Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, Martin willis here, your host. Welcome to Show
B tonight with Captain Ron Janics. We're gonna be talking
about contact in the Desert and my good friend Dean
Alioto is joining in with us today and I'm going
to bring them both in here.
Speaker 2: We all are welcome everyone, O, gentlemen, how are you doing? Wonderful?
Speaker 1: Getting pretty excited because how many days do we have left?
Speaker 2: It's coming right up.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I leave in like six days, so
it's full panic over here.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I put on events before, but nothing like this.
Speaker 1: So and I did help out with the International UFO
Congress in the background, setting that up and breaking it
down and working on the tell Us something telecaster or
whatever it was. I can't even remember what it's called.
But what a lot of work. No one knows what
that's like unless they do it, you know. And and
Gordon was there, who helps you know, Gordon's part of
this content absolutely what a great guy.
Speaker 3: So yeah, Gordon's you know, he did Megaicon for years
and years and years. So Gordon's been doing this for
a long time.
Speaker 4: And no one in the UFL community who speaks and
they don't have any special needs at all.
Speaker 5: Everything's just oh right.
Speaker 3: They're all very easy going and super prepared and ready,
and they respond immediately to email, which is fantastic.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, not like.
Speaker 3: At the last minute they come up with ninety new ideas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it should be interesting. I can't wait.
Speaker 1: You know, I've heard about this for you know, since
it started, basically, and people always ask me, you're going
to be there, You're going to be there, And I
have a lot of people that you know, a lot
of listeners that have contacted me, and so there's going
to be a lot of connecting there. And I tell
people this all the time, and I'm sure you can
relate both of you that it's the same thing with
going to the hearings in Washington, d C. It's the
people in the hall, the people that breakfast, the people
at lunch, the people that you talk to that just
make these things. It's icing on the cake. Besides hearing
really great speakers.
Speaker 2: I love all that.
Speaker 6: It really is. It really is.
Speaker 3: It's a very unique situation where we have all these people,
you know, the event. Everybody there is for this event.
It's not like we're we have a little part of
the hotel or a little segment of a casino or something.
We have the whole the whole property we rent, so
everybody there is part of contact in the desert and
that kind of makes it even more interesting.
Speaker 1: I was so lucky that I booked the hotel room
when I did, because I know they're they're sold out,
which is we.
Speaker 3: Have a fifty person waiting list, and they cut it
off at that.
Speaker 6: There were more. It's it's you got to get that earlier.
It goes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's talk about it.
Speaker 1: I'm going to bring up the uh you know, of
course this isn't going to be all about contact the desert,
but uh, you know, because I want to ask you
a number of questions and I'm sure Dean has some too,
but so here it is right here, just to bring
it up. You know your website and you still have
tickets available, of course, and I saw there's like a
special going on or something, and I don't know if
that's going to continue on, but anyway.
Speaker 3: Have social ten running right now, so you get ten
percent off. So that's that's what they're running.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, So I'm bringing up the speakers and there's
some people I'm really looking forward to meet that I've
interviewed in the past, like Ross Coltheart. I'm really looking
forward to meeting him, and Auviy Lobe I've interviewed like
ten times and I'm really excited to meet him in person.
Speaker 3: Hold On, hold on, brother, Just so you know, Avi
cannot make it. He's the only one that's not coming.
Everybody else will be there. He's doing his lecture via
a zoom.
Speaker 5: He's dead to us.
Speaker 6: All right, We only one who's not going to be
there in person. Everybody else will be there.
Speaker 2: Okay, well he's worth doing this. One to call out.
Speaker 6: One guy I want to meet in person is the.
Speaker 2: I think I actually wrote him.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to meet him, but anyway, maybe he does
the get back to me yet. Here's I'm just pulling
up all these speakers. One of these people I know
and have interviewed a bunch of times. But actually, Stephen Bassett,
I have to tell you this quick story when I
first in twenty eleven, when I first started this podcast.
Basically I started this podcast. I already did an antique
podcast since two thousand and nine twenty eleven. When I
started this, I had a sighting in two thousand and
seven and I thought Wow.
Speaker 2: This is really fascinating.
Speaker 1: I got to, you know, I think I should do
a podcast on UFOs. Is anyone else doing it? And
there was like a very you know, it was a
handful of people and some of them gone now, but anyway,
I reached out to everyone and the only one that
returned an email was Steven Bassett.
Speaker 2: He was my first guest and.
Speaker 5: Now you can't get rid of him.
Speaker 2: I can't get rid of him now.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yep.
Speaker 3: If you have a birthday party and more than two
people will be there, Steve Bassett will be happy to
come and talk about UFOs with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so here Ben Hansen, I would be hanging
out with him.
Speaker 2: Robert Sallas, great guy.
Speaker 1: All these people are just Paul Heinik is a treasure.
But I'm just you know, skimming through all these just
so people who are watching the video can see who's there.
Speaker 3: We're really I mean, I mean, you know, I'm standing
all of these things too. So we are ecstatic about
this lineup. I've never seen an assembly like this before,
just sort of fell together and we're just very happy
about it.
Speaker 6: We really are.
Speaker 2: That's great.
Speaker 1: And Rizwan Verk very interesting guy. Futurists excited to meet
him as well. So and there's so many I mean,
it just goes on and on and on. And I
have never met Whitley before and this will be a
time I'll get to meet him in person.
Speaker 6: Legend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so great. And I don't know how.
Speaker 1: Let me just ask you how, what is it like
to put something together like this, because you know, once
you get all the speakers and you have to figure
out all the logistics, who's speaking when, and someone can't
do this because they're not coming into that. I mean,
there's so much and it.
Speaker 3: Is in a situation five D tetris is what it is. Yeah,
it definitely is difficult if people coming in from all
over the world. We have people that are coming from
the UK, so they're you know, Ross is coming from Australia,
so he's like a day and a half ahead of
us now. So there's a lot of logistics to figure out.
And then who's talking when are they up against them?
Are they talking about the same subject? You got to
mix that up. So it's quite a challenge to get
all that dialed in, to be honest.
Speaker 1: And you have situations where there's a couple of times
I've heard this from the past. I don't know if
this is the way it's going to be, but there's
you know, more than one person speaking at a time,
but they're talking basically on different topics.
Speaker 6: That's correct.
Speaker 3: We have you know, six stages pretty much going at
the same time all day.
Speaker 2: Six yes, wow.
Speaker 3: And then there's also the Crystal skulls are going at
the same time. Yeah, there's six going. You have to
decide which you.
Speaker 6: Want to choose.
Speaker 3: That's the hardest part about coming to contact is you
have to make decisions do I want to see him then?
Speaker 6: And you know, every single.
Speaker 3: Speaker speaks for free, so if you have our five
day past, you can see every single speaker if you
plan it out properly, and then you have an opportunity
to get intimate workshops and intensives with them if you
choose to. But everybody does speak, so you can. You
got to pick your path. It's I remember doing that
myself years ago and having to make these tough choices.
Speaker 2: Hmm, very very interesting. So what are some of the
extra things going on?
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, like I've heard I listened to
you and Dan doing an interview, Dan Harrari and a.
Speaker 6: Lot of people for us to go to sleep.
Speaker 3: A lot of people turn that on and then they
doze right off.
Speaker 2: So well, I heard that there's like a meditation thing
going on there's so.
Speaker 6: They do that every night.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they do that every night, and they do they
do the bulls to let people you know, sound baths,
and they do yoga in the morning, doing the SkyWatch
stuff as well. Yeah, with Mark D'Antonio, we've got multiple
busses going out Friday and Saturday and you can go
with those two guys out over this giant hill, so
you're in the desert and you know, away from the
city lights and everything, and they'll tell you this is
the space station, this is Venus, this is what to
look for, this is what's normal, this is what's an anomaly.
People love the bust thing. It's fantastic.
Speaker 2: And what about Giant Rock? Did I hear you going
to Giant Rock?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they go on Thursday and they go again on
with Eric Rinkin and they go out there and they
go to the.
Speaker 6: Original Giant Rock.
Speaker 3: You know, that's sort of the I think, part of
the creation of contact in the desert. When what's that
guy's name, Ron Martin Antassel, Yeah, van Tassel did this,
you know, in the fifties. He had this gathering of
people at Giant Rock. So they go out there and
then they also go to the Integratron on Monday, which
is closed, but they open for us and you get
a unique opportunity to go into the Integratron and experience
that whole thing, which is people love that as well.
Speaker 1: I got to tell you this great story. I just
love this story. It's really fascinating to me. Ray Stamford
are you familiar with Ray Stamford. Yeah, he did a
great book on the Soakoro incident. Was there just a
couple of weeks after so I was talking to Ray.
I went and visited him at his house and was
sitting and talking to him, and he started talking about
going to Giant Rock when he was seventeen years old
with his twin brother. Em and his twin brother went
there and they listened to the whole thing. There's like
a thousand people there or something, you know, And they're afterwards,
everyone's leaving and they're both kind of hanging out waiting
to talk to George, and George comes up to him
and he said, you guys seem like really nice guys.
He says, you know, there's really nothing to this. This
is all just bs. You probably don't want to waste
your life on this.
Speaker 2: No way, that was what he said to them.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's incredible, isn't that something?
Speaker 6: Well? Who knows?
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, he's part of that whole fifties
abductee thing, which is you know.
Speaker 2: Contact eee. I guess they called them.
Speaker 6: Yeah, back in the day. Sure, so you know, who's
to say. You know, it's hard to say.
Speaker 3: I I it's hard for me to put stock in
anything like that. But it is fascinating and it is
interesting and Giant Rock's amazing. Anyway, Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: I know, I'm really excited to see it.
Speaker 1: And I don't mean to put any typic of Bosh
on that, Oh no, no, because I know there's definitely
enough going on and has been enough going on, and
probably things going on there that have happened. You know,
you get out in the desert, you never know which
are going to see.
Speaker 3: Joshua Tree alone has a lot of sightings and experiences.
Joshua Tree is notorious for this, and that's where this
event used to be.
Speaker 4: As you know, right, that's right, and it was, Yeah,
Dave Foley and Jeremy Corbell.
Speaker 5: They had a sign in the desert as well.
Speaker 6: That's right. I think they were in Joshua Tree.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so it does happen. In fact, I'm going
to be this will be my first time coming to
contact in the desert, and I'm very excited about that because.
Speaker 3: Your your your credentials are very limited. It's the men's
room and then that one time when you play your
film I think is pretty much your access.
Speaker 5: And it's roped off their security as well. That's what
I was told.
Speaker 4: I have a whole list of what I can and
cannot do. What's great about this festival, the reputation anyway,
and we'll do a post mortem after and we'll see
if this is true. But I keep hearing that this
is like fun filmmaking camp that you can go up
and you can approach any of these guys, and there's
there's sections and stuff time a lot. There's a words gallop,
but we're not going to talk about that because it's
plain opposite.
Speaker 6: My screens.
Speaker 3: But yeah, before you're screening, before your second screening yet.
Speaker 5: But the second screen yeah and.
Speaker 4: Then uh, but but it's really a place where you
can come. As an example, the UFO community is the
greatest community. I mean there there's there's several different there's
music communities, this or that, but there's something about this
community where the.
Speaker 5: Conversations are insane.
Speaker 4: It's like beyond what you would normally do. There's no
one's holding back. It's all just free, you know, free throwing.
But everyone just we're all there for the same reason.
And so you know, seeing the list of people who
are going to be there, I know a chunk of
these guys and they're all good people. Uh, it just
seems like it is it is the perfect what is
that the perfect confabulation of everything when you come and
if you want to get fed on UFO, as you can,
if you want to get fed on telepathy, you've got Diana,
doctor Zion Powell coming, which is studying. I mean, the
research that she's been doing is just amazing nuts. And
so anyway, there's a little some it's like a smorgasport.
There's something you know for everyone there is.
Speaker 3: There are people talk about all kinds of topics, the afterlife,
you know, and a lot of these topics. As you
two gentlemen know, because you've done research on this. Uh,
they really do seem to overlap. It's that what do
they call ven diagram where uh, there's overlap. And even
people like Whitley have stated publicly that they feel that
the afterlife may in fact have something to do with
the visitors. A lot of these abductees contactees seem to
say that. So there's there's there's a lot of these
different aspects that kind of touch each other in one
way or another.
Speaker 4: We all see loved ones that will be on these
crafts are around them. I remember one of the first
conversations I had with lou Elisondo. I said to him,
I go, you know that's really resonating with me, is
maybe they're traveling through the astral plane. If you can
do that, you don't need that the hardware as much
as you know the nuts and bolts.
Speaker 5: This frees up a whole bunch of thinking once we
can you know, navigate through that.
Speaker 4: And so the overlap, which they kind of call high
strangeness right when it gets a little bit too much,
But no, there definitely is overlap, and that's I want
to see more of that coming out.
Speaker 5: And so I'm glad that the program this year is featuring.
Speaker 3: And also you know, then we even touch on things
like the government disclosure, what's happening in Congress, what's happening
you know in the mainstream world, as far as we've
had an unprecedented level of Congress people talk about this.
There's like eighteen different people in Congress right now where
the Senate who have publicly spoke you know, pro UAP disclosure.
That's that's unheard of. Ten years ago, that would never
have happened. You wouldn't have got one.
Speaker 1: When I went to the hearing in DC, I just
felt like it was so historic. Yeah, just historic, like
and you know when they have thirty five seats and
a thousand people show up for them, I feel like
I was really really lucky to be the second to
the last person in the door.
Speaker 6: So awesome, but I.
Speaker 2: Had to pay for it.
Speaker 1: I had to get up at five whatever it was
five in the morning and be in line, and people
cut in line all day.
Speaker 5: You know, you threw down on them pretty hard though
I did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1: But anyway, it's yeah, I think it's a real interesting
time to be involved in this topic, you know, since
twenty eleven, Well, Ron you've been paying attention to it.
Speaker 2: A long time.
Speaker 1: I don't know how long you've actually, you know, I've
done a podcast on I'm not really sure, but I
know you've been podcasting a long time.
Speaker 2: But still, you know, do you follow this?
Speaker 1: This What's happened in twenty seventeen comes along, that that
article comes out, and then the doors, the floodgates open
to actually people paying attention to this.
Speaker 3: It's remarkable how much of an impact that had. That
just like kicked off all of these different things right
in sixty minutes, and then the next thing, and then
the videos come out, and then you know.
Speaker 1: Abby Low and you know, people like him see you
people taking it, you know, really serious. And I remember
the best conversation I had. Oh god, am I going
to forget his name right now?
Speaker 2: He's a professor in Aliotto, Professor.
Speaker 4: Ruddy Shields the professors.
Speaker 2: No, he's a professor and he's involved in the science
part of it.
Speaker 5: I just like Michael Masters. No.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm just making fool of myself because I can't
think of his name. But he's been on my show
a bunch of times, and I'm going to apologize to
him for this. But anyway, he said he wanted to
be on the ground floor when this, you know, because
he saw earthquake lights. He go to these conventions and
there was a guy and they were saying, this guy's crazy,
these earthququake lights are nothing. And then found out that
this guy really did have something. He said, I want
to be that guy when it comes to UFOs, So
I'm going to talk about it.
Speaker 5: Kevin Kanu that's him.
Speaker 6: There you go or Kevin?
Speaker 2: Thank you Dean. Yeah, yeah, great guy.
Speaker 1: But I mean so he spoke at Contact before, Oh
he did. Yeah, I mean he's a great guy. And
but see you just this is what that did. They
got all these people. Now, I used to ask people
prior to twenty seventeen. I used to ask people like
I spoke with one astronaut, but you know scientists and
you know astronomers, and what would it take for science
to get interested in.
Speaker 2: The UFO topic. That's what I used to ask them.
Speaker 1: And they would say, well, it doesn't have any there's
no like end game here, and when there's no endgame,
you're not going to get funding. So that's why you're
not going to have any science take this seriously because
it's not repeatable. It's you know, it's not predictable. It's
not this or that. That's all changed now, you know,
because they decided, well, hey, you know there's at least
something to this, and let's take a better look.
Speaker 4: Well, also, I think we would rely on people who
kind of do this as a side hobby, who would
look at at like, as an example, material exotic material.
Kevin Kanuth, if you've seen The Oily Perspective, part one,
my documentary, Kevin Kanuth has material. Three samples of material
that tested the two tests that were done beforehand tested
very oddly. It shouldn't have been. The numbers came back
what they did. But Kevin is someone who like, if
we're going through and he's like, okay, that's not a
correct test, let's take that out.
Speaker 5: A lot of these what's.
Speaker 4: Great about Kevin and and a lot of other people
is they want to weed out the other stuff that
it isn't as much as going right towards leaping to conclusions.
And so that has allowed other people to come in
because you can also blanket a lot of these and
it was a way that we were able to get
people for this doc and other people got it for
other docks is to say, as a hypothetical, let's look
at this applying your skill set, and we are finding
that people are because they've been talking about this between
themselves for years, but they've never come out of the
pott and now they are. And so it could not
be a better time, I think to embrace this. But again,
you're right, what is the end game?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Well I remember it with an unknown Even the people
that claim to know about this, we don't know what
it is, you know, I don't know that anybody really does.
You know, even if we have craft, if we have
all these things, there's still got to be so much
we don't know or understand or be able to get
our brains around. So it's difficult dealing with an unknown
subject like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we know just so little about everything
going around us, going on around us. That's how I
feel like we just know, just a little tiny fragment
of reality.
Speaker 3: I talk about this all the time, Martin, how things
have changed and how far off. You know, one hundred
years ago we thought our galaxy was the entirety of
the universe. Yeah, and now we think there are two
trillion galaxies. So look at the margin that we are
off in in under one hundred years. So you can
just imagine extrapolating that out something like this, How we
can't even get our brain around it.
Speaker 1: And just you know, think of where we're observing from
a little arm uh you know, oriyan just a little
and we can actually see as much as we can
and think of all like the James Webb telescope. How
many things were saying, well, that doesn't make any sense.
But you know that's why science has to be malleable
and you know, self correcting as and more information comes along.
Speaker 3: It's great to have guys like AVI and stuff pushing this.
They've got new telescopes coming online soon that the extra
Large telescope in Chile and a couple others. Obviously this
is going to move things way forward because we able
to see so much more and scan the skies and
things like that. And it's fun to think about these things,
let's say, from an alien perspective. You know, it's fun
to think about these from a different way. You know,
Dean's films amazing and it really just is very thought
provoking and it's really something to think about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I yes, it is really and to think that
you know, this is some of the things I think about,
you know, when it comes to this topic, is you know,
I mean, if we are being observed, which I do
think is very possible, you know, have we you know,
maybe I'm going down the rabbit hole a little bit,
but have we been seated here and to be observed?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: I mean that was actually something I wrote in high
school for an essay when I wasn't even really into
this topic, you know, trying to well, maybe that's why
there's different races and different continents, because you know, we're
all planted here as an experiment, you know.
Speaker 2: And I actually got an a which was really rare
for me. Martin.
Speaker 3: You know, I think you could go back one hundred
thousand years as soon as our brains were working. I
got to think the first questions, the first two questions
are the two big questions. What happens when we die?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 6: And then are we alone? Yeah? Those are the two biggies.
Speaker 3: I mean, you don't need to be studying the stuff
or anything to have that just feels inert, right, yeah?
Speaker 2: But why is it that? I mean, I think this
is really funny.
Speaker 1: When I talked to like people out there, friends, and
things like that, said, hey did you see that? You
know there was a hearing on the UFO topic.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 1: No, And it's like, you know, my sister, whose husband
is a scientist, who actually thinks they're could be something
to this, she could care less about, you.
Speaker 2: Know, and there's so many people that.
Speaker 3: Most people interact with her that way. And I don't understand.
You have Eric Davis sitting before Congress saying we have
we know of four types of alien beings face to
face with a congressman. And I didn't see that story anywhere.
Why is that not on every evening news.
Speaker 6: Across the country. That shocks me.
Speaker 4: It's really weird because I look at the whole phenomenon
as a menu, and some people just don't want to
order off the menu. They're just like, this is too much,
this isn't something I would normally eat, and they're they're
not adventure or they just want to park it here.
I'm only going to have that egg tuna salad with
a little bit of.
Speaker 5: You know, rye bread on the side. Whatever. So people
are going to be selective about it.
Speaker 4: Or it comes and then they hit it really hard
and they're in it for a moment. And then here
comes another shiny object, and then we go over here,
pivot over here, and yet everyone, all of us are
still on that first shiny object that is letting us
go Dean.
Speaker 3: It's very shocking to me how it seems through doing
all this stuff, you see how everybody's just sort of
so dug in with their position in a movie will
come out like Deans. That's very eye opening and incredible,
and I think, well, wow, that should move the needle,
because that really showed us this, and it just reinforces
people that believe in this and then the other like
they don't care. It's you know, until you pull off
the ship and the bodies on the White House lawn,
it doesn't move the needle at all. Eric Davis seeing
that publicly in front of Congress, all these things that
have been happening in Congress does not seem to move
the needle.
Speaker 6: And that is.
Speaker 3: Utterly shocking to me. How dug in people are at
their position. They're just like, yeah, wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got to tell you a funny situation. Do
you remember when the Alien Autopsy film came out? Yeah,
I'm going to say it was like ninety five, nineteen
ninety five, something like that.
Speaker 4: I was there when the producer told me he's got
his hands on some footage. He told it to me, Yeah,
Bob Kiviat, and I told him at the moment, I said, yeah,
that's bullshit. And I haven't even seen a lick of frame.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I'll tell you this, man. Yeah, I got
to just tell you this story.
Speaker 1: I had a very busy auction company at the time,
Antiques Auction, Art Auction all that. I was just so busy,
and I was like a one man show. I did
have like four or five people working for me and stuff.
But I was like running like crazy and I come
through the living room in my house and I see
the alien autopsy film on the thing and I stop
and I'm looking at it and I go, huh wow, wow,
that's interesting. Well I got to get back to work,
and I just like that was it. And so I
am right there with the people that you know, kind
of pass this stuff off.
Speaker 2: But you know, the funny thing and just.
Speaker 1: A spoiler alert, that is a fake video. Everyone, So
if you don't get fooled on that one, that's a
good it's a good fake, but it's fake.
Speaker 5: Well, even Bob said to me.
Speaker 4: He goes, yeah, I'm sure you're right, but I'm going
to make an fload of money and I.
Speaker 6: Go do it.
Speaker 5: If that's what you're doing it for, then yeah, that's sad.
Speaker 3: But Martin, uh, we're talking with the king of that
sort of genre almost right, right, Dean.
Speaker 4: That is.
Speaker 3: The found footage idea, and I think it's it's an
excellent idea for a film. I think you could have
just done it and been honest about it upfront instead
of trying to hoax everybody.
Speaker 4: You know, Yeah, well there's no money in not hoaxing people,
and so you have to really.
Speaker 2: Lean into it. I guess No, George Fantassel, you know.
Speaker 4: I'm still the only filmmaker that's gone on national TV
to debunk his own movies. So and that's on record.
But no, it's interesting, Martin, because it will come in
and then it's like, how do I fit this into
my wardrobe of my life?
Speaker 5: And people don't make room for it.
Speaker 4: They just go yeah, And I am stand that it's
it's ontological shock, right as John Mack said it.
Speaker 5: I think it's something.
Speaker 4: That is a slow, gradual thing that'll that'll come for people.
But I just know, amongst my friends who would give
me crap, I had this one documentary filmmaker. He used
to give me shit all the time and go, are
you still doing that? I'm like, I know, I'm seven
years into this. I don't know what the hell's going on, but.
Speaker 5: It's got me.
Speaker 4: And then he called me like four months six months later,
and he says, hey, Dan, can we can we talk?
And I said, yeah, we're talking right now.
Speaker 5: Go ahead. And he says, so I saw something and I'm.
Speaker 4: Like, god, I haven't seen anything good for you. And
he goes, no, no, it's really bad. And I go
what And he says, it's jacked me up. I saw
something that should not exist. He says, my whole life.
I just thought this whole thing was crap. And I
saw something off my balcony with my roommate. We were
both looking at this thing. It was a silver craft
moving along really slow and it was about maybe seventy
five yards away.
Speaker 5: You could clearly see it.
Speaker 2: Wow things.
Speaker 4: Yeah, then a blue light went around and it took
off and he said, I've just been sitting with this
and I'm not sure. I mean, it really jacked him up.
And so some people can handle this, and some people
you know, can't, and so it becomes a matter of
us not saying you need to accept this, not at all.
We just present it and say, if you're interested, if
you're UFO by curious, this is you've got a welcome placer.
And I think that you know, contact in the desert
in some of these other places, they're there for that
because there are so many answer it's a puzzle and
everyone's got a piece, and that's what's exciting about it
doesn't have to be just one puzzle.
Speaker 6: It's all another brick in the wall. There's no doubt
about it.
Speaker 3: But I feel Dean that there's I think it's uh
disingenuous to not at least entertain this. The people that
dismissed this out of hand without looking at that, that
frustrates the hell out of me, because listen, I sit
right in the middle. I am not you know, it's
very hard to convince me of a lot of these things.
But there's something here. And you know, you have this
film in the Age of Disclosure coming out, another film
that has what thirty two or thirty four guys that
all of their credentials are ridiculous. Why do these gentlemen
get and women get to these places, have these credentials
behind them, they get to these places in life. Why
do we just dismiss that out of hand? That part
I don't understand. If Avolobe saying these things, and John
Mack is saying these things, and these guys in agent
disclosure of saying these things, well that makes an idiot
like myself say, well, wait a minute. These guys are
a lot smarter than me, and they got a lot
further in life than I did. Maybe I should listen
to what they say. There must be something to this.
These guys don't have time to blow smoke. I don't
have time to look at social media. How do these
guys have time to look into all these things? There
must be something there. And the people that just dismiss
that out of hand, I think is really unfair.
Speaker 6: You don't have to believe in all this.
Speaker 3: But you do have to acknowledge that there must be
something somewhere to warrant it right.
Speaker 4: What you're doing and what Martin does and everyone else
in this community. Unfortunately, we're all burdened with counter having
to do counter programming because for decades, anytime the subject
was brought up in a new situation at a level
of respectability.
Speaker 5: It had the music score of the X Files.
Speaker 6: Right, So we're.
Speaker 4: Having a counter program and then we're having to create
new brain grooves for this.
Speaker 3: I think, in my view, it shouldn't be counter program.
Speaker 6: Though.
Speaker 3: I don't understand why some of these things aren't front
page of the news, you know, not some crazy wacky
story that some crazy incident happened, but the fact that
people are in Congress saying these words, the fact that
a guy like hell put off. Now, how does that
guy get to where he is? And then he goes
on Rogan and says, we have more than ten craft
in our possession that should at least be something worth
talking about, and just goes away.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always path on me.
Speaker 1: But you know, going back to what I was talking about,
walking by that alien autopsy film and then jumping right
back into work. Do you know that until I started
doing this program, I never really looked into that, you know,
And even after I had my UFO sighting, I never
looked into it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like you're so busy with your life.
I understand the people being busy with their life because
I you know, that's.
Speaker 3: What Mart and I do too. Absolutely. I get the
mundane concerns of our lives. People are raising kids, people
have two jobs. I get all that. But I'm talking
about people who are dismissive of this topic. Oh yeah,
nonsense or silliness. I'm like, why based on what? Yeah,
I find that position, the extreme position there as nutty
as the far believer position. Who have all these beliefs,
you know what I mean? I think people all should
just kind of bring it in a little bit and
just take a rational view of this.
Speaker 2: That's yeah, No, I get, I get that makes total sense.
Speaker 1: And you know, I mean, like, but what you said
in toward the beginning of when we started talking about
people already have their mindset, you know. And there's I
don't know if you've noticed, but there's a lot of
division in the UFO community, but there is in all
aspects of our society and social media. You know, there's
I'm right, are wrong, I'm bad, you're good. You know,
I mean I'm good, you're bad. I mean, you know
the type of thing.
Speaker 3: I've chose my team and that's it, and and and
nothing will change me. And I find that just really
hard for me. I'm somebody that's very open minded to
this stuff and other topics in life. Nothing supernatural, just
in life. I'd like to hear both political views and
make your points. To me, It's just how do you
subscribe to one set of beliefs only and everything else
on the other side is wrong. I can't get my
head around that. I don't know how people can't. Well,
I agree with this side for these issues and this
side for these issues. You know there should be some
gray there.
Speaker 2: Nope, Yeah, it's no flying. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And what's interesting is the alien messaging for decades maybe longer,
has been two things. Your technology is not helping you,
and you're screwing up your planet. And so I am
going to in my mind, if i'm you know, if
this keeps coming, this messaging keeps coming, and I want
to benefit from our elders if you will more advanced.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna I'm gonna take heed to that.
Speaker 4: And so I don't want to politicize this but at all,
and it shouldn't be. But it's our planet needs to
come first at some point. Because when I hear of
you know, like Elon Musks have talking about, oh, we're
going to go to Mars and we can do terra firming.
Speaker 5: You really can't. You can't do that.
Speaker 4: Because when you think about where the Earth is situated,
you have to factor in azilion things. You have to
factor in gravity. The gravity has to be identical within
a pound or we're going to be all jacked up, right.
It's got to have the right amount of sun. It's
got to have the right amount of temperature. It's a
whole litany of things. And so when we find these
other planets that look like they have life in the globalux,
they're not identical to us.
Speaker 5: So it's good for other living beings, but it's not
going to be good for us.
Speaker 3: Dean, that's a great point. Do you know that even
on Earth? I always find it fascinating how literally I
live pretty close. You know, I live in La so
I'm fairly close to Death Valley. You know nothing, you
can't live there, And that's just because elevation changed a
little bit. You go up on a mountain and that's
no good either. So even on our planet we have
like this band of above sea level that we can
live at. If you go below above, hardly anything can
live there. So it's amazing how narrow those margins are.
You know another thought I thought of when you were
talking there, Martin, is that do you know, throughout roughly
two hundred thousand years of humanity existing, we all believed
up till nineteen ninety two that there were no planets
in the universe outside of our solar system. Only in
nineteen ninety two did we first discover our first exo planet.
So all of that time we were contemplating this with
the belief that there were no other planets out there.
Speaker 2: Well, there were people speculating there were, but.
Speaker 4: No, yeah, it wasn't accepted until ninety two, yep, until
they saw the wabble.
Speaker 3: That's incredible that so for thirty five years we've been
able to get our mindset well, maybe there are other planets,
so now we can start thinking in those terms. So
it's just it's amazing how you know that can change
our perspective so much just with that little bit of knowledge.
Speaker 5: So sorry, General Martin.
Speaker 4: I know that Martin wants to ask you, and I'm
curious as well, how did you get what was the
gateway for you? What got you into this?
Speaker 6: I've always liked these things since I was a kid.
I liked.
Speaker 3: I like things that I don't understand or don't know about.
I don't like hearing something I already know about. Let's
talk about it again. I already know that. Tell me
something I don't know. It is something I grew up with.
And then, you know, like everyone, I read Whitley Strieber's
Communion and I read Van Dan against Jerry to the Gods,
and I thought, well, wow, this makes sense. Why isn't
anyone talking about this? And then I started listening to
Ard Bell and you know, all of these things that
a lot of us have gone through. I find it
very interesting and curious. And now, luckily I was in
the cell at the right time, because, like you said,
martin twenty seventeen, everything's changed and everything is really expanded
in this whole community, and it's really interesting to be
part of it.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now I can't really remember.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, I know what I was going to say,
just real quickly, and then we're basically going to be
wrapping up here. But you know, getting back to different planets,
you said one pound difference, you know all that.
Speaker 2: You know I spoke with, you know, Mark.
Speaker 1: D' antonio, just saying, well, what kind of life would
be you know, most most solar systems of binary you know,
so then you got gravity doing this type of thing.
You know, I said, what kind of differences do you
think it would make in developing? And it's all you know,
I mean, it's just such I can't remember exactly what
he said, but you know, all these things are factors.
Are moon with the tide, you know, the tides. If
we didn't have that, you know, would the oceans be stagnant?
Speaker 6: What? You know?
Speaker 1: I mean, all these different things. It's really quite amazing
to think about. But the odds are that there is
you know, I mean there I have a feeling. I
can't say that I have proof, but I have a
feeling that there's tons of life out there, and I'm
very curious to know intelligent life. You know, what things
would be like, what's what's music like in another you know, uh,
you know, alien species?
Speaker 2: What's the.
Speaker 5: Just to let you know, it's like a.
Speaker 2: Sorry, what's the equivalent of the first kiss? The first car?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 1: I mean, you know all these things that I just
love thinking about all that type of thing. You know,
it's all such a puzzle, and you know, I don't
know who said it maybe Dean. You know, the people
in this community are really amazing, and I feel so
lucky that I had that UFO sighting.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I have the love of my life because of that
UFO sighting, you know, and I just.
Speaker 2: Feel really blessed. And it's been a pleasure talking to
both of you guys.
Speaker 6: This is great.
Speaker 3: I love talking about this stuff all the time. And
Dean's movie is amazing. That's reason enough to go to
Contact right there, because we're going to see Part two
world premiering at Contact, which we're really genuinely excited about.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I haven't even seen that, even though I'm good friends
with Dean, so.
Speaker 5: We're not that good friends.
Speaker 2: Okay, I guess not good enough, buddy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, thank you guys so much, and we'll
see you in ten days or whatever it is.
Speaker 2: But ye, what's the first day?
Speaker 6: Thursday? Thursday?
Speaker 1: And just for our listeners, we have Danny Sheen coming up.
He's going to be there too, but he's coming up
next week as a guest. Thanks so much everyone.
Speaker 6: We'll see you guys. Thanks man.
Speaker 1: All right, keep your eyes to the sky.