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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Master of the NEC podcast, the ultimate

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destination for anyone passionate about the electrical trade.

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Speaker 2: Whether you're a season electrician, an eager apprentice, or.

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Speaker 1: Just someone who wants to dive deep into the world

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of electrical work, You've.

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Speaker 2: Come to the right place. Join your host, Paul.

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Speaker 1: Abernavi, a true authority in the industry with over thirty

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eight years of trade experience, as he electrifies your mind

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with in depth discussions, expertips, and valuable insights that.

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Speaker 2: Will keep you ahead of the curve.

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Speaker 1: Each episode, Paul will illuminate the complexities of the trade

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de code, the National Electrical Code, and share the latest

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industry trends, all while empowering you to take your electrical

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career to the next level. So gear up, plug in,

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and get ready to supercharge your knowledge because with the

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Master of the Neez podcast, the power is in your hands.

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Speaker 2: Now get ready. Here is your host, Paul Abernavi.

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Speaker 3: What Up, What Up? What Up? Everybody?

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Speaker 4: Welcome to another episode of Master the NEC podcast, and

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today's episode's kind of a more personal episode because again,

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I have so many students, so many people that I

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mentor all over the country, whether it's contractors, or people

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preparing for an electrical exam, all types of areas. And

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you know, the vast majority of people are successful and

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they have no problem achieving whatever goal they want to achieve,

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many of them on the very first first go. And

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there is quite a few though that fall short and

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for whatever reason, you know, don't achieve the goal that

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they want to achieve right away. I always tell them

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you will achieve it. Stay focused, uh, stay dedicated, stay committed.

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But for whatever reason they they fall a little short.

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Speaker 3: And for many people that is.

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Speaker 4: Very discouraging and and it makes them want to just

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give up and stop doing whatever they're doing.

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Speaker 3: Change direction, go something, do something else.

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Speaker 4: And so it's always important for somebody like me that

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that that again works with electricians all over the country

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and in different realms, to remember that, you know, you

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you have to stay the course, you have to stay focused.

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Failure is part of success, the old saying. You know,

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Michael Jordan never would have achieved the records that that

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he achieved if he hadn't of just taken the shot.

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And he didn't make all the shots, but we remember

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the ones that he did make, and we remember the

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ones that he make made in critical times. And so

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it's the same concept when you're focusing on your career,

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life's not always going to go your way. You're gonna

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have distractions, you're gonna have the ups and downs, You're

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gonna have family issues, You're gonna have all types of those.

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I'm not immune to those. I've had those as well

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through my career. They take you to these extreme highs

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and then down into the extreme lows. But you have

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to just keep pushing forward and realize that there is

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that pot of gold at the end. There is something

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to strive for. You just have to keep reminding yourself that.

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And it's good to surround yourself with people that are

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very positive that can remind you of that rather than

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people that are always trying to drag you down. So

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just wanted to talk a little bit about the concept

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of failure to achieve and what it may mean. So

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you might be out there and I want to relate

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it to electrical because again that's it's what I do.

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But again I have a vast majority, probably well over

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ninety percent of students people in our programs are successful.

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And then there's people out there that are not in

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a structured program like ours. They're just basically flipping through

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the codebook, trying to learn the National Electrical Code, trying

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to learn what they need to learn to be successful.

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You may be one of them. You're struggling, you're having

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a hard time, and I just want to remind you

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that it's one of those things that once you get

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that license, it really doesn't matter what your score was.

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The concept is how you keep it going from there.

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So you get your license, regardless of your score, regardless

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of the number of times it took you to take

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the exam in order to achieve it, none of that

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really matters. Once you get that license, that's when they're

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learning begins. That's where you have to shift that mindset

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to say, you know what I struggled to get here.

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the hurdle. I need to continue to learn. I need

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to focus it. I need to realize that this profession

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is more than just working with the hands. That's an

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important aspect of it, but there's also the mental part

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that you need to prepare yourself. As I say, y'all

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heard me say this. I go on social media platforms

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and look at the comments I'm always lurking. I read

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some of these comments, I cringe. I don't want to

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comment back. You know, there's there's people that that that

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are very negative, you know, and and and I can

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venture down that as well.

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Speaker 3: I'm not immune to that.

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Speaker 4: But when you read some of the things that people

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say back to other people on social media, and you

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start reading it and you realize that, you know, somebody's

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asking a question because they they want an answer, they

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need an answer, and somebody is always quick to give

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a snippy, smart remark or non educational or something that

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just doesn't help the moment. But they couldn't resist, right,

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psyche where they just you know, they're just full of themselves.

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Speaker 3: They don't want to help other people. Uh.

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Speaker 4: And so again I have to be careful because there's

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that everybody has that snarky side, and I I really

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overwhelmingly want to help people. But I also understand that

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I can't participate in a lot of that social media

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stuff because again, you know, y'all heard me talk about

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being banned on TikTok because I get into putting comments

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and I realize that they lean very far to the

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left and I post something that's liable to get me

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blocked or banned or removed or whatever. When I stay

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in my electrical lane, I don't have a problem. When

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I venture out of that, and you know, then then

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I have a problem. So I understand it as well.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 4: But it is a very negative place to be for

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the most part. And I think social media is creating stupidity.

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Speaker 3: That's just me.

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Speaker 4: Some people feel they're learning on it. That's great too,

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but if you're learning the wrong things, it's not good.

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But you know, when you when you think about achievement

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or failure to achieve, it's a learning process. You're learning,

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You're you're gaining more knowledge than you think. Don't don't

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give up on yourself. And you know, I get a

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lot of calls, uh, basically students who feel connected enough

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that they're going through our program, who have listened to

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our podcast or watch videos. I mean, I've been doing

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this now, probably longer than most people that are online

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doing it combined. And that's not egoish that that's the fact.

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I've been doing this since the the nineties and started

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uploading stuff in the early two thousands. So when I

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worked with the City of Richmond as their engineer. I

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was in a hotel in a apartment away from my

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family Monday through Friday.

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Speaker 3: And you know what else was I going to do? Right?

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Speaker 4: Create stuff for my inspectors, for my plan reviewers, look

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at reports in create content. And that's what I started doing,

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creating content and uploading it, and that's what a lot

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of people started following on to it. But working as

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an electrician and having apprentices, having helpers under me, working

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in municipality, seeing inspectors and plans examiners really working hard

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to achieve their licensure or their certifications and falling short,

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and what it can mentally do to them, it really

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beats them down. I mean, there's some people that can

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just shake it right off, We'll just go right to it,

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they don't mind. And then there's some people that that don't.

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eats and slowly eats away at them for their failure

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to achieve, and they there has been an occasion where

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I've seen people just literally throw their hands up and

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they're just like ready to give up. And I don't

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think you should ever get to that point where you

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throw your hands up and give up or let anybody else.

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Speaker 3: Push you towards that.

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Speaker 4: The electrical trade is not for everybody, but if you

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venture into it, you can make it what you want

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out of it. There's so many different avenues that you

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can venture into, so many things that you can specialize in.

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be dictate you by you giving up on the journey.

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and they want to get into the electrical industry. And

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now they're older. I'm not going to be negative, you know,

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I'm gonna say that's a young man's game. The problem

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with the young man is that they don't take the

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time to learn the knowledge part. They're too busy reading

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a plan and doing what somebody else blindly tells them

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to do, and they don't know why they're doing it.

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Speaker 3: So they have a I guess a drive because they're young.

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but they don't want to put in the time to

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learn the mental part of it. Then there are you know,

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that's not everybody. There's some that do and they achieve

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and they go on to get their licenses. They don't

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go on to get their contractor's license. They work for themselves,

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or they lead other companies, or they're in leadership roles.

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learn the physical and the mental part is sometimes they are.

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they just can never achieve what they and they may

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a select group out of there that that really do

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and when they fail an exam or fail something.

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that the failure, failure to accomplish something is only a

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stepping stone for your success. You're going to get there,

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you just needed to focus. I've had people who were

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contractor uh well electricians that got their license as electrician

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and they struggled with the contractors exam. We don't teach

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contractor exam courses. That's a lot very specialized locally. You know,

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they got to learn laws, regulations, rules, things, penalties, all

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this kind of stuff that's usually in a handout that

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you can get and they may have to learn those

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elements of it. When licenses get renewed, what's the penalties,

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all this kind of stuff, and that's something that you

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that I don't offer courses on that because it's different

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in every state. But I think one of the main

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you need to sit down and really focus on the

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locality stuff, the stuff that you need that may be

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on a licensing exam for a contractor things that you're

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going to be responsible for, the penalties, registrations when you

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have to be renewed, what insurance minimums are required, what

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contract law you need to make sure that you have.

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things you have to learn. And so if you fail

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achieving your contractor's license, why you're trying to learn those

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unique things for your specific state or locality, that's okay

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because you're learning it. Take it again, take it again,

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take it again till you get it again.

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Speaker 3: You don't go in.

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Speaker 4: I always tell people I don't go in to get

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a surgery and I asked the doctor where they were

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in their class.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: I don't ask a lawyer what was the what was

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your score on the bar exam? Yeah, there's many doctors

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that some are better than others. Same with the lawyers,

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same with electricians, same with educators. Okay, it's all relative.

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forward and don't let anybody distract you from the end goal. Now,

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if the end goal is for you to become master

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Electrician or journeyman electrician, and you achieve that goal and

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you don't want to move beyond that, the reason that

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we created the CMECP program. By the way, it's not

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a plug for the program. The reason we created it

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because I literally felt and it's not a money maker.

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Speaker 4: You know again, nine out of ten people don't make

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it through the program. We have never charged a renewal

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fee to all CMECP members, so it's certainly not about

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getting money. And so the reason that we did it

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was because I kept saying, there's really there's really nothing

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out there for a master electrician to continue their journey,

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and I wanted to take a good electrician and make

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them a great electrician. That was the whole process. It

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wasn't a money making thing. It wasn't you know. We

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went through the process of getting the CMECP trademarked swell

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as the phrase. We did all these things to help

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bolster the program. But it certainly wasn't a money grab.

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It was because we literally wanted to offer something thing

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that even a master electrician could take their game to

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the next level. That's sense of accomplishment. Some people have

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that drive, some people do not, you know, so you know,

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everybody's different, definitely. But if you're if you're struggling out

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there and you're you feel like you're just not achieving it.

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to be. You will be you just you've got that

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mentality you're it's very healthy to to to question yourself. Uh,

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just don't beat yourself to death. You'll get there. Just

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focus and you know what, sometimes you have to invest

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in yourself. Sometimes people say, Paul, you're all about selling courses,

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you know, and I'm like, well, that's what I do

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for a living. Okay, so that would make sense. But

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at the end of the day. The goal is that

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maybe you need a little help, maybe you need a

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little push over the edge, maybe you need somebody that

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offers something that can help you. And that's what our

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programs are about, trying to do that. But it doesn't

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matter whether you use ours, doesn't matter whether you use

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some any Mike Holtz does great Mike's got great stuff,

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Ryan Jackson's books, you know, all that kind of stuff.

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Education is key, it's keing, and it doesn't matter who

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you do it, who you get it from. I am

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very discouraged as a whole at the future of our trade.

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Speaker 3: And you'll say, well, why is that, Paul, I'm like, because.

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Speaker 4: I look at social media and I understand that that

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is the pulse of all young people today, that most

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of the young generation is on some type of social media,

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and from the demographics that we're looking at age wise,

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you know, anywhere from twenty five to forty five are

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heavily into the social media. And when I see, and

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this is why I tell you not to get discouraged,

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keep learning, keep focusing, put the blinders on, and really

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get down to work, because when I look at the

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comments that people make to simple questions that people post

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or an image that somebody posts, and you'll get some

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of the questions. Rather than explain what's wrong with the image,

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they'll say something like you need.

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or whatever.

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Speaker 4: And I'm sitting thinking, you know, they probably really did

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share that image because they did want feedback, they did

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want you to explain to them what they did wrong.

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something snarky that it was.

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Speaker 3: It's pointless.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't add anything to the conversation because it really

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doesn't explain the issue.

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Speaker 4: Can help you stand out, especially in social media, is

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the ability to respond intelligently and give a code reference

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to reference what's wrong. You know, somebody says I don't

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like it because it looks a certain way. Well, beauty's

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in the eye of the beholder, right, doesn't necessarily mean

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what looks good to you may look good to somebody else.

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But if it's compliant, it's compliant. So I never judge

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that way. So it's it's just discouraging to see that.

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But as an educator, I have the same same issues

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as you have.

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Speaker 3: Failure to achieve.

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Speaker 4: I have I do not believe I have achieved what

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we need as a company, as a corporation.

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Speaker 3: We have not achieved it yet.

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Speaker 4: You know, sales are great, we're doing well, we have

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a lot of students, but we're not done. I feel

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like every day I feel like I've I'm still struggling

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to achieve. When I read these posts, when I read

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people who will blatantly say things that are incorrect, propagate

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it and say it in such a way that there's

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it's arrogant. I mean they say it in such a

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way that that's just a matter of fact and it's

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literally wrong.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: There was just one video image where the guy posted

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a panel for his review, just wanted people to comment

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on it.

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Speaker 3: Again.

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Speaker 4: You know, everybody likes to hear good things about the

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work they do. I'm wrong with that, And you know,

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I say, be careful doing it on social media platform,

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that's for sure. But because there's always a hater, there's

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a troll. Trust me, you ain't got to You ain't

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have to worry about that. You know this, If anything

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tells me something, I tell people, Paul, what do the

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people say about your haters? I go, well, Trump has them,

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I have them. Eli got them. Everybody's got a hater.

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Everybody says, people that just love to hate, and that's okay.

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That's their ability to do whatever they want to do.

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That doesn't bother me. But they have they're they're out there,

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they do it. That's all they live for is to hate.

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nothing but hate. Anything that comes out of their mouth

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is is hate. You could get a they could get

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a huge tax cut, and the next thing out of

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their mouth is they'll see the negative behind it instead

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of saying shit, I'll be glad, I'll take something right.

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Or they get they get to get fifteen hundred dollars

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given to them, they'll bitch at why it's not two thousand,

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that's okay because that's how some people are. Just my employee,

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you not to be that way. But anyway, the panel

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was posted and the guy had all his neutrals. Everything

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a very neat panel, very neatly done, remote distribution panel,

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definitely separated as neutrals and grounds. Did everything right, looks

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good and some of the had neutrals coming out, some didn't.

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a comment about why would you separate your neutrals like

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that you're gonna.

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Speaker 3: Cause heating and eating blah blah blah blah, and went

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on and on and on on. I looked at it

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and I went, first of.

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Speaker 4: All, I don't know how you can tell that at

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a panel, my guy, Because it's a three phase panel,

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and there was neutrals coming out of various race ways.

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Speaker 4: Neat, I mean, like you know, not all three phase

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circuits need a neutral. So you could have had motors,

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you could have something that just doesn't have a neutral,

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have an equipment ground, but it won't have a neutral.

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Speaker 3: But how can you make go on on a ti rate.

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Speaker 4: Of with comments and you have no damn earthly idea

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what's going on in that system or what's going on

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in that guy's panel. But you could not wait to

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comment on something that you don't know anything about the details. Right,

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an image, I go only comment on what you see,

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not on what you can see, not on what you

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specula that type of thing. So this is an example

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where people can't wait to do that, and they're going

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to do that to you, and you're going to be

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struggling to achieve, and you're going to have that negative

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person come into your life and say something totally negative

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and you have got to block it out. You got

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to keep focusing on what you want to achieve. Realize

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that the end goal is going to be better for you,

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better for your family, better for your livelihood, overall, your happiness,

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your sanity. Failing sucks. Failing to achieve is a sucky

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place to be. Like I say, I have my ups

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and downs, highs and lows, own personal issues in the family,

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but I'm always trying to keep push forward. And you know,

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do I think we as a company are where we

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can be?

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Speaker 3: No, not by far. We have a lot more work

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to do.

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Speaker 4: And all I do is go to social media and

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read some of the stuff. And I try not to

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now as like I used to. When I read some

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of the stuff, I rarely start to worry about our trade.

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I really do. It really does get me worried about

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where we're going to be, But don't let that be

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you focus. Achieve your goals one at a time, get

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a good program, study hard, if you're studying on your own.

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You're not using any course like ours or anybody else's.

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Speaker 3: That's okay.

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Speaker 4: Take your time and focus on specific things. Focus on transformers,

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then focus on motors, then focus on conductors and sizing

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of conductors and protection of conductors.

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Speaker 3: Focus, focus, Focus.

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Speaker 4: It's kind of hard to know what's on an exam,

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so you have to kind of, you know, broadly focus.

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And that's the only difference between a structured program is

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we kind of know the structure you need to study.

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But doesn't mean you need a program, okay, It just

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means that you need to buckle down and focus and

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you'll get it. You'll achieve it, and once you achieve it,

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you'll look back and go, boy, that wasn't that hard.

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But it was hard and you worked hard and you

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achieved it. And so don't give up. Stay focused again again.

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The failure, failure to achieve happens to everybody, but don't

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let it define you.

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Speaker 3: You will be better.

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Speaker 4: And then once you get that license, nobody gives a rats,

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but what your score was. Nobody cared whether you made

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it by one point or you got a hundred on it.

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Speaker 3: Nobody cares.

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Speaker 4: Uh, you know, I can tell the scores that people

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probably got by reading social media posts. Right, but you know,

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but that's a whole other topic. All right, folks, hopefully

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got something out of today's episode, just kind of motivating

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you a little bit, talking about failure to achieve, but

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you can achieve. Just put in the time, be diligent,

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buck out the naysayers, don't interact in the negativity. Keep pushing, pushing, pushing.

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You're gonna get it. If you fail the exam, take

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it again, maybe you need to do something different.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 4: Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and

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over and achieving the same results. Now you adapt to

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overcome and you keep pushing forward. All right, all right, folks,

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I believe in you, And thanks for listening today's podcast

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episode less Cody, more personal. But we'll talk to you

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on another episode. Thanks again, God bless.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for tuning in to another electrifying episode of The

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Master the NDC Podcast. We hope you're feeling more powered

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up and ready to tackle the electrical world with the

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knowledge and confidence you need to succeed. Remember, in the

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electrical grade, knowledge is power, and we're here to make

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Speaker 1: Until next time, keep your tools sharp, your circuits clear,

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and you're my focused because here at the Master of

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the ANEC podcast, we're all about sparking your success. Stay safe,

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stay smart, and keep mastering the trade. From all of

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