Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Astrology with Alice. I'm
here with my good friend and fellow astrologer Maxine, who
has been on the podcast before, and we also used
to have a whole podcast together, Astrology and you. Welcome back, Maccine.
Speaker 2: Thanks Alice. I'm so happy to be here. Honestly, we're
a bit resty, we were just saying before this episode
started because I haven't really been doing much. I've been
taking a kind of pause from social media.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll talk about me here. We'll talk about all
the transits of our slower time in life recently. But yeah,
you're in town for my baby shower. So I'm just
so excited to see you. I know where do you
live now? For everyone that doesn't know.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, big update. So we were living in Spain
and then we just recently moved back in October to
the Midwest. We live in a very small town.
Speaker 1: Now I need to visit you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it is where I grew up, so like
that's kind of yeah, we ended up there, but you
definitely need to visit.
Speaker 1: Oh love. Wait for everyone that doesn't remember from last time,
what is your sun moon and rising?
Speaker 2: Yes? So I am a tourist sun, Scorpio Moon, and
Gemini rising love.
Speaker 1: I just like how you're almost like have a similar
chart as my husband because he's tourists on Scorpio Moon
saj rising, like the opposite.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And for those listening, when Alice is like, this
is his chart and she started dating Jesse, I was like,
he seems like an awesome guy, because basically I think
you guys will get along really well.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So for this episode, we kind of just wanted
to jump around to like a lot of different topics, right,
I want to talk about like what I guess, like
so much astrology has changed over the last few months.
Like we went from the start of twenty twenty six
with like so much water and earth energy, and I know,
like you were in your Saturn return in the last
couple of years, I just had Saturn in the eighth house,
which was a whole other beast. But I feel like
the vibe has very much shifted in the last few
weeks with Jupiter now and Leo. The nodes are shifting
to Leo and Aquarius. Just a couple of days after
we record this, this is July twenty fourth. By the way,
how are you like feeling.
Speaker 2: I've talked about this, Alison. You're very happy about this
because it just feels like when your chart is dominated
like by rising sign it just the way that the
plants are shifting into these fire and air signs, it
just feels so much lighter because it gets out of
the heavier houses personally of my chart.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting, like the even like the career focused house,
like a solder return in the tenth house, like it's
not light. And I remember, like the last major transit
I had and the tenth was Jupiter through the tenth
and that was kind of heavy too. So it's interesting
how it's not just like twelfth, eighth, fourth, yeah, like
as the more emotional houses, but it can also be
like tenth six second too.
Speaker 2: And I feel like it's because they are these houses
where you're building or you're just mean to, Like it
feels like those houses are so inner reflective and you
have to kind of take stock of where you've been,
and they're very heavy in the past. I feel like
compared to the other houses of the chart, like the first,
the third, the yeah, the odd numbered houses, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Personally, those are more like creatively inspired, like where you're
like meeting people, you're going out into the world like
you're having fun. Yeah, and then things get so serious
when it's like the even number houses. I didn't even
put that together. It's like even versus odds.
Speaker 2: I know, it's actually finny. I said that, and it
was like, oh, that is true. That's an easy way
to remember.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you're a Gemini rising. Have you noticed a
lot happening with Urinus now in Gemini?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that has been huge. Actually I knew i'd
feel it a lot, but I have really noticed just
Urinus being in my first house. Like any planet in astrology,
especially outer planets, in your first house, I feel like
you feel them so intimately m M, and I mean
anything to your sum moon rising, but the first house,
especially with Uranus, there just feels like that impetus for
change and for feeling like I'm so aware of patterns
and just thinking about the future or kind of like
I've I've really honestly also been struggling with my mental
health a lot more about because that's part of Urinus too.
It for some people like so that's already kind of
constellated in your chart maybe, but it does make me
in my head even that much more, I think, So
that's been one part of it. Yea. But but yeah,
in like a way where I'm excited, like like looking
forward to what's next.
Speaker 1: It's almost like hard to describe first house transits, like
I find when I'm writing horoscopes, I'm like, what should
I say about this, because first house applies to like, yes,
your literal self, but it like creates change in all
of these different areas, like it could come from anywhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's just like that takes such a hold
of your whole life when any planets through the first house,
So like Urinus is so much about transformation, the first
house is affecting every area of your life. So yeah,
it just kind of has a grip over your whole
chart because that's the lens through which you're seeing the
world is the first House. So it's like, yeah, like
everything is being turned upside down, especially in an outer
planet transit in the first.
Speaker 1: I guess we're both having huge first house because like
when we're talking about outer planets, it was like, oh,
I don't have anything major through the first house, and
then I'm like wait a minute, Like I have Jupiter there,
and now I have eclipses coming up, and it's almost
like feeling like you're on the brink of like a
bigger life change coming up, but you don't know like
what it'll result in.
Speaker 2: I guess yeah, because you can't. And also when you're
I always feel like this is true probably for a
lot of transits, but especially outer planets to such personal
plants like your son, with Pluto transitting over your son, Like, yeah,
when you're in it, it's so hard to step back
and see all the shifts happening and how just how
drastic of a transformation is unfolding.
Speaker 1: And sometimes it's very internal too, like I feel like
with Pluto to my son, like yes, I'm having a baby,
Like that's a huge result of that transit. But it's
also like internal mindset shifts. It's like stuff I used
to care about or fix it on, like just falling away,
Like I don't obsess over that as much anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that's the Pluto burning ground. Yeah, it's almost
like Pluto to your son. Well, you have to tell me, like,
how are you feeling it other than the baby, because
that's a big identity shift.
Speaker 1: I feel like, I don't know. It's interesting with outer
planet transits because it's like there's one like event, like
for me, it's having the baby that then results in
like all of these other shifts within yourself. But it's
like the catalyst event occurs. So I do kind of
feel like as I prepare to become a mother and
I'm like heavily pregnant right now, it's like all these
other added it's about like career or like home and
family life, or like shifting as a result. But it's
like that one event is like causing it to happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that's the obvious thing people would point to,
but that's also happening within you too, and it's shifting
so much around.
Speaker 1: And even like the sun being like the my ascendant ruler,
even like my sense of style, like what clothes I'm
drawn to, Like that's changing because I'm like, oh, this
doesn't work for becoming a mom. I can't.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Yeah, I didn't even think of that, Alice,
because not only is it yeah, it also brings your ascendant.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but I would say, like another thing I've
noticed is just like not caring as much what people think.
Speaker 2: Like I've noticed that in you a ton like just
you're so grounded.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you're not. It's really cool to see that
shift where I feel like maybe just because also your
priorities are so focused on like this next chapter and
your baby. But yeah, it looks very good on you.
Speaker 1: It's still the very start of the transit too, Like
my son at six, Pluto's still like at the end
of five. It hasn't. I don't think it's gotten to
like six yet. Yeah, but it'll be interesting, like because
it's such like a two to three year transit. Like
if we touch space in twenty twenty nine, like how
much has changed you.
Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, and you'll look back and be like, oh
my gosh, that was life transforming.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you like same with Uranus, Like we could
fast forward to the twenty thirties and it's like, yeah,
I bet your life goes through so many more changes
in the next several years.
Speaker 2: Totally. Yeah, any of those outer most planetary transits, they'll
have such a Yeah, they just kind of unraveled these
parts of you that like when they touch on personal planets,
it's crazy afterwards. Like I remember when Uranus went over
my son several years ago, and that was just it
shifted so much like there's before that transit and there's
after that transit. Yeah, but like during it, I do
feel like it really asks at least me, maybe because
I'm not like I like change, not that you don't
have the control over your things.
Speaker 1: I think that's well, we both have our son and
fixed signs like Taurus Aquarius. It's like we as an Aquarius.
You think it's about change, but it's like I like
change on it's on my own terms.
Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, And I think when you can't control things,
or when you realize that there are just things you
can't have any control over and you're so used to
just being able to work really hard at something and
it works, or you're used to like just you know,
things kind of go in that direction that you've been
working towards and it's not happening, or things just happened
to you in different ways.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks what I get excited about, like with
Eclipses to my son and Pluto to my son, like
going back to like how we both had Urinus activate
our son, Like yes, that was like a while ago now,
like six seven years ago. It's just I get excited
because it's who I was before that is completely different.
Like I didn't know astrology before. You're in a smooth
to Taurus and squared my son in Aquarius. So I
get excited. I'm like, I don't even know what it's coming,
but I know it's like a change. Yeah, but like
I don't know, it's there's something exciting about it instead
of scary.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I agree, And I think the more that I
the more that we've done astrology, you know, we've talked
about this, but you kind of look forward to transits
that other people kind of fear or fear monger about.
I guess you'll read something in an old astrology book. Yeah,
like terrifying to read, but you just know that's not
I mean, there are lots of potentials, but it's really
beautiful to see how that can be more metaphorical or
it can go in a different way, like how that
energy manifest It's so different. Yeah, and yeah, I guess
this I have to accept because it's going to happen
no matter what. So it's kind of like, Okay, let's
just see what happens. Kind of as an observer, that's
so true.
Speaker 1: I guess this episode is coming out like a couple
of weeks book ahead of like the Leo solar eclipse
and then a few weeks before the Pizeeslonar clips and
the clipses are so much about change, and there's always
so much like fear around eclipses, but like I love them.
Speaker 2: We've always loved a club.
Speaker 1: Ye yeah, yeah, they like bring in this new chapter.
Speaker 2: Yes, and that's what you remember we were talking about
this earlier. But just how when we got into astrology.
That was back with the Leo Aguarus eclipses. Yeah, a
long time ago.
Speaker 1: And that was your nine turn, which makes sense because
it's like spirituality's ninth and that was my first seventh. Yeah,
so it's like identity.
Speaker 2: And angles for both of us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're mid Heaven and Aquarius and Icy and Leo
and my Leo Aquarius. It's just huge when transits happened
to the angles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so profound and even I mean I feel
like it's funny because most people know the angle is
your rising sign ascendant, but yeah, the mid Heaven is
so powerful and all of you know, all four of.
Speaker 1: The yeah, changing like life direction almost Well, it'll be
interesting to see like how it's like, okay, we got
into astrology. The last Leo Aquarius eclipses. Now that they're
coming back around like eight to nine years later, how
does like the approach change a bit, or how do
we go in a different direction with astrology or new
interests start to come up that you want to blend
with it. Have you started to feel like more inspired again?
Because we talked about like Saturn and pieces was heavy,
I had no creative inspiration that whole transit.
Speaker 2: Yes, was the case for me too.
Speaker 1: It just felt very like I don't know, like too
much going on internally to even like experiment or have
fun with like the content I was putting out or
what I wanted to share about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I've been coming out of a
winter season and you have to in a way. But yeah,
and I think that now having there's a lot of
transits that go into this. But I definitely have been
feeling more creatively inspired and I have so many ideas.
It almost feels like I have so many ideas though
I don't even know where to begin. Like it feels
kind of that same energy I had back in twenty
eighteen with that first eclipse and Aquarius for me, where
I was like, oh wait, there's so much here that
excites me. So yeah, I'm curious where it goes. I
don't really know because I'm in it.
Speaker 1: But I mean there's still like so home, there's still
two more Leo eclipses and three more Aquarius sort of
like build upon each other. Yeah, we only have that
initial Aquarius eclipse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that we've got a taste of it. Yeah,
back in February.
Speaker 1: So you moved from Spain. Was that end of last
year or early this year?
Speaker 2: October twenty twenty five?
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, what was like the astrology behind your big move.
Speaker 2: I really think I had a lot to do with
when Jupiter moved into cancer that was in June, but
like that was kind of out of nowhere, just being
like an opportunity came up that yeah we're like, oh wait,
we could go do this, and just a lot came up,
I think, like a lot of emotions. And I also
think I've been talking to a lot of people about that,
just like in the DMS and stuff, but about like
Jupiter moving into cancer how it affected them in a
similar way. Because I mentioned it's about kind of made
me homesick, which is a feeling that I usually don't
feel that much. But I feel like Jupiter in the
Sign of Cancer, which is so much about home. It
you know, triggered that for me.
Speaker 1: So even though it was like second house, Yeah, I
also feel like the eclipses in your fourth we're just
big four okay, like seeing family more frequently and also
having a huge move like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the last time was when I moved to New
York back in sixteen clips. Yeah, like the week of
the Virgo eclipse, I moved to New York.
Speaker 1: That's so cool to see like the patterns over years,
how like a similar change gets brought up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's been really it's been a really big adjustment.
I feel like moving back to a small rural town
like where I grew up, but in a really good way.
Like it's been really fun being by my family and
see my sister as more and I love the Yeah.
And it's so bizarre because a year prior we were
looking for homes in Spain. So it's like such a
dramatic shift.
Speaker 1: What was interesting, how like at the start of the
Virgo eclips as, you were like, I'm gonna settle down
in Spain and this home and then like the next
set of eclipses in Virgo came along and you were like, wait,
just kidding, like we're moving back to the US.
Speaker 2: I know, and I think it also, I mean it's
not I think the bigger, grander scheme, like if I
zoom out more. When Pluto even shifted into Aquarius, like
back in twenty twenty three, I feel like I already
started to feel the breadcrumbs leading.
Speaker 1: Me to moving back to the US because that was
I mean, Aquarius is your ninth house, but is it
also because it's opposite to your Icy affecting that.
Speaker 2: I think it had to be like yeah, my angles
of the Icy and Leo and like that home part.
But I think also just it's squaring my moon and
my son like that combined with all these outer planets
for everyone listening, are affecting people. If you have especially planets,
an early degree of any sign because it's either conjunct, opposing,
or squaring. Yeah, you're in a snaptunner Pluto right now.
Speaker 1: That's a good point how it's like the early placements
of these signs, and then it's if you have later
Aquarius or later fixed sign, like you're not gonna feel
Pluto until like the twenty thirties twenty forties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like okay, and nothing's happened yet, and it's
like it's dormant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, stuff will happen, I guess with the Aquarius eclipses. Yeah,
but like it's always important to like time it with
your own chart, like when does it reach exact degrees?
Speaker 2: Yeah, basically, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: I want to pivot and talk a bit about like
pregnancy and also like children, like parent children like chart semistry,
because I feel like every time we get on a call,
we're like always trying to figure out what my child's
birth TRUG will be. And I just wanted to go
over like what are we like, how are we coming
up with these dates? Like what are important alignments you
often see between parents and children? And like, I don't know,
I feel like people are always interested in that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's so fun parent child's and his
history as its whole, it's a whole nother just because
but it's so revealing of these key actual dynamics you
have between like if you don't get along with your mom,
or if you really get along with a sibling even
or like the family dynamics are so fun to look at.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think, like, is what do you
see the most frequently with I don't know, do you
see it differently for like mom and child versus dad
and child, or I kind of see it does the same.
Speaker 2: I'm so curious with you how you'll respond to this
because I want to hear what your thoughts are. But
I feel like there's always it depends, But I I
feel like it's so tied up in past lifetimes m M.
And you can't know that, like who who has more
of a tie, Like I think sometimes it's more connected
the child is and their astrology to the mom or
to the dad, and you know, like that shows up
in its own timing, but it always does have some
sort of tie into their charts, like one or the
other both.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Like I feel kind of going back to
what we were just talking about with the angles being
so important in your chart. I do feel like there
always needs to be like a match up between the
angles that the child has in their chart and the
angles of the parent hause.
Speaker 2: Yeah, angles are huge or its sun moon moon is
so much about family and the mother especially, Like, yeah,
the sun ties in a lot of time with the
dad or the father figure too. Like mother figure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you associate fourth house with like a single
parent or because like I know some astrologers like, oh,
tenth houses mom, fourth house is dad. I very much
see fourth houses mom.
Speaker 2: I'm more inclined to see that. I think it. Also,
it's really interesting because I have seen it with clients
where it's the reverse where I feel like but that
like let's say their dad was a stay at home
dad or they had a single parent. I just think
the fourth house has so much tie into family and
the nurturing most nurturing person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's okay interesting, and then the ruling planet of
the fourth giving more clues into that relationship with the
dynamic than the family. Yeah, going back to like parent
child seinistery stuff too, like just what I wanted to say,
Like in addition to the talk about the angles, like
I'll see often a parent will have like one rising
sign and then the child will have that as like
their mid heaven sign. Like so for instance, like I
think I know someone who just had a baby and
they are Capricorn rising and their child had like a
Capricorn mid heaven. So it's not as like obvious as
like oh they have their sun and moon in the
same sign, but it's still like when bigger life events
come along to the angles, it's affecting them as like
a family unit.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, the angles are just very underappreciated, I feel
like a lot of the time, but they really do
take off certain massive transforming events, especially for the first child.
I notice, like it's not I mean, every child is important,
Like I'm a middle child myself, Okay, but I do
think that a lot of the time, you'll see the
first baby that someone has has a lot of tie
in with like because your identity is shifting. You're having
a child, but you also are going to become fully
a mother, so I think it and Jesse a dad,
you know. So I feel like it has such a
huge impact in the chart for the first first kid.
Speaker 1: No, I love that you brought that up because someone
had asked me about that. I put out on substock
like astrology or pregnancy and transits I often see and
like first house ones were big, and people someone was like,
would this be the same if it was a second
or third child or whatever? Yeah, I was like, No,
I actually think like the identity stuff, like the major
first house transits would be more linked to a first child.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Because of that, like you're stepping into a new role,
becoming a parent.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And this just makes me like about your birth chart,
I've done with the sad thing over it today, like
looking at charts, like what what is she gonna be?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I know what. So I'm like trying to think
of the best way to phrase this or talk about this,
but like, what do you like looking at my chart,
when do you think she'll be born? And like why Okay,
based on like what like powerful sinistery alignments you would
be looking at to determine that date.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, so I think just to back it up,
I will say, and we kind of talked about this,
but looking at the sinistry, obviously the sun, the moon,
and all four of the angles are huge for that. Also,
like for your chart, especially Alice, it's crazy how much
Jupiter comes into play because Jupiter is the ruler of
your fifth house, yes, which is Sagittari, So that's ruled
by Jupiter. So that's like your baby ruler.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then also like the your chart's really interesting because
the ancient ruler of Pisces, your eighth house, which is
also tied in with birth. It is also Jupiter. Yeah,
so I feel like it's wild that you're having you're
gonna give birth when Jupiter is very close to your ascendant.
Speaker 1: We talk more about eighth house being tied to birth.
I don't feel like I never like consider that manifestation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I feel like it's like death and rebirth, okay,
and I see a lot of time sometimes, I mean
just the eighth house in general. Can it's such a
creative placement too, and like creating life is another manifestation
of that. I also feel like the tie in with
sex and the eighth house, like babies is gonna come
about with that, So I feel like there's that ty
in too. But I see that often when someone does
give birth, like the eighth house and I will have
a bigger but especially for your chart because Jupiter is
connecting the fifth house and eighth house because you have
Sagittarius and Pisces ruling those houses and they're both Jupiter.
Speaker 1: So then Jupiter transit's becoming a lot more important.
Speaker 2: For your specific chart as a Leo rising.
Speaker 1: But like for someone else that doesn't have the fifth
and eighth linked, it would still be like, okay, what
is the fifth housel are doing in transit at the
time they give birth.
Speaker 2: I would look at that, yeah. Yeah, and the Eighth
House though too, just because it because I also like
giving birth. It sounds like such a beautiful thing. And
I know what you've talked about this too, but like
that's not something normal, like it's scary too in a way,
or like it can be something beautiful, but it's like yeah,
like yeah, even just identity wise or like at a
deeper soul level, I feel like there's you before being
a mom, and then there's like you after you give birth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like.
Speaker 2: Very Eighth House to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, huge transformation. Yeah, I'm like, my dudate kind of
comes right in the midst of an eclipse on my ascendant.
But then really it's super close to the Eighth House eclipse,
the Pisces eclipse on my moon. Yeah, but these eclipses
ruled by Jupiter, which will be on my ascendant at
the time of the eclipse. Crazy, so it's kind of
like what you were just talking about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, honestly, right around your due date. I
think it's all awesome astrology that like there's so many
indicators for giving birth. Yea, like I also like being
a more positive experience not gone.
Speaker 1: With I know, I please, I'll have It'll be a
Mars return in the twelfth House. So I'm just hoping
there's not like a medical I mean, obviously I'm going
to the hospital to give birth, but so that is
a twelfth House same, But yeah, praying it doesn't. It's
not like traumatic.
Speaker 2: No, I feel like Jupiter and on your ascendant is
it just feels like you're protected. Jupiter in a spiritual
sense is about protection. Yeah, it feels like you're being
watched over.
Speaker 1: Do you think she'll be a Leo or a Virgo?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it's really a good question.
Speaker 1: Kind of like the due dates at the very start
of Burgo season play, so it could go either way.
Speaker 2: I think she'll be a Virgo. Yeah, I do, because
I also feel like, especially like obviously just since you've
talked about, like when we've talked about you getting pregnant
and being like looking forward to and meeting you like
in persons, we haven't seen each other for so long.
I'm just like I feel that the child also the chart,
So the baby's birth chart is going to be the
trance that's taking place when you get birth, which sounds obvious,
but like just to you know, to.
Speaker 1: Share, it's always interesting to point that out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because and so you like that child like you listening,
You are a living reminder to your parents of the
trance's happening when you enter.
Speaker 1: Their lives, like how they felt about going on, Yeah,
in that moment in time.
Speaker 2: Like if they give birth to you during their sad
in return, you are kind of like a Sadden return
to them. Yes, is like a Jupiter return, which would
be a lot easier.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be just Jupiter return.
Speaker 2: I love that I have that with my dad that.
Speaker 1: I'm like trying to think of what I have with
my parents. But I don't think I was born at
one of their returns. No, but I was, Yeah, I was.
My Saturn was transitting my mom's first house on her
ascendant when I was born. Yeah, she's like a heavy
Saturn transit she was going through.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so it's almost like you are the living
embodiment of those transits that kind of energetically brings up
that heavier placement yea and vice versa.
Speaker 1: I guess when it comes down to like predicting like
an exact date for birth, it's kind of like where's
the moon going to be? That's really when it's like
it gets into that nitty gritty of like could it
be this day? Could it be that day? And there
are certain moon signs where I'm just like that, I
just like don't think that would work, not in terms
of like compatibility, but just like timing and lining up
and how it goes back to like if you're part
of a family unit, like you're going through these changes
together as a family, the sinistery has to line up
in that way where it's like, Okay, if we're all
moving homes, we're all like moving to a new home
together as a family, Like they're gonna have chart alignments
that also speak to like how that timing is making
sense for them as well as like me and their dad.
Speaker 2: Oh totally, Like I mean this kind of kind of
off topic, but I feel like when I'm looking at
my family's chart, like I'm one of like four girls
and my parents, we all have a lot of Scorpio
in our charts, and so it's really interesting like when
there are scorpio eclipses or when there's a big transit there,
or like in the fall and there's retrogrades, like usually
there's something that affects everyone to your point, So yeah,
you're completely right.
Speaker 1: Like looking at my family, like my dad, my sister,
and I are all Leo risings, so we all have
like the same house system, like our fourth house is
all Scorpio and then our mom my mom is an
Aquarius rising, so it's still like the tourus Scorpio is
the tenth fourth. So it's like when we were moving
or when family stuff was taking place, like they got divorced,
it was all showing up like at the same time
in our charts. And that's why I think, like sent
a street with family members is so important. It's not
so much about like do we get along or is
there compatibility, It's like is the timing of the lives
matching up?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the timing is. That's a really good point because
it's not all about compatibility. You're not like looking at
your when will the baby be born to be like
will they be a good match? Like, obviously it's gonna
be a good match because you are the mother, Yeah,
or at least like it's what your soul called for, Yeah,
your baby's soul, So it's always meant to be yeah,
but there are times where you can say, like, Okay,
you can rest easy for the next like forty eight
hours because she won't be born yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, I just like don't see her having like
a Capricorn moon, for instance, because I'm like, I don't
have major planets in Capricorn, Like I don't know, major
life events don't really happen under Capricorn transits for me, yeah,
Whereas if I had a child with a Capricorn moon,
they would for them, yeah, but not for the rest
of the family, Like it wouldn't make sense as much,
whereas like if they have an Aquarius or Pisce's moon,
that would make a lot more sense. Yeah.
Speaker 2: What do you do you feel? Like, do you feel
like it's Leo or I'm.
Speaker 1: Gonna make it. I think she's gonna be a Virgo okay,
and I think she's gonna be born on August twenty ninth.
Speaker 2: Okay, why say Moore.
Speaker 1: I just think she's gonna have her moon in Pisces
just because I have a Piscy's moon and my husband's
fourth houses Pisces.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just like that's my final prediction that I'm
making here. I love that I'll see if I'm right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a really I don't know why, Alice,
But when I was thinking about it, I don't even
feel like it makes as much of astrology sense as
other potential dates for her due date. But September third,
I feel like it maybe the date September third.
Speaker 1: As I'm placing my bed on that, and that's a
Gemini moon, right, yes, okay, yes, why what you're reasoning?
Speaker 2: Okay, it's kind of well, I don't know. I just
think intuitively, I feel like it's gonna be like early September.
But I feel like the Virgo makes so much sense
to me because it helps balance, Like in your chart.
I actually see that a lot in first time others
where they have their child son in the second house.
Not every mother obviously, but like when that child helps
them to like feel a deeper sense of I don't know,
self worth, or it changes their value system or you know,
second house themes, because that baby's son is going to
light up your second house. If you're Leo riising, your
second house is Virgo, they have a Virgo son. I
had never thought of that, like, because I love that placement.
Speaker 1: My moon and my venus fall in my mom's second house.
She's having second house transits. Yeah when I was born.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I never thought of that, but it almost like activates,
like that's a change in the mother or you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I always prioritize like fourth house with family,
or the icy sign of you of your icy in
like the third house or the fifth house. I'd prioritize
that sign a bit more. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just interesting because like when you can I mean,
this is for anyone. You can look to see Okay,
this is your mom's chart or your dad's or whoever
is your guardians, but you look to see where is
your son by a sign, and you can look to
see where it falls, you know obviously by house. Yeah,
you look to the corresponding house in their chart. Yes,
and then it's showing like what area do you light
up like the sun in their chart? Okay, just a
fun thing to look at.
Speaker 1: Wait, so going back to September third, why why is
that because you mentioned okay, virgo sun makes more sense, okay,
Well just why the Gemini moon okay? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well also the Virgo piece is that I feel like
this baby has really grounded you, and that's like the
Earth sign. That's the Earth kind of Virgo. I get
that sense. But also I feel like, yeah, your values,
like you just feel very in such a good spot,
you know, like I feel like that grounds you. And
then also the Gemini moon, I mean, I just love
Gemini moons. As a Gemini rising, it probably buys to that,
but I also feel like it's a good sign for
you because it feels like like in Jesse's chart would
light up his seventh house and he also has Venus there. Yeah,
and I just feel like, you know, she like have
them wrapped around her finger, like that's actually kind of
common sometimes. Yeah, But then so he has like that connection.
And then for you, I just think that because you
have your Pisce's moon and your son, which is a
mutable sign, and then your son is in an air
sign in Aquarius, like that's the common air mutable gems.
I don't know, I just like, but I feel like
you also do tend to get along with people who
have a lot of Gemini in their chart too, Like.
Speaker 1: My dad's a Gemini moon. I think it's because I
myself's node there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the past life connection, yes, like nodle conjunct
to South node.
Speaker 1: Do you think nodle semistry. I mean, I'm sure you do.
Like it's it's an important I just see that a
lot with parents and children.
Speaker 2: That's huge. That's another really big one along with angles
like you were talking about.
Speaker 1: Do you notice like if it's more South node you
see with parents and children or North node. Because I
always talk about how with synistry, South No connections are
easier whereas North node is harder.
Speaker 2: I think I always use the word familiar like when
I'm teaching about it, because sometimes it depends on the planet,
like South No conjunct Mars would be like like I
doubt you know, it does feel like familiar, and that's
usually in a home family sense, like more comfortable. But yeah,
it can be both, but it definitely speaks to if
that's easier or more difficult, or like North No connections
are more what does your soul have to teach one another?
Because it goes both ways too. I think sometimes with synatry,
where we tend to think if it's my mars on
someone's South No, then that was me with the mars,
like I'm frustrating them or something. But it goes back
and forth because.
Speaker 1: I'm always thinking like about my nodle placement in north
Nordon Sagittarius, South Nodon Gemini. Like, Okay, I feel like
she has to have something key in her chart around
those two signs just to have like a nodal connection. Yeah,
I don't think there's gonna be like no connection to
the nodes.
Speaker 2: I agree. Yeah, I think the nose are gonna show
up in that way. I mean, but I also think
that it's very common to have some connection with your
sunman rising. Yeah, so your sunmon rising Aquarius, Leo Pisces.
I feel like that could show up as her.
Speaker 1: Rising sign or her moon sign or and then the
mid heaven icy too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Also which she gives a lot of options.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's too much. Yeah, but Jesse has Virgo Midhaven,
so that's kind of why Virgo makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I also just like the Yeah, I mean
I think that for you. I I it's because also
there are other places even though she won't be a
well she might be. I'm just like predicting that she
won't feel Leo, but she still has Jupe in Leo,
so you'll have that, which I love that sinistry connection
yea with Jupiter on your icy I feel like it
well just or you're a c Yeah, but it just
helps to have this. It overrides so many kind of
frustrations or different challenges in a chart. When you have
a Jupiter, it's a it's a feel good sentistery. Yeah,
totally like friendship kind of feeling like you.
Speaker 1: Have your Juter and Scorpio and I might Icy and Scorpio,
and I think we have that like matchup of yeah,
it's easier. We're like, I know people that have Mars
and Scorpio. There's more of a tense interaction I have
with them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's just energetic. Sometimes you're like, oh, you're
both good people, but like you just rub each other
the wrong way or like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really interesting.
Speaker 2: Nothing personal astrology.
Speaker 1: Okay, So those are our final predictions and why Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think so I feel good about my choice.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I wonder if either of us will be
right or we'll both be like so shocked.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think if we had more time, like if
I sat down with it, we could narrow a down where.
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, I like these.
Speaker 2: But ultimately, whatever chart your baby has, it may be
so happy because she's your baby. Yeah, and it'll it'll
make so much sense because we can't know. We're just humans,
you know, like with their human minds. We can try
to think which ones might timing wise be more applicable.
But what I think gets really interesting is seeing whatever
chart is, okay, how does that affect you? How does
that impact your relationship and how you interact with each
other and past life connections and all that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be so cool. Yeah, seeing how also
like a child grows into their chart over time as well. Yeah.
I want to pivot a bit and talk about pets
because since we last recorded, which is like May of
twenty twenty five, we both got pets during the last year.
I got a cat and then you got a dog,
and we I don't know as much about you know,
your pets Sun Moon Rising. Yeah, I just know my
cat's Sun and Moon, because.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to ask.
Speaker 1: I'm scared of.
Speaker 2: Before I even got our dog. I mean probably would
have gote here anyway, but I was like, what time
was she?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, just to be like are we compatible?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, because you know, you get a dog or
a cat, you're gonna have that animal for such a
long time. Yeah, it was actually perfect sinistry. I was like, God,
that's the animal.
Speaker 1: But it's also interesting. It's like I didn't plan to
get a cat around a certain date because of me either.
It just like happened. And then like this sinistry is
so strong.
Speaker 2: So strong for you and your cat and for dog.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like my cat is Piscy's son. I have a
Piscey's moon. Yeah, and he has the cat also has
a Taurus moon, and my husband's a trust sun, so
he's the sun moon matchup with both of us.
Speaker 2: So cute.
Speaker 1: Do you notice because you know, like the full rising
sign in the houses, do you notice, like transit's affecting
your pet?
Speaker 2: Yes? I mean, okay, so my pet super cute. She's
like a little king Charles Cavalier. I'm obsessed with her.
Her name is Whimsy, and yeah, so she is. If
she had been born an hour earlier, she would have
been a triple Scorpio actually, so yeah, so she's Scorpio
sun Scorpio rising, and moon in Sagittarius.
Speaker 1: So the moon is just satar.
Speaker 2: Yeah okay, but basically it's funny to see how and yeah,
timing things definitely come up, like you can just tell
when they're like I always notice when the moon is
in Scorpio because it's I have my moon and Scorpio.
But I see for her that there's kind of like
developmental things, like actually it just happened and she starts.
She never barks ever, she's such a chill dog, but
she started to kind of bark at things randomly with
the moon in Scorpio recently.
Speaker 1: Knows that just like I wonder what will happen with
her when there's like venus and mercury retrograde and Scorpio effect. Yeah,
that's true because I noticed, even though I don't know
my cat's rising sign, like he's so affected by mercury retrogrades,
like he got really sick of the last one. He
has been kind of like antisocial or just more introverted
at this past one in cancer. So I'm just like
I feel like he is like ruled by mercury. Mercury
is a big.
Speaker 2: Presence in his Gemini rising.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's just like you need to ask, we
must know.
Speaker 1: I know. I just feel like I get so many
questions like does astrology apply to Petsy?
Speaker 2: It does? Oh for sure? Does I think? Also the
caveat there is how important is your pet to you?
Like I think sometimes like are we talking about like me?
Most people have very strong connections with their pets though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it's like natural, like kind of
going back like this sinistery. It's like you don't have
to plan for it. No, it's like a child too,
like it just happens. Yeah, it just happens.
Speaker 2: And it's just shows that the timing is vine and
you don't even have to worry. Really, Yeah, it's fun
to look at it.
Speaker 1: I want to end by talking about like what we're
what transits we're excited for, Like what I don't know
what we're looking forward to for the next like six
months to a year. Are there any that you're like
anticipating will be bigger for you?
Speaker 2: Oh? I love that question. Well, we talked about a
lot of them, so quarious. I love all the outer planets.
But I also think the retrograde is happening in the
fall in November especially, just mark your retrograde venus retrograde,
seeing how that shows up, because I have a stellium
in Scorpio.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that'll affect you hopefully because the venus is
part Libra. But the Scorpio part is kind of more
impactful for you than the.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think just because I'm thinking my moon, how
it gets impacted. But yeah, just seeing what comes up
there for me. And also because I genuinely like retrogrades.
And I think that's just because I like how reflective
they make you. M Like you're just forced to reflect
on that area of life.
Speaker 1: Is there one you find harder than others, like out
of like Mercury venus or Mars retrogrades. I mean they're
like so different.
Speaker 2: I notice that Mercury retrogrades more. Yeah, I really do. Yeah,
even though they're more common, I actually do feel that more.
Speaker 1: I think they like cause everyday life stuff disruptions a
lot more than like the other retrogrades.
Speaker 2: Do I agree? Whereas the other retrogrades, I know they
would affect you more, Like with Mercury being my chart ruler,
I think you do notice those more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what about you? I I don't know, Like I
feel like the Mars retrograde is very looming for me. Yeah,
just Mars retrograde always is. It's such a big like
turning point that really like gets you to think about
where do you want to be next? And I always
just wind out the Mars rectrigrade's over, You're in a
new direction for the next two years. Yeah, So it's
almost like for the months leading up to the Mars retrograde,
it's hard to like make a bigger decision about like
my business or like how I go about different stuff
I put energy into, because I'm like, I will probably
feel a different way once that retrograde ends on April first.
Speaker 2: It's almost this liminal time with your energy where you
don't want to commit to anything because you know that
whatever say yes to you now, it will shift.
Speaker 1: I always give this as an example of the Mars
retrograde in my ninth house, like in twenty twenty, when
it was in Aries and it was eleventh House for you,
and how before that retrograde we were like we want
to like share astrology, but we don't know how. And
then like the day the retrograde ended, we were like,
let's start a podcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, literally, I think it was actually like yeah, couple
days or something.
Speaker 1: But it was like we couldn't figure it out the
whole time, and then.
Speaker 2: It became so easy afterwards. It just clicked. And I
remember even like the name, We're like, oh, this like
everything just floats the brando.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, all got off the ground, like in the
two months after the more structure green ended.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, and that's another example of the timing of astrology,
because I know, Alice, like I appreciate the timing of
things too, but like you especially, I think just knowing,
even if you're in a heavier time, you can look
at your transits and you can say, Okay, right now
I'm in a tunnel. Yeah, and the light is here,
like at this date, things will get easier, you know.
I feel really it's dramatic how obvious it shows up.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And it's something that gave me hope the last
couple of years that felt so heavy with all the
eighth of twelfth emphasis, and I like, yeah, sometimes it's
hard to believe, like, well it ever get better, And
then it does and you're like, oh, it actually is accurate. Yeah,
I know it.
Speaker 2: It is always so fun because I'm like, oh, man,
like you just can't doubt it. Yeah, And it's so
much easier, like when you're looking at client charts because
you're so you're not in it, you're able to kind
of object that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But then sometimes people don't really believe you. Yeah, like
trust me, like it's going to turn around at this.
Speaker 2: Day or sometimes too like things are so far off
that it sometimes can feel. But to me it helps
because even if it's a couple of years off where
things will get lighter, and I'd rather know that though
it's not like another day, another day, like just kind
of being realistic that you need to slow down, like
it's not just going to pass overnight. You need to
take better care of yourself or you need to like
give yourself more grace or so down more. You know.
Speaker 1: I think that mentality has been so helpful being pregnant
and being like what's going to happen with work after
I have a child? Because it's like I can see
a couple of years on the road. I'm like, Okay,
career really picks back up again. Yeah, It's like even
if it's so much hard or like confusing in the moment,
I'm like I know, in like six months to a
year from now, like I'll know what to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and when the energy is there, you'll use it.
But if it's not there, you just can't. I mean,
you can try to do it, but it's just going
to be like trying to drive a car and you're
stuck in mud. Exactly, frustrating for everyone involved.
Speaker 1: That's what I always say, Like you're not meant to
know the answer or like right now you're going to
figure out when the transit like goes into effect, but
not a minute before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's very frustrating, but it's true.
Speaker 1: Oh, it was so good to catch up with you.
Where can everyone find you, Macine?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so just my name Maxine? So max I E
l u z I A on Instagram right, yes, on
Instagram and YouTube those are I want to do more
on YouTube too, because it's just yeah, I feel like
I have so many ideas and I want to yeah.
Speaker 1: To watch that SPA.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I was doing Spiritual Astrology school again this fall.
I do it once a year, so if you want
more on that, yeah, like that'll start out end of
August for enrollment.
Speaker 1: Okay, and for anyone listening who missed the first episode
with you, go back to my first episode with Maxine,
because that's where we go over your whole approach to
like you more have a spiritual slant to your astrology practice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Oh I love, but you just learn how
to read charts and it's really fun. So I'm looking
forward to that and then I just that and lots
of readings. Yeah, I always, we always, Alisonne always talk
about it where we're always kind of like there are
certain seasons of life where we just really feel like
called to do readings and other ones where it's kind
of nice to take a pause.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is true. It like comes and goes and flows. Yeah, well,
thank you for going me.
Speaker 2: We're going to go to dinner now.
Speaker 1: Yeah,