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what did you think of this episode?
Speaker 2: Non spoilers, non spoilers Episode five Dexter Original sin Uh.
Speaker 4: I like this episode.
Speaker 2: I'm continuing to dig this show. I think it's a
quick way I would summarize it. I feel like maybe
as we're going along, because yeah, because we're in episode
five now, of course in the GB discord, people are
discussing it, people in our private chats are disscussing it,
and maybe just bringing things to light that maybe I
once just never even thought of because it's just been
so long since I've seen the original show, And now
that people maybe address some of those things or brought
them into light, or maybe even just spending more time
with the show, maybe it's made me identify a little
bit more cracks to this pretty little vase that I've
been looking at these last few weeks. But honestly, even
with the cracks, like, I still think it's a really
awesome show.
Speaker 4: I will address like.
Speaker 2: Some of the things that might be an issue, but
I'll also explain why I think it actually is okay
to have it in this show. But you know, we'll
get there when we get there. But yeah, no, for
the most part, I am still continue to love the show.
I'm loving Patrick Gibson as our Dexter Morgan. I think
he's fantastic. Molly Brown, who's Deborah Morgan. She's continuing being
like my favorite character at least for like the adaptation
wise from the original show. Like I just see the
other acts and this character, like I think she's just
doing such a good job with the mannerisms. And it's
not just because they look the same, and I don't
think they like look that identical, but it's just some
of the ways that she drops lines like I remember
the old deb just saying it the exact same way.
So huge credit to those characters. Christian Slater, like I
like him in this show, but I'm just still like
having a hard time just seeing him not as Christian Slater.
So when he's doing like some dramatic stuff, I just
kind of chuckle to myself because I see this guy
as like a just avert, like an actor acting as himself,
you know, like as if he's playing his own his
own Christian Slater role. In the show of Dexter. I
don't know, it's it's a weird thing. But yeah, no,
beyond that, like, I think the show is still doing
really good job and yeah, I'm excited for next week.
Speaker 3: Cool. Yeah, I think.
Speaker 1: This episode and the show so far is it's catching
me off guard in a good way, because, like I
said at the beginning of this review, I was not
sharing a lot of excitement upon going into it. But
there's a lot of things and a lot of themes
that I'm really really enjoying now. I think that my
lack there of memory on the original Dexter show is
maybe to my benefit because there's a lot of things
that I can't break down and I can't nitpick, and
then there are certain individuals that will bring to light
certain things and it'll be like going on six thirty
to seven am, I'm seeing.
Speaker 2: These like we're just being around the bush, like these
individuals like Voldemort or something.
Speaker 5: You don't say that, Anya, Yeah, there's just certain things
that I think are I think it's fine in the past,
but this episode, I will agree that there is one
thing in particular it was like, wow, this is quite something,
and it does detract from a certain moment that they
establish in the original, so I will agree with that.
Speaker 4: And it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like it's at the end of the day, it's
not terrible. It's not bad.
Speaker 1: I still am enjoying the show and I'm still enjoying
the dexterisms and the relationship with the characters. The show
loves their wigs, they really really do. They love slapping
a good wig on a character.
Speaker 3: I agree with everything you said about Deb.
Speaker 1: I think that this actress, I can't remember her name,
she is just doing a fantastic job.
Speaker 3: Molly Brown, thank you.
Speaker 1: She's doing a fantastic job bridging these two characters together.
Because I'm with you, I don't see a difference.
Speaker 3: Between the two.
Speaker 1: She's just bringing it in her mannerisms and the way
she's acting. She feels like a young Deb And.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of.
Speaker 1: I'd say a little bit more, not a lot, but
a little bit more of like a new light that
shines on her and Dexter's relationship in this episode that
I like, And you get a little bit more not backstory,
but more of a focus on her as well as
she's kind of evolving as a character. And I've I
know Travis kind of gave me a little bit of
context on her backstory and where that takes her in
her career, because I remember last week I was trying
to figure Okay, where.
Speaker 3: How where's the bridge here?
Speaker 1: Where does this deborra end up in the Miami PD
And yeah, I just it's gonna be interesting to see
how the next few episodes unfold, because there's there's something
that's kind of like, Okay, this is like a good
vibe to it in this episode with what's going on
with her her path forward.
Speaker 3: But you can tell I think that something.
Speaker 1: Bad will come out of it, obviously, because it's just
that's just this universe.
Speaker 3: So there's that.
Speaker 1: But I'm trying to think what else I can highlight
non spoilers.
Speaker 3: Not really much.
Speaker 1: We're just getting an interesting dynamic between uh, I guess,
the past and the future.
Speaker 3: Not really that it's not really a spoiler.
Speaker 1: Because we're seeing it in the past few episodes. But
it's interesting to see how this is gonna play out
because I feel like Harry is doing a few things
as a character, and.
Speaker 3: It's of course unbeknownst to Dexter Dexter.
Speaker 1: What we know of Dexter Dexter is in this position
where he has all this information and knows all these things,
and at this point he's just adolescent.
Speaker 3: He's young.
Speaker 1: He doesn't know everything, and there's a lot that Harris
Harry is keeping from him, and so it creates a
different type of dynamic and relationship. Which, yeah, it's just
sets up an interesting narrative so far at this point.
And I have to remind myself like, Okay, yeah, Dexter
doesn't know about this, this, Deborah doesn't know about this,
this this, but Harry knows these things and these other
things are all secret and yeah, yeahda YadA. So it's
just trying to like wrap my head around. And I
think that again, the.
Speaker 3: Show's doing a good job.
Speaker 1: I don't think that they're really retconning a lot of stuff,
but I think, like I alluded to before, they're taking
advantage of people's lack there of memory and knowledge on
the niche specific little flashbacks that are in the original
Dexter show, right, like stuff that none of it is going
to remember, stuff I definitely don't remember, and then someone
mentions it, It's like, fuck, I don't remember that at all.
Speaker 2: See, well, I was gonna save most of that for
the spoiler section, but since you brought it up, I
think it's I think it's fair to kind of talk
about it in.
Speaker 4: The way of.
Speaker 2: Like the show is changing some details and things from
the original show. Like we've already spoken about that. How
like Harry didn't have like a child that drowned like
in the original show, and like there's just a couple
other again, like to me and you would see like
it is pretty minor. Some people are maybe getting a
little bit more up in arms about.
Speaker 4: It, but.
Speaker 2: Like for me, I almost defend the changes because I
just feel like it's a better story then like if
you leave it out, and you know, before people get
extreme and flame that opinion, I feel like I feel
like adding like like that for example, uh with with
Harry losing a child early on, like I feel like
it just makes such a more juicy like bond between
him and Dexter, and like for the sake of this show,
I think it just adds to it. Like I don't
think it's a negative in any way, and I don't
think it takes away from that original show it anyway.
Sure it's something different, but I think looking at what
this show is doing on telling its story, like those
scenes when I saw that, like I was impacted emotionally
as watching it right, like I'm not watching Dexter Dexter
newbut and this to enjoy this, Like I'm just watching this,
and I'm sure there is gonna be people that are
just watching this, and I don't think that it's a
bad thing by maybe changing something like that.
Speaker 4: Maybe if you, I don't know, had.
Speaker 2: Sergeant Doakes in here, for example, and Harry gets Dexter
to just murder him, and it's just like, Okay, well
that's a pretty big change because obviously.
Speaker 4: We have that character later on in the show.
Speaker 2: But I just think to the level that they're doing
it right now, and you know, maybe I'm wrong in
this opinion, but I just think right now how I'm feeling,
I don't really have an issue with any of the
changes that they've had.
Speaker 4: Maybe are you fucking kidding me? It's Travis. Travis's been
here somewhere.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you dropped out on his sake, or he
really just hacked in we'll see, But yeah, no, because
I Travis isn't here to defend himself, but I feel
like he's very much in the opposite corner to how
I'm feeling right now. At least that's some of the
heated messages that he sends to us at six thirty
seven AM, Like you were saying earlier, but I don't
know I spewed a lot there, But like what about you,
like big deal?
Speaker 4: No, has it been too much now?
Speaker 2: Like it's happened a couple of times, You're like, well,
before it wasn't bothering, but maybe now that more attention's
on it, blah blah blah, or maybe just or egregious
example of something like that happening.
Speaker 3: I don't find it to be bothersome. To me, it's
it's it's fine, And I think that everything so far
is it's, it's enjoyable.
Speaker 1: And again that's like I said, that's coming from a
perspective that I don't have the memory of these specific
things and the sequence of events and flashbacks in the
original series to basically make those comparisons like oh they
changed this, like oh well, this scene that they unveiled
here in this show to tracks and negates the feeling
and the power and the emphasis of this flashback in
this other in the main series.
Speaker 3: So I understand how that can have an effect.
Speaker 1: I totally do, and that's it's it's it can be
pretty shitty if it's done very very badly.
Speaker 3: But they're small things, and they're just flashbacks, so I
can kind of overlook it.
Speaker 1: I think that there's a lot of things with Harry
and with Dexter and the original show and those flashbacks that.
Speaker 3: I don't know. It was just it's a different it's
a different kind of setup.
Speaker 1: And I think that at the end of the day,
the things that they're doing to make this show kind
of it's very own unique, its own thing is so far,
so good, and I am enjoying it. There are things,
of course, that maybe they could have been a little
bit more accurate with and they should have just kind
of kept a little bit more tightly.
Speaker 3: Like connected.
Speaker 1: But and I say that because i'll speak not quote
unquote here, but i'll speak on a mapp of Travis.
There's certain things that happen where Dexter should still have
his long hair and he doesn't, and so like, oh, well,
how are we gonna how are we gonna get this
scene because he's supposed to have his long hair when
this event happens, It's like, you know what, I.
Speaker 3: Can let that stuff slide. But it's a continuous continuity,
continuity whatever whatever.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to say, continuity. That's the word, Thank you
very much.
Speaker 3: Perfect.
Speaker 1: Perfect, But yeah, anything else or should we jump.
Speaker 3: In the spoilers?
Speaker 2: No, yeah, that's good of spoilers.
Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna be right back after this quick
ad break and we are back.
Speaker 3: So where do you want to start with this episode?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 2: Yeah, just continue on the theme with what we're on about,
just some things that would be maybe different or something
like that. I feel like a lot of we're getting
a lot of hairy flashbacks here, and I understand why,
Like it's a lot of I guess just build up
of like the inevitable doom with the mother, right like
Dexter's mom. Yeah, I can't remember that character's name right now.
Speaker 1: But.
Speaker 4: Like we're getting a lot of those things.
Speaker 2: I feel like these flashbacks, I'm not even like that
big of a fan on I feel like most of
the time they're just kind of the same, Like, I
don't know, she does a job, and then they kind
of like flirt and bond. It's like, oh, he's really
good with my son.
Speaker 4: Look at that.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, you're gonna stay, we're gonna fuck now,
gotta go. This isn't right, okay, And like, I feel
like we've had like three, maybe more of those flashbacks already,
and at least the more recent ones have kind of
felt that way. You know, we're going to be getting
into some intense ones as the show is getting close
to the end of the season. At least I'm expecting,
like I would expect it ends this season with that
event happening. Hey, with her and the cargo container. Would
you agree with that?
Speaker 3: I would say so.
Speaker 1: I mean, the flashbacks have been jumping faster and faster
into the future and and picking up their pace, and
I mean she, oh my gosh, I just had her
name Doris, Doris Morgan. So she's already at this point
where she's in with this cartel and is.
Speaker 2: Doing Wait, that's not That's not Doris Morgan.
Speaker 4: Is Dev's mom.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Dev's getting all emotional crying at the
cemetery for Exter's druggy mom.
Speaker 3: What is her name?
Speaker 4: Then?
Speaker 3: Where's Castles here?
Speaker 2: Clearly it's irrelevant. Who cares about that person?
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, what is her name?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Showing me Doris Morgan?
Speaker 1: Now when I'm looking at of course, although she does
play a part in this episode because we get to
see okay that she does dad is she's pregnant, which
she can.
Speaker 3: It's all very very suss because Harry's like, We're not
even trying. She's like, oh, I'm just pregnant. It's like, okay,
you buddy, I think you need to follow up on this.
There's a few holes here.
Speaker 4: We've never had sex. Definitely a little.
Speaker 1: Bit suspicious, especially because he's he's sleeping with Dexter's mom,
which I don't know if that was something from the
original show and people, you know, listeners, you can hate
me hard if if I am should something like that.
Speaker 2: Laura Moser was her name, Dexter mosx mos.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's something that I just I do not recall
if they had a romantic relationship, and it's not a
little bit familiar.
Speaker 3: But uh yeah, it's it's gonna get to that terrible.
Speaker 1: Point where it is in the shipping container and both
the boys are going to be in there.
Speaker 3: But it's it's neat to see how.
Speaker 1: Harry is building a relationship with with them. I don't
feel like personally they are killers already him Dexter and
his brother. I feel like that's something that does get
triggered when they're in the shipping container. Right now, I
just feel like it's boys being boys kind of stuff.
Nothing too crazy, but yeah, and it makes sense too.
Why you see this kind of story unfolding where Harry
is kind of connecting with them because of the loss
of his own son and he doesn't have a kid
and his wife couldn't give him a kid, And now
all of a sudden, his wife has has.
Speaker 3: A kid on the way.
Speaker 1: So there's a whole bunch of stuff going on here.
But yeah, that wig that he's wearing, it's just something else.
Speaker 3: It just and the weird, sad Christian slaters. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're very much making him like a classic like
seventies like cop type guy. Like he's got like the
white beaters on with the Hawaiian shirts. I don't know,
like it it should kind of fit that era, right,
Like isn't this the seventies all these flashbacks that are
happening and he's in Miami, so like why would he
not be wearing like a Miami Vice type outfit? Like,
like I feel like maybe the original Harry was more
inaccurate with with with his appearance. I don't know, it's
it's definitely a style decision, but I also respect them
not wanting to just really try and make Christian Slater
James Ramar I think that's his name, because they're not.
And I don't know if you want Christian Slater. Probably
a good idea to kind of change that style. But again,
people are gonna shout at me for having that opinion.
I can already hear someone in the back of my
head right now.
Speaker 3: He reminds me. His style reminds me of Rita's ex Husban.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that guy, that fucking he's a shit guy.
Speaker 3: He does.
Speaker 4: Could you imagine they just had that actor playing Harry.
Speaker 2: He looks more like they should like Christians Ladter play
that guy in the future show when they read Dexter.
But yeah, know for like the aesthetic of those flashbacks, Yeah,
I have no problem with them. It's just I think
some of the substance lately has not been the best.
Maybe maybe how I see it is I'm enjoying the
show so much that when they're spending focus on moments
of the show that I don't high as high up there.
I just I just see as a lesser, right, Like
I just want to spend more time with uh Dexter
and the rest of the cops or something like, like
I like his back and forth with Sarah Michelle Geller,
like I want more of that content. All I really
know is she's a she's a big gambling addict. I
guess she's watching the ponies at work.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, losing a lot of money.
Speaker 2: But hey, you know she led to our our answer
on the the tranquilizer thing. We got that answer here
and the in this episode, So that was kind of
a fun moment.
Speaker 4: I guess. I don't know it was.
Speaker 2: Anything super amazing. It was just like, oh yeah, that
that actually makes a lot of sense. It's not like
he read a fortune cookie that you will start tranquilizing
your endemies. It's just you heard about this. It's effective.
I got it tightened up because Harry is on my case,
so how do we do that? So I was totally
fine with just how that played out. And it felt
natural too. It wasn't like forced an eyebrowie, like, hey, guys,
remember how he does this in the show, Like he's
gonna start doing this now, like it it felt like
a natural step maybe evolution. He got a new skill
point in his skill tree that he evolved in the tranquilizers.
Speaker 3: You don't find that, and I agree with you. I
totally agree with you.
Speaker 2: Avocate coming Yeah, try was the message right now? Ask
her this push on that note.
Speaker 3: You didn't feel it was like, what's your name? You're alone?
Han solo, like kind of this up in your face
like that.
Speaker 2: No, I didn't, not not for that moment at least,
but like maybe it's bad that. I can see where
you're coming from with that, Like I could see how
some people pull that way, but I for one definitely
did not at all.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's good, that's good. I don't either.
Speaker 2: I was just I thought for the jury, it's it's
it is cool that he.
Speaker 1: He that's where he kind of learns that that ability
of using that that drug. And we know in the
later I guess uh new Blood and Dexter. In the
original show, he gets that kind of like veterinarian certification
so he can actually legally purchase it because it's not
something anyone any Joe Bow can go off the street
and into the store and just pick up. So yeah,
that's something that he works his way to obtaining and
he uses it for the first time on Harry in
this episode, which is that's quite something. That that whole
follow up to that. That's what really just made me
laugh when I mean, we don't have to get into
it just yet, but we can build up to it.
Just the whole situation on folds from that just it
makes me laugh.
Speaker 3: But he definitely cuts it close.
Speaker 1: I mean I thought for sure after last week that
I don't know how he's gonna talk his way out
or get out of this. After the Hidden Run accident
when that guy got made.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that and then we picked up right there.
It was like basically the guy that crushed him freaking out.
I'm glad we didn't waste any time. We just got
right into like picking up from where we were last week.
And it's kind of what I assumed was gonna happen,
Like you just had the limited amount of time to
rush back and then clean up the scene. By the
skin of his teeth, he makes it out and that's
actually what happened. I major rolled my eyes when the cops.
Speaker 4: Like, wait a minute, what's this. That's a classic Van Halen.
Speaker 2: He's like totally red bro, and I'm like, holy crap,
I feel like I've seen the scene like nine times
or something in my life, not in Dexter, just in
my life of.
Speaker 3: Like wait a minute, what's that.
Speaker 4: Oh he's gotten the riginal blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: Totally cool, bro, Like it just it seems so cheap
and almost like AI level scene. But I'm getting too
I'm getting too into it. So yeah, I know that happened,
but I also am glad that there was some repercussion here.
How Dexter was just like okay, cool, like we got
we got the bad guy, right, like like that's kind
of his perspective of it. Then he comes into and
Harry's just bitten, I don't know, chain smoking all night,
hitting the scotches. He's all pissed off, like why am
I hearing this guy on my radio? And he really
like doubled down on the point of like it's not
just the bad guy died, like like mistakes were had
and you can't even you can't even leave a freaking breath,
I don't know the fingernail on the crimes like like
like it's it's you got to be super tight if
you want to do this because it's not just him
that's at stake, right, Like it's Deb's life, it's it's
obviously Harry's as well. So there's a lot of factors
at play on why he has to be covering his ass.
And he's kind of like he's kind of like jovial,
right and like kind of how a like a younger
person would see. It's like, oh, well, yeah, yes it's bad,
but like we had fun doing it, right, So that's
not really obviously what he wants Dexter to be thinking about.
Speaker 4: So I like the follow up the repercussion, and I
don't know.
Speaker 2: I also like, because we had that repercussion, I assumed
something actually was gonna come out of it.
Speaker 4: Like I assumed, especially when.
Speaker 2: Harry like goes to the morgue afterwards and then he's
asking about the body, Like I thought they were actually
gonna be onto something like oh no, like we saw
signs of rough housing and then that would lead into
a little bit more of intensity on Dexter side. But
it didn't really go that way. But I don't know, yeah, no.
Speaker 3: It didn't go that way. And I thought it was
cool when Harry was checking up and just.
Speaker 1: Like, oh, you know, is there just wanted to in
the neighborhood check the body and the guy's like, yeah,
it's not homicide unless the driver has a.
Speaker 3: Connection to him. Yeah, yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's just a fun kind of inner Harry kind of
like pulling the strings.
Speaker 3: And it's weird seeing Harry just really be.
Speaker 1: Upfront with with this whole thing and just like willing
to go against his ethics, I feel like, and go
against the police Miami PD to just kind of like keep.
Speaker 3: Everything under wraps for Dexter.
Speaker 2: And I think he's not really scared to use his power,
which I.
Speaker 1: Mean, yeah, he clearly is not scared to use his
power because he's drinking after being vindicated by his boss
and then goes to just cold blood like execution in
open nighttime in front of the guy's house.
Speaker 2: Like what that heps in like Miami, Florida, which is
not a low population town. Like there's probably everyone in
their dog out on a walk right now watching this
drunk idiot come out with a gun. Yeah, that was
pretty darn egregious. And before I go into that, I'll
say quickly like I feel like something that they are
doing throughout the show is they're demonstrating that like Harry
was maybe like the best cop or best detective ever,
but now he's starting to slip and this like maybe
older era of like he like he can't catch every
bad guy and that's really starting to eat away at him.
And I think that was evident in this episode with
the like he fucked up the whole trial and then
that guy got away even though he like knows he's
a murderer. So so now it's just like, oh, man,
like how many times is it just gonna be eating
away at me? And I'm getting older, you know, like
I'm not a young cop anymore, where I'm full of
piss and vinegar it can just like take out every
bad guy, like like that realization is hitting him, and
I think that's pretty clear and evidence. So now it's like, well,
maybe I'm slipping out of my ethical code way because
even just having dexter as like a weapon, right, like
that's pretty morally wrong, especially.
Speaker 4: Between any other cops.
Speaker 2: I'm sure they'd be pretty darn opposed to that.
Speaker 4: So like he's.
Speaker 2: Definitely not clean, and he never has been, even even
in the original show because of all this stuff that's happening.
But even this version more than anything. It's it's more
morally out of line because of what he was doing
with Laura Moser, right, Like he shouldn't be you shouldn't
be dipping his pen into the ci inc as he
has been in that case. So it's he's a very
flawed character, and I think that that's not really something
that's like it might be more evident right now, like
in this Christian Slater version, but even in the James
Ramar I feel like that's always been a thing where
he never was like squeaky clean maybe or no, sorry,
maybe he was, but he never like ended his days
of being like that squeaky clean cop. And yeah, yeah,
even though this one feels maybe a little bit more
of a.
Speaker 3: Step up, mm hmm, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then I guess if you have nothing to
talk on that I deviated us away from from his drunken,
drunken stumbling out of the bar.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I really did not like this at all. And so
what part were you and Travis talking about? Your giggling
at was it when he was on the.
Speaker 3: Is when he's on the table, so before that, I.
Speaker 2: Was laughing like my ass off when he's just like
you see this like evil guy, you know, talk with
his buddies like just just beat the trial.
Speaker 4: And then like that's all we see.
Speaker 2: At first, we don't see anything else, and then maybe
I'm seeing like expecting to see Dexter here or something
like Okay, this is gonna be the next kill. And
then it just goes to the Christian Slader like clearly
hammered in his like muscle car, just looking like like
Anakin Skywalker as he's fading over to Palpatine's side, like
he just looks like he's so evil.
Speaker 4: And like so sweaty and just ready for murder.
Speaker 2: Like I it was just so wild, and I don't know,
like I thought for a moment, I'm like he's actually
just gonna go out there and start shooting, and then Okay,
this is where we're gonna have major issues with.
Speaker 4: The continuity of the show. But didn't get there.
Speaker 2: Even though like even the fact we didn't get there,
it didn't save that for me, Like that was just
that was so wild to see just that level of
I think dramaticism of how that was gonna go about,
Like it's one thing, drinking double scotches, just being mad
that you fucked up but like, no, I'm gonna go
fucking shoot this guy right in his house, and like
even just driving out of that bar like drunk, like
like it was just stated in the bar with his
captain that like he's high profile now because he just
dropped the ball, you can't have any attention on you.
And he's just like smashed, like he's been slamming scotches
and now he's getting behind the wheel. I don't even
know how he got there. He should have like probably
died on the one root of being that hammer driving
a car. So I had a lot of issues with
that scene. But yeah, just for that sequence, like not
including the table, Like how did you feel about that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think that there's it just doesn't fit with.
Speaker 1: It doesn't fit with the Harry that I was kind
of expecting or thinking of, because the Harry that I
am accustomed to, he's like much more calculated and whatnot.
Speaker 3: But I think we're seeing a lot more holes here.
Again there he was a flawed.
Speaker 1: Character in the original show, but not to this degree,
and that was something we kind of learned as we
went along. And here I just feel like, Okay, it's
fuck up after fuck up, and it did not fit
with him to just be vindicated and not vindicated but
spared the wrath of the government because his boss went
on a limb for him and then saved his job,
told him not to mess up again.
Speaker 3: Yeahaah yaha, yeada YadA.
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, here he is in
the camera showing his vision like blurring out, he's stumbling,
he's swaying his gun, ready to just shoot this guy,
like what the hell, and he's dreaming out Dexter about
being careful and all this different shit because it'll affect
everyone in the family if Dexter gets caught, Whereas he's
just a hypocrite because he's gonna fucking do it himself.
So that's why I do like what Dexter does, and
I like at the same time, Dexter feels like an
semi out of control, like just like he's on the high.
Speaker 3: He's on the drug of just killing.
Speaker 1: People, and this is just him taking it in and
enjoying it, and I like that.
Speaker 3: It's him also proving to Harry that.
Speaker 1: He can he could do this. We learn, okay, he
was following him. Harry never had any idea. He was
just following the code.
Speaker 3: And the code that Harry had kind of created for him.
Speaker 1: There's a lot going for him to do this, and
so I I like that, and I think that there
are some things in there that it really really work out,
and ultimately, I mean, when you get to that table scene,
it's it's definitely quite something. I mean, like I said
there in our group chat, Harry wakes up on that
table and he's looking like this.
Speaker 2: For those who don't know, it's it's a show of
a young Dexter with the wig from the original Dexter.
Speaker 3: Good old wig.
Speaker 1: Ah yeah, it's just I was laughing completely, just and
stitches when Harry was on that table and Dexter's just.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, like, could you fucking imagine.
Speaker 1: Like you know, your son is this serial killer and
you're on this table you're fucking naked.
Speaker 4: He's like, oh yeah, murdered right there.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's like what was it? The fucking wrap
like the bubble not bubble wrapped, the shrink wrap.
Speaker 1: Shrink wrap, thank you, And that's just like, oh see
it sticks to the skin better and all this. And
I know in Travis's case, he was saying, like, well,
the whole scene where Harry sees.
Speaker 3: This setup for the first time.
Speaker 1: It's what drives him to kill himself and he just
can't handle it's just discuss him uh, and.
Speaker 3: It's all this fucked up.
Speaker 1: I totally get that, and I understand how this can
kind of detract from that.
Speaker 3: I'm telling myself and my head Cane that Harry was
still feeling drunk, kind of like queasy. He was knocked
out too. On top of being.
Speaker 1: Uh all drunk, inebriated, he had that horse tranquilizer shot
into him, So he's probably feeling like super crazy and fucked.
Speaker 2: Up, probably too because it's whatever late eighties or something,
that's right, Mimi.
Speaker 1: He wakes up and he's, uh, yeah, he's just dazed
and confused.
Speaker 3: Like where the fuck are my clothes? What's going on?
Speaker 1: So I don't think he has enough time to really
sit there and process the environment and the whole context
of the situation.
Speaker 3: So in my head, Canna, that's to his credit and
his defense. Whereas later when he actually sees Dexter with
a body taped.
Speaker 1: Down to this table and shrink wrap and Dexter actually
going through with this, then that's when I think it
makes sense. When Harry is like Okay, yeah, this is
all fucked up.
Speaker 3: What the hell?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like that. I mean, it's fair reasoning
for you, but I feel like this is one where
maybe the impact of like this affecting the original show
is actually felt because like you just stated, like in
the original show, that is that is like the moment
of he is like he is so I don't know
if disgusted the right word, but just so like shell
shocked at the reality of kind of what he said
into play here. And maybe there's many other facts. Maybe
he was on horse tranquilizers in the original show and
he just couldn't handle it and then he he offed himself.
Who knows, But I I feel like this one it's
a little bit harder for maybe me to get that
jump for he like wakes up looking at the murderer,
which I think is so much scarier if you're like
just opening the door and you're seeing the act happen.
I feel like this would be like a night terror
dream of like like and like you know, maybe that
is something that is gonna happen maybe later on in
the show. This is really gonna start weighing on him,
and then he has these night terrors of just looking
up and seeing Dexter as this murderer. Maybe they will,
they will play it that way, but I just think
like the nonchalantness of how he walked out of that room,
like ah, you got me, okay, whatever, just just do
it right, and dex Is like, you can't stop this anymore.
Speaker 4: This is who I am.
Speaker 2: It's just like okay, whatever, I'm gonna go drink it off,
or I'm gonna go go drink it off, go drink
up some more scotches, or just go sleep off. So
maybe you are pretty accurate and he is just so
out of his mind, but I don't know it maybe
just the way the actor portrayed it in that sequence,
it didn't really seem that was the case. It just
seems like he doesn't really care. Like the reality of it.
It's like, yeah, no whatever, I'm a detective. I've seen
a lot of fucked up things. They've already stated in
this show that he is very desensitized, right, Like why
when they go to the little boy murder scene, like
he's not even really reacting. But then like Dexter is,
it's like, yeah, I remember my first child murder case,
which is a wild thing to say, but yeah, I know,
like just the reality of it is, right, like when
you are exposed to it that much, you just get
desensitized to it. But now that we've seen this, I
think it's gonna have to be quite a few other
factors in order for me to believe like him just
you know, suiciding himself. So I don't know, Well, we'll see.
There is still a lot of things that are left
to kind of maybe a lot of rivers and valleys
that have to meet to like really make me fully
being able to swallow this river that they're giving me
right now. But that's a weird thing to say. But uh, yeah,
I don't know.
Speaker 4: We'll see what happens.
Speaker 2: But as of right now, I think this was like
the worst case of something like that happening. Of a
little bit of a difference from the show, even though
early on I was defending a lot of those moments
which I still stand by, and even even like the
dialoguing while he was on the table, Like, although I
didn't really love everything that was going on, I still
think like the back and forth there, like it kind
of plays with the back and forth at Dexter and
Harriet has had throughout this whole specific show now, you know,
if you want to play Devil's advocate and say, well,
that's the issue is that they're changing it from the
original show, Like if they just have a fucking boring
Bland Harry in this show, kind of how the later
stages of James Ramar's living life was in the Dexter show.
I'm saying, like the actor's dead, I don't think he's
actually dead, and they actually fact check that because I
apologize if he has passed, but I don't think he has.
But like, like, I just don't think it would have
been as quality of what this is, like, like having
that character bounce off of our other characters, are supporting
casts and everyone else around. Like, I don't know, I
just don't think I would have been enjoying it as much.
It's tough to say because I don't live in that
reality of seeing that, But I don't know.
Speaker 4: That's kind of.
Speaker 2: My pushback on some of the decisions that they've made,
And maybe some of that is like not having Patrick
Gibson wear this stupid wig for like just just to
make it synced, you know, like with the original show,
Like I don't fucking care what his hair looks like.
Speaker 4: He's a handsome guy.
Speaker 2: I don't want to have him wearing this stupid man
butN like he did in episode one, I thought it
looked horrible. So I am glad that he's he's looking good,
uh in these episodes. And I will say too when
when he was all stoned and he's wearing like that
white teeth man he's got some guns, like he's he's
looking shredded. He's a he's a good looking man. But uh, yeah,
I know. I also like the pot scene. I thought
that was quite funny, him and Deb and him just
realizing that he might have revealed some things last night.
But I don't know, I said a lot there. You
can go back with what I was saying on the
Harry Harry stuff and some changes and the character overall.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like I I like the the pop Brownie stuff.
I think that was that was a lot of fun.
And just the relationship between Deb and Dexter and just
how that kind of opened up a bit more. And yeah,
just him.
Speaker 1: I think with Harry, I think you you hit the
nail on the head there with a lot of bats
and just how he is desensitized and so you need.
Speaker 3: We need a little bit more.
Speaker 1: Evidenced and not evidence events to kind of get Harry
to the point where he is very disgusted by what
Dexter has done.
Speaker 3: I think that's a great, a great kind of mentioned there.
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see more of the fallout and just
kind of what happens with Harry because he let it
slide that this witness had an alibi or.
Speaker 3: Someone who was covering like for him.
Speaker 1: Uh, just the victor, the suspect having this this potential alibio,
and he's just in court and he looks at the
judge like, oh.
Speaker 3: She was coked out of her mind.
Speaker 1: She couldn't put two wardsy Like he was not in
a good position right there. He should they should have
just called for like a recess or something, but unfortunately
that kind of went against them.
Speaker 3: So it'll be interesting to see where this is gonna go.
Speaker 1: Because I thought they were leading the Dexter going in
to kill him, but Dexter did not. Dexter just saved
his dad and kept his dad from making a mistake.
So I'm sure that the guy will be the next target.
I'm sure that Harry will be like, Okay, dex You're
you're good to go, go get him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I did.
Speaker 2: Like, like that's what kind of saved the whole situation,
was like the first time he used the tranquilizer he
uses on Harry, especially because it like it is really
set up that this is what's going to be happening, right,
because he even mentions when Dexter goes to Miami Metro
talks to Angel, it's like, oh, he didn't hear what happened.
He fucked up, blah blah blah, and he realizes this
would be like a perfect candidate for the for the
whole code and everything right because he is a bad
guy that got through the evidence was like pointing to
that it was just like a fumble that dropped the
whole case. And then he's like getting all of his
horse tranquilizer, he's doing his his body mass index reference
point and all these things, and then you just have
you know that that's what plumps Harry down and the
little I can't even remember.
Speaker 4: What he said to him, but I liked all of that.
Speaker 2: But it's until he like wakes up in the kitchen
and I'm like, Okay, David, this is going a little
bit too far here.
Speaker 4: Dexter and I don't know. He's like, Deb's not coming home.
Speaker 2: She left a note like are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 4: Man like plan.
Speaker 2: Getting canceled and liked, maybe the cops are just coming
in to surprise, you know, to try and cheer him
up because he had a shitty day.
Speaker 4: Who knows.
Speaker 2: I feel like there's so many factors on why that's
a terrible idea.
Speaker 4: But I don't know.
Speaker 3: I agree. I don't think I have anything else unless
you do.
Speaker 2: What else happened in this episode?
Speaker 4: What's going on with uh? Oh LaGuerta.
Speaker 2: She was in here, but she was just looking into
I guess she was interrogating the drunk driver. Oh, he
wasn't a druk driver. I'm pining to him like hiss
like his actual murderer, But he wasn't. He was super innocent.
I liked just Dexter again in these Miami scenes, like
I want more of them. I think Patrick Gibson's just
so good at like doing that like fake Dexter type
roleplay exactly how Michael C. Hall was like like he
just hit nails it so well. Oh that was the
other thing I was gonna say, was the deb or
stuff with the mom. I actually really liked all of
the stuff with this kind of being like a remembrance
episode for that character, like the one year passing. I
think I liked it also how each individual character, Harry,
Deb and Dexter all got like a one on one
with the tombstone, like like they weren't just all there together.
I don't know, I'm I'm just loving Deb also like
throughout the show, Like I think thinking about the unfortunate
tragic things that happens that character throughout the whole events
of the Dexter show, like just kind of seeing her
origin here and how she's not like she is a
character in here that has some weight to play, but
like she's not like on the cop side yet, like
like she's still a student, so like she still has
a lot of innocence there, even though she's really getting
thrown into shitty situations, whether it's Harry and Dexter just
never giving her the attention that she needs, or just
feeling so alone and lost without her mom. You know,
she's just trying to win over her own fucking volleyball team,
let alone her family. So I don't know, I'm just
enjoying kind of this era of what what debit is
going on right right now? I'm still super suss about
her boyfriend, you know whatever. His name is, Julio with
the hot boy toy, with the nice Mustang thing that
he has, including not a car guy.
Speaker 4: That's not what they was.
Speaker 3: But they've slept together now too.
Speaker 4: Yeah they're now chopping cheeks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, is he going to turn to a jerk? Now?
Speaker 2: It's funny because like this the scene, the setting of
like where they boned, you know, just in a car
and like some random pier thing. I'm like, this is
like the opening to it follows, Like this just seems
way too you know, they hook up in the car
and then but I don't know he was still there afterwards.
We'll see what happens. But yeah, I know, I just
double down in on the performance I think from from
Maldi Brown. She's just so fantastic in this and this.
Speaker 4: Role is deb.
Speaker 2: And beyond that, yeah, they're like there wasn't a lot
for any other characters, our side characters here, at least
if I'm remembering correctly. Every time I see Angel, I'm
still just tripped out that it's not the same actor
from the original show because he looks identical, like even Masuka,
Like they.
Speaker 4: All are just like so similar.
Speaker 2: I'm still glad but the dosages that we're getting for
Masuka through the whole show.
Speaker 4: But yeah, but beyond that, I think that's that's everything
for this week. Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, I'm really loving the show. And this is also
something that because this show is making me really wanted
to rewatch the original. I'm curious how much my thoughts
Flux and Wayne, you know, when we get into those
scenes that they're kind of redoing here and changing some
of the can im up, Like, Yeah, I'm curious if
I'll still feel how I feel right now. But that's
what I gave you, folks. That's my review for today.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and closing for me, I just it was. It
was a great episode. Really really enjoyed it, and I'm
excited to see where things will progress from here.
Speaker 3: I can't remember how many episodes this season has again,
is it eight? Is it ten? This is I feel
like it was ten.
Speaker 2: I have the uh I had the original show up
this one is.
Speaker 4: Sorry, folks, my computer's not what it used to be.
It's ten episodes, all.
Speaker 1: Right, So we are halfway through. Uh so we got
still a lot of ground to cover, and I'm excited.
Speaker 3: It's nice to cover it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is nice, and yeah, I just think that,
Like you said, castings are great. They nailed them so
well with everyone in Miami PD, and I'm excited to
see where this is gonna go.
Speaker 3: But that's all.
Speaker 1: I got, so, ladies and gentlemen, we will be back
next week with more Dexter Original Sin, so stay tuned
for that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Until then, we'll see you in the search bar.
Speaker 4: Have a good one. Bye, b