Speaker 1: Police in Las Vegas found themselves in the middle of
Speaker 1: a U f O mystery last month. A big guy
Speaker 1: to have big eye. I'm wondering around out here, said
Speaker 1: a followed the stattoos. So that's why I'm kind of curiously.
Speaker 1: I don't know yet in your yard. Ethical Legends podcast
Speaker 1: with host Daniel Barnett.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Mythical Mythical Legends podcast. Today we have
Speaker 2: an amazing guest, bigfoot researcher and crypto zoologist. Let's welcome
Speaker 2: Daniel Bamoir. You are more welcome to ask any questions
Speaker 2: in the comments and let and let's have fun.
Speaker 1: Hi Daniel, Hello, thank you for having me yourself. Daniel,
Speaker 1: hell day, You've got a good name. I'm doing great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thing for having me on here. Where are you based?
Speaker 1: I am located here in the United States. I am
Speaker 1: based out of the state of Virginia. I'm currently right now,
Speaker 1: I'm in the state of Pennsylvania. I've been doing some
Speaker 1: Bigfoot research and some projects up here I'm working on.
Speaker 1: I've done a lot of research up and down the
Speaker 1: East Coast, but right now I been getting into it
Speaker 1: here at this to Pennsylvania in the United States and Yeah,
Speaker 1: I represent the East Coast. I do a lot of
Speaker 1: my research here on the East coast of the United States,
Speaker 1: so I have yet to do a lot more traveling,
Speaker 1: but I've been doing enough lately, so.
Speaker 2: Amazing. So could you tell our listeners a little bit
Speaker 2: about yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I always find it hard to figure out where
Speaker 1: to start, but you know, I've been involved with the
Speaker 1: Bigfoot research for approximately thirteen plus years now. You know,
Speaker 1: I grew up in the outdoors. Ever since I was
Speaker 1: a young child myself, I was either out in the
Speaker 1: woods hunting with dad or playing in the woods, So
Speaker 1: you know, I was well acquainted and well familiar with
Speaker 1: the outdoors, and wildlife has been my specialty over the years.
Speaker 1: I specialized in a lot of the known species of wildlife,
Speaker 1: and you know, when I stepped foot in the Bigfoot world,
Speaker 1: I brought my wildlife expertise and my knowledge and play
Speaker 1: with the research. And I guess if I could get
Speaker 1: a little bit more specific on that one thing. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you've noticed, but you'll probably see it
Speaker 1: the more you watch and listening. You know, in the
Speaker 1: big thort of community, specially on social media, a lot
Speaker 1: of people when they get involved with bigfoot research or
Speaker 1: any kind of cryptid field, they tend to forget and
Speaker 1: lose the fact that we have wildlife other than bigfoot.
Speaker 1: And that's where I try to bring that form of
Speaker 1: education and an awareness to people that we're neglecting all
Speaker 1: these other species. So it's very important to slow it down,
Speaker 1: take a deep breath, and start with the basics, and
Speaker 1: consider what we already have that is known versus the unknown.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so that's where I've been taking this. I
Speaker 1: do a lot of presentations, I speaking of a lot
Speaker 1: of various events, and my biggest goal and my mission
Speaker 1: behind this is spreading awareness both of who I am,
Speaker 1: what I do. I like to share my views on things.
Speaker 1: If I learned something, I want to share it with somebody.
Speaker 1: And one thing about me. I try not to force
Speaker 1: my beliefs on anybody, but I try to present it
Speaker 1: in a way where I want people to at least
Speaker 1: consider it, at least, you know, think about it for
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, because you know, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of theories out there, a lot of theories, and
Speaker 1: people need to you know, pay attention to them, but
Speaker 1: kind of put them on the back burner and maybe
Speaker 1: when something's presented that sounds bizarre. Like I tell people,
Speaker 1: you got to take everything with a grain of salt,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, you gotta be careful what you
Speaker 1: what you see and believe. You know. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: if you're familiar with less Croud survivor man less crowd. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's one thing. Yeah, there's one thing he said I'll
Speaker 1: never forget. There's one thing he said that And I
Speaker 1: use this in mind. I bring it up in my
Speaker 1: presentations and I share it to people. Well, the one
Speaker 1: thing he said I'll never forget is don't fall prey
Speaker 1: to deception, you know, and for those who might not
Speaker 1: understand that, don't be gobbled, don't fall into you know,
Speaker 1: don't be pulled into something that you don't know nothing about.
Speaker 1: You know. That's where the research, you know, the investigation
Speaker 1: comes in play. You know. I know a lot of
Speaker 1: it's easier said than done because a lot of people
Speaker 1: such as myself, when I first started off in this,
Speaker 1: I'll be one of the first to admit everything when
Speaker 1: I went into the woods, every odd thing I found,
Speaker 1: or even if it's something I heard that I couldn't explain.
Speaker 1: Of course, it was big quick, it was big quick
Speaker 1: and I'm wrong. I learn you to learn that was wrong.
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of people that are still like
Speaker 1: that today, grown adults that are like that, you know,
Speaker 1: and I see it every day. And but I have
Speaker 1: to be understanding because again I was like that myself
Speaker 1: because I was I was excited. I'm still excited. I'm
Speaker 1: forty I'm almost forty four years old and in the
Speaker 1: subject really excites me till this day. So so I'm
Speaker 1: like a big kid myself. But yeah, I have to
Speaker 1: you know, there's a serious side to this studio. So yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, we just have to, you know.
Speaker 2: And it really reminds me of when I'm out doing
Speaker 2: my my own research, because in a way, I'm very
Speaker 2: very similar to what your work is. When you go out,
Speaker 2: everything's bigfoot. But I have to kind of contain that.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if you know, but I've found
Speaker 2: primate DNA here in the okay, and I've had to
Speaker 2: be really very yeah, yeah, and I've had to be
Speaker 2: really really careful to not go, oh, it's just all
Speaker 2: big for oh, it's all this, it's all that. I'm
Speaker 2: like you, you have to kind of contain it, don't you.
Speaker 1: All right, yeah, I mean it's easier said than done. Sometimes,
Speaker 1: you know, we want to believe it's big for or I
Speaker 1: think it's big for it. But like, for example, when
Speaker 1: I'm out in the woods, I have come across very
Speaker 1: simple as the hair. But the hair that I've always
Speaker 1: come across, I could identify it because I'm familiar with
Speaker 1: what's doing it or what's leaving it behind. Bears for example,
Speaker 1: we excuse me, here on the East Coast and the
Speaker 1: United States, I mean, and throughout the rest of the
Speaker 1: United States, we have black bears. You know. Of course,
Speaker 1: then you go further out west, you got the brown bears,
Speaker 1: and you got the grid leaves up north. But black
Speaker 1: bears are very common here. And like I've taken people out,
Speaker 1: look at a small pine tree that's been broken snapped over,
Speaker 1: and a majority of the time, but not all the time,
Speaker 1: if you take your time to look it over, you'll
Speaker 1: see hair fibers. You'll see hair that get stuck and
Speaker 1: stagged behind on the pine trees. And you know, I
Speaker 1: tell people take a look at that. I said, what
Speaker 1: do you see? Those are hairs? You know, they get excited.
Speaker 1: I said, all right, exactly what they are. But I
Speaker 1: tell them what they are. I've had you know, I've
Speaker 1: learned this long time ago when I've had samples testing,
Speaker 1: and I started studying bears very closely. But black bears
Speaker 1: are notorious or famous for pushing and breaking and playing
Speaker 1: on trees, especially small cells such as pine trees. So yeah,
Speaker 1: majority of the time when I see a broken tree,
Speaker 1: I'll look for the hair fires, you know, just to
Speaker 1: see if if it was a wildlfe species or something
Speaker 1: that may have done it. But but yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: as far as collecting hairs, I mean, I hope I
Speaker 1: find something more incredibly later, you know, something other than
Speaker 1: black beer. You know, I would love to find some
Speaker 1: kind of primate here. You know, that would be awesome though,
Speaker 1: you know, regardless of what their primate might be, you know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and everybody, yeah, everybody has a different view.
Speaker 2: It's it's really it's really really interesting here here about
Speaker 2: where everyone has seen and where what what people have found,
Speaker 2: and what they've got they've kind of tested. Now you
Speaker 2: testing hair is really it is really really interesting to
Speaker 2: me because it's something it's something that I that I
Speaker 2: kind of want to do myself. So it's kind of
Speaker 2: a why a one way system there where we all
Speaker 2: can't we all kind of learn our own different things
Speaker 2: and then we come together and join one. It's like
Speaker 2: I've started a team here in the UK for Bigfoot
Speaker 2: to try and everything that is found here in the
Speaker 2: UK to bring together to this team to kind of
Speaker 2: then increase our chances of finding something. If you know me.
Speaker 1: Right, absolutely, No, just curious. I was wondering, do you
Speaker 1: know Andrew McGrath. Are you familiar with him?
Speaker 2: Annie McGrath, I happen to have an interview with tomorrow Daniel.
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, because yeah, he lives out your way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's been on my podcast as well. He's a great guy,
Speaker 1: full of knowledge and you may find him very interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think you really willy, Like I said,
Speaker 1: he I know he's busy because you know, he's got
Speaker 1: a wisen kids himself. So but you know, he he
Speaker 1: does a lot of research with various cryptids and I
Speaker 1: think even out there, I think they do. He does
Speaker 1: research on black panthers or black big large black cats
Speaker 1: out that way, which is interesting. I haven't spoken to
Speaker 1: him in a long time, but yeah, he's a great guy. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So yeah.
Speaker 2: If we move on, if we move on slightly. Could
Speaker 2: you tell us how you got interested in the Bigfoot mystery?
Speaker 1: Well, you know, you know what got me involved, were
Speaker 1: a big part of it. I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people can relate relate to this if you're familiar with
Speaker 1: the Roger Pattinson and Bob Ginland footage. So that took
Speaker 1: place in Bluff Creek, Calumnia back in nineteen sixty seven.
Speaker 1: That video footage actually treaud me. A couple of things
Speaker 1: that I found interesting about that was that back during
Speaker 1: that time period or error, as far as we know,
Speaker 1: they didn't have the technology to produce such a costume.
Speaker 1: If that was a costume, I mean, where did it
Speaker 1: come from? If it was a costume? You know, it's
Speaker 1: you know, even to this day, it's still debatable. But
Speaker 1: now even though I feel convinced over it doesn't mean,
Speaker 1: you know, doesn't mean it can't be fake. But that
Speaker 1: there got me intrigued is to start looking into the
Speaker 1: subject along. There has been a few other things here
Speaker 1: and there, because over the years, science has gotten involved
Speaker 1: and they dissected the video. According to science, everything points
Speaker 1: towards this being a real flesh and creature. However, you know,
Speaker 1: we got the careful with science has flaws and science
Speaker 1: has been known to be wrong before. So but with
Speaker 1: that being said again, personally, I feel like it's it's
Speaker 1: legit and so, like I said, that kind of opened
Speaker 1: my eyes to start looking into it, you know. And
Speaker 1: then when I got on social media like Facebook, for example,
Speaker 1: I was kind of blown away by how many people
Speaker 1: were actually involved with this, you know, and then learning
Speaker 1: and seeing all the different theories that people were thrown
Speaker 1: out there. I was basically the one person. I was
Speaker 1: like the kid in the back of the classroom, you know,
Speaker 1: listening to the different theories. But I was taking notes.
Speaker 1: I didn't jump on board with any of them. I
Speaker 1: didn't believe any of them, but some of them found
Speaker 1: very some of them sound convincing. But I wanted to
Speaker 1: look into it. That that drove me to look into
Speaker 1: it and do a lot more research, you know. Here
Speaker 1: I'm I'm already familiar with the outdoors, I'm familiar with wildlife.
Speaker 1: Uh so a lot of my research, you know, I
Speaker 1: started doing some research out of the field, you know.
Speaker 1: I started looking on various topics and subjects, uh to
Speaker 1: get a better understanding, you know, a lot of things,
Speaker 1: and the more I got involved with this, the more
Speaker 1: I drew into this. For some reason, primates, non human
Speaker 1: species of primates, guerrillas, champanzees, and so forth, became my
Speaker 1: area of interest because I wanted to study their behaviors.
Speaker 1: I wanted to study what they're known for doing, what
Speaker 1: they've been observed doing, because a lot of people are
Speaker 1: stating all these alleged facts or you know, whatever they
Speaker 1: may have observed seeing Bigfoot do. And when I started
Speaker 1: researching about our non human species of primates, I started
Speaker 1: to pick up and compare what people are witnessing in
Speaker 1: the United States and various areas around the world with
Speaker 1: our non species of non human primates. And I've started
Speaker 1: to pick up that, hey, there's a lot of similarities here.
Speaker 1: People saying Bigfoot's doing this, bigfoots does this? Bigfoot you
Speaker 1: know the Wait a minute, I have stopped and look.
Speaker 1: Wait to manute, Chimpanzees do this, Gorillas do this? You know,
Speaker 1: these are all primate characteristics and behaviors. So the more
Speaker 1: I looked into it, I started in mind, this is
Speaker 1: just me now in my own conclusion, I believe that
Speaker 1: Bigfoot is some type of primate, you know, but undiscovered unclassified.
Speaker 1: So I want to be careful when I say that,
Speaker 1: because I'm not saying big pots of gorilla. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying he's a chimpanzee. There's a lot of people that
Speaker 1: believe that he's a type of human. But then I
Speaker 1: personally have an issue with that, because if you believe
Speaker 1: he's a human hybrid. Well, back in the I think
Speaker 1: it was back to nineteen forties, there was a Russian
Speaker 1: experiment with a gentleman by the name of Ivan, Well
Speaker 1: his name longer than that. I just call him Ivan,
Speaker 1: it's easier pronounce. But yeah, where he tried to impregnate
Speaker 1: a human female with chimpanzee you know, DNA or sperm them,
Speaker 1: and he had several attempts and he was never successful.
Speaker 1: It was a failed experiment because the way I look
Speaker 1: at it, this is the scientific way I look at things.
Speaker 1: Only humans could breed with humans. You know, Yes, a
Speaker 1: chimpanzee's DNA is basically a one point eight percent difference
Speaker 1: is compared to arts. However, it's still that little percentage
Speaker 1: is actually a big difference. People don't realize how big
Speaker 1: that percentage really is. You cannot breed a human with
Speaker 1: a horse or a horse with a cat. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm just making some random comparisons here, but it's got
Speaker 1: to be a species of its own kind. You know.
Speaker 1: Science says, yes, chimpanzees are closest living relative according to them.
Speaker 1: It is I look at things more in a biblical background,
Speaker 1: you know, And you know, I try to get too
Speaker 1: involved that because people don't want to get into that,
Speaker 1: which is it can be kind of complicated depending on
Speaker 1: how you look at that, how far back you look
Speaker 1: into it. But I just believe every species could only
Speaker 1: breed with it in its own kind. You know, Yes, horses,
Speaker 1: the different breed of strain of horses, horses, donkeys, mules,
Speaker 1: you know, zebras, they're all of the same bloodline. You know,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna have a horse and a dog. You know,
Speaker 1: that's impossible. But you know, I mean you understand what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, right, you.
Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, yeah, and yeah we've and I've almost kind
Speaker 2: of proved your theory there where in in this DNA
Speaker 2: that I found here, we add humans, great apes and
Speaker 2: old war monkey. Now, the old war monkey we cannot
Speaker 2: explain at all. It's it's just another thing.
Speaker 1: Now that was very weird. I remember the result.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And with the Great apes, people were
Speaker 2: saying that possibly human and great apes could have been combined.
Speaker 2: Now the question goes to me, is could it possibly
Speaker 2: whatever this creature is have some great eight DNA which
Speaker 2: means it could possibly relate to humans. Now I don't
Speaker 2: know whether that's possible or not, but it just raises questions,
Speaker 2: if you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, you're right. Yeah. You know, like with
Speaker 1: all these different testings in the way some of these
Speaker 1: anthropologists and other scientists look into this subject, some of
Speaker 1: it's above my head, you know, or over my head. However,
Speaker 1: I do try to play close attention as best I can,
Speaker 1: and I try to keep an open mind, I really do.
Speaker 1: I try to keep an open mind, but yet I
Speaker 1: try to remain objective, you know. I don't want to
Speaker 1: believe will go along with this certain belief because the
Speaker 1: majority of the people believe that I have, you know,
Speaker 1: until things are laid out in stone and officially proven.
Speaker 1: I have to keep that open mind and think you're
Speaker 1: focused and looking in other directions because I feel like
Speaker 1: there's certain other directions that are being overlooked or just neglected,
Speaker 1: you know, when we should be focusing over here when
Speaker 1: everyone's thinking with their imagination, Oh it might be this,
Speaker 1: you know, But yeah, I think DNA. I mean, if
Speaker 1: if you have DNA, and I'm a firm believer in
Speaker 1: you can have DNA samples, I can say this and
Speaker 1: this and this, But unless you have a bigfoot body
Speaker 1: to compare those samples too, we can't say, well, this
Speaker 1: is what this is coming from. A lot of people
Speaker 1: don't realize that you need their specimen, you know, otherwise.
Speaker 1: But I don't see.
Speaker 2: I will say that the only thing that has stumped
Speaker 2: the researchers here in the UK, and the researchers that
Speaker 2: actually worked on this DNA was the UK has no
Speaker 2: wild primates at all, No no wild primates. Now that
Speaker 2: is the only thing that that the lab went, oh,
Speaker 2: now is there something else out there? And one of
Speaker 2: the scientists stood there and now these guys are scientists,
Speaker 2: and for the first time this guy said, this kid
Speaker 2: may have actually done it, may have actually found something
Speaker 2: quite significant. Now, obviously there's a lot more to go,
Speaker 2: but it's that step closer where we go. We now
Speaker 2: have actual DNA, a proof that there is possibly something.
Speaker 2: Now there's a lot more to go out there, but
Speaker 2: I think it's really it's a really interesting find.
Speaker 1: Right absolutely, and from what I we called your discovery,
Speaker 1: I think that's amazing. I mean, of course it's coming
Speaker 1: from a Daniel, so that's a good fan. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we may have the same first thing, but we have
Speaker 1: we are, I would say, we have the same initials.
Speaker 1: Your last ants aren't, right, Yeah, yeah we do. I think. Yeah.
Speaker 1: My last name has been wir. It's a French name,
Speaker 1: so yeah, yeah, yeah, I think you know. Oh go ahead, I'm.
Speaker 2: Sorry, that's all right. The delay is hard, so that's fine.
Speaker 2: So what have you had any big Foots in Counters experiences?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've had a few different experiences over the years,
Speaker 1: but one in particular happened back in twenty fourteen. It
Speaker 1: was during one of my group of campouts with you know,
Speaker 1: some of my team members, and yeah, it was just
Speaker 1: basically a camping expedition. We did a lot of exploring
Speaker 1: during the day and we were out there for most
Speaker 1: of us who were out there for the whole week,
Speaker 1: some of them couldn't stay the whole week. But May
Speaker 1: third of twenty fifteen, after a day of exploring up
Speaker 1: behind camp, you know, and then coming back and hanging
Speaker 1: out of camp, we decided to go do a night
Speaker 1: hike in the area where we were camping at. Keep
Speaker 1: in mind, there's a lake almost a mile from where
Speaker 1: we set up camp, and we decided, come on, the guy,
Speaker 1: let's go down to the lake. You know, it's starting
Speaker 1: to get dark, and so we left camp on foot
Speaker 1: worked the way down to the lake. Well, we're like
Speaker 1: I said, there was six of us all together. So
Speaker 1: we paired up in Tuesday and we spread out around
Speaker 1: the lake, a couple of us. We know, we had
Speaker 1: some pair of our pair of bag MIC's where we
Speaker 1: were listening. We all had radio communication and you know
Speaker 1: after listening and uh we you know, we don't really
Speaker 1: hear nothing except the one lady that was with us.
Speaker 1: She's a small lady, older woman. Real quick. Are you
Speaker 1: familiar with Bobo from the show Binding Finding Bigfoot? Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: so if you ever if you ever heard him do
Speaker 1: his vocalizations, Well, this little lady, she I consider her
Speaker 1: like the female version of Bobo. He her vocalization sounded
Speaker 1: just like Bobo. And I got on the radio and
Speaker 1: I said, I'm having a brain for I'm forgetting her name.
Speaker 1: But I told her. I said, hey, go ahead, give
Speaker 1: a vocal station. Go ahead, give one of your sounds off,
Speaker 1: and then when you do it, we'll all stop and listen.
Speaker 1: And she gave off her vocalization, and I was surprised
Speaker 1: to hear that. Probably about ten seconds or so after
Speaker 1: she got done, we actually got a response, but it
Speaker 1: was a little bit further in the distance. It sounded
Speaker 1: like a team from over the opposite ridge, which I
Speaker 1: thought was cool, you know, I said, Okay, we got something,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, it was better than what we
Speaker 1: were getting before that, which was nothing. And you know,
Speaker 1: again we were you know, on occasions we were here,
Speaker 1: a couple of limps snapped way up on the ridge
Speaker 1: directly behind us. But you know that could have been anything,
Speaker 1: because you know those bears here in the other life. Well,
Speaker 1: it got to the point where it was late, it
Speaker 1: was dark, nothing else was really going on, so we
Speaker 1: decided to regroup and head back to camp. By this time,
Speaker 1: it was just about midnight, and so we started walking
Speaker 1: back and we were in a single file line and
Speaker 1: I was in front of everybody, but we were all
Speaker 1: talking at normal tone. We weren't trying to keep quiet.
Speaker 1: And then we got halfway up almost back up of
Speaker 1: the main forest road, and while we're walking, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, like ten feet right in front of me
Speaker 1: on the side of the road, here comes this deer
Speaker 1: walking right towards us. And one of the things I
Speaker 1: thought was interesting was it didn't seem startled. It would
Speaker 1: act like we were nothing to it. You know, it
Speaker 1: was literally walking right towards us. And then it turned
Speaker 1: off and walked further into the darkness and disappeared. Well,
Speaker 1: this is where he got interesting. Right after seeing that
Speaker 1: deer up ahead on the opposite side of the forest road,
Speaker 1: something catches my attention, and keep in mind is dark.
Speaker 1: We have our headlamps on it, and something reflecting over there.
Speaker 1: I didn't know what it was at first. I'm staring
Speaker 1: at it and keep mine in the forest. Out here
Speaker 1: in the national forest sometimes there's these little med signs
Speaker 1: and random places and basically what they tell you is
Speaker 1: no vehicle to be on this point. Then at first
Speaker 1: that's what I thought I'm seeing, and I said, that's
Speaker 1: an odd place to have one of those. Then I'm
Speaker 1: looking at it the longer I'm staring at it in
Speaker 1: the dark, like it becomes in focus because what happened
Speaker 1: was it blinked, and that's where I realized it was
Speaker 1: a set of eyes. And my buddy Tracy that was
Speaker 1: right behind me, Tracy, what the heck is that? And
Speaker 1: my first initial thought was, is that a mountain line?
Speaker 1: Because yes, there is minds over here, although the authorities
Speaker 1: deny it over here in this part of the country.
Speaker 1: But that's no story. But but that was my first
Speaker 1: initial fit. I was like, is that a mountain line?
Speaker 1: Because they were kind of those looking eyes and it
Speaker 1: was low to the ground. But while we're both staring
Speaker 1: at it, it like disappears, like it turns off and
Speaker 1: zips off real, real fast. So Tracy he gets he
Speaker 1: gets ahold of the rest of the group of the
Speaker 1: guys come up here. We got some eye shine up here,
Speaker 1: and so we all get up into that very same
Speaker 1: spot where we saw that set of eye shine, and
Speaker 1: you know, we're looking down into the woods. I keep
Speaker 1: in mind, we're up higher. We didn't know. I didn't
Speaker 1: realize at the time, but it did slope down a
Speaker 1: little bit, you know, and then it leveled back out.
Speaker 1: But we're looking in the woods there, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden we see that same set of eye shine again,
Speaker 1: and it's probably between thirty thirty and forty feet maybe,
Speaker 1: but we're noticing is like yellowish looking eye shine. But
Speaker 1: here's the interesting thing. It was swinging side to side,
Speaker 1: and we didn't know what we were looking at because
Speaker 1: we didn't see no body, we didn't see no shape.
Speaker 1: We're just seeing eye shines and it's like swaying side
Speaker 1: to side pretty swiftly. And so we're watching this and
Speaker 1: you know, whatever it was wasn't really that tall, but
Speaker 1: you could tell. We estimated it had been no tall
Speaker 1: than four feet tall. And again, I personally that particular
Speaker 1: moment had no clue what we were looking at. Well,
Speaker 1: a minute or two later, four or five feet to
Speaker 1: the right of that one, another set of eye shine
Speaker 1: appears a little bit taller, probably about two feet taller
Speaker 1: than that four foot one, same colored eye shine. And
Speaker 1: keep in mind, we're not seeing no shakes, nothing yet
Speaker 1: large yellowish looking eyes. And I guess because our headlands
Speaker 1: were bright, it would blink its eyes on occasions. So
Speaker 1: we're looking at two different subjects. We got a small
Speaker 1: one that's still steadily sell away inside to side. Now
Speaker 1: we got a six foot one that's you knows, staring
Speaker 1: at us, occasionally blinking its eyes, and you know, I'm like,
Speaker 1: what in the world, But we look at what are these?
Speaker 1: You know, I'm very familiar with this area. This is like,
Speaker 1: this is my playground, this is my exploring area. You know,
Speaker 1: in my research area. I've seen almost every bit of
Speaker 1: wildlight that exists in there. And it's just not ringing balance.
Speaker 1: And this is very odd. I wasn't even thinking about Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: Bigfoot wasn't even on my mind. And then after a
Speaker 1: moment observing these, the two of them, I start panning
Speaker 1: around and looking and over behind the thick brush there
Speaker 1: was another set of eye shine that I picked up
Speaker 1: a notice. I pointed it out to everyone, and I
Speaker 1: think the only one that paid attention to it was Tracy.
Speaker 1: He was still beside me. Well, this set of eye shine,
Speaker 1: it looked like it was on the ground, and it
Speaker 1: started to raise up like it was like as if
Speaker 1: it was pouched down or letting something. And it started
Speaker 1: getting taller and taller and taller, and it's coming on
Speaker 1: top of the bushes and to stop at another two
Speaker 1: feet over top of the six foot one. So now
Speaker 1: this is really getting interesting because we got three subjects
Speaker 1: free of the same color. Eye shine very large. This
Speaker 1: one here of the eyes looked a little wired, and
Speaker 1: I said, what in the world is this. It wasn't
Speaker 1: until my buddy Tracy said, guys, I think we've got
Speaker 1: squadches now. When he said that, I'm thinking, okay, I
Speaker 1: want to believe that, but I need to see something
Speaker 1: that's gonna you know, that could confirm that. I can't
Speaker 1: jump on board yet. Although all this is mysterious and
Speaker 1: very interesting, it's very fascinating that tall one made a maneuver.
Speaker 1: It turned to its left and took a step or
Speaker 1: two and looked back. When it did that, leave the
Speaker 1: light caught at the right angle. Because when it did that,
Speaker 1: there was no denying what I saw. On next, you
Speaker 1: can clearly see the shape of some wide, broad shoulders
Speaker 1: and a big round head that was on top. And
Speaker 1: when I saw that, I was like, these are not
Speaker 1: no bears, And yeah, we got big bears out here,
Speaker 1: but these bears don't have shoulders, you know, So here
Speaker 1: I am I'm convinced that, Okay, these are large humanoid
Speaker 1: looking figures here that have yeah, humans that white shoulders,
Speaker 1: you know, Well, we got shoulders, but these were wide,
Speaker 1: very wide and broad, and then the head on top
Speaker 1: we didn't see, but you know, to be honest with we,
Speaker 1: we didn't see no physical features. I would have loved
Speaker 1: to see that. I would have loved to see some details,
Speaker 1: but after seeing that shape, I was convinced that, like, okay,
Speaker 1: I think we really do got squatches here. So after
Speaker 1: this observe observation, they all seen, all three of them
Speaker 1: seem to like turn off and go disappear further into
Speaker 1: the darkness. And then after that we finally turned off
Speaker 1: and started walking back. And as we were walking, uh oh,
Speaker 1: the lady's name just Kimmy. It was Kimmy, and she
Speaker 1: was she was the only one that expressed any nervousness.
Speaker 1: And she was like, oh my god, God. She's like,
Speaker 1: they're they're they're paralleling us, they're following us, and we
Speaker 1: heard some lin snap and whatnot, you know, beside us.
Speaker 1: I said, no, they're just going away. There's trying to
Speaker 1: get away from us, and they're going above their business,
Speaker 1: you know. But yeah, she's the only one that ever
Speaker 1: expressed any nervous I never felt any fear, and I
Speaker 1: think I think the region behind it was because there
Speaker 1: was five others with me. If I was by myself,
Speaker 1: I think I probably would have felt completely different about
Speaker 1: the whole thing. But that was very interesting. Now, I
Speaker 1: don't know how much time we got. I mean, I
Speaker 1: could share a little bit more with something that happened
Speaker 1: a year later. I don't look at you have time, Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, awesome. Well, the jump ahead in the year
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. It was during the hunting season, and right
Speaker 1: up around the corner from that very same location where
Speaker 1: we experienced that. Yeah, it was maybe not even a
Speaker 1: quarter mile around the corner, but in the same section
Speaker 1: of woods. There was a camp spot where I had
Speaker 1: my camp set up at and it was probably about
Speaker 1: ten o'clock at night, and I'm sitting there. I have
Speaker 1: my fire going, my vehicle there, my shotgun lean up
Speaker 1: against my vehicle. But I'm sitting there. It's very quiet.
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I wasn't sleepy. I was just very
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was sitting there. I was bored.
Speaker 1: So I was like, you know what, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: get up and walk around. I grabbed my spotlight and
Speaker 1: I walked out to the middle of the forest road.
Speaker 1: Now keep in mind, I do this when I can't
Speaker 1: by myself or when I bring others. I was like,
Speaker 1: come on, guys, let's go walk out into the road,
Speaker 1: you know, and and standing in the darkness, I do
Speaker 1: that for about a minute or so, just to listen
Speaker 1: and look around. And so I did that. When I
Speaker 1: got to the middle of the fourth road. Keep in mind,
Speaker 1: my spotlight was not turned on. It was I don't
Speaker 1: even have it with me to show you, but you
Speaker 1: know it's a handheld one. It has got the trigger
Speaker 1: on it. And well, after I stood there in the
Speaker 1: darkness for a short moment, I started shining in my
Speaker 1: spotlight looking at the tree line across from me. I
Speaker 1: was probably about maybe twenty twenty feet from the tree,
Speaker 1: and I started striding it to my left and right
Speaker 1: inside the tree line. Okay, I kicked up a deer
Speaker 1: and I heard the sound of a deer like jump
Speaker 1: up and run off. I was, oh cool, I spooked
Speaker 1: a deer, you know. So I'm paying my spotlight from
Speaker 1: my left to my right, and basically you could kind
Speaker 1: of picture a clock between when I got around the
Speaker 1: one and hit the two o'clock position. That's when I
Speaker 1: stopped because I thought, because I heard something, and immediately
Speaker 1: what I was hearing was steps. Whatever was outside that
Speaker 1: tree line was very large, very heavy, and without doubt,
Speaker 1: by peeple, every step I heard had a crunch and
Speaker 1: a thump to it. And when I heard this, I
Speaker 1: mean my heart started coming up into my chest. I
Speaker 1: was trying to catch my breath and my heart was
Speaker 1: starting to pound because I heard this very clearly, and
Speaker 1: I knew I was hearing something on two feet that
Speaker 1: was very large and heavy. I didn't see nothing, but
Speaker 1: like I said, it was just inside that tree line,
Speaker 1: and hearing what I was hearing, knowing that it was
Speaker 1: that close, was kind of freaking me out a little bit.
Speaker 1: So I start walking backwards. Yeah, and with the opposite hand,
Speaker 1: I'm reaching my key to my key. He's had a
Speaker 1: hook to my belt loop, and I'm pushing my my
Speaker 1: button to make sure that my vehicle was unlocked, just
Speaker 1: in case, just in case of I had to jump
Speaker 1: inside and take off. But when I got back into
Speaker 1: my camp I threw another long or two in my campfire.
Speaker 1: I sat down and I anstantly relaxed. I mean, whatever,
Speaker 1: that sense of fear just dropped. I got real comfortable
Speaker 1: all of a sudden and I'm sitting there just going
Speaker 1: through my head what I just heard and experienced, whatever
Speaker 1: that was, if it meant any harm, it had every
Speaker 1: opportunity to come out and attack me or you know,
Speaker 1: sacked me like a football player, you know. So, but
Speaker 1: this was going away from me. I had to keep
Speaker 1: that in mind. That's what my thought was. Okay, That's
Speaker 1: part of what calmed me down is realizing it was
Speaker 1: going away from me. The one thing about this situation
Speaker 1: that I compare and look at with twenty fourteen, which
Speaker 1: was a year before there were deer president. At both situations. Now,
Speaker 1: I've always heard a lot of people believe that bigfoot
Speaker 1: hunts deer, you know, stroll. Why not? You know, it's
Speaker 1: a protein, it's meat, you know, it's So that's something
Speaker 1: I constantly questioned myself about those two situations, because dear President,
Speaker 1: prior to the situation, were those bigfoots or assuming well
Speaker 1: assuming that they actually were big foots, you know, and
Speaker 1: were they about to make a hunt? Were they about
Speaker 1: to go after that deal those deer that were president?
Speaker 1: You know. So, yeah, that's something I constantly think about,
Speaker 1: where they you know, should we interrupt something?
Speaker 2: Maybe it's really really funny hearing you say that, Daniel,
Speaker 2: because I was out in the forest probably no shorter
Speaker 2: than two weeks ago, and I found a deer caucus
Speaker 2: right next to this footprint where I got the DNA from.
Speaker 2: And your experience. I've just sat here, yeah, and I've
Speaker 2: just sat here for the last twenty minutes going how
Speaker 2: similar is it to my experience that I've had. I've
Speaker 2: had no eyes shine and no actual movement, but I
Speaker 2: have had deer carcases found, scat found, footprint's been found.
Speaker 2: Now with your relationship between the deer and bigfoot, I
Speaker 2: am on the lines with you there where I think
Speaker 2: they do hunt deer to eat, because it would make sense.
Speaker 1: And it just sparked way that.
Speaker 2: I found that I found many many bones near near
Speaker 2: this footprint, and it just it just striked. But I
Speaker 2: but five started sat for the last twenty minutes absolutely
Speaker 2: in shock.
Speaker 1: Me.
Speaker 2: I really real re enjoyed it and it's amazing. It's
Speaker 2: been wow.
Speaker 1: Okay, I have now have you come across other gear
Speaker 1: carcasses before in the area or just other parts of
Speaker 1: the forest? Maybe no, Okay, huh, that's interesting. Do you
Speaker 1: do you guys have coyotes out there. No, no coyotes. Okay,
Speaker 1: They're all over the United States here in North America.
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's times when we have somebody in the
Speaker 1: evenings or early mornings. Sometimes you'll hear the pack of kyer.
Speaker 1: They're like wolves. They'll sound off together. Sometimes you might
Speaker 1: have one and then the rest of them will sound
Speaker 1: off communicate, you know. But now I was just wondering
Speaker 1: because I have seen we have wolves here too. There
Speaker 1: is wolves here in the United States. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: was interested because it was several years ago, coming up
Speaker 1: the fourth Road headed back to my camp, I've seen
Speaker 1: the deer run across the road and it was like
Speaker 1: running like lightning. And then immediately following it was a
Speaker 1: very large canine. Now it could have been a very
Speaker 1: large coyote, but from what the view of I got
Speaker 1: of it. I later learned that we do have red
Speaker 1: wolves here in Virginia, the state of Virginia, here on
Speaker 1: the east coast, and I got to think, I said,
Speaker 1: maybe that's what that was, you know, because I've seen evidence.
Speaker 1: I've seen pictures of people east of me, you know,
Speaker 1: with holding up but dead wolf because they was getting
Speaker 1: into its livestock and you know, the homeowner how to
Speaker 1: kill it, you know, you know, to protect livestock. But so, yeah,
Speaker 1: we do have wolves here, which I always keep in mind,
Speaker 1: you know. Uh, in some cases I do find large
Speaker 1: canine tracks out in the woods.
Speaker 2: We have no no predators here at all.
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, that's interesting. Well that's awesome though, because you know,
Speaker 1: and then yeah, yeah, if you could definitely rule out
Speaker 1: you know, various species, that kind of gets you wondering, Okay,
Speaker 1: well what here is killing this? You know? So you've
Speaker 1: got primate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's we are meant to have this big
Speaker 2: black cat, which is also credited as well. So I'm like,
Speaker 2: do we have of this black cat that's killing it?
Speaker 2: The only only logical explanation that it died of old
Speaker 2: age and and then badgers and that fox foxes then
Speaker 2: took some of the skin. But when we first found it,
Speaker 2: the skin, uh and the sorry, the hair was spread
Speaker 2: it out everywhere.
Speaker 1: So that's song.
Speaker 2: I know that the hair was there, there was no
Speaker 2: skin though.
Speaker 1: Okay, now we're all the bones together? Were they were
Speaker 1: the bones still attached together? No? Okay, Usually that's the
Speaker 1: case because when he dies, whatever killed it, yeah, whatever
Speaker 1: killed it. Sometimes there's other remains. You might have small
Speaker 1: critters that will like possums, raccoons, small things, they'll take
Speaker 1: and eat the bones and they'll spread you know, something
Speaker 1: that they'll spread them out. But you know that's interesting though.
Speaker 2: M it's a really really weird things that we found.
Speaker 2: And what I'll do and I think you're literally, I
Speaker 2: think you're literally about to say this was I will
Speaker 2: send you over all the photos and all the stuff
Speaker 2: that we found because I think you'll be in absolute shock.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I would definitely love to check out. I
Speaker 1: was willing to send them to me. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's from where I'm sat right now. The forest is
Speaker 2: ten minutes away from my house.
Speaker 1: Oh that's nice. That's awesome. Yeah, you gotta love that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, So.
Speaker 1: I'm no, go on, Oh no, I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 2: So my last two, my last two things for you, Daniel. Now,
Speaker 2: I would love to do another interview with you, because
Speaker 2: I've got two pages full of questions and I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna have time. So my last two questions for you
Speaker 2: is what advice would you give someone who might have
Speaker 2: a big foot encounter?
Speaker 1: Well, sometimes some Well, first of all, there's some people
Speaker 1: then a lot of well, I should say a lot
Speaker 1: of people. It shocks a lot of people. Sometimes I
Speaker 1: put them selves in disbelief. But then again, you know
Speaker 1: what you saw and a majority of people that have
Speaker 1: experiences and I've learned this over the years. A lot
Speaker 1: of people have seen things and experience things and it
Speaker 1: could be traumatizing to them. And but yet they're they
Speaker 1: have fear of sharing the information they're there. They have
Speaker 1: fear of telling somebody because sadly, there's so much ridicule
Speaker 1: and mockery from other people, especially if they're non believers
Speaker 1: or skeptics. People don't want to share things because they
Speaker 1: don't want to get made in front of They got
Speaker 1: reputations to you know, to obtain and maintain, and if
Speaker 1: you know, the best thing to do is is to
Speaker 1: talk about it. But you know, get comfortable with people. Uh, well,
Speaker 1: let the people get comfortable with you. Uh. And by
Speaker 1: doing so, like I've done, don't be afraid to do
Speaker 1: what you're doing. Now You're you're putting yourself out there,
Speaker 1: which it's a big step, you know, especially at a
Speaker 1: young age. You're doing a good thing. And a lot
Speaker 1: of us believe that the youth need to step up
Speaker 1: in and start looking into this more you know and
Speaker 1: I and the more you put the word about out
Speaker 1: their year.
Speaker 2: And I will say that that is one of my jobs.
Speaker 2: I've started a Bigfoot convention here in the UK, a
Speaker 2: yearly big Now. I had probably about forty different people
Speaker 2: turn up to my last one. We had guest speakers,
Speaker 2: and we had all sorts, and we had children that
Speaker 2: were there from ten minutes before the event started until
Speaker 2: it ended. That's four hours to listen to Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: That is my end goal to get all the people
Speaker 2: in the UK to know about bigfoot, because when you
Speaker 2: bring the word up bigfoot here in the UK, you'll
Speaker 2: get laughed at. You will get laughed at right, and
Speaker 2: they'll go, what stupid thing to do? Now, there's only
Speaker 2: a small amount of people here in the UK that
Speaker 2: will believe in Bigfoot. Now when when I go, these
Speaker 2: creatures are real, These creatures are out there in some
Speaker 2: shape or form. And that's why I've started my team.
Speaker 2: I've started another beer Bigfoot team and we're all coming
Speaker 2: together to kind of really push bigfoot here in the
Speaker 2: UK and not and not only here, to try and
Speaker 2: push it everywhere, to get that word out there that
Speaker 2: that these creatures are here, and how the more people
Speaker 2: we get involved, the more chance we have of proving
Speaker 2: that something's real.
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely. One thing you could do too, is totally
Speaker 1: up to you. One thing I do. I have cards
Speaker 1: made up, you know, like I don't if you can
Speaker 1: see that, but that's you know, my business card has
Speaker 1: got got my picture up there. It's got basic information
Speaker 1: about who has got me, my group that I organize,
Speaker 1: and then you could put whatever contact. If you don't
Speaker 1: want your phone number up there, you can put your
Speaker 1: email up there if you have email. I got. I
Speaker 1: got my event website because I host an annual event
Speaker 1: myself every year, so I do. I actually I just
Speaker 1: started a second event which is coming up a month
Speaker 1: before my other events. So so yeah, I'm very busy myself.
Speaker 1: I'm either out in the field, researching, working, or doing
Speaker 1: an event somewhere. I speak at a lot of events too,
Speaker 1: so so yeah, that's something you could. You can have
Speaker 1: some of these up online and print them out and
Speaker 1: you know, you can share them, put them out in
Speaker 1: different public places if you're you know, if places allow that.
Speaker 1: But I put I put these up everywhere, and it's
Speaker 1: actually it's actually worked out great because there's some people
Speaker 1: that will learn about you. You know, in time, they'll
Speaker 1: feel comfortable to say, Daniel, I've seen something I want
Speaker 1: to tell you about it. You know, they'll get comfortable
Speaker 1: enough to start sharing things with you. And and the
Speaker 1: more you start doing that, like with your events, you'll
Speaker 1: have people. Your event will be a safe place for
Speaker 1: people because they're gonna want to come check it out
Speaker 1: and they're gonna like, Okay, I could tell these people
Speaker 1: about what I saw or you know, or what I experienced.
Speaker 1: So and we have a lot of that because I
Speaker 1: mean my events, we had vendors and sell stuff. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I have my guest speakers too, and again people want
Speaker 1: to ask questions to the speakers or a lot of people.
Speaker 1: They a lot of people that come out to my events,
Speaker 1: so they know who I am, so they hunt me
Speaker 1: down and want to talk to me. And I know
Speaker 1: they like doing that, so I go hide somewhere. I'm busy,
Speaker 1: but no, I don't mind. I love talking to people.
Speaker 1: But sometimes some people take up too much of your
Speaker 1: time when you try to you've got other things going on.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, so yeah, but you'll learn, You'll you'll
Speaker 3: see that you'll get people wanting to talk to you
Speaker 3: and share stories with you yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that is that is probably my main goal
Speaker 2: is to kind of get a comfortable community that will
Speaker 2: come and share with me myself, my my team, and
Speaker 2: to kind of share and go, look, I've seen this,
Speaker 2: can can can you guys help me? That is what
Speaker 2: I want my goal to kind of be. So yeah, yea.
Speaker 2: So my last question for you is what is the
Speaker 2: most interesting thing You've learned about big Foot over the
Speaker 2: years of your researching?
Speaker 1: The most interesting thing I've learned about Bigfoot? Well, besides
Speaker 1: bigfoot being a very mysterious subject. Ah, well, oh man,
Speaker 1: there's so many different directions I can go there, but
Speaker 1: to keep it simple, I don't know. I guess it dry.
Speaker 1: It brings a lot of people together. It definitely, it
Speaker 1: brings a lot of people together. You'll you'll learn that
Speaker 1: it will bring skeptics, enthusiasts, and believers and non believers together.
Speaker 1: The non believers are curing us to come together to
Speaker 1: hear about it. But you'll learn that it's it's it's
Speaker 1: a uh, it's a fun subject. The more you get
Speaker 1: into it, you know, like I tell everybody, you gotta
Speaker 1: have fun with it. But yeah, I mean, for now,
Speaker 1: I think that's all I can really say about that.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, right now, it's a fun subject. It's it's
Speaker 1: been educational because it puts me in other directions, you know,
Speaker 1: the research, and it's opened up a new world to me.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure you probably it's probably doing the same
Speaker 1: thing with you right now, and then other opportunities and
Speaker 1: other doors will open to you and other revelations will
Speaker 1: come about, like hey, wait a minute, you know I'm
Speaker 1: gonna start researching and reading about this. So yeah, it's
Speaker 1: put me in in different positions of research and read
Speaker 1: and learn about other things that I can relate and
Speaker 1: and put together with my research.
Speaker 4: So you know, I've had the opportunity to be featured
Speaker 4: in Yeah, I've been featured in a few bigfoot documentaries,
Speaker 4: and they it's been education because by me being in
Speaker 4: these different Bigfoot films, it allows me to share my
Speaker 4: awareness and spread my awareness.
Speaker 1: So so yeah, I mean there's a lot of opportunities
Speaker 1: in this too. But you know, as you being a
Speaker 1: young gentleman, I would tell you, I'd like to tell
Speaker 1: you and others is too. Don't let this be careful
Speaker 1: in the direction it might take you in, because some
Speaker 1: people take this and only use it to make money
Speaker 1: off of Bigfoot's a big money bracket, you know, So
Speaker 1: just be careful with that. Don't let don't let it
Speaker 1: take you in that direction. It's okay to make money
Speaker 1: off of it, but just don't let it let that
Speaker 1: control you, you know. But yeah, yeah, that's that's one
Speaker 1: thing I would tell people too, So.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so done. It's been lovely, lovely chatting
Speaker 2: with you, and I am i am going to have
Speaker 2: to do another part two with you because I have
Speaker 2: so many questions and I'm not and I've not been
Speaker 2: able to kind of cover them in one hour. But
Speaker 2: thank you so much, Daniel, and thank you so much everyone.
Speaker 2: If if you guys watching have any questions for for Daniel,
Speaker 2: please just comment or you I'm sure he wouldn't mind
Speaker 2: if you messaged him on Facebook. But thank you so
Speaker 2: much guys, and keep searching and stay mythical.