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to the Truth to Cold podcast. Man, how are you?
I'm doing good? Having a video with a video issue here.
Why can't hear you, Jeff, you're pretty low. Jeff, Jeff,
you're there, man, hear me now, No, it still sounds
like you're far away. What to say here? We just
had a computer. Let's see. I don't see your video
or hear you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hang on where.
Speaker 3: All right? Okay, I hear you.
Speaker 1: Okay, now you can hear me.
Speaker 3: Good.
Speaker 1: Let's see if we can get the video back here. Now,
the video is not coming in. What happened is the
computer went down. I don't know why. So let's see
if we can't get that to work, well, we may
have to do it just with audio. Okay, am I
coming to clear on the audio? Yeah, you sound good
on the audio, just no video. Maybe try turning the
video off and back on. See if it picks me back. Yeah,
I have been. I've actually been. There. We go. We
got it, fantastic.
Speaker 3: All right, technically the difficulties of doing a live stream
way it is. It's real life. Yeah, what's going on? Brother?
How are you today?
Speaker 1: I'm doing very good, very good. Thanks thanks for having
me on.
Speaker 3: Do you work in radio?
Speaker 1: Do I work in radio? I do a lot of radio.
I used to do a lot of radio commercials. I
had a recording studio for years, and we did a
lot of commercials, but I never did a lot of narration.
Everybody says I should do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got the perfect voice. I know. I was
on your website and seeing some of the different media
appearances that you've been on in you definitely have a
wide range and list of some amazing shows that you've
been on, and so you definitely are no stranger to
the podcast in radio world though, right.
Speaker 1: Right, right, Yeah, it's been a lot of fun, good stuff.
Speaker 3: So when I've seen your bio and some of the
stuff that you bring to the table, it's a little
bit of everything. It's a little bit of everything that
we talk about on the show. So I'd like to
cover at all. You was talking about where we can start.
What's a good place to tackle. I think astrology it
seems to be one of your strong points, and wondering
if maybe we can talk about that from a beginner's
standpoint for somebody who was just totally green to astrology
and how it affects our lives and things like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, you know, that's an interesting topic.
I was actually a skeptic of astrology. It was in
the mid seventies. I had just gotten my driver's license.
I'm dating myself here, and my mother was very accurate
at describing issues with girlfriends to the point to where
I said, what are you doing. I said, this is
way past mother's intuition. And she said, well, I've got
their charts. I said, well, what do you mean you
have their charts. She says, well, I'm doing their astrology.
And I said, well, come on. I said, that stuff
doesn't work right. And I've always been into mystics's since
a young child, but I never knew that astrology could really,
you know, interact with the real world. And she said,
she kind of laughed, and she said, well before you
debunk it, try it. And that's when I started studying it.
And I was at the time very much into like
most young guys are. You know, it's motorcycles and horses.
I grew up in the north Woods of Wisconsin. It's
kind of like Duke's Hazard up there, you know where
it's just a really rural place. And long story short,
the more I got into it, it really intrigued me.
And then as the eighties came in, I really started
studying with many different people and it started dovetailing back
into many mystical experiences that I had when I was
a child, Like I did an astral travel when I
was about seven or eight years old. It was somewhere
in that area, and my mother had said to me,
you know, you probably astro projected. I had a little
guinea pig that died in a cage, and I was
dreaming that I was standing actually, and I saw it,
and then I woke up and I ran down the
stairs and it was exactly that way. So that was
kind of my beginning of my mystical journey. And I
read voraciously many many books and studied many many things.
And it's interesting because throughout my life I've always been
brought to a lot of different spiritual and religious things
of varied types. I got to work with Mother Teresa
of Calcutta in the early early eighties, I think it
was seventy nine or eighty, right when she had won
the Nobel Peace Prize. I actually was on my company.
We actually recorded and filmed her, and I was doing
a series of different things with a lot of theologians
from Rome's and I've done a lot of things with
rabbinical texts and studying and recording people through the studio,
So it was a lot of fun for me, and
it's really something that found me, particularly in the nineties.
I found that when I got into vedic astrology and
some of the more ancient Egyptian astrologies in the late
eighties and early nineties is when it really started taking
off for me. And I've really never advertised or pushed
or written any books yet, and it just I'm kind
of amazed. I have clients from all over the world
and business clients, and I do a lot of different
I have clients in the government and military and business,
and a lot of personal readings. And I think where
it all ends up for me is everyone seeking, Like
I like the name of your show, Truthsick, We're all
seeking to find out who the heck we are. I
think vedic astrology is one area that really helps explain
who we are as souls having a physical experience, And
to me, I think that's something we're all, you know,
either actively or somehow subconsciously seeking because you know, there's
a challenging place to be, but it's also an amazing
place to be.
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, uh man, I you know appreciate those
genesis stories man of where like tracing it back to
where it started. And usually you know, someone when you
were a child, I had some type of supernatural, otherworldly experience,
and for me, I trace everything back to my childhood
and this seed was planned, something was birthed in me
when I, you know, was four or five years old.
Having this experience in the middle of the night with
shadow beings and things like that, it just I think
it opens you up to ask ask the bigger questions,
and so you do, do you trace everything back to
that first experience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've had a lot of experiences. A lot of
people would say they're UFOs or I've had a lot
of experiences with demons and spirits and angels, and it's
been pretty wild stuff. And that really got me into
studying that stuff, particularly in the eighties, and I don't
think anyone can ever stop studying that stuff. It's very humbling.
One of the models that I always really found was very,
very instructive was the Kabbalistic models, the very ancient ones.
When you get into the Enochian, very ancient texts, many
of the ancient Hebrew texts are very informaive, like the
Sepher Ratzil is actually a book from the archangel Rotzil,
and that's probably some of the earliest astrology. Many people
believe that it came from Adam and the whole genesis story,
like you were saying, and it really ancient astrology is
so much I think richer than modern astrology. And I
don't mean to bash modern astrology. Most people know their
sun signs right, but in vadic astrology, you're likely not
to be the sun sign that you were in tropical astrology.
Like everyone will say, I'm a liber arm a scorpiel,
in vadic astrology, it's using a sidereal zodiac. And if
I may here, I'll just show you if you can
allow me to do screen sharing, I could actually put
something on the screen here. That's kind of interesting. This
is a diagram I often use in sessions with people.
And of course zoom today is such an amazing tool.
I have, you know, clients all over the world that
I'm able to share things with. And there's a model
where our solar system is going around the central Sun.
It's known as the procession of the equinoxes. It happens
about every twenty six thousand years, is about twenty five
thousand and seven hundred and something years. No one's completely
in agreement, and yeah, you just allow me to share it.
That's perfect. So what you'll see here, and probably the
best diagram to show you is this one right here.
You can actually see this is the solar system if
you will, in glyph form, this is the sun alti Pluto,
and you can see this is the central Sun. Well,
we go around that every twenty five thousands have earned
something years and NASA has corobrated that. It's actually they say,
we're doing almost a half of a billion miles an
hour around it, so fast so that the planets are
spiraling well. In Vedic astrology they use this outer wheel
and also a lunar zodiac. And the whole premise of
ada astrology is that were spiritual beings having a physical
experience and you could see the soul force energy leaving
death to rebirth, and of course on and on and
on over the hills. And the real name of Ata
castrology is actually called Joe Tisha, which means that's a
Sanskrit word that actually means the science of the light
of the soul. And I have to say it really,
it really is. It's very amazing because all of us
are here by the premise of ada astrology, purifying and
rectifying the soul. And when I got into that branch
of astrology, it really changed my viewpoint and it made
me say, wow, we really are spiritual beings having this
physical experience. Well, one of my favorite diagrams to show
is this one. No matter which your religious faith is,
everyone believes, well, let's hope, everyone believes that there's a
God right and God is a course above all creation,
and it is believed that our souls are created right
about here. And there's no astrology up here. This is
called this is an Aramaic or Hebrew word called absolute,
which means divinity. And they say there's forty nine dimensions
in forty nine subdimensions. And we've all heard of the seraphims,
the cherubims, the thrones, and the ore fantoms that surround
the throne of God. Beneath that there's briah, which is
an Aramaic word or Hebrew word that means actually creation.
So this is divinity creation. And they say there's forty
nine dimensions in forty nine dimensions here. And of course
these are the classes of angels that are believed to
rule this. It's way down here in what they call
the yetserratic worlds or the world of Yetsira, and that
is an Aramaic or Hebrew word that means formation. This
is where the rotating galaxies are and the the you know,
the planets, and all the black holes and all the
physical stuff physics refers to. And that's and they say
there could be forty nine parallel dimensions in the universe
and forty nine subdimensions in each one, which is almost
incomprehensible when you think about that, and our Milky Way
just as a little picture of that may be way
way down here, and of course our solar systems on
the edge of it, and the last worlds is a
saya is the astral planes. It is the place of
demons and spirits and goats, ghosts, and of course that's
where assayah means action. This is where the spiritual action
really intermixes to the earth. And of course we've all
heard of the fallen demons. A lot of people say
it's just the devil, Well, it's actually Lucid for Satan
Blilah Leviathan, And I think what I like about a
model like this is. You know, even though different cultures
do this differently, Like if you get into Vedantic or
Tibetan or many other models, they're similar, different names, but similar.
And what we find is who are we? Well, if
our souls are created up here, we're certainly not our astrology.
You see what I'm saying. We are at the effect
of the karmic energies of our astrology. And that's kind
of why in this plate it shows the psyche spirit
and souls kind of spiritual dna reincarnating over and over
and over again until we purify and rectify the blemishes
in the soul. And that's the philosophy. And I actually
think that that is correct. I mean, look at the planet.
There's so many things going on here. It's constant war
and division and all that, and yet it's so many
wonderful things going on on this planet, you know.
Speaker 3: Man, very interesting. I know that astrology is the way
to go. I know that it's telling our stories. It's
telling the story that we're that we're journeying on collectively
and individually spiritually. It's playing out in the stars and
those things, and so I know that we everyone should
should at least look into it to some degree. When
I look at the Vedic stuff versus you know, classical
or whatever, what we have now, it actually looks like
a whole bunch of gebras. It's really hard for me.
I don't know where to start. It can't be Yes, yeah,
it looks it looks intimidating, I'll say that is it
it hard? Is it hard? Do you have to be
a master? Do you really have to give your life
over to it? Or is it something that anyone can
pay up and just with a little bit.
Speaker 1: I think anyone could pick it up. The key is,
like anything, to be good at anything, you have to
have the dedication to learn. The biggest issue with Veda
astrology or Joe Tishyae is there's many branches of it,
and I think the nomenclature is the hardest thing because
you're dealing with a very ancient, ancient science that comes
from that. There's many people who believe it could be
an ancient form of Tamil. Then it migrated into Sanskrit,
then it's now blended with Hindi, so you're dealing with
an ancient culture. We have to transpose all these terminologies
into English to just comprehend it. It's vast there's many branches.
There's maharishi Parashara, which was probably the main most people
studying Veda astrology would study parashaar' that's the main one.
Then there's Maharishi Jaimini, there's Tajika, there's Prashana. Prashna is divinational.
It literally is answering question. And then you have Maherta,
which is electional astrology picking times to get married, picking
times to take a trip, or picking times to you know,
commence an event. And that's called electional astrology in the West.
So yeah, it's a whole other world, it really is.
And I started BC before computers, and I always like
to tell the story. I had one teacher he's now gone,
amazing guy, and what happened. He said, Jeff, you must
always cast chart by hand. So we would draw the
charts out, you know, and color in all the planets
from the what they call it ephemeris or ponchanga. And
he says, see, now you get the feel of this.
And then I think it was in the late nineties,
like somewhere around ninety seven to ninety nine, I came
in with the first Vedic astrology program on a laptop
and he's got like, oh my god. He goes, that
is so fast. He said, that's amazing. He says, I
want to copy. I said no, no, no, grasshopper, just
to always cast start by hand, and he started laughing.
He goes, no, no, I want to I want to copy.
I says, yes, you do. So computers have really revolutionized astrology,
and it's wonderful because people studying it they get these
programs and they're just daunted. They're like, oh my god,
what do I do? All these different terms and things
that you can do. And the problem with astrology programs
is you have to set them up appropriately. There's so
many different settings and once you get them right, very
very amazing tool to have because you can I can
calculate things now in seconds that used to take me
literally forty five minutes.
Speaker 3: Can you use all of them? All of what the
different modes of astrology, like the like the classical ones
that we have now versus some of the different the
Vedic or whatever.
Speaker 1: I do. My main core go to systems are location astrology,
which I find absolutely amazing. Location astrology is extrapolating your
here I'll show you people can actually see it. It's
kind of nice to see the visual on this, so
you can see here, I'm going to start a program,
and this is one that I use a lot, and
you can see here. This is literally a map that'll
come up here and you can look anywhere in the
world now, of course I'm looking at the US right now,
and you could see you could see like any planet
with mc rule's career, relationships are affected by the DS nomenclature.
So you have the planets on what we call angle sunrise, noon, sunset, midnight,
which is different for every individual. Every single person has
their own unique footprint of energy based on the time
they were brought in. And what's fascinating about that is
you also have latitude crossings and then last but not least,
you have transits. It's very complex, like you can actually
see if I am make this, I'm going in monthly increments.
Here you can see the planets moving back and forth.
So as planets retrograde and go direct across the globe
depending on where one lives, it drastically affects the energies
coming in. And you also have what we call progressions too,
So it's an amazing tool that's one that I use.
The other one that I use a lot is interrogation astrology,
which is synonymous with prashna. Interrogation means literally asking a
question for instance. You know, I get this all the
time where people are in various situations and they'll say,
you know, is this relationship going to work out? Or
where's my cat? Or you know, is my mother's health
going to be okay? You can ask all kinds of questions,
and you know, I can't give anyone medical or legal advice,
but you can certainly get some really good insights into
the probability of which way something is going to go.
And that again, many people today call that horrorary. Horrorary
is a Latinized word that means interrogation or questions, and
I never liked that word, so I always call it interrogation,
which is actually a hand me down from a very
ancient astrologer named Rabbi ibn Isra, which I like a lot,
and he kind of coined that phrase in the eleven hundreds.
He was actually brought around by kings and queens in kingdoms,
and he would work with generals in the king or
the queen on many many different things. Also, electional times
were used to pick times for coronations, laying foundations. In fact,
there's actually a mirror where George Washington. Fact, you can
see it right there.
Speaker 3: That was it.
Speaker 1: I just blew by it. Here there's a mirror where
George Washington had laid the foundation in the United States
Capital a very specific time. Where is it? I keep
blowing by it here there.
Speaker 3: It is right there.
Speaker 1: So they actually laid the cornerstone of the capital at
a very auspicious time. You can see he's got his
Masonic apron on there and interesting stuff. So, you know,
Benjamin Franklin, one of the fore founders or you could
say founding framers, was adamant about using electional astrology. I
find free will has to be in there that you know.
I don't think people should live their life by astrology,
but I think it's it's a very powerful tool to
see when things can work out. And every time I
haven't used it, I've seen disasters results in my life.
And that's why I always go back and say, wow,
I mean I should have used it, And it's pretty amazing.
Speaker 3: Are these cycles the same every year or or they
different every year?
Speaker 1: Oh? God, this constantly changing. It's an absolute kaleidoscope of change.
I mean, take the world right now. I have been
you know, people years ago we're asking me. I was
on coast to coast, got it had to be ten
years ago or fifteen years ago. It was a long
time ago. And several radio shows and everyone was asking me,
what do you think of the Mayan calendar? And I
said not much. I said, I can't come up with
a single thing that is directly going to affect the
world with the Mayan calendar. And of course twenty twelve
came in. Twenty twelve went and you know, he said, well,
when when does the astrology look like the cycles are coming?
And you know, you mentioned Genesis and we talked a
little bit about Enoch. Well, the ancient text in astrology
said that God made changes to the world on Saturn
Jupiter conjunctions, which anyone study astrology will know happens about
every twenty years, but about every thousand years. They happened
in very specific configurations. And on the radio shows, I said,
the time that I would be concerned about the world
going through transformation and change is twenty twenty. And they
said why, I said, because we have a two hundred
and forty year sub cycle of Saturn in Jupiter the
last time, and that's exactly what happened this January. We
had a Saturn plutal conjunction. Which do we have. We're
all wearing masks. The whole country, the whole world was
shut down, not just the country, and of course we
had the pandemic breakout we've had. I'm kind of amazed
at how accurate the astrology was this year. We had
a Saturn plutal conjunction. Every time those happened, major transformations
happened in the world. And at the end of this year,
on the winter solstice of literally on December twenty first,
this year, we have a two hundred and forty year
Saturn Jupiter conjunction. And people say, well, what does that mean. Well,
the last time we had something like that was the
beginning of the Industrial Revolution, and we went from horses,
you know, to literally flying through the skies and going
to the moon and all the other things that we do.
And look at the communications. You and I are sitting
across the country with vivid clarity, hearing ourselves, you know,
in excellent detail, and the world has changed, and I
think we're going to see a high tech revolution that
is going to be mind boggling over the next well,
clearly in the next two hundred years, but for the
next we're about ready to rocket forward. It's going to
be like the Jetsons. I really think in ten twenty
years we're going to be astounded at where we're at.
And the astrology shows that, the cycle showing.
Speaker 3: Did you happen to watch that latest interview with Joe
Rogan and Elam.
Speaker 1: No, he did not know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's there. They're trying to come up with the technology,
which they already have it. They're just trying to implement
it where they can put the biotips within the brains
and fix your body, cure Alzheimer's dementia, will be no more,
living longer, all types of its, allcom capabilities downloaded with
the new program. Far to listen to that podcast, that's intriguing.
It's beautiful and scary at the same time and scary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's that's the problem is it's a double
edged sword. You know we're gonna see I personally think
it's it's very interesting.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I don't want to get into politics because a lot
of people love Trump a lot of people hate Trump,
especially here in California. If I say anything that sounds
like I like Trump, I'm gonna get bricks thrown through
my window. But the bottom line is, it's very fascinating
to me what happened with Tesla. Speaking of Musk, Tesla,
I think really cracked the dielectric secrets to the atomic
structures of physical matter. And today many people refer to
that as free energy cold fusion. There's many names for it.
And I think he had it, and I think he
presented that to JP Morgan and many others, and they
quashed it. They said, wait, wait a minute, we're pumping
oil out of the ground, and you want to come
along with something that negates it.
Speaker 3: No way.
Speaker 1: And I don't think the world was ready. It's interesting
that and why I brought up Trump is because John Trump,
which was Donald Trump's uncle, was in the CIA, and
he was part of the team that confiscated all of
the Tesla documents, or at least probably had access to
many of them when Tesla passed away in the New
York hotel. And I think there's a lot of things
that have been shelved that are probably going to be
introduced to society very soon. This Saturn Jupiter conjunction that's
happening is really truly ushering in a new age, and
we're going to see a lot of innovators like Elon
Musk and many others. Can you imagine what the military
actually really has, I mean, think about having I know,
I have a couple of clients in black ops and
I can't say anything, but I can tell you that
the United States is in a unique position because it
prints its own money and it sets the global standard
for the dollars. And I've heard the amount of money
poured into black ops. It's just staggering, and no one knows,
you know, no one really knows what it is. And
when you have that kind of research power and resources,
it's got to be mind boggling. What's really there. I
think the reason the society doesn't have it is the structures.
I mean, we go to a gas pump, we don't
realize when we run that credit card, we're paying road
taxes and so many other things in the infrastructure. So
in order for this to happen, it's gonna take time.
It's going to take you know, a lot of changes
which I think are coming and I think that's why
we're seeing America and the world go through so much
drama right now. Even the George Floyd I could I
was amazed because everybody said to me, what do you
think of the pandemic? Is it ever going to end?
And in vadic astrology, the Moon's north and south nodes,
which are known as eclipse points, that's where the Sun
and the moon join, where they went into two very
malific lunar mansions. And just for anyone here, this is
kind of cool, I'll show you this. These are known
as the lunar mansions that surround the Earth. And I
always joke around with the astronomers because a lot of
astronomers laugh at astrology. They really do. They think, I'll
come on, it's a joke. You know, the constellations don't
line up. Well, they're right, they don't. It's a spiritual construct. Well,
this is the twenty seven lunar mansions that surround the Earth.
And of course I just want a picture of the
Earth here. So as the moon, which by the way,
the moon's doing almost mock two and a half around
the Earth, which is quite fast. The moon is they say,
the soul passes through the body at the first breath.
The angel ties the spirit, psyche and the soul to
the body at first breath in Veda castrology, and that's
also a Kabbalistic legend too, And I absolutely believe it's true.
I was in the delivery room when my son was
born and witnessed that, which was amazing. So the lunar
mansions are very sacred, and they surround the Earth. And again,
no matter how much the astronomers polish the lenses on
their telescopes, they're never going to see this zodiac either,
because it's a spiritual construct. Well why did I tell
you this is because this year, right when the pandemic
broke out, in fact decisely, we had two very important
things happen. One, we had a collis sarpa yoga that's
a strange term in Veda castrology. That means all the
planets were in between the Moon's north and south nodes.
In fact, here I can actually show that to you.
Watch and everybody said to me, when do you think
this is going to start to break? And I said, right,
it'll start to break in April, but it'll really start
to break right at the end of May. Now, watch
this you can actually see if you look, every single
planet here on this wheel is in between this little
horseshoe and this little horseshoe. See that every planet's on
that side of the art. There's no planets right here.
That's known as a Collis sarpa yoga. And what does
that mean. Well, often they call it a serpent curse,
but they also mean that it's a very powerful karmic
time when energy is released. Well, the nodes, meaning the
Moon's north and south nodes, were also in these malific
lunar mansions, and every time they get in them, there's
some kind of a strange occurrence on the Earth. Good
good example, Aids broke out on this, Kennedy was killed
on this. We had strange stuff in the fifties on that.
I think the Hiroshima happened on that. The pandemic of
nineteen seventeen, which would kill almost one hundred million people
they g uestimate they documented over fifty million globally.
Speaker 3: Can we chart that? Like, can you go back?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure you can't. Yeah. And I went back
and looked at the plague, the Black plague, the quote
unquote black Peg of London was the same thing. They
had those same conditions. So these have the nodes actually
go around the zodiac about meaning the moon's north and
south node, which by the way, for anyone listening who's
into Vedic astrology, they called the north note of the
moon Rahu and the south node of the moon K two,
and Rahu and K two are known as the serpent.
In fact, there's an ancient legend that when God gave
the immortal potion to the planets, this demon snuck in
and drunk the potion, and the Sun told God this
demon snuck it and drank it and threw a discus
at it and cut it in half. The head became
the north node, and of course the south node became
the south node or K two. They had to became
Rahu and k tu, and they're known as the serpent.
And that's because they kind of serpentine back and forth
around the zodiac every eighteen and a half years. So
what's unique is every eighteen and a half years we're
not going to get a major pandemic, but this one
was so severe because of the confluence of events. You
can actually see look at this is Pluto, that's stupid
or that's Saturday. They're all right together right now, and
watch what happens here right on May twenty seventh. Here,
if I go forward May twenty six, twenty seven, you
can see the moon shoots out past the north node.
And right after that, literally days later, Mercury broke the
Collisarpa yoga and that's it. So and then people say, well, okay, great,
the pandemic ended, and then the George Floyd riots broke out. Well,
notice Venus is retrograde too, So it's like we went
from one thing to the next, and the all the
rioting and the insanity happened right when Venus went retrograde.
And Venus retrograde was also synonymous with Lucifer falling or
the ancient cuts a quaddle mayan myth where something happens,
someone in power commits an atrocious act and then there's
retribution for it. Well, it's exactly what happened. You know,
that video was played and everyone went crazy. And now
the other reason I think the unrest is going on
is because we have the Saturn Jupiter conjunction coming in
and there's a lot more things. Astrology is not simple.
We also have the United States chart see the signing
of the Declaration of the Independence is another thing that
astrologers use to look at the cycles. Just like the
birth chart of you and me or anyone else, you
can look at the birthchart of the nation. And because
the United States is so new, it's only two hundred
and forty something years old, we have that data. And
there's dispute between astrologers as to which one to use,
but no matter which one we use, I use the Siby.
It's named after a mystic name, Ebenezer Sibley, and that's
why they call it the sibly Chart. He's believed to
have recorded the exact time they documented or worth signing it.
And long story short, the United States is going through
some serious transformation here over the next two years. So
no matter who gets in I tell you, they're going
to have a real situation to deal with here with
the US going through some very powerful transits.
Speaker 3: That's interesting. One of the first times that I've heard
the h I guess the moons referred to as mansions.
And one of the interesting inscription the Bible says, in
my father's house are many mansions, and it's speaking about astrology.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and I think it's beyond astrology. You know.
I mean, when you look at that model I had
spoken about before, which you talk about mansions, there's literally worlds,
dimensions and worlds here. Yeah, just the astrol planes alone
are elabyrinth. I mean, if you have forty nine dimensions
and forty nine sub dimensions down here. This is also
known as the pouch of the slingshot in many ancient
Egyptian and rabbinical texts. The pouch of the slingshot is
this astral world down here between what they call the
sub lunar world of the Moon and the Earth, in
an astral sense. And many physicists are saying that this
is quite probable, particularly in quantum physics, where there are
multiple dimensions in the astral worlds. And again many psychics
intuitives are very familiar with this, and this is the
world of the ghosts, of the demons and all that
other stuff. And I really believe that that is so.
And the lunar position in the physical world seems to
really coincide with something in Vedic astrology known as the
vim shatory dashas, which are time lords that every soul
will experience throughout their lives. I'm amazed at how accurate
it is again, I was a skeptic of astrology. I'm like,
you know, I really was in to physics and electronics
growing up, and always music. I love music, and you know,
I don't believe in just theory. I have to see
some result. And the thing with astrology is you see
concrete results in these cycles. I've seen it in my
own life. It's absolutely mind boggling. And the religions have
demonized it or what's the work of the devil? Well,
that's kind of interesting because you know, talk about Rome
here for a minute, the early Roman Church. We've heard
of like the Niocene councils and many different councils that
had existed in Rome, and they basically took the doctrines
of reincarnation and threw them out the window. And they
are one of the few religions on the earth that
had done that. Almost every other culture believes in the
potential of reincarnation and after life and all of that.
And this world here of Asaya is called the pouch
of the slingshot and rabbinical texts, which means where souls
leave when they exit of course life known as death
to us, and they will oftentimes be in these astral
worlds for whatever amount of time it would be. And
they say, the guardian Angel there's a celestial court, and
no one knows exactly where that is, but the celestial
court appears to be at least with this dimension lined
up with this solar system. And what's fascinating is they
say the angel will attach the spirit, soul and psyche
like an assignment to the embryo at conception, not at birth,
and you're not in the embryo, but you're attached to
it like with the silver cord analogy, and then the
nine lunch of gestation. You're in converse with this angel.
And then right when the child exits the mother's womb,
the angel ties the spirit psyche and sold to the
body permanently at first breath. And I never knew if
that legend was true. It's actually anyone can see that
that's or read about that. That's actually in a text
called the Sepher Hagada. Sepher means book and Hebrew and
Hagada means legends. And it's a fascinating text written by
two rabbis out of Russia in the late eighteen hundreds,
and there's several versions of it. But I never knew
if that was true until my son was born. I
was holding my wife's hand and I literally saw I
didn't see any wings or shapes, but I saw two
spheres of light and they joined right when he cried,
and my hair and my skin just went I just, oh,
my god, it's true. And I wasn't even thinking about it,
you know, because my wife had to go with an
epidural and sea section and it was of traumatic. And
of course I'm watching a doctor slice my wife's stomach
wide open, kind of graphic, and yank the baby out
and all the blood and the fluid. So the last
thing on my mind was angels, right, and then I
see that, I'm going, oh my god, you know, this
is amazing. And the energy in the room was so sacred,
it was so enlightening, and I'll never forget going around
the table.
Speaker 3: They had.
Speaker 1: They put my boy on this little table and he
was crying and he reached I went up over him,
and he reached up and grabbed my thumbs and stopped
crying to look right at me. And they can't see,
you know, when when they were first born. At least
that's what they say. And that was that was the
most profound experience of my life. I have to say
that was absolutely amazing. Oh yeah, they see the guardian
I mean a country up. I just want to add
this before I forget. They say that the positions of
the plan, if you take the Hebrew letters, you can
actually get the name of the guardian angel from the
moment in time you're born. I do that a lot
for people on pendants with astral gemstones that I set
for people. You can actually get the name of your
guardian angel. How do you do that, Well, you take
the astrology.
Speaker 3: See what you do.
Speaker 1: Let's just pretend this is someone's birth tard. You order
the twenty two airmaker Hebrew letters repeatedly around the wheel.
It's a mathematical task. It takes me about forty five minutes.
And then you take each planet's position and degree and
you order that in what we call the Egyptian Essential Dignities.
And I'm not so sure they're Egyptian, but you can
see down here this is the Egyptian Essential Dignity. So
you order that planet's letter that it's in in the
Egyptian Essential Dignities. What's even more mind boggling is there's
correspondences in the numerology to the Bible, in Genesis, the
Psalms and many different Old Testament that's called the Torah,
and also in the Psalms that numerologically relate to the Angel.
And I've done this for many people, and it's kind
of mind boggling because a lot of the phrases match
some of the destinies of the soul. So I always say,
forget Trinity, Neo and Morpheus, this is the real matrix.
They actually say the Angel and this is this is cool.
I'll watch this. If you've ever seen I'm sure you've
seen the Tree of Life most people have. They actually
say the human form is imbued with spirit, and the
positions of the planets on the Tree of Life align
with the merits of the soul as it's incarnated. And
then that becomes like a print. So your birth chart
is literally like a resonant print. It's not you, it's
the resonant print of the journey of the soul in
this incarnation. So when you look at transits and progressions
and dawshes, it's completely amazing because what it does is
it shows the journey of the soul. Like primary directions
and astrology are kind of mind boggling. I just lost
two really good friends. They were very young, they were
only in their sixties, and both died of a heart attack,
and I was astounded at the primary directions that were
in their charts. Both of them passed away. And you know,
I don't like to look at that for people. I mean,
most people, they kind of want to know when they're
going to check out, and I think you can alter
that stuff. But it's pretty amazing how accuratey astrology is.
It really is, and I'm kind of mind blowing up
by it.
Speaker 3: Looking at this human experience and this journey of the
soul that we're undergoing. Do you think that once we
pass do you think that we stepped into other worlds,
incarnate there to learn things and with different experiences as well,
or do we just heap coming back to this realm
and this world as we know it to be Earth.
Do you think there's other expressions and the missions that
we enter into and got to pass through to learn
other things? Here we learned how to love, here, we
learned how to overcome our fears, and you know, those
kind of things. And it's so much that we're learning,
but a different existence where there's other things to learn,
and we're incarnated differently with the same soul.
Speaker 1: Oh. Absolutely. In fact, here's an interesting world of texts.
Let me show you this. This is a text for
anyone that wants to This is called the share he
Gilgam or shar ar in air mak and Hebrew means
gat or gates, and Gilgam means cycling or recycling. So
you can see the text is the gate of reincarnations.
And in this what it talks about there's a model.
See then, the feesh is known as the lower psyche.
There's another analogy I can show you. See in psychology,
this big thick dark line is kind of the demarcation
between what maybe a psychiatrist or psychologist would call our
conscious mind below here and our subconscious mind is above here.
Notice this planet, if anyone knows astrology, that is Saturn.
Saturn is the cross over the crescent of the moon.
In fact, all the glyphs of the planets come from
the circle, the crescent and the cross, every one of
them the sun. They see. The physicists, certain ones are
beginning to agree that the suns aren't just nuclear fission.
They could be and I don't know if you've heard
of the electrical universe, but they could be an interaction
that's much different than they originally fought. There is other
texts that say the reason that the stars and the
suns are so bright is because they're shining down into
these lower dimensions from the upper dimensions above. We hear
this about ascended masters, and you know, like when Christ
let out his energy and different people let out their energy,
they're so bright people can't even see. Well, isn't try
to looking at the sun. Sometime they say the sun
is like a portal, if you will, to the upper realms,
and that's why it gives life and heat and vitality.
Any scientists will tell you the sun is much more
than heat. We couldn't live but for seconds without the Sun.
It's putting so much energy into these lower worlds, or
at least our lower world for sure, and the other ones.
So the principle, and this is deep stuff To answer
own question, I certainly don't claim to have all the answers.
But they say the lower psyche is than the fesh,
the raws is the spirit, the neshma is the lower
portion of the soul, and incarnations on earth keep happening,
and how we purify and rectify the soul so that
we can move on to these upper worlds. And I
to answer your question, I believe absolutely we could incarnate
one time. We could incarnate thousands. I certainly don't know.
I know Vedic astrology is astounding. You can see where
your sole root comes from on the tree of life.
And here I'll just cast a chart in Veda astrology
so people can see. Since we've got the ability to
go visual here, I'll just cast a chart here to
just show you what this is. One type of Vedic astrology.
It's the Northern Indian. You also have the Southern Indian
charts that look like this, but either one can be used.
But again, Vedic astrology has these over here. They're known
as karacas. You can see what karaka means in plain
English is indicator and ak means the Atma kark which
is the soul roots indicator. So every one of us
has the zodiac, and I should say, the entire heavens
is this exceedingly complex matrix of angelic forces that the
soul is imprinted through as it incarnates. So we're not
our astrology modern astrology. I call it love, light and cluelessness.
Everyone all my Sun's sign, and the Internet has become
so enladened with sun sign astrology. And there is some
truth to it because the lower psyche is definitely the
egoic sense of self is the Sun. So we all
have an ego, and we all have our sense of self,
but that's not us. And I think once we get
past that, all the great spiritual teachers tell us that,
you know, once we become more stoic, less reactive, and
learn to be in connection with our higher self or
our higher consciousness, we stop becoming so angry and violent
and all that, and we start really receiving maybe the
upper consciousness that we all have, and that is blocked
a lot by the ego. And what's interesting is Saturn
seems to be the escape from Alcatraz planet. If I
go back to this diagram, this will kind of blow
your mind. You know what Malachus means. That's the Earth,
so does the moon. That is Venus, that's Mercury, that's
the Sun, that is Jupiter, that's Mars. Guess what Binya
is Saturn. So when you look at the psyche, the
spirit and the lower portion of the soul, we come
here to rejoin this in incarnations through the purifications. Every
reading I do, including in my own life, we all say, God,
why do we have to endure this relationship or this situation?
Why is so and so mad at me? Or why
did I end up? You know, in a situation that
I grew up like this? In Vedic astrology, people always
think I'm psychic. They go, how did you know? My
mom was that way? My dad was that How did
you know that you know this happened? And I'm saying
because it showed up in the progressions and transits in
your Veda castrology, and they're like, wow. Like I met
my wife about twenty three years ago now at a
gas station in Malibu, And you know, I guess meeting
someone at a gas station is too intriguing sounding, but
if you put Malibu in there, it sounds better. So anyways,
we ended up meeting at a coffee shop later, and
I brought my computer with me and I cast her
chart and the first thing I noticed was, Wow, what
happened to you at about two and a half three
years old? And you know, she gets a little bit
of a tear in her eye and she says, that's
when I was giving up for adoption and my aunt
adopted me. Well, how would I know that? Because the
primary see the positions of the planets, to keep this
simple in plain English, when you're born, the positions of
all the planets will progress in what we call primary directions,
which is a fancy term for the motion of the
earth daily. And when you view these you can see
the riddles of life unfolding. And she had the primary
directed moon conjuncting Saturn almost precisely two and a half
years later after birth, right off the bat. I just
had a client the other day. I said, oh my god,
what happened to you? Poor girl? At about three years old,
just before four, she had the primary directed moon opposing Mars. Well,
her mother left her and she was raised by her father.
Her mother just left. So I see this all the time,
Like I had a horrible motorcycle accident in the late
seventies and I'm going, what the he cause it? And
I noticed primary directed Mars was conjuncting Mercury almost to
the teeth. And I see this throughout all. We all
are h given challenges, and a lot of the religious
stuff is really accurate that we are here to you know,
purify and become more spiritual and holy. You know, the
problem is is everyday life doesn't lend to that. We're
all in this modality of you know, attack and balance
the checkbook, get the job that we don't like, or
you know, endure all these things, and a lot of
them are karmic lessons. They really are, and it's our
reaction to them that makes the difference.
Speaker 3: Man, so many questions and uh, so much good stuff.
There's a bunch of people enjoying it in the chat.
There's some people here who are familiar with the Vedic
astrology as well.
Speaker 1: So really cool.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so you know we spent we spent the
first hour talking about astrology and that we can keep
going on about it. There's some other things that that
we mentioned as well. And uh, you mentioned having these
experiences with what some people call UFOs and things like that,
and how that took you to another level of whether
it's spirituality or just these experiences and things like that.
What were some of those encounters with UFOs and things
like that.
Speaker 1: I've had a lot. God, let me where can I start. Well,
I'll tell you one that happened to me that was
really kind of mind blowing. I used to be in
a musical group and we would play and I was
coming home from a girlfriend's house late one night on
a motorcycle. This is God has said to me, like
nineteen seventy five, nineteen seventy six, it was a long
time ago. And I'm going along. This is way up
in northern Wisconsin, and I'm going along a lake called
Big Saint Germain, and I noticed out of my review
or out of my mirror on my left side, I
saw a flash of yellow light. That's weird, you know.
It's three o'clock in the morning. And I look up
and I'm in the middle of the woods, right CRUs
on this really desolate road. It was like sleepy hollow
up there. And I look and I see this triangular
shape up above the trees. I thought, okay, that's kind
of weird, and it had this luminescent look. So then
I hit the gas and I'm going along. And there's
a lot of lakes up where we lived, this way
up in the woods. And I got to our lake,
which is called Lost Lake, and I was coming down
the road and I took a left going now going
along the lake shore and about probably a quarter mile up,
the bike dies completely dies, just done, I mean, no lights, nothing,
And I thought, okay, And at the time I smoked.
Everybody smoked in the seventies. So I took my big
lighter out and I lighted, and I checked, and I
remember I had a little tool kid. It was a
little tool kid underneath the battery, and I arked the
battery with two with a wrench and a screwhart nothing,
I mean, just dead. I thought, wow, that's strange. So
just a little waist up the road. I knew a
friend was there, and you know, at three o'clock in
the morning, I come knocking on the door and I
said to mister Lara Matis, I said, hey, do you
do you mind if I saw to wake you up?
Do you mind if I put my bike down here?
Because you know, I explained what happened, and he was
he said, yeah, I'll help you push it down. So
he comes up to the road with me. This is
a long driveway and he's the one to notice it.
He saw the same thing up there, way off above
the trees. He says, what the heck is that? And
I said, well, that's interesting because I saw the thing
up above me over on Big Saint Germaine, and he said, wow,
that's kind of weird looking, and it was coming down
really really slowly. I used to track these things, so
put the bike there. He gave me a ride home
because I still had a few miles ago. And next
morning I took the pickup truck and came with my mother.
It came over because she was going to drive the
truck home and in case it started. And I went
over there and was ready to load the bike up,
and I figured, well, maybe I'll just try it. I
hit the key. It just starts right up, perfect battery,
perfect and of course, you know, no explanation, but I
think that thing shut me down. So I've had many
experiences like that. I've had missing time where we've ended
up on other sides of roads. I've had spiritual demons
come in and like grab me by the neck when
I'm sleeping and drive it away, and that got me.
This now enters the eighties. I had this really interesting
and fascinating journey. I was hired by this spiritual organization,
actually a couple of them, to do all these radio
shows and with my studio, and we would do audio
visual stuff and radio and some video a little bit
of film. That's how I ended up filming Mother Teresa
of Calcutta, and I started recording all these theologians coming
over from Rome in the place called the Bellermine Retreat
House in Chicago, and it was really fascinating because I
was exposed to all this different religious theologies. And of
course meating Mother Teresa was really cool. She was very
very sweet, hardly said anything, and I got the recorder
and film her for about two and a half hours
in a little town called Kenosha, Wisconsin. And long story short,
as time went on, I just was really blessed to
be exposed to so many different things, both in Christianity,
Judaism and Hinduism and Tibetan you know, all Daoists, all
these different things, and Buddhism. And it's always been a
fascination to me that they all believe in God, but
they all believe in it completely different and there's truths
every one of them. And I'm all, this, where does
all this fit with astrology? And clearly we are in
a very divine diverse place here that it's all going
on here on earth.
Speaker 3: It really is.
Speaker 1: This is a really amazing place of such diverse karmic energies.
I mean, you can do anything here. You can get
angry and kill someone, which I would highly recommend no
one do, because the karmic implication beyond that alone, let
alone the horribleness of that is not recommended. And then
you can do the most divine things you can. Heal,
you can you know, be kind to people and really
nurture and make wonderful things on this planet. So it's
the place of free will, it really is. And I
think the ghosts and demons are pissed off at us,
and a lot of them, not so much the ghost
as much as the demons, because I really think they
were cast down. I think the Genesis story is much
more accurate than meets the eye, and it appears that
they really don't like human beings. They despise us because
we have the free will. Whether if they can lead us,
they certainly will.
Speaker 3: You think they're jealous of us, and they need a
host to kind of like feel what it feels like
to be human again or not human but have a
physical existence again.
Speaker 1: I think that's part of it. Yeah, I mean we
hear these The books of Enoch are very fascinating. And
there's overwhelming evidence that has been presented by some really
good minds that the New Testament was largely influenced by
the Book of Enoch. And they found Ethiopian texts, there's
Egyptian and different versions of it, and that appears to
be pre and Aluvian, and it speaks about how the
demons have copulated with women. And of course we hear
the story of the giants. Well, there's military guys. We'll
tell you that they've seen strange phenomena underground giants different places.
This stuff is kept very, very secret. I know I've
seen a lot of people have heard a bigfoot, right,
but I've seen some stuff up in the woods that
was pretty inexplicable. I'm not that tall. I'm about maybe
six three six three and a half and I was
walking in the again in the seventies and I saw
this huge individual. I mean he had to be eight
feet tall. I mean just towered over me and hardly crunched.
I just heard the snow crunch a little bit. I
was walking up on a dark night to a friend's
house and this guy turned around. Whatever he was, he
didn't look like a sasquatch. He just looked like a
huge individual. He turned around and saw me. It was
probably about one hundred yards away, so I couldn't see it.
It was pretty dark. He turned around and ran silently
and went through the brush. And I know that brush.
You could not a deer couldn't go through that brush
and not break a twig. And that dude was gone.
And I went up to my friend's house. We went
down there with lights and we're looking. We saw these
huge footprints and pretty wild stuff. So there's a lot
of stuff going on on this planet that is very secret.
I believe the Black ops and the military are very
familiar with this stuff. I mean, we've heard all the
stories about the underground bases and all this crazy stuff
going on. There's probably a lot more truth to it
than we know. For some reason, it's not allowed to
be exposed at this time to the secular public. I mean,
we know they go out of their way to keep
it secret, and I think the government has probably been interacting.
I mean, we've heard about Lieutenant Philip Corsol. I'm sure
you've heard of him, right, the ole Roswell thing. In fact,
my wife Camille, who wrote for UFO magazine in the
late nineties early two thousands, I was exposed to a
lot of really wonderful researchers, and I work with remote
viewing people both outside of the military and some I
can't mention, but I've done research and we found that
the celestial energy is meaning astrology and positioning of fixed
stars and planets have a huge effect on remote viewing,
and they see all kinds of stuff. It's pretty bizarre
what goes on in this planet, and it's also bizarre
to me how it's kept so secret. Many guys in
the military will tell you they have seen phenomena documented
on radar and scientific instruments. Right off the coast of
Malibu here there's this huge underground tunnel and they've documented
these craft come out of there and they go from
like nothing to you know, warp speed if you will.
I mean, it's just thousands of miles an hour. Anything
we'd have would burn up trying.
Speaker 3: To do that. Have you been up to Mount Adams
where James Gillilan is in Washington?
Speaker 1: Oh? No, I have not.
Speaker 3: No, Yeah, it's pretty pretty interesting. They're seeing all these
type of UFOs and craft and things like that that
they are kind of summoning, if you will, going out
under the night sky and kind of making contact. And
there's a lot of activity in and around mountains which
are interesting. There's portals and opening up that they're catching
on camera, and lights coming out of the mountain and
flying away and coming into the top of a mountain
and things like that. Even around volcanoes. We've seen UFO
activities around volcanoes and such as well.
Speaker 1: You know, that's a great topic. You bring up mountains.
What's in a mountain all kinds of minerals, crystals, right,
when you think about minerals and crystals. I mean even
in our computers, the chips still use crystals to time.
So it's amazing when you look at they could be
very complex switches, dimensional switches that the mineral compositions allow.
I mean, we're just began to understand. I think the
future is very bright when it comes to technology and science,
as I really do. I think we're unfolding. We're just
scratching the surface of what this whole world is all
about and existence. You know, quantum physicists will tell you
that everything is made up of molecules and atoms, right,
but what's really connecting them what's holding them in these patterns.
They're all like little solar systems, if you will. The
only difference between gold and plastic and air is the
molecular construct. It's all just energy. It's all just energy.
And to manipulate that if one knew, and I believe
Tesla was cracking into that, and that's the golden secrets
that I think are going to become unfolded. I personally
think it's angels holding everything together. I really really do.
We ain't smart enough to figure that one out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, have you had any experiences or any counters, encounters,
any visions of that kind of kind of thing. Well, yeah,
I know you've talked about the demonic ryan, these ets
or oh goblins, but what about like the beautiful and
well make you feel good type of beings as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've actually been saved by some of them, miraculously.
I think we all have, or we wouldn't be drawing breath.
We're just so far out of touch with it, you know.
When you take that model again, this is just a
nice way to speak about it. They say the upper
angelic realms hold these guys in abeyance, And I don't
think the world would exist if they didn't they they
say the guardian Angel of the Thrones brings us souls
down into creations, and I do say that plurally. So
there isn't just Earth. And I think once we get
done with the work that we need to do here,
I think, like you mentioned earlier, we move on to
many other worlds and many other dimensions and heavens, and
I mean God would only know literally what those are.
And I think those upper angels, thank God, literally hold
these guys in abeyance. You know, we hear the stories.
One of the most probably utilized magical texts is The
Keys of Solomon, and I think it's very dangerous. I
really do not subscribe to magic. And everyone who's familiar
in the Western world with the Bible will certainly know
what Exodus is. Well, Exodus has seventy two encrypted angel names.
There's actually seventy two to the good and seventy two
to the evil. And there's many ancient texts that describe this.
And if you permeate the three letters in the well,
there's permeations of the three verses, I should say, not
three letters, three verses that give you the names of
all these angels. Well, they're known in Hebrew as the
shem Hemophore. Well, that's the cornerstone of many medieval grim
mars and magic, and it's very dangerous stuff because what
happens is people get a hold of this stuff and
they start summoning demons and spirits, and this stuff's really real.
And the angels appear to protect us from that other
than maybe our karma, until we open those doors. That's
why I run into a lot of folks. Hey, what
do you think of this? I'd stay away from it. Buddy,
you open that you dial that number. And this again
goes right back to many Christians will remember what did
Christ do? He cast out legion, he did this, he
did that, And this is all about spiritual depossession and
spiritual cleansing. Well, if the upper angels weren't allowing that,
this place would wouldn't even exist. You know, all these
horrible wars and things seem to it seems to be
free will is allowed here. I mean, look at the
things we do to each other. We sue each other,
we kill each other, we do horrible things. But on
the other hand, no one looks at the beauty that's
going on here. I mean, just life itself. I don't
you find me any educated, pompous, arrogant person. And many
of them are, though a lot of them are very humble.
Who can design life? I mean, just look at we
can split genes and do genetics. But you find me
somebody who can actually take raw substance materials out of
the elemental universe and design life. Not a chance, Not
a chance. I mean the genetics that unfold in you.
We were all little babies, and that seed just grows.
I mean, the doctors can tell you why you're alive,
and they can analyze you in the allopathic sense of
what's wrong, but they sure can't create life or maintain
it when it's over, when that spirit vacates the body.
And I think that's all the angels. We're all experiencing
it all the time, we're just so blocked from it.
Speaker 3: What do you think about you talking about, like, you
know what I'm saying, being careful with magic and things
like that. What about channeling? I know, you help people
who have gone through a lot of spiritual crazy stuff
that they've kind of opened up doors and just kind
of helping them out and things like that. What about channeling?
Do you think that people can become demonically possessed or
oppressed by opening up their mind and their spirit to
letting other spirits inhabit their body and give them downloads
of secret information or privy information and things like that.
Speaker 1: I think it's a dangerous area. I know I could
do that, and I do not choose to do so.
I know I do clearings on people, and I have
seen sometimes you just can't do it until the time
is right. That's where astrology is really interesting. There seems
to be here's an interesting thing the Invedic astrology at
but in the Vedantic literature. So you've got to remember
Vedic astrology is only a small branch of Vedanta. It's
so amazing the secrets that were in the ancient Vedantic texts.
And many people may have heard of the Upanishads or
the Jupanishads. There's the Major and Miter Jupanishads. They're kind
of like scriptures, and there's one called the Tatriaca where
it mentions in Sanskrit the word graha actually means planet,
and Graha also means Caesar or grasper of the aura.
And a lot of times the dashes that were in
there are certain you could say karmic things going on.
See in Hebrew they call it an impure. They say
that at thirteen years old. That's why Judaism has the
bar Mitzvah bat Mitzvah ritual. But that's actually not just
germane to Judaism. That was actually known that that happened
in the Danta, and also knew that Tibetan, Lamas and
many other cultures knew that at that time different angelic
forces would join the body. This is why when puberty happens,
it's such a I mean, teenagers has completely changed. Any
parent could admit when you watch your little children turn
to teenagers, they change, They drastically change. Not only do
they go through puberty, but they also personally really change.
And these angels and spirits, they're called the bures, some
people call them dubuque, some people call them different things.
But there's a mirror of different things that join us
throughout our lives. And I really believe the celestial angelic
courts show that. And the text I was referring to earlier,
the Sharih Gilgem, is all about that. It speaks about
how we're all here purifying and rectifying and rejoining the
fragments of the soul's in psyche as we go through
these incarnations, and we're definitely connected from a soul roots
standpoint to our parents and our lineage. You know, Like
we get our DNA tests and we say, oh, I'm
from France or from you know wherever. That's just the
physical DNA. I'm talking about the spiritual DNA, the actual
spiritual soul root connections which may or may not be
genetically traceable, but they're spiritually traceable. And Vedic astrology really
taps into that, even though I don't think we can
go too far, but you can see a lot. And
I know when I try and get around channeling, I
get danger. I think you're now agreeing to open up
your aura, and other things can jump in. One of
my favorite texts was doctor Carl Wickland. He was a
psychiatrist who documented a book called Thirty Years among the Dead,
and his wife was a channel and she, like Abraham Hicks.
I noticed you have her in one of your songs.
I was listening to your songs. You got good music,
by the way, Yeah, I was checking out your music
before I got on the show, and I love that
you have Abraham Hicks embedded in, you know, chanting in
one of your songs. That's really awesome. And she was
quite amazing, because it still is because she There's many channels,
like I've met dear Uncle who is of course Bashar,
and many others, and I think there's some wonderful channels
out there. I just personally think it's dangerous. There's some
people who may be karmically set up for that. But
I do believe, like doctor Carl Wickland's wife, after thirty
years of taking in disincarnate souls and allowing them to
give their you know, messages and various different things, I
would recommend anybody who read that book. It's called Thirty
Years among the Dead by doctor Carl Wickland. It is
a psychiatrist's absolute documentation, in my opinion, of all these
people disincarnate souls and their stories are astounding. And by
the way, doctor Wickland was the head of the Los
Angeles County Mental Institution from I think nineteen eighteen or
nineteen twenty up until the late thirties or forties, it
might even have been later than that. And he was
really here during the birth of Hollywood, and he had
many stars show up and warn people don't get into drugs,
stay away from alcohol. All these different people would come
through his wife channeling. Well in the very end, she
ended up possessed and insane and they couldn't cure her.
So even though I think a lot of people get
some benefit and validation of the other worlds, it's it's
a dangerous place to be, you know, and I have
great respect for those who can do it and not
get possessed.
Speaker 3: Let's put it that way. I think I think there's
I think there's there's a lot going on too then
than just you know, I'm opening up my mind to
these other spirits. I think that a lot of people
actually put together a little documentary that I did, where
like it almost seems that a lot of these this
information that these some of these channeling channelers are getting
is already within them, like they are are, like it's
it's a part of their psyche that they're not confident
in sharing. But as you have the scapegoat, as Bashar
Bhar will tell you, like it is, I'm I'm a
little I'm I'm you know, kind of withdrawn. I'm not confident.
But as I step into this persona this character that
I've created I can. I can freely receive information in
parts of things that I believe and things like that.
But even even in you going into some type of
a trance state like that, you're able to kind of
even begin to flow, and stuff just kind of moves
like in that flow state as well. So I think
there's a lot of people doing that and calling it
channeling other entities, but it's they're kind of using that
entity as a scapegoat, as a mask, if you will.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I've seen that too. I think we're all
so divinely unique. Every one of us has skill sets
that someone else doesn't have. And you know, I think
one of the things that is so important today more
than ever with AI coming in and technology, and I
think this world, we're seeing the suppression of our own
individualities and the suppression of our own consciousness is the
danger because your unique in your unique ways. Everyone else
is unique in their unique ways, and we're all here
for a special reason. And I think the more we
honor that and respect that in each one of us,
Because there are some people I've met who do channeling,
they're astounding, they're stounding, And you know, I have my
skill sets and I have my limitations. We all do.
And I think one of the things I like doing
in readings to people is pointing out certain things. There's
angels that are on the degree rising, and there's angels
that rule every single degree of the maderial and lunar mansions.
It's very complex, but these have great insights to show
someone where their skills might lie that they didn't even
realize that they had. You know, one of the things
I like about America is you can be anything you want.
I mean, nobody's telling you you can't do something. And
you know, one of the things that kind of bothers
me right now is, you know, we need to maintain
that freedom in this country to where not to get
political or anything, but as long as we can always
maintain that people have a right no matter what their race,
with their creed, what their color, doesn't matter. We're all
just souls having a physical experience, and I think we're
going to find as time goes on, we're all just
going to integrate. And I think if we become more
aware that we are spiritual beings having this physical experience,
the more we can stop looking at education and all
these very lower level programming things, not that education's bad
because I think education is wonderful, but I also think
it limits true innate, spiritual talents we're all born with
and have that you know, could be cultivated. And that's
where astrology really can shine is seeing that, you know,
seeing that seeing your path, or being more open to
the possibilities of your path.
Speaker 3: That's awesome, really good. Well, Jeff, if somebody wanted to
book a session with you, wanted to check out more
of your work, what would be a good place for
them to go.
Speaker 1: Jeff at Jeffharmon dot com. That's h A R M
A N dot com, Jeff at Jeffharmon dot com. And
emails always the best. My wife Camille is amazing with people,
and she handles all the scheduling, which is wonderful, but
it's funny. You know. One last thing I'd like to say,
I've always, you know, had a diverse set of talents.
I've always worked in film and music and audio, and
I used to do forensics work. I used to go
into maximum security prisons and print prisoners, and it's so
I've been so blessed to see this wide verse diversity
of life, and I always wondered, and that's where astrology
always kept with me. I'm like, why does this one
poor individual end up, you know, in this situation, and
another one on them in that one, another one into
this one. And when you start looking at astrology not
as us, but as a lesson we all are here
to learn in a very divine way, it starts making
more sense. And I think the most powerful thing in
the universe is reaction. There's one thing they will never control,
and that is your ability to react to things. You know,
the way we respond to a given situation is everything.
You know, it really is. It's it's our ability to
respond in the appropriate ways that that help us a lot.
Speaker 3: I agree. I think free will is one of the
most holy and precious things that we have. And again
mentioning those other entities, they don't really have it. They're
kind of created to carry out jobs and and things
like that, and and they can't go outside of that,
and so I think a lot of them are jealous
of and when they do, they step out of the
you know, the the order of things, if you will,
and then they get punished in the punishments for them
as well. And and just like us, when we step
out of our duties, and jobs and our push our
limitations to different realms, or whether you talk about some
of this dark magic and trying to create bonds and
get secret information from demons or gin or something like that.
You know, we we fall into trouble many times as well.
So it's that whole hierarchy in order. I'm I'm intrigued
with it, and I've experienced and encountered a bunch just
like you. And it seems like you, uh, you have
a soft spot for the cabalistic way way of thinking.
Is that is that a safe place, h place to
to study?
Speaker 1: Well, I would say of a soft spot for both
the Vedantic and the Cobbalistic and Egyptian and Sheldon. The
reason why is because it's a system that is more
cohesive you can relate to it. I only use those
diagrams because it is is a really cohesive way to
look at something that's so vast and so incomprehensive. I mean,
when you start talking about the possibility of forty nine
parallel universes forty nine subdimensions within each one, I mean
it's mind boggling. And the same thing when you look
at the astral worlds, and it's very interesting because a
lot of very rational psychiatrists. Doctor Edith Fiori. If anyone
wants to read a wonderful book, it's called The Unquiet
Dead by doctor Edith Fiori. You may have heard of it.
Doctor Louise Frye, who just passed away in her nineties.
Wonderful lady was a medical doctor who got sick and
tired of medicating and doing surgeries and said, there's something
else going on here. She became a hypnotherapist. She started
doing regressions and finding out that people were actually possessing
other people. And the reason I leaned most towards the
Vedantic and Cobbalistic and Tibetan stuff is because it's so old,
and it's so structured that you can talk about vast
things like this and easier ways. And it also, nowhere
can you come up with and this will blow your
hair back, the exceedingly complex numerological web of angelic forces
and things that intertie with the Western Bible. Then you
can in the Aramaic and Hebrew ciphers. A lot of
people don't know the Psalms was originally called tahilim, what
still is in Judaism and in Hebrew, but the shimushti
Hilim predates the Bible as we know it. The some
of the psalms can date back to fifteen hundred BC.
Let's do the math here, folks, that's almost four thousand
years ago. It's thirty five hundred years ago, and they
don't know, but that's the best guess from many scholars.
And there are secrets embedded in that where you can
use ciphers, and many people are familiar with this. They're
called the Well. There's many types of ciphers, but the
most common ones used where you rearrange you like an otbash.
Just one that's used the most. That's a liftov bet
and shin, where you literally order the Hebrew alphabet and that,
and you pass a verse or scripture through that. You
will come up with an angelic name or a numerological
equivalent to that. And now, when you get back to
ancient astrology and you forget about pisces and ares and
all this area fairy stuff, you start seeing, oh my god,
there was a matrix that your soul came in on.
That's pretty mind boggling. And it ties into these ancient texts,
particularly in the rabbinical texts where the pouch of the
slingshot is the astral world's souls dwell in until they're
reincarnated or until they peer and move on. They and
Saturn seems to be the escape from Alcatraz planet. And
what's interesting many ufologists say, well, we see all these
crafts coming in and out of there. Well, there's something
coming in and out of there. I can tell you
that I've seen it, and whatever it is, it certainly
seems to be a very divine place here where a
lot of pain, a lot of love, and all points
in between go on to purify and rectify the soul.
And I think the ancient rabbinical texts. There's a library
that was found in the seventeen hundreds that was over
two thousand years old. It was known as the chiro
Genzia Synagogue in Egypt. Blow your hairback, blow. I mean,
I've been pilfering through those things forever. And I mean,
oh my God, talk about journey of the souls. It
is and Rome will not look at it. They throw
everything in the bottom of the ba and you're all
sinners and you're all going to hell, you know. So,
I mean it's not that I think Christianity is the problem.
I just think some of the forefathers throughout critical documents
that you know, blow your hair back.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, have you heard of the recognitions of Clement?
Have you heard of that writing? No? I have not.
That's interesting, it's yeah, really interesting. There's some really cool
parts in there that talk about how demons get access
to a person's body through the digestive system and gorging
oneself and things like that, and wine and stuff, and
so there's some really intricate stuff in there. I think
he was a disciple of Peter and barnabas uh as
it were.
Speaker 1: Well, I know where he got that stuff. I can
tell you that if if you crack into the the
older texts, which is the again Shariah Gilgum, the Nephessa
sits is where a lot of these Christian writers had
gotten that stuff. And they're right, They're absolutely right. You
can get that from plants. This is where blessing of
food came from. See in the Shariha Gilgum, it talks
about how evil souls will be possibly incarnate, and this
will blow your hair back. In the mineral kingdom, the
animal kingdom, or the plant kingdom, or the human kingdom.
There are stories that are mind boggling where a person
will actually get incarnated in some inanimate object in their
consciousness or in a leaf and they'll blow and this
stuff sounds incredible, like how could you possibly put the
consciousness of human being into something like that? And then
when that leaf dies, that is over with. I just
I'll tell you a quick story that just happened to
me that is really amazing. My son went into an
animal shelter about, oh, what was it, probably fift fourteen
years ago, and this beautiful little kitty was going to
be killed and he just looked at it and said,
oh my god. Mom, and Daddy says, can I take
it home? They're going to kill it? And I said, sure,
so bring her home. When we named her Katie, right,
and that was a very unusual cat, and we always
kept her in the house and just the last few
years here in California, we started letting her out and
I said, I'm worried about this cat. She's domesticated. Something's
going to get her because we got a lot of
coyotes where we live. And I was petting her on
the couch about a year ago and she looked up
at me, and I looked into her aura and I
saw this tortured soul inside of her, and I'm patting her,
and I went, oh, my god, someone's in you. I
could see this soul, this human soul. I could see it,
and I actually saw the eyes it through her and
I know what I saw, and I just had such
a change and I thought, Wow, what a tortured soul
inside of her. And then she would be outside. Well,
just about a week ago, our dog got sick. She
she had diarrhye and very gross. Anyways, we had to
clean it up in the bedroom because she sleeps in
the bedroom with us. And outside, I heard Katie, the cat,
making these wild sounds and I let the dog out,
and our dogs started barking like crazy, and I knew
something's not right here, something really. The energy felt really
kind of demonic and strange. And I saw Katie flying
through the air and she grabs onto this tree and
then the dog was barking. It was very weird energy
and I know that's like demonic energy. I could tell.
And that was the last time we ever saw Katie.
And I then saw coyote right underneath the tree outside
the fence, and I think she came down and it
got her, and she's gone. And I actually looked at
a chart the cat's gone, and I think that soul
was released. Now that sounds crazy, but if you look
at some of the ancient Egyptian, Tibet and Vedantic and
rabbinical text, they'll talk about how cats have a very
interesting parallel of imbuing souls at times. That's why cats
have always been said they're mysterious, they're very strange. And
I know Katie and we miss her so much because
I know she was killed and I heard it. I
heard and I couldn't get to her because it was
outside the fence. I heard it, and then God she
died quickly. But death, they actually say, is a purification.
And you know, to those who want to end their
lives early, I would say, do not do that, because
God has a plan for when we are to vacate
this body. And I think it's very important that we
live out our lives and get this releasement because a
lot of evil souls, you know, they may escape the
courts of human beings, but from what I see in astrology,
we're not going to escape the divine court. They actually say,
angels beat the heck out of us when we lie
in front of the celestial court when we're brought there.
And food is to be blessed to release souls, they say,
in salads and meats or whatever else your diet is,
you're supposed to bless the food to release any spiritual
energy that's on it, so it doesn't come in you.
So you know, only thank you God for the food.
You're blessing it to release any energies on it. And
there's you say, I like the cabalistic stuff, and I'll
tell you why. There are rabbinical texts that I have.
They're called unifications and purifications where you can actually unify
fragments of your soul through certain very deep numerological prayers
and permutations. And then there's also what they call unifications
where you can unify with certain angelic forces and saints.
Very fascinating stuff.
Speaker 3: We can talk about that. Yeah, yeah, there's so much
to talk about it. And I think there's you know,
I think we have a lot of pieces of truth,
you know that. I think it's enough for us to
you know that that actually leads us into discovery, to
ask the questions or to try things. I mean, I
can't tell you, I mean how I know it sounds crazy,
but trying to communicate with my animals as well, like hey,
are you a person? Just want to know, like if
you are you you know, cognitive, do you remember English?
Like all of these things. And then even like I
had one dog who man, she was the cutest little
puppy and uh we uh uh she had a she
was vicious though, cutest little dog, but vicious. I mean
she would just attack other animals. Her name was Casey
and we called her Katie. That's interesting, you said, But
I remember, like because she had this anger that she
was just attacked, man, And I remember burning sage around her,
and she like she did not like it, like she
would panic, but the other dogs would be okay. But
I would hold the sage close to her and try
to like pray over her or see if they it
was a demon that needed to come out, because she
was the cutest little animal. And but yeah, it just
you know, makes you ask the bigger questions and just
to try it, like you never know, you feel silly
doing it, you know, but what if you know, I
think like Jesus, like spinning in the ground and making
the mud and putting in somebody's eyes, like seems silly,
right if one of our friends did that, But what
if the person gets healed after he does it, Like,
hold on, there's some kind of alchemy. He knew something,
there was some kind of connection with his faith with
that mud, or something was going on that he understood.
And so if you don't try it, if you don't
step out after having these experiences, whether it's the UFO
or ghost or ancestors or anything like that, it'll just
be something that's fleeting. But I think it goes to
show someone like yourself, someone like me and many others
who I would say have been privileged to have many
experiences versus some people who haven't had any in their
entire life, at least they're not cognitive of it. But
how can some people not have any? And then we
go on to have like every day is a magical
experience and expectancy of entities and angels and aliens and
UFOs and those things. And so I think that just
taking that step out, you know, to say hello, or
to try to find that repeatability, if you will, with
the different realms that we're in contact with throughout the day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we all have them. I think it's
just a matter of being open to them. You know,
I mentioned doctor Carl Wickland. He absolutely did not believe
in anything spiritual. Here's a died in the world psychiatrist.
In order to be psychiatrists, you first have to be
a medical doctor. And then after he became a medical doctor,
he went, you know, into psychiatry. And during his internship,
he said, they were doing dissection on cadavers and there's
all kinds of paranormal things like the papers would blow
eat her voices of the person's spirit that was next
to the body they were working on. And he just
pooh poohed that that stuff's nonsense. Right, And so doctor
Carl Wickland moved to Los Angeles, I think this is
nineteen eighteen, don't quote me, it's in the book, and
talk about psychics and spirit and channels. As fate would
have it, he went to a party and met this
beautiful woman, became smitten with her and wanted to marry her. Right, well,
here's a guy who didn't believe in anything spiritual, nothing
out of the norm. And what is she She's a channel,
She's a spiritual psychic channel, and apparently because of his
love for her and he respected, you know that she
was very intelligent, he later undertook a very detailed scientific
analysis as to whether she was crazy or not. And
this is all in the book. And I'm paraphrasing, of course,
so if I'm not one hundred percent accurate, anyone could
get the book and read it. And the story was
he had I've got to remember this is the late teens,
early twenties. This is before recording, you know, this is
back you know when you had the dictaphone just coming
in from Thomas Edison, you know. So he apparently he
had someone taking shorthand or something. It's in the book.
And what happened was his wife took in a spirit
who looked at doctor Carl Wickland. And by the way,
I didn't mention this. Doctor Carl Wickland is the guy
who popularized shock therapy treatment, which is being used to
this day. Some hideous stuff, right, Why did they use
shock therapy treatment? Well, when people get schizophrenic or they
get multiple personality disorder, there when they shock them, it
somehow changes it. Well, here's why. It drives out the
possessing entity and oftentimes they are disincarnate souls rather than monics,
and which we would call dead people or ghosts. Right. Well,
so here's here's the way this all came about. This book.
Doctor Carl Wickland is listening and this person in his
wife's body said, you're the one who's been shocking me
with that body. And he says, well, what do you mean?
And the person says, well, don't you remember you You
came out with these probes and you were hitting me
with this lightning. And then the person began to describe
in grave detail all the things that went wrong. I
guess something really went wrong and things were knocked over,
and the person went crazy and he said, there's no
way you could know this, all these details and what
I said to you unless you were there. And the
person says, well, of course I was there. And he says,
by any chance, do you wear a wedding ring and
a dress? And he looked down and he said no.
He says, but oh my god, you're right, I'm controlling
someone who has a wedding ring and a dress. He says, well,
apparently you're dead as people know it, and you're possessing
my wife's body. And the guy said well, that makes
sense because nobody listens to me anymore. And I apparently
he was owned a drug store and all his employees
couldn't hear him anymore because he was a ghost. He
was literally running around trying to talk to people. A
lot of folks don't even know they're dead from many
of these reports. And I find the same thing when
I do clearing on properties and people. A lot of
these I've seen literally people from four hundred years ago
still dwelling on properties that they don't even know they're dead.
They're guarding the place. You know, They're just in their
own psychoanoetic dimension, if you will, If anybody wants to
read about some of this stuff. One of my favorite books.
Have you ever heard of The Magus of Stroblos?
Speaker 3: I have not.
Speaker 1: It's an amazing text. He's a Christian mystic who lived
on the island of Cyprus. He lived in the city
of Strobolos, and I encourage anyone to read that book
if anyone wants to question whether or not we're spiritual
beings having a physical experience, and that book will blow
your hairbag. The truths in that will blow your hairback.
It's one of my favorite texts commend he's now gone.
He died in two thousand and one, but his work
is carried on by many. But he was amazing, and
he back to doctor Carl Wicklan. He talked about how
the person in his wife's body, you know, no one
could hear him. And he then saw his mother who
had died like forty fifty years earlier, and he said,
oh my god, there's my mom. And so in dialogue,
the doctor got this disincarnate soul to leave his wife's
body and go off into the light. And here's what's
the clincher. The patient in the PS psychiatric ward in
Los Angeles cleared up, no more multiple personality disorder, no
more psychotic reactions. And he ended up discharging a very
short time afterwards. And that was the beginning of thirty
years of research among disincarnate souls through his wife channeling.
And I encourage anyone to read that because it is
an amazingly well written texts that went out of print
I think in the seventies and now it's back in print.
It's uh. I've talked to many psychiatrists. I have a
lot of clients who are in psychiatchiatry and psychology in prisons,
and we discussed things in data ch astrology and other
types about cycles and why certain souls are doing what
they're doing, and very fascinating stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I'm into.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I approach it from the Christian mystic or Hebrew perspective
as well. And so when I first started out, I
got into summoning spirits and all types of different magic.
I was combining a bunch and ended up getting possessed,
if you will, and almost lost my mind and things
like that. And this was back That's what happens that
I ended up coming back home and like crying out
to God for help, and it was through church and
prayer and Jesus and things like that I was able
to find solace. And so there's a right way and
the wrong way to dance with the other realms. We're
I think we are dancing with them, whether we know
it or not. Right, some people are just victims and
other people are victors. When it comes to it, I
think it comes down to whether you know it or
not plays a big role. So then you can learn
maybe some of the rules of engagement astrology, right, some
of the ancient texts and demons and how they operate, angels,
all of that. So that's where it comes in for
me and many other people who are intrigued. But there
is a right way and the wrong way to do it,
and possession is very real, you know, and very real.
Speaker 1: Oh that's an interesting background you've got.
Speaker 3: There, trying to help people navigate through this, Like you
don't want to just do the Christian approach and just
say don't mess with anything at all. It's all demonics,
stay away from it, because it's not like it's our birthright.
We are these spiritual beings, but it's about you know,
I don't want to stifle exploration, but we have to
use precaution in things as well.
Speaker 1: Well. That's an interesting topic you bring up there, because
I was exposed to some really rural folks back in
the eighties and I was warned angelically not to get
involved with it, and they were approaching me. We've all
been around these cults, these different things, and I also
was working and I don't want to mention any names
or sex or religions that I've studied and been around,
and I've always been warned stay at a distance, look
from the distance, don't get in there. But look and see.
And I was like prying the lid back and looking
in and studying some of their documents and texts, but
not getting engaged. One of the things that is exceedingly dangerous,
like a nocchi and magic, the Keys of Solomon, the
Lesser Greater Keys, all these the Golden Dawn, Golden Dawn
everyone knows about. Of course, as we know, the Golden
Dawn was really created by a e. Wait and Mathers
and I think one other individual finding a bunch of
books in a bookstall in London. That's how the Golden
Non came about in the eighteen hundreds. And everybody thinks, oh,
they were all these great mystics. Well they might have been,
but they stumbled onto these documents and texts, which interestingly enough,
was from a lady out of Germany. Now go back
to Hitler, go back to Germany and all the occult
stuff that's gone on there. Germany's a very interesting little place.
I mean, it's created two World wars, but a cult wise,
let's take Luther. Let's just take the Christian religion. Do
you ever hear the City of Worms in Germany? It's
an amazing little city. That's where Luther was tried for
hear see there the Romans sent a brigade of Roman
soldiers and killed every man, woman and child by the sword,
take them out because they believed that Jesus was the
son of God rather than God. That's been pretty harsh
treatment there. So when we look at the dogma that
has been inflicted upon different societies, I mean, the same
thing happened in Spain with the expulsion of the Jews,
with the whole thing. So we look back in history,
this is strong arm stuff, just like we're seeing now,
this strong arming on political sides. And I don't want
to get into politics and who's right and who's wrong,
but this is the astrology showing this right now that
we are at a critical crisis point of change in
many of the dogmas in society. And this is why
we're seeing this clash here between many different factions around
the world, not just in the United States. And what's
fascinating is Germany was so full of occult stuff that
in magic. See, one of my favorite guys was Rabbi Maharel.
He lived in the thirteen hundreds and many people will
know him by the text The Sacred Magic of Abramel
and the Age. I'm sure you've heard of that, right, Yeah, yeah,
very very fascinating text. But those texts are are astounding.
And this is all about getting your guardian angel to
come to you. And uh, you know this, this is deep,
deep stuff, very dangerous stuff when people go down these paths.
And thank God, literally we are protected by the angelic forces,
so we wouldn't be drawing breath, nothing would exist.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's almost. What what I found is that these entities,
you know, they will exchange information and power and things
like that, renown but in exchange for something, right, there's
always something that you have to pay, right, it's a
whether it's a blood covenant, blood sacrifice or something, or
even like a trinket like I just I wear this
ring because not so now that entity has a physical
representation in the physical world through you. But what I've
seen for the most part is they want to live
within your psyche, they want to live within the mind
and so causes.
Speaker 1: They want to suck off your energy things like that.
Speaker 3: So it never it never ends, well, especially when there's
a clever way to do it, like to receive higher information,
beautiful clean information, right, I do think that that's possible
as well from the angelic, from the uh not having
to you know, deal with the lower level entities which
are so easily accessible. It seems like it seems like
that you have to have a lifestyle of things that
you can and cannot do to access the higher realms.
Whether it's lying, cheating, stealing, debauchery, murder, drunkenness and things
like that that are all attached to the lower level
entities and things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they do. They influence a lot of this.
I've had that discussion with psychiatrists and prisons where you know,
we've literally said, you know, there's possession going on here,
and you know they can't enter that into the secular
left brain world of psychiatry. You know, you can't put
in a report while we think this person is best.
But I mean, Charles Manson was a perfect example. I
factually I knew one of the Federal Asians that had
worked on that. He was quite old, and in fact
I met him up in Majave Motorcycling here about five
years ago or no Pismo Beach, and he was saying,
he said, Jeff, I've been in that cell. He said
that dude is possessed. He said, there you can feel it,
and this is the danger of the occult. And this
is where I think a lot of religions are correct
that if you stick to God, and I really believe
one central thing, there is one God, you know, and
all of the rest is subservient angelic forces. And the
story of the demonic fall really seems to be true.
And it seems to be that our souls got intertwined
with portions and fragments of this, and that's the purpose
of Earth is to repurify that. You know. There's many
theories and this is so deep stuff I don't claim,
and no one I've ever heard has had the direct answer.
But my theory at this point is that this particular
three dimensional five cents reality, even though it's many more
dimensions than three, is a place where we get to
come experience the egoic sense of free will, and then
come back. There's an ancient story that I love where
the angels, the upper angels, and the thrones were talking
to God and they said, what the heck did you?
Why do you support these humans? You know, it's only
do they go down there, they kill each other. They
don't believe in creation. They don't even know we exist.
They're just horrible and why do you support this? And
God said yes. But they come back. They come back,
They come back with the experience of what evil is
and what the other side is, and they become more
holy because of it. Now, some souls get lost, they
actually say a lot of souls. That is. The prize
of a demon is to get a soul to go
into deep magic sacrifices, and you can actually lose the soul.
You know, one of my favorite little texts anybody can
read this, it's called the screw Tape Letters by the
wonderful writer C. S. Lewis, who wrote you know, Narnia,
and C. S. Lewis was really into astrology and in
the right way. He looked at it for what it is.
It's just the path of the soul. And in the
Screwtape Letters there's a great story about this little demon. Uncle,
one of my human subjects has just joined the religion
and I don't know what to do. We could lose
them to the enemy. Ah, I don't worry about a thing,
my friend. We've taken good care of the religions. We've
neuted it all. We've possessed those that were in control,
and all these little books that someone come bustling up
is really about us. But nobody can really figure out anymore.
And so don't worry about the religion. They all sit
in the pews, and notice how they're hypocritical on you know,
the rest of the week, and then they come in
and act all holy and now on Sunday, and you
treat each other like crap the rest of the week.
So it's a really it's a book written in satire.
But what I love is the opening. He says, I
cannot tell you where this book came from. I cannot
tell you his factor fiction. Just read the book and
understand where it goes. And I always, I always enjoyed
that book. It's a great book.
Speaker 3: There's a there's a Christian writing, and I'm pretty pretty
sure it came from that. I don't know if you've
ever read it, though, but it's a It's a book
called The Final Quest by Rick Joyner. Have you heard
of that.
Speaker 1: I've heard of it, but I have not read it.
Speaker 3: Very so many books, yeah, yeah, yeah, very similar with
the uh looking at the demonic chords and how they
interact with humanity. But it's written as a just a
work of just analogy and metaphor of the spirit world
and how it's happening. But he I'm pretty sure it
was a I want to say, a rip off, but
it was definitely influenced by by the Screwtape letters and
I still have and read that. I need to read that.
That's what I'm doing here.
Speaker 1: Get the Magas of Strugglers. You you will absolutely adore
that book.
Speaker 3: It's it is everybody mentioned and I don't know why
I haven't read it yet, so I'm going to get
it probably right when we get off of here. That's
one thing that You've definitely blessed us with on this
There's a lot of different reference points and I'm writing
down some for myself, some of these different cabalistic texts
to check out and stuff as well. That's what a
lot of people get a gym of something that resonated
with them through something that you said, especially when we
cover so many topics like we do on here, something
that they're like, hey, what is that book? Let me
check that out, or let me check out astrology or
vedic astrology. I mean, how many people don't that are listening,
didn't even know that that was an actual thing. We
like most of us, just think that there's only one
form of astrology, stay away from it, and that's it.
You knows all types of different astrologies and levels and
all of that stuff too. So yeah, so much to
choose from. Again, Man, hey, I really enjoyed this. Anytime
you want to out with me, man, I'm over to
it and I'll send you a.
Speaker 1: Well you're you're a good soul, no question about that.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed it, and I.
Speaker 1: Think it's great you're doing the work you're doing. I mean,
and I think I think your message. I love your
story about how you played with magic and you got
possessed every single every single client.
Speaker 3: And I've had.
Speaker 1: Clients who've been in some really dark places in vedic astrology.
Blow your here back. I'll never forget. Well. I don't
want to mention too much on air, but I had
one client come in to in particular. I said, oh
my god, I said, what happened to you right at
this time? Tears would poor? You wouldn't believe it, I said,
try me, I might. Now, how would I know that? Okay,
it's not my genius, it's vedic astrology. And it takes
years to learn this, but this person was in a horrible,
horrible dawsha with horrible aspects. So this God isn't sitting
in the sky making you or me tall or short
of fat and intelligent, you know whatever, loving or hateful.
It's our souls that do it. And the astrology mirrors that. Well.
This person was actually involved in a Satanic sacrifice and
I saw it in the chart and the tears were pouring.
She was actually impregnated and she had the child and
was forced to sacrifice it. I've seen this now two
or three times now. This stuff is hideous. But when
you speak about demons and magic and the dangers of this,
this is where this stuff goes. And people have to
know this where and all these stories that we hear
on the internet about you know, the Pizzagate and all
this stuff. I hate to say it, and I wish
I were wrong, but I think it's true. And this
is the hideous dark paths that happen when people play
around with magic, and just like yourself, you, whatever your
belief in God is, it can save you. And I
urge people to not go down that path. I've had
so many clients who there's prayers that I give out
in readings when I see these yogas to help people
not only purify their own karmic journey, but their families.
And I'm not just talking mom and Dad and Grappa
and Grandma. I'm talking about your family of soul lineage,
which is really sacred stuff, and it involves a lot
of these secrets in the scriptures and the psalms. And
it's true you mentioned the christ energies. I mean, if
we could ever get to the bottom of what really
happened there, I mean, that's why I urge you to
read The Magasin of Struggles. You'll see just how mystical
and sacredly magic this stuff. Is it true sacred holy magic.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, they were some deep individuals, Tolkien and C. S. Lewis,
Like they all learned from the mystics of old and
like they were into some deep stuff like they I
think they really understood. And so a lot of the
people that you know, I'm influenced by some of the
Jordan Maxwell's or the Michael Serien which and those kind
of guys. They're definitely influenced by the Tolkiens and the C.
S Lewis and those guys. So they were onto some
stuff man, especially, you know, but being able to tell
it in a story like that, like if you was
just to tell like sit down and hey, we're being
attacked by demons right now, Like people gonna think you're crazy.
But then you put it in a movie. You're talking
about the technology and what we have right now, and
it would be hard for us to fathom. Just watch
Star Wars. Just watch Star Wars and we you know
what I'm saying, So we have that stuff, that technology,
even them Like communing with the dead in Star Wars.
That was a big one for me. Like there was
a part and I forgot what episode it was. But
at the end, Yoda was going to teach who is this,
uh the disciple of Qui Gon who was it Obi Wan?
They're walking off into the sunset, and he said, come
with me. I got to show you some stuff. I
want to show you how to commune with your master
who is who's gone on to the other side. He's
like Qui God. He's like, yeah, I'm gonna teach you
how to do it. And so like that's something that
was practice all throughout religion and I'm even finding things
in the in the scriptures, in a New Testament, where
Jesus did similar things with his masters and stuff of
things that were echoed. And it's in our art, in literature. Obviously,
it's not in religion anymore. That's heresy to speak of
that in the in the churches now, but it's within
the movies, and it's within a lot of these ancient
texts like you're talking about.
Speaker 1: Sure, Sure, I have a client. He wrote a book
that is the Missing Years of Christ that they believe
could possibly have been in India and paralleling. That's why
the Magas of Struggles you'll find so interesting to people
who read it. He's nicknamed Doscolos. Doscalos just means Greece.
It's the Grecian name for teacher, and he is. When
you read Doscolos, he's a Christian mystic, clearly, but he
also speaks with great reverence to all the other religions.
And he said a term that I believe is very correct.
He said, trying to figure out God is like trying
to figure out a multifaceted diamond. You won't, you will not.
In fact, the more I learn about all this stuff,
the more humble I get, and the more I realize
that we're with these things called gray matter. You will
never figure it out from an intellectually deductive reasoning standpoint.
You will never figure it all out. From a spiritual one.
You can receive how divine and vast it is. And
wisdom is much different than logic. You know, logic, we're
all trained to get a job and get a degree
and follow all the rules, which is all great. But
wisdom is another portion of the psyche and the consciousness
that is much much different than deductive reasoning and logic.
And I think that's again what many of the ancients,
particularly the bat and India, talked about Muksha was enlightenment.
This is maybe many of the references that we see
in Rabbinical texts and Christian texts is the world's beyond
is where we commune and know, where the higher self
is much broader than the lower intellectual mind will ever be.
We can never go there in an intellectual sense. It
always ends up in ego, and it will always end
up in some logical deduction of what it is, what
does it mean? And you know, all of us are
seeking the truth. And I think when we look at
it from that viewpoint. It's a much safer place to go.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I like how you mentioned the diamond. I got
a good friend of mine. Every time we do a
live with him, he pulls out the diamond. He's got
this deep breakdown of how we're all facets of that
diamond and the color and the shape and the reflection,
and we can't see the other side unless we go
to that perspective, but then we're missing all the other sides.
So I think the diamond is definitely a beautiful perspective
of our individuality and our own perspective of the one. Like,
we're all still part of that diamond, but with these
different reflections, And so is your religion, so so is
your experience or your faith or whatever the case is.
Especially you're never gonna you're never gonna get to the
bottom of it, like you said, But I think that
I think that the bottom of it is love, though,
is universal love. I think that's like, that's the worldview
of responding with love, of answering with love to everything,
to all, to the people that wronged you, to to
your God, to your former self, to your childhood, to
the trauma, embracing the future with love and expectancy and
childlike faith. So I think that that that's at least
some of the rules of engagement. And once you understand
that love is what leads you and gives you grace
to look into some of the deeper truths and mysteries
and uh, and not to look down on anything or
anyone else because that's their perspective or story. I think that, Uh.
I think that opens you up to have more beautiful encounters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, stoicism comes to mind. You know a lot of
the really deep sacred places. I don't care if you're
talking about the monks, or the Tibetans, or the Egyptians
or the you know, certain classes, they certain groups they
would talk about stoicism where you know, when you negate
the ego to where you're not so reactive. Like if
you ask someone, well, how do you feel when someone
hates you and calls you names and it's mean to you. Well,
nobody likes that, right. How do you feel when someone
praises you and tells you you're just so wonderful? Well,
everybody loves that one. Right, Pet's the ego. But stop
for a second and just think, like an airline pilot,
if you were fifty thousand feet above watching all of this,
and you kind of raise your consciousness in that vibration
and you say, well, Okay, someone hates you, someone loves you,
what does that really mean. That's their opinion of their
ego extensive self at that time, and not that we
should all run around and be zombies or not be emotional,
because emotions are magical and they're wonderful and we have
a right to that. But I think when we stop
becoming so engaged in our egoic sense of self, we
bind with the upper levels of the soul. And that's
what they're speaking about. And see, if you read the
Magasu struggle, it's one of the most important things is elementals,
the third eye chakra. We look at people when we
look at them, but what we're really doing is projecting
out of the third eye etheric energy. Those are literally
thought for energies. If you've ever seen doctor Emoto's work,
you know, the Japanese scientist who messages in water. Yeah, yeah,
exactly amazing.
Speaker 3: So what did he do?
Speaker 1: He had people pray over water and take a Petri
disk and he would, you know, freeze it. And to
the skeptics, I say, well, how could he have come
up with so many so diverse? All sacred thoughts had
varying shapes of sacred geometry, Worry, anger, feared, discord always
looks like gobbledegook. And you know, just for anybody who
hasn't seen, let me just take a second. I actually
have a picture of a couple of his things that
I love to show people. You'll see here this is
it right being wrong there, So again here's an example.
And for anybody's interested, get you know, messages and water? Well,
what am I talking about here? Well, we emit out
of our third eye chakra elementals known as etheric energy.
Do you ever notice when someone's really really mad, that's
what they call the evil eye? Right, you're projecting very
angry elementals at someone, even though you don't know it.
In fact, our oric field, this is a whole subject
called physiogomy in the medieval times, which is, you know,
you look at a person, you can see what they're like.
You can detect right away before they open their mouths
a lot of what they're like. Though sometimes we can
be wrong. You can't always judge a book by its caver,
but in general you can see that they're stressed or
they've lived a life of bliss or happiness or stress
or anger. It shows up. I mean you can see
it on people and are heavy drinkers and smokers especially.
Not only is it the physical, but it's also the
energy that they permeated. So what's so fascinating is that
when I go into this, it's basically we project what
our lower egoic self believes. And this is why the
conscious mind is such a powerful tool. And I think
the more we realize that, the more we can direct
it to healthier ways of being conscious. You know what
I'm saying. The Megas of Crevelos is a wonderful book,
and those elementals there's an old saying, stiff necked in
this world, you will be in the next. It's amazing
how much we take with us through these incarnations. What
we believe belief is a very interesting word. You know.
We tend to believe what we believe based on deductive reasoning,
but that's not truth and that's not true wisdom.
Speaker 3: You know, what do you think about Blavotsky's work on
the elementals or just her work in general, But I
think I think the elemental stuff is really interesting that
she brought to the table.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Blavotsky went that whole movement, started the spiritualist movement
in the eighteen hundreds, excuse me, and she went over
to India. I think a lot of her work was
regurgitated from what she picked up from many of the
yogi's there's a lot of truth to it. But I
also Leavotsky's work, I have it all. It kind of
left me a little cold. It's like there was too
much ego in it. And she actually came back. Believe
it or not, Doctor Kyl Wickland channeled her with his wife.
She came back and she admitted a lot of what
was given out was accurate, but it was regurgitated that
that she she felt that there was too much ego
in it. And but there are a lot of truths.
I mean, what's great about Blevatski's work is it's something
you can pick up and read. But I urge people
to read The Magus of Strolos because it is a
profound the profound work. And another one if you go
to stoas series dot com it's s t o A
e R series. Just STOA s t o A and
then series. You can get the book words of truth,
which in fact, people can google Dosclos on the internet.
You can. He's a little hard to understand because he's
very Grecian, so his English is a bit broken. But
the wisdom that comes through that man is astounding. That is,
you know that Doscolos, the Magus of Solos, is the
only written text I've ever seen where he had re
He reincarnated as a child and actually met Christ.
Speaker 3: That's in that text.
Speaker 1: It'll blow your hair back. And he was actually taken
by him when he died of gangrene. A Roman soldier
stamped on his foot and he got gangreen. As he
went back home, he said there was earthquakes. So it's interesting.
You know a lot of people ridicule the Christian myth.
I personally think it happened.
Speaker 3: I really do.
Speaker 1: And what I'm sad about is how twisted and blocked
the Church did. What they did to a lot of
the documents and the connectedness between the older texts of
the Torah of the ancient world. They just chopped it
and made it a very politicized, changed religion. Hence why
we've seen so many versions. We've seen the same thing
in Judaism and other religions and Hinduism. People get a
hold of these truths, they make them so dogmatic that
then someone breaks off like Buddha or you take Luther,
or you take you know, so many others that had
broken offrom the Christian religion and so many others in Judaism,
the same thing happened. You have the Hasidics, you have
the Stoics, you have the you know, the Orthodox, and
yet there's core truths in every one of them that
are magical.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And I think with the Internet now and online
communities and groups like that, and you can literally either
pick and choose or piece together your own faith or
religion now because just by doing the research, and what
I mean by that is taking the good stuff from
every religion and just there, you know, getting rid of
all the bs, and I think we can make a
really cool religion we put all the good stuff together. Right.
So there's a lot of people doing that, and a
lot of people waking up and using the Internet to
kind of break away from some of the more traditional
Christian westernized understandings and looking back to the East. There's
a lot of Christians now looking to the East. They're
looking at Hinduism, and even kind of using that as
a filter to read the Bible even right of this
h you know, we talked about mountains and things like that.
You know, why was Jesus infatuated with going into a
mountain to prey and going on top of a mountain
to prey? Right where there's types of energies there that's
higher frequencies. And then we look at you know, some
people who may be Buddhist or Hindu, they literally go
into a mountain or to a cave and or on
top of a mountain what you know, in like the
Himalayas to meditate and praise. So we're seeing all these
different similarities within the Biblical text, and then it becomes
a little bit more spiritual for us because we have
some ways to interpret this through a Eastern lens versus
this westernized religion that we've all been kind of entrapped
into with Christianity anyway.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, George Carlin might have might not have been
too far off base when he said the best thing
that come out of the religions was the music, right,
But there's a lot of t Yeah, I mean great
respect for certain ones that don't get too dogmatic. I
love the Again, some of the richness in the messages
of souls and the old rabbinical texts are pretty profound.
They really are. You cannot make this stuff up, and
it's supported by the angelic hierarchies that actually can be
extrapolated into the heavens, the astrology, the souls, the journeys
of the souls, and you start seeing what astrology is
and what it isn't you know a lot of people
find in readings that you know, I'm actually telling them
that you're not your astrology, and they're very surprised at that.
I'm like, no, you free will You know, astrology doesn't
make you do anything. It influences you. And it's really
wonderful to look at what those influences are because here's
here's the magic right here, the sacred magic, and that
is if you understand that you have molific times or
transits going on, and you react to those in a
more conscious way, you're likely to do a lot better
than had you not known they were there. You know,
there's a reason the pope takes a bath and a bathtub.
Throughout history, they've busted popes constantly studying, especially the ancient
ones assiduously the ancient Egyptian and medieval astrology and Greek stuff,
and they buried it. They really have. I mean, come on,
they've got so much esoteric stuff involved with that. And
what I like about the Rabbinical texts is it puts
astrology in a clear place that it's really the interaction
of the energies of the angelic forces on the soul.
And the Vedantic does that as well too, the ancient
Vedic scriptures. You really begin to see that we're really
sojourners on a journey, and that when we view it
that way, it's it's a lot healthier.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I uh, man, so many questions and comments that
I'm forgetting them all. I usually try to write them
all down, but I got my notepad all filled up.
But there's so many good places to go with that.
But man, but I'm I'm with you, and uh and
that that's what my heart is, you know, the the
Hebrew and and and I think we have pieces of
that throughout our Christian literature. But like you said, going
to see where they got some of this from. I mean,
I'm really I love the Testament of Solomon. I don't
know if you now I do like that one, not
the Keys of Solomon. I'm with you, stay away, but yeah,
I'm with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got a lot of stuff on him.
Speaker 3: And uh yeah, just hearing the story. Like even in
the Bible, there's mention of these different uh deities, whether
it's bels Above and things like that that you only
here mentioned once in the scripture, but going into Testament
of Solomon or some of these other he break books
that were taken out or once had and high regard,
you know, going back and reading though to see where
the influence came from the Book of Enoch even you know.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, heavy duty stuff. Yeah, I mean you can
get weighed on the rabbit hole on that one.
Speaker 3: Like you take.
Speaker 1: Everyone's heard, like you know, most most people we see,
you know, they got a suit, tie and a microphone
and they're talking about the devil right. Well, the you know,
it gets a little deeper in that, folks. You got Lucifer, Satan,
belile On, Leviathan. There, that's the four what they call
princes of the fourth hierarchy that was cast down. Then
you have eight beneath that, and you have legions upon
legions upon legions upon legions of them underneath that, and
I mean they say the terrestrial spirits, it's uncomfortable. It
could be trillions, and thank God, literally the upper angels
are there holding all this in a bance. It's you know,
one of my friends, Claude Swanson, who wrote a book,
a couple of books. One is called the Synchronized Universe,
and he just takes it from a very left brain
physics perspective and views the probability of the order of
just physical matter is impossible to stay in its order
like it does without something exceedingly intelligent and maintaining it. Well,
when you get into this stuff, you go, well, you bet,
I mean, look at I mean, these angelic forces are
amazingly powerful, and that's why the Earth. I don't think
the Earth will ever end, you know, like it might.
What do I know? But from what I can see,
the next real cataclysmic like cataclysm would be somewhere very
close when we process into the next true age of
Aquarius in the Maderial zodiac, which is going to be
about when the Hebrew calendar runs out, which is about
two hundred and something years from now. So I don't
think it's right around the corner. Yes, we're going to
have dissension and war and all the political stuff that
we have and all that, and we could certainly end
up with another major war. I hope we don't. I
hope we never do. But these things come and go
and a lot of souls get exchanged on that. But
it keeps on going on.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: My mother had a little device that was really cool
when I was a kid. It was called a rock tumbler.
And she would take all these jagged rocks and she
would throw it in this little tumbler, and then she'd
put a bunch of grid in there, and she'd fill
it up with the water, and she'd put it on
this little roller, and the rocks would roll around for
about two weeks, and then he'd come back two weeks later,
and all the rocks were polished. Well, let's I.
Speaker 3: Oh you there, I seem to have lost your brother. Yeah,
let me know, ify'a can still hear me in chat
if we're disconnected or something? Are you there? Jeff? It's
not its computer restarted again? He was having computer troubles.
Can y'all still hear me? Though? Let me know so
much information, so much information, shout out to everybody hanging
out with us. In chat, Chris Gardner says, we hear you.
Somebody else says, yeah, yeah, hear me. Cool cool man.
So many gems in this episode, and so I'm writing
down stuff. Graspers of the aura or grasper of the ara.
That's an interesting term that sounds like a truth seeker song,
don't it. It might be I might have to use
that one. These different terms and things that you know,
get brought up that everybody's different. There's some people, I
mean most people listening to stuff like this, and there's
one thing that they take away other people the whole
time that mind's are blown. You can let your mind
be blown, but try to take something away. Reading here
in the chat, Marque says, my mind is blown away.
That's what I just said. Synchronicity. Synchronicity is are always
up with the chat. But you can let your mind
be blown, or you can grab something and take it.
Grab something and take it like whatever it is, because
there's a lot take one thing. If you're a og
like the homie Chris Garner and Chat, you'll take a
bunch of things and apply it. You'll take a bunch
of things and break it open like a fortune cookie.
And get the fortune out of it. You'll look at
a little bit closer, but just take one thing, almost
like a lucid dream, you know, almost like a deep
state of meditation with the higher self. Like so much
stuff is coming at you, ayahuasca trip, you know, peyote,
you know psilocybin. You know, you can just keep name
in medicines. There's so much stuff that comes. And it's
a cool experience because you come back like what the
heck was that? Literally, what the hell? What's going on?
What is this? But if you can take one thing
out of that dream, if you can take one thing
out of that astral projection, that sacred plant journey, one
thing and apply it to your life, Listen, you and
og because I think the more that you do it,
you get better at taking more things. But you know,
even with we're saying, what the heck is this, just
looking at these tithes that that whole thing is manna.
That's what the word man means in the Bible.
Speaker 1: What is this?
Speaker 3: What the heck is this? There's this stuff that we're
being fed, these wafers of whatever this is. I don't
know what it is? What is this? Every morning it
was manna. But one of the rules of mana you
don't know what it is, but one of the rules
is that you can only take as much for that day.
You only could take as much as you need it
for the day, because every day you had to keep
coming back to eat of the bread of life, if
you will. And so again in the dream states in
a podcast and information and dialect and wisdom and knowledge
and all of this stuff. What is this? What are
you talking about? How many times are there concepts that
you've heard many times over many time and time again,
but it just didn't click. It didn't click until it
all clicked, until it made sense until like even for me,
what I do. There's a lot of people who would
tune into something like this and they make fun, like
from the religious perspective, they make fun of it or whatever,
blah blah blah blah, until hey, man, I need to
talk to you. Man this I'm experiencing some things that
I don't know who to talk to. Hey, glad you
uh glad, you hit me up. You know, to make
sense of what it is, to understand what it is.
But if you don't ask the questions, you'll never receive
the answers, and so to be one that just kicks
out all new information that comes to you. That's a
form of cognitive dissonance, thinking that you have it all
figured out. You know, we don't in it, and it's here,
a little there, a little for I mean, this is
so even I, you know, if I could, if even me,
as you know, the one who's leading this conversationation or
leading this podcast, anyway of just to take one of
those things. And I wrote down many you might you
might hear a song titled Graspers of the Aura. I
just think that's a I never heard that term. I'm
gonna look it up. I'm gonna look into it. I'm
gonna read on it, see what it is. And I'm
articulated because it's something that stood out to me. Put
it in a song, you know what I'm saying, teach it.
But there's so much of the magnus of storm storm Melos.
I'm gonna look it up. Not I'm sorry, not magic magnets,
the magnets of Stormos. I'm looking it up, screwtape letters.
I'm looking it up. Even though I've heard that so
many times, but I've never it's kind of it's kind
of appalling that I haven't read that yet because it's
definitely one of the mystical writings that for many it's
it's like a it's like an elementary writing many people.
I think books like that have gotten people into mysticism.
Books like that have gotten people into spirituality and asking
the bigger questions because it's something that resonates for them.
I think, you know, me paying it forward in a
plug my book, spirit Realm has been something that ties
a lot of loose ends and then it leaves people
even with a lot more more questions when it comes
to things like that. But it's about fostering too and
catering to that desire within you to want to know,
to ignite that flame that when to fan the flame
within you, as the Bible says. And so there's many
different things that we do that. And that's one of
the things that I tell people. They're like, look, I
want to be spiritual, I want to I want to learn,
I want to grow deeper. Like what do I do?
And I'm just a simple formula meditate, read spiritual material,
and listen to spiritual music. And you know, I do
all of those things and I teach all of those things,
and I lead those things. But that's what helps you
stir up the awe and wonder. And I think that
our spirituality and all of these materials and the sepher
Wrath and all of these things stirs up intrigue. It's
not to be lost in any of those things. It's
not to be confused in any of those things, but
just taking what you need for the day, because it's like,
what is this You don't understand. It's the manner take
what you need for today.
Speaker 1: What is it?
Speaker 3: There's something in a podcast like this again two and
a half hours now that we've been talking about so much,
that there's something that that you can apply. And again
for many of you, there's multiple things that you can
fly apply and Chris Garner and Chat says too many
things sometimes so so it's Dave Vulkner, shout out to Dave,
love you, bro to you. When Chat he says, uh
Magnuson of stormolos m A g n U s O
n Magnuson of s t r O v O l
O s strovlos. So you know, books, reading, meditating, praying,
listening to music. When I say meditating, that's like really,
you know, that's a spending time in that secret, quiet
place with God and with the Holy Spirit and things,
and so walking in the spirit as the Bible talks about,
includes all of that stuff. Stirring up yourself, singing spiritual
songs as the Bible talks about, all of that stuff
comes into play if you're wanting to go deeper, if
you wanting to know even where to start. It's simple,
it's just doing life. It's part of your daily life.
But again, all of that stuff in the midst of
simplicity of seeing the beauty and the blueprint, seeing the
beauty in all things, even in the bad things, even
in these times you feel like a victim or you
feel like you're confused, look, find beauty in it, appreciate it,
because it's not until you're in a state of confusion
that you're going to ask for the answers. You're not
going to seek the truth, You're not going to ask
the the you know what I'm saying, the bigger questions,
until you're in a state of confusion. You as a
member in the churches that tell us that the Bible
says God is not the author of confusion. So any
time and people would use that as a cop out.
There would come to a Bible study or a place
or listen to a teacher and they would get confused
just because they didn't understand it. And then they would
negate that teacher and say, hey, God's not the author
of confusion, and I'm confused, so this person isn't of God.
Really strange that they would do that, but they did.
And h But now I see again, confusion is a
good thing. God uses confusion. He may not be the author.
He ain't the one that comes down from the throne
of Heaven and confuses you. I think that even in
this hierarchy of angels, there are other beings and angels
that are here to send you for a whirlwind.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: That's what they do, That's what they were created to do.
So no, God is not the author of that. But
it all is an expression. It comes back to the
one that's over it all. But until you're in that
state of confusion and chaos are you're not gonna seek order,
You're not gonna seek truth. And until you're in the
midst of the darkness, you're not gonna appreciate the light
you live in the light. You dwell in the light.
That's all you do is in the light. You're out
of touch, religious folks, You're out of touch with humanity.
You're out of touch with the crack addict, out of
touch with the drug dealer, the drug addict, the porn addict.
You out of touch. You're just in the light. You
have no conception of the gradients that exists within on
the spectrum of spirituality, of life in the dance. That
you're so heavenly minded, that you're no earthly good, and
we got to be careful of that. I try to,
and even there's a part of me that's out of touch,
and I have to continually remind myself. I forgot how
it is to be addicted to dope. I forgot how
it is to be, you know, tormented by evil spirits.
But I remind myself of it, you know what I'm saying.
I try to remember because other people are still there
and I want to have a compassion. I want to
be able to help those people. But many people, you're
so busy in the light. You don't give a damn
because everything going good for you. Your blessings and your
your finances are blessed. Everything's a blessing, you know, And
so there is no there's no compassion. Even if there
is a compassion, there's no way to articulate it. There's
no uh know how to to step down and and
and be real with people and use spirituality in practical way.
It's all of this deep mysticism and astrology and stuff
that seems so crazy. But to take all of that
stuff and and and bring it into the simplicity of
an everyday life. Hold on to you simplicity, people. There
are beings and spirits that want to take that from you.
And so that's what I'm here to do. I'm here
to help you get lost within the mystery, but found
within the simplicity. That's what it's about. It's this great
song and dance. And you can either be a victim
or a victor. But I think balance is key. If
balance is key, listen, listen, I ain't gonna lead you wrong, man,
I'm gonna tell you. I'm just gonna let you know
what worked for me. I'm gonna tell you what worked
for me and uh and hopefully it'll work for you.
And I want you to do the same. Let me
know what works for you. You know, I think that's
what this podcast exists out of. And there's there's dues
and don'ts listen. It's what it's about. Somebody speaking of that.
Somebody in Chattle while ago was talking about wrestling with
uh with demons or aliens or entities in the middle
of the night, and they want help, They need help
navigating through that. We definitely can pray, but it's a
little bit about walking it out.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Praying and rebuking something like that is one thing, but
being able to walk it out, being in a community
of like minded people, being in a place where you
shut those doors to whatever's opening doors to that, to
those things. I really do believe that. So whatever it is,
you want to shut the doors and you want to
make sure that you walk out victory. So I can pray.
I will pray. I do have some resources on my
website too that you can check out that help you
walk in victory. I have I actually have meditations and
prayers that you can put on that a lot of
people listen to about spiritual warfare, My Encountering Jesus Meditation.
It's free if you go to the website. You can
get it for free if you sign up for the
email list. It'll go straight to your inbox. But I
think that the testimonies and things that I'm getting back
from people who listen to those meditations and who sit
in them to find a tremendous, tremendous healing and and
and and being refreshed. So I do have resources available
for you to walk this stuff out and to understand
what you're going through and how to walk in and
freedom in those areas. And so also have our School
of the Mystics. It's every Thursday night you have and
we have discord like you can get direct access to
me throughout the day. I'm on it the majority of
the time I'm doing work. I have it pulled up.
So that's the way you can get access to me.
You have to be a patron, a supporter. It's only
a dollar. It for a dollar, so but if you
can't afford a dollar, there's other free things that you
can download at your disposal as well to help you
navigate and try to make sense of what's going on.
So that's the least that I can do. And so
Ali says in chat, I encourage everyone to do the meditation.
I listened to them often. Thank you Ali. One of
the most popular videos on my channel is my h
what is it a spiritual warfare? Meditation? And what it is?
It's an affirmation, It's it's reading scriptures over you like
there's power in that. You know, I wanted that's when
they I want to talk to him about as well.
It's reading the Psalms and he talk about how magical
the Bible is and taking the passages apart. Listen, just
reading the Bible out loud, especially the Psalms. It releases things,
it shuts doors like there is power in that. Man.
So with a lot of those meditations and affirmations, they're
just me reciting scriptures that helped me out of a
hard time in my life, that are magical, that have
the ability to open and closed doors that we've opened
knowingly or unknowingly. So there's so much to it. A
lot of those resources are free. I'm and uh there's
other stuff too. I'm available for one on one consultations
and guided meditations and spirit journeys and whatever you want
to do. I'm available for those things as well. So
definitely check out the website for sure. But there's a
bunch of free stuff on put that out there as well.
One thing he said too, and I threw it up
on the screen for those of you watching. But he
mentioned it's so much man, you know. But he mentioned
that Ken and Ryhu or something like that, Ken and
ry who were like these two dualities of the moons
or something. I don't know, guys, y'all. I'll do a
bad job of explaining a lot of this stuff. I
just try my best, But my mind immediately went to
Ken and Ryu or the two dualities in these two
enemies in uh street fighter in street fighter that you know,
and understanding where these names and terms terms come from.
It all comes from astrology, man, like, that's where we
come from out there. It's when heaven touches earth. Our
souls are from heaven. We're etheric, but we're made out
of the dust of the earth. So it's with the
it's it's the polarities that exist within the hearts and
souls of men. And understanding that it's not a bad thing.
The duality is not bad. But don't get lost in it.
Don't get lost within the duality. Don't find yourself fighting yourself.
Being at one and understanding the energies, understanding your your
likes and your dislikes and your distaste and the things
that God has put within you are different from other people.
But understanding responding with love and universal law and all
of those things. That's for everybody. So take that embodyment embody.
It is the embodiment of all the religions of Jesus
and all of those texts. Respond with love. Man. With that,
I'm gonna say, peace, y'all. We got some more stuff
I like to share, but we're almost at two hours
and thirty six minutes at this point. Shout out man,
Thank you guys for believing in the work. Everybody for
supporting on whatever level or platform that you do. So
if you're just sharing out my material, if you're just
hanging out in the chat with us, making these live
streams fun, if you're listening on the podcast apps, and
you know that's definitely where the biggest audience is. May
shout out to everybody, no matter what you're doing and
what you're bringing to the table. If you're praying for
me and my family, if you're supporting financially, no matter
no matter what you're doing, I appreciate everyone equally, you know,
And so I'll just say thank you for that, and
I'm just excited about the future we have. Speaking of
the future, we have the Men's Retreat coming up. Only
got four beds left, guys. If you want to get
lost in the woods and go on a spirit journey
with me and really just connect, I have a Men's Retreat.
We have four tickets left for anybody who is interested
in that. It's going to be August fifteenth. Tickets are
at truthseca dot com also too. I want to just
let people know too, because some people want to know
what's coming up and I'm booked out, man. I think
I got like I may have fifteen sixteen episodes booked
back to back right now with guests and stuff. So
I'm trying to get these guests on my website so
you can actually go to the site and see some
of the upcoming guests that I have now. So if
you go to truthseeca dot com or just click on
any of the posts, I think you'll be able to
see the schedule and some of the next ones that
I have coming up. I got Chris Carter book back
on here talking to head about coming on head from corn.
He's supposed to be on here as soon as I
have dates for everybody, I'm going to try to put
them on there. It's a lot of work. I got
to sit down and put images up and fix the
dates and it's a lot of work. So also looking
for people to help again. Still need people to make
snippets from my podcast and uh, you know, help help
me get the word out about what I'm doing. If
you have any interesting or exciting ways that that that
that you can help, things that you're good at, you
know how you know your way around a computer. You
got some extra time and you want to pay it
forward if you whatever it is, man, let me know
because I do need help doing some of this it
stuff and I always put that out there and every
time I do, people come through. So thanks everybody for
doing that. But hit me up if you want to help.
It's pretty easy to do that. Hit me up. Thank
you guys. We'll do it again. Chris Garner says, happy
belated birthday to spirit Wolf. For sure, my wife's birthday
was yesterday. We had a blast. Our anniversary was the
twenty third. We went on a short short vacation celebrating
her birthday and our anniversary, and so we're back now
in the swing of things, ready to get it moving.
I'm toying with the idea to just try it out.
Let me know if you think it'll be good in
the in the show notes and the comment section, discord
wherever you are, let me know if you think this
will be cool. Thinking about doing a test run of
doing like a five day stream every day for a week,
just to see how it goes, See if the algorithms
help it, see if people hang out. You know, I
don't know if there could be too much content for me. Again,
that's probably why I need some help too on the
social media side, because I'm putting out the content, but
I feel like it doesn't get promoted the right way.
Like it's almost a full time job to promote and
share these episodes and get new ears and new listeners
and so especially when the algorithms are working against you.
So I need people for that. But thinking about it,
I mean, I would hate to through a whole week
of interviews and then nobody. I don't really spend the
time promoting this episode because this episode was really really cool,
and all of the three hundred and thirty episodes that
I have, which as far as I'm concerned, all of
over cool his gems in every single one of them.
So let me know, guys, give me some feedback, let
me know in chat, let me know how you can help,
if you want to help, whatever it is, Love you, guys,
and I would do it again very soon. Peace piece. Wow.
So the Throne Room Meditation, man, this was just like
a new level for me of creating encounter. Really, the
process behind it is going in for myself, having an
encounter with the Lord, tapping into the spirit and getting
in his presence and really just petitioning the Father's heart
and saying, God, would you say, commercially, if I'm bringing
these people with me here, if they're doing this guided meditation,
we're going through this journey, we're having fun, we're seeing things,
we're experiencing new feelings and emotions and sensations, what would
you say to him? So it's channeling the Father's heart
and relating it back to the people. So, man, it's
just a beautiful encounter. And I remember when I wrote
the first one, I was so excited about it and
it was just God speaking to my heart. I was
able to channel the Father's heart and I would read
the script to people because I was just so excited
while I was working on it, and every time that
I would just read the script the presence of God
would just invade me and I just burst into tears
and I couldn't even read it. I'm just like, let
me copy and paste it and send it to you.
But every time I listen to it, I'm immediately translated
back into the throne room of God and everything's good there.
That's the place where everything is okay. Where in the
scriptures it says that we are to hide under the
shadow of the Almighty. This is the throne room of God.
This is the place that we can encounter for ourselves,
but this is also a place in which we dwell,
so a part of us is always there and we
have access to that. Now. There's people who have never
encountered this before in their life, and it's a totally
new experience for them. And almost every time I get
a testimony back from someone, they just say how God
wrecked their lives, that they didn't know what they were
getting into. The next thing they know, They're in the
presence of God, wrapped up in his glory. He's communicating
his love to them, and it just totally wrecks their lives,
so make sure you check out the Throne Room guided
meditation visualization that I brought to the table.