Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Astrology with Alice. I'm
Speaker 1: here with my good friend and fellow astrologer Maxine, who
Speaker 1: has been on the podcast before, and we also used
Speaker 1: to have a whole podcast together, Astrology and you. Welcome back, Maccine.
Speaker 2: Thanks Alice. I'm so happy to be here. Honestly, we're
Speaker 2: a bit resty, we were just saying before this episode
Speaker 2: started because I haven't really been doing much. I've been
Speaker 2: taking a kind of pause from social media.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll talk about me here. We'll talk about all
Speaker 1: the transits of our slower time in life recently. But yeah,
Speaker 1: you're in town for my baby shower. So I'm just
Speaker 1: so excited to see you. I know where do you
Speaker 1: live now? For everyone that doesn't know.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, big update. So we were living in Spain
Speaker 2: and then we just recently moved back in October to
Speaker 2: the Midwest. We live in a very small town.
Speaker 1: Now I need to visit you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it is where I grew up, so like
Speaker 2: that's kind of yeah, we ended up there, but you
Speaker 2: definitely need to visit.
Speaker 1: Oh love. Wait for everyone that doesn't remember from last time,
Speaker 1: what is your sun moon and rising?
Speaker 2: Yes? So I am a tourist sun, Scorpio Moon, and
Speaker 2: Gemini rising love.
Speaker 1: I just like how you're almost like have a similar
Speaker 1: chart as my husband because he's tourists on Scorpio Moon
Speaker 1: saj rising, like the opposite.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And for those listening, when Alice is like, this
Speaker 2: is his chart and she started dating Jesse, I was like,
Speaker 2: he seems like an awesome guy, because basically I think
Speaker 2: you guys will get along really well.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So for this episode, we kind of just wanted
Speaker 1: to jump around to like a lot of different topics, right,
Speaker 1: I want to talk about like what I guess, like
Speaker 1: so much astrology has changed over the last few months.
Speaker 1: Like we went from the start of twenty twenty six
Speaker 1: with like so much water and earth energy, and I know,
Speaker 1: like you were in your Saturn return in the last
Speaker 1: couple of years, I just had Saturn in the eighth house,
Speaker 1: which was a whole other beast. But I feel like
Speaker 1: the vibe has very much shifted in the last few
Speaker 1: weeks with Jupiter now and Leo. The nodes are shifting
Speaker 1: to Leo and Aquarius. Just a couple of days after
Speaker 1: we record this, this is July twenty fourth. By the way,
Speaker 1: how are you like feeling.
Speaker 2: I've talked about this, Alison. You're very happy about this
Speaker 2: because it just feels like when your chart is dominated
Speaker 2: like by rising sign it just the way that the
Speaker 2: plants are shifting into these fire and air signs, it
Speaker 2: just feels so much lighter because it gets out of
Speaker 2: the heavier houses personally of my chart.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting, like the even like the career focused house,
Speaker 1: like a solder return in the tenth house, like it's
Speaker 1: not light. And I remember, like the last major transit
Speaker 1: I had and the tenth was Jupiter through the tenth
Speaker 1: and that was kind of heavy too. So it's interesting
Speaker 1: how it's not just like twelfth, eighth, fourth, yeah, like
Speaker 1: as the more emotional houses, but it can also be
Speaker 1: like tenth six second too.
Speaker 2: And I feel like it's because they are these houses
Speaker 2: where you're building or you're just mean to, Like it
Speaker 2: feels like those houses are so inner reflective and you
Speaker 2: have to kind of take stock of where you've been,
Speaker 2: and they're very heavy in the past. I feel like
Speaker 2: compared to the other houses of the chart, like the first,
Speaker 2: the third, the yeah, the odd numbered houses, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Personally, those are more like creatively inspired, like where you're
Speaker 1: like meeting people, you're going out into the world like
Speaker 1: you're having fun. Yeah, and then things get so serious
Speaker 1: when it's like the even number houses. I didn't even
Speaker 1: put that together. It's like even versus odds.
Speaker 2: I know, it's actually finny. I said that, and it
Speaker 2: was like, oh, that is true. That's an easy way
Speaker 2: to remember.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you're a Gemini rising. Have you noticed a
Speaker 1: lot happening with Urinus now in Gemini?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that has been huge. Actually I knew i'd
Speaker 2: feel it a lot, but I have really noticed just
Speaker 2: Urinus being in my first house. Like any planet in astrology,
Speaker 2: especially outer planets, in your first house, I feel like
Speaker 2: you feel them so intimately m M, and I mean
Speaker 2: anything to your sum moon rising, but the first house,
Speaker 2: especially with Uranus, there just feels like that impetus for
Speaker 2: change and for feeling like I'm so aware of patterns
Speaker 2: and just thinking about the future or kind of like
Speaker 2: I've I've really honestly also been struggling with my mental
Speaker 2: health a lot more about because that's part of Urinus too.
Speaker 2: It for some people like so that's already kind of
Speaker 2: constellated in your chart maybe, but it does make me
Speaker 2: in my head even that much more, I think, So
Speaker 2: that's been one part of it. Yea. But but yeah,
Speaker 2: in like a way where I'm excited, like like looking
Speaker 2: forward to what's next.
Speaker 1: It's almost like hard to describe first house transits, like
Speaker 1: I find when I'm writing horoscopes, I'm like, what should
Speaker 1: I say about this, because first house applies to like, yes,
Speaker 1: your literal self, but it like creates change in all
Speaker 1: of these different areas, like it could come from anywhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's just like that takes such a hold
Speaker 2: of your whole life when any planets through the first house,
Speaker 2: So like Urinus is so much about transformation, the first
Speaker 2: house is affecting every area of your life. So yeah,
Speaker 2: it just kind of has a grip over your whole
Speaker 2: chart because that's the lens through which you're seeing the
Speaker 2: world is the first House. So it's like, yeah, like
Speaker 2: everything is being turned upside down, especially in an outer
Speaker 2: planet transit in the first.
Speaker 1: I guess we're both having huge first house because like
Speaker 1: when we're talking about outer planets, it was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't have anything major through the first house, and
Speaker 1: then I'm like wait a minute, Like I have Jupiter there,
Speaker 1: and now I have eclipses coming up, and it's almost
Speaker 1: like feeling like you're on the brink of like a
Speaker 1: bigger life change coming up, but you don't know like
Speaker 1: what it'll result in.
Speaker 2: I guess yeah, because you can't. And also when you're
Speaker 2: I always feel like this is true probably for a
Speaker 2: lot of transits, but especially outer planets to such personal
Speaker 2: plants like your son, with Pluto transitting over your son, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: when you're in it, it's so hard to step back
Speaker 2: and see all the shifts happening and how just how
Speaker 2: drastic of a transformation is unfolding.
Speaker 1: And sometimes it's very internal too, like I feel like
Speaker 1: with Pluto to my son, like yes, I'm having a baby,
Speaker 1: Like that's a huge result of that transit. But it's
Speaker 1: also like internal mindset shifts. It's like stuff I used
Speaker 1: to care about or fix it on, like just falling away,
Speaker 1: Like I don't obsess over that as much anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that's the Pluto burning ground. Yeah, it's almost
Speaker 2: like Pluto to your son. Well, you have to tell me, like,
Speaker 2: how are you feeling it other than the baby, because
Speaker 2: that's a big identity shift.
Speaker 1: I feel like, I don't know. It's interesting with outer
Speaker 1: planet transits because it's like there's one like event, like
Speaker 1: for me, it's having the baby that then results in
Speaker 1: like all of these other shifts within yourself. But it's
Speaker 1: like the catalyst event occurs. So I do kind of
Speaker 1: feel like as I prepare to become a mother and
Speaker 1: I'm like heavily pregnant right now, it's like all these
Speaker 1: other added it's about like career or like home and
Speaker 1: family life, or like shifting as a result. But it's
Speaker 1: like that one event is like causing it to happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that's the obvious thing people would point to,
Speaker 2: but that's also happening within you too, and it's shifting
Speaker 2: so much around.
Speaker 1: And even like the sun being like the my ascendant ruler,
Speaker 1: even like my sense of style, like what clothes I'm
Speaker 1: drawn to, Like that's changing because I'm like, oh, this
Speaker 1: doesn't work for becoming a mom. I can't.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Yeah, I didn't even think of that, Alice,
Speaker 2: because not only is it yeah, it also brings your ascendant.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but I would say, like another thing I've
Speaker 1: noticed is just like not caring as much what people think.
Speaker 2: Like I've noticed that in you a ton like just
Speaker 2: you're so grounded.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you're not. It's really cool to see that
Speaker 2: shift where I feel like maybe just because also your
Speaker 2: priorities are so focused on like this next chapter and
Speaker 2: your baby. But yeah, it looks very good on you.
Speaker 1: It's still the very start of the transit too, Like
Speaker 1: my son at six, Pluto's still like at the end
Speaker 1: of five. It hasn't. I don't think it's gotten to
Speaker 1: like six yet. Yeah, but it'll be interesting, like because
Speaker 1: it's such like a two to three year transit. Like
Speaker 1: if we touch space in twenty twenty nine, like how
Speaker 1: much has changed you.
Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, and you'll look back and be like, oh
Speaker 2: my gosh, that was life transforming.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you like same with Uranus, Like we could
Speaker 1: fast forward to the twenty thirties and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I bet your life goes through so many more changes
Speaker 1: in the next several years.
Speaker 2: Totally. Yeah, any of those outer most planetary transits, they'll
Speaker 2: have such a Yeah, they just kind of unraveled these
Speaker 2: parts of you that like when they touch on personal planets,
Speaker 2: it's crazy afterwards. Like I remember when Uranus went over
Speaker 2: my son several years ago, and that was just it
Speaker 2: shifted so much like there's before that transit and there's
Speaker 2: after that transit. Yeah, but like during it, I do
Speaker 2: feel like it really asks at least me, maybe because
Speaker 2: I'm not like I like change, not that you don't
Speaker 2: have the control over your things.
Speaker 1: I think that's well, we both have our son and
Speaker 1: fixed signs like Taurus Aquarius. It's like we as an Aquarius.
Speaker 1: You think it's about change, but it's like I like
Speaker 1: change on it's on my own terms.
Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, And I think when you can't control things,
Speaker 2: or when you realize that there are just things you
Speaker 2: can't have any control over and you're so used to
Speaker 2: just being able to work really hard at something and
Speaker 2: it works, or you're used to like just you know,
Speaker 2: things kind of go in that direction that you've been
Speaker 2: working towards and it's not happening, or things just happened
Speaker 2: to you in different ways.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks what I get excited about, like with
Speaker 1: Eclipses to my son and Pluto to my son, like
Speaker 1: going back to like how we both had Urinus activate
Speaker 1: our son, Like yes, that was like a while ago now,
Speaker 1: like six seven years ago. It's just I get excited
Speaker 1: because it's who I was before that is completely different.
Speaker 1: Like I didn't know astrology before. You're in a smooth
Speaker 1: to Taurus and squared my son in Aquarius. So I
Speaker 1: get excited. I'm like, I don't even know what it's coming,
Speaker 1: but I know it's like a change. Yeah, but like
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's there's something exciting about it instead
Speaker 1: of scary.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I agree, And I think the more that I
Speaker 2: the more that we've done astrology, you know, we've talked
Speaker 2: about this, but you kind of look forward to transits
Speaker 2: that other people kind of fear or fear monger about.
Speaker 2: I guess you'll read something in an old astrology book. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like terrifying to read, but you just know that's not
Speaker 2: I mean, there are lots of potentials, but it's really
Speaker 2: beautiful to see how that can be more metaphorical or
Speaker 2: it can go in a different way, like how that
Speaker 2: energy manifest It's so different. Yeah, and yeah, I guess
Speaker 2: this I have to accept because it's going to happen
Speaker 2: no matter what. So it's kind of like, Okay, let's
Speaker 2: just see what happens. Kind of as an observer, that's
Speaker 2: so true.
Speaker 1: I guess this episode is coming out like a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks book ahead of like the Leo solar eclipse
Speaker 1: and then a few weeks before the Pizeeslonar clips and
Speaker 1: the clipses are so much about change, and there's always
Speaker 1: so much like fear around eclipses, but like I love them.
Speaker 2: We've always loved a club.
Speaker 1: Ye yeah, yeah, they like bring in this new chapter.
Speaker 2: Yes, and that's what you remember we were talking about
Speaker 2: this earlier. But just how when we got into astrology.
Speaker 2: That was back with the Leo Aguarus eclipses. Yeah, a
Speaker 2: long time ago.
Speaker 1: And that was your nine turn, which makes sense because
Speaker 1: it's like spirituality's ninth and that was my first seventh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's like identity.
Speaker 2: And angles for both of us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're mid Heaven and Aquarius and Icy and Leo
Speaker 1: and my Leo Aquarius. It's just huge when transits happened
Speaker 1: to the angles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so profound and even I mean I feel
Speaker 2: like it's funny because most people know the angle is
Speaker 2: your rising sign ascendant, but yeah, the mid Heaven is
Speaker 2: so powerful and all of you know, all four of.
Speaker 1: The yeah, changing like life direction almost Well, it'll be
Speaker 1: interesting to see like how it's like, okay, we got
Speaker 1: into astrology. The last Leo Aquarius eclipses. Now that they're
Speaker 1: coming back around like eight to nine years later, how
Speaker 1: does like the approach change a bit, or how do
Speaker 1: we go in a different direction with astrology or new
Speaker 1: interests start to come up that you want to blend
Speaker 1: with it. Have you started to feel like more inspired again?
Speaker 1: Because we talked about like Saturn and pieces was heavy,
Speaker 1: I had no creative inspiration that whole transit.
Speaker 2: Yes, was the case for me too.
Speaker 1: It just felt very like I don't know, like too
Speaker 1: much going on internally to even like experiment or have
Speaker 1: fun with like the content I was putting out or
Speaker 1: what I wanted to share about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I've been coming out of a
Speaker 2: winter season and you have to in a way. But yeah,
Speaker 2: and I think that now having there's a lot of
Speaker 2: transits that go into this. But I definitely have been
Speaker 2: feeling more creatively inspired and I have so many ideas.
Speaker 2: It almost feels like I have so many ideas though
Speaker 2: I don't even know where to begin. Like it feels
Speaker 2: kind of that same energy I had back in twenty
Speaker 2: eighteen with that first eclipse and Aquarius for me, where
Speaker 2: I was like, oh wait, there's so much here that
Speaker 2: excites me. So yeah, I'm curious where it goes. I
Speaker 2: don't really know because I'm in it.
Speaker 1: But I mean there's still like so home, there's still
Speaker 1: two more Leo eclipses and three more Aquarius sort of
Speaker 1: like build upon each other. Yeah, we only have that
Speaker 1: initial Aquarius eclipse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that we've got a taste of it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: back in February.
Speaker 1: So you moved from Spain. Was that end of last
Speaker 1: year or early this year?
Speaker 2: October twenty twenty five?
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, what was like the astrology behind your big move.
Speaker 2: I really think I had a lot to do with
Speaker 2: when Jupiter moved into cancer that was in June, but
Speaker 2: like that was kind of out of nowhere, just being
Speaker 2: like an opportunity came up that yeah we're like, oh wait,
Speaker 2: we could go do this, and just a lot came up,
Speaker 2: I think, like a lot of emotions. And I also
Speaker 2: think I've been talking to a lot of people about that,
Speaker 2: just like in the DMS and stuff, but about like
Speaker 2: Jupiter moving into cancer how it affected them in a
Speaker 2: similar way. Because I mentioned it's about kind of made
Speaker 2: me homesick, which is a feeling that I usually don't
Speaker 2: feel that much. But I feel like Jupiter in the
Speaker 2: Sign of Cancer, which is so much about home. It
Speaker 2: you know, triggered that for me.
Speaker 1: So even though it was like second house, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: also feel like the eclipses in your fourth we're just
Speaker 1: big four okay, like seeing family more frequently and also
Speaker 1: having a huge move like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the last time was when I moved to New
Speaker 2: York back in sixteen clips. Yeah, like the week of
Speaker 2: the Virgo eclipse, I moved to New York.
Speaker 1: That's so cool to see like the patterns over years,
Speaker 1: how like a similar change gets brought up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's been really it's been a really big adjustment.
Speaker 2: I feel like moving back to a small rural town
Speaker 2: like where I grew up, but in a really good way.
Speaker 2: Like it's been really fun being by my family and
Speaker 2: see my sister as more and I love the Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it's so bizarre because a year prior we were
Speaker 2: looking for homes in Spain. So it's like such a
Speaker 2: dramatic shift.
Speaker 1: What was interesting, how like at the start of the
Speaker 1: Virgo eclips as, you were like, I'm gonna settle down
Speaker 1: in Spain and this home and then like the next
Speaker 1: set of eclipses in Virgo came along and you were like, wait,
Speaker 1: just kidding, like we're moving back to the US.
Speaker 2: I know, and I think it also, I mean it's
Speaker 2: not I think the bigger, grander scheme, like if I
Speaker 2: zoom out more. When Pluto even shifted into Aquarius, like
Speaker 2: back in twenty twenty three, I feel like I already
Speaker 2: started to feel the breadcrumbs leading.
Speaker 1: Me to moving back to the US because that was
Speaker 1: I mean, Aquarius is your ninth house, but is it
Speaker 1: also because it's opposite to your Icy affecting that.
Speaker 2: I think it had to be like yeah, my angles
Speaker 2: of the Icy and Leo and like that home part.
Speaker 2: But I think also just it's squaring my moon and
Speaker 2: my son like that combined with all these outer planets
Speaker 2: for everyone listening, are affecting people. If you have especially planets,
Speaker 2: an early degree of any sign because it's either conjunct, opposing,
Speaker 2: or squaring. Yeah, you're in a snaptunner Pluto right now.
Speaker 1: That's a good point how it's like the early placements
Speaker 1: of these signs, and then it's if you have later
Speaker 1: Aquarius or later fixed sign, like you're not gonna feel
Speaker 1: Pluto until like the twenty thirties twenty forties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like okay, and nothing's happened yet, and it's
Speaker 2: like it's dormant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, stuff will happen, I guess with the Aquarius eclipses. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but like it's always important to like time it with
Speaker 1: your own chart, like when does it reach exact degrees?
Speaker 2: Yeah, basically, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: I want to pivot and talk a bit about like
Speaker 1: pregnancy and also like children, like parent children like chart semistry,
Speaker 1: because I feel like every time we get on a call,
Speaker 1: we're like always trying to figure out what my child's
Speaker 1: birth TRUG will be. And I just wanted to go
Speaker 1: over like what are we like, how are we coming
Speaker 1: up with these dates? Like what are important alignments you
Speaker 1: often see between parents and children? And like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I feel like people are always interested in that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's so fun parent child's and his
Speaker 2: history as its whole, it's a whole nother just because
Speaker 2: but it's so revealing of these key actual dynamics you
Speaker 2: have between like if you don't get along with your mom,
Speaker 2: or if you really get along with a sibling even
Speaker 2: or like the family dynamics are so fun to look at.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think, like, is what do you
Speaker 1: see the most frequently with I don't know, do you
Speaker 1: see it differently for like mom and child versus dad
Speaker 1: and child, or I kind of see it does the same.
Speaker 2: I'm so curious with you how you'll respond to this
Speaker 2: because I want to hear what your thoughts are. But
Speaker 2: I feel like there's always it depends, But I I
Speaker 2: feel like it's so tied up in past lifetimes m M.
Speaker 2: And you can't know that, like who who has more
Speaker 2: of a tie, Like I think sometimes it's more connected
Speaker 2: the child is and their astrology to the mom or
Speaker 2: to the dad, and you know, like that shows up
Speaker 2: in its own timing, but it always does have some
Speaker 2: sort of tie into their charts, like one or the
Speaker 2: other both.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Like I feel kind of going back to
Speaker 1: what we were just talking about with the angles being
Speaker 1: so important in your chart. I do feel like there
Speaker 1: always needs to be like a match up between the
Speaker 1: angles that the child has in their chart and the
Speaker 1: angles of the parent hause.
Speaker 2: Yeah, angles are huge or its sun moon moon is
Speaker 2: so much about family and the mother especially, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: the sun ties in a lot of time with the
Speaker 2: dad or the father figure too. Like mother figure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you associate fourth house with like a single
Speaker 1: parent or because like I know some astrologers like, oh,
Speaker 1: tenth houses mom, fourth house is dad. I very much
Speaker 1: see fourth houses mom.
Speaker 2: I'm more inclined to see that. I think it. Also,
Speaker 2: it's really interesting because I have seen it with clients
Speaker 2: where it's the reverse where I feel like but that
Speaker 2: like let's say their dad was a stay at home
Speaker 2: dad or they had a single parent. I just think
Speaker 2: the fourth house has so much tie into family and
Speaker 2: the nurturing most nurturing person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's okay interesting, and then the ruling planet of
Speaker 1: the fourth giving more clues into that relationship with the
Speaker 1: dynamic than the family. Yeah, going back to like parent
Speaker 1: child seinistery stuff too, like just what I wanted to say,
Speaker 1: Like in addition to the talk about the angles, like
Speaker 1: I'll see often a parent will have like one rising
Speaker 1: sign and then the child will have that as like
Speaker 1: their mid heaven sign. Like so for instance, like I
Speaker 1: think I know someone who just had a baby and
Speaker 1: they are Capricorn rising and their child had like a
Speaker 1: Capricorn mid heaven. So it's not as like obvious as
Speaker 1: like oh they have their sun and moon in the
Speaker 1: same sign, but it's still like when bigger life events
Speaker 1: come along to the angles, it's affecting them as like
Speaker 1: a family unit.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, the angles are just very underappreciated, I feel
Speaker 2: like a lot of the time, but they really do
Speaker 2: take off certain massive transforming events, especially for the first child.
Speaker 2: I notice, like it's not I mean, every child is important,
Speaker 2: Like I'm a middle child myself, Okay, but I do
Speaker 2: think that a lot of the time, you'll see the
Speaker 2: first baby that someone has has a lot of tie
Speaker 2: in with like because your identity is shifting. You're having
Speaker 2: a child, but you also are going to become fully
Speaker 2: a mother, so I think it and Jesse a dad,
Speaker 2: you know. So I feel like it has such a
Speaker 2: huge impact in the chart for the first first kid.
Speaker 1: No, I love that you brought that up because someone
Speaker 1: had asked me about that. I put out on substock
Speaker 1: like astrology or pregnancy and transits I often see and
Speaker 1: like first house ones were big, and people someone was like,
Speaker 1: would this be the same if it was a second
Speaker 1: or third child or whatever? Yeah, I was like, No,
Speaker 1: I actually think like the identity stuff, like the major
Speaker 1: first house transits would be more linked to a first child.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Because of that, like you're stepping into a new role,
Speaker 1: becoming a parent.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And this just makes me like about your birth chart,
Speaker 2: I've done with the sad thing over it today, like
Speaker 2: looking at charts, like what what is she gonna be?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I know what. So I'm like trying to think
Speaker 1: of the best way to phrase this or talk about this,
Speaker 1: but like, what do you like looking at my chart,
Speaker 1: when do you think she'll be born? And like why Okay,
Speaker 1: based on like what like powerful sinistery alignments you would
Speaker 1: be looking at to determine that date.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, so I think just to back it up,
Speaker 2: I will say, and we kind of talked about this,
Speaker 2: but looking at the sinistry, obviously the sun, the moon,
Speaker 2: and all four of the angles are huge for that. Also,
Speaker 2: like for your chart, especially Alice, it's crazy how much
Speaker 2: Jupiter comes into play because Jupiter is the ruler of
Speaker 2: your fifth house, yes, which is Sagittari, So that's ruled
Speaker 2: by Jupiter. So that's like your baby ruler.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then also like the your chart's really interesting because
Speaker 2: the ancient ruler of Pisces, your eighth house, which is
Speaker 2: also tied in with birth. It is also Jupiter. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I feel like it's wild that you're having you're
Speaker 2: gonna give birth when Jupiter is very close to your ascendant.
Speaker 1: We talk more about eighth house being tied to birth.
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I never like consider that manifestation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I feel like it's like death and rebirth, okay,
Speaker 2: and I see a lot of time sometimes, I mean
Speaker 2: just the eighth house in general. Can it's such a
Speaker 2: creative placement too, and like creating life is another manifestation
Speaker 2: of that. I also feel like the tie in with
Speaker 2: sex and the eighth house, like babies is gonna come
Speaker 2: about with that, So I feel like there's that ty
Speaker 2: in too. But I see that often when someone does
Speaker 2: give birth, like the eighth house and I will have
Speaker 2: a bigger but especially for your chart because Jupiter is
Speaker 2: connecting the fifth house and eighth house because you have
Speaker 2: Sagittarius and Pisces ruling those houses and they're both Jupiter.
Speaker 1: So then Jupiter transit's becoming a lot more important.
Speaker 2: For your specific chart as a Leo rising.
Speaker 1: But like for someone else that doesn't have the fifth
Speaker 1: and eighth linked, it would still be like, okay, what
Speaker 1: is the fifth housel are doing in transit at the
Speaker 1: time they give birth.
Speaker 2: I would look at that, yeah. Yeah, and the Eighth
Speaker 2: House though too, just because it because I also like
Speaker 2: giving birth. It sounds like such a beautiful thing. And
Speaker 2: I know what you've talked about this too, but like
Speaker 2: that's not something normal, like it's scary too in a way,
Speaker 2: or like it can be something beautiful, but it's like yeah,
Speaker 2: like yeah, even just identity wise or like at a
Speaker 2: deeper soul level, I feel like there's you before being
Speaker 2: a mom, and then there's like you after you give birth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like.
Speaker 2: Very Eighth House to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, huge transformation. Yeah, I'm like, my dudate kind of
Speaker 1: comes right in the midst of an eclipse on my ascendant.
Speaker 1: But then really it's super close to the Eighth House eclipse,
Speaker 1: the Pisces eclipse on my moon. Yeah, but these eclipses
Speaker 1: ruled by Jupiter, which will be on my ascendant at
Speaker 1: the time of the eclipse. Crazy, so it's kind of
Speaker 1: like what you were just talking about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, honestly, right around your due date. I
Speaker 2: think it's all awesome astrology that like there's so many
Speaker 2: indicators for giving birth. Yea, like I also like being
Speaker 2: a more positive experience not gone.
Speaker 1: With I know, I please, I'll have It'll be a
Speaker 1: Mars return in the twelfth House. So I'm just hoping
Speaker 1: there's not like a medical I mean, obviously I'm going
Speaker 1: to the hospital to give birth, but so that is
Speaker 1: a twelfth House same, But yeah, praying it doesn't. It's
Speaker 1: not like traumatic.
Speaker 2: No, I feel like Jupiter and on your ascendant is
Speaker 2: it just feels like you're protected. Jupiter in a spiritual
Speaker 2: sense is about protection. Yeah, it feels like you're being
Speaker 2: watched over.
Speaker 1: Do you think she'll be a Leo or a Virgo?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it's really a good question.
Speaker 1: Kind of like the due dates at the very start
Speaker 1: of Burgo season play, so it could go either way.
Speaker 2: I think she'll be a Virgo. Yeah, I do, because
Speaker 2: I also feel like, especially like obviously just since you've
Speaker 2: talked about, like when we've talked about you getting pregnant
Speaker 2: and being like looking forward to and meeting you like
Speaker 2: in persons, we haven't seen each other for so long.
Speaker 2: I'm just like I feel that the child also the chart,
Speaker 2: So the baby's birth chart is going to be the
Speaker 2: trance that's taking place when you get birth, which sounds obvious,
Speaker 2: but like just to you know, to.
Speaker 1: Share, it's always interesting to point that out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because and so you like that child like you listening,
Speaker 2: You are a living reminder to your parents of the
Speaker 2: trance's happening when you enter.
Speaker 1: Their lives, like how they felt about going on, Yeah,
Speaker 1: in that moment in time.
Speaker 2: Like if they give birth to you during their sad
Speaker 2: in return, you are kind of like a Sadden return
Speaker 2: to them. Yes, is like a Jupiter return, which would
Speaker 2: be a lot easier.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be just Jupiter return.
Speaker 2: I love that I have that with my dad that.
Speaker 1: I'm like trying to think of what I have with
Speaker 1: my parents. But I don't think I was born at
Speaker 1: one of their returns. No, but I was, Yeah, I was.
Speaker 1: My Saturn was transitting my mom's first house on her
Speaker 1: ascendant when I was born. Yeah, she's like a heavy
Speaker 1: Saturn transit she was going through.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so it's almost like you are the living
Speaker 2: embodiment of those transits that kind of energetically brings up
Speaker 2: that heavier placement yea and vice versa.
Speaker 1: I guess when it comes down to like predicting like
Speaker 1: an exact date for birth, it's kind of like where's
Speaker 1: the moon going to be? That's really when it's like
Speaker 1: it gets into that nitty gritty of like could it
Speaker 1: be this day? Could it be that day? And there
Speaker 1: are certain moon signs where I'm just like that, I
Speaker 1: just like don't think that would work, not in terms
Speaker 1: of like compatibility, but just like timing and lining up
Speaker 1: and how it goes back to like if you're part
Speaker 1: of a family unit, like you're going through these changes
Speaker 1: together as a family, the sinistery has to line up
Speaker 1: in that way where it's like, Okay, if we're all
Speaker 1: moving homes, we're all like moving to a new home
Speaker 1: together as a family, Like they're gonna have chart alignments
Speaker 1: that also speak to like how that timing is making
Speaker 1: sense for them as well as like me and their dad.
Speaker 2: Oh totally, Like I mean this kind of kind of
Speaker 2: off topic, but I feel like when I'm looking at
Speaker 2: my family's chart, like I'm one of like four girls
Speaker 2: and my parents, we all have a lot of Scorpio
Speaker 2: in our charts, and so it's really interesting like when
Speaker 2: there are scorpio eclipses or when there's a big transit there,
Speaker 2: or like in the fall and there's retrogrades, like usually
Speaker 2: there's something that affects everyone to your point, So yeah,
Speaker 2: you're completely right.
Speaker 1: Like looking at my family, like my dad, my sister,
Speaker 1: and I are all Leo risings, so we all have
Speaker 1: like the same house system, like our fourth house is
Speaker 1: all Scorpio and then our mom my mom is an
Speaker 1: Aquarius rising, so it's still like the tourus Scorpio is
Speaker 1: the tenth fourth. So it's like when we were moving
Speaker 1: or when family stuff was taking place, like they got divorced,
Speaker 1: it was all showing up like at the same time
Speaker 1: in our charts. And that's why I think, like sent
Speaker 1: a street with family members is so important. It's not
Speaker 1: so much about like do we get along or is
Speaker 1: there compatibility, It's like is the timing of the lives
Speaker 1: matching up?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the timing is. That's a really good point because
Speaker 2: it's not all about compatibility. You're not like looking at
Speaker 2: your when will the baby be born to be like
Speaker 2: will they be a good match? Like, obviously it's gonna
Speaker 2: be a good match because you are the mother, Yeah,
Speaker 2: or at least like it's what your soul called for, Yeah,
Speaker 2: your baby's soul, So it's always meant to be yeah,
Speaker 2: but there are times where you can say, like, Okay,
Speaker 2: you can rest easy for the next like forty eight
Speaker 2: hours because she won't be born yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, I just like don't see her having like
Speaker 1: a Capricorn moon, for instance, because I'm like, I don't
Speaker 1: have major planets in Capricorn, Like I don't know, major
Speaker 1: life events don't really happen under Capricorn transits for me, yeah,
Speaker 1: Whereas if I had a child with a Capricorn moon,
Speaker 1: they would for them, yeah, but not for the rest
Speaker 1: of the family, Like it wouldn't make sense as much,
Speaker 1: whereas like if they have an Aquarius or Pisce's moon,
Speaker 1: that would make a lot more sense. Yeah.
Speaker 2: What do you do you feel? Like, do you feel
Speaker 2: like it's Leo or I'm.
Speaker 1: Gonna make it. I think she's gonna be a Virgo okay,
Speaker 1: and I think she's gonna be born on August twenty ninth.
Speaker 2: Okay, why say Moore.
Speaker 1: I just think she's gonna have her moon in Pisces
Speaker 1: just because I have a Piscy's moon and my husband's
Speaker 1: fourth houses Pisces.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just like that's my final prediction that I'm
Speaker 1: making here. I love that I'll see if I'm right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a really I don't know why, Alice,
Speaker 2: But when I was thinking about it, I don't even
Speaker 2: feel like it makes as much of astrology sense as
Speaker 2: other potential dates for her due date. But September third,
Speaker 2: I feel like it maybe the date September third.
Speaker 1: As I'm placing my bed on that, and that's a
Speaker 1: Gemini moon, right, yes, okay, yes, why what you're reasoning?
Speaker 2: Okay, it's kind of well, I don't know. I just
Speaker 2: think intuitively, I feel like it's gonna be like early September.
Speaker 2: But I feel like the Virgo makes so much sense
Speaker 2: to me because it helps balance, Like in your chart.
Speaker 2: I actually see that a lot in first time others
Speaker 2: where they have their child son in the second house.
Speaker 2: Not every mother obviously, but like when that child helps
Speaker 2: them to like feel a deeper sense of I don't know,
Speaker 2: self worth, or it changes their value system or you know,
Speaker 2: second house themes, because that baby's son is going to
Speaker 2: light up your second house. If you're Leo riising, your
Speaker 2: second house is Virgo, they have a Virgo son. I
Speaker 2: had never thought of that, like, because I love that placement.
Speaker 1: My moon and my venus fall in my mom's second house.
Speaker 1: She's having second house transits. Yeah when I was born.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I never thought of that, but it almost like activates,
Speaker 2: like that's a change in the mother or you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I always prioritize like fourth house with family,
Speaker 1: or the icy sign of you of your icy in
Speaker 1: like the third house or the fifth house. I'd prioritize
Speaker 1: that sign a bit more. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just interesting because like when you can I mean,
Speaker 2: this is for anyone. You can look to see Okay,
Speaker 2: this is your mom's chart or your dad's or whoever
Speaker 2: is your guardians, but you look to see where is
Speaker 2: your son by a sign, and you can look to
Speaker 2: see where it falls, you know obviously by house. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you look to the corresponding house in their chart. Yes,
Speaker 2: and then it's showing like what area do you light
Speaker 2: up like the sun in their chart? Okay, just a
Speaker 2: fun thing to look at.
Speaker 1: Wait, so going back to September third, why why is
Speaker 1: that because you mentioned okay, virgo sun makes more sense, okay,
Speaker 1: Well just why the Gemini moon okay? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well also the Virgo piece is that I feel like
Speaker 2: this baby has really grounded you, and that's like the
Speaker 2: Earth sign. That's the Earth kind of Virgo. I get
Speaker 2: that sense. But also I feel like, yeah, your values,
Speaker 2: like you just feel very in such a good spot,
Speaker 2: you know, like I feel like that grounds you. And
Speaker 2: then also the Gemini moon, I mean, I just love
Speaker 2: Gemini moons. As a Gemini rising, it probably buys to that,
Speaker 2: but I also feel like it's a good sign for
Speaker 2: you because it feels like like in Jesse's chart would
Speaker 2: light up his seventh house and he also has Venus there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I just feel like, you know, she like have
Speaker 2: them wrapped around her finger, like that's actually kind of
Speaker 2: common sometimes. Yeah, But then so he has like that connection.
Speaker 2: And then for you, I just think that because you
Speaker 2: have your Pisce's moon and your son, which is a
Speaker 2: mutable sign, and then your son is in an air
Speaker 2: sign in Aquarius, like that's the common air mutable gems.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I just like, but I feel like
Speaker 2: you also do tend to get along with people who
Speaker 2: have a lot of Gemini in their chart too, Like.
Speaker 1: My dad's a Gemini moon. I think it's because I
Speaker 1: myself's node there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the past life connection, yes, like nodle conjunct
Speaker 2: to South node.
Speaker 1: Do you think nodle semistry. I mean, I'm sure you do.
Speaker 1: Like it's it's an important I just see that a
Speaker 1: lot with parents and children.
Speaker 2: That's huge. That's another really big one along with angles
Speaker 2: like you were talking about.
Speaker 1: Do you notice like if it's more South node you
Speaker 1: see with parents and children or North node. Because I
Speaker 1: always talk about how with synistry, South No connections are
Speaker 1: easier whereas North node is harder.
Speaker 2: I think I always use the word familiar like when
Speaker 2: I'm teaching about it, because sometimes it depends on the planet,
Speaker 2: like South No conjunct Mars would be like like I
Speaker 2: doubt you know, it does feel like familiar, and that's
Speaker 2: usually in a home family sense, like more comfortable. But yeah,
Speaker 2: it can be both, but it definitely speaks to if
Speaker 2: that's easier or more difficult, or like North No connections
Speaker 2: are more what does your soul have to teach one another?
Speaker 2: Because it goes both ways too. I think sometimes with synatry,
Speaker 2: where we tend to think if it's my mars on
Speaker 2: someone's South No, then that was me with the mars,
Speaker 2: like I'm frustrating them or something. But it goes back
Speaker 2: and forth because.
Speaker 1: I'm always thinking like about my nodle placement in north
Speaker 1: Nordon Sagittarius, South Nodon Gemini. Like, Okay, I feel like
Speaker 1: she has to have something key in her chart around
Speaker 1: those two signs just to have like a nodal connection. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think there's gonna be like no connection to
Speaker 1: the nodes.
Speaker 2: I agree. Yeah, I think the nose are gonna show
Speaker 2: up in that way. I mean, but I also think
Speaker 2: that it's very common to have some connection with your
Speaker 2: sunman rising. Yeah, so your sunmon rising Aquarius, Leo Pisces.
Speaker 2: I feel like that could show up as her.
Speaker 1: Rising sign or her moon sign or and then the
Speaker 1: mid heaven icy too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Also which she gives a lot of options.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's too much. Yeah, but Jesse has Virgo Midhaven,
Speaker 1: so that's kind of why Virgo makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I also just like the Yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: I think that for you. I I it's because also
Speaker 2: there are other places even though she won't be a
Speaker 2: well she might be. I'm just like predicting that she
Speaker 2: won't feel Leo, but she still has Jupe in Leo,
Speaker 2: so you'll have that, which I love that sinistry connection
Speaker 2: yea with Jupiter on your icy I feel like it
Speaker 2: well just or you're a c Yeah, but it just
Speaker 2: helps to have this. It overrides so many kind of
Speaker 2: frustrations or different challenges in a chart. When you have
Speaker 2: a Jupiter, it's a it's a feel good sentistery. Yeah,
Speaker 2: totally like friendship kind of feeling like you.
Speaker 1: Have your Juter and Scorpio and I might Icy and Scorpio,
Speaker 1: and I think we have that like matchup of yeah,
Speaker 1: it's easier. We're like, I know people that have Mars
Speaker 1: and Scorpio. There's more of a tense interaction I have
Speaker 1: with them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's just energetic. Sometimes you're like, oh, you're
Speaker 2: both good people, but like you just rub each other
Speaker 2: the wrong way or like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really interesting.
Speaker 2: Nothing personal astrology.
Speaker 1: Okay, So those are our final predictions and why Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think so I feel good about my choice.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I wonder if either of us will be
Speaker 1: right or we'll both be like so shocked.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think if we had more time, like if
Speaker 2: I sat down with it, we could narrow a down where.
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, I like these.
Speaker 2: But ultimately, whatever chart your baby has, it may be
Speaker 2: so happy because she's your baby. Yeah, and it'll it'll
Speaker 2: make so much sense because we can't know. We're just humans,
Speaker 2: you know, like with their human minds. We can try
Speaker 2: to think which ones might timing wise be more applicable.
Speaker 2: But what I think gets really interesting is seeing whatever
Speaker 2: chart is, okay, how does that affect you? How does
Speaker 2: that impact your relationship and how you interact with each
Speaker 2: other and past life connections and all that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be so cool. Yeah, seeing how also
Speaker 1: like a child grows into their chart over time as well. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I want to pivot a bit and talk about pets
Speaker 1: because since we last recorded, which is like May of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, we both got pets during the last year.
Speaker 1: I got a cat and then you got a dog,
Speaker 1: and we I don't know as much about you know,
Speaker 1: your pets Sun Moon Rising. Yeah, I just know my
Speaker 1: cat's Sun and Moon, because.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to ask.
Speaker 1: I'm scared of.
Speaker 2: Before I even got our dog. I mean probably would
Speaker 2: have gote here anyway, but I was like, what time
Speaker 2: was she?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, just to be like are we compatible?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, because you know, you get a dog or
Speaker 2: a cat, you're gonna have that animal for such a
Speaker 2: long time. Yeah, it was actually perfect sinistry. I was like, God,
Speaker 2: that's the animal.
Speaker 1: But it's also interesting. It's like I didn't plan to
Speaker 1: get a cat around a certain date because of me either.
Speaker 1: It just like happened. And then like this sinistry is
Speaker 1: so strong.
Speaker 2: So strong for you and your cat and for dog.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like my cat is Piscy's son. I have a
Speaker 1: Piscey's moon. Yeah, and he has the cat also has
Speaker 1: a Taurus moon, and my husband's a trust sun, so
Speaker 1: he's the sun moon matchup with both of us.
Speaker 2: So cute.
Speaker 1: Do you notice because you know, like the full rising
Speaker 1: sign in the houses, do you notice, like transit's affecting
Speaker 1: your pet?
Speaker 2: Yes? I mean, okay, so my pet super cute. She's
Speaker 2: like a little king Charles Cavalier. I'm obsessed with her.
Speaker 2: Her name is Whimsy, and yeah, so she is. If
Speaker 2: she had been born an hour earlier, she would have
Speaker 2: been a triple Scorpio actually, so yeah, so she's Scorpio
Speaker 2: sun Scorpio rising, and moon in Sagittarius.
Speaker 1: So the moon is just satar.
Speaker 2: Yeah okay, but basically it's funny to see how and yeah,
Speaker 2: timing things definitely come up, like you can just tell
Speaker 2: when they're like I always notice when the moon is
Speaker 2: in Scorpio because it's I have my moon and Scorpio.
Speaker 2: But I see for her that there's kind of like
Speaker 2: developmental things, like actually it just happened and she starts.
Speaker 2: She never barks ever, she's such a chill dog, but
Speaker 2: she started to kind of bark at things randomly with
Speaker 2: the moon in Scorpio recently.
Speaker 1: Knows that just like I wonder what will happen with
Speaker 1: her when there's like venus and mercury retrograde and Scorpio effect. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true because I noticed, even though I don't know
Speaker 1: my cat's rising sign, like he's so affected by mercury retrogrades,
Speaker 1: like he got really sick of the last one. He
Speaker 1: has been kind of like antisocial or just more introverted
Speaker 1: at this past one in cancer. So I'm just like
Speaker 1: I feel like he is like ruled by mercury. Mercury
Speaker 1: is a big.
Speaker 2: Presence in his Gemini rising.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's just like you need to ask, we
Speaker 2: must know.
Speaker 1: I know. I just feel like I get so many
Speaker 1: questions like does astrology apply to Petsy?
Speaker 2: It does? Oh for sure? Does I think? Also the
Speaker 2: caveat there is how important is your pet to you?
Speaker 2: Like I think sometimes like are we talking about like me?
Speaker 2: Most people have very strong connections with their pets though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it's like natural, like kind of
Speaker 1: going back like this sinistery. It's like you don't have
Speaker 1: to plan for it. No, it's like a child too,
Speaker 1: like it just happens. Yeah, it just happens.
Speaker 2: And it's just shows that the timing is vine and
Speaker 2: you don't even have to worry. Really, Yeah, it's fun
Speaker 2: to look at it.
Speaker 1: I want to end by talking about like what we're
Speaker 1: what transits we're excited for, Like what I don't know
Speaker 1: what we're looking forward to for the next like six
Speaker 1: months to a year. Are there any that you're like
Speaker 1: anticipating will be bigger for you?
Speaker 2: Oh? I love that question. Well, we talked about a
Speaker 2: lot of them, so quarious. I love all the outer planets.
Speaker 2: But I also think the retrograde is happening in the
Speaker 2: fall in November especially, just mark your retrograde venus retrograde,
Speaker 2: seeing how that shows up, because I have a stellium
Speaker 2: in Scorpio.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that'll affect you hopefully because the venus is
Speaker 1: part Libra. But the Scorpio part is kind of more
Speaker 1: impactful for you than the.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think just because I'm thinking my moon, how
Speaker 2: it gets impacted. But yeah, just seeing what comes up
Speaker 2: there for me. And also because I genuinely like retrogrades.
Speaker 2: And I think that's just because I like how reflective
Speaker 2: they make you. M Like you're just forced to reflect
Speaker 2: on that area of life.
Speaker 1: Is there one you find harder than others, like out
Speaker 1: of like Mercury venus or Mars retrogrades. I mean they're
Speaker 1: like so different.
Speaker 2: I notice that Mercury retrogrades more. Yeah, I really do. Yeah,
Speaker 2: even though they're more common, I actually do feel that more.
Speaker 1: I think they like cause everyday life stuff disruptions a
Speaker 1: lot more than like the other retrogrades.
Speaker 2: Do I agree? Whereas the other retrogrades, I know they
Speaker 2: would affect you more, Like with Mercury being my chart ruler,
Speaker 2: I think you do notice those more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what about you? I I don't know, Like I
Speaker 1: feel like the Mars retrograde is very looming for me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just Mars retrograde always is. It's such a big like
Speaker 1: turning point that really like gets you to think about
Speaker 1: where do you want to be next? And I always
Speaker 1: just wind out the Mars rectrigrade's over, You're in a
Speaker 1: new direction for the next two years. Yeah, So it's
Speaker 1: almost like for the months leading up to the Mars retrograde,
Speaker 1: it's hard to like make a bigger decision about like
Speaker 1: my business or like how I go about different stuff
Speaker 1: I put energy into, because I'm like, I will probably
Speaker 1: feel a different way once that retrograde ends on April first.
Speaker 2: It's almost this liminal time with your energy where you
Speaker 2: don't want to commit to anything because you know that
Speaker 2: whatever say yes to you now, it will shift.
Speaker 1: I always give this as an example of the Mars
Speaker 1: retrograde in my ninth house, like in twenty twenty, when
Speaker 1: it was in Aries and it was eleventh House for you,
Speaker 1: and how before that retrograde we were like we want
Speaker 1: to like share astrology, but we don't know how. And
Speaker 1: then like the day the retrograde ended, we were like,
Speaker 1: let's start a podcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, literally, I think it was actually like yeah, couple
Speaker 2: days or something.
Speaker 1: But it was like we couldn't figure it out the
Speaker 1: whole time, and then.
Speaker 2: It became so easy afterwards. It just clicked. And I
Speaker 2: remember even like the name, We're like, oh, this like
Speaker 2: everything just floats the brando.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, all got off the ground, like in the
Speaker 1: two months after the more structure green ended.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, and that's another example of the timing of astrology,
Speaker 2: because I know, Alice, like I appreciate the timing of
Speaker 2: things too, but like you especially, I think just knowing,
Speaker 2: even if you're in a heavier time, you can look
Speaker 2: at your transits and you can say, Okay, right now
Speaker 2: I'm in a tunnel. Yeah, and the light is here,
Speaker 2: like at this date, things will get easier, you know.
Speaker 2: I feel really it's dramatic how obvious it shows up.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And it's something that gave me hope the last
Speaker 1: couple of years that felt so heavy with all the
Speaker 1: eighth of twelfth emphasis, and I like, yeah, sometimes it's
Speaker 1: hard to believe, like, well it ever get better, And
Speaker 1: then it does and you're like, oh, it actually is accurate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know it.
Speaker 2: It is always so fun because I'm like, oh, man,
Speaker 2: like you just can't doubt it. Yeah, And it's so
Speaker 2: much easier, like when you're looking at client charts because
Speaker 2: you're so you're not in it, you're able to kind
Speaker 2: of object that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But then sometimes people don't really believe you. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: trust me, like it's going to turn around at this.
Speaker 2: Day or sometimes too like things are so far off
Speaker 2: that it sometimes can feel. But to me it helps
Speaker 2: because even if it's a couple of years off where
Speaker 2: things will get lighter, and I'd rather know that though
Speaker 2: it's not like another day, another day, like just kind
Speaker 2: of being realistic that you need to slow down, like
Speaker 2: it's not just going to pass overnight. You need to
Speaker 2: take better care of yourself or you need to like
Speaker 2: give yourself more grace or so down more. You know.
Speaker 1: I think that mentality has been so helpful being pregnant
Speaker 1: and being like what's going to happen with work after
Speaker 1: I have a child? Because it's like I can see
Speaker 1: a couple of years on the road. I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: career really picks back up again. Yeah, It's like even
Speaker 1: if it's so much hard or like confusing in the moment,
Speaker 1: I'm like I know, in like six months to a
Speaker 1: year from now, like I'll know what to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and when the energy is there, you'll use it.
Speaker 2: But if it's not there, you just can't. I mean,
Speaker 2: you can try to do it, but it's just going
Speaker 2: to be like trying to drive a car and you're
Speaker 2: stuck in mud. Exactly, frustrating for everyone involved.
Speaker 1: That's what I always say, Like you're not meant to
Speaker 1: know the answer or like right now you're going to
Speaker 1: figure out when the transit like goes into effect, but
Speaker 1: not a minute before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's very frustrating, but it's true.
Speaker 1: Oh, it was so good to catch up with you.
Speaker 1: Where can everyone find you, Macine?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so just my name Maxine? So max I E
Speaker 2: l u z I A on Instagram right, yes, on
Speaker 2: Instagram and YouTube those are I want to do more
Speaker 2: on YouTube too, because it's just yeah, I feel like
Speaker 2: I have so many ideas and I want to yeah.
Speaker 1: To watch that SPA.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I was doing Spiritual Astrology school again this fall.
Speaker 2: I do it once a year, so if you want
Speaker 2: more on that, yeah, like that'll start out end of
Speaker 2: August for enrollment.
Speaker 1: Okay, and for anyone listening who missed the first episode
Speaker 1: with you, go back to my first episode with Maxine,
Speaker 1: because that's where we go over your whole approach to
Speaker 1: like you more have a spiritual slant to your astrology practice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Oh I love, but you just learn how
Speaker 2: to read charts and it's really fun. So I'm looking
Speaker 2: forward to that and then I just that and lots
Speaker 2: of readings. Yeah, I always, we always, Alisonne always talk
Speaker 2: about it where we're always kind of like there are
Speaker 2: certain seasons of life where we just really feel like
Speaker 2: called to do readings and other ones where it's kind
Speaker 2: of nice to take a pause.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is true. It like comes and goes and flows. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: thank you for going me.
Speaker 2: We're going to go to dinner now.
Speaker 1: Yeah,