Speaker 1: Hello friends, and welcome back to the rabbit Hole. I'm
your host Stanny, and today we are talking to Beverly
Jensen about EMF. So electromagnetic fields or EMF exposure is
the often involuntary interaction between humans and invisible fields of
energy radiation produced by electricity and wireless technology. This type
of radiation comes from cell phones, Wi Fi routers, power lines,
and appliances just to like name a few. And today
Beverly Jensen, who has a PhD, is going to explain
to us what the concerns regarding these devices are, how
it impacts our health and what we can do about it.
Beverly is a health champion and promoter. A lifelong practitioner
of natural medicine, she has worked in more than thirty
countries as an international speaker, trainer and certified health coach.
She founded Women's Medicine Bowl dot Com in two thousand
and three and since twenty nineteen, her work focuses on
creating awareness of the health impacts of electromagnetic radiation from
wireless you and EMF dot Com is targeted for moms
who have historically been the family health decision makers. However,
it's a great resource for everyone. She holds a doctorate
in communication from the University of Washington, Seattle and degrees
in journalism from the University of Missouri, Columbia, and her
work in strategic communication. Has been in public health, environmental
and educational fields since nineteen ninety three. Hi, Beverly, thank
you so much for coming on the rabbit Hole.
Speaker 2: Thank you. I am intrigued by just the name.
Speaker 1: It was important because there's so much to learn. And
I feel like the more I fall down this rabbit
hole or any rabbit hole, I'm like I have I'll
never reach the bottom. Like, there's so much to know
and to learn. So what brought you to electromagnetic fields? Like,
how did you get here?
Speaker 2: I've actually have had a long history with it because
in the nineteen sixties, my dad was actually my stepdad.
My own father had passed and went to the Okinawa
as a soldier, and then he resigned from the US
Army and stayed on the civil service, and he was
among the engineers developing the first satellite communications technology for
the US Army Signal Corps and these these this technology
was developed initially by the military, and so he was
doing this and I mean and he had a workshop
at the house in the home and you know most
fathers workshops ers the tools or saws, wrenches and you know, hammers,
and the tools in my dad's workshop were a Geiger
counter and a celescope. He was an aasuring radiation and
an Every time I wanted to visit in the shop
see what was going on, I would get this speech
that if a device sends radio signals and receives radio
signals is dangerous. He would turn it off when I
came in, and he would say, we need to keep
back from it. And so this this has actually become
my mantra for this for this campaign, because I think
if we understood that the first rule is that we're
all electrical beings. I mean, every every action of ourselves
is directed by electrical impulses from the brain and from
the heart, and these man made frequencies are disrupting that.
So if we understand that every device that sends radio
signals and receives radio signals is dangerous, we're not going
to put it against our head. This is my glove
to protect my hand from this wired mouse, but we're
not going to put it against our head. We're not
going to put it in our pocket against our heart
or in our bra or carry it in the back
pocket where it's affecting the ovaries, or the men's front
pocket where it's cooking the sperm. So if we understand
that this is this is true, then we're going to
change our behaviors.
Speaker 1: Absolutely has a gotten better since the nineteen sixties, because
like obviously it was still like very new, So a
lot of people will probably just assume that they've gotten
better at protecting us from radio frequencies since then.
Speaker 2: That's a good question, as funny as you should ask.
Because and I have I give a twenty minute free
consultations to folks who want some support in this whole activity.
And I talked with one woman who said, and she
was having a severe headaches and quite ill from the technology.
This was like four years ago. And she said to me,
she said, when this first came out in the late nineties,
there was talk about how it was harmful and what
to do about that. She said, haven't they fixed it?
I said, no, it cannot be faked. I mean it's
uh yeah, it's like it's like gravity.
Speaker 3: You can't fix it, right, Thanks for going to fall anyway,
you know, what we there's things we can do, steps
we can take, but.
Speaker 2: It's it's not being improved. In fact, as the gigahertz
is increasing, Uh, it's causing a whole lot more harm
to us.
Speaker 1: Can we talk about that first thing? Let's talk about
like five G because I know that's been a huge
concern for people, especially like during COVID and like all
the conspiracies around five G. So can you talk about
like five G and kind of like what that looks
like in our society and what that's doing to us.
Speaker 2: It's, first of all, those signals can only be broadcast
a short period, short short space, so those the towers
of the poles that they will be on are going
to be like every two blocks in the city.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And what's the effect on us? It's it's going to
The few majored studies that have been done show it's
really dramatic effect. I remember one case of a couple
who lived in the top floor of an apartment building
in Sweden, and they had lived with a four G
tower on top of that apartment building for years, and
they weren't in the best of help, but they were
they were managing, and the five G was put up
there and they both became so violently ill in forty
eight hours they had to move out.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And there's there's been some studies done it. It's
like they're looking at individual cases of people who've been
exposed to this. It's it's not everywhere yet, thank heavens,
but where it is has been rolled out there. They
are doing individual studies. But the effects are much more
dramatic and quicker than the three gene the four gene.
Speaker 1: Interesting, yeah, is it just like moments? Is that wise?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it is much more intense. My main concern,
and what I'm doing is talking to moms because it's
I've actually decided that we're going to create a movement
called the ten Million Moms for Safe Tech, because it's
always been women and particular moms who have made the
family's health decisions. And it's been women who brought various
environmental issues up with the doctors and the legislators and
changed the laws like lead and paint and in secondhand smoke.
I think the example of the smoking is a good one.
It did because it was, but it took us forty
years to stop smoking. I mean is when I first
started my career in communication of public communication here, public
health communication. Every other American smoked in the seventies and
it's actually one of the most successful public health campaigns
ever anywhere, because we're now down to I think last
and the figure I saw was one and four, but
I think it's actually less than that. Now it's unusual
to see people smoking. Well.
Speaker 1: And I think it's changed though to the vaping now
so many people vape that anyway, that's a whole different topic.
Speaker 2: But yes, that's more dangerous.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't have forty years to get to get
this this technology, the MF technology under control. And the
reason I'm talking to moms the UH is that the children. Uh.
There's been research on the effects in utero effects on
the fetus when the mom's pregnant, and there's uh. De
Kun Lee, a scientist at the Kaiser Hot Spittal in Oakland,
is in a lot of studies on the effects on
the fetus and he found that the last trimester the
pregnancy is critical, that there's no radiation around the fetus,
and in the first months of life, in the first
weeks are just critical because the brain, the nervous system
is just developing and the brain is developing. And I
when I see some of the things that women are doing,
like holding a baby and they're talking on a cell phone,
and even if they've got the cell phone away from
their head, sometimes holding it away from them and it's
right next to the head of the infant. I mean,
sometimes I have to speak up. I mean, I'm sure
that this is brand new information. And if they think
I'm a tune, that's okay. Let them get one message.
Keep this away from your child is the kids don't
get a second chance.
Speaker 1: Or when you're breastfeeding and just like scrolling on your phone.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's another one. Yeah, yeah, thats.
Speaker 1: Good for your kid. But then also you're scrolling the
whole time, so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, which is no good for you and it's
very bad for the child. But so there's ten million
moms for Safe for Tech. There's been studies of social
movements that show that when three percent of the population
they now say three point five percent of the population
changes beliefs and its behaviors, that the culture shifts and
laws are changed. And I think it's up to the
public to make these changes because the fat role regulators
are not doing it. I mean, all of the studies
show the harm to people as far when the radiation
levels are far less than what the agencies, the FCC
and the agency in Europe say are safe. Those agencies
are only looking at thermal effects of radiation. How much
does it heat up brain? Well, I think there's a
good example of how much science has evolved in the
last forty and fifty years. I remember in high school
we had a friend who wanted to try out to
be a cheerleader, and she was. She was a little
bit chubby, which was uncommon in the nineteen sixties. This
was before glycophate and all the stuff that's sprayed on
fields that affected our food supply and therefore our health. Anyway,
we were all concerned. This is how ignorant we were
in the health department, not just because we were in
high school. We were actually a department of defense high
school that was way above any of the schools in
the United States. This was just the status of health
knowledge in the sixties. We were afraid that if Mandy
was tried out for became a cheerleader, that those fat
sales will turn into muscle and she would never get
rid of it. Okay, ignorant. We were about hell in
the sixties. Now this FCC standard is just as ignorant.
I mean they put water, they put sailing, a saline
solution in a plastic head, you know, mannequin head uh,
and held a cell phone an inch and a half
away from the from the mannequin uh for six minutes
and that is the stand. And then and then measured
how soon the water heated up. That was the brain
that they were considering, and that was that was two
point five g Oh. And that's got nothing to do
with today's reality, yes, and and and then that's just
talking about one cell phone. Now we are living in
a sea and ocean of of radiation around us. So
so this is the standard of the FC. See. They've
been told three times, two times by court decisions, most
recently in twenty one and earlier in twenty fifteen I
think it was twenty fifteen, and by the government office
in twenty twelve saying you need to go back and
look at the science. But they have never done it.
Speaker 1: No, because they don't want to expose it.
Speaker 2: No, they do not want us to know. This is
why it's up to the public. It's up to us consumers.
We're the victims here, you know, we're the ones using
this technology, and we can change our behaviors and we
can get more control on it. And it's going to
be up to us to do that. And this is
why the ten million moms are three percent of the
population would be just a little bit over ten million.
And when we can change that that behavior to and
there are simple solutions to this if we're just aware,
just you know, become conscious of the situation and hopefully
before people in the house are sick.
Speaker 1: Yes, So what effects are we seeing on children, like
on babies and on even older children?
Speaker 2: Oh boy, speaking of the older kids, there's one group
called I think it's it's a parent group of thirty
three thousand. They are taking Meta to court and that's
about to start soon. And that's because Facebook knew what
they were doing, or they created these algorithms to yeah,
provide the dopamine effect so that the children would stay
keep scrolling. And so parents are now taking them to
court good due to the mental health condition of their children.
Laws of school districts are also taking the platforms to
court because the schools have been overwhelmed by the mental
duress of the students. Some states, in many school districts
now are are putting into effect a ban on phones,
bell to bell from the time you arrived to the
time you leave. The phones are put away. What's very
curious about that is, yes, you don't get the notifications,
you don't get the phone calls and the text messages
during the school day. However, nobody, I mean, the Secretary
Kennedy said this war months and he also commented that
nobody's talking about this. If you take your cell phone
and it's a it's an iPhone particularly and just turn
it off and put it in your backpack by your feet,
it's still emitting radiation. And you know, and there's still
the routers and too many routers in the schools, and
and the wireless devices. Yeah, so all of this radiation
is still making the children unwell. Yeah, so that's not
so that's a good step. But we need to take
those phones and put them in a faraday cage someplace
out of the room. Get the machines in the classrooms wired.
I think it was at least fifteen years ago the
new superintendent of the Los Angeles School District went into
the classroom and measured the levels of radiation. He said,
it was like a low level microwave in that room.
And we're talking about early in this situation, when when
not everybody had their own personal notepads and laptops and
phones in their pockets. This was just what was being
used in the room. And so he wired. And Los
Angeles is the second largest school district in the United States.
He wired it. And that needs to be done wherever
these devices are being used in the schools.
Speaker 1: So what about like power lines, because like I have
power lines running through my property. What does like, how
does that affect like the radiation levels in our area.
Speaker 2: Is another issue? And you know how how much electricity
they're caring lies. It's sort of your neighborhood the neighborhood
wires or is it.
Speaker 1: It's like, it's like, so they're running We live like
in a very rural area, So we live on the
main road, but there's a rural like dirt road that
runs down one side, and so it's running the power
all the way down to all those houses down that
dirt road. So it's carrying all that electricity out.
Speaker 2: Honestly, Danny, I can't answer that. You would have to
you would have to talk to an electrician, Okay, find
out how much how much is being carried on those wires.
And yeah, I mean I remember going to a housing
development and somewhere in New Mexico years ago, and they've
just built up a whole group of beautiful homes right
under wires that were the main transformers across the state.
And I said to the to the real estate agent
whose cousin works in the zoning department, to have allowed this,
I mean, nobody should be living anywhere near that strength
of electrical transmission. Nobody. Yeah, And truly it was a
serious air to have allowed anybody to build I mean
I'm talking about right underneath them, not fifty feet.
Speaker 4: Away or you know, a mile away. I wouldn't live
within a mile of those lines. But yeah, that's but
your particular situation. Have to talk to somebody in the
city or talk to an electrician, you know.
Speaker 2: And some of these issues that we have today wouldn't
have been a problem thirty years ago because we didn't
have the additional burden we have now now because we're
everybody's got a cell phone on them and we've got
the Pew Research Center found this. I think this a
couple of years ago that the average American home has
twenty three device chips in the house sending radio sending
signals to the smart meter. That means your whole home
is just being zapped continuously. And the problem with those
smart meters is that they're pulsing so much the continuously,
and it's the pulse thing that causes so much of
the problem. And then whether if you're a refrigerator, you're
a toaster, you're a vacuum cleaner. Uh, everything now is Yeah,
there's nobody minding the gate, so any manufacturer making anything
can put a chip in it, and there's nobody saying no,
you can't do that. So oh, yes, the Barbie, the
talking Barbie has got a chip in it. She's omitting
emf uh. And I've heard and I haven't seen this,
but I know that the reliable source that they've actually
put a chip in Wyman's tampons, Like why, why, why
is such a thing necessary? Or a chip in the
baby's diaper. Are they actually going to send a message
to the parents who's got a smart walk on that
the child's diaper needs changing.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure it's coming.
Speaker 2: That's always already here. I mean they have got chips
in the baby's diapers, and then there's a chip in
a cradle. This is this is why it's so important
that the children that you we can we can quite
simply reduce this exposure by just being becoming aware of
where the chips are. Not buying anything that that will
proudly show that logo looks like a windshield wiper. Uh
and that indicates that it will connect to the internet.
If if we become aware of the risks the dangers
of this technology, then we can uh not buy those items. UH.
And if it's something that's that there's not an option,
then you talk to them, to the salespeople about whether
or not the chip can be removed and uh. And
then if you find and find out what's the return policy.
If you cannot get it help, you cannot remove it.
So so there's there's a process if we just are
aware of the risks and uh and and decide to
take the steps to reduce this exposure. And uh, I've
gone into homes. Baby monitors are among the worst offenders.
They're high high radiation levels and and I mean parents
have lived for thousands of years without electric monitors telling
them the baby needs attention, right, you know, it's just
not necessary. We had friends in Bangkok. They lived in
a very tiny apartment. If the child burned, they would
have heard it in the other from the living room,
and yet they put a baby monitor over his crib
and he became autistic. And because this is one of
the effects for the children. And another one of my
first granddaughter's playgroup, she was given an iPhone about age three,
and when we went back to Bangkok at age five,
she had leukemia. Oh these are and serious serious, I realized.
The children, Yes, because they they're so susceptible. The brain,
the skull is thinner, you know, the nervous system is developing,
and we need to we need to reduce this for
the kids. They don't get a second chance. I mean,
they do recover from autism, and then they do recover
from leukemia, but we don't want to do this to
our children.
Speaker 1: Do you think this is also contributing to the ADHD
epidemic that.
Speaker 2: We're seeing, Oh yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1: He's obviously like people will blame the food dies for ADHD,
and I do think that it is a contributing factor.
I'm not trying to say that like, it's just one thing,
it's just another thing. But can this radiation also be
contributing to the ADHD epidemic that we're seeing.
Speaker 2: Yes, it does. There was one case a reported recently.
I think he was about ten. He was a very
bright young boy, on top of his class and very popular,
and then he started behaving very erratically. If he he
didn't succeed in winning whatever they were doing, he would
have a he would have a tantrum, or he would
start cheating, you know. And so over a few months,
his children, his friends started getting away from him, moving
away from him, and it was quite a dramatic change
in personality. His parents took him to a psychologist and
the psychologist looked at the record of this child who
had no problems before, had been a star student, popular,
had no social issues. The psychologists said to the parents,
for one month, no screams, not nada, and they did
that and he became fine. Interesting, he complete complete transformation,
back returned to his former personality.
Speaker 1: Because it's not just what they're seeing on the screen,
it's also the like the device itself, So it's twofold
because they're getting the radiation from the device. And then
also whatever it is they're watching or doing on that screen.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely so, it's and the screen prevents them from
normal children's activities learn learning social skills. For one thing,
you know, I talked with one person who's homeschooling her
children and they're not using any screens at home. And
then her child invited over some of the school kids
to come over to the house to play. They came
over with their phones or notepads, and they all sat
there beside each other and we're on their notepads, and
the daughter says, this isn't fun, this isn't play, no,
you know, but that's yeah, exactly. And so the devices
are keeping them from actual social interaction. They're keeping them
from play, which is why we have obesity in the
children now, which never happened before. And they're keeping away
from nature, which would if they were out there playing
in the yard, they would begin to exercise, they'd be
learning social skills, they'd be doing physical things, and it
would it would actually reduce the load on the body
of all the radiation that they're being exposed to everyplace else.
Speaker 1: So is that because they're grounding, or because they're just
away from the devices, or both both, okay both, but I.
Speaker 2: Mean are today's shoes. Unless you're wearing leather boccasins, are barefoot,
you're not gonna get true rounding from the earth, the
Earth's negative ions unless you're wearing you know, your barefoot.
But just being up on the grass and in nature
among trees is soothing to the to the whole body soul. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I send my kids outside bear for all the time,
Like get out there, go outside and play.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's excellent for them.
Speaker 1: Speaking of grounding, does it have to be like outside
actually touching the ground, or like there's this whole I
would say, like maybe a movement of like grounding sheets
and grounding pads and grounding things that people put in
their houses or like they sleep on at night to
help them be grounded when they can't be outside all
the time, because like as adults, we are kind of
stuck in whatever our profession is doing that a lot
of the time.
Speaker 2: I'm using one of those right now, of one of
those grounding pads on the bed, and I've had a
couple of them for a few years. Very very critical
point to those. It's not a substitute for going outside
and taking off the shoes and just being on the grass.
But if you can't do that more than thirty minutes
a day and have some inflammation, this pad on the
bed can be very helpful. A critical critical point, though,
is that there's a meter with three different lights there
and you have to use that meter to make uh,
double dam, I'm sure that your wiring is grounded, yes,
or you because people have become harmed by these things
if they did not check with the meter. And the
little light meter is included in the package. When you
buy one of these things, that little meter comes with it,
and so check that before you plug one of these
things in. Uh yeah, it's critical.
Speaker 1: We have one on our bed. My husband's like a contractor,
so like he's he knows how to wire some things up.
So he made sure everything was all good before we
put plugged oars in.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, but that's not not a stiff you
can ever miss because it's it's it's key key to
it working, you know. I tell people because wiring problems
in the house can be an issue. And if you're
not going to call an electrician, there's a whole process
on how to test this. But until you do that,
I and especially if you've got a bed with metals springs.
Move your headboard about six and eight inches away from
the wall. So if there's bad wiring in the wall
in your bedroom, you're not going to You're not going
to be having a transfer over to the bed that
you're sleeping on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be scary. What are other ways?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Sorry, I don't mean to cut you off. What are
other ways that we can reduce the EMF in our
house besides like like removing our cell phones from our
sleeping areas, right, Like, that's a huge one. What are
some ways that we can reduce that EMF? Just like
in general, I.
Speaker 2: Would first invite everybody to for a list of easy
steps to take low cost or no cost on the
website You and the EMS. There's a page there about
seven key things that you can do. But there are
some some things that are more critical and should be
done faster. The first thing I've seen in almost every
home I've been into is the router sits square in
the living room by the TV, and that router should
be removed to the garage or to the least use
room in the house and then run an ethernet cord
from it. Across the house to your TV and wherever
else you're using, and just throw a rug over the cord. Now,
if you own the house, you know, or your long
term renter, then you can wire the house, which is
certainly simpler and easier. But if that's not the case,
then get the router to the least used room and
use an ethernet chord because that router is one of
the highest emitting forms of radiation. And then I take
aluminum screening. You can get a roll of aluminum screening
for ten dollars at the hardware store in the United States.
Make sure it's aluminum, because they sell many roles that
are plastic looking like screens. It has to be metal
and it's easy to work with. And I wrapped it
two or three times around the router, and then I
just staple the sides. I used to use a wire
and sort of sew it together, but I think the
stapling works just as well. And then you leave the
back open so you can get the chords into it.
I have measured and some of the routers they're unusual shapes.
Saw there was one that was had been put into
the lower level of a house. I spent summer in
and it looked like the leaning Tower of Pisa, you know,
was tall, it was slanted top, and the radiation level
was so high that when when I first came into
the house, I was having to wear shielding cape and
hat all around the house. Took a few days to
get this under control, but I reduced the radiation levels
by ninety seven percent by putting that screening material around
that router. And we still had enough upstairs for cell
phones and a couple of laptops, but I was no
longer hiding and having to wear a shielding material. Yeah. So,
and that costs ten dollars. And then you can get
a timer to make it turn off automatically an hour
before bedtime. And that's what you should do for everybody's
sleeping improvements. I think there's seventy million Americas now who
have sleep issues, and it's largely due to the uh,
the radiation levels we're living in.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. It's it's amazing how negatively our phones have
impacted us. Like everyone's like, now we're more connected. I'm like,
are we more connected? Because I feel like I don't
actually know anybody, Like.
Speaker 2: Yes, isn't that amazing? You have five thousand friends on
Facebook and not a person to call to go to
a movie.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it's crazy to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's that's a lot of the problems of
the mental health right now is that we are so
isolated on our devices. And now I think that the
AI is going to even add to that.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, it's I think it's incredible.
Speaker 2: Like the kids off AI.
Speaker 1: Well we need yeah. Well, and back to your point
about the lady that was homeschooling. We homeschool our kids
and we're we're fighting this battle right now, like just
between the two of us. We're like, do we put
them like do we use technology like an iPad or
something to teach them some things and then teach them
other things just like you know, brick and mortar, pencil
and pin, And we go back and forth because we're like, well,
if we don't give them an iPad, then they're going
to be behind. If we do give them an iPad,
then now they're on technology. So we're like, we don't
really like either option.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, let's talk about some of the effects of
these technologies on the kid's brains. There's been like forty
nine studies showing that when the young people, this is
up to age nineteen, when they read something on a
screen that they recall for it doing a test later
is dramatically less than if they read it on a book.
And the same is is of typing on a keyboard.
They will not have the retention that if they use
a pencil. And the reason is that on the paper,
especially in writing, more of the brain is engaged. So
it's it's a huge difference in the level of learning
between the screens and paper and between the keyboard and
a pen and paper. Yeah, a pensil, yeah, so yeah,
but it is a dilemma by the three grandkids in
Bangkok are not allowed any screens. I mean they get
to watch an hour of Paw Patrol when the parents
go on date night, so they can't wait for the
parents to go out. But but that's that's about it.
So what point. It's a hard balance. But another thing
is that that we need to do in the home
besides moving the router, turning it off before bed is
before going to bed is uh create have a family
discussion about UH time and spay place to use your devices? Uh.
One daughter has what a communications center right inside the
door and so when they they have to use the
phones for their work, but when they come home, they
put the phones in the communications center. So nobody's walking
around the house with a with a cell phone beaming
being the EMF the frequencies. Uh. And I've reminded the
my daughter that when their friends come over, you're going
to have to now do a search at the door
and have the kids leave their iPads and their phones
and they're smart watches in the communications center. Yeah, because
otherwise they're bringing into the house. What the family has
worked very hard. They've had building biologists come and test
the house, and they've made all the adjustments to get
the radiation levels negligible. But if then if you invite
people in, you know, they need to participate in the rules.
Speaker 1: So how long does radiation stay in the house then?
Like if okay, so they have very low radiation in
their house, they have a friend come in, they have
their cell phone, they walk through the house, whatever, they're
there for an hour, they leave. How long is that
radiation in their house?
Speaker 2: It's only there when the when the advice is there.
It's not like odors that linger for hours. No, okay, Yeah,
so has one upside there it's not a lingering thing.
But but if but we we are don't pay attention
to the fact that you turn on your phone or
your computer and you see uh networks available, I mean
uh in one apartment in d C. I think my
daughter had over one hundred networks beaming through her apartment.
Speaker 1: That's crazy, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you if you're going to protect yourself from this,
you need to be careful about where you're living. Uh,
And then managed to manage that environment very carefully.
Speaker 1: So when you I mean, I'm I'm making an assumption
here that you live in a very low radiation environment.
So when you go into an environment that is a
high radiation like that apartment you were talking about that
had the tower, and you're like, I had to shield myself.
How do you feel going from like a low radiation
Like do you notice the difference right away, like when
you're around a bunch of radiation?
Speaker 2: Yes, I do. And I've learned that I need to
avoid those situations, so I cannot. I wanted very much
to go to a very special theatrical production in Seattle
last spring. I and I mean I was I changed
my flight to be able to go to that and
then I thought, you know, I just can't go into
a theater with one hundred people who are going to
have all these devices on. I cannot do it. So
I didn't, and I I make decisions on you know,
where I'm going to shop, what day, what time of
the day is going to have the lowest levels of
population because they will all have sell modes.
Speaker 1: You know, how do you feel when that happens, Like
when you go into those situations, do you like have
a like a negative health I don't know.
Speaker 2: I will get a headache, okay, like like a vice
on my head, and I had never first time this happened,
I had never had a headache in my seventy two years.
And so I actually talked to a doctor by telemedicine
and she said, I think you should go to the er,
and so I did. And this was summer of twenty
and so they there was nobody the hospitals and in
July of twenty peopre avoiding all these places. So I
got stellar service. Yeah. So, but what I've experienced is
often right now, it'll be a headache. But I've got
a shielding beanie that I wear, and I've used a
scalar energy device for radiation protection. And I've got a
couple of cards that are useful. Nature's Frequency sells a
card that and the engineers I'm finding in this field
are all if you can't measure it, it doesn't exist. Well,
not so much.
Speaker 5: Yeah, uh, I I find that that if that some
of these cards and pendants do harmonize.
Speaker 2: Uh, the the what's around me and I and I
do feel better safer, I'm protected. But it's it's it's
it's a trial. You know, what works for one person
may not work for another. Uh, and what works for
me some years doesn't work at other times. So uh,
it's it's a it's a continuous, continuous trial.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thankes sense.
Speaker 2: I've had other other symptoms, like uh, I actually became
sensitive to the by sitting next to a router of
several hours a day, six days a week for three months.
And this router was in Mexico. And it wouldn't have
taken me three months to experience this if it's been
in the in the US, because the routers in Mexico
are a fraction of the amount of radiation as they
are in the US. But anyway, I don't know, I
don't know why there's there's actually a router designed by
an engineer in the Netherlands that the radiation levels are
ninety percent less than any router, and it shuts, it
goes to sleep when it's not in use, and you
can actually dial the down the radiator the expanse of
the router. She is not going into your neighbors. It's
called the j RS router, and it's that's just amazing.
It's possible. It's not necessary, but if you if you
wire these use an Internet cord, you're going to reduce
your level a lot.
Speaker 1: Okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 2: But anyway, after that, I went to Washington, D C.
And in the cities the towers are in disguised in architecture.
And as I walk down the street in April, it
is warm spring day, bare arms. First my skin burned, well,
first it itched, and then as I kept walking it
was begin to burn a little bit. And then I
finally must have been right in front of the tower
because my skin began to crawl. Oh my gosh. And
these are classic symptoms of non ionizing radiation. Wow. But
I think that moms and it is women who are
more affected by this than men, and even Historically, in
the earliest years, back in the seventeen and eighteen hundreds
of the earliest experiments with electricity, women were more sensitive
to the electrical currents and we still are. So it's
there's another reason why it would be moms who will
manage this for the health of themselves and particularly the
children and the husbands and the hobbies partners. They will
get the benefit of this, But it's going to be
the ten million moms who can take control of this situation.
Speaker 1: I wonder if that's why they don't think it's a problem.
It's because men don't experience it at such a drastic
like like effect as women, and so like we hear
this with like heart attacks, right with heart attacks, they're like, oh,
women experience heart attacks differently, but we just don't measure
it like that. I want to said doctor one time,
they're like, yeah, you have low testosterone, but we don't
have any testosterone settlements for women because we just don't
test women for that you don't need it, which is
actually not true. Women need testosterone, right, But like it's
so many things that like ADHD is not tested the
same in men and women, but they only test it
the way that they would test it for men, so
women are underdiagnosed. This happens. I mean, we could go
down the list of all the things that women are
underdiagnosed for because they don't test it this like women
and men are different, and you have to test women
in a different way than men. So then they're like, oh, well,
we tested all these men and they don't have any
effects of this radiation, so it's not a problem, when
in reality, the women are the ones that are suffering.
Speaker 2: Yes, and it's interesting only if the man is already sufferings.
Has he called me to do a test in the house,
and you're correct, is that it's women. We were the
ones who got the autoimmune disease is a whole lot
more than men, and we're just a whole lot more
environmentally sensitive. And the men are not very supportive. I
mean they will they will go along with it because
the wife wants this way, and he wants to protect
the children. Also, he goes along with it, but he
doesn't he doesn't separate himself from the group when he's
gonna get a long telephone call. Yeah, you know, so
there's small personal habits that he doesn't participate in. There's
actually two books written I think about ten years ago
now on women's health and how we have been ignored,
and uh, it's it's fascinating. The funniest situate men get
more research. The men are the researchers. And anyway, the
one that I remembered the most ridiculous hilarious was they
tested a a particular treatment for women and all the
subjects and the test were male. Yeah. Can you imagine
do a test for prostate cancer and and all the
subjects who are they tested on were women?
Speaker 1: Right, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's totally crazy.
Speaker 1: It's like menopause. They're like, oh, it's menopause support, let's
test all these men. And they're like, we don't even
go through menopause.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's crazy. I want to remind your
listeners go to for for three things they could do today.
Uh to go to the website you OIO, you A
and D and E m F dot com and there's
a simple list there things you can do that are
no cost or low cost and you can do them
immediately that will reduce your exposure. And then join join
the movement. There will be a place there for join
joining it, and then tell a couple of friends, you know,
because when we get the mass number we can, we will.
Then you won't hear people around you saying I never
heard of the e MS. What is that? Right?
Speaker 1: And I'll link all that. I'll link the website in
the show notes. That way, it's super easy. People can
just click on it and go straight there. You can
see everything that you need, you can join the movement,
you can see what you can do to reduce the
EMF exposure in your family and your life, because it
is really important.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's affecting all of us, whether I always
say whether you're feeling.
Speaker 1: It or not yet, because you will.
Speaker 2: You will, yeah, yeah, right now. I don't know how
soon you're going to have this up, but there's a
bill in the House of Representatives twenty bill number twenty
two eighty nine. I am encouraging on all the podcasts
I'm talking on to call your legislators and tell them
you do not want this bill because it would it
would it would prohibit the input from cities, and that
means all the citizens of those cities on where and
how many cell towers can be set up. So if
this bill is pas asked number twenty two eighty nine.
If it's passed, Telecom has a cotted launch to put
a cell tower out on your street five feet from
your bedroom, can be in the in the school yard,
in the park where you go for recovery from all this,
and the cities won't have any recourse. It takes away
all the authority that we had we have had on
managing this. So it's a really destructive, destructive bill. I
don't know how soon. I mean, Telecom wants to get
it out on the floor real fast before the public,
you know, can respond. But I've been saying there's an
organization called the National Call dot org as organized by
an attorney in New York City, and she tracks all
of these bills, now fifty of them in Congress, in
the committees by Telecom. She tracks them and and has
it set up so you can make punch a button
on your computer and make a phone call to your
your legislator, and it's like two minutes of your time,
and it can make a huge difference. I was I'm
part of an an activist group, and an attorney in
that group who usually is representing cities, he said, and
he usually wins. But he said, I can only let
argue for the for the laws. He said, you meaning
the public, and I say it's the women are the
ones who can affect what those laws are. It's critical
because he says, I can't I can't protect, I can't
defend the city, represent the cities. Uh and uh in
these court cases, if the law says they have cart
de launch, they can put it up wherever they want to.
So uh, it's it's real, real important that we participated. Yeah,
it's the national call dot org. Okay, and maybe maybe
on that Yeah, yeah, because it's we need, we need
to participate in this. Yeah, to manage it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, got to do something because they are just doing
whatever they want. It feels like they've got free range
to do whatever they want.
Speaker 2: So well they will legally have free range if this
bill gets passed. Yeah, I mean, uh, I mean there
were ninety bills in the last Congress, only four got passed.
One of them was pretty bad, allowing cell towers in
the national parks. So so the the moose and the
bears and everything's gonna be subjected to this. Yeah, it
already is to some point, but it can get worse.
Speaker 1: But of course they're gonna like dress it up as well.
Now you can post your National Park pictures while you're
in the National Park. You're like, that's not the point.
I think the point is to be off our phones
and enjoy.
Speaker 2: Nature exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: Be really, thank you so much for coming on and
explaining this to us. I really appreciate it. I feel
like I learned a lot. I'm sure my listeners learned
a lot. So thank you.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me Danny. It's been
a pleasure.
Speaker 1: Until next week, my friends, Stay Skeptical, and I will
see you all then.
Speaker 2: Hey.
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