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<v Speaker 1>In the quiet, farming city of Abbotsford, British Columbia, Canada,

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<v Speaker 1>no one expected evil to come lurking in the dark,

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<v Speaker 1>but in the fall of nineteen ninety five, that is

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what happened, when two teenage girls were brutally attacked

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<v Speaker 1>in an act so senseless and cruel it shattered the

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<v Speaker 1>community sense of safety overnight. What followed was a month's

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<v Speaker 1>long man hunt, a chilling game of cat and mouse,

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<v Speaker 1>and the unraveling of one of Canada's most disturbing true

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<v Speaker 1>crime cases. This is the story of the Abbotsford Killer.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked

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<v Speaker 2>and Grim, a.

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<v Speaker 1>True crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>The following material in mature Listener, What.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you say on a scale of one.

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<v Speaker 2>To ten, I was like a three, three to five

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<v Speaker 2>for how how much you still sound sick?

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<v Speaker 1>How much I still sound sick? It is a bit notous,

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<v Speaker 1>a little nasily kind of Is that?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe that's what it is?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Okay, Well I had a pretty bad cold hit

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<v Speaker 1>me a few days ago and we had to skip

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<v Speaker 1>last week's episode. Did But I'm here. I'm mostly better.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm better than I sound, I think and we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to get this cool case going well.

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<v Speaker 2>And thankfully I because I looked at what our last

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<v Speaker 2>case was and it was a part two. So thank

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<v Speaker 2>goodness this didn't happen in between a part one and

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<v Speaker 2>a part two.

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<v Speaker 1>People would have I would have been the subject of

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<v Speaker 1>our next case. I would have been yeah, in hot water.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I guess if it's good time to get sick,

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<v Speaker 2>that was good timing.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, silver lining, right, yeah, fair enough. So today's case

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<v Speaker 1>is actually one requested over on Patreon that's requested by Randall.

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<v Speaker 1>So shout out to Randall forgiving us this cool case.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't mean cool case.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the second time I said that, but you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean is case recommendation. There we go gonna

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<v Speaker 2>pique our interests.

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<v Speaker 1>You're on it today, you're on fire. But do you

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<v Speaker 1>know what else? There's people who are on fire out

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<v Speaker 1>there who signed up on our Patreon. Did you know

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<v Speaker 1>that those people out there who signed up, Yeah, they're wicked. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they're wicked. They're on fire. They're amazing. And their names

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<v Speaker 1>are j Megan Kristin, Morals, Richard Court Whitney, Melissa Kellogg,

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<v Speaker 1>and Katie Venturo. They're all on fire because they're amazing

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<v Speaker 1>and support us and join Patreon.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that's awesome, Thank you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like that was a very forced It's very formal.

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<v Speaker 2>It was yeah, okay, we did not rehearse that, though

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<v Speaker 2>it maybe sounded like we did, or it was just

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<v Speaker 2>awkward as shit. I don't know one or the other.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh well, I tried my best.

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<v Speaker 2>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna blame it on being sick. Still.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think we're both just over here not feeling

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent, so bear with us. But we're back

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<v Speaker 2>and it's gonna be good.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not feeling one hundred percent, but we're giving it

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<v Speaker 1>our hundred percent. That's all that matters, right, is that

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<v Speaker 1>you try.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, just.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't try too hard because no one likes to try hard,

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<v Speaker 1>But just try gosh song.

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<v Speaker 2>As you try your hardest, you can't be upset with yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I don't think you need to.

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<v Speaker 1>Try your hardest. I just think you need to try

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<v Speaker 1>your best. There you go, because there's a difference. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>the hardest is not what's needed. You just need to

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<v Speaker 1>try your best, you know. Yeah, trying too hard can

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<v Speaker 1>hurt you or someone else, But trying your best means

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<v Speaker 1>you have the good intentions at hand.

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<v Speaker 2>God the moral lesson today it is getting sappy. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't even know what to say.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just like, okay, how about we say let's just

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<v Speaker 1>get on with today's episode. How's that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a good plan. Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. It was on the night of Friday, October thirteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety five when something would happen in the Canadian

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<v Speaker 1>town of Abbotsford, British Columbia, something that would set into

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<v Speaker 1>motion a very large cat and most game between investigators

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<v Speaker 1>and a madman.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, it was a Friday the thirteenth. That's how

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<v Speaker 2>every true crime podcast should start.

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<v Speaker 1>Not only that, but it's of course in October as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's an October Friday the thirteenth.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So it all started with two teenage girls, sixteen year

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<v Speaker 1>old Tanya Smith and her close friend Misty Cockrel, who

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<v Speaker 1>were walking through their neighborhood after a small house party. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>without warning, a man burst out from behind some hedges

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<v Speaker 1>armed with a baseball bat, and in an instant, the

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<v Speaker 1>girls were ambushed. The attacker with a weapon in hand,

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<v Speaker 1>forced Tanya and Misty off the road and into a dark,

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<v Speaker 1>bushy area. Now, as panic set in, the man then

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<v Speaker 1>ordered them to remove their clothes. Now it was two

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<v Speaker 1>against one. Though yes, he was wielding a baseball bat

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<v Speaker 1>to you know, show he meant business. But in the terror,

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<v Speaker 1>as Tanya complied and began unbuttoning her shirt, Misty stopped.

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<v Speaker 1>She refused to go Quietly. She thought to herself, He's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna kill us, whether we listened to him or not, so,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, I might as well fight back. So

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<v Speaker 1>she did, even managing to actually grab the bat and

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<v Speaker 1>strike the assailant a little bit in this battle, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>call it in a desperate bid. Now, however, the attacker did,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, manage to get that bat back. He was

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<v Speaker 1>much stronger. He overpowered Misty and savagely beat her with

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<v Speaker 1>that bat, striking her head repeatedly over and over until

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<v Speaker 1>she blacked out.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, okay, this is savage he Now.

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<v Speaker 1>With Misty beaten unconscious, the attacker left her for dead

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<v Speaker 1>and turned his attention to Tanya. Alone and defenseless, she

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<v Speaker 1>suffered unspeakable violence at this man's hand. Now, incredibly speaking,

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<v Speaker 1>Misty eventually regained consciousness after this attack, but also after

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<v Speaker 1>the attacker had already fled. Now it was sometime in

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<v Speaker 1>the early hour of October fourteenth. As she slowly opened

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<v Speaker 1>her eyes, she was dazed and seriously hurt, but she

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<v Speaker 1>managed to get to her feet and stumble out of

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<v Speaker 1>the bushes and make her way to a nearby building,

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<v Speaker 1>which was Abbotsford Hospital. Severely wounded with multiple skull fractures,

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<v Speaker 1>this sixteen year old was rushed into emergency surgery, clinging

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<v Speaker 1>to her life. Now, police, of course, soon arrived on

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<v Speaker 1>the scene as hospital staff had called and reported the

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<v Speaker 1>injured girl who had just stumbled through their doors. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Misty was very incoherent and drifting in and out of consciousness,

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<v Speaker 1>but from her fragmented statements, police began to grasp the

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<v Speaker 1>horrors of what had actually just happened. She mumbled about

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<v Speaker 1>a man, a man with a bat, and how she

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<v Speaker 1>thought she was going to die now. Most chillingly, throughout

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<v Speaker 1>all this, Misty repeatedly begged for her friend, saying where's Tanya,

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<v Speaker 1>Where's Tanya? Over and over. Police immediately launched a search

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<v Speaker 1>to locate Tanya Smith. Officers combed around the area of

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<v Speaker 1>the attack site that they thought this took place on

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<v Speaker 1>foot and with dogs looking for any trace of the

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<v Speaker 1>missing girl, and unfortunately they found disturbingly little, no obvious

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<v Speaker 1>blood trail or weapon left behind. There was just nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>It seemed the attacker had taken Tanya with him, and

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<v Speaker 1>as dawn broke the desperate search extended beyond Abbotsford as

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<v Speaker 1>they knew they knew it was possible she may have

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<v Speaker 1>been taken out of the city.

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<v Speaker 2>That's pretty incredible of Misty that she is in this

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<v Speaker 2>kind of shape and still you know, so concerned about

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<v Speaker 2>her friend and like hoping she's safe and able to

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<v Speaker 2>give the police, I guess everything she has in order

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<v Speaker 2>to you know, hopefully find her friend.

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<v Speaker 1>For sure, the idea that she was, yeah, like most

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<v Speaker 1>in first and foremost like concerned for her friend's safety

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<v Speaker 1>in that state of mind more or less is incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's really good.

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<v Speaker 1>So that is a big thing going through this is

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<v Speaker 1>regardless of the situation she's in, she's willing to help

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<v Speaker 1>the police do the best of her her ability. So

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<v Speaker 1>major props to her for all of that. Now. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>later that morning, about twenty kilometers away, a fisherman made

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<v Speaker 1>a grim discovery on the banks of the Vetter River

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<v Speaker 1>near chilliwac he spotted clothing tangled in bushes along a

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<v Speaker 1>river path. The site of bloody clothes hanging in a tree, well,

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<v Speaker 1>it was enough for him to call police there on

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<v Speaker 1>the spot, and when investigators arrived, they followed the trail

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<v Speaker 1>of strung up clothes almost like kinda they were put

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<v Speaker 1>there on purpose, like.

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<v Speaker 2>A trail of sorts, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Like breadcrumbs leading someone somewhere. And as they followed these

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<v Speaker 1>clothes strung up in trees, sure enough they found a

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<v Speaker 1>body laying in the shallow waters of the cold river.

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<v Speaker 1>Immediately before they even know identified the remains, they had

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<v Speaker 1>an idea of who they had just found, as reports

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<v Speaker 1>of the missing girl had already circulated. They called the

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<v Speaker 1>Abbotsford Police for a photo of Tanya, and with that

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't take long to confirm the worst The victim was,

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<v Speaker 1>in fact Tanya Smith damn Hey, the bright and bubbly

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen year old who had simply been walking to a

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<v Speaker 1>party with her friend was now dead. Tanya was found

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<v Speaker 1>nude when she was pulled from the river. It appeared

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<v Speaker 1>the killer had attempted to destroy evidence by washing her

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<v Speaker 1>in the waters, and her autopsy later revealed that Tanya

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<v Speaker 1>had suffered severe blunt force trauma. She'd clearly been beaten

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<v Speaker 1>vicious with a blunt object, consistent with Misty's account of

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<v Speaker 1>a baseball bat being used. Now in fact, the beating

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<v Speaker 1>alone it was likely fatal. But tragically, Tanya was still

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<v Speaker 1>alive when she was dragged into the water. Her ultimate

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<v Speaker 1>cause of death was drowning.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh seriously, yeah, Oh my goodness. Okay, So okay, both

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<v Speaker 2>these girls I feel like, are just tough as shit

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<v Speaker 2>really for enduring everything that they went through and like

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<v Speaker 2>her ultimately was drowning.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. So they're pretty strong both for sure. So

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<v Speaker 1>for the investigators and the community, Tanya's murder was very

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<v Speaker 1>hard to digest. Abbotsford had never seen such a brutal crime,

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<v Speaker 1>and people were horrified that a violent predator capable of

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<v Speaker 1>this was on the loose. Police vowed to catch the

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<v Speaker 1>killer quickly, but they had very few leads to work with.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, Misty Cockrell, the sole survivor and witness to

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<v Speaker 1>the case, couldn't even help investigators because she had now

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<v Speaker 1>slipped into a coma following some brain surgery which left

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<v Speaker 1>her unable to assist. All authorities really knew was that

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<v Speaker 1>this perpetrator was extremely dangerous, that he might strike again

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<v Speaker 1>if not caught, and he was still on the loose.

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<v Speaker 1>So everyone got to work and forensic specialists began analyzing

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<v Speaker 1>the evidence available from Tanya's autopsy. They collected a vaginal

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<v Speaker 1>swab which confirmed what police suspected. Tanya had been sexually assaulted.

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<v Speaker 1>But this also meant that with seamen being recovered, it

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<v Speaker 1>gave investigators a chance to develop a DNA profile of

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<v Speaker 1>this attacker. However, in nineteen ninety five, DNA testing, while

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<v Speaker 1>it took time, it was in its infancy. Really potentially

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<v Speaker 1>weeks or even months is how long this could be

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<v Speaker 1>to process, and the results would be useless until a

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<v Speaker 1>suspect was identified for comparison. So they need DNA to

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<v Speaker 1>compare with this DNA basically, and if they don't have that,

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<v Speaker 1>all they have is, you know, an end on a trail,

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<v Speaker 1>nowhere to go from there.

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<v Speaker 2>So it helps like solidify if they catch the person.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, but it doesn't help find the person. So DNA

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<v Speaker 1>alone wasn't going to crack this case, let alone stopping

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<v Speaker 1>a potential another murder. Now, another disturbing piece of evidence

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<v Speaker 1>emerged from this autopsy, the medical examiner discovered a bitemark

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<v Speaker 1>on Tanya's body, specifically on her right breast. It appeared

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, that's disturbing as.

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<v Speaker 1>Shit right now, this gruesome detail. It was immediately classified

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<v Speaker 1>and it was held back for you know, for evidence

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<v Speaker 1>that the public wouldn't see. It was crucial information that

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<v Speaker 1>So if anyone came forward with that knowledge, or maybe

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<v Speaker 1>a killer brag, perhaps the police would be sure they

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<v Speaker 1>were chipped and crooked teeth, and even in alignment, it

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<v Speaker 1>was almost like a signature of a perpetrator's bite. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>right now and feel little imperfections that might be signatures

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<v Speaker 1>to our teeth as well. It was very same. It's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like a fingerprint, you know, identifying you and

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<v Speaker 1>what your teeth would look like. Investigators also tried to

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<v Speaker 1>comb the physical crime scene for clues. Now, they found

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<v Speaker 1>a spot they believed could have been the Abbotsford attack site.

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<v Speaker 1>They found what seemed to be signs of struggles in

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<v Speaker 1>the bush where they thought the girls could have been attacked.

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<v Speaker 1>But there were some footprints and broken vegetation. But that

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean an attack really, because this is a public

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<v Speaker 1>open space. It could have been anyone who had gone

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<v Speaker 1>through there and left those.

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<v Speaker 2>Marks, even someone walking a dog right.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly now, even it could be the crime scene, but

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<v Speaker 1>who's to say it hasn't been walked through since or

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<v Speaker 1>it's not even the spottle together Now over in Chiliwac,

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<v Speaker 1>at the location where Tanya's body had been dumped, police

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<v Speaker 1>discovered tire tracks near the remote river access point, as

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<v Speaker 1>well as a set of bootprints on the trail. Plaster

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<v Speaker 1>casts were made of both the tire impressions and the footprints,

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<v Speaker 1>just in case they ended up matching a suspects vehicle

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<v Speaker 1>or shoes later on. At this early stage, though, there

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<v Speaker 1>was no way of knowing if those tracks were left

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<v Speaker 1>by the killer or again another innocent person accessing the area.

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<v Speaker 1>They were merely potential clues filed away for future analysis. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>things were all over the place for this investigation. To

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<v Speaker 1>say the least, authorities were scrambling to find any real

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<v Speaker 1>clues to help point themselves towards the murderer. Then it

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<v Speaker 1>was just days after the killing had happened when the

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<v Speaker 1>case took an unexpected and very chilling turn. The killer

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness, I was not expecting that, But just

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<v Speaker 2>such an asshole move.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, like the arrogance, yeah, oh, trust me, this guy's

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<v Speaker 1>arrogance is uncomprehendible.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, I was just sitting here thinking he sure

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't really covering up any of his shit that he

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<v Speaker 2>was doing. But I guess maybe he didn't really care to.

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<v Speaker 2>If he's freaking calling the police.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, well you'll soon learn what he's all about, trust me.

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<v Speaker 1>It started with a phone call to the Abbotsford Police

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<v Speaker 1>Department's non emergency line. A male caller spoke with a

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<v Speaker 1>disturbing mix of smugness and menace in his voice. He

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<v Speaker 1>also claimed to have information about the murder and directed

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<v Speaker 1>officers to check out the area behind some trees near

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<v Speaker 1>a walkway as if guiding them to the actual crime scene.

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<v Speaker 1>When the police dispatcher pressed him on how he knew

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<v Speaker 1>of this spot, the man confessed outright, quote, I'm the killer,

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<v Speaker 1>and he to prove it, added a ghastly detail, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>her right nipple tasted pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, imagine having to speak to that person. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>no kidding, Oh, that just gives me the heavy gbs.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, this stomach turning statement, it sent a jolt

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<v Speaker 1>through the investigators. And rightfully, so, they're on the phone

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<v Speaker 1>with this guy, and this caller clearly knew about the

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<v Speaker 1>bite mark on Tani's body, something that was never released publicly,

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<v Speaker 1>so only the investigation team and the killer would know

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<v Speaker 1>it's there. So in that moment, they knew this was

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<v Speaker 1>not a prank caller. They knew this was the real

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<v Speaker 1>guy and he was calling to taunt them. So the

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<v Speaker 1>converseation continued, and it was laced with the man's creepy bravado.

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<v Speaker 1>He dared the police to catch him, sneering why don't

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<v Speaker 1>you try and catch me if you can, and boasting

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<v Speaker 1>that he was going to kill again. Soon police traced

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<v Speaker 1>the call to a payphone. In fact, it was one

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<v Speaker 1>that was outside a local Arena in Abbotsford, only a

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<v Speaker 1>few blocks away from the police station. Patrol cars raced

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<v Speaker 1>the phone booth within minutes of the call, getting there

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<v Speaker 1>as fast as they could, but the killer had already

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<v Speaker 1>ended the call and fled from the scene.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm sure he did. I also just have to say, though,

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<v Speaker 2>no one should be this confident.

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<v Speaker 1>Just you wait, okay, just you wait, because, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>it is uncomprehendible the metaphorical balls on this man. So

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<v Speaker 1>at the scene at that phone booth, forensic teams dusted

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<v Speaker 1>for prints or any sort of evidence left behind. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>he had clearly just been there holding the phone. But

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<v Speaker 1>when they dust and checked, there was nothing. No usable

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<v Speaker 1>fingerprints were recovered. But as they were dusting for those prints,

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<v Speaker 1>as they're sitting there processing the scene at that phone booth,

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<v Speaker 1>another call came into the police department. The voice on

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<v Speaker 1>the other end of the phone scoffed and said, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>do you think I'd be stupid enough to leave my

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<v Speaker 1>fingerprints behind when I make a phone call? He knew

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what they were doing. He was watching them and

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<v Speaker 1>mocking them.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, that is just okay. This guy is

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<v Speaker 2>a frickin' piece of shit.

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<v Speaker 1>But I want to highlight this, this statement from this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to highlight it because we will be coming

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<v Speaker 1>back to it. So I'm gonna say it one more time.

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<v Speaker 1>Quote do you think I'd be stupid enough to leave

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<v Speaker 1>my fingerprints behind when I make a phone call?

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<v Speaker 2>End?

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<v Speaker 1>Quote? It's a very important statement. We will come back

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<v Speaker 1>to that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, I do think this guy is stupid as shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Fair enough, so, the unknown man was clearly toying with

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<v Speaker 1>the authorities, deliberately relishing in it. Even and he hung

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<v Speaker 1>up before the second phone call could be traced. It

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<v Speaker 1>seems the killer was steps ahead, successfully pulling off a

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<v Speaker 1>very dangerous game of cat and mouse with the law enforcement.

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<v Speaker 1>And over the next few weeks, more calls would come in.

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<v Speaker 1>Each time this killer he would now be taunting investigators

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<v Speaker 1>just the same, with new threats and everything. In another call,

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<v Speaker 1>he laced with cackling laughter warnings about are you having

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<v Speaker 1>trouble finding the killer? I'm the one. I'll be driving

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<v Speaker 1>around looking for someone else, just to let you know

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<v Speaker 1>who I am. So he's, like I said, the proverbial

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<v Speaker 1>balls and he's pushing hard.

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<v Speaker 2>But here I was literally just thinking, Okay, well, this

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<v Speaker 2>is good that he's putting his effort into this rather

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<v Speaker 2>than hurting someone else.

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<v Speaker 1>But well, the thing is though, taunting them that with that,

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<v Speaker 1>he's saying he's going to hurt someone else's That's the

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<v Speaker 1>message he said them, he intends to attack again, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was enjoying this whole pursuit and the mocking. So

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<v Speaker 1>Abbotsford residents learning bits from this news report and everything,

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<v Speaker 1>they were terrified to this guy calling in and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>treating police like this, mocking them. He was an elusive

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<v Speaker 1>boogeyman to say he's out there seemingly at any point,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's brazen enough to taunt them like that. It

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<v Speaker 1>was enough to send a chill down everyone's spine. And

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<v Speaker 1>the effect of these tauntings, the calls, all of it,

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<v Speaker 1>it was profound on the community. The city of Abbotsford

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<v Speaker 1>had once prided itself on being a family friendly place

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<v Speaker 1>and safe enough to you know, have a family, little

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<v Speaker 1>farm in the area, but now it was trapped under

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<v Speaker 1>a state of fear. Women were afraid to go out

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<v Speaker 1>at night, parents kept their teenagers on tight leashes, and police,

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<v Speaker 1>for their part, had to walk a very fine line.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't want to incite panic, but they did need

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<v Speaker 1>the public's help and vigilance, and they did need to

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<v Speaker 1>warn them so that they are also safe now. After

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<v Speaker 1>one particularly disturbing call in which the killer threatened to

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<v Speaker 1>bite another victim, the police made the tough decision to

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<v Speaker 1>actually release portions of the caller's audio to the media,

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<v Speaker 1>alongside with warnings about the threat. Hearing the killer's actual

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<v Speaker 1>voice was startling. His tone was odd and casual, almost playful,

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<v Speaker 1>as he threatened the town with more violence. But still

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<v Speaker 1>it was just little clips they released, And in the

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<v Speaker 1>midst of all this terror and fearmongering, Abbotsford held a

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<v Speaker 1>heart wrenching funeral for Tanya Smith. The community turned out

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<v Speaker 1>in large numbers to support Tanya's family and honor the

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<v Speaker 1>murdered girl. Undercover officers quietly attended to mingling with mourners,

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<v Speaker 1>and investigators had a hunch the killer well, they thought

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<v Speaker 1>he might not be able to resist showing up to

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<v Speaker 1>revel in the aftermath of his crime. Behavior like this

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<v Speaker 1>is not exactly unheard of with violent predators seeking to

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<v Speaker 1>relive that excitement, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Especially if he's making calls and stuff to.

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<v Speaker 1>The cops right exactly, it seems like something he'd do.

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<v Speaker 1>So video cameras were discreetly filming the crowd the entire time.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyone who was coming to the service and leaving, they

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<v Speaker 1>all had their face on camera, capturing every single one

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<v Speaker 1>of them to see potentially, you know what, looking back,

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<v Speaker 1>if the murderer was there or not seeing if he's

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<v Speaker 1>hidden in plain sight. Now, at the time, this was

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<v Speaker 1>merely a shot in the dark. The police still had

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<v Speaker 1>no name or face for the culprit. It was just

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<v Speaker 1>Misty's vague description and the taunting voice on the phone. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>Misty did remain under close protection. Now Remarkably, after a

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<v Speaker 1>month after the attack, on November seventeenth, nineteen ninety five,

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<v Speaker 1>she did actually manage to wake up from her coma,

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<v Speaker 1>and she gradually recovered enough to leave the hospital. She

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<v Speaker 1>would survive good. Yeah, her survival was honestly nearly as

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<v Speaker 1>miraculous as the as it was courageous to be honest,

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<v Speaker 1>because despite the grievous injuries, she pulled through multiple brain

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<v Speaker 1>surgeries and even actually began to heal from it all.

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<v Speaker 1>But the moment Misty could communicate clearly, officers realized she

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<v Speaker 1>was still in danger. The killer calling hinting you know

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<v Speaker 1>what next time could easily mean he intended to finish

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<v Speaker 1>the job targeting Misty. She could be the one victim

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<v Speaker 1>who got away. She could be the one victim to

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<v Speaker 1>get him caught.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, and also he probably when he left expected

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<v Speaker 2>that she wouldn't have made it right.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly, So they're thinking she could be in serious danger. Dang.

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<v Speaker 1>They weren't about to take any chances, and they promptly

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<v Speaker 1>placed Misty and her family in a witness protection program, so,

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<v Speaker 1>in the dead of night, under secrecy, Misty was relocated

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds of kilometers away. She had to assume a low

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<v Speaker 1>profile kind of lifestyle and could not even contact her

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<v Speaker 1>friends back home. It was a life totally upended. Not

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<v Speaker 1>only had she lost her best friend, but now she

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<v Speaker 1>was essentially in hiding, haunted by the possibility that this

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<v Speaker 1>killer might come after her. Misty herself later described it

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00:24:04.359 --> 00:24:08.720
<v Speaker 1>as being revictimized. Even when she was finally out of

422
00:24:08.759 --> 00:24:12.319
<v Speaker 1>the hospital, she couldn't truly go home or resume a

423
00:24:12.359 --> 00:24:15.759
<v Speaker 1>normal life while the killer roamed free, he still had

424
00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:16.680
<v Speaker 1>that power over her.

425
00:24:16.920 --> 00:24:20.559
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I couldn't only imagine because instead of say,

426
00:24:20.599 --> 00:24:23.480
<v Speaker 2>going out and like distracting yourself. She really can't do

427
00:24:23.599 --> 00:24:25.759
<v Speaker 2>any of that stuff, so she's just kind of having

428
00:24:25.799 --> 00:24:29.039
<v Speaker 2>to sit there and have things probably relive in her

429
00:24:29.079 --> 00:24:31.720
<v Speaker 2>mind and replay I mean and ugh.

430
00:24:31.920 --> 00:24:35.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now Misty's recovery, it also brought a ray of

431
00:24:35.839 --> 00:24:39.640
<v Speaker 1>hope to the investigation. Now she was the only eyewitness.

432
00:24:39.920 --> 00:24:43.880
<v Speaker 1>She was the person there who saw his face. So

433
00:24:43.960 --> 00:24:46.880
<v Speaker 1>as soon as she was able to, investigators gently interviewed

434
00:24:46.920 --> 00:24:49.599
<v Speaker 1>Misty for details about that night and the man who

435
00:24:49.640 --> 00:24:53.400
<v Speaker 1>attacked them. Despite the trauma and the head injuries, Misty

436
00:24:53.519 --> 00:24:57.200
<v Speaker 1>was determined to help catch Tanya's killer, so peace by piece,

437
00:24:57.519 --> 00:25:01.039
<v Speaker 1>she recalled what she could. The attacker was roughly in

438
00:25:01.079 --> 00:25:03.960
<v Speaker 1>his late twenties or thirties, with a medium build. He

439
00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:07.839
<v Speaker 1>had an unkempt appearance, as she remembered, scraggly, frizzy hair

440
00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:11.559
<v Speaker 1>that might have been brownnish red, kind of possibly thinning

441
00:25:11.599 --> 00:25:15.640
<v Speaker 1>balding on top. He wore a noticeable mustache and thin lips,

442
00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:18.799
<v Speaker 1>and she also remembered his voice. There was something odd

443
00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:23.359
<v Speaker 1>about the way he spoke, an unusual inntation or accent

444
00:25:23.480 --> 00:25:27.039
<v Speaker 1>that she couldn't quite place, but she would recognize if

445
00:25:27.079 --> 00:25:31.319
<v Speaker 1>she heard it again. With Misty's input, police artists drew

446
00:25:31.400 --> 00:25:34.559
<v Speaker 1>up a composite sketch of the suspect, and that sketch

447
00:25:34.839 --> 00:25:38.279
<v Speaker 1>was released publicly, with police urging anyone who might recognize

448
00:25:38.279 --> 00:25:42.200
<v Speaker 1>the man to come forward. The description, however, it was

449
00:25:42.279 --> 00:25:46.240
<v Speaker 1>still fairly generic, unfortunately, a white male in his twenties

450
00:25:46.319 --> 00:25:49.440
<v Speaker 1>or thirties with a mustache that honestly fit any number

451
00:25:49.480 --> 00:25:52.880
<v Speaker 1>of local men, and it, along with many other details,

452
00:25:53.359 --> 00:25:56.799
<v Speaker 1>generated a lot of tips. People were calling in with

453
00:25:56.880 --> 00:26:00.000
<v Speaker 1>all sorts of vague suspicions about neighbors or ex boyfriends,

454
00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:03.240
<v Speaker 1>and each tip, well, it had to be checked, and

455
00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:06.759
<v Speaker 1>the task force, now encompassing multiple police agencies in the region,

456
00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:10.599
<v Speaker 1>worked around the clock to chase leads, no matter how thin.

457
00:26:11.559 --> 00:26:14.319
<v Speaker 1>One of the promising leads that emerged was when two

458
00:26:14.440 --> 00:26:18.240
<v Speaker 1>young men came forward saying they had met Tanya and

459
00:26:18.279 --> 00:26:23.359
<v Speaker 1>Misty on the night of the attack. These teens revealed

460
00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:26.079
<v Speaker 1>they had given the girls a ride part way home

461
00:26:26.119 --> 00:26:28.799
<v Speaker 1>from a party that evening, dropping them off near the

462
00:26:28.839 --> 00:26:32.279
<v Speaker 1>spot where they were actually attacked. It seems as though

463
00:26:32.319 --> 00:26:34.839
<v Speaker 1>they had gone their separate ways just minutes before the

464
00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:39.640
<v Speaker 1>assault had actually taken place. Investigators interviewed these young men thoroughly.

465
00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:42.400
<v Speaker 1>After all, they were the last or among the last

466
00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:45.400
<v Speaker 1>see Tanya and Misty before the crime, and the boys

467
00:26:45.440 --> 00:26:49.799
<v Speaker 1>cooperated fully. They provided fingerprints, shoe impressions, and even let

468
00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:53.119
<v Speaker 1>police examine the tire treads on their car, none of

469
00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:56.720
<v Speaker 1>which matched the evidence from the scene. Also, their alibis

470
00:26:56.799 --> 00:26:58.960
<v Speaker 1>checked out for the rest of the night too. They

471
00:26:59.000 --> 00:27:01.680
<v Speaker 1>were just good Samarrits, who happened to cross paths with

472
00:27:01.759 --> 00:27:04.640
<v Speaker 1>the girl, came forward to provide the information they had

473
00:27:05.240 --> 00:27:08.880
<v Speaker 1>and to clear their name of suspicion. Now another tip

474
00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:12.079
<v Speaker 1>that they had received seemed a little more ominous. Someone

475
00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:15.480
<v Speaker 1>suggested a local trouble maker known for violence against women

476
00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:19.880
<v Speaker 1>could potentially be responsible. This suspect had a history of

477
00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:23.119
<v Speaker 1>assaults and was rumored to carry a baseball bat in

478
00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:26.759
<v Speaker 1>his vehicle. He also looked very similar to the composite

479
00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:29.880
<v Speaker 1>sketch that was released to the public. Police soon brought

480
00:27:29.880 --> 00:27:33.599
<v Speaker 1>this man in for investigation and for interrogation, but under scrutiny,

481
00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:38.400
<v Speaker 1>he was very adamant that he was not involved at all,

482
00:27:38.720 --> 00:27:42.960
<v Speaker 1>and even offered his own fingerprints to end dental impressions

483
00:27:43.079 --> 00:27:48.000
<v Speaker 1>to clear his name. He did this voluntarily, and police

484
00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:51.559
<v Speaker 1>took him up on the offer. Forensic analysis compared the

485
00:27:51.599 --> 00:27:54.440
<v Speaker 1>teeth cast to the bitemarks on Tanya and his voice

486
00:27:54.440 --> 00:27:57.279
<v Speaker 1>even to the recorded calls. They had him read many

487
00:27:57.319 --> 00:27:59.759
<v Speaker 1>scripts and things that the guy had said, trying to

488
00:27:59.759 --> 00:28:03.319
<v Speaker 1>compare hair of things, trying to find similarities. But everything

489
00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:06.559
<v Speaker 1>he provided, none of it was a match. The bite

490
00:28:06.559 --> 00:28:09.599
<v Speaker 1>pattern was different, the vocal characteristics didn't line up, you

491
00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:14.079
<v Speaker 1>name it. Nothing. Misty herself also, when seeing him in person,

492
00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:17.440
<v Speaker 1>could not positively say if he was the attacker or not.

493
00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:21.000
<v Speaker 1>So with no evidence tying him to the crime, that

494
00:28:21.079 --> 00:28:24.880
<v Speaker 1>suspect too was eliminated. The investigation seemed to be right

495
00:28:24.920 --> 00:28:28.440
<v Speaker 1>back at square one, and the frustration it was mounting.

496
00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:31.440
<v Speaker 2>I just have to say, I think it's kind of

497
00:28:31.480 --> 00:28:34.519
<v Speaker 2>funny sometimes the tips that come in and people are like, well,

498
00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:36.759
<v Speaker 2>I know this guy, he's super sketchy or he's a

499
00:28:36.759 --> 00:28:38.960
<v Speaker 2>super asshole, like he would have had you have done this,

500
00:28:39.279 --> 00:28:42.200
<v Speaker 2>and they're just like turning in their neighbors or anyone

501
00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:45.319
<v Speaker 2>that they think just you know, is not of right

502
00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:46.519
<v Speaker 2>mind or whatever.

503
00:28:46.920 --> 00:28:48.839
<v Speaker 1>But the thing is sometimes they're right.

504
00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:50.720
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes they are yes.

505
00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:53.319
<v Speaker 1>Right, Like an out on a limb tip could be

506
00:28:53.400 --> 00:28:57.640
<v Speaker 1>the tip that could be the right guy, you make

507
00:28:57.799 --> 00:29:00.359
<v Speaker 1>a statement wearing like, oh my ex boyfriend, he's crazy.

508
00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:02.160
<v Speaker 1>He has a baseball bat in his truck and he

509
00:29:02.240 --> 00:29:05.759
<v Speaker 1>threatened me once. Maybe you are just kind of, you know,

510
00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:10.400
<v Speaker 1>trying to get your ex boyfriend arrested for nefarious reasons

511
00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:11.480
<v Speaker 1>for your own self gain.

512
00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:13.960
<v Speaker 2>But who knows, Maybe it is actually them.

513
00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:17.240
<v Speaker 1>Maybe he's actually flipped a switch and he did do it,

514
00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:20.519
<v Speaker 1>and your information actually provides the trail to find him.

515
00:29:20.640 --> 00:29:22.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I mean it is important, but also I

516
00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:26.279
<v Speaker 2>think it is just someone doesn't like someone, and there's

517
00:29:26.359 --> 00:29:27.920
<v Speaker 2>sometimes under the bus.

518
00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:31.480
<v Speaker 1>You know, you're right, definitely. Now, winter soon set in

519
00:29:31.599 --> 00:29:35.240
<v Speaker 1>and months passed with no arrest. The taunting phone calls well,

520
00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:38.160
<v Speaker 1>they eventually tapered off to leaving police to wonder if

521
00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:41.240
<v Speaker 1>the killer had gone underground, or maybe worse, if he

522
00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:44.720
<v Speaker 1>had moved on to pran victims elsewhere. But then, in

523
00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:48.160
<v Speaker 1>February of nineteen ninety six, the Abbotsford killer made a

524
00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:52.200
<v Speaker 1>dramatic reappearance, not with a phone call this time, but

525
00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:57.039
<v Speaker 1>with a twisted public stunt instead. It was February seventeenth,

526
00:29:57.440 --> 00:30:00.680
<v Speaker 1>when employees at a local radio station were radio max

527
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:03.880
<v Speaker 1>in abbots Ford. To be specific, arrived in the morning

528
00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:07.519
<v Speaker 1>to a very bizarre site. There, Sitting on the hood

529
00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:11.759
<v Speaker 1>of one of the station's brand new news vans was

530
00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:18.240
<v Speaker 1>a gravestone. Shockingly, it was the actual headstone from Tanya

531
00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:22.440
<v Speaker 1>Smith's grave. It had been stolen from the cemetery and

532
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:24.200
<v Speaker 1>placed on the hood of this vehicle.

533
00:30:24.680 --> 00:30:28.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, okay, I was hoping that it wasn't, but

534
00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:31.319
<v Speaker 2>that is that is just beyond cruel.

535
00:30:31.599 --> 00:30:34.480
<v Speaker 1>Well to go even further, the headstone had been defaced

536
00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:38.759
<v Speaker 1>with black marker wow or profane graffiti and had an

537
00:30:38.799 --> 00:30:44.480
<v Speaker 1>ominous message directed at Misty Amid. The scrawls were words

538
00:30:44.599 --> 00:30:49.720
<v Speaker 1>like next time Misty or as some reports stated, one

539
00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:53.599
<v Speaker 1>day Misty. There's a couple conflicting reports, but either way,

540
00:30:53.839 --> 00:30:55.039
<v Speaker 1>they was saying she's.

541
00:30:54.880 --> 00:30:58.480
<v Speaker 2>Next hey, this guy, because I bet you at this point,

542
00:30:58.480 --> 00:31:02.079
<v Speaker 2>like Misty was starting to almost get confidence back, potentially potentially,

543
00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:03.960
<v Speaker 2>and then this guy has to just go and do

544
00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:06.039
<v Speaker 2>something like this, Are you freaking kidding me?

545
00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:08.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a salt in the wound or a twist

546
00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:08.839
<v Speaker 1>of the knife. Right.

547
00:31:09.119 --> 00:31:12.240
<v Speaker 2>Well, then he already like murdered Tanya and he's just

548
00:31:12.440 --> 00:31:14.920
<v Speaker 2>oh my gosh, okay, that is just not okay.

549
00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:18.480
<v Speaker 1>I know I know, defacing her grave like that, let alone, Like,

550
00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:21.039
<v Speaker 1>how do you think her family felt? Well, yeah, they

551
00:31:21.079 --> 00:31:23.279
<v Speaker 1>finally have their daughter at rest and they're trying to

552
00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:27.640
<v Speaker 1>make peace with the situation and then her grave gets defaced. Yeah, Like,

553
00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:30.880
<v Speaker 1>how low does this guy go? He is a piece

554
00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:31.480
<v Speaker 1>of shit.

555
00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:33.319
<v Speaker 2>Just complete scum.

556
00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:36.440
<v Speaker 1>Now. There was also an arrow drawn on the engraved

557
00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:39.960
<v Speaker 1>photo of Tanya, pointing to the exact spot where the

558
00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:40.799
<v Speaker 1>bite mark was.

559
00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:45.359
<v Speaker 2>Seriously, okay, this is getting to be too much.

560
00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:49.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I basically pissed. It's almost like he's kind of

561
00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:51.960
<v Speaker 1>trying to flex his handiwork if you will.

562
00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:56.599
<v Speaker 2>This guy is just whole I could. Okay, So people

563
00:31:56.759 --> 00:31:59.880
<v Speaker 2>like this, it's just they should not exist.

564
00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:04.359
<v Speaker 1>Right. So in this exact instance, once again they knew

565
00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:08.359
<v Speaker 1>they weren't dealing with a prank or a copycat of

566
00:32:08.359 --> 00:32:11.079
<v Speaker 1>any sort. This was the guy who actually committed it,

567
00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:14.799
<v Speaker 1>because again that detail was not public knowledge. Now, this

568
00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:19.079
<v Speaker 1>radio station incident sent waves of renewed terror through Abbotsford.

569
00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:24.319
<v Speaker 1>The killer had escalated his psychological warfare, essentially desecrating Tanya's

570
00:32:24.319 --> 00:32:29.759
<v Speaker 1>memory to specifically torment Misty and the entire community. Police

571
00:32:29.960 --> 00:32:33.240
<v Speaker 1>wisked Misty's family to yet another secret location after this,

572
00:32:33.559 --> 00:32:36.839
<v Speaker 1>knowing that the killer was in fact actively fixated on her.

573
00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:42.559
<v Speaker 1>Then just two days later, a mysterious delivery appeared. It

574
00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:46.160
<v Speaker 1>was a heavy wrench wrapped in paper and tape and

575
00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:49.160
<v Speaker 1>hurled through the window of a random Abbotsford home in

576
00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:53.119
<v Speaker 1>the middle of the night. The homeowners were jolted awake

577
00:32:53.160 --> 00:32:55.200
<v Speaker 1>by the sound of shattering glass and they found the

578
00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:57.880
<v Speaker 1>wrench on their living room floor with the note taped

579
00:32:57.920 --> 00:33:00.799
<v Speaker 1>around it. Now the note was a deep page letter

580
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:03.119
<v Speaker 1>from the killer. In it, he claimed credit for a

581
00:33:03.160 --> 00:33:05.720
<v Speaker 1>string of other assaults in the area over the past year.

582
00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:10.160
<v Speaker 1>As well, he described three earlier attacks on females, incidents

583
00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:13.720
<v Speaker 1>that indeed had occurred, but until then were unsolved and

584
00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:17.960
<v Speaker 1>not really publicly linked to anyone or each other. By

585
00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:20.960
<v Speaker 1>detailing these crimes, the writer was clearly attempting to get

586
00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:25.119
<v Speaker 1>acknowledgment for more of his work and to further you know,

587
00:33:25.519 --> 00:33:29.960
<v Speaker 1>his intimidation on the community. The letter also contained yet

588
00:33:30.039 --> 00:33:33.720
<v Speaker 1>more threats against Misty's life too. It was the ravings

589
00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:36.880
<v Speaker 1>of a deeply disturbed individual who clearly enjoyed the power

590
00:33:36.920 --> 00:33:42.319
<v Speaker 1>of terrorizing others. However, this time the killers growing brash.

591
00:33:42.400 --> 00:33:47.200
<v Speaker 1>Theatrics would backfire on him. Remember when I said that

592
00:33:47.319 --> 00:33:49.160
<v Speaker 1>statement would be important later.

593
00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:51.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh you're kidding.

594
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:53.960
<v Speaker 1>Do you think I would be dumb enough to leave

595
00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:58.680
<v Speaker 1>fingerprints behind when to make a phone call? Oh? Well,

596
00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:01.240
<v Speaker 1>you see, when a mbling the package, he made a

597
00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:05.880
<v Speaker 1>very critical error, and the tape investigators carefully and wrapped

598
00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:08.480
<v Speaker 1>the tape that secured the letter to the wrench, and

599
00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:10.800
<v Speaker 1>on the sticky side of the tape, they lifted a

600
00:34:11.079 --> 00:34:13.079
<v Speaker 1>very clear fingerprint from it.

601
00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:17.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, that is a complete idiot.

602
00:34:17.800 --> 00:34:21.320
<v Speaker 1>Well, think of he's probably wearing gloves committing most of

603
00:34:21.320 --> 00:34:24.400
<v Speaker 1>these crimes, right, and as he's taping this thing to

604
00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:28.159
<v Speaker 1>the wrench, I imagine catching that fucking edge on the

605
00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:30.800
<v Speaker 1>tape to lift it up. We all have trouble fighting

606
00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:32.840
<v Speaker 1>it and getting at times, right, So he's probably trying

607
00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:36.079
<v Speaker 1>to lift that tape, couldn't get it, took off his

608
00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:39.840
<v Speaker 1>glove to use his fingernail, got a hold of it

609
00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:43.880
<v Speaker 1>and put a very clear fingerprint on it in the process.

610
00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:45.880
<v Speaker 1>And he didn't think twice about it.

611
00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:49.039
<v Speaker 2>Literally, every time I tape anything up, I think about

612
00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:51.280
<v Speaker 2>my fingerprint being on this tape. I don't know why.

613
00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:52.760
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of odd, but yeah.

614
00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:55.039
<v Speaker 1>Well, clearly he didn't. He didn't the man that had

615
00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:58.400
<v Speaker 1>previously taunted police with a phone call saying he wouldn't

616
00:34:58.440 --> 00:35:02.280
<v Speaker 1>be so dumb to leave fingerprints behind, Well, now he

617
00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:03.360
<v Speaker 1>had left one behind.

618
00:35:03.519 --> 00:35:04.440
<v Speaker 2>He was so dumb.

619
00:35:04.519 --> 00:35:06.840
<v Speaker 1>He was so dumb, he left a fingerprint.

620
00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:07.639
<v Speaker 2>In his own words.

621
00:35:07.719 --> 00:35:11.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeap, this was the breakthrough they desperately needed. As soon

622
00:35:11.920 --> 00:35:13.760
<v Speaker 1>as they could, they ran the print through the National

623
00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:17.320
<v Speaker 1>Fingerprint database and it came up empty.

624
00:35:18.199 --> 00:35:22.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh what the hell, ben here? I literally just relax

625
00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:27.360
<v Speaker 2>for a hot minute. Sorry, then you're like, nope, okay,

626
00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:28.199
<v Speaker 2>thank you for that.

627
00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:32.079
<v Speaker 1>So, to the tasks force astonishment, the fingerprint did not

628
00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:35.719
<v Speaker 1>match any known criminal in the system, which meant the

629
00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:39.199
<v Speaker 1>person they were hunting had no prior criminal record, a

630
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<v Speaker 1>total clean slate.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well that's disappointing.

632
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<v Speaker 1>Well, this revelation upended much of the profiler's assumption about

633
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<v Speaker 1>who they were dealing with, because up until now they

634
00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:55.079
<v Speaker 1>had theorized that such a confident, sadistic offender like this

635
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<v Speaker 1>probably had a history of violence or you know, run

636
00:35:58.360 --> 00:36:02.159
<v Speaker 1>ins with law enforcement previously. But now it appeared they

637
00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:04.960
<v Speaker 1>were chasing someone who had managed to avoid being caught

638
00:36:05.199 --> 00:36:09.760
<v Speaker 1>for any past crimes. Even despite his boats and claims

639
00:36:09.800 --> 00:36:14.599
<v Speaker 1>of previous assaults in his recent letter. Now, another intriguing

640
00:36:14.599 --> 00:36:18.400
<v Speaker 1>clue from the letter was his language. Whoever wrote it

641
00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:23.000
<v Speaker 1>used some interesting terminology, things like mo, which of course

642
00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:26.880
<v Speaker 1>we know means modus operandi, and he used very formal

643
00:36:26.920 --> 00:36:30.760
<v Speaker 1>phrasing such as attempted a sexual assault when referring to

644
00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:34.400
<v Speaker 1>his crimes. Now, these words are more commonly found in

645
00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:38.880
<v Speaker 1>police reports than in everyday conversation like officers and like honestly,

646
00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:41.280
<v Speaker 1>we in true crime. In the true crime world, we

647
00:36:41.599 --> 00:36:43.239
<v Speaker 1>are used to these terms when we listen to it

648
00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:46.239
<v Speaker 1>and when we discussed cases and everything we watch the

649
00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:49.480
<v Speaker 1>shows on Netflix. We hear it. We know this, But

650
00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:51.719
<v Speaker 1>think of when you talk to someone who's not in

651
00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:54.760
<v Speaker 1>the true crime world, how many conversations have you had

652
00:36:54.760 --> 00:36:56.519
<v Speaker 1>with them? And they kind of look at you weird

653
00:36:56.519 --> 00:36:59.320
<v Speaker 1>for how you're speaking, the terminology you use. It's not

654
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<v Speaker 1>normal for the public to use that sort of verbage.

655
00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:05.880
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, is this person like a police officer or something?

656
00:37:05.920 --> 00:37:09.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's kind of the thing. It spoke volumes to investigators.

657
00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:13.119
<v Speaker 1>It hinted that this killer could be someone with insider

658
00:37:13.199 --> 00:37:16.159
<v Speaker 1>knowledge of police procedures, or at least a fascination with

659
00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:19.679
<v Speaker 1>law enforcement, so it brought up the uncomfortable question could

660
00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:22.840
<v Speaker 1>their suspect be a cop or someone close to the police,

661
00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:26.840
<v Speaker 1>even potentially, could it be someone working on this very investigation.

662
00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:29.039
<v Speaker 2>That's a gross feeling.

663
00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:32.639
<v Speaker 1>The notion was so unsettling, but they couldn't ignore it.

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<v Speaker 1>So facing a killer this brazen Abbotsford police knew they

665
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:40.719
<v Speaker 1>had to up their game, and they decided, instead of

666
00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:43.559
<v Speaker 1>waiting for him to strike again, they were going to

667
00:37:43.559 --> 00:37:48.360
<v Speaker 1>come up with a plan called Operation mouse Trap. It

668
00:37:48.440 --> 00:37:52.800
<v Speaker 1>was an operation a plan to lure the killer into

669
00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:58.599
<v Speaker 1>making a mistake. So Operation Mousetrap relied on the fact

670
00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:01.079
<v Speaker 1>that he had a habit of calling police to brag.

671
00:38:01.639 --> 00:38:05.400
<v Speaker 1>They decided to use that specifically against him. With the

672
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:09.800
<v Speaker 1>help of technicians, they outfitted all local payphones with an

673
00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:14.440
<v Speaker 1>advanced tracing system. So from now on, any call coming

674
00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:17.960
<v Speaker 1>into the police station from these payphones would be automatically

675
00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:22.639
<v Speaker 1>traced within seconds without the killer even knowing, meaning they

676
00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:27.280
<v Speaker 1>would know exactly which payphone they were calling from before

677
00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:31.159
<v Speaker 1>they even picked up the phone. That's really smart. He

678
00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:36.000
<v Speaker 1>dials and it goes ring ring, it's already traced, So

679
00:38:36.039 --> 00:38:38.280
<v Speaker 1>with not even talking to officers yet, and they already

680
00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:40.719
<v Speaker 1>know where the call's coming from.

681
00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:43.000
<v Speaker 2>And those are seconds or a minute or whatever that

682
00:38:43.039 --> 00:38:44.159
<v Speaker 2>he would not even.

683
00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:49.239
<v Speaker 1>Account for exactly. So Additionally, undercover officers were also stationed

684
00:38:49.239 --> 00:38:52.679
<v Speaker 1>in unmarked cars near clusters of phone booths around town,

685
00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:57.360
<v Speaker 1>ready to pounce immediately if any suspicious call was traced.

686
00:38:58.039 --> 00:39:01.199
<v Speaker 1>So with all of this set, police would be able

687
00:39:01.239 --> 00:39:05.159
<v Speaker 1>to be on the scene at the correctly identified payphone

688
00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:09.639
<v Speaker 1>anyone in the city in about a minute or less

689
00:39:09.960 --> 00:39:11.559
<v Speaker 1>of the call being placed.

690
00:39:11.760 --> 00:39:14.679
<v Speaker 2>But how do they know. They're you know, not just

691
00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:19.559
<v Speaker 2>giving this information to this person too, if he's part

692
00:39:19.599 --> 00:39:20.880
<v Speaker 2>of the force, right.

693
00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:23.239
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's true, right, But I don't think they really

694
00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:27.000
<v Speaker 1>believed anyone was who's part of the force specifically, was

695
00:39:27.039 --> 00:39:29.440
<v Speaker 1>capable of it. It's a possibility, but it was so

696
00:39:29.559 --> 00:39:32.559
<v Speaker 1>far fetched. They weren't there yet. It was more mostly well,

697
00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:36.079
<v Speaker 1>this guy's probably got a half knowledge at least of it,

698
00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:40.159
<v Speaker 1>maybe X cop, maybe just obsessed with who knows, But

699
00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:42.280
<v Speaker 1>the idea of it actually being someone on the force,

700
00:39:42.760 --> 00:39:44.920
<v Speaker 1>it was so far out there. But it was a

701
00:39:44.960 --> 00:39:47.960
<v Speaker 1>real possibility. But I will be honest, it wasn't the case.

702
00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:51.000
<v Speaker 2>In this Okay, real good, good So next.

703
00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:55.000
<v Speaker 1>The police crafted a carefully worded public announcement, one that

704
00:39:55.039 --> 00:39:57.800
<v Speaker 1>they hoped would draw the killer out and tempt him

705
00:39:57.840 --> 00:40:02.079
<v Speaker 1>to call the police. They issued a press release updating

706
00:40:02.079 --> 00:40:05.199
<v Speaker 1>the case, suddenly suggesting that well, they were kind of

707
00:40:05.239 --> 00:40:08.880
<v Speaker 1>stumped and perhaps dialing back the urgency of the investigation.

708
00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:13.519
<v Speaker 1>So the idea was basically to plan the killer's ego

709
00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:16.039
<v Speaker 1>to be like, Haha, I've got you, you can't figure

710
00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:18.639
<v Speaker 1>it out, I'm the killer, to play on that and

711
00:40:18.719 --> 00:40:23.159
<v Speaker 1>get him to respond or boast calling the police. But

712
00:40:23.239 --> 00:40:26.679
<v Speaker 1>the Abbotsford killer didn't take the bait.

713
00:40:26.920 --> 00:40:29.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh he didn't bite, you're kidding me.

714
00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:34.039
<v Speaker 1>Days passed and no calls came in. Investigators began to

715
00:40:34.079 --> 00:40:36.960
<v Speaker 1>worry that he'd gotten spooked or gone silent once again,

716
00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:41.639
<v Speaker 1>and as the final trump card, they decided to confront him,

717
00:40:41.920 --> 00:40:47.639
<v Speaker 1>well with himself. They took the unprecedented step of releasing

718
00:40:48.320 --> 00:40:52.360
<v Speaker 1>full audio recordings of the killer's voice, not just statements

719
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:55.199
<v Speaker 1>or quotes or anything like that. We're talking actual full

720
00:40:55.239 --> 00:40:58.440
<v Speaker 1>recordings from the phone calls, and they released it directly

721
00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:01.880
<v Speaker 1>to the media. In early May of nineteen ninety six,

722
00:41:01.960 --> 00:41:05.760
<v Speaker 1>local radio and TV stations broadcast these eerie clips of

723
00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:09.360
<v Speaker 1>the anonymous caller saying phrases like catch me if you

724
00:41:09.480 --> 00:41:13.639
<v Speaker 1>can and I'm the one who did it. The hope

725
00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:18.039
<v Speaker 1>was that someone out there would recognize that very distinctive voice,

726
00:41:18.639 --> 00:41:21.920
<v Speaker 1>that very specific speech pattern they had captured. It was

727
00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:28.039
<v Speaker 1>a gamble, for sure, but thankfully it paid off. It

728
00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:31.760
<v Speaker 1>was within only hours of the broadcast going out to

729
00:41:31.800 --> 00:41:34.920
<v Speaker 1>the public that a call came in that would finally

730
00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:38.559
<v Speaker 1>turn the tide of this cat and mouse race. A

731
00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:43.920
<v Speaker 1>woman phoned in and she told police she recognized the voice.

732
00:41:44.039 --> 00:41:48.840
<v Speaker 1>Investigators they were happy their tactic work, but she's on

733
00:41:48.880 --> 00:41:52.599
<v Speaker 1>the phone and she told them that voice it belonged

734
00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:55.000
<v Speaker 1>she believed to her son.

735
00:41:55.679 --> 00:41:59.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, that's a tough That would be a tough

736
00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:00.559
<v Speaker 2>call for her.

737
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:03.920
<v Speaker 1>It would be. But she said the more she listened,

738
00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:06.480
<v Speaker 1>the more the man in the audio clip, well, the

739
00:42:06.519 --> 00:42:09.039
<v Speaker 1>more it sounded like her son, and the more certain

740
00:42:09.079 --> 00:42:12.760
<v Speaker 1>she became. But that's not all. She also shared some

741
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:17.440
<v Speaker 1>alarming information. Her son had made a very bizarre comment recently,

742
00:42:17.480 --> 00:42:20.920
<v Speaker 1>a few in fact, telling his brother quote you don't

743
00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:24.920
<v Speaker 1>know me, you don't know what I'm capable of end quote,

744
00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:28.239
<v Speaker 1>And she knew he was often off fishing in the

745
00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:31.239
<v Speaker 1>Vetta River, which is exactly where Tanya's body was found.

746
00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:35.320
<v Speaker 1>The name of this woman who called was Audrey Tye,

747
00:42:35.639 --> 00:42:39.840
<v Speaker 1>and her tip instantly gave investigators a solid suspect, her

748
00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:44.880
<v Speaker 1>very son, Terry Driver. Now Terry was a thirty one

749
00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:48.360
<v Speaker 1>year old resident of Abbitsford. Far from the drifter or

750
00:42:48.679 --> 00:42:52.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, the fringe loner many imagined the killer could be.

751
00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:55.159
<v Speaker 1>In fact, he was shocking the ordinary on the surface.

752
00:42:55.800 --> 00:42:58.440
<v Speaker 1>He was married with two young children, held a steady

753
00:42:58.519 --> 00:43:00.800
<v Speaker 1>job as a printer at a local print shop, and

754
00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:04.280
<v Speaker 1>Terry also came from a police family. His late father

755
00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:07.320
<v Speaker 1>had been highly respected as a sergeant in the Vancouver

756
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:11.039
<v Speaker 1>Police Department. In his youth, Terry himself had even aspired

757
00:43:11.079 --> 00:43:13.320
<v Speaker 1>to become a police officer, but was rejected from the

758
00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:19.119
<v Speaker 1>force with reasons really only being speculated. This background, well,

759
00:43:19.239 --> 00:43:22.599
<v Speaker 1>it suddenly became a massive red flag. Terry would have

760
00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:27.119
<v Speaker 1>been familiar with police procedures terminology, which explained the letter's language,

761
00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:30.880
<v Speaker 1>and he likely knew how investigators worked, which meant why

762
00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:34.599
<v Speaker 1>he was so confident in taunting the cops. He also

763
00:43:34.840 --> 00:43:38.639
<v Speaker 1>owned scanners to eavesdrop on police radio communications, meaning he

764
00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:41.360
<v Speaker 1>could listen in real time to officers responding to his

765
00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:47.559
<v Speaker 1>own stunts. Despite his normalcy outward, though Terry did have

766
00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:49.960
<v Speaker 1>a bit of a troubled past. While he had no

767
00:43:50.119 --> 00:43:52.920
<v Speaker 1>criminal record, it later emerged that he had spent time

768
00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:58.840
<v Speaker 1>in his psychiatric care facility for teenagers due to violent behavior,

769
00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:01.719
<v Speaker 1>which is the main speculation around him being turned down

770
00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:05.800
<v Speaker 1>from joining the police. But I digress now, though police

771
00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:09.920
<v Speaker 1>feared that all that latent violence had exploded into this

772
00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:14.719
<v Speaker 1>series of crimes terrorizing Abbotsford. So with all this information,

773
00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:19.519
<v Speaker 1>surveillance was set up on Terry immediately and discreetly unmarked

774
00:44:19.599 --> 00:44:23.119
<v Speaker 1>units tailed him while detectives gathered as much evidence and

775
00:44:23.960 --> 00:44:27.800
<v Speaker 1>things in his background that they could. They discovered that

776
00:44:28.440 --> 00:44:32.280
<v Speaker 1>on the nights the key phone calls were made to police,

777
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:35.760
<v Speaker 1>Terry had conveniently taken night shifts off work or was

778
00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:39.480
<v Speaker 1>otherwise absent from work, so it fit the timeline perfectly.

779
00:44:40.320 --> 00:44:44.719
<v Speaker 1>Anytime he was away from work, the calls seemed to

780
00:44:44.760 --> 00:44:47.639
<v Speaker 1>just so happen to line up and come in. He

781
00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:50.480
<v Speaker 1>also did not resemble the composite sketch very closely, though,

782
00:44:50.519 --> 00:44:55.079
<v Speaker 1>but still given Audrey's detailed tips and saying that it

783
00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:58.360
<v Speaker 1>was her son, the circumstantial links police had strong reason

784
00:44:58.440 --> 00:45:02.039
<v Speaker 1>to suspect they finally found their man. To be sure, though,

785
00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:10.199
<v Speaker 1>they needed direct evidence, so investigators approached Terry carefully. At first.

786
00:45:10.280 --> 00:45:13.480
<v Speaker 1>He was taken aback, but he was kind of cooperative,

787
00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:16.000
<v Speaker 1>but in a guarded way. He agreed to come in

788
00:45:16.039 --> 00:45:18.639
<v Speaker 1>for an interview, but denied any involvement in the murder

789
00:45:18.719 --> 00:45:22.039
<v Speaker 1>or the attack. In fact, he seemed to almost be

790
00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:25.239
<v Speaker 1>offended even when he was considered as a suspect, and

791
00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:27.320
<v Speaker 1>as soon as he realized he may be an actual

792
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:31.239
<v Speaker 1>suspect in the investigation, he quickly invoked his right for

793
00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:35.320
<v Speaker 1>legal counsel and refused to speak any further. So, since

794
00:45:35.519 --> 00:45:38.320
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't arrested at this point and there's no warrant

795
00:45:38.360 --> 00:45:42.559
<v Speaker 1>in play, Terry refused to provide DNA, which was by

796
00:45:42.559 --> 00:45:44.920
<v Speaker 1>all means his full right to do so at the time.

797
00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:46.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was.

798
00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:54.000
<v Speaker 1>However, interestingly enough, remember that statement I said would be

799
00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:57.440
<v Speaker 1>so important. It's going to come up again here. I

800
00:45:57.440 --> 00:46:00.400
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be so stupid to leave my fingerprints behind, right

801
00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:05.000
<v Speaker 1>mm hmm. Well, interestingly enough, he did consent to give

802
00:46:05.280 --> 00:46:06.280
<v Speaker 1>his fingerprints.

803
00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:11.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, because he would have thought they would.

804
00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:14.159
<v Speaker 1>Not have this on him exactly so he agreed to

805
00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:16.960
<v Speaker 1>give his fingerprints, but only in the presence of his lawyer.

806
00:46:17.400 --> 00:46:19.679
<v Speaker 1>It appeared to police that Terry, if he was in

807
00:46:19.679 --> 00:46:22.960
<v Speaker 1>fact the killer, believed his own boast so much that

808
00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:25.679
<v Speaker 1>he left no Prince behind for police to find that

809
00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:29.840
<v Speaker 1>he was so bold to actually give his prints directly

810
00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:34.920
<v Speaker 1>to them to fake clear his name from suspicion. Now,

811
00:46:34.960 --> 00:46:37.760
<v Speaker 1>when police compared the fingerprints that he gave them to

812
00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:40.639
<v Speaker 1>the ones lifted from the tape, the unique loops and

813
00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:45.920
<v Speaker 1>whirls of Terry Driver's thumb matched perfectly with the print

814
00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:47.840
<v Speaker 1>the killer left behind.

815
00:46:48.800 --> 00:46:51.199
<v Speaker 2>What did I say earlier too? No one should be

816
00:46:51.239 --> 00:46:52.559
<v Speaker 2>this confident.

817
00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:56.199
<v Speaker 1>Ake exactly now you were everything you were saying. I'm

818
00:46:56.239 --> 00:46:58.360
<v Speaker 1>just inside like, oh my god, she has no idea

819
00:46:58.599 --> 00:46:59.440
<v Speaker 1>she's gonna love this.

820
00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:01.360
<v Speaker 2>Well, well, yeah, unbelievable.

821
00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:05.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, he had the balls, but he was stupid

822
00:47:05.239 --> 00:47:06.480
<v Speaker 1>enough to still do it.

823
00:47:06.719 --> 00:47:10.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like, I mean your fingerprint and tape, I don't know,

824
00:47:10.199 --> 00:47:13.320
<v Speaker 2>I just that's really rookie, right there.

825
00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:18.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, analysis found eleven points of identification in common

826
00:47:18.480 --> 00:47:23.639
<v Speaker 1>with the Prince, an incontrovertible match. So in May of

827
00:47:23.760 --> 00:47:26.159
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety six, it seemed he wasn't careful enough, and

828
00:47:26.280 --> 00:47:30.840
<v Speaker 1>Terry Driver was arrested and charged as the Abbotsford killer.

829
00:47:31.599 --> 00:47:35.320
<v Speaker 1>After seven months of fear and uncertainty, the community breathed

830
00:47:35.679 --> 00:47:38.360
<v Speaker 1>a collective sigh of relief.

831
00:47:38.719 --> 00:47:42.239
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm sure glad he wasn't careful right, that he

832
00:47:42.280 --> 00:47:45.079
<v Speaker 2>did make a mistake. Yeah, I'm also just sitting here

833
00:47:45.159 --> 00:47:50.239
<v Speaker 2>shook though that you had said he was married with kids.

834
00:47:50.239 --> 00:47:54.920
<v Speaker 1>Correct he was, which is very disturbing I know. Now.

835
00:47:54.960 --> 00:47:57.639
<v Speaker 1>As soon as Terry was under arrest, the floodgates of

836
00:47:57.679 --> 00:48:01.119
<v Speaker 1>evidence opened up even further. A search of his home

837
00:48:01.480 --> 00:48:06.480
<v Speaker 1>and belongings turned up some damning evidence. Police seese Driver's

838
00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:09.679
<v Speaker 1>computer and printer. Forensic analysis later showed that the taunting

839
00:48:09.800 --> 00:48:14.079
<v Speaker 1>letters were produced using his printer. The typeface and formatting

840
00:48:14.119 --> 00:48:17.960
<v Speaker 1>matched exactly. The investigators also obtained a warrant for his

841
00:48:18.280 --> 00:48:22.079
<v Speaker 1>dental impressions. When forensic dentists compared casts of his teeth

842
00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:25.280
<v Speaker 1>to the bite marks on Tanya's breast, well, it again

843
00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:31.800
<v Speaker 1>matched perfectly, down to the crooked tooth alignment and chipped edges. Finally,

844
00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:35.320
<v Speaker 1>the team got the long awaited results of the DNA test,

845
00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:39.159
<v Speaker 1>the DNA profile from semen recovered from Tania Smith's body.

846
00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:43.400
<v Speaker 1>Was matched against a sample of Terry's blood. Statistically, the

847
00:48:43.440 --> 00:48:47.719
<v Speaker 1>odds of the DNA belonging to anyone else other than

848
00:48:47.800 --> 00:48:54.719
<v Speaker 1>Terry Driver was astronomically small, to the order of trillions

849
00:48:55.400 --> 00:48:56.000
<v Speaker 1>to one.

850
00:48:57.039 --> 00:48:57.840
<v Speaker 2>Thank got him.

851
00:48:57.880 --> 00:48:59.960
<v Speaker 1>There's not even that many people on planet Earth.

852
00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:01.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, gotcha.

853
00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:05.119
<v Speaker 1>His DNA also matched saliva traces found on the bite

854
00:49:05.199 --> 00:49:10.519
<v Speaker 1>mark as well, so, in short, science left zero room

855
00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:13.559
<v Speaker 1>for doubt that the man in custody was the very

856
00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:18.559
<v Speaker 1>same person who had committed those horrific crimes. To top

857
00:49:18.599 --> 00:49:21.679
<v Speaker 1>it all off, when investigators reviewed the surveillance footage from

858
00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:27.480
<v Speaker 1>Tanya's funeral with fresh eyes, they spotted terror amongst the crowd.

859
00:49:27.639 --> 00:49:32.480
<v Speaker 1>The killer had indeed attended the victim's funeral, lurking among

860
00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:33.519
<v Speaker 1>the mourners.

861
00:49:34.199 --> 00:49:38.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I that is just so bothersome to me that

862
00:49:38.239 --> 00:49:40.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. That is just one of the things

863
00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:44.159
<v Speaker 2>up there that is just so unbelievably disturbing to me

864
00:49:44.239 --> 00:49:47.679
<v Speaker 2>that they would go to the person's funeral, Like, are

865
00:49:47.719 --> 00:49:49.440
<v Speaker 2>you actually kidding.

866
00:49:49.480 --> 00:49:53.320
<v Speaker 1>Something so sacred? Right, You've done something so horrendous already,

867
00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:56.559
<v Speaker 1>and the family has this one sacred thing and you're

868
00:49:56.719 --> 00:49:58.480
<v Speaker 1>still not letting him have that.

869
00:49:58.760 --> 00:50:01.440
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's like they wan go and see the family

870
00:50:01.599 --> 00:50:02.679
<v Speaker 2>mourning or something.

871
00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:03.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

872
00:50:03.519 --> 00:50:06.119
<v Speaker 2>It's just completely sick.

873
00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:10.039
<v Speaker 1>It is. It's uh sends shivers at my spine. Yeah,

874
00:50:10.119 --> 00:50:13.440
<v Speaker 1>now face with this mountain of evidence. Terry Driver eventually

875
00:50:13.480 --> 00:50:17.400
<v Speaker 1>went to trial in nineteen ninety seven. In court, he

876
00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:20.760
<v Speaker 1>still tried to evade full responsibility for his actions. At

877
00:50:20.760 --> 00:50:23.480
<v Speaker 1>one point, he even concocted a bizarre story claiming that

878
00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:26.880
<v Speaker 1>he hadn't beaten the girls. He in fact claimed he

879
00:50:26.920 --> 00:50:31.119
<v Speaker 1>supposedly stumbled upon them after some mystery man had attacked him,

880
00:50:31.400 --> 00:50:34.679
<v Speaker 1>and then, in a panic, he then raped Tanya's unconscious

881
00:50:34.679 --> 00:50:35.760
<v Speaker 1>body and dumped in a river.

882
00:50:36.239 --> 00:50:40.960
<v Speaker 2>That is almost like comical. That's so such a terrible lie.

883
00:50:41.039 --> 00:50:43.119
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't make any sense that, Like.

884
00:50:43.159 --> 00:50:44.639
<v Speaker 2>Don't even be trying anymore.

885
00:50:44.719 --> 00:50:47.679
<v Speaker 1>Terry Well, he tried that. And then he also attempted

886
00:50:47.719 --> 00:50:50.599
<v Speaker 1>to blame his actions on mental disorders, saying he had

887
00:50:50.599 --> 00:50:55.440
<v Speaker 1>conditions like Tourette syndrome and OCD which somehow culminates to

888
00:50:55.480 --> 00:50:59.320
<v Speaker 1>make you do something like that, which is just like

889
00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:01.719
<v Speaker 1>spitting on anyone with Tourette syndrome or OCD.

890
00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:03.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't think that would make you do.

891
00:51:03.880 --> 00:51:06.800
<v Speaker 1>That, but no, definitely not. It was ridiculous to say

892
00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:09.559
<v Speaker 1>the least, and it's no surprise to say nobody in

893
00:51:09.559 --> 00:51:11.360
<v Speaker 1>the court when was buying it. I'm pretty sure his

894
00:51:11.440 --> 00:51:14.440
<v Speaker 1>defense was probably even scoffing at it. But I digress.

895
00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:19.159
<v Speaker 1>The forensic proof was overwhelming, and Terry's own calls to

896
00:51:19.239 --> 00:51:23.079
<v Speaker 1>the police while they are basically serving as recorded confessions.

897
00:51:23.519 --> 00:51:26.559
<v Speaker 1>So in October of nineteen ninety seven, Terry Driver was

898
00:51:26.599 --> 00:51:30.000
<v Speaker 1>convicted a first degree murder for killing Tanya Smith and

899
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:33.880
<v Speaker 1>attempted murder for the attack on Misty Cockrell. The judge

900
00:51:33.920 --> 00:51:38.519
<v Speaker 1>sentenced him to life in prison with no chance of parole,

901
00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:42.960
<v Speaker 1>which is a mandatory sentence for first degree murder in Canada.

902
00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:44.239
<v Speaker 2>Good good, good.

903
00:51:44.880 --> 00:51:49.000
<v Speaker 1>Furthermore, Terry Driver was declared as a dangerous offender, a

904
00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:52.960
<v Speaker 1>designation reserved for the worst criminals, which meant he could

905
00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:57.639
<v Speaker 1>be kept incarcerated indefinitely for the safety of the public

906
00:51:57.840 --> 00:52:02.559
<v Speaker 1>should something happen with you know, his uh, what's the

907
00:52:02.599 --> 00:52:04.360
<v Speaker 1>word I'm looking for sentencing? There we go.

908
00:52:04.679 --> 00:52:07.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Okay, that's good, because, yeah, this guy is a

909
00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:08.920
<v Speaker 2>freaking menace to society.

910
00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:12.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so a Terry Driver locked away. The reign of

911
00:52:12.719 --> 00:52:16.159
<v Speaker 1>terror that had gripped Abbotsford finally came to an end.

912
00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:19.599
<v Speaker 1>The Abbotsford killer would spend the rest of his life

913
00:52:19.599 --> 00:52:23.360
<v Speaker 1>behind bars, never having another chance to harm an innocent person.

914
00:52:23.960 --> 00:52:27.119
<v Speaker 1>In fact, Terry Driver remained imprisoned until he died in

915
00:52:27.199 --> 00:52:31.199
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty one of natural causes, still serving his life sentence,

916
00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:35.000
<v Speaker 1>and he never showed signs of genuine remorse for his actions.

917
00:52:35.360 --> 00:52:38.760
<v Speaker 2>Seriously, Yeah, he wouldn't have been that old when he died.

918
00:52:38.920 --> 00:52:39.639
<v Speaker 1>No, I don't think so.

919
00:52:39.800 --> 00:52:42.440
<v Speaker 2>But I also feel like as soon as he, you know,

920
00:52:42.559 --> 00:52:44.960
<v Speaker 2>went into jail and stuff like, it probably gave mist

921
00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:46.559
<v Speaker 2>you a little bit of her life back too.

922
00:52:47.079 --> 00:52:49.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, definitely, like for her seeing her attacker brought to

923
00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:52.400
<v Speaker 1>justice was it was honestly a very crucial step in

924
00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:55.079
<v Speaker 1>her healing. Her recovery though was still going to be

925
00:52:55.119 --> 00:52:55.519
<v Speaker 1>a long.

926
00:52:55.400 --> 00:52:59.000
<v Speaker 2>Journey absolutely, yeah, forever, Oh definitely so.

927
00:52:59.079 --> 00:53:01.119
<v Speaker 1>In the years after the try trial, Misty worked to

928
00:53:01.119 --> 00:53:04.199
<v Speaker 1>rebuild her life. She had survived a real life horror

929
00:53:04.280 --> 00:53:07.119
<v Speaker 1>movie and emerged as a living witness against a killer.

930
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:12.360
<v Speaker 1>Refusing to be defined solely as a victim, Misty actually

931
00:53:12.400 --> 00:53:15.760
<v Speaker 1>grew into an aspiring advocate. She has spoken openly about

932
00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:19.079
<v Speaker 1>her experience both the trauma and the resilience, and became

933
00:53:19.159 --> 00:53:23.400
<v Speaker 1>a tireless voice for victims' rights. Looking back in the ordeal,

934
00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:28.320
<v Speaker 1>Misty has expressed that while she never forgave Terry for

935
00:53:28.400 --> 00:53:31.320
<v Speaker 1>what he did, she has freed herself from living in

936
00:53:31.360 --> 00:53:34.719
<v Speaker 1>a shadow, saying quote, I won't let him run my

937
00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:38.360
<v Speaker 1>life now. Instead, she chose to focus on the future,

938
00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:43.480
<v Speaker 1>honoring Tanya's memory by living life to its fullest. Misty's

939
00:53:43.599 --> 00:53:47.280
<v Speaker 1>unwavering courage, from fighting back during that attack to assisting

940
00:53:47.320 --> 00:53:51.480
<v Speaker 1>the investigation despite her injuries, to rebuilding her life afterwards,

941
00:53:51.960 --> 00:53:54.800
<v Speaker 1>it turned her into what many call the ultimate survivor

942
00:53:54.960 --> 00:53:57.840
<v Speaker 1>and what we hear on the show call the badass

943
00:53:58.079 --> 00:54:04.920
<v Speaker 1>of the day. The Abbotsford community, shaken but resilient, also

944
00:54:05.039 --> 00:54:08.719
<v Speaker 1>gradually healed. Tanya Smith's memory lives on in the hearts

945
00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:11.519
<v Speaker 1>of those who knew her, and every year people still

946
00:54:11.519 --> 00:54:15.360
<v Speaker 1>reflect on how this vicious predator was able to strike

947
00:54:15.519 --> 00:54:19.320
<v Speaker 1>in their midst and how he ultimately was unmasked and stopped.

948
00:54:20.480 --> 00:54:23.320
<v Speaker 1>The case of the Abbotsford Killer remains one of Canada's

949
00:54:23.360 --> 00:54:28.199
<v Speaker 1>most infamous criminal investigation and reminds us that sometimes true

950
00:54:28.239 --> 00:54:32.280
<v Speaker 1>evil can hide behind a friendly facade, but it also

951
00:54:32.360 --> 00:54:35.119
<v Speaker 1>tells the story of a life lost, end of a

952
00:54:35.159 --> 00:54:39.320
<v Speaker 1>life lived in defiance preservation by a brave young woman

953
00:54:39.480 --> 00:54:43.400
<v Speaker 1>who refused to let a murderer extinguish her spirit and

954
00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:47.840
<v Speaker 1>her friend's memory. And that's a story of the Abbotsford killer.

955
00:54:48.320 --> 00:54:52.440
<v Speaker 2>Hmm. Yeah, that is a new story for me too.

956
00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:56.559
<v Speaker 1>That's a wild ride with someone who fucking cocky as hell,

957
00:54:56.679 --> 00:54:58.199
<v Speaker 1>and I'm glad it caught up with them.

958
00:54:58.280 --> 00:55:00.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. Yeah, if this would have ended with

959
00:55:01.079 --> 00:55:03.840
<v Speaker 2>him not getting caught, I would have been completely liked.

960
00:55:03.920 --> 00:55:04.000
<v Speaker 3>Ye.

961
00:55:04.480 --> 00:55:07.320
<v Speaker 1>So to answer his question, do you think I would

962
00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:11.760
<v Speaker 1>be dumb enough to leave my fingerprints behind on a payphone? Yeah,

963
00:55:11.800 --> 00:55:14.000
<v Speaker 1>we think you're dumb enough to leave your fingerprints behind.

964
00:55:14.239 --> 00:55:18.000
<v Speaker 1>Why you were the most obvious place of all tape,

965
00:55:19.599 --> 00:55:19.800
<v Speaker 1>you know.

966
00:55:19.960 --> 00:55:22.320
<v Speaker 2>I also we have to be like pretty thankful for

967
00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:26.559
<v Speaker 2>his mom too, because the fact that I don't know

968
00:55:26.679 --> 00:55:29.559
<v Speaker 2>that would I feel like a lot of parents maybe

969
00:55:29.599 --> 00:55:32.639
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't even have called in, right, even if they did

970
00:55:33.159 --> 00:55:34.760
<v Speaker 2>suspect that it was their own kid.

971
00:55:34.840 --> 00:55:36.440
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's when you were saying, like, oh, it's kind

972
00:55:36.480 --> 00:55:38.239
<v Speaker 1>of funny that people like call in for all these

973
00:55:38.320 --> 00:55:41.480
<v Speaker 1>random things. It's like sometimes those random things are actually something.

974
00:55:41.920 --> 00:55:43.599
<v Speaker 1>That's kind of what I was like trying to say,

975
00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:46.880
<v Speaker 1>without giving anything away, is it could be the thing that,

976
00:55:47.360 --> 00:55:49.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, what brings the case to an end. In

977
00:55:49.920 --> 00:55:51.239
<v Speaker 1>this case, it actually was.

978
00:55:51.559 --> 00:55:54.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well no, I'm thankful she did because, like I

979
00:55:54.920 --> 00:55:57.079
<v Speaker 2>said earlier, that would not have been a good or

980
00:55:57.079 --> 00:55:58.480
<v Speaker 2>an easy phone call to make.

981
00:55:58.679 --> 00:56:00.679
<v Speaker 1>Definitely not. But I'm glad she made that call. It

982
00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:01.639
<v Speaker 1>was the right thing to do.

983
00:56:01.840 --> 00:56:05.280
<v Speaker 2>And I also feel very sorry that this man had

984
00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:08.840
<v Speaker 2>children that had to be brought up in this world

985
00:56:08.920 --> 00:56:16.239
<v Speaker 2>knowing that their father is a complete disgusting monster. There's

986
00:56:16.280 --> 00:56:19.800
<v Speaker 2>a lot I have to bite my tongue sometimes because

987
00:56:19.880 --> 00:56:21.760
<v Speaker 2>like I could just go off and call this guy

988
00:56:21.880 --> 00:56:24.320
<v Speaker 2>so much stuff, but then I'm like, Okay, this is

989
00:56:24.400 --> 00:56:25.400
<v Speaker 2>like kind of live.

990
00:56:25.559 --> 00:56:29.280
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I mean all right, I got you.

991
00:56:29.400 --> 00:56:32.000
<v Speaker 2>I sometimes if we have to stop, I'll like really

992
00:56:32.119 --> 00:56:34.920
<v Speaker 2>let some things go. But yeah, for here, I'll just like, yeah,

993
00:56:34.920 --> 00:56:38.639
<v Speaker 2>he is just scum of the earth. Let's just say that.

994
00:56:39.159 --> 00:56:43.599
<v Speaker 1>Oh definitely. But yeah, thank you guys for being here.

995
00:56:43.679 --> 00:56:45.920
<v Speaker 1>Sorry again that we didn't get an episode out last week,

996
00:56:45.960 --> 00:56:48.239
<v Speaker 1>but we are here regardless. I'm starting to feel it

997
00:56:48.280 --> 00:56:49.480
<v Speaker 1>in my throat a little bit. I don't know if

998
00:56:49.519 --> 00:56:50.599
<v Speaker 1>you can hear it in my voice.

999
00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:53.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well there's a lot of talking that, more so

1000
00:56:53.519 --> 00:56:55.239
<v Speaker 2>than you have been doing the past.

1001
00:56:55.360 --> 00:56:57.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I just need to drink a little bit of water,

1002
00:56:57.400 --> 00:57:00.639
<v Speaker 1>get some you know, some moisturize in my throat.

1003
00:57:01.159 --> 00:57:04.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but thank you for being here and being patient

1004
00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:07.280
<v Speaker 2>for this episode. So yeah, it was worth the way,

1005
00:57:07.320 --> 00:57:07.920
<v Speaker 2>that's for sure.

1006
00:57:08.159 --> 00:57:10.639
<v Speaker 1>Definitely, so thank you. You guys are amazing. Don't forget

1007
00:57:10.639 --> 00:57:13.119
<v Speaker 1>the description where you get all the links and good stuff,

1008
00:57:13.239 --> 00:57:16.400
<v Speaker 1>the socials, you know, it's all there. Thank you, You're

1009
00:57:16.440 --> 00:57:17.880
<v Speaker 1>amazing and until next

1010
00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:20.480
<v Speaker 2>Time, stay wicked.