1 00:00:19,679 --> 00:00:21,839 Speaker 1: Hello friends, and welcome back to the rabbit Hole. I'm 2 00:00:21,839 --> 00:00:24,519 your host Stanny, and today we are talking to Beverly 3 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:29,519 Jensen about EMF. So electromagnetic fields or EMF exposure is 4 00:00:29,559 --> 00:00:34,119 the often involuntary interaction between humans and invisible fields of 5 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:39,520 energy radiation produced by electricity and wireless technology. This type 6 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,280 of radiation comes from cell phones, Wi Fi routers, power lines, 7 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,159 and appliances just to like name a few. And today 8 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,960 Beverly Jensen, who has a PhD, is going to explain 9 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,439 to us what the concerns regarding these devices are, how 10 00:00:52,439 --> 00:00:54,759 it impacts our health and what we can do about it. 11 00:00:55,079 --> 00:00:58,880 Beverly is a health champion and promoter. A lifelong practitioner 12 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,840 of natural medicine, she has worked in more than thirty 13 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,319 countries as an international speaker, trainer and certified health coach. 14 00:01:05,799 --> 00:01:09,079 She founded Women's Medicine Bowl dot Com in two thousand 15 00:01:09,079 --> 00:01:12,840 and three and since twenty nineteen, her work focuses on 16 00:01:12,879 --> 00:01:17,799 creating awareness of the health impacts of electromagnetic radiation from 17 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,840 wireless you and EMF dot Com is targeted for moms 18 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:26,439 who have historically been the family health decision makers. However, 19 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,719 it's a great resource for everyone. She holds a doctorate 20 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,719 in communication from the University of Washington, Seattle and degrees 21 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:37,680 in journalism from the University of Missouri, Columbia, and her 22 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,560 work in strategic communication. Has been in public health, environmental 23 00:01:41,599 --> 00:01:45,640 and educational fields since nineteen ninety three. Hi, Beverly, thank 24 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:47,359 you so much for coming on the rabbit Hole. 25 00:01:48,959 --> 00:01:51,879 Speaker 2: Thank you. I am intrigued by just the name. 26 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: It was important because there's so much to learn. And 27 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:58,439 I feel like the more I fall down this rabbit 28 00:01:58,439 --> 00:02:01,200 hole or any rabbit hole, I'm like I have I'll 29 00:02:01,239 --> 00:02:04,840 never reach the bottom. Like, there's so much to know 30 00:02:04,959 --> 00:02:09,800 and to learn. So what brought you to electromagnetic fields? Like, 31 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:10,879 how did you get here? 32 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 2: I've actually have had a long history with it because 33 00:02:20,039 --> 00:02:25,240 in the nineteen sixties, my dad was actually my stepdad. 34 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:30,000 My own father had passed and went to the Okinawa 35 00:02:30,319 --> 00:02:35,360 as a soldier, and then he resigned from the US 36 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:40,800 Army and stayed on the civil service, and he was 37 00:02:41,039 --> 00:02:48,560 among the engineers developing the first satellite communications technology for 38 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:53,120 the US Army Signal Corps and these these this technology 39 00:02:53,319 --> 00:03:00,240 was developed initially by the military, and so he was 40 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,919 doing this and I mean and he had a workshop 41 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,039 at the house in the home and you know most 42 00:03:06,319 --> 00:03:12,080 fathers workshops ers the tools or saws, wrenches and you know, hammers, 43 00:03:12,439 --> 00:03:16,479 and the tools in my dad's workshop were a Geiger 44 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:22,879 counter and a celescope. He was an aasuring radiation and 45 00:03:22,879 --> 00:03:25,439 an Every time I wanted to visit in the shop 46 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,680 see what was going on, I would get this speech 47 00:03:29,319 --> 00:03:33,599 that if a device sends radio signals and receives radio 48 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,439 signals is dangerous. He would turn it off when I 49 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,199 came in, and he would say, we need to keep 50 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:44,319 back from it. And so this this has actually become 51 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:49,080 my mantra for this for this campaign, because I think 52 00:03:49,159 --> 00:03:53,199 if we understood that the first rule is that we're 53 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:59,560 all electrical beings. I mean, every every action of ourselves 54 00:03:59,639 --> 00:04:03,680 is directed by electrical impulses from the brain and from 55 00:04:03,759 --> 00:04:09,400 the heart, and these man made frequencies are disrupting that. 56 00:04:10,319 --> 00:04:16,000 So if we understand that every device that sends radio 57 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:20,199 signals and receives radio signals is dangerous, we're not going 58 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:24,120 to put it against our head. This is my glove 59 00:04:24,199 --> 00:04:29,680 to protect my hand from this wired mouse, but we're 60 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,160 not going to put it against our head. We're not 61 00:04:32,199 --> 00:04:35,120 going to put it in our pocket against our heart 62 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:39,519 or in our bra or carry it in the back 63 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:44,360 pocket where it's affecting the ovaries, or the men's front 64 00:04:44,439 --> 00:04:50,240 pocket where it's cooking the sperm. So if we understand 65 00:04:50,399 --> 00:04:56,319 that this is this is true, then we're going to 66 00:04:56,439 --> 00:04:57,480 change our behaviors. 67 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: Absolutely has a gotten better since the nineteen sixties, because 68 00:05:01,959 --> 00:05:06,839 like obviously it was still like very new, So a 69 00:05:06,879 --> 00:05:10,040 lot of people will probably just assume that they've gotten 70 00:05:10,079 --> 00:05:13,199 better at protecting us from radio frequencies since then. 71 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,079 Speaker 2: That's a good question, as funny as you should ask. 72 00:05:17,519 --> 00:05:22,319 Because and I have I give a twenty minute free 73 00:05:22,399 --> 00:05:27,399 consultations to folks who want some support in this whole activity. 74 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,439 And I talked with one woman who said, and she 75 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:37,279 was having a severe headaches and quite ill from the technology. 76 00:05:37,439 --> 00:05:40,920 This was like four years ago. And she said to me, 77 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,920 she said, when this first came out in the late nineties, 78 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:51,399 there was talk about how it was harmful and what 79 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,680 to do about that. She said, haven't they fixed it? 80 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:02,360 I said, no, it cannot be faked. I mean it's 81 00:06:02,879 --> 00:06:05,959 uh yeah, it's like it's like gravity. 82 00:06:06,399 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 3: You can't fix it, right, Thanks for going to fall anyway, 83 00:06:12,399 --> 00:06:15,800 you know, what we there's things we can do, steps 84 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:17,360 we can take, but. 85 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 2: It's it's not being improved. In fact, as the gigahertz 86 00:06:23,959 --> 00:06:30,120 is increasing, Uh, it's causing a whole lot more harm 87 00:06:30,199 --> 00:06:30,839 to us. 88 00:06:31,319 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: Can we talk about that first thing? Let's talk about 89 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,000 like five G because I know that's been a huge 90 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,560 concern for people, especially like during COVID and like all 91 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,279 the conspiracies around five G. So can you talk about 92 00:06:42,319 --> 00:06:44,759 like five G and kind of like what that looks 93 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:49,600 like in our society and what that's doing to us. 94 00:06:50,199 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 2: It's, first of all, those signals can only be broadcast 95 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:02,120 a short period, short short space, so those the towers 96 00:07:02,199 --> 00:07:04,879 of the poles that they will be on are going 97 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:06,959 to be like every two blocks in the city. 98 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:07,959 Speaker 1: Uh. 99 00:07:08,319 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 2: And what's the effect on us? It's it's going to 100 00:07:16,199 --> 00:07:21,480 The few majored studies that have been done show it's 101 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:27,759 really dramatic effect. I remember one case of a couple 102 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,439 who lived in the top floor of an apartment building 103 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,079 in Sweden, and they had lived with a four G 104 00:07:35,319 --> 00:07:39,519 tower on top of that apartment building for years, and 105 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:41,920 they weren't in the best of help, but they were 106 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:46,839 they were managing, and the five G was put up 107 00:07:46,839 --> 00:07:51,360 there and they both became so violently ill in forty 108 00:07:51,399 --> 00:07:53,000 eight hours they had to move out. 109 00:07:53,439 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. 110 00:07:55,240 --> 00:08:00,759 Speaker 2: Yeah. And there's there's been some studies done it. It's 111 00:08:00,839 --> 00:08:04,480 like they're looking at individual cases of people who've been 112 00:08:04,519 --> 00:08:10,480 exposed to this. It's it's not everywhere yet, thank heavens, 113 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:15,759 but where it is has been rolled out there. They 114 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:20,600 are doing individual studies. But the effects are much more 115 00:08:21,839 --> 00:08:28,680 dramatic and quicker than the three gene the four gene. 116 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: Interesting, yeah, is it just like moments? Is that wise? 117 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:40,759 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it is much more intense. My main concern, 118 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:46,919 and what I'm doing is talking to moms because it's 119 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,559 I've actually decided that we're going to create a movement 120 00:08:52,039 --> 00:08:56,399 called the ten Million Moms for Safe Tech, because it's 121 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:01,600 always been women and particular moms who have made the 122 00:09:01,639 --> 00:09:07,360 family's health decisions. And it's been women who brought various 123 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:13,639 environmental issues up with the doctors and the legislators and 124 00:09:13,799 --> 00:09:20,679 changed the laws like lead and paint and in secondhand smoke. 125 00:09:23,879 --> 00:09:30,200 I think the example of the smoking is a good one. 126 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:35,159 It did because it was, but it took us forty 127 00:09:35,279 --> 00:09:41,039 years to stop smoking. I mean is when I first 128 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:46,879 started my career in communication of public communication here, public 129 00:09:46,919 --> 00:09:53,600 health communication. Every other American smoked in the seventies and 130 00:09:54,919 --> 00:09:58,720 it's actually one of the most successful public health campaigns 131 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:03,679 ever anywhere, because we're now down to I think last 132 00:10:03,759 --> 00:10:05,559 and the figure I saw was one and four, but 133 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,679 I think it's actually less than that. Now it's unusual 134 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:10,639 to see people smoking. Well. 135 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 1: And I think it's changed though to the vaping now 136 00:10:13,399 --> 00:10:16,759 so many people vape that anyway, that's a whole different topic. 137 00:10:16,799 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 2: But yes, that's more dangerous. 138 00:10:20,799 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, but. 139 00:10:25,879 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't have forty years to get to get 140 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:37,080 this this technology, the MF technology under control. And the 141 00:10:37,159 --> 00:10:44,480 reason I'm talking to moms the UH is that the children. Uh. 142 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:49,799 There's been research on the effects in utero effects on 143 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:55,320 the fetus when the mom's pregnant, and there's uh. De 144 00:10:55,519 --> 00:11:01,159 Kun Lee, a scientist at the Kaiser Hot Spittal in Oakland, 145 00:11:01,879 --> 00:11:04,039 is in a lot of studies on the effects on 146 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:11,440 the fetus and he found that the last trimester the 147 00:11:11,519 --> 00:11:17,440 pregnancy is critical, that there's no radiation around the fetus, 148 00:11:17,759 --> 00:11:20,879 and in the first months of life, in the first 149 00:11:20,919 --> 00:11:25,799 weeks are just critical because the brain, the nervous system 150 00:11:25,919 --> 00:11:32,519 is just developing and the brain is developing. And I 151 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,200 when I see some of the things that women are doing, 152 00:11:37,399 --> 00:11:42,080 like holding a baby and they're talking on a cell phone, 153 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:44,519 and even if they've got the cell phone away from 154 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:48,399 their head, sometimes holding it away from them and it's 155 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,200 right next to the head of the infant. I mean, 156 00:11:51,279 --> 00:11:54,399 sometimes I have to speak up. I mean, I'm sure 157 00:11:54,399 --> 00:11:59,120 that this is brand new information. And if they think 158 00:11:59,159 --> 00:12:03,000 I'm a tune, that's okay. Let them get one message. 159 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,759 Keep this away from your child is the kids don't 160 00:12:06,759 --> 00:12:07,840 get a second chance. 161 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: Or when you're breastfeeding and just like scrolling on your phone. 162 00:12:12,279 --> 00:12:18,279 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's another one. Yeah, yeah, thats. 163 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: Good for your kid. But then also you're scrolling the 164 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:20,360 whole time, so. 165 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:25,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, which is no good for you and it's 166 00:12:25,399 --> 00:12:29,720 very bad for the child. But so there's ten million 167 00:12:29,799 --> 00:12:35,039 moms for Safe for Tech. There's been studies of social 168 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,759 movements that show that when three percent of the population 169 00:12:38,919 --> 00:12:42,919 they now say three point five percent of the population 170 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:49,000 changes beliefs and its behaviors, that the culture shifts and 171 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:55,279 laws are changed. And I think it's up to the 172 00:12:55,320 --> 00:13:01,720 public to make these changes because the fat role regulators 173 00:13:01,759 --> 00:13:05,440 are not doing it. I mean, all of the studies 174 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:14,159 show the harm to people as far when the radiation 175 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:19,240 levels are far less than what the agencies, the FCC 176 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:25,720 and the agency in Europe say are safe. Those agencies 177 00:13:25,799 --> 00:13:34,360 are only looking at thermal effects of radiation. How much 178 00:13:34,399 --> 00:13:40,000 does it heat up brain? Well, I think there's a 179 00:13:40,039 --> 00:13:44,679 good example of how much science has evolved in the 180 00:13:44,759 --> 00:13:48,960 last forty and fifty years. I remember in high school 181 00:13:49,799 --> 00:13:54,960 we had a friend who wanted to try out to 182 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,240 be a cheerleader, and she was. She was a little 183 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:03,039 bit chubby, which was uncommon in the nineteen sixties. This 184 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,639 was before glycophate and all the stuff that's sprayed on 185 00:14:06,879 --> 00:14:11,759 fields that affected our food supply and therefore our health. Anyway, 186 00:14:11,799 --> 00:14:16,240 we were all concerned. This is how ignorant we were 187 00:14:16,279 --> 00:14:18,919 in the health department, not just because we were in 188 00:14:19,039 --> 00:14:22,279 high school. We were actually a department of defense high 189 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,879 school that was way above any of the schools in 190 00:14:25,879 --> 00:14:29,240 the United States. This was just the status of health 191 00:14:29,399 --> 00:14:33,759 knowledge in the sixties. We were afraid that if Mandy 192 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:39,240 was tried out for became a cheerleader, that those fat 193 00:14:39,279 --> 00:14:41,559 sales will turn into muscle and she would never get 194 00:14:41,639 --> 00:14:51,759 rid of it. Okay, ignorant. We were about hell in 195 00:14:51,799 --> 00:15:03,120 the sixties. Now this FCC standard is just as ignorant. 196 00:15:03,879 --> 00:15:08,159 I mean they put water, they put sailing, a saline 197 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:13,720 solution in a plastic head, you know, mannequin head uh, 198 00:15:13,799 --> 00:15:17,919 and held a cell phone an inch and a half 199 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:22,200 away from the from the mannequin uh for six minutes 200 00:15:23,039 --> 00:15:25,600 and that is the stand. And then and then measured 201 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:30,600 how soon the water heated up. That was the brain 202 00:15:31,759 --> 00:15:35,879 that they were considering, and that was that was two 203 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,159 point five g Oh. And that's got nothing to do 204 00:15:39,639 --> 00:15:45,919 with today's reality, yes, and and and then that's just 205 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,919 talking about one cell phone. Now we are living in 206 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:56,919 a sea and ocean of of radiation around us. So 207 00:15:56,919 --> 00:16:01,120 so this is the standard of the FC. See. They've 208 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:06,000 been told three times, two times by court decisions, most 209 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:12,320 recently in twenty one and earlier in twenty fifteen I 210 00:16:12,639 --> 00:16:17,840 think it was twenty fifteen, and by the government office 211 00:16:18,279 --> 00:16:20,799 in twenty twelve saying you need to go back and 212 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,919 look at the science. But they have never done it. 213 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: No, because they don't want to expose it. 214 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,279 Speaker 2: No, they do not want us to know. This is 215 00:16:30,399 --> 00:16:34,440 why it's up to the public. It's up to us consumers. 216 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,279 We're the victims here, you know, we're the ones using 217 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:42,480 this technology, and we can change our behaviors and we 218 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:44,840 can get more control on it. And it's going to 219 00:16:44,879 --> 00:16:48,039 be up to us to do that. And this is 220 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:53,000 why the ten million moms are three percent of the 221 00:16:53,039 --> 00:16:56,480 population would be just a little bit over ten million. 222 00:16:57,279 --> 00:17:03,279 And when we can change that that behavior to and 223 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,799 there are simple solutions to this if we're just aware, 224 00:17:07,759 --> 00:17:13,279 just you know, become conscious of the situation and hopefully 225 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,319 before people in the house are sick. 226 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:20,519 Speaker 1: Yes, So what effects are we seeing on children, like 227 00:17:20,559 --> 00:17:23,240 on babies and on even older children? 228 00:17:25,079 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 2: Oh boy, speaking of the older kids, there's one group 229 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:38,319 called I think it's it's a parent group of thirty 230 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:42,680 three thousand. They are taking Meta to court and that's 231 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:50,000 about to start soon. And that's because Facebook knew what 232 00:17:50,039 --> 00:17:55,039 they were doing, or they created these algorithms to yeah, 233 00:17:56,079 --> 00:18:00,200 provide the dopamine effect so that the children would stay 234 00:18:00,839 --> 00:18:05,759 keep scrolling. And so parents are now taking them to 235 00:18:05,839 --> 00:18:11,359 court good due to the mental health condition of their children. 236 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:18,359 Laws of school districts are also taking the platforms to 237 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:24,200 court because the schools have been overwhelmed by the mental 238 00:18:24,319 --> 00:18:29,799 duress of the students. Some states, in many school districts 239 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:37,720 now are are putting into effect a ban on phones, 240 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,839 bell to bell from the time you arrived to the 241 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,640 time you leave. The phones are put away. What's very 242 00:18:44,759 --> 00:18:49,480 curious about that is, yes, you don't get the notifications, 243 00:18:49,519 --> 00:18:52,279 you don't get the phone calls and the text messages 244 00:18:52,599 --> 00:18:58,240 during the school day. However, nobody, I mean, the Secretary 245 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:02,240 Kennedy said this war months and he also commented that 246 00:19:02,279 --> 00:19:07,359 nobody's talking about this. If you take your cell phone 247 00:19:07,599 --> 00:19:12,839 and it's a it's an iPhone particularly and just turn 248 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,880 it off and put it in your backpack by your feet, 249 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:21,240 it's still emitting radiation. And you know, and there's still 250 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:28,799 the routers and too many routers in the schools, and 251 00:19:28,799 --> 00:19:35,119 and the wireless devices. Yeah, so all of this radiation 252 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:42,680 is still making the children unwell. Yeah, so that's not 253 00:19:42,839 --> 00:19:45,960 so that's a good step. But we need to take 254 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:51,240 those phones and put them in a faraday cage someplace 255 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:56,599 out of the room. Get the machines in the classrooms wired. 256 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:03,000 I think it was at least fifteen years ago the 257 00:20:03,039 --> 00:20:06,839 new superintendent of the Los Angeles School District went into 258 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:11,519 the classroom and measured the levels of radiation. He said, 259 00:20:11,559 --> 00:20:15,079 it was like a low level microwave in that room. 260 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:20,480 And we're talking about early in this situation, when when 261 00:20:20,559 --> 00:20:25,759 not everybody had their own personal notepads and laptops and 262 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,319 phones in their pockets. This was just what was being 263 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,960 used in the room. And so he wired. And Los 264 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:38,200 Angeles is the second largest school district in the United States. 265 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:43,599 He wired it. And that needs to be done wherever 266 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,200 these devices are being used in the schools. 267 00:20:47,079 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 1: So what about like power lines, because like I have 268 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:53,039 power lines running through my property. What does like, how 269 00:20:53,079 --> 00:20:57,799 does that affect like the radiation levels in our area. 270 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 2: Is another issue? And you know how how much electricity 271 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:15,079 they're caring lies. It's sort of your neighborhood the neighborhood 272 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,880 wires or is it. 273 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,839 Speaker 1: It's like, it's like, so they're running We live like 274 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,480 in a very rural area, So we live on the 275 00:21:25,519 --> 00:21:27,759 main road, but there's a rural like dirt road that 276 00:21:27,839 --> 00:21:30,599 runs down one side, and so it's running the power 277 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,319 all the way down to all those houses down that 278 00:21:33,599 --> 00:21:38,279 dirt road. So it's carrying all that electricity out. 279 00:21:39,759 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 2: Honestly, Danny, I can't answer that. You would have to 280 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,799 you would have to talk to an electrician, Okay, find 281 00:21:47,839 --> 00:21:51,759 out how much how much is being carried on those wires. 282 00:21:52,839 --> 00:21:59,160 And yeah, I mean I remember going to a housing 283 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:04,119 development and somewhere in New Mexico years ago, and they've 284 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:08,079 just built up a whole group of beautiful homes right 285 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:15,240 under wires that were the main transformers across the state. 286 00:22:15,839 --> 00:22:18,359 And I said to the to the real estate agent 287 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,839 whose cousin works in the zoning department, to have allowed this, 288 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:29,519 I mean, nobody should be living anywhere near that strength 289 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:38,119 of electrical transmission. Nobody. Yeah, And truly it was a 290 00:22:38,599 --> 00:22:42,799 serious air to have allowed anybody to build I mean 291 00:22:43,039 --> 00:22:47,119 I'm talking about right underneath them, not fifty feet. 292 00:22:46,839 --> 00:22:51,759 Speaker 4: Away or you know, a mile away. I wouldn't live 293 00:22:51,799 --> 00:22:59,000 within a mile of those lines. But yeah, that's but 294 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:04,920 your particular situation. Have to talk to somebody in the 295 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,920 city or talk to an electrician, you know. 296 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 2: And some of these issues that we have today wouldn't 297 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:17,359 have been a problem thirty years ago because we didn't 298 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:24,519 have the additional burden we have now now because we're 299 00:23:25,519 --> 00:23:29,599 everybody's got a cell phone on them and we've got 300 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:34,640 the Pew Research Center found this. I think this a 301 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,720 couple of years ago that the average American home has 302 00:23:38,839 --> 00:23:47,640 twenty three device chips in the house sending radio sending 303 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:53,000 signals to the smart meter. That means your whole home 304 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,440 is just being zapped continuously. And the problem with those 305 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:06,240 smart meters is that they're pulsing so much the continuously, 306 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,000 and it's the pulse thing that causes so much of 307 00:24:09,559 --> 00:24:13,799 the problem. And then whether if you're a refrigerator, you're 308 00:24:13,799 --> 00:24:20,519 a toaster, you're a vacuum cleaner. Uh, everything now is Yeah, 309 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:26,880 there's nobody minding the gate, so any manufacturer making anything 310 00:24:27,079 --> 00:24:30,119 can put a chip in it, and there's nobody saying no, 311 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:36,680 you can't do that. So oh, yes, the Barbie, the 312 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,400 talking Barbie has got a chip in it. She's omitting 313 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,839 emf uh. And I've heard and I haven't seen this, 314 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:48,319 but I know that the reliable source that they've actually 315 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:52,480 put a chip in Wyman's tampons, Like why, why, why 316 00:24:52,599 --> 00:24:55,240 is such a thing necessary? Or a chip in the 317 00:24:55,279 --> 00:24:57,839 baby's diaper. Are they actually going to send a message 318 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,400 to the parents who's got a smart walk on that 319 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,119 the child's diaper needs changing. 320 00:25:02,559 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure it's coming. 321 00:25:06,079 --> 00:25:09,319 Speaker 2: That's always already here. I mean they have got chips 322 00:25:09,319 --> 00:25:13,200 in the baby's diapers, and then there's a chip in 323 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:19,839 a cradle. This is this is why it's so important 324 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:24,000 that the children that you we can we can quite 325 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:30,599 simply reduce this exposure by just being becoming aware of 326 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:37,240 where the chips are. Not buying anything that that will 327 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:42,440 proudly show that logo looks like a windshield wiper. Uh 328 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,720 and that indicates that it will connect to the internet. 329 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:52,920 If if we become aware of the risks the dangers 330 00:25:53,640 --> 00:26:00,640 of this technology, then we can uh not buy those items. UH. 331 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,480 And if it's something that's that there's not an option, 332 00:26:05,279 --> 00:26:09,759 then you talk to them, to the salespeople about whether 333 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,480 or not the chip can be removed and uh. And 334 00:26:13,519 --> 00:26:16,960 then if you find and find out what's the return policy. 335 00:26:17,519 --> 00:26:20,599 If you cannot get it help, you cannot remove it. 336 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:26,519 So so there's there's a process if we just are 337 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:31,720 aware of the risks and uh and and decide to 338 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:38,319 take the steps to reduce this exposure. And uh, I've 339 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:43,599 gone into homes. Baby monitors are among the worst offenders. 340 00:26:44,079 --> 00:26:53,400 They're high high radiation levels and and I mean parents 341 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:58,240 have lived for thousands of years without electric monitors telling 342 00:26:58,279 --> 00:27:02,440 them the baby needs attention, right, you know, it's just 343 00:27:02,519 --> 00:27:09,720 not necessary. We had friends in Bangkok. They lived in 344 00:27:09,759 --> 00:27:14,480 a very tiny apartment. If the child burned, they would 345 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,160 have heard it in the other from the living room, 346 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:22,279 and yet they put a baby monitor over his crib 347 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:29,759 and he became autistic. And because this is one of 348 00:27:29,799 --> 00:27:33,880 the effects for the children. And another one of my 349 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:39,720 first granddaughter's playgroup, she was given an iPhone about age three, 350 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,400 and when we went back to Bangkok at age five, 351 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:50,119 she had leukemia. Oh these are and serious serious, I realized. 352 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:57,759 The children, Yes, because they they're so susceptible. The brain, 353 00:27:57,839 --> 00:28:02,119 the skull is thinner, you know, the nervous system is developing, 354 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:09,079 and we need to we need to reduce this for 355 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,319 the kids. They don't get a second chance. I mean, 356 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,279 they do recover from autism, and then they do recover 357 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,799 from leukemia, but we don't want to do this to 358 00:28:18,839 --> 00:28:19,440 our children. 359 00:28:19,839 --> 00:28:22,279 Speaker 1: Do you think this is also contributing to the ADHD 360 00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:23,519 epidemic that. 361 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,880 Speaker 2: We're seeing, Oh yes, absolutely. 362 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:31,039 Speaker 1: He's obviously like people will blame the food dies for ADHD, 363 00:28:31,079 --> 00:28:32,839 and I do think that it is a contributing factor. 364 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,480 I'm not trying to say that like, it's just one thing, 365 00:28:34,599 --> 00:28:38,799 it's just another thing. But can this radiation also be 366 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,599 contributing to the ADHD epidemic that we're seeing. 367 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:47,319 Speaker 2: Yes, it does. There was one case a reported recently. 368 00:28:48,319 --> 00:28:51,440 I think he was about ten. He was a very 369 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,799 bright young boy, on top of his class and very popular, 370 00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:01,279 and then he started behaving very erratically. If he he 371 00:29:01,359 --> 00:29:05,839 didn't succeed in winning whatever they were doing, he would 372 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,599 have a he would have a tantrum, or he would 373 00:29:08,599 --> 00:29:13,480 start cheating, you know. And so over a few months, 374 00:29:13,519 --> 00:29:17,279 his children, his friends started getting away from him, moving 375 00:29:17,319 --> 00:29:21,680 away from him, and it was quite a dramatic change 376 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:26,720 in personality. His parents took him to a psychologist and 377 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:32,720 the psychologist looked at the record of this child who 378 00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:37,359 had no problems before, had been a star student, popular, 379 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:44,519 had no social issues. The psychologists said to the parents, 380 00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:50,880 for one month, no screams, not nada, and they did 381 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:57,839 that and he became fine. Interesting, he complete complete transformation, 382 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,079 back returned to his former personality. 383 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: Because it's not just what they're seeing on the screen, 384 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,640 it's also the like the device itself, So it's twofold 385 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,720 because they're getting the radiation from the device. And then 386 00:30:09,759 --> 00:30:12,880 also whatever it is they're watching or doing on that screen. 387 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely so, it's and the screen prevents them from 388 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:29,359 normal children's activities learn learning social skills. For one thing, 389 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:36,240 you know, I talked with one person who's homeschooling her 390 00:30:36,359 --> 00:30:40,039 children and they're not using any screens at home. And 391 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:47,880 then her child invited over some of the school kids 392 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,279 to come over to the house to play. They came 393 00:30:51,319 --> 00:30:59,079 over with their phones or notepads, and they all sat 394 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,920 there beside each other and we're on their notepads, and 395 00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:06,759 the daughter says, this isn't fun, this isn't play, no, 396 00:31:07,119 --> 00:31:14,720 you know, but that's yeah, exactly. And so the devices 397 00:31:14,799 --> 00:31:19,759 are keeping them from actual social interaction. They're keeping them 398 00:31:19,759 --> 00:31:23,119 from play, which is why we have obesity in the 399 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:29,960 children now, which never happened before. And they're keeping away 400 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,839 from nature, which would if they were out there playing 401 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,680 in the yard, they would begin to exercise, they'd be 402 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,000 learning social skills, they'd be doing physical things, and it 403 00:31:42,039 --> 00:31:49,319 would it would actually reduce the load on the body 404 00:31:49,759 --> 00:31:53,759 of all the radiation that they're being exposed to everyplace else. 405 00:31:54,359 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: So is that because they're grounding, or because they're just 406 00:31:57,279 --> 00:32:04,039 away from the devices, or both both, okay both, but I. 407 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 2: Mean are today's shoes. Unless you're wearing leather boccasins, are barefoot, 408 00:32:10,599 --> 00:32:15,079 you're not gonna get true rounding from the earth, the 409 00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:20,119 Earth's negative ions unless you're wearing you know, your barefoot. 410 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,680 But just being up on the grass and in nature 411 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:33,480 among trees is soothing to the to the whole body soul. Yeah. 412 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: I send my kids outside bear for all the time, 413 00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:38,440 Like get out there, go outside and play. 414 00:32:39,799 --> 00:32:43,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's excellent for them. 415 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:47,599 Speaker 1: Speaking of grounding, does it have to be like outside 416 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,119 actually touching the ground, or like there's this whole I 417 00:32:51,119 --> 00:32:54,240 would say, like maybe a movement of like grounding sheets 418 00:32:54,319 --> 00:32:57,359 and grounding pads and grounding things that people put in 419 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:02,000 their houses or like they sleep on at night to 420 00:33:02,039 --> 00:33:05,000 help them be grounded when they can't be outside all 421 00:33:05,039 --> 00:33:07,160 the time, because like as adults, we are kind of 422 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:11,519 stuck in whatever our profession is doing that a lot 423 00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:11,880 of the time. 424 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,839 Speaker 2: I'm using one of those right now, of one of 425 00:33:17,839 --> 00:33:22,880 those grounding pads on the bed, and I've had a 426 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:29,039 couple of them for a few years. Very very critical 427 00:33:29,119 --> 00:33:33,200 point to those. It's not a substitute for going outside 428 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:37,000 and taking off the shoes and just being on the grass. 429 00:33:37,599 --> 00:33:41,079 But if you can't do that more than thirty minutes 430 00:33:41,119 --> 00:33:46,400 a day and have some inflammation, this pad on the 431 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,680 bed can be very helpful. A critical critical point, though, 432 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:57,039 is that there's a meter with three different lights there 433 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,640 and you have to use that meter to make uh, 434 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,920 double dam, I'm sure that your wiring is grounded, yes, 435 00:34:07,319 --> 00:34:11,639 or you because people have become harmed by these things 436 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:16,800 if they did not check with the meter. And the 437 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,880 little light meter is included in the package. When you 438 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,760 buy one of these things, that little meter comes with it, 439 00:34:25,039 --> 00:34:29,519 and so check that before you plug one of these 440 00:34:29,559 --> 00:34:33,360 things in. Uh yeah, it's critical. 441 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,679 Speaker 1: We have one on our bed. My husband's like a contractor, 442 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,840 so like he's he knows how to wire some things up. 443 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,159 So he made sure everything was all good before we 444 00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:45,280 put plugged oars in. 445 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:50,519 Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, but that's not not a stiff you 446 00:34:50,519 --> 00:34:57,159 can ever miss because it's it's it's key key to 447 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:03,400 it working, you know. I tell people because wiring problems 448 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,719 in the house can be an issue. And if you're 449 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:12,920 not going to call an electrician, there's a whole process 450 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:17,320 on how to test this. But until you do that, 451 00:35:18,639 --> 00:35:24,079 I and especially if you've got a bed with metals springs. 452 00:35:24,679 --> 00:35:28,199 Move your headboard about six and eight inches away from 453 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:32,559 the wall. So if there's bad wiring in the wall 454 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:37,760 in your bedroom, you're not going to You're not going 455 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,559 to be having a transfer over to the bed that 456 00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:42,360 you're sleeping on. 457 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:47,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be scary. What are other ways? 458 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 2: Oh? 459 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,639 Speaker 1: Sorry, I don't mean to cut you off. What are 460 00:35:51,679 --> 00:35:54,239 other ways that we can reduce the EMF in our 461 00:35:54,679 --> 00:35:59,400 house besides like like removing our cell phones from our 462 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,239 sleeping areas, right, Like, that's a huge one. What are 463 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:06,199 some ways that we can reduce that EMF? Just like 464 00:36:06,199 --> 00:36:10,840 in general, I. 465 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:17,800 Speaker 2: Would first invite everybody to for a list of easy 466 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,920 steps to take low cost or no cost on the 467 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,800 website You and the EMS. There's a page there about 468 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:30,400 seven key things that you can do. But there are 469 00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:35,840 some some things that are more critical and should be 470 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:43,519 done faster. The first thing I've seen in almost every 471 00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:48,719 home I've been into is the router sits square in 472 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:55,320 the living room by the TV, and that router should 473 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,880 be removed to the garage or to the least use 474 00:37:00,199 --> 00:37:05,079 room in the house and then run an ethernet cord 475 00:37:05,159 --> 00:37:11,159 from it. Across the house to your TV and wherever 476 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,840 else you're using, and just throw a rug over the cord. Now, 477 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,559 if you own the house, you know, or your long 478 00:37:18,679 --> 00:37:22,000 term renter, then you can wire the house, which is 479 00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:27,199 certainly simpler and easier. But if that's not the case, 480 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:32,960 then get the router to the least used room and 481 00:37:33,079 --> 00:37:38,159 use an ethernet chord because that router is one of 482 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:47,519 the highest emitting forms of radiation. And then I take 483 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:53,519 aluminum screening. You can get a roll of aluminum screening 484 00:37:53,559 --> 00:37:56,360 for ten dollars at the hardware store in the United States. 485 00:37:57,559 --> 00:38:00,480 Make sure it's aluminum, because they sell many roles that 486 00:38:00,519 --> 00:38:04,920 are plastic looking like screens. It has to be metal 487 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:10,079 and it's easy to work with. And I wrapped it 488 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,119 two or three times around the router, and then I 489 00:38:14,199 --> 00:38:19,480 just staple the sides. I used to use a wire 490 00:38:19,559 --> 00:38:23,679 and sort of sew it together, but I think the 491 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,000 stapling works just as well. And then you leave the 492 00:38:27,079 --> 00:38:29,400 back open so you can get the chords into it. 493 00:38:30,639 --> 00:38:38,599 I have measured and some of the routers they're unusual shapes. 494 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,519 Saw there was one that was had been put into 495 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,199 the lower level of a house. I spent summer in 496 00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:50,360 and it looked like the leaning Tower of Pisa, you know, 497 00:38:50,559 --> 00:38:57,400 was tall, it was slanted top, and the radiation level 498 00:38:57,599 --> 00:39:00,480 was so high that when when I first came into 499 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,639 the house, I was having to wear shielding cape and 500 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,559 hat all around the house. Took a few days to 501 00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:11,679 get this under control, but I reduced the radiation levels 502 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:17,880 by ninety seven percent by putting that screening material around 503 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:22,679 that router. And we still had enough upstairs for cell 504 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,039 phones and a couple of laptops, but I was no 505 00:39:26,119 --> 00:39:35,280 longer hiding and having to wear a shielding material. Yeah. So, 506 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:41,400 and that costs ten dollars. And then you can get 507 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,960 a timer to make it turn off automatically an hour 508 00:39:46,039 --> 00:39:49,840 before bedtime. And that's what you should do for everybody's 509 00:39:50,079 --> 00:39:55,519 sleeping improvements. I think there's seventy million Americas now who 510 00:39:55,559 --> 00:40:00,599 have sleep issues, and it's largely due to the uh, 511 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,119 the radiation levels we're living in. 512 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,280 Speaker 1: It's crazy. It's it's amazing how negatively our phones have 513 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:12,119 impacted us. Like everyone's like, now we're more connected. I'm like, 514 00:40:12,159 --> 00:40:14,039 are we more connected? Because I feel like I don't 515 00:40:14,039 --> 00:40:16,440 actually know anybody, Like. 516 00:40:16,559 --> 00:40:19,719 Speaker 2: Yes, isn't that amazing? You have five thousand friends on 517 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,159 Facebook and not a person to call to go to 518 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:23,039 a movie. 519 00:40:23,159 --> 00:40:26,239 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it's crazy to me. 520 00:40:27,519 --> 00:40:31,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's that's a lot of the problems of 521 00:40:31,159 --> 00:40:34,320 the mental health right now is that we are so 522 00:40:34,559 --> 00:40:41,880 isolated on our devices. And now I think that the 523 00:40:42,519 --> 00:40:44,719 AI is going to even add to that. 524 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, it's I think it's incredible. 525 00:40:51,559 --> 00:40:53,599 Speaker 2: Like the kids off AI. 526 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,840 Speaker 1: Well we need yeah. Well, and back to your point 527 00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,440 about the lady that was homeschooling. We homeschool our kids 528 00:40:59,519 --> 00:41:01,800 and we're we're fighting this battle right now, like just 529 00:41:02,079 --> 00:41:04,199 between the two of us. We're like, do we put 530 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,800 them like do we use technology like an iPad or 531 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,079 something to teach them some things and then teach them 532 00:41:10,119 --> 00:41:12,840 other things just like you know, brick and mortar, pencil 533 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,760 and pin, And we go back and forth because we're like, well, 534 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,000 if we don't give them an iPad, then they're going 535 00:41:19,079 --> 00:41:21,119 to be behind. If we do give them an iPad, 536 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,400 then now they're on technology. So we're like, we don't 537 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:24,360 really like either option. 538 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,719 Speaker 2: Okay, well, let's talk about some of the effects of 539 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:35,639 these technologies on the kid's brains. There's been like forty 540 00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:43,159 nine studies showing that when the young people, this is 541 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:47,039 up to age nineteen, when they read something on a 542 00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:52,639 screen that they recall for it doing a test later 543 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,679 is dramatically less than if they read it on a book. 544 00:41:58,519 --> 00:42:02,280 And the same is is of typing on a keyboard. 545 00:42:03,199 --> 00:42:06,920 They will not have the retention that if they use 546 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,920 a pencil. And the reason is that on the paper, 547 00:42:12,119 --> 00:42:18,360 especially in writing, more of the brain is engaged. So 548 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:23,920 it's it's a huge difference in the level of learning 549 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:30,800 between the screens and paper and between the keyboard and 550 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:35,880 a pen and paper. Yeah, a pensil, yeah, so yeah, 551 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:40,199 but it is a dilemma by the three grandkids in 552 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:45,039 Bangkok are not allowed any screens. I mean they get 553 00:42:45,079 --> 00:42:50,639 to watch an hour of Paw Patrol when the parents 554 00:42:50,679 --> 00:42:52,840 go on date night, so they can't wait for the 555 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:59,159 parents to go out. But but that's that's about it. 556 00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:06,559 So what point. It's a hard balance. But another thing 557 00:43:06,679 --> 00:43:08,800 is that that we need to do in the home 558 00:43:09,159 --> 00:43:12,440 besides moving the router, turning it off before bed is 559 00:43:12,599 --> 00:43:18,360 before going to bed is uh create have a family 560 00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:25,760 discussion about UH time and spay place to use your devices? Uh. 561 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,960 One daughter has what a communications center right inside the 562 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,559 door and so when they they have to use the 563 00:43:34,559 --> 00:43:37,800 phones for their work, but when they come home, they 564 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,920 put the phones in the communications center. So nobody's walking 565 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:47,199 around the house with a with a cell phone beaming 566 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:54,920 being the EMF the frequencies. Uh. And I've reminded the 567 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,360 my daughter that when their friends come over, you're going 568 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,280 to have to now do a search at the door 569 00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:07,480 and have the kids leave their iPads and their phones 570 00:44:07,519 --> 00:44:12,320 and they're smart watches in the communications center. Yeah, because 571 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:18,000 otherwise they're bringing into the house. What the family has 572 00:44:18,039 --> 00:44:23,679 worked very hard. They've had building biologists come and test 573 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:28,320 the house, and they've made all the adjustments to get 574 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:34,159 the radiation levels negligible. But if then if you invite 575 00:44:34,199 --> 00:44:39,000 people in, you know, they need to participate in the rules. 576 00:44:39,519 --> 00:44:42,880 Speaker 1: So how long does radiation stay in the house then? 577 00:44:44,039 --> 00:44:47,880 Like if okay, so they have very low radiation in 578 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,320 their house, they have a friend come in, they have 579 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,119 their cell phone, they walk through the house, whatever, they're 580 00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:52,920 there for an hour, they leave. How long is that 581 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:53,960 radiation in their house? 582 00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,880 Speaker 2: It's only there when the when the advice is there. 583 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:09,559 It's not like odors that linger for hours. No, okay, Yeah, 584 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:16,199 so has one upside there it's not a lingering thing. 585 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:22,800 But but if but we we are don't pay attention 586 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,480 to the fact that you turn on your phone or 587 00:45:25,519 --> 00:45:31,199 your computer and you see uh networks available, I mean 588 00:45:31,639 --> 00:45:34,639 uh in one apartment in d C. I think my 589 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:39,679 daughter had over one hundred networks beaming through her apartment. 590 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:41,559 Speaker 1: That's crazy, you know. 591 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:48,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, So you if you're going to protect yourself from this, 592 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,559 you need to be careful about where you're living. Uh, 593 00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:56,719 And then managed to manage that environment very carefully. 594 00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,880 Speaker 1: So when you I mean, I'm I'm making an assumption 595 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,719 here that you live in a very low radiation environment. 596 00:46:04,639 --> 00:46:07,079 So when you go into an environment that is a 597 00:46:07,159 --> 00:46:09,159 high radiation like that apartment you were talking about that 598 00:46:09,199 --> 00:46:11,800 had the tower, and you're like, I had to shield myself. 599 00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,880 How do you feel going from like a low radiation 600 00:46:15,039 --> 00:46:17,480 Like do you notice the difference right away, like when 601 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:19,280 you're around a bunch of radiation? 602 00:46:21,199 --> 00:46:26,480 Speaker 2: Yes, I do. And I've learned that I need to 603 00:46:26,599 --> 00:46:31,039 avoid those situations, so I cannot. I wanted very much 604 00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:36,920 to go to a very special theatrical production in Seattle 605 00:46:37,039 --> 00:46:42,840 last spring. I and I mean I was I changed 606 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,880 my flight to be able to go to that and 607 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,440 then I thought, you know, I just can't go into 608 00:46:48,559 --> 00:46:51,960 a theater with one hundred people who are going to 609 00:46:52,039 --> 00:46:56,960 have all these devices on. I cannot do it. So 610 00:46:57,159 --> 00:47:02,760 I didn't, and I I make decisions on you know, 611 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:07,400 where I'm going to shop, what day, what time of 612 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:12,159 the day is going to have the lowest levels of 613 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,679 population because they will all have sell modes. 614 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,440 Speaker 1: You know, how do you feel when that happens, Like 615 00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,079 when you go into those situations, do you like have 616 00:47:22,119 --> 00:47:26,559 a like a negative health I don't know. 617 00:47:27,159 --> 00:47:32,960 Speaker 2: I will get a headache, okay, like like a vice 618 00:47:33,039 --> 00:47:37,920 on my head, and I had never first time this happened, 619 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,960 I had never had a headache in my seventy two years. 620 00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:46,960 And so I actually talked to a doctor by telemedicine 621 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,800 and she said, I think you should go to the er, 622 00:47:49,559 --> 00:47:54,840 and so I did. And this was summer of twenty 623 00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:01,400 and so they there was nobody the hospitals and in 624 00:48:02,119 --> 00:48:07,960 July of twenty peopre avoiding all these places. So I 625 00:48:08,079 --> 00:48:16,599 got stellar service. Yeah. So, but what I've experienced is 626 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:21,480 often right now, it'll be a headache. But I've got 627 00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:29,400 a shielding beanie that I wear, and I've used a 628 00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:38,159 scalar energy device for radiation protection. And I've got a 629 00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:46,679 couple of cards that are useful. Nature's Frequency sells a 630 00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:52,800 card that and the engineers I'm finding in this field 631 00:48:53,199 --> 00:48:57,800 are all if you can't measure it, it doesn't exist. Well, 632 00:48:59,079 --> 00:48:59,760 not so much. 633 00:49:00,039 --> 00:49:07,079 Speaker 5: Yeah, uh, I I find that that if that some 634 00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:12,400 of these cards and pendants do harmonize. 635 00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:18,320 Speaker 2: Uh, the the what's around me and I and I 636 00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:27,199 do feel better safer, I'm protected. But it's it's it's 637 00:49:28,039 --> 00:49:31,519 it's a trial. You know, what works for one person 638 00:49:31,599 --> 00:49:34,840 may not work for another. Uh, and what works for 639 00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:40,639 me some years doesn't work at other times. So uh, 640 00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:45,000 it's it's a it's a continuous, continuous trial. 641 00:49:47,519 --> 00:49:48,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, thankes sense. 642 00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:59,000 Speaker 2: I've had other other symptoms, like uh, I actually became 643 00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:04,519 sensitive to the by sitting next to a router of 644 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,800 several hours a day, six days a week for three months. 645 00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:15,280 And this router was in Mexico. And it wouldn't have 646 00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,119 taken me three months to experience this if it's been 647 00:50:18,159 --> 00:50:21,719 in the in the US, because the routers in Mexico 648 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:25,079 are a fraction of the amount of radiation as they 649 00:50:25,119 --> 00:50:30,800 are in the US. But anyway, I don't know, I 650 00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:36,639 don't know why there's there's actually a router designed by 651 00:50:36,679 --> 00:50:41,119 an engineer in the Netherlands that the radiation levels are 652 00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:47,000 ninety percent less than any router, and it shuts, it 653 00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,360 goes to sleep when it's not in use, and you 654 00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:57,400 can actually dial the down the radiator the expanse of 655 00:50:57,599 --> 00:51:02,000 the router. She is not going into your neighbors. It's 656 00:51:02,039 --> 00:51:06,480 called the j RS router, and it's that's just amazing. 657 00:51:07,079 --> 00:51:11,239 It's possible. It's not necessary, but if you if you 658 00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:15,280 wire these use an Internet cord, you're going to reduce 659 00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:16,320 your level a lot. 660 00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:18,119 Speaker 1: Okay, that makes sense. 661 00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:23,800 Speaker 2: But anyway, after that, I went to Washington, D C. 662 00:51:25,519 --> 00:51:32,480 And in the cities the towers are in disguised in architecture. 663 00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,920 And as I walk down the street in April, it 664 00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:43,320 is warm spring day, bare arms. First my skin burned, well, 665 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,480 first it itched, and then as I kept walking it 666 00:51:46,559 --> 00:51:49,320 was begin to burn a little bit. And then I 667 00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,280 finally must have been right in front of the tower 668 00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,639 because my skin began to crawl. Oh my gosh. And 669 00:51:54,679 --> 00:52:02,800 these are classic symptoms of non ionizing radiation. Wow. But 670 00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:07,599 I think that moms and it is women who are 671 00:52:07,639 --> 00:52:14,519 more affected by this than men, and even Historically, in 672 00:52:14,599 --> 00:52:19,000 the earliest years, back in the seventeen and eighteen hundreds 673 00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:24,920 of the earliest experiments with electricity, women were more sensitive 674 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:31,679 to the electrical currents and we still are. So it's 675 00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:37,280 there's another reason why it would be moms who will 676 00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,960 manage this for the health of themselves and particularly the 677 00:52:41,079 --> 00:52:45,480 children and the husbands and the hobbies partners. They will 678 00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,519 get the benefit of this, But it's going to be 679 00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:53,320 the ten million moms who can take control of this situation. 680 00:52:54,159 --> 00:52:56,639 Speaker 1: I wonder if that's why they don't think it's a problem. 681 00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,559 It's because men don't experience it at such a drastic 682 00:53:01,159 --> 00:53:05,599 like like effect as women, and so like we hear 683 00:53:05,599 --> 00:53:08,480 this with like heart attacks, right with heart attacks, they're like, oh, 684 00:53:08,519 --> 00:53:10,920 women experience heart attacks differently, but we just don't measure 685 00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:12,360 it like that. I want to said doctor one time, 686 00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,400 they're like, yeah, you have low testosterone, but we don't 687 00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,960 have any testosterone settlements for women because we just don't 688 00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:19,920 test women for that you don't need it, which is 689 00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,280 actually not true. Women need testosterone, right, But like it's 690 00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,679 so many things that like ADHD is not tested the 691 00:53:26,679 --> 00:53:28,480 same in men and women, but they only test it 692 00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,079 the way that they would test it for men, so 693 00:53:30,159 --> 00:53:32,559 women are underdiagnosed. This happens. I mean, we could go 694 00:53:32,639 --> 00:53:34,440 down the list of all the things that women are 695 00:53:34,519 --> 00:53:39,159 underdiagnosed for because they don't test it this like women 696 00:53:39,159 --> 00:53:42,639 and men are different, and you have to test women 697 00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,360 in a different way than men. So then they're like, oh, well, 698 00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,559 we tested all these men and they don't have any 699 00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:50,320 effects of this radiation, so it's not a problem, when 700 00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,000 in reality, the women are the ones that are suffering. 701 00:53:54,480 --> 00:54:01,559 Speaker 2: Yes, and it's interesting only if the man is already sufferings. 702 00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:06,320 Has he called me to do a test in the house, 703 00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:11,920 and you're correct, is that it's women. We were the 704 00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,639 ones who got the autoimmune disease is a whole lot 705 00:54:14,679 --> 00:54:17,639 more than men, and we're just a whole lot more 706 00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:25,079 environmentally sensitive. And the men are not very supportive. I 707 00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:27,559 mean they will they will go along with it because 708 00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,840 the wife wants this way, and he wants to protect 709 00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:35,599 the children. Also, he goes along with it, but he 710 00:54:35,679 --> 00:54:38,880 doesn't he doesn't separate himself from the group when he's 711 00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:44,079 gonna get a long telephone call. Yeah, you know, so 712 00:54:44,159 --> 00:54:48,800 there's small personal habits that he doesn't participate in. There's 713 00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:54,000 actually two books written I think about ten years ago 714 00:54:54,079 --> 00:54:58,000 now on women's health and how we have been ignored, 715 00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:08,199 and uh, it's it's fascinating. The funniest situate men get 716 00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:13,599 more research. The men are the researchers. And anyway, the 717 00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:20,599 one that I remembered the most ridiculous hilarious was they 718 00:55:20,679 --> 00:55:29,039 tested a a particular treatment for women and all the 719 00:55:29,119 --> 00:55:34,639 subjects and the test were male. Yeah. Can you imagine 720 00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:39,840 do a test for prostate cancer and and all the 721 00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,320 subjects who are they tested on were women? 722 00:55:42,679 --> 00:55:43,559 Speaker 1: Right, that's crazy. 723 00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:46,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's totally crazy. 724 00:55:47,159 --> 00:55:49,920 Speaker 1: It's like menopause. They're like, oh, it's menopause support, let's 725 00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:51,519 test all these men. And they're like, we don't even 726 00:55:51,519 --> 00:55:52,239 go through menopause. 727 00:55:54,239 --> 00:56:00,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's crazy. I want to remind your 728 00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:06,119 listeners go to for for three things they could do today. 729 00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:12,400 Uh to go to the website you OIO, you A 730 00:56:12,599 --> 00:56:15,760 and D and E m F dot com and there's 731 00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,719 a simple list there things you can do that are 732 00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,000 no cost or low cost and you can do them 733 00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:27,960 immediately that will reduce your exposure. And then join join 734 00:56:28,039 --> 00:56:33,840 the movement. There will be a place there for join 735 00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:38,840 joining it, and then tell a couple of friends, you know, 736 00:56:39,039 --> 00:56:44,159 because when we get the mass number we can, we will. 737 00:56:45,519 --> 00:56:48,559 Then you won't hear people around you saying I never 738 00:56:48,639 --> 00:56:52,199 heard of the e MS. What is that? Right? 739 00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,280 Speaker 1: And I'll link all that. I'll link the website in 740 00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,000 the show notes. That way, it's super easy. People can 741 00:56:57,039 --> 00:56:58,559 just click on it and go straight there. You can 742 00:56:58,599 --> 00:57:00,840 see everything that you need, you can join the movement, 743 00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,480 you can see what you can do to reduce the 744 00:57:03,519 --> 00:57:07,480 EMF exposure in your family and your life, because it 745 00:57:07,559 --> 00:57:08,360 is really important. 746 00:57:09,599 --> 00:57:12,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's affecting all of us, whether I always 747 00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:14,360 say whether you're feeling. 748 00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,480 Speaker 1: It or not yet, because you will. 749 00:57:18,599 --> 00:57:23,119 Speaker 2: You will, yeah, yeah, right now. I don't know how 750 00:57:23,199 --> 00:57:26,119 soon you're going to have this up, but there's a 751 00:57:26,199 --> 00:57:30,079 bill in the House of Representatives twenty bill number twenty 752 00:57:30,159 --> 00:57:35,800 two eighty nine. I am encouraging on all the podcasts 753 00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:40,400 I'm talking on to call your legislators and tell them 754 00:57:40,519 --> 00:57:44,400 you do not want this bill because it would it 755 00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:50,519 would it would prohibit the input from cities, and that 756 00:57:50,599 --> 00:57:55,000 means all the citizens of those cities on where and 757 00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:59,079 how many cell towers can be set up. So if 758 00:57:59,119 --> 00:58:02,039 this bill is pas asked number twenty two eighty nine. 759 00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:07,239 If it's passed, Telecom has a cotted launch to put 760 00:58:07,239 --> 00:58:10,000 a cell tower out on your street five feet from 761 00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,679 your bedroom, can be in the in the school yard, 762 00:58:14,199 --> 00:58:17,280 in the park where you go for recovery from all this, 763 00:58:18,719 --> 00:58:23,039 and the cities won't have any recourse. It takes away 764 00:58:23,119 --> 00:58:31,039 all the authority that we had we have had on 765 00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:39,039 managing this. So it's a really destructive, destructive bill. I 766 00:58:39,079 --> 00:58:42,440 don't know how soon. I mean, Telecom wants to get 767 00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:45,440 it out on the floor real fast before the public, 768 00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,000 you know, can respond. But I've been saying there's an 769 00:58:49,079 --> 00:58:55,320 organization called the National Call dot org as organized by 770 00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:59,000 an attorney in New York City, and she tracks all 771 00:58:59,079 --> 00:59:02,559 of these bills, now fifty of them in Congress, in 772 00:59:02,599 --> 00:59:08,679 the committees by Telecom. She tracks them and and has 773 00:59:08,719 --> 00:59:12,639 it set up so you can make punch a button 774 00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,920 on your computer and make a phone call to your 775 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:20,599 your legislator, and it's like two minutes of your time, 776 00:59:21,239 --> 00:59:24,000 and it can make a huge difference. I was I'm 777 00:59:24,119 --> 00:59:29,679 part of an an activist group, and an attorney in 778 00:59:29,719 --> 00:59:34,599 that group who usually is representing cities, he said, and 779 00:59:34,639 --> 00:59:40,800 he usually wins. But he said, I can only let 780 00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:46,440 argue for the for the laws. He said, you meaning 781 00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:50,039 the public, and I say it's the women are the 782 00:59:50,039 --> 00:59:55,840 ones who can affect what those laws are. It's critical 783 00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:59,079 because he says, I can't I can't protect, I can't 784 00:59:59,119 --> 01:00:03,920 defend the city, represent the cities. Uh and uh in 785 01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:08,039 these court cases, if the law says they have cart 786 01:00:08,079 --> 01:00:10,440 de launch, they can put it up wherever they want to. 787 01:00:11,599 --> 01:00:16,679 So uh, it's it's real, real important that we participated. Yeah, 788 01:00:16,679 --> 01:00:21,559 it's the national call dot org. Okay, and maybe maybe 789 01:00:21,639 --> 01:00:26,800 on that Yeah, yeah, because it's we need, we need 790 01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:31,800 to participate in this. Yeah, to manage it. 791 01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, got to do something because they are just doing 792 01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:37,800 whatever they want. It feels like they've got free range 793 01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:38,559 to do whatever they want. 794 01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,320 Speaker 2: So well they will legally have free range if this 795 01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:46,039 bill gets passed. Yeah, I mean, uh, I mean there 796 01:00:46,039 --> 01:00:49,800 were ninety bills in the last Congress, only four got passed. 797 01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:53,760 One of them was pretty bad, allowing cell towers in 798 01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:58,960 the national parks. So so the the moose and the 799 01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:05,519 bears and everything's gonna be subjected to this. Yeah, it 800 01:01:05,559 --> 01:01:09,039 already is to some point, but it can get worse. 801 01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,960 Speaker 1: But of course they're gonna like dress it up as well. 802 01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,800 Now you can post your National Park pictures while you're 803 01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,760 in the National Park. You're like, that's not the point. 804 01:01:19,199 --> 01:01:21,920 I think the point is to be off our phones 805 01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:22,719 and enjoy. 806 01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:26,079 Speaker 2: Nature exactly exactly. 807 01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,440 Speaker 1: Be really, thank you so much for coming on and 808 01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:32,199 explaining this to us. I really appreciate it. I feel 809 01:01:32,199 --> 01:01:34,159 like I learned a lot. I'm sure my listeners learned 810 01:01:34,159 --> 01:01:34,880 a lot. So thank you. 811 01:01:36,119 --> 01:01:38,119 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me Danny. 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