1 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:19,559 Speaker 1: At a. 2 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:28,879 Speaker 2: Book. 3 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,519 Speaker 1: Before we bring on Tonight's guest, I want to put 4 00:01:29,519 --> 00:01:32,560 something out there for you. For some time now, since 5 00:01:32,599 --> 00:01:35,879 I started hearing live stream episodes, I've seen comments put 6 00:01:35,879 --> 00:01:40,680 out there where people seemingly think that I've stopped putting 7 00:01:40,719 --> 00:01:44,359 out regular episodes of the show. They've made comments about, oh, 8 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:46,799 it's good to see you posting episodes again. Well, I 9 00:01:46,879 --> 00:01:50,200 never did stop. Apparently, if you think that, then you're 10 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,879 missing all the live stream episodes. Most of the time anymore, 11 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:58,799 I am hearing live stream episodes with occasional pre recorded 12 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,400 episodes sprinkled. So if you think that I stopped during 13 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,680 regular weekly episodes, it just means that you've got a 14 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,879 library of live stream episodes that you've been missing. If 15 00:02:10,159 --> 00:02:12,919 that's the case, you must be only using YouTube to 16 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,319 listen to the show. To find those live stream episodes, 17 00:02:16,479 --> 00:02:19,719 just go to the dog Man Encounters YouTube channel, and 18 00:02:20,159 --> 00:02:23,719 towards the top there you'll see different categories of my videos. 19 00:02:24,039 --> 00:02:26,719 We'll click on live and then all the live streams 20 00:02:26,759 --> 00:02:29,039 will pop up. That way, you can see all the 21 00:02:29,039 --> 00:02:32,280 episodes you've been missing. But having said that, let's bring 22 00:02:32,319 --> 00:02:37,240 on tonight's guest. Now, Tonight's guest wishes to remain anonymous, 23 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,639 and with that in mind, I'm just gonna call her Lynn. Lynn. 24 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:41,759 Welcome to the show. 25 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 2: Thank you, Vic Well. 26 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,439 Speaker 1: Thanks for being here. Lynn. Please give us a brief 27 00:02:47,479 --> 00:02:48,520 bio on yourself. 28 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 2: I've spent most of my life in Alaska. Oh, I've 29 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,520 been in Uluwer forty eight for a little bit because 30 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,599 I was caring for a very sick family member who 31 00:03:04,039 --> 00:03:08,000 just passed away. I lost her five months ago. 32 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: Well, like I told you before we started this, I'm 33 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,599 so sorry to hear about you losing her, but I'm 34 00:03:14,599 --> 00:03:17,280 sure she's so proud of you. And don't forget you're 35 00:03:17,319 --> 00:03:19,719 going to see her again. I know it's not easy, 36 00:03:19,719 --> 00:03:22,800 it's not easy at all, but you will see her again, 37 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,560 So please try to keep that in mind. Considering how 38 00:03:26,599 --> 00:03:28,800 you spent most of your life in Alaska, do you 39 00:03:28,879 --> 00:03:31,080 see that as being a plus or a drawback? 40 00:03:31,879 --> 00:03:32,479 Speaker 2: Plus? 41 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, Alaska is a beautiful place. I've been there a 42 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,400 few times and it's just amazingly beautiful. 43 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like another place on the earth. You only 44 00:03:45,639 --> 00:03:50,080 place I love more than only only I think it 45 00:03:50,199 --> 00:03:54,719 means our said individual means more to me than Alaska 46 00:03:54,800 --> 00:04:00,400 was my mom, and that's the only person who ever 47 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:01,680 gotten me out of Alaska. 48 00:04:02,919 --> 00:04:05,719 Speaker 1: Very unique, So I can understand why you would say that. 49 00:04:05,879 --> 00:04:09,080 And speaking of you living there, from what I understand, 50 00:04:09,159 --> 00:04:12,319 you worked as a longshoreman while you were there. What 51 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,960 was the most frightening close call that you had while 52 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:16,120 doing that kind of work? 53 00:04:17,399 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 2: Well, almost got hit by a palette see what else. Yeah, 54 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:29,040 we practice a lot of safety. We're pretty safe. I 55 00:04:29,079 --> 00:04:33,800 would say more dangerous was when I commercial fish. Yeah, 56 00:04:33,879 --> 00:04:40,079 that was dangerous, but long showing isn't really dangerous. There's 57 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:44,879 a lot of safety protocols in place compare to take 58 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:50,079 commercial fishing. But there's a reason you don't see a 59 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:55,519 lot of old decans working on boats because once you 60 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,959 get a certain age, you can't do it. You can't 61 00:05:00,079 --> 00:05:07,319 take the long hours. Yeah, you know, I mean physically demanding. 62 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:11,480 I mean you don't worry about what's in the water 63 00:05:11,519 --> 00:05:15,319 because the water will kill you. And when you put 64 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,639 on the survival suits, because your boat's going down and 65 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,399 you better pray to God there's another boat close by 66 00:05:21,519 --> 00:05:25,519 to save your butt because you only last salon in 67 00:05:25,519 --> 00:05:29,680 those suits. Our captain used to tie us getting into them. 68 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, those can be some really bad waters. I can 69 00:05:33,639 --> 00:05:35,720 only imagine one must be like to put a suit 70 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,360 like that on and have to step off the deck 71 00:05:38,399 --> 00:05:40,720 of a boat and into the water and there's no 72 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:42,160 going back to you never had. 73 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:45,319 Speaker 2: To do it. I was on a very good boat, 74 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:50,040 very well maintained boat. But if I had to do it, 75 00:05:50,079 --> 00:05:55,399 I was prepared to. When I heard about that show 76 00:05:55,480 --> 00:06:00,439 that they is on the you know, TV, putting somebody 77 00:06:00,439 --> 00:06:02,879 in a survival suit and floating them across because they 78 00:06:02,879 --> 00:06:07,480 wear that hand short, I went, oh my god, why 79 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:12,759 would they do that. You either work at that hand 80 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:18,120 short and then get that member, you know, after you 81 00:06:18,199 --> 00:06:21,480 finish yourself, and or you just drop everything and you 82 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:26,920 get them in the Dutch and out on I mean immediately, 83 00:06:26,959 --> 00:06:32,959 you know. I mean, there's no getting a crew member 84 00:06:32,959 --> 00:06:39,680 from another boat, and it's no less bring or no, 85 00:06:39,879 --> 00:06:43,519 we don't do that. Just one example of that show 86 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,800 is kind of a fallacy. 87 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, it does look like a totally different way 88 00:06:50,079 --> 00:06:52,439 of life. I can only imagine what it must be 89 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:53,720 like to do that kind of work. 90 00:06:55,000 --> 00:07:01,519 Speaker 2: That's not realistic that show. A real working boat wouldn't 91 00:07:01,519 --> 00:07:05,000 do the things that they do on this show. I 92 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,560 mean some of it. Yeah, But the thing like putting 93 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,560 that guy in the survival suit floating up to another boat. 94 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:12,959 That's laughable. 95 00:07:13,959 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: You mean you can't believe everything you see on. 96 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:21,319 Speaker 2: TV, especially when it comes to Alaska. 97 00:07:22,439 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, i'd say imagine that. Now. Lynn, you've always impressed 98 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:30,439 me whenever we've spoken, is a no nonsense type of lady. 99 00:07:30,879 --> 00:07:34,240 Before you had your first experience with a cryptid, did 100 00:07:34,319 --> 00:07:36,480 you believe that they could possibly even be out there? 101 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:43,959 Speaker 2: Well, Harryman, yeah, I could. You know, I'd heard stories, 102 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:48,040 I'd spoken with a lot of Native Alaskan friends, and 103 00:07:48,959 --> 00:07:55,040 you could continue it. But nothing quite prepares you for 104 00:07:55,360 --> 00:08:01,680 actually seeing that because we're thought that they don't exists, 105 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:07,680 and it's purposely being kept quiet by powers it be. 106 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:09,399 I mean that's obvious. 107 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,199 Speaker 1: Oh, no doubt. They definitely don't want you to know 108 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,720 about their existence, and I think I think it's frant 109 00:08:15,839 --> 00:08:18,120 Why it's so hard to wrap your mind around them 110 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,600 being out there is because when you do have your 111 00:08:20,639 --> 00:08:23,279 first experience, you realize that you've been living a lie. 112 00:08:23,399 --> 00:08:25,759 You've been lied to your whole life. You've been told 113 00:08:25,839 --> 00:08:28,240 ever since you were small that they aren't out there, 114 00:08:28,279 --> 00:08:29,439 that they can't exist. 115 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 2: So you wonder what else you've been lied to about. 116 00:08:32,639 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's only natural. Well, you've got a lot 117 00:08:36,159 --> 00:08:39,120 of dog men experiences to share with us, so let's 118 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,639 get down to the meat and potatoes. Now. When you're 119 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,559 telling us about your experiences, please tell us every last 120 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:45,919 detail that you can recall. 121 00:08:47,519 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 2: First time that I encountered them, was was going to 122 00:08:52,320 --> 00:09:00,799 see well my father in an area of East Texas 123 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:07,480 or was he owns a ranch there and he's had 124 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:12,159 it since what I see Dad about that in the eighties, 125 00:09:13,039 --> 00:09:18,679 early eight no, late late seventies, late seventies, when I 126 00:09:18,879 --> 00:09:21,840 first kind of heard about them, but I didn't know 127 00:09:21,879 --> 00:09:24,240 what I was hearing about. I didn't understand what I 128 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:31,519 was hearing about. Was I was on Dutch? Was what mid? 129 00:09:31,799 --> 00:09:39,480 I think it was like nineties seven, ninety six, and 130 00:09:39,519 --> 00:09:46,320 my father and I were talking every weekend, and one 131 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:52,960 that weekend he asked me, he goes, kid, you're look 132 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:59,159 at these big black dogs down here in Texas. I said, well, 133 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,600 I'm trying to confused that. Are you talking like, are 134 00:10:03,639 --> 00:10:07,200 they the neighbors dogs or are they like wild pheral? 135 00:10:07,519 --> 00:10:11,559 I mean, what exactly are we talking about here? He said, well, 136 00:10:12,519 --> 00:10:17,840 they're not the neighbors dogs, and they're big, really big. 137 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:25,600 I said, well, what do they look like like big 138 00:10:25,639 --> 00:10:30,639 black wolves? And I said that there's no wolves in 139 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:34,200 Texas to my knowledge, it hasn't been wolves there in 140 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:41,919 probably one hundred years. And I said, what, you know, 141 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:46,480 we're pretty good about guesstimating, uh, you know, wait time cattle, 142 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,480 because when we ship in the fall, we kind of 143 00:10:50,519 --> 00:10:55,759 write down approximately what each cow waits so that we 144 00:10:55,840 --> 00:11:02,120 didn't get you know, ripped off by the stockyards. So 145 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,519 we had a pretty good idea of what we should 146 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:15,519 be getting money wise from each cow. Anyway, he said, 147 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:20,759 so I said, well, based you know, on that, I said, 148 00:11:20,159 --> 00:11:27,200 what's the approximate weight of these dogs? And he says 149 00:11:27,879 --> 00:11:30,480 about the size of a two year old blackening as 150 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:36,279 bull cap And I said, that's impossible. That that's we 151 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:41,360 don't have bulls that being in Alaska. Are you sure 152 00:11:41,399 --> 00:11:45,960 that maybe distance you know, the perception that it looked 153 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:51,200 bigger than they actually are five hundred pounds, that's just 154 00:11:52,879 --> 00:12:00,720 it's just impossible. And then in the background, my stepmother 155 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:04,399 goes and they walk around on two legs like human beings, 156 00:12:04,399 --> 00:12:10,960 and I went, oh, I said, Dad, maybe is the 157 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,879 doctor giving Dorothy some new kind of medication or something, 158 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:20,440 because stucks walk around on two legs like humans. You know, 159 00:12:20,519 --> 00:12:26,879 maybe should have the doctor checker medication. It sounds like she's, 160 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:33,399 you know, maybe hallucinating. I mean, what else would you think? Honestly, 161 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:37,559 what would you think? And then all of a sudden 162 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:41,559 he just shut up. He wouldn't didn't say another word. 163 00:12:41,919 --> 00:12:46,279 And I thought about it all that week. So next 164 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:50,879 week when we spoke, so it's nothing. Whatever they are, 165 00:12:50,919 --> 00:12:55,240 they they're gone, they moved on. I haven't seen them, 166 00:12:55,559 --> 00:13:01,360 and I was the end of it, or so I thought. So, 167 00:13:01,759 --> 00:13:08,960 you know, years go by, my mother gets sick. I 168 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:15,279 ended up staying here to take care of her and 169 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:19,679 protect her and all this other stuff. You know, that's 170 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:26,639 another story in itself. But she said you should go 171 00:13:26,639 --> 00:13:32,799 see your father. So I went. And so my dad, yeah, 172 00:13:34,039 --> 00:13:39,559 flew into Dallas, uh, running a small limo and roll 173 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,240 out there. By the way. It's actually cheap route is 174 00:13:43,519 --> 00:13:45,960 to run a lousine than it is to take uber, 175 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:55,639 at least there it is. So I think it was 176 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:59,080 like a third night when we were having a good time. 177 00:13:59,159 --> 00:14:04,879 We laughed, joke to talk about the old days, you know, buying, 178 00:14:06,159 --> 00:14:13,759 selling cattle and trading horses and just that that kind 179 00:14:13,799 --> 00:14:20,240 of life is. Ah, it's a good life for those 180 00:14:20,279 --> 00:14:24,200 that can afford to still live it. Yeah, they're making 181 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,120 it harder and harder for people to hang out to 182 00:14:26,159 --> 00:14:29,120 their family farms and stuff. So I don't know how 183 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:36,200 much longer that's gonna last. Thing's going corporation. So that 184 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:42,879 third night, oh okay, let me backtrack. Like, for like 185 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:47,279 three days, he kept saying everything has to be inside 186 00:14:48,759 --> 00:14:55,519 the fence before dark. And I said, Dad, why do 187 00:14:55,519 --> 00:14:57,759 you keep saying that? He goes, Do I say that all? 188 00:14:58,039 --> 00:15:03,080 I said, yeah, like three or four times day. Why 189 00:15:03,159 --> 00:15:06,919 do you Why do you say that so much? I said, Well, 190 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:10,200 he didn't lie to me. He said, well, he thought 191 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:14,399 about it for a moment. He said, I either find 192 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:23,399 them dead or I never see them again. Interesting. I'm like, hmm, 193 00:15:23,879 --> 00:15:26,200 that's strange. I said, So it sounds like you got 194 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,720 a coyote problem. Maybe we should clean him out on 195 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:35,639 him here, you know, And you just kind of smiled 196 00:15:35,679 --> 00:15:41,159 and yeah, it's probably not a bad idea. And so 197 00:15:41,279 --> 00:15:46,120 that third night, or wait, I think i'd had like 198 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,240 two beers. You know, you know how you look you're 199 00:15:49,399 --> 00:15:53,000 you're talking and you'll be sipping. I mean the whole 200 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:57,200 night I had like two beers. Was not drunk. Neither 201 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:02,399 was he. We we were talking about the old days, 202 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:08,200 talking about talking about that laugh and having a good time. 203 00:16:09,639 --> 00:16:15,919 And I'm one of those people that's constantly surveying my surroundings. 204 00:16:16,759 --> 00:16:20,120 I'm always like my peripheral I catch things on my 205 00:16:20,159 --> 00:16:25,320 peri field. Most people never catch because they're not they 206 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:31,000 haven't had to be aware. They I don't think they've 207 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,840 been in situations where they had to be alert like that, 208 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,799 so they come I think what they have is a 209 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:46,960 tunnel vision. Well me, I'm trying to always keep aware. 210 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,159 I noticed these like twenty sets eyes out in the field. 211 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:59,200 My dad's got like three of those big farm lights. 212 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:03,120 I should be will see these. What was what came 213 00:17:03,159 --> 00:17:09,160 with those those sets of eyes? And uh, it was 214 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:13,000 like a I mean, try to hit him with a flashlight. 215 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:18,480 I couldn't see. It was really weird it so it 216 00:17:18,519 --> 00:17:24,240 was really black or something. It was a full moon 217 00:17:24,279 --> 00:17:27,680 that night too. That was the other thing I said 218 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:33,480 that he was sitting down, what's out there? What is that? 219 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:36,799 He gets up when he comes over and he kind 220 00:17:36,799 --> 00:17:44,079 of smiles. He wasn't afraid he wasn't nervous, completely relaxed, 221 00:17:46,559 --> 00:17:52,880 which in you know, you know, after I was analyzing 222 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,599 all this in my head, putting this all together, and 223 00:17:56,839 --> 00:18:00,519 one thing that struck me is very strange. I met 224 00:18:00,559 --> 00:18:03,440 one of his neighbors like the day before, and he 225 00:18:03,599 --> 00:18:07,599 told me the story about my father let a five thousand, 226 00:18:08,559 --> 00:18:12,599 five thousand dollars bull left him die out in the field. 227 00:18:13,799 --> 00:18:17,240 I said, that, don't the guy. I know my dad 228 00:18:17,279 --> 00:18:20,640 would have done anything and everything humanly possible to save 229 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:24,680 one of his cows. I remember was a kid pulling 230 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,160 cows out of snow banks because Dad's business partner put 231 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,599 the bull and it heard the wrong time of the year. 232 00:18:31,319 --> 00:18:33,839 We had cows coming in in snow banks, I mean 233 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:39,039 dropping calves and snowmakers. It was. It was. We all 234 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,680 managed to just to only lose one. We were very fortunate. 235 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,759 Normally you had lost a lot more. But we were 236 00:18:47,759 --> 00:18:51,559 constantly on most horses out there looking they get back 237 00:18:51,599 --> 00:18:53,599 in those clients. And the only way to get get 238 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,480 back in there is on horseback. That's it. You couldn't 239 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:02,960 even get back in that a four wheeler. So he 240 00:19:03,039 --> 00:19:06,480 told tells me this story, and I'm like, I said, 241 00:19:06,519 --> 00:19:10,240 my dad did that. I don't sound like the guy 242 00:19:10,319 --> 00:19:16,880 I know at all. I just couldn't imagine my dad 243 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,039 doing something like that, just left him out there to die. 244 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:27,240 It all made sense later on. So he had contacted 245 00:19:27,319 --> 00:19:35,640 these guys since mid mid late nineties, but he never 246 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:37,960 mentioned her again to me. I suppose he didn't want 247 00:19:38,039 --> 00:19:41,519 to be called crazy, because that's the first thing I got. 248 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,960 I thought my stepmother is being over medicated or something. 249 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:56,880 So anyway, he looks and, like I said, totally nonstant relaxed. 250 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,440 He goes, Oh, that's just the young, young, young kid 251 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,880 down the road. I'm listening to some some grazing land, 252 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:09,160 you know. And I say, those are cattle. I know, 253 00:20:09,279 --> 00:20:14,160 predator's eyes when I see them. You know, those those 254 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:18,359 are forward facing eyes. And then he says, oh, probably 255 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,240 just coyotes. Say pretty big eyes for coyotes, wouldn't you say? 256 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:27,839 And these are big gold eyes. And I was getting 257 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:36,240 this odd feeling when I was looking at them. I'm 258 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:40,839 pretty fearless. I mean, to me, fear is like a 259 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:49,200 survival tool, but fear to the point of being incapacitated. No, 260 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,720 I just won't allow it. I won't allow that. I 261 00:20:53,759 --> 00:20:58,279 won't allow myself to go there, because that's a dangerous situation. 262 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:04,000 When you're incapacity treated and income, incapable of moving even 263 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:10,400 you're in a bad situation, that's fear in the extreme. 264 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:15,160 That's like terror. I would put that in actually that category. 265 00:21:16,759 --> 00:21:20,680 And I said, I remember saying to Dad, speaking of coyotes, 266 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:25,680 we should go clean clean them out a little bit. 267 00:21:26,039 --> 00:21:28,079 Sounds like you got a problem with them around here, 268 00:21:28,799 --> 00:21:31,759 and that part almost I think Texas has a problem 269 00:21:31,759 --> 00:21:35,720 with coyotes these days. But I said, I can't stand them. 270 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:39,680 There's nothing but scavengers, nothing like our beautiful, noble Alaskan wolves. 271 00:21:39,759 --> 00:21:43,960 And then right after I said that, okay, this grass 272 00:21:44,039 --> 00:21:49,960 was about waist high. What it came out fast. I mean, 273 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:54,240 I have never seen anything move that fast in my life. 274 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,799 About halfway between where came out of the deep deep 275 00:22:00,599 --> 00:22:06,839 grass and dead Stark trailer, which is I'm guessing around 276 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:14,279 forty foot fifty foot probably seven foot high. No, it 277 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:21,079 went by Peter halfway there. I'm marked where when it 278 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:25,680 passed the Stark trailer, its head was above Stark trailer. 279 00:22:28,839 --> 00:22:33,079 Next day I went, not do it measured that When 280 00:22:33,079 --> 00:22:37,359 that happened, I'm like, what, And I mean I was 281 00:22:37,519 --> 00:22:42,279 just like, I'm looking at them out there, I'm looking 282 00:22:42,319 --> 00:22:47,720 at I'm looking at that. I'm like, what is going 283 00:22:47,759 --> 00:22:58,240 on here? Now? I know what I saw? That's it 284 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,839 around I'd say around five five hundred, just like Dad said, 285 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:10,000 backward facing hawks like a dog. I've heard of people 286 00:23:10,039 --> 00:23:13,680 seeing the woes that have like legs like a human. 287 00:23:14,039 --> 00:23:23,640 I've not seen them. I have not seen them. I 288 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,279 suspect they're not the same as a dog. Man. I 289 00:23:27,279 --> 00:23:32,400 think there's something else, but I can't say because just 290 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,359 from what I've heard, it sounds like they are something 291 00:23:36,559 --> 00:23:48,920 entirely different. So it was weird the way. It was 292 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,119 almost like he was showing me he wasn't a manging 293 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,759 COI or something. I don't know. It's the impression I got. 294 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:02,720 So I'm looking at them and I'm counting eyes, and 295 00:24:02,799 --> 00:24:06,559 I'm like thinking, how ask can I get Dad's gun room? 296 00:24:06,839 --> 00:24:09,640 And I went, that's not gonna do any good. There's 297 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,720 twenty of them. I just seen what that wanted to do. 298 00:24:13,599 --> 00:24:16,079 And then all of a sudden, I felt this wave 299 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:20,240 of fear, no terror hit me, like I am I 300 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,880 am never feel fear like that in my life, and 301 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:28,720 I like I screamed, in my head. Stop now, get 302 00:24:28,759 --> 00:24:32,920 out of my head. And then it immediately was stopped, 303 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:41,039 and and then I felt this overwhelming sense of curiosity. 304 00:24:43,279 --> 00:24:48,200 They can they can mind speak, they can convey feelings too. 305 00:24:49,759 --> 00:24:53,759 That's that's just tired. It's so strange to me. But 306 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:58,480 at the time it felt completely normal, and that makes 307 00:24:58,519 --> 00:25:03,440 any sense. They said you're not like other humans. I said, no, 308 00:25:03,519 --> 00:25:14,960 I'm not, and I said what are you? Yeah, remember 309 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:21,160 they said that they were old, very old. They've been 310 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:33,039 here a long time. And I remember at one point 311 00:25:33,079 --> 00:25:35,519 I said, you know, you're not going to be safe here. 312 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,440 It's going to come time. You're going to have to 313 00:25:39,519 --> 00:25:43,920 leave this area because the military will probably try to 314 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:52,440 use you. And I heard like a chuckle, like soft laughter, 315 00:25:54,440 --> 00:26:02,559 and I said, seriously, I'm serious here, you guys. I said, 316 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:07,200 let me show you my home. And I started showing 317 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:15,839 them like features in my mind of Alaska, endless flat mountains, rivers, 318 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:20,319 lakes and no roads anywhere, like what you'd see flying 319 00:26:20,319 --> 00:26:29,799 in a plane. And I said, probably a lot safer here. 320 00:26:34,839 --> 00:26:38,400 As you know, you guys are seem pretty capable. But 321 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:45,240 when it comes to power, as it be, I don't 322 00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:48,880 think you hold you're gonna hold your home better. You'd 323 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:54,519 be better off just to try to stay away. I 324 00:26:54,559 --> 00:26:58,200 didn't get the impression that these guys were evil. They're 325 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:05,279 definitely carnivorous, and no doubt about that, they're meteors. But 326 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:09,400 I've seen dealt with that all over Alaska. So I mean, 327 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:13,799 we have bearers, we got well, you name it, we 328 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:19,960 got it. But evil from what I've heard on your 329 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,119 shoulder there, I definitely are some that are. But I 330 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:28,119 did not get the impression from these guys. I think 331 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,160 they like to see if they can scare people. Though 332 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,119 they'd definitely like to see it. I think they find 333 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:44,039 it amusing that most humans become afraid so easily. I 334 00:27:44,039 --> 00:27:47,920 think it's a test in some cases. In other cases, 335 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,599 I think they want I just want the people out 336 00:27:50,599 --> 00:27:56,680 of their area. Maybe they have their mates, you're young, 337 00:27:57,039 --> 00:28:01,359 I don't know, but those would be good reasons scare 338 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:09,359 somebody out of your area rather than harm them. Because 339 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,759 so many people get harmed, there's going to start to 340 00:28:13,799 --> 00:28:16,920 be a trail, and that trail is going to lead 341 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:23,000 right to their doorstep. So that'd be another reason for 342 00:28:23,079 --> 00:28:30,440 them not to actively be going after people. These guys, 343 00:28:31,559 --> 00:28:36,359 Like I said, you know impression I got said they 344 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:45,119 weren't like out to get humans. But I've heard some 345 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:51,160 really disturbing stories on your show that I think a 346 00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:54,039 lot there are a lot like humans in the fact 347 00:28:54,039 --> 00:29:01,640 that there's good and there's bad. There's good and bad elements. 348 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,680 So you know, I went and sat back down with 349 00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:15,160 Dad and we started talking about different horses and this 350 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,880 and that. Every once in a while I get up 351 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:24,119 and I look still out there they were listening to 352 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:28,799 our conversation. We finally broke off at three o'clock in 353 00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:33,839 the morning because we're both pretty tired. It was a 354 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,720 good talk. I mean, we hadn't talk like that in years. 355 00:29:39,119 --> 00:29:48,559 So next night there was one at my window or 356 00:29:49,079 --> 00:29:51,920 Dad's in the room. I was staying in my dad's house. 357 00:29:53,839 --> 00:29:58,079 I just kind of ignored. I didn't know what else 358 00:29:58,119 --> 00:30:02,720 to do. I was just like just ignored him, and 359 00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:04,759 then I finally just won't sleep. 360 00:30:10,039 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 3: Let's Seeah, So, okay, spend a couple of weeks with 361 00:30:16,559 --> 00:30:20,720 my father, then came back here. 362 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 2: Because while I was gone, this neighbor kid renting. We 363 00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:42,240 own our property. These people were like renting from this 364 00:30:43,279 --> 00:30:46,640 guy who bought a property next to us. Shoved my 365 00:30:46,759 --> 00:30:55,200 mother knocked her down while I was gone. This kid 366 00:30:55,359 --> 00:30:58,759 is about my size, but if I'd have done anything 367 00:30:58,799 --> 00:31:02,359 to him, you know where I would end up in jail. Right, 368 00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:10,359 this seventy seventy nine year old woman knocked her down. 369 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:18,319 I was furious. The second night I was back, all 370 00:31:18,319 --> 00:31:21,000 of a sudden, I have this. I had this big 371 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:25,200 German shepherd. In fact, she's so big everybody always thought 372 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,440 she was male. My mom used to call her high stepper, 373 00:31:28,759 --> 00:31:33,359 like a high stepping horse because she would she was 374 00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:38,519 beautiful German shepherd. So all of a sudden, I hear 375 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:44,200 amber at my door, like you know how like dogs 376 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:48,200 are scared, you know, they whine and they get frantic, 377 00:31:48,279 --> 00:31:50,680 and that's what she was doing. And I've never heard 378 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,200 this dog do that before. So I opened the door. 379 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:59,319 She comes in like really fast and then curls up 380 00:31:59,359 --> 00:32:02,240 in a ball in the middle of the out and 381 00:32:02,279 --> 00:32:07,640 I'm like, okay, that's the wrong Amby. And she's kind 382 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,720 of looked at me and looked back on the you know, 383 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:16,440 either had her face or muscle in our paws. So 384 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:21,200 that was weird. That was about I almost went upside 385 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:27,759 just to see when I caught a We also have 386 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,839 those you know, the big form lights you know, light 387 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:38,160 up the area. And I caught a silhouette our shadow, 388 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,920 you know, like the light behind you know, like if 389 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,400 you're standing in front of a light, cast a shadow 390 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:51,920 right on the h Yeah, we called the blinds. That's 391 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:56,160 over the sink, the window like this in front of 392 00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:03,400 the sink, our shade. Shade. That's the way I'm I went, ah, 393 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:08,680 I didn't know what that is, so I just laid 394 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:13,920 down and I said, I know you're out there, Please 395 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:20,160 don't hurt my animals. And the boy said, you don't 396 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:24,799 have to worry about that. I said, good, And I 397 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,920 knew Mom in her beds and I knew she was safe, 398 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,599 so I just went to sleep. Funny thing is, next 399 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,920 day the neighbor was the kid that knocked my mother 400 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:44,640 down while I was gone, and his wife they were 401 00:33:44,839 --> 00:33:53,880 moving that day. They were eutither by noon. I don't 402 00:33:53,920 --> 00:34:01,920 know exactly what happened, but I suspect another thing. The 403 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,039 one that showed up at the house here. It was 404 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,679 great and like quite do you know what I'm saying? 405 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:14,039 Like it wasn't and it was probably more like three 406 00:34:14,119 --> 00:34:22,480 hundred pounds, so it was lighter. It both like for 407 00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:28,079 because I seen again. I didn't see it that night. 408 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,320 I could tell it was not as big from the 409 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,800 shadow at cast, but when I actually see it, they're 410 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:42,320 they're like around three hundred pounds. They're not as big 411 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:47,079 as the other ones. But obviously they're connected or something 412 00:34:47,079 --> 00:34:52,320 that that I can't quite figure out. But everydently distance 413 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,559 doesn't stop them from communicating. That's the only thing I 414 00:34:55,559 --> 00:35:00,000 can figure out. As does not come into the equation. 415 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,880 So I was trying to figure out what the heck 416 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,760 was going on. So I pretended like I was getting 417 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,039 something out of the starch shed just so I could 418 00:35:13,159 --> 00:35:14,960 kind of ease drop see what the heck was going 419 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:22,719 on over there. And the guy's wife was frantic. She 420 00:35:23,039 --> 00:35:28,840 was breaking out. I wasn't going to stay here another night. 421 00:35:29,039 --> 00:35:33,159 And they were all pretty all three of them were 422 00:35:33,159 --> 00:35:36,800 pretty upset, you know, like you said, they moved out 423 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:41,960 in a hurry. I can only the only thing I 424 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:48,400 can figure out is is that doc man did something. 425 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,800 I don't think it's really that big of a deal 426 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,639 for them to read our minds. That kind of bothers 427 00:35:56,679 --> 00:36:01,519 me in some ways, because you know, uh, people's thoughts 428 00:36:01,559 --> 00:36:07,599 should be their own thoughts it should be private. But 429 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:14,000 when I look at it situation, they actually did me 430 00:36:14,039 --> 00:36:22,079 a favor. There's this kid's a monster. You people call 431 00:36:22,159 --> 00:36:25,639 these guys monsters. I've missed some human beings. There some 432 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:31,119 real monsters through my life. I'm sure there are monsters 433 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,559 with these guys too. I mean from what I've heard 434 00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:38,079 on your show. Yeah, there's real monsters, all right. It's 435 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:44,280 it's a good, uh, a good reason to be carrying 436 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:48,000 a heavy caliber rifle when you're running around and you're 437 00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:52,719 running on the woods, if you're out in the bush, 438 00:36:53,159 --> 00:36:56,719 because if they're out there, and they are there are 439 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,719 ones like that, you better be able to protect yourself. 440 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,000 I'm like forty five seventy something like that. It's really 441 00:37:05,039 --> 00:37:12,360 big and heavy. So I got in are not maybe 442 00:37:12,599 --> 00:37:19,039 about I can't remember exactly the timeframe, but I was 443 00:37:19,079 --> 00:37:23,079 going through physical therapy for my neck because i'd gotten 444 00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:27,199 rear ended by somebody. You's doing forty five miles an hour, 445 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:32,039 and when I was at a stoplight, so I was 446 00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:37,079 doing that. I was coming back and forth between this 447 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:47,000 large city and this small town and it's an area 448 00:37:47,039 --> 00:37:53,719 in Nevada, and this road. As soon as I turned 449 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,360 off of it or this highway, but on this very 450 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:04,039 small highway and my peripheal, I caught one on each 451 00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:09,679 side of me. They were raising me. Okay, keep in 452 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:14,119 mind these guys, I'm doing well. When I hit this 453 00:38:14,159 --> 00:38:17,400 one that first like town, that's the way that it's 454 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:21,880 to turn off this old town. I was doing ninety 455 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:26,360 five miles an hour. My truck was doing ninety five 456 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:32,320 and they peeled off. That's where they stopped and then 457 00:38:32,639 --> 00:38:36,079 erased me past there. But keep in mind, these guys 458 00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:42,119 are uneven ground with brush and set in the desert 459 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:48,719 running and I'm I'm on asphalt and they're keeping up 460 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:56,920 with me. It was like they were like really happy. 461 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,559 I think they like to do that. Well. I mean 462 00:39:01,639 --> 00:39:03,440 you look at docs that you know, like the chase 463 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:09,760 cars and stuff. I don't know it was I mean, 464 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,679 I didn't feel a threat at all. There was no threat. 465 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:21,920 It was just like, let's race. I remember you and 466 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,559 I talked talked to me prior to this sexual interview, 467 00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:30,840 and it's spoken about truckers having had the same experience 468 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,880 of them racing besides their semis. 469 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,599 Speaker 1: In the Nevada desert. That's right, that's right. 470 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:48,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm guessing is probably the same area, approximately same area. Yeah, 471 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,519 by the time I get get to therapy and stuff, 472 00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:58,440 and usually it was around eight maybe nine o'clock by 473 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,679 the time I it was that was that was dark. 474 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:07,480 It was dark unless there was a moon out that night. 475 00:40:07,519 --> 00:40:15,199 It's pretty dark. But it seems like every time I've 476 00:40:15,199 --> 00:40:19,400 seen these guys, it's not a full moon. Oh wait, 477 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,920 there was one time. I'm sitting here looking at the 478 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:28,400 cameras and it was it was a couple of summers ago. 479 00:40:31,639 --> 00:40:36,519 Mom was sleeping. I had the door open, and I 480 00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:42,320 heard this screaming. A guy's yelling and girls screaming. There 481 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:47,519 were some homeless people about maybe a mile or quarter 482 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:51,000 and a half a mile away, and they were sound. 483 00:40:51,079 --> 00:40:56,239 It's funny how sound carries in the desert. It's it's 484 00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:02,239 so different from Alaska anyway. So I heard them screaming 485 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:07,199 and guys yelling like but I thought they were fighting 486 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:14,039 or something. It's almost drunk, they're fighting. And all of 487 00:41:14,079 --> 00:41:16,760 a sudden, I'm looking at the cameras and I see 488 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:23,360 this big black street come by. That's the only time 489 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:28,280 I've ever seen a black one here ever. Other than that, 490 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:34,159 they're always the smaller ones. And I Oh, I know 491 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:40,719 what that was, got it on my camera. I happened 492 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,559 to be just looking right at the cameras and because 493 00:41:43,559 --> 00:41:47,239 I was listening to what was going on, like probably 494 00:41:48,039 --> 00:41:51,480 like I said, sound carries, I was trying to figure out, 495 00:41:51,519 --> 00:41:55,440 like are they drunk and fighting? And I assume that's 496 00:41:55,480 --> 00:42:01,480 what was going on until I saw that, and he 497 00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:08,440 had a big old grin on his face. Oh, I'll 498 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,000 be well, I won't say the word, but I'll you 499 00:42:12,039 --> 00:42:12,960 know what I'm saying. 500 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:17,519 Speaker 1: There. 501 00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:19,199 Speaker 2: I think there's a lot more of them out there. 502 00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:23,920 I think that people actually realize. I mean, I'm trying 503 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,480 to figure out how I went most of my life 504 00:42:27,519 --> 00:42:34,440 in Alaska. I never saw one. That's what baffles me. 505 00:42:34,639 --> 00:42:38,440 Why did I see them down here but not in Alaska. 506 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,440 You just get this feeling like maybe you're being watched 507 00:42:44,559 --> 00:42:48,159 or something. And I've gotten that before when I've been 508 00:42:48,159 --> 00:42:51,239 out in the bush, that feeling like you know, you 509 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:56,760 are being watched and being watched with something intelligent. Anybody 510 00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,679 who's spent time in the bush, they know exactly what 511 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:04,280 I'm talking about. I've seen him on the property a 512 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:09,440 couple of times. That's pretty much my experience is that 513 00:43:09,519 --> 00:43:12,199 I can everything I can recall. 514 00:43:13,159 --> 00:43:16,400 Speaker 1: Well, those are a lot of experiences. When the first 515 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,679 dog men you saw clearly your dad's property, walk past 516 00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,280 that stock trailer. 517 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:25,599 Speaker 2: A lot walk. He was moving like I never seen 518 00:43:25,639 --> 00:43:31,119 any move in my life. I've never seen an animal 519 00:43:31,159 --> 00:43:33,679 move that past of my life. Actually, I don't know what. 520 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,760 I don't think they're actually animals. I'm not sure what 521 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:42,239 they are. But they're not a dumb animal, that's for sure. 522 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:47,280 Speaker 1: No, they're not. Was it looking at you were looking elsewhere? 523 00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,039 Speaker 2: Looking at me? Looking right at me? 524 00:43:51,039 --> 00:43:54,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, that definitely doesn't help. Seeing something like a dog 525 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,400 man walking by petally is hard enough to come to 526 00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:02,000 grips with, of course, but the experienced the mind speak, 527 00:44:02,599 --> 00:44:04,679 Has that been the hardest part of your encounters to 528 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,960 come to grips with? Because you say that they're not evil, 529 00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,239 does that not make it quite so difficult to wrap 530 00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:12,079 your mind around. 531 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:20,679 Speaker 2: I can tell some things or someone's evil. They're not 532 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:25,519 evil at least these guys weren't. Else what I've heard, 533 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,599 Like a couple of these people's experiences that spoke on 534 00:44:29,639 --> 00:44:34,800 your podcast, Now, that's evil, Like the one that ripped 535 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:39,239 through that wall, that's evil. That's evil, and that needs 536 00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:45,880 to be put down. Whatever it is these guys, I 537 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,880 didn't get that impressional from them at all. In fact, 538 00:44:50,599 --> 00:44:54,519 I gotta they have a sense of right and wrong 539 00:44:54,559 --> 00:45:02,360 and justice. Almost noble answer. I really it's hard to 540 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:03,639 put it into words. 541 00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's so many things about these guys that are 542 00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,840 so difficult to put into words. If you don't think 543 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,920 that they're evil, does that mean that you think they're 544 00:45:13,039 --> 00:45:16,519 just flesh and blood creatures with the ability to mind speak, 545 00:45:16,679 --> 00:45:17,960 or do you think there's something else? 546 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,079 Speaker 2: I think there may been a time when we could 547 00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:23,840 do that. Okay, I don't know what happened in the past, 548 00:45:24,039 --> 00:45:30,400 something something changed drastically. I think there was a time 549 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,239 when we were able to do things that we can't 550 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:37,920 do today. I think we lived longer. I'm not saying 551 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,920 I don't think there's evil ones out there, because I 552 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:45,039 really do. I really do believe in that factor. They're 553 00:45:45,079 --> 00:45:48,000 no different than people. They can be good, they can 554 00:45:48,079 --> 00:45:52,639 be bad. I'm just fortunate to have not run into 555 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:53,519 the bad ones. 556 00:45:54,599 --> 00:45:57,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, very fortunate. Now you have had more than one 557 00:45:58,039 --> 00:46:02,039 encounter with a sasquatch, they seem to be evil, or 558 00:46:02,039 --> 00:46:07,679 did all of those Sasquats who encountered seem to be good. 559 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,719 Speaker 2: I don't think they're necessarily good or evil. I think 560 00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:17,840 they're just they are what they are. I mean, uh, 561 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:24,039 for one, they're not threatened by women. Okay that men's 562 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,880 around men. I think they act different. They they view 563 00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,960 human men as a threat. And I think that was 564 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,199 also had a lot to do with it. They didn't 565 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:41,760 really view me and my friend as a threat. If 566 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,719 they're they're the way they talk, uh, it's it really 567 00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,679 sounds like, you know, like samurais you know how you 568 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,519 if you've ever seen like an old Japanese movie where 569 00:46:53,519 --> 00:46:57,679 they're the samurai are you know how they're talking and 570 00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:10,000 they that's what it sounds like they understand what we're saying. Now. 571 00:47:11,119 --> 00:47:15,280 They understand what people are saying. I know that this 572 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:23,280 one friend of mine, she's, uh, you pick and I'm 573 00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:28,320 not gonna say her village or anything, but she goes, 574 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,880 did they steal your fish? I said, yeah, how do 575 00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:37,239 you know? Because they come into our fish camps in 576 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:42,119 the summer fails to like maybe a rack, you know, 577 00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:47,519 I mean, they take what they what they need. They 578 00:47:47,559 --> 00:47:50,880 don't like wipe them out or anything like that, take 579 00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,480 all their fish or something. They just take like one 580 00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:59,159 like long rack of fish. That's it. I think the 581 00:47:59,199 --> 00:48:03,679 reason I don't think they know how to. I don't 582 00:48:03,679 --> 00:48:06,519 think they swim well. I mean I could be wrong 583 00:48:06,559 --> 00:48:11,000 about that, but I don't think they So I think 584 00:48:11,039 --> 00:48:14,320 the issue is them catching those like nice bright, shiny 585 00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,400 you know, the good salmon. I'm not talking about the 586 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,119 ones with a green head and they're red and they're 587 00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:25,440 full of ones and dying. You don't want them nice bright, shiny, 588 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:31,320 you know, brighterly the better. I think they have maybe 589 00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:35,000 a hard time getting them. I think that's why they 590 00:48:35,079 --> 00:48:41,119 do it. But yeah, that's it's common for that that 591 00:48:41,199 --> 00:48:44,719 to happen. And it was funny the next day when 592 00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,400 fishing game came through and they told us, oh, there's 593 00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,079 some Asian people going up and down the river stealing 594 00:48:53,119 --> 00:48:57,519 people's fish. And my friend goes, how big are these Asians? 595 00:48:58,639 --> 00:49:02,920 Oh god, she's see those. They knew the jig was up. 596 00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,760 I said, well you better catch it because I'm really upset. 597 00:49:06,039 --> 00:49:08,079 I was going to fry those up for breakfast this morning. 598 00:49:09,039 --> 00:49:10,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, like you said, they do that sort of thing 599 00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,280 all the time. They really do. When that family with 600 00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:18,079 a horrible boy who disrespected your mom moved out. Did 601 00:49:18,079 --> 00:49:19,920 you ever try to reach out to the dog men 602 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,079 and the mind spoke with you to try to find 603 00:49:22,119 --> 00:49:24,920 out if the dog man actually did frighten them away? 604 00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:30,360 Speaker 2: Oh I already know. I already know that's what happened. 605 00:49:31,639 --> 00:49:35,280 Did me a favor because, uh, my way of handling 606 00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:45,239 it was, oh, nobody touches my mother. Nobody. I was furious. Yeah, 607 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:46,559 I thanked him. 608 00:49:47,519 --> 00:49:50,320 Speaker 1: How did he respond when you thanked him? 609 00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:57,800 Speaker 2: I just got this pleased? It was like a pleased 610 00:49:58,119 --> 00:50:01,400 he was pleased. You can put convey that into a feeling. 611 00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:03,880 That's what I got. 612 00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,760 Speaker 1: Huh. Yeah, sounds like they did do that. Then you 613 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,360 never know. There are all sorts of crazy things that 614 00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,519 could happen that might have driven that family off. I 615 00:50:13,519 --> 00:50:15,880 hope it was the dogman that did and sure sounds 616 00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,960 like it was. But yeah, that's why I asked that question. 617 00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:25,159 Speaker 2: Well, it was just the one. But it only takes 618 00:50:25,199 --> 00:50:28,840 one of those guys. No one takes more of them, 619 00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:33,119 especially if they're out to scare somebody. Because I, like 620 00:50:33,159 --> 00:50:36,840 I said, I was in search shed eavesdropping on what 621 00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:42,159 was going on, and she's like, I'm not staying here 622 00:50:42,159 --> 00:50:48,360 another night. I'm not everyone, you know, like she didn't 623 00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,440 want to see it whatever she saw again, And I 624 00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,480 got it. I was like, Okay, I know what happened here. 625 00:50:55,519 --> 00:50:57,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll bet she did want to see what she 626 00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:01,119 saw every again. I get it. Now, after you heard 627 00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:04,760 those homeless people screaming a few summers ago, did you 628 00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,280 ever try to track them down to find out what 629 00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,840 happened that night? Or did you just let it be? 630 00:51:11,199 --> 00:51:15,239 Speaker 2: Nobody got hurt? So you know that the thing they 631 00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:22,159 love to scare that they find it so amusing that 632 00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:28,280 humans getting afraid become afraid so easily. I think he 633 00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:32,119 was just having a good time landing a joke on somebody. 634 00:51:32,519 --> 00:51:37,000 I mean absolutely, that's how they look at it, because 635 00:51:37,079 --> 00:51:37,840 nobody got hurt. 636 00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:40,800 Speaker 1: Seems like a lot of them. That's what they live for, 637 00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,079 almost is to terrify people to within an inch of 638 00:51:44,119 --> 00:51:47,119 their lives. So I can understand why you would say 639 00:51:47,159 --> 00:51:49,960 that you said that you haven't had any dog mean 640 00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:53,719 encounters in Alaska. Does that mean that you don't think 641 00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,199 they're in Alaska in any great numbers? 642 00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:57,000 Speaker 2: Do you think. 643 00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,599 Speaker 1: Or do you think that you haven't had an encounter 644 00:52:01,679 --> 00:52:03,760 because you just didn't happen to bump into one. 645 00:52:05,599 --> 00:52:13,119 Speaker 2: I think that I wasn't in their area because I 646 00:52:13,159 --> 00:52:18,039 get the distinct impression that Harryman and Document don't really 647 00:52:18,079 --> 00:52:20,840 hang out with each other day. I don't think they 648 00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,440 hang out in each other areas. I think they have 649 00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:29,320 their own areas. I just haven't. But then you know, 650 00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,079 when I felt eyes on me, it could have been them. 651 00:52:32,519 --> 00:52:38,119 I don't know. Like I said, there's been times when 652 00:52:38,159 --> 00:52:40,800 I've been out in the bush and I know I'm 653 00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:46,920 being watched because I'm like hyper vigilant. I know I'm 654 00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:51,719 being watched, but I can't I can't place it. I 655 00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:53,920 can't find out where it's coming from. 656 00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I tell people, trust your instincts, they normally 657 00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:03,079 will be pretty accurate. We're about out of time here, win, 658 00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,079 But before we go, do you have any clothes in 659 00:53:05,119 --> 00:53:07,320 comments you want to put out there for us? 660 00:53:10,679 --> 00:53:19,079 Speaker 2: If you can avoid shooting them, avoid it. But from 661 00:53:19,079 --> 00:53:24,000 what I heard from a few of those your podcasts situations, 662 00:53:24,119 --> 00:53:31,440 there's like no other option. But I understand that they 663 00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:37,360 have rogue elements, just like we do. It's good and 664 00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:45,719 there's bad everywhere. It's just life the way things are. No, 665 00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,719 I do my best suit, I've got to live in 666 00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:58,440 my own skin. So I can't do something that goes 667 00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:03,840 against what I feel. You know, bad the creator, Yeah, 668 00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:09,880 wayh whatever you what you deems being wrong, I can't 669 00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:13,239 do that. I can't go against that, and I wouldn't 670 00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,760 not to say I haven't made mistakes. Everybody's made mistakes, 671 00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,719 you know, it's just life. We'll all make mistakes. But 672 00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:24,239 the idea is to learn from it and try to 673 00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:31,480 be a better person. Be a better person. One thing, 674 00:54:31,519 --> 00:54:38,480 I forgot that bull that my dad left out there, 675 00:54:39,039 --> 00:54:41,639 five thousand dollars bull just left out there, and I 676 00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:45,000 think he was feeding them. I think he left it 677 00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:50,000 out there for them because he had been dealing with 678 00:54:50,039 --> 00:54:57,239 those guys since the mid about the mid nineties. I 679 00:54:57,599 --> 00:55:03,639 have an amazing memory because that clicked all the way. 680 00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,199 That conversation that we had when I was out in 681 00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:10,119 Dutch all those years ago collicked, and then everything kind 682 00:55:10,119 --> 00:55:14,280 of fell into place for me because through the years 683 00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,599 I asked him, I said, Dad, you were you use 684 00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:21,360 many cows down here? And he said, once in a while, 685 00:55:21,639 --> 00:55:27,000 I was a calf. Lots of couple of cows over 686 00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:33,480 the years. Other than that, no, So I don't know 687 00:55:33,519 --> 00:55:37,400 what kind of deal or arrangement d with these guys, but. 688 00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:40,840 Speaker 3: He was. 689 00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:47,239 Speaker 2: H almost like kind of protecting him Muslims. I don't know. 690 00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:52,119 There's I wish I would have had that conversation with 691 00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:55,960 because I had a lot of questions I wanted to 692 00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:57,039 ask him. 693 00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,239 Speaker 1: It really does make you wonder what kind of an 694 00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:00,599 arrangements have had. 695 00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:06,280 Speaker 2: But I know he had some cattle russelled like twenty heads. 696 00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:09,280 Speaker 1: In the UH. 697 00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:13,360 Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, it was in the late nineties. 698 00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:18,800 There's some cowstone that never happened again. 699 00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:21,960 Speaker 1: Oh I bet it didn't when you have a security 700 00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,039 guard out there like that. I don't doubt that at all. 701 00:56:25,639 --> 00:56:28,559 But having said that, thanks again so much for coming on, Lynn. 702 00:56:28,599 --> 00:56:53,239 I really appreciate your time, and have a great night.