> 00:46:25.480 after in social media and all that, after my promo, 963 00:46:25.599 --> 00:46:28.519 and this isn't really working and it's not what I 964 00:46:28.559 --> 00:46:31.920 hoped it would be. So yeah, Rube, dog, what you said. 965 00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:34.159 We're just going to kind of push through this, try 966 00:46:34.159 --> 00:46:35.639 to pretend we care, but we kind of know it's 967 00:46:35.719 --> 00:46:38.559 not red Hot. We're kind of humiliated by ticket sales, 968 00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:41.480 especially if Seth thought this would be a bigger deal 969 00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:43.440 then it's turned out to be. With the fan base, 970 00:46:44.440 --> 00:46:46.800 and there was there was a body language wise, Paul 971 00:46:46.840 --> 00:46:51.000 I thought, there's a little sense of resignation, acknowledgment, acceptance 972 00:46:51.039 --> 00:46:53.320 that we kind of are where we are and it's 973 00:46:53.360 --> 00:46:56.639 not great, it's not awful. Just let's just check some 974 00:46:56.679 --> 00:46:57.920 boxes and go have a match. 975 00:46:59.039 --> 00:47:02.280 Yeah, I think that the the comparison to Randy Orton 976 00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:05.519 and John Cena is apt. We've just seen this so 977 00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:09.639 many times before. They really had an uphill battle, and 978 00:47:10.039 --> 00:47:13.119 they made some big mistakes in the build, so they 979 00:47:13.119 --> 00:47:15.920 weren't weren't in a great spot. I hope they weren't 980 00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:18.800 both having a midlife crisis there in the ring tonight, 981 00:47:18.880 --> 00:47:21.079 but but they certainly couldn't have been pleased with the 982 00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:21.960 response they got. 983 00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:24.440 Yeah, rud Doug, is my assessment of what you said 984 00:47:24.679 --> 00:47:26.559 kind of in line with what you meant, what you're 985 00:47:26.559 --> 00:47:27.039 getting at. 986 00:47:27.159 --> 00:47:30.480 Yeah, yeah, pretty much like I mean, and they're in 987 00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:33.079 Los Angeles. They weren't in the middle of nowhere like 988 00:47:33.159 --> 00:47:36.840 I mean. LA is usually a pretty hot crowd, and 989 00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:40.280 for how dead that crowd was for that segment, I 990 00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:42.280 was like, oh man, this is this is rough. 991 00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:44.920 It wasn't an overly long show, you know, I mean, 992 00:47:44.960 --> 00:47:47.360 it wasn't like they you know, killed the crowd with 993 00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:49.320 I don't know. I mean, I don't there are a 994 00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:50.960 lot of video packages. Maybe they did kill the crowd 995 00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:52.639 because the crowds sitting there watching the video screen most 996 00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:57.239 of the night too. Yeah. By the way, mister Freshman says, 997 00:47:57.239 --> 00:47:58.960 I thought Punk and Cody displayed the same type of 998 00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:04.000 body language on Friday. I think I think there might 999 00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:05.920 be something to do. I think I've sensed it more here, 1000 00:48:05.960 --> 00:48:08.679 but I don't know. I just it kind of feels like, 1001 00:48:09.519 --> 00:48:11.800 I don't know, just like the Golden State Warriors, you know, 1002 00:48:11.880 --> 00:48:15.360 just kind of playing out, playing out their their legendary 1003 00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:17.719 status last couple of years, hoping maybe we kind of 1004 00:48:17.719 --> 00:48:19.400 win a series or two and get lucky. And then 1005 00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:23.039 you know, Jimmy Butler gets hurt, you know whatever, Steph's 1006 00:48:23.079 --> 00:48:25.159 out or not one hundred percent, and that's kind of 1007 00:48:25.159 --> 00:48:26.920 it feels like, Okay, we're legends, but we're not at 1008 00:48:26.920 --> 00:48:29.719 our peak and whatever. And then you just want to 1009 00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:31.840 switch teams and so it's like give us new opponents, 1010 00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:34.280 you know, and I but you had to do you 1011 00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:35.639 you didn't have to, but you kind of had to 1012 00:48:35.639 --> 00:48:37.199 do Cody Punk one on one. You kind of had 1013 00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:38.920 to do Seth Roman one on one one more time. 1014 00:48:39.599 --> 00:48:42.199 I get it. I just don't think the build for 1015 00:48:42.519 --> 00:48:46.159 especially Roman Seth has been consistently good enough, and even 1016 00:48:46.239 --> 00:48:50.599 what was good, it wasn't good enough. Were doun So. 1017 00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:57.239 I just randomly saw today like Seth Rollens is a 1018 00:48:57.280 --> 00:49:00.760 really charismatic guy. You wouldn't be able to tell on TV. 1019 00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:04.519 But like like he was on the Rich Eisen Show 1020 00:49:05.800 --> 00:49:09.639 like cot like he was a replacement host and he 1021 00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:15.159 this was on last Friday, and he interviewed interviewed Becky 1022 00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:18.480 Lynch and it was it was great, Like it was 1023 00:49:18.559 --> 00:49:23.360 just fun and it like nothing was awkward. It was 1024 00:49:23.480 --> 00:49:25.599 just like this guy has it in him and I 1025 00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:29.679 just don't know why it doesn't translate like on the 1026 00:49:29.679 --> 00:49:30.920 big stage in the room. 1027 00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:32.920 Well, he's talking to the love of his life and 1028 00:49:32.920 --> 00:49:35.440 the mother of his children. You know, I mean there's 1029 00:49:35.559 --> 00:49:38.039 you would hope there's chemistry there. There's that It's not guaranteed, 1030 00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:42.840 but you'd hope. Yeah. 1031 00:49:43.559 --> 00:49:50.280 So I had a question, is so obviously, uh, SummerSlam 1032 00:49:50.360 --> 00:49:56.519 is in Minneapolis, are you or any people of the 1033 00:49:56.519 --> 00:49:59.360 The Torch going to be like covering it. 1034 00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:02.079 Live if that is top secret. 1035 00:50:01.880 --> 00:50:05.239 At this point, m stay tuned. 1036 00:50:05.639 --> 00:50:09.280 Yea, there there's some there's some there's some logistics on 1037 00:50:09.440 --> 00:50:11.159 both sides of things that could affecting, some of which 1038 00:50:11.199 --> 00:50:14.960 I don't want to get into. We'll see. Yeah, it 1039 00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:16.440 could be some other fun stuff, though. 1040 00:50:16.679 --> 00:50:21.199 I would brook no delays in my roundtable discussion afterwards. Way, 1041 00:50:21.320 --> 00:50:23.320 so that's right to get that into account. 1042 00:50:24.519 --> 00:50:26.400 I will say this nothing. What's not me from going 1043 00:50:26.519 --> 00:50:28.840 f FLT. This was a historically significant Night one or 1044 00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:32.880 Night two, but you know, we'll see. I mean, I'm 1045 00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:39.400 not yeah, determined, cool, we're talking anything else? 1046 00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:41.599 Right, Well, I told you I was gonna be quick 1047 00:50:41.639 --> 00:50:42.800 because I didn't watch much. 1048 00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:45.480 So that's about it. One last thing. 1049 00:50:45.559 --> 00:50:52.719 I'm wearing my Necro Butcher T shirt and you guys like, uh, 1050 00:50:53.320 --> 00:50:59.719 totally justifiably destroyed. How terrible Dark Side of the Rings 1051 00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:03.760 t a like three program Jeff Garrett thing was. 1052 00:51:04.320 --> 00:51:06.039 It was absolutely. 1053 00:51:05.440 --> 00:51:11.480 Horrible, but they they kicked back, they kicked out, and 1054 00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:18.639 their next episode, simojo Versus Necro Butcher is awesome. So 1055 00:51:19.960 --> 00:51:24.320 you know, everyone has some bad times, but don't don't 1056 00:51:24.360 --> 00:51:25.639 count out death Side of the Ring. 1057 00:51:26.519 --> 00:51:27.960 I will say this, there ought to be a Dark 1058 00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:31.440 Side of the Ring next season. Covering their own documentary 1059 00:51:31.440 --> 00:51:36.280 on TNA. That's how scheduled they should do. They should 1060 00:51:36.280 --> 00:51:37.559 do a they should do a dark side of the 1061 00:51:37.639 --> 00:51:39.719 Ring on the dark side of a documentary team that's 1062 00:51:39.760 --> 00:51:41.679 done a good job with a good series, and they 1063 00:51:41.719 --> 00:51:45.400 got bamboozled and conned into missing the actual story of 1064 00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:48.559 TNA history in a three parter by listening to the 1065 00:51:48.599 --> 00:51:51.840 wrong people work them and then snicker behind their back 1066 00:51:51.880 --> 00:51:55.599 about how they worked them. 1067 00:51:53.280 --> 00:52:02.039 M I agree. But oh, one last thing. 1068 00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:06.159 I will be going to Dynamite on Wednesday at the 1069 00:52:06.280 --> 00:52:10.639 Masonic Temple Theater, which is one hundred year old theater 1070 00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:15.920 in Detroit downtown, and I think a bunch of people 1071 00:52:15.960 --> 00:52:18.039 that work for the Torch or friends of the Torch 1072 00:52:18.119 --> 00:52:22.000 are going to be there. But I'm excited, so I 1073 00:52:22.039 --> 00:52:24.079 will put in some two cents somewhere. 1074 00:52:24.079 --> 00:52:25.840 We're gonna call so we can. We'll hear from you 1075 00:52:25.880 --> 00:52:31.440 in two days probably, yes, okay, okay, good? I like that. 1076 00:52:31.719 --> 00:52:36.440 I thank for duc, appreciate it all right, Darrell, are 1077 00:52:36.480 --> 00:52:38.159 you ready for us? Should we get your calling down 1078 00:52:38.320 --> 00:52:40.639 or do you want I don't see his camera come on, 1079 00:52:40.679 --> 00:52:42.280 and he doesn't way about us? You ready for us? 1080 00:52:42.280 --> 00:52:48.519 Sums up? Yep, he's getting set. So let's uh, we 1081 00:52:48.639 --> 00:52:49.960 still got more to talk about. I want to talk 1082 00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:52.199 about Opra Brock. I want to talk about Zimruka and 1083 00:52:52.239 --> 00:52:54.800 whatever that was, and some thoughts on her. We got 1084 00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:57.639 the Dan Housen Joe Henry concert, but maybe the world's 1085 00:52:57.639 --> 00:52:58.840 going to cover some of that with us. So let's 1086 00:52:58.840 --> 00:53:01.639 bring our regular color Dwell into the conversation. Drell, welcome, 1087 00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:03.239 good to see you. Go to hear from you. What's 1088 00:53:03.239 --> 00:53:13.920 on your mind about rot tonight? We can't hear you, Darrell, 1089 00:53:14.320 --> 00:53:16.039 but we see you very up close. 1090 00:53:17.079 --> 00:53:18.119 Oh, I had a mute on. 1091 00:53:18.440 --> 00:53:19.360 I had mute on. 1092 00:53:20.559 --> 00:53:21.840 Can you ad just the camera a little bit so 1093 00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:24.800 we're not looking at the but we're seeing her. Yere 1094 00:53:24.920 --> 00:53:25.760 perfect sweet? 1095 00:53:26.320 --> 00:53:26.639 All right? 1096 00:53:26.679 --> 00:53:27.960 So yeah, I talked to us. 1097 00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:32.119 Yes, sir, yes, sir, y'all already started with the main event. 1098 00:53:32.159 --> 00:53:35.719 I ain't gonna go too much now, so I would 1099 00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:40.039 like to start with the wrestling main event, which was 1100 00:53:40.039 --> 00:53:40.719 Soul Ruker. 1101 00:53:44.599 --> 00:53:46.000 You call it a wrestling match, I don't know if 1102 00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:46.599 it qualifies. 1103 00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:49.679 It's a I don't know. 1104 00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:53.800 You know, when Saul Ruker first came on, I kind 1105 00:53:53.800 --> 00:53:56.480 of said like she was more of a she got 1106 00:53:56.519 --> 00:54:00.559 over on a big move which was so snatching than 1107 00:54:00.639 --> 00:54:05.719 her character, and tonight even more was just the definition 1108 00:54:05.800 --> 00:54:11.199 of showing like, don't be trying to be a person 1109 00:54:11.280 --> 00:54:13.519 who wanted to do all the hot spots and moves. 1110 00:54:13.719 --> 00:54:17.039 Put some type of thout in process in it. If 1111 00:54:17.039 --> 00:54:19.519 you got over on the character, you can make it 1112 00:54:19.760 --> 00:54:22.559 fit your character, those hot spots and stuff like that. 1113 00:54:23.039 --> 00:54:25.199 And I think since she been on the main roster, 1114 00:54:25.719 --> 00:54:29.760 she really been in her head. And I was watching 1115 00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:33.079 Unreal and you heard somebody on there say, man, we 1116 00:54:33.159 --> 00:54:34.880 got to start bringing these people on here, and we 1117 00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:38.400 know they're not gonna be ready and just let them swim. 1118 00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:43.000 And she was a person who probably wasn't ready, probably 1119 00:54:43.039 --> 00:54:47.719 because in NXT they never let her decide on what 1120 00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:50.360 she was. She was the definition of what they do 1121 00:54:50.880 --> 00:54:54.719 in these bookings. She was just in between. Sometimes they'll 1122 00:54:54.719 --> 00:54:56.519 have an act like a heel, or sometime they have 1123 00:54:56.559 --> 00:54:58.920 an act like a face. So she never settled and 1124 00:54:58.960 --> 00:55:01.679 she just got off on hitting the soul snatcher, where 1125 00:55:01.719 --> 00:55:05.159 she hit pretty regularly down there, because I guess they practiced. 1126 00:55:04.840 --> 00:55:05.840 Their moves all the time. 1127 00:55:05.920 --> 00:55:09.400 Man, Man, I don't know if they can just get 1128 00:55:09.480 --> 00:55:11.400 tied on first, so she can get out of her head. 1129 00:55:11.559 --> 00:55:14.559 But tonight was the definition of that. Now I can't 1130 00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:16.880 even say if it was ra Quell it had. It 1131 00:55:16.920 --> 00:55:19.400 looked like it was all her. What do you guys think? 1132 00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:21.519 That was a terrible match, One of the worst TV 1133 00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:25.960 matches I've seen in a long time. Soul doesn't belong 1134 00:55:26.000 --> 00:55:28.840 on national TV right now wrestling if whatever the reason is, 1135 00:55:28.840 --> 00:55:32.199 if she's in her head or not, she is the 1136 00:55:32.320 --> 00:55:35.559 kind of the equivalent of a basketball player who's just 1137 00:55:35.679 --> 00:55:39.159 slamm dunk, played dunks, but can't play defense, can't dribble, 1138 00:55:39.400 --> 00:55:43.000 can't shoot mid range, can't shoot three point, doesn't run 1139 00:55:43.039 --> 00:55:45.440 back on defense hard Like I'm not I don't mean 1140 00:55:45.480 --> 00:55:47.840 to say it's like an everorthing, but like her style 1141 00:55:47.960 --> 00:55:50.719 is just looking to slam dunk and everything in between 1142 00:55:50.800 --> 00:55:53.800 is bad, and then sadly she's bought. Sometimes she's hitting 1143 00:55:53.840 --> 00:55:56.280 the rim and the ball's bouncing into the crowd on 1144 00:55:56.360 --> 00:56:00.400 her slam dunk attempts, and it's just she's been hot, 1145 00:56:01.199 --> 00:56:03.880 she's been taught wrong, or she's not unnatural at anything 1146 00:56:03.880 --> 00:56:08.320 other than athletic spots. But she is a kind of 1147 00:56:08.440 --> 00:56:12.440 farcical video game wrestler right now. With fancy spots that 1148 00:56:12.679 --> 00:56:14.440 she doesn't even do all that well despite being a 1149 00:56:14.440 --> 00:56:17.519 great athlete, and she just I mean, she needs three 1150 00:56:17.559 --> 00:56:19.760 more years of reps in front of crowds off camera 1151 00:56:19.960 --> 00:56:22.079 to be suitable to be on TV. I mean, is 1152 00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:24.800 that overstating it? I don't know, it might not be. 1153 00:56:24.920 --> 00:56:30.559 I mean, historically that's that's what would be happening. It's 1154 00:56:30.679 --> 00:56:32.719 unfair to put her on live TV without a net 1155 00:56:32.800 --> 00:56:34.400 right now. I mean, it's it's again, it's not her. 1156 00:56:35.159 --> 00:56:37.719 It's it's it's I'm not saying it's her fault. I'm not. 1157 00:56:38.119 --> 00:56:40.760 I'm not exonerating her either. Maybe it is maybe she 1158 00:56:40.760 --> 00:56:43.239 has a bad attitude or or doesn't practice, or doesn't 1159 00:56:43.280 --> 00:56:47.519 listen or whatever, but maybe not. Maybe it's just unfair 1160 00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:49.039 to take somebody as green as she is and put 1161 00:56:49.039 --> 00:56:52.039 her on TV because she's flashy with some of her offense. Paul, 1162 00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:52.960 what what stood out to you? 1163 00:56:53.719 --> 00:56:56.679 Yeah? I agree with you both. I mean, she certainly 1164 00:56:56.760 --> 00:56:59.880 did not look good her. She slipped off the d 1165 00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:03.480 she keeps botching, but she was not like this in NXT. 1166 00:57:03.679 --> 00:57:06.559 So I think Durell is right. Something is just not 1167 00:57:07.039 --> 00:57:10.119 clicking on the main roster. I mean, she looked so 1168 00:57:10.280 --> 00:57:15.800 much better in NXT. But yeah, it's a it's a shame, 1169 00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:19.039 but but it's it's not working. I'm really glad that 1170 00:57:19.119 --> 00:57:23.480 they made the change and moved the title to Raquel, 1171 00:57:24.079 --> 00:57:27.159 who is no longer the Ultimate Bridesmaids In terms of 1172 00:57:27.199 --> 00:57:31.000 singles titles. Yeah, so ninth time is a charm I 1173 00:57:31.039 --> 00:57:33.559 think for for singles titles challenges. 1174 00:57:35.280 --> 00:57:37.039 Admit it, you love Nick bar Batty when he co 1175 00:57:37.119 --> 00:57:39.000 hosts with me on the Wade Keller Post shows. Well, 1176 00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:40.840 now you can listen to him every week on The 1177 00:57:40.920 --> 00:57:44.000 Nickis Club, a v IP exclusive podcast. Here's Nick to 1178 00:57:44.039 --> 00:57:44.679 tell you more. 1179 00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:47.159 Hey, wrestling fans, It's Nick Barbatty and I'm back with 1180 00:57:47.199 --> 00:57:49.360 the Nickys Club, the place where the family of Nickys 1181 00:57:49.400 --> 00:57:52.159 comes together for big laughs and Shark takes on WWE 1182 00:57:52.320 --> 00:57:55.320 for WrestleMania rumors to surprise returns. 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Huh Yeah, how about it? 1194 00:58:27.920 --> 00:58:30.400 Jac Scooby says, Soil Rookie needs to wrestle instead of 1195 00:58:30.639 --> 00:58:34.719 just doing spots and doing a spot fest. Yeah. Yes. 1196 00:58:36.039 --> 00:58:38.159 Someone named Durell says I figured they would take the 1197 00:58:38.159 --> 00:58:40.159 title off Soul so because she's in her head too much. 1198 00:58:41.039 --> 00:58:44.039 Sadler Version three says, yeah, Soul has too much Sammy 1199 00:58:44.119 --> 00:58:49.400 Varner style right now. She needs to clean up the offense. Yeah, 1200 00:58:49.519 --> 00:58:52.239 I mean she is getting worse. So it could be 1201 00:58:52.320 --> 00:58:55.079 she's in her head. It could be I mean really, 1202 00:58:55.119 --> 00:58:56.760 I mean, it would just be wild speculation. Could be 1203 00:58:56.760 --> 00:58:58.119 a lot of different things going on. There could be 1204 00:58:58.119 --> 00:59:00.199 stuff going on in personal life. She could be having 1205 00:59:00.239 --> 00:59:02.480 an injury, there could be who knows you. I would 1206 00:59:02.480 --> 00:59:05.920 just be you know, silly to just speculate too specifically. 1207 00:59:08.119 --> 00:59:12.239 Vinnie says she's leader without the execution. Vinnie says she 1208 00:59:12.280 --> 00:59:14.360 should go back to n X t uh and a 1209 00:59:14.360 --> 00:59:18.639 good thing. They took the title off her face says 1210 00:59:18.639 --> 00:59:20.280 about time or Kel one singles goal that I really 1211 00:59:20.280 --> 00:59:24.280 hope she can start winning clean, and some of them says, yeah, 1212 00:59:24.280 --> 00:59:29.880 they snatched that title off her pretty quick there. Mister 1213 00:59:29.880 --> 00:59:31.639 freshman says, so it's been rough lately. So I was 1214 00:59:31.639 --> 00:59:33.119 on board with the losing to the title, But did 1215 00:59:33.199 --> 00:59:35.800 Raquel need all that help? What do you think about that? 1216 00:59:35.880 --> 00:59:38.599 Let's set aside poor soul in all the botch. I'm 1217 00:59:38.599 --> 00:59:41.880 sure she feels terrible about it, and you know, but 1218 00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:43.679 you know you're a national TV or in money, we're 1219 00:59:43.679 --> 00:59:45.960 gonna point it out. You know, you're there to serve 1220 00:59:46.000 --> 00:59:48.440 the fans and we're not here to protect your You 1221 00:59:48.519 --> 00:59:50.400 know your feelings. If you're on national TV, you're getting 1222 00:59:50.400 --> 00:59:52.559 paid at your profession should be good and people are 1223 00:59:52.559 --> 00:59:54.679 gonna call you out if it's botched. But it's not personal. 1224 00:59:54.719 --> 00:59:56.840 I mean, we hope the best for her and let her. 1225 00:59:57.199 --> 00:59:59.039 Let her what if if something's in her head, go 1226 00:59:59.079 --> 01:00:02.639 get some practice, clear her head, give her opponents that 1227 01:00:02.679 --> 01:00:04.880 maybe style wise or better for her, have the match 1228 01:00:04.920 --> 01:00:09.320 producers book like, give her the time to tell the story. 1229 01:00:09.320 --> 01:00:11.039 In the ring without having to just squeeze in five 1230 01:00:11.079 --> 01:00:12.360 spots that they say is the only way she's going 1231 01:00:12.400 --> 01:00:13.440 to get over whatever. There could be a lot of 1232 01:00:13.480 --> 01:00:16.800 things going on with her, But setting that aside, what 1233 01:00:16.880 --> 01:00:20.559 about Raquel shouldn't she like? I mean, I don't know. 1234 01:00:20.559 --> 01:00:22.679 It's the way they book. I mean, it's just someone's 1235 01:00:22.719 --> 01:00:25.559 grabbing the book, the move, the move of the year, 1236 01:00:25.639 --> 01:00:28.519 the interference technique of the years, grabbing someone's bot while 1237 01:00:28.519 --> 01:00:32.480 they're runing the ropes. That's the overdone thing now, distracting 1238 01:00:32.519 --> 01:00:34.000 the referee in one side when someone does that on 1239 01:00:34.039 --> 01:00:37.639 the other, I mean, that's what w does. I think 1240 01:00:37.679 --> 01:00:41.639 they do it sort of thoughtlessly, reflexively, without any introspection 1241 01:00:41.760 --> 01:00:45.559 of whether it's tropy and losing its effectiveness and farcical. 1242 01:00:46.159 --> 01:00:51.119 Paul, Yeah, I agree. They teach us that the moves 1243 01:00:51.159 --> 01:00:53.639 and what happens in the ring doesn't matter because until 1244 01:00:53.639 --> 01:00:57.320 there's an interference or or something like that, you know, 1245 01:00:57.639 --> 01:01:01.000 we don't expect that we're going to see an and uh. 1246 01:01:01.880 --> 01:01:04.199 And it really would have. It would have helped Recall 1247 01:01:04.239 --> 01:01:06.880 a lot to get a clean win. I think they 1248 01:01:06.920 --> 01:01:09.880 wanted to, you know, they wanted to advance the EO 1249 01:01:10.800 --> 01:01:13.639 Sky angle as well, so they wanted to kill two 1250 01:01:13.639 --> 01:01:17.320 birds with one stone. And of course, you know she 1251 01:01:17.320 --> 01:01:19.199 she is a heel, and this is what the judgment 1252 01:01:19.280 --> 01:01:22.599 day does. But a clean wind would have really been 1253 01:01:22.599 --> 01:01:23.119 a statement. 1254 01:01:23.800 --> 01:01:25.920 Yeah, uh drow what else first? 1255 01:01:28.440 --> 01:01:28.840 Yeah? 1256 01:01:28.880 --> 01:01:31.880 And plus they gave so so much when she first 1257 01:01:31.880 --> 01:01:35.239 came on the roster, so that's another reason as well. 1258 01:01:35.039 --> 01:01:37.639 Why they did that. And it seemed like they don't 1259 01:01:37.960 --> 01:01:39.079 with heels. They don't know. 1260 01:01:39.199 --> 01:01:41.400 They only think heels can only be shown as a 1261 01:01:41.440 --> 01:01:44.400 heel by somebody coming out they're helping him, like when 1262 01:01:44.440 --> 01:01:46.960 he said grabbing an ankle or pulling you down or 1263 01:01:47.000 --> 01:01:50.360 something like that. I guess they haven't seen years of 1264 01:01:50.480 --> 01:01:52.760 heel work and how to get heels over and find 1265 01:01:52.800 --> 01:01:57.360 ways for them to win. But hopefully they can rebound 1266 01:01:57.480 --> 01:01:58.639 and do something with that. 1267 01:01:58.760 --> 01:02:02.199 And so, by the way, just have so worked dark 1268 01:02:02.199 --> 01:02:04.440 matches before everyone on SmackDown for the next three months, 1269 01:02:05.119 --> 01:02:07.280 just have worked in front of crowds, give her a 1270 01:02:07.360 --> 01:02:09.280 variety of opponents or a few veterans who can help 1271 01:02:09.280 --> 01:02:11.800 her along and just take the pressure off of being 1272 01:02:11.800 --> 01:02:14.360 on live TV and kind of you know what I mean. 1273 01:02:14.400 --> 01:02:17.639 I would challenge her to not use any of the 1274 01:02:17.679 --> 01:02:20.400 moves she used in this match. Just go everything you did. 1275 01:02:20.480 --> 01:02:23.000 Thought that you're not on TV. It's not you know, 1276 01:02:23.119 --> 01:02:24.920 someone's going to put the case. It's Al's going to 1277 01:02:24.960 --> 01:02:28.239 put the match on social media. Who cares? You'll overcome that. 1278 01:02:28.519 --> 01:02:30.480 Go out there and just have a match, Like do 1279 01:02:30.559 --> 01:02:35.159 a vertical suplex, run the ropes, do a sunset flip, 1280 01:02:35.960 --> 01:02:38.679 you know whatever. Just just it's about getting a rhythm. 1281 01:02:38.840 --> 01:02:41.719 It's about gaining your confidence, about getting her footing, and 1282 01:02:42.039 --> 01:02:45.239 do some more basic things that aren't needlessly overly complex 1283 01:02:45.280 --> 01:02:47.440 that she is uniquely capable of doing when she's got 1284 01:02:47.639 --> 01:02:50.440 when she's got a rhythm. But instead have her do 1285 01:02:51.639 --> 01:02:54.440 you know, thirty matches in front of big arena crowds 1286 01:02:54.440 --> 01:02:56.960 and dark matches for the next fifteen weeks, along with 1287 01:02:56.960 --> 01:02:59.840 some house shows where it's just the fundamentals, and take 1288 01:02:59.840 --> 01:03:01.719 a way that the oh my god, am I gonna 1289 01:03:01.719 --> 01:03:03.239 screw this up. I'm I gonna hurt someone, I'm gonna 1290 01:03:03.320 --> 01:03:06.400 hurt myself. Just give give her the whatever. I mean. 1291 01:03:06.440 --> 01:03:08.960 I'm sure there's betteran wrestlers and producers who have better 1292 01:03:08.960 --> 01:03:12.559 ideas than I have. But that's that's my my suggestion 1293 01:03:12.639 --> 01:03:14.480 from afar watching this industry for a long time that 1294 01:03:14.480 --> 01:03:16.719 you speak at Dark Matches were four in part was 1295 01:03:16.800 --> 01:03:19.159 give some reps to somebody who needs them, but in 1296 01:03:19.199 --> 01:03:21.599 front of a natural crowd, not a not a studio audience. 1297 01:03:21.639 --> 01:03:25.880 At NXT. You know, anyway, go ahead, Drug. 1298 01:03:27.320 --> 01:03:29.800 You can send her to these places you got partnership with. 1299 01:03:29.960 --> 01:03:33.039 She would have been a perfect example like t and 1300 01:03:33.119 --> 01:03:42.920 A Center, the Triple A sent over the So. 1301 01:03:40.239 --> 01:03:42.800 The thing with yes some of those are. The thing 1302 01:03:42.840 --> 01:03:45.800 with TNA is they just tape you know, three TV 1303 01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:48.840 shows rapid fire on one night and it's all for TV, 1304 01:03:49.519 --> 01:03:51.360 and so you're kind of putting her in a similar spot, 1305 01:03:51.440 --> 01:03:54.559 which is pressures on cameras rolling, and we're trying to 1306 01:03:54.599 --> 01:03:56.840 fit a bunch of TV show tapings into one night. 1307 01:03:57.079 --> 01:03:59.239 It's not like a casual house show. I've been to 1308 01:03:59.320 --> 01:04:02.599 casual NXT house shows and that's where you know, when 1309 01:04:02.599 --> 01:04:04.679 the gamuses last. Wity Matches. I saw when he was 1310 01:04:04.719 --> 01:04:07.800 surprise guests at an NXT show and that was fun. 1311 01:04:07.679 --> 01:04:07.880 You know. 1312 01:04:08.039 --> 01:04:10.960 And so if they did more small shows, yeah, do that, 1313 01:04:11.199 --> 01:04:14.599 like you said, NWA or some indie shows. But find 1314 01:04:15.440 --> 01:04:18.920 whether it's natty or you know whatever, find a woman 1315 01:04:18.960 --> 01:04:22.960 wrestler who's like up for it and just pay indie 1316 01:04:22.960 --> 01:04:25.840 shows to put them on in front of audiences, like, well, 1317 01:04:25.880 --> 01:04:27.079 you can use them for free. We just wanted to 1318 01:04:27.119 --> 01:04:28.519 get reps in front of an audience with it with 1319 01:04:28.519 --> 01:04:30.320 a veteran. If you believe in her, you know, And 1320 01:04:30.360 --> 01:04:32.079 I mean you can apply this to a lot of wrestlers, 1321 01:04:32.480 --> 01:04:34.519 but she's the one who had up botch Fest tonight's 1322 01:04:34.519 --> 01:04:35.280 we're talking about her. 1323 01:04:37.000 --> 01:04:37.360 What else? 1324 01:04:38.039 --> 01:04:41.119 And another box fans to me was the Dan House 1325 01:04:41.159 --> 01:04:45.679 and Joe Henry. I don't know why they had them 1326 01:04:45.760 --> 01:04:49.079 have a concert and all that. See, when you have 1327 01:04:49.280 --> 01:04:52.239 somebody who like Dan House and who you gonna struct 1328 01:04:52.320 --> 01:04:56.400 go with, you're making gookoos and money with him, and 1329 01:04:56.559 --> 01:04:59.559 you just come up and have him do something all 1330 01:04:59.599 --> 01:05:03.440 the time. And now you're changing the match to uh, 1331 01:05:03.559 --> 01:05:05.280 money's on the pole match. 1332 01:05:05.599 --> 01:05:11.159 That's almost human money, Yeah, human moneys on the pole match. 1333 01:05:11.360 --> 01:05:15.920 That's both bad, well mom on the pole on the 1334 01:05:15.920 --> 01:05:21.400 pole type of stuff. And what makes me don't like 1335 01:05:21.440 --> 01:05:24.639 it is because you're putting dumb in that match, and 1336 01:05:24.800 --> 01:05:28.599 domb still to this day he can get heat even 1337 01:05:28.639 --> 01:05:30.960 with how poorly they don't book him. And you putting 1338 01:05:31.000 --> 01:05:32.639 him in a match like that where it looks like 1339 01:05:32.679 --> 01:05:37.239 he probably gonna lose some some I know, and some 1340 01:05:37.280 --> 01:05:39.320 people love to say when you're a good here, you. 1341 01:05:39.320 --> 01:05:40.440 Can come back from anything. 1342 01:05:40.519 --> 01:05:45.039 But it's certain stuff that you you probably come back with, 1343 01:05:45.239 --> 01:05:47.199 but it's gonna take a little bit longer. And I 1344 01:05:47.199 --> 01:05:48.039 don't want to see that. 1345 01:05:48.119 --> 01:05:50.719 And I like Dan Housen. 1346 01:05:52.599 --> 01:05:54.480 Don't give me too much of him, give me some 1347 01:05:55.239 --> 01:05:58.039 a little bit a shot here and there. That's all 1348 01:05:58.159 --> 01:06:01.199 just a shot here and there, and that's it. Don't 1349 01:06:01.239 --> 01:06:03.199 give me a probe a full glass alcohol. 1350 01:06:05.800 --> 01:06:08.320 And it's so side show like it's it he's not. 1351 01:06:08.679 --> 01:06:11.320 It's like this weird kind of it's a side show, 1352 01:06:11.360 --> 01:06:13.360 but it's too much of a side show. So like 1353 01:06:13.960 --> 01:06:18.159 he'd be the guy that in like like they he'd 1354 01:06:18.159 --> 01:06:20.639 be like the odd couple partner with Braun Stroman or 1355 01:06:20.639 --> 01:06:22.280 something where they go after tag titles. But it'd be 1356 01:06:22.360 --> 01:06:23.719 like the big guy and the little guy, and people 1357 01:06:23.760 --> 01:06:25.519 would look forward to Dan Housing taking in once Braun 1358 01:06:25.559 --> 01:06:27.719 beat up the opponents. You could do it fun tank 1359 01:06:27.760 --> 01:06:30.519 few domin j D against Braun and Dan Housen, but 1360 01:06:30.639 --> 01:06:33.000 it's all side show, like it's just like Joe Henry's 1361 01:06:33.000 --> 01:06:35.480 a side show in kind of stale and doesn't you know, 1362 01:06:35.559 --> 01:06:39.159 he's got over in other environments, but he hasn't really 1363 01:06:39.280 --> 01:06:41.840 organically introduced himself to the ww audience in a way 1364 01:06:42.519 --> 01:06:45.079 that doesn't feel kind of like the way TNA treats 1365 01:06:45.079 --> 01:06:46.519 some people from the outside, where it's like, well, you know, 1366 01:06:46.559 --> 01:06:49.199 who is It's like do we you know, do they 1367 01:06:49.400 --> 01:06:52.519 do the fans? And so they you know, they took 1368 01:06:52.559 --> 01:06:54.679 a guy who's good in small doses and witty and 1369 01:06:54.760 --> 01:06:58.599 then just threw him into I don't know, situations where 1370 01:06:59.000 --> 01:07:01.360 he is feeling over and some of the materialis feel 1371 01:07:01.400 --> 01:07:03.639 like they're desperate to wedge it into the show, and 1372 01:07:04.280 --> 01:07:06.840 I either make him a wrestler who's doing something that 1373 01:07:06.880 --> 01:07:10.719 doesn't feel entirely sideshow or smaller doses not taking up 1374 01:07:10.719 --> 01:07:13.400 a whole segment in the ring. I don't know. 1375 01:07:14.039 --> 01:07:17.960 Yeah, his his his comedy and he is he is 1376 01:07:18.199 --> 01:07:19.400 genuinely funny. 1377 01:07:19.119 --> 01:07:22.800 But I'm a fan of yeah, yeah, but it's. 1378 01:07:22.320 --> 01:07:26.239 Just under it's so you know, cartoony that it just 1379 01:07:26.440 --> 01:07:29.719 undermines the whole show. And I think anyone who's touched 1380 01:07:29.760 --> 01:07:33.719 by it, you know, suffers. And and this was this 1381 01:07:33.920 --> 01:07:36.079 might have been the night that that that Dan Housen 1382 01:07:36.199 --> 01:07:39.719 jumped the shark, because this was the he and Joe 1383 01:07:39.800 --> 01:07:42.159 Henry brought out the worst in each other. I think 1384 01:07:42.280 --> 01:07:44.840 they had nothing that their song. There was no real 1385 01:07:44.920 --> 01:07:48.280 funny lines. They just repeated the same thing. I mean, 1386 01:07:48.360 --> 01:07:52.440 thank goodness for Ryan Garcia putting the segment out of 1387 01:07:52.480 --> 01:07:56.960 its misery by by introducing some element and ending that 1388 01:07:57.320 --> 01:07:59.239 that song that was a mess. 1389 01:08:00.320 --> 01:08:00.440 Uh. 1390 01:08:00.719 --> 01:08:03.960 Speaking of jumping the shark, Maface says the Fonds would 1391 01:08:03.960 --> 01:08:06.480 be proud of that Dan Housen Henry jumping the shark moment. 1392 01:08:07.719 --> 01:08:10.079 Then Goodfellow points out dom As one and six this 1393 01:08:10.199 --> 01:08:12.480 yere On Raw seven eleven says, I'd be fine at 1394 01:08:12.519 --> 01:08:14.480 dan Housen never has matches for some reason, seeing him 1395 01:08:14.480 --> 01:08:20.239 Wressel takes away from his character. In my opinion, Nicky 1396 01:08:20.439 --> 01:08:22.840 let's say yeah. Nikki be says dan Housen should be 1397 01:08:23.039 --> 01:08:27.000 just a backstage interviewer and sadly goes, I agree, this 1398 01:08:27.079 --> 01:08:33.199 is dan Hausen's worst night other than his debut. Yeah, yeah, 1399 01:08:35.640 --> 01:08:38.560 I don't know. It's just I think that you know, 1400 01:08:38.600 --> 01:08:40.479 they got something that they think is kind of hot 1401 01:08:40.760 --> 01:08:43.079 like that. You know, people are into it. It's selling merchandise. 1402 01:08:43.159 --> 01:08:46.079 And I I mean, I'm not saying they're only doing 1403 01:08:46.079 --> 01:08:47.479 this because of merchanise, because I think they do think 1404 01:08:47.520 --> 01:08:51.239 they have something with Dan Housen and they're trying to 1405 01:08:51.239 --> 01:08:53.199 figure out how to keep it going and and and 1406 01:08:53.439 --> 01:08:55.880 you know, incorporate comedy into the show and whatever. But 1407 01:08:57.279 --> 01:09:00.119 it does feel like it plays to my philosoph be 1408 01:09:00.239 --> 01:09:02.880 on merchandise, which is merchandise should never you don't want 1409 01:09:02.880 --> 01:09:04.600 the tailwig in the dog like. Merchandise should be the 1410 01:09:04.640 --> 01:09:08.279 result of just fundamentally casting your characters, telling good stories, 1411 01:09:08.359 --> 01:09:11.000 casting the characters in the right role. If fans like someone, 1412 01:09:11.079 --> 01:09:12.800 push them as a face, fans don't like someone, push 1413 01:09:12.840 --> 01:09:14.560 them as a heel, amplify what they like or don't like. 1414 01:09:15.520 --> 01:09:18.359 Everything should be about a TV show creating a sports 1415 01:09:18.520 --> 01:09:21.399 like presentation doesn't take itself too seriously, but also doesn't 1416 01:09:21.479 --> 01:09:23.720 just insult the audience by going, hey, here's a segment 1417 01:09:23.760 --> 01:09:26.479 that is so nonsense. We just want to you to 1418 01:09:26.520 --> 01:09:29.680 compartmentalize it. So everything should be about how do we 1419 01:09:29.720 --> 01:09:31.800 sell tickets and get people to buy into what we're doing, 1420 01:09:32.279 --> 01:09:34.079 and then merchandise will sell itself. That's just be a 1421 01:09:34.159 --> 01:09:36.680 side effect. But I feel like sometimes WW goes, well, 1422 01:09:36.760 --> 01:09:38.359 we're making so much money on merch. Easy for me 1423 01:09:38.439 --> 01:09:41.039 to say, sitting here, you know, with no affiliation to 1424 01:09:41.119 --> 01:09:44.159 that would be and they're not depositing merch money into 1425 01:09:44.159 --> 01:09:45.760 my bank accounts, so it's easy for me to say. 1426 01:09:45.840 --> 01:09:49.960 But philosophically, I think when you start booking someone because 1427 01:09:49.960 --> 01:09:55.199 you're making money off their merch, you're losing. You're losing. 1428 01:09:56.000 --> 01:10:00.680 You're straying away from the most important thing, which is 1429 01:10:01.359 --> 01:10:04.560 selling matches and getting people invested in an outcomeing and 1430 01:10:05.199 --> 01:10:07.439 way more often than not, rooting for someone to win 1431 01:10:07.520 --> 01:10:10.239 and someone to lose. And then merch will sell people 1432 01:10:10.279 --> 01:10:12.199 go to they've got their they got their money, they 1433 01:10:12.239 --> 01:10:15.600 got their they have their budget. They're gonna spy merch 1434 01:10:15.680 --> 01:10:17.680 of whoever's over in main eventing, you know, just make 1435 01:10:17.760 --> 01:10:20.800 it cool. So don't push someone because of merch. Uh 1436 01:10:21.000 --> 01:10:23.159 Sadler goes, this was Dan Hauson's worst night other than 1437 01:10:23.199 --> 01:10:24.640 his debut. Oh I already said that, what's the was 1438 01:10:24.680 --> 01:10:27.119 I gonna throw up? Oh h Jac'scooby said, Joe Henry 1439 01:10:27.119 --> 01:10:29.119 and Danjulsen wasn't as bad as I thought it might be. 1440 01:10:29.600 --> 01:10:30.800 I do want to say, and I wrote this in 1441 01:10:30.880 --> 01:10:33.159 my report at PW Torch. While everyone's checking that out 1442 01:10:33.239 --> 01:10:37.520 during raw or afterwards, I thought I would not have 1443 01:10:37.600 --> 01:10:39.199 put this on the air. I disagree with it for 1444 01:10:39.279 --> 01:10:41.800 reasons I've said. But once they decided to do it, 1445 01:10:42.920 --> 01:10:45.199 they went all in and did it well like this 1446 01:10:45.479 --> 01:10:48.439 was this was you know, let's get the dancers out there, 1447 01:10:48.560 --> 01:10:51.840 let's let's just they were not shy, like you know what, 1448 01:10:52.000 --> 01:10:53.960 what's the saying about if you're if you're giving a speech, 1449 01:10:54.079 --> 01:10:57.319 like don't mix inaudibility with incoherence, Like if you're gonna 1450 01:10:57.399 --> 01:10:59.560 give a bad speech, at least don't be hard to hear. 1451 01:11:00.159 --> 01:11:02.319 I know there's a more catchy phrase on that, like 1452 01:11:02.399 --> 01:11:04.479 don't don't make people mad that you're not only giving 1453 01:11:04.479 --> 01:11:06.720 a bad speech, but you're not articulating and you're rolling 1454 01:11:06.720 --> 01:11:09.439 and mumbling, like just be proud whatever you decide to do, 1455 01:11:09.640 --> 01:11:11.000 do it and go all in. 1456 01:11:11.319 --> 01:11:11.880 They went all in. 1457 01:11:12.119 --> 01:11:14.840 You know, they had the clippers dancers at ringside and 1458 01:11:14.920 --> 01:11:19.800 the mini housens and a sort of catchy chorus that 1459 01:11:19.960 --> 01:11:22.640 was it. It's just the chorus. But I mean they 1460 01:11:22.680 --> 01:11:25.119 did go all in on it, Paul. So if they're 1461 01:11:25.119 --> 01:11:27.199 gonna do it. It was better. It was a better 1462 01:11:27.239 --> 01:11:28.640 execution than Soul Ruka and Riquel. 1463 01:11:29.479 --> 01:11:31.640 All Right, I'll give you that, but I know I 1464 01:11:31.640 --> 01:11:34.880 could cover on that. Corey Graves, it was a little 1465 01:11:34.880 --> 01:11:37.439 bit of truth teller when he said there aren't enough 1466 01:11:37.479 --> 01:11:39.840 dispensaries in California to make me enjoy that. 1467 01:11:40.560 --> 01:11:40.800 Wow. 1468 01:11:41.199 --> 01:11:44.000 Yeah, yeah, I'm not saying I enjoyed it. I'm saying 1469 01:11:44.039 --> 01:11:46.640 that what they set out to do, they set they 1470 01:11:46.840 --> 01:11:48.560 they executed what they set. 1471 01:11:48.359 --> 01:11:50.960 Out to do, and much like his debut, it was 1472 01:11:51.039 --> 01:11:51.800 all they went all in. 1473 01:11:52.159 --> 01:11:56.960 Yeah, Yeah, there's similarities for sure. Before pushing play on 1474 01:11:56.960 --> 01:11:59.279 the way Keller Pro Wrestling post shows, check out pw 1475 01:11:59.439 --> 01:12:02.399 torch dot com and our TV review section and skim 1476 01:12:02.520 --> 01:12:04.520 through a full rundown of the TV show if you 1477 01:12:04.600 --> 01:12:06.479 didn't see it, that's your way to get an overview 1478 01:12:06.760 --> 01:12:09.600 of what happened before you dive into our in depth 1479 01:12:09.840 --> 01:12:12.920 analysis of the key happenings on the show. That's pw 1480 01:12:13.159 --> 01:12:16.800 torch dot com. You're home for live TV coverage every Monday, 1481 01:12:16.840 --> 01:12:19.119 Wednesday and Friday with my TV Reports, and also check 1482 01:12:19.119 --> 01:12:21.520 out our NXT and Impact coverage on Tuesdays and Thursdays 1483 01:12:21.720 --> 01:12:23.880 our Collision Reports on Saturday nights and of course our 1484 01:12:23.920 --> 01:12:26.600 live pay per view on ple coverage on weekends. All 1485 01:12:26.680 --> 01:12:31.119 waiting for you at PW torch dot com. All right, 1486 01:12:31.199 --> 01:12:32.000 you well what else? 1487 01:12:32.920 --> 01:12:33.239 Okay? 1488 01:12:33.720 --> 01:12:37.960 Now, this why I say you strike when the iron's hot. 1489 01:12:38.279 --> 01:12:41.319 I think last two weeks they kind of hurt over 1490 01:12:41.920 --> 01:12:43.399 with him beating up the. 1491 01:12:43.479 --> 01:12:47.239 Cops and all that. Tonight, beat up the cops, you 1492 01:12:47.359 --> 01:12:49.880 go and you do the stuff, and then Rock don't. 1493 01:12:49.680 --> 01:12:52.199 Even get in the rain. He has all ham and 1494 01:12:52.279 --> 01:12:55.439 announced his weight. He locked you in the caves and 1495 01:12:55.600 --> 01:13:00.079 stuff like that. I don't like when you make a 1496 01:13:00.159 --> 01:13:03.920 babyface look slow. And I feel like the night they 1497 01:13:04.000 --> 01:13:08.119 made him look slow, you follow you followed the steps 1498 01:13:08.159 --> 01:13:10.960 that they told you. We none contact all this, We 1499 01:13:11.359 --> 01:13:13.880 can't even touch each other, so why are we even 1500 01:13:13.960 --> 01:13:16.399 doing this? And then you play me, make me look 1501 01:13:16.520 --> 01:13:20.239 slow and everything, And I just feel like the last 1502 01:13:20.279 --> 01:13:22.800 few weeks they hurt him. I understand it's gonna be 1503 01:13:22.800 --> 01:13:25.319 a big match, He's probably the second biggest match on 1504 01:13:25.520 --> 01:13:27.520 the whole weekend and stuff. 1505 01:13:27.279 --> 01:13:28.000 Like that, But. 1506 01:13:30.600 --> 01:13:34.640 Does the damage last longer than just once people see 1507 01:13:34.680 --> 01:13:37.199 the match say over it and stuff like that, because 1508 01:13:37.760 --> 01:13:40.840 I don't see where he goes next. They haven't set 1509 01:13:40.880 --> 01:13:43.680 up anything, they haven't told no story about nothing. They 1510 01:13:43.760 --> 01:13:46.279 barely telling the story about this match. How did y'all 1511 01:13:46.319 --> 01:13:47.319 sunk about this week? 1512 01:13:47.520 --> 01:13:52.960 And I think we're seeing drell is the gimmick is 1513 01:13:54.039 --> 01:13:58.319 the sales pitch instead of the sales pitch logically leading 1514 01:13:58.359 --> 01:14:01.199 to the gimmick. So like the story of this match 1515 01:14:01.239 --> 01:14:04.800 should be we need a hell in a Cell for 1516 01:14:05.039 --> 01:14:08.239 certain reasons, because Obin Brock need to sell on the ring. 1517 01:14:08.359 --> 01:14:10.880 We need to not have interference. We we want to 1518 01:14:10.920 --> 01:14:13.479 incorporate not just what happens in the ring, but whatever. 1519 01:14:14.279 --> 01:14:17.600 There should be something about Brock and Oba that calls 1520 01:14:17.640 --> 01:14:19.640 for Helen a Cell. But instead what they've what they've 1521 01:14:19.680 --> 01:14:22.159 done is it's all about the Helena Cell. We had 1522 01:14:22.199 --> 01:14:24.520 did Did we have Helena Cell talking to us tonight? 1523 01:14:25.399 --> 01:14:26.119 Third character? 1524 01:14:26.600 --> 01:14:26.800 Yeah? 1525 01:14:27.000 --> 01:14:28.840 That we had then. Yet it took me a while 1526 01:14:28.840 --> 01:14:30.439 to figure out what's going on there. I'm like, wait this, 1527 01:14:30.800 --> 01:14:33.119 the Helen of Cell is now personified into a narrator 1528 01:14:33.159 --> 01:14:37.760 of a video about itself. It was talking about itself. Yeah, 1529 01:14:38.159 --> 01:14:40.960 this should be about Oba and Brock in the Helen 1530 01:14:41.039 --> 01:14:43.000 of Cell should just by the time you get down 1531 01:14:43.199 --> 01:14:46.399 convincing people at pulling people into a needing to see 1532 01:14:46.560 --> 01:14:49.079 what happens in a third rubber match. Though to speaking 1533 01:14:49.079 --> 01:14:51.439 against Oben Brock, when you when you lay out the 1534 01:14:51.479 --> 01:14:54.600 reasons this match should take place, then you go, oh shit, 1535 01:14:54.680 --> 01:14:55.880 it's in a hell and a cell too. 1536 01:14:56.920 --> 01:14:57.159 Whoa. 1537 01:14:57.680 --> 01:15:00.199 But instead, like we have a Helen of Cell. You'll 1538 01:15:00.199 --> 01:15:01.880 never guess who we're putting in it. But let's tell 1539 01:15:01.880 --> 01:15:04.079 you more about Helena Sell. And it's cool because you 1540 01:15:04.079 --> 01:15:06.720 know who's in it, Open Brock. It's the second story. 1541 01:15:07.560 --> 01:15:10.319 Helen Sel should be the second story, not Oba versus Brock. 1542 01:15:10.640 --> 01:15:12.760 I want to see open Brock. And this gets into 1543 01:15:12.880 --> 01:15:14.840 w B and you know, Triple H and his brain 1544 01:15:14.920 --> 01:15:19.640 trust they're scared for whatever reason or philosophically opposed if 1545 01:15:19.680 --> 01:15:23.159 they're not scared to presenting the w B product in 1546 01:15:23.239 --> 01:15:25.079 a more sports like way and lean into the sports 1547 01:15:25.079 --> 01:15:27.079 aspect of it. That's what I said about Seth and Rollman. 1548 01:15:27.119 --> 01:15:29.880 It should be we had our we had our riff 1549 01:15:30.079 --> 01:15:32.560 raff hangers on and helping us win matches in the past. 1550 01:15:32.600 --> 01:15:34.279 I'm guilty, You're guilty. This is going to be We're 1551 01:15:34.279 --> 01:15:36.199 gonna find out who the better wrestlers. They're scared to 1552 01:15:36.279 --> 01:15:37.600 do that because I think they think people at homemwer 1553 01:15:37.840 --> 01:15:40.199 it's not real. Why they're pretending it's real, not understanding 1554 01:15:40.359 --> 01:15:42.000 the most. The peak fan experience is when you get 1555 01:15:42.000 --> 01:15:45.760 people to buy in because everybody presenting the product wants 1556 01:15:45.840 --> 01:15:48.880 you to wants you to be drawn into it as 1557 01:15:48.920 --> 01:15:52.199 if it's real, just like a great movie, and they're 1558 01:15:52.199 --> 01:15:52.960 they're scared. 1559 01:15:52.680 --> 01:15:52.920 To do it. 1560 01:15:53.000 --> 01:15:56.199 That's what Brock Oba is in their elements of it 1561 01:15:56.279 --> 01:15:57.800 have been there, that was there for the first match. 1562 01:15:58.640 --> 01:16:01.840 Talk about my god, it's the immovable object against the 1563 01:16:01.920 --> 01:16:05.239 irresistible force. Whatever it's these two. If Brock has never 1564 01:16:05.439 --> 01:16:07.399 looked opposite of the ring and seen somebody who's more 1565 01:16:07.439 --> 01:16:09.800 of a force. But now Brock knows what he's getting 1566 01:16:09.840 --> 01:16:11.720 in Oba. He's trained for him, he's been in the 1567 01:16:11.760 --> 01:16:14.039 ring for him, He's felt his power. What has he 1568 01:16:14.159 --> 01:16:16.880 done to train for Oba? They're so scared to talk 1569 01:16:16.920 --> 01:16:19.199 about this like a USC fighter or a boxer would, 1570 01:16:19.319 --> 01:16:22.159 even though they're in the boxing and USC business, talk 1571 01:16:22.239 --> 01:16:25.720 about it like one. There's stakes here. What will happen 1572 01:16:25.760 --> 01:16:28.680 if Brock loses? Tell us about it? Is he gonna 1573 01:16:28.840 --> 01:16:30.479 Is he gonna walk away again and not come back? 1574 01:16:32.079 --> 01:16:33.960 If he if he loses, is he gonna lose faith? 1575 01:16:34.079 --> 01:16:36.039 Is he gonna snap? Is he gonna dump Paul Hayman? 1576 01:16:36.399 --> 01:16:38.520 Is he gonna go away and come back with the 1577 01:16:38.520 --> 01:16:41.000 whole new edit? Like imagine, like I want the announcers 1578 01:16:41.039 --> 01:16:44.640 to pull go if Brock loses. I can't even imagine 1579 01:16:44.680 --> 01:16:47.079 what's next for him, if anything, But if Oba loses, 1580 01:16:47.640 --> 01:16:49.359 does that mean he isn't as big a deeal as 1581 01:16:49.359 --> 01:16:52.520 we thought? Does it mean that maybe he's not ready 1582 01:16:52.520 --> 01:16:54.960 even though he looked like it. Maybe it's like a pitcher. 1583 01:16:55.000 --> 01:16:56.479 The first thing, you know, Patrick gets called it from 1584 01:16:56.479 --> 01:16:58.279 the miners in baseball, and they strike a bunch of 1585 01:16:58.319 --> 01:17:00.760 people out. Second time the or see him, it doesn't 1586 01:17:00.760 --> 01:17:03.159 happen as much. They figure out the picture. You know, 1587 01:17:03.760 --> 01:17:06.880 So has has Oba been figured out? Did Brock solve Oba? 1588 01:17:07.399 --> 01:17:09.960 Talk about that? And then go and by the way, 1589 01:17:10.600 --> 01:17:12.439 it's in a hell in a cell, and everyone's like, 1590 01:17:12.479 --> 01:17:13.960 I'm so into the match, and now you've really sold 1591 01:17:13.960 --> 01:17:15.520 me because it's in a cell. But instead it's all 1592 01:17:15.520 --> 01:17:18.560 about the cell. The people in it are kind of secondary. 1593 01:17:18.920 --> 01:17:21.039 And then obviously with the nonsense with the cops and 1594 01:17:21.720 --> 01:17:24.000 Brock locking the door and then Ova being so mad 1595 01:17:24.119 --> 01:17:25.960 that decided to beat up a whole police force, and 1596 01:17:26.000 --> 01:17:30.720 then Michael coocos he can't blame him. I mean, I'm 1597 01:17:31.119 --> 01:17:33.119 imagine me swearing right now. I am in my head. 1598 01:17:33.279 --> 01:17:36.279 It's so stupid. Why is the announcer going, you can't 1599 01:17:36.359 --> 01:17:40.720 blame Oba. You're throwing a hissy fit over the fact 1600 01:17:40.760 --> 01:17:45.560 that away In did happen, and that brock what put 1601 01:17:45.640 --> 01:17:47.720 a padlock on a door and snickered at him. 1602 01:17:48.439 --> 01:17:51.760 I think you could blame him for assaulting how many 1603 01:17:51.840 --> 01:17:52.720 police officers? 1604 01:17:53.359 --> 01:17:53.520 Right? 1605 01:17:53.560 --> 01:17:57.119 And so we're supposed to believe Paulavek and his brain trust, 1606 01:17:57.359 --> 01:17:59.800 the writers were sprichered all them. I call it. Whatever. Oh, 1607 01:18:00.560 --> 01:18:02.640 people won't take seriously the cops stuff. That's just fun. 1608 01:18:03.479 --> 01:18:05.159 That's just it's just it's just a fun visual. But 1609 01:18:05.319 --> 01:18:08.640 come on, people, know that's not a big deal. Don't 1610 01:18:08.640 --> 01:18:11.000 get don't get hung up on that. Don't get fixated 1611 01:18:11.079 --> 01:18:13.479 on the fact that if if cops got beat up, 1612 01:18:13.840 --> 01:18:15.760 that that that that's a part of a story. You're 1613 01:18:15.840 --> 01:18:18.960 not supposed to take seriously and expect it that it 1614 01:18:19.000 --> 01:18:21.640 could happen in the real world. You got to comppartmentalize 1615 01:18:21.640 --> 01:18:24.199 that and not take this so seriously. Oh, but we 1616 01:18:24.279 --> 01:18:26.000 really want you to care about Oba and Brock and 1617 01:18:26.039 --> 01:18:28.880 the violence you're gonna see. Well, you're trying to convince 1618 01:18:28.920 --> 01:18:30.800 me the violence is real and the stakes are high. 1619 01:18:31.119 --> 01:18:33.239 But a whole police force gets beat up by a 1620 01:18:33.279 --> 01:18:36.960 babyface unprovoked. But don't don't get hung up on that 1621 01:18:37.159 --> 01:18:39.279 not fitting into the narrative structure in a logical way. 1622 01:18:39.600 --> 01:18:41.640 That's just the part that you're supposed to lighten up 1623 01:18:41.880 --> 01:18:44.760 and just enjoy it, because, oh my god, it's cops 1624 01:18:44.800 --> 01:18:46.600 getting beat up by Oba, and oh my god, we 1625 01:18:46.680 --> 01:18:48.119 have to have Oba beat somebody up, and it can't 1626 01:18:48.119 --> 01:18:50.039 be a bunch of it's so stupid. 1627 01:18:50.760 --> 01:18:53.479 Yeah, yeah, I think they thought that the crowd was 1628 01:18:53.600 --> 01:18:58.319 really going to get excited, and they did attack these 1629 01:18:58.720 --> 01:19:01.319 these police officers who were just they're doing their job. 1630 01:19:01.760 --> 01:19:04.319 They didn't lock him in that cage, and the crowd 1631 01:19:04.399 --> 01:19:07.720 did not. The crowd just kind of went mild. 1632 01:19:08.520 --> 01:19:12.119 Sons over beating up. Security did nothing, crowd didn't react 1633 01:19:12.119 --> 01:19:14.239 to it. They need to stop the security attack segments. 1634 01:19:14.720 --> 01:19:17.319 Yes, I wish it was security. That would have been 1635 01:19:17.359 --> 01:19:18.439 a little more believable. 1636 01:19:18.520 --> 01:19:21.560 Yeah yeah, yeah, By the way, my problem wasn't they 1637 01:19:21.600 --> 01:19:23.680 need to stop beating up security they start being up cops. 1638 01:19:23.760 --> 01:19:25.960 That was not my point. They should stop beating up 1639 01:19:26.279 --> 01:19:29.520 people who are hired to be there in wrestlers beat 1640 01:19:29.600 --> 01:19:32.640 them up several limits, says Op. Attacking the security guards 1641 01:19:32.640 --> 01:19:35.640 again was like Sammy smashing another water bottle. It was comedic. 1642 01:19:36.880 --> 01:19:39.039 Two weeks ago, he said, I only did it because 1643 01:19:39.039 --> 01:19:41.399 I knew they weren't real police officers. Ye, what's his 1644 01:19:41.560 --> 01:19:42.439 excuse this week? 1645 01:19:42.680 --> 01:19:48.920 Exactly because they didn't like if all the cops had 1646 01:19:49.039 --> 01:19:52.880 attacked eight on one Oba when Rock locked the door, 1647 01:19:53.560 --> 01:19:56.600 and then Hayman's out there going ha ha, you know 1648 01:19:56.720 --> 01:19:58.680 you thought you knew last time, Well, you stepped in 1649 01:19:59.119 --> 01:20:01.720 a cell and we locked you in it with eight 1650 01:20:02.479 --> 01:20:08.359 trained professional USC boxers and and and professional wrestlers, boxers, 1651 01:20:08.479 --> 01:20:10.600 MMA fighters, whatever, whatever the story they want to tell. 1652 01:20:11.279 --> 01:20:13.840 And now you're getting beat up eight on one and 1653 01:20:13.920 --> 01:20:15.319 we tricked you be locked to get a cage. You're 1654 01:20:15.319 --> 01:20:17.600 a sucker and you're stupid in polemics saying it ringside helpless. 1655 01:20:17.800 --> 01:20:19.600 I'm not saying I would love that if you pitched it, 1656 01:20:20.119 --> 01:20:23.000 but it's it solves like ninety nine percent of what 1657 01:20:23.199 --> 01:20:27.319 was utterly stupid about that segment because at least then 1658 01:20:27.359 --> 01:20:30.319 it's Hayman outsmarting Oba, and then Oba has a reason 1659 01:20:30.359 --> 01:20:33.279 to then fight back and toss them all around. You'm on, 1660 01:20:33.640 --> 01:20:36.319 you know. But they don't think people are. 1661 01:20:36.239 --> 01:20:40.279 Gonna have to feel terrible about seeing him attack police officers, right, And. 1662 01:20:40.319 --> 01:20:43.039 I mean there's some people. Yeah, it's just like there's 1663 01:20:43.119 --> 01:20:45.920 there's some people are like, oh, now Oba can't wrestle 1664 01:20:45.920 --> 01:20:48.760 at Summer Slam because he's going to be in jail, 1665 01:20:49.039 --> 01:20:52.640 facing multiple felony charges in decades in prison, Which is 1666 01:20:52.680 --> 01:20:55.359 what would happen if you got If you go and 1667 01:20:55.640 --> 01:20:57.239 find a place where there's eight cops and you do 1668 01:20:57.319 --> 01:21:00.640 what Oba did, You're not going to be wrestling weekend 1669 01:21:00.960 --> 01:21:02.159 for a big cash prize. 1670 01:21:02.800 --> 01:21:03.359 You're going to be. 1671 01:21:04.640 --> 01:21:08.319 Out on bail and facing maybe out on bail. Actually 1672 01:21:08.319 --> 01:21:09.640 won't you won't even get bail if you did that. 1673 01:21:10.079 --> 01:21:13.720 But oh what they want us to be entertained and 1674 01:21:13.800 --> 01:21:17.119 it's rolled and find it engaging, but they don't want 1675 01:21:17.199 --> 01:21:19.439 us to take it seriously enough to expect the constant 1676 01:21:19.439 --> 01:21:22.479 the obvious consequences if we're to take it seriously, to 1677 01:21:22.560 --> 01:21:26.560 take it. Yeah, seven eleven new nickname for Roba Oba felony. 1678 01:21:30.760 --> 01:21:32.800 I do want to say I did like the brock 1679 01:21:32.920 --> 01:21:35.960 locking in the cage. He he seemed like a cowardly 1680 01:21:36.119 --> 01:21:38.439 jerk who was just you know, trying to look for 1681 01:21:38.479 --> 01:21:40.960 a way to get under Oba's skin. We were, you know, 1682 01:21:41.039 --> 01:21:43.840 the fan. And when they they faced off at the 1683 01:21:44.039 --> 01:21:46.640 end and they're they're flipping each other the bird like, 1684 01:21:46.880 --> 01:21:50.600 it seemed like they were really like poed at each other, 1685 01:21:50.800 --> 01:21:53.800 like there was some real animosity. 1686 01:21:54.640 --> 01:21:56.279 To both you what if it was the other way around, 1687 01:21:57.159 --> 01:22:00.439 What if Leslard and Hayman went in there about to 1688 01:22:00.479 --> 01:22:02.239 do the way did the Wayne or they're waiting for 1689 01:22:02.319 --> 01:22:04.439 ob come out, you know, and Oba comes out. He 1690 01:22:04.560 --> 01:22:08.399 looks and he goes lock the cage door and he 1691 01:22:08.560 --> 01:22:11.279 puts a padlock around it. And Cole's like grace, like 1692 01:22:11.319 --> 01:22:14.079 what's he doing? And and and then Hayman's like what 1693 01:22:14.159 --> 01:22:17.119 are you doing? And Oba just laughs. He goes, I'll 1694 01:22:17.119 --> 01:22:19.640 see a Sunday or see a Saturday. I'm sorry, Saturday. 1695 01:22:20.800 --> 01:22:22.800 Have fun with your way in. I'm not playing any 1696 01:22:22.840 --> 01:22:24.760 more games. I'm not playing any more Hype. I just 1697 01:22:24.800 --> 01:22:26.359 want to get my hands on you. And he could 1698 01:22:26.399 --> 01:22:28.359 take the mic, he could go, I am not allowed 1699 01:22:28.359 --> 01:22:30.199 to put my hands on you. That is, I would 1700 01:22:30.239 --> 01:22:32.279 be suspended, I'd be fired, I'd be fined, and the 1701 01:22:32.319 --> 01:22:34.600 match when happens Saturday. I got what I need. I 1702 01:22:34.640 --> 01:22:35.840 don't need a home. I don't need to know how 1703 01:22:35.920 --> 01:22:37.319 much of Weybroc, I don't know why you wanted this 1704 01:22:37.359 --> 01:22:39.000 wayn in the first place. What's what's going on? Like 1705 01:22:39.319 --> 01:22:41.359 they point out how stupid a way in is Brock. 1706 01:22:41.359 --> 01:22:42.439 I don't know why you want his way in the 1707 01:22:42.479 --> 01:22:44.920 first place. But I'm done talking. I'm done standing and 1708 01:22:44.960 --> 01:22:47.119 having a stare down. I'm not playing to the promoters. 1709 01:22:47.119 --> 01:22:51.920 They can photoshop our faces nose to nose. I'm getting 1710 01:22:52.000 --> 01:22:54.880 ready for Saturday. You're going to try to figure out 1711 01:22:54.880 --> 01:22:55.800 how to get out of this cage? 1712 01:22:55.880 --> 01:22:56.079 Bye? 1713 01:22:56.279 --> 01:22:58.600 I mean whatever? Have ova have the joke beyond Brock 1714 01:22:58.640 --> 01:23:00.159 and Hayman. Instead, the joke was on over and he 1715 01:23:00.199 --> 01:23:02.279 has a fit, beats up cops. It's stupid. I don't, 1716 01:23:02.439 --> 01:23:05.600 I don't. I can't imagine the pitch meeting for this mhm, 1717 01:23:06.960 --> 01:23:09.960 Like who's I mean, what's what's the pitch meeting? 1718 01:23:10.000 --> 01:23:10.079 Oh? 1719 01:23:10.159 --> 01:23:12.119 This would be great. We'll have Brock lock ob in 1720 01:23:12.159 --> 01:23:13.840 a cage and then he'll snicker at him and then 1721 01:23:13.920 --> 01:23:17.359 Oba will throw a hissy fit over what like just 1722 01:23:17.479 --> 01:23:19.880 get clip the chain and leave, Like why does he 1723 01:23:19.920 --> 01:23:22.439 have to beat up? Okay, he's gonna be up cops. 1724 01:23:23.319 --> 01:23:26.800 So stupid, you know, his biggest baby's face and you 1725 01:23:26.920 --> 01:23:27.800 got him look. 1726 01:23:29.479 --> 01:23:33.039 Ye uh but Droll some of them says, I just 1727 01:23:33.119 --> 01:23:35.520 had to o Oba kick the door down and then 1728 01:23:35.560 --> 01:23:37.359 have and then have Lee oh ship And then he 1729 01:23:37.479 --> 01:23:42.800 scurries away. Yeah, And Hayman's like Hayman trips trying to 1730 01:23:42.840 --> 01:23:45.279 run away from Oba, and he's in Lesard's like ten 1731 01:23:45.279 --> 01:23:47.239 steps ahead of him, and he turns back and Haman's 1732 01:23:47.760 --> 01:23:49.479 wall wrists out of water on the ground trying to 1733 01:23:49.479 --> 01:23:51.199 figure out how to get back on his feet, and 1734 01:23:51.239 --> 01:23:53.279 the fans are laughing, and then Oba just stops and goes, 1735 01:23:54.079 --> 01:23:56.840 You're not worth it, Paul Rock, I'll see a Saturday. 1736 01:23:56.920 --> 01:23:58.760 I mean, they're just like whatever. I mean, there's just 1737 01:23:58.840 --> 01:24:00.800 like I'm not saying that's the only way to do it, 1738 01:24:00.880 --> 01:24:02.880 but like there's all these things that just make more 1739 01:24:02.920 --> 01:24:05.800 sense for their characters. Then I just I don't think 1740 01:24:05.840 --> 01:24:07.840 they know what they're doing anymore. I don't think they 1741 01:24:07.920 --> 01:24:10.479 know what they're doing anymore. I don't think they know 1742 01:24:10.600 --> 01:24:11.760 what they're doing anymore. 1743 01:24:12.800 --> 01:24:13.239 I don't. 1744 01:24:14.239 --> 01:24:20.800 I think they've lost they've lost any any coherence. I 1745 01:24:20.880 --> 01:24:21.560 can't defend it. 1746 01:24:22.319 --> 01:24:25.640 The people of Inglewood, California would agree tonight, I think. 1747 01:24:26.359 --> 01:24:29.760 Yeah, yeah, we heard a Babyface go home promo in 1748 01:24:29.840 --> 01:24:32.760 a while, because it would have been perfect, like you said, 1749 01:24:32.800 --> 01:24:34.840 if you would have came out there and he would 1750 01:24:34.840 --> 01:24:36.319 have locked them in and he would have cut a 1751 01:24:36.399 --> 01:24:40.199 promos telling him the time is up and what I'm 1752 01:24:40.199 --> 01:24:42.039 goin to do, get. 1753 01:24:41.960 --> 01:24:46.319 One and then let o. But no, don't say you're 1754 01:24:46.319 --> 01:24:49.720 gonna kill me there. Please, yeah, take that off the table. 1755 01:24:50.600 --> 01:24:52.920 Jeremy Or says, I'm sorry, Wade, please make this make sense. 1756 01:24:53.000 --> 01:24:57.359 Thanks love the channel, Thank you. Jaycon Scooby says, no 1757 01:24:57.359 --> 01:25:00.439 reason for Obar Brock tonight. It was not needed. Although 1758 01:25:00.479 --> 01:25:02.479 the last thing the show need is another video package 1759 01:25:02.520 --> 01:25:04.319 recapping everything that's happened already. 1760 01:25:05.680 --> 01:25:10.119 Yeah, any of those, it's tough. Yeah, although several of 1761 01:25:10.199 --> 01:25:11.159 them were quite good. 1762 01:25:11.319 --> 01:25:14.199 I want to Yeah. Yeah, I'm just saying we kept 1763 01:25:14.239 --> 01:25:17.560 its plenty job were they did not phone this show in. 1764 01:25:18.159 --> 01:25:19.600 But if you're in the building, you got a lot 1765 01:25:19.680 --> 01:25:21.640 of looking up at the big screen. Now that's a 1766 01:25:21.680 --> 01:25:23.520 building I you're gonna watch on the big screen that 1767 01:25:23.600 --> 01:25:26.199 Clippers Arena. That's where you want to be because those 1768 01:25:26.239 --> 01:25:30.319 screens are yeah as good as its yeah yeah, and 1769 01:25:30.439 --> 01:25:31.479 Netflix logo is huge. 1770 01:25:32.920 --> 01:25:33.119 Yeah. 1771 01:25:35.159 --> 01:25:38.000 Hey everyone, Greg Parks here. You've probably heard me hosting 1772 01:25:38.039 --> 01:25:40.239 Wrestling Night in America after pay per Views and also 1773 01:25:40.319 --> 01:25:43.039 co hosting the Tuesday Flagship with Wade Keller. 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We'd love for you to 1791 01:26:31.279 --> 01:26:33.880 join our community and unlock access to all our VP 1792 01:26:34.000 --> 01:26:34.840 exclusive content. 1793 01:26:36.439 --> 01:26:39.840 All right, I would have preferred I would have preferred 1794 01:26:40.600 --> 01:26:45.640 Over and Brock Ben had promos videos because like you said, 1795 01:26:45.720 --> 01:26:49.159 they could have showed video over train and getting ready 1796 01:26:49.239 --> 01:26:49.640 for Brock. 1797 01:26:49.760 --> 01:26:51.760 Ye see, they. 1798 01:26:51.880 --> 01:26:54.079 Just hurt them a lot with what was going on 1799 01:26:54.279 --> 01:26:57.399 in two nights of seeing Baby last night. I signed 1800 01:26:57.439 --> 01:26:59.199 up for that six hours and I seen the baby 1801 01:26:59.239 --> 01:27:02.680 face show everything that he chose not to do. 1802 01:27:02.880 --> 01:27:04.359 He gets made a fool of. 1803 01:27:06.079 --> 01:27:08.359 And you should have took the shot because then you 1804 01:27:08.439 --> 01:27:10.279 got the person to take the shot on you and 1805 01:27:10.399 --> 01:27:13.520 hit choose. So everything that John said to him would 1806 01:27:13.800 --> 01:27:16.159 ringed out truth, but you had him looking. 1807 01:27:16.000 --> 01:27:20.000 Bad and tonight the over mean the same thing, and 1808 01:27:20.520 --> 01:27:25.960 my last thing would be this tonight. What hurt l A. 1809 01:27:26.119 --> 01:27:29.520 Knight then was because like I said, everything that is 1810 01:27:29.560 --> 01:27:32.439 attached with Roman itself them just been hurt and been 1811 01:27:32.520 --> 01:27:36.720 dragged down. You don't know how to make these people 1812 01:27:36.800 --> 01:27:38.239 feel if they are they faces? 1813 01:27:38.319 --> 01:27:39.039 Are they heels? 1814 01:27:39.520 --> 01:27:42.479 Jay come out there, he should have been heelers. When 1815 01:27:42.560 --> 01:27:45.600 the crowd asked him to run it back, he should 1816 01:27:45.640 --> 01:27:46.920 have acted like he could have run it back and 1817 01:27:46.960 --> 01:27:49.840 told him no and then started cutting his promo. That 1818 01:27:49.960 --> 01:27:52.600 would have set up the scene for when Solo came 1819 01:27:52.680 --> 01:27:55.279 out there, when La Knight came out there. Because what 1820 01:27:55.439 --> 01:27:59.399 cute the crowd is. They wanted to see the running back. 1821 01:27:59.560 --> 01:28:03.079 They want to get into that. And when you had 1822 01:28:03.199 --> 01:28:05.640 the baby who was supposed to be the babyfaces come 1823 01:28:05.680 --> 01:28:08.960 out there, they took it out on them and then 1824 01:28:09.079 --> 01:28:11.319 really want to hear nothing. It's because you got the 1825 01:28:11.399 --> 01:28:15.560 bloodlines playing. Some minutes they play faces, some minutes they 1826 01:28:15.600 --> 01:28:18.920 play heels and all of this, and then all of 1827 01:28:18.960 --> 01:28:20.279 them have been leveled down. 1828 01:28:21.399 --> 01:28:23.279 I think Jay he ain't on the level that he 1829 01:28:23.560 --> 01:28:25.319 was and one was where you could plug him in 1830 01:28:25.560 --> 01:28:28.279 as a main eventor to get you through a few months. 1831 01:28:28.920 --> 01:28:31.359 Jacob, when he was hot, it seemed like he could 1832 01:28:31.399 --> 01:28:33.760 have been somebody you could have took tight off of Roman. 1833 01:28:34.119 --> 01:28:36.840 He's not at that level no more. He just they 1834 01:28:36.880 --> 01:28:37.359 got him. 1835 01:28:37.239 --> 01:28:39.399 Stereotype and somebody come out there and go tongue and 1836 01:28:39.439 --> 01:28:44.159 grip gonna shake and that's it. And you know, you 1837 01:28:44.279 --> 01:28:47.479 got the three baby faces trying to make up for it. 1838 01:28:47.560 --> 01:28:48.119 You got l. A. 1839 01:28:48.279 --> 01:28:52.840 Knight cutting promos. That makes sense, and he's trying to 1840 01:28:52.920 --> 01:28:54.520 win it back and trying to get him back. 1841 01:28:54.640 --> 01:28:55.239 He's doing it. 1842 01:28:55.760 --> 01:28:58.159 He's doing so much work just to get it. 1843 01:28:58.199 --> 01:29:02.159 Back to a level playing field, even because again I 1844 01:29:02.359 --> 01:29:04.640 like so I like the character that they introduce it 1845 01:29:04.680 --> 01:29:09.159 with him. They're funny stuff and stuff like that, but 1846 01:29:10.439 --> 01:29:13.000 he don't do it in such a a joking way 1847 01:29:13.079 --> 01:29:15.800 that you put him on the level with the damn housing. 1848 01:29:16.079 --> 01:29:18.159 But he knew it in a way that feeds him 1849 01:29:18.800 --> 01:29:19.840 and that worked. 1850 01:29:20.279 --> 01:29:24.840 But he was working from ah such like like your 1851 01:29:24.920 --> 01:29:28.279 twenty points behind and stuff like that, and you're trying 1852 01:29:28.319 --> 01:29:30.279 to come back and you get right there, you're like 1853 01:29:30.840 --> 01:29:32.680 four points, but you're tied out and. 1854 01:29:32.760 --> 01:29:35.319 You know, missed PHO shots in the row, and uh, 1855 01:29:36.039 --> 01:29:37.920 you can't just bring it all the way back. And 1856 01:29:38.039 --> 01:29:42.039 then the L. A. 1857 01:29:42.159 --> 01:29:47.319 Knight's like the like the highlight of logic and he's 1858 01:29:47.439 --> 01:29:50.640 like just speaking the truth. He's the most clear cut 1859 01:29:50.760 --> 01:29:54.920 baby face. Rayce Kyds has done nothing wrong, but he's 1860 01:29:55.000 --> 01:29:57.279 running to the ring to zero crowd reaction. It's just 1861 01:29:57.439 --> 01:30:00.760 sad Jacob I two hot a thing not that long 1862 01:30:00.800 --> 01:30:03.600 ago right there with Ova, and now he's doing his 1863 01:30:03.720 --> 01:30:05.159 bit and the fans want to cheer him, and then 1864 01:30:05.159 --> 01:30:07.000 there's something inside going. I don't think we're supposed to, 1865 01:30:07.119 --> 01:30:10.159 so we won't. The USO's want to see it running back. 1866 01:30:10.199 --> 01:30:14.439 We want the communal experience, and they're doing it, and 1867 01:30:14.479 --> 01:30:16.159 then they're not doing it. It's just like I that's 1868 01:30:16.199 --> 01:30:18.640 why I say they they've lost their way. They don't 1869 01:30:18.720 --> 01:30:24.079 know what they're doing anymore. It it feels like everybody 1870 01:30:24.119 --> 01:30:27.840 who knew how this business work got replaced by a 1871 01:30:27.880 --> 01:30:31.640 bunch of people who are like armchair quarterbacks who have 1872 01:30:31.760 --> 01:30:34.359 listened to really bad podcast analysis of wrestling for the 1873 01:30:34.479 --> 01:30:38.720 last ten years and are doing everything wrong. I mean, 1874 01:30:38.760 --> 01:30:41.439 I don't know what to say. They're infatuated with Let 1875 01:30:41.520 --> 01:30:45.039 the fans decide like that's some some point of pride 1876 01:30:45.359 --> 01:30:50.039 and the crowd response tonight should be the defense. I 1877 01:30:50.079 --> 01:30:53.000 mean it should have been obviously before this, But like, 1878 01:30:53.319 --> 01:30:55.359 you can't do what they're doing with that six man tag. 1879 01:30:55.800 --> 01:30:58.560 It's it's a dragon Roman, It's a dragon Seth. It's 1880 01:30:58.600 --> 01:31:00.680 a drag on all the baby faces. All six baby 1881 01:31:00.720 --> 01:31:03.560 faces basically in this for all the reasons you said, Well, 1882 01:31:03.600 --> 01:31:06.239 I I just don't know what to say. Saddler says 1883 01:31:06.279 --> 01:31:09.560 Solo is funny. Yeah, I gotta say. 1884 01:31:09.600 --> 01:31:12.079 I thought Solo was on fire tonight. Yeah, I mean, 1885 01:31:12.319 --> 01:31:15.720 but but to Drell's point, he started out so far behind. 1886 01:31:15.800 --> 01:31:19.079 When he came, the crowd booed because last time we 1887 01:31:19.079 --> 01:31:21.000 saw him he was a heel. When did he turn 1888 01:31:21.159 --> 01:31:24.720 face like it was? It was pretty confusing, But he 1889 01:31:24.880 --> 01:31:27.239 actually like managed to like get a lot of the 1890 01:31:27.359 --> 01:31:28.960 crowd on his side. 1891 01:31:29.479 --> 01:31:31.600 So the thing is is, Paul, he was getting the 1892 01:31:31.640 --> 01:31:33.239 crowd on his side, but you could see the fans 1893 01:31:33.239 --> 01:31:36.359 I was looking at him, They're going, I kind of 1894 01:31:36.439 --> 01:31:37.960 like this guy, but I like, I'm supposed to cheer him, 1895 01:31:38.319 --> 01:31:40.319 or I kind of like this guy, but I also 1896 01:31:40.399 --> 01:31:43.039 kind of like the usos. I kind of want to cheer, 1897 01:31:43.079 --> 01:31:45.560 but let me process what I'm supposed to do. Like 1898 01:31:46.119 --> 01:31:50.359 there's no just natural reaction that just flows because there's 1899 01:31:50.439 --> 01:31:53.720 this headwind of I like Solo, He's funny. Oh wait, 1900 01:31:53.840 --> 01:31:55.760 but he said aimed it at Jay and I like Jay. 1901 01:31:56.920 --> 01:32:02.560 It is constant like a I don't know anymore. 1902 01:32:02.760 --> 01:32:03.600 I just don't agree. 1903 01:32:03.840 --> 01:32:06.800 No seven eleven says it feels very disconnected right now. 1904 01:32:07.800 --> 01:32:10.399 People want to see Jacob kick them, but but they 1905 01:32:10.399 --> 01:32:12.560 don't want to see him kick La Knights. But I 1906 01:32:12.640 --> 01:32:13.880 mean what exactly. 1907 01:32:15.000 --> 01:32:18.479 Yeah, good fella cheer the usso's entrance, but Booth their inwork. 1908 01:32:18.720 --> 01:32:23.239 Solo's turn should be organic and it feels so forced. Yeah, yeah, 1909 01:32:24.119 --> 01:32:27.800 but I agree Solos hilarious. Yeah, I mean, you know, 1910 01:32:28.000 --> 01:32:32.000 it's yeah, there's yeah, there's places for Solo's character, but 1911 01:32:32.520 --> 01:32:35.399 I don't know, and you know, dous is going you 1912 01:32:35.439 --> 01:32:37.640 should you know, I don't know, Like there's there's this 1913 01:32:37.720 --> 01:32:40.279 storyline here and it's like, yeah, I'm sure there's like 1914 01:32:40.760 --> 01:32:43.800 aspects of it where if you're kind of hung up 1915 01:32:43.840 --> 01:32:47.199 on like oh people are so they're so enthralled if 1916 01:32:47.199 --> 01:32:49.399 you're if you're if you're super enthralled with the blood 1917 01:32:49.399 --> 01:32:51.680 line and what's who's going to be in it and 1918 01:32:51.760 --> 01:32:54.960 who's not, then they're hitting some storyline beats. But that's 1919 01:32:55.800 --> 01:32:59.279 that's not what people care about. I mean, it's not 1920 01:32:59.479 --> 01:33:01.000 it's not that they don't care, but they don't they 1921 01:33:01.119 --> 01:33:02.600 care more about They just want to see All Night, 1922 01:33:02.640 --> 01:33:04.960 want a match, They want to cheer them usos against 1923 01:33:05.000 --> 01:33:06.399 two heels. They want to cheer them. I don't see 1924 01:33:06.439 --> 01:33:08.840 Jacob hat two kick ass against a heel who has 1925 01:33:08.880 --> 01:33:14.600 a coming and instead they're just anyway and and the usas. 1926 01:33:14.720 --> 01:33:17.239 I thought it was interesting that they were still seemingly 1927 01:33:17.720 --> 01:33:21.359 attempting to recruit Solo. Yes, he was hinting that, oh, 1928 01:33:21.399 --> 01:33:23.880 and you're not the real bloodline without me, and you're 1929 01:33:23.960 --> 01:33:26.720 saying run this player else do they realize that they're 1930 01:33:26.840 --> 01:33:29.039 like wrestling each other in a couple of nights. I mean, 1931 01:33:29.359 --> 01:33:31.319 Solo has chosen and one. 1932 01:33:31.199 --> 01:33:33.239 Of the stakes, what like, can we talk about the 1933 01:33:33.319 --> 01:33:35.960 match and the outcome? It's just like this is soap 1934 01:33:36.000 --> 01:33:41.760 opera of personalities and and but it's not like like 1935 01:33:42.359 --> 01:33:45.359 like what is what is the six man take team 1936 01:33:45.399 --> 01:33:48.439 match for? That's why if you go back to every critique, 1937 01:33:48.439 --> 01:33:51.239 every sort of suggestion for the illustrated purposes that I 1938 01:33:51.319 --> 01:33:53.840 made about how they could do it differently, It's all 1939 01:33:53.880 --> 01:33:58.359 about making the outcome of the match what people think. 1940 01:33:58.600 --> 01:34:00.319 My god, I need to be there to see what happens. 1941 01:34:00.520 --> 01:34:04.279 It's game seven of of you know, a NHL series 1942 01:34:04.359 --> 01:34:06.760 or NBA series. It's it's a playoff game between a 1943 01:34:07.279 --> 01:34:09.479 sixteen to one team and a fifteen and two team, 1944 01:34:10.800 --> 01:34:13.079 and it's like, who's who's going to be eliminated after 1945 01:34:13.159 --> 01:34:15.359 having that good of a season, you know, like I 1946 01:34:15.479 --> 01:34:17.079 need to tune in to see the thrill of victory, 1947 01:34:17.119 --> 01:34:19.399 the agony of defeat. I want to see the celebration, 1948 01:34:19.520 --> 01:34:21.920 but I also want to see the sidelines when that start. 1949 01:34:22.039 --> 01:34:23.640 There's two star quarterbacks and one of them is not 1950 01:34:23.640 --> 01:34:25.239 going to make it past the wild card game or 1951 01:34:25.880 --> 01:34:28.800 to the super Bowl. Like, they're not talking about the outcome. 1952 01:34:29.039 --> 01:34:31.680 They just want you to have a communal experience. Boom 1953 01:34:31.680 --> 01:34:34.199 and cheer ring entrance or cheer ring entrance, and then 1954 01:34:34.199 --> 01:34:36.279 boom and they get to the ring apparently, and then 1955 01:34:36.439 --> 01:34:38.479 and then pop for high spots and say get the 1956 01:34:38.560 --> 01:34:40.760 tables and this is awesome. They've lost sight of what 1957 01:34:40.880 --> 01:34:42.800 this is about, which is selling people on the idea 1958 01:34:42.880 --> 01:34:45.880 that in the world that we're pulling you into, you 1959 01:34:45.920 --> 01:34:48.520 should care about the outcome. So what matters about this 1960 01:34:48.640 --> 01:34:50.840 six man tag? Anybody talking? 1961 01:34:50.880 --> 01:34:53.640 No matter who wins or loses, all six men are 1962 01:34:53.720 --> 01:34:55.600 going to be in the exact same position next. 1963 01:34:56.039 --> 01:34:59.520 Yes, yes, it ain't gonna raise nobody, ain't gon raise 1964 01:34:59.600 --> 01:35:02.000 nobody down. They didn't even talk about it if they 1965 01:35:02.039 --> 01:35:04.199 don't care about it in the main event. That's why 1966 01:35:04.239 --> 01:35:06.920 I asked question, did you know that was a title match? 1967 01:35:07.039 --> 01:35:08.800 It was a grudge match that you've got somebody to 1968 01:35:08.840 --> 01:35:11.439 come out. I can raisee Betty, you and I own you, 1969 01:35:11.720 --> 01:35:13.079 but we thankful. 1970 01:35:12.760 --> 01:35:16.520 For the title. So this match don't mean anything. I know. 1971 01:35:17.199 --> 01:35:19.439 The Knight tried to bring it and said, well, we're 1972 01:35:19.439 --> 01:35:22.000 gonna try to put that bloodline down and put it 1973 01:35:22.119 --> 01:35:25.479 a sleep. He tried to make it mean something, but 1974 01:35:25.880 --> 01:35:29.319 we only had one person out of six trying to 1975 01:35:29.520 --> 01:35:30.680 make a story out of it. 1976 01:35:33.000 --> 01:35:36.039 By the way, Eli's I'm complimenting La so much so 1977 01:35:36.079 --> 01:35:38.720 I want to take a fun, playful dig on him. 1978 01:35:39.000 --> 01:35:40.640 You know, there's always like the slip on the ropes 1979 01:35:40.640 --> 01:35:42.439 of the one botch move per match. He's keeping a 1980 01:35:42.439 --> 01:35:44.159 streak alive on promos too, Like he just like he 1981 01:35:44.199 --> 01:35:45.680 slipped up on one of his words and he kind 1982 01:35:45.680 --> 01:35:48.359 of had to. Like it's sort of the obligator. I've 1983 01:35:48.720 --> 01:35:51.479 done the bit for decades, the obligatory mid match shinlock 1984 01:35:51.520 --> 01:35:53.520 for Randy Orton, Like it's just he has to go 1985 01:35:53.680 --> 01:35:56.600 on the mat and apply a headlock mid match for 1986 01:35:56.680 --> 01:35:58.520 whatever reason. It's like he lost a bet in two 1987 01:35:58.560 --> 01:36:02.399 thousand and four and he's just he's just committed. 1988 01:36:02.039 --> 01:36:02.319 To the bit. 1989 01:36:04.319 --> 01:36:06.640 And you know, they say the night there's like he 1990 01:36:06.760 --> 01:36:08.600 was scared. You need to slip up, you need to 1991 01:36:08.640 --> 01:36:10.880 slip up one batch spot of the ring. One watch 1992 01:36:11.079 --> 01:36:14.000 line in every promo because it always he's good at recovering. 1993 01:36:14.079 --> 01:36:15.760 It's no big deal. But it's just it's like, oh 1994 01:36:15.800 --> 01:36:18.239 my god, there it was. It's like a drinking game, 1995 01:36:18.239 --> 01:36:18.880 all right, go ahead. 1996 01:36:19.720 --> 01:36:22.279 Yeah, that's his that's his power. You know, they say 1997 01:36:22.319 --> 01:36:26.800 with them with with piano performers, there's two great kinds, 1998 01:36:26.880 --> 01:36:29.239 the kind that never really make mistakes and the kind 1999 01:36:29.319 --> 01:36:31.920 that makes mistakes and they just flow with it. And 2000 01:36:32.039 --> 01:36:35.000 that's what La Knight is. He makes mistakes, but he 2001 01:36:35.119 --> 01:36:38.479 doesn't let it like throw him off. He just flows 2002 01:36:38.560 --> 01:36:40.720 with it, and we flow right on with him. 2003 01:36:41.039 --> 01:36:43.439 Yep, and give him credit. 2004 01:36:43.239 --> 01:36:46.239 Because yeah, I said he need to get with soul. 2005 01:36:46.359 --> 01:36:52.680 Ruka, No, there there is in you know, even l 2006 01:36:52.680 --> 01:36:53.960 A Knight coming on me. He got a nice pop 2007 01:36:54.000 --> 01:36:56.079 and all that. But the theme of the night was 2008 01:36:56.119 --> 01:36:59.600 wrestlers kind of coming out looking around, going man, have 2009 01:36:59.680 --> 01:37:02.720 the book and left up everything I mean like that's 2010 01:37:02.720 --> 01:37:04.800 about it. I mean like they're just looking around going 2011 01:37:04.840 --> 01:37:07.680 we got you know, ten thousand plus people, and where 2012 01:37:07.680 --> 01:37:10.239 I'm not getting the reaction I'm used to Roman seth 2013 01:37:10.880 --> 01:37:14.399 la anybody language you could read it was, oh shit, 2014 01:37:15.359 --> 01:37:20.039 what's happened? Something's not right, you know. I mean, it's 2015 01:37:20.119 --> 01:37:24.239 just they need to have a post SummerSlam, you know, meeting. 2016 01:37:24.479 --> 01:37:28.199 And you know, I don't I don't get like I 2017 01:37:28.279 --> 01:37:30.079 don't do this, but like in my report, I like 2018 01:37:30.119 --> 01:37:32.800 I wrote in my raw report, I said, you know, 2019 01:37:33.279 --> 01:37:36.079 after Summer Slam, if Paula Beck and his creative team 2020 01:37:36.119 --> 01:37:37.640 still have jobs, they need to sit down and have 2021 01:37:37.720 --> 01:37:40.199 been honest discussion but what led them to this mess 2022 01:37:40.640 --> 01:37:45.119 and start really reevaluating their rationale for what they're doing 2023 01:37:45.239 --> 01:37:47.199 and shake things up? And I and I don't usually 2024 01:37:47.199 --> 01:37:48.479 say if they still have a job. I don't do 2025 01:37:48.560 --> 01:37:51.960 that to like, you know, be provocative. I just literally 2026 01:37:52.479 --> 01:37:55.600 it's just crossing my mind. They have booked themselves into 2027 01:37:55.680 --> 01:37:58.000 a position that I didn't think I would be saying 2028 01:37:58.000 --> 01:38:01.000 for a long time, which is they be looking elsewhere 2029 01:38:01.000 --> 01:38:05.359 because I have lost so much faith in this and 2030 01:38:05.479 --> 01:38:07.159 I'm not gonna go on theok that because maybe there's 2031 01:38:07.159 --> 01:38:09.880 some outside forces and all of that, but I mean 2032 01:38:10.319 --> 01:38:13.439 he's at a creative so I mean, until proven otherwise, 2033 01:38:14.159 --> 01:38:17.279 I'm starting to question whether he has what it takes 2034 01:38:17.359 --> 01:38:19.520 to be the guy that should lead this very very 2035 01:38:19.680 --> 01:38:25.720 very big international entertainment company forward. If he can't, correct course, 2036 01:38:25.720 --> 01:38:27.279 I think he should be given them a chance. But 2037 01:38:27.399 --> 01:38:30.079 he's got to give if I'm his boss, and his 2038 01:38:30.119 --> 01:38:31.840 bosses don't know what they're doing. They said Pat McFie 2039 01:38:31.880 --> 01:38:34.279 out there to say that would be ship, So you know, 2040 01:38:34.359 --> 01:38:35.920 I mean, who's gonna fix it? They got a bad GM, 2041 01:38:35.960 --> 01:38:39.520 a bad coach, bad bad assistant coaches. They're listening to 2042 01:38:39.600 --> 01:38:42.640 the internet, They're they're serving different masters. I don't know. 2043 01:38:43.800 --> 01:38:47.439 You know it well, I hope they come through and uh, 2044 01:38:48.359 --> 01:38:50.720 you know, September is a better August breast of August. 2045 01:38:50.760 --> 01:38:53.239 The temper shows that they rebound and they they just 2046 01:38:53.720 --> 01:38:55.680 book themselves and paint themselves in a corner. They didn't 2047 01:38:55.680 --> 01:38:56.720 know how to get out of it. But they still 2048 01:38:56.760 --> 01:39:01.039 know what they're doing. But I don't know, Well, I. 2049 01:39:01.159 --> 01:39:03.439 Wonder how things would have been different if a couple 2050 01:39:03.479 --> 01:39:06.239 of different things would have been booked different. Maybe if 2051 01:39:06.279 --> 01:39:10.439 you had a hot face challenging for the title, and 2052 01:39:10.560 --> 01:39:13.079 it was just about the title and nothing about meta. 2053 01:39:13.640 --> 01:39:19.239 You had a hot title a few you started telling 2054 01:39:19.319 --> 01:39:23.319 more stories with the women title and not just having 2055 01:39:23.359 --> 01:39:27.560 them be fonder to other outside stuff like Dan house 2056 01:39:27.600 --> 01:39:31.119 and stuff and all that, and just kept it simple like. 2057 01:39:31.199 --> 01:39:33.239 You did with certain other stuff before. 2058 01:39:33.840 --> 01:39:34.960 How would this be dead? 2059 01:39:35.600 --> 01:39:37.920 How how would this would have looked when you got 2060 01:39:38.000 --> 01:39:39.399 somebody that people want to fall? 2061 01:39:40.359 --> 01:39:44.199 Yeah, here's a couple of other chet comments, uh drawn. 2062 01:39:44.239 --> 01:39:46.560 Paul Rude Dog says, wait to love the analysis at 2063 01:39:46.600 --> 01:39:48.199 Randy ort lostter bet and that's why his matches are 2064 01:39:48.239 --> 01:39:48.600 so boring? 2065 01:39:50.680 --> 01:39:51.439 Is that what you said? 2066 01:39:51.560 --> 01:39:54.119 No, somebody said, But you know, it's one way to 2067 01:39:54.119 --> 01:39:56.680 look at it. Kvanti smalls, even if Knight has a 2068 01:39:56.720 --> 01:39:59.159 probobot here in there, it seems authentic and not overrehearsed. 2069 01:39:59.199 --> 01:40:03.079 He's passionate, so thing others stringing with totally agree with that. 2070 01:40:03.359 --> 01:40:03.560 Yep. 2071 01:40:05.920 --> 01:40:07.880 Set of eleven says the resurgence of the bloodline should 2072 01:40:07.880 --> 01:40:09.640 have been more of a high alert big deal that 2073 01:40:09.680 --> 01:40:11.720 should have had Cody Seth et cetera, all hands on 2074 01:40:11.840 --> 01:40:16.920 deck to stop this before it gets started again. Salle 2075 01:40:17.000 --> 01:40:19.520 Vision three says the crowd was terrible for an LA 2076 01:40:19.560 --> 01:40:22.239 crowd today. It shows how uninteresting the show currently is. 2077 01:40:23.439 --> 01:40:25.159 Cavante Small says the Canary in the coal Mine was 2078 01:40:25.199 --> 01:40:28.000 rest many forty two ticket sales. SummerSlam is the chickens 2079 01:40:28.039 --> 01:40:33.640 coming home to roost. The fall needs an overhaul. Yeah, 2080 01:40:33.920 --> 01:40:36.079 and Goodfella says it feels so weird from the way 2081 01:40:36.079 --> 01:40:38.000 he booked that XT which I loved. Obviously he had 2082 01:40:38.039 --> 01:40:40.239 to grow and evolve some, but it feels so far 2083 01:40:40.359 --> 01:40:43.720 removed from that. That's what's so puzzling about this. Saddle 2084 01:40:43.800 --> 01:40:46.119 Vision three goes, you can't blame the lack of talent either, 2085 01:40:46.119 --> 01:40:48.840 that would be stacked with current stars and potential mediamentors. 2086 01:40:48.880 --> 01:40:51.199 This is all on the bookers. 2087 01:40:52.560 --> 01:40:53.760 It's not the performances. 2088 01:40:53.960 --> 01:40:55.000 Yeah yeah, yeah. 2089 01:40:55.199 --> 01:40:57.520 Did you get them something to You gave a crowd 2090 01:40:57.600 --> 01:40:58.399 some to believe. 2091 01:40:58.680 --> 01:41:02.039 They got behind it self and Javan Emmons they were 2092 01:41:02.119 --> 01:41:05.960 behind that whole match, the whole the solution. 2093 01:41:05.720 --> 01:41:07.199 Of their problems that staring at them. In the mid 2094 01:41:07.279 --> 01:41:12.520 card throughout Baby facing people liking and Steel people want 2095 01:41:12.520 --> 01:41:14.960 to see Louise. That's the mid card formulas getting the 2096 01:41:15.119 --> 01:41:18.600 crowd reactions that the main adventures deserve to get They're 2097 01:41:18.640 --> 01:41:22.079 making it overly complicated, needlessly ye. 2098 01:41:22.279 --> 01:41:24.960 Javan Javan doing the baby face thing. 2099 01:41:25.039 --> 01:41:27.760 They told the story a couple of weeks after he said, Hey, 2100 01:41:27.800 --> 01:41:29.239 I don't want to lose no more and I'm gonna 2101 01:41:29.239 --> 01:41:31.520 do my best up out of that. 2102 01:41:33.920 --> 01:41:38.800 The rap, rap and stereo match. What do you call 2103 01:41:38.880 --> 01:41:40.319 this the best heel right now? 2104 01:41:41.399 --> 01:41:43.920 And he did something. I stopped the six one nine 2105 01:41:43.960 --> 01:41:46.560 by just grabbing the eighth word, putting it up. Get 2106 01:41:46.640 --> 01:41:51.359 you crowd booted didn't like it, upset so mad about it, 2107 01:41:51.560 --> 01:41:54.000 just so simple boom. 2108 01:41:54.199 --> 01:41:58.880 That's another thing your boy way with the Vision tonight, 2109 01:41:59.600 --> 01:42:00.439 simple beat down. 2110 01:42:00.520 --> 01:42:03.880 I'm gona beat you up, the oldest over as a 2111 01:42:04.359 --> 01:42:07.920 face after last week, I beat you up. I take 2112 01:42:08.000 --> 01:42:10.279 the chest shot, brutally beat you like that. And I 2113 01:42:10.399 --> 01:42:13.880 got heat on for me and the Vision and Maxine, 2114 01:42:14.760 --> 01:42:18.439 those three. The crowd was in all of it, the 2115 01:42:18.520 --> 01:42:21.520 whole entire time. They were reacting to what they were seeing. 2116 01:42:21.840 --> 01:42:25.399 They wasn't just giving fo years ago, this is awesome 2117 01:42:25.479 --> 01:42:28.720 fight forever. They wasn't chanting your music. They weren't saying 2118 01:42:28.760 --> 01:42:32.319 oh acknowledged me. They got into the matches and they 2119 01:42:32.399 --> 01:42:35.439 got behind these people, and they continue to push each 2120 01:42:35.560 --> 01:42:39.960 week because those three, those three matches and the people 2121 01:42:40.000 --> 01:42:42.640 in the matches the past two to three weeks have 2122 01:42:42.800 --> 01:42:46.279 been getting over each crowd each week. So, like you said, 2123 01:42:46.319 --> 01:42:47.960 they have it in the mid car, so they can 2124 01:42:48.039 --> 01:42:49.560 do it in one place, and they just need to 2125 01:42:49.640 --> 01:42:51.560 do it in the bigger futures. 2126 01:42:51.840 --> 01:42:55.760 Yep, just I mean the answer to their problems is 2127 01:42:55.800 --> 01:42:59.640 in the mid card. Just drop man aventance into that formula, 2128 01:43:00.640 --> 01:43:02.439 you know, I mean what yeah. 2129 01:43:05.199 --> 01:43:09.479 Yeah, he said. Those matches had a despicable heel and 2130 01:43:09.880 --> 01:43:12.960 the crowd felt very comfortable, you know, cheering on their 2131 01:43:13.000 --> 01:43:13.520 favorites and. 2132 01:43:13.640 --> 01:43:15.600 In a simple formula. Because they didn't, the rest of 2133 01:43:15.600 --> 01:43:16.920 is can get a bunch of Mike time Paul to 2134 01:43:17.039 --> 01:43:22.800 ruin it. I mean, there is something about wrestlings. He's understand. 2135 01:43:22.840 --> 01:43:25.479 It's why it's it's so internationally popular. You don't even 2136 01:43:25.520 --> 01:43:27.239 need to know the language to understand what's going on. 2137 01:43:27.399 --> 01:43:29.359 Ethan walks to the ring and you want to see 2138 01:43:29.399 --> 01:43:31.199 him lose, you said, walks to the ring like I 2139 01:43:31.279 --> 01:43:33.840 want to see and Javon comes out unless you find 2140 01:43:33.920 --> 01:43:37.760 him a little too much. This guy's you know, he's bouncy, 2141 01:43:37.800 --> 01:43:39.159 and he's enthusiastic, and he's. 2142 01:43:41.319 --> 01:43:43.680 He he was loving those fans like they were his 2143 01:43:43.840 --> 01:43:46.479 long lost family. Yeah, he was great. 2144 01:43:46.880 --> 01:43:51.520 Austin Theory and Maxine, they're falling. Yeah, you know you're right. Yeah, 2145 01:43:52.000 --> 01:43:53.880 And then the PDA with Austin Theory, Maxine, like, I 2146 01:43:54.000 --> 01:43:55.520 want to see that. Look at that guy he's got 2147 01:43:55.680 --> 01:43:57.399 must have had everything handed to him. Look at that, 2148 01:43:57.520 --> 01:44:01.119 Look at him, look at he's he's like, I want 2149 01:44:01.119 --> 01:44:04.119 to see him. He's flaunting, he's being you know, Mexicane, 2150 01:44:04.199 --> 01:44:07.079 being mean to Otis for every for every guy out 2151 01:44:07.119 --> 01:44:09.560 there doesn't have that perfect body, who has time for that? 2152 01:44:10.159 --> 01:44:11.600 You know whatever? All the people I don't they just 2153 01:44:11.680 --> 01:44:15.159 like you, just you have this natural and like animosity 2154 01:44:15.239 --> 01:44:19.880 and towards towards them, And I don't know, It's. 2155 01:44:19.760 --> 01:44:22.479 Just sounds a way way hotter opener than I would 2156 01:44:22.520 --> 01:44:26.920 have thought Otis and Tazawa were capable of. Ye, But 2157 01:44:27.279 --> 01:44:30.159 because people, yeah, they they they felt for Otis and 2158 01:44:30.560 --> 01:44:33.199 and who wouldn't hate, right, who wouldn't hate Austin Theory 2159 01:44:33.279 --> 01:44:35.760 with that sex st up, you know, to pre on 2160 01:44:35.880 --> 01:44:40.800 his arm, I mean gosh, and just flaunting it. Yeah, Yep, 2161 01:44:41.279 --> 01:44:43.239 it was a hot match. It could have been longer. 2162 01:44:43.319 --> 01:44:44.880 I mean, I think it was a good match, but 2163 01:44:44.960 --> 01:44:46.399 they could have gotten more out of it. The crowd 2164 01:44:46.479 --> 01:44:46.920 was into it. 2165 01:44:47.279 --> 01:44:52.520 Yep, agreed. You know that last segment you're just listening 2166 01:44:52.560 --> 01:44:54.640 to and the next one that you're waiting to listen to, 2167 01:44:54.880 --> 01:44:57.520 those can be one second apart. 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All right, drew any 2180 01:45:37.000 --> 01:45:37.600 closing words? 2181 01:45:38.279 --> 01:45:42.159 Closing words would so probably need to get with Javon 2182 01:45:42.279 --> 01:45:44.319 Evans because I think that's who they hope that you 2183 01:45:44.359 --> 01:45:44.640 would be. 2184 01:45:44.920 --> 01:45:47.800 Yeah, with the moves and he has toned down a 2185 01:45:47.880 --> 01:45:51.000 lot of the extra ness and got a little serious. 2186 01:45:51.159 --> 01:45:51.760 So he done. 2187 01:45:52.520 --> 01:45:54.960 Coming up to the main roster hasn't done him justice 2188 01:45:55.399 --> 01:45:58.079 and he ain't being all so bouncy all the time 2189 01:45:58.479 --> 01:46:00.479 and he knowing when to do it, how would do it, 2190 01:46:00.600 --> 01:46:03.800 and stuff like that. So that might be somebody they 2191 01:46:03.880 --> 01:46:07.000 need to tell her the model herself out, somebody who 2192 01:46:07.119 --> 01:46:08.399 appear level. 2193 01:46:09.359 --> 01:46:10.079 But that's it for me. 2194 01:46:10.600 --> 01:46:12.560 Great, Yeah, thanks thanks for all. I was good talking you. 2195 01:46:13.319 --> 01:46:15.479 There's some good help spots in this match tonight, some 2196 01:46:15.560 --> 01:46:17.239 good in near falls at your buy. I was buying 2197 01:46:18.079 --> 01:46:20.920 some of those matches could go either way. 2198 01:46:21.239 --> 01:46:21.399 You know. 2199 01:46:21.880 --> 01:46:26.000 It's just it's just keep it. There's a formula and 2200 01:46:26.279 --> 01:46:29.840 it is. It's just it's stop making it harder than 2201 01:46:29.880 --> 01:46:32.119 it has to be, more complicated than it has to be. 2202 01:46:33.840 --> 01:46:41.000 And that's that's the part. Yeah, m I mean when 2203 01:46:41.000 --> 01:46:42.439 I say they don't know what they're doing, I mean 2204 01:46:42.560 --> 01:46:45.239 they're kind of doing it, but they're doing it when 2205 01:46:45.279 --> 01:46:51.560 they're keeping it simple and just yeah, Like there were 2206 01:46:51.680 --> 01:46:54.119 times where I was sure Javan was about to lose, 2207 01:46:54.560 --> 01:46:57.560 and then I thought, oh, he's gonna win, and then 2208 01:46:57.560 --> 01:46:58.880 I thought it's always gonna loose and then he won, 2209 01:46:58.960 --> 01:47:04.399 you know, because that was could go either way, you know, 2210 01:47:04.560 --> 01:47:07.239 ethan a race, same thing. You know, it felt like 2211 01:47:07.359 --> 01:47:11.479 that that could have gone either way. You know, it 2212 01:47:11.760 --> 01:47:13.399 was a you know, based on where they are. You know, 2213 01:47:13.520 --> 01:47:15.199 Sol and Raquel had that going for it. It just 2214 01:47:15.279 --> 01:47:18.359 didn't you know, didn't didn't play out. But all right, 2215 01:47:18.520 --> 01:47:21.760 a few other check comments here. Uh, Jane Hartford says, 2216 01:47:22.119 --> 01:47:23.680 laid to the party here, but I loved everything about 2217 01:47:23.680 --> 01:47:28.079 the Opra Brock segment until Oba attacked security. Mister Freshman said, yeah, 2218 01:47:28.119 --> 01:47:29.960 Jay agree. They made Opal look childish and foolish for 2219 01:47:30.039 --> 01:47:33.239 attacking them for no reason. Although Michael Cole said, you 2220 01:47:33.279 --> 01:47:37.119 can't blame him? Why why why are you saying what 2221 01:47:37.159 --> 01:47:39.439 you're saying, Michael Cole? Why can we not blame him? 2222 01:47:39.800 --> 01:47:40.319 What he like? 2223 01:47:40.399 --> 01:47:42.439 What are we supposed to believe is in Michael Cole's 2224 01:47:42.479 --> 01:47:47.479 head that makes him think you can't blame Oba because 2225 01:47:47.800 --> 01:47:49.479 Brock didn't enter the ring for a way, and so 2226 01:47:49.560 --> 01:47:51.600 now he gets to beat up a cops give or take. 2227 01:47:51.760 --> 01:47:57.600 Like, ah, he wouldn't have made a great lawyer. 2228 01:47:58.079 --> 01:48:03.560 Michael Cole, Yeah, okay, I know. We've got some other 2229 01:48:03.720 --> 01:48:06.640 comments here, I wanted to throw up. Jay Harris says, 2230 01:48:06.680 --> 01:48:09.000 Bruce Pritchard's running these shows for places to figurehead like 2231 01:48:09.079 --> 01:48:10.880 Dana White as in UFC. These shows look so much 2232 01:48:10.920 --> 01:48:14.399 different than they did two years ago. Someone mentioned that 2233 01:48:14.520 --> 01:48:18.039 just watching w unreal that you know, it seems like 2234 01:48:18.119 --> 01:48:23.159 some of this stuff that that Prichard would be endorsing. Oh, 2235 01:48:23.399 --> 01:48:25.640 Jane Harford says, my I will say my casual fan 2236 01:48:25.720 --> 01:48:27.800 wife looked up when I complained about Oba's attack. She 2237 01:48:27.920 --> 01:48:29.880 said something like, well, isn't it about the fight, at 2238 01:48:29.920 --> 01:48:31.880 which point I went on a rant about heroes and villains. 2239 01:48:34.039 --> 01:48:36.000 This does feel like it's like the top stuff is 2240 01:48:36.000 --> 01:48:37.880 being booked b people who don't understand wrestling, but they 2241 01:48:37.880 --> 01:48:40.199 think they know what it's about, and then they're they're 2242 01:48:40.239 --> 01:48:47.359 just wrecking it. Let's see, uh some of them And 2243 01:48:47.399 --> 01:48:49.880 says why do the Usles and Jacob care about them anyway? 2244 01:48:49.920 --> 01:48:52.159 Don't don't shouldn't they be concerned about Roman and Seth? 2245 01:48:52.840 --> 01:48:53.039 Yeah? 2246 01:48:53.119 --> 01:48:58.279 To a degree, I mean it is, is there? Cavante 2247 01:48:58.319 --> 01:48:59.640 Small says, going through shed be in a match with 2248 01:48:59.680 --> 01:49:01.399 a strong up and coming Babyfacero, So I should be 2249 01:49:01.399 --> 01:49:03.560 feuding with Chavon Punk Roman Seth and Cody should be 2250 01:49:03.600 --> 01:49:08.680 against fresh opponents. Yeah, Seler says, I wonder how much 2251 01:49:08.720 --> 01:49:11.319 of Vince's guys like Bruce Bricherd Michael Hayes are influencing 2252 01:49:11.359 --> 01:49:13.439 bad booking. A lot of the stuff has felt vincey 2253 01:49:13.560 --> 01:49:16.319 this year. They need a book or overhaul under triple h. 2254 01:49:16.720 --> 01:49:19.399 That's why I say, you know, I mean, I'm got 2255 01:49:19.760 --> 01:49:22.920 place has a head of creative title. If he wants 2256 01:49:23.000 --> 01:49:25.399 to call me off record and explain what's really happening, 2257 01:49:25.520 --> 01:49:28.680 I can adjust and abide by the off record on 2258 01:49:28.800 --> 01:49:31.760 background only explanation. But he's had a creative in this 2259 01:49:31.880 --> 01:49:37.880 products has his his name on it. Yeah, yeah, Cavante 2260 01:49:37.920 --> 01:49:39.920 Small says, Yeah, my spidy senses tell me Bruce Bricherd 2261 01:49:39.920 --> 01:49:42.199 and Michael Hays are influencing clinging onto the bad booking. 2262 01:49:43.359 --> 01:49:44.640 What Michael hay should no better? 2263 01:49:46.119 --> 01:49:48.159 I wonder how much of that, how much of this 2264 01:49:48.319 --> 01:49:50.439 you know again, I'm stuck on my idea that I'm 2265 01:49:50.479 --> 01:49:54.640 hopeful that the bloodline turns heels. I wonder how much 2266 01:49:54.720 --> 01:49:57.840 of this is just sort of them delaying, if that's true, 2267 01:49:58.279 --> 01:50:01.520 them just delaying that too much and trying to, you know, 2268 01:50:01.680 --> 01:50:03.880 trying to take takes it. You know, if they had, 2269 01:50:04.199 --> 01:50:06.479 if they had clearly turned a month ago, I think 2270 01:50:06.640 --> 01:50:07.800 we'd be in a different place. 2271 01:50:08.399 --> 01:50:11.800 Yeah, yep, no question. I mean, and then that just 2272 01:50:11.840 --> 01:50:14.520 comes down to they're they're not doing what's best for 2273 01:50:15.399 --> 01:50:17.880 Summer Slam because they think they have something more important 2274 01:50:18.279 --> 01:50:20.159 that makes the price for paying now worth it. And 2275 01:50:20.279 --> 01:50:23.439 I mean that might that's like the best explanation. Yeah, 2276 01:50:23.760 --> 01:50:26.239 it sucks, but it's maybe the best thing I've that 2277 01:50:26.359 --> 01:50:28.880 I can you know that I've heard or can conjure up. 2278 01:50:29.159 --> 01:50:31.159 Dougy Dug says, I just finished Raw. I'm tuning into 2279 01:50:31.159 --> 01:50:33.319 the post show. That downhousing segment maybe the fringiest Raw 2280 01:50:33.359 --> 01:50:37.359 segment since they had the fake Rosie o'dno versus Trump Wrestling. Wow, 2281 01:50:38.239 --> 01:50:40.039 you know, come on, they went all in. They weren't 2282 01:50:40.239 --> 01:50:41.560 They weren't shy, they weren't bashful. 2283 01:50:43.159 --> 01:50:44.960 We got to say that. Yeah. 2284 01:50:46.319 --> 01:50:48.119 Jane Harferd says, I don't normally listen to post how 2285 01:50:48.199 --> 01:50:51.119 to finish Raw, but tonight is an exception, and I'm 2286 01:50:51.119 --> 01:50:53.760 glad I've not seen that horrible segment that everyone's talking about. 2287 01:50:55.159 --> 01:50:59.800 Uh Jay, Yes, Jay also said uh Dom can do no, 2288 01:51:00.319 --> 01:51:02.840 the match will be short. Fine, and fun. Yes, the 2289 01:51:02.920 --> 01:51:05.079 human money on a pole match Dom just you know, 2290 01:51:05.560 --> 01:51:08.760 he's Dom could be in a better spot right now. 2291 01:51:09.199 --> 01:51:12.720 He's good at this, you know, lower card comedic, sidebar 2292 01:51:13.439 --> 01:51:17.399 side world stuff. But I don't. I hope they're not 2293 01:51:17.680 --> 01:51:20.840 damaging what I think they had going, which is that 2294 01:51:20.960 --> 01:51:23.399 people might take him more seriously as somebody who could 2295 01:51:23.920 --> 01:51:27.039 hold his own at a higher level. And you know 2296 01:51:27.319 --> 01:51:30.680 they might be going too too long with him as 2297 01:51:30.800 --> 01:51:32.359 just the butt of a joke. I'm not giving up 2298 01:51:32.359 --> 01:51:35.079 on him, but it's it's it's creeping in, Like, come on, 2299 01:51:35.199 --> 01:51:38.239 he's in the early twenties. Now, let's there's something there. 2300 01:51:38.640 --> 01:51:42.279 You need fresh stars. Do something where you go, we're 2301 01:51:42.279 --> 01:51:46.600 in the DOM business at a at a where he's 2302 01:51:47.119 --> 01:51:48.359 he can he can be here or he can be 2303 01:51:48.359 --> 01:51:49.880 a face. You can do it either way. But get 2304 01:51:50.000 --> 01:51:53.359 him in the ring, having serious, longer matches for the 2305 01:51:53.560 --> 01:51:56.680 IC or US title, and build him to a point 2306 01:51:56.720 --> 01:52:02.000 where you could imagine him being an opponent for Cody 2307 01:52:02.079 --> 01:52:04.560 Rhodes a Sea I'm punk seth rawlins, like, get him 2308 01:52:04.560 --> 01:52:07.479 to that level where it's not not them moving down 2309 01:52:07.520 --> 01:52:08.960 the card to meet him, it's him moving up the 2310 01:52:09.079 --> 01:52:12.079 cart to wrestle them in a passing of the torch 2311 01:52:12.199 --> 01:52:13.199 type of situation. 2312 01:52:14.239 --> 01:52:16.479 He's I'm not a fan of Dom, like I don't 2313 01:52:16.520 --> 01:52:18.479 see the potential in him, but I have to say 2314 01:52:18.800 --> 01:52:22.680 he has really been damaged by the booking in recent months. Meant, 2315 01:52:22.960 --> 01:52:25.199 when he was, you know, wrestling John Cena a few 2316 01:52:25.239 --> 01:52:28.159 months ago, and he was at just a totally different level. 2317 01:52:28.600 --> 01:52:31.159 And they're not telling us that he is someone to 2318 01:52:31.239 --> 01:52:34.800 take seriously, that he is a threat, or or that 2319 01:52:34.960 --> 01:52:36.600 he's someone that we should invest in. 2320 01:52:37.479 --> 01:52:40.800 Yep. Then he says, this is the last old rival 2321 01:52:40.840 --> 01:52:42.560 Roman should face for a while. We need new opponents 2322 01:52:42.600 --> 01:52:46.880 for him, like Bron and Javon. Yeah, yeah, and I don't. 2323 01:52:46.960 --> 01:52:50.279 I mean, I don't know if Dom can be top level, 2324 01:52:50.319 --> 01:52:54.239 but I've seen I've seen enough glimpses. I would I would. 2325 01:52:54.600 --> 01:52:58.600 I would start protecting him a little more and moving 2326 01:52:58.680 --> 01:53:00.600 him out of just looking like he's just gonna defined 2327 01:53:00.680 --> 01:53:04.079 at a certain way. By the way, when will Jimmy 2328 01:53:04.119 --> 01:53:08.119 Hart agree to start aging he looks like he did 2329 01:53:08.159 --> 01:53:09.039 in nineteen eighty five? 2330 01:53:09.880 --> 01:53:10.600 Oh my gosh. 2331 01:53:10.720 --> 01:53:12.920 I mean, he makes good use of hair dye. I 2332 01:53:13.199 --> 01:53:13.600 give him that. 2333 01:53:13.680 --> 01:53:15.920 Well, that that's that's for sure. But I maybe he 2334 01:53:15.960 --> 01:53:18.479 always did, but like I just one of these days, 2335 01:53:18.479 --> 01:53:21.600 I just expect to go, oh, you know, it finally 2336 01:53:21.640 --> 01:53:24.079 caught up, you know, it caught up to him, you know, 2337 01:53:24.319 --> 01:53:27.000 just like you know, how old do you think he is? 2338 01:53:28.520 --> 01:53:32.239 I guess eighty four. He's eighty two. He's eighty two. 2339 01:53:32.760 --> 01:53:32.960 Wow. 2340 01:53:33.039 --> 01:53:34.800 And honestly, I mean he looks he looks like a 2341 01:53:35.359 --> 01:53:37.159 he looks like a sixty five year old trying to 2342 01:53:37.199 --> 01:53:39.479 look fifty two, you know, like that's it. But he 2343 01:53:39.600 --> 01:53:40.760 doesn't look eighty two. 2344 01:53:41.960 --> 01:53:42.159 I know. 2345 01:53:42.279 --> 01:53:44.000 Maybe if he walks, he's like, you know, has a 2346 01:53:44.039 --> 01:53:45.800 walker or something. I don't know, but he's he's like 2347 01:53:45.800 --> 01:53:48.119 he's got all the energy and all the energy. 2348 01:53:48.159 --> 01:53:48.399 Still. 2349 01:53:48.960 --> 01:53:51.800 Yeah, amazing, Paul. 2350 01:53:51.800 --> 01:53:53.159 Anything else in your notes or anything else you want 2351 01:53:53.159 --> 01:53:54.399 to bring up from the show. I'm kind of scrolling 2352 01:53:54.439 --> 01:53:55.439 through my report see if. 2353 01:53:55.319 --> 01:53:58.199 There's Yeah, I didn't want to just point out how 2354 01:53:58.319 --> 01:54:02.439 much I really enjoyed the Mysterio versus Ethan Page match. 2355 01:54:03.039 --> 01:54:06.039 You know, with a veteran like Mysterio, you think that 2356 01:54:06.680 --> 01:54:09.680 that that Ethan would kind of treat him with kid gloves, 2357 01:54:09.800 --> 01:54:13.000 would go a little soft. That was a hard hitting match, 2358 01:54:13.760 --> 01:54:18.399 and they both took some some really stiff looking shots. 2359 01:54:18.560 --> 01:54:23.520 So so I thought that was a just just a 2360 01:54:23.640 --> 01:54:26.239 treat that I didn't I didn't know I wanted, but 2361 01:54:26.359 --> 01:54:30.319 I needed that and a really big win for someone 2362 01:54:30.640 --> 01:54:32.640 who really needed it. In Ethan page. 2363 01:54:33.039 --> 01:54:36.399 Yep Uh, Dom's Cavanti Small says dom strength is his 2364 01:54:36.479 --> 01:54:38.399 character work and mic work like trick, and lately that's 2365 01:54:38.399 --> 01:54:42.920 been taken away from him. Yeah, all right, cool, uh 2366 01:54:45.039 --> 01:54:49.119 let's wrap up there. Thank you, Paul, fun conversation, appreciate 2367 01:54:49.239 --> 01:54:52.520 your callers and everyone in the chat contributing. 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