Speaker 1: I'm John Glover.
Speaker 2: I was Lionel Luther on a Smallville and I will
Speaker 2: always always hold on to Smallville and I hope you
Speaker 2: all do.
Speaker 1: Two. Welcome to Always hold on to Smallville. In this podcast,
Speaker 1: we've talked about each in every episode of the Yolk
Speaker 1: Superman Show that ram from two thousand and one to
Speaker 1: twenty eleven on the WB and the CW. I'm your host,
Speaker 1: Sach Moore, and we're back with another Top ten episodes.
Speaker 1: That's right, the top ten episodes of Smallville as voted
Speaker 1: by you, the listeners, and this time the number seven entry, Transference.
Speaker 1: That's right. Traditionally Tom Wellings favorite episode of the show
Speaker 1: since Talkville. I'm not sure if his opinion has changed.
Speaker 1: I feel like you know, back in the day, this
Speaker 1: is one of the episodes that stuck out to him
Speaker 1: and he was most familiar with. Other than saying the pilot,
Speaker 1: he would say Transference was his favorite episode. And you've
Speaker 1: heard me talk about it before or after, and always
Speaker 1: will to me. This is Tom Wellings' finest acting performance
Speaker 1: on Smallville. He has some excellent scenes over the course
Speaker 1: of the series, but for an individual episode, this has
Speaker 1: got to be his highlight. The way he embodied John Glover,
Speaker 1: who we knew so well for watching over three seasons
Speaker 1: on the show, and he just captured that. And it's
Speaker 1: just such a magnetic performance. And obviously there's so many
Speaker 1: layers to it, right the writing, the directing, John Glover
Speaker 1: walk through the scenes before welling perform the scenes on camera,
Speaker 1: so he was just able to channel the great John Lover,
Speaker 1: the greatest actor on Smallville. I'm always struggling with how
Speaker 1: many season four episodes should I put on my own
Speaker 1: personal top ten list? You know, this particular time, Transference
Speaker 1: made the cut. Other times I don't know. I cycle through.
Speaker 1: It's a Transference, is it Onyx?
Speaker 3: Is it Run?
Speaker 1: What is the best episode of season four? And in
Speaker 1: good conscience, I can't put more than one season four
Speaker 1: episode on my top ten list. Maybe that's silly. I
Speaker 1: need to break through that at some point, if you
Speaker 1: ask me at a different point in time, maybe these
Speaker 1: season four episodes will start breaking through, because truly, Transference
Speaker 1: and Run and Onyx are some of the best of
Speaker 1: the best the series, and they're in season four, so
Speaker 1: you know, in a good day, maybe all three of
Speaker 1: those could be on the top ten list. But today
Speaker 1: it's Transference, and this is an episode that is almost perfect.
Speaker 1: You know, you'll hear us talk about it, obviously, but
Speaker 1: a couple of things that got it cleaned up, especially
Speaker 1: with Clark remembers what happened, but Lionel doesn't. Kind of
Speaker 1: convenient right, Clark's soul healing, Lionel's sickness, Like, is that
Speaker 1: what happened there? I don't know. But regardless, this isn't
Speaker 1: an all time entertaining episode of the show. And yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a reason why this is on the top ten list.
Speaker 1: I voted for it on mine, and the listeners voted
Speaker 1: for it on there. So it is refreshing to talk
Speaker 1: about an episode that's not a premiere or finale. Those conversations,
Speaker 1: you know, they were for a double episode in the
Speaker 1: case of the finale, the first episode, which is a
Speaker 1: little longer in the case of the pilot. Now we're
Speaker 1: into just standard episodes of Smallville, so the length of
Speaker 1: these may vary. But before we get into it here,
Speaker 1: let's look back on what we gave Transference on the
Speaker 1: letter grade scale. On the podcast Proper Transference had myself
Speaker 1: and Matt Trux. I gave Transference an A and Matt
Speaker 1: gave Transference of B plus. So obviously Matt and I
Speaker 1: had already talked about this episode in depth on the
Speaker 1: podcast Profer, but I am again joined by Lance Laster
Speaker 1: from Always oldunt Arrow, Victoria Malay, and Matt Trux from
Speaker 1: Loewis and Clark, the new podcast of Superman and Mini
Speaker 1: Always hold On to podcasts on the network and on
Speaker 1: the Patreon. So, without further ado, let's discuss the number
Speaker 1: seven episode of Smallville Transference on.
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Speaker 4: You're right, You're absolutely right.
Speaker 3: I'm not myself knows the truth.
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Speaker 1: Transference. We're back to doing like a normal episode because
Speaker 1: the last two episodes we did the finale of the
Speaker 1: show and the pilot of the show, and it's kind
Speaker 1: of intimating to talk about in this format. We got
Speaker 1: several people, We're talking all kinds of things. The conversation
Speaker 1: goes to, oh, well, you know they cast so and so,
Speaker 1: and oh, I can't believe they wrapped it up this way.
Speaker 1: This is like Okay, this is just an episode of
Speaker 1: the show that's really good and we're going to discuss it,
Speaker 1: and let's ask was it on your top ten list? Lance?
Speaker 3: No, it's a great episode. It's a highlight.
Speaker 5: It didn't make my top ten, but it is definitely
Speaker 5: a highlight of the season, Victoria.
Speaker 1: Was it on your top ten list?
Speaker 6: Probably not.
Speaker 2: I don't have my list on me, but I definitely
Speaker 2: feel like it should have been up there. And I
Speaker 2: was very intimidated by making this list process because I
Speaker 2: was very worried that I would leave stuff like this
Speaker 2: episode off.
Speaker 6: This is one of my favorite.
Speaker 1: Episodes, Matt Trux. Is it in your top ten list?
Speaker 2: It?
Speaker 4: I literally just got to it. It is not in
Speaker 4: my top ten list, No.
Speaker 1: It's in mine, but it's good.
Speaker 4: It's a good episode, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to be fair to all y'all, I meant to
Speaker 1: pull up the top ten list and see, but I
Speaker 1: just I just didn't. So next time I will, and
Speaker 1: we'll we'll have all the answers. This is one of
Speaker 1: the back when I hated season four, I was like,
Speaker 1: there's like three good episodes and season four is transference
Speaker 1: running on X and screw the rest off them terrible,
Speaker 1: still not as good as the first three, but a
Speaker 1: solid season nonetheless, And this is really a highlight of well,
Speaker 1: not okay, Matt, not a solid season. It's not perfect.
Speaker 1: Come man, you know you can't be positive anymore. People
Speaker 1: get on you. So it's as bad.
Speaker 4: It's a positivity that the season inspired. It's nice to.
Speaker 1: Say, did what do you guys think about transfer Lance?
Speaker 1: I'll start with you.
Speaker 5: I remember it being a really good episode. It still
Speaker 5: is a good episode. It still holds up. You know,
Speaker 5: there's a couple of takeaways, but like for right now,
Speaker 5: just right off the bat, there's a lot happening in
Speaker 5: this episode. There's like a lot of stuff going on.
Speaker 5: I was impressed by that, like they you know, managed
Speaker 5: to take on a lot of things in an already
Speaker 5: kind of packed season, especially at that point in the season,
Speaker 5: the early third.
Speaker 1: I guess, all right, Tory, what about you?
Speaker 2: It's very interesting, I think because I remember I watched
Speaker 2: small Velle at such an impressionable age, so I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is great.
Speaker 6: This is the peak of acting and it's amazing.
Speaker 2: But I think the thing rewatching it is just how
Speaker 2: well it has held up, like even now as someone
Speaker 2: who's matured and knows a lot more about filmmaking and
Speaker 2: just how it's led to a deeper appreciation of just.
Speaker 6: How well they nailed it.
Speaker 2: Also, when I was watching it again, I had big
Speaker 2: appreciation for this is such a tropey trope the body switch,
Speaker 2: and it's it's a trope I honestly hate, but they
Speaker 2: did it so well and I have to give them
Speaker 2: so many hats off for really adjusting it well to
Speaker 2: the show. I think we've talked about this on the
Speaker 2: podcast proper before, like small though, for all of its flaws,
Speaker 2: when sometimes they're just really good or in my opinion,
Speaker 2: at taking like a trope or taking like something a
Speaker 2: cliche and tailoring it to the show so it doesn't
Speaker 2: feel as stale. And I finally remembered what because I
Speaker 2: was trying to think of this earlier, what I was
Speaker 2: originally referencing. It's like when they did the teen sex
Speaker 2: PSA in Unsafe. I personally thought, I know, Zach will
Speaker 2: probably not agree with me, and maybe Lance won either
Speaker 2: or Matt, but I thought they did a good job
Speaker 2: at at least tailoring that kind of like trope and
Speaker 2: that PSA really well into like the progression of the
Speaker 2: show in that episode, and I think that's this was
Speaker 2: another instance where they took something that's like very like
Speaker 2: very overused in modern storytelling and did a really good
Speaker 2: job at making it small Ville specific and just really
Speaker 2: stick in the landing.
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Speaker 1: Matt, what about you, man, what are your thoughts on transference?
Speaker 4: The trope of it is so well done? What you
Speaker 4: just said, Victoria, Yeah, so I was thinking about a
Speaker 4: lot of different like bodies switch episodes, you know, And
Speaker 4: my personal favorite is a Buffy season four episode weirdly enough,
Speaker 4: but this one is a close second because there's plot
Speaker 4: in this episode. Obviously, we have to learn about stones
Speaker 4: and blah blah blah and how's it going to transference
Speaker 4: and all that, But the biggest, like the most memorable
Speaker 4: parts of it and where they put the meat of
Speaker 4: the episode are these character moments. Are seeing the reverses
Speaker 4: of the relationships with everybody in both of these guys' lives.
Speaker 4: Mostly as with tom Welling with Clark or Lionel Clark
Speaker 4: whatever we're going to call him tonight, and a little
Speaker 4: bit with Lionel. But just seeing those interactions and those
Speaker 4: character beating after character beating after character beat, he interacts
Speaker 4: with the whole main cast in a very different way,
Speaker 4: and that makes it compelling.
Speaker 2: I also think it was so interesting because I feel
Speaker 2: like maybe the first impulse was to have Clark and
Speaker 2: Lex and I'm really happy they I don't know, this
Speaker 2: is me just writing real person Smallville fanfic for the writers,
Speaker 2: but like I think it was, having Clark and Lionel
Speaker 2: was also just so compelling and interesting, and I'm really
Speaker 2: glad they chose those characters.
Speaker 1: That's a great point. I feel like if they hadn't
Speaker 1: done this episode in season four, when they got to
Speaker 1: like season seven, they would have done a hey what
Speaker 1: if Clark and Lex which bodies episode? And of course
Speaker 1: he would have had an amnesia and they would have
Speaker 1: yeah who, and then a lot of situation there with
Speaker 1: those guys. So this was the really this was a
Speaker 1: really good time for the buddy swap, and y'all have
Speaker 1: mentioned all the characters he interacts with. Honestly, my favorite one.
Speaker 1: I don't know. They're all so good. They're all so good.
Speaker 1: A true laugh out loud moment. No, no, no, it's it's
Speaker 1: not the Lana one, Matt.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: That was when he's talking to Jason Tigue and he's like,
Speaker 1: you're looking at me like you have no idea who
Speaker 1: I am. He's like, yeah, sure I do. You're a coach.
Speaker 1: And because he's wearing a coach or a jacket, that
Speaker 1: is the This is the funniest moment in the episode.
Speaker 3: I think, well, yeah, well that one.
Speaker 5: And then the second time he talks to Jason when
Speaker 5: he catches he and Lana, and with his last words
Speaker 5: is just like he's like, all right, then coach something
Speaker 5: like to that effect, and like he said, and just
Speaker 5: the way he says coach again, it's just like Liono
Speaker 5: probably at this point in the show probably doesn't even
Speaker 5: know this dude's name, which I know.
Speaker 3: That's what I that's what I read into it.
Speaker 5: I was like, that's hilarious, Like he knows he's his
Speaker 5: coach and he's just gonna say it a certain way,
Speaker 5: like a Lionel way, and it's hilarious.
Speaker 1: Yep, they didn't meet at those Veritas meanings like ten
Speaker 1: years ago and hanging out at Doctor Swans how so
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's grown.
Speaker 6: Up so much, really recognize him.
Speaker 4: I thought you were going to say the mom hug,
Speaker 4: the Martha hug, which is just.
Speaker 6: They're all so so edible, so fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the best.
Speaker 5: Way though, you know, the Lionel having a crush on
Speaker 5: Martha thing is one of my favorite things in this show,
Speaker 5: Like he knows, and it's like it just cracks me
Speaker 5: up because it's been there since the beginning, and like,
Speaker 5: I love how it's just this nice little through line
Speaker 5: throughout the entire show that Lionel has a thing for Martha,
Speaker 5: and it just like it manifested in this episode the
Speaker 5: the craepiest way possible, for sure, I think.
Speaker 2: I also love my favorite moment is the this one
Speaker 2: moment with because we were all thinking it and then
Speaker 2: it was like hallolu, soone finally said it. And then
Speaker 2: also I rewatching. I thought the Chloe scene was so interesting,
Speaker 2: like the Chloe one. I know, like we all like
Speaker 2: the theme of the show is like Loe has to
Speaker 2: be psychologically tortured, but that was such an interesting thing
Speaker 2: between like welling at the top of his game, acting
Speaker 2: wise and like al and bringing her.
Speaker 6: Best per usu.
Speaker 2: There was like the tension there was so interesting, and
Speaker 2: I was like trying to remember what it would have
Speaker 2: been like watching it without knowing what was happening, and
Speaker 2: like the scene starts and you don't really know how
Speaker 2: it's gonna end.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because you don't really know what this is.
Speaker 1: Lionel Luther here in Clark's body, don't know what his
Speaker 1: intentions are gonna be with Chloe because she's the oneho
Speaker 1: but him in jail. But he knows that Chloe's in
Speaker 1: love with Clark, so he's gonna use that to like
Speaker 1: just twist that knife.
Speaker 2: I also had like, sorry, a creeper moment when I
Speaker 2: was It really like hit me how creepy it was
Speaker 2: because I just like, you know, I'm just like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's like Clark's really letting himself go. But no, like
Speaker 2: realizing that was me when I was twelve, I'm like, yes,
Speaker 2: look at yourself in the mirror, shirtless more.
Speaker 6: But when he says.
Speaker 2: That moment with the cheerliers where he's like ladies, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, you're such a creepy old thing.
Speaker 1: But he's a villain, So it's okay, we can laugh
Speaker 1: at it, right, guess.
Speaker 4: Totally yeah, but you know what he's doing in the
Speaker 4: minute he gets to Mexico or wherever he's trying to
Speaker 4: flee to there, you know, Freddy Mercury.
Speaker 1: Very good, very good. This is Tom Willing's finest performance.
Speaker 1: Does anyone think there's a better episode of his acting
Speaker 1: in this show?
Speaker 3: I don't think this is.
Speaker 4: This is like what what's another like Meaedy Clark, like
Speaker 4: important Clark scene for him, like in because I feel
Speaker 4: like most of that is him reacting to like I'm
Speaker 4: from Crypto.
Speaker 5: He has great scenes throughout, but I think what Zach
Speaker 5: is talking about is just like minute one to the end,
Speaker 5: like of the.
Speaker 3: Like the episode. I think this is.
Speaker 5: He has great episodes, like you know, like can't Luthor
Speaker 5: like you know, like you can name different things, but
Speaker 5: as far as like the whole episode, I think this
Speaker 5: is probably it.
Speaker 1: Those two you just mentioned. He's playing ultra man, so
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, he again, Tom Welling, he missed his calling.
Speaker 1: He should have been a villain in something.
Speaker 2: But honestly, though, I think the villain is only healing.
Speaker 2: The villain is so much fun for us to watch
Speaker 2: and we think he missed his calling. He's done such
Speaker 2: a good job or we've seen so much of him
Speaker 2: playing the good guy, like I don't I don't know
Speaker 2: if the impact would have been the same if we
Speaker 2: were introduced to him as a villain, but maybe not.
Speaker 2: The guy looks like a Donnis and he a swag
Speaker 2: for days, so I don't know. The only one I
Speaker 2: was thinking of that was kind of Meaty the season
Speaker 2: three episode one, I think, because he's like but I
Speaker 2: think Transforence trumps it because he's like channeling another person
Speaker 2: rather than just playing another facet of the character. And
Speaker 2: I was specifically watching it this time. He just had
Speaker 2: he just I think what really sold it was like
Speaker 2: something technical, which was and I think you guys mentioned
Speaker 2: this in your your episode of the podcast proper as
Speaker 2: we're referring.
Speaker 1: To it the podcast prop that's what we're always gonna call
Speaker 1: it now, the podcast profit is they had I think.
Speaker 2: They had Glover play all the scenes and then Welling
Speaker 2: would go in. He knew you What really sold it
Speaker 2: as I was watching it and analyzing, was he had
Speaker 2: the Welling could do the cadence, And I think that's
Speaker 2: what makes it so innate and then you're like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, wait, no, that's really line aloother.
Speaker 4: John Glover brought this up, and he pointed out something
Speaker 4: I hadn't noticed before, but I guess Lionel has like
Speaker 4: a weird thing where like he will like slide his
Speaker 4: tongue or his lips a little yeah, just kind of
Speaker 4: like wet his lips a little bit. And he said
Speaker 4: he used to do that a lot on the show,
Speaker 4: and he noticed that Tom was just kind of picking
Speaker 4: that up, which is a whole other level of it too.
Speaker 4: But like, I agree with you, Victoria, like he's not
Speaker 4: doing an impression or like an impersonation, but he's just
Speaker 4: wearing the skin of it like so manatively. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, And that's where that the Freddy Mercury comment
Speaker 1: comes from. Is yes, the inside of you with John Glover,
Speaker 1: microm So, hiler Grim and everyone go listen to that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, to that point, Glover mentions in that interview
Speaker 1: it was hard for him to play the young Clark
Speaker 1: and that he's on record in the companion. He said
Speaker 1: that and then talking to Rosebom because Rose Mom was
Speaker 1: asking about that when they switched parts, and I think
Speaker 1: we can all agree with John Glover and the fact
Speaker 1: that the weakest part of this soul switch through is
Speaker 1: as good as Tom Willing is. John Glover really doesn't
Speaker 1: capture an eighteen year old Clark in does he?
Speaker 3: No, he captured six year old Clark Kent, but not necessarily.
Speaker 6: Told me I was a very boy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: They run faster and really really fast.
Speaker 1: I get that it is hard to just play innate good.
Speaker 1: He was just kind of boring. Although, although I will say,
Speaker 1: and I said this in the podcast proper, by the
Speaker 1: end of the episode, you're so used to like the
Speaker 1: Clark can you see being evil and the Lion of
Speaker 1: LUTHERI you're seeming in like this nice little older guy.
Speaker 1: It's kind of sad when they when they switch places again,
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I kind of like adorable lionel as
Speaker 1: a really special boy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're kind of sad when they switch back because
Speaker 2: you kind of fall in love with like, evil, manipulative Clark.
Speaker 6: At least I did.
Speaker 2: That would have been fun to see a little bit
Speaker 2: more of that, But I think it's also.
Speaker 6: Smart because you always want to leave the audience wanting more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, like they played this trope perfectly. This time around.
Speaker 1: And the thing about lineup Iss and Clark is, we know,
Speaker 1: we've seen John Glover as Lena Luth on the show
Speaker 1: for three years and we've seen we've seen how he acts,
Speaker 1: and to see Tom Willing as Clark channeling that, that's
Speaker 1: makes all the difference. If it's some villain of the week,
Speaker 1: who oh, no, some villain Joberber Clark's bounty, it's a
Speaker 1: generic bad guy, it's not. It doesn't have the weight
Speaker 1: and you don't appreciate the nuance as much. And that
Speaker 1: is what makes it because you have an established character
Speaker 1: possessing an established character, as opposed to hey, here's Zod
Speaker 1: and he'sn't possessing wlax. I'm like, okay, I don't know
Speaker 1: what who Zod is or what he acts like, so
Speaker 1: I can't tell you if he's doing a good job
Speaker 1: or a bad job.
Speaker 4: No, I think you've hit the nail on the head
Speaker 4: with that, because like I was thinking of different body
Speaker 4: swap episodes this week, and like so many of them
Speaker 4: are just villain in the week comes in with their
Speaker 4: body switching machine or whatever and takes the hero and
Speaker 4: that's like, you know, the hero has to convince the
Speaker 4: friends that he's a stranger or whatever. But yeah, I
Speaker 4: agree with you. It's totally that thing that it's both
Speaker 4: characters that we've known for that long and it makes
Speaker 4: it that much more interesting.
Speaker 3: True.
Speaker 5: The one that made me think of after I watched
Speaker 5: it was in US This League Unlimited, the Great Brain Robbery,
Speaker 5: when Yeah, the Flash and Lex Luthor switched places, and
Speaker 5: it's just really funny because like they both kind of
Speaker 5: don't know what to do in like the other person's body,
Speaker 5: and so they just kind of act like themselves when
Speaker 5: everybody just thinks they're weird, and it's a different playing
Speaker 5: field than what we have here where it's just like
Speaker 5: the characters are like, you know, very much more nuanced
Speaker 5: and they know what they're doing. They have goals and
Speaker 5: they're out to do something. Lionels out to mess up
Speaker 5: Clark's life, get his money back and like go do
Speaker 5: whatever else he's gonna do, and then Clark is trying
Speaker 5: to get back to where he is.
Speaker 3: That other episode is just like, this is hilarious that
Speaker 3: Lex Luthor's in the Flash and doesn't know who the
Speaker 3: Flash is. It's hilarious.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is hilarious that the Flashes in Lex Lutheran
Speaker 5: has no idea what he's doing.
Speaker 3: It's pretty funny.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and weirdly maybe it goes to the performances or
Speaker 4: the stronger performance, but also maybe the story. But like
Speaker 4: in the Justice League one, we're following the hero in
Speaker 4: the villain's body a lot more than we're following Lex
Speaker 4: in the flash, right.
Speaker 2: I think, because what really helps the tension or something
Speaker 2: that really landed for me when I was rewatching it
Speaker 2: this time is Clark Lionel or I don't know, I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna call him like sexy. Tom Willing has this
Speaker 2: line of dialogue where he goes, you know, with my
Speaker 2: mind and your body and your powers, like I'm unstoppable,
Speaker 2: and you're like, yeah.
Speaker 6: We gotta get that stone captivated.
Speaker 2: This is not going to end well, oh man, like yes,
Speaker 2: like the guy because like again, like Clark is very handsome,
Speaker 2: but he's like kind of awkward and he doesn't like
Speaker 2: channel that. But like Lionel, who is like so unencumbered
Speaker 2: and so unrestrained and so amoral.
Speaker 1: Dann like and take it. Speaking of uh, you know
Speaker 1: that the body swaps that were saying, like it worked
Speaker 1: really well that Lionel was in jail and also dying,
Speaker 1: So it was like a ticking clock, right, and he
Speaker 1: was like in a place separated from all the other characters.
Speaker 1: Like he had to, like, you know, say something absurd
Speaker 1: about Clark to get Martha to even come see him,
Speaker 1: and she almost immediately leaves and she thinks he's lying,
Speaker 1: so like, it's not like if we if we've done
Speaker 1: that that hypothetical Clark and Lex which you mentioned Victoria,
Speaker 1: like in season seven, it's like, well, how do you
Speaker 1: when you have the hero and the other villains, But
Speaker 1: he can quickly go to his friends and explain all
Speaker 1: this stuff and or it becomes a stupid like they
Speaker 1: don't believe him for some reason. So it worked really
Speaker 1: well that you have lionels separated from everybody in prison.
Speaker 2: So oh okay, wait, that actually reminded me of a
Speaker 2: question that I have.
Speaker 6: I would like to ask a question. So you know
Speaker 6: the scene when.
Speaker 2: They get Clark Lionel sexy Tom willing to come back
Speaker 2: to the.
Speaker 6: Prison, yes, and he's sitting with not Jim Rash.
Speaker 1: And thank you, thank you, yep.
Speaker 2: And I'm also Jim Rash went to my high school
Speaker 2: in my college, so I'm totally team Jim Rash, sorry,
Speaker 2: other guy. The way that scene goes that I was
Speaker 2: like listening and watching extra closely this time. Is that
Speaker 2: him Edgar not Jim Rash putting on an act.
Speaker 6: To lure Clark back.
Speaker 2: Was that a legitimate thing where he was like, I legit,
Speaker 2: don't know, No, that's totally a plan because he has
Speaker 2: a moment that he was like, wait, wait, how's how
Speaker 2: stuff coming along with your lawyers? That made that kind
Speaker 2: of like threw me for a second.
Speaker 1: I think it was a Lionel and Clark's by the way,
Speaker 1: Clark and Lionel's body. And I always thought he was
Speaker 1: the not.
Speaker 6: Sexy, un sexy John Glove.
Speaker 4: I got confused.
Speaker 1: I always thought he was the verising guy. That's what
Speaker 1: I can you hear me now, guy, that's the why.
Speaker 1: That's why I equated Edgar too. But they had concocted
Speaker 1: a plan where they would lun re Lionel back, and
Speaker 1: and Clark had said that he would help him out,
Speaker 1: I guess at some point. But see that gets all
Speaker 1: lost because at the end of the episode, he like
Speaker 1: goes and tells les, oh, we gotta help up a friend,
Speaker 1: but then uh, losing breaks him out.
Speaker 6: Of Wile Ago.
Speaker 2: But then my question because I also feel like Clark
Speaker 2: was unseexy, John Glover wasn't like looking for him, and
Speaker 2: the only way they found each other was through a
Speaker 2: legitimate prison riot.
Speaker 1: But that was awesome. That was such a great sea.
Speaker 1: Why are you question it?
Speaker 6: I'm not questioning it.
Speaker 2: I'm just like I'm reflecting and like trying to make
Speaker 2: sure I'm fully understanding and appreciating everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was, yeah, yeah it was.
Speaker 4: It was a random pery that I don't know what
Speaker 4: if there wasn't a prison riot, what the plan was
Speaker 4: going to be?
Speaker 6: See that That's where I tripped up.
Speaker 4: Right, But I think their main thought was just like
Speaker 4: tell him there's something wrong with the research, like make
Speaker 4: him panic, get him back here, and then we'll figure it.
Speaker 1: Well, he told him that he had to kill Lionel
Speaker 1: his body. Yeah, so it was like, oh, well, Clark's
Speaker 1: gonna Clark's body. We'll do it this way. Clark's body
Speaker 1: has to find Lionel's body and kill it. But that
Speaker 1: I guess Clark figured that Lionel would use that I'm
Speaker 1: gonna choke you move, which is when a Clark's singers removed.
Speaker 1: So he could do the whole Oh come my underarm.
Speaker 1: I got a crystals.
Speaker 3: When I saw that this time.
Speaker 5: When I was watching this, I was like, Game of
Speaker 5: Thrones took this from Smallville, because that's totally the move.
Speaker 5: Arias Stark used on The Night King spoilers for anybody
Speaker 5: who has not seen.
Speaker 4: It, anyone who still cares.
Speaker 5: Yeah exactly, I know, all right, but that's that's the first
Speaker 5: thing that I thought of. But yeah, you're right, like
Speaker 5: the prison riot thing, it was. This was not like
Speaker 5: a you know, Aero season seven, you know, manufactured prison ride.
Speaker 5: It was just it just kind of happened this time.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was a spontaneous prison right, which is personally how
Speaker 2: I prefer my prison rise.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, keep it loose.
Speaker 1: To the episode's credit, they had set up that Lionel
Speaker 1: was getting in some big fight with some guy later
Speaker 1: on the episode, and so that'll be played into and
Speaker 1: that's and that's why this episode point on my top
Speaker 1: ten list, and it's on Hey you the listeners were
Speaker 1: I think this is the first one that we've had
Speaker 1: that's on my top ten list. I think it is
Speaker 1: so finally, thank you listeners for I agree finally, But
Speaker 1: all the little things like they all they all make sense,
Speaker 1: Like like in season seven or something, I'd be like, yeah, whatever,
Speaker 1: you know reasons you know this one, Like I feel
Speaker 1: like that there's the there's there's payoffs, but there's setups
Speaker 1: to those payoffs that make it all makes sense, right.
Speaker 1: The weakest part to this to me is is the
Speaker 1: resolution where it's like Clark doesn't have amnesia, but Lionel does.
Speaker 1: I think that's a real cop out. I guess they
Speaker 1: didn't want Lionel to have the knowledge of Clark's secret
Speaker 1: at this point, but then when you get down to
Speaker 1: the end of season four, you kind of think he
Speaker 1: knows what's going on. He's a good guy now, so
Speaker 1: maybe he protected him. But ultimately they wanted to do
Speaker 1: that so they can have that scene between Clark and
Speaker 1: Lex saying, oh, we got to help my friend because
Speaker 1: you got to pay off the fact that Clark said
Speaker 1: he was gonna help him. But then it goes nowhere
Speaker 1: because Margot kedderreak him out of jail, So you could
Speaker 1: have just had him both have amnesia.
Speaker 5: Possibly, Yeah, but I do understand what you're saying though
Speaker 5: about the ending that is Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Agree, I do like that they I mean they you know,
Speaker 4: it's a drama, it's a soap opera. They had to
Speaker 4: make Clark have to kind of like apologize for stuff
Speaker 4: he didn't do, you know like that. That's a big
Speaker 4: part of these like under the Influence episodes, right.
Speaker 2: And something I loved about this episode is that, like,
Speaker 2: because this episode is a literal epitome if you weren't
Speaker 2: yourself on the Telly Place.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: My favorite is how like we finally and calls him
Speaker 2: out and she's like, ye, you have you have pulled
Speaker 2: this bullsh Excuse me, You've pulled this enough times, Like
Speaker 2: I am so over this. I'm not falling for this
Speaker 2: act again, Like no, And then I love it how
Speaker 2: she doesn't even come around. She's like, oh good, Lona,
Speaker 2: you yell at him now.
Speaker 1: I think after Red, nobody should have talked to Clark.
Speaker 1: After Rush, nobody should have talked to Clark, and especially
Speaker 1: after this one. This is ridiculous.
Speaker 6: So but I guess, you know, there are a small town.
Speaker 6: There's not a lot of people, so you're.
Speaker 4: Going to run into them eventually, so.
Speaker 6: You got to mend those relationships.
Speaker 2: But one thing I liked about I noticed because we
Speaker 2: were talking in the group chat that you that we
Speaker 2: were joking that, you know, since Zach and Matt had
Speaker 2: already discussed this at length, that they were just gonna
Speaker 2: be talking about like lighting and the sets. But one
Speaker 2: thing I noticed in the costuming is that scene between
Speaker 2: Lex and Sexy Tom Weeling is that they're matchers. They're
Speaker 2: wearing the same like they're dressed literally the interesting like
Speaker 2: the black button up and like the slacks, which I
Speaker 2: thought was very interesting because I remember from my days
Speaker 2: getting the small little DVDs and watching all the commentaries.
Speaker 2: Was one of the things they encountered in Red with
Speaker 2: the costuming of like Red K Clark is that they
Speaker 2: put him in suits and stuff and they were like,
Speaker 2: you know, he really looks like a twenty something year old,
Speaker 2: Like he looks like an adult man. And then like
Speaker 2: they course corrected in Exile where he's kind of like
Speaker 2: in like I used to remember, like the iconic Volcom
Speaker 2: T shirt and they like, so I thought this was like,
Speaker 2: but this is where like making him look more mature
Speaker 2: and like having him match.
Speaker 6: Blex's wardrobe like really narratively worked totally.
Speaker 4: And isn't he when he's when he's getting dressed in
Speaker 4: the barn or in the yeah, the bar. Doesn't he
Speaker 4: have a purple button down too, which is very very loose.
Speaker 1: It's kind of it's a Lilac Nobody's kakies And that's
Speaker 1: a big departure with the khakis. Yeah, that was an
Speaker 1: interesting choice for him. But yeah, I just yeah, and
Speaker 1: that scene when he shows up in the prison and
Speaker 1: kind of like shows himselves off. He's like, what do
Speaker 1: you think, like if that's Arrari, that's exactly what he
Speaker 1: would do, just to just to show it off. What
Speaker 1: did you think of Margot Kidder popping them at the end,
Speaker 1: taking that crystal?
Speaker 2: It's heartbreaking because I want more. I just I was
Speaker 2: so excited when she came back because like the first
Speaker 2: episode of Smallville I ever truly watched, like Live to
Speaker 2: Air properly on the seat on the the CW. Still
Speaker 2: the WB was Crusade, so like I like got to
Speaker 2: meet Lois and like meet older Lois and it was like,
Speaker 2: this is weird, like Lois connection to like how I
Speaker 2: was introduced to Smallville. So I remember being so excited
Speaker 2: when she came back. It was like I know her,
Speaker 2: I know her, just my friend. Yeah, And then like
Speaker 2: knowing that didn't go anywhere, like knowing now that no
Speaker 2: More was to be his heartbreaking because it would have
Speaker 2: been so cool. I have my I can I get
Speaker 2: like really real and vulnerable right now. I have my
Speaker 2: own like head cannon where Bridgett and doctor Swann married,
Speaker 2: and I hate that Dean Kine was a freak of
Speaker 2: the week. He is their son and he runs Virgil
Speaker 2: Swan's operation. So look for that fan pic coming to
Speaker 2: archive of your own never.
Speaker 1: I would happily release that as a Patreon exclusive for.
Speaker 2: Don't make offers You're not willing to make good on
Speaker 2: more because.
Speaker 1: It's been fortunate about season four because they had major problems,
Speaker 1: right they had Christopher Reeve was supposed to play the
Speaker 1: big part and he died, and then Margot Kidder was
Speaker 1: gonna replace him, and then she felt uncomfortable about doing it,
Speaker 1: and I totally get it. Yeah, that was her friend
Speaker 1: for decades and it felt awkward. I'm not gonna I
Speaker 1: mean it would she would have come back, but I
Speaker 1: understand why she wouldn't. And then good Jane Seymore in
Speaker 1: here and that's why they ended up doing you think,
Speaker 1: oh good more to come from bridget cross because that's
Speaker 1: a tease. Now she has a crystal and then they
Speaker 1: have to wait all the way down to uh to
Speaker 1: Spirit actually when it's like, here's a leg in a
Speaker 1: pile of dirt and that was her after driver's license
Speaker 1: Jason Gilder and has the stone nowt Yahoo.
Speaker 3: I loved when Sexy Tom.
Speaker 5: Is yeah, I just got to go with it.
Speaker 3: We just got to go with it.
Speaker 5: When he talks to the Kents the first time, like
Speaker 5: it's like, I love how nonchalant the Kents are about
Speaker 5: Clark's abilities and it's just so funny, like how at
Speaker 5: this point in the show, like it doesn't phase them
Speaker 5: to ask Clark to lift up the tractor or put
Speaker 5: out a fire with his hands, Like they're just like
Speaker 5: it's just it's just everyday stuff. And to like Sexy Clark,
Speaker 5: he's seeing this for the first time, he's like eyes
Speaker 5: wide open, like in wonderment at these things that Superman
Speaker 5: can do, things that we obviously can't, and so to
Speaker 5: us it's like the most amazing thing. But the Kents
Speaker 5: like they've been there, done that before, and it's just
Speaker 5: so funny how they treated him. There's like Clark, he's
Speaker 5: like I'm not five to four, lifted up higher so
Speaker 5: I can get under there, and he's like, it's hilarious. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I know, exactly, putting up fire exactly. Yeah, so good.
Speaker 6: It is so good.
Speaker 1: I'm glad that they didn't try this again. We would
Speaker 1: have deluded this one. But this one stands apart because
Speaker 1: it's so unique of all the like if they didn't
Speaker 1: even if they did something like, I mean, they had
Speaker 1: an episode Wherelana got Clark's powers, but they didn't like
Speaker 1: switch bodies or you know, I mean, the closest thing
Speaker 1: they ever did to this was in Hex. Chloe kind
Speaker 1: of wishes she was Lois. There's again some kind of
Speaker 1: meta commentary and Eric and heran she goes up to
Speaker 1: she goes up to the verge. She says, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm Lois. She says it. She says it just like
Speaker 1: Alice and Mack would have, so you have you know
Speaker 1: what I think about it. That wasn't a true swap,
Speaker 1: but you just because I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 1: what Lois herself was supposed to doing that episode, but
Speaker 1: she's off one assignment, perhaps in Africa, talking to Hawkman.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but they have but there's no because
Speaker 1: there should be seen was like two Lois is there,
Speaker 1: you know, but there's not because they didn't switch. They
Speaker 1: just as the time of turned in.
Speaker 6: It was a transformation.
Speaker 1: There. He goes, very good, Victoria, very good. They could
Speaker 1: have easily done some like Chloe and Laana switch bodies,
Speaker 1: and Chloe feels those what it feels like to have
Speaker 1: Clark like or and Wana finally understands a tough life
Speaker 1: club like they could have gone. They could have gone
Speaker 1: down this road and they didn't. And I'm very I'm
Speaker 1: very happy. But yeah, I mean, this is uh, this
Speaker 1: is a great episode of some great stuff in here,
Speaker 1: especially at the end when when Clark and Lex apologize.
Speaker 1: I think that's what I mentioned, Like Lance and I
Speaker 1: have all these in jokes or something. It's so funny
Speaker 1: think that Clark and Lance, Clark and Lance Lewis life
Speaker 1: is mixing for me. I'm sorry, crossing the streams the
Speaker 1: Clark and Lex. You guys think this. My best friend's
Speaker 1: name is Lance. Last year, Clark's best friend name is
Speaker 1: Lex Luthor.
Speaker 3: All right, two L's man.
Speaker 4: But when when.
Speaker 1: Clark comes to see Lex at the end, he Lex
Speaker 1: pulls a gun on me, and he'sa like, what does your
Speaker 1: dad tell me?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: I hate you with the car? What do we always
Speaker 1: joke out after the question, just demanding to know this
Speaker 1: in joke. It's just so funny.
Speaker 3: It's almost as good as Whitney's. You know what is
Speaker 3: my favor radio station.
Speaker 1: It's the emotional outbursts on the show, or or just
Speaker 1: they come out of nowhere, or always funny.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Probably nobody else cares about this is Zach.
Speaker 4: Does that four barreled gun ever show up again?
Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna keep an eye for because it's
Speaker 1: really cool, Like I don't know a gun, which I'm
Speaker 1: from Texas and I don't own a gun, so I know, shocking.
Speaker 1: You're not a favorite Texas But okay, if I ever did,
Speaker 1: I would like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, please, I don't recall X.
Speaker 1: He always has some like generic like giant silver gun. Right,
Speaker 1: I don't even know what they're called. Right, So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna keep an eye on for that four bell gun.
Speaker 1: But but it's but but why would you have a
Speaker 1: four barrel gun? This is fire all four at the
Speaker 1: same time, at least.
Speaker 4: The only time I've ever seen it before, I think
Speaker 4: is the second tomb Raider movie, which is not worth it.
Speaker 4: But like, I don't think he had like underwater spear
Speaker 4: guns with him, so I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: W B released the tomb Raider movies. No, I think
Speaker 1: it was Paramount. No, No, I think it was Paramount.
Speaker 4: I think Paramount.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, if it's some random props sitting around,
Speaker 1: he just decided to use a terminator three footage two
Speaker 1: Rader props, you know, So you're right, Victoria, I think
Speaker 1: because we're so used to him playing it one way,
Speaker 1: to see him playing a different way, He's why I
Speaker 1: like it so much. And well, and you know, he's
Speaker 1: a better actor than people give him credit for, or
Speaker 1: at least a better imitator than people give him credit for.
Speaker 6: I agree that I loved Matt's point. It wasn't an impression.
Speaker 2: He was legitimately, like I love how you said it,
Speaker 2: wearing the skin he was he was.
Speaker 5: He has far more talent than he gets than he
Speaker 5: gets credit for. I think he gets a bad rap
Speaker 5: with with some of his actings sometimes, and this kind
Speaker 5: of proves his shops.
Speaker 4: Is he good on Lucifer? This is the only thing
Speaker 4: I've ever seen him.
Speaker 1: I was a little disappointed.
Speaker 2: I think Lucifer doesn't give him an opportunity to shine.
Speaker 6: That's I've only watched a couple episodes.
Speaker 4: How about silver lining right there?
Speaker 1: Thank you well, Victoria. Was it from the first half
Speaker 1: of that season on.
Speaker 6: The second That's all I got true.
Speaker 1: I actually I skipped around after the first half, to
Speaker 1: be honest. But he's playing a boring character the first
Speaker 1: half loosier because there's a twist about his identity and religious.
Speaker 4: Is he a monster or something.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna spoil it for you, everyone, go ahead. He's
Speaker 1: Kane who Caine killed Abel in the Bible?
Speaker 6: Okay, I think he just kind my interest in Lucifer.
Speaker 1: So he's immortal. Like there's a great scene. There's a
Speaker 1: great scene in the in the mid season finale of
Speaker 1: that season of season three Lucifer where Lucifer kills him
Speaker 1: and he's expecting him. He he thinks he's Kane and
Speaker 1: he kills him. He stabs in the heart and he
Speaker 1: just lays there for a while. They stay on it
Speaker 1: just long enough you think, oh, maybe he's wrong, maybe
Speaker 1: he just killed Tom Wellings, maybe maybe he's just a cop.
Speaker 1: But then he like does the whole like wake up,
Speaker 1: you know, with the big breath les the knife out
Speaker 1: of his chest, and then there's there's a little subplot
Speaker 1: well obviously throughout the rest of the season, but it's
Speaker 1: a love triangle between Lucifer his partner detective love interest,
Speaker 1: and Tom Welling's character the rest of the season, which
Speaker 1: is kind of is so But anyway, I one hundred
Speaker 1: percent agree with the Victoria I watched. I was like,
Speaker 1: this is Tom Willing's return to television. Is disappointing because
Speaker 1: he's playing this Mooring character. But that was kind of
Speaker 1: the point.
Speaker 2: Can I just say that I went and saw The
Speaker 2: Fog in theaters and it was such a big deal
Speaker 2: for me because I was like a teeny bopper and
Speaker 2: I was afraid of horror movies.
Speaker 6: But I watched it for Tom and I. It was on.
Speaker 2: Netflix like a year ago, and I was like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, let's do a TBT.
Speaker 6: Let's turn on the Fog.
Speaker 2: I couldn't get it is horrendous. Like I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: let's just fast forward to the shower scene and then
Speaker 2: like turn it off.
Speaker 1: See as much as Victoria loves Tom Willing, it has been
Speaker 1: well established here. She can't get through Lucifer. She can't
Speaker 1: get through the Fox. She's artistic standards. I respect Everytory,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. But yes, we saw in the
Speaker 1: theater as well, and as as as we the story.
Speaker 1: We told him many times. We have some group of
Speaker 1: friends and another one of our friends got a phone
Speaker 1: call and they asked what we were doing. And our
Speaker 1: friends says, oh, I'm seeing the fog. And the other
Speaker 1: person said, well, how was it? And our friend said,
Speaker 1: the fog is bullsh don't go see the fog, And
Speaker 1: he was one hundred percent right. That was so disappointing,
Speaker 1: and a remake of a pretty creepy effect of Tom
Speaker 1: Tom Carpenter listening John Carpenter movie from that.
Speaker 4: I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, John Carpenter's the fog.
Speaker 3: When the fog rolls.
Speaker 4: In, what's from it?
Speaker 6: Keeps seeing horrible things happening.
Speaker 3: Something from the.
Speaker 5: Past will return, somebody I in the tone of Antonio Bay.
Speaker 3: Get off the island.
Speaker 6: Why just go?
Speaker 3: We'll pay for it, sin.
Speaker 4: Sir, Where did that come from? Anybody there?
Speaker 3: The fog? Grady, PG.
Speaker 4: Thirteen, Smallville, the complete fourth season. No matter how bad
Speaker 4: you want to, just can't save everyone.
Speaker 2: But it doesn't stop you from chime while you know.
Speaker 4: On DVD September thirteen. Yeah, Yes, skip to the good stuff.
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Speaker 1: All Right, I hope I'll all enjoyed our discussion on Transference.
Speaker 1: This might have been outside of the pilot. This might
Speaker 1: have been the most positive and in line with each other.
Speaker 1: We all were about Transference. Even though it wasn't on
Speaker 1: everyone's top ten list, it was on mind. We all
Speaker 1: recognized it was a great episode and it deserved to
Speaker 1: be here in the top ten. Now. I have been
Speaker 1: critical over the years, both here and on the podcast Proper,
Speaker 1: about John Glover's performance as Clark, and you know what
Speaker 1: I have I have warmed even to that. So one
Speaker 1: of the few flaws of this episode I used to identify,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a flaw anymore. I think if
Speaker 1: you watch John Glover's scenes and try to transpose Tom
Speaker 1: Welling into them. I can see it now, I can't
Speaker 1: especially at the end of the prison riot where he says,
Speaker 1: what happened to concealing your powers? I could totally see
Speaker 1: Tom delivering the lion that way in that situation. Also
Speaker 1: when he's talking to Edgar and the jail cell and
Speaker 1: he's just taking it all in, as Clark often did
Speaker 1: when people were monologuing to him about things. I can
Speaker 1: see it now. I do think the still the You're
Speaker 1: especial little boy, the breakdown thing might be a little
Speaker 1: too childish, But look at other scenes where Clarke hasays
Speaker 1: a lot of emotional distress, Like I think about the
Speaker 1: scene and hereafter when Jonathan collapses in the bar and
Speaker 1: he's like mom, mom right or in uh in commencement
Speaker 1: when he's talking to Joel and Joel's like you most
Speaker 1: fucking the three crystals, He's like, I don't know where
Speaker 1: they are. I don't know where to start to look
Speaker 1: for them. And I think that energy there it does work.
Speaker 1: So I am going to walk back my criticism of
Speaker 1: John Glover again the best actor on the show, and
Speaker 1: to speak to Victoria's proposed fan fiction about the Swan Foundation.
Speaker 1: In my head, Kenned, Patricia Swan is definitely the daughter
Speaker 1: of Virgil Swan and Bridget Crosby. Of course, they all
Speaker 1: end up deceased by the end of Smavel's run, so tragic,
Speaker 1: but I do wish they had done more with legacy
Speaker 1: casting and that family legacy over the course of the show,
Speaker 1: as she had suggested her fan fiction. And if I'm
Speaker 1: not mistaken, the Smallville season eleven comics, which you know
Speaker 1: y'all have heard my hot takes on those comics and
Speaker 1: their canonicity. But I believe Star Labs in those comics
Speaker 1: the S stands for Swan Swan Technology and Research Labs,
Speaker 1: I believe. So if not, that's something I saw on
Speaker 1: a message board once and thought that was the coolest idea.
Speaker 1: So I'll have to go pull those out and see
Speaker 1: if that's the case. So the legacy of the Swan
Speaker 1: family lives on, even if the Swan family themselves do not.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything that contradicts Patricia Swan being
Speaker 1: the daughter of Virgil and Bridget. Nothing is confirmed on screen,
Speaker 1: but obviously she's doctor Swan's daughter and a lifetime ago,
Speaker 1: him and Bridget Crosby had a love affairs. So we're
Speaker 1: just gonna say Patricia Swan is their daughter. And as
Speaker 1: I've been doing throughout the top ten episodes keeping track
Speaker 1: of bangers, needle drops musical hits, we have been three
Speaker 1: for three or four for four guests. We are because
Speaker 1: of Jimmy Eat World's pain. What a needle drop during
Speaker 1: the prison riot. Just such a great scene with so
Speaker 1: many extras and so much action going on, and it's
Speaker 1: really elevated even more by the musical choice and takes
Speaker 1: my pain away like it's such a great song. It
Speaker 1: fits so well. Just the energy matches everything that's going on,
Speaker 1: the chaotic scene and Clark and Lionel finding each other
Speaker 1: in the crowd, you know, just Lionel less Clark, that
Speaker 1: shot of him walking by the window of the slow mode.
Speaker 1: It's just you so effectively. Jimmy Eat World another group
Speaker 1: that had multiple songs on Smallville, so truly part of
Speaker 1: the soundtrack of Smallville and the soundtrack of mine in
Speaker 1: so many of our lives over the years. Right, so
Speaker 1: good to have that street keep going here. Four episodes
Speaker 1: into the top ten. All right again, I hope you
Speaker 1: all enjoyed our conversation. Stay tuned next week to find
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