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Speaker 2: So I'm looking here at sportsline dot com, a good resource,
Speaker 2: by the way, pre plug for them. And when it
Speaker 2: comes to they've got their own formula that gives you
Speaker 2: a projected score after I think like a thousand simulations
Speaker 2: between teams when it comes to a matchup, and they
Speaker 2: have the projected score for the Louisville Kentucky Governor's Cup
Speaker 2: game at twenty five twenty three Louisville, which means, of
Speaker 2: course the Cards would win but not cover because they
Speaker 2: are currently favored by three and a half. So if
Speaker 2: you look at you look at you know in it's early,
Speaker 2: but right now, the percentage of wagers on this game,
Speaker 2: as far as the spread, seventy three percent of those
Speaker 2: wagering on spread here are taking Louisville to cover and
Speaker 2: money line and I'm sorry not money line, but the money,
Speaker 2: the money that has come through. It's the other way around.
Speaker 2: Those that are betting on Kentucky. There's not as many
Speaker 2: of them, but they're putting up a lot more money.
Speaker 2: And that doesn't surprise me because I would imagine that
Speaker 2: if you're a Kentucky fan, you probably, no matter what
Speaker 2: would have happened this year, wanted to bet on Kentucky
Speaker 2: to win because you know you're a Kentucky fan. I'm
Speaker 2: glad I've never really been that way, because, you know,
Speaker 2: I feel like it's a little because it's clearly an
Speaker 2: emotional bet. But if you're doing it, you know, and
Speaker 2: it's just a known thing, like Hey, I'm gonna put
Speaker 2: twenty bucks or whatever down on my team because if
Speaker 2: they win, I'm gonna be happy in general, but also, man,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get paid to watch my team win because
Speaker 2: we prove the books were wrong about us. But I've
Speaker 2: just tried to stay away from wagering on teams that
Speaker 2: I have any feeling towards, whether it be I love
Speaker 2: them or hate them, because clearly there's no way to,
Speaker 2: I think, remove emotion totally from that decision. But if
Speaker 2: it's just for fun, you know, and you know going
Speaker 2: in you're doing it because you're a fan or you're
Speaker 2: a hater, then you know, I get it. But yes,
Speaker 2: there's more money coming in on Kentucky to cover this thing.
Speaker 2: As far as just the amount wagered but the amount
Speaker 2: of bets themselves still still I say still, it's first
Speaker 2: TI I've looked at it, but seventy three percent have Louisville.
Speaker 2: All right, it is hour number two here Coffee and Company,
Speaker 2: philby Thornton's on Sports Talk seven ninety. Appreciate you hanging
Speaker 2: out with us, Nick Coffee. That's me the company man,
Speaker 2: mister John Alden alongside. Today we'll get back into the
Speaker 2: Governor's Cup stuff coming up here shortly. If you are
Speaker 2: just now joining us and you have been working all day,
Speaker 2: been busy, who knows whatever you're doing. You may not
Speaker 2: have heard the news from Mark Stoops's press conference. They
Speaker 2: are going to start meaning Kentucky. A true freshman at quarterback,
Speaker 2: Cutter Bowley will start for Kentucky, making his first career
Speaker 2: start in the Governor's Cup game. I think it's a
Speaker 2: brilliant move by Stoops because from when I saw Saturday,
Speaker 2: the kid looks like he's got a pretty good arm. Obviously,
Speaker 2: he was a big time recruit coming out of high school.
Speaker 2: And you know what you have with Brock vandergriff and
Speaker 2: that's a guy who has not been able to, you know,
Speaker 2: to help you win at any I mean, I guess
Speaker 2: he made a big play hit Bury and Brown there
Speaker 2: unfourd down against Ole Miss, and that was huge for them.
Speaker 2: That's really how they won that game, which it's crazy
Speaker 2: to think about where their season would be had they
Speaker 2: not won that game. But they did win the game,
Speaker 2: and he made a big play with his arm. And
Speaker 2: I don't think Vandergrift's bad. He's not. He's just not that.
Speaker 2: He's just not certainly not elite. And I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe you end up see him because he's gonna transfer
Speaker 2: elsewhere now right Like he hasn't announced that, but you know,
Speaker 2: him getting benched in the finale and it being a
Speaker 2: true freshman. I mean, I would imagine he's going to transfer.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know why you'd stick around. And
Speaker 2: maybe he ends up elsewhere and has success. And it's
Speaker 2: another reason people can point and look at Stoops and say, look, man,
Speaker 2: you're holding our offense back. Look at what Liam Cohen's
Speaker 2: doing in the NFL. I mean, I don't even know
Speaker 2: if that would be true or not, but you know,
Speaker 2: it's a brilliant move by Stoops because I think it
Speaker 2: does give you the best chance to potentially view this
Speaker 2: as a new season, you can say all along, hey,
Speaker 2: nothing else, everything that happened before doesn't matter. This is
Speaker 2: a new season, one game season, and I'm sure I mean,
Speaker 2: in fact, I know coaches do that every week, right.
Speaker 2: The most important game in the history of our program
Speaker 2: is the next game. Like Pat Kelsey says that a lot.
Speaker 2: So you can say all that, and it's still really
Speaker 2: difficult to you know, believe it and really go out
Speaker 2: on the field and have the mindset as if you
Speaker 2: haven't already lost, you know, a bunch of games this year.
Speaker 2: But I think if you've got a new guy leading
Speaker 2: the offense on that side of the ball, it may
Speaker 2: be a little easier for these guys to have a
Speaker 2: fresh start because they'll know, hey, yeah, we know we
Speaker 2: got ability, and I know they've got ability. That's one
Speaker 2: of the things that worries me about Kentucky. I think
Speaker 2: they have good players. Man. It actually makes March Toops
Speaker 2: look really bad that his team was as bad as
Speaker 2: they are this year because you know, again I talked
Speaker 2: about it earlier in the press conference or earlier this
Speaker 2: this in the show. At his press conference today, he said,
Speaker 2: you know, this is a guy who's been complaining about
Speaker 2: the new world of college sports for quite some time,
Speaker 2: and you know, it's been pretty clear that his fans
Speaker 2: have picked up on it, and they're just thinking, like, look, dude,
Speaker 2: if you don't have like it's fine, we love you.
Speaker 2: You did a great job here. But if you are
Speaker 2: not embracing this change and trying like hell to get
Speaker 2: act climate it and succeed in this new world, then like,
Speaker 2: have a nice life. Like we can't change it. It
Speaker 2: is what it is. Boohoo went about, it isn't gonna
Speaker 2: make it productive for anybody. So he went from being
Speaker 2: that guy to today saying that they've never been in
Speaker 2: a better spot when it comes to resources to go
Speaker 2: fix the roster in the portal. And I don't think
Speaker 2: that's like a crazy thing to say. In fact, I
Speaker 2: think that's probably what fans want him to say. But also,
Speaker 2: your roster didn't need to be fixed for you to
Speaker 2: avoid one and seven in league play, four and seven
Speaker 2: overall right now. And that's why I think this season's
Speaker 2: a real outlier for Kentucky and I hope that that
Speaker 2: continues to be the case. And one thing that Stoops
Speaker 2: is all because when Stoops's teams were ever this bad.
Speaker 2: It was because they had Joker Phillips players. They have
Speaker 2: good players now, and they're terrible as far as how
Speaker 2: you're valued winning and losing, and Stoops for the most part,
Speaker 2: has always had his guys ready to play against Louisville,
Speaker 2: even when games they've lost. The only year they didn't
Speaker 2: was in twenty seventeen, the last time Louisville won, Kentucky
Speaker 2: came on glued. They had players throwing trash cans. They
Speaker 2: were getting embarrassed by Lamar Jackson, and they were like
Speaker 2: taunting him as if they were the ones up three scores.
Speaker 2: It was really embarrassing. And I get Mad Jones a
Speaker 2: lot of credit because I remember him on his postgame show.
Speaker 2: We went on around the same time at that point,
Speaker 2: and I remember going in the hallway to go to
Speaker 2: the bathroom and he was in the has studio. I
Speaker 2: was in the seven ninety studio, and he said something
Speaker 2: that I thought was really true, that, like, you know,
Speaker 2: a lot of people claim he's a homer, which he is.
Speaker 2: I am too, Like, you know, he's a Kentucky fan,
Speaker 2: I'm a Louisville fan. Like nobody's ever made that a secret.
Speaker 2: But he said that a lot of the things that
Speaker 2: people said about Bobby Patrino's players whenever he went to
Speaker 2: Louisville and he came back to Louisville, like a lot
Speaker 2: of the things that Kentucky fans would make fun of
Speaker 2: Louisville players and just say that their stereotypical, you know,
Speaker 2: criminals and bad guys, and they behave like, you know, fools,
Speaker 2: Like that's exactly what their team did that day, and
Speaker 2: they looked like it. And it was the guy's named
Speaker 2: Jordan Jones who like wanted to like he would not
Speaker 2: stop trying to fight Lamar Jackson on the football field
Speaker 2: despite getting embarrassed by Lamar like every play. So anyways,
Speaker 2: that was the one year where I feel like they
Speaker 2: kind of weren't ready to play in that game. But
Speaker 2: every other year they've been one just better because Crackthorpe
Speaker 2: was here, or the last year of Bobby, or they've
Speaker 2: just you know, come like last year, you know, they
Speaker 2: didn't play great, but they made enough plays and Louisville
Speaker 2: gave him opportunities and you were able to we all
Speaker 2: saw what happened. So when I say that, I hope
Speaker 2: that this is this this outlier year continues for Stoops
Speaker 2: because if they come out flat and aren't ready and
Speaker 2: they get boat raced, that would be that would be
Speaker 2: another sign that, man, this is just this is like
Speaker 2: Stoops has had years where they're not great, and I'm
Speaker 2: not really sure how good they ever were in certain seasons,
Speaker 2: but man, this is just really bad. Like and this
Speaker 2: is another thing I'll say before we get to basketball again,
Speaker 2: this is that's what this game is.
Speaker 4: Like.
Speaker 2: I say, we're gonna get to it, and I just
Speaker 2: start talking and can't stop. But there are Kentucky fans
Speaker 2: right now that if you just go and look at
Speaker 2: the toxic wasteland that is Twitter, like, there's all kinds
Speaker 2: of Kentucky fans talking about how Stoops needs to go,
Speaker 2: he needs to move on. John summerl should be here.
Speaker 2: Stoops is a bums Like there's a lot of fans
Speaker 2: that are already out on Stoops. I'm sure they're going
Speaker 2: to eventually buy in once again if he starts landing
Speaker 2: players in the portal, because that's what fans do. And
Speaker 2: I don't even mean that as a criticism, like what
Speaker 2: are you gonna do not be a fan because they
Speaker 2: kept a coach that you wanted to move on, so
Speaker 2: they're already out on him as of now. It'll likely change,
Speaker 2: but here's one thing I do know. If he wins
Speaker 2: this game, it will prove what we already know, that
Speaker 2: this game is that important to both sides, and they
Speaker 2: will not be wanting him gone like they did for
Speaker 2: the last I don't know month or so really since
Speaker 2: their season fell off the rails. If he loses, I
Speaker 2: think you will hear a level because look in years
Speaker 2: where they haven't been good or they were decent, or
Speaker 2: even years that you know they were, they were pretty good,
Speaker 2: like they really love to beat Louisville like it's in.
Speaker 2: Even in years where they don't feel like they accomplished much.
Speaker 2: If they have that, they feel better about themselves, and
Speaker 2: I don't blame them. That's what this rivalry game is.
Speaker 2: So I think if they were to lose this game,
Speaker 2: even though they're already bad, because it's something they've been
Speaker 2: accustomed to for a long time. Again, twenty seventeen's last
Speaker 2: time Olevlle won this game. If they lose to Louisville,
Speaker 2: even if it's like a close game and they lose,
Speaker 2: I think you will hear a level of volume you
Speaker 2: did not know existed or you did not know possible
Speaker 2: as far as Kentucky fans that want that man out
Speaker 2: of town, and they may not know it because they're thinking, oh,
Speaker 2: we already suck. I've watched us play all year. We
Speaker 2: lost to Vandy at home. We can lose to and
Speaker 2: we can lose to Louisville. You're saying that now, but
Speaker 2: I think some of them you don't really know what
Speaker 2: that's going to do to you till it happens. Because
Speaker 2: even in years you didn't feel like you were great,
Speaker 2: you could always punk Louisville. And that's why I've hated
Speaker 2: that Louisville's been in this situation because I've never felt
Speaker 2: like Kentucky during the Stoops era was ever as good
Speaker 2: as they thought they were or as good as they
Speaker 2: acted like. And it really doesn't have any to do
Speaker 2: with with Louisville. But you know, I know how this works,
Speaker 2: Like who am I to say that Kentucky's underwhelming or
Speaker 2: Kentucky stinks? And you know their bums whenever they've beatn
Speaker 2: Louisville for the last time or many times they played
Speaker 2: them like it, you know it falls flat. So we'll
Speaker 2: see what happens on Saturday, all right, Louisville basketball, Pat Kelsey,
Speaker 2: they will. In fact, they arrived earlier today. I think
Speaker 2: they landed earlier this afternoon in the Bahamas. I think
Speaker 2: Pat's gonna have a press conference tomorrow to get set
Speaker 2: for the matchup against Indiana. We'll certainly let you guys
Speaker 2: here's some of that. I think it's going to be
Speaker 2: at noon, so we'll probably have at least I hope
Speaker 2: we'll have some sound to share with you guys on
Speaker 2: the show tomorrow. But right now, no spread yet, of course,
Speaker 2: because you know, too early. But Ken Palm Louisville and
Speaker 2: Indiana projected score. Have you seen this, John, I have it.
Speaker 2: I think it might surprise you because it does surprise me.
Speaker 2: But then again, it's early.
Speaker 1: I bet the deficit. I bet it's like a four
Speaker 1: point win for Indiana.
Speaker 2: Pretty damn close. Three point okay. Seventy seven. Seventy four
Speaker 2: is the projected score in Kent for Ken Palm. And
Speaker 2: you know, we'll get into Indiana coming up here, because
Speaker 2: I'm certainly gonna lean on you to to talk a
Speaker 2: little bit about this Indiana basketball team. What we've got
Speaker 2: you today, John won't be with us tomorrow or Wednesday.
Speaker 2: So we'll certainly get his thoughts because he can tell
Speaker 2: us more about the Hoosiers than anybody else, and he's
Speaker 2: the best at covering the Hoosiers. So we're gonna we're
Speaker 2: gonna utilize him. We're gonna use him while we can.
Speaker 2: Just you know, he's getting used all over the place.
Speaker 2: He's doing his own show, he's doing has he's with
Speaker 2: us now, So we're just you know, we're just working
Speaker 2: him to death around here, and we're going to take
Speaker 2: advantage of him because that's what they do in this business.
Speaker 2: You'll learn that if you haven't already, and I think
Speaker 2: you have. Actually I said it, not him. I said
Speaker 2: it not him. But anyways, you know the Winthrop game,
Speaker 2: I don't really have a whole lot to you know,
Speaker 2: I don't really hope a whole lot to to. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's I have thoughts, but I don't you know, those
Speaker 2: two games against Winthrop and against who was it Bellerman,
Speaker 2: those were games that weren't really gonna tell you anything,
Speaker 2: and all you can do is players on your schedule.
Speaker 2: And I hope, I was hopeful that we would see
Speaker 2: some things in both of those game. That's encouraging for
Speaker 2: when you get to the bigger tests, like games against
Speaker 2: Tennessee and everybody else that's in the field in the
Speaker 2: Battle for Atlantis, and I do think we saw some
Speaker 2: of those things, but like I'm trying not to go
Speaker 2: one way or the other in a far direction, meaning
Speaker 2: anything that was really encouraging, like looks it's Winthrop, it's Bellerman.
Speaker 2: Anything that was you know, a big concern, you still
Speaker 2: won without much trouble. And I just think when you
Speaker 2: play teams like Bellerman, especially Bellerman this year, and even
Speaker 2: Winthrop at times, like when you see Bellerman go to
Speaker 2: the rack on you and just take one of your
Speaker 2: dudes off the bounce to the bucket, it's you know,
Speaker 2: that's never good. But when it's Bellerman doing and you're thinking,
Speaker 2: oh god, what's what's Indiana gonna do? Whenever you see
Speaker 2: Winthrop with what was it? Let's see, I mean, because
Speaker 2: the rebounding the rebounding issue is a real issue. But yeah,
Speaker 2: Louisville gave up most of these by the way we're
Speaker 2: in the first half, but still to give up nineteen
Speaker 2: offensive rebounds to Winthrop and you only had ten. Like again,
Speaker 2: when you see that, that's never good no matter who
Speaker 2: you're playing. But you're probably gonna worry, Oh man, if
Speaker 2: Winthrop's doing that, yikes, what's Indiana going to do on
Speaker 2: the glass? What's West Virginia or Gonzaga gonna do on
Speaker 2: the glass? So you know, those are still some concerns.
Speaker 2: The concerns I've had about Louisville against teams of this caliber,
Speaker 2: we'll find out over these next few days. Really, you know,
Speaker 2: have they have they made big improvements to where they
Speaker 2: can be much more competitive, because they clearly weren't against
Speaker 2: Tennessee at least not very competitive, which, by the way,
Speaker 2: how good has Tennessee been? I mean, they fraddled Louisville,
Speaker 2: which again I still think that was impressive that they
Speaker 2: did it. But who knows, maybe that won't be even
Speaker 2: looked at as like a great win for them when
Speaker 2: it's all said and done. But they beat Baylor by fifteen,
Speaker 2: and they beat Virginia by twenty two, and you know, again,
Speaker 2: maybe both those teams aren't great, but Tennessee has not.
Speaker 2: Nobody's played close with them, which you know, what else
Speaker 2: could be looked at as kind of a scary thing
Speaker 2: is that Indiana beat Tennessee in that exhibition game, did
Speaker 2: they not? They did, yeah, And I feel like nobody
Speaker 2: even felt like Indiana played good in that game. So
Speaker 2: maybe Indiana's this scary team Indiana. And then again, this
Speaker 2: is probably something I can wait to get to, but
Speaker 2: I don't even know if I'll remember it when we're
Speaker 2: talking Indiana because any has done this under Woodsin since
Speaker 2: he's been there. They played at the level of their competition.
Speaker 1: They do, and they've done that this year.
Speaker 2: They've done Yeah, like they'll they'll They'll be in a
Speaker 2: game with a bum team early on and all the
Speaker 2: all the with the dockets call them all the bogga
Speaker 2: bullys that cover the Hoosiers are talking about it's inexcusable,
Speaker 2: what since Scotty's guys not ready to play again? And
Speaker 2: then they win by fifty and everybody's saying, what a
Speaker 2: great response by the Hoosiers. So, like, you know, that's
Speaker 2: just what they do and that's not what you want
Speaker 2: to do. But their early struggles at times against teams
Speaker 2: that aren't good, have never really mean, they've never lost
Speaker 2: a game like that, have they.
Speaker 1: No, they've had a few, thankfully so far this year
Speaker 1: they haven't had a scare like where they only beat
Speaker 1: more Red State by two or barely beat Army, but
Speaker 1: they they were down against Eastern Illinois at halftime in
Speaker 1: their second game, and you haven't seen Greensboro had them
Speaker 1: at forty a piece early on in their most recent game.
Speaker 1: So I mean they've had their fair share of struggles,
Speaker 1: but they also dominated South Carolina. And I know South
Speaker 1: Carolina is not a good SEC team by any stretch
Speaker 1: of the imagination, but they have seemed to play, like
Speaker 1: you said, to the level of their competition so far.
Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, South Carolina, Lamont Parris had it
Speaker 2: roll in last year was probably the probably one of
Speaker 2: the candidates for Coach of the Year with their big improvement,
Speaker 2: but this year they got beat by North Florida and
Speaker 2: their opener and then Indiana had no mean, Indiana had
Speaker 2: less trouble with them than they had against the teams
Speaker 2: that you know, like South Eastern Illinois who they ended
Speaker 2: up killing, but I think that game was actually kind
Speaker 2: of close early too. So anyways, back back to the
Speaker 2: Louisville side of it, with Winthrop, I will say this
Speaker 2: and this this trust me. I'm not trying to make
Speaker 2: you feel more confident about this Tennessee game and whoever
Speaker 2: else you play in the Bahamas, because it's a big
Speaker 2: step up from Winthrop, from Morehead, from Bellerman.
Speaker 3: It just is.
Speaker 2: But I do think that it's worth the least mentioning
Speaker 2: that the game Friday was weird for Pat Kelse. You know, Winthrop,
Speaker 2: and I know we talked about it beforehand, but Winthrop
Speaker 2: is a special place to him, and I think he
Speaker 2: honestly felt I shouldn't say like weird, but he did
Speaker 2: talk after the game. I got a chance to listen
Speaker 2: to his postgame interview with Bob Albano, and you know,
Speaker 2: he didn't say anything that like confirms this, but I
Speaker 2: could sense that that was a little bit of a
Speaker 2: different day for him because of who they were playing.
Speaker 2: He's obviously very very close with the Prosser family. Mark
Speaker 2: Prosser is Skip Prosser's son. Who Skip Prosser's is Pat
Speaker 2: Kelsey's You know, I don't want to say idle, but
Speaker 2: I'm sure he would say that he's his idle. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know that for certain, but I bet he
Speaker 2: would say, yeah, he was my idol. He was a
Speaker 2: guy he learned a lot from. It's a guy who
Speaker 2: really got him into the coaching business. That Skip Prosser
Speaker 2: coaching tree. I mean that includes some big names like
Speaker 2: Chris Mack who was here before. So if you don't know,
Speaker 2: Skip Prosser passed away unexpectedly many years ago, and that
Speaker 2: was obviously hard on everybody. And the Prosser family is
Speaker 2: basically family to Pat Kelsey and his family, So I
Speaker 2: don't think he was out there taking it easy on him.
Speaker 2: I don't mean that at all, but I think the
Speaker 2: routine in the day itself was probably a little bit
Speaker 2: different for them, and I think he actually might have
Speaker 2: said that word for word because of the opponent. Now,
Speaker 2: again that probably wouldn't have anything with anything to do
Speaker 2: with his team, but you know, maybe he wasn't his
Speaker 2: normal self because of that game didn't matter. You still
Speaker 2: won by fifteen and really used a late run in
Speaker 2: the first half to kind of put it away to
Speaker 2: where you never really felt like you were going to
Speaker 2: lose it. So you know, that's really is an excuse
Speaker 2: to get out rebounded by Winthrop on the offensive side
Speaker 2: of the glass. In fact, you got out now you
Speaker 2: ended uout rebounding them forty four to forty one. So look,
Speaker 2: they made some adjustments in the second half to where
Speaker 2: they weren't getting bullied on the backboard. But you know,
Speaker 2: I'm hopeful that they are competitive on the glass. Clearly,
Speaker 2: rebounding is not going to be a strength of this team.
Speaker 2: I don't think, you know, physicality is going to be
Speaker 2: the strength of this team. But it's not because I
Speaker 2: think that they don't try. It's not because I think
Speaker 2: that they're soft. I just think it's the roster and
Speaker 2: how it's built. And I mean that's also what worries
Speaker 2: me most, if I'm being honest with you, I mean,
Speaker 2: you don't want your guys to ever be in a
Speaker 2: situation where you just worry, like, hey, are they're going
Speaker 2: to be able to hang in there when they play
Speaker 2: against teams that are just built differently within the roster
Speaker 2: to where their guys are a lot bigger and a
Speaker 2: lot more physical and just you know, imposing presences. I
Speaker 2: don't have any guys like that, So, like, no matter
Speaker 2: how that ends up being the case, it's still a bummer.
Speaker 2: But I feel like knowing that it's not because of
Speaker 2: lack of trying, you know, that's what you want, but
Speaker 2: it's also a little more worrisome because man, I think
Speaker 2: they are trying. I think they are, you know, competing,
Speaker 2: they're just kind of getting you know, not bullied, but
Speaker 2: at times they just like they just get pushed around
Speaker 2: a little bit. And that's you know, doesn't mean they're soft,
Speaker 2: it's just and I guess technically it does mean they're
Speaker 2: soft in the eyes of some. But I really don't
Speaker 2: know how you fix that. And that's what I'm most
Speaker 2: anxious to see these next few games in the Bahamas.
Speaker 2: How can you counter that, because everybody you play is
Speaker 2: gonna give you a chance to really show what your
Speaker 2: counter is to you know, counter those teams they can
Speaker 2: just simply push you around a little bit. And I
Speaker 2: don't mean like, you know, beat you up, but like
Speaker 2: there's gonna be teams you play throughout the year where
Speaker 2: physicality is a big part of who they are, that's
Speaker 2: their brands. Louisville doesn't have that, and you're gonna have
Speaker 2: to find a way to work around it. And I
Speaker 2: don't really know what that answer is, but hopefully Pat
Speaker 2: Kelsea can figure it out. Speaking of Pat Kelsey, I
Speaker 2: didn't think it was a big deal, but it was
Speaker 2: the first time that he'd kind of gotten well I'll
Speaker 2: just let you hear he had an exchange with somebody
Speaker 2: in the press conference after the game on Friday that,
Speaker 2: you know, was something we hadn't seen before from Pat Kelsey.
Speaker 2: So I'll let you hear that. On the other side,
Speaker 2: it's coffee and Company we are. I feel about Thornton's
Speaker 2: right here on Sports Talk seven ninety. Well done, John.
Speaker 2: I've never been to the Bahamas. It's a place my
Speaker 2: wife has always mentioned that she'd like to go at
Speaker 2: some point. But and I could be wrong, but I
Speaker 2: feel like you can get a and I'm sure there's
Speaker 2: a lot of beach vacation Bahamas snobs out there that
Speaker 2: will look at me like a peasant when I say this,
Speaker 2: And maybe you're right. I don't know. But if I'm
Speaker 2: going to the Bahamas to do like an all inclusive
Speaker 2: resort kind of like what they've got here at the
Speaker 2: Battle for Atlantis, I mean you get basketball too, which
Speaker 2: that makes it great. Like when we used to go
Speaker 2: on those trips a couple times a year, and we
Speaker 2: still try to go every now and then, but it's
Speaker 2: just a little, well one, it's a little more difficult
Speaker 2: to do with kids, and also we don't really want
Speaker 2: to go on that trip very long without our kids
Speaker 2: because it's just you know, it's we miss our kids.
Speaker 2: But like I could whenever we used to look into
Speaker 2: that those kind of trips, like I could get I
Speaker 2: could get play Adel Carbon Mexico or even can Kun
Speaker 2: for like substantially cheaper, and it's again not the same thing,
Speaker 2: but it kind of is like the experience, like you're
Speaker 2: in a tropical beach and you have all inclusive and
Speaker 2: like it's still beautiful. So I'm sure the Bahamas is awesome,
Speaker 2: but like it's always kind of been a little bit
Speaker 2: out of my price range. So maybe we won't end
Speaker 2: up there, but I don't know. Maybe Louisvell's back in
Speaker 2: this event at some point down the line, and I'm
Speaker 2: in a position where I can make the trip because
Speaker 2: it would be a lot of fun. Now, I think
Speaker 2: it'd be weird with Thanksgiving, just because you know, it
Speaker 2: wouldn't feel like Thanksgiving and I would miss my family.
Speaker 2: But if I could ever make it work, I would
Speaker 2: love to go to the Bahamas, really just for this
Speaker 2: event specifically, because it's awesome.
Speaker 1: Is this the second time Louisvill's played in the Battle
Speaker 1: for Atlantis? Yes, this will be Indiana's first time.
Speaker 2: I believe it's theirs. I mean, I know when they
Speaker 2: played in it. No, this is the third time, because
Speaker 2: they played in it in twenty thirteen when they won
Speaker 2: the title. They lost to Duke that year Gorky Jang
Speaker 2: got hurt and SPT had to start, and I remember
Speaker 2: Gorky actually came back relatively quickly. I think he came
Speaker 2: back for the Kentucky game actually, and then they played
Speaker 2: in it in twenty seventeen. Rix last year and they
Speaker 2: were up, which is funny. It got brought up by
Speaker 2: a lot of people on I guess it was Thursday
Speaker 2: night because Rick was playing. Well, I don't know what
Speaker 2: event it. Well, it's the Saint John's Baylor.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's the Baja mar Yeah, Thomas Championship.
Speaker 2: Couvill played in that when they were the Baja Bullies
Speaker 2: back in the day, whenever Chris Max last season when
Speaker 2: Mike Mike Begeese was the coach because of Max suspension.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was the Baja Mart Classic on CBS
Speaker 2: Sports Network. So Rick played, if you remember, on the
Speaker 2: first night against Baylor and they were kicking their ass
Speaker 2: in the first half, up big and then somehow lost
Speaker 2: the game, like in a way that if you didn't
Speaker 2: see it, you would think, okay, wait a second, they're
Speaker 2: up five with the ball with nine seconds and lost,
Speaker 2: And yes, that's what happened. So a tough, tough loss
Speaker 2: for Patino on a buzzer beater from Jeremy Roach who
Speaker 2: transferred to Baylor from Duke. But you know, I would
Speaker 2: have never thought of it. But once somebody I saw
Speaker 2: make the reference, you know, mention of it, I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: that is crazy. The last time Rick was in the
Speaker 2: Bahamas coaching before that was when they were in the
Speaker 2: Bahamas for the for the Battle Fortlantis in twenty seventeen,
Speaker 2: and the same thing happened. Louisville was a big on Baylor,
Speaker 2: a Baylor team that I don't think was supposed to
Speaker 2: be that good, and they end up being really good,
Speaker 2: but he a big lead slipped away and they ended
Speaker 2: up losing. So Rick Patino going up against Rick Barnes,
Speaker 2: not Rick Barnes, but Scott Drew in the Bahamas has
Speaker 2: not been a good recipe for a coach. Patino, which
Speaker 2: you know, they had a good bounce back win against
Speaker 2: I think it was a Virginia after they lost to Baylor.
Speaker 2: But the lost to Baylor was a real gut punch,
Speaker 2: And then I watched yesterday they played at eleven AM
Speaker 2: against Georgia, which I thought was kind of cool. Those
Speaker 2: two teams stuck around an extra day or two in
Speaker 2: the Bahamas just to do a standalone game because I
Speaker 2: guess George is playing in an event that's not the
Speaker 2: Bahama or it's not the Battle Fortlantis. I don't know
Speaker 2: how many tournaments they have going on down there, but
Speaker 2: they were just both by and agreed to do a
Speaker 2: standalone game, non conference, neutral site game at the resort.
Speaker 2: So they played yesterday morning, and Georgia was just better
Speaker 2: from start to finish. So I still think Rick's got
Speaker 2: a really good team, and I think they'll end up
Speaker 2: being honestly one of the better teams in the Big East.
Speaker 2: Because the Big East, despite being a good league and
Speaker 2: obviously having Yukon win the back, you know, back to
Speaker 2: back national championships, outside of the top tier, I think
Speaker 2: it's not great in the ACE in the Big East.
Speaker 2: So anyways, I wish and I've just looked at the
Speaker 2: pictures during the break there of of the UFL posted
Speaker 2: on the Twitter account showing them arriving. And yes, certainly
Speaker 2: some jealousy on my end because it looks beautiful and
Speaker 2: I'd like to be in the Mahamas. But hey, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe next time. All right, So I'm probably giving this
Speaker 2: more life than than than it needs to have because
Speaker 2: it doesn't really it's not a thing. But I know
Speaker 2: at least it's been talked about, and for those who
Speaker 2: don't have contexts didn't hear it themselves, I feel like
Speaker 2: it's worth it's worth letting you guys here. So Pat
Speaker 2: Kelsey was asked by Matt mcgavick, who covers the cards
Speaker 2: for Sports Illustrated. Matt does a great job, and you know,
Speaker 2: I'm just saying this because I want I consider him
Speaker 2: a friend, but he's he works his ass off covering
Speaker 2: u of L and does a great job, and he's
Speaker 2: the one who of course, there was no intent. He
Speaker 2: did nothing wrong at all when he posted that team
Speaker 2: picture at media day that wasn't the official team photo,
Speaker 2: and you know, that created a life of its own,
Speaker 2: and he got hounded by some of LOIVEL fans who
Speaker 2: acted like he was doing something to try to make
Speaker 2: him look bad, which was nonsense, but he does a
Speaker 2: great job. And he asked a question to to Pat
Speaker 2: Kelsey that I thought was just, you know, absolutely a
Speaker 2: very fair and honestly a question that I was expecting
Speaker 2: somebody to ask. And I don't really know that Matt
Speaker 2: could have asked the question any better than he did.
Speaker 2: And maybe it's not fair to say that Pat Kelsey,
Speaker 2: you know, got mad about it, but not a shocker.
Speaker 2: Once I heard it that it became a talking point
Speaker 2: from fans online who realized, hey, we've never really seen
Speaker 2: Pat kelcey kind of you know, I don't even know
Speaker 2: if it would be accurate to say that he questioned
Speaker 2: a question that was asked to him or he was
Speaker 2: bothered by it, but it was just clearly a little
Speaker 2: different back and forth that we've heard from from PK.
Speaker 2: And I don't think it's an issue at all. I
Speaker 2: don't think either people are at fault here. But of course,
Speaker 2: again it became at least somewhat of a talking point online.
Speaker 2: But here here's the exchange ball sample size.
Speaker 4: But in that time, the toughness and physicality on both
Speaker 4: ends of the floor, especially like around the rim, kind
Speaker 4: of has some some ebb and flow to it not
Speaker 4: super super consistent. What's something you guys have to do
Speaker 4: moving forward in order to get a little bit more
Speaker 4: consistent in that department.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's your opinion. I think I think I'm
Speaker 3: pretty freaking gratty at the rim. James had five blocks.
Speaker 3: We're making hard plays on the ball, like we call
Speaker 3: it beating stuff up at the rim. You know, we
Speaker 3: take a bunch of charges tonight, can I ruse ring
Speaker 3: Smith took two? You know, you might not think it's consistent.
Speaker 3: I think our guys are playing your butts off defensively.
Speaker 2: So John, I'm sure you heard that for the first time. Yes,
Speaker 2: do you take anything from that, like, you know, from
Speaker 2: an objective ear who doesn't care one way or the other.
Speaker 2: Like it wasn't a contentious situation, but he basically asked
Speaker 2: a question, and pat Kelsey responded by, Baby, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm basically I'm not going to really answer that because
Speaker 2: I totally disagree with the premise of your question that
Speaker 2: we're not tough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think like nobody did anything wrong though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could tell that Pat pat Kelsey was annoyed
Speaker 1: with the question because I'm sure he wants everyone on
Speaker 1: the outside looking in to see that his team is
Speaker 1: giving maximum effort all the time. So I can see
Speaker 1: where he would be upset. But it is interesting to
Speaker 1: hear him be that way kind of for the same.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and here's here's the way I see it.
Speaker 2: And this is just my opinion. And you know, I
Speaker 2: have this opinion from what I know of him. I
Speaker 2: don't think that he would tell you that you're wrong
Speaker 2: to look at the rebounding numbers and say, Okay, that
Speaker 2: needs to be better. He would he agrees with that, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't think he would tell you that, like, no,
Speaker 2: we want to give up more offensive rebounds than what
Speaker 2: we get. That's our like no, course not. But I
Speaker 2: just think his brand, the way he coaches, just everything
Speaker 2: about him is that he's going to have instincts that
Speaker 2: are going to always show to defend his guys even
Speaker 2: if it doesn't seem necessary. Because again, Matt didn't ask
Speaker 2: a question or make a comment leading to his question
Speaker 2: that insulted or like disrespected his guys. In fact, he
Speaker 2: probably could have been a little bit more direct about
Speaker 2: just the numbers. In fact, I thought, I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: I'm guessing mcgavick up here. But it's just the truth.
Speaker 2: I don't think he could have asked that question any
Speaker 2: better as far as not coming off like, hey, you
Speaker 2: guys are soft and pat just instincts kicked in. He's
Speaker 2: going to defend his guys because that's who he is
Speaker 2: as a pert, Like that's just him. So he'll challenge
Speaker 2: them internally, Like there's no doubt in my mind that
Speaker 2: he's not letting them know, you got a rebound, we
Speaker 2: got to box out, we got to fight because we're
Speaker 2: going to be playing teams that are you know, going
Speaker 2: to really try to clean the glass against cause we've
Speaker 2: got to come ready to work. Now, does that mean
Speaker 2: that they come out there and they can neutralize the
Speaker 2: issue that they have as far as you know, just
Speaker 2: teams are going to have pound for pound more size
Speaker 2: than them in the post. That's just the reality of it.
Speaker 2: So you know, does he get results that make you
Speaker 2: feel better? Only time will tell, But I just think
Speaker 2: that's going to be him. I don't think he's going
Speaker 2: to be defensive, and I don't really know if he
Speaker 2: was defensive there, but I just think instincts like he's
Speaker 2: going to defend his guys because that's who he is.
Speaker 2: But it doesn't mean he's not like he's not in
Speaker 2: you know. The direct answer there makes you think is
Speaker 2: if he thinks there's no problem with winthro about rebounding
Speaker 2: them on the offensive glass. And I don't believe that's
Speaker 2: the case at all. I think he knows it's a problem.
Speaker 2: They're going to work on it. But he's always going
Speaker 2: to be positive. That's just his nature. And if he
Speaker 2: wasn't that, he wouldn't be genuine. And I think this
Speaker 2: day and age, especially with the way college sports has
Speaker 2: changed so much, players are going to sniff out if
Speaker 2: you're genuine or not, and it matters because they now
Speaker 2: can sense that and move on from you if they want.
Speaker 2: You could be whatever. Whenever players had no control over anything,
Speaker 2: couldn't lead with that, sitting out, couldn't make any money.
Speaker 2: So I think in a way it's actually, you know,
Speaker 2: the timing of this new world. Who knows what either
Speaker 2: coach does long term, but I think Mark Pope and
Speaker 2: Pat Kelsey, both from a personality standpoint, are the kind
Speaker 2: of guys that would have a chance to really thrive
Speaker 2: in this new world, maybe more so than the ogs
Speaker 2: that think they can just you know, be drill sergeants
Speaker 2: and not expect guys to take advantage of the opportunity
Speaker 2: to leave. Now, maybe some of these guys will down
Speaker 2: the line realize they shouldn't have ran when they were
Speaker 2: being challenged and being held accountable. But either way, they
Speaker 2: have the right to do it, and they're going to
Speaker 2: continue to do it if they can so. And look,
Speaker 2: he gets on them a lot during games. I mean
Speaker 2: it's not like he's I just think that hearing that,
Speaker 2: fans were already kind of worried about it about like, hey,
Speaker 2: we got we got a rebound, we got to bucks out,
Speaker 2: we got to make sure we can't give up offensive
Speaker 2: rebounds at this rate to teams like this, and then
Speaker 2: for him to kind of act like, a't your opinion?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think we you know, I think we're
Speaker 2: pretty physical. I think we work our tails off. You know,
Speaker 2: it probably made some fans, and it did clearly because
Speaker 2: it became a thing online, which happens this day and age.
Speaker 2: But it made people think that he doesn't believe that
Speaker 2: there's that that's something they got to get better at.
Speaker 2: And I just think, you know, I think that's I mean,
Speaker 2: I get why you have why you came to that conclusion,
Speaker 2: But I believe that he's well aware that they got
Speaker 2: to be better at that, and I would be willing
Speaker 2: to bet that they've worked their tails off at making
Speaker 2: sure that they are. And look, I'll I mean, I
Speaker 2: would say it to him as well, like sometimes I
Speaker 2: don't think your guys are not getting rebounds because they're
Speaker 2: not fighting. I don't think it's because they're soft.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: The reality is just from a physicality standpoint, like Cason
Speaker 2: Pryor is not a big physical presence, neither's James Scott.
Speaker 2: I mean, you really don't have that guy this year,
Speaker 2: and that's that's just something you're gonna have to counter.
Speaker 2: But it's nice to know that one they're not not
Speaker 2: giving effort. I think this may I'm probably simplifying this
Speaker 2: more so than than than most are, but I think
Speaker 2: these dudes, every one of them that's out there playing,
Speaker 2: and I mean it, every one of them, especially now
Speaker 2: that Trail is hurt, They've never had a role where
Speaker 2: they are really needed on the glass. They've been able
Speaker 2: to rebound here and there, but like they don't have
Speaker 2: the instincts to just turn and box out right away,
Speaker 2: because again it's you know, you should always do that,
Speaker 2: but you haven't always had to do that because you've
Speaker 2: played your whole career wherever it was, and you've never
Speaker 2: really been somebody that has been needed to be a
Speaker 2: seven eight rebound per game guy. I mean, I hate
Speaker 2: saying they're finesse biggs because that sounds insulting. Like Caseon
Speaker 2: Pryor is an athlete, he can go get rebounds like that,
Speaker 2: but like James Scott, he's a good athlete too, but
Speaker 2: like he's got to box somebody out. Like sometimes these
Speaker 2: guys get rebounds and that's what you want. But I'm like, man,
Speaker 2: he got that rebound because he's bigger. He got that
Speaker 2: rebound because he was in the right place right time.
Speaker 2: Like you got to box out and clearly, I mean
Speaker 2: that's basic stuff. That's stuff you learn whenever you're really young.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's a scenario where Pat Kelsey is
Speaker 2: not emphasizing, hey, we got to turn and box out
Speaker 2: when a shot goes up. But I just think instincts
Speaker 2: are are not there for these guys yet, because again
Speaker 2: it's gonna be by committee. There's no one guy on
Speaker 2: your team this year that's just going to clean the
Speaker 2: backboard for you. So everybody's got to be able to
Speaker 2: have the mindset of, like got it's gonna be a
Speaker 2: collective effort. Who knows, maybe one night Rain Smith, just
Speaker 2: because he's boxing his guy out, maybe he ends up
Speaker 2: with six rebounds and treyor I think could have been
Speaker 2: that guy, because I think he is somebody that is
Speaker 2: just a really gifted rebounder. He's not super physical, but
Speaker 2: he's a great athlete, has insane length, has good instincts.
Speaker 2: So you know, it's it's it's understandable that that's a
Speaker 2: concern for everybody, but I don't think if we go
Speaker 2: down there and see them, can you know, and by
Speaker 2: the way, I'm not going hopefully you guys are going
Speaker 2: to be great, But if we see this team continue
Speaker 2: to have some physicality issues and maybe one of the
Speaker 2: reasons why they come up short in a game or
Speaker 2: two is because of the rebounding, it's still gonna be
Speaker 2: an issue. But like, I don't think it's gonna be
Speaker 2: because they're not addressing it. And I think his answer
Speaker 2: put a little bit of worry in some fans that like, oh,
Speaker 2: he didn't think we have a problem on the glass
Speaker 2: and I don't think it's the case. I think he
Speaker 2: hears what he heard. He heard what he heard from Matt,
Speaker 2: even though Matt was I think trying to be as
Speaker 2: nice as possible, and he was very professional. But he's
Speaker 2: just gonna always defend his guys because that's who he is.
Speaker 2: All Right, quick break, we'll come back on the other side,
Speaker 2: wrap up the four o'clock hour. We've got some sound
Speaker 2: I want you guys to hear from both Jeff Brohm
Speaker 2: and Mark Stoops. Five days away from the Governor's Cup game,
Speaker 2: and I'm going to be a wreck before this thing
Speaker 2: kicks off with the Governor's Cup game just five days away,
Speaker 2: as well as Louisville basketball getting back out there against
Speaker 2: a really good team for just the second time this season. Obviously,
Speaker 2: that's been a big part of our conversation throughout the
Speaker 2: first two hours. But it was a wild last weekend
Speaker 2: in college football on Saturday that I'm not sure really
Speaker 2: anybody knows what it did to like the playoff. I mean,
Speaker 2: could there be so much chaos that you know, they
Speaker 2: just kind of, you know, leave it as is. I
Speaker 2: doubt it, but nothing would really shock me when it
Speaker 2: comes to the Committee as far as what they do,
Speaker 2: and I know the AP pole is not the playoff rankings,
Speaker 2: and they're really seemingly done differently. But if the AP
Speaker 2: poll voters are feeling the same way that the or
Speaker 2: if the committee members are feeling the same way that
Speaker 2: AP poll voters are feeling about the weekend, then they're
Speaker 2: going to show us that yes, they don't hold the
Speaker 2: same standard for everybody. The SEC is going to get
Speaker 2: a benefit of the doubt that others just don't get,
Speaker 2: because I mean, Alabama has had enough shortfalls this year
Speaker 2: to where like we know, they're not even worthy of
Speaker 2: a playoff, like they shouldn't be considered at all, and
Speaker 2: yet they still seem to get this benefit that has
Speaker 2: to be because they're Alabama and because of the history
Speaker 2: and because of what has been done years prior, which
Speaker 2: does like I would say that, you know, I feel
Speaker 2: better about Bama and their ability and their talent than
Speaker 2: I do about you know, Vandy, because you know it's Baman,
Speaker 2: it's Vandy. But this year when the two teams played
Speaker 2: each other, guess who won Vandy? And I know people say, well,
Speaker 2: look if they play that game none times and they
Speaker 2: play you know, they're they played ten games, there's no
Speaker 2: way Vandy sniff's another victory. Well, you may be right,
Speaker 2: but if that's the way you look at it, then
Speaker 2: why don't we play any games at all? Why don't
Speaker 2: we just have the SEC Invitational? And then what would
Speaker 2: you say if you lost to Vandy in that? Like,
Speaker 2: I mean, I could just Again, I'm not telling you
Speaker 2: that I believe that Alabama is a terrible team, but
Speaker 2: you got to line up and play, and you got
Speaker 2: to win or you look you win or you lose,
Speaker 2: and then that has to matter. And like Alabama has
Speaker 2: shown us this year that they're not anywhere close to
Speaker 2: being what they typically are, and even if they were
Speaker 2: and it was just bad luck, it doesn't matter. They've lost.
Speaker 2: Losses have to matter. So again, the AP voters, let
Speaker 2: me just give you comparison here. Miami lost their first
Speaker 2: game of the year when they lost to Georgia Tech
Speaker 2: George Tech seven and four. Now George Tech at the
Speaker 2: time was solid, but that dropped Miami from number four
Speaker 2: to number twelve. Alabama's now lost their third game of
Speaker 2: the year and humiliating fashion, twenty four to three to Oklahoma,
Speaker 2: who was five hundred at the time. And by the way,
Speaker 2: Oklahoma only picked up their second was it their second
Speaker 2: or third victory at SEC? Either way, Now Alabama has
Speaker 2: two losses to unranked teams and they drop from number
Speaker 2: seven to number thirteen. Like I'm not saying they should
Speaker 2: be outside the top twenty five, but like other teams,
Speaker 2: what they with the same results, same situation. If they
Speaker 2: don't have the brand of Alabama and they don't reside
Speaker 2: in the Southeastern Conference, they're going to be held to
Speaker 2: you know, they're going to be punished more so than
Speaker 2: than Alabama would be. And look, I'm not I'm not
Speaker 2: disagreeing with anybody that claims, like, come on, you can't
Speaker 2: tell me if Alabama played well, then why are we
Speaker 2: playing any games? If we're just gonna base it off
Speaker 2: of like, well, I know this team and that like okay, well,
Speaker 2: then like the games don't matter then right, like we
Speaker 2: just we For some people who claim that preseason rankings
Speaker 2: are stupid and preseason rankings don't matter and the ape
Speaker 2: pole stupid, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: It does.
Speaker 2: It creates the perception and the SEC and preseason rankings
Speaker 2: and in the AP pole, and really, since the beginning
Speaker 2: of time, they're not held accountable like other other leagues are.
Speaker 2: And yes, it is the best league in college football.
Speaker 2: Nobody would tell you otherwise. But if that's just what
Speaker 2: if we're all just going to accept that and then realize, well,
Speaker 2: because we know the league is the top league, we
Speaker 2: just can't hold them accountable like we do the other teams.
Speaker 2: Then again, why are you even playing games? Just go
Speaker 2: in your go have your own like the SEC should
Speaker 2: just play itself. I mean, that will never happen because
Speaker 2: then who would they be able to claim that they're
Speaker 2: better there? Like, it's just this is a year where
Speaker 2: the committee playoff committee, those who you know, decide who
Speaker 2: gets in. They're gonna there's gonna be no gray area.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be quite clear. Either they finally did hold
Speaker 2: the SEC accountable, just like they hold other leagues accountable,
Speaker 2: or they're confirming what we've accused them of since the beginning,
Speaker 2: which is that they just clearly think the SEC is.
Speaker 4: Work.
Speaker 2: And again, I'm not saying it's not the best league,
Speaker 2: But if that's your counter to why you shouldn't be
Speaker 2: held accountable the same way a Miami is when they
Speaker 2: lose to Georgia Tech. The same way in Indiana is
Speaker 2: when they lose to Ohio State at Ohio State, then
Speaker 2: you're telling us the games don't matter, and last time
Speaker 2: I check, they do. Maybe I'm wrong. All Right, we
Speaker 2: got another hour left and a lot more to get into.
Speaker 2: We'll let you hear from Jeff Brohm, Mark Stoops, both
Speaker 2: guys talking about this rivalry matchup on Saturday, and we'll
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