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to the show, Carol Obili.

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Speaker 2: How you doing, Carol great, so good to be here.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being on the show. You

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have been a medium for a few years now.

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Speaker 2: When did you start?

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Speaker 1: About thirty years you've been doing this work. You've done

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over ten fifteen thousand readings at this point in your career.

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Speaker 2: Correct, yes, sir, that is correct. I actually lost count.

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I tried to do an estimate, and it's somewhere in

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the neighborhood of sixteen thousand contacts with the spirit world.

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Speaker 1: When did this start happening to you? When did you

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first have an experience that your first spiritual experience?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I might be a little bit different

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than some other mediums in the field. Not until my

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mid to late thirties, and that came about as a

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result of a devastating fire. In the books that I've written,

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I've written five books at this point, I talk about

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that and what put me onto the pathway. I was

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running a business and the business burned overnight. We had

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an electrical fire, and I was not able to rebuild.

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So for about nine months to a year, I was

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left essentially directionless, had no clue what I was going

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to do with my life. In fact, I remember saying, God,

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can you just come down here and assign me a job,

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because I don't know what I'm supposed to be doing here.

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And so it was through something very devastating in addition

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to an earlier and I've written openly about this too,

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and that's addiction alcoholism. And I got sober in my

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twenties and have not drank alcohol in like forty three years.

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But that's what put me onto the pathway. I almost

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feel it was an event to pull me off of

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the pathway of running this other sort of non spiritual

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type of business and put me squarely onto the pathway

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of my soul's purpose.

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Speaker 1: So we're talking about a spiritual like this is kind

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of your first journey onto the spiritual path. But as

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far as the mediumship and the abilities and that, when

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did that happen?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my mid to late thirties, I got a phone

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call from her friend, who unfortunately was killed on her

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way in a car accident to my house. It was

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very devastating at the time. Prior to that, she had

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called me and said, you have to go to this

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metaphysical center. It was near a small town near where

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I live. And my reply was, how's that going to

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help me get a job? I'm not, you know, I

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don't have time to fool around here. I have to

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find something else, you know, to earn money. And so

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there was a second phone call from her and same thing.

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So reluctantly one Sunday, I got dressed up and I

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went to this center, and as soon as I walked in,

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I immediately felt at home, particularly with and what I

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began with with mediumship was touch mediumship healing, delivering spiritual healing.

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to all sorts of people, we would have a healing

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sanctuary a couple of times a month where the public

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would come in. So from there, speaking mediumship or evidentiary

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mediumship developed for me. And I went to a place

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called Delphi. It's near Atlanta, Georgia, and I got training

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there and became certified in mediumship and then took a

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lot of training at Lilydale, New York, where I've also

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taught many many times. It's a spiritualist community. I'm sure

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a lot of your listeners have probably heard of lily Dale.

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Speaker 1: So when was the moment you first saw did you

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see or do you hear spirit? Or how do you

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feel that? What are the Claires that you are most

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attached to.

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Speaker 2: Clere sentience, which mean Claire is from the French and

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it means clear sentient is feeling or sensing. So the

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way that I explain it is it's really Claire sentience

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is an impression. And you know, I always use the

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analogy if I had a painting and I have it

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covered with a cloth, and I say to you, Alex,

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give me your impression of this painting. When I take

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the cloth off, How does it make you feel? What

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do you sense from it? Does it pull you in?

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So it's really the other two claires, Claire audience and

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clairvoyance arise organically from Claire sentience. So that is really

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a fundamental sense for most people who eventually become mediums,

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and everything else sort of stems from that, but yes,

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And when I hear, which is really telepathy, it's in

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my own voice, and it's words, names, you know, locations.

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So there's many many different things that I will hear

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in my mind when I'm engaged in a reading.

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Speaker 1: Now, from my understanding, you can be a psychic and

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not a medium, but you can't be a medium without

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being a psychic. Is that a fair analogy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's spot on because the only difference, and this

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is very simple, you know, for people to understand. If

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I'm doing a psychic reading, I'm reading the person in

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front of me, who's in a physical body. At this point,

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I read nationally and actually internationally, so it's mostly on

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the phone or through zoom, so and I actually prefer

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not seeing somebody. It's very pure, it's very pure. So

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I'm reading that person's energy field in front of me.

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Mediumship is reading the energy field or the consciousness of

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a soul in the spiral world who does not have

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a body. So that's the main difference. It's really the

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same phenomena, but it's just a matter of the recipient

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of the reading one being here in the physical realm

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and one not.

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Speaker 1: So when you're tapping in. So let's say you were

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having a reading with me and you're not listening to

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Uncle Bob in the corner who's telling you what to

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tell me, you're actually tapping into my higher self if.

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Speaker 2: You will, yeah. Or the auric field on the area

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is simply being an energy field that emanates from your

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physical body. It's also called the etheric body. The etheric

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is really a template for the physical and when we're

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developing in the womb before birth, the etheric body forms

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two form. It's the energy, it's an energy body, and

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it's sort of the template that the fiscal body is

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going to be in the infant.

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Speaker 1: So when you're getting the information, you're getting it from

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higher self or body of myself of the information that

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needs to come through, and that field of consciousness by

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or feel or higher self, whatever you want to call it,

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knows where I'm going as far as like with the

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potentialities of my future, because that's generally what people think

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about when you have a psychic reading, like what's coming?

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When am I going to meet mister Wonderful? When am

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I gonna, you know, get that job? When am I

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what are the lottery tickets numbers? Got?

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Speaker 2: I call them the big two? You know, when am

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I going to buy love, to get laid one honey

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going to get paid? That sounds awful, but I mean

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readings in a metaphysical bookstore in Pittsburgh, a lot of

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people came those are the big two questions? And then

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this other aspect started to open up, Actually two different

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aspects that I never asked for. One of them was

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reading the Acasi files, and that just happened spontaneously. I

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would see scenes over the individual's left shoulder, and I've

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written about that phenomena in my books. How did that

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open for me? And never asked for it? But when

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I would relay it to the recipient, there would be

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this recognition, Oh, I've always been drawn to Italy or

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I've always you know, felt this particular pattern, this particular

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problem or child in my life. And so you can

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actually look at that and see the roots from the

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storehouse that each soul has called the Akashik files, also

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called the Akashik records, you can see where that originated.

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And so when we know that, then we can begin

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to really heal it.

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Speaker 1: I have to ask you because you've been doing this

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not thirty years, and in the last thirty years a

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few things have changed in the world, just a couple

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of things, and I wanted to see what is your

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take on humanity's consciousness as it relates to your readings,

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because I imagine if in the nineties when you were

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starting this, it was much more in the physical world,

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like it's like when am I going to get laid?

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When am I going to get paid? Whenever they going

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to do this, all that kind of stuff. But has

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there been a shift into more deeper questions, deeper understandings

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of consciousness and not just going after the physical physical readings,

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meaning like things about in the physical, in the materialistic world,

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but more in the esoteric or more into understanding who

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they are better. Have you seen that in your work?

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Speaker 2: I would say yes, people today. And I wrote all

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about this in my latest book, The Art of Sensing,

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And it's about going within to jumpstart inner transformation because

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the outer world is but a reflection of what's going

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on within the individual. So you know that Michael Jackson's

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song The Man in the Mirror, Yeah, that's what I

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That's what we have to do is to look within

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if we want to see a change in the world.

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highly transformational time. You know. I am also extremely knowledgeable

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and skilled with astrology, so I've done a lot of

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studying with that too. And when Pluto, the planet Pluto

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of transformation, entered the sign of Aquarius, Aquarius being the masses,

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you know, the greater good, we were hit with all

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of this transformative energy and a lot of people became

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very overwhelmed. A lot of people gave into fear. A

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lot of people and I'm actually at this point right

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now too of not knowing what is sometimes, particularly on

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social media, not knowing what is true and what is

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what is not. So my message, the overwriting theme in

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the art of sensing, is following the journey of your

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own soul, going within so that you can find the

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place of peace. There's so many people today who are

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not at peace, you know, anxiety, depression or epidemic, particularly

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in younger people, and so you're never going to find

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that in the outside world. It doesn't exist there. It

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has to be from within the individual. And once you

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do that, the journey unfolds. So absolutely there is. There

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was not that level of you know, discontent or chaos

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going on when I first started as there is today.

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Speaker 1: I have to ask with your you know done fifteen

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sixteen thousand readings, at a certain point from your perspective,

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I mean, people come to you because they're searching for something.

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They want answers. So it's either like, hey, is my

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I'm okay? Or hey, am I ever going to find love?

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Or hey am I going to ever get that job

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or make it big in the bit and show business

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Do you at a certain point just go like these

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these kind of questions, don't like this is not helping

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you in other words, in other words, it becomes almost

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entertainment and it doesn't really help the soul in the journey.

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So like I was guilty of this when I was

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a young man. I would go to psychics all the

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time when I was young, asking all the materialistic questions

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about career and love and things, all based in this reality.

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But I mean it was really based on fear. I

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was terrified about what was going to come I was

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terrified of something bad happening. I was terrified of all

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that in your work, how do you approach that kind

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of client and those kind of souls that come to you.

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Speaker 2: Well, my work is and always has been about healing,

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and to me, the core of doing this sort of

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service is number one about human relationships. Obviously with mediumship

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that that person or pet. So have been many many

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readings in which animals come through as well. That love

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is inexhaustible and it's eternal. But there's more to it

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than that. The core is about the expansiveness and eternity

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of the recipients of readings their own soul. And so

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that it's not just about oh, look you know, look

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at the evidence have provided, Look how great I am

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or whatever. Ego will absolutely destroy anyone who is practicing mediumship.

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ego creeping into anything that I do. So it has

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to be about feeling better after half an hour or

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an hour. Then when you initially you know, came into

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the session, and I have witnessed that time and time again.

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It has nothing to do with me. It has everything

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to do with Spirit, which is my word for God

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or you know, source or whatever you want, it's all

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the same thing. And to help people understand that the

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choices that we make in life determine the quality of

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our life. In fact, in my fourth book, Wisdom from

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the Spirit World, well, that was one of the lessons

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that I've gleaned from years and years of talking to

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people in the spiral world. The power of choice that

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resides within each of us. That is the point, the

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pivotal point in the current moment, because that's all you

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and I have, that's all anyone has to begin to

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change the trajectory of your life and to understand that

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that's within you, not out there. Nobody can give it

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to you, nobody can take it away. So essentially, yeah,

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my work, and I take it very seriously, is about

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helping people to transform and to realize that you do

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not have to be a professional medium or professional psychic

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or anybody extraordinary to tap into your inner senses, to

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follow your soul's journey, that it was written before you

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even came here, and to improve the quality of your life.

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Speaker 1: There's one thing that I try to always warn people

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about in regards to psychic mediums, and I think this

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is a warning that I think you will agree with

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me on. But I'd love to hear your thoughts. Is

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that a lot of people look upon the gifts that

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are given or the abilities that have been opened within

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because we all have the ability to do what you do.

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It's just it's just being able to open them and

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get them to a place where you can do it.

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But a lot of people associate that if you have

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this ability, that must mean that you're a good person

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and you have ethical ways of doing what you do.

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I try to warn people against, like listen that just

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because you have these abilities doesn't make people good, because

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I've run into psychics who are not good people who

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that did things for money or did things for this

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and had a lot of ego and things like that.

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So I love to hear your thoughts from that point

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of view to let people know what you feel about it.

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Speaker 2: Ethics are extremely vital in this field. I consider myself

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highly ethical. If I can't help a person, you know,

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someone calls my office and well I have this going on,

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I have that, I will flat out tell them, you know,

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that's not something that's not in my area of expertise.

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I have actually turned people away, Alex because they're becoming

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too dependent. That is unethical. You cannot develop. It's not

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good for the individual. It's not good for the medium

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because what you are doing is you are creating a

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you need me scenarioy. Yeah, and that is not healthy.

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And that's why I've written books, That's why I've taught.

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I've had many years of teaching spirituality and mediumship metaphysics.

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That's why I tell people, you know, tools that you

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can use that don't cost anything, like you know, mindfulness, stillness,

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you know, going on and walking in nature. These are

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tools they don't cost anything that you are right at

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your disposal, that you can use. It is not good

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to become dependent, you know, on anyone, and there needs

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to be balance in life.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: One of the questions I've been asked through numerous interviews

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is are you always seeing spirits? And the answer to

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that is no, you should not. Any ethical medium should

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not constantly be on because we're meant to enjoy and

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to experience life here in the physical realm, or we

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wouldn't be here. So, you know, enjoying a walk, uh,

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you know, enjoying, reallylationships, laughing, going to a movie. You know,

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we're meant to do all of that. And I have

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never met even you know, with the well known mediums,

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they will tell you the same thing. You you know,

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you should not be on all the time. That is

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a very good way to become ill or to become drained.

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spirits are waking me up in the middle of the night.

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That shouldn't be happening because you own your energy, you

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own your body, and so you have control over that.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned earlier that we are going currently through a

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very transformative time. Before we dive into that, when was

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the last transformative time. That's so people have a reference

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point in human history. That's something I don't think anything

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exactly like this, but something said, well, in.

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Speaker 2: Twenty twenty we had COVID. You know, no matter what

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your opinion on that is, certainly you and I saw

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massive change. Business is closing. People absolutely doing things out

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of fear. And so you know, the the what looks

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or looked bad, and that's that's what people have to realize.

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It opened the door, I believe, and it always does

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to transformation. So when anything leaves our life, whether that

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be through death or through the loss of a job,

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a serious illness, the breakup of a marriage or a relationship,

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it's very painful and they're suffering involved, and we need

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to feel that. But there is all always an opportunity

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presented in that situation. So yeah, I believe. I mean,

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I could even go back. You know, I was a

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little kid. But during the sixties all of the racial riots, tension,

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you know, assassinations, you know, so probably And by the way,

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some of the same planetary positions and aspects or relationships

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between the planets are in place today that were in

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place then. And also get this, during the Civil War,

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some of the same the big outer planets Nottune for example,

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were in place then that are in place now, meaning

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in the same signs and so forth. So what you

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get are these cycles of consciousness. That's all astrology is

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the planets. You know, you can look through a telescope

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and see, yes, there are planets there. They're physical things,

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but they are representative of energies within the human being.

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and so it's referring to consciousness. I would say Yeah,

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physically the planets are above us in the sky, but

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it's that trickle down effect, so these come up for

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us in order to in some way evolve through them. Now,

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if you look at the sixties, absolutely, you know there

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was evolution that took place in human consciousness as a

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result of some very painful events, and we're going through

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that again here.

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Speaker 1: Seems like, Yeah, in the sixties, it seems like it's

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kind of the birth of, at least in the West,

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of the metaphysical movement, New Age movement. Yes, all that

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meditation gurus coming in from India in a big, big way,

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the Maharishi and those kind of those kind of souls

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and stuff. So there was definitely, but I can see

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the mirroring of it because there is also a big

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spiritual awakening happening today and our consciousness is higher than

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it's ever been to my understanding, in this cycle at least,

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and things are changing so rapidly. But it feels like

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someone's put a put a brick on the gas pedal. Man,

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it just will not let up. It's just burning that.

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Speaker 2: Oh you feel that too, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's just changes so fast, and it's every day, I know,

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it's every day, like it's something new, you know, and

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I you know from my perspective when I was growing

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up in the eighties and nineties, you know, things changed.

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But I always use the example of like VHS. VHS

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showed up, then video store showed up, and it was

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a slow process, was a good decade, fifteen year, Then

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DVD showed up, and then things started to speed up

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even more and more. Then streaming showed up, and then

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this and now it's like and I'm just using movies

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as an example from that's where I come from, But

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it's now every there's new stuff happening all the time,

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and now AI and all this stuff. It's so hard

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to even process cognitively what's happening. That's why I feel

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things so many people are so overwhelmed. Would you agree?

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Speaker 2: I agree, And you're going to during the next seven

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years you will see, I think it's mind boggling. Be

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caught Uranus, the planet of rebellion, the planet of I

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must be my authentic self, and you're going to get

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out of that box because that's Uranus's evolution purpose. It

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just entered in about a month or so ago into Gemini.

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What is Gemini? It's communication it's thinking, it's talking, it's technology.

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So Uranus, by the way, rules the internet, and Urinus

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rules electricity. So this is why I'm confident in saying

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you haven't seen nothing yet, truly. And I understand what

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you said about being very overwhelmed, because I'm sort of

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a dinosaur with tech. You know, I get used to

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something and doing it a certain way, even with you know,

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with zoom and the next thing. I know, oh well

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it's changed now, and then you have to adapt to that.

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And so look, the point is, don't become overwhelmed. You know,

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do what you can, and you know, keep both feet

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on the ground. I think it's really important that we

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all do grounding now, you know, making sure that our

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root center at the base of the spine is its

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connected to the earth, and that we're not letting this

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run away with us. An interesting facet of this I

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saw the other day. It was an ad for another

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spiritual network, and it was a person advertising AI for mediumship. Now,

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when I saw that, I said, no way, because AI

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is not a human soul. It will never be that,

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and so when mediumship takes place, there's a blending of

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that soul that of course doesn't have a body with

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when I'm doing readings with my soul as the me.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

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And now back to the show.

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Speaker 2: How is AI going to do that? AI is incapable

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of being a living, breathing soul with intelligence. Yes, it

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has intelligence, but that that's what scares me. That and

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and as an author, you know, someone stealing my work

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or whatever, duplicating it. So I think that's a real

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concern for those of us who are in the communication field,

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no matter what aspect of it it might be. But yes,

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I mean I I just was flabbergasted I saw that AI.

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You know, AI mediumship.

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Speaker 1: I mean, let me know what you think about this,

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because I don't fear AI at all. I think AI

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is here to help us in I think it will.

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It's an inevitable it's going to it's already here, it's

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already going to do it. It came like a rocket,

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like one day, we're not talking about it, and all

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of a sudden, AI is everywhere. So it's pretty interesting.

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I've also had people reach out talking about AI and

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spirituality and AI doing this, and there's places for it.

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I don't agree with AI mediumship. I agree with you

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two hundred percent. I don't think that's a thing, but

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I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this. Just like

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when you are thinking of Uncle Bob and you're driving

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in the car right and Uncle Bob is passed and

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you're thinking about Uncle Bob and all of a sudden,

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Uncle Bob's favorite song comes on the radio. It's a

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form of It's a way of spirit communicating with that person.

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And I think we've all felt it in one way,

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shape or form. Or you think about someone and someone

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calls and it's that they're here to talk about Uncle

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Bob or something along those lines. Is there a potential

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for the same way that spirit would use a song

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or a TV show or you know something, or even

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a butterfly showing up when your mother your their past

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love butterflies.

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 1: And in that moment, is there is there a place

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where they that spirit would be able to manipulate AI

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in the same way to give you a message, not

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in the same way that you presented it like AI mediumship,

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Like you go to a AI thing and go talk

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to me Uncle Bob. I don't believe that, But is

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there a potential for that just curious what you think.

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Speaker 2: I don't know there might be because I say that

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because I've explored just about every aspect of the paranormal

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at this point, and particularly with spirit communication. You know,

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there's these those talk boxes, and there's also some paranormal

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00:32:54,960 --> 00:33:00,480
investigators who use a regular Really dating myself with this,

475
00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:05,079
but like a little trend. I have these when I

476
00:33:05,119 --> 00:33:08,839
was growing up in the sixties, transistor radios and they

477
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:13,440
tune it to a certain frequency, and you know, they

478
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,119
record this and then you're getting Uncle Bob, you know,

479
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:23,000
coming through on the on on the radio and uh,

480
00:33:23,319 --> 00:33:27,920
you know, voice impressions and so forth. So perhaps it

481
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,680
is possible I don't know, but you know, a whole

482
00:33:32,799 --> 00:33:36,920
communication that would take the similar to what would take

483
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:41,319
place in a mediumship reading. At this point, I highly

484
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:46,319
doubt it. I would personally would not trust it, you know,

485
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,960
but I wouldn't roll it out because every single time

486
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,200
that I say, gee, I've never heard that before, or

487
00:33:54,319 --> 00:33:58,160
something comes up in reading and you know, somebody tells me, hey,

488
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,519
this is how my dad made contact with me, uh,

489
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:06,400
you know, and gives me some sort of synchronistic weird event. Uh,

490
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,800
something new happens. So you know, just when I think

491
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:11,800
I've heard it all.

492
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: But.

493
00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it could be possible. Spirit knows how

494
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,519
to manipulate electricity. Does it take practice and focus on

495
00:34:22,599 --> 00:34:26,239
their behalf? It absolutely does, because they're no longer in

496
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,920
this frequency. They're vibrating in a much higher frequency than

497
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,880
the density of the physical plane. So but they do

498
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:44,800
and can manipulate lights, phones. I've had very very I've

499
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:50,840
had a lifetime of peculiar spence if I even told you, Alex.

500
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:56,159
But you know, there's many different things that Spirit is

501
00:34:56,199 --> 00:35:01,840
capable of doing to get their message across you know,

502
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,000
do they really do? They have to take training. Yeah,

503
00:35:07,039 --> 00:35:09,159
they have to take training to even know how to

504
00:35:09,159 --> 00:35:13,599
reach my mind as a medium, because there's a lowering

505
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:19,719
of the frequency that has to happen to blend to.

506
00:35:19,679 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 1: My understanding from from my point of view is that

507
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,960
that frequency. We have to raise our frequency. So you

508
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,199
as a medium and a medium have to raise your

509
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,800
frequency to a certain point. You're not going to go

510
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,519
all the way to where they are, but they have

511
00:35:34,559 --> 00:35:35,880
to get to a certain point and then they have

512
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:40,320
to come down to meet you halfway or you know,

513
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,760
something at something relevant something like that to be able

514
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,719
to do this communication because if not, it just doesn't

515
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,760
work because they can't come all the way back down

516
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:54,559
to where you are. But that's my understanding. But then

517
00:35:54,599 --> 00:35:59,320
when someone when you see spirit in a room, have

518
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,360
they've just their frequency down so much that they can

519
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,480
manifest in front of you for your eyes only. And

520
00:36:06,519 --> 00:36:09,519
then what happens with ghosts? These these you know, these

521
00:36:09,519 --> 00:36:11,079
ghost that you see sometimes.

522
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 2: Well full body manifestations where I'm actually seeing like you.

523
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,199
Speaker 1: Uncle Bob, Uncle Bob, right.

524
00:36:18,119 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that is exceedingly rare, exceedingly rare. I am

525
00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:31,039
very honest and transparent when I with media, with everything,

526
00:36:31,079 --> 00:36:35,239
and I'll tell you what's bs and what isn't. That's

527
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,760
very rare. Mainly, what people were describing is a phenomenon

528
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:45,079
of clairvoyance when they're seeing. Now. I have had experiences,

529
00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:48,079
particularly when I was doing I mentioned earlier in the interview,

530
00:36:48,199 --> 00:36:50,639
I was doing a lot of healing work, hands on

531
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:55,639
healing in a healing sanctuary. It was exceedingly imbued with

532
00:36:56,039 --> 00:36:59,639
very high energy because of the spiritual healing that went on.

533
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,679
In One time, I was lying on one of the

534
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,079
healing beds and I was in there by myself and

535
00:37:09,039 --> 00:37:13,440
my eyes were open, and I see ectoplasm. For those

536
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,559
who don't know ectoplasm is it's like it looks like

537
00:37:16,639 --> 00:37:20,119
cigarette smoke. I mean, it's you know, it's filming, is

538
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:27,639
you know, gaseous material. And it was so real. And

539
00:37:27,679 --> 00:37:31,719
that's not the only time I've seen actoplasm, So that

540
00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:39,480
sort of manifestation is certainly something that yeah, I mean

541
00:37:39,639 --> 00:37:43,119
people can see. Can it take a form? I believe

542
00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:47,960
it can. Yes. The times that I have seen ectoplasm,

543
00:37:49,199 --> 00:37:53,000
it has not taken form. It has just been very

544
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:58,320
diffuse and it's you know, white smoking material. The other

545
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,599
time I saw, there's been multiple times. I lived in

546
00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:07,559
an old house and I was in the bathroom brushing

547
00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:10,880
my teeth one evening. It was about eight o'clock in

548
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,840
the evening. All of a sudden, out of the wall,

549
00:38:15,079 --> 00:38:19,559
out of the wall in front of me, comes a

550
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:26,119
huge cloud of ectoplasm, and I took several steps backwards

551
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:31,719
from the sink. What the heck? Then it diffuses and

552
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:40,800
goes back into dissolves back into the wall. Now I

553
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:49,280
was not terrified. This same entity had done this numerous times.

554
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,079
I had dogs in those days, and it would manifest

555
00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:54,639
over top of my dogs. My dogs had beds on

556
00:38:54,679 --> 00:38:58,039
the floor, and it would hover around the dogs, over

557
00:38:58,119 --> 00:39:01,760
top of them. So I mean that sort of thing

558
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:07,639
where you're visually with your physical eyes seeing spirit. It's

559
00:39:07,679 --> 00:39:13,440
mainly in my experience through seeing like ectoplasm. Now, can

560
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,599
it take a form, Yes, it depends on the strength

561
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:23,639
of that intelligence that is contained within that ectoplasm.

562
00:39:24,159 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: In your work, Carol, have you ever encountered ascended masters, angels,

563
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,159
those kind of beings with beautiful and massive lights, very

564
00:39:36,159 --> 00:39:39,760
strong energies that come through in a reading of some sort.

565
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 2: Yes, not certainly, not every reading, but enough that I

566
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:51,800
could speak to it. Particularly with the angels, I will

567
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:57,360
sense them or actually see them through clairvoyants, mainly with color.

568
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,679
The angels have never been here in a physical form.

569
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,559
They can take physical form. We've all heard these stories

570
00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:09,239
where you know, I was pinned under a car and

571
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,960
this man came up and lifted the car and then

572
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,280
I turned around and he was gone. Or you know,

573
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,079
I was in the hospital and a stranger came to

574
00:40:18,159 --> 00:40:20,840
my bedside and I asked about them, and then nobody

575
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:26,639
else saw that person. So those angelic encounters can They

576
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:31,400
can't take physical form, but they are basically they are

577
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:35,840
extensions of the Creator and each one and they're a

578
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:43,719
different phylum or classifications of angels, and they work with

579
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:51,119
humanity with certain issues. For example, the big arching are

580
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:55,719
our angels. Archangel Raphael, and we see him as emerald green.

581
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,639
You know, that's the color of the heart shock or

582
00:40:58,639 --> 00:41:02,920
a heart center. He works with physical, emotional, mental healing.

583
00:41:04,079 --> 00:41:08,199
Archangel Michael. I will sometimes see him with the large

584
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:13,119
sword because he deals with extractions and he deals with

585
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:20,199
eternal truth as put forth in natural Law. Archangel Gabrielle

586
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:27,880
spiritual awakening. So I will sometimes see these specific angels

587
00:41:28,679 --> 00:41:32,440
around an individual and then I'll say, you know they're working.

588
00:41:32,519 --> 00:41:36,679
This particular angel is working with you on this life issue.

589
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:42,440
And the other one I see interestingly is and I

590
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,880
have a statue behind me of her as Mother Mary.

591
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,719
I will see her and I'll tell you, Alex, when

592
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,159
this really happens is when someone has lost a child,

593
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,679
you know, during with someone said a child who's died.

594
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:03,119
During the reading, and sometimes not every reading, but in

595
00:42:03,159 --> 00:42:07,199
some readings, I will see Mother Mary there. I call

596
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,280
her the Divine Mother because I wouldn't even limit her

597
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:15,199
to just Christianity. She is the feminine face of God.

598
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:20,280
She is the nurturer and the heart is very, very

599
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:25,079
prominent with her. So I see her working with the client,

600
00:42:26,039 --> 00:42:30,079
dealing with helping them to heal their heart from that

601
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:35,760
traumatic loss of a child. But yes, they do appear. Yeah,

602
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:40,239
the assentiment. I love Saint Germain. You know I've got

603
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:44,440
my I have my Violet on today. Saint Germaine is

604
00:42:45,119 --> 00:42:48,679
one of the ascended Masters. Deals with the energies of

605
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:54,800
prophecy and healing. That's what he deals with. And the

606
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:59,920
masters don't do each other's work. They do very specific

607
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:02,280
work of their own.

608
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: They've had a lot of experience with the Ascended Masters

609
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,320
channeled on the show Energies in the Room when I

610
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:13,440
was when I do interviews here in the studio, they

611
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:18,000
are very different. They don't know lap. The energies are different,

612
00:43:18,039 --> 00:43:23,119
and they do not overlap in their emissions. Christ has

613
00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:25,840
a very different energy than Mary Magdalene, than Kwan Yin,

614
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,400
than Saint Germain, than Buddha, than Yogananda. There are so

615
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,440
many other different Ascended Masters. They all have very specific

616
00:43:32,639 --> 00:43:37,559
signatures and styles of how they approach things. It's just

617
00:43:37,639 --> 00:43:41,119
curious that they came into your work. So you were

618
00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:44,239
mentioning about you know where we are right now, and

619
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,760
you mentioned the next seven years. Can you give us

620
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,920
some details because there's a lot of fear around right

621
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,599
now because the world seems to be, you know, unraveling

622
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,039
in many ways. I think that it's a hyper alertness

623
00:43:57,039 --> 00:44:00,519
because of all the media, social media, news, everything that

624
00:44:00,559 --> 00:44:03,480
we are just bombarded with this information. So it feels

625
00:44:03,519 --> 00:44:06,800
even worse than it probably is because I've always tell people,

626
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,360
I'm like, it was work. We've had worse times. We

627
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,039
could be in ancient Rome right now. You know there

628
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:16,719
was there was, there was tough times before. So what

629
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:21,039
do you see for you know in the next you know,

630
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,280
handful of years in regards to I could just go

631
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,440
down the line. But let's say the economy, because people

632
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,400
are you know, it seems like that's the inflation is

633
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,159
out of control here in the States, the dollars losing

634
00:44:33,199 --> 00:44:39,159
its power. Gold is at forty five hundred dollars you

635
00:44:39,199 --> 00:44:41,400
know an ounce. You know, it was like one hundred

636
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,559
and ten when I was a kid, So you know

637
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,199
that's a signal that's saying something about the economy. What

638
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:48,480
is your feeling, what do you see?

639
00:44:48,639 --> 00:44:52,559
Speaker 2: I believe it will level off. This is a time

640
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:57,960
of great fluctuation and polarity. Now the fiscal plane onto

641
00:44:58,039 --> 00:45:04,079
itself is polarity orient meaning we've got extremes. You know,

642
00:45:04,119 --> 00:45:07,679
that doesn't exist in the higher realms of spirit, but

643
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,920
it does exist here. I believe the key to this

644
00:45:12,039 --> 00:45:16,840
is modulation, don't you know, don't panic. That's the worst

645
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,960
thing that we can do. This is the time. It's

646
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:25,079
sort of you know, the action of the plutonium energy

647
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:30,119
is to is to die. It represents physical death, but

648
00:45:30,159 --> 00:45:35,039
it also represents metaphoric death in the old what is

649
00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:43,199
no longer serving their survival of the consciousness must be eliminated,

650
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:45,559
It must be expunged.

651
00:45:46,559 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 1: So we'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

652
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:56,199
and now back to the show.

653
00:45:58,599 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 2: What's going to happen then? Well, you know that whole

654
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:06,239
has to be filled, and so it's going to take

655
00:46:07,079 --> 00:46:12,840
that vision within ourselves as the guardians of this wonderful planet,

656
00:46:14,639 --> 00:46:17,199
to have a vision for how do we want to

657
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,639
fill this? How do we want to you know, go

658
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:28,440
on from here? And so people must absolutely necessarily go

659
00:46:28,559 --> 00:46:35,719
within to first be anchored in a spiritual connection. You

660
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,239
know what I found time and time again in my

661
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:42,360
own work and mediumship is people who have a spiritual anchor.

662
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,280
I don't care if it's organized religion or it's metaphysics

663
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:50,360
or like twelve step higher power. People who have that

664
00:46:51,559 --> 00:46:58,280
anchor within have an easier time navigating through suffering. And

665
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,679
it's the same here. We can say that a collective

666
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:05,679
level that you know, finding the ancher within, whatever that

667
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:10,000
is for you, but that which is based in harmony

668
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:15,480
and unconditional love. And this is not flowery manby pandy stuff,

669
00:47:16,039 --> 00:47:20,440
but I mean genuine, you know, caring, the principle of

670
00:47:20,599 --> 00:47:26,639
care about our future and what happens. And I believe

671
00:47:26,679 --> 00:47:28,679
that those of us who are working in this field,

672
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,519
you included, I mean, you're doing a lot of information

673
00:47:31,679 --> 00:47:37,639
and getting this out to people. Are our way showers.

674
00:47:38,039 --> 00:47:42,239
Were not superior in any way, but we're way showers

675
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:47,119
of just pointing in the direction towards this is probably

676
00:47:47,159 --> 00:47:50,159
the way that we want to go. So I believe

677
00:47:50,199 --> 00:47:52,480
we're going to level off with things. You're not going

678
00:47:52,519 --> 00:47:58,440
to see these, you know, this extremism that we have

679
00:47:58,519 --> 00:48:02,880
been in. This may even shift with the next in

680
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,880
twenty twenty eight, the next in our country, the next election,

681
00:48:09,559 --> 00:48:12,800
and we're going to make it. I mean, the bottom

682
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:17,400
line is, you know, we're going to make it no

683
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,400
matter what. And you know, the hard truth is this,

684
00:48:20,599 --> 00:48:24,039
And I think a lot of people need need to

685
00:48:24,119 --> 00:48:29,440
awaken the universe or I'm saying that, like universal intelligence

686
00:48:29,559 --> 00:48:35,599
or the God energy really doesn't care if human beings

687
00:48:36,039 --> 00:48:40,079
become extinct. It's going to continue to expand, it's going

688
00:48:40,119 --> 00:48:47,159
to continue to evolve. Nobody is really coming to save us. Yes,

689
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:53,719
there are ascended masters, there is the Christ consciousness, all

690
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,920
of that, you know, no matter what you call it,

691
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:01,760
to help us. But because of the reality of free will,

692
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,599
it's up to us to choose. So I'm not trying

693
00:49:06,599 --> 00:49:10,880
to hedge on your question, but it really is dependent

694
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:16,039
upon the choices that we make individually first and secondly

695
00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:20,960
collectively or the direction that we're going to go. But

696
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:28,559
I guess I would say that this will eventually level out.

697
00:49:30,039 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 1: So my understanding with all psychic readings in general is

698
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,360
that when you see the future, you're seeing the potentiality

699
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,119
of the future. You're not seeing anything hard because there's

700
00:49:40,159 --> 00:49:42,519
free choice. So if you say, hey, you're going to

701
00:49:42,599 --> 00:49:46,199
get that job in New York, well maybe a job

702
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:47,840
from LA calls all of a sudden. Now you're in

703
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,519
la as opposed to New York, but there was a

704
00:49:50,559 --> 00:49:54,159
potential there. And from my understanding, what you see is

705
00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:58,000
that it is more than likely this could happen. But

706
00:49:58,039 --> 00:50:01,360
it doesn't. It's not rock solid. It could easily shift.

707
00:50:01,679 --> 00:50:04,559
But this is the direction, the trajectory that we're going

708
00:50:04,599 --> 00:50:07,400
towards in a person's life. Does Does that make sense

709
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:07,599
to you?

710
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 2: Yes? It does. And you know I've studied everything from

711
00:50:12,599 --> 00:50:18,280
Edgar Casey to Nostradamus. Right when nostra Thomas was gazing

712
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,559
into that pail of water, what he was seeing was

713
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:25,400
if humanity stays on the trajectory that is currently on,

714
00:50:26,679 --> 00:50:31,800
or if this, you know, consciousness would take over, here's

715
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,960
what is likely I mean he saw. I mean, here's

716
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,880
a guy that was in the sixteen hundreds, maybe the

717
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:43,880
fifteen hundreds, you know, way ahead of time, you know,

718
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,599
naming Hitler, he got he called him history, he got

719
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:53,159
one letter wrong. He saw the whole horrible, horrible thing

720
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:56,760
called World War two, and you know with the Nazis

721
00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:02,800
and so forth. So could that have been prevented? Yeah,

722
00:51:03,039 --> 00:51:08,079
I believe what Master Thomas was seeing was, yeah, this

723
00:51:08,119 --> 00:51:14,760
could manifest if humanity takes this particular turn. And so

724
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,760
anybody who's doing my type of work, to be honest

725
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,000
and to be genuine and to be ethical has to

726
00:51:23,079 --> 00:51:27,679
say you, here's what like, for example, with the seventy

727
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,840
eight deck of the tarot, which I've been using for

728
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,599
years and years and years. I'm self taught in the taro,

729
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,760
here's what could be a potential. Here, here's what could

730
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,639
be a possibility. I really like working with the major

731
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:46,159
account in the taro because there are archetypes of human consciousness.

732
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,159
This archetype is coming up for you right now, maybe

733
00:51:49,199 --> 00:51:54,760
the strength card for example, you know, or or you

734
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:58,280
know the full you know, our count of zero, so

735
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,800
there's there's potentiality there. And by the way, the fool

736
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:05,800
does represent pure potentiality. That's why he's our counter number

737
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:11,000
zero because within zero is everything and it's also nothing.

738
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:17,000
So here we have this, you know, dichotomy again. But

739
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:25,199
I trust my life to spirit that we are going

740
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:30,039
to We're not going to sink, We're going to swim.

741
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,199
And you know, I'm really not that much of an

742
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:38,079
optimist in life, but I'm a realist and I'm very pragmatic,

743
00:52:39,159 --> 00:52:45,840
but I believe that enough of us and I mean,

744
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,719
look at the success just in your world of your podcasts.

745
00:52:50,599 --> 00:52:54,920
People are hungry for this. This gives hope. You are

746
00:52:55,000 --> 00:53:00,559
a purveyor of hope for people. That's how important you are.

747
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,840
And nobody can take your place in the unfolding your

748
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:07,440
mind plan. Nobody can take my place or anyone's place.

749
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:13,199
So you know, personal responsibility is always in effect, and

750
00:53:13,519 --> 00:53:17,960
it really depends on how we use that, and that

751
00:53:18,079 --> 00:53:22,360
is going to be how we advance. So I believe

752
00:53:22,519 --> 00:53:25,760
that things are coming up now to really be viewed.

753
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:32,840
It's extremely transparent for us to make a decision, and

754
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:39,079
so there's no more you know, trickery. Things are coming

755
00:53:39,079 --> 00:53:43,760
out into the open, and then experiment has to be used.

756
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 1: So why is because this is a question I get

757
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,800
asked all the time, why is this happening to us

758
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,639
right now in this history, in the history of humanity

759
00:53:52,679 --> 00:53:56,079
where all of these all the stuff that seems to

760
00:53:56,119 --> 00:53:59,880
have been underground has started to bubble up. And I

761
00:54:00,199 --> 00:54:02,840
see it, and I mean we start seeing hints of it.

762
00:54:03,079 --> 00:54:04,880
I always raised Catholic, but used to you know, you

763
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:06,719
start seeing hints of it in the Vatican and what

764
00:54:07,199 --> 00:54:09,480
you know, the whole scandal of the church and what

765
00:54:09,639 --> 00:54:12,199
happened there, and then you start seeing it in the

766
00:54:12,199 --> 00:54:15,079
food supply, and now the truth of like what is

767
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:19,119
that cookie really made out of? Holy cow? A flamethrower

768
00:54:19,519 --> 00:54:22,400
is not it's not taking it down, or a burger

769
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,800
that sits around for ten years, and it doesn't change

770
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,880
that those truths did not exist when I was growing

771
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,000
up or when you were growing up, you know, and

772
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,239
food was different back then. Using that as an example,

773
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:39,920
but pharmaceuticals, Hollywood, the medical field, education, all of those,

774
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,800
every aspect of our lives, banking, all of it, it's

775
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,960
all starting to bubble up to show us the truth.

776
00:54:46,519 --> 00:54:48,360
Is that why this has happened because we need to

777
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,880
kind of have this kind of expelling of it to

778
00:54:51,079 --> 00:54:51,519
for et.

779
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 2: All Again, that's the Plutonian energy. I mean, that's astrology.

780
00:54:55,519 --> 00:54:59,639
But if we just look at you have a patient

781
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:04,760
on the operating table. That patient has a lot of cancer.

782
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:10,880
The surgeon's going to operate to extract that cancer, to

783
00:55:11,039 --> 00:55:15,960
excize it. That's where we're at. We're the patient, We

784
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:22,559
collectively are the patient on the operating table, and the poison,

785
00:55:23,079 --> 00:55:26,480
the cancer that's going to kill the patient has to

786
00:55:26,639 --> 00:55:30,440
be It's already been X rayed, it's been exposed. Oh

787
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,920
it's over here. Oh it's in you know, the stomach,

788
00:55:34,039 --> 00:55:37,800
or it's in the intestines or whatever. And so that,

789
00:55:38,039 --> 00:55:40,480
you know, these different areas of life so to speak,

790
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:50,239
needs to be examined and essentially healed. So, yes, as

791
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:55,559
you were saying, all these different areas, certainly the pharmaceutical

792
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:03,000
and food, you know that that is just my below.

793
00:56:03,199 --> 00:56:07,320
When I grew up, there was no such thing as organic.

794
00:56:08,199 --> 00:56:10,599
Speaker 1: You just because everything you went to the.

795
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,280
Speaker 2: Grocery store, Oh, here's some carrots, you put them in

796
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,920
your core. You know, here's a head of lettuce or whatever.

797
00:56:17,559 --> 00:56:22,440
Now you know, I only buy organic. I'm vegan, so

798
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,599
I don't need any animal products, but you know, I

799
00:56:25,639 --> 00:56:28,800
only buy organics. But when I was growing up, that

800
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:33,719
was unheard of, and there was no gmo, you know,

801
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:42,079
synthetically produced seeds. Yeah, I mean everything. It's almost like

802
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:47,000
we need a magnifying glass now to really see what's

803
00:56:47,039 --> 00:56:51,480
going on here, you know, putting things under the magnifying glass,

804
00:56:51,559 --> 00:56:53,639
under the microscope to really examine it.

805
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:59,519
Speaker 1: And that also goes into hate and injustice and all

806
00:56:59,519 --> 00:57:02,519
of these other things and polarities and all that because

807
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:06,079
you know, growing up in the eighties and in my

808
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:09,119
generation looking at the eighties and the nineties, I mean

809
00:57:09,119 --> 00:57:12,119
living in the Cold War that at any moment the

810
00:57:12,119 --> 00:57:17,280
bomb could go off kind of environment. The political parties

811
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,840
here in the United States were, I mean they were

812
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:24,920
still right left and they they were they stood for

813
00:57:25,039 --> 00:57:28,360
their ground, but there was communication, there was compromise, there

814
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:35,079
was cooperation. Now you can't even look at someone from

815
00:57:35,079 --> 00:57:37,639
the other side of the aisle because then you're just like, oh,

816
00:57:37,679 --> 00:57:40,440
you're a trader. Like it's so extreme, it's been pulled

817
00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:43,199
so far to the left and right. And it's not

818
00:57:43,239 --> 00:57:45,559
just here in the States. It's in England, it's in

819
00:57:45,599 --> 00:57:49,119
the Europe, it's in many countries around the world. And

820
00:57:49,159 --> 00:57:52,000
it seems to be happening more and more. From your

821
00:57:52,039 --> 00:57:54,400
point of view, why do we need to have this

822
00:57:54,599 --> 00:57:59,280
kind of polarity that is obviously not functioning for anybody

823
00:57:59,639 --> 00:58:01,880
on the world world, that we need to go to

824
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,239
these extremes. Why do you think that's happening right now?

825
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 2: Well, interestingly, you know, I have studied many years of

826
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:13,199
natural law, and I also developed a workshop that I

827
00:58:13,239 --> 00:58:16,719
taught at Lilydale on natural law. One of the natural

828
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:24,440
laws is the law of polarity, and so why would

829
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:28,519
that be a natural law? Meaning natural law just means immutable,

830
00:58:28,639 --> 00:58:34,519
universal laws that are always going to supersede man made law,

831
00:58:35,039 --> 00:58:40,079
you know. So the law of polarity is we have extremes.

832
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:50,679
There must be an integration of the extremes for harmony

833
00:58:51,119 --> 00:58:56,639
to occur, you see. So we can't be completely over

834
00:58:56,679 --> 00:59:01,119
here and we can't be completely over here. We need

835
00:59:01,119 --> 00:59:07,519
to meet in the middle. And so it's a teaching mechanism,

836
00:59:07,559 --> 00:59:10,800
just like karma, the law of karma that's a natural law,

837
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:18,559
is a teaching mechanism for human that that determines the

838
00:59:18,639 --> 00:59:24,880
course of human behavior, the consequences of human behavior. That's

839
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:29,400
what the law of polarity is. So the key to

840
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:34,360
that is not being completely overhere, not being completely overhere,

841
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:38,840
but meaning we haven't we haven't mastered that yet. We

842
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:44,440
have not come to the middle. And I think all

843
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:50,480
of the great teachers talk about you know, harmony being important.

844
00:59:51,679 --> 00:59:53,400
You know, you're meant to do this, You're meant to

845
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,519
do that. You can do this, just don't get stuck

846
00:59:56,559 --> 00:59:59,440
in it, you know, don't get stuck. It's like with grief.

847
00:59:59,719 --> 01:00:05,840
Grief is not bad, it's necessary you're grieving the physical

848
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,840
loss of a person or an animal. Pardon me from

849
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:10,360
your life.

850
01:00:12,199 --> 01:00:14,719
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor

851
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:19,599
and now back to the show.

852
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:25,039
Speaker 2: But some people get stuck in it, and we're not

853
01:00:25,199 --> 01:00:29,320
meant to do that. Emotions are not bad. That's why

854
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,880
I've gone away totally from New Age a lot of

855
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:35,199
New Age philosophy because I felt that it was false

856
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,440
teaching example.

857
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 1: Can you give me some examples.

858
01:00:39,639 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, anger is bad. You know, I'm going to explore

859
01:00:45,639 --> 01:00:48,960
the twenty ninth dimension, but I haven't mastered the third.

860
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:59,119
You know, people who I'm sorry, but you know, I'm

861
01:00:59,239 --> 01:01:01,840
very truthful and saying and I've said this on a

862
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:06,239
lot of media, people who say that they're channeling that

863
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:11,519
five thousand year old entity. And you know, I am

864
01:01:11,719 --> 01:01:17,320
extremely discerning about who I you know, listen to that

865
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:22,519
does anything with mediumship. You can't just accept at all.

866
01:01:23,119 --> 01:01:26,960
And emotions are not bad. Emotions need to be felt,

867
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:33,360
they need to be recognized. I believe emotions, and particularly

868
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:38,079
the ego, has been demonized through New Age philosophy. The

869
01:01:38,159 --> 01:01:43,400
ego is not bad. It's a necessary entity. Echer totally

870
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,639
cause it the you know, the pain body or the

871
01:01:45,719 --> 01:01:50,920
voice in the head. It's also a teaching tool and

872
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:54,000
it's necessary to navigate here on the physical plane. We

873
01:01:54,119 --> 01:01:58,760
have to have an ego. It's not bad, but don't

874
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:02,159
get lost in it. Know that you're not your ego,

875
01:02:02,239 --> 01:02:05,599
You're not your body. You know. We hear all these cliches,

876
01:02:06,559 --> 01:02:12,119
but are we practicing that. I'll tell you this real quickly.

877
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,280
I used to go and work out. I still work out,

878
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:17,599
but it's in my basement. But I used to go

879
01:02:17,639 --> 01:02:21,199
to a gym and the one and I would use

880
01:02:21,239 --> 01:02:24,079
the Nautilus equipment, and you know, they had all kinds

881
01:02:24,079 --> 01:02:29,360
of weight machines for different muscle groups. And one wall

882
01:02:29,519 --> 01:02:32,719
of this room that I was in was all mirrors. Yeah,

883
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:35,559
and I used to watch these muscle guys come in

884
01:02:35,599 --> 01:02:39,239
there and they'd be like this and like this, you know,

885
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:43,760
and I would just chuckle to myself and go, they

886
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,920
they're having a good time. They think they're their body.

887
01:02:47,039 --> 01:02:52,599
I didn't never said anything to them. But until we really,

888
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:56,039
you know, go through the awakening process, we think that

889
01:02:56,119 --> 01:02:59,599
we are our personality. We think there were our body,

890
01:03:00,199 --> 01:03:02,719
and we think are our minds. You know, we think

891
01:03:02,719 --> 01:03:07,159
we're all these things that were not, so why do

892
01:03:07,239 --> 01:03:09,880
we come here? Why do we come here? Being earth?

893
01:03:11,079 --> 01:03:13,599
We come here to find out who we are? Not

894
01:03:15,559 --> 01:03:19,800
so it's a paradox, right, it's a paradox. I am

895
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:23,760
not that, I'm not that, I am not my body.

896
01:03:24,719 --> 01:03:27,159
But the body is not bad. See that's where I

897
01:03:27,239 --> 01:03:30,719
really depart. A lot of people in the New Age

898
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:34,239
and a lot of false teachings have really demonized these things,

899
01:03:34,239 --> 01:03:35,800
and they're not bad.

900
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:40,159
Speaker 1: Beautifully said Carol. Where can people find out more about

901
01:03:40,199 --> 01:03:41,719
you and the amazing work you're doing in the world.

902
01:03:42,079 --> 01:03:47,039
Speaker 2: My website is Soul Visions, that's plural Visions, soul Visions

903
01:03:47,239 --> 01:03:52,880
dot net. I'm also on Facebook Instagram. You'll see the

904
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:57,320
Facebook and Instagram links on the homepage on my website.

905
01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:02,000
All of my books are available on Amazon and Kindle,

906
01:04:02,199 --> 01:04:08,280
Marnes Andoble, Collectivelink dot com. Yeah, but you will not

907
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:13,360
get an autographed copy through Amazon. You can only get

908
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:18,079
that on my website, my little plug for an autographed copy,

909
01:04:18,119 --> 01:04:21,159
because I can't beat Amazon's prices.

910
01:04:21,159 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 1: Right, of course, not, of course not. And is there

911
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:26,679
any final messages you would like to get the audience

912
01:04:26,719 --> 01:04:27,760
before we leave.

913
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:35,679
Speaker 2: Take time every day to feel the inner body, detached

914
01:04:35,719 --> 01:04:40,199
from out there. Five minutes a day, it will change

915
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:46,079
the quality, the very fabric of your life. When you

916
01:04:46,159 --> 01:04:49,599
become quiet, when you become still. It's not asking a lot.

917
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:52,159
Five minutes a day, or five minutes in the morning,

918
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:56,559
five minutes in the evening. It hasn't gone anywhere. That

919
01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:01,480
sacred place, that sacred anchor is right within you, Carol.

920
01:05:01,519 --> 01:05:03,719
Speaker 1: It has been a pleasure speaking to you today. Thank

921
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:05,880
you so much for all the work you've done over

922
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:10,880
these last thirty plus years, work and helping awaken the planet.

923
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,920
So I appreciate you, my dear, thank you, my pleasure.

924
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:19,360
Thank you for spending this sacred time with us today.

925
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