1 00:00:02,359 --> 00:00:07,719 Speaker 1: You're listening to Petlife Radio dot com. 2 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 2: Welcome to Animal Rights on pet Life Radio. I'm your 3 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:15,599 host as always, Timlink really pleased to be here today. 4 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,320 We've got an exciting show again today, so I want 5 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,280 to thank everybody for joining us. My guest today is 6 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:25,239 award winning journalist and author John Zeeman. John's here to 7 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,839 talk to us about his recently released book, Dog Walks Man, 8 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:33,240 a Six Legged Odyssey. Really great book. It's it's humorous, 9 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,359 it's thoughtful, it's an absorbing narrative, and you know, it 10 00:00:36,399 --> 00:00:39,000 deals sort of with you know, everything with dogs. But 11 00:00:39,079 --> 00:00:41,880 also we're talking about sort of a metaphysical joys of 12 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,039 just the simple task of walking your dog. And I 13 00:00:45,079 --> 00:00:47,359 think people sometimes often feel that walking the dog is 14 00:00:47,359 --> 00:00:48,840 a little bit of a chore. So we're gonna teach 15 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:50,840 me maybe a little bit about how to actually enjoy 16 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:54,479 it and actually tap into your inner consciousness there. So 17 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,039 it's gonna be it's gonna be really cool. So we 18 00:00:56,079 --> 00:00:58,880 look forward to talking to John. But before we get started, 19 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:00,439 you know, I always like to leave you some help, 20 00:01:00,479 --> 00:01:02,799 will hints, tidbits, things in the news, things I think 21 00:01:02,799 --> 00:01:05,560 they're interesting, and hopefully you'll find them interesting. As well, 22 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,719 and today I'd like to talk to you about Remind 23 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,040 my Pet service, Remind my Pet service, and that's a 24 00:01:12,079 --> 00:01:14,719 great little service that has started. You know, if you're 25 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,159 like me, sometimes it's difficult to remember everything that you 26 00:01:18,159 --> 00:01:20,519 need to do in a given day. For me, if 27 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:22,680 it's not written down somewhere, or if it's not posted 28 00:01:22,719 --> 00:01:26,000 on a sticky note, I'll never remember it. So if 29 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,560 you've ever found yourself in a difficult to remember situation 30 00:01:29,799 --> 00:01:32,959 when it's time to give your pet his or her 31 00:01:33,079 --> 00:01:36,879 next dose of medication, that's where remind my Pet will 32 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,439 come into play. It's great solution, great service. Give you 33 00:01:40,439 --> 00:01:42,719 a little bit of detail about it. There's a website 34 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,959 where you can register your pets medication requirements and remind 35 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:50,200 my Pet will send you a text or email reminder 36 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,799 the day it is due, so once you're registered, you 37 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,560 don't have to remember anything else. They contact you to 38 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,719 give you your reminder and you can get your fluffy 39 00:01:58,799 --> 00:02:01,680 or your spot all sco wear it away, so you 40 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,640 can now, you know, save a tree, save some sticky notes, 41 00:02:04,719 --> 00:02:08,159 you know, have someone else do all the work. So 42 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:11,000 the service called Remind my Pet. For more information about 43 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,560 Remind my Pet, service. You can go to my blog, 44 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,360 the Animal Rights Blog on pet Life Radio pet Life 45 00:02:16,479 --> 00:02:20,080 radio dot com. Click on the link to the website 46 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,479 to the blog, and while you're at it, remember to 47 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:28,159 request your free emergency Save my Pet stickers from Remind 48 00:02:28,159 --> 00:02:30,199 my Pet as well, so they'll give you some freebies 49 00:02:30,199 --> 00:02:32,000 and you post those on all your windows and doors 50 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:33,800 to make sure that you keep your pet nice and 51 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,800 safe in case of emergency. So that's my little help 52 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,159 will hint. For today's Remind my Pet. Go to the 53 00:02:39,199 --> 00:02:41,719 Animal Rights Blog on pet Life Radio's pet Life Radio 54 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,560 dot com. 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Give 101 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:40,720 yourself the gift of knowledge on demand every week right 102 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,639 here at pet Life Radio with me Raquel Win and 103 00:05:43,759 --> 00:05:51,600 Win with Dogs. 104 00:05:52,199 --> 00:05:57,199 Speaker 7: Let's talk pets on petlife Radio dot com. 105 00:05:57,439 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Animal Rights on pet Life Radio. Thanks 106 00:06:00,399 --> 00:06:03,000 for joining me today. I got an exciting guest with 107 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,600 a great new book out joining me today as award 108 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,240 winning journalist and author John Zeemany. And John has recently 109 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:12,839 released his book Dog Walks Man, a six Legged Odyssey. 110 00:06:13,319 --> 00:06:15,920 So John, Welcome to Animal Rights on pet Life Radio. 111 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 8: Thanks Tim. Glad to be here. 112 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 2: Oh we're glad to have you. Now, this is an 113 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,560 exciting new book. I love the perspective because we're not 114 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,759 only talking about our wonderful dogs, and we're talking about 115 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,879 the benefits and everything about walking your dog and what 116 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:30,519 you should do, but also a little bit about the 117 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,360 joys behind it and some of the things that you 118 00:06:33,399 --> 00:06:36,480 should really take advantage of when you're out walking the dog. 119 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:38,519 So tell us a little bit about the book, and hey, 120 00:06:38,519 --> 00:06:39,519 he came about to write it. 121 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 8: I began walking my dogs about twenty years ago, and 122 00:06:46,319 --> 00:06:49,199 I was at the time. I was a new father 123 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:54,720 and new also to the suburbs, having moved to a 124 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,519 suburb of New York City from the city and a 125 00:06:58,639 --> 00:07:02,759 very different kind of hborhood. We've lived in a loft 126 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:07,160 former zipper factory actually, and had moved to a suburb 127 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:12,639 for the kids, and they wanted a dog. And so 128 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:17,879 after trying out a succession of smaller easier to care for, 129 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:25,160 it seemed to us at the time pets. Having very 130 00:07:25,199 --> 00:07:31,120 small pets can be more traumatic, given that you know, 131 00:07:31,759 --> 00:07:36,199 so many of them seemed to meet terrible ends. The 132 00:07:36,279 --> 00:07:40,240 Gerbils would eat their babies and so on. So finally 133 00:07:40,279 --> 00:07:44,120 we decided we needed a real pet that was sort 134 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:47,000 of on the same scale, lived on the same level 135 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,160 that we did. And we got a dog, a standard poodle, 136 00:07:50,959 --> 00:07:54,800 and in the beginning, everybody was expected to share in 137 00:07:55,399 --> 00:07:57,680 the care of the animal. I think that's a very 138 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:02,560 typical thing that families start out with those kinds of intentions. 139 00:08:02,959 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 2: That's right, kids, if we get you a dog, you're 140 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,160 going to take care of it, right. Oh yes, yes, yes, all. 141 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 8: The kids cerewana and they did do. They would help 142 00:08:10,959 --> 00:08:12,839 to feed it, and they would take it out on 143 00:08:12,879 --> 00:08:18,279 them walks. But once the novelty wears off, and kids 144 00:08:18,319 --> 00:08:21,399 nowadays are very busy, they have these very scheduled lives, 145 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:27,879 and I became by default the family dog walker, and 146 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:35,000 it started a series of discoveries where totally unexpectedly, this 147 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,399 activity became a bigger and bigger part of my life. 148 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,879 I wasn't a retired person with nothing else to do. 149 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:49,200 I had and have a very rewarding job as an 150 00:08:49,279 --> 00:08:53,320 art critic, and I get to go to museums in 151 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,960 the day and look at paintings and write about that. 152 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:03,360 So I had outside interests, so to speak. But nevertheless, 153 00:09:03,519 --> 00:09:06,960 this seeming task or chore sort of crept up on 154 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:11,200 me as something in a kind of a sneaky way. 155 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:16,159 It became more and more interesting, and in the beginning, 156 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:22,519 I think it's more like a kind The first thing 157 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:26,240 it reminded me of, I guess, is childhood, because for 158 00:09:26,279 --> 00:09:28,799 the first time in a long time, I was regularly 159 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:34,399 going out with no particular purpose really or direction. I 160 00:09:34,399 --> 00:09:36,399 mean it was purpose was to take the dog and 161 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,600 take care of its needs, but beyond that we could 162 00:09:39,639 --> 00:09:42,840 go anywhere or stay out as long as we wanted. 163 00:09:43,039 --> 00:09:47,120 And it was that sort of aimlessness, that sense of 164 00:09:47,279 --> 00:09:54,720 doing having unexpected experiences, unplanned things that reminded me of 165 00:09:54,799 --> 00:09:57,399 when I was a kid and you would just go out. 166 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,639 And when you're with a dog, the dog has a 167 00:10:00,759 --> 00:10:06,279 kind of juvenile nature. Dogs are very fun, loving and curious. 168 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:10,799 They're like kids in a way, and so that spirit 169 00:10:10,919 --> 00:10:16,200 is infectious and you find yourself getting as excited in 170 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:20,759 a way, not as visibly perhaps with the dog. When 171 00:10:20,799 --> 00:10:23,960 you tell a dog it's going out, they they practically 172 00:10:24,039 --> 00:10:28,679 turn themselves inside out. And it's just but that is 173 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,840 there's something you know that communicates to you, and you 174 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,879 find yourself you know this is going to be something. 175 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,960 You know. They're so certain that you're going to have 176 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:45,080 this experience, experience something an adventure, so to speak. But 177 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,320 I think then I began to realize that I was 178 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:53,200 sort of connecting with a with an ancient relationship that 179 00:10:53,919 --> 00:11:00,000 when people formed this partnership with dogs in the very 180 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:04,200 beginning in prehistory, it wasn't about sitting around in in 181 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,399 your you know, in your cave, surrounded by all your 182 00:11:07,519 --> 00:11:12,240 creature comforts and petting your dog at your side. It 183 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:16,639 was really about going out and whether it was to 184 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,360 hunt in and the dog, with its superior sense of 185 00:11:20,399 --> 00:11:24,639 smell and its hearing UH, added to the to the 186 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:28,120 you made, you know, extended the senses of the hunter 187 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:34,559 and finding game and tracking and treeing animals in UH, 188 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:39,559 later in domess hurting domesticated animals, or pulling sleds, or 189 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:46,320 or guarding the home or even fighting. UH. They had jobs. 190 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:50,240 And but at the beginning, the basis of all these 191 00:11:50,399 --> 00:11:53,200 jobs that dogs do was that you went out, you 192 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:59,840 left the den. And that also reflects an instinctive behavior 193 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:05,960 in dogs that people observe the behavior of wolves in 194 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,000 the wild. They'll go out several times a day just 195 00:12:09,039 --> 00:12:13,039 the reconnoiter, not necessarily to go hunting. Or to look 196 00:12:13,159 --> 00:12:16,919 for a mate, but just to walk around their territories, 197 00:12:16,919 --> 00:12:19,639 see what happened, what the storm did last night. 198 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, just to sort of be in the moment and 199 00:12:21,639 --> 00:12:23,639 get in touch with the world. 200 00:12:24,279 --> 00:12:29,639 Speaker 8: Well, that's it's adaptive to know what's out there and 201 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,799 how that environment may have changed, and who's been by 202 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,080 which dogs are very good at. So so I've you know, 203 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:41,480 this feeling of sort of of connection that the dog 204 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,720 and I we're doing something that felt right in going out, 205 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,320 and then I felt much closer to my dog when 206 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,120 I was out than I did in the house. I 207 00:12:51,159 --> 00:12:55,039 think because in the house the dog is so clueless 208 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:59,679 really about so many things a dog can't really. I mean, people, 209 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,000 I think like to imagine that they're doing can do 210 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,960 all these things with them and watch television and look 211 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,039 at the computer and so on. But I think the 212 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,559 truth is that that that they don't. They're they're they're 213 00:13:11,639 --> 00:13:15,159 not privy to phone conversations and they have I don't 214 00:13:15,159 --> 00:13:17,399 think any idea what you're doing when you're either talking 215 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:21,200 on the phone, or if you sit and talk on 216 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,360 the phone and you get mad and you yell at somebody, 217 00:13:23,759 --> 00:13:27,639 as I did once h a store clerk about something, 218 00:13:27,639 --> 00:13:29,519 and I looked at my dog was under the table. 219 00:13:29,919 --> 00:13:32,240 Because of course they don't see anyone else in the room. 220 00:13:33,519 --> 00:13:35,039 Speaker 2: They figure it's got to be them. 221 00:13:35,879 --> 00:13:39,039 Speaker 8: So you get out and you put all those electronic devices, 222 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,679 hopefully I mean less nowadays people bring them. But you're 223 00:13:42,759 --> 00:13:46,159 leaving a lot behind, and you're leaving your human life, 224 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,799 much of it behind as well, and all the concerns 225 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,480 that go with that, the things you have to do 226 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,559 your job, and the bills and some of you're You're 227 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:59,799 out in this much more innocent kind of exploratory activity. 228 00:14:00,159 --> 00:14:04,000 And in my case, being new both to the suburbs 229 00:14:04,639 --> 00:14:09,080 in general and in to my particular neighborhood, I was 230 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,840 ready for this exploration. We were. And of course you 231 00:14:12,919 --> 00:14:16,200 meet people, and you see late at night, you see 232 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:20,360 how many animals live right in your neighborhood that you 233 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,399 might not notice, for the raccoons and the possums, and 234 00:14:25,879 --> 00:14:28,679 even the foxes or deer depending on where you live, 235 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,399 and all kinds of things begin. You see things, and 236 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,759 that I think is the most important. And maybe because 237 00:14:34,759 --> 00:14:42,039 I'm an art critic, seeing new things and sensitivity to 238 00:14:42,679 --> 00:14:47,639 landscapes and made me very receptive to this. But I 239 00:14:47,639 --> 00:14:51,240 think it's there for anybody if you want to pay attention. 240 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,480 And pretty soon I just found that there were so 241 00:14:55,559 --> 00:14:58,279 many things in my life that were tied up with 242 00:14:58,399 --> 00:15:05,399 this activity, getting most of my exercise from it. I 243 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,960 was getting some of my best thinking done. I'd be 244 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,879 out in the morning and ideas once I got walking 245 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,399 and we were out, and this sense of being alive, 246 00:15:14,639 --> 00:15:18,360 and suddenly I would figure out some problem that I've 247 00:15:18,399 --> 00:15:21,799 been working on, something to do with my job or whatever. 248 00:15:21,919 --> 00:15:24,200 You step away from your life and you get a 249 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:29,720 perspective on it and you enter this zone. I guess, 250 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:34,559 this state of mind that you return to, and I 251 00:15:34,639 --> 00:15:42,879 began to look for while there places nearby. You began 252 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,279 to get tired. Once you've dog walked for a while, 253 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,399 you want to get somewhere. You want to let your 254 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:53,600 dog free, if possible. You don't want to just go 255 00:15:53,679 --> 00:15:57,120 around the block over and over again, Like I remember 256 00:15:57,799 --> 00:16:00,440 writing in the book and thinking to myself time it's 257 00:16:00,519 --> 00:16:03,600 like on a monopoly board. It can get very tedious 258 00:16:03,679 --> 00:16:07,320 if you don't exercise a little imagination and give yourself 259 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:11,919 to that sense of adventure. And so in my case, 260 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,919 that's why I guess the book is called an odyssey 261 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,879 because it was about traveling through a series of what 262 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:23,960 I call fringe places, places that are every town or 263 00:16:24,399 --> 00:16:28,159 wherever you live, there are these little pockets left and 264 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:29,960 fewer than there were when I was a kid, but 265 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:32,639 almost little places that you sought out when you were 266 00:16:32,639 --> 00:16:37,120 a kid, that woulds behind the shopping center, the abandoned lot, 267 00:16:37,279 --> 00:16:40,159 the place where you could go and build a hut maybe, 268 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,519 or play war games, or make a dam, and some 269 00:16:43,639 --> 00:16:47,759 little stream that those kinds of places are the same 270 00:16:47,799 --> 00:16:50,600 places you go looking for as a dog walker, because 271 00:16:50,639 --> 00:16:53,080 you can let your dog loops there. You're a little outside. 272 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,320 Just like as a kid, you get away from your 273 00:16:56,080 --> 00:17:00,960 parental supervision, you went outside the you're alone in this 274 00:17:01,799 --> 00:17:05,759 fringy place, and so you go there as a dog walker. 275 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,720 You can let your dog go and a much more 276 00:17:09,799 --> 00:17:15,519 natural condition for walking. I never really took to the leash. 277 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,359 They always say dog You know all this part I 278 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,000 never got into. This is not the kind of book 279 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:22,599 you can read to find out how to make your 280 00:17:22,599 --> 00:17:25,960 dog heal or how to be happy you're walking together 281 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:28,160 on a leash necessarily. 282 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is more about getting back in touch with 283 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:34,079 the world, the nature around you, and your animal get 284 00:17:34,079 --> 00:17:35,759 in touch with them as well. Well, John, we're going 285 00:17:35,799 --> 00:17:37,119 to go to a quick commercial break, but I want 286 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:38,359 to come back to you and talk to you a 287 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:39,680 little bit about that. But I also want to talk 288 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,079 about the some of the other books that you've written 289 00:17:42,079 --> 00:17:44,039 and how this one may be a little bit different 290 00:17:44,039 --> 00:17:46,880 in the process of writing it. 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Now, John, we were talking right 332 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,559 before the break about how, you know, we with going 333 00:20:22,559 --> 00:20:24,240 out with our dog, whether we're talking about walking them 334 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:25,559 on a leash or getting them out and let him 335 00:20:25,599 --> 00:20:28,400 run about. You know, it really gives us the opportunity 336 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,160 to get back in touch with with nature, find all 337 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,079 these unique places like you had mentioned with when we 338 00:20:34,079 --> 00:20:36,480 were children, we found all these wonderful little hiding places 339 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,480 that our parents didn't know about, and they sort of 340 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,680 made our own little kingdom. How did your dog come 341 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,799 into play with that? I mean, does your dog enjoy 342 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,240 finding those little fringe places and help you locate those 343 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:47,119 places as well? 344 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 8: Well? They can? I think in my case, it was 345 00:20:51,319 --> 00:20:55,440 just getting tired of the leash and thinking about it 346 00:20:55,559 --> 00:20:58,240 a little bit and being willing to put a little 347 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,240 more effort into you know, where could we go and 348 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,079 thinking about, well, there's the woods I know about, and 349 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:05,960 maybe we'd have to put the dog in a car, 350 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,079 but that would be better, I think than what we 351 00:21:09,079 --> 00:21:12,720 were doing. And so it was really it's the dog's 352 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:16,160 enthusiasm for these places, the way they take to them 353 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,200 once you find them. But often I think it's human 354 00:21:18,279 --> 00:21:21,519 intelligence and the knowledge of a town or a place 355 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:26,000 that you rely on. And in my case, there was 356 00:21:26,079 --> 00:21:32,000 a small woods about seven blocks from my house that 357 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:36,839 only maybe fourteen acres are pretty small, hardly a real 358 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:41,759 not a forest or hardly a woods, but there was 359 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:45,359 enough of a woods that you could feel that you 360 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:49,119 were away, a little bit away from civilization. And we 361 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:53,079 would walk through these trails and some when they created 362 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,359 this place and they called it a nature area, they 363 00:21:55,400 --> 00:22:00,599 made more trails than you really needed, just but it 364 00:22:01,559 --> 00:22:05,759 increased the complexity the possible paths you could take. And anyway, 365 00:22:05,799 --> 00:22:09,440 we trapsed around that place for about five years, and 366 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:16,480 from there I discovered there was where I lived in 367 00:22:16,559 --> 00:22:19,000 New Jersey. We were right at the edge of the 368 00:22:19,039 --> 00:22:23,200 northern end of the New Jersey Meadowlands, which is enjoys 369 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:31,759 a kind of notorious reputation where gangsters would you know, 370 00:22:32,279 --> 00:22:37,519 finish off their rivals and people would dump toxic chemicals 371 00:22:37,599 --> 00:22:40,319 and you know, and there was a lot of that, 372 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,680 but not so much where we are, although there had 373 00:22:43,759 --> 00:22:47,079 been dumping, and years ago it had been used as 374 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,960 a landfill, and then the landfill had been capped, and 375 00:22:50,039 --> 00:22:52,440 you know, you've seen those places where they you know, 376 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,160 they put a big layer of dirt over and then 377 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,160 you know, it sometimes looks sort of like a mound 378 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,200 where we were because it had started out as the 379 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:06,519 meadowlands are naturally marshy and swampy, it had just everything 380 00:23:06,559 --> 00:23:10,240 had kind of sunk down, I guess, and so what 381 00:23:10,319 --> 00:23:16,160 you saw was fields and still some marshy areas. But 382 00:23:16,279 --> 00:23:21,039 because of the reputation, nobody in town went near the place. 383 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:26,680 And yet it was huge. We're in a very densely 384 00:23:27,759 --> 00:23:31,440 populated area in northern New Jersey and a mile or 385 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,279 so from the George Washington Bridge, one of the busiest, 386 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,839 the busiest carbridge in the world, I think, and here 387 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,279 was this little wilderness, as it turned out to be, 388 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:47,599 that was kind of like the enchanted forest in a story, 389 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,799 or the forbidden forest, the place in the fairy tales 390 00:23:50,799 --> 00:23:53,319 where you're not supposed to go there. And for ten years, 391 00:23:54,039 --> 00:23:58,160 like everybody else in town, I just kind of ignored it. 392 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,480 But one day I got the idea. I think I 393 00:24:00,519 --> 00:24:02,559 heard some kids and motorbikes were in there, and I 394 00:24:02,599 --> 00:24:05,079 never realized that there was enough solid ground in there 395 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,680 that you could do that. And I got curious and 396 00:24:10,079 --> 00:24:14,960 we crossed over this little stream or canal to get 397 00:24:15,799 --> 00:24:18,039 I had to walk on a plank just like a kid, 398 00:24:18,319 --> 00:24:21,079 and then we were in there. And this turned out 399 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,359 to be a kind of a paradise for us, because 400 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,559 it had been left alone for so long that it 401 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,960 had really reverted to a natural, almost kind of primeval place. 402 00:24:32,079 --> 00:24:35,640 It was wilder than any nature area I've ever been 403 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,680 to because nobody was managing it. What grew there was 404 00:24:39,799 --> 00:24:44,079 just what grew naturally, and nobody was trimming it. Nobody 405 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,039 was taking out the fallen trees or doing any of 406 00:24:47,039 --> 00:24:49,640 that kind of maintenance work that keeps or putting chips 407 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,359 and cutting trails or anything like that. When trails were 408 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,480 sort of there because people stomped down the reeds. And 409 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,880 I found that it was possible to to get lost 410 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,599 in there, and that was a kind of a wonderful 411 00:25:03,839 --> 00:25:08,440 feeling in a way, not literally lost in that they 412 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,119 thought I wouldn't get out, not knowing exactly where I was. 413 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,480 I could hear the hum of the New Jersey Turnpike 414 00:25:15,079 --> 00:25:19,640 but I and my dog was in heaven because the 415 00:25:19,839 --> 00:25:23,319 place was filled with animals living wild lives, and he 416 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,119 was raising them all these little Kirby trails and dogs. 417 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:31,400 I discovered love a path or a trail, And there's 418 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:35,400 a chapter in my book just about the joy of 419 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,000 being on the trail, on a path with your dog, 420 00:25:38,079 --> 00:25:41,519 and the running ahead of you and coming around the bend. 421 00:25:41,559 --> 00:25:44,160 And there was a place we used to come to. 422 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,279 It was a little pool of kind of like a waterhole, 423 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:53,880 we called it. And my dog because there were attracted animals. 424 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:58,200 There would often be a heron there's something waiting in there, 425 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,000 or an animal or a muskrat, or there was often 426 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,759 something there, and my dog would I'd always be hurrying 427 00:26:05,799 --> 00:26:08,279 off trying to catch up to my dog because he 428 00:26:08,319 --> 00:26:10,920 would get there ahead of me, and I'd get there 429 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,240 and I'd see just these sort of spreading rings on 430 00:26:13,279 --> 00:26:17,640 the water or some rustling in the brush, and I 431 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,240 would miss it. And I became very intent on trying to, 432 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:26,799 you know, experiencing this this wild place, and it gave 433 00:26:26,799 --> 00:26:30,920 me this great feeling of to be out there exploring 434 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:36,319 and seeing, say a fox. I remember how founded I 435 00:26:36,519 --> 00:26:40,680 was to's just see a fox out rising chasing another animal, 436 00:26:40,799 --> 00:26:42,759 and it was just like, you know, I realized that 437 00:26:42,799 --> 00:26:46,720 here right by my house, these experiences that people imagine 438 00:26:46,799 --> 00:26:51,400 that you have to travel hundreds of miles to have, 439 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,680 or to go way out to Yosemite or something, that 440 00:26:54,799 --> 00:26:56,640 I could have this and nobody at town. It was 441 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,319 like an open secret there. It was anybody could go there, 442 00:26:59,319 --> 00:27:01,440 but people didn't know it. And without a dog, I 443 00:27:01,519 --> 00:27:05,400 never would have done that. And one thing led to another. 444 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,960 Pretty soon I had a companion, the king, who I 445 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,599 had told about some of my experiences, and even though 446 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,160 he didn't have a dog, he wanted to come just 447 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,920 for the exercise and the conversation. And so one thing 448 00:27:18,039 --> 00:27:21,839 leads to another, and it all seems to come back 449 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,400 to this what started out as this very simple chore. 450 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:32,000 And I, you know, eventually my kids grew up. I 451 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,839 no longer had the excuse of being the dutiful father, 452 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:39,359 but I had become attached. This had become this essential 453 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,000 thing in my life that I had to do. And 454 00:27:41,039 --> 00:27:43,480 so as my first dog died, and that you know, 455 00:27:43,519 --> 00:27:46,200 it was very sad, and as we got to the 456 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,519 point where he really didn't want to go out, especially 457 00:27:49,519 --> 00:27:51,559 in the winter, and I was the one that needed 458 00:27:51,559 --> 00:27:53,960 to go out now, and I can remember trying to 459 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,319 coax him and I got ramps to get him into 460 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,680 the car and ways that we could continue to do 461 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,759 this activity. We had gotten a second dog by this time. 462 00:28:03,839 --> 00:28:06,640 It kind of rejuvenated the older dog for a number 463 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,880 of years, but eventually time catches up the dogs too fast. 464 00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:11,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, unfortunately. 465 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 8: So I have now the second dog that I got 466 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:20,480 when he was alive, and and now a third as 467 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,160 his companion. So I've gotten used to having two dogs, 468 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,599 which really makes it important to kind of get out 469 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,400 somewhere where you can get away from the leash, because 470 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,519 it's not walking two dogs on a leaf. 471 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 2: Keep dog. 472 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,839 Speaker 8: I've seen neighbors of mine, you know, the father, you know, 473 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,400 with the dog entangling the leash around these legs because 474 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,720 people have those expandable leashes now and they look like 475 00:28:43,759 --> 00:28:45,640 they're doing some kind of lassuse trick. 476 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 2: Exactly now, John, real quick, We got a couple more 477 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,640 minutes here. But I want to ask you, know you 478 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,200 you've also written the series of children's books, and you 479 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,119 have a book on for young adults. How is the 480 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,160 process of writing this book different from writing for children 481 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:02,599 and for young adults. 482 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,519 Speaker 8: Well, it was much harder in the sense that for 483 00:29:05,559 --> 00:29:08,240 the longest time I wasn't really sure what kind of 484 00:29:08,319 --> 00:29:12,839 book this was. And I had read a few dog books, 485 00:29:12,839 --> 00:29:14,359 but I didn't really want to read a lot of 486 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,720 dog books because I didn't think that my book was 487 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,400 like that exactly, because it was more about It wasn't 488 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,480 focused essentially on the dog, but what the world that 489 00:29:23,559 --> 00:29:26,319 a dog brought you into, in this world that the 490 00:29:26,359 --> 00:29:30,839 two of you shared, right, And so it wasn't like 491 00:29:31,279 --> 00:29:34,160 the book that really tells the story of the relationship 492 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,359 with the dog. And I didn't like I didn't want 493 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,240 to answer morphize and try to turn my dog into 494 00:29:39,319 --> 00:29:42,839 a person, because what I like about my dogs are 495 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,559 those qualities that are different from humans. So I didn't 496 00:29:46,559 --> 00:29:49,759 know what kind of book it was, and it was 497 00:29:49,839 --> 00:29:51,920 to tell you the truth I was most I found 498 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,160 that it had the most in common with books about 499 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,640 fishing and people who discover through fishing, who kind of 500 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,119 get beyond all the you know, I'm going to catch 501 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,039 the biggest fish or so on, and there's some spiritual 502 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,880 like you know, a river runs through it, a kind 503 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,039 of a spiritual feeling enters into it exactly and it's 504 00:30:12,079 --> 00:30:14,440 more about what they see in nature and what they 505 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,319 feel out there than how many fish they catch. And 506 00:30:17,359 --> 00:30:20,480 it's you know, it's a kind of a meditative thing. 507 00:30:20,519 --> 00:30:23,720 And dog walking is something that happens twice a day 508 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,920 actually fits a pattern that if you've ever been told 509 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,039 by a doctor or somebody or wanted to try a 510 00:30:30,119 --> 00:30:35,759 relaxation exercise or to meditate, or they'll tell you half 511 00:30:35,799 --> 00:30:37,720 hour in the morning and a half hour in the evening. 512 00:30:38,119 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. 513 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 8: What do you know that's that's the dog. 514 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,279 Speaker 2: That's the dog walk. Yeah, exactly. Now, I tell people 515 00:30:43,279 --> 00:30:46,720 all the time when we talk about you going into meditation, 516 00:30:46,839 --> 00:30:48,119 a lot of people think that you have to set 517 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:52,240 their legs crossing, a lotus position, chanting. But one of 518 00:30:52,279 --> 00:30:53,920 the best ways to do it is to go out 519 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,000 with your dog, go out for a dog walk, mix 520 00:30:56,039 --> 00:30:57,640 it up a little bit, go to those new places, 521 00:30:57,799 --> 00:30:59,680 and it really just clears your mind and lets you 522 00:30:59,759 --> 00:31:02,640 think of things that it just all becomes clear at 523 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:03,000 that point. 524 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,799 Speaker 8: Meditation was always too hard for me to tell you 525 00:31:05,839 --> 00:31:07,240 the truth of the idea that I would have to 526 00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:10,160 clear my mind of my thoughts, and I was always 527 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,920 sort of chasing my tail when I was trying to meditate, 528 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:18,279 but being out having it's like Western style meditation perhaps, 529 00:31:18,319 --> 00:31:20,960 but it does make you pay attention and you do. 530 00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:22,599 Speaker 2: See things that's right. 531 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,079 Speaker 8: That's the work, and I think that's that's a form 532 00:31:25,119 --> 00:31:30,079 of attention, learning how to read, center yourself. And there's 533 00:31:30,119 --> 00:31:32,319 a great sense of well being that you get from it. 534 00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and that's what you're gonna learn when you read 535 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,079 Dog Walks Man. That's why you know. I think the 536 00:31:37,119 --> 00:31:40,359 great thing about the book it gets you connected with dogs. 537 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,519 We always love to hear stories about dogs. More importantly, 538 00:31:42,599 --> 00:31:46,160 get you reconnected with the earth, the world around you, 539 00:31:46,279 --> 00:31:49,279 and your inner self. The books available everywhere, but you 540 00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:51,480 can also go to John Zeman dot com it's j 541 00:31:51,559 --> 00:31:54,920 O H N z E A M A n. Or 542 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,200 as always can go to pat Life Radio dot com 543 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,799 click on the animal rights tab and will lead you 544 00:31:59,839 --> 00:32:02,039 to the book as well. So John, I want to 545 00:32:02,039 --> 00:32:03,799 thank you for coming on the show today. It's a 546 00:32:03,839 --> 00:32:08,160 great book. Congratulations. I wish you the very best and 547 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,000 keep us posted on all those wonderful journeys and odyssees 548 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,119 that you go on. It's never thanks ever and you're welcome. 549 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,799 You're welcome. So we're coming to the end of the 550 00:32:18,799 --> 00:32:21,240 show today. I want to thank once again everybody for 551 00:32:21,519 --> 00:32:24,079 listening to Animal Rights on pet Life Radio. I also 552 00:32:24,119 --> 00:32:26,319 want to thank John Zeman for coming on board. Pick 553 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,359 up a copy of his book, Dog Walks Man's Great 554 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,079 Book and get back in touch with your dog in 555 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,799 the world around you and to swellows your inner self. 556 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,119 So thanks to John Zemon for being on the show today. 557 00:32:36,359 --> 00:32:38,279 I want to thank all the sponsors and producers are 558 00:32:38,279 --> 00:32:41,200 putting on a fabulous show as usual. Now to find 559 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,559 out more about me and other guests that I've interviewed 560 00:32:43,599 --> 00:32:46,119 on the Animal Rights Show and stories, so you can 561 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,839 check it out by visiting my blog which is Animal 562 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,880 Rights and you can go to pet Life Radio petlife 563 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,839 radio dot com click on Animal Rights, read the blogs, 564 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,960 listen to the shows, listen to the other shows we've recorded, 565 00:32:57,319 --> 00:32:59,200 and while you're there, check out all the other hosts 566 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,799 and shows. The great cavalcade of interesting guests and hosts 567 00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:04,880 that we have on pet Life Radio and you can 568 00:33:05,119 --> 00:33:07,160 catch it all at pet life radio dot com. If 569 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,480 you have any questions, comments, or ideas for the show, 570 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,680 people that you'd like for me to interview on the show, 571 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,680 drop me a line you can drop me an email 572 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,920 at timat petlifradio dot com. It's Tim at petlife radio 573 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,359 dot com. Now I'll do my very best to answer 574 00:33:19,359 --> 00:33:22,240 your questions, entertain your comments, and get the people you 575 00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:25,480 want the most on the show. So until next time, 576 00:33:25,759 --> 00:33:27,680 write a great story about the animals in your life, 577 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,599 share it on a blog, article, or in a book, 578 00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:33,079 and who knows, you may be the next guest on 579 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,000 animal rights on pet Life Radio. Have a great day. 580 00:33:36,519 --> 00:33:41,599 Speaker 7: Let's talk pets every week on demand only on petlfradio 581 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:42,400 dot com. 582 00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 4: A constattag