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going to continue continental philosophy. So are you doing, Thomas?

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How was Thanksgiving?

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Speaker 2: It was fine? See I'm observing the Day of the Bird.

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Oh it was nice, man. I like Thanksgiving and I

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and that was great.

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Speaker 3: One of the.

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Speaker 2: One of my comrades hereies he's a Muhite Thaie fighter,

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like he lived in Thailand and stuff.

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Speaker 3: I mean he's white, but.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a serious competitor and boxing and muay thaih

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you know, so we I mean, I'm old now, but

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you know, I was always a huge fan of the

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fight game. And he tends bar at a at a

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place for our Northern division. So like his speaking of family,

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he's like his family came out and his wife, who's

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is a real peach, and yeah, we we hung out

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and got to rip it up a bit.

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Speaker 3: It was nice.

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Speaker 2: And then yesterday I chilled with my dad and I

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kind of made the rounds and spread a holiday cheer

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with my magic because that's what I do on holidays.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: That's that's awesome, man, that's awesome. Glad it was Glad

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it worked out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was all right. But I think an unsung

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cultural theorist and philosophy of science figure who was a

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real giant was Wolfgang Smith. Interestingly, a lot of younger

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He was in his nineties. But he's one of these

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guys like Kissinger was, who had all his marbles into

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advanced age, and he was still writing when he was

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ninety two or something. But he he was a huge

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critic of the scientific perspective. What he postuated dovetailed a

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lot with a lot of figures in that traditionalist school,

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but he was not of that. He was very distinct

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from that you have thought he was.

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the days of McDonald Douglas in general dynamics and all

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these kind of giants of the Cold War and high

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tech weapons platforms, Bell Aircraft was king. They developed the

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first super hypersonic multi row aircraft prototype and Wolfgang Smith

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he taught it Purdue, he taught advanced physics and he

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program and how to you know, devise an engineer re

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entry vehicles that and kill the occupants. But you know,

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intercontinental platforms that obviously trail on a ballistic trajectory, but

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science better than virtually anybody he was criticizing, okay, and

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as long as I like renade. You know, you know,

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Orthodox Catholics were foreign people like myself, pious Moslems. We

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need to look upon our differences and resist the tyranny

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of Zionism as well as the scourge of secularism, which

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is an assault on the assault on the human being

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under offices of a you know, a humanist concern. But

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but he wrote critical treatments of the science. What do

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value distinction. You know, facts and the interpretation of facts

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are not synonymous, and subjectively facts are always associated with

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human culture. I mean, there's a case that he made

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those things. That's not what Smith was talking about, you know.

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about two disparate factors. We're talking about with positive findings,

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which are articulable facts that can be falsified and are

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neutral in their interpretation as presented, but we're also talking

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about underlying philosophy and the way in which these discoveries

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and their implications are framed and discussed. You know, so

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when we're talking about science as affiliated with some sort

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of political regime of any kind, it's never some sort

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of purely empirical enterprise as it claims that it is.

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that always that always underlie it. You know, I want

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one one good example, and I look like the Human

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Genome Project. Okay, you get these goofs in the academ

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they'll go out of their way to talk about population

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genetics and you know, human biodiversity and how this has

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all these incredible implications for medical research, which it does.

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But now we'll turn around and insist, but this means,

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this doesn't mean there are racial differences, like you can't.

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That's our really and literally like holding like two totally

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contradictory posita whits in your mind and refusing to acknowledge

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that one repudiates the other. You know, these aren't serious people.

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A lot of things that they repose are quite literally insane. Yeah,

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yet this has become sort of the religion of officialdom.

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You know, most recently there's a display with the COVID nonsense.

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You know, people in authority demanding, under pain of any

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number of punitive sanctions that you do insane things that

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even a child that recognize are insane, yet insisting that

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it's because of science. You you simply must abide this.

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You know, that this is reflective thoughtlessness to it that

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these people that have the goal that turn around and

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say characterizes religion in their mind.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: But and the problem with this is too, is that

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people are inundated from a young age with these foundational

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postulates that again are concept that are that are conceptually

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prejudiced towards a discrete ideological coding. But instead of biosmosis,

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they internalize that, you know, this this is just part

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and parcel of a scientific education, you know, and they

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almost subconsciously internalize the lie that this can't possibly be

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partisan or driven by politically motivated concerns.

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Speaker 3: You know. And really, from the Enlightenment onward.

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Speaker 2: The scientists themselves, they they they've refused to even acknowledged

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that this exists. You know, Einstein and Heisenberg were both

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they both stand out because they did acknowledge that Einstein

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really kind of sold out everything. Einstein was morally a

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good man, But that's a different thing. But he wasn't

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a fraud in the way that a lot of these

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scientists are. And obviously Heisenberg was a great man in

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all kinds of ways. But you know, Heisenberg openly acknowledged

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as scientism, and it's an ideology, you know. But you know,

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draws upon an exceptionally utile methodology that does produce results,

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but then it bastardizes those results and suggests that there's

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some total theory of human existence, you know. So it's

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it's it's a lot easier to abust something that's abjectly

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that has actual merit, you know. But again, the problem

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scientism perspective that that are truly fallacious but they superficially

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people you know again who've been availed to this sort

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of subliminal conditioning through the entirety of their education.

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that have been proven and claim that if you don't

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absolute terms. You know, it's a very it's a very

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false dichotomy, and it's very dishonest, you know. And the

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sign of a community like take you know, a guy

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you know, a liar, and you know they'll associate him

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overcome cancer, or some or some surgeon who's world renowned

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Speaker 1: It reminds me back in the nineties when David Letterman

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consider a lot of these punctuated crises of modernity of

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a psychological and social and spiritual nature. If you'll allow

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that the scriptor the people look for a new priestly cast,

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you know, that's that they do. Okay, even otherwise sensible people.

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the COVID thing like some cheap polemicist, but that's the

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this kind of mass hysteria.

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when it's nothing of the sort. You know, it's it's

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a it's an ideological and philosophical imperative being presented as

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essential elements of this perspective. Well, one of these fundamental

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aspects is what he called universal mechanism, or what can

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state of the matter that constitutes it, the scientist and

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this mechanism can be determined in principle, the future revolution

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and development of the entire universe, not the most discreete

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in a new detail, can be predicted or calculated. All

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uncertainty can be eradicated by deciphering the physical properties of

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the universal mechanism. Okay, so in this way, the Enlightenment perspective,

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the movement of the whole. And this really this idea

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tremendous wittany of accomplishment, like, don't get me wrong. And

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objects is to be at rest, Like like, how can

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motion without being acted upon? That doesn't make any sense.

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leading science and I'm not getting wrong is reaccomplished, but

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he openly stated that the final goal quote, the final

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goal of the natural science is to reduce itself to mechanics.

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astronomy and stuff, but I, you know, I I don't

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know about physics and things.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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related to astronomy, but I don't, you know, know any

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more than anybody else does, to be clear, But what

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is dope, he gets into this a lot. The ad

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but a quantum theory really dramatically change things, and it

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it completely screwed up this kind of traditional Newtonian perspective

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because the new physics, as it was called, it's not

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compatible with this mechanistic premise, you know, because it's totally indeterminate.

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this kind of community of the you know, the scientific

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community continue to insist on what amounts it like the

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Newtonian mechanistic tenet.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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people have like let nothing ever change, you know, And

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we'll return to this because it becomes important in terms

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of what Einstein's significance was, as you know, something of

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an outlier as regards you know, people being willing to

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abide the the ideology of scientism because, like I said,

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like qualifiably at praise Einstein, but he you know, he

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very much was was heterodox in his thinking, and he

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his peers were, as successors are. The second basic tenet

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of the perspective of scientism is described wolf Nang Smith

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as physical reductionism. What he means by that is the

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fact that this perspective it hinges upon an epistemic prior,

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which ironically is really an ideal as postulate. This perspective

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claims that all sensory perception terminates not in an external

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object as it actually is and as we experience it,

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but as some sort of subjective representation of some kind

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that's necessarily that's intrinsically corrupted by the inadequacy of human

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senses to perceive reality. So to overly simplify it for

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the way in which I perceive it, or any man

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or woman perceives it is, you know, somehow tragically and

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incorrigibly limited. You know, we need a scientist to to

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to explain to us, like what the constituent elements are

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of this apple, you know, and what it actually is,

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because otherwise we're just mired in ignorance, you know, and

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without uh with with without without literally the enlightening perspective

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of these people who you know, constute the scientific priesthood

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and possessed the tools and intellect to you know, wield

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this methodology. You know, we we can't possibly determine the

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actual essence and nature of things.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: And that's that's really the enduring legacy of Cartisanism. Des

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of which I have no understanding at all. But what

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I just described, that's the Cartesian element that constitutes a

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core philosophical foundation of modern scientism, not science scientism.

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Speaker 3: They're going to be clear.

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leat I who hate science. I'm not talking about that,

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and neither is neither was Smith. He's dead now, you know.

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major critic of what was then the scientific perspective. You know,

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in his lifetime he referred to this as the Cartesan bifurcation,

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you know, which he said was deleterious to a reason,

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practical reason, and this morality and those all the kind

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of things that hold you know, the intellectual side of

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human culture together, because what it essentially is is this

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considered attack on the common intuition of man. And it's

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equally to odds with you know, what is it kind

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of the Western canon of philosophical tradition. It's not just Tomism,

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but you know, the Aristotelian perspective and you know, the

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priest going back to the pre Socratics even you know,

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the Cartesan bifurcation, Whatlfgang Smith considered to be a fundamental

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plank of physics, you know, or.

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Speaker 3: A fundamental.

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Speaker 2: Core aspect of the scientistic worldview in terms of how

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common people are expected to interpret physics. You know, it's

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something that's just totally beyond them and can only be

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interpreted by you know, uh, the scientific priesthood and what

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Whitehead was talking about, and uh what Gang Smith came

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back to white and again and again. He was a

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guy he really respected. But why this is so destructive

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is because it represents, it represented and represents a relinquishing

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of dominion over the physical world by religious authorities, but

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also by anybody, but you know, the self anointed scientific community.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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relinquishes what it justly. It's it's its rights that it

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has over the natural domain. And you know the attendant

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morality and philosophical orientation that encompasses that that now has

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been occupied by by science. You know, the contemporary crisis

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of faith in his estimation, and uh, the ongoing assault

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and Christianity in Western society. He believed this was only possible.

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openly ceded to the scientists. You know, And uh, that's

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really that that's really almost unfathomable when you think about it.

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philosophy and you know, who is scientifically literate declaring that,

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well he's not. He's not going to weigh in on,

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you know, questions relating to the the cosmos, because that

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that's for the scientists to decide that that's preposterous, you know, well,

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by a guy and by a guy named.

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Speaker 3: Theodore roschik.

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Speaker 2: Raschek said science is the religion of you know, the

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postmodern West, because most people, in his words, with any

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living can't with any convictions, see around it, you know,

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every everything in your environment, every sort of intellectual endeavor

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relating to antological or epistemological things. People people only capable

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of thinking of these things and the terms established by

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scientific authorities. And that is true. The only way people

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can understand the natural world in any other way is

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if they have some sort of religious education, you know,

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and going to some megachurch now and again, or going

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to some you know, non denominational milk toast church, or

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some guy like Joel Ostein basically talks about self help,

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you know, but and occasionally mentions Jesus Christ. It's not adequate.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: People aren't equipped with the intellectual tools to contemplate competing

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perspectives or even conceptualize them. And I believe, and I'm

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obviously I can't prove this, but people need to have

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that exposure and conditioning at a young age. You can't

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one day at forty five wake up and say, you know,

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I'm gonna I'm gonna start reading Calvin's Institute. So I'm

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gonna start reading you know, the Summa theologic that I'm

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like going to mass or you know, or going to

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you know, a serious reformed church and and just somehow

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like empty out my mind and heart of these sort

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of conceptual biases. I mean, yeah, intellectually, people understand that,

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you know, okay, there's problems with this dominant perspective, but

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they're not really gonna develop an instinct for it, I

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don't think. But again that's that's probably pretty subjective. But

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I do believe that to be true, you know, the

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h and also to the you know people, even people

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who come to reject this kind of the scientism of

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the regime, and but they don't have any proper spiritual education.

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They're just gonna become nihilistic because they're just gonna say that, well,

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you know, what I'm being told doesn't accord with physical reality.

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You know, it certainly doesn't accord with spiritual reality. That

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means everybody's lying to me. And you know, the system

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I live under is is based upon you know, false postulates.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: But if there's nothing to fill that void, you know,

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you people basically come to just wallow in despair or

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they become totally fixated on hedonic distractions. And I mean,

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so that's the other side of it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's not just a question of disabusing people

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of this miseducation. It's the fact that it's uh, you know,

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destructive of the human spirit and the cultural learning that

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can mitigate that deterioration of the basic.

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Speaker 3: Dignity of the human being. You know.

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I didn't I'd never heard of him wh I started

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reading Smith, which probably exposed at some of the gaps

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in my philosophical education. But he said, quote, the truth

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is that the Catholic Church has been confronted by the

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most formidable problem of religion can encounter, the scientistic disappearance

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of the universe of symbolic forms which enable it to

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express and manifest itself, that is to say, which permitted

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to exist. The destruction has been affected by Galileean physics,

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not as one generally claims, because it's the private man

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of his central position, which for Saint Thomas Aquinas is

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cosmologically the least noble in the lowest, but because it

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reduces bodies material substance to the purely geometric, thus making

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it at one stroke, scientifically impossible or devoid a meaning

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that the world can serve as a medium for the

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manifestation of God. What Brella called the theophanic capacity is

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thus denied in absolute terms. Now fundamental that Wolfgang Smith's

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paradigm is what he called the three presiding paradigms of

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scientism that encompass and frame all conceptual modalities within the

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postmodern West, reigning as a you know, the science the

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scientific perspective does. The first of these is the Newtonian,

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which again defines the world and the cosmos is this

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clockwork universe. What exists is bear matter, you know, the

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parts of which are only animate going to forces of

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a trade action or repulsion, and that the movement of

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the whole, of the entirety of the cosmos is determined

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by the disposition of these discrete parts. Unlike the other

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two presiding paradigms that we're gonna get into. That woofing

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some of identifies the success as it were, or the

474
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enduring persuasive power of the Newtonian perspective that actually makes

475
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sense in a way that the others dumb because.

476
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Speaker 3: Dubious.

477
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Speaker 2: As core aspects of the Newtonian philosophy, and it is

478
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a philosophy, are that Newtonian theories have had spectacular successes

479
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:55,480
that are unprecedented, in my opinion, relative to any other uh,

480
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you know, individuated.

481
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Speaker 3: School of physical science.

482
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Speaker 2: What really put Newton on the map was the publication

483
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of what's called colloquially the Principia. The full title translated

484
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is Natural Philosophy and Principles of Mathematics of Philosophia naturalis

485
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Principia matamatica. Really, from the seventeenth century until the early

486
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twentieth century it was regarded not just as a framework

487
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or the paradigm of physics, but it was literally viewed

488
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as like the King James Bible of natural science, almost

489
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like some sort of master code for understanding everything about

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physical matter. You know, from the most prosaic understanding of

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you know, magnetic attraction to the UH movements of astronomical

492
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objects and everything in between, you know, and anything that's

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that dominant in terms of its ability to frame conceptual processes,

494
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it's going to exceed the boundaries of.

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Speaker 3: You know, mere.

496
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Speaker 2: Mechanics or mere physical science. It's going to become, for

497
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lack of a more dignified way to phrase it, a

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theory of everything. And I mean, make a mistake. I

499
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agree with Michael Jones. I believe that was I believe

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that was Newton's intent, you know.

501
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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: What happened, however, was the emergence of quantum physics again.

503
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You know, that did real damage to the Newtonian perspective,

504
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you know, but there was something of a there's something

505
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of a synthesis after Einstein's revolutionary proposals, which did break

506
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fundamentally with Newtonian conceptions, but there was a return. I

507
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don't fully understand all this, and also I'm not gonna

508
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bore people with the ESMs. They do understand there was

509
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something of a return to the fundamentals of Newtonian physics, okay,

510
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even even into the atomic age okay, and to this day.

511
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And this is fancinating to me because I'm I'm kind

512
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of a space fag. Albeit a Lehman. You know, one

513
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of the reasons the web telescope and these deep field

514
00:41:07,679 --> 00:41:12,840
telescopes generally are such a big deal. They're they're cutting

515
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to pieces the entire theory of Big bang cosmology. But

516
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the scientific community just won't accept it, you know, they

517
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they'll they'll resort to these tortured and laughably uh you know,

518
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unprovable claims and tautological postulates to try and shore up

519
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and sustain you know, uh, what amounts to a totally

520
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obsolete and speculative understanding of cosmology. But increasingly that's not possible.

521
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And that's another thing that the Internet is facilitating, is

522
00:41:56,559 --> 00:42:00,960
breaking the bully pulpit of the scientific community. But you know,

523
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I the last kind of gasp of the Newtonian perspective

524
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as this cosmological theory of everything that's gonna be done

525
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by the end of this century, and it's gonna be

526
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because of discoveries yielded look by things like the web telescope.

527
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,159
I stand by that asterition. I know this's probably guys

528
00:42:22,159 --> 00:42:26,719
watching this are gonna like chuckle or get mad and say, well,

529
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you're not a scientist, you don't know shit. Like I

530
00:42:28,559 --> 00:42:34,559
stand by that postulate. You wait and see. Moving on,

531
00:42:37,159 --> 00:42:43,920
the second aspect of the three paradigms is Darwinism. Okay,

532
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Darwinism is the weakest other reign inconceptual, paradigmatic aspects of scientism. Well,

533
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,599
if Smith described Darwinism as some it's kind of the

534
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opposite of the Newtonian perspective, because because Darwinism has been

535
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a failure from the start, it's literally on the level

536
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of Licanoism. It's not science, it's not biology. It's it's

537
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tautological assertions, speculation, conjecture.

538
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Speaker 3: You know.

539
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Speaker 2: It really is kind of the anglophone parallel to Soviet Licanchoism.

540
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Smith contends that not only is Darwinist claims about about

541
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evolution incorrect, but he said it's worthless as a biological paradigm.

542
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,519
This is not a scientific theory. It's literally an ideological

543
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claim masquerading in scientific garb. And interestingly, Carl Popper, who

544
00:43:49,159 --> 00:43:51,800
have got nothing nice to say about he made a

545
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big deal about that, and that guy was an atheist Jew,

546
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So like, what does that tell you? Okay, it remains

547
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:01,719
amazing to me people act like Darwinism is science, and

548
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,719
and who doesn't accept that it's some holy roller who

549
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,920
doesn't believe in dinosaurs. I've got to believe they don't

550
00:44:08,039 --> 00:44:13,480
understand what Darwinism actually is. You know, nobody takes this seriously.

551
00:44:14,599 --> 00:44:17,320
Who isn't a blithering idiot? There isn't you know, gross,

552
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:22,440
the intellectually dishonest, then utilizing this paradigm to prop up

553
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:33,440
a conceptual model that they profit from personally and professionally. Now,

554
00:44:33,599 --> 00:44:38,320
well is Smith's core objection. Well, Darwin claimed that existing

555
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species derived from one of more primitive ancestors through chains

556
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of linear descent over millions of years. Now he never

557
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explained by what means this transformation from primitive to differentiated

558
00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:06,400
comes about, or what that even means, And truly, you know,

559
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explicatory terms. But what is clear to anybody whose right

560
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:21,119
original species is that dar you can see an evolution

561
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as a gradual process involving countless intermediary forms. That's indisputable.

562
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Yet somehow none of these, none of these appear in

563
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the fossil record, apart from a handful of highly dubious specimens,

564
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many of which have been discredited as representative of the

565
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aforementioned phenomenon. These intermediary types that should be legion or

566
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:49,239
nowhere to be found, this is now generally admitted, even

567
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by scientists who believe in some process of evolution.

568
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Speaker 3: Stephen J.

569
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Speaker 2: Gould, You know who is this big progress who is

570
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I think he's still alive. You know, it's this big progressive,

571
00:46:01,079 --> 00:46:05,239
anti racist type, you know, not exactly a guy who

572
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:11,840
puts scientific rigor atop his priorities. He stipulated that or

573
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that Darwinism is basically worthless. You know, I mean, well,

574
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what does that tell you? You got Steven J. Google,

575
00:46:20,199 --> 00:46:24,000
you got Carl Popper, you got people like this saying

576
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I'm not gonna cite Darwin in any direct capacity, because

577
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that would, you know, subject me. At best, it would

578
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,519
subject me to kind of casual ridicule by my peers.

579
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,519
At worst, it would shoot the pieces everything that I'm

580
00:46:40,559 --> 00:46:45,239
gonna claim subsequently. You know, I'm not just resulting the

581
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:49,800
hyperbole when I say, nobody takes this shit seriously, except

582
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,480
maybe I'm like Reddit or something. You know, yet that

583
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:58,880
you're expected to accept this as some absolute tenant of

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a of a you know, of a biology and and existence.

585
00:47:10,119 --> 00:47:17,639
It's quite literally insane. Phillip Johnson, he's kind of forgotten now.

586
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In nineteen ninety one, he wrote a book I think

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it was called It was called Darwin on Trial and Johnson.

588
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He was a law professor. Okay, he was at Berkeley,

589
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and he wasn't some holy roller.

590
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Speaker 3: I think he was.

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Speaker 2: He might have been a soft atheist, but he was

592
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at least an agnostic. He is also the father of

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intelligent design. That's what these frauds and these cretans like

594
00:47:53,159 --> 00:47:57,159
Dawkins branded him as that, which I mean, obviously they

595
00:47:57,159 --> 00:47:58,920
were trying to do so in a punitive way, but

596
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that's not entirely accurate. But he was famous for the

597
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quote he said in this book that he wrote quote,

598
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Darwinism apparently passed the fossil test, but only because he

599
00:48:11,119 --> 00:48:15,840
was not allowed to fail. Now his book Darwin on Trial,

600
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he wrote in response, there was this famous Supreme Court

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case from the eighties eighty seven. I believe if there's

602
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:26,360
some law students watching and I'm wrong on that, feel

603
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free correct me in the comments or whatever. But there's this

604
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case called Everards versus Aglard and uh. I think it

605
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:39,800
was from Louisiana, but it involved one of these challenges

606
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:47,719
that was common in a lot of southern parishes to

607
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the exclusive teaching of of of Darwinists theory, as you know,

608
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the only perspective on human origins, and they wanted to

609
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equal time given to other perspectives, including things related to

610
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intelligent design. Now, what Johnson came across can runs this

611
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amachist Cury brief that was filed by the National Academy

612
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of Sciences, and it basically defined science in such a

613
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way that it was impossible to dispute the claims the

614
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scientific establishment. Like with this NAEs amicus Cury brief proposed

615
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of the Supreme Court, was that, well, what public schools

616
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need to do is they need to adopt their rule

617
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precluding what they called or what their lawyers called quote

618
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:37,320
negative argumentation and the teaching of der Winning evolution in

619
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public schools. So basically, if they wanted it to be

620
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forbidden for anybody to present their reasonable doubts for all

621
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:55,199
practical purposes around Darwin's theory, such that you know, basically

622
00:49:55,719 --> 00:50:00,400
you could only you can only present competing perspectives that

623
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were signed off on by some arbitrary quorum of scientific authorities.

624
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And it was going to be defectively illegal to criticize

625
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Darwinism in a classroom by anything other than an absolute

626
00:50:20,119 --> 00:50:23,920
proving up according to whatever evidential standard of a competing

627
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,880
perspective on its own merits in a way that robuts

628
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a Darwinism by being more persuasive, like simply pointing out

629
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things like the lack of you know, intermediate forms and

630
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the fossil record that would not be allowed, you know,

631
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:42,840
pointing out that Darwinism isn't a true scientific law as

632
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it were, you know, it's basically a postulate, a theoretical

633
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postulate that would not be allowed.

634
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Speaker 3: You know.

635
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Speaker 2: So again this is this is censorship masquerading as well. No,

636
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we need to be scientifically rigorous or people are not

637
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going to get the education they deserve. And like Johnson

638
00:50:59,679 --> 00:51:03,559
found the somewhat shocking, you know. And again there's like

639
00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:08,000
some this there's something like Berkeley Liberal you know, like

640
00:51:08,039 --> 00:51:11,119
all these guys that what Kang Smith has ticked off

641
00:51:14,159 --> 00:51:17,639
and uh his main critique of Darwin, which was an

642
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:21,519
essay later became incorporated into one of his books. These

643
00:51:21,559 --> 00:51:25,920
guys are like Jewish atheists, like Berkeley Liberals, guys like

644
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Carl Popper.

645
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Speaker 3: You know, these are not.

646
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:34,280
Speaker 2: A bunch of Southern Baptists or you know, right wingers

647
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or something.

648
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Speaker 3: You know.

649
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Speaker 2: The the fact is that this this doesn't have legs

650
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to stand on, you know, the UH.

651
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Speaker 3: One of UH. I can't remember who said it.

652
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:57,559
Speaker 2: It might have actually in Popper himself, you know, Darwin's

653
00:51:57,559 --> 00:52:00,079
great idea obviously, other than the fact that needs or

654
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produce as small random mutations which then you know, are

655
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passed on to the genetic line in accordance with survival

656
00:52:10,039 --> 00:52:14,280
of the fittest. Like that phrase itself is a tautology.

657
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,480
It's it's a quota saying the rich have lots of money.

658
00:52:17,679 --> 00:52:19,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's you.

659
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 2: Know, and it's it's a definition of an unfalsifiable claim,

660
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and thus by definition it's unscientific.

661
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Speaker 3: You know. There's there's a really interesting.

662
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Speaker 2: Around the time when I D Intelligence Design challenges UH

663
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to the god of new atheist community, which interestingly, like

664
00:52:49,159 --> 00:52:53,559
nobody it's just considered cringing now, like nobody invokes Dawkins

665
00:52:53,639 --> 00:52:57,920
or or Chrissy Bitchens or any of these fools. But

666
00:52:58,119 --> 00:53:01,960
UH when I was you know, kind of kind of

667
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:06,719
a in pop science journals and stuff and in mass

668
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:11,679
media when that kind of thing was popular. There's a

669
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quorum of UH. I D proponents are also mathematicians, and

670
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they relied on the work and part of this guy

671
00:53:21,159 --> 00:53:26,480
named D. S Ulam. And here's the example. Use the

672
00:53:26,519 --> 00:53:29,480
case of a human eye, you know, and D. Darwin

673
00:53:29,599 --> 00:53:32,519
telling us, I mean, the human eye is unimaginably almost

674
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unfathomably complex. So I mean to accept the except the

675
00:53:37,039 --> 00:53:40,039
Darwinian paradigman, you've got to accept that this was accidentally

676
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formed through a series of minute mutations.

677
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Speaker 3: D Sulam.

678
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Speaker 2: He calculated the number of mutations required to produce a

679
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structure that kind is of such a magnitude that even

680
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even in a timeframe measuring billions upon billions of years,

681
00:53:56,559 --> 00:53:59,880
the likeli order that occurrence is so astronomically small, and

682
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it's laughable, you know. The uh Smith concludes with a

683
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quote from Ernst Mayor, who was known as one of

684
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:22,039
those kind of committed orthodox Darwinists like his this was

685
00:54:22,119 --> 00:54:26,159
this big response to these challenges. Quote somehow or other,

686
00:54:26,199 --> 00:54:28,719
by adjusting these figures, we will come out all right.

687
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We are comforted by the fact that evolution has occurred.

688
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That that that was his big rebuttal, you know, I

689
00:54:36,119 --> 00:54:38,519
mean that, I don't I know guys who spend their

690
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days like gluing their ass to bar schools, who could

691
00:54:42,199 --> 00:54:44,599
come up with something better than that. And this guy,

692
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this guy was a scientific authority.

693
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Speaker 3: You know.

694
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Speaker 2: The final paradigm of this sort of core trifecta is

695
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what Smith called the Copernican paradigm. And uh, it has

696
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,599
really little to do with it with Copernagus himself. But

697
00:55:07,559 --> 00:55:09,480
what it involves, and again a lot of this is

698
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:15,760
like outside of my wheelhouse. But field equation, Einstein's field

699
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:24,880
equations plus astronomical data, it doesn't suffice to determine an

700
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:29,440
account for the total structure of the universe and the

701
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:39,480
indeterminate nature of it. Now, of course, after Einstein, signs

702
00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:45,960
realized that they had to tweak what had been the

703
00:55:46,599 --> 00:55:51,519
consensus relating the spatial uniformity and things and the just

704
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and the distribution of matter. You know, like how how

705
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:59,239
the average density of matter is defined, what we can

706
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:07,880
assume to be throughout space, you know, how matter behaves

707
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:15,360
in a sufficiently large scale, how matter behaves at the

708
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quantum level under observation. I mean, really crazy stuff you

709
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know that shot to pieces this sort of static perspective.

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There's a guy named Hermann Bondi who referred to these

711
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assumptions that you know, scientists who had difficulty Rugon styling

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these theories refused to a band with the new physics.

713
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You're for this, you refer to this as the Copernican principle,

714
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you know, even though Copernicus obvious karn nothing about the

715
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controversies that we're then a foot you know, stuff relating

716
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to you know, stellar matter.

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Speaker 3: Or whatever. But uh, you know it, he Bondi.

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Speaker 2: It seemed it strikes me as something like an inside

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joke among theoretical physicists and astronomers about how the subject

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matter in total, you know, somehow represents the complete repudiation

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of geocenters, and we don't fully understand it. But Bondi

722
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dubbed at the Copernican principles. That's what it became, you know.

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Speaker 3: And it so this idea.

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Speaker 2: Went from space and the cosmos being this sort of

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clockwork mechanism, you know, to space being defined as a

726
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void of structure and design but subject to localized fluctuations

727
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from some sort of average density of astronomical objects, not

728
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on light, because I understand it, or as I gleaned

729
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:23,880
from Smith, molecular fluctuations within a gas which, although it

730
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might remain imperceptible without the aid of high tech instruments,

731
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some of which you haven't even been devised yet. Do

732
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you just need to accept this because this is really

733
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the only way that you know, these sort of grand

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theories of cosmology makes sense. I mean that's literally what

735
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it is. That this isn't based on positive findings or

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proven facts. It's a set of assumptions that basically these

737
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leading lights in theoretical physics and astronomy claim, well, this

738
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is just we have what we have to account for,

739
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you know, for the theory to make sense. So it's

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it's an acceptable supposition like oh, very dark matter. You know,

741
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it's like over the equation doesn't make sense. There's you know,

742
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there's not there's not adequate matter calculable, you know, for

743
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:19,239
this to make sense. Well, there's this thing called dark

744
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matter which isn't detectable, but you just got to believe

745
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that it exists, you know it there's something really amateur,

746
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amateur is about it, you know, the uh and I

747
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mean it's it's there's even a observable observational facts that

748
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are being rejected, you know, and especially I mean it's

749
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on display in the case of the web telescope and uh,

750
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other things. I guess a big controversy of the last

751
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thirty forty years. There's galaxies that have been identified supposedly

752
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like close to a billion light years. But given what

753
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was supposedly the low relative velocities between galaxies, it would

754
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take uh some inconceivably long time for uh, the configuration

755
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at these distances and these galaxies to exist. Based upon

756
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current like raining cosmological theory, it would take it would

757
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take something like ten times longer than the estimated age

758
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of the entire universe, you know, and uh, there seems

759
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to be not nearly enough matter to account for the

760
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gravitational forces that would facilitate this. So again the alibi

761
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as well as dark matter. You know, the matter it

762
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is there, you just can't see it because otherwise my

763
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theory doesn't makes sense. And we can't have my theory

764
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not make sense. Like it sounds like I'm I'm being

765
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Petu lantern being funny. That's literally like what these fucking

766
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people say.

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Speaker 3: Thomas Kuhn.

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Speaker 2: Pointed out that, uh, he said, the primary concern is

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science as it exists, and you know, modern America is

770
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to preserve the paradigm, to protect science against hostile danta,

771
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you know, And that's uh, That's a point that uh

772
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Peter Duesberg used to make a lot, as as did

773
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uh geez, what's his name, the the PC artist guy

774
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Nobel Prize winner. He clied with Dusburg on inventing the

775
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AIDS virus. I mean a senior moment. But that's that's

776
01:01:58,519 --> 01:02:02,400
that's indisputable, going to cross the board. But I'd say

777
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it's most on display in the field of cosmology. And

778
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one of the reasons that's possible is because again they

779
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presume an ignorance of weight people. And addately, I don't

780
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understand theoretical physics or astronomy beyond the most like rudimentary level,

781
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but I do know what the scientific method is, and

782
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I do know what it is for a claim to

783
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be falsifiable or not. And it should be obvious to

784
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any reasonably intelligent adult that these postulists don't stand up

785
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:37,960
to scientific rigor. Carrying Molis That's what I was thinking about,

786
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:41,199
carrying Molis. He makes the point a lot about where

787
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he made the point he's dead and now, unfortunately about

788
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the scientific community being this sort of cloistered priesthood, the

789
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primary interest to which is preventing the emergence of hostile

790
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data as a tendency to rebut what they claim are

791
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absolute truths. Yeah, that's that's all I got for today. Again,

792
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:09,440
forgive me if this isn't really my wheelhouse. I mean,

793
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:14,679
I cottinental and analytic philosophy or both things understand quite well.

794
01:03:14,719 --> 01:03:16,639
Speaker 3: But I'm not a science guy.

795
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Speaker 2: I know Bill Nye or that or that black guy

796
01:03:20,679 --> 01:03:23,119
who pretends to know about science and space but he

797
01:03:23,199 --> 01:03:26,960
really kneeled neel the grass, Tyson or whatever.

798
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Speaker 1: Yeah, steal the bikes. I said, just a couple of things. Actually,

799
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Stephen J. Gould died in twenty in two thousand and two.

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Speaker 3: Yeah he's been Yeah, that's right, that's right.

801
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he was only sixty years old.

802
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Speaker 3: Yeah I didn't Yeah, that's right.

803
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Speaker 1: And Edwards versus Aguillard was argued in eighty six and

804
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decided in eighty seven.

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, yeah, thanks, yeah.

806
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Speaker 1: Because Quist was Rankquist was chief at the time.

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Speaker 3: So right, cool, yeah, thank you, Widdy, Yeah, man.

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Speaker 1: No problem. All right, everybody go to Thomas's substack that

809
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is real Thomas seven seven seven dot substack dot com,

810
01:04:13,039 --> 01:04:16,440
and you can connect to him wherever he is all

811
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the other places from there. So go ahead and do that.

812
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And yeah we will.

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Speaker 3: Uh, I know.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the next thing we're gonna do is watch a movie. Yeah,

815
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i'd be great, but we'll be back soon with Thomas.

816
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:35,280
I will invite you back on soon and we'll see

817
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what comes next.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that's great. Thank you everybody, all right, thanks