Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen.
Speaker 2: What What's gonna happen?
Speaker 3: What I help? On a Thursday night, we got a
Speaker 3: party going on over here, the col rejects, we got
Speaker 3: a bunch of people. We got the mad Scientists herself, Lisa.
Speaker 3: We got my favorite garbage can't do jj Vance, we
Speaker 3: got my boy Thrash. We got the spiritual gangster herself,
Speaker 3: the Catholic slash gnastic Teresa.
Speaker 4: And we also got uh.
Speaker 3: We got my boy magic Mike, you know, we can't
Speaker 3: forget him. And we got the one and only headless
Speaker 3: giant with us. I'm not gonna have all of them
Speaker 3: introduced themselves because there is way too many people here.
Speaker 3: If you want to get in touch with them or
Speaker 3: find their stuff, I'm sure their links are in the bottom.
Speaker 3: If not, I will edit after the fact. But tonight
Speaker 3: we do have back Julia from Cosmic Peach podcast. We're
Speaker 3: doing part two to Program to Kill just due to
Speaker 3: how it went last week. I'm taking this down probably
Speaker 3: after the live so if you're catching it now, good
Speaker 3: for you. I may not be up too long after
Speaker 3: the fact. Yes, we got to strike last week, so
Speaker 3: we don't want that to happen.
Speaker 1: Again.
Speaker 4: But Julia, thank you so much for coming back. We
Speaker 4: had a.
Speaker 3: Blest on the first episode. You know, we really had
Speaker 3: a good time and just a lot of a lot
Speaker 3: of stuff and a short amount of time and just
Speaker 3: you know, I'd be totally honest.
Speaker 4: It's even on your own series.
Speaker 3: I think it's packed with information and packed with stuff,
Speaker 3: so you alone, you know, I thought it was just great,
Speaker 3: but you know, bringing it to the occult rejs, you know.
Speaker 4: It was it was awesome to have you have all
Speaker 4: of us get in on it. But yeah, for real,
Speaker 4: it was a great time.
Speaker 5: I had time.
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, hell yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: And for real, for people who you know, may not
Speaker 3: have heard it, go check out her program to Kill series.
Speaker 3: It's definitely definitely very packed with information. I mean it'll
Speaker 3: even be making a laugh in some ways. I mean
Speaker 3: she had me cracking up on episode two, but it
Speaker 3: was it was actually a lot of info and it
Speaker 3: will say, the music in the background is very well done.
Speaker 4: I was impressed. So yeah, I was like, wow, this
Speaker 4: is pretty cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, so go check out the show. It's it's
Speaker 3: impressive stuff. But again, just in case all the new
Speaker 3: you know, the new listeners or whatever may not know
Speaker 3: who you are, Julie, I kind of give people an
Speaker 3: idea about like what you do your podcast and where
Speaker 3: they can find all your amazing work.
Speaker 1: Please.
Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks so much. So, like you said, I have
Speaker 5: Cosmic Peach podcasts. You could probably just throw it up
Speaker 5: into Google and find it somewhere where you listen to podcasts, Spotify, Apple, wherever.
Speaker 5: I don't have YouTube because it's like you said earlier,
Speaker 5: fuck them and they're always taking down my good shit.
Speaker 5: And I just kind of like when I when I
Speaker 5: get to start recording something, I don't want to have
Speaker 5: to censor myself or leave very important information out. So
Speaker 5: I just took myself off YouTube eventually because I just
Speaker 5: wanted to be able to record and say the things
Speaker 5: that I wanted to say. And luckily Apple and Spotify,
Speaker 5: maybe you know they're they're less censored, I guess. But
Speaker 5: I haven't gotten penalized or anything for posting shit over there.
Speaker 5: So and I do have a Patreon for bonus content
Speaker 5: and early access for all my episodes and stuff. And
Speaker 5: I actually just did a bonus episode with Colby from
Speaker 5: Conspiracy Playtime Time about Jeffrey Dahmer, and that's actually a
Speaker 5: really good episode. I'm going to touch on a few
Speaker 5: of the things that we covered in that episode today,
Speaker 5: so I'm really excited. But yeah, that's where you can
Speaker 5: find me. And we were kind of talking before we
Speaker 5: started recording, but I think the last time we all
Speaker 5: got together was banging. It was it was, you know,
Speaker 5: a group effort and everybody was kind of contributing shit,
Speaker 5: and I loved it.
Speaker 3: It was a lot of fun. And I'm expecting this
Speaker 3: one will be good. And I'm sure you know, sneak peek,
Speaker 3: I am hoping to make it work that her and
Speaker 3: Kolbe will be coming back on hoping with this whole
Speaker 3: crew too if they want to cover Layl canyons. So
Speaker 3: I'm expecting that to be exciting and fun and informational.
Speaker 4: Oh but yeah, thank you very much. Again, I did.
Speaker 5: Roped that too, you know. The I don't know if
Speaker 5: I mentioned maybe I did, but the Laurel Canyon Book
Speaker 5: and Program to Kill are written by the same guy,
Speaker 5: Dave McGowan. So I mean, if you love one, you're
Speaker 5: gonna love the other as well, because it's just super
Speaker 5: well done research and shit that nobody really talks about.
Speaker 5: I mean, I guess people talk about Laurel Canyon stuff
Speaker 5: more now than they used to. But I mean really
Speaker 5: people just focus on like Jim Morrison and shit like
Speaker 5: like that. That's the big one person they know that
Speaker 5: has like CIA connections.
Speaker 4: Nice.
Speaker 3: You know one thing you said before too, which is
Speaker 3: you know, I I'm glad that you say that that
Speaker 3: you know you don't mess with YouTube because you're not
Speaker 3: going to censor yourself. So unfortunate that that episode, you know,
Speaker 3: this isn't going to drop on YouTube because I'm not
Speaker 3: going to edit it, you know what I'm saying, so
Speaker 3: like I'm still dropping it. It's just it's unfortunate that,
Speaker 3: you know, YouTube is like that I'm not going to
Speaker 3: be able to put it on there.
Speaker 4: But good for you. I'm glad you don't.
Speaker 3: You know, you don't sensor your stuff due to a platform,
Speaker 3: because some people will do that.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's worth it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's just it's not worth it to me.
Speaker 5: And you know, the program to Kill series that's available
Speaker 5: on my show is just part of like several mini
Speaker 5: series I did. The first one was called The Pedophocracy
Speaker 5: and then the second one was called Uncle Sam Wants
Speaker 5: Your Children. YouTube would have probably taken that down just
Speaker 5: by the fucking name of it. And then the third
Speaker 5: one was Programmed to Kill. And the very last series
Speaker 5: that I did with Colby is called Blood Ties, and
Speaker 5: it's all about, uh, like the Superstars as they call them,
Speaker 5: Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy and Jeffrey Dahmer and
Speaker 5: those are the serial killers that they referred to as
Speaker 5: the Superstars. But in Program to Kill, I kind of
Speaker 5: touched on some serial killers that have kind of gone
Speaker 5: under the radar, and actually some of them I don't
Speaker 5: even I think they just got like a bunch of
Speaker 5: shit pinned on them that they didn't even really do.
Speaker 5: So it's it's crazy to me. And it's if you
Speaker 5: look at how some of these serial killers are operating,
Speaker 5: it's just like the fucking CIA, fucking Weapons of Opportunity,
Speaker 5: fucking you know what I'm saying. They're literally following a program.
Speaker 5: And it's it's like Henry Lee Lucas. Did we talk
Speaker 5: about him in the last episode? I forget. I think
Speaker 5: we might have briefly touched on him.
Speaker 6: We brought him up, we brought it.
Speaker 5: So are you guys familiar with this This guy? He's
Speaker 5: got like periodontal disease and shit, he's got like one
Speaker 5: straight tooth in the frost. Seen this guy.
Speaker 3: I love how that becomes a fact one of his
Speaker 3: like you know facts reesa.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, dude, do share screen right now. I'd
Speaker 5: pull up a picture of him because it's just like
Speaker 5: one long tooth and the freezing.
Speaker 3: Is there a thing with like mk ultra people like
Speaker 3: being twisted because like it was it was an mk
Speaker 3: ultra doctor thrash, wasn't it.
Speaker 1: They didn't.
Speaker 3: One of the guys we cover had like a bum
Speaker 3: leg or a bum arm, and another guy had to screwed.
Speaker 4: Up legs something. It's like, what's up with everybody being
Speaker 4: deformed and screwed up?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Deformed?
Speaker 7: I think Alan Dolas had a bum leg and uh.
Speaker 4: There was somebody who worked with him that I think
Speaker 4: had screw.
Speaker 2: Got what's his name?
Speaker 1: Got leave?
Speaker 2: Got Leave? Yeah, I got Leaven.
Speaker 7: That's how they bonded because they both had like like screw.
Speaker 5: Up both like they had they looked like Lieutenant Dan
Speaker 5: or what I'm serious? They had nuts. Shit, I mean
Speaker 5: not all of them are deformed.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: Some people like to say, like Ted Bundy was a
Speaker 5: good looking guy. I mean so it's like they don't
Speaker 5: really care what you look like or obviously, because Henry
Speaker 5: Lee Lucas looks like a straight up crackhead.
Speaker 1: But he.
Speaker 5: Got a Netflix series dedicated to him, called The Confession Killer,
Speaker 5: and that's the first time that I had ever heard
Speaker 5: of him is because it was real sensationalized and everyone
Speaker 5: everyone was posting like reels and shit on Instagram about
Speaker 5: all the Confession Killer, and essentially they kind of made
Speaker 5: fun of him, like if we got him a chicken
Speaker 5: nugget meal and a strawberry shake, he would just start
Speaker 5: confessing to any any open case, cold case file that
Speaker 5: they would put in front of him. And by the
Speaker 5: end of it, I think they said he killed like,
Speaker 5: I don't know, one hundred and twenty seven to two
Speaker 5: hundred people, and some of it didn't even make sense
Speaker 5: because he would have had it been in two places
Speaker 5: at one time. But what struck me as interesting is
Speaker 5: he knew intimate details about the crime scenes that in
Speaker 5: the murders that he was confessing to that he shouldn't know.
Speaker 5: That was never mainstream knowledge. So let's say he didn't
Speaker 5: do these murders, but he was getting convicted for them anyways,
Speaker 5: because he's confessing to them. Somebody is feeding him information.
Speaker 5: Somebody is telling him information about these crime scenes that
Speaker 5: he couldn't possibly know, So when he confesses, it almost
Speaker 5: sounds like it's probable that he could have done it,
Speaker 5: because how else would he know that. And then later
Speaker 5: on in life, he writes a book called The Hand
Speaker 5: of Death Cult or something like that, or maybe it's
Speaker 5: called just called the Hand of Death, and he's talking
Speaker 5: about like getting recruited by secret military type I don't know.
Speaker 5: It's like a program and they're training serial killers and
Speaker 5: he talks about this. He talks about some kind of
Speaker 5: Hand of Death cult that was in charge of this shit.
Speaker 5: And you know, his mom used to dress him up
Speaker 5: like a girl when he was a kid, And it
Speaker 5: ends up being like kind of multi generational with him
Speaker 5: and his killing partner, Otis Tool. They both kind of
Speaker 5: had like multi generational trauma in their family of like
Speaker 5: dressing the boys up like girls. And I think one
Speaker 5: of their grandmas was like a Satanist or something like that,
Speaker 5: either Otis or Henry, I can't remember now. But they
Speaker 5: always killed with weapons of opportunity, just like the CIA
Speaker 5: handout sheet would tell you to do it was never
Speaker 5: the same way. It wasn't like it wasn't like Ted
Speaker 5: Bundy where they were always strangled and bludgeoned, or you know,
Speaker 5: Jeff Dahmer, he fucking make pull pork sandwiches out of everybody.
Speaker 5: It was different every single time. Some would be stabbing,
Speaker 5: some would be shooting, some would get smothered, some would
Speaker 5: get decapitated. Like, it was never the same. And if
Speaker 5: you start looking at people like Richard Ramirez who also
Speaker 5: killed with weapons of opportunity, it's just starts to kind
Speaker 5: of make a little bit more sense. It's like you
Speaker 5: always say, Nick, you can't separate governmental programs and ritualistic programs.
Speaker 5: I think they're one and the same. And so when
Speaker 5: you say something is like, oh, well they're programmed to kill,
Speaker 5: they're part of like the CIA or something like that,
Speaker 5: and they're all Satanists, I think those two things can
Speaker 5: be synonymous. I don't know about you guys, So.
Speaker 8: Well, if you think about it, all the professional killers
Speaker 8: working for the government have to do some kind of
Speaker 8: ritual to get into that mindset in the first place.
Speaker 8: You know, the idea that there would be ritual killers
Speaker 8: out there sort of doing the same thing whether or
Speaker 8: not they're associated with the government, would definitely have that
Speaker 8: same sort of process.
Speaker 4: Mm hm.
Speaker 8: This goes way back. I mean you you can look
Speaker 8: back at the pottery from the Mycenee and Greeks and
Speaker 8: you'll see, you know, as these two warriors are going out,
Speaker 8: you've got these two messengers for the king behind them
Speaker 8: that nobody's allowed to touch.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 8: And so to me, the first thing that popped into
Speaker 8: my head is like, are these guys all programmed to kill?
Speaker 8: Is this what's going on here? Maybe it's ever been
Speaker 8: what we think it is. Maybe it's always been this
Speaker 8: sort of ritual human sacrifice.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I don't know if anybody else has anything
Speaker 5: to add about that, but I think we could go
Speaker 5: even to like one of my favorite occult serial killers,
Speaker 5: who I think I know who it is, but that's
Speaker 5: up for debate, would be Jack the Ripper. I think
Speaker 5: he was also a part of an occult society. I've
Speaker 5: done a lot of research into it, and I'm pretty
Speaker 5: sure that Helena Lavotsky was was best. He's with this guy.
Speaker 5: He was a doctor and he was into all these
Speaker 5: occult and they fucking had him as a consultant on
Speaker 5: the crime scenes. Dude, you know how serial killers have
Speaker 5: to go back.
Speaker 4: This guy was the originally fauci kind of Yeah.
Speaker 5: So this guy was in all these occult circles and
Speaker 5: one of his besties was Helena Blovotsky, and fucking nobody
Speaker 5: puts those two pieces together. Nobody puts those two pieces together.
Speaker 5: His name was doctor Rick, doctor fucking foxtick. I don't
Speaker 5: know what his last name was. It was something talking
Speaker 5: about Holmes, that guy. No, no, it's a weird last name.
Speaker 8: They just found genetic analysis published in January of twenty
Speaker 8: twenty five, which claims to have identified Jack the Ripper
Speaker 8: as Aaron Kosminsky.
Speaker 5: I don't believe it, and I don't believe they're DNA
Speaker 5: testing either. They could fucking test some DNA. There is
Speaker 5: no DNA from the They didn't collect any, and if
Speaker 5: they did, it's all fucking contaminated. And ship they were
Speaker 5: the second they rolled up on a dead body, they
Speaker 5: were all touching it and rolling it over and ship.
Speaker 5: There's no way that they can get good DNA from
Speaker 5: from per victim. I will tell you though, I'm relentless,
Speaker 5: and when I get to start researching something, somebody find
Speaker 5: the name of that fucking doctor guy.
Speaker 3: Yo, you know what I wanted to say real quick,
Speaker 3: and I didn't find out until like a week or
Speaker 3: two ago, maybe the most you know, who else the
Speaker 3: croley actually came out and said was Jack the Ripper?
Speaker 5: Helena?
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was.
Speaker 3: I think she was wind behind it.
Speaker 5: I don't think she was strong enough to do it herself.
Speaker 5: I think she had this this. I think his name
Speaker 5: was Dodgson or something. I could be wrong, but she
Speaker 5: had this doctor guy doing it. And they said, whoever
Speaker 5: is doing this is probably a doctor.
Speaker 3: He said she was using it for a ritual to
Speaker 3: actually gain more like powers.
Speaker 9: Yes, I know if you look at it, if you
Speaker 9: look at some of the crime scene details or whatever.
Speaker 9: The victims were bled out first, and if anybody who
Speaker 9: is familiar with field dressing animals, that's exactly what you
Speaker 9: do first, because you want a clean you know, landscape
Speaker 9: or whatever to kind of know what you're collecting and
Speaker 9: know what you're dissecting out. And then also when they
Speaker 9: said that most of the stuff that was removed and
Speaker 9: it wasn't the same organ every single victim. Some had heart,
Speaker 9: some had an intestine, some had a liver, some had
Speaker 9: a bladder. There was one where they removed the uterus
Speaker 9: bladder vaginal canal.
Speaker 5: Like, yes, see, what the fuck are they doing with that?
Speaker 9: And then the other thing is, and Nick and I
Speaker 9: were talking about this, is that in almost all of
Speaker 9: the victims, the intestine was draped over the right side,
Speaker 9: and I was like, that means a guy was left
Speaker 9: handed whoever was doing. Whenever you're field dressing, and anybody
Speaker 9: chime in field dressing, if you're not hanging them upside
Speaker 9: down to where all of the intestine or viscera falls down,
Speaker 9: you have to kind of pull the actual intestine away
Speaker 9: so that you can see what you're doing. Because the
Speaker 9: moment that you nick the intestine, everything is damaged. You
Speaker 9: can't ever eat that meat or anything like that. So
Speaker 9: you want to move that completely away so that it's
Speaker 9: not in the way of anything. Nick and I were
Speaker 9: talking about that. Definitely, it was probably either harvesting organs,
Speaker 9: whether it's for ritual or for collecting of something or experiments,
Speaker 9: because there was a lot.
Speaker 4: Of rich people.
Speaker 5: There was a lot well, if you look at the
Speaker 5: victims where they were found and you connect them in
Speaker 5: the order that they were killed, it makes a big
Speaker 5: pentagram so you tell me that it's just some random
Speaker 5: idiot out there just slash and dashing people.
Speaker 2: They tried.
Speaker 5: The Smithsonian came out with this article and they were
Speaker 5: trying to pin it on this local butcher guy. And
Speaker 5: it's like, oh, well, he lives so far away from
Speaker 5: the car. Fuck you and anything this Smithsonian puts out
Speaker 5: I'm immediately skeptical of. And I think that it's all
Speaker 5: fucking fucked up narrative.
Speaker 8: Anyways, I agree, dude, fuck the Smithsonian.
Speaker 9: Oh, I was thinking, you know some of the do
Speaker 9: you know where to get some of these autopsy records?
Speaker 6: Do you the.
Speaker 8: Movie from Hell.
Speaker 5: They blame it on and a cold person too. I
Speaker 5: actually went and I just started scouring pages of fucking
Speaker 5: and you can find stuff thrash. What were you gonna say, man?
Speaker 7: Oh, I was just gonna mention like divination of organs
Speaker 7: and stuff, like how a lot of tribes well use
Speaker 7: like pagan testings and stuff.
Speaker 8: The Victorian era was chock full of all of that,
Speaker 8: like organ magic. They talked about it all the time.
Speaker 8: It went hand in hand with all the surgical ship.
Speaker 5: Let me see somebody take the wheel for a second.
Speaker 5: I gotta find this doctor is.
Speaker 10: It doctor Thomas Neil Cream. No, it was a weird
Speaker 10: last name.
Speaker 5: I'm telling you. It was tumble Team when I hear it,
Speaker 5: Ostron Samson.
Speaker 1: Ight, s are we talking about Jack the Ripper right now?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, So it wasn't.
Speaker 11: One of the victims apparently was Alistair Crowley's maid or
Speaker 11: nanny who he lost his virginity to. Really and how
Speaker 11: he got the nickname the Beast.
Speaker 1: So that would be.
Speaker 11: Very important magically to those guys to sacrifice her, you
Speaker 11: know what I mean, just another interesting.
Speaker 1: Time with that.
Speaker 6: What would be her? I wonder what her name was.
Speaker 5: It had a huge Robert jahns In Stevenson, that's his name.
Speaker 5: There's the motherfucker right there. You're looking at Jack the
Speaker 5: fucking Ripper. I'm telling you, guys. I'm telling you guys,
Speaker 5: that's that's him right there. Best's Yeah, he's got a
Speaker 5: handlebar mustache. He was friends with her, all right, and
Speaker 5: he was a consultant on the murders.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: It's like a lot of murderers will go back and
Speaker 5: revisit their crime scenes and they want to be a
Speaker 5: part of it, and they want to like, uh you
Speaker 5: know what they say, like get the spotlight away from
Speaker 5: them because it's like, oh, it couldn't be him. He's
Speaker 5: helping out with the case, right right.
Speaker 2: But Mike.
Speaker 7: Was saying the Black Dolly guy, the George Hodell mm hmmm,
Speaker 7: that guy too seems to be mean.
Speaker 5: He's Laurel Canyon. Fucking Hodel is Laurel Kenyon and it's fucking.
Speaker 7: A Mayan house.
Speaker 5: Yeah, simple house, yeah yeah. And then his daughter, Hodel's
Speaker 5: daughter grows up and becomes best friends with Michelle Phillips,
Speaker 5: and he's and he was incestuous with his kids, and
Speaker 5: fucking John Phillips was incestuous with its kids. So it's
Speaker 5: like a big fucking cult that they're in where they
Speaker 5: fuck kids. I'm sorry this is going on YouTube, okay,
Speaker 5: but they fucked their kids and they do this shit.
Speaker 5: They the the Black Dahlia was so reminiscent of the
Speaker 5: Rippers style of killing and shit. I mean those it's
Speaker 5: birds of a.
Speaker 7: Feather to me, like like the painting that was yes about,
Speaker 7: there's like dismembered body parts basically in the paper.
Speaker 5: They get off on it. They get off on it.
Speaker 5: Did I mention in the last episode, And I'm sure
Speaker 5: we'll get into well, I am going to get into
Speaker 5: it later, but one of the podestas either John or
Speaker 5: the fuck another one Tony Tony. They have a one
Speaker 5: of them has a golden Jeffrey Dahmer victim hanging in
Speaker 5: there Tony sculture. Yeah. So it's like it's like they're
Speaker 5: proud of this ship. They get off on this ship. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and it's because it's home grown. And I'll kind of
Speaker 5: get into that in a minute. It's because like, if
Speaker 5: you were gonna create this ultimate evil, right and it
Speaker 5: personifies as someone like Jeffrey Dahmer, my god, you'd be
Speaker 5: you'd be. It's like having a straight A student or
Speaker 5: some shit like. That's that's the what they're going for.
Speaker 5: That's their goal, is to have this horrible monster unleashed
Speaker 5: into the world. I mean, he's one of the superstars
Speaker 5: you know that they talk about. But one of the
Speaker 5: other ones that I'm sure you guys might be familiar
Speaker 5: with some of the stuff I'm gonna go over though,
Speaker 5: is Manson. He's a superstar. He'll always be a superstar.
Speaker 5: Everybody thinks he's great and and you know, even at
Speaker 5: the time, he's Laurel Canyon too, the the guy from
Speaker 5: the Beach Boys. What's his name, Brian Dennis, Yeah, Dennis Wilson.
Speaker 5: He had he had Charles Manson and his all his
Speaker 5: family members posted up in his house and was just
Speaker 5: like paying for all their shit and was like, oh,
Speaker 5: Charlie is great, and Neil Young, I think was second
Speaker 5: is dick left and right, I mean metaphorically and with
Speaker 5: oh Charlie's great, Charlie's this and that, and he Neil
Speaker 5: Young is one of the biggest fucking vaccine pushing I'll
Speaker 5: take myself off Spotify. Motherfucker's over. It's you know, all
Speaker 5: this shit goes together, all this shit. You guys are laughing,
Speaker 5: I'm serious. He said he was going to take himself
Speaker 5: off Spotify. Like that's going to ruin somebody's days. Who
Speaker 5: I better go get jabbed right now. Or Neil Young
Speaker 5: is gonna take his three good songs off Spotify, Like.
Speaker 4: Come on, I'll just listen to it on YouTube.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: But it's like that, it's the same people who are
Speaker 5: our besties with Charles Manson and so me and Colby
Speaker 5: talked about this in my new series Blood Ties, And
Speaker 5: I'm not one hundred percent sure that the the Tate
Speaker 5: and or the Lobyanca murders really went down how they
Speaker 5: say they did. I think there's a lot of questions
Speaker 5: about it. I think that Charlie was doing some MK
Speaker 5: ultra type ship on the Spawn movie Ranch. I think
Speaker 5: that uh, Julia, I don't know.
Speaker 8: Jj has a game he can play. It's six Degrees
Speaker 8: of Charles Manson.
Speaker 12: What Games and Operations GCD six six Degrees of Charles Manson?
Speaker 5: What is it?
Speaker 8: You can't just talk about it.
Speaker 12: It's in place of, you know, Kevin Bacon's game, Six
Speaker 12: Degrees of Kevin Bacon. Are you familiar with this concept?
Speaker 1: No? Not really?
Speaker 12: Oh wow, okay, there's no famous game that started in
Speaker 12: the nineties. Kevin Bacon hates it. I incorporated a clip
Speaker 12: of him asking for a new Patsy in the game.
Speaker 12: So it's my make a wish for Kevin Bacon, I
Speaker 12: find a new Patsy Charles Manson.
Speaker 5: Okay, all right.
Speaker 2: I mean a lot of.
Speaker 12: The details you're talking about surrounding Manson. The key concept
Speaker 12: that's often ever looked is the processed church of the
Speaker 12: final judgment.
Speaker 2: When you're talking about you know.
Speaker 12: The the tatans Planski's they were ever in rome with
Speaker 12: the process immediately preceding the murderers.
Speaker 5: Right right. I think that Roman Polanski definitely had more
Speaker 5: to do it with it than he lets On, that's
Speaker 5: for sure.
Speaker 2: Oh, for sure.
Speaker 12: There was definitely a whole Yeah, the whole the public
Speaker 12: narrative is hardly spun by the DA's office in Nucleiosi,
Speaker 12: who's uh, you know, been out at every time as
Speaker 12: a you know, wizard of of pr basically, but not
Speaker 12: of justice.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 5: And I was just gonna say, drawing this all back in, uh,
Speaker 5: Kevin Bacon was in Once upon a Time in Hollywood,
Speaker 5: that Tarantino movie about the Manson murd.
Speaker 12: So, huh no, that's a good Yeah, it's a good
Speaker 12: It was a good kind of reimagination of the murders too.
Speaker 5: Right yeah right, yeah, yeah, I well, you know, I
Speaker 5: thought it was a good movie. I typically like Tarantino stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but Tarantino in in and of himself, defended Roman Polayanski
Speaker 5: when he raped that fucking thirteen.
Speaker 8: Year old, right he did, Right, that's all it comes down.
Speaker 2: He definitely did. Yeah.
Speaker 5: You know what Colby said, he was like, why do
Speaker 5: all the creeps make all the good movies? I was like,
Speaker 5: because that's like goes with if you like something, if
Speaker 5: something is massively popular, they're probably a fucking creep Like
Speaker 5: look at you know, Steven Spielberg and all that shit. Sure,
Speaker 5: I mean, the creepiest ones are the ones that make
Speaker 5: the best stuff.
Speaker 12: I think one thing that Tarantino did once upon a
Speaker 12: time in Hollywood, as far as he did the whole
Speaker 12: reimagination thing of the murders, but he did incorporate a
Speaker 12: lot of the other manson like an alternative, you know,
Speaker 12: corollarly aspects to the storyline. For example, Bruce Lee, who
Speaker 12: never gets mentioned within the whole narrative of that time.
Speaker 12: He was close friends with Sharon Tate and with Jay
Speaker 12: se Bring, one of the other victims, so he never
Speaker 12: he's included in that movie. Tarantina did that on purpose
Speaker 12: because he was part of that Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, that is true. With what he's getting at.
Speaker 3: You really don't hear much about Bruce Lee actually being
Speaker 3: like kind of connected to that whole crew.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of people.
Speaker 7: There's a lot of interesting gems in there, like, for instance,
Speaker 7: like when they're going into El Coyote. I've said this
Speaker 7: before on an episode. I don't quite remember which one,
Speaker 7: but if you look in the background at the movie theater,
Speaker 7: in the background there's a pornography film, but it's the
Speaker 7: first pornography film that was shown in movie theaters. And
Speaker 7: there's a like a scene like where she Sharon Tate's
Speaker 7: going in and she says, uh, something like like I
Speaker 7: didn't know they showed newdi films at the premieres. And
Speaker 7: the key tie in with that is that there the
Speaker 7: mafia basically ran the pornography ring in La. And it's
Speaker 7: kind of hinting at that because they if you if
Speaker 7: you know who actually funded that first.
Speaker 2: Film, it was the hold the Mafia of La, which
Speaker 2: ties into.
Speaker 7: Uh, the other victims, not the Tait victims, but the Lobyonce. Yeah,
Speaker 7: the Lobbyancas. Yes, because he was like a like a
Speaker 7: bookie and stuff.
Speaker 5: For the mob. Yet you know he had like two
Speaker 5: hundred and fifty thousand dollars unpaid like gambling debts. And
Speaker 5: then they say, they say, oh he was he was
Speaker 5: a random target. There was no connection. There was no
Speaker 5: when you rhyme or reason for why the Lobbyancas got it.
Speaker 5: And then you really start looking at that guy. I
Speaker 5: think his name was Leno Lino lobiance man. He was
Speaker 5: a shady shitter and they they do that shit. They
Speaker 5: mix some some they they mix some random shit with
Speaker 5: some on purpose shit to throw you off, because like,
Speaker 5: nobody's going to go dig in and find out this
Speaker 5: guy's got mob ties and he's got two hundred and
Speaker 5: fifty thousand and gambling debts. Nobody's looking into that. But
Speaker 5: he did, and then he ended up fucking debt as
Speaker 5: shit with his whole family. So and then it's like
Speaker 5: I said before, I think Roman Polanski had way more
Speaker 5: to do with Sharon. Then he lets on, I think
Speaker 5: he fucked off out of town. So again to deflect guilt, like, oh,
Speaker 5: I was out of town, I have an alibi. I
Speaker 5: wasn't even in the country when it happened. But you
Speaker 5: can usually look at the husband when something like that
Speaker 5: goes down. Anyways, did you.
Speaker 7: Ever see the j Sebring documentary that came out, Like,
Speaker 7: was it five six years ago?
Speaker 11: No?
Speaker 5: Was it like HBO or something?
Speaker 7: It was on Amazon. It's very interesting because it has
Speaker 7: the apparently Sharon was going through a gonna divorce Polanski
Speaker 7: and get back with Seabring, and uh, they even have
Speaker 7: like the lawyer and the attorney on the documentary and everything.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 5: Somebody in the ninth grade too.
Speaker 12: Yeah, and that's the expective once upon a time in Hollywood.
Speaker 12: That they included was the Steve McQueen at the pool
Speaker 12: party talking about the love triangle between Roman Seabring and
Speaker 12: Sharon Tate because again part of the manson lord that
Speaker 12: that Tarantino incorporated. Steve McQueen was supposed to be there
Speaker 12: that night and apparently stopped at a gas station on
Speaker 12: the way over to the Tate Polanski house and met
Speaker 12: some met himself a nice lady for the evening.
Speaker 7: And McQueen supposedly after the murders went there, went to
Speaker 7: Sea Brings and got rid of a lot of the
Speaker 7: like cocaine and stuff he was selling.
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, well.
Speaker 5: And you know Jay see Bring was tight with Jim Morrison.
Speaker 5: He's the one who gave him that famous haircut. So,
Speaker 5: I mean, they're right, they're all connected to each other
Speaker 5: and they're.
Speaker 12: All stee Bring was a scientologist too as well. Again,
Speaker 12: these scientology process connections go throughout the whole, that whole
Speaker 12: social circle of folks in Marl Canyon.
Speaker 5: Mm hmmm. Dude, When we cover the Laurel Can. I
Speaker 5: hope you guys join us for that episode because I'll
Speaker 5: go through the whole fucking list of them. I mean,
Speaker 5: Dave McGowan does such a great job connecting the dots
Speaker 5: with some of that stuff. Who's friends with who, and
Speaker 5: like these murders and shit, And you know, Charles Manson
Speaker 5: definitely goes Laurel Canyon and Program to Kill He's in
Speaker 5: both books because it's it's like I said before, you
Speaker 5: can't ever take something like the Tate murders and the
Speaker 5: Lobbyanca stuff at fates value. Oh, he was just a
Speaker 5: crazy guy and he brainwashed these people and they went
Speaker 5: and did this stuff that is absolutely not what happened.
Speaker 5: But and then and then to go as far as
Speaker 5: like this wastika and all that, I mean, that's just
Speaker 5: like throwing you off this scent even more. Oh, we'll
Speaker 5: just make him carve a staka in his head and
Speaker 5: do all this stuff. They want you so badly to
Speaker 5: believe that this mainstream narrative where there's just crazy people
Speaker 5: out there that'll just come to your house and just
Speaker 5: kill you for no reason, and everybody should be terrified.
Speaker 5: They love doing that to people. So I mean I
Speaker 5: think the serial killer was kind of born in the
Speaker 5: nineteen sixties. I think, just like the counter movement. I
Speaker 5: think it was almost like a five layer burrito. They
Speaker 5: had like all these different programs running at the same time.
Speaker 5: They had the serial killer program, they had the fucking
Speaker 5: counterculture movement going on, and they also had like women's
Speaker 5: like equality stuff going on at the same time. I mean,
Speaker 5: it really was a time to be alive, for sure.
Speaker 5: It almost makes you wonder how but how anybody made
Speaker 5: it fucking out alive just so quick?
Speaker 11: Oh sorry, go ahead, Well it's gonna say in the
Speaker 11: Vietnam War, I mean a lot of this stuff boils
Speaker 11: down to the whole program to kill. The reason why
Speaker 11: it ourtoons were violent. Why they had to start showing
Speaker 11: movies where people were shooting each other because in World
Speaker 11: War Two a lot of soldiers couldn't pull.
Speaker 1: The trigger, so it bottom up.
Speaker 11: But the Vietnam War is why a lot of these
Speaker 11: ops I think were going on.
Speaker 5: And the fucking Phoenix program.
Speaker 11: Yeah, and a lot of these murders. There was like
Speaker 11: three serial killers in the same area.
Speaker 1: M h. I mean, so there is some sort of
Speaker 1: program going on. I mean, it's so.
Speaker 11: Obvious that all these serial killers are magically coming out
Speaker 11: of this one city, the same.
Speaker 12: Exact saturated for sure, right in like one geographical region.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: I was actually gonna get to another one that came out,
Speaker 5: but Teresa, you go first.
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, so I think Actually, a long time ago,
Speaker 10: when I was researching for an episode that we did
Speaker 10: with Kolby me, Nick and Koby did an episode on
Speaker 10: Elon Musk and his mom. May Musk and her twin
Speaker 10: K were friends with Charles Manson's is a rumor, of course,
Speaker 10: but like an interesting one nonetheless, And that Kay apparently
Speaker 10: there's a record of her visiting him in prison. They
Speaker 10: gave him like TVs and like other luxuries. May Musk
Speaker 10: apparently appears in the Helterskelter book like a photo of her.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, Oh that's a weird these fucking assholes.
Speaker 7: Is the first edition she's in in the first Okay,
Speaker 7: the first edition, I think.
Speaker 5: Okay, there's a she's in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Wow, that's fucked up, right, so fucked I mean, that's
Speaker 5: what I'm saying.
Speaker 10: Though.
Speaker 5: It is like all these people who are like like
Speaker 5: the beach boy guy and Neil Young and fucking apparently
Speaker 5: Elon Musk's mom, right, like they're all they're all friends
Speaker 5: with this guy and they all used to like sing
Speaker 5: his praises and ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jack, guys there the lady from Mama's and Papa's
Speaker 3: Mama cast.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 12: John Phillips was noted on an I n S document
Speaker 12: is funding the Process church's activities in Los Angeles, So
Speaker 12: and Mama Cass had to run ins with Scientology and in
Speaker 12: the process as well.
Speaker 2: So again you're talking about the same kind of report
Speaker 2: with these cults.
Speaker 12: And I think these cults operate some of that mind
Speaker 12: control stuff in the program to kill aspects not just
Speaker 12: man somebody you also.
Speaker 2: Got Sirhan Sirhan old double Sir Haan was noted as well.
Speaker 12: And Investigatory Documents is attending an English sex cults or
Speaker 12: English cult sex magic rituals, which the referring to the
Speaker 12: Process and that in that.
Speaker 5: Statement, well, that's that's like what Henry Lee Lucas was saying.
Speaker 5: He was trained by a cult that worked with the
Speaker 5: government to produce these mind controlled killers. And I don't
Speaker 5: know how much you guys know about Zodiac or how
Speaker 5: much we talked about Zodiac in the last episode, but
Speaker 5: that's another one that came out of San Francisco, uh,
Speaker 5: kind of near the Presidio area, kind of near fucking
Speaker 5: the Michael Achino stuff. And that's why I think personally
Speaker 5: he could have been one of many Zodiac killers. I
Speaker 5: do believe that there were many killers. I don't think
Speaker 5: that it was just one guy. And the fact that
Speaker 5: they always get like this Bitch and Moniker. After that,
Speaker 5: like maybe two people die and all of a sudden
Speaker 5: you got like a guy with this bitch and the Zodiac,
Speaker 5: the Green River Killer, the you know, Jack, the Ripper,
Speaker 5: like all these names. It gives it like a sensationalism,
Speaker 5: and it gives them almost like a celebrity status. And
Speaker 5: then you have people getting these codes that are sent
Speaker 5: in by the Zodiac and they're obsessing over them, trying
Speaker 5: to crack these codes and shit. And the motherfucker showed
Speaker 5: up to one of the murders with the full asked
Speaker 5: costume on full ass apron with a big Zodiac sigil
Speaker 5: on it, in sunglasses, and none of the other survivors
Speaker 5: talk about a guy in a full blown like batman
Speaker 5: suit coming to murder you, and then you know they
Speaker 5: give him it. Oh, it's the Zodiac and then he
Speaker 5: addresses himself as Zodiac. So I think it was just
Speaker 5: many people working in tandem doing this shit, and they
Speaker 5: just put one bad guy as like the main focus
Speaker 5: who has never caught. But there's always like military boot
Speaker 5: prints that show up at all the crime scenes with
Speaker 5: the Zodiac. The taxi driver that was shot near the
Speaker 5: Presidio Hides area, there were like three kids that called
Speaker 5: the police and gave an identification of the man that
Speaker 5: they softling the crime scene. And instead of giving the
Speaker 5: police that description, they said, look for a black guy.
Speaker 5: And that's not even the fucking that's not even what
Speaker 5: the fucking kids said. They said they saw a tall
Speaker 5: white guy with the group cut, haircut, with boots on
Speaker 5: fleeing the scene. They and then they told the police
Speaker 5: officers look for an for an armed black man and
Speaker 5: gave gave him, gave the real Zodiac whoever it was
Speaker 5: time to fucking make his head away. So I think
Speaker 5: that these guys are protected from on high. I think
Speaker 5: that they don't want to be caught. They don't want
Speaker 5: anybody to catch these guys, and it like just terrifies people.
Speaker 5: But I don't know what you guys think. About the
Speaker 5: multiple assailants for the Zodiac. But I definitely think it
Speaker 5: was multiple assailants.
Speaker 2: Oh the.
Speaker 7: Again, the George Hodell, his son claims that it was him.
Speaker 5: Like he's, oh my god, that wouldn't that be a
Speaker 5: fucking twist.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he claims that, like and.
Speaker 7: Like when they stopped that he moved back to he
Speaker 7: like moved to like Indonesia or the Philmhippines.
Speaker 5: Oh shit, yeah.
Speaker 7: And he was like an old man then and he
Speaker 7: married like a Filipino wife after he left San Francisco.
Speaker 5: Oh my god. But you know it's I think maybe
Speaker 5: let's just say George Hodell was one and Michael Aquino
Speaker 5: was one. And I think that, you know, when you
Speaker 5: look at possible suspects for the Zodiac, you'll find like
Speaker 5: these huge long lists, and all the reasons that they
Speaker 5: give are pretty credible, Like, Okay, that makes sense that
Speaker 5: person could be the Zodiac. And and what I'm trying
Speaker 5: to say is maybe all of them were the Zodiac
Speaker 5: for all we know, Like maybe they were all fucking
Speaker 5: there was a group of people doing this shit and
Speaker 5: something else weird about Well, I'm sure did you guys
Speaker 5: watch the movie with Robert Downey Junior.
Speaker 2: Sure you did.
Speaker 5: I like David Fincher. Yeah, I thought it was a
Speaker 5: great movie.
Speaker 2: But it's all based on one book.
Speaker 12: So I think that's what a lot of the people's
Speaker 12: problems are because it's in that one book.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because they try to put everything on the fat
Speaker 5: guy that works at the factory.
Speaker 12: Right again, So there's a lot of interesting aspects I
Speaker 12: ever looked on in that story about my manner jectrial
Speaker 12: quick relative to specifically framing other people. So the Edward
Speaker 12: Wayne Edwards factor is often over, is often ignored.
Speaker 2: I agree with you.
Speaker 12: It's definitely a team of Satanists. The letters, there's there's
Speaker 12: overt references to croleisms and delima in in the letters,
Speaker 12: in the zodiac letters that people no one wants to
Speaker 12: address that aspect. I'm not even that schooled, and I.
Speaker 2: Can see this ship and the and the letters. It's
Speaker 2: pretty obvious.
Speaker 12: Well, if I traded a kindergartener how to recroley, they
Speaker 12: would identify the same the same characteristics in these letters.
Speaker 12: That's how That's how I find out how obvious it is.
Speaker 5: Oh, I'm one hundred.
Speaker 3: I think it just due to the one time, I mean,
Speaker 3: JJ said it as a joke, but I mean, in
Speaker 3: all honesty, I think it does look a little bit
Speaker 3: like the Zodiac Killer's hood. I mean I have a
Speaker 3: hood to the astro, right, I mean I've posted and
Speaker 3: it's very much like the hood that the Zodiac Killer
Speaker 3: showed up with. And it's it's I've seen, especially people
Speaker 3: like Thelamites, but it is a type of like jewelry
Speaker 3: and stuff I've seen people wear a lot. They'll wear
Speaker 3: that circle with an X in it, which does kind
Speaker 3: of look like a crosshair, and it's the symbol of
Speaker 3: malkouth now when you're starting to screw around with the Kabbala.
Speaker 3: So in my opinion, that guy's outfit could literally have
Speaker 3: been somebody who, in my opinion, might be into thelemic stuff.
Speaker 3: I could easily turn my hood inside out and look
Speaker 3: like the Zodiac Killer.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 8: One of the things I liked about the movie from
Speaker 8: Hell is that they incorporated a lot of that Kabbala
Speaker 8: Masonic symbols, like some of that ship wasn't seen on
Speaker 8: film before that time, and they just went they went
Speaker 8: hard with all the rituals.
Speaker 5: But I think that's like really real. I think that
Speaker 5: like the Zodiac and shit, I think that's the real shit.
Speaker 8: There's so much of ass over between the actions of
Speaker 8: these different groups and just do the same things go ahead.
Speaker 11: Well, the codes and the ciphers and that, and the
Speaker 11: symbols and the fact that it's everything's done by the
Speaker 11: stars in the zodiac.
Speaker 1: That's very Saturnian too.
Speaker 11: And then there's inner orders of some of these Saturnian
Speaker 11: lodges called the fogg Lodges.
Speaker 1: And their whole thing is human sacrifice.
Speaker 11: Yeah, and and this is old school black German magic
Speaker 11: and it's all about the stars and it's all about
Speaker 11: zodiac and so and they wear black hoods too, So
Speaker 11: I mean it could be possible. I've ben't looked into
Speaker 11: it that much, but I mean it's ciphered like that.
Speaker 11: It's the symbols are similar.
Speaker 5: Well, and they leave a lot of details out when
Speaker 5: they make movies about the zodiac and even documentaries they make.
Speaker 5: And just I just have to address a comment that
Speaker 5: popped up about Satanist having great eyebrows. I'm like the
Speaker 5: least Satanist of all of us because I don't fucking
Speaker 5: have any.
Speaker 13: So, yeah, he used to like gel his shit up,
Speaker 13: like like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: But like okay, so let me let me just give
Speaker 5: you some info on the first. The first is what
Speaker 5: they call it zodiac victim. It was a girl named Darlene,
Speaker 5: and then the guy what was his name, Michael Majoe
Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure was his last name. And so Darlene
Speaker 5: was telling her friends a couple of weeks before she
Speaker 5: was murdered that she was receiving like packages from someone
Speaker 5: but wouldn't say who it was from, and that she
Speaker 5: had an ex husband that was weird and was in
Speaker 5: Mexico or something, and maybe he had killed somebody. And
Speaker 5: she was telling, yeah, there you go, look at that shit. Yeah,
Speaker 5: fucking Keino's eyebrows. But so, all this stuff was going down,
Speaker 5: and she was telling her friends about it, like I
Speaker 5: have an ex husband that maybe killed somebody, and I'm
Speaker 5: getting packages in the mail and stuff like this. And
Speaker 5: the mainstream narrative is that Darlene went to go pick
Speaker 5: up this mic guy and that they were going to
Speaker 5: go to a lover's lane situation and like make out.
Speaker 5: But what's weird is the front door to Michael Majoe's
Speaker 5: house was left wide open. All the lights in his
Speaker 5: house were on. It looked like he had left in
Speaker 5: a hurry. Darlene's talking about getting mysterious packages from her
Speaker 5: ex husband or somebody, and that she's worried about it,
Speaker 5: and then she ends up dead. And like, I mean,
Speaker 5: I can't even believe the one guy he shot both
Speaker 5: of them like eight times or ten times or something
Speaker 5: like that, and the one guy lived. But I mean,
Speaker 5: it's just like the Darlene murder seemed like she knew
Speaker 5: her attacker and that she had almost kind of like
Speaker 5: had a foreboding feeling that she was in danger. So
Speaker 5: it doesn't fit the rest of the Zodiac killings if
Speaker 5: they were all just random acts of violence. And I
Speaker 5: think that it was a group that's a hit. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I think I think it was.
Speaker 12: And you know, I agree with you, but I agree
Speaker 12: with you for sure. She she had direct connections to
Speaker 12: the Processed.
Speaker 5: Church in her Darlene did.
Speaker 12: Oh, yes, her husband Jim Phillips Crabtree, the guy who
Speaker 12: referred to as her ex husband.
Speaker 2: There were quasi domestic.
Speaker 5: Married, right right, right, right? Yeah?
Speaker 12: Yeah, So we were living down the head in Ashbury
Speaker 12: and they had they had Processed Church connections and in
Speaker 12: that address book that she had on her person, and
Speaker 12: it was long I think my kind of take on
Speaker 12: the head is she was able to identify the people
Speaker 12: in that it was actually Jim Phillips Crabtree's book, her
Speaker 12: quote unquote ex husband, his address book, and he's a
Speaker 12: very spooky figure.
Speaker 5: What do you think about the Zodiac being kind of
Speaker 5: like the son of Sam because, like he told, he
Speaker 5: admitted to some of this ship, but then he said,
Speaker 5: there are other people working with me that they never
Speaker 5: went and looked. For sure. I feel like Zodiac is
Speaker 5: exactly that I know.
Speaker 2: I think that's exactly what's going on for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 12: So I think that that everyone Edwards guy, I look
Speaker 12: at him as a referenced to like this this hand
Speaker 12: of death cult situation that Henry Lucas was talking about.
Speaker 12: I look at everyone Edwards is actually being like a
Speaker 12: general in that Handed death cult.
Speaker 2: And a lot of the lot of the.
Speaker 12: Crimes that Lucas and o'tool and tool were taken Tool
Speaker 12: were taken taking credit for, we're actually crimes that everyone
Speaker 12: Edwards was personally involved in. And at the same time
Speaker 12: they're taking credit for it. He's making parole on some
Speaker 12: arson charges where in those arson charges he actually they
Speaker 12: found a Marietta Georgia police police uniform. This house of
Speaker 12: Pennsylvania he burned down for insurance fraud that he went
Speaker 12: to prison for there, but he had infiltrated, speaking of
Speaker 12: these folks, going into to back to the crime scene,
Speaker 12: he infiltrated the Atlanta Child Killing's Task Force, faking to
Speaker 12: be a marryat a police sergeant. So he's very likely
Speaker 12: in the Zodiac killer team. For example, So there was
Speaker 12: a Blue Rock Springs Park park murder. I believe that
Speaker 12: was December of sixty eight, and then July exact.
Speaker 5: The one where he showed up in the costume.
Speaker 12: No, so that was that was the first one was
Speaker 12: the lover was our Lover's Lane one much like the
Speaker 12: Darlene and Michael Majoe one. So and everyone Edwards is
Speaker 12: actually confirmed. So out of all these suspects for the Zodiac,
Speaker 12: the only person that's confirmed has committed numerous Lovers Lane
Speaker 12: murders in the exact fashion of the Zodiac and numerous
Speaker 12: states over multiple decades. In fact, is Edward Wynn Edwards.
Speaker 12: No one else on that suspect list is ever confirmed
Speaker 12: murder of any regard, and especially the exact samemo involved
Speaker 12: in the Zodia killings. In addition to that, the third
Speaker 12: crime scene there at it's Lake barry Essa with the ball,
Speaker 12: that's the hood, that's the gost one.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 12: Yeah, that's the middle of the day. That's that's that's
Speaker 12: the later in the afternoons, those daylight hours. That's the
Speaker 12: only one in daylight hours. But all the details that
Speaker 12: the costumed killer gives to the to the victims, right,
Speaker 12: those all those details were details of Edward win Ever's life.
Speaker 12: So that was that was nineteen sixty nine. All those
Speaker 12: details that he had given the victims of that day
Speaker 12: was nineteen fifty nine.
Speaker 2: They occurred, he broke out.
Speaker 12: Of Montana prison, he murdered a prison guard, he went
Speaker 12: on the run to Mexico. He was you know, this
Speaker 12: is that all did occur in everyone Ever's life. But
Speaker 12: that was nineteen fifty nine, and that's what made him
Speaker 12: the number one most wanted person on the FBI's Most
Speaker 12: Wanted lists.
Speaker 5: The youngest are right, all right, So that makes a ton.
Speaker 2: Of sos ibollical mm hmm.
Speaker 5: Well, I have to say, let's just say he's one
Speaker 5: of them, right, and there is like others identified. I
Speaker 5: have to say like and I'm not saying my favorite
Speaker 5: because I love fucking serial killers or something like that.
Speaker 5: But if I was gonna pick a favorite serial killer,
Speaker 5: it's definitely not Zodiac. I mean, the motherfucker is sloppy.
Speaker 5: He leaves people alive. He doesn't even all the way
Speaker 5: kill people. He had two survivors. If you're gonna be
Speaker 5: a badass serial killer and put a fucking hood on
Speaker 5: your head and do all this codes and shit, at
Speaker 5: least kill your victims. Like He's not even good at it.
Speaker 5: He's like the shitty serial killer ever. Yeah, So but
Speaker 5: they have to keep like this narrative of the serial
Speaker 5: killer going because, like, as Zodiacs started to fade out,
Speaker 5: head Bundy was actually on a plane flying to San Francisco,
Speaker 5: where the Zodiac murders were going down. Nobody knows why
Speaker 5: he was going there, but as soon as he gets
Speaker 5: back to Seattle, he starts ripping through and uh, fucking
Speaker 5: killing all these bitches all over Seattle. So what do
Speaker 5: you think? What you guys are laughing? And it's the
Speaker 5: damn truth. It's like, what was he doing in San Francisco?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 7: Can I bring up a point that I keep thinking about?
Speaker 7: It's okay, so you brought up earlier, Like you feel
Speaker 7: like the serial killer thing was kind of like created
Speaker 7: around the sixties and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: I really feel like Michael Aquino has some some weird stuff, Dude.
Speaker 5: I've said that. I've said that for the longest.
Speaker 7: Like Mike has pointed out, like with the other episodes
Speaker 7: we've done, like the psy Ops and sy War and
Speaker 7: all that. And again that Ghost in the Machine video
Speaker 7: on YouTube, go ahead and watch it.
Speaker 5: Does it talk about Aquino?
Speaker 1: No, but he.
Speaker 7: Basically created that whole that was war.
Speaker 1: Effect. Now we're seeing it full side war on all levels.
Speaker 7: Sure, he started his whole thing right there in Vietnam
Speaker 7: right there, and then he was writing a lot of
Speaker 7: the rituals for the Satanic Church.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, do you know what the Alice in
Speaker 8: Wonderland technique is.
Speaker 5: About, like disassociating the kids and shit.
Speaker 8: Well, it's sort of like that. What you do is
Speaker 8: using NLP. This was big in the Scientology Church. So
Speaker 8: el Ron had all of his top operators learn how
Speaker 8: to repeat nonsensical phrases and then follow it up with
Speaker 8: an anchoring word like are we clear? So we're talking
Speaker 8: about these guys who are using the e meter using
Speaker 8: these techniques to try and break down people's resistance to interrogation.
Speaker 8: So if you look at all these different events, it's
Speaker 8: meant to confuse throw people off. It's just the beginning
Speaker 8: part of that kind of Alice in Wonderland technique. And
Speaker 8: so they got to follow it up with something to
Speaker 8: try and get the population moving in a certain direction.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and lead a man's piece godless.
Speaker 5: Well, I think that's why they do like multiple projects
Speaker 5: at one time, to like get you to focus on
Speaker 5: several different things, because it's, like I said, they have
Speaker 5: the counterculture shit going on, they have the serial killer
Speaker 5: shit going on, and then they have like women's equality
Speaker 5: shit going on, and they keep pushing women to be
Speaker 5: more independent, and then they're sending people like Ted Bundy
Speaker 5: out there to murder them for doing it right. And
Speaker 5: so it's very counterintuitive, and they do that shit on purpose.
Speaker 5: It's very much by design. And it's like I said,
Speaker 5: as soon as like the Zodiac things started to fizzle out,
Speaker 5: Ted Bundy's on a plane to San Francisco, god knows
Speaker 5: what he's doing there, then flies back to Seattle, becomes
Speaker 5: the psychopath that we know he is today.
Speaker 1: And yeah, and.
Speaker 12: Colorado flies around on his own identity, right, and like.
Speaker 5: He's political too. He worked for the Republican Party. You know,
Speaker 5: he was going to law school. And a lot of
Speaker 5: the serial killers are either political or they're military. That's
Speaker 5: something that's a common thread between a lot of them.
Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5: And like the crazy thing about Ted is all these
Speaker 5: girls started going missing in different states, but they couldn't
Speaker 5: quite connect to them, so they ha So all these
Speaker 5: states got together and they had this big conference and
Speaker 5: they were like, we gotta identify this guy before before
Speaker 5: he gets any more girls. And h are you guys
Speaker 5: familiar with the true crime author? And Rule she writes
Speaker 5: a bunch of She's basically like before podcasts, we're cool.
Speaker 5: She wrote books about all these serial killers and shit,
Speaker 5: she's a true crime author. But she happened to be
Speaker 5: friends with Ted Bundy, worked with him at the Rape
Speaker 5: Crisis Center, if you can believe that Ted Bundy worked
Speaker 5: at the rape Crisis Center. And so she attended this
Speaker 5: conference where they're saying, oh, we got to get this
Speaker 5: guy who's taken all these girls whatever. And Ann Rule
Speaker 5: attends that conference and then a couple of days later,
Speaker 5: a bunch of girls I think two girls go missing
Speaker 5: from Lake Samamish State Park and a bunch of witnesses
Speaker 5: say that the person that approached both of those girls
Speaker 5: identified himself as Ted. And the first person to turn
Speaker 5: his name over to the Ted Ed Squad is what
Speaker 5: they called it was Anne Rule. And she keeps popping
Speaker 5: up in Ted Bundy's life over and over again. She
Speaker 5: knows some of the victims. She's oddly connected with the
Speaker 5: Ted Bundy case, and she makes herself famous afterwards for
Speaker 5: writing a book about him, and she just pops up
Speaker 5: and it's real weird.
Speaker 8: And didn't Ted Bundy also escape from prison twice?
Speaker 12: So yeah twice, Yeah, and got airline tickets under his
Speaker 12: actual name while he was on the LAMB.
Speaker 5: So I mean stuff like that. Like, think about this.
Speaker 5: The day that they got the name Ted and they
Speaker 5: formed like this Ted Squad or whatever, it was at
Speaker 5: a beach where they were having a police picnic and
Speaker 5: there was like hundreds of police officers there, but nobody, Okay,
Speaker 5: there was it's like five hundred people on this beach
Speaker 5: and there was at least one hundred of them were
Speaker 5: police officers. Nobody saw anything, and then so everybody turned
Speaker 5: over all the pictures that they took that day at
Speaker 5: the beach, And there were thousands and thousands of pictures
Speaker 5: that were that day of people for all looking around
Speaker 5: and having a good time at the beach. Not one
Speaker 5: picture of Ted anywhere, not a photo bomb picture of Ted,
Speaker 5: not a picture of Ted in the distance.
Speaker 3: Ted.
Speaker 5: It's like, Ted's not fucking there. And both of the
Speaker 5: witnesses that gave his name and said we saw a
Speaker 5: man approaching this person, and they had identified themselves as Ted.
Speaker 5: One person said that he had blonde hair. One person
Speaker 5: said that he, you know, had dark short hair. Like
Speaker 5: none of the witnesses statements were adding up. It was
Speaker 5: almost like they were told to say that. And then
Speaker 5: all of a sudden and Rule is like, Oh, I
Speaker 5: know who it is. It's Ted Bundy. I work right
Speaker 5: next to him at the rape crisis center. She just
Speaker 5: happens to know him. And fucking he doesn't even match
Speaker 5: the descriptions that were given from the witnesses at the park.
Speaker 5: So how is it, I mean, guys, it doesn't make
Speaker 5: any sense. How they know, yes, he was, he was
Speaker 5: and to.
Speaker 2: The Attorney General of the state, right mm hmm.
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 5: They find out wasn't there.
Speaker 9: Wasn't there a claim that some of the girls that
Speaker 9: Ted had I killed or whatever, that they were actual hits,
Speaker 9: not all of them, but some of them, and that
Speaker 9: they were some were hits, but then some were just
Speaker 9: random to kind of make it all look like a
Speaker 9: serial that's exactly.
Speaker 5: What they do. That it was a hit, yeah, because
Speaker 5: I was. That was actually the next thing in my
Speaker 5: notes that I was going to tell you guys about
Speaker 5: is two of them in particular were kept alive somewhere
Speaker 5: for like a long period of time before that they
Speaker 5: were murdered, And that was completely outside the norm for
Speaker 5: all the other Bundy victims. They were always abducted and
Speaker 5: immediately killed shortly thereafter. But there were two in particular
Speaker 5: that one of them was a police chief's daughter and
Speaker 5: the other one was like somebody else high up's daughter.
Speaker 5: And they found out that they had been kept somewhere
Speaker 5: for like over a week, that they had been completely
Speaker 5: drained of blood, and that their bodies had been dumped,
Speaker 5: but they weren't bludgeoned like the rest of the girls.
Speaker 5: And one of the girls that was kept for over
Speaker 5: a week and then totally bled out. Ted was on
Speaker 5: a hunting trip with one of his friends when she
Speaker 5: supposedly was being held captive somewhere and being bled out.
Speaker 5: So that didn't even make sense for him to have
Speaker 5: done it. And yet he goes down as being the murderer.
Speaker 3: Didn't he I mean, didn't he even do some other
Speaker 3: stuff where like he was almost like some Brian Colberger
Speaker 3: type shit. He walked up into like a sorority house
Speaker 3: and just stabbed a bunch of bitches and like all
Speaker 3: in separate rooms and like nobody ever heard anything.
Speaker 5: Now Tallahassee, Yeah, that was the Kyomega House. But think
Speaker 5: about it, Nick, it doesn't fucking fitz Yeah, because he
Speaker 5: would snatch and grab right one single female, get him
Speaker 5: in the car, bash them over the head, dump their body,
Speaker 5: and then he would necro file them. He would like
Speaker 5: to go back to his dump sites and like fuck
Speaker 5: the corpses and shit over a period of time. The
Speaker 5: Kyomega fucking sorority house, he just went in there with
Speaker 5: the fucking club and just started bashing bitches over the head.
Speaker 5: That didn't fit the narrative. He liked to be secretive
Speaker 5: about what he was doing. I'm telling you right now,
Speaker 5: he was probably responsible for a third of the murders
Speaker 5: that have been pinned on him. The rest of this
Speaker 5: ship was random as fuck, and it had to be
Speaker 5: other people because all right, you guys know one of
Speaker 5: the survived Ted Bundy survivors that they always show on
Speaker 5: like doctor Phil and shit. Her name is Carol Durance.
Speaker 5: And he picked her up at a shopping mall and
Speaker 5: like she broke loose from him and fucking ran away.
Speaker 5: All right, so yeah, right, and she's also Mormon. I
Speaker 5: should get he converted. Yeah he did, he did, uh huh.
Speaker 5: But so the the shopping mall where he abducted Carol Durance, right,
Speaker 5: was exactly, I want to say, uh, twenty five miles
Speaker 5: from another abduction site where he supposedly he uh, Carol
Speaker 5: got away, and he went to a school, picked someone
Speaker 5: else up and murdered him because he got mad that
Speaker 5: Carol got loose. But the problem is the timeframe in
Speaker 5: which Carol got away and the second victim was abducted
Speaker 5: was fifteen minutes, and there is no way humanly possible
Speaker 5: for Ted to have gotten from point A, the abduction
Speaker 5: site of Carol Deranch, to point B, the school where
Speaker 5: the other girl was kidnapped. In fifteen minutes. There's no
Speaker 5: fucking way he could do it. And all of the
Speaker 5: witnesses told the police that it was a guy, a
Speaker 5: guy with long sandy blonde hair, that abducted the girl
Speaker 5: from the school. But what did they do? They put
Speaker 5: that on Ted too, and so he's constantly getting murders
Speaker 5: piled up onto him that he couldn't have even fucking
Speaker 5: physically been there to do it. But this is how
Speaker 5: they create this narrative of the serial killer. And God
Speaker 5: only knows who really abducted that girl from the school,
Speaker 5: will never fucking know.
Speaker 7: What if they what if they just bring them out
Speaker 7: on camera and shackles and stuff and they really didn't
Speaker 7: do anything, and then they just they just get to
Speaker 7: go like, uh, I wanted that golfing and like to
Speaker 7: travel Europe and stuff. They need another interview, they just
Speaker 7: bring out he does this crazy little ship.
Speaker 5: You guys, remember in our last episode, I said, I
Speaker 5: think a lot of these serial killers are just actors
Speaker 5: playing a role, because I don't even think that they
Speaker 5: could have been in the position where they could have
Speaker 5: done half of the crimes that they say that they did,
Speaker 5: and Ted is one of them. So going back to
Speaker 5: something that.
Speaker 12: Man, quick, What was that park you had mentioned before?
Speaker 12: The Ted Bundy got some of those victims from there
Speaker 12: in Washington State.
Speaker 5: Smamish, smamish.
Speaker 2: Whatever that is.
Speaker 12: Speaking of Brian Coburger, that's the bark he was supposedly
Speaker 12: had the night of the murders. Strangely, really, I don't
Speaker 12: think he's got a bunch of eyebrows though.
Speaker 5: Well they said found they.
Speaker 4: Found out he did walk up into a house and
Speaker 4: just step muffles.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think Brian Coberger did, but somebody did.
Speaker 5: Somebody did to the the ky Omega house that Nick
Speaker 5: was talking about, where he just went in there with
Speaker 5: a with a tree branch and just started clubbing bitches
Speaker 5: over the head. Right, So in that trial, I'm serious
Speaker 5: he did. The reason they were able to get him
Speaker 5: in the Kyomega Sorority trial is one of the victims
Speaker 5: had a bite mark on their ass. This is this
Speaker 5: was the thing. This is what got him, the elusive
Speaker 5: fucking bite mark evidence. Here's the problem. They later went
Speaker 5: back and admitted that they did not have the original
Speaker 5: bite mark that was found on the victim. They said
Speaker 5: that they had cut it out of their skin, put
Speaker 5: it in a solution that accidentally dissolved it, and that
Speaker 5: they had to go to prison and get molds of
Speaker 5: Ted Bundy's teeth and press them into random dead people's asses,
Speaker 5: hut the morgue and take pictures of it to reproduce
Speaker 5: what they saw on the dead first dead body. Does
Speaker 5: that make sense to you, guys, No.
Speaker 2: Not whatsoever.
Speaker 5: Why would you if Ted Bundy bit one of the
Speaker 5: bitch's asses and you had it right there and you
Speaker 5: could have took a picture of it and compared it
Speaker 5: to his teeth. No, what they did though, they cut
Speaker 5: it out of the dead girl's ass. They put it
Speaker 5: in a solution whoops, just happened to be acid. It
Speaker 5: totally dissolved it. And they go to the prison they
Speaker 5: make molds of Ted Bundy's teeth, and then they go
Speaker 5: to the morgue and they press those teeth into the
Speaker 5: butt cheeks of random dead people. Then they take a
Speaker 5: picture of that. Then they took that to trial and said, look,
Speaker 5: his teeth matched these bite marks. It has to be him.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I would argue these investigators might have some necophiliacs.
Speaker 5: Right what, they literally gave him the death penalty over
Speaker 5: evidence that they created. Right, The fucking trial, So we
Speaker 5: don't even know that Ted Bundy was in the fucking
Speaker 5: house that night. I mean literally, you guys. And so
Speaker 5: the last victim that they penned on him was a
Speaker 5: twelve year old girl named Kimberly Leech. And for that
Speaker 5: to have happened, he would have had it been in
Speaker 5: two places at one time. He would have had been
Speaker 5: in Tallahassee and this neighboring city where Kimberly was like
Speaker 5: pretty much at the same time for those two things
Speaker 5: to happen. And also Kimberly being twelve years old was
Speaker 5: completely outside of his mo He had never murdered somebody
Speaker 5: that young before. It was always like older women, So
Speaker 5: I mean, it didn't make sense to me. Also, Kimberly
Speaker 5: was completely drained of blood, which didn't match any of
Speaker 5: the other victims.
Speaker 9: Didn't They come out in a reason thing that moos
Speaker 9: were not real like people that serial killers always debate
Speaker 9: out of their mo And I have never believed that.
Speaker 9: I think that they, especially like with like genuine serial killers,
Speaker 9: they never kill outside of the racial line, outside of
Speaker 9: their ethical line.
Speaker 6: They always have a signature of some sort or whatever.
Speaker 9: But I believe it years ago that there were I
Speaker 9: guess MBI whatever statements saying that no serial killers debate
Speaker 9: all the time, and I was that it was new
Speaker 9: to me that they were going to incorporate that into
Speaker 9: the profile forensics.
Speaker 6: Forensic.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the serial killer profiling is another syop.
Speaker 5: Actually I think they have. Yeah. I mean, I think
Speaker 5: that they came out with that shit to kind of
Speaker 5: almost throw people off the trail so they weren't so
Speaker 5: they wouldn't be looking for random shit, which I mean,
Speaker 5: look at Henry Lee Lucas, if he really did all
Speaker 5: that stuff, they were completely random and never the same.
Speaker 5: And you know Ted too, and Ted in several interviews
Speaker 5: said that there were multiple people involved. He said that
Speaker 5: he said, there are multiple people involved. I'm not the
Speaker 5: only one doing this, And girls continued to go missing
Speaker 5: for several years after they locked Ted up. And by
Speaker 5: the way, talking about what JJ was talking about earlier,
Speaker 5: what are the chances this motherfucker success fully escapes prison
Speaker 5: twice and then just so happens to like find a
Speaker 5: log cabin in the woods filled with supplies and shit
Speaker 5: that he would need to live for a couple of days.
Speaker 5: And then the second time he just happened to find
Speaker 5: a car, and then a bus ticket, then a plane ticket,
Speaker 5: then a train ticket, and then I mean it's almost
Speaker 5: by design that he's let back out if he really
Speaker 5: is doing this stuff in the first place. But I mean, like, really,
Speaker 5: you guys are talking about ass vampires. I'm not even
Speaker 5: I'm not even going there, you guys.
Speaker 12: I would say, as far as its changing moos and
Speaker 12: the burying ems, but still having a signature, again, I
Speaker 12: think everyone Edwards is a great example of that. He
Speaker 12: definitely killed in various different fashions. He did do lovers lanes,
Speaker 12: you know, shooting them Zodiac style.
Speaker 2: He definitely said so.
Speaker 12: The other thing he did Zodiac style was he would
Speaker 12: set up other folks up for the murders. He would
Speaker 12: build certain cases around folks. He would insert himself into
Speaker 12: these folks lives. He would make he would make a
Speaker 12: fake certificates of psychiatry, set up set up running office,
Speaker 12: set up a shop as a fake psychiatrist, inserted himself
Speaker 12: into folks lives.
Speaker 2: So as far as like folks like Arthur.
Speaker 12: Lee Allen and the Zodiac story like, he did it
Speaker 12: because circumstantially that's actually his mo So that is the Ever,
Speaker 12: when Edward's signature move is exactly that he actually testified
Speaker 12: in some folks trials that he set up like that's
Speaker 12: how deep dude went.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, the the thing is, it's like it's
Speaker 5: kind of like I think some authentic serial killers have iMOS,
Speaker 5: and I think some don't that are working in groups,
Speaker 5: and it's like maybe everybody has their own you know,
Speaker 5: there's a there's a knife guy, and there's a gun guy,
Speaker 5: and there's a a guy that likes to suffocate him,
Speaker 5: and then there's so it always looks kind of like
Speaker 5: random because it's it's different people doing this, you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, Like.
Speaker 12: I know exactly what you're saying. I almost look at
Speaker 12: it like a different perspective. So like and again I
Speaker 12: use everyone Edwards is the mold in which I shape
Speaker 12: a lot of my conversations of serial killers on because
Speaker 12: I've somebody I've studied a lot, you know, after reading
Speaker 12: about the guy, I've done a lot of you know, studying,
Speaker 12: studying the dude, how this dude's existed in life. I mean,
Speaker 12: the guy went on a speaking of you know, like
Speaker 12: Rodney al Kayla dating game serial killer. Everyone Edwards got
Speaker 12: on the show to tell the truth, which and fooled
Speaker 12: most of the folks on there. And this guy was
Speaker 12: a very devious character. So anyway, he you know, as
Speaker 12: far as not, I don't look at it necessarily as
Speaker 12: the weapons used, necessarily the precise manner in which the
Speaker 12: murders accomplished. For example, though the Zodiac wrote about in
Speaker 12: one of his letters how he got his he got
Speaker 12: his rocks off murdering folks, strangling people. Well, yeah, everyone, Edwards,
Speaker 12: one of the murders he got busted for from DNA
Speaker 12: evidence was seemen on a victim's genes that he literally
Speaker 12: got his rocks off strangling this woman in Wisconsin.
Speaker 5: So fucking And that's the thing.
Speaker 12: That's kind of the way when I look at his
Speaker 12: and that in that regard, its not necessarily like the
Speaker 12: precise weapons, but you know that's that's the same kind
Speaker 12: of tactic, right right, That is literally that was the thing, like.
Speaker 1: Mm hm, Bundy, do that to one of them or
Speaker 1: all of them or something?
Speaker 5: Yeah, he yeah, yeah, Robin Williams, there's there's some there's
Speaker 5: actually conspiracy theory about him. I forget what it is now,
Speaker 5: but but so like Ted gets two death penalties and
Speaker 5: he gets put in a cell. Right next to otis Toole,
Speaker 5: who is also a programmed serial killer. So for me,
Speaker 5: that's just like it's almost like a full circle moment
Speaker 5: that they're one of their first projects, Henry Lee Lucas
Speaker 5: and Otis Tool, right, and then all this these other
Speaker 5: serial killers in the middle, and then you got Ted
Speaker 5: who goes on death row right next to otis Tool.
Speaker 5: They're they're like in the same cell block. Like really, it's.
Speaker 2: Just it's weird to me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's weird to me. Did we just slew somebody?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: He had to get going, he texted me, Ah damn.
Speaker 12: Well, what's your thoughts on Henrially Lucas getting clemency from
Speaker 12: George George Bush number two?
Speaker 5: Man, I think they're probably like long lost fucking cousins
Speaker 5: or something. They're probably they're probably third cousins twice removed.
Speaker 12: I swear to you used to cousin cousin Henry's house
Speaker 12: when he was a child.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because because Henry was uh he loved
Speaker 5: the Texas Rangers and ship and it was just you know,
Speaker 5: I don't know, did you guys watch True Detective that
Speaker 5: this show True Detective that first season with Matthew McConaughey. Like,
Speaker 5: think of the ending of that, right, how the guy
Speaker 5: at the end is like cousins with like all the
Speaker 5: people that we're doing all that. That's how I think
Speaker 5: of Henry Lee Lucas. I think he was family. He
Speaker 5: might have been the fucked up cousin that they kept
Speaker 5: in the closet because he looked crazy, but I think
Speaker 5: he could have been related. And yeah, I mean there's
Speaker 5: so many theories floating around out there about like, uh,
Speaker 5: what's her name? Bush Is Crowley's kid, Barbara Barbara. I
Speaker 5: mean I think a lot of are related.
Speaker 10: Man.
Speaker 5: I think a lot of these higher up people have
Speaker 5: family members. And and actually one of the Kennedy's nephews,
Speaker 5: uh murdered a girl named Martha Moxley or Martha Mosley,
Speaker 5: I can't remember her last name. But like just Peter
Speaker 5: to death with a golf club and just nothing ever happened.
Speaker 5: I mean you got to understand, like they will cover
Speaker 5: this stuff up if it needs I don't think enough for.
Speaker 2: I think they finally bust him as an adult. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think they bust them.
Speaker 5: In the Martha's murder. I believe so well, that's great
Speaker 5: if they did.
Speaker 12: Mark Ferrman of all people, was involved in the private
Speaker 12: investigation that helped turn that case over.
Speaker 5: Well, hell yeah, because everybody the Nazi mm hmm. You
Speaker 5: guys want to talk about Gaycy and Dahmer a little bit?
Speaker 11: Yeah, sure, real quick. I just uh, it's the f
Speaker 11: O g C. Lodge that I was talking about. It's
Speaker 11: actually Preemsonic Order of the Golden Centurion they you talk about, Yeah, potentially,
Speaker 11: Like when I was looking into them, they're just there.
Speaker 1: They're Human Sacrifice.
Speaker 11: Saturnying Lodge and apparently they're they're Freemasons too. Oh it's
Speaker 11: an old lit so I'm not saying it's modern, but
Speaker 11: when you look at into what they were doing and
Speaker 11: the types of stuff.
Speaker 5: Sure, guys, did you guys watch Peggy Sue Got Married.
Speaker 5: It's like an old movie. It's got like Nicholas Cage
Speaker 5: in it. She like goes back in time and they
Speaker 5: literally have a hole Masonic. Oh god, you guys got
Speaker 5: to watch it. I feel like I feel like Nicholas
Speaker 5: Cage is into some shit. I really did.
Speaker 4: He's got a movie production.
Speaker 2: For sure, oh for sure.
Speaker 5: But so getting on Gayy, I listened to this podcast.
Speaker 5: It was called The Clown and the Candy Man, and
Speaker 5: it linked Did you listen to it, Nick, Yes? Yeah,
Speaker 5: all right, so you're gonna know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 5: It linked John Wayne Gacy with this huge pedophile network
Speaker 5: and this guy named Dean Coral who they call the
Speaker 5: candy Man. And fucking people want to talk about Gaysey
Speaker 5: having a high body count. I think he had thirty
Speaker 5: three victims, is what they said, Gaysey. Well, Dean Dean
Speaker 5: Coral had twenty seven was it or twenty eight? And
Speaker 5: nobody knows who this guy is. He got all these boys,
Speaker 5: tortured them to death, raped them, and then he buried
Speaker 5: their bodies in his boat, shed twenty eight of them,
Speaker 5: and nobody talks about this guy. And he said he
Speaker 5: told his accomplices that he was part of a larger
Speaker 5: pedophile network that was working out of Dallas, and so
Speaker 5: did John Wayne Gacy. And they actually had common associates.
Speaker 5: Was Philip Paskal. Yeah, So Philip Pasky was working with
Speaker 5: Dean Coral and Philip Pasky was working with John Wayne Gacy.
Speaker 5: And now here's the thing, just like with Ted Bundy,
Speaker 5: there are some victims that are attributed to Gaysey that
Speaker 5: he wasn't even he was fucking out of town, fucking
Speaker 5: miles away when these people got abducted, but yet they
Speaker 5: considered Gaysey victims. And I think that Gaysey could have
Speaker 5: been something like a finisher kind of guy, like where
Speaker 5: these other pedophiles would have their fun and then bring
Speaker 5: them back to Gaysey to finish them, because there's no
Speaker 5: way he could have abducted all of them. He was
Speaker 5: in construction, he was on out of town projects when
Speaker 5: a lot of these kids went missing, And it just
Speaker 5: doesn't make sense whatsoever. It's like you guys were saying
Speaker 5: he was political. He has a picture of himself with
Speaker 5: one of the first ladies. He said that there were
Speaker 5: other people involved, but nobody likes to talk about that shit.
Speaker 5: Just like Berkowitz, there are other people involved. Bundy said
Speaker 5: it too, there are other people involved, but we just
Speaker 5: like it's like literally like we won't hear that. It
Speaker 5: has to be just him. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 5: what do you guys think about. Do you are you
Speaker 5: familiar with this dean choral guy? Oh?
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, I believe it was also a connection with
Speaker 12: those same fellas in a brown of the Yonkers tale
Speaker 12: was son of Sam, the pedophile guy who was running
Speaker 12: kids through Times Square, but was the local camp Yonkers.
Speaker 7: Well, and then there and then there's like the colonel
Speaker 7: guy that's talked about with Gacy. But then there's the
Speaker 7: colonel that's also talked about with the Franklin scandal.
Speaker 2: Michael Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then the guy that.
Speaker 7: Was involved with the Gaysey one lived in Colorado. The
Speaker 7: one with the Franklin scandal lived in Colorado and Buena Vista,
Speaker 7: and he had a house near a place called Elephant Rock,
Speaker 7: and that's all talked about like with the Franklin scandal.
Speaker 7: But then also there's a colonel that's involved with the
Speaker 7: the John Wayne Gacy murders.
Speaker 5: And then you know Paul Banassi, the guy with seventeen personalities.
Speaker 5: He's he's one of the first ones that's identified Michael
Speaker 5: Lochino as the colonel. So I mean, I think there
Speaker 5: are definitely ties there. And there was another guy they
Speaker 5: brought up in that podcast I listened to with Dean
Speaker 5: Coral and John Wayne Gacy. His name was like something Sherman,
Speaker 5: I think, uh, but he had one of the first
Speaker 5: pedifarmen I think John normOn was he the one that.
Speaker 4: Had that's the one that I think that was the
Speaker 4: one that passed.
Speaker 3: He might have connected him with, yes, because they were
Speaker 3: both in jail together Isle Island.
Speaker 4: They were both in jail together.
Speaker 3: And they supposedly, I don't know how truthful this is,
Speaker 3: because this is a little bullsy. They were printing out
Speaker 3: like this their newsletter that they were still Basically.
Speaker 5: It was like a like a fucking catalog for petos.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I know their preferences and all that, like yes, yes, yeah.
Speaker 5: And one of the sons of like a what wasn't
Speaker 5: it like a GM executive was wrapped up in one
Speaker 5: of these pedophilowerings. I mean, you guys, it goes so deep.
Speaker 5: The king and they're all connected.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 4: In that podcast, I was one of the most shocking
Speaker 4: ahead and I.
Speaker 3: Think I may have played we actually when we covered Gaysey,
Speaker 3: we actually did use that podcast to pull some stuff
Speaker 3: out of and I might have actually taken samples of
Speaker 3: the cops that even said if you were to see
Speaker 3: some of the names that were in these things, it
Speaker 3: was you wouldn't believe it.
Speaker 4: That's what they said.
Speaker 3: It was right, people's names. You'd be like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: I cannot believe this.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, Gaysey was supposedly involved in the United States
Speaker 7: Junior Chamber the j's, the j c's.
Speaker 5: And.
Speaker 7: A little interesting is they have for me personally. They
Speaker 7: have an annual party every year called this the Stag
Speaker 7: and supposedly Gasey used those Stag parties to kind of
Speaker 7: like get people in this.
Speaker 2: Group with the cards and everything.
Speaker 5: Well, and then one of the j c's, like the
Speaker 5: one of the higher up guys, Gacy, sodomized his son
Speaker 5: and that was the first charge he ever got. So
Speaker 5: it's like, you know, you hear about how they they
Speaker 5: let they do these things to blackmail politicians and shit,
Speaker 5: and it's like, what are the chances that John Wayne
Speaker 5: Gacy's in this jc's club and then one of the
Speaker 5: fucking guy's kids gets sodomized And it's like, oh, well,
Speaker 5: you know, that was just totally random. We don't know
Speaker 5: how that happened, Like how do you get a hold
Speaker 5: of this kid and for that long period of time
Speaker 5: and then like, I don't know, you guys, it just
Speaker 5: it seems like all of this is so interconnected and
Speaker 5: there's such a spider web and it's it's actually the
Speaker 5: same with uh, the John Benet case, I believe because
Speaker 5: I talked about it with Nick before a long time ago.
Speaker 5: I don't know what was that Nick, a year ago
Speaker 5: or something. There's these larger pedophile rings that operate and
Speaker 5: you know these wonderlate what is it, Wonderland raids. We're
Speaker 5: going down and they found a bunch of people with
Speaker 5: pictures of John Beney on their computer and shit. So
Speaker 5: it's like John Benet's dad was running that Access Graphics company.
Speaker 5: The name itself, I feel like, is a dead giveaway.
Speaker 5: But Dave McGowan links John Benay in with all this
Speaker 5: other shit and program to kill. I mean, you guys
Speaker 5: got to read that book if you get a chance,
Speaker 5: because like, even the chapter on John Benay is fucking wild, dude,
Speaker 5: It's wild, and he pretty much links what happened to
Speaker 5: John Benay in with what happens with all these pedophile rings,
Speaker 5: and a Dahmer is the only one I will say
Speaker 5: is probably an authentic serial killer. You guys can disagree
Speaker 5: with me. I do think he had help, I do
Speaker 5: think he was trained, but I think he's one of
Speaker 5: the only ones that I will say may have been
Speaker 5: an authentic serial killer. And I kind of wanted to
Speaker 5: wrap up with some stuff on dahm Er unless you
Speaker 5: guys had anything else you wanted to add.
Speaker 7: I wanted to add something real quick on the jump
Speaker 7: in a uh, Supposedly there's this lodge or this like
Speaker 7: I guess like a cult group and they're they're near
Speaker 7: where me and Mike live, and there's some rumor that
Speaker 7: that that that her murder is tied to this weird
Speaker 7: like a cult lodge, and it's kind of like a
Speaker 7: really it's like a Blovotsky like New Age kind of thing.
Speaker 7: And then it's it's where the Emerald tablets come from
Speaker 7: and where the Ben Carson guy that keeps talking about
Speaker 7: he got it from this guy and his name is
Speaker 7: like doctor doctor doriel Ooh yeah, and there's some connection
Speaker 7: with Benet and like supposedly Keno and.
Speaker 5: This place, Oh my god.
Speaker 7: Yes, Night's templar.
Speaker 2: Doctor's name. It's A D O R E A L.
Speaker 7: I think it's the Brotherhood of the White Temple.
Speaker 2: Interesting, Yeah, I doe that interesting.
Speaker 5: You guys got to listen to my John Bennet stuff
Speaker 5: that I did. Two I did just like a solo
Speaker 5: episode on it, and then I did one with Nick obviously,
Speaker 5: but uh there that story goes deep and there's a
Speaker 5: lot of information, and I uh, I did think that
Speaker 5: Dave McGowan did a pretty good job in Program to
Speaker 5: Kill kind of talking about what he thought happened with
Speaker 5: John Beney, and it's it's like anything else. I just
Speaker 5: I don't think that the mainstream narrative even comes close
Speaker 5: to giving anybody the truth about that. And she'll probably
Speaker 5: never see justice because that's just how it is. And
Speaker 5: you know, John Ramsey, the dad, his older daughter died
Speaker 5: weird too, so this would have would have been his
Speaker 5: second dead kid. And the little brother, Burke, is all
Speaker 5: but a basket case and they've got his ass on
Speaker 5: doctor Phil and I watched the interview and it's like,
Speaker 5: is this fucking real life right now?
Speaker 1: Dude?
Speaker 5: Like he it's just cartoonish almost watching this guy. And
Speaker 5: and he's like, have you ever read the ransom note?
Speaker 5: You know, when they kidnapped your little sister? And he's like,
Speaker 5: ransom note, ha, and he's like laughing, he's laughing. I mean,
Speaker 5: it's just you guys.
Speaker 1: Ties into a hunter.
Speaker 11: S Thompson too with yeah, I mean that guy was
Speaker 11: up there. He had a golden ticket to do whatever
Speaker 11: he wants. So I have families that lived up there
Speaker 11: during the same time he you kept away from him.
Speaker 11: He had a golden passage, shoot guns, as much dope
Speaker 11: as you could possibly imagine, and there were stars in
Speaker 11: and out of that place, and the rumors of what
Speaker 11: he was doing up there is very dark.
Speaker 5: Dude, have you heard that he raped his cat?
Speaker 1: No? I didn't. I believe it.
Speaker 14: Man, what for sheriff?
Speaker 5: Yeah, dude, that Hunter s Thompson raped his.
Speaker 7: Cat and he ran and was very tied into politics.
Speaker 2: It brings a whole.
Speaker 5: New meaning to get in some pussy's.
Speaker 12: Here's a Hunter s Thompson fun fact. He used to
Speaker 12: be the security guard for the Eslam Institute when it
Speaker 12: first started. He lived on the site there and guarded
Speaker 12: the grounds.
Speaker 5: So only wants to do an episode just on Hunter
Speaker 5: because he's a whole But go ahead, Sorry, no, no,
Speaker 5: go ahead? Finished, No, that's it. Go ahead.
Speaker 6: So some of these, some of these.
Speaker 9: Major characters or players that kind of were instrumental into
Speaker 9: the foundation of Eslon uh, some of the experimentations that
Speaker 9: went on in Stanford and so forth. They all got
Speaker 9: their start in Los Alamos, they were kids of families
Speaker 9: that were dropped there. I believe the actual school for
Speaker 9: boys or something was started by Oppenheim Ramat entirely certain,
Speaker 9: but they they all kind of started the whole you know,
Speaker 9: programming or being indoctrinated there, and then they move on
Speaker 9: to Los Angeles, and then we have all of this
Speaker 9: further indoctrination where most of the kids were children of
Speaker 9: parents who were indoctrinated themselves. What I find interesting is
Speaker 9: a couple of things is so, you know, going back
Speaker 9: to the Kate and La Bianca murders, is that nobody
Speaker 9: ever brings up Frank Sinatra in that Pharaoh, him and
Speaker 9: Mia Farah were on the rope so bad. He wanted
Speaker 9: her to leave Rosemary's Baby and he would show up
Speaker 9: unannounced because he knew that Roan Polanski had a thing
Speaker 9: for Mia Pharaoh.
Speaker 6: And he would remake. He would make Mia Pharaoh do
Speaker 6: the sex scenes over and over and over, and especially
Speaker 6: when Fank Sinatra was on scene, he would do it.
Speaker 6: So he served divorce papers to Mia Faraoh on Rosemary's Baby,
Speaker 6: and the entire Rosemary's Baby theme or whatever is pretty
Speaker 6: much what I guess you could say is, you know,
Speaker 6: Sharon Tate's faith right or so forth. One of the
Speaker 6: things that you look at Frank Sinatra, he had a
Speaker 6: huge following and one of his major major fans was
Speaker 6: a Krina and yet nobody talks about that, you know,
Speaker 6: and how he was absolutely obsessed with Frank Sinatra. And
Speaker 6: then know that then.
Speaker 9: We have a lot of attribute attributing crimes to Aquino Aquino,
Speaker 9: sorry Aquino and Frank Sinatra kind of just like dissolves
Speaker 9: out and the thing. And we had talked like with SFKA,
Speaker 9: how you have these traveling bands and they can go anywhere.
Speaker 6: And however he has ties to the mob.
Speaker 9: There there were alleged, alleged rumors that he was kind
Speaker 9: of a hit guy for other people. He did pay
Speaker 9: for the funeral of Sammy Davis, so he was part
Speaker 9: of these things. And we do know that most of
Speaker 9: these people belong to secret societies, secret societies that have
Speaker 9: all kind of started, whether it was in Europe, but
Speaker 9: a lot of them in California. And one of the
Speaker 9: main interesting things is that if you take I ten
Speaker 9: from Dallas to sent to Los Angeles, you get six
Speaker 9: hundred and sixteen miles. And I believe that is the
Speaker 9: real number of the Beast and right smaximware dab in
Speaker 9: the middle is Los Alamos, and so nobody really may
Speaker 9: those connections. And I always thought that that good that
Speaker 9: you know, it's one of those things that's kind of
Speaker 9: in the periphery.
Speaker 6: You can't really make anything of it, but it's there.
Speaker 6: And so yeah, are.
Speaker 5: You guys familiar with the Lookout Mountain Laboratory at all? Okay, well,
Speaker 5: you know who had top secret secret clearance to that
Speaker 5: bitch was like Marilyn Monroe, Frank Sinatra president. Yeah, so
Speaker 5: it's like you were saying that it is a secret club.
Speaker 5: So do you really say that motherfucker's last name Aquino?
Speaker 5: Is that is?
Speaker 6: I don't I don't know.
Speaker 5: Is it a Quino or is it a Kino?
Speaker 7: Actual potato asshole.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was gonna say I might have been saying
Speaker 5: it wrong this whole time.
Speaker 9: I don't know, but there's something that ties in a Queeno.
Speaker 6: I don't know. I don't know how to say it.
Speaker 6: No me neither that ties into the.
Speaker 9: Whole because how he has the widow's peak, going Mickey
Speaker 9: Mouse into Mickey Mouse, and on Rosemary's Baby she ends
Speaker 9: up getting Druggs by slipp being slipped to.
Speaker 6: Mickey right and so.
Speaker 9: Wearing as well, almost as a nod to knowing what
Speaker 9: happened with the murders.
Speaker 7: And Sammy Davis and a Quino they're both in the
Speaker 7: Church of Satan at the exact same time.
Speaker 1: Bays Ago.
Speaker 12: Absolutely are they a whole rat pack was dabbling and Satanism,
Speaker 12: if you will, and.
Speaker 9: They were all they were all members of secret societies,
Speaker 9: all of the rap pack. It may not be the
Speaker 9: same secret society, but they were all members of a
Speaker 9: secret society for sure.
Speaker 5: That's so fucked, you know, I mean, it's the sad truth.
Speaker 5: But I so that's why I think we should get
Speaker 5: the same group together to go over Laura Canyon stuff,
Speaker 5: because it's so interconnected. I mean, if you're going to
Speaker 5: talk about one, you almost have to bring up the
Speaker 5: other because it's like the Lookout Mountain Laboratory thing. All
Speaker 5: these assholes were had top secret clearance. I've done like
Speaker 5: three episodes on Marilyn Monroe and how she was definitely
Speaker 5: not fucking unliving herself. And it's I don't know if
Speaker 5: you guys have nine to five jobs or whatever where
Speaker 5: you can listen to podcasts, but if you have a chance,
Speaker 5: listen to what I put together on Maryland, because man,
Speaker 5: it's clearly blatantly obvious, just with scientific evidence alone and
Speaker 5: no conspiracy stuff, that she did not commit suicide. I
Speaker 5: don't even have to take it to a conspiratorial level.
Speaker 5: I can just show you autopsy report findings and prove
Speaker 5: to you that she didn't kill herself. So, I mean,
Speaker 5: it's just but they're so good at selling you mainstream narratives.
Speaker 5: I did it on Tinfoil Hat even I went on
Speaker 5: and talked about Marilyn Monroe because it's like, it's crazy
Speaker 5: the amount of stuff that's out there that you can
Speaker 5: find that proved that she could not have committed suicide.
Speaker 5: But nobody wants to talk about that. They'd rather make
Speaker 5: seventeen documentaries about her on Netflix about how depressed she
Speaker 5: was and like, oh, she had a hard life, and dude,
Speaker 5: she is a programmed, multiple fucking monarch. You know that
Speaker 5: she's a sex kitten like that. This is the really
Speaker 5: shit in I just I think that people are just
Speaker 5: fall so easily for whatever they put out there. I
Speaker 5: don't know, I don't know who Tracy Twieman is.
Speaker 2: Look, how about Jane Jane Mansfield.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that's another one. Hey, there didn't Anton Levey
Speaker 5: have like some dedication in his Satanic Bible to Jane
Speaker 5: Mansfield and Tuesday Welled Marilyn Monroe.
Speaker 7: But he put a curse on the guy and he
Speaker 7: didn't he didn't want her. He told her to not
Speaker 7: basically ride with him in the vehicle or whatever.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 7: And basically that was the invention of the Mansfield but
Speaker 7: the man, yeah, the Mansfield bar on trailers for semis.
Speaker 5: Well, I don't want to get too far off on
Speaker 5: a tangent. I don't know how you guys feel about
Speaker 5: the the the conspiracy that Paul McCartney was killed, the
Speaker 5: real one in a car accident and replaced by another dude.
Speaker 5: But they have Jane Mansfield on the Yellow Submarine album cover,
Speaker 5: and there's all this other really weird symbolism on the
Speaker 5: Yellow Submarine. Not the Yellow Submarine. Was it.
Speaker 4: Pepper's maybe Sergeant Pepper.
Speaker 5: Sergeant Pepper. Yeah, where they're all standing above a grave.
Speaker 5: So one of the faces in the background is Jane Mansfield.
Speaker 5: And they do say that the real Paul was killed
Speaker 5: in a car accident, you know, very man Field esque
Speaker 5: and you know, was replaced by this other guy to
Speaker 5: like contest, right, Yeah, and whoever replaced Paul, I approve
Speaker 5: because the motherfucker was talented and he wrote some great
Speaker 5: songs and he did a lot of great work, and
Speaker 5: you know, thumbs up to that guy whoever replaced him.
Speaker 5: But they I did find that interesting that they snuck
Speaker 5: Jane Mansfield in that album cover. You know, it could
Speaker 5: be one of those candy conspiracy theories, but I think
Speaker 5: that it was interesting they included that. But Crowley's on
Speaker 5: that cover too, Yeah, shut your mouth.
Speaker 6: In the background.
Speaker 12: Yeah, he's allegedly Sergeant Peppery rock and roll twenty years
Speaker 12: ago today, that'd have been forty seven versus sixty seven.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: Well, and there's all that stuff about who is the Walrus,
Speaker 5: And we talked about Lewis Carolyn the last episode being
Speaker 5: a huge peto and then you know John Lennon was
Speaker 5: obsessed with him, and they had all this Walrus imagery
Speaker 5: the Beatles did, and the walruses Paul who might be
Speaker 5: dead and replaced by lookalike. So you never know.
Speaker 10: When speaking of like Mansfield, leavey isn't Jane Mansfield Murska
Speaker 10: Hardegay's mother, the actress from Lawn Order.
Speaker 14: Oh you're right from Law and Order, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 14: And like she's a huge Swiftie, Taylor Swift fan, and
Speaker 14: you know who, Taylor Swift looks exactly like cina Ella
Speaker 14: may Els.
Speaker 5: Let's bring it all the way back to the Laurel Canyon.
Speaker 5: Isn't Anton Levey in the cover of Hotel California as well?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, so now we brought it all the way
Speaker 5: full circle back to the canyon my favorite thing to do.
Speaker 5: But yeah, so I wanted to kind of wrap up
Speaker 5: with Dahmer if you guys are down to talk some
Speaker 5: Dahmer really.
Speaker 2: Quick, all right.
Speaker 5: So Dahmer, I think that he was fucked up since
Speaker 5: he was a child. I think that there could possibly
Speaker 5: be tests that they give to children in school and
Speaker 5: shit where they can pick out potential psychopaths. In my opinion,
Speaker 5: because for some reason, Jeff has like weird stuff that
Speaker 5: happened while he was even in high school. Like on
Speaker 5: his senior class trip, they went to Washington and he
Speaker 5: makes some type of like anomalost phone call that we
Speaker 5: don't know who he called or how he got the
Speaker 5: phone number, but he was able to arrange a private
Speaker 5: tour of the White House for him and all of
Speaker 5: his classmates in his senior on his senior trip. He
Speaker 5: knows who he called. Nobody knows how he was able
Speaker 5: to get that set up. But like I said, I
Speaker 5: think jeff was an authentic serial killer. I think they
Speaker 5: had him picked out from an early age. I don't
Speaker 5: know what his connections were. He got some private trip
Speaker 5: around the White House for him and all of his friends,
Speaker 5: and then he later goes on and comes military. And
Speaker 5: while he's in the military, this is something that I
Speaker 5: just found out that a lot of people don't talk about.
Speaker 5: There are two Jeffrey Dahmer victims that survived that he
Speaker 5: was in the military with in Germany. And one of
Speaker 5: them's name is Preston Davis and the other one's name
Speaker 5: is Billy Chapman, I believe, and they both talk about
Speaker 5: getting drugged and brutally raped and tortured by Jeffrey Dahmer,
Speaker 5: but he didn't kill them. And this was all in
Speaker 5: Germany while he was in the military. And the one guy,
Speaker 5: Billy Chapman, he got a rape kit done and he
Speaker 5: went to go get the results of the rape kit
Speaker 5: and said Jeffrey Dahmer raped me and all, oh, sorry
Speaker 5: lost the results. We don't, we can't, we don't know
Speaker 5: where they are. And so these two guys have been
Speaker 5: screaming at the top of their lungs that people need
Speaker 5: to start looking at missing people in Germany from the
Speaker 5: time that Jeff was there, and that they also said
Speaker 5: Florida and somewhere else. He has victims too that have
Speaker 5: never been identified, but they are Dahmer victims, and so
Speaker 5: he started real early. And it's crazy to me because
Speaker 5: not only could there be other victims when he was
Speaker 5: in Germany that we don't know about and two survivors.
Speaker 5: When he gets back home, he's on a whole other level.
Speaker 5: He's like drinking blood bag and he's going to these
Speaker 5: bathhouses and he's going to the gay clubs, and he's
Speaker 5: taken it to an extra fucking level. Like whereas before
Speaker 5: he had killed one guy, it was a hitchhiker guy.
Speaker 5: He took him back to his house and he busted
Speaker 5: him upside the head with like a barbell or something,
Speaker 5: and it cooked him in the oven and fucking turned his
Speaker 5: bones into fucking cat litter or some shit, and sprinkled
Speaker 5: him all over the place. Then he goes to the military.
Speaker 5: He comes out jeff two point zero, and he's on
Speaker 5: some whole other scientific type shit, like, where the fuck
Speaker 5: did you learn this, Jeff? And he was supposedly just
Speaker 5: a medic, so where did he learn all this this shit?
Speaker 5: You know? He was also uh, he had an honorable discharge,
Speaker 5: but they said they they he got discharged for being
Speaker 5: an alcoholic. So I don't know if that's a thing.
Speaker 5: If you can be a raging out alcoholic can still
Speaker 5: get an honorable discharge with full benefits, it seems like
Speaker 5: to me you wouldn't, but jeff did. And it's like
Speaker 5: I said, he gets out of the military and he's
Speaker 5: Jeffrey two point zero. And so are you guys familiar
Speaker 5: enough with this case to know what I'm talking about
Speaker 5: when I say that big barrel he had like a
Speaker 5: barrel of acid in his apartment where he would just
Speaker 5: throw bodies in and let him All right, this is
Speaker 5: something that doesn't make sense, guys. Jeffrey never owned a car,
Speaker 5: never owned a car. Okay, he said he went to
Speaker 5: the store, tell me what store you can get this from?
Speaker 5: Bought a fifty seven gallon drum of acid called a cab,
Speaker 5: loaded the fifty seven gallon drum of acid into the
Speaker 5: cab by himself, didn't spill any didn't nothing, drove it
Speaker 5: back to his apartment, then carried it by himself up
Speaker 5: two flights of stairs into his apartment. But when the
Speaker 5: police came to take the barrel out of the apartment,
Speaker 5: it took two guys in hazmat suits with a moving
Speaker 5: dolly to get it down the two flights of stairs
Speaker 5: stick and get it out of his apartment. So you're
Speaker 5: telling me this guy with no car by himself, and
Speaker 5: the cab driver asked no questions. Apparently he got a
Speaker 5: fifty seven gallon drum of acid from the store what store,
Speaker 5: I don't know, to his apartment, the darkest sort. He
Speaker 5: toted that bitch up two flights of stairs by himself,
Speaker 5: and nobody asked any questions, like, Jeff, what's in the barrel?
Speaker 1: Nobody said.
Speaker 5: Nobody saw him in the hallway like with a rope
Speaker 5: tied around this bitch, like pulling it up the stairs
Speaker 5: and said, Jeff, what's in the barrel? Like are you serious?
Speaker 5: This guy had no car. Also, a couple of his victims,
Speaker 5: they lived like two hours away from where he lived,
Speaker 5: and somehow he was able to walk, abduct them and
Speaker 5: then walk them back two hours by car. Okay, so
Speaker 5: you can imagine what that would be walking. But somehow
Speaker 5: with no car he got them from another city back
Speaker 5: to his city. And like, guys, it's almost like the
Speaker 5: Ted Bundy thing. He couldn't be two places at once.
Speaker 5: And his dad almost has like a gay crush on him.
Speaker 5: He shows up in all the interviews with Jeff. He's
Speaker 5: always taken Jeff's side. He's always saying, what a great
Speaker 5: guy Jeff is. His dad's a fucking scientist. You want
Speaker 5: to talk about, where did he get a fifty seven
Speaker 5: gallon drum of acid? I don't know. Maybe his fucking
Speaker 5: scientists dad that works out a research lab. How about that?
Speaker 5: How about his dad wrote a book and said that
Speaker 5: he's had dark thoughts his entire life and wanted to
Speaker 5: burn a bitch alive and like do all this other stuff.
Speaker 5: And then he's always showing up in interviews with Jeff
Speaker 5: saying like, Jeff's not a bad guy. Jeff isn't that.
Speaker 5: I think his fucking dad was helping him. I think
Speaker 5: his dad fucking brought him the gallon fifty seven gallon
Speaker 5: drama acid and towed it up the stairs. I think
Speaker 5: his dad knew a lot more. Do you remember this
Speaker 5: story where Jeff's dad came over to his apartment or
Speaker 5: his house or something and he said, Jeff, what's in
Speaker 5: the box? And he was like, all, I can't open
Speaker 5: the box. There's a bunch of nudy magazines in it.
Speaker 5: I'll get those nudy magazines out and I'll show you
Speaker 5: the box tomorrow. And he's like okay, and he just leaves.
Speaker 5: What parent, do you know if your kid had a
Speaker 5: locked box under their bed and you were like, what's
Speaker 5: in the box, Jeff, and they were like, it's nudy magazines.
Speaker 5: I can't show you. Come back tomorrow after I've gotten
Speaker 5: rid of it. You'd be like, motherfucker, open this box
Speaker 5: up right now. I'm not coming back tomorrow. There is
Speaker 5: no me coming back tomorrow. Open the box. He had
Speaker 5: a fucking head in the box. He had a whole
Speaker 5: cock and balsa in the box, and they could have
Speaker 5: found out right then what he was doing. But no,
Speaker 5: his dad leaves and comes back the next day after
Speaker 5: he's had time to like get rid of this ship. Also,
Speaker 5: where did he learn all this taxidermy stuff and like
Speaker 5: how to how to like melt these bones down and
Speaker 5: all that, maybe from his dad, the chemist.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 12: Well, wasn't there a crossover with another serial killer in
Speaker 12: the army in Germany at the same time, as as uh?
Speaker 2: I like how we're referring to as.
Speaker 12: Jeff as if he's coming over related for pizza. He's Yeah,
Speaker 12: wasn't Arthur Shawl Cross I believe was also a serial
Speaker 12: killer army at the same time. It's almost like I
Speaker 12: think he was also a medic as well, if I
Speaker 12: remember correctly. See Em and old Jeff were some sort
Speaker 12: of training together.
Speaker 5: Dude, they were in a gay, fucking lover's relationship, is
Speaker 5: what they were. Yeah, Like, listen to me. Jeff said
Speaker 5: he got off by watching The Exorcist Part two, and
Speaker 5: then he would go get victims and then he wanted
Speaker 5: to take all the bones and make an altar in
Speaker 5: his apartment, right right, Well, here's something that nobody else
Speaker 5: talks about. You know how he molested one brother and
Speaker 5: then the other brother he drilled holes in his skull
Speaker 5: and injected acid into his brain. That was a set
Speaker 5: of brothers. Well, there's another set of brothers too, because
Speaker 5: one of the Jeffrey Dahmer victims brothers, after Jeff went
Speaker 5: to jail, was killed in a ritual sacrifice. That's what
Speaker 5: the article says. One of the brothers of a Dahmer
Speaker 5: victim was killed in a ritual sacrifice after Jeff had
Speaker 5: already said all this stuff about setting up altars in
Speaker 5: his apartment and shit. You might think he had help
Speaker 5: from the outside, or he was part of a group, right,
Speaker 5: or maybe his dad helped him. I don't know. I
Speaker 5: don't know.
Speaker 7: He got this may he's got this ship.
Speaker 10: So what you're saying is he borrowed his dad's car
Speaker 10: to do.
Speaker 1: Dude.
Speaker 5: If he borrowed his dad's car, I bet his dad
Speaker 5: knew exist he.
Speaker 4: Stole his dad's notes on how to how to do
Speaker 4: all this stuff too. Welleffre is.
Speaker 2: He's kind of the Forest Gump of serial killers, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5: And he was brutally honest too. He'd be like, I
Speaker 5: went to the bar and I would just pick the
Speaker 5: most attractive guy, and I would take them back to
Speaker 5: my apartment and I cut their dick off, and I
Speaker 5: would like, he would just tell you and grew some
Speaker 5: detail the ship that he was doing right, like.
Speaker 12: It was totally normal, Like he explains like he was
Speaker 12: describing his lunch. Yeah, well, he's living in a he's
Speaker 12: living in an alleyway behind a pizza shop. And he
Speaker 12: reports a dead body that he just found in an
Speaker 12: alleyway down there in Miami, Florida or Hollywood, Florida at
Speaker 12: the same time the Adam Walsh murder which showed us
Speaker 12: which was pending notice tool later. But Dahmer's living in
Speaker 12: an alleyway down there at the same time, and he
Speaker 12: just happens to find a dead body and he reports
Speaker 12: to the police.
Speaker 5: Well, and you know what, the kid that he drilled
Speaker 5: into his skull and injected acid. This he was a
Speaker 5: fourteen year old kid. Listen to this shit. Tell me,
Speaker 5: these guys aren't protected. The cops aren't fucking protected the cops.
Speaker 5: He's got blood dripping out of his asshole, down his legs,
Speaker 5: he's clearly upset. He's fourteen. These two ladies are like,
Speaker 5: there's a fourteen year old kid. Well, they didn't know.
Speaker 5: They said, there's a young boy out here. He's bleeding,
Speaker 5: he's crying, he's clearly been Uh, something's happened to him.
Speaker 5: And then Uh, not only do they let him go
Speaker 5: back with Jeff, they escort him back to the apartment.
Speaker 5: Here's the thing that nobody talks about, and that's never
Speaker 5: shows up in the documentaries. Jeff had two bodies in
Speaker 5: his bedroom that had in there just rotting when the
Speaker 5: police dropped this kid off. You're telling me experienced police
Speaker 5: officers wouldn't have opened up the door to his apartment
Speaker 5: and not smelled that and not known what that was.
Speaker 5: Like literally five feet away from the front door of
Speaker 5: the apartment, there's two rotting corpses in Jeff's bed and
Speaker 5: they didn't anything. They just leave this kid, They just
Speaker 5: leave him. Oh it's a bunch of gay guys, gay stuff.
Speaker 5: That's what gay sex smells like. It smells like dead body.
Speaker 5: Fuck off. Like, there's no way those police officers went
Speaker 5: in that apartment and didn't, like, they didn't smell anything,
Speaker 5: they didn't see anything, they didn't nothing nothing. It's almost
Speaker 5: as if they ran his name and whoever came back
Speaker 5: and was like, oh, it's Jeff Dahmer. Just you know,
Speaker 5: just let it go and they left. Because those two
Speaker 5: police officers, they were suspended with pay and then they
Speaker 5: were later reinstated, because it was almost as if they
Speaker 5: were us fulfilling in order.
Speaker 12: Oh absolutely, and within the police be they wouldn't have
Speaker 12: to tell him not to. They would just they would
Speaker 12: already know that there's that's a building or a suspect
Speaker 12: of you know, some reason to avoid that building, you
Speaker 12: know what I mean, So they would that would be
Speaker 12: common knowledge amongst the patrol beat.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: But with Dahmer's other weird connections as far.
Speaker 12: As like you know, getting some sort of top coverage,
Speaker 12: you know, amongst this whole network, how does he know
Speaker 12: all these other members of these of these cult networks. Right,
Speaker 12: one of his victors, apparently one of his victims probably
Speaker 12: came from the same spot as Gayy righty, Like they
Speaker 12: are common hunting ground, right.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, that's exactly right. And and they were both gay, right,
Speaker 5: Gaysey was gay and Dahmer was gay. And and they're
Speaker 5: getting they're pulling their victims from the same area. Yeah,
Speaker 5: he puts the gay and gay sy But it's like
Speaker 5: it's like Dahmer, listen, guys, he definitely had help and
Speaker 5: he was definitely connected with shit, all right. It's like
Speaker 5: some of the stuff too, you guys, like the Podestas
Speaker 5: having this golden Jeffrey Dahmer victim statue in their house.
Speaker 5: They're proud of this shit. And like, if you were
Speaker 5: gonna pick a serial killer to be proud of, it's
Speaker 5: gotta be Jeff. He was feeding people pulled pork, human
Speaker 5: ass sandwiches. He was like, knock on their door and
Speaker 5: be like, you're hungry, and it would be like a victim.
Speaker 5: And he was like feeding it to people like a
Speaker 5: sick o fucko. And they tore the apartment building down, right,
Speaker 5: they put a fucking park where the apartment, Like go,
Speaker 5: It's like, if you're gonna tear the apartment building down
Speaker 5: where all this stuff happened, and you're gonna put a
Speaker 5: park there. I was telling Colby about it, and I said,
Speaker 5: do you think like Jeff could have opened up like
Speaker 5: a portal to Hell in that apartment? I mean, think
Speaker 5: the things he was doing in there, I said.
Speaker 2: And that's why he lived in that apartment, right.
Speaker 5: But I said, I said the Ghost Adventures should go
Speaker 5: and check out the apartment. And I was like, oh wait,
Speaker 5: they tore it down and they built a park, and
Speaker 5: he said, tell him to go sit on a swing.
Speaker 14: Can go there, right, I was like, I would never.
Speaker 5: When would you build a park there? It's like, so,
Speaker 5: I mean Jeff was like I said, he's said he
Speaker 5: got off watching The Exorcist Part two and he he
Speaker 5: was building altars and ship and he was doing all
Speaker 5: this stuff. So I mean, ask vampires.
Speaker 7: Maybe that's how he's carrying that giant ass barrel and
Speaker 7: running at like thirty five miles in Howard he's possessed
Speaker 7: by some crazy demon though he's like like carry barrel.
Speaker 5: Like like literally, you guys, I don't know where you
Speaker 5: stand on demonic possession and stuff like that. I myself
Speaker 5: am a spiritual person, and I do believe in stuff
Speaker 5: like that. I think it's a very real possibility. I
Speaker 5: think that you can have a demonic possession and also,
Speaker 5: you know, be a programmed killer. I don't think those
Speaker 5: two things have to be separate from each other. If
Speaker 5: there was a case of that, I think Jeff is
Speaker 5: definitely one of them. One of his last victims was
Speaker 5: actually a guy named Tracy Edwards, I believe, and he
Speaker 5: ran screaming from the apartment and he said, this white
Speaker 5: guy said he's going to eat my heart out, And
Speaker 5: that's how he got busted. But what people don't know
Speaker 5: is actually, out of all the victims that Jeffrey killed,
Speaker 5: the one that got away at the end was a
Speaker 5: pedophile who was on parole for raping like a twelve
Speaker 5: year old girl. Out of all the Dahmer victims to
Speaker 5: get away, the one at the pedophile guy at the
Speaker 5: end gets to get off scot free. If anybody should
Speaker 5: get their assay to it was that motherfucker. But no.
Speaker 1: Way.
Speaker 5: I bet he would like it. But that's it. But
Speaker 5: I mean, I could go on and on about Jeff
Speaker 5: That's why I did a whole bonus episode Me and
Speaker 5: Coldy on my Patreon of Jeff Dahmer stuff because I
Speaker 5: could keep going and going and going, and I still
Speaker 5: wouldn't have covered at all. So you know, it's it's
Speaker 5: actually Domer, Justmer. It's a sick name. Just Jeff Jeff.
Speaker 2: I'd watch that show about Dahmer, just Jeff.
Speaker 5: Him, like he seems so sincere and he's so brutally honest,
Speaker 5: and he'll just sit there and tell you gory fucking
Speaker 5: details of this ship and it just makes you wonder,
Speaker 5: you know, like, what's the fuck. Yeah, that reminds me
Speaker 5: of the movie nefarious.
Speaker 10: I don't know if you guys have seen that.
Speaker 5: I don't know if I've seen it.
Speaker 10: No, I highly recommend it. I think you might. You
Speaker 10: might be only able to watch it on YouTube, I'm
Speaker 10: not sure, or in America maybe you can. In Canada
Speaker 10: can only watch it on YouTube. But that's what happens
Speaker 10: when this person on death Row is being interviewed, He
Speaker 10: like switches personalities and then like the demon speaks through
Speaker 10: and he's like so deadpan, like just straight up very honest.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 10: But like you said, Julia, like is zomonic possession? Are
Speaker 10: they separate? No? I think I actually think to be
Speaker 10: a programmed killer, that's exactly what that means.
Speaker 5: I think that they actually have to open you up
Speaker 5: to that to get you to that level.
Speaker 10: The trauma, the traumatization is to open you up to
Speaker 10: entities that can influence your actions and thoughts.
Speaker 5: I don't think that's a basic human action, right, I mean,
Speaker 5: Richard Ramirez pretty much said is as much you know
Speaker 5: that he worshiped the devil and you know whatever. And
Speaker 5: I do think that that plays a big part to
Speaker 5: do with a lot of these serial killers. And you know,
Speaker 5: if we want to do a part three, which we
Speaker 5: don't have to or anything. But I think another interesting
Speaker 5: aspect of we're talking about how the CIA can get
Speaker 5: away with this kind of stuff. A good example would
Speaker 5: be Ruby Ridge and the siegeohn Waco. I mean, they
Speaker 5: can literally just murder people for no fucking reason whatsoever
Speaker 5: and just completely get away with it. So if you
Speaker 5: want an example of that, you guys need to look
Speaker 5: at Ruby Ridge, and you need to look at fucking Waco,
Speaker 5: because if they want you dead, you're dead, and they
Speaker 5: don't even have to have a good reason for it.
Speaker 7: Another another little interesting tie in I thought of is
Speaker 7: Nicholas Shrek. Oh yeah, close to interview all the serial killers,
Speaker 7: Ramirez and Manson and and he's a part of was
Speaker 7: a part of the Church of Satan and then a
Speaker 7: part of the temple is set with a keynote.
Speaker 5: And wasn't he married to Zena?
Speaker 7: Yeah, yep, and married.
Speaker 5: He's married, mm hmm. But I mean that's all I
Speaker 5: got for serial Killers for you guys, I hope people
Speaker 5: learned a lot of ship.
Speaker 3: No, that was good, and that was a lot of
Speaker 3: stuff and a lot of left that.
Speaker 5: Sorry about that, you guys were cracking me up.
Speaker 2: Sorry. The chat is on fire.
Speaker 5: Look at your faces. You were over there fucking it
Speaker 5: was like something is funny. Pros just kept going. It's
Speaker 5: just like, no problem.
Speaker 8: I got this.
Speaker 3: So the people who don't watch the video. Teresa left
Speaker 3: so hard that she actually had to turn off a video.
Speaker 5: Let me just get these giggles over.
Speaker 10: I'm a horrible person laughing about dam or Like what
Speaker 10: what puts you off?
Speaker 4: And you can play the chat.
Speaker 1: The chat is off. The hook to.
Speaker 5: The chat, I only saw like every other comment. I
Speaker 5: saw the ass vampires, but I think I missed some
Speaker 5: other some other ship.
Speaker 10: I have like an ADHD brain, So like you're talking
Speaker 10: and I'm listening, but then I'm also like reading at
Speaker 10: the same time.
Speaker 5: It's like I don't know. Just hey, somebody said we
Speaker 5: ain't coming out Waco. Yeah, dude, they're there, Yeah, right there.
Speaker 5: So there there's a show on HBO. Oh that was Lisia.
Speaker 5: I didn't read the name. Sorry him in Texas. Yeah,
Speaker 5: there's a show on HBO. I want to watch it.
Speaker 5: It's it's really good about Waco.
Speaker 3: All right, awesome, Thank you so much, Julia. If you
Speaker 3: think there's enough stuff to come back for a part three,
Speaker 3: you can just let me know.
Speaker 5: But I mean I think a part a cool. Part
Speaker 5: three might be just just diving into the canyon actually
Speaker 5: just starting all over with the new like two parter.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, you know that don't work. Yeah, then
Speaker 3: you can bring Kobe with you. Definitely, that's gonna be fun.
Speaker 4: Nice.
Speaker 3: I really look forward to that. But thank you so
Speaker 3: much for tonight again. You know, it was a great show.
Speaker 3: That was two hours of a lot of information. We
Speaker 3: went over so many people really, if you think about it,
Speaker 3: you know, even side tangents and stuff and a tunnel laughs,
Speaker 3: tunnel laughs. I highly suggest with the people with the
Speaker 3: video of maybe you can check it out after the
Speaker 3: fact and you'll see some of the things I posted up. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I might take the live down so you don't get
Speaker 3: to see the whole live chat, but there's some gems
Speaker 3: I posted up, like when I was able to breathe
Speaker 3: and I wasn't eleven. But real quick, Julia, let everybody
Speaker 3: know where they can find all your amazing work again, please.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I have again the Cosmic Peach podcast wherever
Speaker 5: you listen to podcasts, and if you want extra stuff
Speaker 5: like the just Jeff episode, you can go to Patreon
Speaker 5: and look for Cosmic Peach Podcast. You'll get all the
Speaker 5: episodes early, you'll get bonus extra stuff. And yeah, so
Speaker 5: I'm always working on I think I mentioned this in
Speaker 5: the last episode we did together. I'm always working on
Speaker 5: many series covering different stuff. Right now, I'm working on
Speaker 5: one on the nineties, the dark dark Stuff in the nineties.
Speaker 4: Yeah, David Lynch did die.
Speaker 5: I bet you cried, didn't you.
Speaker 4: I was upset, though, I was very upset.
Speaker 5: I think Colby was too, But don't get me to line.
Speaker 5: He did tell me to tell you that. But yeah,
Speaker 5: so I got a new mini series coming out on
Speaker 5: the nineties, and I'm trying to feature some clips if
Speaker 5: any of you guys would be willing to send me one.
Speaker 5: I'm still waiting on Nick, but.
Speaker 4: Right I totally forgot. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm just like in Teresa to Lisa, JJ, Thrash, Mike,
Speaker 5: all of you guys, if you want to send me
Speaker 5: just a short audio clip of it doesn't even have
Speaker 5: to be the dark stuff from the nineties, but like
Speaker 5: the most memorable things to you from the nineties. And
Speaker 5: I'm trying to feature a little you know, podcast friends
Speaker 5: in there and just talking about So I grew up
Speaker 5: in the nineties. I'm sentimental about it. So I'm trying
Speaker 5: to make it enjoyable for even somebody who doesn't have
Speaker 5: fond memory memories of the nineties, they'll still want to
Speaker 5: listen to it. And yeah, that's that's what I got
Speaker 5: going on right now.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: That sounds awesome. I actually love the nineties.
Speaker 12: I do a whole series comparing grunge rock to the
Speaker 12: weird scenes inside the Canyon.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, with Courtney Love and Kurt and yeah.
Speaker 12: The whole scene. I mean Alison Chains, Pearl Jam Soundgarden rim.
Speaker 5: I am going to touch on that in this series.
Speaker 5: So yeah, it's going to be one of the last ones.
Speaker 5: And I think I'm actually gonna have Colby come on
Speaker 5: the last episode and talk about what you're talking about
Speaker 5: right now with the grunge it's It's Laurel Canyon two
Speaker 5: point zero.
Speaker 12: Oh absolutely, yeah, yeah. I mean I was a big,
Speaker 12: big mcgallan fan.
Speaker 2: I looked.
Speaker 12: I know, he mentioned one day about how he thought
Speaker 12: there was comparisons, you know, in like an interview between
Speaker 12: the world, there is there is. That was the scene
Speaker 12: I grew up like as a big fan.
Speaker 5: Of mm hmm, yeah, I mean it's a rabbit hole,
Speaker 5: for sure. It's a rabbit hole.
Speaker 4: Definitely.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much for having me Nick. This was
Speaker 5: another killer episode. Working with you guys, it's always super interesting.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, I know.
Speaker 4: That was a lot of fun and it was a
Speaker 4: really good show.
Speaker 3: I really appreciate you bringing that to the Cool Rejas
Speaker 3: this week, and the live obviously loved it. You had
Speaker 3: a lot of fans and that a lot of people
Speaker 3: saying they loved what you were doing, so you know,
Speaker 3: it went over really good.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 3: You know, it seems like everybody enjoyed and that's what
Speaker 3: I'm trying to do. And thank you everybody in the
Speaker 3: chat for making my night and keeping us constantly laughing.
Speaker 3: That was some great stuff in there, and you know,
Speaker 3: some interesting things being edited as well. And that is
Speaker 3: the end of another Occult Rejects and until the next one,
Speaker 3: everybody be well later.