Speaker 1: Shout out Weezer in town.
Speaker 2: Over the weekend, attended Kilby Court with a bunch of
Speaker 2: children that were my son's age and younger, but showed
Speaker 2: up early. Didn't make the Friday night till which apparently
Speaker 2: was the best night. But Saturday, show up at about
Speaker 2: four thirty five hanging out with the youngs, and then
Speaker 2: Weezer plays and the other old showed up, so that
Speaker 2: was nice. You typically will attend to Kilby Block party
Speaker 2: from time to time.
Speaker 1: Were you present at all? I was lucky enough this year.
Speaker 1: I heard from home. Oh you live close enough that
Speaker 1: you didn't have to.
Speaker 2: I heard that concert while I was doing my garden
Speaker 2: last night, so it was actually kind of nice. And
Speaker 2: also Travis Tritt wasn't there. Yeah, Travis Tritt is he alive?
Speaker 1: I think so shout out Travis Trick On a Monday afternoon.
Speaker 2: Tony Parks, what's up, man, I'll tell you what I
Speaker 2: h I finished my Sunday nights the same way all
Speaker 2: the time. I usually prefer to spend it with Scott
Speaker 2: van pelt not literally, that'd be weird, but hopefully it's
Speaker 2: Van Peltz Center and last night hang it out about
Speaker 2: fall asleep and they say top ten plays. I'm like, hey,
Speaker 2: I'll check out the top ten plays. Who doesn't love
Speaker 2: the top ten plays? And then prior to number one,
Speaker 2: they said, let's go to minor league baseball. And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: I wonder if the Bees are involved. Sure enough, I
Speaker 2: hear your voice in the background. And the number one
Speaker 2: play on se top ten was a Bes player making
Speaker 2: a great catch in the outfield.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's awesome. Nico Cavadas, rob's a home run. Nico
Speaker 3: gets traded to this team last year. Middle of the year,
Speaker 3: Red Sox trade him him Matthew Lugo, who's now with
Speaker 3: the Angels.
Speaker 1: Nico comes and he's a part of the team.
Speaker 3: South Bend, Indiana kid grew up dreaming of going to
Speaker 3: Notre Dame, went to games baseball, football, watched Jeff Samarja.
Speaker 3: The whole thing has stories. Scholars, Yeah, good call. He
Speaker 3: dated a girl who lived in the Central time zone.
Speaker 3: He lived in the Eastern, which was ten minutes apart
Speaker 3: because they're right.
Speaker 1: By the ball. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So he has stories that are just endless and are funny.
Speaker 3: And the cool thing with him is I joke with him.
Speaker 3: Your timing is so great because you were always on
Speaker 3: time on accident because you would gain an hour and
Speaker 3: he would be like, no, I'd show up an hour
Speaker 3: early for stuff.
Speaker 1: It was annoying. Right, So, when he's.
Speaker 3: At Notre Dame, a coach named Link Jarrett comes along.
Speaker 3: They're one of the worst defensive teams, flips him around
Speaker 3: to being one of the best defensive teams, and he
Speaker 3: becomes very underrated, in my opinion, defensive player, first.
Speaker 1: Base, mostly here and there.
Speaker 3: But then they put him in the outfield, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: you know what, this guy could play some outfield. This guy,
Speaker 3: and you're watching it in workouts and all of that,
Speaker 3: You're going, this dude's I don't think he's I don't
Speaker 3: think people would look at him and think, oh, this
Speaker 3: is going to be a dynamic outfield player, a player
Speaker 3: in the outfield. And sure enough, yesterday he's out and right,
Speaker 3: I think that's his first game in right, this year's
Speaker 3: play mostly left. Most of the I have to go
Speaker 3: back and look at it. Some of the games kind
Speaker 3: of blur together. But as it's going back, I'm like, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: I think that's going to get out. And then as
Speaker 3: I'm watching him time the leap, I'm going, oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: and then you see his athleticism, his ability to reach over.
Speaker 1: He couldn't have been more perfect with the timing. It
Speaker 1: was awesome.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: It was a great way. They lost yesterday.
Speaker 3: They didn't have a lost like seven to one, but
Speaker 3: that was like a stellar highlight, one of many great
Speaker 3: defensive highlights for the team. But that was so cool
Speaker 3: to call to watch and then to know his background
Speaker 3: which led up to that moment.
Speaker 1: How you know, if at all, how does that work?
Speaker 2: Like, do you guys get a call from ESPN like, hey,
Speaker 2: we want to use this clip. I mean, are you
Speaker 2: aware that you're about to be calling the top play
Speaker 2: on Sports Center that night?
Speaker 3: Or you weren't it in real time like the rest
Speaker 3: of it. I didn't know it would be number one.
Speaker 3: I thought, oh, that's got to be a candidate for sure.
Speaker 3: And what you do is in your tweets and all
Speaker 3: of the communication you hashtag sc top ten and Sports
Speaker 3: Center and all that and so yeah, and I immediately
Speaker 3: because the feed.
Speaker 1: Here's what would happen this year.
Speaker 3: I started saying, hey, look, when we get a really
Speaker 3: dynamic call, let's have a communications situation where we can
Speaker 3: get our call over the MiLB call because they always
Speaker 3: take home the home feed because that would just normally
Speaker 3: be on the home feed and that's short. I was like, no, like,
Speaker 3: let's get our call for big home runs and big
Speaker 3: things like that.
Speaker 1: And so that was a gimme.
Speaker 3: We had a good system and it got processed right
Speaker 3: away and then communicated to Sports Center right away, and
Speaker 3: it just increases your chances for something like that. To
Speaker 3: give love to Cavadis, to the Bees and you know,
Speaker 3: a whole organization.
Speaker 1: So it was cool.
Speaker 2: John Ollinger, John Oliver, excuse me not John Hollinger. He
Speaker 2: writes for The Athletic John Oliver hosts this show called
Speaker 2: Last Week Tonight on HBO. It airs every Sunday, and
Speaker 2: John's a really funny you know, it's a lot of satire,
Speaker 2: it's a lot of political satire.
Speaker 1: But he did last night. He did an entire segment
Speaker 1: on minor league baseball.
Speaker 2: And he had prior to a couple of shows ago
Speaker 2: because he went to Who's this super popular league baseball
Speaker 2: team that everybody crash Rocket City and there are okay, okay,
Speaker 2: he went to a game or something. He was like,
Speaker 2: this is awesome. More people should go to minor league
Speaker 2: baseball games. So he offered on his show to rebrand
Speaker 2: an entire minor league baseball team. He's going to rename it,
Speaker 2: he's going to give it a theme night, and they're
Speaker 2: going to create a mascot. And so last night, I
Speaker 2: think they landed on the Erie, Pennsylvania baseball team. They're
Speaker 2: going to rebrand entirely. But he did this, and it
Speaker 2: was actually kind of cool. I didn't realize he was
Speaker 2: going to do this. He kind of made this plea like,
Speaker 2: if you live in a city with minor league baseball,
Speaker 2: go support these teams because they've done all of this research.
Speaker 2: And as a result of the research, they were going
Speaker 2: to games. They were talking to front offices, they were
Speaker 2: talking to fans, and it was kind of like this
Speaker 2: last bastion of sport that isn't overly tainted with economic
Speaker 2: confusion and capitalists undertones. It's just like a pure way
Speaker 2: to go enjoy baseball. I thought it was kind of cool,
Speaker 2: like and obviously that robrates with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really really does.
Speaker 3: That's why I think so many people who work in
Speaker 3: the Pacific Coast League. Steve and I were obviously close.
Speaker 3: Steve Cloukey and I so many of us that work there.
Speaker 3: That's why it's a clubhouse feel because it doesn't have
Speaker 3: some of those undertones you're talking about. You deal with
Speaker 3: far less of the unnecessary bs. There's always weird stuff
Speaker 3: you gotta dealt, but like, you get to really connect
Speaker 3: with people in a great way, and the fans too,
Speaker 3: and the whole thing. And the fans love the players
Speaker 3: because we know, with the way it works, the chances
Speaker 3: of them being there next year are next to not
Speaker 3: because they're going to go to a different team, or
Speaker 3: go to the Major Leagues or go somewhere like it's
Speaker 3: just you shuffle the deck every year and the roster
Speaker 3: changes so much year to year, so they when they
Speaker 3: get a moment with the player, they love it. And
Speaker 3: then on top of that, the ballpark becomes important. The mascot,
Speaker 3: the trends, the traditions, that the things like that make
Speaker 3: it great. Baseball's already great like that, but when you
Speaker 3: mix it in with something beautiful like what we had
Speaker 3: at thirteen hundred South and West Temple and now what
Speaker 3: we have in Daybreak, like it's you can't beat it
Speaker 3: because it's so special to be around. So I've worked
Speaker 3: in the NBA TV Radio, you know, mc PA. I've
Speaker 3: done all the different arts and worked in different leagues.
Speaker 3: There's nothing like the field of minor league.
Speaker 1: Base tell me.
Speaker 2: And I don't have any data at my disposal with this.
Speaker 2: You know, my sincere hope is that the Millers endeavor
Speaker 2: to bring major League baseball here it comes to fruition.
Speaker 2: I just think it would be so great, and obviously
Speaker 2: through my prism, uh, last night, after getting through you
Speaker 2: know the NBA stuff, I watched Game seven on the
Speaker 2: NHL side, and then some of the Scheffler highlights I
Speaker 2: throw on Mets Yankees subway series.
Speaker 1: My guy Bellinger goes deep, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Grand Slam, Ultimate Yankee Stadium wall scrapers, and I just, yeah,
Speaker 3: just give me the lefty that can hit it, you know,
Speaker 3: just right out there.
Speaker 2: Just give me the lefty that you know can hit
Speaker 2: it two hundred and fifty feet. We're good. But and
Speaker 2: I love that the Mets are good right now because
Speaker 2: Porter is gonna be like, hey, we have a chance,
Speaker 2: and then they don't because they're the Mets. But you know,
Speaker 2: I haven't watched a lot of baseball yet this year.
Speaker 2: I've been NBA playoff centric or whatever. But every time
Speaker 2: I tune into a game and really give it my attention,
Speaker 2: because it isn't a sport that's designed for the twenty
Speaker 2: four to seven house of highlights like you have. If
Speaker 2: you're gonna watch a baseball game, it requires some focus
Speaker 2: and some attention. So it is a different Uh, you know,
Speaker 2: it's a different time in our society because we all
Speaker 2: have computers in our hand, and our intention spans are
Speaker 2: like this. And I noticed it with myself, like even
Speaker 2: if I'm watching a movie, like, wait, this is two
Speaker 2: hours long, I'm just gonna go watch the show that's
Speaker 2: thirty minutes.
Speaker 1: Like, our attention spans are shorter.
Speaker 2: And I don't know what that's done for the bottom
Speaker 2: line of interest for Major League Baseball. But do you
Speaker 2: have any insight as to the health of the sport
Speaker 2: right now? Not just the game that's a great game,
Speaker 2: but at the health of Major League Baseball.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think you look at how you would
Speaker 3: compare it to other stuff like the NFL.
Speaker 1: Clearly it's going to take a back seat. I mean,
Speaker 1: just you.
Speaker 3: It has so many games, and when you talk about
Speaker 3: being there in person, it's a great experience. TV and
Speaker 3: radio is obviously different. It's one of those that you
Speaker 3: have on the background for radio if you want. You know,
Speaker 3: I've always loved one. I'll prep for a game if
Speaker 3: there's day games on, I love my Wednesday Thursday games.
Speaker 3: I'll have it on in the background, like listening to
Speaker 3: different broadcasters, just hearing the sounds of it's it's just nice.
Speaker 1: It's nice to have.
Speaker 3: When it comes to something that you are going to
Speaker 3: attach yourself to. You're not attaching yourself to it going okay,
Speaker 3: then can get out of the sixth inning, we get
Speaker 3: to the bullpen and that.
Speaker 1: No, that's for the playoffs.
Speaker 3: It's just because there's so many games that the attention
Speaker 3: span is not going to be there all the time.
Speaker 1: So it's something to have on, something to have on
Speaker 1: like on a Sunday.
Speaker 3: Night, like you're talking about, right, and so the the eat, sleep, breathe,
Speaker 3: every live moment. In terms of TV radio, I think
Speaker 3: that would be tough to ever compare it to stuff
Speaker 3: like it has with the NFL and things like that,
Speaker 3: but it is healthy. There is attraction to the star
Speaker 3: the game right now. There is attraction to the fact
Speaker 3: that they improved the timing of the game with.
Speaker 1: The clock rules, now and you.
Speaker 3: Can't throw over to first one hundred and fifty times,
Speaker 3: and like now, the game moves a lot better and
Speaker 3: it's actually more enjoyable as a broadcaster. There's some tempo
Speaker 3: now to the game and some feel, which is great.
Speaker 1: You've noticed that.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, it's glaring and I love it. I love
Speaker 3: it a lot, So there's.
Speaker 1: Good to that. But I do think it's healthy overall.
Speaker 3: And I think obviously the revenues look terrific in terms
Speaker 3: of the engagement and the attention to the game, But
Speaker 3: you just know that it's not to the level of
Speaker 3: something like the National Football League and some other major sport,
Speaker 3: and it's.
Speaker 1: Just not and it doesn't It doesn't have to be.
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to you know.
Speaker 2: And on the landscape of the hierarchy, it's probably still three.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: It's probably football, basketball than baseball. Maybe hockey's gained some
Speaker 2: in roads, and soccer will probably always be on the
Speaker 2: outside looking in in this country.
Speaker 1: That's kind of where I've landed on it.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, even though I've asked you
Speaker 2: this before, as somebody who calls all these these games
Speaker 2: says work for the millers and understands the sport and
Speaker 2: understands our market. Are you confident that will support the
Speaker 2: Major League Baseball team should we get it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I am.
Speaker 3: No, very confident because the same reason why they supported
Speaker 3: the NHL, and the same exact reason because I had
Speaker 3: a good friend of mine who's one in Chicago and
Speaker 3: then another one lives in Long Island, and he was like,
Speaker 3: it's not I've been out there. It doesn't really feel
Speaker 3: like a hockey city. I said, it's not. I'm not
Speaker 3: going to lie to you and be like, this is
Speaker 3: a hockey town.
Speaker 1: No, it's not. It's not. People were learning the game
Speaker 1: as the season went along. By the way. It doesn't
Speaker 1: make them less of a fan, doesn't make them not intelligent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just this is not a place where kids
Speaker 3: played a lot of hockey. We can just call it
Speaker 3: like it is. But they supported it because it was
Speaker 3: their team. They love events, and they they are totally
Speaker 3: engaged with this community. So I knew the moment the
Speaker 3: NHL came in, I was like, oh, yeah, they'll totally
Speaker 3: get behind that team. And then, as it turned out,
Speaker 3: they did, and I thought it was great with the
Speaker 3: way that people were able to just say like, oh okay,
Speaker 3: I'm learning about this part of the game. And you
Speaker 3: know what, Nat was never a hockey fan. Tough are
Speaker 3: off sides icing and just like that loved it, big
Speaker 3: Blackhawks fan. Good went to more Blackhawks games than any
Speaker 3: other team in the city.
Speaker 1: It was awesome.
Speaker 3: But for a lot of people here that can be
Speaker 3: the same thing, and it's another great enjoyable experience. Here's
Speaker 3: the other thing. It would own the summer. It would
Speaker 3: absolutely own the summer. So would it sell out every
Speaker 3: game like you would say the NHL, Well, no, you
Speaker 3: have eighty one.
Speaker 1: Nobody sells out. Everybody sells baseball.
Speaker 3: Like that's I love it when people are like, I
Speaker 3: could see them having a tough time selling out every game.
Speaker 1: Nobody does.
Speaker 3: Well, yes, and nobody does. And so you get two
Speaker 3: months of dicey weather. You've got a lot of games.
Speaker 3: But I do think you would see a ton of
Speaker 3: great energy and passion towards it, like you were seeing
Speaker 3: energy and passion towards now the the Utah Mammoth so.
Speaker 2: And summer night's here rule I mean amazing, you know,
Speaker 2: Like that's one of the things I love about the
Speaker 2: soccer experience. And I tease those guys over there because
Speaker 2: they're always like, hey, you come to the game. I'm like,
Speaker 2: is it's seven degrees yet, because I'm not coming until
Speaker 2: it's warm, because I'm not sitting outside in cold weather,
Speaker 2: but a warm Utah summer night out at America First Field.
Speaker 2: Even if you're not a soccer fan, you will enjoy
Speaker 2: the experience. And you don't have to be a baseball
Speaker 2: fan to go sit outside. You talked about the sunsets
Speaker 2: at the new Ballpark last time.
Speaker 1: Grab a hot.
Speaker 2: Dog and a pop whatever your thing is, and just
Speaker 2: enjoy the experience. One more thing here and then we'll
Speaker 2: talk about what you guys have coming up. So Rob
Speaker 2: Manfred has said we are not expanding until the new
Speaker 2: CBA expires.
Speaker 1: The good news is that's next year.
Speaker 2: Yes, So December one, twenty twenty six, the new CBA
Speaker 2: and Major League Baseball expires, and then we'll see what
Speaker 2: they do as far as expansion on the rise. And
Speaker 2: we know the cities, Nashville, Portland, the usual suspects. There's
Speaker 2: always the possibility of the Arizona Coyotes being owned by
Speaker 2: an idiot and needing a new home and suddenly sal
Speaker 2: a kaz hockey.
Speaker 1: There's the Tampa Bay stuff that's out there.
Speaker 2: The A's look like they're going to Vegas, although that's
Speaker 2: not done. What's your understanding about where we're at in
Speaker 2: the process of getting baseball here to our market.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not being a homer with this leader in
Speaker 1: the clubhouse. Leader in the clubhouse.
Speaker 3: And by the way, you know, there's a ton of
Speaker 3: variables that come with stuff like this over time, so
Speaker 3: things can always change. But I think they're the leader
Speaker 3: in the clubhouse because all the circus, all.
Speaker 1: The nonsense is out of the way.
Speaker 3: If you're going to expand, it is the place because
Speaker 3: you have the ownership, you have alignment with where they're
Speaker 3: going to have the stadium, all of the details on
Speaker 3: how they're going to fund it, all the nonsense, all
Speaker 3: the headaches, all the forty seven chain emails, and the
Speaker 3: hour and a half long meetings, bureaucracy. Yeah, oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: the last minute, Oh crap, Hey, by the ways, all
Speaker 3: that stuff gone. And there is something too, having already
Speaker 3: put so many other plans in place to then let
Speaker 3: this be a smooth landing, as.
Speaker 1: Smooth as you can have. Steah.
Speaker 3: Now, the other thing I try to tell people too,
Speaker 3: because think well, how long do you think it would take.
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, you got to remember when Tampa and
Speaker 3: Arizona had their spansion teams, it was four years later.
Speaker 3: They had opening day four years when it was like
Speaker 3: if I remember it was announced, it was like four
Speaker 3: years later.
Speaker 1: That's so that's a gap.
Speaker 3: So it would have to be hey, we're expanding, Hey,
Speaker 3: this is where we're doing it. I don't know if
Speaker 3: it would be four years, but that's what it was
Speaker 3: back then, So that takes some time. The other thing
Speaker 3: is if you expand, so people look at what happened
Speaker 3: with Ryan Smith and the Utah Mammoth. Now, great work
Speaker 3: to quickly turn it around, I mean amazing, Like they
Speaker 3: deserve a ton of credit for that. It was also
Speaker 3: easier that it was a purchased team, right because now
Speaker 3: everything it's not straight turnkey, but a lot of things
Speaker 3: are done in this situation. Where are your minor league affiliates,
Speaker 3: where's your spring training facility? Where I mean there's I
Speaker 3: mean the stadium. Obviously there's a ton of things that
Speaker 3: all come into play with an expansion team, So.
Speaker 1: All right to them before you catch a break.
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Speaker 3: Oh man, I'll tell you what. Like I love with
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Speaker 3: For Like, I'm wearing this polo and this is what
Speaker 3: the old gear. I haven't looked on a new one
Speaker 3: as well. But then all the different hats, that's what
Speaker 3: I like too. So I don't know about you. I
Speaker 3: was never a flat bild guy. I just didn't look
Speaker 3: good in a flat bill hat. I looked like a
Speaker 3: train conductor. I didn't look like a cool train conductor.
Speaker 3: I looked like a weirdo train conductor. So I think
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Speaker 3: any dude that's over thirty five, like wearing a flat
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Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with it. It's just that
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Speaker 2: I just don't look like you have a smaller face. Yes,
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Speaker 3: Yeah, apparently you gotta have a big fat face or something,
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Speaker 3: All I know is every time I put one on,
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Speaker 2: us two weeks in a row. Easton Folster, who's the
Speaker 2: executive director of the UGA, will join us in a
Speaker 2: little bit. Scottie Scheffler was with his third major. Easton
Speaker 2: has requested space to talk about the Knicks he gives
Speaker 2: even though he's a local guy. He's a fan of
Speaker 2: the New York Knicks. But we will talk little golf.
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Speaker 1: So have you had a chance to meet Tony just
Speaker 1: the nicest kid. Yeah, I've crossed pass with a little bit.
Speaker 3: He and I know a lot of the same people,
Speaker 3: all right, crazy, Yeah, but no, I've never really gotten
Speaker 3: to know him, but I know of him, and we've been.
Speaker 1: Around each other before. We know who each other are,
Speaker 1: if you will. Although he who.
Speaker 2: Tony Parks, is that the voice of the Bees, I'm
Speaker 2: sure tell the guy who did the produce.
Speaker 1: Race all those years Tony probably came out to a
Speaker 1: game or two of the ballpark, I would.
Speaker 3: Imagine, Oh yeah, he and his absolutely, But obviously you
Speaker 3: had that great connection with Ron McBride. Yeah, yeah, so
Speaker 3: it just good people that know good people and and
Speaker 3: yeah so I and I've always been a huge fan
Speaker 3: of always.
Speaker 1: Rooted them on. Do you play golf? I don't know
Speaker 1: this about you.
Speaker 3: Do you ever play any golf? Do you watch at it?
Speaker 3: Don't watch it so much. I've got so much going on,
Speaker 3: but like I track it. I keep an eye on it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I like to follow it. And then to me, it's
Speaker 3: always about the who you know. You and I always
Speaker 3: had such odd schedules, so we never golf together, and
Speaker 3: even when we were at the tournaments or whatever, like,
Speaker 3: we would be offset on the timing that we're in
Speaker 3: the air. So but yeah, you'd be the kind of guy.
Speaker 3: I'm not just being nice. You'd be fun of golf with.
Speaker 3: Just hang out, talk with for eighteen holes and joke
Speaker 3: about Britton Johnson for at least three of Oh, we.
Speaker 2: Can do that even if we're not playing golf. I
Speaker 2: will tell you thank you. First of all, I think
Speaker 2: I'm a good time on the golf course.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: If I'm not playing well, I tend to be a
Speaker 2: little grumpy. I have changed my view. First of all,
Speaker 2: there's an economic factor that comes into play if you're
Speaker 2: breaking golf clubs left and right. So my goal this year,
Speaker 2: and I've told my buddies, so I play golf with
Speaker 2: the over under for broken clubs is one point five,
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna give myself grace to maybe break a club.
Speaker 2: My goal is to just not break more than one.
Speaker 2: And so far it's only May. I have not broken
Speaker 2: a golf club yet. But as I started, look, I
Speaker 2: am an aging competitor trying to understand my real lot
Speaker 2: in life. There's no reason to get competitive when you're
Speaker 2: play monopoly with your eight year old nephew. You don't
Speaker 2: need to throw the board. Okay, that's dumb, and you're
Speaker 2: out there to have fun. So I'm just trying to
Speaker 2: enjoy the journey instead of getting frustrated if I don't
Speaker 2: play well. But once I started really honing in on
Speaker 2: golf and like this is fun. I love the challenge,
Speaker 2: and I started getting better. I bought new clubs, took
Speaker 2: some lessons. When that endeavor wouldn't pay off, and I
Speaker 2: would have one of those rounds where I'm like, have
Speaker 2: you ever done this before, clubs would fly and I've
Speaker 2: definitely not a good time when that happens. But I
Speaker 2: am learning, Tony. I'm trying to evolve and be better
Speaker 2: and kind of keep the tantrum to a minimum. I
Speaker 2: uh yeah for me.
Speaker 3: So here's where it happens. You know you're not good,
Speaker 3: you go out there, Hey, you're having.
Speaker 1: A good time. You know it's all good. Then you
Speaker 1: actually start to improve.
Speaker 3: Then you actually see like wait, I'm shut that out,
Speaker 3: like I've I've kind of got that down. Then you
Speaker 3: sit there and waste thirty five minutes in a conversation
Speaker 3: with the buddy talking about how you dropped one perfectly
Speaker 3: on the pool table on six at Nibley or whatever,
Speaker 3: you know, whatever your story is.
Speaker 1: And then I'm going and that was thirty five minutes.
Speaker 3: I'm not getting back, and I really obsessed about that
Speaker 3: more than I should have. And then I go out
Speaker 3: there and start perceivingly regressing, and then I started feeling
Speaker 3: myself get frustrated.
Speaker 1: I was like, don't, yep, don't not worth it.
Speaker 3: You don't have the money to keep up with this
Speaker 3: game anyway, Like, don't, just don't because I don't want
Speaker 3: to spend the money to get the left I just don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, And it's a big time crunch. I mean, excuse me.
Speaker 2: It's it's very time consuming. So it asks a lot
Speaker 2: of your time, it asks a lot of your paycheck.
Speaker 2: It's not a cheap thing to do. But yeah, as
Speaker 2: you start to get a little bit better. The other
Speaker 2: weird thing is there'll be a round where something clicks
Speaker 2: in your head where you're like, I've got to pull
Speaker 2: down with my left I've got to get my left
Speaker 2: hip out of the way. And then you're like, okay,
Speaker 2: I'm doing that and it's working. And then the next
Speaker 2: round you show up and you're like, okay, pull down
Speaker 2: with your left, get your left tip out of the way,
Speaker 2: get the shoulder turn, and none of that works, and
Speaker 2: you're like, Okay, I've got to recalibrate and figure out
Speaker 2: what I have to do today, even though what I
Speaker 2: had to do last week does it's not working anymore
Speaker 2: because and that, honestly is what is addicted me to
Speaker 2: the sport, right, the mental challenge. And I didn't have
Speaker 2: really a competitive outlet because I last played competitive basketball
Speaker 2: in my twenties.
Speaker 1: I broke my leg. I'm like, I'm not doing this anymore.
Speaker 2: So I was like looking for a competitive outlet, and
Speaker 2: that's what golf is kind of okay, has been for me.
Speaker 1: So here's what I love about play by play every
Speaker 1: day is that's what it is for me.
Speaker 3: Uh huh, Like I compete with myself, Like I have
Speaker 3: a vision, I have preparation, I have everything that you know, fundamentals.
Speaker 3: I love the art of constantly an effort or with
Speaker 3: an unquenchable thirst to improve and to just minimize the
Speaker 3: distance between where I am and where I want to
Speaker 3: be more and more every day. That to me, there
Speaker 3: is nothing like that. You wake up with that fire,
Speaker 3: you feel that fire, and then you you know, let's say,
Speaker 3: let's say you had a good day with it like
Speaker 3: you would on the golf course you have a good day.
Speaker 1: Cool thing is you got another game tomorrow.
Speaker 3: Let's say, you know, didn't go quite as well as
Speaker 3: you thought and for whatever reason, just didn't feel right,
Speaker 3: didn't deliver it right, I don't know whatever, you know what,
Speaker 3: got another game tomorrow.
Speaker 2: And I love that about play by play. But if
Speaker 2: you mispronounce the name, you're not breaking your microphone. No,
Speaker 2: I'm not taking off the headste do you miss a call?
Speaker 2: And you're not breaking your equipment? What's the you know what?
Speaker 2: This is a dangerous question.
Speaker 1: Whatever. It's Monday.
Speaker 2: Let's just get asked like, have you ever witnessed a
Speaker 2: local broadcast or meltdown? Yes, you feel like you can
Speaker 2: share it? No, I didn't think so That's why it
Speaker 2: was a dangerous question.
Speaker 1: No, it is trying to see.
Speaker 3: The toughest one was where somebody would be upset and
Speaker 3: you could actually understand why they're upset, and then other
Speaker 3: times it was like, no, you're you're taking it out
Speaker 3: on this person and you're justifying your behavior. The hardest
Speaker 3: part I think in this industry was me saying you've
Speaker 3: explained your behavior.
Speaker 1: Are you excusing your behavior? Well? No, but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so you are excusing your behavior, right, because
Speaker 3: if anybody ever treated you like that, you would cry
Speaker 3: in a corner for three months. And okay, right, so
Speaker 3: you chose to treat them like that because they're.
Speaker 1: Them and you're you, and you knew these.
Speaker 3: People over here don't have the courage to in any
Speaker 3: way rectify that.
Speaker 2: How the slight inkling that I know who you're talking about,
Speaker 2: and just watching the defensiveness, watching the and then watching
Speaker 2: the fear based proposition, it's like, don't, don't, don't, don't,
Speaker 2: but you know what you did.
Speaker 1: It's just because I care so much. No, No, that's
Speaker 1: not it. Passion is not poor behavior.
Speaker 3: You're telling a truth to mask the truth. So let's
Speaker 3: talk about the truth. And that was always like yeah,
Speaker 3: that was always a tough one. But no, but there
Speaker 3: were times where people would be frustrated or mad and
Speaker 3: they're just mad about the situation and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm like no, no, hey, you know like you care,
Speaker 3: you're into it, it matters to you. And in those situations,
Speaker 3: I was always like, great, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Like that to me, like if a golfer's upset is
Speaker 3: mad about the situation, fine, but if somebody's competing and
Speaker 3: they're you know, completely a detriment to the to other
Speaker 3: people and things like that, and then justifying it and
Speaker 3: then couching it is but we're still a team, and
Speaker 3: no you're not. And you're successful in spite of that behavior,
Speaker 3: not because of them.
Speaker 2: Like I always get a kick when I hear like, no,
Speaker 2: it's just it's just overly passionate. Oh so he's an ass,
Speaker 2: that's what you're saying. Like you'll like Draymond Green's overly passionate,
Speaker 2: Like I love Draymond as a player, but when he
Speaker 2: when he when he crosses that line. Passion is not
Speaker 2: an excuse for poor behavior.
Speaker 3: Well, it's it's like, Okay, Michael Jordan slaps Steve Kerr. Right,
Speaker 3: guess what Michael Jordan did owned it? Yeah, he owned it.
Speaker 3: And Phil Jackson also there was like accountability to it.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: So to me, you're going to have emotions, boiler, You're
Speaker 3: going to the big thing is do you take responsibility
Speaker 3: when it happens? And do you and then you you
Speaker 3: have a commitment to improved successful behavior going forward. Right, Right,
Speaker 3: So everybody's always like whenever the well, they'll they'll show
Speaker 3: a coach meltdown on a player and they'll be like, Hey,
Speaker 3: is this good coaching or is this abuse? I'm like,
Speaker 3: is their trust between the two? Because if there's trust
Speaker 3: between the two, now it's coaching because the player knows
Speaker 3: you care about them, and that's why you're also upset
Speaker 3: because you care about them.
Speaker 1: Now there's belief here. Yeah, But if.
Speaker 3: They don't think you care about them, then they think
Speaker 3: you're just putting on a show.
Speaker 1: Then they know that you're just acting out of line.
Speaker 3: Now what you're doing is actually a detriment to the
Speaker 3: team rather than a benefit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there you go. No, I got you all right, Tony.
Speaker 2: When you last joined us, it was last Monday when
Speaker 2: hope was prevalent in the market. That last Monday night,
Speaker 2: we were all going to be gathered around our televisions
Speaker 2: or our radios because we had a live on ESPN
Speaker 2: seven hundred to listen to Mark Tatum revealed that the
Speaker 2: Utah Jazz were going to draft number one overall, therefore
Speaker 2: draft Cooper Flag and therefore bring hope to a market
Speaker 2: in a fan base that right now, if honest does
Speaker 2: not have a lot of hope.
Speaker 1: Where were you and what was your reaction?
Speaker 2: When you heard that the Utah Jazz were not drafting
Speaker 2: one or two or three or four, but they had
Speaker 2: I hesitate to say they had fallen to five.
Speaker 1: Now it was their floor. They couldn't fall any further.
Speaker 2: But if you look at the numbers, they were most
Speaker 2: likely to draft four or five. That's what the percentage
Speaker 2: just said. Of course, the hope was one, where were
Speaker 2: you when you heard the news? And what was your reaction?
Speaker 3: In my wife's salon, we still have a salon in
Speaker 3: our place here, and I was getting a beard trim,
Speaker 3: and I was sitting there and my phone on.
Speaker 1: The yes on the ESPN seven hundred app.
Speaker 3: I had it sitting there, and as I was sitting
Speaker 3: there watching, the TV was on, but it's on delay
Speaker 3: and all that stuff. Anyway, as I'm sitting there and
Speaker 3: I hear on the the app the Utah Jazz, and
Speaker 3: I just went WHOA. And I didn't say well, because
Speaker 3: I was like, it was more that I knew the
Speaker 3: reaction of the fan base knew I was coming would
Speaker 3: be overwhelming and local medium members. I knew it would
Speaker 3: be a massive blow up because the Jazz in years
Speaker 3: passed let's say, like the Darren Williams thing or when
Speaker 3: they fell to six and then they traded. But when
Speaker 3: they fell to six, they weren't trying to get the one.
Speaker 3: I mean they were, you know, they just weren't dealing
Speaker 3: with a great team. So I was like, all right,
Speaker 3: this is the one time, oh you fell, that's unfortunate.
Speaker 3: But they moved up to three, they traded whatever. In
Speaker 3: this situation, they were going all out for the whole thing.
Speaker 3: I mean that this was the objective here. So when
Speaker 3: they went to fifth, I knew there would be a
Speaker 3: reaction of disappointment, a reaction to people being upset. Where
Speaker 3: I just always shake my head and roll my eyes.
Speaker 3: Is the this is rigged, this is fixed, This whole.
Speaker 1: Thing is this and that.
Speaker 3: And I thought, man, way too many years ago, and
Speaker 3: by with the Knicks not being the number one pick,
Speaker 3: way too many things have happened where teams who have
Speaker 3: no benefit to the league to have the number one pick.
Speaker 1: I've had the number one pick.
Speaker 3: I can make far more of an argument that if
Speaker 3: the league's rigging this, they're doing a really bad job.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now that's not to say that there haven't been
Speaker 2: some things where you kind of go, all right, Lebron
Speaker 2: leaves Cleveland, they get one.
Speaker 1: Chris Paul leaves New Orleans, they get one.
Speaker 2: And honestly, look, I think it's intellectually embarrassing to discuss
Speaker 2: the potential of what is literally called a lottery to
Speaker 2: be rigged. Like if you've ever been in any sort
Speaker 2: of drawing, you know the deal, You get your a
Speaker 2: little ticket, you hang out, you're like, maybe I'll win this,
Speaker 2: and then the drawing takes place and your ticket number
Speaker 2: isn't called it's just bad luck. It doesn't mean it's fixed.
Speaker 2: So I have no space for any of that. I
Speaker 2: think the one thing that led to this outcry wasn't
Speaker 2: necessarily the Jazz falling to five. I think it was
Speaker 2: Dallas getting one after they moved on from Luca and
Speaker 2: so I think a lot of people were drawn the
Speaker 2: line like, hey, keep the Lakers relevant, trade Luke at
Speaker 2: LA and we'll take care of you.
Speaker 1: Now that's also dumb.
Speaker 2: But I do think one of the things that stings
Speaker 2: if you're a Jazz fan, it's not that you weren't
Speaker 2: able to get luck to move up and you're at five.
Speaker 2: I think it's your two of your Western Conference peers.
Speaker 2: You're already far behind Oklahoma City. You're already far behind Denver, Minnesota.
Speaker 2: I could keep going, You're already far behind so many
Speaker 2: teams that have good players now and mechanisms to add
Speaker 2: good players later.
Speaker 1: That the fact that the Spurs are able.
Speaker 2: To add the Dylan Harper kid, when the MAVs are
Speaker 2: able to add Cooper Flag. It's two more Western Conference
Speaker 2: teams that now you look at that and you say
Speaker 2: we are light years behind them as well.
Speaker 1: I think that that probably adds to the sting. Well,
Speaker 1: I think it definitely does.
Speaker 3: Like part of this has to be that you have
Speaker 3: to look at yourselves and saying, you know what, whatever
Speaker 3: this process had been, it hasn't gone as well as
Speaker 3: we want. Even if you want to say, well the process,
Speaker 3: you know, the plan wasn't to win yet it's like
Speaker 3: I got it. But while this process is put together,
Speaker 3: what has been the most positive part of this process?
Speaker 1: To me?
Speaker 3: It's Will Hardy six year extension because I think he's
Speaker 3: the right guy. What what is it? There's no identity,
Speaker 3: there's no culture. Okay, okay, you were planning on losing out,
Speaker 3: that's fine, but you haven't. I haven't, and somebody else
Speaker 3: can come on and be like, I've seen this from
Speaker 3: this guy and that from that guy. I still I
Speaker 3: haven't seen enough yet that makes me go, you know what,
Speaker 3: that right there, that here is going to move them
Speaker 3: this direction. I remember in the Queen years, in the
Speaker 3: early Queen years going, Okay, they got something. They're big here,
Speaker 3: and they're defensive oriented, and they've lost nine in a row,
Speaker 3: but they have an identity and there's something moving this
Speaker 3: direction now, okay, And in this current situation.
Speaker 1: I'm not just trying to be critical.
Speaker 3: I know they're doing it differently than Dennis and Quinn
Speaker 3: and Kevin O'Connor back in the day.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying do it the way they did it.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying.
Speaker 3: Throughout all of this, hey, you've garnered a lot of assets.
Speaker 3: I'll give you that, and you I think have the
Speaker 3: right coach right mind. But now it's making everything else
Speaker 3: come together. So when you did this to bet on
Speaker 3: yourself that you were going to get it right now,
Speaker 3: you got to put it to work, and that might
Speaker 3: mean moving up, and that might mean spending more than
Speaker 3: you probably wanted to if it's the guy that you
Speaker 3: believe is going to turn this around.
Speaker 1: But you miss on this pick.
Speaker 3: And you I mean, if you do, if you Dante
Speaker 3: ExHAM this thing, and I'm not saying they will, but
Speaker 3: if you Dante ExHAM this thing, you prolong this process.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the number one thing you have to do is draft.
Speaker 2: Well, Bobby march On earlier and he outlined it perfectly,
Speaker 2: And here's the deal. And I hate to use this
Speaker 2: team as an example because right now they are the
Speaker 2: best example of roster construction under the new CBA, which
Speaker 2: has allowed teams that play in cities pretty similar to
Speaker 2: ours build up. Some really good teams are going to
Speaker 2: be good now and be good for a long time. Now,
Speaker 2: the one outlier can And this is why this exercise
Speaker 2: is a little bit difficult, because you could look at Detroit,
Speaker 2: you can look at Orlando, you can look at Oklahoma City,
Speaker 2: you can look at some of the teams that are
Speaker 2: in cities like ours and we're in places like this
Speaker 2: not too long ago, and try to draw parallels. But
Speaker 2: the one failure with this exercise is Okacshay. Detroit has
Speaker 2: Kaid and Orlando as Apollo, and the Jazz don't have
Speaker 2: that guy.
Speaker 1: I like Lowry, I like Lowry a lot. He's not
Speaker 1: one of those guys.
Speaker 2: He is not a franchise you know, He's not a
Speaker 2: franchise building block.
Speaker 1: He can play really well for a really.
Speaker 2: Good team, and the Jazz could trade him and he
Speaker 2: would start for probably any team in the league. Maybe
Speaker 2: not a fully healthy Boston Celtic team. But you get
Speaker 2: my drift. So where the Jazz have failed so far
Speaker 2: and where these other teams have succeeded. Like Sam Presty
Speaker 2: turned Paul George into Shae and other pieces and a
Speaker 2: bunch of draft capital, the Jazz so far have not
Speaker 2: turned Donovan or Rudy into a cornerstone. They turned Donovan
Speaker 2: into Lowry and some other pieces and some draft picks.
Speaker 2: Of course, they got Walker and the Rudy deal, which
Speaker 2: is a nice piece. But if you're going to move
Speaker 2: off of Donovan Mitchell at twenty five, who's probably about
Speaker 2: to be named first team All NBA, or Go Bar
Speaker 2: at twenty eight, who loves Salt Lake and didn't want
Speaker 2: to leave. If you're going to move off those franchise
Speaker 2: changing pieces, among the things you receive in return, whether
Speaker 2: it's a tangible piece like Shay right away or a
Speaker 2: draft pick later on, you have to find the guy
Speaker 2: that you can build around, and they have not found
Speaker 2: that yet. So if you can turn Paul George into
Speaker 2: Shea and then you have some lean years with him
Speaker 2: as the cornerstone and you can see that he is
Speaker 2: one of those dudes, then all you have to do
Speaker 2: is draft right around him, and then it gives you
Speaker 2: the ability, with some deals you know, to be able
Speaker 2: to bring in and as Isaiah Hartenstein or an Alex
Speaker 2: Caruso who guarded Yokichen Game seven. But they draft Chet,
Speaker 2: they draft Isaiah Joe, you know, they bring in Casin Wallace,
Speaker 2: Aaron Wiggins, Jalen Williams. They knocked that one out of
Speaker 2: the park. So yes, Sam Presty turned Paul George into shea.
Speaker 2: But he also has this crazy hit rate on his
Speaker 2: draft picks. So the problem with the Jazz isn't only
Speaker 2: that they haven't turned Donovan Rudy into a star. It's
Speaker 2: there are legitimate questions about Isaiah Collier and Keyante George
Speaker 2: and we need to see Taylor Hendrick Selti and Cody
Speaker 2: Williams by all the analytics just had a historically bad
Speaker 2: rookie year. So it's twofold, okay. So if we look
Speaker 2: at all the teams that have built, and now we're
Speaker 2: in a position where they're playing high level basketball in
Speaker 2: cities like ours. You've got to start with ants. You
Speaker 2: have to start with Shay, you have to start with kid,
Speaker 2: you have to start with Polo and then build from
Speaker 2: the ground up. The Jazz haven't been able to do that.
Speaker 2: Attendant to it, if we're honest, they have not hit
Speaker 2: on their picks, Tony, No, since Danny, you know, Danny
Speaker 2: kind of took over the reins.
Speaker 1: They just haven't.
Speaker 3: I had a Jazz fan asked me how is it
Speaker 3: the Sacramento Airport yesterday and ran into a couple different
Speaker 3: the Salt Lake residents, but one of them was a
Speaker 3: Jazz fan as well and was talking about the five
Speaker 3: pick and this and that.
Speaker 1: What do you think?
Speaker 3: And I just said, well, they can catch up in
Speaker 3: terms of gaining ground from where they have been up
Speaker 3: to this point. But when they made the wholesale change
Speaker 3: three years ago, I thought, Okay, no, you're turning the page,
Speaker 3: and I'm totally fine with that. I would not have
Speaker 3: predicted that they've made what I would consider very little
Speaker 3: to know for progress. So so for you to lose
Speaker 3: that's one thing but I do not see a ton
Speaker 3: of forward progress. And I know that we're supposed to
Speaker 3: be positive about the Jazz and there are NBA team
Speaker 3: and no, I'm just I'm going to be very honest.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it going.
Speaker 3: I get that the plan wasn't to win, but I
Speaker 3: don't see other things that tell me this is a
Speaker 3: surging direction forward here, here and here. And when I
Speaker 3: when I see that, I say, Okay, you can gain
Speaker 3: ground on that with hitting draft picks and all of
Speaker 3: that and catch up from the distance that I thought
Speaker 3: you would be at. But I am curious as to why.
Speaker 3: I'm curious as to why three years. I mean, there's
Speaker 3: there's really nothing to show for this. We've got a
Speaker 3: ton of assets. Yeah, I know you've had them for
Speaker 3: a while. You know, we've got great draft picks. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I know this isn't your you know, I know this
Speaker 3: is a.
Speaker 1: Really good one.
Speaker 3: But you've had some nice picks here and some selections
Speaker 3: to make up to that point. So you have room,
Speaker 3: you have weapons, you have opportunity. And I still think,
Speaker 3: and some people disagree with me on the Will Hardy thing,
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, I think this guy's magnificent.
Speaker 1: I do. I think all of his principles.
Speaker 3: I think the fact that he wildly overperformed with that
Speaker 3: that team he had what three years ago and then
Speaker 3: two years ago, I mean, that was amazing Spence. And
Speaker 3: then they flushed out and said, Okay, we're gonna bottom out,
Speaker 3: We're gonna do it this way. Okay, But now I
Speaker 3: got to see something in that process that tells me,
Speaker 3: here is the light, Here is the direction.
Speaker 1: Here is the momentum.
Speaker 3: You know, It's like anybody who's gonna go to the
Speaker 3: gym or make a whole major change in their life.
Speaker 3: People may not see it right away, but you can
Speaker 3: feel and see the momentum that's around you based on
Speaker 3: different decisions, you know, different opportunities, different habits. They may
Speaker 3: see them under the surface. I'm just telling them I
Speaker 3: don't see them. And I've watched as much as I
Speaker 3: can and I don't see it. So I'm hoping for
Speaker 3: them that in the near future this can be turned around.
Speaker 3: You nail the five pick, or you move up and
Speaker 3: you nail the pick and then you start really seeing
Speaker 3: some surge go in the right direction.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And as far as just simply being positive and
Speaker 2: believing the messages that are probably you know, it's just
Speaker 2: propaganda coming out of the organization, and you know, like
Speaker 2: I can't roll that way. I can't just call something
Speaker 2: other than what I see. And yes, the organization wants
Speaker 2: you to believe that the rebuild is on track, and yes,
Speaker 2: at times they plan a story where it's like, oh, hey,
Speaker 2: just so you know, we haven't been rebuilding. We've been
Speaker 2: tearing down for three years and now we're rebuilding. That's
Speaker 2: so insulting, Like, no, you started the rebuild when you
Speaker 2: traded away two stars in their prime and a really
Speaker 2: good coach left and a really good roster constructor left.
Speaker 2: That's when the rebuild started. The clock started three years ago,
Speaker 2: not now. Okay, So you can't just propagate messaging through
Speaker 2: you know, team owned media or try to plan a
Speaker 2: story in the d news of the trib and then
Speaker 2: expect me to not see what I'm seeing. And look, nobody,
Speaker 2: I want the Jazz to win as bad as anybody.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I have a dashboard. I keep track
Speaker 2: of how many people listening to which segments and how
Speaker 2: many people listen to which interviews, and when Donovan and
Speaker 2: Rudy and that team was kind of making their way
Speaker 2: through and having a little bit of playoff success early on,
Speaker 2: and then you know, the interest in the Jazz was
Speaker 2: through the roof. A lot of people were listening to
Speaker 2: the NBA segments in a way that they just aren't
Speaker 2: right now. It's better for my business if the Jazz win.
Speaker 2: I'm as frustrated as anybody for everybody, and I can't
Speaker 2: just be positive about something that I'm looking at right
Speaker 2: now without a lot of hope. Because when you look
Speaker 2: at teams with draft capital future ability to add pieces
Speaker 2: via the draft, Oklahoma City's at the top, and Oklahoma
Speaker 2: City isn't just in a position where they're going to
Speaker 2: be able to add pieces in the future. They're awesome
Speaker 2: right now. They should win the championship. Then you have
Speaker 2: teams like Brooklyn. They're in the same spot as the Jazz.
Speaker 2: The Houston Rockets have ten draft picks coming their way.
Speaker 2: They just made the playoffs with a really, really good team.
Speaker 2: The San Antonio Spurs have nine future picks at their disposal.
Speaker 2: The Detroit Pistons are on this list, the Sacramento Kings,
Speaker 2: the Orlando Magic. So teams that are already good are
Speaker 2: in the same area the Jazz are with draft assets.
Speaker 2: So it's one thing to say we have draft assets. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's great. There's a tremendous amount of pressure on them
Speaker 2: to get this thing right this offseason.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now next year is going to look the same as
Speaker 2: this year. There's no scenario. I mean, there are rumors
Speaker 2: about San Antonio two or Affiliate three. Maybe they can
Speaker 2: move up, maybe they can grab another lottery pick. But
Speaker 2: we need to see Taylor healthier. For fair Cody, I mean,
Speaker 2: he's got years to go. Based off what we saw
Speaker 2: last year, I don't know if Keantae George is a
Speaker 2: rotational piece for a good team. Isaiah Callier, you can't
Speaker 2: have your lead guard shooting twenty six from three. I
Speaker 2: like Lowry, I like Walker, and that might be it.
Speaker 2: I think Philipowski showed some things down the stretch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But if.
Speaker 2: The best pick you've made is the one you've grabbed
Speaker 2: thirty two and the chances that you had in the
Speaker 2: lottery in the mid first round you've struck out on,
Speaker 2: it indicates they're still miles and miles to go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the comparisons you make to the other teams,
Speaker 3: I think it jumps out because the first thing I
Speaker 3: saw with The reaction was, they will never help us
Speaker 3: small market tape. Well, I tell you, the Temper Nuggets
Speaker 3: are recent champions, right, and I know they're not like
Speaker 3: small smallmerker right. But the Milwaukee Bucks are resa champions.
Speaker 3: The Spurs won five of them. They put together a
Speaker 3: good run of winning, consistently winning the Jazz by the way,
Speaker 3: in the nineties one it's on more teams. Jordan beating
Speaker 3: the finals came from small markets than big markets. I
Speaker 3: still don't call Phoenix a small market, but I know
Speaker 3: that it's not considerate that in the NBA landscape is
Speaker 3: not but anyway not the point. It wasn't a major
Speaker 3: destination if you will, for NBA free agent and all
Speaker 3: that at the time. So when I look at it,
Speaker 3: I say, no, I think all across the board.
Speaker 1: If you want to say it's all even, it's not, okay.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 3: Some places are probably more wished upon by a free
Speaker 3: agent than say, Salt Lake. But when I look at
Speaker 3: the way teams have been able to build championships, build
Speaker 3: championship teams, I look at the way that they were
Speaker 3: able to do it with culture. I look at the
Speaker 3: way Mike Malone was able to do and I know
Speaker 3: it just got let oh, which is stunning, by the way,
Speaker 3: but how he did it with Denver and I watched
Speaker 3: him in the years where they refused to be consistent
Speaker 3: with defensive habits, then at least weren't terrible in that area.
Speaker 3: Boom put a ring on their finger, Like I watched
Speaker 3: it all come together for others. And there's no reason
Speaker 3: this place couldn't fan support everything you could want in
Speaker 3: that way.
Speaker 1: And it's a competitive league. I got that, and I'm not.
Speaker 3: Saying this team should be in that position now, but
Speaker 3: I did think they would be more along than they
Speaker 3: have been. I did think that they would be at
Speaker 3: a bigger step in this process.
Speaker 1: It has surprised me.
Speaker 2: If san Antonio is willing to move too, or Philly
Speaker 2: is moving to move is willing to move. Three do
Speaker 2: you put marketing on the table? You put Lowry on
Speaker 2: the table?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, if you're gonna bet on that being
Speaker 3: this cornerstone piece to the ultimate future, then yes, yes
Speaker 3: I do. But but with that said, you better be
Speaker 3: ready because if I'm them, I want Lowry, I want
Speaker 3: to swap and I want a future at basement.
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