Speaker 1: What's up, everybody. It's me Cecily here with Stephanie. I
Speaker 1: eat no, I don't know. Does my voice sound kind
Speaker 1: of cheerleader? Do I sound kind of sexy?
Speaker 2: Hot? Like yeah, hot?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't want to brag. I don't want to brag.
Speaker 1: I don't want to, but you should. But I'm going to.
Speaker 1: I need to.
Speaker 2: I don't want to. It's just one of those things.
Speaker 1: I went to Death Cab for Cutie last night, and
Speaker 1: it's not like I was screaming, you know.
Speaker 2: I'm not like, oh I don't.
Speaker 1: Scream or no songs, but you were talking loudly, you know,
Speaker 1: at a very loud concert, when you're kind of talking
Speaker 1: to your friend or like, oh, I'm gonna go to
Speaker 1: the bathroom whatever. You talk loudly for a long time,
Speaker 1: you kind of lose your at this age, and I
Speaker 1: kind of did a little bit. And let me just
Speaker 1: tell you, if they are coming to your city and
Speaker 1: you are in any way a fan, go go to
Speaker 1: that show.
Speaker 2: It was one of the best. Dude. I don't know
Speaker 2: why I just called you dude, but I love that's what.
Speaker 1: That's what being around the sort of like white guys
Speaker 1: in flannel with little beards does to me?
Speaker 2: Bro, Bro, look at me. You want to go Yeah, Bro, I.
Speaker 1: Mean I'm seriously one of the best shows I've seen
Speaker 1: in a long time, you know, ago, I go to
Speaker 1: a lot of shows, and I mean this was just
Speaker 1: like this was like religious, like this was like holy shit.
Speaker 3: Like a spiritual experience.
Speaker 1: Yes, as the only that's the only time I've ever
Speaker 1: moved to a spiritual experiences through music. But it doesn't
Speaker 1: always happen. It didn't happen when you and I went
Speaker 1: to Barny Good Ladies the last time.
Speaker 2: It didn't.
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't get I didn't get called. I
Speaker 1: didn't get the calling. This when I got the calling,
Speaker 1: I got it, okay.
Speaker 4: And do you know a lot of death cab for
Speaker 4: Cutie songs? Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1: And not only that, I prepared myself because they're touring
Speaker 1: for this new album that they have that just came out,
Speaker 1: and usually that's kind of rough because you're like waiting
Speaker 1: for the old songs. And I just sat down and
Speaker 1: listened to it twice like a crazy I don't really
Speaker 1: have that much going on, so I just put on
Speaker 1: my headphones while I was do another stuff, and I
Speaker 1: listened two full times to the new album, and I
Speaker 1: think it's so good. So every time they played a
Speaker 1: new song, I was just so Overjoe. They opened with
Speaker 1: one of the new songs and I just like lost
Speaker 1: my mind. I was really into it.
Speaker 2: It's really good. I swear you would love it.
Speaker 4: I believe you. You know, I want to tell you
Speaker 4: really quick that. So I just got back from a
Speaker 4: trip back East and when I was on the PO,
Speaker 4: I downloaded some stuff to watch on TV, like basically,
Speaker 4: and I couldn't really there wasn't like a lot that
Speaker 4: I thought of to watch. So I downloaded the documentary
Speaker 4: about Noah Cohen, Noah Con Noah Con Love Noah Con
Speaker 4: And I know you went to go see him in concert.
Speaker 2: I did. He's great.
Speaker 1: It was a very different experience because I was for
Speaker 1: that one, I was like back row, bench seats, and
Speaker 1: for Death Cab, I was like second row. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: so that does make a difference. But Noah was He's
Speaker 1: pretty awesome.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 4: So when I saw the documentary and you and I
Speaker 4: talked about him, and we talked about the fact that
Speaker 4: you were going to see him, or that you went
Speaker 4: to see him, and.
Speaker 3: I think I put out there. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I heard he's kind of a dick, which I'm so wrong.
Speaker 3: Like I watched the documentary and I'm.
Speaker 4: Like, he is so great. He's really great great. He
Speaker 4: talks a lot about like mental health stuff. He got
Speaker 4: famous very quickly, and he's so like you would love
Speaker 4: this documentary because he talks a lot about how like
Speaker 4: this for his album, the first album came out, I
Speaker 4: think it was kind of his first thing came out
Speaker 4: during the Sticks. Yeah, and anyway, but he that album
Speaker 4: did like so well, he got like really famous and
Speaker 4: all this this huge following and then and he had
Speaker 4: kind of a meltdown about like how am I going
Speaker 4: to do another thing? Like what what the like, he
Speaker 4: couldn't write. He just got like very depressed and he
Speaker 4: felt really pressured and like and he has he has
Speaker 4: like body dysmorphia, which yeah, is going to lead us
Speaker 4: into our topic today.
Speaker 3: But he was like really honest about it.
Speaker 4: He's you know, kind of like people don't really talk
Speaker 4: about this, but you know, you know he feels fat
Speaker 4: and like right.
Speaker 2: And he's like and people tear him apart.
Speaker 1: And I love his religious story that he's half Jewish
Speaker 1: half Muslim. I think that's really interesting and cool, and
Speaker 1: he talks about it. I think that, you know, he's
Speaker 1: like really like he's so thoughtful, very thoughtful, and his parents.
Speaker 1: He really talks about sobriety and and his anxiety, and I.
Speaker 2: Mean, yeah, he's pretty I don't think he's sober.
Speaker 1: He might not be sober, but he sings a lot
Speaker 1: about like he has an entire song about Xanax. He
Speaker 1: does okay, like he does talk about like his his
Speaker 1: stuff and maybe maybe drinking too much or not drinking
Speaker 1: whatever it is. I don't know if he's actually sober,
Speaker 1: but he does not drink if you're like not drinking enough.
Speaker 4: You know, he talks about how he was just really
Speaker 4: is trying to drink more alcohol.
Speaker 2: And so one and done, one and done, and everybody
Speaker 2: hates me.
Speaker 1: By the way, last night though I was not one
Speaker 1: and done. I had my you know, the Marguerite is
Speaker 1: at the Greek You might not know this, but they're
Speaker 1: very tiny. They're just the tiniest little things for so
Speaker 1: they're so expensive and it's like two golds.
Speaker 2: And my friend that I went with usually we both.
Speaker 1: Have at least two, but he had gone to a
Speaker 1: concert the night before so he was a little wrecked,
Speaker 1: and I was like.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm ready to go. I haven't seen a single
Speaker 2: human being in a week. Let's go.
Speaker 1: I need to go out. Mama needs to shake it off.
Speaker 1: I had my one little drink and then I had
Speaker 1: a second. I really didn't feel it. This was over
Speaker 1: five hour, four hours early. As you know, he likes
Speaker 1: that too, and we want to have a little picnic.
Speaker 1: So by the time I was sort of like in
Speaker 1: between the opening and the and death cat, I was.
Speaker 2: Like, I want a third one, but if you one,
Speaker 2: so maybe I should.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: I didn't, so I didn't because of the company. But
Speaker 1: had I been with someone else that was having another one,
Speaker 1: I would have.
Speaker 2: Do I need to look at that? Oh?
Speaker 4: This becomes three drinks over and seeing it At first
Speaker 4: I was joking.
Speaker 1: Then I'm like, wait a minute, no, that's crazy, not
Speaker 1: that crazy. Three is a lot for a woman my age,
Speaker 1: but just as a little lady. I am a little
Speaker 1: lady and I shouldn't be. But it was one of
Speaker 1: those things. I was like, they're so small. They don't really.
Speaker 4: Cows small there, you know, because that's how they get you.
Speaker 4: I know, they just give you a few drops yes,
Speaker 4: and then they're like, of course you're going to want
Speaker 4: another one, and of course you're going to feel like
Speaker 4: an alcoholic, right, But I didn't.
Speaker 1: And anyway, let's get to let's get to our thing.
Speaker 1: I'm glad that you brought us into it. We are
Speaker 1: talking about Ariana Grande today, and we should give you
Speaker 1: a trigger warning that you know, we are going to
Speaker 1: talk about some serious stuff that part isn't.
Speaker 2: Or we should just give you a heads up that
Speaker 2: we are. Don't worry.
Speaker 1: We're not going to like tear her apart like we
Speaker 1: would never We're not putting her down. We are just
Speaker 1: talking about what people are talking about. Yeah, is that
Speaker 1: a fair way to say it? I think I think
Speaker 1: we're of course not putting her down.
Speaker 4: We're just talking about the fact that, like this is
Speaker 4: a serious subject and it's crazy.
Speaker 3: It's crazy to us.
Speaker 4: And then here we are, we're going to do it
Speaker 4: that people care about other people's like bodies. But at
Speaker 4: the same time, like we should be able to discuss
Speaker 4: the fact that when somebody seems like it's not going great,
Speaker 4: we also shouldn't have to not talk about that because
Speaker 4: of some.
Speaker 2: Like right body image thing where we're not try. It's
Speaker 2: a it's a slippery.
Speaker 1: It's a fine line because we don't you don't want
Speaker 1: to comment on people's bodies because and we try to
Speaker 1: steer clear of that, no matter who it is we're
Speaker 1: talking about, even if we don't like them, you know,
Speaker 1: we don't do that. But when it becomes like maybe
Speaker 1: that person's in danger and or and in this case,
Speaker 1: is how I feel. When this person is a role
Speaker 1: model to so many young girls, it is dangerous. Yes,
Speaker 1: if they're dysmorphia or whatever it is, we're calling it
Speaker 1: DYSMORPHI I don't know what it is. She may not
Speaker 1: have dysmorphia, but whatever's going on there, I think it's
Speaker 1: important to talk about it. No, it's none of our business,
Speaker 1: but then again, it's not her business how we feel
Speaker 1: about it or what we think.
Speaker 3: You know, I do know.
Speaker 4: I think I know you're saying, let's just let's get
Speaker 4: into the story and then we can decide like what
Speaker 4: we want.
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean I have I'm not going to step
Speaker 1: back from what I want to say because I was
Speaker 1: thinking back to when let's say I was twelve. I
Speaker 1: happened to be in the eighties at that time, right
Speaker 1: like mid eighties.
Speaker 3: It just happened.
Speaker 2: So it's just the way I think shook out.
Speaker 1: I stumbled in, and I think I got really lucky
Speaker 1: even though I had my own even sorts were both
Speaker 1: going to talk about ours.
Speaker 2: But like, I got.
Speaker 1: Lucky because the role models were back in the eighties,
Speaker 1: the supermodels were like larger than they are now then,
Speaker 1: or than they were in the nineties.
Speaker 2: Remember it was like you. I mean, of course they
Speaker 2: were perfect and beautiful, but.
Speaker 1: They were more like size eights and tens than they
Speaker 1: were like zeros.
Speaker 3: Oh, Seattle.
Speaker 4: Maybe just because I was a little before you a
Speaker 4: few years.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: When I was in high school, being pretty stick skinny
Speaker 4: was the look, and I would have not that I
Speaker 4: had a bud in boombs in high school. I graduated
Speaker 4: in eighty four, so I would say, like eighty to
Speaker 4: eighty four. Yeah, the eighties was when I was in
Speaker 4: middle school, also already worried about my body and already dieting.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean I think that that's but like
Speaker 1: in the seventies, let's say, if you when you're in
Speaker 1: junior high a little earlier, like that's your twiggies and
Speaker 1: that you know, you still had I think a really
Speaker 1: thin thing. And I think something shifted at some point,
Speaker 1: and I think it does. I mean, and then it
Speaker 1: shifted back in the nineties with you know, heroin Chic, right,
Speaker 1: and this is and now we're at a place, so
Speaker 1: we'll tell you what's going on.
Speaker 2: I'm sure we sure, for sure, you know.
Speaker 1: But Ariana Grande, this is from People magazine is taking
Speaker 1: a step back from visibility after tour as public scrutiny intensifies.
Speaker 1: So that is this article on People. And so she
Speaker 1: is on a tour right now that she's finishing. I
Speaker 1: thought she was finishing. Then she was supposed to go
Speaker 1: to London and do a Sondheim musical, which people are
Speaker 1: really excited about, and she said no, And I think
Speaker 1: she should have said no anyway, whether this other like
Speaker 1: weight scrutiny was going on either. I think she's just
Speaker 1: absolutely exhausted. You can't, no human being can go at
Speaker 1: the rate that she's going.
Speaker 4: But let me let me say this even before we
Speaker 4: get into more of the story, Like, I am shocked
Speaker 4: that this is just now getting talked about because when
Speaker 4: she was doing Wicked, when Wicked was out, she was
Speaker 4: doing promotional stuff. I remember thinking like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: she's so sickly looking. She's so skinny. I mean she
Speaker 4: looked like a skeleton.
Speaker 2: Then, and now it's like, are people just now waking
Speaker 2: up to that.
Speaker 1: No, people were the Wicked people, the people that were
Speaker 1: like obsessed with the movie got so weirdly protective as
Speaker 1: they continue to be like you can't. It's like the
Speaker 1: thing we talked about with like Lady Gaga or certain
Speaker 1: fans like you just couldn't, Like you come for Wicked,
Speaker 1: You're coming for every theater kid, They're gonna they'll destroy you.
Speaker 4: But that's what I don't understand is like how it
Speaker 4: how it is coming for somebody when you're like, oh
Speaker 4: my god, she doesn't look well, she like you look
Speaker 4: her wrists are so teeny tiny, her arms were so small,
Speaker 4: her shoulders.
Speaker 2: Like in all the bones.
Speaker 3: It was so scary.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, it's no, it's way.
Speaker 1: I think now the reason it's coming to light finally
Speaker 1: is because I maybe the Wicked you don't have the
Speaker 1: pr teams protecting.
Speaker 2: Her in the same way that we had on Wicked,
Speaker 2: and she got smaller. So now people you just can't.
Speaker 1: So okay, So she had her eternal sunshine tour that
Speaker 1: wraps in London September. First, you know that she's only
Speaker 1: thirty three years old. My goodness, I didn't know she was. Wow,
Speaker 1: she's lived, she's has a lot of loves. Well, she's
Speaker 1: been around for so long. She's like, you know, she
Speaker 1: was just a child star. She came from that old
Speaker 1: and so she's stepping away a miskip all that. So,
Speaker 1: a spokesperson for her tells people she will be taking
Speaker 1: a step back from visibility after she completes the tour.
Speaker 1: She's looking forward to finishing the tour and ending it
Speaker 1: on a high note, both healthily and happily, and then
Speaker 1: taking a much deserved break from public facing work and appearances,
Speaker 1: which has led to endless ongoing public scrutiny. There has
Speaker 1: been a beautiful experience for her. She loves her fans
Speaker 1: and has loved every minute. Okay, that's fine. So somebody
Speaker 1: I'd said something to somebody and they were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: her show is so physical, like she's always she's doing
Speaker 1: like pink moves, Like it's very athletic her show, running
Speaker 1: around and stuff. It's like, okay, well, how is that
Speaker 1: an excuse? I mean, okay, well he will no longer be.
Speaker 4: Pink is not stick skinny, So I don't know how
Speaker 4: that's like, how that has anything to do with anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm not even like she's working as hard
Speaker 2: as Pink.
Speaker 4: Okay, well Pink looks totally normal, so uh, you know, right,
Speaker 4: so she was already looking like that.
Speaker 3: When she did when she did Wicked. So I just
Speaker 3: don't you know, And why are we making excuses? Why?
Speaker 4: Like this is what's so annoying? Is like, let's why
Speaker 4: can't she just say yes, I'm struggling.
Speaker 1: Well, this is what's happening. So she Okay, So she
Speaker 1: has a music video that came out. This is when
Speaker 1: people really started talking called for her latest single called Pedal, right,
Speaker 1: and this is where people are like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: and I felt.
Speaker 2: The same way. I can't tell anymore. What's ai though,
Speaker 2: and what's real? Are you having this issue with her too?
Speaker 1: Because like people will post a very disturbing photo that
Speaker 1: it's like, well, there's no freaking way that's real. There's
Speaker 1: no way that that many bones or so I think
Speaker 1: some people are aieing it a little to make it
Speaker 1: even worse. To be fair, I do think there's an
Speaker 1: issue here, but I'm just saying I can't tell what
Speaker 1: photos are real and what's not, you know, because the
Speaker 1: PR people are sending People Magazine photos where she looks then,
Speaker 1: but it's not like as you know whatever. So she
Speaker 1: has hit back at commentary surrounding her body on various occasions,
Speaker 1: and one of them is this is a while back.
Speaker 1: In her song Yes and for twenty twenty four album,
Speaker 1: which is what she's I guess on two or four
Speaker 1: Eternal Sunshine, she sings at one point, my face is sitting.
Speaker 2: I don't need no disguise. I don't have to talk
Speaker 2: like that either, though.
Speaker 1: Don't comment on my body, Do not reply. Your business
Speaker 1: is yours and mine is mine. So she's well aware
Speaker 1: for quite some time. And then as for her new album, Pedal,
Speaker 1: the Insider says, this album is a fight song and
Speaker 1: anthem about the love hate relationtionship with the public and
Speaker 1: their toxicity. This album is not about a romantic partner
Speaker 1: or a breakup in any way.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: I mean it goes on and on, but we are
Speaker 1: we know the gist of it. And then the story
Speaker 1: that they have in People Magazine. There's a photo and
Speaker 1: I mean, my god, it's it's disturbing to say the
Speaker 1: least in my opinion.
Speaker 4: Right, and there's been some commentary around the fact that
Speaker 4: like we haven't come that far since Karen Carpenter died
Speaker 4: of anorexia at also a young age, and you know,
Speaker 4: like people are starting to go like, hey, we're we
Speaker 4: should be allowed to talk about this and discuss it.
Speaker 2: So that's that's right, I mean.
Speaker 1: And then Kelly, the same thing happened with Kelly Osbourne
Speaker 1: where I think that was really sad. I think I
Speaker 1: think that was a situation where she seemed like she
Speaker 1: had gone on something to lose. I didn't like it
Speaker 1: yet and it wasn't you know, it was too much
Speaker 1: whatever happened there and then and she kept saying, no,
Speaker 1: it's the grief of losing my dad, which we all understand,
Speaker 1: like nobody was. I think that's what people don't understand,
Speaker 1: Like nobody's mocking your grief.
Speaker 4: And that's just not true that that's what it was. Like,
Speaker 4: that's just not true because her mom they both went
Speaker 4: on it, and she has struggled with like her weight
Speaker 4: or whatever, you know, she feels.
Speaker 3: Like she has. So that's just see that that's fucked up.
Speaker 3: But I'm gonna just.
Speaker 2: Say that I think it's fucked.
Speaker 3: Up to go.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, I'm not too exactly. It's like, no,
Speaker 4: I feel great. I feel really great about how I look.
Speaker 3: And you know what's her name? The mom, you know
Speaker 3: what's her Saren?
Speaker 4: Sharon Osborne was like also going like, oh my god, yes,
Speaker 4: so so you know, I do think I got like
Speaker 4: a little bit too skinny, but like I feel like fantastic,
Speaker 4: and yeah I went on this and and I'm just
Speaker 4: naturally like that's just that's it. She tried to make
Speaker 4: it seem like it was just really natural.
Speaker 2: That she just happened Triana. It kind of is.
Speaker 1: Although, so I looked back at her younger years and
Speaker 1: she had more you know, we were all had little
Speaker 1: like babyfaces, right, so she had more body weight on
Speaker 1: her when she was like sixteen to twenty five, you
Speaker 1: know whatever, like we all did. I look back, I'm
Speaker 1: so surprised at my twenty five year old self, Like
Speaker 1: it just your body does.
Speaker 2: Change a little bit.
Speaker 1: But to be fair, Arianna and Kelly are different because
Speaker 1: she's really tiny anyway, Like she's a very small boned
Speaker 1: Ariana Grande. So there's a fine line. But what people
Speaker 1: are talking about in the reddit is what I find
Speaker 1: more interesting. They're talking specifically about this music video, which
Speaker 1: is what's gotten people finally talking okay, And some people
Speaker 1: are saying that that she's playing up her for lack
Speaker 1: of a better word, I'm gonna call it anarexia, but
Speaker 1: I am not. I'm not doctor Phil. What if I'm
Speaker 1: not a middle doctor? I mean I am. I have
Speaker 1: a sexy mustache. I'm not doctor Phil.
Speaker 4: I don't have the ability to, like, you know, do surgery.
Speaker 1: Sir, do surgery, heart surgery, rain otherwise, but I mean, okay,
Speaker 1: for her eating disorder.
Speaker 2: Some people are saying she's playing it up.
Speaker 1: So somebody wrote the worst part of the video is
Speaker 1: when she tries to act all cute and sexy and
Speaker 1: she's so skeletal, but it comes off extremely off putting
Speaker 1: and bizarre. The whole video is quite something, to be fair,
Speaker 1: I haven't even I can't watch it. I've only seen stills.
Speaker 4: You can't watch it, like you can't stop it watch it,
Speaker 4: or you don't have access to it.
Speaker 2: Oh, I can watch it. I have Wi Fi.
Speaker 1: I just I just don't want to seah, And let
Speaker 1: me ask you this though, Okay, here's an interesting question.
Speaker 1: We have so much to get into. It does not
Speaker 1: bother me at all. I do not feel like when
Speaker 1: I see let's say Lizo, like back in the day
Speaker 1: when Lizo is like playing the flute and shore shorts,
Speaker 1: I'm like, hell.
Speaker 2: Girl, get it. I really didn't.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like, it wasn't something where I had to
Speaker 1: look away. Now do I think that maybe you can
Speaker 1: get to a point where people should your doctors or
Speaker 1: people close to you should be like you are one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty pounds of ever, wait, you're gonna you know,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have these issues, and you should start to
Speaker 1: look at them.
Speaker 2: I think that's between you and your doctor.
Speaker 1: But for some reason, when I look at that, I'm like, hey,
Speaker 1: you look hot.
Speaker 2: I mean, do you know what I'm saying? It's weird.
Speaker 1: But when I look at someone who's like where their
Speaker 1: bones are sticking out of their back, I really can't
Speaker 1: look at it. And I don't say that like to
Speaker 1: put them down. I don't know why. One thing for
Speaker 1: me is like in my mind like I don't mind look,
Speaker 1: do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 4: I do know what you're saying. I think part like
Speaker 4: part of it is that I think we both would
Speaker 4: have a reaction, and I think many people do because
Speaker 4: I don't know. I just think that sometimes when people
Speaker 4: are overweight, some people would make like judgments about that, right,
Speaker 4: That's that's what the skinny culture is. So I think
Speaker 4: it's like kind of a fighting against that. And then
Speaker 4: it's painful when you see people that are just so skinny,
Speaker 4: because it's sad.
Speaker 3: It's sad in a way.
Speaker 4: Seeing somebody like have acceptance about their body and feel
Speaker 4: good about themselves is a good thing, and I think
Speaker 4: that's why it's easier to be like, okay, girl, good
Speaker 4: for you, you know, And when somebody is so so
Speaker 4: scarily thin, you're like, oh no, maybe like you.
Speaker 1: Don't have to be that, you don't even just it's
Speaker 1: not that though. It's not just you go girl, go
Speaker 1: own it. Hell yeah, it's that. But also like I
Speaker 1: just look at it and I'm like, wow, that looks
Speaker 1: pretty cool. I mean, you know, it doesn't for lack
Speaker 1: of better, It just doesn't gross me out, whereas like
Speaker 1: it really freaks me out when I see like someone
Speaker 1: who's eighty five pounds.
Speaker 4: You don't think it it on some level figgers something
Speaker 4: that's like maybe it's like, oh, I know, I know
Speaker 4: I had at some point would have been like so
Speaker 4: happy to be so so super skinny.
Speaker 2: And felt pressure to be that.
Speaker 1: I remember after my heart surgery, I got really pretty skinny.
Speaker 1: I was under a hundred, you know, I was pretty skinny,
Speaker 1: and people would say, like, you need to can't. Everyone
Speaker 1: would say those kind of things to me, and I
Speaker 1: totally loved it, totally loved it. I'm right, that's the
Speaker 1: nicest thing you can say, Oh I look sick, thank
Speaker 1: you like you love it. And yes, I definitely had
Speaker 1: once suffered from anorexia. I mean, I think I'll always
Speaker 1: have disordered thinking when it comes to wait a little
Speaker 1: bit right, And I know that you've you've.
Speaker 2: Had that too, But so it's and we should talk
Speaker 2: about that.
Speaker 1: But so people are saying, I mean, there's so many
Speaker 1: This just went up on Reddit and so many people
Speaker 1: are talking about it right now, just at this moment.
Speaker 1: And someone said, I don't want to be that guy,
Speaker 1: but I guess you could say I get a little
Speaker 1: quote unquote triggered about this sort of thing when I
Speaker 1: see it. Anyway, I'm hesitant to look up the video.
Speaker 1: What happens in the video. So someone I did not
Speaker 1: write that. Someone said the same thing. Okay, oh there's
Speaker 1: so many So someone wrote and people are still saying
Speaker 1: that's her natural figure. She said that, she said this
Speaker 1: is the healthiest she's ever been, so it must be true.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's what's so crazy though, That's what's that's
Speaker 4: what bothers me. That's where I feel like we have
Speaker 4: to talk about that because when people are like like
Speaker 4: Kelly Osborne and like her mom going like, oh just
Speaker 4: happened to like, yes, I went on some weight loss
Speaker 4: drugs and I just went a little bit too far
Speaker 4: and I don't want to be like too skinny. And
Speaker 4: it's like Sharon Osborne also looked like she weighed under
Speaker 4: one hundred pounds.
Speaker 3: I have I have read.
Speaker 4: I remember hearing understanding that one of the things you
Speaker 4: don't say to somebody who's anorexic or has like you know,
Speaker 4: has an eating disorder like that is skinny.
Speaker 2: You don't say that.
Speaker 4: You don't say you look too skinny, because that's like
Speaker 4: they love it. No, yeah, yeah, like you said, like
Speaker 4: you're not going to help somebody by going I'm sorry,
Speaker 4: I'm scared for you.
Speaker 3: You look too skinny.
Speaker 1: They're going to go like, yes, you know, one person
Speaker 1: said exactly what you're saying here.
Speaker 2: This is on Reddit.
Speaker 1: Her her fans keep saying that we're bullying her, But
Speaker 1: I actually think people have been too nice about it,
Speaker 1: which is what you said, sort of. It's been going
Speaker 1: on for years now, but no one dared say a
Speaker 1: thing because it was labeled as body shaming. Yes, she
Speaker 1: only started speaking of it when she literally is nothing
Speaker 1: but skin and bones, which some says she's playing up
Speaker 1: for the video, which is I guess my point to
Speaker 1: say is do we even know she's that that skinny?
Speaker 1: Like as she's making a look in the video? Is
Speaker 1: she doing that to get people to talk? No, can't
Speaker 1: be that guy saw her? I think so that's crazy. No.
Speaker 4: I think she's been getting skinnier and skinnier, and now
Speaker 4: it's hit like you know, critical mass, and people are
Speaker 4: concerned where they're genuinely worried because people do love her.
Speaker 4: She's so talented, you know. I also think, ugh, this
Speaker 4: has nothing to do with her body, But I just
Speaker 4: think that there's something with her and the relationships that
Speaker 4: is this seeking of major validation, you know, which gets
Speaker 4: into stuff about like, you know, having an eating disorder
Speaker 4: and wanting to have like control over it's all. It
Speaker 4: all feels a little in a related you know, like
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, she totally ull someone's husband basically,
Speaker 4: and then that was probably a pressure, a pressure of like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, now this relationship has to work out.
Speaker 3: I mean her, Yes, her public.
Speaker 4: Persona has been under a lot of scrutiny. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: mean for sure. But I read somewhere and this is
Speaker 4: I don't get.
Speaker 2: This at all.
Speaker 1: And I know people hate that we bring it up
Speaker 1: all the time, but we're both fascinated with the disorder.
Speaker 1: But someone said she reads as having maybe borderline for
Speaker 1: her like big decisions.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't get that from her, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know what I would get, but I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't really see. Yeah, she might be impulsive, but
Speaker 1: I mean she's a you know, celebrity. She dates a
Speaker 1: bunch of people. Some of them are Pete Davidson, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of like I don't read I
Speaker 1: don't see that.
Speaker 2: But I saw that also on a Reddit thread, and I.
Speaker 1: Just want to read you one more thing on this
Speaker 1: pot You had another thing to talk about the other
Speaker 1: person said, this is really trigger on this one, but
Speaker 1: they said, she looks to be the same size as
Speaker 1: my mom when she died of anarexia at seventy one pounds.
Speaker 1: Not an easy recovery on the body, which is something
Speaker 1: else to talk about, because you know she doesn't and
Speaker 1: hopefully that's what she's doing by taking this break, and
Speaker 1: people are around surrounding her like you would anyone that
Speaker 1: was in trouble and saying, all right, your organs are
Speaker 1: going to go into failure at some point, because when
Speaker 1: you get to a certain point, like it's whatever and
Speaker 1: you can recover, it's not like a point of no return.
Speaker 2: She can recover.
Speaker 4: Well, I read a story about Karen Carpenter and it
Speaker 4: said that like even she was trying to get help
Speaker 4: at the end, but the damage had already been done
Speaker 4: to her heart.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: You know, you damage your organs when you It puts
Speaker 4: a lot of stress on your heart.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, And so she died.
Speaker 4: She'd already put back on some weight and she still died.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: And that's really scary.
Speaker 4: So the idea, oh my god, we shouldn't say anything,
Speaker 4: because that's like shaming, is bullshit.
Speaker 3: We should be saying something.
Speaker 1: This person said. It reminds me of this one woman
Speaker 1: that came across my TikTok algorithm. She's a pilates instructor.
Speaker 1: She's obviously severely underweight. There's photos she's severely underweight. People
Speaker 1: in the comments run to her aid to say that
Speaker 1: she's obviously healthy and fit because she's constantly exercising, which, like, guys,
Speaker 1: this is what they wrote.
Speaker 2: That is also a form of anorexia.
Speaker 3: Yes, exercise for me.
Speaker 2: I didn't have as you might have met. Well, actually
Speaker 2: I kind of did.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about our own things now, because if we're
Speaker 1: talking about them, we should talk about it.
Speaker 2: But when I was in like seventh.
Speaker 1: Grade, I count of calories so hard that I counted
Speaker 1: toothpaste even though I was spitting it out, it was
Speaker 1: counted as calories.
Speaker 2: Why I was not.
Speaker 1: I did not allow myself more than four hundred calories
Speaker 1: I think a day.
Speaker 2: I was under ninety pounds.
Speaker 1: I had a mother that was still forcing me to
Speaker 1: go to dance class after school, like had to go
Speaker 1: to dance class. Didn't ever say never got from her
Speaker 1: like never once like ooh, you know, I'm worried it
Speaker 1: was like looking good, let's go shopping. Which I'm not
Speaker 1: even blaming her because she was a dancer. That is
Speaker 1: how she That was her mindset. She did not know better.
Speaker 1: It is how she sees the world still. And the
Speaker 1: only way that I recovered was graduating from high school
Speaker 1: and moving out.
Speaker 2: That is how I recovered. I also gained weight in
Speaker 2: high school, like I.
Speaker 1: Went through you know, I went through or I got
Speaker 1: my boobs and stuff, and then there was just like
Speaker 1: nothing I could do at a certain point.
Speaker 2: But I always felt bad.
Speaker 1: We had to keep these like journals senior year in
Speaker 1: high school, and all of my journals were counting calories
Speaker 1: apples like diet. It was diet coke and apples, I mean,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't really working, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I was not overweight, but it.
Speaker 2: Was like normal, and I just hated myself.
Speaker 1: And then when I when I left for college, I
Speaker 1: just like like somehow was set free for the most part.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know so, and I know for you
Speaker 2: had like a different.
Speaker 4: I had bolamia, but yeah, so, but I also really
Speaker 4: dieted hard. But you know, I just loved to eat,
Speaker 4: so it was like binging. And then it became binging
Speaker 4: and purging because I couldn't not do the binging part.
Speaker 4: But oh yeah, I was doing like going on dexatrim.
Speaker 4: I was, you know, trying diet pills. I was doing everything.
Speaker 4: And I was like never fat, like that's the thing.
Speaker 3: I was never.
Speaker 4: I mean I thought I was. I'm not saying that
Speaker 4: I had the reverse like I wasn't like super skinny,
Speaker 4: but you know, I was wearing like a normal size jeans.
Speaker 2: I was not even normal just to just just regular.
Speaker 3: I was a regular person.
Speaker 4: And I also had big boobs and I have a
Speaker 4: big butt and big hips. So that's just was my body.
Speaker 4: And so I was trying to force myself into having
Speaker 4: like a boy's body, like no hips, like no butt,
Speaker 4: and I was never going to change my body's shape.
Speaker 4: But I that's all I thought about. All I thought about,
Speaker 4: and it's so common.
Speaker 1: I think I think it's not you know, especially coming
Speaker 1: from like creative background, anybody that was like on state.
Speaker 1: There's something to that too, which kind of comes back
Speaker 1: to the ariana thing, which is what you're saying, validation
Speaker 1: from whoever wherever it started.
Speaker 2: Whether it's like from men from boys.
Speaker 1: For me, it was from obviously my mother, not to
Speaker 1: get all Freudian, but clearly, but it wasn't even.
Speaker 2: Just a validation.
Speaker 1: It was like being told all the time that this
Speaker 1: is the only way, like right, but now the.
Speaker 4: Time is times have changed, you know, so this is
Speaker 4: the weird thing. It's like, I think anorexia is well
Speaker 4: now we have like weight loss drugs, which can really
Speaker 4: be of help for people, but as I'm gonna tell
Speaker 4: you in another story, it can also be triggering to
Speaker 4: people who have dealt with body their you know, body issues.
Speaker 4: And then like I guess the point I'm trying to
Speaker 4: make is we're in a time where it is so
Speaker 4: much more acceptable, like there's a lot more body positivity
Speaker 4: mm hmm, yes, And so I think it really stands
Speaker 4: out when people are you know, very very very skinny
Speaker 4: and being unhealthy, because I think some people feel like,
Speaker 4: well why are you doing that? Like what you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, like we're we're we should be past that.
Speaker 4: And I just think that it's.
Speaker 2: Like it's like it's an addiction, and it becomes like a.
Speaker 4: Exactly a control addiction. So if she's not feeling any control,
Speaker 4: it's like, well I cannot eat one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Somebody told me once and this is totally random, so
Speaker 1: do not come at me, but it just was so
Speaker 1: interesting to me, and it doesn't necessarily even connect to you.
Speaker 1: But someone told me that if you the women or
Speaker 1: girls who tended towards anorexia mother issues and the women
Speaker 1: girls who tended towards bolimia had more of dad issues.
Speaker 1: I did ask a lot of people and it did
Speaker 1: kind of pan out a little bit, like I thought
Speaker 1: that was kind of interesting. I don't know, of course,
Speaker 1: that's not true for everybody, obviously, that's just like.
Speaker 2: Some that kind of was like, well, it makes sense
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 4: We could set up some sort of like Cosmo quiz,
Speaker 4: Cosmo like quiz to figure out like what kind of
Speaker 4: eating disorder, like do you tend to more?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: What do you have? What color? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What kind of What color is your heart? That I
Speaker 1: thought would be funny on BuzzFeed What color is your heart? Hmm?
Speaker 2: I did tell you that. Okay, a little off.
Speaker 1: Base in the and we can wrap this up because
Speaker 1: we have other stuff to talk about at some point,
Speaker 1: not on this episode, but.
Speaker 2: In high school. Speaking of high school.
Speaker 1: A young girl, I mean we were like fourteen at
Speaker 1: the time she claimed that she could clean, she could
Speaker 1: cleanse our auras. Yeah, let me remind you I did
Speaker 1: go to a performing arts high school if that in
Speaker 1: any way helps.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Aura, right now, I have her a dollar, so
Speaker 2: for a dollar.
Speaker 1: So she gets to me. She's doing everybody and she
Speaker 1: gets to me and she's like and it was so
Speaker 1: I was so like, come on, what's wrong with my
Speaker 1: fucking Aura? And she's like, it's just so dark? Like
Speaker 1: what what color?
Speaker 4: She like?
Speaker 2: It's just like very very very dark blue.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, all right, well, what's wrong with that?
Speaker 1: And I looked it up and it's fine. It just
Speaker 1: means it's just someone who uses their voice a lot.
Speaker 1: I think I was trying to say I talk a lot.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it meant honestly to this day.
Speaker 1: But she cleansed it, so I'm good anyway.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have one other thing but which I may
Speaker 4: not get to. But but this is just to sort
Speaker 4: of come back wrap up the Ariana thing. So this
Speaker 4: article just says it's annoying. It says Ariana Grande's plans
Speaker 4: for hiatus revealed after decision to step away. So here's
Speaker 4: her plans for her hiatus, she plans to be to
Speaker 4: step away and be surrounded by the people closest to her,
Speaker 4: including boyfriend Ricky Alvarez. Listen, this is the last fucking
Speaker 4: thing she needs. Is like, you just brote Okay, you
Speaker 4: ended this guy's marriage, and I'm not saying, well, it
Speaker 4: is her fault he ended his marriage. I was just
Speaker 4: going to say he ended his own marriage. So like fuck,
Speaker 4: that guy left his three year old child to be
Speaker 4: with Ariana, who he had to have known was going
Speaker 4: to tire of him after a short time because that's
Speaker 4: what she does. And now he's with this She's with
Speaker 4: this new guy who is like so that's that's going
Speaker 4: to be her focus. It literally says she'll be spending
Speaker 4: a lot of time with her family, friends, and Ricky
Speaker 4: between touring, rehearsals, and her other work commitments. She and
Speaker 4: Ricky haven't been able to spend as much time together
Speaker 4: as she would have liked over the past few months,
Speaker 4: so she's looking forward to having more uninterrupted time with Ricky.
Speaker 4: The insider said, like, this is not healthy.
Speaker 1: I wonder if she feels like maybe she knows, and
Speaker 1: she's sort of in that it's not your business.
Speaker 2: Let me all work on it.
Speaker 1: I hear you kind of thing, because it is such
Speaker 1: a tricky thing, like to talk about people's bodies. It's
Speaker 1: so difficult because, like you said, you can't if you're
Speaker 1: in that mindset and you're having issues with that, then
Speaker 1: this is not going to help for her to be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm too skinny, watch this bitch, you know, right right.
Speaker 1: There's another article on Fierce something called Fierce dog com
Speaker 1: called behind the Scrutiny of Ariana Grande's body is a
Speaker 1: history that predates Hollywood. So are they going to try
Speaker 1: to go that way too? She's considered one of the
Speaker 1: most talented voices, like Whitney Houston.
Speaker 2: It just names people blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: It says she's the latest victim of a violent pattern
Speaker 1: we know too well. Once a woman reaches a certain
Speaker 1: level of success and public attention, her body becomes the
Speaker 1: target of public comment to the point of losing autonomy
Speaker 1: over the flesh she in habits.
Speaker 3: Now, I kind of agree with that in a way.
Speaker 3: You're going to be surprised.
Speaker 4: I do think it is a lot that and it's
Speaker 4: especially with women, like we do get very concerned with
Speaker 4: women being too thin, too fat to this to that, Like,
Speaker 4: you know, there is a lot of scrutiny, but I
Speaker 4: think when we see pictures of Ariana Grande and you
Speaker 4: can see her skeleton, it's normal for us to be like,
Speaker 4: oh shit, she could die.
Speaker 1: But that's crazy. The way this is written is crazy
Speaker 1: unless I'm missreading it. They put in Karen Carpenter.
Speaker 2: They're right.
Speaker 1: Karen Carpenter died in eighty three from partiac arrest caused
Speaker 1: by anorexia, thirty two years old, and her illness had
Speaker 1: been unfolding in public for years, visible in photographs and
Speaker 1: performances and interviews, while the people watched did not see
Speaker 1: it for what it was or chose not to. Since then,
Speaker 1: countless women have been ruthfully, ruthlessly scrutinized by the media.
Speaker 1: Wait are you Are you daring to write both of
Speaker 1: those things in one paragraph? Written by Ai? This must
Speaker 1: be AI. That makes no sense. No, So people are
Speaker 1: looking at you, guys. We don't want this to happen,
Speaker 1: right right.
Speaker 4: They're saying, like, let's let's not allow women's desire to
Speaker 4: be thin so much that they'll, like, they'll end up
Speaker 4: dying from it, and that we just are too scared
Speaker 4: to say like, hey, that's terrible.
Speaker 2: A this is insane.
Speaker 1: One of the sub headlines is the racist roots behind
Speaker 1: the obsession with Thinness. Wait, is this like a pro
Speaker 1: white Have I stumbled upon some weird what?
Speaker 2: Oh? This is really weird?
Speaker 3: Are you an a cult?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 2: Did I propaganda and I write this? Did I pitch
Speaker 2: this to Upworthy advance?
Speaker 1: It says now that we've made clear none of the
Speaker 1: comments towards Grande's body have anything to do with concern.
Speaker 2: Oh, we made that clear.
Speaker 1: None of us are genuinely concerned. We're just trying to
Speaker 1: bring down a woman. Let's talk about another for us
Speaker 1: pulling the conversation the obsession with Thinness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we know.
Speaker 1: That's what we're talking about. Oh my god, I don't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't even Oh wow, okay, I don't don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know where this is headed. But I reading
Speaker 1: that and yeah, it's all over. It's on CNN. I
Speaker 1: mean that's the headline on CNN from twelve hours ago.
Speaker 1: Ariana's Grande's body is in the news again. It's almost
Speaker 1: like they're writing it like that too. They're saying, like,
Speaker 1: h here we go.
Speaker 2: We were alone.
Speaker 3: People they can't leave well enough alone.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's very bizarre and we should be
Speaker 4: we should flag that. And maybe obviously not for Ariano Grande,
Speaker 4: She's not going to listen to this, but for anybody listening, like,
Speaker 4: it doesn't look good. You don't need to be super skinny,
Speaker 4: and yes, I get it, Like I had gained some weight,
Speaker 4: wanted to lose weight. I've been on a gop. I
Speaker 4: went on one, I lost the weight. But you know what,
Speaker 4: because of my recovery from having an eating disorder when
Speaker 4: I was young, I was able to go like, Okay,
Speaker 4: I don't I'm never going to change my body and
Speaker 4: who I don't need to do that for anybody. I
Speaker 4: just wanted to be able to fit into my clothes.
Speaker 4: I feel fine now, I'm done, end of story. Now
Speaker 4: a lot of people can't do that, and that's really hard.
Speaker 4: And you know, eating it's a whole thing, and that's
Speaker 4: a whole different conversation about mental.
Speaker 2: Health, and we've all been there.
Speaker 1: So probably I would say I would honestly guess that
Speaker 1: seventy five percent of the women listening to the show
Speaker 1: right now have experienced what we've been talking about. Either
Speaker 1: when they were younger or in their heads where yea,
Speaker 1: you know, I would bet that it might even be
Speaker 1: higher than that. And like we're not even saying like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's something wrong with you if you want to diet
Speaker 1: and lose weight. I'm I mean, it's such a it's
Speaker 1: such a fine line. It's so hard to talk about
Speaker 1: without feeling like in any way anybody should feel shame
Speaker 1: for anything to do with their body.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we don't want another Karen Carpenter. We're looking
Speaker 2: at this.
Speaker 1: It's really hard to see, and we're just talking about
Speaker 1: it because I think it's healthy to talk about because it's.
Speaker 2: Happening that and go, yeah, it's happening before.
Speaker 3: Our eyes, right, and we're not going to just sit
Speaker 3: here and go Before.
Speaker 1: The conversation came up with Demi Moore and I, I mean,
Speaker 1: I hadn't seen it because I don't really see that
Speaker 1: many photos of her, but someone showed me a thing
Speaker 1: and I was like, WHOA, she definitely has some dismort
Speaker 1: I would say that many surgeries that much. You know, again,
Speaker 1: it's her life. She's like brilliant, she can do whatever
Speaker 1: she wants. We're not ever saying otherwise. But it's like
Speaker 1: hmm hmm. It's it was weird coming off like the
Speaker 1: substance to start seeing that, right right, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot.
Speaker 4: Listen, work needs to be done, and I think what
Speaker 4: you're hearing is me and Cecily doing it.
Speaker 3: We're doing the work.
Speaker 2: We're doing the work for you.
Speaker 1: You don't have to you want to drop five pounds,
Speaker 1: drop five pounds, you want to gain five pounds, gain
Speaker 1: five pounds. That's all we're saying. That's it, and we're
Speaker 1: going we're gonna be. You're gonna beautiful either way. You
Speaker 1: can add zero in kind of that and you're still
Speaker 1: beautiful exactly. All right, Thanks guys, me okay, I love you,
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. More to come, This will probably continue. Yeah, okay, bye,