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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Astrology with Alice. I'm

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here with my good friend and fellow astrologer Maxine, who

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has been on the podcast before, and we also used

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to have a whole podcast together, Astrology and you. Welcome back, Maccine.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Alice. I'm so happy to be here. Honestly, we're

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a bit resty, we were just saying before this episode

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started because I haven't really been doing much. I've been

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taking a kind of pause from social media.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll talk about me here. We'll talk about all

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the transits of our slower time in life recently. But yeah,

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you're in town for my baby shower. So I'm just

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so excited to see you. I know where do you

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live now? For everyone that doesn't know.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, big update. So we were living in Spain

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and then we just recently moved back in October to

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the Midwest. We live in a very small town.

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Speaker 1: Now I need to visit you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it is where I grew up, so like

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that's kind of yeah, we ended up there, but you

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definitely need to visit.

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Speaker 1: Oh love. Wait for everyone that doesn't remember from last time,

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what is your sun moon and rising?

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Speaker 2: Yes? So I am a tourist sun, Scorpio Moon, and

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Gemini rising love.

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Speaker 1: I just like how you're almost like have a similar

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chart as my husband because he's tourists on Scorpio Moon

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saj rising, like the opposite.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And for those listening, when Alice is like, this

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is his chart and she started dating Jesse, I was like,

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he seems like an awesome guy, because basically I think

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you guys will get along really well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So for this episode, we kind of just wanted

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to jump around to like a lot of different topics, right,

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I want to talk about like what I guess, like

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so much astrology has changed over the last few months.

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Like we went from the start of twenty twenty six

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with like so much water and earth energy, and I know,

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like you were in your Saturn return in the last

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couple of years, I just had Saturn in the eighth house,

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which was a whole other beast. But I feel like

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the vibe has very much shifted in the last few

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weeks with Jupiter now and Leo. The nodes are shifting

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to Leo and Aquarius. Just a couple of days after

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we record this, this is July twenty fourth. By the way,

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how are you like feeling.

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Speaker 2: I've talked about this, Alison. You're very happy about this

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because it just feels like when your chart is dominated

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like by rising sign it just the way that the

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plants are shifting into these fire and air signs, it

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just feels so much lighter because it gets out of

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the heavier houses personally of my chart.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting, like the even like the career focused house,

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like a solder return in the tenth house, like it's

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not light. And I remember, like the last major transit

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I had and the tenth was Jupiter through the tenth

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and that was kind of heavy too. So it's interesting

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how it's not just like twelfth, eighth, fourth, yeah, like

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as the more emotional houses, but it can also be

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like tenth six second too.

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Speaker 2: And I feel like it's because they are these houses

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where you're building or you're just mean to, Like it

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feels like those houses are so inner reflective and you

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have to kind of take stock of where you've been,

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and they're very heavy in the past. I feel like

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compared to the other houses of the chart, like the first,

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the third, the yeah, the odd numbered houses, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Personally, those are more like creatively inspired, like where you're

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like meeting people, you're going out into the world like

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you're having fun. Yeah, and then things get so serious

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when it's like the even number houses. I didn't even

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put that together. It's like even versus odds.

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Speaker 2: I know, it's actually finny. I said that, and it

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was like, oh, that is true. That's an easy way

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to remember.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you're a Gemini rising. Have you noticed a

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lot happening with Urinus now in Gemini?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that has been huge. Actually I knew i'd

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feel it a lot, but I have really noticed just

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Urinus being in my first house. Like any planet in astrology,

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especially outer planets, in your first house, I feel like

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you feel them so intimately m M, and I mean

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anything to your sum moon rising, but the first house,

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especially with Uranus, there just feels like that impetus for

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change and for feeling like I'm so aware of patterns

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and just thinking about the future or kind of like

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health a lot more about because that's part of Urinus too.

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It for some people like so that's already kind of

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constellated in your chart maybe, but it does make me

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in my head even that much more, I think, So

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that's been one part of it. Yea. But but yeah,

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in like a way where I'm excited, like like looking

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forward to what's next.

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Speaker 1: It's almost like hard to describe first house transits, like

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I find when I'm writing horoscopes, I'm like, what should

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I say about this, because first house applies to like, yes,

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your literal self, but it like creates change in all

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of these different areas, like it could come from anywhere.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's just like that takes such a hold

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of your whole life when any planets through the first house,

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So like Urinus is so much about transformation, the first

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house is affecting every area of your life. So yeah,

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it just kind of has a grip over your whole

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chart because that's the lens through which you're seeing the

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world is the first House. So it's like, yeah, like

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everything is being turned upside down, especially in an outer

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planet transit in the first.

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Speaker 1: I guess we're both having huge first house because like

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when we're talking about outer planets, it was like, oh,

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I don't have anything major through the first house, and

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then I'm like wait a minute, Like I have Jupiter there,

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and now I have eclipses coming up, and it's almost

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like feeling like you're on the brink of like a

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bigger life change coming up, but you don't know like

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what it'll result in.

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Speaker 2: I guess yeah, because you can't. And also when you're

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I always feel like this is true probably for a

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lot of transits, but especially outer planets to such personal

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plants like your son, with Pluto transitting over your son, Like, yeah,

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when you're in it, it's so hard to step back

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and see all the shifts happening and how just how

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drastic of a transformation is unfolding.

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Speaker 1: And sometimes it's very internal too, like I feel like

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with Pluto to my son, like yes, I'm having a baby,

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Like that's a huge result of that transit. But it's

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also like internal mindset shifts. It's like stuff I used

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to care about or fix it on, like just falling away,

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Like I don't obsess over that as much anymore.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like that's the Pluto burning ground. Yeah, it's almost

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like Pluto to your son. Well, you have to tell me, like,

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how are you feeling it other than the baby, because

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that's a big identity shift.

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Speaker 1: I feel like, I don't know. It's interesting with outer

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planet transits because it's like there's one like event, like

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for me, it's having the baby that then results in

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like all of these other shifts within yourself. But it's

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like the catalyst event occurs. So I do kind of

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feel like as I prepare to become a mother and

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I'm like heavily pregnant right now, it's like all these

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other added it's about like career or like home and

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family life, or like shifting as a result. But it's

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like that one event is like causing it to happen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like that's the obvious thing people would point to,

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but that's also happening within you too, and it's shifting

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so much around.

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Speaker 1: And even like the sun being like the my ascendant ruler,

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even like my sense of style, like what clothes I'm

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drawn to, Like that's changing because I'm like, oh, this

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doesn't work for becoming a mom. I can't.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Yeah, I didn't even think of that, Alice,

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because not only is it yeah, it also brings your ascendant.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, but I would say, like another thing I've

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noticed is just like not caring as much what people think.

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Speaker 2: Like I've noticed that in you a ton like just

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you're so grounded.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like you're not. It's really cool to see that

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shift where I feel like maybe just because also your

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priorities are so focused on like this next chapter and

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your baby. But yeah, it looks very good on you.

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Speaker 1: It's still the very start of the transit too, Like

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my son at six, Pluto's still like at the end

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of five. It hasn't. I don't think it's gotten to

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like six yet. Yeah, but it'll be interesting, like because

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it's such like a two to three year transit. Like

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if we touch space in twenty twenty nine, like how

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much has changed you.

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Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, and you'll look back and be like, oh

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my gosh, that was life transforming.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you like same with Uranus, Like we could

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fast forward to the twenty thirties and it's like, yeah,

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I bet your life goes through so many more changes

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in the next several years.

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Speaker 2: Totally. Yeah, any of those outer most planetary transits, they'll

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have such a Yeah, they just kind of unraveled these

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parts of you that like when they touch on personal planets,

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it's crazy afterwards. Like I remember when Uranus went over

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my son several years ago, and that was just it

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shifted so much like there's before that transit and there's

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after that transit. Yeah, but like during it, I do

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feel like it really asks at least me, maybe because

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I'm not like I like change, not that you don't

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have the control over your things.

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Speaker 1: I think that's well, we both have our son and

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fixed signs like Taurus Aquarius. It's like we as an Aquarius.

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change on it's on my own terms.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, And I think when you can't control things,

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or when you realize that there are just things you

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can't have any control over and you're so used to

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just being able to work really hard at something and

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it works, or you're used to like just you know,

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things kind of go in that direction that you've been

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working towards and it's not happening, or things just happened

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to you in different ways.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks what I get excited about, like with

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Eclipses to my son and Pluto to my son, like

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going back to like how we both had Urinus activate

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our son, Like yes, that was like a while ago now,

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like six seven years ago. It's just I get excited

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because it's who I was before that is completely different.

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Like I didn't know astrology before. You're in a smooth

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to Taurus and squared my son in Aquarius. So I

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get excited. I'm like, I don't even know what it's coming,

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but I know it's like a change. Yeah, but like

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I don't know, it's there's something exciting about it instead

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of scary.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I agree, And I think the more that I

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the more that we've done astrology, you know, we've talked

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about this, but you kind of look forward to transits

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that other people kind of fear or fear monger about.

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I guess you'll read something in an old astrology book. Yeah,

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like terrifying to read, but you just know that's not

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I mean, there are lots of potentials, but it's really

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beautiful to see how that can be more metaphorical or

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it can go in a different way, like how that

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energy manifest It's so different. Yeah, and yeah, I guess

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this I have to accept because it's going to happen

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no matter what. So it's kind of like, Okay, let's

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just see what happens. Kind of as an observer, that's

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Speaker 1: I guess this episode is coming out like a couple

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of weeks book ahead of like the Leo solar eclipse

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and then a few weeks before the Pizeeslonar clips and

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the clipses are so much about change, and there's always

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so much like fear around eclipses, but like I love them.

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Speaker 2: We've always loved a club.

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Speaker 1: Ye yeah, yeah, they like bring in this new chapter.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and that's what you remember we were talking about

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this earlier. But just how when we got into astrology.

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That was back with the Leo Aguarus eclipses. Yeah, a

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long time ago.

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Speaker 1: And that was your nine turn, which makes sense because

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it's like spirituality's ninth and that was my first seventh. Yeah,

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so it's like identity.

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Speaker 2: And angles for both of us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're mid Heaven and Aquarius and Icy and Leo

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and my Leo Aquarius. It's just huge when transits happened

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to the angles.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so profound and even I mean I feel

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like it's funny because most people know the angle is

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your rising sign ascendant, but yeah, the mid Heaven is

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so powerful and all of you know, all four of.

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Speaker 1: The yeah, changing like life direction almost Well, it'll be

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interesting to see like how it's like, okay, we got

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into astrology. The last Leo Aquarius eclipses. Now that they're

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coming back around like eight to nine years later, how

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does like the approach change a bit, or how do

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we go in a different direction with astrology or new

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interests start to come up that you want to blend

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with it. Have you started to feel like more inspired again?

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Because we talked about like Saturn and pieces was heavy,

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I had no creative inspiration that whole transit.

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Speaker 1: It just felt very like I don't know, like too

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much going on internally to even like experiment or have

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fun with like the content I was putting out or

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what I wanted to share about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I've been coming out of a

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winter season and you have to in a way. But yeah,

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and I think that now having there's a lot of

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transits that go into this. But I definitely have been

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feeling more creatively inspired and I have so many ideas.

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It almost feels like I have so many ideas though

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I don't even know where to begin. Like it feels

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kind of that same energy I had back in twenty

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eighteen with that first eclipse and Aquarius for me, where

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I was like, oh wait, there's so much here that

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excites me. So yeah, I'm curious where it goes. I

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don't really know because I'm in it.

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Speaker 1: But I mean there's still like so home, there's still

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two more Leo eclipses and three more Aquarius sort of

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like build upon each other. Yeah, we only have that

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initial Aquarius eclipse.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that we've got a taste of it. Yeah,

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back in February.

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Speaker 1: So you moved from Spain. Was that end of last

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year or early this year?

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Speaker 2: October twenty twenty five?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, what was like the astrology behind your big move.

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Speaker 2: I really think I had a lot to do with

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when Jupiter moved into cancer that was in June, but

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like that was kind of out of nowhere, just being

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like an opportunity came up that yeah we're like, oh wait,

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we could go do this, and just a lot came up,

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I think, like a lot of emotions. And I also

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think I've been talking to a lot of people about that,

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just like in the DMS and stuff, but about like

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Jupiter moving into cancer how it affected them in a

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similar way. Because I mentioned it's about kind of made

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me homesick, which is a feeling that I usually don't

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feel that much. But I feel like Jupiter in the

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Sign of Cancer, which is so much about home. It

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you know, triggered that for me.

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Speaker 1: So even though it was like second house, Yeah, I

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also feel like the eclipses in your fourth we're just

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big four okay, like seeing family more frequently and also

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having a huge move like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the last time was when I moved to New

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York back in sixteen clips. Yeah, like the week of

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the Virgo eclipse, I moved to New York.

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Speaker 1: That's so cool to see like the patterns over years,

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how like a similar change gets brought up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's been really it's been a really big adjustment.

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I feel like moving back to a small rural town

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like where I grew up, but in a really good way.

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Like it's been really fun being by my family and

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see my sister as more and I love the Yeah.

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And it's so bizarre because a year prior we were

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looking for homes in Spain. So it's like such a

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dramatic shift.

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Speaker 1: What was interesting, how like at the start of the

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Virgo eclips as, you were like, I'm gonna settle down

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in Spain and this home and then like the next

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set of eclipses in Virgo came along and you were like, wait,

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just kidding, like we're moving back to the US.

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Speaker 2: I know, and I think it also, I mean it's

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not I think the bigger, grander scheme, like if I

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zoom out more. When Pluto even shifted into Aquarius, like

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back in twenty twenty three, I feel like I already

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started to feel the breadcrumbs leading.

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Speaker 1: Me to moving back to the US because that was

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I mean, Aquarius is your ninth house, but is it

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also because it's opposite to your Icy affecting that.

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Speaker 2: I think it had to be like yeah, my angles

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of the Icy and Leo and like that home part.

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But I think also just it's squaring my moon and

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my son like that combined with all these outer planets

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for everyone listening, are affecting people. If you have especially planets,

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an early degree of any sign because it's either conjunct, opposing,

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or squaring. Yeah, you're in a snaptunner Pluto right now.

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Speaker 1: That's a good point how it's like the early placements

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of these signs, and then it's if you have later

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Aquarius or later fixed sign, like you're not gonna feel

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Pluto until like the twenty thirties twenty forties.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like okay, and nothing's happened yet, and it's

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like it's dormant.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, stuff will happen, I guess with the Aquarius eclipses. Yeah,

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but like it's always important to like time it with

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your own chart, like when does it reach exact degrees?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, basically, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: I want to pivot and talk a bit about like

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pregnancy and also like children, like parent children like chart semistry,

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because I feel like every time we get on a call,

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we're like always trying to figure out what my child's

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birth TRUG will be. And I just wanted to go

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over like what are we like, how are we coming

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up with these dates? Like what are important alignments you

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often see between parents and children? And like, I don't know,

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I feel like people are always interested in that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's so fun parent child's and his

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history as its whole, it's a whole nother just because

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but it's so revealing of these key actual dynamics you

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have between like if you don't get along with your mom,

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or if you really get along with a sibling even

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or like the family dynamics are so fun to look at.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think, like, is what do you

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see the most frequently with I don't know, do you

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see it differently for like mom and child versus dad

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and child, or I kind of see it does the same.

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Speaker 2: I'm so curious with you how you'll respond to this

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because I want to hear what your thoughts are. But

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I feel like there's always it depends, But I I

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feel like it's so tied up in past lifetimes m M.

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And you can't know that, like who who has more

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of a tie, Like I think sometimes it's more connected

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the child is and their astrology to the mom or

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to the dad, and you know, like that shows up

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in its own timing, but it always does have some

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sort of tie into their charts, like one or the

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other both.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Like I feel kind of going back to

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what we were just talking about with the angles being

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so important in your chart. I do feel like there

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always needs to be like a match up between the

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angles that the child has in their chart and the

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angles of the parent hause.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, angles are huge or its sun moon moon is

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so much about family and the mother especially, Like, yeah,

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the sun ties in a lot of time with the

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dad or the father figure too. Like mother figure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, do you associate fourth house with like a single

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parent or because like I know some astrologers like, oh,

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tenth houses mom, fourth house is dad. I very much

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see fourth houses mom.

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Speaker 2: I'm more inclined to see that. I think it. Also,

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it's really interesting because I have seen it with clients

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where it's the reverse where I feel like but that

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like let's say their dad was a stay at home

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dad or they had a single parent. I just think

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the fourth house has so much tie into family and

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the nurturing most nurturing person.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's okay interesting, and then the ruling planet of

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the fourth giving more clues into that relationship with the

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dynamic than the family. Yeah, going back to like parent

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child seinistery stuff too, like just what I wanted to say,

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Like in addition to the talk about the angles, like

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I'll see often a parent will have like one rising

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sign and then the child will have that as like

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their mid heaven sign. Like so for instance, like I

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think I know someone who just had a baby and

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they are Capricorn rising and their child had like a

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Capricorn mid heaven. So it's not as like obvious as

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like oh they have their sun and moon in the

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same sign, but it's still like when bigger life events

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come along to the angles, it's affecting them as like

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a family unit.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, the angles are just very underappreciated, I feel

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like a lot of the time, but they really do

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take off certain massive transforming events, especially for the first child.

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I notice, like it's not I mean, every child is important,

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Like I'm a middle child myself, Okay, but I do

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think that a lot of the time, you'll see the

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first baby that someone has has a lot of tie

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in with like because your identity is shifting. You're having

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a child, but you also are going to become fully

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a mother, so I think it and Jesse a dad,

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you know. So I feel like it has such a

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huge impact in the chart for the first first kid.

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Speaker 1: No, I love that you brought that up because someone

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had asked me about that. I put out on substock

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like astrology or pregnancy and transits I often see and

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like first house ones were big, and people someone was like,

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would this be the same if it was a second

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or third child or whatever? Yeah, I was like, No,

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I actually think like the identity stuff, like the major

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first house transits would be more linked to a first child.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Because of that, like you're stepping into a new role,

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becoming a parent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And this just makes me like about your birth chart,

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I've done with the sad thing over it today, like

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looking at charts, like what what is she gonna be?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I know what. So I'm like trying to think

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of the best way to phrase this or talk about this,

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but like, what do you like looking at my chart,

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when do you think she'll be born? And like why Okay,

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based on like what like powerful sinistery alignments you would

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be looking at to determine that date.

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay, so I think just to back it up,

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I will say, and we kind of talked about this,

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but looking at the sinistry, obviously the sun, the moon,

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and all four of the angles are huge for that. Also,

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like for your chart, especially Alice, it's crazy how much

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Jupiter comes into play because Jupiter is the ruler of

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your fifth house, yes, which is Sagittari, So that's ruled

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by Jupiter. So that's like your baby ruler.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then also like the your chart's really interesting because

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the ancient ruler of Pisces, your eighth house, which is

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also tied in with birth. It is also Jupiter. Yeah,

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so I feel like it's wild that you're having you're

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gonna give birth when Jupiter is very close to your ascendant.

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Speaker 1: We talk more about eighth house being tied to birth.

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I don't feel like I never like consider that manifestation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I feel like it's like death and rebirth, okay,

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and I see a lot of time sometimes, I mean

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just the eighth house in general. Can it's such a

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creative placement too, and like creating life is another manifestation

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of that. I also feel like the tie in with

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sex and the eighth house, like babies is gonna come

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about with that, So I feel like there's that ty

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in too. But I see that often when someone does

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give birth, like the eighth house and I will have

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a bigger but especially for your chart because Jupiter is

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connecting the fifth house and eighth house because you have

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Sagittarius and Pisces ruling those houses and they're both Jupiter.

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Speaker 1: So then Jupiter transit's becoming a lot more important.

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Speaker 2: For your specific chart as a Leo rising.

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Speaker 1: But like for someone else that doesn't have the fifth

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and eighth linked, it would still be like, okay, what

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is the fifth housel are doing in transit at the

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00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:12,519
time they give birth.

474
00:23:12,799 --> 00:23:14,759
Speaker 2: I would look at that, yeah. Yeah, and the Eighth

475
00:23:14,839 --> 00:23:17,240
House though too, just because it because I also like

476
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,279
giving birth. It sounds like such a beautiful thing. And

477
00:23:20,319 --> 00:23:21,799
I know what you've talked about this too, but like

478
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,640
that's not something normal, like it's scary too in a way,

479
00:23:25,759 --> 00:23:29,759
or like it can be something beautiful, but it's like yeah,

480
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,680
like yeah, even just identity wise or like at a

481
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,839
deeper soul level, I feel like there's you before being

482
00:23:37,839 --> 00:23:40,039
a mom, and then there's like you after you give birth.

483
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like.

484
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:42,559
Speaker 2: Very Eighth House to me.

485
00:23:43,079 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, huge transformation. Yeah, I'm like, my dudate kind of

486
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:52,440
comes right in the midst of an eclipse on my ascendant.

487
00:23:52,839 --> 00:23:56,519
But then really it's super close to the Eighth House eclipse,

488
00:23:56,599 --> 00:24:00,720
the Pisces eclipse on my moon. Yeah, but these eclipses

489
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,480
ruled by Jupiter, which will be on my ascendant at

490
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,839
the time of the eclipse. Crazy, so it's kind of

491
00:24:05,839 --> 00:24:07,079
like what you were just talking about.

492
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, honestly, right around your due date. I

493
00:24:10,759 --> 00:24:15,400
think it's all awesome astrology that like there's so many

494
00:24:15,839 --> 00:24:19,240
indicators for giving birth. Yea, like I also like being

495
00:24:19,279 --> 00:24:21,759
a more positive experience not gone.

496
00:24:21,559 --> 00:24:26,279
Speaker 1: With I know, I please, I'll have It'll be a

497
00:24:26,279 --> 00:24:28,480
Mars return in the twelfth House. So I'm just hoping

498
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,640
there's not like a medical I mean, obviously I'm going

499
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,799
to the hospital to give birth, but so that is

500
00:24:32,799 --> 00:24:36,920
a twelfth House same, But yeah, praying it doesn't. It's

501
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:37,680
not like traumatic.

502
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,799
Speaker 2: No, I feel like Jupiter and on your ascendant is

503
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:46,359
it just feels like you're protected. Jupiter in a spiritual

504
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:50,640
sense is about protection. Yeah, it feels like you're being

505
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:51,279
watched over.

506
00:24:51,559 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 1: Do you think she'll be a Leo or a Virgo?

507
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it's really a good question.

508
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 1: Kind of like the due dates at the very start

509
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,839
of Burgo season play, so it could go either way.

510
00:25:01,839 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 2: I think she'll be a Virgo. Yeah, I do, because

511
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:09,640
I also feel like, especially like obviously just since you've

512
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,000
talked about, like when we've talked about you getting pregnant

513
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,400
and being like looking forward to and meeting you like

514
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,200
in persons, we haven't seen each other for so long.

515
00:25:17,559 --> 00:25:22,720
I'm just like I feel that the child also the chart,

516
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,039
So the baby's birth chart is going to be the

517
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,920
trance that's taking place when you get birth, which sounds obvious,

518
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,319
but like just to you know, to.

519
00:25:29,279 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: Share, it's always interesting to point that out.

520
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, because and so you like that child like you listening,

521
00:25:34,799 --> 00:25:37,160
You are a living reminder to your parents of the

522
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,559
trance's happening when you enter.

523
00:25:39,519 --> 00:25:42,279
Speaker 1: Their lives, like how they felt about going on, Yeah,

524
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:43,359
in that moment in time.

525
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,079
Speaker 2: Like if they give birth to you during their sad

526
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,400
in return, you are kind of like a Sadden return

527
00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:52,000
to them. Yes, is like a Jupiter return, which would

528
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:52,799
be a lot easier.

529
00:25:53,039 --> 00:25:55,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be just Jupiter return.

530
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 2: I love that I have that with my dad that.

531
00:26:00,039 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 1: I'm like trying to think of what I have with

532
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,279
my parents. But I don't think I was born at

533
00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:08,000
one of their returns. No, but I was, Yeah, I was.

534
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,759
My Saturn was transitting my mom's first house on her

535
00:26:10,799 --> 00:26:13,519
ascendant when I was born. Yeah, she's like a heavy

536
00:26:13,559 --> 00:26:15,119
Saturn transit she was going through.

537
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so it's almost like you are the living

538
00:26:18,039 --> 00:26:22,200
embodiment of those transits that kind of energetically brings up

539
00:26:22,319 --> 00:26:24,960
that heavier placement yea and vice versa.

540
00:26:25,559 --> 00:26:27,519
Speaker 1: I guess when it comes down to like predicting like

541
00:26:27,559 --> 00:26:30,200
an exact date for birth, it's kind of like where's

542
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,640
the moon going to be? That's really when it's like

543
00:26:32,759 --> 00:26:34,839
it gets into that nitty gritty of like could it

544
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,119
be this day? Could it be that day? And there

545
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,039
are certain moon signs where I'm just like that, I

546
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,960
just like don't think that would work, not in terms

547
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:47,160
of like compatibility, but just like timing and lining up

548
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:48,960
and how it goes back to like if you're part

549
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,920
of a family unit, like you're going through these changes

550
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,359
together as a family, the sinistery has to line up

551
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,920
in that way where it's like, Okay, if we're all

552
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,440
moving homes, we're all like moving to a new home

553
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,440
together as a family, Like they're gonna have chart alignments

554
00:27:04,519 --> 00:27:07,480
that also speak to like how that timing is making

555
00:27:07,519 --> 00:27:09,920
sense for them as well as like me and their dad.

556
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 2: Oh totally, Like I mean this kind of kind of

557
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,799
off topic, but I feel like when I'm looking at

558
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,680
my family's chart, like I'm one of like four girls

559
00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:23,200
and my parents, we all have a lot of Scorpio

560
00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:26,240
in our charts, and so it's really interesting like when

561
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,119
there are scorpio eclipses or when there's a big transit there,

562
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,720
or like in the fall and there's retrogrades, like usually

563
00:27:31,759 --> 00:27:36,759
there's something that affects everyone to your point, So yeah,

564
00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:37,839
you're completely right.

565
00:27:38,279 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: Like looking at my family, like my dad, my sister,

566
00:27:42,039 --> 00:27:44,440
and I are all Leo risings, so we all have

567
00:27:44,599 --> 00:27:47,680
like the same house system, like our fourth house is

568
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,640
all Scorpio and then our mom my mom is an

569
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,319
Aquarius rising, so it's still like the tourus Scorpio is

570
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,599
the tenth fourth. So it's like when we were moving

571
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,920
or when family stuff was taking place, like they got divorced,

572
00:28:00,039 --> 00:28:02,640
it was all showing up like at the same time

573
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,480
in our charts. And that's why I think, like sent

574
00:28:05,559 --> 00:28:07,559
a street with family members is so important. It's not

575
00:28:07,599 --> 00:28:09,599
so much about like do we get along or is

576
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,119
there compatibility, It's like is the timing of the lives

577
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:13,880
matching up?

578
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, the timing is. That's a really good point because

579
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,920
it's not all about compatibility. You're not like looking at

580
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,039
your when will the baby be born to be like

581
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,359
will they be a good match? Like, obviously it's gonna

582
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,440
be a good match because you are the mother, Yeah,

583
00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:29,519
or at least like it's what your soul called for, Yeah,

584
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,920
your baby's soul, So it's always meant to be yeah,

585
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,599
but there are times where you can say, like, Okay,

586
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,920
you can rest easy for the next like forty eight

587
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,279
hours because she won't be born yet.

588
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, I just like don't see her having like

589
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,079
a Capricorn moon, for instance, because I'm like, I don't

590
00:28:44,079 --> 00:28:47,759
have major planets in Capricorn, Like I don't know, major

591
00:28:47,799 --> 00:28:51,079
life events don't really happen under Capricorn transits for me, yeah,

592
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,279
Whereas if I had a child with a Capricorn moon,

593
00:28:53,319 --> 00:28:56,240
they would for them, yeah, but not for the rest

594
00:28:56,279 --> 00:28:58,200
of the family, Like it wouldn't make sense as much,

595
00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:01,720
whereas like if they have an Aquarius or Pisce's moon,

596
00:29:01,759 --> 00:29:05,119
that would make a lot more sense. Yeah.

597
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,279
Speaker 2: What do you do you feel? Like, do you feel

598
00:29:07,319 --> 00:29:09,759
like it's Leo or I'm.

599
00:29:09,599 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: Gonna make it. I think she's gonna be a Virgo okay,

600
00:29:13,039 --> 00:29:15,200
and I think she's gonna be born on August twenty ninth.

601
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 2: Okay, why say Moore.

602
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: I just think she's gonna have her moon in Pisces

603
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,880
just because I have a Piscy's moon and my husband's

604
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,240
fourth houses Pisces.

605
00:29:25,599 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

606
00:29:26,319 --> 00:29:28,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just like that's my final prediction that I'm

607
00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:31,279
making here. I love that I'll see if I'm right.

608
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a really I don't know why, Alice,

609
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,319
But when I was thinking about it, I don't even

610
00:29:37,319 --> 00:29:40,039
feel like it makes as much of astrology sense as

611
00:29:40,079 --> 00:29:44,279
other potential dates for her due date. But September third,

612
00:29:44,359 --> 00:29:46,960
I feel like it maybe the date September third.

613
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,839
Speaker 1: As I'm placing my bed on that, and that's a

614
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:53,279
Gemini moon, right, yes, okay, yes, why what you're reasoning?

615
00:29:53,599 --> 00:29:56,079
Speaker 2: Okay, it's kind of well, I don't know. I just

616
00:29:56,079 --> 00:29:58,839
think intuitively, I feel like it's gonna be like early September.

617
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:03,599
But I feel like the Virgo makes so much sense

618
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:08,200
to me because it helps balance, Like in your chart.

619
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,160
I actually see that a lot in first time others

620
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,799
where they have their child son in the second house.

621
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:17,440
Not every mother obviously, but like when that child helps

622
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,319
them to like feel a deeper sense of I don't know,

623
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,559
self worth, or it changes their value system or you know,

624
00:30:24,599 --> 00:30:27,000
second house themes, because that baby's son is going to

625
00:30:27,079 --> 00:30:30,000
light up your second house. If you're Leo riising, your

626
00:30:30,039 --> 00:30:32,279
second house is Virgo, they have a Virgo son. I

627
00:30:32,279 --> 00:30:35,920
had never thought of that, like, because I love that placement.

628
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,599
Speaker 1: My moon and my venus fall in my mom's second house.

629
00:30:39,079 --> 00:30:41,480
She's having second house transits. Yeah when I was born.

630
00:30:41,799 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I never thought of that, but it almost like activates,

631
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,480
like that's a change in the mother or you know.

632
00:30:49,119 --> 00:30:52,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I always prioritize like fourth house with family,

633
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,279
or the icy sign of you of your icy in

634
00:30:55,319 --> 00:30:57,440
like the third house or the fifth house. I'd prioritize

635
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,839
that sign a bit more. Yeah.

636
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just interesting because like when you can I mean,

637
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,000
this is for anyone. You can look to see Okay,

638
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,599
this is your mom's chart or your dad's or whoever

639
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,680
is your guardians, but you look to see where is

640
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,960
your son by a sign, and you can look to

641
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,960
see where it falls, you know obviously by house. Yeah,

642
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,759
you look to the corresponding house in their chart. Yes,

643
00:31:21,599 --> 00:31:23,960
and then it's showing like what area do you light

644
00:31:24,079 --> 00:31:27,920
up like the sun in their chart? Okay, just a

645
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,039
fun thing to look at.

646
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,519
Speaker 1: Wait, so going back to September third, why why is

647
00:31:33,599 --> 00:31:36,720
that because you mentioned okay, virgo sun makes more sense, okay,

648
00:31:36,799 --> 00:31:38,839
Well just why the Gemini moon okay? Yeah?

649
00:31:38,839 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 2: Well also the Virgo piece is that I feel like

650
00:31:41,839 --> 00:31:44,880
this baby has really grounded you, and that's like the

651
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,200
Earth sign. That's the Earth kind of Virgo. I get

652
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,279
that sense. But also I feel like, yeah, your values,

653
00:31:52,319 --> 00:31:54,599
like you just feel very in such a good spot,

654
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,839
you know, like I feel like that grounds you. And

655
00:31:56,839 --> 00:32:00,279
then also the Gemini moon, I mean, I just love

656
00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:03,759
Gemini moons. As a Gemini rising, it probably buys to that,

657
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,640
but I also feel like it's a good sign for

658
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,160
you because it feels like like in Jesse's chart would

659
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,240
light up his seventh house and he also has Venus there. Yeah,

660
00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:17,039
and I just feel like, you know, she like have

661
00:32:17,119 --> 00:32:20,079
them wrapped around her finger, like that's actually kind of

662
00:32:20,119 --> 00:32:25,119
common sometimes. Yeah, But then so he has like that connection.

663
00:32:25,559 --> 00:32:29,200
And then for you, I just think that because you

664
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,279
have your Pisce's moon and your son, which is a

665
00:32:33,359 --> 00:32:36,319
mutable sign, and then your son is in an air

666
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:41,319
sign in Aquarius, like that's the common air mutable gems.

667
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,640
I don't know, I just like, but I feel like

668
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,559
you also do tend to get along with people who

669
00:32:46,599 --> 00:32:48,839
have a lot of Gemini in their chart too, Like.

670
00:32:48,759 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: My dad's a Gemini moon. I think it's because I

671
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:51,880
myself's node there.

672
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the past life connection, yes, like nodle conjunct

673
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:56,400
to South node.

674
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,559
Speaker 1: Do you think nodle semistry. I mean, I'm sure you do.

675
00:32:59,759 --> 00:33:01,519
Like it's it's an important I just see that a

676
00:33:01,559 --> 00:33:03,160
lot with parents and children.

677
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,359
Speaker 2: That's huge. That's another really big one along with angles

678
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:07,440
like you were talking about.

679
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,799
Speaker 1: Do you notice like if it's more South node you

680
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,160
see with parents and children or North node. Because I

681
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,880
always talk about how with synistry, South No connections are

682
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,480
easier whereas North node is harder.

683
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,039
Speaker 2: I think I always use the word familiar like when

684
00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:24,799
I'm teaching about it, because sometimes it depends on the planet,

685
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,400
like South No conjunct Mars would be like like I

686
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,559
doubt you know, it does feel like familiar, and that's

687
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:36,079
usually in a home family sense, like more comfortable. But yeah,

688
00:33:36,079 --> 00:33:38,519
it can be both, but it definitely speaks to if

689
00:33:38,559 --> 00:33:43,079
that's easier or more difficult, or like North No connections

690
00:33:43,119 --> 00:33:47,400
are more what does your soul have to teach one another?

691
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,039
Because it goes both ways too. I think sometimes with synatry,

692
00:33:50,039 --> 00:33:53,039
where we tend to think if it's my mars on

693
00:33:53,079 --> 00:33:55,680
someone's South No, then that was me with the mars,

694
00:33:55,759 --> 00:33:59,440
like I'm frustrating them or something. But it goes back

695
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:00,960
and forth because.

696
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,359
Speaker 1: I'm always thinking like about my nodle placement in north

697
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,119
Nordon Sagittarius, South Nodon Gemini. Like, Okay, I feel like

698
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,760
she has to have something key in her chart around

699
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,519
those two signs just to have like a nodal connection. Yeah,

700
00:34:12,559 --> 00:34:14,239
I don't think there's gonna be like no connection to

701
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:14,760
the nodes.

702
00:34:15,079 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 2: I agree. Yeah, I think the nose are gonna show

703
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,519
up in that way. I mean, but I also think

704
00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:22,960
that it's very common to have some connection with your

705
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:27,920
sunman rising. Yeah, so your sunmon rising Aquarius, Leo Pisces.

706
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,800
I feel like that could show up as her.

707
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 1: Rising sign or her moon sign or and then the

708
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:35,800
mid heaven icy too.

709
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. Also which she gives a lot of options.

710
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's too much. Yeah, but Jesse has Virgo Midhaven,

711
00:34:42,559 --> 00:34:44,159
so that's kind of why Virgo makes sense.

712
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I also just like the Yeah, I mean

713
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,960
I think that for you. I I it's because also

714
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,000
there are other places even though she won't be a

715
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,079
well she might be. I'm just like predicting that she

716
00:34:57,159 --> 00:35:01,199
won't feel Leo, but she still has Jupe in Leo,

717
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,320
so you'll have that, which I love that sinistry connection

718
00:35:04,639 --> 00:35:07,239
yea with Jupiter on your icy I feel like it

719
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,679
well just or you're a c Yeah, but it just

720
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,800
helps to have this. It overrides so many kind of

721
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,639
frustrations or different challenges in a chart. When you have

722
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,960
a Jupiter, it's a it's a feel good sentistery. Yeah,

723
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,840
totally like friendship kind of feeling like you.

724
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: Have your Juter and Scorpio and I might Icy and Scorpio,

725
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,159
and I think we have that like matchup of yeah,

726
00:35:31,159 --> 00:35:33,400
it's easier. We're like, I know people that have Mars

727
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,880
and Scorpio. There's more of a tense interaction I have

728
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:36,280
with them.

729
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's just energetic. Sometimes you're like, oh, you're

730
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,599
both good people, but like you just rub each other

731
00:35:41,639 --> 00:35:43,960
the wrong way or like yeah, yeah.

732
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really interesting.

733
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 2: Nothing personal astrology.

734
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: Okay, So those are our final predictions and why Yeah.

735
00:35:52,679 --> 00:35:55,159
Speaker 2: I think so I feel good about my choice.

736
00:35:55,519 --> 00:35:57,639
Speaker 1: I'm like, I wonder if either of us will be

737
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,840
right or we'll both be like so shocked.

738
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,039
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think if we had more time, like if

739
00:36:02,039 --> 00:36:04,360
I sat down with it, we could narrow a down where.

740
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, I like these.

741
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,599
Speaker 2: But ultimately, whatever chart your baby has, it may be

742
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,920
so happy because she's your baby. Yeah, and it'll it'll

743
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,079
make so much sense because we can't know. We're just humans,

744
00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:17,920
you know, like with their human minds. We can try

745
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:22,239
to think which ones might timing wise be more applicable.

746
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,480
But what I think gets really interesting is seeing whatever

747
00:36:25,559 --> 00:36:28,280
chart is, okay, how does that affect you? How does

748
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,280
that impact your relationship and how you interact with each

749
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,679
other and past life connections and all that.

750
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be so cool. Yeah, seeing how also

751
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,480
like a child grows into their chart over time as well. Yeah.

752
00:36:42,559 --> 00:36:44,679
I want to pivot a bit and talk about pets

753
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,679
because since we last recorded, which is like May of

754
00:36:48,679 --> 00:36:52,199
twenty twenty five, we both got pets during the last year.

755
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,480
I got a cat and then you got a dog,

756
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,480
and we I don't know as much about you know,

757
00:36:57,519 --> 00:37:00,239
your pets Sun Moon Rising. Yeah, I just know my

758
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,159
cat's Sun and Moon, because.

759
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to ask.

760
00:37:04,639 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: I'm scared of.

761
00:37:07,039 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 2: Before I even got our dog. I mean probably would

762
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,480
have gote here anyway, but I was like, what time

763
00:37:11,599 --> 00:37:11,760
was she?

764
00:37:12,159 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: Oh my god, just to be like are we compatible?

765
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, because you know, you get a dog or

766
00:37:17,199 --> 00:37:19,239
a cat, you're gonna have that animal for such a

767
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,000
long time. Yeah, it was actually perfect sinistry. I was like, God,

768
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:24,000
that's the animal.

769
00:37:24,119 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 1: But it's also interesting. It's like I didn't plan to

770
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,320
get a cat around a certain date because of me either.

771
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,400
It just like happened. And then like this sinistry is

772
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:33,559
so strong.

773
00:37:33,679 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 2: So strong for you and your cat and for dog.

774
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, like my cat is Piscy's son. I have a

775
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,679
Piscey's moon. Yeah, and he has the cat also has

776
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,239
a Taurus moon, and my husband's a trust sun, so

777
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,519
he's the sun moon matchup with both of us.

778
00:37:47,639 --> 00:37:48,559
Speaker 2: So cute.

779
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: Do you notice because you know, like the full rising

780
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,480
sign in the houses, do you notice, like transit's affecting

781
00:37:55,519 --> 00:37:56,079
your pet?

782
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:01,039
Speaker 2: Yes? I mean, okay, so my pet super cute. She's

783
00:38:01,079 --> 00:38:04,000
like a little king Charles Cavalier. I'm obsessed with her.

784
00:38:04,119 --> 00:38:09,280
Her name is Whimsy, and yeah, so she is. If

785
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,639
she had been born an hour earlier, she would have

786
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:16,559
been a triple Scorpio actually, so yeah, so she's Scorpio

787
00:38:16,599 --> 00:38:20,599
sun Scorpio rising, and moon in Sagittarius.

788
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,559
Speaker 1: So the moon is just satar.

789
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:29,039
Speaker 2: Yeah okay, but basically it's funny to see how and yeah,

790
00:38:29,079 --> 00:38:32,159
timing things definitely come up, like you can just tell

791
00:38:32,199 --> 00:38:35,559
when they're like I always notice when the moon is

792
00:38:35,559 --> 00:38:37,800
in Scorpio because it's I have my moon and Scorpio.

793
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,400
But I see for her that there's kind of like

794
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,440
developmental things, like actually it just happened and she starts.

795
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,199
She never barks ever, she's such a chill dog, but

796
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,239
she started to kind of bark at things randomly with

797
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:51,679
the moon in Scorpio recently.

798
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: Knows that just like I wonder what will happen with

799
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:00,760
her when there's like venus and mercury retrograde and Scorpio effect. Yeah,

800
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,559
that's true because I noticed, even though I don't know

801
00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:07,760
my cat's rising sign, like he's so affected by mercury retrogrades,

802
00:39:08,599 --> 00:39:11,960
like he got really sick of the last one. He

803
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,840
has been kind of like antisocial or just more introverted

804
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,440
at this past one in cancer. So I'm just like

805
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,079
I feel like he is like ruled by mercury. Mercury

806
00:39:21,159 --> 00:39:21,559
is a big.

807
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,519
Speaker 2: Presence in his Gemini rising.

808
00:39:23,639 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

809
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's just like you need to ask, we

810
00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:29,000
must know.

811
00:39:29,159 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: I know. I just feel like I get so many

812
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,840
questions like does astrology apply to Petsy?

813
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 2: It does? Oh for sure? Does I think? Also the

814
00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:39,320
caveat there is how important is your pet to you?

815
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,480
Like I think sometimes like are we talking about like me?

816
00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:47,440
Most people have very strong connections with their pets though.

817
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it's like natural, like kind of

818
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,559
going back like this sinistery. It's like you don't have

819
00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:54,920
to plan for it. No, it's like a child too,

820
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,039
like it just happens. Yeah, it just happens.

821
00:39:57,119 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 2: And it's just shows that the timing is vine and

822
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,559
you don't even have to worry. Really, Yeah, it's fun

823
00:40:04,559 --> 00:40:05,199
to look at it.

824
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: I want to end by talking about like what we're

825
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,199
what transits we're excited for, Like what I don't know

826
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,159
what we're looking forward to for the next like six

827
00:40:16,199 --> 00:40:18,679
months to a year. Are there any that you're like

828
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,480
anticipating will be bigger for you?

829
00:40:21,519 --> 00:40:25,079
Speaker 2: Oh? I love that question. Well, we talked about a

830
00:40:25,079 --> 00:40:30,480
lot of them, so quarious. I love all the outer planets.

831
00:40:30,559 --> 00:40:34,199
But I also think the retrograde is happening in the

832
00:40:34,199 --> 00:40:38,400
fall in November especially, just mark your retrograde venus retrograde,

833
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,239
seeing how that shows up, because I have a stellium

834
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:41,920
in Scorpio.

835
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that'll affect you hopefully because the venus is

836
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,760
part Libra. But the Scorpio part is kind of more

837
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:50,719
impactful for you than the.

838
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think just because I'm thinking my moon, how

839
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,559
it gets impacted. But yeah, just seeing what comes up

840
00:40:57,599 --> 00:41:01,280
there for me. And also because I genuinely like retrogrades.

841
00:41:01,639 --> 00:41:04,639
And I think that's just because I like how reflective

842
00:41:04,679 --> 00:41:07,719
they make you. M Like you're just forced to reflect

843
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:08,880
on that area of life.

844
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: Is there one you find harder than others, like out

845
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:19,239
of like Mercury venus or Mars retrogrades. I mean they're

846
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:20,079
like so different.

847
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:24,039
Speaker 2: I notice that Mercury retrogrades more. Yeah, I really do. Yeah,

848
00:41:24,119 --> 00:41:26,880
even though they're more common, I actually do feel that more.

849
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:31,199
Speaker 1: I think they like cause everyday life stuff disruptions a

850
00:41:31,199 --> 00:41:33,679
lot more than like the other retrogrades.

851
00:41:33,199 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 2: Do I agree? Whereas the other retrogrades, I know they

852
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,960
would affect you more, Like with Mercury being my chart ruler,

853
00:41:42,159 --> 00:41:43,840
I think you do notice those more.

854
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, what about you? I I don't know, Like I

855
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,880
feel like the Mars retrograde is very looming for me. Yeah,

856
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,400
just Mars retrograde always is. It's such a big like

857
00:41:53,559 --> 00:41:57,159
turning point that really like gets you to think about

858
00:41:57,199 --> 00:41:59,519
where do you want to be next? And I always

859
00:41:59,559 --> 00:42:01,480
just wind out the Mars rectrigrade's over, You're in a

860
00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:04,159
new direction for the next two years. Yeah, So it's

861
00:42:04,199 --> 00:42:06,679
almost like for the months leading up to the Mars retrograde,

862
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,719
it's hard to like make a bigger decision about like

863
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,559
my business or like how I go about different stuff

864
00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:14,320
I put energy into, because I'm like, I will probably

865
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,760
feel a different way once that retrograde ends on April first.

866
00:42:18,559 --> 00:42:21,599
Speaker 2: It's almost this liminal time with your energy where you

867
00:42:21,599 --> 00:42:24,000
don't want to commit to anything because you know that

868
00:42:24,159 --> 00:42:26,400
whatever say yes to you now, it will shift.

869
00:42:26,639 --> 00:42:29,119
Speaker 1: I always give this as an example of the Mars

870
00:42:29,119 --> 00:42:32,880
retrograde in my ninth house, like in twenty twenty, when

871
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:34,960
it was in Aries and it was eleventh House for you,

872
00:42:35,559 --> 00:42:38,039
and how before that retrograde we were like we want

873
00:42:38,079 --> 00:42:40,920
to like share astrology, but we don't know how. And

874
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,800
then like the day the retrograde ended, we were like,

875
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:43,800
let's start a podcast.

876
00:42:44,159 --> 00:42:48,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, literally, I think it was actually like yeah, couple

877
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:49,599
days or something.

878
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: But it was like we couldn't figure it out the

879
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,400
whole time, and then.

880
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,039
Speaker 2: It became so easy afterwards. It just clicked. And I

881
00:42:55,039 --> 00:42:57,280
remember even like the name, We're like, oh, this like

882
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,280
everything just floats the brando.

883
00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, all got off the ground, like in the

884
00:43:02,039 --> 00:43:03,880
two months after the more structure green ended.

885
00:43:04,159 --> 00:43:07,159
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, and that's another example of the timing of astrology,

886
00:43:07,159 --> 00:43:09,519
because I know, Alice, like I appreciate the timing of

887
00:43:09,559 --> 00:43:12,480
things too, but like you especially, I think just knowing,

888
00:43:12,559 --> 00:43:15,800
even if you're in a heavier time, you can look

889
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:17,880
at your transits and you can say, Okay, right now

890
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,039
I'm in a tunnel. Yeah, and the light is here,

891
00:43:21,199 --> 00:43:23,599
like at this date, things will get easier, you know.

892
00:43:24,159 --> 00:43:28,039
I feel really it's dramatic how obvious it shows up.

893
00:43:28,599 --> 00:43:31,039
Speaker 1: Yeah. And it's something that gave me hope the last

894
00:43:31,039 --> 00:43:33,519
couple of years that felt so heavy with all the

895
00:43:33,559 --> 00:43:36,639
eighth of twelfth emphasis, and I like, yeah, sometimes it's

896
00:43:36,639 --> 00:43:39,039
hard to believe, like, well it ever get better, And

897
00:43:39,079 --> 00:43:42,280
then it does and you're like, oh, it actually is accurate. Yeah,

898
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:42,760
I know it.

899
00:43:42,599 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 2: It is always so fun because I'm like, oh, man,

900
00:43:44,519 --> 00:43:47,519
like you just can't doubt it. Yeah, And it's so

901
00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:49,920
much easier, like when you're looking at client charts because

902
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,800
you're so you're not in it, you're able to kind

903
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,920
of object that. Yeah.

904
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: But then sometimes people don't really believe you. Yeah, like

905
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,840
trust me, like it's going to turn around at this.

906
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:03,639
Speaker 2: Day or sometimes too like things are so far off

907
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,840
that it sometimes can feel. But to me it helps

908
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,119
because even if it's a couple of years off where

909
00:44:09,159 --> 00:44:12,519
things will get lighter, and I'd rather know that though

910
00:44:12,559 --> 00:44:15,400
it's not like another day, another day, like just kind

911
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,679
of being realistic that you need to slow down, like

912
00:44:18,119 --> 00:44:20,440
it's not just going to pass overnight. You need to

913
00:44:20,519 --> 00:44:22,559
take better care of yourself or you need to like

914
00:44:22,599 --> 00:44:26,400
give yourself more grace or so down more. You know.

915
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,559
Speaker 1: I think that mentality has been so helpful being pregnant

916
00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:31,360
and being like what's going to happen with work after

917
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,599
I have a child? Because it's like I can see

918
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,400
a couple of years on the road. I'm like, Okay,

919
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,280
career really picks back up again. Yeah, It's like even

920
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,840
if it's so much hard or like confusing in the moment,

921
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,440
I'm like I know, in like six months to a

922
00:44:42,519 --> 00:44:44,039
year from now, like I'll know what to do.

923
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, and when the energy is there, you'll use it.

924
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,519
But if it's not there, you just can't. I mean,

925
00:44:50,559 --> 00:44:52,119
you can try to do it, but it's just going

926
00:44:52,159 --> 00:44:54,599
to be like trying to drive a car and you're

927
00:44:54,599 --> 00:44:57,639
stuck in mud. Exactly, frustrating for everyone involved.

928
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: That's what I always say, Like you're not meant to

929
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,599
know the answer or like right now you're going to

930
00:45:01,639 --> 00:45:04,760
figure out when the transit like goes into effect, but

931
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:05,639
not a minute before.

932
00:45:06,039 --> 00:45:11,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's very frustrating, but it's true.

933
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,679
Speaker 1: Oh, it was so good to catch up with you.

934
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,280
Where can everyone find you, Macine?

935
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:21,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, so just my name Maxine? So max I E

936
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,000
l u z I A on Instagram right, yes, on

937
00:45:25,079 --> 00:45:27,920
Instagram and YouTube those are I want to do more

938
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,599
on YouTube too, because it's just yeah, I feel like

939
00:45:30,599 --> 00:45:33,639
I have so many ideas and I want to yeah.

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Speaker 1: To watch that SPA.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and I was doing Spiritual Astrology school again this fall.

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I do it once a year, so if you want

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more on that, yeah, like that'll start out end of

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August for enrollment.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and for anyone listening who missed the first episode

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with you, go back to my first episode with Maxine,

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because that's where we go over your whole approach to

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like you more have a spiritual slant to your astrology practice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Oh I love, but you just learn how

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to read charts and it's really fun. So I'm looking

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forward to that and then I just that and lots

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of readings. Yeah, I always, we always, Alisonne always talk

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about it where we're always kind of like there are

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certain seasons of life where we just really feel like

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called to do readings and other ones where it's kind

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of nice to take a pause.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is true. It like comes and goes and flows. Yeah, well,

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thank you for going me.

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Speaker 2: We're going to go to dinner now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah,