WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.680 Nutter WLW. I'm Gary Jeff Walker. You're not an aren't you? Glad? 2 00:00:04.679 --> 00:00:08.560 Tonight a fantastic show between now and midnight. Naomi Wolf, 3 00:00:09.279 --> 00:00:12.839 one of the America's leading feminists and one of America's 4 00:00:12.960 --> 00:00:17.280 leading fighters for all of us. That will be interesting. 5 00:00:17.480 --> 00:00:22.519 She's coming up co founder CEO of Dailyclout dot Io JT. 6 00:00:22.760 --> 00:00:27.920 Young with a brand new book called Unprecedented Assault. How 7 00:00:27.960 --> 00:00:32.520 Big Government unleashed America's socialist left, and boy, they are 8 00:00:32.560 --> 00:00:35.719 off the leash and unhinged, aren't they. We'll have Michael 9 00:00:35.759 --> 00:00:39.799 Levine here to talk to us and also the fur 10 00:00:39.880 --> 00:00:44.799 Ball before we're done. But up next is the one 11 00:00:44.840 --> 00:00:49.000 and only Professor John Ellis. Are we done with tribalism 12 00:00:49.320 --> 00:00:50.079 in our world? 13 00:00:51.359 --> 00:00:52.240 Are we here? Aren't we? 14 00:00:52.280 --> 00:00:57.240 He says in a short History of Relations between Peoples 15 00:00:58.039 --> 00:01:02.320 that tribalism is dead. It just doesn't know it yet. 16 00:01:02.920 --> 00:01:05.319 We will talk to him to start the show in 17 00:01:05.480 --> 00:01:08.480 just minutes after this quick break, it's the nightcap. 18 00:01:08.599 --> 00:01:09.560 Thanks for tuning in. 19 00:01:10.079 --> 00:01:13.200 Let's go The Bengals take on the Raiders. Coverage start 20 00:01:13.319 --> 00:01:17.120 Sunday morning at nine on seven hundred WLW, the home 21 00:01:17.159 --> 00:01:21.040 of the best Bengals coverage. It's the Markin Ellis, Distinguished 22 00:01:21.040 --> 00:01:24.760 Professor Emeritus of German Literature at the University of California, 23 00:01:24.760 --> 00:01:28.640 Santa Cruz. He taught at universities all around the world, England, Wales, 24 00:01:28.680 --> 00:01:33.239 Canada before joining the University of California, Santa Cruz back 25 00:01:33.280 --> 00:01:37.359 in the mid sixties. He is the author of eleven books, 26 00:01:37.480 --> 00:01:41.200 including The Breakdown of Higher Education. And that's the last 27 00:01:41.200 --> 00:01:43.799 time we had Professor Ellis on the show when that 28 00:01:43.879 --> 00:01:47.560 book rolled out. Right now there is a brand new one. 29 00:01:47.599 --> 00:01:49.959 We want to talk about a short history of relations 30 00:01:50.000 --> 00:01:53.920 between peoples, how the world began to move beyond tribalism. 31 00:01:54.840 --> 00:02:00.280 And once again, welcome to John m Ellis. How are you, John, I'm. 32 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:02.480 Fine, Thanks, and thank you so much for having me. 33 00:02:02.920 --> 00:02:05.000 Yep, it's a great pleasure to have you. 34 00:02:06.239 --> 00:02:09.039 We tackled all kinds of different topics on this show, 35 00:02:09.280 --> 00:02:13.800 and this is the one that I'm particularly interested in 36 00:02:13.879 --> 00:02:19.120 because maybe some definitions for people who don't quite get 37 00:02:19.159 --> 00:02:22.439 what you mean by tribalism, even though it should be 38 00:02:22.479 --> 00:02:27.800 self explanatory to most people, is tribalism the same thing 39 00:02:28.800 --> 00:02:31.280 as put America first? 40 00:02:31.759 --> 00:02:33.400 Is that tribalism. 41 00:02:34.240 --> 00:02:38.560 No, I think Tribalism is just a sense that people 42 00:02:39.319 --> 00:02:44.360 once universally have of looking to people like themselves, close 43 00:02:44.400 --> 00:02:49.280 to themselves for their safety and prosperity, and especially for 44 00:02:49.400 --> 00:02:55.680 their protection against foreigners, who, you know, in say, five 45 00:02:55.759 --> 00:02:58.719 hundred years ago, a foreigner was likely to be someone 46 00:02:58.800 --> 00:03:02.400 who was a danger to you, an invading army or 47 00:03:02.919 --> 00:03:07.199 something of the kind of marauding marauding people that uh, 48 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:12.159 you know, we're off to your food supply or or 49 00:03:11.919 --> 00:03:17.599 your possessions. So, I mean, tribalism is so very old force, 50 00:03:18.000 --> 00:03:21.360 and it's just simply a sense that you need to 51 00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:24.960 be protected against the great outside world, and people like 52 00:03:25.039 --> 00:03:28.520 you are the you know, the source of your protection. 53 00:03:28.879 --> 00:03:32.080 All right, Well, let me let me put it in 54 00:03:32.080 --> 00:03:34.240 in the lens of what we have seen the last 55 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:37.280 three and a half years, Professor ellis uh with a 56 00:03:37.360 --> 00:03:42.479 wide open American border, in fact, no border really at all, 57 00:03:43.039 --> 00:03:46.000 allowing all kinds of unvetted people from all over the 58 00:03:46.039 --> 00:03:50.240 world into our country with not knowing who they are 59 00:03:50.439 --> 00:03:52.960 or what they are. Necessarily, for one hundred and thirty 60 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:56.680 different countries have been flooding into our southern border because 61 00:03:56.759 --> 00:04:00.759 of policies generated in Washington, d C. And It's a big, 62 00:04:00.919 --> 00:04:04.159 big element and decision maker for a lot of people 63 00:04:04.199 --> 00:04:07.080 in this upcoming presidential election, don't you think. 64 00:04:07.960 --> 00:04:11.479 Absolutely well, that raises a lot of you know, quite 65 00:04:11.520 --> 00:04:13.919 different issues. I mean there's the issue of crime. I mean, 66 00:04:13.919 --> 00:04:16.959 these people are not vetted. So I mean, if I 67 00:04:17.040 --> 00:04:20.079 go back to when I first came to America about 68 00:04:20.120 --> 00:04:23.360 sixty years ago, I mean I had to pass tests 69 00:04:23.399 --> 00:04:26.920 of you know, had I committed crimes and so on, 70 00:04:26.959 --> 00:04:30.480 and my background was looked into and I was only 71 00:04:30.519 --> 00:04:32.959 allowed into the country when they were quite clear that 72 00:04:33.040 --> 00:04:37.199 I was, you know, a civic minded, law abiding person. 73 00:04:37.839 --> 00:04:42.639 To let unvetted people pour over your border is insanity. 74 00:04:42.800 --> 00:04:45.319 I mean it's from a point of view of the 75 00:04:45.800 --> 00:04:50.000 safety of the citizens of the country, this is a 76 00:04:50.120 --> 00:04:54.360 horrible thing to do to people. But there's also a 77 00:04:54.439 --> 00:04:56.800 question of cultures. I mean, you know, we have a 78 00:04:56.920 --> 00:05:01.600 very strong tradition in this country. Institution is based on 79 00:05:02.439 --> 00:05:08.519 older concepts like like Migricarto. You know, the government must 80 00:05:08.560 --> 00:05:12.120 be able to prove before it acts against you. The 81 00:05:12.160 --> 00:05:15.560 government must be able to prove to people like yourself, 82 00:05:16.079 --> 00:05:19.800 a jury of the peers, that it's acting reasonably. Now 83 00:05:19.800 --> 00:05:24.600 that's you know, the legacy of our part legacy of 84 00:05:24.639 --> 00:05:27.839 our system, another one of habeas corpus that you have 85 00:05:27.959 --> 00:05:31.040 a right to exist in your life and your property 86 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:35.800 and so on unless the government has very very good 87 00:05:35.839 --> 00:05:40.519 reason for interfering with that. Now, those traditions are very 88 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:44.360 important to us as a country, and to let millions 89 00:05:44.360 --> 00:05:50.680 of people come in suddenly who don't have those traditions, 90 00:05:50.720 --> 00:05:54.399 who are from totally different cultures is crazy. I mean, 91 00:05:55.079 --> 00:05:58.920 what we should be doing is letting in people in 92 00:05:58.959 --> 00:06:03.920 sufficient numbers that they can assimilate and not change our 93 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:07.519 culture by swamping it with a different set of values. 94 00:06:09.360 --> 00:06:13.360 Our political traditions and our social setup is so important 95 00:06:13.399 --> 00:06:16.560 to us that we should never be allowing something, you know, 96 00:06:16.759 --> 00:06:21.600 millions to come in who belong in a completely different culture, 97 00:06:21.600 --> 00:06:25.759 completely different expectations of what the government is going to 98 00:06:25.759 --> 00:06:30.279 be like and what law enforcement is going to be like, Yeah, 99 00:06:30.800 --> 00:06:32.959 what the political situation is going to be like. I mean, 100 00:06:33.319 --> 00:06:35.959 you just don't do that. That's awfully stupid. 101 00:06:36.120 --> 00:06:42.040 Well, America described as the Great melting Pot because of 102 00:06:42.079 --> 00:06:46.920 its history of immigrants coming into this continent and being 103 00:06:46.959 --> 00:06:52.279 assimilated into an American culture. We should be very proud 104 00:06:52.319 --> 00:06:54.879 of that. As a country, I think. But the thing 105 00:06:55.079 --> 00:06:58.079 is in the massive wave of immigration, say in the 106 00:06:58.279 --> 00:07:01.839 late nineteenth and early twentieth century in this country, there 107 00:07:02.120 --> 00:07:05.079 there was vetting going on and some people waited on 108 00:07:05.160 --> 00:07:07.800 Ellis Island for six weeks and they still didn't get 109 00:07:07.800 --> 00:07:10.639 in because either they were sick or they it was 110 00:07:10.680 --> 00:07:13.199 found that they had a criminal history where they'd come from, 111 00:07:13.279 --> 00:07:16.160 be it England or one of the other European countries 112 00:07:16.199 --> 00:07:21.879 where they had migrated from. And you know that what 113 00:07:22.079 --> 00:07:27.279 happened in that situation was that those people saw becoming 114 00:07:27.279 --> 00:07:32.240 a part of the American culture as a gift from God. 115 00:07:32.680 --> 00:07:36.279 They saw it as I want to assimilate and the 116 00:07:36.319 --> 00:07:42.279 melting pot. The melting pot only works if the incoming 117 00:07:42.519 --> 00:07:47.519 ingredients add to the flavor of the stew, not dominate 118 00:07:47.680 --> 00:07:49.879 or detract from it. And I think when you've got 119 00:07:50.279 --> 00:07:54.199 a wide open situation that has been invited by the 120 00:07:54.199 --> 00:07:59.839 current presidential administration and a vice president who's running for president, 121 00:08:00.800 --> 00:08:05.600 what has happened there? You have these cultures and peoples 122 00:08:05.879 --> 00:08:09.120 who do not want to assimilate. They just want to 123 00:08:09.160 --> 00:08:11.959 come into the country and make it, make it their 124 00:08:12.040 --> 00:08:16.040 own instead of adding, instead of adding to the stew, 125 00:08:16.560 --> 00:08:19.160 they are in the places where they are highly concentrated 126 00:08:19.160 --> 00:08:22.040 and been flown all over the country. They are dominating 127 00:08:22.079 --> 00:08:26.199 the flavor, and Americans don't like the taste. 128 00:08:26.439 --> 00:08:29.600 Well, that's why when you talk about the vetting, for example, 129 00:08:29.639 --> 00:08:32.200 people coming to Ellis Island in the old days, I mean, 130 00:08:32.879 --> 00:08:36.960 to some extent, the vetting was already in place, just 131 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:40.799 in the fact that these people coming from countries that 132 00:08:40.919 --> 00:08:43.840 have similar political traditions to ours. I mean, if you 133 00:08:44.519 --> 00:08:48.840 people come from Britain, you know that their their political 134 00:08:48.879 --> 00:08:52.759 traditions are closely thenked already to Americas, So that in 135 00:08:52.799 --> 00:08:57.679 a sense, is a form of vetting already. There's there's 136 00:08:57.759 --> 00:09:00.960 just no doubt that if you're going to have people 137 00:09:01.000 --> 00:09:07.639 coming in from cultures that have no relationship whatever to 138 00:09:07.879 --> 00:09:11.320 our political traditions, you need to have them come in 139 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:15.559 in small numbers so they can assimilate. But if you 140 00:09:15.679 --> 00:09:18.440 haven't come in very large numbers, that's that's real trouble. 141 00:09:18.480 --> 00:09:21.840 You have a real cultural clash. 142 00:09:21.879 --> 00:09:25.879 And you know, especially if they happen to be gang 143 00:09:25.919 --> 00:09:29.279 men members from Venezuela or one of these other countries, 144 00:09:29.919 --> 00:09:35.320 or terrorists you know from African and Islamic countries that 145 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:38.840 have expressed their desire to see America die. So I 146 00:09:38.879 --> 00:09:41.399 mean we've had all of that in the last three 147 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:42.159 and a half years. 148 00:09:42.279 --> 00:09:47.399 Professor Yeah, well again, I mean you these gangs, I 149 00:09:47.399 --> 00:09:54.679 mean trendy Aragua, they're characteristic of South American countries. They're 150 00:09:54.840 --> 00:09:58.519 characteristic of you know, countries in other parts of the 151 00:09:58.519 --> 00:10:03.559 world in Asia, but they're not characteristic of England or 152 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:06.440 Germany or France. I mean, oh this again, if you 153 00:10:06.519 --> 00:10:10.879 have large numbers of people coming in from northern Europe, 154 00:10:11.080 --> 00:10:15.480 you automatic don't have that gang problem. So again, another 155 00:10:15.559 --> 00:10:19.519 reason why you don't. You know, you don't have large 156 00:10:19.600 --> 00:10:24.320 numbers of a culture coming in suddenly in ways that 157 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:26.840 you can't really assimblate quickly. 158 00:10:27.080 --> 00:10:27.519 Yeah, we don't. 159 00:10:27.559 --> 00:10:31.360 We don't have a lot of violent Norwegian gangs infiltrating 160 00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:34.039 America at this point. 161 00:10:34.480 --> 00:10:35.480 So let's get back. 162 00:10:35.559 --> 00:10:37.559 Let's get back to your book just for a second. 163 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:41.039 Here a short history of relations between peoples and how 164 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:46.240 the world began to move away from tribalism. When did 165 00:10:46.279 --> 00:10:48.960 this really start occurring, Professor ellis. 166 00:10:49.200 --> 00:10:49.519 Well, I. 167 00:10:51.480 --> 00:10:56.120 Go back to the fifteen hundred and at that time. 168 00:10:56.200 --> 00:10:58.200 I mean, you know, one of the things about history 169 00:10:58.279 --> 00:11:01.840 is if I were teaching history, I say the kids, 170 00:11:01.840 --> 00:11:06.200 look before you start to talk about any historical period, 171 00:11:06.919 --> 00:11:11.000 just to ask yourselves, did cars exist in that time? 172 00:11:11.159 --> 00:11:19.360 Did did railways exist in that time? Did social legislation 173 00:11:19.559 --> 00:11:22.679 exist in that time? What was the what was medicine 174 00:11:22.720 --> 00:11:25.320 like in that time? Fifteen hundred, I mean, the fact 175 00:11:25.320 --> 00:11:27.679 of the matter is you don't have television, you don't 176 00:11:27.679 --> 00:11:33.559 have radio, you don't have the internet, you don't have railways. 177 00:11:34.159 --> 00:11:39.080 So in other words, people in fifteen hundred know very 178 00:11:39.279 --> 00:11:41.200 very little about the rest of the world. 179 00:11:41.240 --> 00:11:43.960 Well, they didn't travel far from their homes for the 180 00:11:43.960 --> 00:11:46.279 most part because there was no way to get there. 181 00:11:47.399 --> 00:11:50.159 But you had to walk, so you probably didn't go 182 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:54.519 more than thirty miles. So basically, the average person in 183 00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:58.799 fifteen hundred sits there and knows almost nothing about other 184 00:11:58.840 --> 00:12:03.080 countries except that occasionally you get an army from a 185 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:06.320 foreign country invading you. So from the point of view 186 00:12:06.360 --> 00:12:10.200 of the average person fifteen hundred, other countries are a 187 00:12:10.279 --> 00:12:14.159 menace and there's something to be very apprehensive about if 188 00:12:14.480 --> 00:12:17.120 and that might even be stronger. You might even load 189 00:12:17.159 --> 00:12:21.480 the idea of seeing strangers because they're dangerous. Now, so 190 00:12:21.559 --> 00:12:23.240 my book is about how do you get from that 191 00:12:24.200 --> 00:12:28.559 state of mind that most people had very tribal, very 192 00:12:28.679 --> 00:12:30.960 likely to cling to their own people and be afraid 193 00:12:31.000 --> 00:12:33.759 of other cultures. How do you get from that to 194 00:12:33.840 --> 00:12:38.120 the modern world where we have We certainly have lots 195 00:12:38.159 --> 00:12:40.279 of tribalismes as you said, I mean, you know, Africa 196 00:12:40.360 --> 00:12:44.320 is still riddled with tribal conflicts. But we do have 197 00:12:44.399 --> 00:12:50.679 a kind of theoretical orthodoxy. Right You mustn't say that 198 00:12:50.720 --> 00:12:55.960 one culture is better than another, and if you start 199 00:12:56.000 --> 00:12:58.559 to talk about one group being inferior to another, you 200 00:12:58.559 --> 00:13:01.519 get called a racist. So in other words, we have 201 00:13:01.559 --> 00:13:06.679 an orthodoxy that all people are equally valuable, and you 202 00:13:06.720 --> 00:13:10.720 know that they're all worthy of respect and dignity, which 203 00:13:10.759 --> 00:13:13.399 is which is a fine, fine orthodoxy. All human beings 204 00:13:13.440 --> 00:13:17.080 are God's creechures and they all deserve respect as such. 205 00:13:19.120 --> 00:13:22.720 Now that that's when I say it's an orthodoxy. What 206 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:25.639 I really mean is that a lot of people don't 207 00:13:25.639 --> 00:13:29.000 believe it. I mean, in practice, there's still a lot 208 00:13:29.039 --> 00:13:31.399 of tribalism going on in the world, people clinging to 209 00:13:31.440 --> 00:13:36.279 their own people and really not appreciating other people. Wandered 210 00:13:36.360 --> 00:13:40.159 a bit. The point of an orthodoxy is that you know, 211 00:13:40.360 --> 00:13:44.600 there's a strong pressure not to oppose it openly, so 212 00:13:44.840 --> 00:13:48.200 you otherwise there's a lot of hypocrisy, there's a lot 213 00:13:48.240 --> 00:13:53.639 of inconsistency. But everybody knows that if you make a 214 00:13:53.639 --> 00:13:58.279 remark that a certain country is inferior to yours, you 215 00:13:58.360 --> 00:14:00.559 get called a racist. And that's what I'm me by saying, 216 00:14:00.559 --> 00:14:04.279 there's an Orthodox, There's there's a certain belief system you 217 00:14:04.440 --> 00:14:07.759 have to subscribe to, and you know that if you 218 00:14:07.919 --> 00:14:12.799 if you ever go against it publicly, Uh, You're going 219 00:14:12.879 --> 00:14:17.159 to be in trouble. That a situation like that does 220 00:14:17.200 --> 00:14:19.799 not mean that everyone really believes in the Orthodox. It 221 00:14:19.919 --> 00:14:22.480 just means that everyone knows that they better not oppose 222 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:23.080 it publicly. 223 00:14:23.159 --> 00:14:27.720 Well, how how do you how do you dismantle everything 224 00:14:28.799 --> 00:14:32.399 that CRT Critical Race Theory tries to tell us about 225 00:14:32.600 --> 00:14:36.919 race and racism, both in the past and up to 226 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:41.000 modern day. How does this book address that? And uh, 227 00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:42.960 and kind of take it take it down? 228 00:14:44.399 --> 00:14:47.440 Well, Look, Critical Race Theory tells us a couple of things. 229 00:14:47.759 --> 00:14:51.559 One that all our problems as far as racisms are concerned, 230 00:14:51.720 --> 00:14:56.840 are white racism, and white racism is all about maintaining 231 00:14:56.879 --> 00:15:03.600 white privilege. Uh, And and and white superiority, white supremacy. 232 00:15:04.559 --> 00:15:10.559 Uh and and the CRT people also tell us this 233 00:15:10.799 --> 00:15:13.799 such a thing as white rage because our privileges are 234 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:20.720 slipping away and so on. Now and part of this, 235 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:24.200 part of this is it was what privileges that white 236 00:15:24.200 --> 00:15:26.799 people have, most of the wealth which they've were course 237 00:15:26.799 --> 00:15:32.240 stolen from other other other cultures. Ah, and they occupied 238 00:15:32.320 --> 00:15:36.320 positions of power, which again they have squeezed other people 239 00:15:36.360 --> 00:15:39.200 out of power. Now, in my book, what I do 240 00:15:39.320 --> 00:15:45.639 is show how the how the modern orthodoxy of all 241 00:15:46.120 --> 00:15:49.320 you know, we're all one, we're all one human race, 242 00:15:49.720 --> 00:15:55.399 how that orthodoxy developed, where it started, and how it developed, 243 00:15:55.440 --> 00:15:58.240 and how it took over the modern world and shoved 244 00:15:58.240 --> 00:16:05.039 out tribalism as as an orthoxy. And my whole point 245 00:16:05.080 --> 00:16:11.080 about critical race theory being absolutely wrong is that the 246 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:16.840 history of this shows that it was the English speaking 247 00:16:16.879 --> 00:16:22.000 world that developed this kind of ethic, the ethic of 248 00:16:22.039 --> 00:16:26.039 anti racism. It was the British Enlightenment of the eighteenth 249 00:16:26.039 --> 00:16:30.039 century that started to talk about the rights of all 250 00:16:30.159 --> 00:16:36.399 people and the evil of one person being subjected to 251 00:16:36.480 --> 00:16:41.279 the will of another. And so a movement began in 252 00:16:41.279 --> 00:16:45.559 England and nowhere else to abolish slavery. And by about 253 00:16:45.600 --> 00:16:49.600 seventeen seventy, which about you, but maybe sixty seventy years 254 00:16:49.639 --> 00:16:53.159 after the movement began, already you were starting to see 255 00:16:54.159 --> 00:16:56.320 slavery being abolished in various places. 256 00:16:56.840 --> 00:17:01.360 The founders of this country, Professor Ellis, knew that slavery 257 00:17:01.399 --> 00:17:04.880 had to be abolished in this country. Even the people 258 00:17:04.880 --> 00:17:07.039 who were slave owners and are appointed to now as 259 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:11.960 awful racist endemic racism in America. From the very beginning 260 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:16.599 of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, they all knew that 261 00:17:16.680 --> 00:17:17.680 this had to go. 262 00:17:18.400 --> 00:17:20.519 And yeah, and they were just yeah. 263 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:25.480 Point of my book is on this argument is that 264 00:17:25.480 --> 00:17:30.279 that sentiment slavery's got to go. It starts in only 265 00:17:30.440 --> 00:17:35.720 one place, Britain. It doesn't start in Africa, on the country. 266 00:17:35.960 --> 00:17:39.599 Slavery's practiced in Africa for one hundred years to come. 267 00:17:40.359 --> 00:17:45.480 It doesn't start in Asia, it doesn't start among North 268 00:17:45.480 --> 00:17:49.759 American tribes. It starts only in Britain. That's the one 269 00:17:49.799 --> 00:17:54.720 place it starts. It gathers steamed very quickly in England, 270 00:17:54.920 --> 00:17:59.359 and it produces results by late eighteenth century. And at 271 00:17:59.359 --> 00:18:02.680 that point the rest of the world is still indulging 272 00:18:02.720 --> 00:18:05.599 in slavery. So CLT and know the worst has things 273 00:18:05.640 --> 00:18:06.680 backwards scribe. 274 00:18:06.359 --> 00:18:09.160 All right, if you want to learn about it. I'm sorry. 275 00:18:09.200 --> 00:18:12.200 I don't mean to cut you short, but I'm running 276 00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:15.559 kind of short on time, and that's probably my fault, 277 00:18:15.880 --> 00:18:19.279 not yours. But the book is a short history of 278 00:18:19.319 --> 00:18:23.200 relations between peoples, how the world began to move beyond tribalism. 279 00:18:23.960 --> 00:18:27.319 The author's professor John M. Ellis, and our guest tonight, 280 00:18:27.400 --> 00:18:30.160 and I appreciate your time so much and great success 281 00:18:30.160 --> 00:18:30.640 with the book. 282 00:18:30.640 --> 00:18:34.400 It's out now, yes it is indeed, yes, all. 283 00:18:34.359 --> 00:18:40.359 Right, fantastic Professor Ellis, have a wonderful evening. And all 284 00:18:40.400 --> 00:18:42.680 I'll say at this and see if you can give 285 00:18:42.720 --> 00:18:48.000 me a yay or nay on this quick comment. I 286 00:18:48.039 --> 00:18:51.799 think that Donald Trump is having success because he is 287 00:18:52.240 --> 00:18:56.200 talking to all Americans and to not any particular group. 288 00:18:56.599 --> 00:19:03.559 And well absolutely absolutely the anti racist in this political 289 00:19:03.640 --> 00:19:07.359 scene of ours is Trump. He is talking to all racists, 290 00:19:07.400 --> 00:19:13.039 all people's all America. Opposition. His opposition is trying to 291 00:19:13.680 --> 00:19:15.359 single out particular group. 292 00:19:15.319 --> 00:19:18.799 Apps and they've been doing that to pander. Absolutely, Professor Ellis, 293 00:19:18.799 --> 00:19:21.559 thank you, we got a roll. It's the night Cap, 294 00:19:22.119 --> 00:19:25.960 thank you, it's the Nightcap. On seven hundred WLW Tuesday, 295 00:19:26.079 --> 00:19:29.200 October the twenty ninth, twenty twenty four, Gary Jeff with 296 00:19:30.279 --> 00:19:34.599 our next guest, author of the Pfiser Papers, Pfizer's Crimes 297 00:19:34.599 --> 00:19:40.640 against Humanity, one of the world's most influential feminists, doctor 298 00:19:40.759 --> 00:19:46.720 Naomi Wolfe, who comments on almost everything. And you know, 299 00:19:47.119 --> 00:19:50.480 like many of us, there's always we run the risk 300 00:19:50.559 --> 00:19:56.039 when we comment on everything, especially supposedly controversial topics and subjects. 301 00:19:56.759 --> 00:19:58.680 There's a chance that somebody is going to try and 302 00:19:58.799 --> 00:20:02.039 silence this. And I know this has happened for doctor 303 00:20:02.119 --> 00:20:08.200 wolf numerous times, especially especially during COVID and what I 304 00:20:08.279 --> 00:20:13.960 called the the scamdemic of twenty twenty and Pfiser's involvement 305 00:20:14.039 --> 00:20:17.799 in that. And right now we welcome in doctor Naomi 306 00:20:17.839 --> 00:20:19.880 wolf How are you good. 307 00:20:20.000 --> 00:20:21.240 Thank you so much for having me. 308 00:20:21.480 --> 00:20:24.559 Oh thanks for coming back on the show. This new 309 00:20:24.599 --> 00:20:28.720 book is the Pfiser Papers. As I mentioned at the top, 310 00:20:28.759 --> 00:20:33.720 Pfizer's Crimes against Humanity. I'll also mention doctor Wolf is 311 00:20:33.839 --> 00:20:39.240 the co founder and CEO of Dailyclout dot io, successful 312 00:20:39.319 --> 00:20:42.359 civil civic tech company. We'll get into that in just 313 00:20:42.400 --> 00:20:46.079 a moment, doctor Wolf. But first and foremost, I Harken 314 00:20:46.200 --> 00:20:50.759 back to the end of Dwight D. Eisenhower's presidency when 315 00:20:50.759 --> 00:20:53.960 he warned, as he was outgoing against the rise of 316 00:20:54.000 --> 00:20:58.880 the military industrial complex, how come no one warned us 317 00:20:59.000 --> 00:21:03.480 about the rise of the big pharma hospital industrial complex 318 00:21:03.759 --> 00:21:05.680 that we are living under, right, question? 319 00:21:06.279 --> 00:21:11.920 That is a great question, and in fact his his. 320 00:21:10.839 --> 00:21:12.079 His warning was prescient. 321 00:21:12.279 --> 00:21:15.640 But it really fantastasized, didn't it. I mean, these vaccines 322 00:21:15.680 --> 00:21:17.599 were actually commissioned by. 323 00:21:17.480 --> 00:21:18.720 The Department of Defense. 324 00:21:19.839 --> 00:21:22.960 I gathered from my husband that that's not unusual that 325 00:21:23.160 --> 00:21:28.279 the DoD commissions, you know, large government contracts of medicine 326 00:21:29.240 --> 00:21:32.440 like that all the time. But it's it could have 327 00:21:32.519 --> 00:21:36.839 been impossible in Eisenhower's spirit to foresee how the military 328 00:21:36.880 --> 00:21:44.400 industrial complex fantastasized and incorporated a government pharmaceutical complex, or 329 00:21:44.759 --> 00:21:47.440 you know, has been out done by a government pharmaceutical complex, 330 00:21:47.480 --> 00:21:53.440 because arguably the attack on humanity via Pfizer and Maderna, 331 00:21:53.960 --> 00:21:58.160 you know, in concert with global governments and transnational organizations, 332 00:21:58.480 --> 00:22:02.559 which again Eisenhewer couldn't have scene kind of out does 333 00:22:02.640 --> 00:22:03.480 anyone more? 334 00:22:04.839 --> 00:22:05.680 Oh, oh my. 335 00:22:05.680 --> 00:22:08.799 Gosh, I mean the damage caused by COVID and then 336 00:22:08.839 --> 00:22:12.799 the damage caused by the mRNA vaccine that they came out, 337 00:22:13.680 --> 00:22:18.480 you know, to allay everyone's fears of this dread disease, 338 00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:26.440 which was you know, a manipulated a human manipulated common 339 00:22:26.559 --> 00:22:31.480 cold basically and turned into this this killer disease that 340 00:22:31.640 --> 00:22:33.920 was going to wipe out the globe if we don't, 341 00:22:34.440 --> 00:22:37.880 you know, come up with something fast, doctor Wolfe, I 342 00:22:37.880 --> 00:22:41.799 will tell you one of the things, and it's probably 343 00:22:41.839 --> 00:22:46.839 the only thing that I saw and regretted in my 344 00:22:46.960 --> 00:22:52.359 vote for Donald Trump in twenty twenty was his I 345 00:22:52.400 --> 00:22:57.160 don't know, just acquiescence to these people like doctor Fauci 346 00:22:57.359 --> 00:23:01.799 and doctor Burke's and the of them who were you know, 347 00:23:02.240 --> 00:23:06.039 and this operation warp speed to get this vaccine done 348 00:23:06.680 --> 00:23:10.119 quickly and all of that. To me, that was the 349 00:23:10.160 --> 00:23:15.480 one thing about the Trump presidency that I detest. So 350 00:23:15.559 --> 00:23:18.079 many other things I was a big fan of, And 351 00:23:18.880 --> 00:23:20.599 you know your thoughts on. 352 00:23:20.559 --> 00:23:24.799 That, well, I guess I have a lot of empathy 353 00:23:24.960 --> 00:23:27.759 for President Trump actually about that. I was a White 354 00:23:27.799 --> 00:23:31.119 House spouse during the clin era, and then I advised 355 00:23:31.480 --> 00:23:35.400 the Clinton campaign for reelection and Gore's presidential campaign, so 356 00:23:35.440 --> 00:23:38.559 I watched what it's like for what we call the 357 00:23:38.599 --> 00:23:44.160 principles right, the president's vice president close up. And you know, 358 00:23:44.599 --> 00:23:45.359 how can I put it? 359 00:23:45.759 --> 00:23:49.200 A president has to rely on his special advisors sometimes, 360 00:23:49.319 --> 00:23:56.799 especially with our keen information regarding epidemiology or vaccinology or 361 00:23:56.880 --> 00:23:57.759 you know, virology. 362 00:23:57.960 --> 00:24:00.839 Like he can't know everything, I think, right, and it 363 00:24:00.880 --> 00:24:03.839 would kind of cripple a president. He did try to 364 00:24:03.880 --> 00:24:07.960 know everything, so he especially with science and medicine. 365 00:24:08.359 --> 00:24:10.559 You know these This is how our system is supposed 366 00:24:10.559 --> 00:24:10.799 to work. 367 00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:12.920 The special advisors to the president are supposed to give 368 00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:16.079 him their best opinion and then you know he's supposed 369 00:24:16.119 --> 00:24:16.720 to trust them. 370 00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:18.519 He couldn't know. 371 00:24:18.960 --> 00:24:20.960 And we all didn't know till r FP Chuni Road 372 00:24:21.000 --> 00:24:23.839 the real Anthony Sauci that the people advising him were 373 00:24:24.039 --> 00:24:28.200 grossly conflicted receiving hundreds of thousands of dollars in royalty 374 00:24:28.240 --> 00:24:32.119 payments from the very companies that they were tasked with 375 00:24:32.359 --> 00:24:37.240 overseeing and regulating. He couldn't know that. Well, you know, 376 00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:40.799 the deep dive into the CDC and the FDA. You know, 377 00:24:40.839 --> 00:24:45.000 the CDC has a nonprofit side that Bill Gates and 378 00:24:45.039 --> 00:24:48.400 other vaccine manufacturers pay into. I mean it's a massive 379 00:24:48.559 --> 00:24:50.960 and then you look at the revolving door right the 380 00:24:51.440 --> 00:24:54.160 you know the people who run the FDA go on 381 00:24:54.359 --> 00:24:58.640 to sit on the boards of the vaccine and pharmaceutical 382 00:24:58.640 --> 00:25:02.880 companies and vice versa. So it's a big corrupt mess. 383 00:25:03.359 --> 00:25:06.960 And he was being told, you know, this is a horrible, 384 00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:08.880 deadly pandemic. 385 00:25:09.039 --> 00:25:11.759 If you don't act in the following way, you know, 386 00:25:11.799 --> 00:25:13.000 you're going to kill a lot of people. 387 00:25:13.279 --> 00:25:15.319 That said, you know, I look back at some of 388 00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:18.640 his decisions, and to his credit, he did a lot 389 00:25:18.680 --> 00:25:19.480 of the right things. 390 00:25:19.519 --> 00:25:23.799 For example, he tried to block flights from China when 391 00:25:23.839 --> 00:25:25.440 you know where the virus originated. 392 00:25:25.680 --> 00:25:28.519 He was called a racist. I know, he also right. 393 00:25:28.799 --> 00:25:32.920 He also rightly said that the decisions of how to 394 00:25:32.960 --> 00:25:35.400 handle it was in the hands of the states, which 395 00:25:35.480 --> 00:25:39.599 is exactly constitutionally correct. The CDC doesn't have the right 396 00:25:39.640 --> 00:25:42.880 to close down our society. The president doesn't have the 397 00:25:42.960 --> 00:25:46.160 right to close down our society. These are state by 398 00:25:46.160 --> 00:25:48.200 state decisions about how they want to handle a public 399 00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:51.400 health you know, crisis, and he was attacked for that. 400 00:25:51.720 --> 00:25:54.759 He tried to withdraw from the World Health Organization, which 401 00:25:54.799 --> 00:25:57.880