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Speaker 1: on tonight's guest. Now, Tonight's guest wishes to remain anonymous,
Speaker 1: and with that in mind, I'm just gonna call her Lynn. Lynn.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Vic Well.
Speaker 1: Thanks for being here. Lynn. Please give us a brief
Speaker 1: bio on yourself.
Speaker 2: I've spent most of my life in Alaska. Oh, I've
Speaker 2: been in Uluwer forty eight for a little bit because
Speaker 2: I was caring for a very sick family member who
Speaker 2: just passed away. I lost her five months ago.
Speaker 1: Well, like I told you before we started this, I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry to hear about you losing her, but I'm
Speaker 1: sure she's so proud of you. And don't forget you're
Speaker 1: going to see her again. I know it's not easy,
Speaker 1: it's not easy at all, but you will see her again,
Speaker 1: So please try to keep that in mind. Considering how
Speaker 1: you spent most of your life in Alaska, do you
Speaker 1: see that as being a plus or a drawback?
Speaker 2: Plus?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Alaska is a beautiful place. I've been there a
Speaker 1: few times and it's just amazingly beautiful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like another place on the earth. You only
Speaker 2: place I love more than only only I think it
Speaker 2: means our said individual means more to me than Alaska
Speaker 2: was my mom, and that's the only person who ever
Speaker 2: gotten me out of Alaska.
Speaker 1: Very unique, So I can understand why you would say that.
Speaker 1: And speaking of you living there, from what I understand,
Speaker 1: you worked as a longshoreman while you were there. What
Speaker 1: was the most frightening close call that you had while
Speaker 1: doing that kind of work?
Speaker 2: Well, almost got hit by a palette see what else. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we practice a lot of safety. We're pretty safe. I
Speaker 2: would say more dangerous was when I commercial fish. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was dangerous, but long showing isn't really dangerous. There's
Speaker 2: a lot of safety protocols in place compare to take
Speaker 2: commercial fishing. But there's a reason you don't see a
Speaker 2: lot of old decans working on boats because once you
Speaker 2: get a certain age, you can't do it. You can't
Speaker 2: take the long hours. Yeah, you know, I mean physically demanding.
Speaker 2: I mean you don't worry about what's in the water
Speaker 2: because the water will kill you. And when you put
Speaker 2: on the survival suits, because your boat's going down and
Speaker 2: you better pray to God there's another boat close by
Speaker 2: to save your butt because you only last salon in
Speaker 2: those suits. Our captain used to tie us getting into them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, those can be some really bad waters. I can
Speaker 1: only imagine one must be like to put a suit
Speaker 1: like that on and have to step off the deck
Speaker 1: of a boat and into the water and there's no
Speaker 1: going back to you never had.
Speaker 2: To do it. I was on a very good boat,
Speaker 2: very well maintained boat. But if I had to do it,
Speaker 2: I was prepared to. When I heard about that show
Speaker 2: that they is on the you know, TV, putting somebody
Speaker 2: in a survival suit and floating them across because they
Speaker 2: wear that hand short, I went, oh my god, why
Speaker 2: would they do that. You either work at that hand
Speaker 2: short and then get that member, you know, after you
Speaker 2: finish yourself, and or you just drop everything and you
Speaker 2: get them in the Dutch and out on I mean immediately,
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, there's no getting a crew member
Speaker 2: from another boat, and it's no less bring or no,
Speaker 2: we don't do that. Just one example of that show
Speaker 2: is kind of a fallacy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, it does look like a totally different way
Speaker 1: of life. I can only imagine what it must be
Speaker 1: like to do that kind of work.
Speaker 2: That's not realistic that show. A real working boat wouldn't
Speaker 2: do the things that they do on this show. I
Speaker 2: mean some of it. Yeah, But the thing like putting
Speaker 2: that guy in the survival suit floating up to another boat.
Speaker 2: That's laughable.
Speaker 1: You mean you can't believe everything you see on.
Speaker 2: TV, especially when it comes to Alaska.
Speaker 1: Yeah, i'd say imagine that. Now. Lynn, you've always impressed
Speaker 1: me whenever we've spoken, is a no nonsense type of lady.
Speaker 1: Before you had your first experience with a cryptid, did
Speaker 1: you believe that they could possibly even be out there?
Speaker 2: Well, Harryman, yeah, I could. You know, I'd heard stories,
Speaker 2: I'd spoken with a lot of Native Alaskan friends, and
Speaker 2: you could continue it. But nothing quite prepares you for
Speaker 2: actually seeing that because we're thought that they don't exists,
Speaker 2: and it's purposely being kept quiet by powers it be.
Speaker 2: I mean that's obvious.
Speaker 1: Oh, no doubt. They definitely don't want you to know
Speaker 1: about their existence, and I think I think it's frant
Speaker 1: Why it's so hard to wrap your mind around them
Speaker 1: being out there is because when you do have your
Speaker 1: first experience, you realize that you've been living a lie.
Speaker 1: You've been lied to your whole life. You've been told
Speaker 1: ever since you were small that they aren't out there,
Speaker 1: that they can't exist.
Speaker 2: So you wonder what else you've been lied to about.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's only natural. Well, you've got a lot
Speaker 1: of dog men experiences to share with us, so let's
Speaker 1: get down to the meat and potatoes. Now. When you're
Speaker 1: telling us about your experiences, please tell us every last
Speaker 1: detail that you can recall.
Speaker 2: First time that I encountered them, was was going to
Speaker 2: see well my father in an area of East Texas
Speaker 2: or was he owns a ranch there and he's had
Speaker 2: it since what I see Dad about that in the eighties,
Speaker 2: early eight no, late late seventies, late seventies, when I
Speaker 2: first kind of heard about them, but I didn't know
Speaker 2: what I was hearing about. I didn't understand what I
Speaker 2: was hearing about. Was I was on Dutch? Was what mid?
Speaker 2: I think it was like nineties seven, ninety six, and
Speaker 2: my father and I were talking every weekend, and one
Speaker 2: that weekend he asked me, he goes, kid, you're look
Speaker 2: at these big black dogs down here in Texas. I said, well,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to confused that. Are you talking like, are
Speaker 2: they the neighbors dogs or are they like wild pheral?
Speaker 2: I mean, what exactly are we talking about here? He said, well,
Speaker 2: they're not the neighbors dogs, and they're big, really big.
Speaker 2: I said, well, what do they look like like big
Speaker 2: black wolves? And I said that there's no wolves in
Speaker 2: Texas to my knowledge, it hasn't been wolves there in
Speaker 2: probably one hundred years. And I said, what, you know,
Speaker 2: we're pretty good about guesstimating, uh, you know, wait time cattle,
Speaker 2: because when we ship in the fall, we kind of
Speaker 2: write down approximately what each cow waits so that we
Speaker 2: didn't get you know, ripped off by the stockyards. So
Speaker 2: we had a pretty good idea of what we should
Speaker 2: be getting money wise from each cow. Anyway, he said,
Speaker 2: so I said, well, based you know, on that, I said,
Speaker 2: what's the approximate weight of these dogs? And he says
Speaker 2: about the size of a two year old blackening as
Speaker 2: bull cap And I said, that's impossible. That that's we
Speaker 2: don't have bulls that being in Alaska. Are you sure
Speaker 2: that maybe distance you know, the perception that it looked
Speaker 2: bigger than they actually are five hundred pounds, that's just
Speaker 2: it's just impossible. And then in the background, my stepmother
Speaker 2: goes and they walk around on two legs like human beings,
Speaker 2: and I went, oh, I said, Dad, maybe is the
Speaker 2: doctor giving Dorothy some new kind of medication or something,
Speaker 2: because stucks walk around on two legs like humans. You know,
Speaker 2: maybe should have the doctor checker medication. It sounds like she's,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe hallucinating. I mean, what else would you think? Honestly,
Speaker 2: what would you think? And then all of a sudden
Speaker 2: he just shut up. He wouldn't didn't say another word.
Speaker 2: And I thought about it all that week. So next
Speaker 2: week when we spoke, so it's nothing. Whatever they are,
Speaker 2: they they're gone, they moved on. I haven't seen them,
Speaker 2: and I was the end of it, or so I thought. So,
Speaker 2: you know, years go by, my mother gets sick. I
Speaker 2: ended up staying here to take care of her and
Speaker 2: protect her and all this other stuff. You know, that's
Speaker 2: another story in itself. But she said you should go
Speaker 2: see your father. So I went. And so my dad, yeah,
Speaker 2: flew into Dallas, uh, running a small limo and roll
Speaker 2: out there. By the way. It's actually cheap route is
Speaker 2: to run a lousine than it is to take uber,
Speaker 2: at least there it is. So I think it was
Speaker 2: like a third night when we were having a good time.
Speaker 2: We laughed, joke to talk about the old days, you know, buying,
Speaker 2: selling cattle and trading horses and just that that kind
Speaker 2: of life is. Ah, it's a good life for those
Speaker 2: that can afford to still live it. Yeah, they're making
Speaker 2: it harder and harder for people to hang out to
Speaker 2: their family farms and stuff. So I don't know how
Speaker 2: much longer that's gonna last. Thing's going corporation. So that
Speaker 2: third night, oh okay, let me backtrack. Like, for like
Speaker 2: three days, he kept saying everything has to be inside
Speaker 2: the fence before dark. And I said, Dad, why do
Speaker 2: you keep saying that? He goes, Do I say that all?
Speaker 2: I said, yeah, like three or four times day. Why
Speaker 2: do you Why do you say that so much? I said, Well,
Speaker 2: he didn't lie to me. He said, well, he thought
Speaker 2: about it for a moment. He said, I either find
Speaker 2: them dead or I never see them again. Interesting. I'm like, hmm,
Speaker 2: that's strange. I said, So it sounds like you got
Speaker 2: a coyote problem. Maybe we should clean him out on
Speaker 2: him here, you know, And you just kind of smiled
Speaker 2: and yeah, it's probably not a bad idea. And so
Speaker 2: that third night, or wait, I think i'd had like
Speaker 2: two beers. You know, you know how you look you're
Speaker 2: you're talking and you'll be sipping. I mean the whole
Speaker 2: night I had like two beers. Was not drunk. Neither
Speaker 2: was he. We we were talking about the old days,
Speaker 2: talking about talking about that laugh and having a good time.
Speaker 2: And I'm one of those people that's constantly surveying my surroundings.
Speaker 2: I'm always like my peripheral I catch things on my
Speaker 2: peri field. Most people never catch because they're not they
Speaker 2: haven't had to be aware. They I don't think they've
Speaker 2: been in situations where they had to be alert like that,
Speaker 2: so they come I think what they have is a
Speaker 2: tunnel vision. Well me, I'm trying to always keep aware.
Speaker 2: I noticed these like twenty sets eyes out in the field.
Speaker 2: My dad's got like three of those big farm lights.
Speaker 2: I should be will see these. What was what came
Speaker 2: with those those sets of eyes? And uh, it was
Speaker 2: like a I mean, try to hit him with a flashlight.
Speaker 2: I couldn't see. It was really weird it so it
Speaker 2: was really black or something. It was a full moon
Speaker 2: that night too. That was the other thing I said
Speaker 2: that he was sitting down, what's out there? What is that?
Speaker 2: He gets up when he comes over and he kind
Speaker 2: of smiles. He wasn't afraid he wasn't nervous, completely relaxed,
Speaker 2: which in you know, you know, after I was analyzing
Speaker 2: all this in my head, putting this all together, and
Speaker 2: one thing that struck me is very strange. I met
Speaker 2: one of his neighbors like the day before, and he
Speaker 2: told me the story about my father let a five thousand,
Speaker 2: five thousand dollars bull left him die out in the field.
Speaker 2: I said, that, don't the guy. I know my dad
Speaker 2: would have done anything and everything humanly possible to save
Speaker 2: one of his cows. I remember was a kid pulling
Speaker 2: cows out of snow banks because Dad's business partner put
Speaker 2: the bull and it heard the wrong time of the year.
Speaker 2: We had cows coming in in snow banks, I mean
Speaker 2: dropping calves and snowmakers. It was. It was. We all
Speaker 2: managed to just to only lose one. We were very fortunate.
Speaker 2: Normally you had lost a lot more. But we were
Speaker 2: constantly on most horses out there looking they get back
Speaker 2: in those clients. And the only way to get get
Speaker 2: back in there is on horseback. That's it. You couldn't
Speaker 2: even get back in that a four wheeler. So he
Speaker 2: told tells me this story, and I'm like, I said,
Speaker 2: my dad did that. I don't sound like the guy
Speaker 2: I know at all. I just couldn't imagine my dad
Speaker 2: doing something like that, just left him out there to die.
Speaker 2: It all made sense later on. So he had contacted
Speaker 2: these guys since mid mid late nineties, but he never
Speaker 2: mentioned her again to me. I suppose he didn't want
Speaker 2: to be called crazy, because that's the first thing I got.
Speaker 2: I thought my stepmother is being over medicated or something.
Speaker 2: So anyway, he looks and, like I said, totally nonstant relaxed.
Speaker 2: He goes, Oh, that's just the young, young, young kid
Speaker 2: down the road. I'm listening to some some grazing land,
Speaker 2: you know. And I say, those are cattle. I know,
Speaker 2: predator's eyes when I see them. You know, those those
Speaker 2: are forward facing eyes. And then he says, oh, probably
Speaker 2: just coyotes. Say pretty big eyes for coyotes, wouldn't you say?
Speaker 2: And these are big gold eyes. And I was getting
Speaker 2: this odd feeling when I was looking at them. I'm
Speaker 2: pretty fearless. I mean, to me, fear is like a
Speaker 2: survival tool, but fear to the point of being incapacitated. No,
Speaker 2: I just won't allow it. I won't allow that. I
Speaker 2: won't allow myself to go there, because that's a dangerous situation.
Speaker 2: When you're incapacity treated and income, incapable of moving even
Speaker 2: you're in a bad situation, that's fear in the extreme.
Speaker 2: That's like terror. I would put that in actually that category.
Speaker 2: And I said, I remember saying to Dad, speaking of coyotes,
Speaker 2: we should go clean clean them out a little bit.
Speaker 2: Sounds like you got a problem with them around here,
Speaker 2: and that part almost I think Texas has a problem
Speaker 2: with coyotes these days. But I said, I can't stand them.
Speaker 2: There's nothing but scavengers, nothing like our beautiful, noble Alaskan wolves.
Speaker 2: And then right after I said that, okay, this grass
Speaker 2: was about waist high. What it came out fast. I mean,
Speaker 2: I have never seen anything move that fast in my life.
Speaker 2: About halfway between where came out of the deep deep
Speaker 2: grass and dead Stark trailer, which is I'm guessing around
Speaker 2: forty foot fifty foot probably seven foot high. No, it
Speaker 2: went by Peter halfway there. I'm marked where when it
Speaker 2: passed the Stark trailer, its head was above Stark trailer.
Speaker 2: Next day I went, not do it measured that When
Speaker 2: that happened, I'm like, what, And I mean I was
Speaker 2: just like, I'm looking at them out there, I'm looking
Speaker 2: at I'm looking at that. I'm like, what is going
Speaker 2: on here? Now? I know what I saw? That's it
Speaker 2: around I'd say around five five hundred, just like Dad said,
Speaker 2: backward facing hawks like a dog. I've heard of people
Speaker 2: seeing the woes that have like legs like a human.
Speaker 2: I've not seen them. I have not seen them. I
Speaker 2: suspect they're not the same as a dog. Man. I
Speaker 2: think there's something else, but I can't say because just
Speaker 2: from what I've heard, it sounds like they are something
Speaker 2: entirely different. So it was weird the way. It was
Speaker 2: almost like he was showing me he wasn't a manging
Speaker 2: COI or something. I don't know. It's the impression I got.
Speaker 2: So I'm looking at them and I'm counting eyes, and
Speaker 2: I'm like thinking, how ask can I get Dad's gun room?
Speaker 2: And I went, that's not gonna do any good. There's
Speaker 2: twenty of them. I just seen what that wanted to do.
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, I felt this wave
Speaker 2: of fear, no terror hit me, like I am I
Speaker 2: am never feel fear like that in my life, and
Speaker 2: I like I screamed, in my head. Stop now, get
Speaker 2: out of my head. And then it immediately was stopped,
Speaker 2: and and then I felt this overwhelming sense of curiosity.
Speaker 2: They can they can mind speak, they can convey feelings too.
Speaker 2: That's that's just tired. It's so strange to me. But
Speaker 2: at the time it felt completely normal, and that makes
Speaker 2: any sense. They said you're not like other humans. I said, no,
Speaker 2: I'm not, and I said what are you? Yeah, remember
Speaker 2: they said that they were old, very old. They've been
Speaker 2: here a long time. And I remember at one point
Speaker 2: I said, you know, you're not going to be safe here.
Speaker 2: It's going to come time. You're going to have to
Speaker 2: leave this area because the military will probably try to
Speaker 2: use you. And I heard like a chuckle, like soft laughter,
Speaker 2: and I said, seriously, I'm serious here, you guys. I said,
Speaker 2: let me show you my home. And I started showing
Speaker 2: them like features in my mind of Alaska, endless flat mountains, rivers,
Speaker 2: lakes and no roads anywhere, like what you'd see flying
Speaker 2: in a plane. And I said, probably a lot safer here.
Speaker 2: As you know, you guys are seem pretty capable. But
Speaker 2: when it comes to power, as it be, I don't
Speaker 2: think you hold you're gonna hold your home better. You'd
Speaker 2: be better off just to try to stay away. I
Speaker 2: didn't get the impression that these guys were evil. They're
Speaker 2: definitely carnivorous, and no doubt about that, they're meteors. But
Speaker 2: I've seen dealt with that all over Alaska. So I mean,
Speaker 2: we have bearers, we got well, you name it, we
Speaker 2: got it. But evil from what I've heard on your
Speaker 2: shoulder there, I definitely are some that are. But I
Speaker 2: did not get the impression from these guys. I think
Speaker 2: they like to see if they can scare people. Though
Speaker 2: they'd definitely like to see it. I think they find
Speaker 2: it amusing that most humans become afraid so easily. I
Speaker 2: think it's a test in some cases. In other cases,
Speaker 2: I think they want I just want the people out
Speaker 2: of their area. Maybe they have their mates, you're young,
Speaker 2: I don't know, but those would be good reasons scare
Speaker 2: somebody out of your area rather than harm them. Because
Speaker 2: so many people get harmed, there's going to start to
Speaker 2: be a trail, and that trail is going to lead
Speaker 2: right to their doorstep. So that'd be another reason for
Speaker 2: them not to actively be going after people. These guys,
Speaker 2: Like I said, you know impression I got said they
Speaker 2: weren't like out to get humans. But I've heard some
Speaker 2: really disturbing stories on your show that I think a
Speaker 2: lot there are a lot like humans in the fact
Speaker 2: that there's good and there's bad. There's good and bad elements.
Speaker 2: So you know, I went and sat back down with
Speaker 2: Dad and we started talking about different horses and this
Speaker 2: and that. Every once in a while I get up
Speaker 2: and I look still out there they were listening to
Speaker 2: our conversation. We finally broke off at three o'clock in
Speaker 2: the morning because we're both pretty tired. It was a
Speaker 2: good talk. I mean, we hadn't talk like that in years.
Speaker 2: So next night there was one at my window or
Speaker 2: Dad's in the room. I was staying in my dad's house.
Speaker 2: I just kind of ignored. I didn't know what else
Speaker 2: to do. I was just like just ignored him, and
Speaker 2: then I finally just won't sleep.
Speaker 3: Let's Seeah, So, okay, spend a couple of weeks with
Speaker 3: my father, then came back here.
Speaker 2: Because while I was gone, this neighbor kid renting. We
Speaker 2: own our property. These people were like renting from this
Speaker 2: guy who bought a property next to us. Shoved my
Speaker 2: mother knocked her down while I was gone. This kid
Speaker 2: is about my size, but if I'd have done anything
Speaker 2: to him, you know where I would end up in jail. Right,
Speaker 2: this seventy seventy nine year old woman knocked her down.
Speaker 2: I was furious. The second night I was back, all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, I have this. I had this big
Speaker 2: German shepherd. In fact, she's so big everybody always thought
Speaker 2: she was male. My mom used to call her high stepper,
Speaker 2: like a high stepping horse because she would she was
Speaker 2: beautiful German shepherd. So all of a sudden, I hear
Speaker 2: amber at my door, like you know how like dogs
Speaker 2: are scared, you know, they whine and they get frantic,
Speaker 2: and that's what she was doing. And I've never heard
Speaker 2: this dog do that before. So I opened the door.
Speaker 2: She comes in like really fast and then curls up
Speaker 2: in a ball in the middle of the out and
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, that's the wrong Amby. And she's kind
Speaker 2: of looked at me and looked back on the you know,
Speaker 2: either had her face or muscle in our paws. So
Speaker 2: that was weird. That was about I almost went upside
Speaker 2: just to see when I caught a We also have
Speaker 2: those you know, the big form lights you know, light
Speaker 2: up the area. And I caught a silhouette our shadow,
Speaker 2: you know, like the light behind you know, like if
Speaker 2: you're standing in front of a light, cast a shadow
Speaker 2: right on the h Yeah, we called the blinds. That's
Speaker 2: over the sink, the window like this in front of
Speaker 2: the sink, our shade. Shade. That's the way I'm I went, ah,
Speaker 2: I didn't know what that is, so I just laid
Speaker 2: down and I said, I know you're out there, Please
Speaker 2: don't hurt my animals. And the boy said, you don't
Speaker 2: have to worry about that. I said, good, And I
Speaker 2: knew Mom in her beds and I knew she was safe,
Speaker 2: so I just went to sleep. Funny thing is, next
Speaker 2: day the neighbor was the kid that knocked my mother
Speaker 2: down while I was gone, and his wife they were
Speaker 2: moving that day. They were eutither by noon. I don't
Speaker 2: know exactly what happened, but I suspect another thing. The
Speaker 2: one that showed up at the house here. It was
Speaker 2: great and like quite do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2: Like it wasn't and it was probably more like three
Speaker 2: hundred pounds, so it was lighter. It both like for
Speaker 2: because I seen again. I didn't see it that night.
Speaker 2: I could tell it was not as big from the
Speaker 2: shadow at cast, but when I actually see it, they're
Speaker 2: they're like around three hundred pounds. They're not as big
Speaker 2: as the other ones. But obviously they're connected or something
Speaker 2: that that I can't quite figure out. But everydently distance
Speaker 2: doesn't stop them from communicating. That's the only thing I
Speaker 2: can figure out. As does not come into the equation.
Speaker 2: So I was trying to figure out what the heck
Speaker 2: was going on. So I pretended like I was getting
Speaker 2: something out of the starch shed just so I could
Speaker 2: kind of ease drop see what the heck was going
Speaker 2: on over there. And the guy's wife was frantic. She
Speaker 2: was breaking out. I wasn't going to stay here another night.
Speaker 2: And they were all pretty all three of them were
Speaker 2: pretty upset, you know, like you said, they moved out
Speaker 2: in a hurry. I can only the only thing I
Speaker 2: can figure out is is that doc man did something.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's really that big of a deal
Speaker 2: for them to read our minds. That kind of bothers
Speaker 2: me in some ways, because you know, uh, people's thoughts
Speaker 2: should be their own thoughts it should be private. But
Speaker 2: when I look at it situation, they actually did me
Speaker 2: a favor. There's this kid's a monster. You people call
Speaker 2: these guys monsters. I've missed some human beings. There some
Speaker 2: real monsters through my life. I'm sure there are monsters
Speaker 2: with these guys too. I mean from what I've heard
Speaker 2: on your show. Yeah, there's real monsters, all right. It's
Speaker 2: it's a good, uh, a good reason to be carrying
Speaker 2: a heavy caliber rifle when you're running around and you're
Speaker 2: running on the woods, if you're out in the bush,
Speaker 2: because if they're out there, and they are there are
Speaker 2: ones like that, you better be able to protect yourself.
Speaker 2: I'm like forty five seventy something like that. It's really
Speaker 2: big and heavy. So I got in are not maybe
Speaker 2: about I can't remember exactly the timeframe, but I was
Speaker 2: going through physical therapy for my neck because i'd gotten
Speaker 2: rear ended by somebody. You's doing forty five miles an hour,
Speaker 2: and when I was at a stoplight, so I was
Speaker 2: doing that. I was coming back and forth between this
Speaker 2: large city and this small town and it's an area
Speaker 2: in Nevada, and this road. As soon as I turned
Speaker 2: off of it or this highway, but on this very
Speaker 2: small highway and my peripheal, I caught one on each
Speaker 2: side of me. They were raising me. Okay, keep in
Speaker 2: mind these guys, I'm doing well. When I hit this
Speaker 2: one that first like town, that's the way that it's
Speaker 2: to turn off this old town. I was doing ninety
Speaker 2: five miles an hour. My truck was doing ninety five
Speaker 2: and they peeled off. That's where they stopped and then
Speaker 2: erased me past there. But keep in mind, these guys
Speaker 2: are uneven ground with brush and set in the desert
Speaker 2: running and I'm I'm on asphalt and they're keeping up
Speaker 2: with me. It was like they were like really happy.
Speaker 2: I think they like to do that. Well. I mean
Speaker 2: you look at docs that you know, like the chase
Speaker 2: cars and stuff. I don't know it was I mean,
Speaker 2: I didn't feel a threat at all. There was no threat.
Speaker 2: It was just like, let's race. I remember you and
Speaker 2: I talked talked to me prior to this sexual interview,
Speaker 2: and it's spoken about truckers having had the same experience
Speaker 2: of them racing besides their semis.
Speaker 1: In the Nevada desert. That's right, that's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm guessing is probably the same area, approximately same area. Yeah,
Speaker 2: by the time I get get to therapy and stuff,
Speaker 2: and usually it was around eight maybe nine o'clock by
Speaker 2: the time I it was that was that was dark.
Speaker 2: It was dark unless there was a moon out that night.
Speaker 2: It's pretty dark. But it seems like every time I've
Speaker 2: seen these guys, it's not a full moon. Oh wait,
Speaker 2: there was one time. I'm sitting here looking at the
Speaker 2: cameras and it was it was a couple of summers ago.
Speaker 2: Mom was sleeping. I had the door open, and I
Speaker 2: heard this screaming. A guy's yelling and girls screaming. There
Speaker 2: were some homeless people about maybe a mile or quarter
Speaker 2: and a half a mile away, and they were sound.
Speaker 2: It's funny how sound carries in the desert. It's it's
Speaker 2: so different from Alaska anyway. So I heard them screaming
Speaker 2: and guys yelling like but I thought they were fighting
Speaker 2: or something. It's almost drunk, they're fighting. And all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, I'm looking at the cameras and I see
Speaker 2: this big black street come by. That's the only time
Speaker 2: I've ever seen a black one here ever. Other than that,
Speaker 2: they're always the smaller ones. And I Oh, I know
Speaker 2: what that was, got it on my camera. I happened
Speaker 2: to be just looking right at the cameras and because
Speaker 2: I was listening to what was going on, like probably
Speaker 2: like I said, sound carries, I was trying to figure out,
Speaker 2: like are they drunk and fighting? And I assume that's
Speaker 2: what was going on until I saw that, and he
Speaker 2: had a big old grin on his face. Oh, I'll
Speaker 2: be well, I won't say the word, but I'll you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot more of them out there.
Speaker 2: I think that people actually realize. I mean, I'm trying
Speaker 2: to figure out how I went most of my life
Speaker 2: in Alaska. I never saw one. That's what baffles me.
Speaker 2: Why did I see them down here but not in Alaska.
Speaker 2: You just get this feeling like maybe you're being watched
Speaker 2: or something. And I've gotten that before when I've been
Speaker 2: out in the bush, that feeling like you know, you
Speaker 2: are being watched and being watched with something intelligent. Anybody
Speaker 2: who's spent time in the bush, they know exactly what
Speaker 2: I'm talking about. I've seen him on the property a
Speaker 2: couple of times. That's pretty much my experience is that
Speaker 2: I can everything I can recall.
Speaker 1: Well, those are a lot of experiences. When the first
Speaker 1: dog men you saw clearly your dad's property, walk past
Speaker 1: that stock trailer.
Speaker 2: A lot walk. He was moving like I never seen
Speaker 2: any move in my life. I've never seen an animal
Speaker 2: move that past of my life. Actually, I don't know what.
Speaker 2: I don't think they're actually animals. I'm not sure what
Speaker 2: they are. But they're not a dumb animal, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: No, they're not. Was it looking at you were looking elsewhere?
Speaker 2: Looking at me? Looking right at me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that definitely doesn't help. Seeing something like a dog
Speaker 1: man walking by petally is hard enough to come to
Speaker 1: grips with, of course, but the experienced the mind speak,
Speaker 1: Has that been the hardest part of your encounters to
Speaker 1: come to grips with? Because you say that they're not evil,
Speaker 1: does that not make it quite so difficult to wrap
Speaker 1: your mind around.
Speaker 2: I can tell some things or someone's evil. They're not
Speaker 2: evil at least these guys weren't. Else what I've heard,
Speaker 2: Like a couple of these people's experiences that spoke on
Speaker 2: your podcast, Now, that's evil, Like the one that ripped
Speaker 2: through that wall, that's evil. That's evil, and that needs
Speaker 2: to be put down. Whatever it is these guys, I
Speaker 2: didn't get that impressional from them at all. In fact,
Speaker 2: I gotta they have a sense of right and wrong
Speaker 2: and justice. Almost noble answer. I really it's hard to
Speaker 2: put it into words.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's so many things about these guys that are
Speaker 1: so difficult to put into words. If you don't think
Speaker 1: that they're evil, does that mean that you think they're
Speaker 1: just flesh and blood creatures with the ability to mind speak,
Speaker 1: or do you think there's something else?
Speaker 2: I think there may been a time when we could
Speaker 2: do that. Okay, I don't know what happened in the past,
Speaker 2: something something changed drastically. I think there was a time
Speaker 2: when we were able to do things that we can't
Speaker 2: do today. I think we lived longer. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: I don't think there's evil ones out there, because I
Speaker 2: really do. I really do believe in that factor. They're
Speaker 2: no different than people. They can be good, they can
Speaker 2: be bad. I'm just fortunate to have not run into
Speaker 2: the bad ones.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very fortunate. Now you have had more than one
Speaker 1: encounter with a sasquatch, they seem to be evil, or
Speaker 1: did all of those Sasquats who encountered seem to be good.
Speaker 2: I don't think they're necessarily good or evil. I think
Speaker 2: they're just they are what they are. I mean, uh,
Speaker 2: for one, they're not threatened by women. Okay that men's
Speaker 2: around men. I think they act different. They they view
Speaker 2: human men as a threat. And I think that was
Speaker 2: also had a lot to do with it. They didn't
Speaker 2: really view me and my friend as a threat. If
Speaker 2: they're they're the way they talk, uh, it's it really
Speaker 2: sounds like, you know, like samurais you know how you
Speaker 2: if you've ever seen like an old Japanese movie where
Speaker 2: they're the samurai are you know how they're talking and
Speaker 2: they that's what it sounds like they understand what we're saying. Now.
Speaker 2: They understand what people are saying. I know that this
Speaker 2: one friend of mine, she's, uh, you pick and I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna say her village or anything, but she goes,
Speaker 2: did they steal your fish? I said, yeah, how do
Speaker 2: you know? Because they come into our fish camps in
Speaker 2: the summer fails to like maybe a rack, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, they take what they what they need. They
Speaker 2: don't like wipe them out or anything like that, take
Speaker 2: all their fish or something. They just take like one
Speaker 2: like long rack of fish. That's it. I think the
Speaker 2: reason I don't think they know how to. I don't
Speaker 2: think they swim well. I mean I could be wrong
Speaker 2: about that, but I don't think they So I think
Speaker 2: the issue is them catching those like nice bright, shiny
Speaker 2: you know, the good salmon. I'm not talking about the
Speaker 2: ones with a green head and they're red and they're
Speaker 2: full of ones and dying. You don't want them nice bright, shiny,
Speaker 2: you know, brighterly the better. I think they have maybe
Speaker 2: a hard time getting them. I think that's why they
Speaker 2: do it. But yeah, that's it's common for that that
Speaker 2: to happen. And it was funny the next day when
Speaker 2: fishing game came through and they told us, oh, there's
Speaker 2: some Asian people going up and down the river stealing
Speaker 2: people's fish. And my friend goes, how big are these Asians?
Speaker 2: Oh god, she's see those. They knew the jig was up.
Speaker 2: I said, well you better catch it because I'm really upset.
Speaker 2: I was going to fry those up for breakfast this morning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you said, they do that sort of thing
Speaker 1: all the time. They really do. When that family with
Speaker 1: a horrible boy who disrespected your mom moved out. Did
Speaker 1: you ever try to reach out to the dog men
Speaker 1: and the mind spoke with you to try to find
Speaker 1: out if the dog man actually did frighten them away?
Speaker 2: Oh I already know. I already know that's what happened.
Speaker 2: Did me a favor because, uh, my way of handling
Speaker 2: it was, oh, nobody touches my mother. Nobody. I was furious. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I thanked him.
Speaker 1: How did he respond when you thanked him?
Speaker 2: I just got this pleased? It was like a pleased
Speaker 2: he was pleased. You can put convey that into a feeling.
Speaker 2: That's what I got.
Speaker 1: Huh. Yeah, sounds like they did do that. Then you
Speaker 1: never know. There are all sorts of crazy things that
Speaker 1: could happen that might have driven that family off. I
Speaker 1: hope it was the dogman that did and sure sounds
Speaker 1: like it was. But yeah, that's why I asked that question.
Speaker 2: Well, it was just the one. But it only takes
Speaker 2: one of those guys. No one takes more of them,
Speaker 2: especially if they're out to scare somebody. Because I, like
Speaker 2: I said, I was in search shed eavesdropping on what
Speaker 2: was going on, and she's like, I'm not staying here
Speaker 2: another night. I'm not everyone, you know, like she didn't
Speaker 2: want to see it whatever she saw again, And I
Speaker 2: got it. I was like, Okay, I know what happened here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll bet she did want to see what she
Speaker 1: saw every again. I get it. Now, after you heard
Speaker 1: those homeless people screaming a few summers ago, did you
Speaker 1: ever try to track them down to find out what
Speaker 1: happened that night? Or did you just let it be?
Speaker 2: Nobody got hurt? So you know that the thing they
Speaker 2: love to scare that they find it so amusing that
Speaker 2: humans getting afraid become afraid so easily. I think he
Speaker 2: was just having a good time landing a joke on somebody.
Speaker 2: I mean absolutely, that's how they look at it, because
Speaker 2: nobody got hurt.
Speaker 1: Seems like a lot of them. That's what they live for,
Speaker 1: almost is to terrify people to within an inch of
Speaker 1: their lives. So I can understand why you would say
Speaker 1: that you said that you haven't had any dog mean
Speaker 1: encounters in Alaska. Does that mean that you don't think
Speaker 1: they're in Alaska in any great numbers?
Speaker 2: Do you think.
Speaker 1: Or do you think that you haven't had an encounter
Speaker 1: because you just didn't happen to bump into one.
Speaker 2: I think that I wasn't in their area because I
Speaker 2: get the distinct impression that Harryman and Document don't really
Speaker 2: hang out with each other day. I don't think they
Speaker 2: hang out in each other areas. I think they have
Speaker 2: their own areas. I just haven't. But then you know,
Speaker 2: when I felt eyes on me, it could have been them.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Like I said, there's been times when
Speaker 2: I've been out in the bush and I know I'm
Speaker 2: being watched because I'm like hyper vigilant. I know I'm
Speaker 2: being watched, but I can't I can't place it. I
Speaker 2: can't find out where it's coming from.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I tell people, trust your instincts, they normally
Speaker 1: will be pretty accurate. We're about out of time here, win,
Speaker 1: But before we go, do you have any clothes in
Speaker 1: comments you want to put out there for us?
Speaker 2: If you can avoid shooting them, avoid it. But from
Speaker 2: what I heard from a few of those your podcasts situations,
Speaker 2: there's like no other option. But I understand that they
Speaker 2: have rogue elements, just like we do. It's good and
Speaker 2: there's bad everywhere. It's just life the way things are. No,
Speaker 2: I do my best suit, I've got to live in
Speaker 2: my own skin. So I can't do something that goes
Speaker 2: against what I feel. You know, bad the creator, Yeah,
Speaker 2: wayh whatever you what you deems being wrong, I can't
Speaker 2: do that. I can't go against that, and I wouldn't
Speaker 2: not to say I haven't made mistakes. Everybody's made mistakes,
Speaker 2: you know, it's just life. We'll all make mistakes. But
Speaker 2: the idea is to learn from it and try to
Speaker 2: be a better person. Be a better person. One thing,
Speaker 2: I forgot that bull that my dad left out there,
Speaker 2: five thousand dollars bull just left out there, and I
Speaker 2: think he was feeding them. I think he left it
Speaker 2: out there for them because he had been dealing with
Speaker 2: those guys since the mid about the mid nineties. I
Speaker 2: have an amazing memory because that clicked all the way.
Speaker 2: That conversation that we had when I was out in
Speaker 2: Dutch all those years ago collicked, and then everything kind
Speaker 2: of fell into place for me because through the years
Speaker 2: I asked him, I said, Dad, you were you use
Speaker 2: many cows down here? And he said, once in a while,
Speaker 2: I was a calf. Lots of couple of cows over
Speaker 2: the years. Other than that, no, So I don't know
Speaker 2: what kind of deal or arrangement d with these guys, but.
Speaker 3: He was.
Speaker 2: H almost like kind of protecting him Muslims. I don't know.
Speaker 2: There's I wish I would have had that conversation with
Speaker 2: because I had a lot of questions I wanted to
Speaker 2: ask him.
Speaker 1: It really does make you wonder what kind of an
Speaker 1: arrangements have had.
Speaker 2: But I know he had some cattle russelled like twenty heads.
Speaker 1: In the UH.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, it was in the late nineties.
Speaker 2: There's some cowstone that never happened again.
Speaker 1: Oh I bet it didn't when you have a security
Speaker 1: guard out there like that. I don't doubt that at all.
Speaker 1: But having said that, thanks again so much for coming on, Lynn.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate your time, and have a great night.