1 00:00:04,839 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: What's going on. Thank you so much for listening to 2 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:09,599 this podcast. It is heard live every day from noon 3 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,439 to three on WBT Radio in Charlotte. And if you 4 00:00:12,519 --> 00:00:16,679 want exclusive content like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, 5 00:00:16,719 --> 00:00:19,199 my daily show prep with all the links, become a patron, 6 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,600 go to dpeakclendarshow dot com. Make sure you hit the 7 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,120 subscribe button. Get every episode for free right to your 8 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,640 smartphone or tablet, And again, thank you so much for 9 00:00:27,719 --> 00:00:32,920 your support. Last hour went over the House and Senate 10 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,719 budget proposals. I didn't go really in depth on all 11 00:00:36,759 --> 00:00:39,560 the line. I mean, it's a thirty two billion dollar budget, right, 12 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:41,719 I didn't go over everything, but gave you the highlights 13 00:00:41,719 --> 00:00:44,039 of it. They're going to go now to Conference committee 14 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,640 and they're gonna have to hammer out their differences between 15 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:52,479 the Senate version, more conservative version, versus the House version, 16 00:00:52,719 --> 00:00:55,200 which has some stuff that Democrats really really like in it. 17 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,079 And Tina wanted to weigh in on this. Hello, Tina, 18 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,439 welcome to the Hi. 19 00:01:01,719 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 2: Hey, I just wanted to clearfy one statement that you 20 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:07,760 made in your when you were talking about the teacher 21 00:01:07,799 --> 00:01:10,000 pay in the budget. Yeah, and I came here exactly 22 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,200 how you said it. But he said something like something 23 00:01:12,239 --> 00:01:16,560 about how the newer teachers get these big raises now 24 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,560 and later on they'll take care of the experienced teachers 25 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,560 or whatever, and it bounces out blah blah blah. 26 00:01:22,599 --> 00:01:25,599 Speaker 1: I didn't say it balances out. I said they They 27 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:32,120 usually approached the teacher pay funding structures as two different chunks, 28 00:01:32,239 --> 00:01:34,760 is what I call them. Right, You've got your increasing 29 00:01:34,799 --> 00:01:38,000 teacher pay and front loading a lot of your like 30 00:01:38,079 --> 00:01:41,000 your steps. So like teachers used to get these step 31 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,640 pay raises at really weird intervals, like it was like 32 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,040 three years and then five years and then six years. 33 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,640 It was really all over the place, right, So they 34 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,359 reformed that a couple of years back and they gave 35 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:56,439 annual one thousand dollars bumps or steps for the first 36 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,640 fifteen years. Right. So they did that chunk with like 37 00:01:59,719 --> 00:02:04,400 that's aimed at new teachers and not rookie teachers, but 38 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:06,760 like the ones that are that are new were right there, 39 00:02:06,799 --> 00:02:10,039 not veteran teachers right so front, and so they focused 40 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,960 on that chunk, and then they were criticized by the 41 00:02:13,039 --> 00:02:15,879 veteran teachers who had been there for longer than fifteen years, saying, 42 00:02:15,879 --> 00:02:20,000 what about us, You're not addressing our our demands, right, 43 00:02:20,039 --> 00:02:23,319 and then exactly, and then the next budget cycle comes 44 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:28,479 around and they start addressing the teacher pay for the 45 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:30,319 veteran teachers, They start doing. 46 00:02:30,439 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 2: That chunk that hasn't been done. Sure it has, No, 47 00:02:35,039 --> 00:02:37,599 it hasn't. Look back at your the last I don't 48 00:02:37,599 --> 00:02:41,240 know three or fod five six years budget, my pay 49 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,000 increase in the last I don't know how long has 50 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,479 been like one percent, one point three percent, and that's 51 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:49,280 I'll not had a big pay dount. 52 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,039 Speaker 1: So it's all going to the new or do you 53 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:53,159 have the board certification? 54 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 3: Yes? 55 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: I do, So you got the board certification bump for that, right, mean, 56 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:01,439 oh the national board certification. 57 00:03:02,039 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 2: No, I don't have that, but I'm working on that 58 00:03:03,719 --> 00:03:04,360 mass and haven't. 59 00:03:04,479 --> 00:03:06,719 Speaker 1: Right, So when you get that, you get the bump, and. 60 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 2: That's that's a completely different thing. 61 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: No, it's not because if you so, if you're guaranteed 62 00:03:11,039 --> 00:03:14,080 the one thousand dollars steps right, and then you're making 63 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:15,919 your way up to the fifty k mar because that's 64 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:20,120 usually when teachers leave, they leave the profession. So that's 65 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,960 why they focused on raising that fifteenth the first fifteen year, yes, 66 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,840 and then there but also the teachers that have been 67 00:03:27,879 --> 00:03:31,080 there for longer than twenty years, twenty five years. Yes, 68 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,719 they are capped right now. They're capped at what fifty 69 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,680 seven eight. I think teacher paid at the new budget 70 00:03:38,719 --> 00:03:41,680 fifty seven eight right now. The average teacher pay though 71 00:03:41,759 --> 00:03:43,520 is fifty eight to ninety two. 72 00:03:45,919 --> 00:03:48,039 Speaker 2: But that's including all those teachers that do have their 73 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:49,240 national wards. I'm just talking about. 74 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: Right, So there is opportunity for you to get more 75 00:03:52,599 --> 00:03:55,199 of there's opportunity for you to get You. 76 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,159 Speaker 2: Only have to be TechEd in like three years to 77 00:03:57,159 --> 00:03:58,080 get that national board. 78 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: I understand you get it, but hang on. But once 79 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:05,759 you get the certification, now you are enjoying that additional 80 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:10,120 revenue for the rest of your career. See, it doesn't 81 00:04:10,159 --> 00:04:12,240 it's not like you you only get it one one time. 82 00:04:12,439 --> 00:04:14,599 You get it every year for it. You get it right, 83 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,360 you also and hang on. And I'm not saying there's 84 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:21,360 no work involved. Nobody's saying there's no work, but that 85 00:04:21,519 --> 00:04:23,839 is an additional benefit. And then you also have the 86 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:28,399 local supplements right right? Right? And how much is the 87 00:04:28,399 --> 00:04:31,319 local supplement for Mecklenburg County. 88 00:04:31,519 --> 00:04:33,399 Speaker 2: I don't work, I don't live in Okay. I don't 89 00:04:33,439 --> 00:04:34,600 work in Mecklburg County, Settle. 90 00:04:34,639 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: Then all right, so your county, what what what would 91 00:04:36,519 --> 00:04:39,000 you what would you peg your your supplement to be. 92 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:41,519 Speaker 2: I think it's twelve percent, so. 93 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:45,959 Speaker 1: Twelve percent additional and that's every year, right, and that's 94 00:04:45,959 --> 00:04:46,720 every year, so. 95 00:04:49,519 --> 00:04:54,079 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, And you're adding on things that yes, anybody 96 00:04:54,079 --> 00:04:57,160 can go and get the National Ward certification. But if 97 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,800 a new teacher gets it and an experience teacher gets it, 98 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,000 they still get that pay things that I'm just talking about, 99 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:03,319 Apples to apples. 100 00:05:03,399 --> 00:05:06,639 Speaker 1: That's what I'm doing. You're ignored. See, hang on, Tina. 101 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:10,920 You keep ignoring the fact that the annual steps, the 102 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,600 thousand dollars you then keep for the rest of your career. 103 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,439 That money doesn't get it doesn't go away for you. 104 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,720 And so after you know, in the first five years, 105 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,279 you get five thousand dollars right for the each of 106 00:05:24,319 --> 00:05:27,040 the first each of the steps, right, one thousand each year. 107 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,240 You then get that five grand plus the thousand the 108 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,399 next and the thousand the next. But you you keep 109 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,040 all of that money and it compounds over the course 110 00:05:35,079 --> 00:05:38,680 of your career. What you want is to raise the 111 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:43,560 teacher tap above the fifty seven thousand, right, you exactly right? 112 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:45,800 You want right, so you want so what's the optimal 113 00:05:45,879 --> 00:05:49,079 what's the optimal salary for a teacher of twenty five years? 114 00:05:49,199 --> 00:05:49,839 What's the number? 115 00:05:51,639 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm trying these two things that. 116 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: I could tell. So what would you what would you 117 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,920 say the optimal teacher pay for a twenty five year 118 00:05:59,199 --> 00:06:02,720 teaching veteran is from the just the state portion, not 119 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,319 the local supplements of twelve percent and all of that 120 00:06:05,639 --> 00:06:08,439 and all of the benefits that you guys receive, you 121 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,120 get very very good benefits for very low cost. The 122 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,800 private sector doesn't get that either. So what is the 123 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,079 what is the optimal number from the state? 124 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 2: I don't really know. 125 00:06:22,079 --> 00:06:23,639 Speaker 1: Okay, well, no, I think that's important. 126 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 2: My only point was that they do not twitch around. 127 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,959 It's not like one budget they take care of the 128 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:31,800 new teachers and one budget they take care of the 129 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:32,279 older ones. 130 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: Switch. 131 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 2: It sounded like. 132 00:06:33,319 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: You were they did this, But they did do that. 133 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,279 They did do that that, They did that, do that. 134 00:06:38,319 --> 00:06:41,160 They've been in the Republicans at Tina. The Republicans have 135 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,839 been in power since twenty eleven. And the very first thing, 136 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:45,000 what's that? 137 00:06:45,079 --> 00:06:45,439 Speaker 4: Go ahead? 138 00:06:45,519 --> 00:06:48,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't care if the Republicans are Democrats. I'm 139 00:06:48,759 --> 00:06:50,439 just saying, you go back to look at the paid scale. 140 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,480 The raises have all been given for years years. 141 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,399 Speaker 3: How many years after election? How many years in front 142 00:06:57,439 --> 00:07:00,560 of me? I'm not home, okay, but how many years 143 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,560 did they only? So you're you're arguing they only gave 144 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,279 raises to the starting teachers, and I disagree, and I 145 00:07:07,319 --> 00:07:14,000 know that and the reason. So it's not only one 146 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:18,160 percent teachers in the on the higher end of the scale, 147 00:07:18,439 --> 00:07:22,759 they have gotten larger pay raises over the last thirteen years. 148 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,839 They have gotten larger than one percent pay raises. I 149 00:07:25,879 --> 00:07:28,519 know this because I've been I've been covering it for 150 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,839 thirteen years, and before that, I was a reporter covering 151 00:07:30,839 --> 00:07:33,360 it at the local right. So right, So, but you're 152 00:07:33,399 --> 00:07:35,720 telling me that what I witnessed I did not witness 153 00:07:35,759 --> 00:07:39,319 because I remember the teachers marching on Raleigh with the 154 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,160 Moral Monday movements and such, and they and they were 155 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:47,759 overhauling the entire step system, right, and they were criticized. 156 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:49,879 Speaker 2: When they got raises for everyone. 157 00:07:50,199 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: Oh, so the veterans did get taken care of, but. 158 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:55,399 Speaker 2: Not just the veterans. The way that you made it 159 00:07:55,439 --> 00:07:55,879 sad the. 160 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: Veterans got taken care of and then and then they 161 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:02,040 were criticized, Tina. I'm talking about the politics of it. 162 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:06,079 They get criticized for not addressing the veterans when they 163 00:08:06,079 --> 00:08:09,120 do the newer employees, and just like you're saying, when 164 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,240 they do the newer employees, the veterans complain. You're proving 165 00:08:12,279 --> 00:08:14,800 my point is that you're not getting taken care of 166 00:08:15,199 --> 00:08:16,319 like those other ones got. 167 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 2: Take the near ones anything they want to, But it 168 00:08:18,199 --> 00:08:21,040 is not fair to not increase pay. Do not give 169 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,759 raises to experience teachers and they don't. 170 00:08:23,519 --> 00:08:24,199 Speaker 5: But not do you do? 171 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,959 Speaker 1: But why so your assumption is that the teachers at 172 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,480 what twenty five years or twenty two years, that they 173 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:31,680 automatically deserve it? 174 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:34,799 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, do you think that so new teachers 175 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:35,799 automatically deserve it? 176 00:08:36,519 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: The whole argument from the people hang on, Tina, I'm 177 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,399 an answer. The whole argument from people that were demanding 178 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:45,000 increased teacher pay wasn't about whether they deserved it or not. 179 00:08:45,279 --> 00:08:48,159 The whole argument was simply that we need to raise 180 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,240 pay to attract more teachers. That was the only that 181 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,480 was the argument. We have to pay them more. We're 182 00:08:53,519 --> 00:08:55,399 below the national average. We have to pay them more. 183 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:59,120 Nobody wants to teach, and so now we're at what 184 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,519 fifty The average teacher pay is almost sixty thousand dollars 185 00:09:02,519 --> 00:09:06,279 in North Carolina. That's the average. So okay, well, what's 186 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,919 the Well I asked you for your optimal number and 187 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,679 you didn't have the optimal You don't have an optimal number, 188 00:09:12,799 --> 00:09:15,399 which I think no, I think that's important to note, 189 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,320 but also it ignores the local supplements that are included 190 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:22,399 as well, the benefit package that's included as well, Summer's Off. 191 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,840 That's a pretty good benefit as well. So like there's 192 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,240 so I'm kind of just curious as to like what 193 00:09:29,399 --> 00:09:33,159 exactly is the best package that we need to be 194 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,559 paying teachers. 195 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,519 Speaker 6: I'm not complaining about any of the pay, only the 196 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,200 fact that you I just don't feel like it's fair, 197 00:09:42,159 --> 00:09:43,039 and not even that. 198 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 1: Not fair or would what would make it fair? 199 00:09:45,639 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 6: Whenever you say that veteran teachers are taking care of 200 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:53,720 some other tops, they don't do that. It's not focused 201 00:09:53,759 --> 00:09:53,879 on this. 202 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,519 Speaker 1: What would be What do you want them to do 203 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:58,600 for you? What do you want them to pay you. 204 00:10:00,159 --> 00:10:03,159 Speaker 6: That it would be more fair if they gave everybody, 205 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:07,840 regardless a five percent raise or two percent raise or 206 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,080 three percent raise. It's not fair for some place to 207 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,720 get twenty percent raise and others to get one or 208 00:10:12,759 --> 00:10:13,320 two percent. 209 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:15,879 Speaker 1: Right, But if people if you're in the if you're 210 00:10:15,879 --> 00:10:19,399 in the field for twenty five years, they know that 211 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:20,519 you like the job. 212 00:10:21,519 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 6: Right, And that's exactly then that I agree on. That's 213 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,720 why they do that. Yeah, they're trying to track new 214 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,440 teachers because new teachers are not going to stay. But 215 00:10:29,519 --> 00:10:31,960 no matter how much money they give those new teachers, 216 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:33,200 they're not going to stay. 217 00:10:33,399 --> 00:10:36,279 Speaker 1: Well, not necessarily. How how how many years of service 218 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:37,759 do you need before you can retire? 219 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:39,759 Speaker 6: Well? 220 00:10:40,799 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah know how many is it? How many? How 221 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:44,639 many is it? Tina? 222 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 6: Well, if it depends like you even get some retirement 223 00:10:48,279 --> 00:10:50,799 after five years vested, need to get more, ten more, 224 00:10:50,879 --> 00:10:52,159 fifteen more, you know what I mean? 225 00:10:52,279 --> 00:10:56,159 Speaker 1: Yes, so twenty years. So after twenty years you can retire. Right, 226 00:10:57,039 --> 00:10:58,759 you get your twenty minutes and then you get your 227 00:10:58,799 --> 00:11:01,360 benefits and you retire and then you can have a 228 00:11:01,399 --> 00:11:03,840 whole second career. You know who doesn't get to do that, 229 00:11:05,159 --> 00:11:09,000 Like virtually everybody else that's outside of government employment, there 230 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,399 are a lot of benefits, right, there are and so 231 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,039 and so that's also what you're looking yeah, yea yeah, 232 00:11:14,039 --> 00:11:15,679 and that's also what you're looking at. So if you 233 00:11:15,759 --> 00:11:18,840 make the system where now you know it's very difficult 234 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,600 to fire teachers, right, You've got that component as well, 235 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,799 it's very difficult to fire them. So if you now 236 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:28,360 just want to keep giving annual bumps five percent every 237 00:11:28,399 --> 00:11:31,519 single year, so you have you have teachers that have 238 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,720 stuck around, can't get fired, may not be very good 239 00:11:34,799 --> 00:11:38,200 because lord knows, we can't. We can't compensate based on 240 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:42,679 merit or performance for some reason. So, like I've said 241 00:11:42,759 --> 00:11:46,279 for years, I want to pay the best teachers six figures. 242 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:48,960 I'm okay with that, but I refuse to pay the 243 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,759 worst ones the same amount of money. And until people 244 00:11:51,759 --> 00:11:55,759 can come up with a system that can measure teacher performance, 245 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,120 then this is what. This is the system we have, 246 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,120 and everybody's getting pad the same. And I'm not I'm 247 00:12:02,159 --> 00:12:05,080 not going to support just constantly jacking up the taxpayers 248 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:07,799 for five percent pay raises every single year just because 249 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:11,039 somebody couldn't manage to get fired from a government job. 250 00:12:11,159 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 6: You know, I agree with all the things that you're 251 00:12:15,759 --> 00:12:19,279 saying except for the fact that you're sounding like all teachers, 252 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,320 you have an attitude that all teachers are bad, and. 253 00:12:21,279 --> 00:12:23,519 Speaker 1: That I don't What did I just say, Tina, Come 254 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:25,639 on now, hang on, Tina, what did I just say? 255 00:12:25,759 --> 00:12:27,679 What did I just say? I said, I want to 256 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:29,679 pay the best teachers six figures. 257 00:12:29,919 --> 00:12:32,919 Speaker 6: I call it pointless, so I'll just hang up. 258 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 2: Okay, it was completely. 259 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:39,279 Speaker 6: Pointless, and I still disagree with your statement before, only 260 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:40,960 that I don't. I felt like you were leaving this 261 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:45,440 publess to think that, oh this bigger is Normally every 262 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,159 time they say on an average seven and a half 263 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:51,440 percent raise, the public doesn't realize that that average is 264 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,159 saying that the some are getting a whole big percentage 265 00:12:54,159 --> 00:12:56,440 and other ones are getting one percent they're not, and 266 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:00,519 the sum results. When you work in a regular corporate 267 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,679 America job, you get just as many weeks. Most of 268 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:05,919 the time. You just can take them whenever you want them. 269 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,919 Speaker 1: You don't wait, wait, I'm sorry, what did you just say? 270 00:13:09,399 --> 00:13:13,120 We get as many weeks. 271 00:13:11,799 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 6: Just about and when I worked I worked at another company, 272 00:13:14,519 --> 00:13:16,720 so I'm an older teacher. But when I worked at 273 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,879 another company, I got six weeks of vacation which now 274 00:13:19,919 --> 00:13:20,399 I get eight. 275 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: That's six vacation. 276 00:13:22,519 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 6: I could take them in the sum I could take 277 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,320 it in the summer. I could take a winter vacation 278 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,559 and my family could go to the mountains. 279 00:13:28,639 --> 00:13:30,159 Speaker 1: What was this line of work you were in that 280 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,240 gave you six weeks of paid vacation. 281 00:13:33,879 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 6: I worked for energy. 282 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: Oh well, that's a very nice gig. You know who 283 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,480 you know who doesn't get that? Virtually everybody else nobody 284 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,519 gets No, nobody gets six weeks of vacation, let alone 285 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:49,799 eight weeks of vacation. Thank you, No, they don't, Tina, Tina, 286 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:51,240 do you know what? You know what? We start with? 287 00:13:52,159 --> 00:13:55,399 Every job I've Tina, every job I've ever had, and 288 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,559 I'm fifty one, Every job I've ever had gave me 289 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:05,200 two weeks of aka two weeks. After five years, I 290 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:08,639 would get a third week, really, and then after ten 291 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:13,360 years I'd get a fourth. And that's capped really really, 292 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:14,519 every single job. 293 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 6: Okay, that's interesting. 294 00:14:17,039 --> 00:14:21,919 Speaker 1: So yeah, No, I appreciate the call, Tina. Book. I 295 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,200 think I'll just leave it here. Tina, I'm way late 296 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,039 for my traffic update, and I got to let you go. 297 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,080 I appreciate the call. I appreciate your work that you do. 298 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:33,320 I just think you're overlooking the cumulative impact of the 299 00:14:33,759 --> 00:14:37,159 steps that take you up very quickly. You actually earn 300 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,639 more money over the course of your career because they 301 00:14:40,679 --> 00:14:45,559 front load the pay. I think that you're just overlooking that, 302 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,039 because that that is real. You get way more money, 303 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:53,519 way quicker, for a longer period of time. I'm a 304 00:14:53,639 --> 00:14:57,120 twelve k in my first job. Here's a great idea. 305 00:14:57,279 --> 00:15:00,080 How about making an escape to a really special and 306 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,240 secluded getaway in western North Carolina. 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What's up? 330 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 7: I just want to end up make an inquiry to 331 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,559 let you know that I do taxes, and I've been 332 00:16:21,559 --> 00:16:24,360 doing them for over fifteen years, and I see the 333 00:16:24,399 --> 00:16:27,600 pay raises come in every year, and I see the 334 00:16:27,759 --> 00:16:31,399 great bathits they have when they retire, and that's not 335 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,879 unusual now this time and age with social security as well. 336 00:16:34,919 --> 00:16:38,320 When they do retire, they're in the anywhere between eighty 337 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,159 five to one hundred and ten thousand dollars a year 338 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:48,399 of income after they retire, after they retire, yeah, including 339 00:16:48,399 --> 00:16:49,600 the Social Security though too. 340 00:16:49,639 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. 341 00:16:52,039 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 7: Average retirement checks around sixty thousand for the ones I see, 342 00:16:57,159 --> 00:16:58,720 So you know, they're not hurting too bad. 343 00:17:00,159 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: And this is I was told this a long time ago. 344 00:17:04,559 --> 00:17:07,839 A lot of teachers don't want regular jobs like everyone else. 345 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,799 They want better jobs than everyone else. And you know, 346 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:13,440 I'm sure that's the case for some and not the 347 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:17,279 case for all, obviously, But I sometimes do wonder if 348 00:17:17,559 --> 00:17:22,519 there is a if there's a lack of knowledge about 349 00:17:22,519 --> 00:17:26,160 the way most people go about their lives and make 350 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,319 money and the benefits that they get. I think there's 351 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:33,200 an insulation, you know, to a lot of those pressures. 352 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,519 Speaker 7: And everybody is guilty of looking at where they don't 353 00:17:36,559 --> 00:17:39,119 look at the group insurance was paid on their behalf 354 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:43,160 right vision, and all the other you know, fringe benefits. 355 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,960 They're good of being employeed by somebody. You go and 356 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,119 do that on your own. It's a small business, and 357 00:17:49,559 --> 00:17:53,640 you wonder how you even make hands meet sometimes. Yeah, right, 358 00:17:53,799 --> 00:17:56,839 they're paying all the taxes at that point, right, not 359 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:57,640 just one half. 360 00:17:58,039 --> 00:18:01,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, all of the mandatory contributions. Yeah, all the contributions 361 00:18:01,799 --> 00:18:05,000 that employers make on the employee's behalf. It's the number 362 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,640 I remember is somewhere like thirty percent, like a third 363 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:11,759 of the cost of the employer. Their employee doesn't ever take, 364 00:18:12,039 --> 00:18:14,559 they never see it that in their check. But it's 365 00:18:14,599 --> 00:18:18,799 all going to taxes, social Security benefits, four one K, 366 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:24,079 all of that stuff as well. Yes, yeah, so you know, yeah, John, 367 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,359 I appreciate. I appreciate the call man I got around 368 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,079 two news. Thank you, sir. It's very insightful. Yeah, all right. 369 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:30,960 If you're listening to this show, you know I try 370 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:32,720 to keep up with all sorts of current events, and 371 00:18:32,799 --> 00:18:34,839 I know you do too, And you've probably heard me 372 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:39,079 say get your news from multiple sources. Why Well, because 373 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,799 it's how you detect media bias, which is why I've 374 00:18:41,839 --> 00:18:45,160 been so impressed with ground News. It's an app and 375 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,279 it's a website, and it combines news from around the 376 00:18:48,279 --> 00:18:51,000 world in one place so you can compare coverage and 377 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,920 verify information. You can check it out at check dot ground, 378 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,279 dot news slash pete. 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Your subscription then not 388 00:19:27,519 --> 00:19:30,480 only helps my podcast, but it also supports Ground News 389 00:19:30,519 --> 00:19:34,720 as they make the media landscape more transparent. Always have 390 00:19:34,799 --> 00:19:40,519 this disclaimer. Simply discussing teacher compensation does not mean that 391 00:19:40,599 --> 00:19:46,000 I hate teachers. It doesn't. I have teachers in my family. 392 00:19:46,079 --> 00:19:52,359 In fact, I have one two three four one two 393 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:56,319 three four four teachers in my family. I do not 394 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,480 hate and I love my family, So okay, I make 395 00:19:58,519 --> 00:20:00,799 sure I say that too. I guess I do not 396 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:07,000 hate teachers. But when you work for the tax payer, 397 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,960 I as a tax payer and not a tax consumer. 398 00:20:11,599 --> 00:20:14,519 I am a tax payer. I generate the revenue that 399 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,920 the system uses to pay you. I then get to 400 00:20:19,039 --> 00:20:23,160 weigh in on what the appropriate levels of funding are 401 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:29,440 for that service. And if you work in a private school, 402 00:20:30,279 --> 00:20:35,720 I have no connection to a private school, so that 403 00:20:35,759 --> 00:20:38,079 private school is free to pay you whatever they want to. 404 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:43,960 I have no opinion about it whatsoever. Right now, I 405 00:20:44,079 --> 00:20:47,279 understand what Tina, the teacher who had called in there, 406 00:20:47,519 --> 00:20:49,160 and maybe I should have spoke to her friend who 407 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:53,720 was talking to her on the side there, trying to 408 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:57,880 give her some help along the call there. But and 409 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,480 I have no ill will towards Tina. I just I 410 00:21:00,519 --> 00:21:03,319 think there's a bit of a blind spot, and we 411 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,160 all have them. And I fully acknowledge that because of 412 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,079 the career that I chose, and I chose this career, 413 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,559 and I have pursued the career through ups and downs, right, 414 00:21:13,279 --> 00:21:19,559 low pay, no pay, terrible hours, working every holiday, working 415 00:21:19,599 --> 00:21:23,079 triple split shifts. Right, these were all my choices to make. 416 00:21:23,799 --> 00:21:29,359 And so when I compare the compensation package, knowing what 417 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:33,119 I also know about teachers because I have them in 418 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,880 my family, I talk with them about, you know, their days. 419 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,720 It's a tough job. Absolutely, A lot of jobs are 420 00:21:38,799 --> 00:21:42,400 very difficult, and for lower pay than teachers, and lower 421 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:46,400 pay than radio people. Absolutely, and I fully acknowledge that 422 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,799 because of my career choices, I may not have the 423 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:55,720 softest shoulder to cry upon. I do recognize that, And 424 00:21:55,920 --> 00:22:00,000 I also recognize that virtually nobody believes they are paid 425 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:00,880 what they are worth. 426 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 4: Right. 427 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: Nobody goes to the boss and says, you know what, 428 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,160 I don't feel like I should be getting paid this 429 00:22:08,279 --> 00:22:13,920 amount of money. You should pay me less. Nobody does that, right, No, no, no, 430 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,039 take that extra week of vacation. The company needs it 431 00:22:17,039 --> 00:22:18,680 more than I do. You know that sort of thing 432 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:27,559 her beef or complaint or criticism, whatever was that she 433 00:22:27,759 --> 00:22:31,799 thought that I said, or it sounded like I tried 434 00:22:31,839 --> 00:22:34,440 to say, or something like I'm reminded of Vince Cochley's 435 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,240 famous line, you know, do not hear what I'm not 436 00:22:36,279 --> 00:22:41,119 saying that the veteran teachers, anybody who's been there longer 437 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,400 than you know, fifteen years, that they get taken care 438 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,039 of in alternating years. And I didn't say that. I 439 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,799 said the legislature approached it with we're going to reform 440 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,799 the compensation model, and then they got sued, by the 441 00:22:54,799 --> 00:22:57,599 way by teachers. They got sued over it because they 442 00:22:57,599 --> 00:23:04,960 tried to introduce merit based pay, and so their initial reforms, 443 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,559 we're targeting the new teachers because the starting pay was 444 00:23:08,599 --> 00:23:12,519 so low, and then they go in and they do 445 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,119 teacher pay raises across the board. And by the way, 446 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,279 when you are there longer and you make more money, 447 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,920 a two percent pay raise for you is larger than 448 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:22,839 a two percent pay raise for somebody who makes half 449 00:23:22,839 --> 00:23:27,279 of what you make. That's math, right. If I'm making 450 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,480 thirty K and I get a you know what, one 451 00:23:31,519 --> 00:23:37,920 percent bonus or a pay raise one percent, that's going 452 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:42,440 to be less by the dollar amount than you who 453 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,480 make sixty k and get one percent, you get more money, right, 454 00:23:46,519 --> 00:23:50,559 So there's that too. So just a percentage increase across 455 00:23:50,599 --> 00:23:57,799 the board for everybody actually privileges the higher paid employee. Okay, 456 00:23:58,759 --> 00:24:04,319 and Tina did acknowledge she got paid annual increases they 457 00:24:04,319 --> 00:24:07,720 have then, I'm not aware of a budget since the 458 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,759 Republicans took over that teachers didn't get a one percent, 459 00:24:11,799 --> 00:24:15,759 two percent, whatever, three percent. They have been getting pay 460 00:24:15,839 --> 00:24:20,000 raises and they get the local supplements. Right now, the 461 00:24:20,039 --> 00:24:23,880 most experienced teachers currently earned fifty five thousand, nine to 462 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:32,000 fifty in base pay. That's just the base and then 463 00:24:32,039 --> 00:24:34,799 you add in you get paid for extra curricular activities. 464 00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:36,880 If you do those things right, there are ways you 465 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:41,400 can earn that extra money, and so from fifty five 466 00:24:41,559 --> 00:24:44,359 nine to fifty is what they make. So fifty six k, 467 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,400 that's what the cap is. That that would go to 468 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,920 almost fifty eight k. So they're giving you a two 469 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:56,960 thousand dollars a year pay increase. So that's what I mean, 470 00:24:57,039 --> 00:24:59,720 like people look at and that's what I was talking about. 471 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,599 The chunks of teachers, the new versus the veterans, right, 472 00:25:04,319 --> 00:25:08,799 And whenever the legislature does something for one group, the 473 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:15,480 other group complains, and they try to create a system 474 00:25:15,519 --> 00:25:18,079 to attract new teachers to keep them in the profession. 475 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,880 Fifteen years automatic steps, one thousand dollars guaranteed one thousand 476 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,680 dollars pay raise every year. That does not include any 477 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,079 of the cost of living increases. So it's a pretty 478 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,119 good gig, it is. It's a pretty good gig if 479 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,759 you like the work, that's the thing. If you like 480 00:25:34,799 --> 00:25:37,519 the work, you enjoy the work, it's a pretty good gig. 481 00:25:40,519 --> 00:25:42,799 Some messages, Jeff says, I'm married to a teacher of 482 00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:45,400 twenty plus years with the National Board certification, and I'll 483 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,799 tell you what would be the best fair package. Crack 484 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,640 down on and get rid of the liberal teachers and management. 485 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:57,400 So that good teachers don't absolutely hate their jobs. Gary says, 486 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,480 I would say Tina has had a very fortunate career. 487 00:26:00,759 --> 00:26:03,880 She has worked for two monopolies. My wife is a teacher. 488 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,319 She is currently working summer school. She started during Democrats 489 00:26:07,599 --> 00:26:11,519 hiring freezes and pay freezes. I have worked several careers 490 00:26:11,519 --> 00:26:13,720 and now work for myself, and I have never had 491 00:26:13,759 --> 00:26:16,799 more than two weeks vacation. I don't take off more 492 00:26:16,839 --> 00:26:19,640 than two weeks now as a business owner. Well, I 493 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,119 didn't even get into the whole. Yeah, you're a business 494 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:27,200 owning yourself. I was told when I started the podcast, 495 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,240 and I was in business for myself. There's only paid 496 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,720 time and unpaid time. That's it. Steve says, I worked 497 00:26:34,759 --> 00:26:37,319 in the finance industry for over thirty years, and the 498 00:26:37,319 --> 00:26:40,599 most vacation time I ever got was three weeks. It 499 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,599 was a successful career, but we did not get seven 500 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,039 to eight weeks per year vacation. Yeah, that's the first 501 00:26:47,039 --> 00:26:50,000 time I had ever heard anybody argue, oh, everybody gets 502 00:26:50,039 --> 00:26:54,680 six weeks. I'm not aware of anybody actually getting that amount. 503 00:26:54,839 --> 00:26:57,759 But again, I work in a peculiar industry, so it 504 00:26:57,759 --> 00:27:00,559 could just be me. All right, So spring here a 505 00:27:00,599 --> 00:27:05,480 time of renewal and celebrations. You got graduations, weddings, anniversaries 506 00:27:05,599 --> 00:27:08,319 and especial days for mom and dad. Your family's making 507 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,359 memories that are going to last a lifetime. But let 508 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,400 me ask you, are all of those treasured moments from 509 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,640 days gone by? Are they hidden away on old VCR tapes, 510 00:27:16,839 --> 00:27:21,880 eight millimeter films, photos slides? Are they preserved? 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If 530 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,279 she had five weeks of vacation, she had to have 531 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:28,359 worked there at least twenty years, which is pretty good. 532 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:32,319 Twenty year career with Duke, twenty year career with with 533 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:37,640 the schools. Let me go over here and get trent On. 534 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,319 Speaker 5: Hello, Trent, Yeah, how you doing? 535 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:41,359 Speaker 1: Hey, I'm good, what's up? 536 00:28:42,279 --> 00:28:45,599 Speaker 5: I'm kind of I'm a teacher. I've taught just makes 537 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,599 my forty second year teaching and number one. So we 538 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,519 are ten months employees. So it's more than six weeks vacation. 539 00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:54,880 It's about eight weeks of vacation that you're basically going 540 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,839 to get during the summertime, so you're a ten month employee, 541 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:03,720 not a twelve month employee. Next, during that time, people 542 00:29:03,759 --> 00:29:06,279 don't get into teaching because all of a sudden you're 543 00:29:06,319 --> 00:29:07,799 in it for the money you get. You get into 544 00:29:07,799 --> 00:29:10,480 teaching because you love the kids, love what you do. 545 00:29:10,599 --> 00:29:14,640 You love the you know you have passion. Look, I 546 00:29:14,759 --> 00:29:19,799 retired twelve years ago. And here's the other thing. That 547 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,079 state check that I get for teaching, for teaching those 548 00:29:23,079 --> 00:29:26,759 thirty years comes in the twenty fifth every month. And 549 00:29:26,839 --> 00:29:31,720 I don't complain about it. It's just it's just kind 550 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,799 of a buffer. It's a benefit that you get with 551 00:29:35,039 --> 00:29:36,759 just working with the state. I mean, if you're gonna 552 00:29:36,759 --> 00:29:39,680 work government money, if you're gonna work for a government, 553 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,119 you're not gonna be You're not gonna get rich off 554 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:43,640 of it, right, you know, you got to go into 555 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,960 the privatized field if that's what you want to do. 556 00:29:46,759 --> 00:29:49,640 But I started out in nineteen eighty four. It's sixteen 557 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,240 thousand dollars a year, and I am now working for 558 00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:59,400 a charter school. Yeah, that's what you call double dippy. 559 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,319 So really, you want to actually go out what you 560 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,480 think you deserve, pay, get your retirement, retire, go work 561 00:30:05,519 --> 00:30:07,519 for a charter school, go work for a private school, 562 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,839 and then you can actually go out there and you 563 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,119 can make some money on this thing. 564 00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:13,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, trying to appreciate the call, sir, Thank you, that's 565 00:30:13,839 --> 00:30:16,319 good info. What do you say sixteen k in nineteen 566 00:30:16,319 --> 00:30:22,200 eighty four. I made twelve thousand in nineteen ninety eight. Mark, 567 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:23,160 Welcome to the program. 568 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 7: Hello Mark, Hey Bete. 569 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,839 Speaker 4: I love your show. And the thing I want to 570 00:30:28,839 --> 00:30:30,799 talk about I'm glad you made that point to the 571 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,519 teacher that you talked to about twenty minutes ago, is 572 00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:37,200 you know, with the six weeks and everything. But the 573 00:30:37,279 --> 00:30:41,200 thing is that gets me is there's not a moment 574 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:46,559 in time and every year between all the legislation and 575 00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:51,799 politics that school raises for teachers are always a topic. 576 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,200 And it seems like no matter where you are, they're 577 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,240 always talking about raises for teachers or teachers pay and 578 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,880 stuff like this. Who fights for us in the private set? Nobody. 579 00:31:01,039 --> 00:31:03,839 You don't hear any discussions about that. And and the 580 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,440 other thing is like the caller that you just had, 581 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,319 that he retired and now he's double dipping. That's the 582 00:31:09,319 --> 00:31:11,920 other thing. In the private sector, they have done away 583 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,799 with pensions and benefits. 584 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, there is no Yeah, there's no way to 585 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,200 do a similar pack. 586 00:31:18,759 --> 00:31:22,279 Speaker 4: Yeah, the total conversation package if they want to make 587 00:31:22,319 --> 00:31:25,240 the money. And the other thing that they don't discuss 588 00:31:26,119 --> 00:31:30,839 is their teaching. What what are they what's the value 589 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,200 of their their teaching, because when you work in the 590 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,680 private sector, if you don't do a good job, you're gone. 591 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's always that was Yeah, Mark, that's a 592 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,079 great point. I appreciate the call. Mark. That's always been 593 00:31:41,119 --> 00:31:43,759 the trade off, right, is that if you work in 594 00:31:43,799 --> 00:31:48,039 the public sector, generally speaking, you get paid lower pay, 595 00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:51,359 but you have more security, you have job security, and 596 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:56,079 you have a benefits package that will last post employment. Right, 597 00:31:56,839 --> 00:32:00,319 the private sector you trade basically two of those three 598 00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:05,759 away for theoretically higher pay. You get paid more money, 599 00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:08,440 but your benefits are not as good. I mean, I 600 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,000 remember having a discussion pretty recently, like within the last 601 00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:15,039 six months with somebody who was complaining about the cost 602 00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:18,039 of their health insurance premiums going up. And it's like, 603 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,240 I think it was going up to if I remember correctly, 604 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,599 twenty bucks a month or a pay period, and it's like, 605 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,119 I pay hundreds hundreds of dollars just for myself, right, 606 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,759 So that's what I mean. There's a disconnect that I 607 00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:36,039 think a lot of people, because they may not have 608 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,720 experience in the private sector, they don't realize what the 609 00:32:39,759 --> 00:32:44,319 private sector provides and what it doesn't. All Right, that'll 610 00:32:44,319 --> 00:32:47,000 do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. 611 00:32:47,079 --> 00:32:49,240 I could not do the show without your support and 612 00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:52,000 the support of the businesses that advertise on the podcast, 613 00:32:52,359 --> 00:32:54,440 so if you'd like, please support them too and tell 614 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,200 them you heard it here. You can also become a 615 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,119 patron at my Patreon page or go to the Pete 616 00:32:59,119 --> 00:33:02,240 Calender show dot com. Again, thank you so much for listening, 617 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:08,279 and don't break anything while I'm gone.