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<v Speaker 1>Police in Las Vegas found themselves in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>a U f O mystery last month. A big guy

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<v Speaker 1>to have big eye. I'm wondering around out here, said

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<v Speaker 1>a followed the stattoos. So that's why I'm kind of curiously.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know yet in your yard. Ethical Legends podcast

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<v Speaker 1>with host Daniel Barnett.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the Mythical Mythical Legends podcast. Today we have

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<v Speaker 2>an amazing guest, bigfoot researcher and crypto zoologist. Let's welcome

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<v Speaker 2>Daniel Bamoir. You are more welcome to ask any questions

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<v Speaker 2>in the comments and let and let's have fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi Daniel, Hello, thank you for having me yourself. Daniel,

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<v Speaker 1>hell day, You've got a good name. I'm doing great. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>thing for having me on here. Where are you based?

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<v Speaker 1>I am located here in the United States. I am

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<v Speaker 1>based out of the state of Virginia. I'm currently right now,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in the state of Pennsylvania. I've been doing some

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<v Speaker 1>Bigfoot research and some projects up here I'm working on.

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<v Speaker 1>I've done a lot of research up and down the

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<v Speaker 1>East Coast, but right now I been getting into it

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<v Speaker 1>here at this to Pennsylvania in the United States and Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I represent the East Coast. I do a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>my research here on the East coast of the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>so I have yet to do a lot more traveling,

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<v Speaker 1>but I've been doing enough lately, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Amazing. So could you tell our listeners a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>about yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I always find it hard to figure out where

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<v Speaker 1>to start, but you know, I've been involved with the

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<v Speaker 1>Bigfoot research for approximately thirteen plus years now. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I grew up in the outdoors. Ever since I was

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<v Speaker 1>a young child myself, I was either out in the

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<v Speaker 1>woods hunting with dad or playing in the woods, So

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I was well acquainted and well familiar with

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<v Speaker 1>the outdoors, and wildlife has been my specialty over the years.

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<v Speaker 1>I specialized in a lot of the known species of wildlife,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, when I stepped foot in the Bigfoot world,

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<v Speaker 1>I brought my wildlife expertise and my knowledge and play

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<v Speaker 1>with the research. And I guess if I could get

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more specific on that one thing. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if you've noticed, but you'll probably see it

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<v Speaker 1>the more you watch and listening. You know, in the

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<v Speaker 1>big thort of community, specially on social media, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people when they get involved with bigfoot research or

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<v Speaker 1>any kind of cryptid field, they tend to forget and

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<v Speaker 1>lose the fact that we have wildlife other than bigfoot.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's where I try to bring that form of

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<v Speaker 1>education and an awareness to people that we're neglecting all

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<v Speaker 1>these other species. So it's very important to slow it down,

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<v Speaker 1>take a deep breath, and start with the basics, and

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<v Speaker 1>consider what we already have that is known versus the unknown.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, so that's where I've been taking this. I

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<v Speaker 1>do a lot of presentations, I speaking of a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of various events, and my biggest goal and my mission

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<v Speaker 1>behind this is spreading awareness both of who I am,

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<v Speaker 1>what I do. I like to share my views on things.

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<v Speaker 1>If I learned something, I want to share it with somebody.

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<v Speaker 1>And one thing about me. I try not to force

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<v Speaker 1>my beliefs on anybody, but I try to present it

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<v Speaker 1>in a way where I want people to at least

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<v Speaker 1>consider it, at least, you know, think about it for

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit, you know, because you know, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of theories out there, a lot of theories, and

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<v Speaker 1>people need to you know, pay attention to them, but

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<v Speaker 1>kind of put them on the back burner and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>when something's presented that sounds bizarre. Like I tell people,

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<v Speaker 1>you got to take everything with a grain of salt,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you know, you gotta be careful what you

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<v Speaker 1>what you see and believe. You know. I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 1>if you're familiar with less Croud survivor man less crowd. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's one thing. Yeah, there's one thing he said I'll

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<v Speaker 1>never forget. There's one thing he said that And I

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<v Speaker 1>use this in mind. I bring it up in my

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<v Speaker 1>presentations and I share it to people. Well, the one

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<v Speaker 1>thing he said I'll never forget is don't fall prey

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<v Speaker 1>to deception, you know, and for those who might not

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<v Speaker 1>understand that, don't be gobbled, don't fall into you know,

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<v Speaker 1>don't be pulled into something that you don't know nothing about.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. That's where the research, you know, the investigation

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<v Speaker 1>comes in play. You know. I know a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>it's easier said than done because a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>such as myself, when I first started off in this,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be one of the first to admit everything when

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<v Speaker 1>I went into the woods, every odd thing I found,

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<v Speaker 1>or even if it's something I heard that I couldn't explain.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, it was big quick, it was big quick

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm wrong. I learn you to learn that was wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's a lot of people that are still like

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<v Speaker 1>that today, grown adults that are like that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and I see it every day. And but I have

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<v Speaker 1>to be understanding because again I was like that myself

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<v Speaker 1>because I was I was excited. I'm still excited. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>forty I'm almost forty four years old and in the

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<v Speaker 1>subject really excites me till this day. So so I'm

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<v Speaker 1>like a big kid myself. But yeah, I have to

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there's a serious side to this studio. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so yeah, we just have to, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And it really reminds me of when I'm out doing

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<v Speaker 2>my my own research, because in a way, I'm very

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<v Speaker 2>very similar to what your work is. When you go out,

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<v Speaker 2>everything's bigfoot. But I have to kind of contain that.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know if you know, but I've found

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<v Speaker 2>primate DNA here in the okay, and I've had to

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<v Speaker 2>be really very yeah, yeah, and I've had to be

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<v Speaker 2>really really careful to not go, oh, it's just all

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<v Speaker 2>big for oh, it's all this, it's all that. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>like you, you have to kind of contain it, don't you.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, yeah, I mean it's easier said than done. Sometimes,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we want to believe it's big for or I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's big for it. But like, for example, when

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<v Speaker 1>I'm out in the woods, I have come across very

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<v Speaker 1>simple as the hair. But the hair that I've always

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<v Speaker 1>come across, I could identify it because I'm familiar with

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<v Speaker 1>what's doing it or what's leaving it behind. Bears for example,

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<v Speaker 1>we excuse me, here on the East Coast and the

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<v Speaker 1>United States, I mean, and throughout the rest of the

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<v Speaker 1>United States, we have black bears. You know. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>then you go further out west, you got the brown bears,

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<v Speaker 1>and you got the grid leaves up north. But black

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<v Speaker 1>bears are very common here. And like I've taken people out,

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<v Speaker 1>look at a small pine tree that's been broken snapped over,

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<v Speaker 1>and a majority of the time, but not all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>if you take your time to look it over, you'll

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<v Speaker 1>see hair fibers. You'll see hair that get stuck and

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<v Speaker 1>stagged behind on the pine trees. And you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>tell people take a look at that. I said, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you see? Those are hairs? You know, they get excited.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, all right, exactly what they are. But I

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<v Speaker 1>tell them what they are. I've had you know, I've

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<v Speaker 1>learned this long time ago when I've had samples testing,

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<v Speaker 1>and I started studying bears very closely. But black bears

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<v Speaker 1>are notorious or famous for pushing and breaking and playing

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<v Speaker 1>on trees, especially small cells such as pine trees. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>majority of the time when I see a broken tree,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll look for the hair fires, you know, just to

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<v Speaker 1>see if if it was a wildlfe species or something

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<v Speaker 1>that may have done it. But but yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>as far as collecting hairs, I mean, I hope I

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<v Speaker 1>find something more incredibly later, you know, something other than

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<v Speaker 1>black beer. You know, I would love to find some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of primate here. You know, that would be awesome though,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, regardless of what their primate might be, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, and everybody, yeah, everybody has a different view.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's really it's really really interesting here here about

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<v Speaker 2>where everyone has seen and where what what people have found,

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<v Speaker 2>and what they've got they've kind of tested. Now you

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<v Speaker 2>testing hair is really it is really really interesting to

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<v Speaker 2>me because it's something it's something that I that I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of want to do myself. So it's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a why a one way system there where we all

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<v Speaker 2>can't we all kind of learn our own different things

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<v Speaker 2>and then we come together and join one. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>I've started a team here in the UK for Bigfoot

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<v Speaker 2>to try and everything that is found here in the

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<v Speaker 2>UK to bring together to this team to kind of

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<v Speaker 2>then increase our chances of finding something. If you know me.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, absolutely, No, just curious. I was wondering, do you

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<v Speaker 1>know Andrew McGrath. Are you familiar with him?

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<v Speaker 2>Annie McGrath, I happen to have an interview with tomorrow Daniel.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, okay, because yeah, he lives out your way. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's been on my podcast as well. He's a great guy,

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<v Speaker 1>full of knowledge and you may find him very interesting. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think you really willy, Like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>he I know he's busy because you know, he's got

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<v Speaker 1>a wisen kids himself. So but you know, he he

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<v Speaker 1>does a lot of research with various cryptids and I

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<v Speaker 1>think even out there, I think they do. He does

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<v Speaker 1>research on black panthers or black big large black cats

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<v Speaker 1>out that way, which is interesting. I haven't spoken to

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<v Speaker 1>him in a long time, but yeah, he's a great guy. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>If we move on, if we move on slightly. Could

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<v Speaker 2>you tell us how you got interested in the Bigfoot mystery?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, you know what got me involved, were

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<v Speaker 1>a big part of it. I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people can relate relate to this if you're familiar with

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<v Speaker 1>the Roger Pattinson and Bob Ginland footage. So that took

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<v Speaker 1>place in Bluff Creek, Calumnia back in nineteen sixty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>That video footage actually treaud me. A couple of things

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<v Speaker 1>that I found interesting about that was that back during

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<v Speaker 1>that time period or error, as far as we know,

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't have the technology to produce such a costume.

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<v Speaker 1>If that was a costume, I mean, where did it

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<v Speaker 1>come from? If it was a costume? You know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>you know, even to this day, it's still debatable. But

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<v Speaker 1>now even though I feel convinced over it doesn't mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, doesn't mean it can't be fake. But that

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<v Speaker 1>there got me intrigued is to start looking into the

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<v Speaker 1>subject along. There has been a few other things here

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<v Speaker 1>and there, because over the years, science has gotten involved

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<v Speaker 1>and they dissected the video. According to science, everything points

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<v Speaker 1>towards this being a real flesh and creature. However, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we got the careful with science has flaws and science

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<v Speaker 1>has been known to be wrong before. So but with

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<v Speaker 1>that being said again, personally, I feel like it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>legit and so, like I said, that kind of opened

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<v Speaker 1>then when I got on social media like Facebook, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>were actually involved with this, you know, and then learning

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<v Speaker 1>like the kid in the back of the classroom, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>listening to the different theories. But I was taking notes.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't jump on board with any of them. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't believe any of them, but some of them found

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<v Speaker 1>very some of them sound convincing. But I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>may have observed seeing Bigfoot do. And when I started

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<v Speaker 1>our non species of non human primates. And I've started

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<v Speaker 1>to pick up that, hey, there's a lot of similarities here.

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<v Speaker 1>People saying Bigfoot's doing this, bigfoots does this? Bigfoot you

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<v Speaker 1>Wait to manute, Chimpanzees do this, Gorillas do this? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>these are all primate characteristics and behaviors. So the more

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm not saying big pots of gorilla. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>saying he's a chimpanzee. There's a lot of people that

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<v Speaker 1>personally have an issue with that, because if you believe

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<v Speaker 1>he's a human hybrid. Well, back in the I think

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<v Speaker 1>experiment with a gentleman by the name of Ivan, Well

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<v Speaker 1>his name longer than that. I just call him Ivan,

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<v Speaker 1>it's easier pronounce. But yeah, where he tried to impregnate

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<v Speaker 1>a human female with chimpanzee you know, DNA or sperm them,

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<v Speaker 1>and he had several attempts and he was never successful.

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<v Speaker 1>at it, this is the scientific way I look at things.

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<v Speaker 1>Only humans could breed with humans. You know, Yes, a

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<v Speaker 1>is compared to arts. However, it's still that little percentage

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<v Speaker 1>is actually a big difference. People don't realize how big

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<v Speaker 1>that percentage really is. You cannot breed a human with

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just making some random comparisons here, but it's got

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<v Speaker 1>to be a species of its own kind. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Science says, yes, chimpanzees are closest living relative according to them.

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<v Speaker 1>It is I look at things more in a biblical background,

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<v Speaker 1>involved that because people don't want to get into that,

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<v Speaker 1>which is it can be kind of complicated depending on

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<v Speaker 1>how you look at that, how far back you look

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<v Speaker 1>into it. But I just believe every species could only

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<v Speaker 1>breed with it in its own kind. You know, Yes, horses,

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<v Speaker 1>the different breed of strain of horses, horses, donkeys, mules,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, zebras, they're all of the same bloodline. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not gonna have a horse and a dog. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's impossible. But you know, I mean you understand what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, right, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, Yeah, yeah, and yeah we've and I've almost kind

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<v Speaker 2>of proved your theory there where in in this DNA

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<v Speaker 2>that I found here, we add humans, great apes and

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<v Speaker 2>old war monkey. Now, the old war monkey we cannot

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<v Speaker 2>explain at all. It's it's just another thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that was very weird. I remember the result.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah. And with the Great apes, people were

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<v Speaker 2>saying that possibly human and great apes could have been combined.

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<v Speaker 2>Now the question goes to me, is could it possibly

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<v Speaker 2>whatever this creature is have some great eight DNA which

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<v Speaker 2>means it could possibly relate to humans. Now I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know whether that's possible or not, but it just raises questions,

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<v Speaker 2>if you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, yeah, you're right. Yeah. You know, like with

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<v Speaker 1>all these different testings in the way some of these

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<v Speaker 1>anthropologists and other scientists look into this subject, some of

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<v Speaker 1>it's above my head, you know, or over my head. However,

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<v Speaker 1>I do try to play close attention as best I can,

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<v Speaker 1>and I try to keep an open mind, I really do.

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<v Speaker 1>I try to keep an open mind, but yet I

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<v Speaker 1>try to remain objective, you know. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>believe will go along with this certain belief because the

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<v Speaker 1>majority of the people believe that I have, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>until things are laid out in stone and officially proven.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to keep that open mind and think you're

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<v Speaker 1>focused and looking in other directions because I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>there's certain other directions that are being overlooked or just neglected,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when we should be focusing over here when

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's thinking with their imagination, Oh it might be this,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, But yeah, I think DNA. I mean, if

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<v Speaker 1>if you have DNA, and I'm a firm believer in

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<v Speaker 1>you can have DNA samples, I can say this and

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<v Speaker 1>this and this, But unless you have a bigfoot body

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<v Speaker 1>to compare those samples too, we can't say, well, this

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<v Speaker 1>is what this is coming from. A lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>don't realize that you need their specimen, you know, otherwise.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't see.

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<v Speaker 2>I will say that the only thing that has stumped

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<v Speaker 2>the researchers here in the UK, and the researchers that

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<v Speaker 2>actually worked on this DNA was the UK has no

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<v Speaker 2>wild primates at all, No no wild primates. Now that

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<v Speaker 2>is the only thing that that the lab went, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>now is there something else out there? And one of

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<v Speaker 2>the scientists stood there and now these guys are scientists,

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<v Speaker 2>and for the first time this guy said, this kid

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<v Speaker 2>may have actually done it, may have actually found something

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<v Speaker 2>quite significant. Now, obviously there's a lot more to go,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's that step closer where we go. We now

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<v Speaker 2>have actual DNA, a proof that there is possibly something.

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<v Speaker 2>Now there's a lot more to go out there, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's really it's a really interesting find.

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<v Speaker 1>Right absolutely, and from what I we called your discovery,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's amazing. I mean, of course it's coming

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<v Speaker 1>from a Daniel, so that's a good fan. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we may have the same first thing, but we have

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<v Speaker 1>we are, I would say, we have the same initials.

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<v Speaker 1>Your last ants aren't, right, Yeah, yeah we do. I think. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>My last name has been wir. It's a French name,

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<v Speaker 1>so yeah, yeah, yeah, I think you know. Oh go ahead, I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, that's all right. The delay is hard, so that's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>So what have you had any big Foots in Counters experiences?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've had a few different experiences over the years,

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<v Speaker 1>but one in particular happened back in twenty fourteen. It

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<v Speaker 1>was during one of my group of campouts with you know,

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<v Speaker 1>basically a camping expedition. We did a lot of exploring

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<v Speaker 1>of us who were out there for the whole week,

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<v Speaker 1>some of them couldn't stay the whole week. But May

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<v Speaker 1>third of twenty fifteen, after a day of exploring up

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<v Speaker 1>behind camp, you know, and then coming back and hanging

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<v Speaker 1>out of camp, we decided to go do a night

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<v Speaker 1>in mind, there's a lake almost a mile from where

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<v Speaker 1>we set up camp, and we decided, come on, the guy,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go down to the lake. You know, it's starting

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<v Speaker 1>to get dark, and so we left camp on foot

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<v Speaker 1>worked the way down to the lake. Well, we're like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, there was six of us all together. So

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<v Speaker 1>we paired up in Tuesday and we spread out around

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<v Speaker 1>were listening. We all had radio communication and you know

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<v Speaker 1>after listening and uh we you know, we don't really

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<v Speaker 1>hear nothing except the one lady that was with us.

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<v Speaker 1>She's a small lady, older woman. Real quick. Are you

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<v Speaker 1>familiar with Bobo from the show Binding Finding Bigfoot? Yes, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so if you ever if you ever heard him do

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<v Speaker 1>like the female version of Bobo. He her vocalization sounded

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<v Speaker 1>just like Bobo. And I got on the radio and

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<v Speaker 1>But I told her. I said, hey, go ahead, give

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<v Speaker 1>a vocal station. Go ahead, give one of your sounds off,

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<v Speaker 1>and then when you do it, we'll all stop and listen.

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<v Speaker 1>And she gave off her vocalization, and I was surprised

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<v Speaker 1>she got done, we actually got a response, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was a little bit further in the distance. It sounded

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<v Speaker 1>like a team from over the opposite ridge, which I

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<v Speaker 1>thought was cool, you know, I said, Okay, we got something,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you know, it was better than what we

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<v Speaker 1>were getting before that, which was nothing. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>again we were you know, on occasions we were here,

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of limps snapped way up on the ridge

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<v Speaker 1>directly behind us. But you know that could have been anything,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know those bears here in the other life. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it got to the point where it was late, it

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<v Speaker 1>was dark, nothing else was really going on, so we

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<v Speaker 1>back and we were in a single file line and

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<v Speaker 1>I was in front of everybody, but we were all

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<v Speaker 1>And then we got halfway up almost back up of

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<v Speaker 1>the main forest road, and while we're walking, all of

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<v Speaker 1>on the side of the road, here comes this deer

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<v Speaker 1>walking right towards us. And one of the things I

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<v Speaker 1>act like we were nothing to it. You know, it

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<v Speaker 1>was literally walking right towards us. And then it turned

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<v Speaker 1>off and walked further into the darkness and disappeared. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>this is where he got interesting. Right after seeing that

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<v Speaker 1>deer up ahead on the opposite side of the forest road,

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<v Speaker 1>something catches my attention, and keep in mind is dark.

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<v Speaker 1>We have our headlamps on it, and something reflecting over there.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know what it was at first. I'm staring

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<v Speaker 1>at it and keep mine in the forest. Out here

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<v Speaker 1>in the national forest sometimes there's these little med signs

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<v Speaker 1>and random places and basically what they tell you is

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<v Speaker 1>an odd place to have one of those. Then I'm

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<v Speaker 1>looking at it the longer I'm staring at it in

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<v Speaker 1>the dark, like it becomes in focus because what happened

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<v Speaker 1>a set of eyes. And my buddy Tracy that was

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<v Speaker 1>right behind me, Tracy, what the heck is that? And

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<v Speaker 1>my first initial thought was, is that a mountain line?

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<v Speaker 1>Because yes, there is minds over here, although the authorities

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<v Speaker 1>deny it over here in this part of the country.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's no story. But but that was my first

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<v Speaker 1>initial fit. I was like, is that a mountain line?

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<v Speaker 1>Because they were kind of those looking eyes and it

414
00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:54.640
<v Speaker 1>was low to the ground. But while we're both staring

415
00:26:54.680 --> 00:26:57.640
<v Speaker 1>at it, it like disappears, like it turns off and

416
00:26:57.799 --> 00:27:02.839
<v Speaker 1>zips off real, real fast. So Tracy he gets he

417
00:27:02.880 --> 00:27:04.200
<v Speaker 1>gets ahold of the rest of the group of the

418
00:27:04.240 --> 00:27:06.160
<v Speaker 1>guys come up here. We got some eye shine up here,

419
00:27:07.000 --> 00:27:08.880
<v Speaker 1>and so we all get up into that very same

420
00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:11.480
<v Speaker 1>spot where we saw that set of eye shine, and

421
00:27:11.839 --> 00:27:14.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, we're looking down into the woods. I keep

422
00:27:14.079 --> 00:27:16.400
<v Speaker 1>in mind, we're up higher. We didn't know. I didn't

423
00:27:16.400 --> 00:27:18.359
<v Speaker 1>realize at the time, but it did slope down a

424
00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:20.359
<v Speaker 1>little bit, you know, and then it leveled back out.

425
00:27:20.839 --> 00:27:22.599
<v Speaker 1>But we're looking in the woods there, and all of

426
00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:24.839
<v Speaker 1>a sudden we see that same set of eye shine again,

427
00:27:25.240 --> 00:27:29.559
<v Speaker 1>and it's probably between thirty thirty and forty feet maybe,

428
00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:34.960
<v Speaker 1>but we're noticing is like yellowish looking eye shine. But

429
00:27:35.279 --> 00:27:38.240
<v Speaker 1>here's the interesting thing. It was swinging side to side,

430
00:27:38.839 --> 00:27:41.119
<v Speaker 1>and we didn't know what we were looking at because

431
00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:43.079
<v Speaker 1>we didn't see no body, we didn't see no shape.

432
00:27:43.119 --> 00:27:45.759
<v Speaker 1>We're just seeing eye shines and it's like swaying side

433
00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:51.000
<v Speaker 1>to side pretty swiftly. And so we're watching this and

434
00:27:51.519 --> 00:27:54.079
<v Speaker 1>you know, whatever it was wasn't really that tall, but

435
00:27:54.119 --> 00:27:56.400
<v Speaker 1>you could tell. We estimated it had been no tall

436
00:27:56.440 --> 00:28:00.839
<v Speaker 1>than four feet tall. And again, I personally that particular

437
00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:04.079
<v Speaker 1>moment had no clue what we were looking at. Well,

438
00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:09.039
<v Speaker 1>a minute or two later, four or five feet to

439
00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:12.599
<v Speaker 1>the right of that one, another set of eye shine

440
00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:15.559
<v Speaker 1>appears a little bit taller, probably about two feet taller

441
00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:18.960
<v Speaker 1>than that four foot one, same colored eye shine. And

442
00:28:19.039 --> 00:28:21.200
<v Speaker 1>keep in mind, we're not seeing no shakes, nothing yet

443
00:28:21.599 --> 00:28:24.839
<v Speaker 1>large yellowish looking eyes. And I guess because our headlands

444
00:28:24.880 --> 00:28:27.960
<v Speaker 1>were bright, it would blink its eyes on occasions. So

445
00:28:28.039 --> 00:28:30.160
<v Speaker 1>we're looking at two different subjects. We got a small

446
00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:33.519
<v Speaker 1>one that's still steadily sell away inside to side. Now

447
00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:37.000
<v Speaker 1>we got a six foot one that's you knows, staring

448
00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:42.079
<v Speaker 1>at us, occasionally blinking its eyes, and you know, I'm like,

449
00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:44.160
<v Speaker 1>what in the world, But we look at what are these?

450
00:28:44.200 --> 00:28:47.279
<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm very familiar with this area. This is like,

451
00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:50.839
<v Speaker 1>this is my playground, this is my exploring area. You know,

452
00:28:50.839 --> 00:28:54.599
<v Speaker 1>in my research area. I've seen almost every bit of

453
00:28:54.640 --> 00:28:58.279
<v Speaker 1>wildlight that exists in there. And it's just not ringing balance.

454
00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:01.599
<v Speaker 1>And this is very odd. I wasn't even thinking about Bigfoot.

455
00:29:01.759 --> 00:29:05.880
<v Speaker 1>Bigfoot wasn't even on my mind. And then after a

456
00:29:05.920 --> 00:29:09.920
<v Speaker 1>moment observing these, the two of them, I start panning

457
00:29:09.960 --> 00:29:13.640
<v Speaker 1>around and looking and over behind the thick brush there

458
00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:16.319
<v Speaker 1>was another set of eye shine that I picked up

459
00:29:16.319 --> 00:29:19.000
<v Speaker 1>a notice. I pointed it out to everyone, and I

460
00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:21.279
<v Speaker 1>think the only one that paid attention to it was Tracy.

461
00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:25.200
<v Speaker 1>He was still beside me. Well, this set of eye shine,

462
00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:27.640
<v Speaker 1>it looked like it was on the ground, and it

463
00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:31.079
<v Speaker 1>started to raise up like it was like as if

464
00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:34.119
<v Speaker 1>it was pouched down or letting something. And it started

465
00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:37.799
<v Speaker 1>getting taller and taller and taller, and it's coming on

466
00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:43.440
<v Speaker 1>top of the bushes and to stop at another two

467
00:29:43.480 --> 00:29:46.480
<v Speaker 1>feet over top of the six foot one. So now

468
00:29:46.599 --> 00:29:49.839
<v Speaker 1>this is really getting interesting because we got three subjects

469
00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:53.319
<v Speaker 1>free of the same color. Eye shine very large. This

470
00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:55.680
<v Speaker 1>one here of the eyes looked a little wired, and

471
00:29:55.759 --> 00:29:59.160
<v Speaker 1>I said, what in the world is this. It wasn't

472
00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:02.240
<v Speaker 1>until my buddy Tracy said, guys, I think we've got

473
00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:07.079
<v Speaker 1>squadches now. When he said that, I'm thinking, okay, I

474
00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:10.079
<v Speaker 1>want to believe that, but I need to see something

475
00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:12.559
<v Speaker 1>that's gonna you know, that could confirm that. I can't

476
00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:16.519
<v Speaker 1>jump on board yet. Although all this is mysterious and

477
00:30:16.640 --> 00:30:22.400
<v Speaker 1>very interesting, it's very fascinating that tall one made a maneuver.

478
00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:26.480
<v Speaker 1>It turned to its left and took a step or

479
00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:31.440
<v Speaker 1>two and looked back. When it did that, leave the

480
00:30:31.559 --> 00:30:34.480
<v Speaker 1>light caught at the right angle. Because when it did that,

481
00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:37.279
<v Speaker 1>there was no denying what I saw. On next, you

482
00:30:37.319 --> 00:30:41.319
<v Speaker 1>can clearly see the shape of some wide, broad shoulders

483
00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:44.319
<v Speaker 1>and a big round head that was on top. And

484
00:30:44.359 --> 00:30:46.079
<v Speaker 1>when I saw that, I was like, these are not

485
00:30:46.119 --> 00:30:49.240
<v Speaker 1>no bears, And yeah, we got big bears out here,

486
00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:52.720
<v Speaker 1>but these bears don't have shoulders, you know, So here

487
00:30:52.759 --> 00:30:56.799
<v Speaker 1>I am I'm convinced that, Okay, these are large humanoid

488
00:30:56.839 --> 00:31:01.319
<v Speaker 1>looking figures here that have yeah, humans that white shoulders,

489
00:31:01.359 --> 00:31:04.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, Well, we got shoulders, but these were wide,

490
00:31:04.759 --> 00:31:06.799
<v Speaker 1>very wide and broad, and then the head on top

491
00:31:09.920 --> 00:31:11.839
<v Speaker 1>we didn't see, but you know, to be honest with we,

492
00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:13.839
<v Speaker 1>we didn't see no physical features. I would have loved

493
00:31:13.839 --> 00:31:16.000
<v Speaker 1>to see that. I would have loved to see some details,

494
00:31:16.240 --> 00:31:20.319
<v Speaker 1>but after seeing that shape, I was convinced that, like, okay,

495
00:31:20.960 --> 00:31:25.319
<v Speaker 1>I think we really do got squatches here. So after

496
00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:30.839
<v Speaker 1>this observe observation, they all seen, all three of them

497
00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:32.960
<v Speaker 1>seem to like turn off and go disappear further into

498
00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:38.519
<v Speaker 1>the darkness. And then after that we finally turned off

499
00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:42.160
<v Speaker 1>and started walking back. And as we were walking, uh oh,

500
00:31:42.279 --> 00:31:46.880
<v Speaker 1>the lady's name just Kimmy. It was Kimmy, and she

501
00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:49.559
<v Speaker 1>was she was the only one that expressed any nervousness.

502
00:31:49.640 --> 00:31:51.680
<v Speaker 1>And she was like, oh my god, God. She's like,

503
00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:55.000
<v Speaker 1>they're they're they're paralleling us, they're following us, and we

504
00:31:55.079 --> 00:31:57.680
<v Speaker 1>heard some lin snap and whatnot, you know, beside us.

505
00:31:58.240 --> 00:32:00.440
<v Speaker 1>I said, no, they're just going away. There's trying to

506
00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:02.119
<v Speaker 1>get away from us, and they're going above their business,

507
00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:05.079
<v Speaker 1>you know. But yeah, she's the only one that ever

508
00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:08.240
<v Speaker 1>expressed any nervous I never felt any fear, and I

509
00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:10.640
<v Speaker 1>think I think the region behind it was because there

510
00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:13.680
<v Speaker 1>was five others with me. If I was by myself,

511
00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:16.319
<v Speaker 1>I think I probably would have felt completely different about

512
00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:21.440
<v Speaker 1>the whole thing. But that was very interesting. Now, I

513
00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:22.880
<v Speaker 1>don't know how much time we got. I mean, I

514
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:26.319
<v Speaker 1>could share a little bit more with something that happened

515
00:32:26.359 --> 00:32:28.839
<v Speaker 1>a year later. I don't look at you have time, Okay,

516
00:32:29.480 --> 00:32:37.279
<v Speaker 1>all right, awesome. Well, the jump ahead in the year

517
00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:42.240
<v Speaker 1>twenty fifteen. It was during the hunting season, and right

518
00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:44.640
<v Speaker 1>up around the corner from that very same location where

519
00:32:44.680 --> 00:32:48.799
<v Speaker 1>we experienced that. Yeah, it was maybe not even a

520
00:32:48.880 --> 00:32:51.640
<v Speaker 1>quarter mile around the corner, but in the same section

521
00:32:51.720 --> 00:32:54.079
<v Speaker 1>of woods. There was a camp spot where I had

522
00:32:54.079 --> 00:32:57.519
<v Speaker 1>my camp set up at and it was probably about

523
00:32:57.519 --> 00:32:59.400
<v Speaker 1>ten o'clock at night, and I'm sitting there. I have

524
00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:02.039
<v Speaker 1>my fire going, my vehicle there, my shotgun lean up

525
00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:05.119
<v Speaker 1>against my vehicle. But I'm sitting there. It's very quiet.

526
00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:08.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm you know, I wasn't sleepy. I was just very

527
00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:10.559
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I was sitting there. I was bored.

528
00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:12.759
<v Speaker 1>So I was like, you know what, I'm just gonna

529
00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:17.000
<v Speaker 1>get up and walk around. I grabbed my spotlight and

530
00:33:17.119 --> 00:33:19.519
<v Speaker 1>I walked out to the middle of the forest road.

531
00:33:19.720 --> 00:33:22.119
<v Speaker 1>Now keep in mind, I do this when I can't

532
00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:24.119
<v Speaker 1>by myself or when I bring others. I was like,

533
00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:25.799
<v Speaker 1>come on, guys, let's go walk out into the road,

534
00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:28.519
<v Speaker 1>you know, and and standing in the darkness, I do

535
00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:31.279
<v Speaker 1>that for about a minute or so, just to listen

536
00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:35.519
<v Speaker 1>and look around. And so I did that. When I

537
00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:38.279
<v Speaker 1>got to the middle of the fourth road. Keep in mind,

538
00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:42.319
<v Speaker 1>my spotlight was not turned on. It was I don't

539
00:33:42.319 --> 00:33:43.799
<v Speaker 1>even have it with me to show you, but you

540
00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:46.000
<v Speaker 1>know it's a handheld one. It has got the trigger

541
00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:50.839
<v Speaker 1>on it. And well, after I stood there in the

542
00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:54.400
<v Speaker 1>darkness for a short moment, I started shining in my

543
00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:57.599
<v Speaker 1>spotlight looking at the tree line across from me. I

544
00:33:57.640 --> 00:34:00.400
<v Speaker 1>was probably about maybe twenty twenty feet from the tree,

545
00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:04.200
<v Speaker 1>and I started striding it to my left and right

546
00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:06.359
<v Speaker 1>inside the tree line. Okay, I kicked up a deer

547
00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:08.760
<v Speaker 1>and I heard the sound of a deer like jump

548
00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:11.480
<v Speaker 1>up and run off. I was, oh cool, I spooked

549
00:34:11.480 --> 00:34:15.599
<v Speaker 1>a deer, you know. So I'm paying my spotlight from

550
00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:20.159
<v Speaker 1>my left to my right, and basically you could kind

551
00:34:20.199 --> 00:34:22.960
<v Speaker 1>of picture a clock between when I got around the

552
00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:26.119
<v Speaker 1>one and hit the two o'clock position. That's when I

553
00:34:26.159 --> 00:34:30.239
<v Speaker 1>stopped because I thought, because I heard something, and immediately

554
00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:34.079
<v Speaker 1>what I was hearing was steps. Whatever was outside that

555
00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:40.119
<v Speaker 1>tree line was very large, very heavy, and without doubt,

556
00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:44.679
<v Speaker 1>by peeple, every step I heard had a crunch and

557
00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:48.119
<v Speaker 1>a thump to it. And when I heard this, I

558
00:34:48.159 --> 00:34:50.519
<v Speaker 1>mean my heart started coming up into my chest. I

559
00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:52.599
<v Speaker 1>was trying to catch my breath and my heart was

560
00:34:52.599 --> 00:34:55.639
<v Speaker 1>starting to pound because I heard this very clearly, and

561
00:34:55.719 --> 00:34:57.679
<v Speaker 1>I knew I was hearing something on two feet that

562
00:34:57.760 --> 00:35:01.159
<v Speaker 1>was very large and heavy. I didn't see nothing, but

563
00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:03.639
<v Speaker 1>like I said, it was just inside that tree line,

564
00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:07.960
<v Speaker 1>and hearing what I was hearing, knowing that it was

565
00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:10.920
<v Speaker 1>that close, was kind of freaking me out a little bit.

566
00:35:11.480 --> 00:35:17.639
<v Speaker 1>So I start walking backwards. Yeah, and with the opposite hand,

567
00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:19.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm reaching my key to my key. He's had a

568
00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:22.280
<v Speaker 1>hook to my belt loop, and I'm pushing my my

569
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:24.519
<v Speaker 1>button to make sure that my vehicle was unlocked, just

570
00:35:24.559 --> 00:35:27.199
<v Speaker 1>in case, just in case of I had to jump

571
00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:30.159
<v Speaker 1>inside and take off. But when I got back into

572
00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:33.480
<v Speaker 1>my camp I threw another long or two in my campfire.

573
00:35:34.239 --> 00:35:38.599
<v Speaker 1>I sat down and I anstantly relaxed. I mean, whatever,

574
00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:41.239
<v Speaker 1>that sense of fear just dropped. I got real comfortable

575
00:35:41.239 --> 00:35:45.559
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden and I'm sitting there just going

576
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:49.960
<v Speaker 1>through my head what I just heard and experienced, whatever

577
00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:52.239
<v Speaker 1>that was, if it meant any harm, it had every

578
00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:54.960
<v Speaker 1>opportunity to come out and attack me or you know,

579
00:35:54.960 --> 00:35:57.800
<v Speaker 1>sacked me like a football player, you know. So, but

580
00:35:58.239 --> 00:36:00.519
<v Speaker 1>this was going away from me. I had to keep

581
00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:03.400
<v Speaker 1>that in mind. That's what my thought was. Okay, That's

582
00:36:03.480 --> 00:36:05.840
<v Speaker 1>part of what calmed me down is realizing it was

583
00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:10.360
<v Speaker 1>going away from me. The one thing about this situation

584
00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:14.239
<v Speaker 1>that I compare and look at with twenty fourteen, which

585
00:36:14.360 --> 00:36:19.440
<v Speaker 1>was a year before there were deer president. At both situations. Now,

586
00:36:19.519 --> 00:36:21.880
<v Speaker 1>I've always heard a lot of people believe that bigfoot

587
00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:24.840
<v Speaker 1>hunts deer, you know, stroll. Why not? You know, it's

588
00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:29.280
<v Speaker 1>a protein, it's meat, you know, it's So that's something

589
00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:34.880
<v Speaker 1>I constantly questioned myself about those two situations, because dear President,

590
00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:40.000
<v Speaker 1>prior to the situation, were those bigfoots or assuming well

591
00:36:40.360 --> 00:36:42.480
<v Speaker 1>assuming that they actually were big foots, you know, and

592
00:36:43.639 --> 00:36:45.639
<v Speaker 1>were they about to make a hunt? Were they about

593
00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:47.519
<v Speaker 1>to go after that deal those deer that were president?

594
00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:51.719
<v Speaker 1>You know. So, yeah, that's something I constantly think about,

595
00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:54.719
<v Speaker 1>where they you know, should we interrupt something?

596
00:36:54.760 --> 00:37:01.519
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it's really really funny hearing you say that, Daniel,

597
00:37:01.719 --> 00:37:06.519
<v Speaker 2>because I was out in the forest probably no shorter

598
00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:10.400
<v Speaker 2>than two weeks ago, and I found a deer caucus

599
00:37:11.960 --> 00:37:17.960
<v Speaker 2>right next to this footprint where I got the DNA from.

600
00:37:18.559 --> 00:37:22.760
<v Speaker 2>And your experience. I've just sat here, yeah, and I've

601
00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:27.280
<v Speaker 2>just sat here for the last twenty minutes going how

602
00:37:27.519 --> 00:37:32.280
<v Speaker 2>similar is it to my experience that I've had. I've

603
00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:38.480
<v Speaker 2>had no eyes shine and no actual movement, but I

604
00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:46.599
<v Speaker 2>have had deer carcases found, scat found, footprint's been found.

605
00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:52.119
<v Speaker 2>Now with your relationship between the deer and bigfoot, I

606
00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:56.760
<v Speaker 2>am on the lines with you there where I think

607
00:37:56.800 --> 00:38:01.760
<v Speaker 2>they do hunt deer to eat, because it would make sense.

608
00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:06.519
<v Speaker 1>And it just sparked way that.

609
00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:12.960
<v Speaker 2>I found that I found many many bones near near

610
00:38:13.039 --> 00:38:17.800
<v Speaker 2>this footprint, and it just it just striked. But I

611
00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:22.360
<v Speaker 2>but five started sat for the last twenty minutes absolutely

612
00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:23.360
<v Speaker 2>in shock.

613
00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:23.840
<v Speaker 1>Me.

614
00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:28.559
<v Speaker 2>I really real re enjoyed it and it's amazing. It's

615
00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:29.159
<v Speaker 2>been wow.

616
00:38:29.239 --> 00:38:34.840
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I have now have you come across other gear

617
00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:38.079
<v Speaker 1>carcasses before in the area or just other parts of

618
00:38:38.119 --> 00:38:47.079
<v Speaker 1>the forest? Maybe no, Okay, huh, that's interesting. Do you

619
00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:53.920
<v Speaker 1>do you guys have coyotes out there. No, no coyotes. Okay,

620
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<v Speaker 1>They're all over the United States here in North America.

621
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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, there's times when we have somebody in the

622
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<v Speaker 1>evenings or early mornings. Sometimes you'll hear the pack of kyer.

623
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<v Speaker 1>They're like wolves. They'll sound off together. Sometimes you might

624
00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:10.199
<v Speaker 1>have one and then the rest of them will sound

625
00:39:10.239 --> 00:39:13.280
<v Speaker 1>off communicate, you know. But now I was just wondering

626
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<v Speaker 1>because I have seen we have wolves here too. There

627
00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:20.320
<v Speaker 1>is wolves here in the United States. But yeah, I

628
00:39:20.360 --> 00:39:24.079
<v Speaker 1>was interested because it was several years ago, coming up

629
00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:26.599
<v Speaker 1>the fourth Road headed back to my camp, I've seen

630
00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:29.199
<v Speaker 1>the deer run across the road and it was like

631
00:39:29.320 --> 00:39:32.920
<v Speaker 1>running like lightning. And then immediately following it was a

632
00:39:33.039 --> 00:39:36.159
<v Speaker 1>very large canine. Now it could have been a very

633
00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:40.679
<v Speaker 1>large coyote, but from what the view of I got

634
00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:42.760
<v Speaker 1>of it. I later learned that we do have red

635
00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:45.159
<v Speaker 1>wolves here in Virginia, the state of Virginia, here on

636
00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:48.800
<v Speaker 1>the east coast, and I got to think, I said,

637
00:39:48.840 --> 00:39:52.360
<v Speaker 1>maybe that's what that was, you know, because I've seen evidence.

638
00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:56.559
<v Speaker 1>I've seen pictures of people east of me, you know,

639
00:39:56.719 --> 00:39:59.639
<v Speaker 1>with holding up but dead wolf because they was getting

640
00:39:59.679 --> 00:40:04.320
<v Speaker 1>into its livestock and you know, the homeowner how to

641
00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:09.360
<v Speaker 1>kill it, you know, you know, to protect livestock. But so, yeah,

642
00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:13.599
<v Speaker 1>we do have wolves here, which I always keep in mind,

643
00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:16.679
<v Speaker 1>you know. Uh, in some cases I do find large

644
00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:18.639
<v Speaker 1>canine tracks out in the woods.

645
00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:23.159
<v Speaker 2>We have no no predators here at all.

646
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<v Speaker 1>Wow. Wow, that's interesting. Well that's awesome though, because you know,

647
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<v Speaker 1>and then yeah, yeah, if you could definitely rule out

648
00:40:36.519 --> 00:40:40.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, various species, that kind of gets you wondering, Okay,

649
00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:45.159
<v Speaker 1>well what here is killing this? You know? So you've

650
00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:46.400
<v Speaker 1>got primate.

651
00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:52.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's we are meant to have this big

652
00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:58.639
<v Speaker 2>black cat, which is also credited as well. So I'm like,

653
00:40:59.239 --> 00:41:03.800
<v Speaker 2>do we have of this black cat that's killing it?

654
00:41:03.880 --> 00:41:11.559
<v Speaker 2>The only only logical explanation that it died of old

655
00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:19.239
<v Speaker 2>age and and then badgers and that fox foxes then

656
00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:25.320
<v Speaker 2>took some of the skin. But when we first found it,

657
00:41:26.400 --> 00:41:31.519
<v Speaker 2>the skin, uh and the sorry, the hair was spread

658
00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:32.639
<v Speaker 2>it out everywhere.

659
00:41:34.119 --> 00:41:35.000
<v Speaker 1>So that's song.

660
00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:38.480
<v Speaker 2>I know that the hair was there, there was no

661
00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:39.719
<v Speaker 2>skin though.

662
00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:46.320
<v Speaker 1>Okay, now we're all the bones together? Were they were

663
00:41:46.320 --> 00:41:54.199
<v Speaker 1>the bones still attached together? No? Okay, Usually that's the

664
00:41:54.320 --> 00:41:58.079
<v Speaker 1>case because when he dies, whatever killed it, yeah, whatever

665
00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:00.880
<v Speaker 1>killed it. Sometimes there's other remains. You might have small

666
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:05.079
<v Speaker 1>critters that will like possums, raccoons, small things, they'll take

667
00:42:05.119 --> 00:42:06.880
<v Speaker 1>and eat the bones and they'll spread you know, something

668
00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:11.679
<v Speaker 1>that they'll spread them out. But you know that's interesting though.

669
00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:21.000
<v Speaker 2>M it's a really really weird things that we found.

670
00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:23.599
<v Speaker 2>And what I'll do and I think you're literally, I

671
00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:26.639
<v Speaker 2>think you're literally about to say this was I will

672
00:42:26.679 --> 00:42:30.280
<v Speaker 2>send you over all the photos and all the stuff

673
00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:33.519
<v Speaker 2>that we found because I think you'll be in absolute shock.

674
00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:37.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, I would definitely love to check out. I

675
00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:44.440
<v Speaker 1>was willing to send them to me. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah.

676
00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:49.320
<v Speaker 2>It's from where I'm sat right now. The forest is

677
00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:50.719
<v Speaker 2>ten minutes away from my house.

678
00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:58.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's nice. That's awesome. Yeah, you gotta love that. Yeah.

679
00:42:59.679 --> 00:43:09.079
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, So.

680
00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:11.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm no, go on, Oh no, I'm sorry, go ahead.

681
00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:20.480
<v Speaker 2>So my last two, my last two things for you, Daniel. Now,

682
00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:23.400
<v Speaker 2>I would love to do another interview with you, because

683
00:43:23.400 --> 00:43:26.639
<v Speaker 2>I've got two pages full of questions and I'm not

684
00:43:26.679 --> 00:43:35.440
<v Speaker 2>gonna have time. So my last two questions for you

685
00:43:35.800 --> 00:43:40.480
<v Speaker 2>is what advice would you give someone who might have

686
00:43:40.519 --> 00:43:41.480
<v Speaker 2>a big foot encounter?

687
00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:50.519
<v Speaker 1>Well, sometimes some Well, first of all, there's some people

688
00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:56.280
<v Speaker 1>then a lot of well, I should say a lot

689
00:43:56.320 --> 00:43:59.760
<v Speaker 1>of people. It shocks a lot of people. Sometimes I

690
00:43:59.840 --> 00:44:02.760
<v Speaker 1>put them selves in disbelief. But then again, you know

691
00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:07.840
<v Speaker 1>what you saw and a majority of people that have

692
00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:11.440
<v Speaker 1>experiences and I've learned this over the years. A lot

693
00:44:11.480 --> 00:44:14.480
<v Speaker 1>of people have seen things and experience things and it

694
00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:19.679
<v Speaker 1>could be traumatizing to them. And but yet they're they

695
00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:22.440
<v Speaker 1>have fear of sharing the information they're there. They have

696
00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:28.920
<v Speaker 1>fear of telling somebody because sadly, there's so much ridicule

697
00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:35.280
<v Speaker 1>and mockery from other people, especially if they're non believers

698
00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:38.199
<v Speaker 1>or skeptics. People don't want to share things because they

699
00:44:38.199 --> 00:44:39.599
<v Speaker 1>don't want to get made in front of They got

700
00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:45.559
<v Speaker 1>reputations to you know, to obtain and maintain, and if

701
00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:47.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, the best thing to do is is to

702
00:44:48.039 --> 00:44:51.039
<v Speaker 1>talk about it. But you know, get comfortable with people. Uh, well,

703
00:44:51.400 --> 00:44:54.159
<v Speaker 1>let the people get comfortable with you. Uh. And by

704
00:44:54.199 --> 00:44:57.239
<v Speaker 1>doing so, like I've done, don't be afraid to do

705
00:44:57.280 --> 00:44:59.719
<v Speaker 1>what you're doing. Now You're you're putting yourself out there,

706
00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:02.880
<v Speaker 1>which it's a big step, you know, especially at a

707
00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:06.519
<v Speaker 1>young age. You're doing a good thing. And a lot

708
00:45:06.559 --> 00:45:08.599
<v Speaker 1>of us believe that the youth need to step up

709
00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:14.559
<v Speaker 1>in and start looking into this more you know and

710
00:45:14.599 --> 00:45:17.599
<v Speaker 1>I and the more you put the word about out

711
00:45:17.639 --> 00:45:18.320
<v Speaker 1>their year.

712
00:45:19.840 --> 00:45:24.880
<v Speaker 2>And I will say that that is one of my jobs.

713
00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:30.519
<v Speaker 2>I've started a Bigfoot convention here in the UK, a

714
00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:38.079
<v Speaker 2>yearly big Now. I had probably about forty different people

715
00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:40.880
<v Speaker 2>turn up to my last one. We had guest speakers,

716
00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:43.920
<v Speaker 2>and we had all sorts, and we had children that

717
00:45:43.960 --> 00:45:48.280
<v Speaker 2>were there from ten minutes before the event started until

718
00:45:48.320 --> 00:45:54.119
<v Speaker 2>it ended. That's four hours to listen to Bigfoot.

719
00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:54.800
<v Speaker 1>Now.

720
00:45:54.960 --> 00:46:00.320
<v Speaker 2>That is my end goal to get all the people

721
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:03.400
<v Speaker 2>in the UK to know about bigfoot, because when you

722
00:46:03.519 --> 00:46:07.719
<v Speaker 2>bring the word up bigfoot here in the UK, you'll

723
00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:11.360
<v Speaker 2>get laughed at. You will get laughed at right, and

724
00:46:11.400 --> 00:46:17.079
<v Speaker 2>they'll go, what stupid thing to do? Now, there's only

725
00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:21.000
<v Speaker 2>a small amount of people here in the UK that

726
00:46:21.159 --> 00:46:26.920
<v Speaker 2>will believe in Bigfoot. Now when when I go, these

727
00:46:26.960 --> 00:46:30.840
<v Speaker 2>creatures are real, These creatures are out there in some

728
00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:37.920
<v Speaker 2>shape or form. And that's why I've started my team.

729
00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:43.280
<v Speaker 2>I've started another beer Bigfoot team and we're all coming

730
00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:48.000
<v Speaker 2>together to kind of really push bigfoot here in the

731
00:46:48.119 --> 00:46:51.880
<v Speaker 2>UK and not and not only here, to try and

732
00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:55.840
<v Speaker 2>push it everywhere, to get that word out there that

733
00:46:55.840 --> 00:47:00.960
<v Speaker 2>that these creatures are here, and how the more people

734
00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:04.800
<v Speaker 2>we get involved, the more chance we have of proving

735
00:47:04.880 --> 00:47:05.880
<v Speaker 2>that something's real.

736
00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:13.360
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely absolutely. One thing you could do too, is totally

737
00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:17.719
<v Speaker 1>up to you. One thing I do. I have cards

738
00:47:17.719 --> 00:47:19.519
<v Speaker 1>made up, you know, like I don't if you can

739
00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:22.440
<v Speaker 1>see that, but that's you know, my business card has

740
00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:25.760
<v Speaker 1>got got my picture up there. It's got basic information

741
00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:30.280
<v Speaker 1>about who has got me, my group that I organize,

742
00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:33.079
<v Speaker 1>and then you could put whatever contact. If you don't

743
00:47:33.079 --> 00:47:35.159
<v Speaker 1>want your phone number up there, you can put your

744
00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:37.719
<v Speaker 1>email up there if you have email. I got. I

745
00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:40.199
<v Speaker 1>got my event website because I host an annual event

746
00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:42.679
<v Speaker 1>myself every year, so I do. I actually I just

747
00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:44.760
<v Speaker 1>started a second event which is coming up a month

748
00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:49.480
<v Speaker 1>before my other events. So so yeah, I'm very busy myself.

749
00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:53.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm either out in the field, researching, working, or doing

750
00:47:53.320 --> 00:47:56.159
<v Speaker 1>an event somewhere. I speak at a lot of events too,

751
00:47:56.360 --> 00:47:59.400
<v Speaker 1>so so yeah, that's something you could. You can have

752
00:47:59.519 --> 00:48:02.360
<v Speaker 1>some of these up online and print them out and

753
00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:04.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, you can share them, put them out in

754
00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:07.559
<v Speaker 1>different public places if you're you know, if places allow that.

755
00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:11.360
<v Speaker 1>But I put I put these up everywhere, and it's

756
00:48:11.400 --> 00:48:16.639
<v Speaker 1>actually it's actually worked out great because there's some people

757
00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:19.760
<v Speaker 1>that will learn about you. You know, in time, they'll

758
00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:23.559
<v Speaker 1>feel comfortable to say, Daniel, I've seen something I want

759
00:48:23.559 --> 00:48:25.079
<v Speaker 1>to tell you about it. You know, they'll get comfortable

760
00:48:25.159 --> 00:48:27.679
<v Speaker 1>enough to start sharing things with you. And and the

761
00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:30.800
<v Speaker 1>more you start doing that, like with your events, you'll

762
00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:33.719
<v Speaker 1>have people. Your event will be a safe place for

763
00:48:33.800 --> 00:48:36.559
<v Speaker 1>people because they're gonna want to come check it out

764
00:48:36.559 --> 00:48:39.400
<v Speaker 1>and they're gonna like, Okay, I could tell these people

765
00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:42.719
<v Speaker 1>about what I saw or you know, or what I experienced.

766
00:48:42.920 --> 00:48:45.119
<v Speaker 1>So and we have a lot of that because I

767
00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:48.639
<v Speaker 1>mean my events, we had vendors and sell stuff. But yeah,

768
00:48:48.679 --> 00:48:54.639
<v Speaker 1>I have my guest speakers too, and again people want

769
00:48:54.639 --> 00:48:58.119
<v Speaker 1>to ask questions to the speakers or a lot of people.

770
00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:00.000
<v Speaker 1>They a lot of people that come out to my events,

771
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:02.519
<v Speaker 1>so they know who I am, so they hunt me

772
00:49:02.599 --> 00:49:04.800
<v Speaker 1>down and want to talk to me. And I know

773
00:49:04.840 --> 00:49:11.320
<v Speaker 1>they like doing that, so I go hide somewhere. I'm busy,

774
00:49:11.599 --> 00:49:13.800
<v Speaker 1>but no, I don't mind. I love talking to people.

775
00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:15.840
<v Speaker 1>But sometimes some people take up too much of your

776
00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:18.559
<v Speaker 1>time when you try to you've got other things going on.

777
00:49:19.480 --> 00:49:26.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, yeah, so yeah, but you'll learn, You'll you'll

778
00:49:26.639 --> 00:49:28.199
<v Speaker 3>see that you'll get people wanting to talk to you

779
00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:29.679
<v Speaker 3>and share stories with you yourself.

780
00:49:30.519 --> 00:49:36.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that is that is probably my main goal

781
00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:41.840
<v Speaker 2>is to kind of get a comfortable community that will

782
00:49:41.880 --> 00:49:46.719
<v Speaker 2>come and share with me myself, my my team, and

783
00:49:46.840 --> 00:49:51.480
<v Speaker 2>to kind of share and go, look, I've seen this,

784
00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:56.519
<v Speaker 2>can can can you guys help me? That is what

785
00:49:56.599 --> 00:50:03.039
<v Speaker 2>I want my goal to kind of be. So yeah, yea.

786
00:50:03.679 --> 00:50:07.599
<v Speaker 2>So my last question for you is what is the

787
00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:10.599
<v Speaker 2>most interesting thing You've learned about big Foot over the

788
00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:11.880
<v Speaker 2>years of your researching?

789
00:50:16.039 --> 00:50:22.079
<v Speaker 1>The most interesting thing I've learned about Bigfoot? Well, besides

790
00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:32.119
<v Speaker 1>bigfoot being a very mysterious subject. Ah, well, oh man,

791
00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:34.639
<v Speaker 1>there's so many different directions I can go there, but

792
00:50:34.760 --> 00:50:40.119
<v Speaker 1>to keep it simple, I don't know. I guess it dry.

793
00:50:40.239 --> 00:50:42.960
<v Speaker 1>It brings a lot of people together. It definitely, it

794
00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:47.039
<v Speaker 1>brings a lot of people together. You'll you'll learn that

795
00:50:47.119 --> 00:50:52.320
<v Speaker 1>it will bring skeptics, enthusiasts, and believers and non believers together.

796
00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:54.480
<v Speaker 1>The non believers are curing us to come together to

797
00:50:54.559 --> 00:50:59.880
<v Speaker 1>hear about it. But you'll learn that it's it's it's

798
00:50:59.880 --> 00:51:02.679
<v Speaker 1>a uh, it's a fun subject. The more you get

799
00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:06.920
<v Speaker 1>into it, you know, like I tell everybody, you gotta

800
00:51:06.920 --> 00:51:10.800
<v Speaker 1>have fun with it. But yeah, I mean, for now,

801
00:51:10.840 --> 00:51:12.519
<v Speaker 1>I think that's all I can really say about that.

802
00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:16.360
<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah, right now, it's a fun subject. It's it's

803
00:51:16.360 --> 00:51:19.639
<v Speaker 1>been educational because it puts me in other directions, you know,

804
00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:23.119
<v Speaker 1>the research, and it's opened up a new world to me.

805
00:51:23.519 --> 00:51:26.280
<v Speaker 1>And I'm sure you probably it's probably doing the same

806
00:51:26.280 --> 00:51:29.159
<v Speaker 1>thing with you right now, and then other opportunities and

807
00:51:29.199 --> 00:51:32.760
<v Speaker 1>other doors will open to you and other revelations will

808
00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:34.760
<v Speaker 1>come about, like hey, wait a minute, you know I'm

809
00:51:34.800 --> 00:51:38.119
<v Speaker 1>gonna start researching and reading about this. So yeah, it's

810
00:51:38.199 --> 00:51:40.840
<v Speaker 1>put me in in different positions of research and read

811
00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:43.760
<v Speaker 1>and learn about other things that I can relate and

812
00:51:43.760 --> 00:51:45.199
<v Speaker 1>and put together with my research.

813
00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:49.960
<v Speaker 4>So you know, I've had the opportunity to be featured

814
00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:54.400
<v Speaker 4>in Yeah, I've been featured in a few bigfoot documentaries,

815
00:51:55.159 --> 00:51:59.920
<v Speaker 4>and they it's been education because by me being in

816
00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:02.719
<v Speaker 4>these different Bigfoot films, it allows me to share my

817
00:52:02.800 --> 00:52:04.480
<v Speaker 4>awareness and spread my awareness.

818
00:52:04.599 --> 00:52:09.760
<v Speaker 1>So so yeah, I mean there's a lot of opportunities

819
00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:14.280
<v Speaker 1>in this too. But you know, as you being a

820
00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:16.800
<v Speaker 1>young gentleman, I would tell you, I'd like to tell

821
00:52:16.840 --> 00:52:22.400
<v Speaker 1>you and others is too. Don't let this be careful

822
00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:24.159
<v Speaker 1>in the direction it might take you in, because some

823
00:52:24.199 --> 00:52:26.199
<v Speaker 1>people take this and only use it to make money

824
00:52:26.199 --> 00:52:29.719
<v Speaker 1>off of Bigfoot's a big money bracket, you know, So

825
00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:32.679
<v Speaker 1>just be careful with that. Don't let don't let it

826
00:52:32.679 --> 00:52:34.679
<v Speaker 1>take you in that direction. It's okay to make money

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<v Speaker 1>off of it, but just don't let it let that

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<v Speaker 1>control you, you know. But yeah, yeah, that's that's one

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<v Speaker 1>thing I would tell people too, So.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, so done. It's been lovely, lovely chatting

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<v Speaker 2>with you, and I am i am going to have

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<v Speaker 2>to do another part two with you because I have

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<v Speaker 2>so many questions and I'm not and I've not been

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<v Speaker 2>able to kind of cover them in one hour. But

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<v Speaker 2>thank you so much, Daniel, and thank you so much everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>If if you guys watching have any questions for for Daniel,

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<v Speaker 2>please just comment or you I'm sure he wouldn't mind

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<v Speaker 2>if you messaged him on Facebook. But thank you so

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<v Speaker 2>much guys, and keep searching and stay mythical.
