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<v Speaker 1>CBS suspends former Dallas quarterback Tony Romo indefinitely from the booth.

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<v Speaker 1>JJ Watt to take over. What's that all about in

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<v Speaker 1>the man cave? Part of what we'll talk about also

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<v Speaker 1>chasing a serial killer. When we get to author's corner,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Kate Deliny, But first we swing into the rundown

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<v Speaker 1>here at the top of America tonight. Yea, the Washington

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<v Speaker 1>State fires have destroyed hundreds of buildings and for Spokane

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<v Speaker 1>area residents to evacuate. The evacuation numbers are staggering. Sixty

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<v Speaker 1>seven thousand people under the EVAK orders. About seven hundred

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<v Speaker 1>buildings now officially have been destroyed, a number that they

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<v Speaker 1>think will continue to climb.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean the.

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<v Speaker 1>Fires jumped roads and rivers. It's burned twelve point five

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<v Speaker 1>square miles by Monday night. The sky is filled with

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<v Speaker 1>smoke and haze, which I wish I had better descriptions

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<v Speaker 1>to throw out there. But people are really dealing with

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<v Speaker 1>charged that's covered yards. In some cases you've got just

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<v Speaker 1>a chimney or two that is left standing that wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>lost on this one man who doesn't think his heart

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<v Speaker 1>can take it, and he won't come back.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think I'm going to rebuild here because I

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<v Speaker 3>don't ever want to have to relive a fire coming

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<v Speaker 3>up this hill again.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that's the horrible side of that. And there

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<v Speaker 1>are such an amazing amount of firefighters that are on

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<v Speaker 1>the scene there, spread out across those distances, trying to

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<v Speaker 1>do what they can to contain it. And if only

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<v Speaker 1>they would get more water, if there would be massive

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<v Speaker 1>rain or something that would certainly help, the containment is

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<v Speaker 1>very very low at the point. Meanwhile, there are allegations

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<v Speaker 1>against Congressman Max Miller, and there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans that are keeping their distance as you get ready

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<v Speaker 1>for the midterms. He's accused of abuse, and he says

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<v Speaker 1>he's not stepping a side and the abuse specifically is

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<v Speaker 1>centered around his young child. So the congressman from Ohio

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<v Speaker 1>went to x to address the allegations that he did

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<v Speaker 1>abuse his daughter.

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<v Speaker 4>I have never abused our daughter.

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<v Speaker 5>Before I go.

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<v Speaker 4>Through the facts with you today, understand one thing. Every

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<v Speaker 4>one of these allegations traces back to a single source.

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<v Speaker 4>My former wife. I filed for divorce in August of

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<v Speaker 4>twenty twenty four. That October, she admitted under oath that

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<v Speaker 4>I had never harmed our daughter. Every accusation has come since,

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<v Speaker 4>So ask yourself, what is continuing to change.

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<v Speaker 6>Not the facts.

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<v Speaker 4>There's never been evidence of any kind. What changed, Ladies

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<v Speaker 4>and gentlemen, were the stakes. The first report came thirteen

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<v Speaker 4>days after our shared parenting plan was entered. The next

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<v Speaker 4>one came in February of twenty twenty six, in the

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<v Speaker 4>heat of our custody fight, days before a court granted

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<v Speaker 4>me a protection order against her. Her most extreme accusations

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<v Speaker 4>are the ones that had to deal with child abuse,

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<v Speaker 4>and they frame me as an abuser, timed and every

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<v Speaker 4>time again to our custody dispute. In politics, and not

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<v Speaker 4>one of these allegations has ever been substantiated by any

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<v Speaker 4>court or any agency.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, so we'll see.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't sound like he's stepping aside at all.

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<v Speaker 2>The reflecting pond.

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<v Speaker 1>That is what so many people were talking about in Washington,

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<v Speaker 1>and it continues. Janine Pyro, who is the Piro rather,

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<v Speaker 1>who is the Attorney General in d c. Her Justice Department,

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<v Speaker 1>submitted a court filing heading into the weekend to dismiss

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<v Speaker 1>vandalism charges against sixty seven year old olympian David Hearn,

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<v Speaker 1>saying the Interior Department incorrectly attributed damage in the pools

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<v Speaker 1>lying to vandalism, and that the evidence showed contractor error

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<v Speaker 1>and a botched installation actually were to blame. The President

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<v Speaker 1>didn't like hearing that, and.

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<v Speaker 7>I was disappointed with Janey Pirou, really disappointed with Jannine Pierrot.

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<v Speaker 7>She folded like an umbrella, and people get away with things.

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<v Speaker 7>It's a disgrace.

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<v Speaker 8>But these monuments look better than they did when they

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<v Speaker 8>were originally built, not just a little fix up. We

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<v Speaker 8>made them the way they were plus and everyone's so proud.

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<v Speaker 8>The biggest one of the bigger jobs was not really

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<v Speaker 8>the biggest, limit enough, but one of the biggest was

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<v Speaker 8>the reflecting pool, and we did a great job. So

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<v Speaker 8>now I'm not saying I was one hundred percent thrilled

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<v Speaker 8>with the contractor, but the contractor was rushing.

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<v Speaker 9>We wanted to get it open for July fourth, and.

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<v Speaker 8>We got it done.

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<v Speaker 9>But in addition, there was vandalism, and we weren't necessarily

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<v Speaker 9>thrilled with the contractor, but they did a job and

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<v Speaker 9>they were fixing any problems. But then it got carried

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<v Speaker 9>away because the judge was extremely unfriendly to Janine and Frankly,

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<v Speaker 9>I think she choked because the judge was really vicious.

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<v Speaker 1>What's really vicious is what's happening in seven different states

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to water and cyber attacks. Plymouth, Minnesota

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<v Speaker 1>was one of several towns affected. Here's Michael Thompson, that

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<v Speaker 1>city's public works director.

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<v Speaker 5>When an event like this comes up, where we can

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<v Speaker 5>run in manual operations just to ensure the quality and

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<v Speaker 5>quantity of water is not affected.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, changing passwords getting in that is pretty frightening, and

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<v Speaker 1>the backup systems and anything they can do to lock

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<v Speaker 1>it out. And luckily, it could have been a bigger

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<v Speaker 1>disaster for a lot of these places. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>the red flag is definitely waved when it comes to that,

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<v Speaker 1>no question about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Are we moved to?

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<v Speaker 1>Sadly what happened at in an Altburger in Twin Falls, Idaho.

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<v Speaker 1>At least three people died and seven other were injured too,

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<v Speaker 1>still critically in the hospital. The victims included employees and customers.

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<v Speaker 1>The suspect was identified as twenty four year old Chad Williams,

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<v Speaker 1>who is found dead near the restaurant from a self

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<v Speaker 1>inflicted good gun wound. Rather and one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that happened was there was a good samaritan who was

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<v Speaker 1>grabbed his gun and all what was happening, and went

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<v Speaker 1>after the twenty four year old and that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>shook things up, and he wasn't firing at the cars

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<v Speaker 1>then after that, and there was an off duty police

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<v Speaker 1>officer who also was on the scene, and that probably

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<v Speaker 1>saved a bunch of lives.

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<v Speaker 2>Not lost on the sheriff.

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<v Speaker 10>These people are true heroes in our community and their

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<v Speaker 10>actions diverted the shooter and no doubt saved many lives.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, really scary to hear one woman's description of how

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<v Speaker 1>crazy it was when that unfolded. It was just mass chaos.

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<v Speaker 5>The attention was everybody running from in and out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what are you going to do?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, all of a sudden, there's somebody who just

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<v Speaker 1>methodically is slowly walking, has a long gun, starts to

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<v Speaker 1>shoot and you're in your car, And that's how people

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<v Speaker 1>described it. I mean, just terrifying. Will they find a motive?

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<v Speaker 1>Who knows? There is a search for trying to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out what that is, but so far nothing has come up.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, an update on the Spokane fires, Deputies

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<v Speaker 1>have arrested a man on an arson charge in connection

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<v Speaker 1>with one of the fires. The fire officials say they're

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<v Speaker 1>investigating the cause of all of the fires, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>but at least they have the one and they'll they

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<v Speaker 1>see where that goes, and they.

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<v Speaker 2>Continue to obviously investigate.

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<v Speaker 10>I'm going to the Man Cave.

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<v Speaker 5>I'll go in to the MA Cave.

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<v Speaker 10>Going to the MA Cave.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we are in the Man the Cave, and there

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<v Speaker 1>are a lot of things that are happening.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna get to Major League Baseball scores.

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<v Speaker 1>There's some exciting movements when it came to the trading deadline,

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<v Speaker 1>but we started this. CBS announced last week that Tony

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<v Speaker 1>Romo would be taken in indefinitely following his arrest for

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<v Speaker 1>suspecion of suspicion rather of oh WI while driving in Milwaukee, Wisconsin,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was announced that JJ Watt would be moving

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<v Speaker 1>working alongside Jim Nance and Tracy Wolfson. It's unclear if

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<v Speaker 1>or when Romo will return. Ten years ago, he signed

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<v Speaker 1>he's oh seventy two million, but they these contracts have

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<v Speaker 1>But here we are in training camps, so before you

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<v Speaker 2>Hard to believe, right that we're that close.

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<v Speaker 1>We are knocking on the door of that all right

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<v Speaker 1>trade deadline for winners and losers, And I guess it

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<v Speaker 1>It's like the Dodgers. They can stack the deck like nobody.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course they get the biggest, they got the richest.

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<v Speaker 1>They they just did. And I talked about this a

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<v Speaker 2>But Uh this.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is somebody that when you talk about packing

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<v Speaker 2>The Yankees, they had a bunch of needs.

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<v Speaker 2>And then.

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<v Speaker 1>I think in this whole thing, something that will be

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<v Speaker 1>written about or right, if I was a sports writer

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<v Speaker 1>and I was covering him specifically or covering baseball, this

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<v Speaker 2>I would write about. I think the greatest, one of.

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<v Speaker 1>The greatest players in baseball is on the losingest loser team.

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Trout. I mean, rebuild, rebuild, Well, we'll.

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<v Speaker 2>Do it again. I mean how long does that does

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<v Speaker 1>So, Mike Trout is he turns thirty five this week

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of thin, a lot of thin, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>What are they like?

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<v Speaker 1>They have forty three wins and so this is a

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<v Speaker 1>future Hall of Famer who is on a team that

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<v Speaker 1>really sad situation. I would like to see him with

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<v Speaker 1>has massive a massive loyalty thing too, So I guess

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<v Speaker 1>good for them. He's definitely a fan draw, there's no question.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no question about that. All right, let's jump to

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<v Speaker 2>Can we hear that again? What are the Cardinals doing?

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<v Speaker 2>They're eating their weedies.

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<v Speaker 1>Cardinals blew out the Yankees thirteen to seven. Oh, they

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<v Speaker 1>had been on a terrible hurdle in the hurdling in

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<v Speaker 2>Things have changed.

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<v Speaker 1>Alec Burlson hit three homers and they just completely outslugged

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<v Speaker 1>and outplayed the Yankees after losing the six fron lead.

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<v Speaker 1>So good for the Cardinals. They were able. Here's the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom line. It's about winning. They were able to get

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<v Speaker 1>it done, and they got it done. Yeah, absolutely, so

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<v Speaker 1>good on them. Number fifty six for the Cardinals on

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<v Speaker 1>the season, the Phillies picked up number sixty. They beat

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<v Speaker 1>three the final, Spencer Horwitz hit a three run double

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<v Speaker 1>them again in the opener of a four game series.

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<v Speaker 2>Check this out.

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<v Speaker 1>Pittsburgh has won six of seven games against the NL

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<v Speaker 1>Central leading Brewers this season. So Brewers got to come

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<v Speaker 1>up with some answers. I would say, all right, the Dodgers,

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<v Speaker 1>as I said, who scored so big when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>Wrigley The Cubs doubled them up ten to five final there,

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<v Speaker 1>two and two on a seven game homestand the Cubs

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<v Speaker 1>I told you what happened with Milwaukee losing to Pittsburgh,

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<v Speaker 1>and low scoring affair. Blue Jays pulled that out though,

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<v Speaker 1>three to one. How about the Rays. The Rays are

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<v Speaker 1>the right direction. They pick up number sixty six. Junior

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<v Speaker 1>coming Era hit two home runs. Jonathan Randa also came

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<v Speaker 1>that was a good way for them to start that.

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<v Speaker 1>Tampa Bay was pretty busy at the trading deadline themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>How about the Diamondbacks.

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<v Speaker 1>They picked up number sixty out at Chase Field, knocking

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<v Speaker 1>off the Padres five one. They two are trying to

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<v Speaker 1>go in that right direction. Tim Tahwah hit a three

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<v Speaker 1>run homer and they blasted past them, and they're thinking

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<v Speaker 1>at least NL wildcard position, that's what that matchup would

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<v Speaker 1>be about. The Diamondbacks are two games ahead of San

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, last twenty All right.

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<v Speaker 1>NB eight News, what's really more conversation about the off

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<v Speaker 1>how he vaulted the seventy six ers into the top five,

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<v Speaker 1>and looking at predictions for what is you know, what's

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's one of the predictions for Opening Night anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>because usually the raining NBA champs play somebody pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>Last year, Oklahoma City faced the Houston Rockets in their

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<v Speaker 1>what happens. I'd love to be at that game, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>hang with us. I'll meet you on the flip.

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<v Speaker 2>On the show office corner.

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<v Speaker 1>See well, I am so pleased to welcome to this show,

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<v Speaker 1>Frank Ashley. He is somebody who's had an amazing career

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<v Speaker 1>and has I think helped so many people who lost

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<v Speaker 1>loved ones frankly and also probably has helped so many

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<v Speaker 1>people in warning them what to look out for. And

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<v Speaker 1>when I say that he's had a long career, just

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<v Speaker 1>retired in law enforcement, in fact, he is partly responsible,

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<v Speaker 1>definitely responsible for capturing one of America's most dangerous serial killers,

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<v Speaker 1>Gary Ridgway, who's part of a huge task force. It's

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<v Speaker 1>forty investigators. They work tirelessly day and night. So imagine

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<v Speaker 1>what he brings to the table when he writes a novel,

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<v Speaker 1>A Birthday to Die For because of his background, all

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<v Speaker 1>of that expertise. It's a psychological crime thriller that is

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<v Speaker 1>out there and you can't put it down. You just

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<v Speaker 1>can't put it down. And we had an off air

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<v Speaker 1>conversation that just left me wanting more, and I know

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<v Speaker 1>that all of you will want to hear what Frank

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<v Speaker 1>has to say. So Frank, thanks so much for coming on.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>So first of all, let's talk about what made you

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<v Speaker 1>jump into lawn enforcement in the first place well.

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<v Speaker 5>I was in the Navy when right out of high

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<v Speaker 5>school and in the Navy, I was taking correspondence course

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<v Speaker 5>through LA Police Department, which led me to Riverside City

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<v Speaker 5>Police Department, where I worked for eight years, which also

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<v Speaker 5>was one of the first times I had a confrontation

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<v Speaker 5>with satanic cult situation. But wow, so May one of

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<v Speaker 5>nineteen sixty four, I took the old to be a

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<v Speaker 5>Riverside City Police officer. The oath was to protect and

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<v Speaker 5>though I'm retired, I still feel the obligation to protect

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<v Speaker 5>an active police officer for thirty three years. During that

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<v Speaker 5>period of time, I was a homicide investigator for twelve years,

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<v Speaker 5>during which time I investigated approximately thirty five death investigations.

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<v Speaker 5>And I've also been a supervisor's detective sergeant on the

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<v Speaker 5>Green River Task Force. When I transferred from Riverside up

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<v Speaker 5>I've had the exposure to investigating death investigations for so

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<v Speaker 5>many years. I also included the Green River serial murder

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<v Speaker 5>of Washington. I also was on the sidelines andlearned a

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<v Speaker 5>Turns out she was a psychologist and she had a

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<v Speaker 5>supposed to be sacrificed in place of a baby that

426
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<v Speaker 5>she had miscarried thirteen years earlier. She it appears at

427
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<v Speaker 5>thirteen years When she was thirteen years old, she was

428
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<v Speaker 5>introduced to a Satanic cult by a foster mother. She

429
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<v Speaker 5>was raped by a high priest, and as she was

430
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<v Speaker 5>held down by other members of the cult, she delivered

431
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<v Speaker 5>a baby, only to have it the miscarried, and therefore

432
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<v Speaker 5>she was threatened by the high priest that shot her

433
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<v Speaker 5>twenty sixth birthday thirteen years later she would take the

434
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<v Speaker 5>place of her baby.

435
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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

436
00:27:32.920 --> 00:27:35.200
<v Speaker 1>Wow, So Frank you get that call?

437
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<v Speaker 2>What do you do?

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<v Speaker 5>Well? It was first I had my doubts. I asked

439
00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:47.880
<v Speaker 5>the doctor did she recorded any of her sessions with

440
00:27:47.920 --> 00:27:52.599
<v Speaker 5>their patient, and she had, so she agreed to show

441
00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:54.640
<v Speaker 5>it to me. So I went to her office and

442
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<v Speaker 5>watched one of the sessions and even COMPLI kate the

443
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<v Speaker 5>issue even more. As I'm watching this woman on a

444
00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:08.319
<v Speaker 5>seat on the coutle, her legs tucked up under her

445
00:28:09.279 --> 00:28:14.279
<v Speaker 5>as she talked, it sounded like her voice changed three

446
00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:19.759
<v Speaker 5>different times. And as I got more into the interview,

447
00:28:19.839 --> 00:28:24.119
<v Speaker 5>I could tell that there were three different personalities, and

448
00:28:24.160 --> 00:28:29.119
<v Speaker 5>that was confirmed by the doctor. What was confusing was

449
00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:32.720
<v Speaker 5>the one personality that seemed to be the dominant one

450
00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:35.559
<v Speaker 5>seemed to be just like I was talking to the

451
00:28:35.640 --> 00:28:39.799
<v Speaker 5>victim and getting a straight story. But then another personality

452
00:28:39.839 --> 00:28:42.279
<v Speaker 5>would pop in and call the first personality a liar.

453
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<v Speaker 5>And then the third personality was the peacekeeper between these

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<v Speaker 5>other two personalities. So the confusion was quite rapid in

455
00:28:51.920 --> 00:28:58.640
<v Speaker 5>this investigation, and it wasn't helping me dispelled my skepticism

456
00:28:59.119 --> 00:29:05.079
<v Speaker 5>regarding the the story I was but I could not

457
00:29:05.240 --> 00:29:10.480
<v Speaker 5>ignore it. It was it was too risky. The woman

458
00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:12.920
<v Speaker 5>is saying she's going to be killed in about three weeks.

459
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<v Speaker 5>Time is running short. And if I'm going to say

460
00:29:16.640 --> 00:29:19.319
<v Speaker 5>this scal I've got to solve it. I've got to

461
00:29:19.359 --> 00:29:24.480
<v Speaker 5>identify the cult members. So it was quite confusing. I

462
00:29:24.559 --> 00:29:27.680
<v Speaker 5>had the pressure of that had the pressure of the

463
00:29:27.799 --> 00:29:32.440
<v Speaker 5>multiple personalities, and I had to work out a code

464
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<v Speaker 5>system with the doctor to realize which personality I was

465
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<v Speaker 5>talking to at the time, and I was done by

466
00:29:40.519 --> 00:29:42.839
<v Speaker 5>holding up one, two, or three fingers to tell us

467
00:29:42.880 --> 00:29:43.680
<v Speaker 5>which one it was.

468
00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:45.519
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

469
00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:49.599
<v Speaker 5>Wow. So I had the pressure was on me because

470
00:29:50.200 --> 00:29:54.359
<v Speaker 5>my experience was always you know, investigating the homicides of

471
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<v Speaker 5>our people were already dead. Now I've got a walking victim.

472
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<v Speaker 5>If I don't saw this case within the three week period,

473
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<v Speaker 5>there's a strong likelihood she's going to be dead as well.

474
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<v Speaker 5>So the pressure was on. And as I got into

475
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<v Speaker 5>the investigation, I realized there was nobody I could trust.

476
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<v Speaker 5>I didn't know there were so many people in our

477
00:30:19.880 --> 00:30:24.640
<v Speaker 5>society that tended to lean that way. I was afraid

478
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<v Speaker 5>to talk to just anybody because if they did, they

479
00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:32.720
<v Speaker 5>could maybe talk to somebody from the occult themselves and

480
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<v Speaker 5>they would find out where this young woman was at.

481
00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:39.400
<v Speaker 5>So I had to worry about that. So the challenge

482
00:30:39.519 --> 00:30:41.279
<v Speaker 5>was was to keep her alive while I tried to

483
00:30:41.319 --> 00:30:48.400
<v Speaker 5>identify the cult members. And as I went, as I

484
00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:52.920
<v Speaker 5>identified certain witnesses, like the foster parent that had introduced her,

485
00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:56.680
<v Speaker 5>I only found out that she was dead as well.

486
00:30:57.079 --> 00:31:03.039
<v Speaker 5>She had been sacrificed. Witnesses were either dying or disappearing

487
00:31:03.079 --> 00:31:06.839
<v Speaker 5>on me. So I was the investigator was even complicated more.

488
00:31:06.680 --> 00:31:10.359
<v Speaker 1>So well, and you had to be worried about a

489
00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:12.400
<v Speaker 1>couple of things too, because now it starts to get

490
00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:17.359
<v Speaker 1>out there and you were investigating this, and what about

491
00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:20.839
<v Speaker 1>your wife's safety? What about the psychologist's safety? So that

492
00:31:20.960 --> 00:31:23.759
<v Speaker 1>was even more pressure, right, yes.

493
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<v Speaker 5>It was because what happened is during the investigation, the

494
00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:31.119
<v Speaker 5>doctor's office had been burglarized and the only thing that

495
00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:36.319
<v Speaker 5>had been disturbed was the file on the victim. So

496
00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:40.160
<v Speaker 5>it was obvious that they call was trying to locate her.

497
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<v Speaker 5>And they also the file revealed that I was the

498
00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:49.759
<v Speaker 5>investigator the doctor even though she was reluctant to do so,

499
00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:55.240
<v Speaker 5>and shared that there with me. Is the fact that

500
00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:59.000
<v Speaker 5>she was violating the doctor patient confidentiality by bringing me

501
00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:03.359
<v Speaker 5>into the investigator. But she had done so because she

502
00:32:03.519 --> 00:32:06.400
<v Speaker 5>sincerely believed what the patient was telling her and she

503
00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:11.680
<v Speaker 5>didn't have the ability to save her life without some help. Yeah.

504
00:32:11.880 --> 00:32:16.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the good news is that this ends on a

505
00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:17.599
<v Speaker 1>happy note, so to speak.

506
00:32:17.960 --> 00:32:19.759
<v Speaker 2>But how did you pull apart?

507
00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:22.880
<v Speaker 1>Like just knowing so much that you had learned back

508
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:26.160
<v Speaker 1>in those Riverside days about the occult that had to

509
00:32:26.440 --> 00:32:29.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, and sacrifices, it's real, and that had to

510
00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:32.359
<v Speaker 1>help you in solving this, right, it did.

511
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<v Speaker 5>I had a lot of help from a detective from

512
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<v Speaker 5>La Police Department. He was assigned to work these type

513
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<v Speaker 5>of cases specifically, and he gave me heads up on

514
00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:45.680
<v Speaker 5>what to look for that he told me to one

515
00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:51.160
<v Speaker 5>of the things pay attention to any reports of animal abuse.

516
00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:57.880
<v Speaker 5>One of the ceremonies included taking the testicles off of

517
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<v Speaker 5>a bull or a horse and using that in some

518
00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:06.119
<v Speaker 5>type of ceremony. And so that was and there were

519
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<v Speaker 5>a couple of those done in the King County area

520
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<v Speaker 5>where I was working. And when I got involved with

521
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<v Speaker 5>this detective from LAPD was after I was on patrol

522
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<v Speaker 5>and Riverside when a door to a church had been

523
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<v Speaker 5>chopped down and as I put into it, I had

524
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<v Speaker 5>another officer by the name al Cox, helped me out.

525
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<v Speaker 5>We went into the church. We couldn't turn the lights

526
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<v Speaker 5>on because we didn't know where the switches were at.

527
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<v Speaker 5>We just had our flashlights and we're walking down both

528
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<v Speaker 5>sides of the church. The church had a velvet colored curtain,

529
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<v Speaker 5>almost like rug material, hanging from the ceiling to the

530
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<v Speaker 5>floor on each wall. And as we walked down there,

531
00:33:55.319 --> 00:33:58.599
<v Speaker 5>I noticed with my flashlights and toes sticking out from

532
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<v Speaker 5>under the curtain. As I signaled on the scene with

533
00:34:02.519 --> 00:34:06.680
<v Speaker 5>my flashlight, my al Cox, my money came over. We

534
00:34:06.759 --> 00:34:08.679
<v Speaker 5>pulled the curtain back. The guy was standing there with

535
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<v Speaker 5>an axe over his head ready to come down on us.

536
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<v Speaker 2>Ah.

537
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<v Speaker 5>So we had a big fight with him in there,

538
00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:18.639
<v Speaker 5>disarming and that knocked over several pews in the church.

539
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<v Speaker 5>That We took him into custody, but I had to

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<v Speaker 5>book him in jail on a John Doe because he

541
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<v Speaker 5>had no identification on him. Two days later I've notified

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<v Speaker 5>that he's dead. He killed himself in the jail.

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<v Speaker 1>More with Frank actually here on author's corner on the

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<v Speaker 1>We're back with Frank. Actually, Frank, that's the first time

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<v Speaker 1>you dealt with anything like that, right.

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<v Speaker 5>That was my first contact with anything dealing with Satanic worship. Wow. Wow,

596
00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:12.639
<v Speaker 5>all the other homicide things that I had had and

597
00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:15.079
<v Speaker 5>then this year I get this thing on the Satanic cult.

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<v Speaker 5>It kind of blew my mind. I had to I

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<v Speaker 5>had to share this fellow detectives throughout the wherever I could,

600
00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:27.559
<v Speaker 5>needed to give them my heads up that this might

601
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<v Speaker 5>be something they might run into some of their death investigations.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>I also I also wanted to alert the citizens who

604
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<v Speaker 5>read my book that there is that possibility, because it

605
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<v Speaker 5>would be surprised how prevalent that is in our society

606
00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:48.079
<v Speaker 5>today throughout the world as a matter of fact. But

607
00:38:48.159 --> 00:38:54.000
<v Speaker 5>the investigation pursued and I worked out several situations with

608
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<v Speaker 5>the doctor and ways to hide out to victim so

609
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<v Speaker 5>to protect her, and I had the fellow officers now

610
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<v Speaker 5>that I had gone back in years with who I

611
00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:08.119
<v Speaker 5>knew were good and they helped me. Also, we did

612
00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:11.000
<v Speaker 5>bring the case to the close. I did. I identify

613
00:39:11.159 --> 00:39:17.960
<v Speaker 5>the the occult members and bought the thing to a close.

614
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<v Speaker 5>But when I made the arrest of the booking and

615
00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:28.880
<v Speaker 5>stuff like that in my detective car heading home, and

616
00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:32.199
<v Speaker 5>I got to thinking about it. This victim had been

617
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<v Speaker 5>living thirteen years, at least thirteen years in fear of

618
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<v Speaker 5>her twenty sixth birthday, and that's why she developed these

619
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<v Speaker 5>different personalities. So I called me doctor and I asked

620
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<v Speaker 5>her she could get a hold of the victim and

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<v Speaker 5>meet me, and she did so I met him and

622
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<v Speaker 5>as I told him to don't worryny more. We've got

623
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<v Speaker 5>the person who's in jail. He shouldn't be there for

624
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<v Speaker 5>a long time. So they both broke down crying, the

625
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<v Speaker 5>doctor and the victim. They come over and give me

626
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<v Speaker 5>a big hug in that I just couldn't believe it. It

627
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<v Speaker 5>was one of the most satisfying things I'd ever experienced

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<v Speaker 5>out of the investigation.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, what a great what a great story.

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<v Speaker 1>And then it led you to you know, be able

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<v Speaker 1>to fictionalize it right in a birthday to die for right?

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<v Speaker 5>Wow. Well, one of the things that it was helped

633
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<v Speaker 5>persuade me is that this is all true. But as

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<v Speaker 5>I needed led up to the conclusion of the investigation

635
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<v Speaker 5>was I asked the doctor if she and her patient

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<v Speaker 5>would go with me and have the patient show me

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<v Speaker 5>the ceremonial sites that she had been to. And there

638
00:40:53.679 --> 00:40:57.760
<v Speaker 5>were two ceremonial sites in two different counties in the mountains,

639
00:40:58.559 --> 00:41:02.559
<v Speaker 5>and there was always high and always was in a

640
00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:06.239
<v Speaker 5>clump of trees. They'd cut down these trees, you know,

641
00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:10.800
<v Speaker 5>saplings and smaller trees and built a semi circle around

642
00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:16.079
<v Speaker 5>an altar and allegedly at that time it was where

643
00:41:16.119 --> 00:41:20.519
<v Speaker 5>the sacrifices were being made on the alders. Well, looking

644
00:41:20.519 --> 00:41:22.960
<v Speaker 5>at one of them, I saw this brown stain running

645
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:26.400
<v Speaker 5>down the wood on one of them, so I cut

646
00:41:26.400 --> 00:41:30.480
<v Speaker 5>it out, submitted to the crime lab. They came back

647
00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:36.480
<v Speaker 5>both animal and human blood. Now I'm a believer. I'm convinced.

648
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:41.760
<v Speaker 5>And then that that I pursued it even a little harder,

649
00:41:41.800 --> 00:41:45.719
<v Speaker 5>I guess, and brought it to the who's conclusion. By

650
00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:49.360
<v Speaker 5>the way, the uh when I when I brought it

651
00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:53.199
<v Speaker 5>to the conclusion this name the High Priest, that the

652
00:41:53.360 --> 00:41:59.440
<v Speaker 5>title was given to the High Priest by himself. Okay,

653
00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:03.280
<v Speaker 5>that's how he was identified. Wow.

654
00:42:03.519 --> 00:42:03.880
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

655
00:42:04.159 --> 00:42:07.239
<v Speaker 1>And so the great satisfaction from that where they break down,

656
00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:08.320
<v Speaker 1>they cry, they hug you.

657
00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:09.159
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

658
00:42:09.199 --> 00:42:11.280
<v Speaker 1>That had to feel so good. And as you said,

659
00:42:11.800 --> 00:42:14.760
<v Speaker 1>most of your career, in big chunks of it anyway,

660
00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:18.599
<v Speaker 1>you were dealing with dead victims, You were dealing with

661
00:42:18.639 --> 00:42:22.480
<v Speaker 1>families who wanted relief, especially when you talk about Green River,

662
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:26.440
<v Speaker 1>because people just wanted a conclusion to those that they

663
00:42:26.480 --> 00:42:29.639
<v Speaker 1>loved that disappeared. And we would go on and on.

664
00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:32.320
<v Speaker 1>It was huge across TV. There were all kinds of

665
00:42:32.360 --> 00:42:34.960
<v Speaker 1>crime alerts. What was it like to be on that

666
00:42:35.119 --> 00:42:35.800
<v Speaker 1>task force?

667
00:42:36.159 --> 00:42:40.039
<v Speaker 5>Well, I started out as a homicide detective on there,

668
00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:43.920
<v Speaker 5>and then they brought me back in after five months

669
00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:46.199
<v Speaker 5>to make because I was a sergeant now maybe the

670
00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:50.880
<v Speaker 5>investigating sergeant, and I was working with me. The task

671
00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:55.960
<v Speaker 5>force consisted about forty detectives, detectives from three different police agencies,

672
00:42:56.440 --> 00:43:02.440
<v Speaker 5>and twelve FBI agents. The FBI agents were great people.

673
00:43:02.519 --> 00:43:04.559
<v Speaker 5>They helped us a lot because one of the reasons

674
00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:08.280
<v Speaker 5>we asked them to join us is we were submitting

675
00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:14.360
<v Speaker 5>evidence to the FBI Crime Lab in Quantico, Virginia, but

676
00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:18.280
<v Speaker 5>we were getting the slow turnaround. So we went to

677
00:43:18.320 --> 00:43:22.599
<v Speaker 5>the Special Agent charge of the Seattle office. He understood

678
00:43:22.639 --> 00:43:26.159
<v Speaker 5>and he brought these twelve agencies from throughout the United

679
00:43:26.199 --> 00:43:29.519
<v Speaker 5>States to assign to our task force. And we got

680
00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:34.280
<v Speaker 5>almost immediate turnarounds when we submitted it, which helped. But

681
00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:37.039
<v Speaker 5>in the Green River thing where Gary Ridgeway was the killer,

682
00:43:37.679 --> 00:43:40.840
<v Speaker 5>we had forty eight victims. We had four victims that

683
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:45.039
<v Speaker 5>we had him solid on from DNA and enough of

684
00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:49.960
<v Speaker 5>the death penalty. But his attorney, Tony Savage and we're

685
00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:55.519
<v Speaker 5>mailing the prosecutor met and they discussed it because where

686
00:43:55.519 --> 00:43:59.199
<v Speaker 5>we could get the death penalty. Only Savage wanted to

687
00:43:59.239 --> 00:44:02.880
<v Speaker 5>say his client from the death penalty, so he was

688
00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:06.480
<v Speaker 5>willing to make a deal. Deal was that he would

689
00:44:06.639 --> 00:44:12.280
<v Speaker 5>have Ridgeway confessed to all the women he killed in

690
00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:15.760
<v Speaker 5>the King County jurisdiction, and he changed for waiving a

691
00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:18.480
<v Speaker 5>death penalty. I got a call at my home from

692
00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:23.679
<v Speaker 5>normal mail and he asked me what did I think

693
00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:25.400
<v Speaker 5>about it? I said, well, we've got him on four,

694
00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:29.480
<v Speaker 5>but we got forty eight victims, so we close the

695
00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:33.360
<v Speaker 5>case in for four of the families, but we still

696
00:44:33.440 --> 00:44:36.639
<v Speaker 5>got forty four forty five cases that the family would

697
00:44:36.639 --> 00:44:41.679
<v Speaker 5>have no closure. So was he just confessing to any

698
00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:45.360
<v Speaker 5>any murder to get out of the death penalty or

699
00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:48.400
<v Speaker 5>as you really tell us the truth when he confesses.

700
00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:53.559
<v Speaker 5>So we brought Ridge Waving. General Tussin even slept in

701
00:44:53.599 --> 00:44:57.440
<v Speaker 5>our office under the supervision of two detectives at all times,

702
00:44:57.920 --> 00:45:00.239
<v Speaker 5>and he took us even to a site where he

703
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:03.480
<v Speaker 5>dumped the body that we hadn't even found yet. So

704
00:45:04.159 --> 00:45:06.760
<v Speaker 5>he had to give us coroborative evidence to show that

705
00:45:06.840 --> 00:45:11.239
<v Speaker 5>he was his confession was true. So that's where so

706
00:45:11.880 --> 00:45:16.679
<v Speaker 5>make a long story short, Riduay was convicted of forty

707
00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:20.320
<v Speaker 5>eight homicides. He was given forty eight life sentences to

708
00:45:20.440 --> 00:45:25.760
<v Speaker 5>run consecutively. Wow. But one of the things is a

709
00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:30.360
<v Speaker 5>point of interest is when were remember started. There were

710
00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:33.639
<v Speaker 5>five victims and they were found in and on the

711
00:45:33.679 --> 00:45:35.760
<v Speaker 5>bank of the Green River, and it was the news

712
00:45:35.800 --> 00:45:38.679
<v Speaker 5>media that gave it the name the Green Serial murder case.

713
00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:41.440
<v Speaker 5>And it turns out that the forty eight women was

714
00:45:41.480 --> 00:45:43.559
<v Speaker 5>the largest cerial murder case in the history of the

715
00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:46.920
<v Speaker 5>United States. Now we're not talking about mass murder, we're

716
00:45:46.920 --> 00:45:53.960
<v Speaker 5>talking about serial murder right and investigated this. We had

717
00:45:53.960 --> 00:45:57.679
<v Speaker 5>to learn how to identify the difference between animal and

718
00:45:57.800 --> 00:46:04.159
<v Speaker 5>human bones. This investigation was known throughout the United States

719
00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:07.599
<v Speaker 5>and Canada, and anybody found a bone, they'd called the

720
00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:11.039
<v Speaker 5>task force and we have to go out and treat

721
00:46:11.719 --> 00:46:15.320
<v Speaker 5>take a examiner's office to say whether it was animal

722
00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:19.360
<v Speaker 5>or human, and then if it was animal, it was

723
00:46:19.599 --> 00:46:23.239
<v Speaker 5>disposed of so that we wouldn't give another callback on it.

724
00:46:24.400 --> 00:46:28.000
<v Speaker 5>So we did that, and then we went to the

725
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:33.280
<v Speaker 5>University of Oregon where they had a dental program and

726
00:46:34.119 --> 00:46:38.920
<v Speaker 5>learned how to identify certain things with the skull and

727
00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:44.000
<v Speaker 5>the teeth, for example, except for the first five victims,

728
00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:48.840
<v Speaker 5>all the other victims were skeletal remains, so we had

729
00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:54.199
<v Speaker 5>to find the teeth dent to identify because there was

730
00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:59.440
<v Speaker 5>no fingerprints possible. So we had the assistance of explorer

731
00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:04.119
<v Speaker 5>scouts and boyscounts and had it arranged with the schools

732
00:47:04.159 --> 00:47:09.079
<v Speaker 5>that we had a search site. The sports scouts would

733
00:47:09.079 --> 00:47:12.679
<v Speaker 5>come out from school and they would help us search

734
00:47:12.760 --> 00:47:15.960
<v Speaker 5>some animal trails and pick up the teeth that had

735
00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:19.639
<v Speaker 5>fallen off the mandible as a coyote was carried it

736
00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:22.519
<v Speaker 5>to the coyote den. We would follow it right up,

737
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:25.760
<v Speaker 5>picking up teeth along the way, get to the coyote

738
00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:28.559
<v Speaker 5>den and find the mandible and we would take the

739
00:47:28.599 --> 00:47:30.760
<v Speaker 5>manible and the teeth that we found to the Medical

740
00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:36.840
<v Speaker 5>Examiner's office and they would reconstruct the mandible well enough

741
00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:40.159
<v Speaker 5>that they could send out photographs and X rays to

742
00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:44.880
<v Speaker 5>the dentists in the United States and Canada get an ID.

743
00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:50.360
<v Speaker 5>And that's all the victims except one victim. We had

744
00:47:50.360 --> 00:47:54.320
<v Speaker 5>no Dell records anywhere, but she had a unusual break

745
00:47:54.679 --> 00:47:58.920
<v Speaker 5>breaking into a femur and so we took X ray

746
00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:01.960
<v Speaker 5>then and send it to doctors man and we got

747
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:04.559
<v Speaker 5>a positive idea on her as well.

748
00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:05.400
<v Speaker 15>Wow.

749
00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:08.679
<v Speaker 1>And we started with talking about the you know, the

750
00:48:08.719 --> 00:48:11.679
<v Speaker 1>story of Birthday to Die Forward that was based on

751
00:48:12.280 --> 00:48:15.679
<v Speaker 1>You can get that great book for a song, kindle, paperback,

752
00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:17.679
<v Speaker 1>however you want it. You can get that on the

753
00:48:17.719 --> 00:48:20.480
<v Speaker 1>Amazon or Barnes and Noble again, A Birthday to Die

754
00:48:20.559 --> 00:48:22.920
<v Speaker 1>for Frank. Actually, it's so great to talk to you.

755
00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:24.559
<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much, Thank you.

756
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<v Speaker 5>Kad
