WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.440 --> 00:00:01.280 I'm John Glover. 2 00:00:01.919 --> 00:00:06.519 I was Lionel Luther on a Smallville and I will 3 00:00:06.759 --> 00:00:11.279 always always hold on to Smallville and I hope you 4 00:00:11.359 --> 00:00:11.679 all do. 5 00:00:11.800 --> 00:01:00.000 Two. Welcome to Always hold on to Smallville. In this podcast, 6 00:01:00.200 --> 00:01:02.520 we've talked about each in every episode of the Yolk 7 00:01:02.560 --> 00:01:04.879 Superman Show that ram from two thousand and one to 8 00:01:04.879 --> 00:01:09.400 twenty eleven on the WB and the CW. I'm your host, 9 00:01:09.480 --> 00:01:12.799 Sach Moore, and we're back with another Top ten episodes. 10 00:01:12.879 --> 00:01:16.359 That's right, the top ten episodes of Smallville as voted 11 00:01:16.400 --> 00:01:22.480 by you, the listeners, and this time the number seven entry, Transference. 12 00:01:23.719 --> 00:01:27.719 That's right. Traditionally Tom Wellings favorite episode of the show 13 00:01:28.719 --> 00:01:31.519 since Talkville. I'm not sure if his opinion has changed. 14 00:01:31.599 --> 00:01:33.439 I feel like you know, back in the day, this 15 00:01:33.519 --> 00:01:36.439 is one of the episodes that stuck out to him 16 00:01:36.439 --> 00:01:39.040 and he was most familiar with. Other than saying the pilot, 17 00:01:39.079 --> 00:01:43.400 he would say Transference was his favorite episode. And you've 18 00:01:43.400 --> 00:01:46.400 heard me talk about it before or after, and always 19 00:01:46.400 --> 00:01:50.239 will to me. This is Tom Wellings' finest acting performance 20 00:01:50.400 --> 00:01:53.359 on Smallville. He has some excellent scenes over the course 21 00:01:53.359 --> 00:01:57.319 of the series, but for an individual episode, this has 22 00:01:57.359 --> 00:02:00.840 got to be his highlight. The way he embodied John Glover, 23 00:02:00.920 --> 00:02:03.799 who we knew so well for watching over three seasons 24 00:02:03.840 --> 00:02:06.560 on the show, and he just captured that. And it's 25 00:02:06.599 --> 00:02:10.840 just such a magnetic performance. And obviously there's so many 26 00:02:10.919 --> 00:02:14.719 layers to it, right the writing, the directing, John Glover 27 00:02:15.319 --> 00:02:19.199 walk through the scenes before welling perform the scenes on camera, 28 00:02:19.360 --> 00:02:22.919 so he was just able to channel the great John Lover, 29 00:02:23.080 --> 00:02:28.039 the greatest actor on Smallville. I'm always struggling with how 30 00:02:28.039 --> 00:02:31.039 many season four episodes should I put on my own 31 00:02:31.080 --> 00:02:35.120 personal top ten list? You know, this particular time, Transference 32 00:02:35.159 --> 00:02:38.199 made the cut. Other times I don't know. I cycle through. 33 00:02:38.479 --> 00:02:40.199 It's a Transference, is it Onyx? 34 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:40.800 Is it Run? 35 00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:43.280 What is the best episode of season four? And in 36 00:02:43.360 --> 00:02:45.759 good conscience, I can't put more than one season four 37 00:02:45.800 --> 00:02:48.599 episode on my top ten list. Maybe that's silly. I 38 00:02:48.680 --> 00:02:50.520 need to break through that at some point, if you 39 00:02:50.599 --> 00:02:52.879 ask me at a different point in time, maybe these 40 00:02:52.879 --> 00:02:56.680 season four episodes will start breaking through, because truly, Transference 41 00:02:57.199 --> 00:02:59.479 and Run and Onyx are some of the best of 42 00:02:59.520 --> 00:03:02.639 the best the series, and they're in season four, so 43 00:03:04.199 --> 00:03:05.840 you know, in a good day, maybe all three of 44 00:03:05.840 --> 00:03:08.479 those could be on the top ten list. But today 45 00:03:08.520 --> 00:03:14.039 it's Transference, and this is an episode that is almost perfect. 46 00:03:14.680 --> 00:03:16.520 You know, you'll hear us talk about it, obviously, but 47 00:03:17.039 --> 00:03:19.240 a couple of things that got it cleaned up, especially 48 00:03:19.280 --> 00:03:24.080 with Clark remembers what happened, but Lionel doesn't. Kind of 49 00:03:24.080 --> 00:03:31.560 convenient right, Clark's soul healing, Lionel's sickness, Like, is that 50 00:03:31.639 --> 00:03:35.599 what happened there? I don't know. But regardless, this isn't 51 00:03:35.599 --> 00:03:40.400 an all time entertaining episode of the show. And yeah, 52 00:03:40.439 --> 00:03:42.759 there's a reason why this is on the top ten list. 53 00:03:42.800 --> 00:03:45.800 I voted for it on mine, and the listeners voted 54 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:49.599 for it on there. So it is refreshing to talk 55 00:03:49.639 --> 00:03:54.520 about an episode that's not a premiere or finale. Those conversations, 56 00:03:54.719 --> 00:03:57.080 you know, they were for a double episode in the 57 00:03:57.120 --> 00:03:59.479 case of the finale, the first episode, which is a 58 00:03:59.520 --> 00:04:01.599 little longer in the case of the pilot. Now we're 59 00:04:01.599 --> 00:04:05.400 into just standard episodes of Smallville, so the length of 60 00:04:05.439 --> 00:04:08.520 these may vary. But before we get into it here, 61 00:04:08.759 --> 00:04:11.439 let's look back on what we gave Transference on the 62 00:04:11.520 --> 00:04:16.560 letter grade scale. On the podcast Proper Transference had myself 63 00:04:16.639 --> 00:04:21.480 and Matt Trux. I gave Transference an A and Matt 64 00:04:21.519 --> 00:04:26.720 gave Transference of B plus. So obviously Matt and I 65 00:04:26.879 --> 00:04:29.959 had already talked about this episode in depth on the 66 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:34.319 podcast Profer, but I am again joined by Lance Laster 67 00:04:34.519 --> 00:04:39.199 from Always oldunt Arrow, Victoria Malay, and Matt Trux from 68 00:04:39.240 --> 00:04:42.879 Loewis and Clark, the new podcast of Superman and Mini 69 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:45.839 Always hold On to podcasts on the network and on 70 00:04:46.040 --> 00:04:51.199 the Patreon. So, without further ado, let's discuss the number 71 00:04:51.199 --> 00:04:54.399 seven episode of Smallville Transference on. 72 00:04:54.439 --> 00:04:57.040 The WB Wednesday. 73 00:04:59.000 --> 00:05:02.600 Something hasn't you I remember you think of Scott Drenklin. 74 00:05:02.800 --> 00:05:04.480 You're right, You're absolutely right. 75 00:05:04.519 --> 00:05:10.240 I'm not myself knows the truth. 76 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:20.120 It's name, it's Ark. This is Lionel Luther, Precious small Villa. 77 00:05:20.360 --> 00:05:24.560 On the WB Wednesday. 78 00:05:26.639 --> 00:05:31.639 Transference. We're back to doing like a normal episode because 79 00:05:31.639 --> 00:05:33.519 the last two episodes we did the finale of the 80 00:05:33.519 --> 00:05:36.000 show and the pilot of the show, and it's kind 81 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:37.879 of intimating to talk about in this format. We got 82 00:05:37.920 --> 00:05:40.240 several people, We're talking all kinds of things. The conversation 83 00:05:40.360 --> 00:05:42.279 goes to, oh, well, you know they cast so and so, 84 00:05:42.399 --> 00:05:44.120 and oh, I can't believe they wrapped it up this way. 85 00:05:44.240 --> 00:05:46.240 This is like Okay, this is just an episode of 86 00:05:46.279 --> 00:05:49.000 the show that's really good and we're going to discuss it, 87 00:05:49.240 --> 00:05:52.199 and let's ask was it on your top ten list? Lance? 88 00:05:52.720 --> 00:05:54.759 No, it's a great episode. It's a highlight. 89 00:05:54.839 --> 00:05:56.800 It didn't make my top ten, but it is definitely 90 00:05:56.839 --> 00:05:58.639 a highlight of the season, Victoria. 91 00:05:58.720 --> 00:05:59.959 Was it on your top ten list? 92 00:06:00.759 --> 00:06:01.279 Probably not. 93 00:06:02.279 --> 00:06:04.680 I don't have my list on me, but I definitely 94 00:06:04.720 --> 00:06:06.560 feel like it should have been up there. And I 95 00:06:06.600 --> 00:06:09.199 was very intimidated by making this list process because I 96 00:06:09.240 --> 00:06:12.519 was very worried that I would leave stuff like this 97 00:06:12.560 --> 00:06:13.319 episode off. 98 00:06:13.600 --> 00:06:14.879 This is one of my favorite. 99 00:06:14.600 --> 00:06:17.959 Episodes, Matt Trux. Is it in your top ten list? 100 00:06:18.279 --> 00:06:18.319 It? 101 00:06:18.600 --> 00:06:20.399 I literally just got to it. It is not in 102 00:06:20.439 --> 00:06:21.560 my top ten list, No. 103 00:06:22.680 --> 00:06:24.160 It's in mine, but it's good. 104 00:06:24.319 --> 00:06:26.000 It's a good episode, don't get me wrong. 105 00:06:26.199 --> 00:06:28.360 Yeah, to be fair to all y'all, I meant to 106 00:06:28.360 --> 00:06:30.079 pull up the top ten list and see, but I 107 00:06:30.319 --> 00:06:32.040 just I just didn't. So next time I will, and 108 00:06:32.079 --> 00:06:36.480 we'll we'll have all the answers. This is one of 109 00:06:36.519 --> 00:06:38.279 the back when I hated season four, I was like, 110 00:06:38.319 --> 00:06:40.920 there's like three good episodes and season four is transference 111 00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:43.079 running on X and screw the rest off them terrible, 112 00:06:43.759 --> 00:06:45.720 still not as good as the first three, but a 113 00:06:45.759 --> 00:06:51.079 solid season nonetheless, And this is really a highlight of well, 114 00:06:51.120 --> 00:06:54.040 not okay, Matt, not a solid season. It's not perfect. 115 00:06:54.959 --> 00:06:59.319 Come man, you know you can't be positive anymore. People 116 00:06:59.319 --> 00:07:01.600 get on you. So it's as bad. 117 00:07:01.639 --> 00:07:04.360 It's a positivity that the season inspired. It's nice to. 118 00:07:04.360 --> 00:07:07.560 Say, did what do you guys think about transfer Lance? 119 00:07:07.560 --> 00:07:08.079 I'll start with you. 120 00:07:08.560 --> 00:07:10.959 I remember it being a really good episode. It still 121 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:13.399 is a good episode. It still holds up. You know, 122 00:07:13.399 --> 00:07:15.399 there's a couple of takeaways, but like for right now, 123 00:07:15.439 --> 00:07:17.360 just right off the bat, there's a lot happening in 124 00:07:17.399 --> 00:07:19.240 this episode. There's like a lot of stuff going on. 125 00:07:19.480 --> 00:07:21.920 I was impressed by that, like they you know, managed 126 00:07:21.959 --> 00:07:24.519 to take on a lot of things in an already 127 00:07:24.560 --> 00:07:27.199 kind of packed season, especially at that point in the season, 128 00:07:27.480 --> 00:07:28.639 the early third. 129 00:07:28.720 --> 00:07:31.639 I guess, all right, Tory, what about you? 130 00:07:32.279 --> 00:07:35.560 It's very interesting, I think because I remember I watched 131 00:07:35.759 --> 00:07:38.600 small Velle at such an impressionable age, so I was like, oh, 132 00:07:38.639 --> 00:07:39.160 this is great. 133 00:07:39.199 --> 00:07:41.360 This is the peak of acting and it's amazing. 134 00:07:42.160 --> 00:07:45.519 But I think the thing rewatching it is just how 135 00:07:45.560 --> 00:07:49.079 well it has held up, like even now as someone 136 00:07:49.079 --> 00:07:52.079 who's matured and knows a lot more about filmmaking and 137 00:07:52.199 --> 00:07:55.399 just how it's led to a deeper appreciation of just. 138 00:07:55.399 --> 00:07:57.360 How well they nailed it. 139 00:07:57.720 --> 00:08:00.279 Also, when I was watching it again, I had big 140 00:08:00.319 --> 00:08:04.040 appreciation for this is such a tropey trope the body switch, 141 00:08:04.160 --> 00:08:07.399 and it's it's a trope I honestly hate, but they 142 00:08:07.439 --> 00:08:09.680 did it so well and I have to give them 143 00:08:09.720 --> 00:08:13.480 so many hats off for really adjusting it well to 144 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:16.000 the show. I think we've talked about this on the 145 00:08:16.040 --> 00:08:20.199 podcast proper before, like small though, for all of its flaws, 146 00:08:20.839 --> 00:08:24.399 when sometimes they're just really good or in my opinion, 147 00:08:24.480 --> 00:08:27.439 at taking like a trope or taking like something a 148 00:08:27.480 --> 00:08:30.720 cliche and tailoring it to the show so it doesn't 149 00:08:30.759 --> 00:08:34.919 feel as stale. And I finally remembered what because I 150 00:08:34.919 --> 00:08:36.840 was trying to think of this earlier, what I was 151 00:08:37.200 --> 00:08:39.879 originally referencing. It's like when they did the teen sex 152 00:08:40.440 --> 00:08:45.080 PSA in Unsafe. I personally thought, I know, Zach will 153 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:47.399 probably not agree with me, and maybe Lance won either 154 00:08:48.240 --> 00:08:50.480 or Matt, but I thought they did a good job 155 00:08:50.519 --> 00:08:52.879 at at least tailoring that kind of like trope and 156 00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:55.679 that PSA really well into like the progression of the 157 00:08:55.720 --> 00:08:57.919 show in that episode, and I think that's this was 158 00:08:57.960 --> 00:09:01.519 another instance where they took something that's like very like 159 00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:05.399 very overused in modern storytelling and did a really good 160 00:09:05.519 --> 00:09:10.240 job at making it small Ville specific and just really 161 00:09:10.240 --> 00:09:11.000 stick in the landing. 162 00:09:11.480 --> 00:09:14.600 Sex is too important not to talk about. Now's the 163 00:09:14.639 --> 00:09:16.759 time to get the right answers and to make the 164 00:09:16.840 --> 00:09:20.320 right decisions, whether you're a parent or a teen. Find 165 00:09:20.320 --> 00:09:24.399 out more at www dot teen pregnancy dot org. 166 00:09:26.919 --> 00:09:30.080 Matt, what about you, man, what are your thoughts on transference? 167 00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:32.360 The trope of it is so well done? What you 168 00:09:32.399 --> 00:09:34.480 just said, Victoria, Yeah, so I was thinking about a 169 00:09:34.480 --> 00:09:38.039 lot of different like bodies switch episodes, you know, And 170 00:09:38.120 --> 00:09:41.759 my personal favorite is a Buffy season four episode weirdly enough, 171 00:09:42.120 --> 00:09:46.320 but this one is a close second because there's plot 172 00:09:46.360 --> 00:09:48.480 in this episode. Obviously, we have to learn about stones 173 00:09:48.519 --> 00:09:50.639 and blah blah blah and how's it going to transference 174 00:09:50.639 --> 00:09:54.399 and all that, But the biggest, like the most memorable 175 00:09:54.440 --> 00:09:57.120 parts of it and where they put the meat of 176 00:09:57.159 --> 00:10:00.759 the episode are these character moments. Are seeing the reverses 177 00:10:00.840 --> 00:10:04.440 of the relationships with everybody in both of these guys' lives. 178 00:10:04.679 --> 00:10:08.840 Mostly as with tom Welling with Clark or Lionel Clark 179 00:10:08.879 --> 00:10:11.159 whatever we're going to call him tonight, and a little 180 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:13.799 bit with Lionel. But just seeing those interactions and those 181 00:10:13.879 --> 00:10:16.639 character beating after character beating after character beat, he interacts 182 00:10:16.679 --> 00:10:18.799 with the whole main cast in a very different way, 183 00:10:18.840 --> 00:10:20.039 and that makes it compelling. 184 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:23.440 I also think it was so interesting because I feel 185 00:10:23.440 --> 00:10:26.600 like maybe the first impulse was to have Clark and 186 00:10:26.679 --> 00:10:29.960 Lex and I'm really happy they I don't know, this 187 00:10:30.120 --> 00:10:33.360 is me just writing real person Smallville fanfic for the writers, 188 00:10:33.960 --> 00:10:37.799 but like I think it was, having Clark and Lionel 189 00:10:38.279 --> 00:10:40.960 was also just so compelling and interesting, and I'm really 190 00:10:40.960 --> 00:10:42.440 glad they chose those characters. 191 00:10:43.919 --> 00:10:45.799 That's a great point. I feel like if they hadn't 192 00:10:45.840 --> 00:10:48.559 done this episode in season four, when they got to 193 00:10:48.639 --> 00:10:50.480 like season seven, they would have done a hey what 194 00:10:50.519 --> 00:10:52.799 if Clark and Lex which bodies episode? And of course 195 00:10:52.840 --> 00:10:54.840 he would have had an amnesia and they would have 196 00:10:56.879 --> 00:10:59.799 yeah who, and then a lot of situation there with 197 00:10:59.840 --> 00:11:02.799 those guys. So this was the really this was a 198 00:11:02.840 --> 00:11:05.320 really good time for the buddy swap, and y'all have 199 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:09.320 mentioned all the characters he interacts with. Honestly, my favorite one. 200 00:11:09.519 --> 00:11:11.840 I don't know. They're all so good. They're all so good. 201 00:11:12.960 --> 00:11:15.320 A true laugh out loud moment. No, no, no, it's it's 202 00:11:15.360 --> 00:11:16.320 not the Lana one, Matt. 203 00:11:16.639 --> 00:11:16.799 No. 204 00:11:17.039 --> 00:11:21.240 That was when he's talking to Jason Tigue and he's like, 205 00:11:21.919 --> 00:11:23.320 you're looking at me like you have no idea who 206 00:11:23.320 --> 00:11:25.360 I am. He's like, yeah, sure I do. You're a coach. 207 00:11:25.480 --> 00:11:28.399 And because he's wearing a coach or a jacket, that 208 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:31.279 is the This is the funniest moment in the episode. 209 00:11:31.320 --> 00:11:32.639 I think, well, yeah, well that one. 210 00:11:32.720 --> 00:11:34.759 And then the second time he talks to Jason when 211 00:11:34.799 --> 00:11:38.159 he catches he and Lana, and with his last words 212 00:11:38.240 --> 00:11:40.279 is just like he's like, all right, then coach something 213 00:11:40.360 --> 00:11:42.240 like to that effect, and like he said, and just 214 00:11:42.279 --> 00:11:44.519 the way he says coach again, it's just like Liono 215 00:11:44.559 --> 00:11:46.840 probably at this point in the show probably doesn't even 216 00:11:46.879 --> 00:11:48.320 know this dude's name, which I know. 217 00:11:48.480 --> 00:11:50.000 That's what I that's what I read into it. 218 00:11:50.000 --> 00:11:51.679 I was like, that's hilarious, Like he knows he's his 219 00:11:51.720 --> 00:11:53.480 coach and he's just gonna say it a certain way, 220 00:11:53.639 --> 00:11:55.080 like a Lionel way, and it's hilarious. 221 00:11:55.159 --> 00:11:57.600 Yep, they didn't meet at those Veritas meanings like ten 222 00:11:57.679 --> 00:12:00.200 years ago and hanging out at Doctor Swans how so 223 00:12:00.279 --> 00:12:01.240 I'm sure he's grown. 224 00:12:01.039 --> 00:12:02.679 Up so much, really recognize him. 225 00:12:02.960 --> 00:12:04.639 I thought you were going to say the mom hug, 226 00:12:04.759 --> 00:12:07.039 the Martha hug, which is just. 227 00:12:09.240 --> 00:12:12.639 They're all so so edible, so fun. 228 00:12:12.720 --> 00:12:14.240 Yeah, and the best. 229 00:12:13.960 --> 00:12:16.440 Way though, you know, the Lionel having a crush on 230 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:19.000 Martha thing is one of my favorite things in this show, 231 00:12:19.080 --> 00:12:21.399 Like he knows, and it's like it just cracks me 232 00:12:21.480 --> 00:12:23.639 up because it's been there since the beginning, and like, 233 00:12:23.679 --> 00:12:25.720 I love how it's just this nice little through line 234 00:12:25.759 --> 00:12:28.480 throughout the entire show that Lionel has a thing for Martha, 235 00:12:28.679 --> 00:12:30.919 and it just like it manifested in this episode the 236 00:12:30.919 --> 00:12:33.960 the craepiest way possible, for sure, I think. 237 00:12:34.000 --> 00:12:36.879 I also love my favorite moment is the this one 238 00:12:36.960 --> 00:12:40.559 moment with because we were all thinking it and then 239 00:12:40.679 --> 00:12:44.519 it was like hallolu, soone finally said it. And then 240 00:12:44.600 --> 00:12:48.039 also I rewatching. I thought the Chloe scene was so interesting, 241 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:50.559 like the Chloe one. I know, like we all like 242 00:12:50.600 --> 00:12:52.080 the theme of the show is like Loe has to 243 00:12:52.080 --> 00:12:56.039 be psychologically tortured, but that was such an interesting thing 244 00:12:56.120 --> 00:12:58.759 between like welling at the top of his game, acting 245 00:12:58.799 --> 00:13:01.200 wise and like al and bringing her. 246 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:02.759 Best per usu. 247 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:05.399 There was like the tension there was so interesting, and 248 00:13:05.759 --> 00:13:07.720 I was like trying to remember what it would have 249 00:13:07.759 --> 00:13:10.559 been like watching it without knowing what was happening, and 250 00:13:10.639 --> 00:13:16.240 like the scene starts and you don't really know how 251 00:13:16.240 --> 00:13:17.519 it's gonna end. 252 00:13:18.320 --> 00:13:20.320 Yeah, yeah, because you don't really know what this is. 253 00:13:20.360 --> 00:13:22.080 Lionel Luther here in Clark's body, don't know what his 254 00:13:22.080 --> 00:13:23.759 intentions are gonna be with Chloe because she's the oneho 255 00:13:23.759 --> 00:13:25.759 but him in jail. But he knows that Chloe's in 256 00:13:25.759 --> 00:13:27.639 love with Clark, so he's gonna use that to like 257 00:13:27.720 --> 00:13:28.919 just twist that knife. 258 00:13:29.399 --> 00:13:31.840 I also had like, sorry, a creeper moment when I 259 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:35.120 was It really like hit me how creepy it was 260 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:37.080 because I just like, you know, I'm just like, oh, 261 00:13:37.120 --> 00:13:40.919 it's like Clark's really letting himself go. But no, like 262 00:13:41.519 --> 00:13:44.919 realizing that was me when I was twelve, I'm like, yes, 263 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:46.840 look at yourself in the mirror, shirtless more. 264 00:13:47.759 --> 00:13:49.279 But when he says. 265 00:13:49.000 --> 00:13:51.279 That moment with the cheerliers where he's like ladies, and 266 00:13:51.320 --> 00:13:53.080 I'm like, you're such a creepy old thing. 267 00:13:55.440 --> 00:13:57.200 But he's a villain, So it's okay, we can laugh 268 00:13:57.240 --> 00:13:58.279 at it, right, guess. 269 00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:00.200 Totally yeah, but you know what he's doing in the 270 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:02.080 minute he gets to Mexico or wherever he's trying to 271 00:14:02.080 --> 00:14:07.720 flee to there, you know, Freddy Mercury. 272 00:14:08.600 --> 00:14:13.120 Very good, very good. This is Tom Willing's finest performance. 273 00:14:13.679 --> 00:14:16.080 Does anyone think there's a better episode of his acting 274 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:17.000 in this show? 275 00:14:17.720 --> 00:14:18.919 I don't think this is. 276 00:14:18.960 --> 00:14:23.039 This is like what what's another like Meaedy Clark, like 277 00:14:23.159 --> 00:14:26.440 important Clark scene for him, like in because I feel 278 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:28.799 like most of that is him reacting to like I'm 279 00:14:28.840 --> 00:14:29.399 from Crypto. 280 00:14:30.120 --> 00:14:32.399 He has great scenes throughout, but I think what Zach 281 00:14:32.480 --> 00:14:34.879 is talking about is just like minute one to the end, 282 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:35.559 like of the. 283 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:38.159 Like the episode. I think this is. 284 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:41.559 He has great episodes, like you know, like can't Luthor 285 00:14:41.639 --> 00:14:43.159 like you know, like you can name different things, but 286 00:14:43.240 --> 00:14:45.639 as far as like the whole episode, I think this 287 00:14:45.679 --> 00:14:46.480 is probably it. 288 00:14:46.559 --> 00:14:49.240 Those two you just mentioned. He's playing ultra man, so 289 00:14:49.320 --> 00:14:51.799 I'm like, yeah, he again, Tom Welling, he missed his calling. 290 00:14:51.840 --> 00:14:53.120 He should have been a villain in something. 291 00:14:53.519 --> 00:14:56.480 But honestly, though, I think the villain is only healing. 292 00:14:57.000 --> 00:14:58.720 The villain is so much fun for us to watch 293 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:01.240 and we think he missed his calling. He's done such 294 00:15:01.240 --> 00:15:03.000 a good job or we've seen so much of him 295 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:05.120 playing the good guy, like I don't I don't know 296 00:15:05.159 --> 00:15:06.879 if the impact would have been the same if we 297 00:15:06.879 --> 00:15:09.120 were introduced to him as a villain, but maybe not. 298 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:11.600 The guy looks like a Donnis and he a swag 299 00:15:11.679 --> 00:15:13.919 for days, so I don't know. The only one I 300 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:16.320 was thinking of that was kind of Meaty the season 301 00:15:16.360 --> 00:15:21.120 three episode one, I think, because he's like but I 302 00:15:21.120 --> 00:15:25.279 think Transforence trumps it because he's like channeling another person 303 00:15:25.399 --> 00:15:28.240 rather than just playing another facet of the character. And 304 00:15:28.399 --> 00:15:31.960 I was specifically watching it this time. He just had 305 00:15:32.120 --> 00:15:34.120 he just I think what really sold it was like 306 00:15:34.159 --> 00:15:37.480 something technical, which was and I think you guys mentioned 307 00:15:37.480 --> 00:15:40.519 this in your your episode of the podcast proper as 308 00:15:40.519 --> 00:15:41.480 we're referring. 309 00:15:41.159 --> 00:15:43.080 To it the podcast prop that's what we're always gonna call 310 00:15:43.080 --> 00:15:45.799 it now, the podcast profit is they had I think. 311 00:15:45.639 --> 00:15:49.000 They had Glover play all the scenes and then Welling 312 00:15:49.039 --> 00:15:51.799 would go in. He knew you What really sold it 313 00:15:52.080 --> 00:15:53.960 as I was watching it and analyzing, was he had 314 00:15:53.960 --> 00:15:57.679 the Welling could do the cadence, And I think that's 315 00:15:57.720 --> 00:16:00.360 what makes it so innate and then you're like, oh 316 00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:01.960 my god, wait, no, that's really line aloother. 317 00:16:02.639 --> 00:16:05.120 John Glover brought this up, and he pointed out something 318 00:16:05.159 --> 00:16:08.240 I hadn't noticed before, but I guess Lionel has like 319 00:16:08.279 --> 00:16:11.159 a weird thing where like he will like slide his 320 00:16:11.799 --> 00:16:14.519 tongue or his lips a little yeah, just kind of 321 00:16:14.559 --> 00:16:16.720 like wet his lips a little bit. And he said 322 00:16:16.720 --> 00:16:18.320 he used to do that a lot on the show, 323 00:16:18.440 --> 00:16:20.600 and he noticed that Tom was just kind of picking 324 00:16:20.639 --> 00:16:23.679 that up, which is a whole other level of it too. 325 00:16:23.720 --> 00:16:25.960 But like, I agree with you, Victoria, like he's not 326 00:16:26.039 --> 00:16:29.440 doing an impression or like an impersonation, but he's just 327 00:16:29.519 --> 00:16:32.559 wearing the skin of it like so manatively. Yeah. 328 00:16:32.600 --> 00:16:36.639 Absolutely, yeah, And that's where that the Freddy Mercury comment 329 00:16:36.679 --> 00:16:40.360 comes from. Is yes, the inside of you with John Glover, 330 00:16:40.399 --> 00:16:42.799 microm So, hiler Grim and everyone go listen to that. 331 00:16:42.879 --> 00:16:45.679 But yeah, to that point, Glover mentions in that interview 332 00:16:46.159 --> 00:16:48.120 it was hard for him to play the young Clark 333 00:16:48.440 --> 00:16:50.600 and that he's on record in the companion. He said 334 00:16:50.600 --> 00:16:53.320 that and then talking to Rosebom because Rose Mom was 335 00:16:53.320 --> 00:16:55.720 asking about that when they switched parts, and I think 336 00:16:55.720 --> 00:16:58.279 we can all agree with John Glover and the fact 337 00:16:58.320 --> 00:17:00.720 that the weakest part of this soul switch through is 338 00:17:00.960 --> 00:17:04.319 as good as Tom Willing is. John Glover really doesn't 339 00:17:04.359 --> 00:17:06.279 capture an eighteen year old Clark in does he? 340 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:10.559 No, he captured six year old Clark Kent, but not necessarily. 341 00:17:10.119 --> 00:17:11.599 Told me I was a very boy. 342 00:17:12.119 --> 00:17:12.400 Yeah. 343 00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:14.720 They run faster and really really fast. 344 00:17:15.400 --> 00:17:17.680 I get that it is hard to just play innate good. 345 00:17:17.720 --> 00:17:19.920 He was just kind of boring. Although, although I will say, 346 00:17:19.960 --> 00:17:22.319 and I said this in the podcast proper, by the 347 00:17:22.440 --> 00:17:26.039 end of the episode, you're so used to like the 348 00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:28.200 Clark can you see being evil and the Lion of 349 00:17:28.240 --> 00:17:30.640 LUTHERI you're seeming in like this nice little older guy. 350 00:17:31.119 --> 00:17:33.400 It's kind of sad when they when they switch places again, 351 00:17:33.440 --> 00:17:36.519 you're like, oh, I kind of like adorable lionel as 352 00:17:36.559 --> 00:17:38.400 a really special boy. 353 00:17:39.079 --> 00:17:41.079 Yeah, you're kind of sad when they switch back because 354 00:17:41.079 --> 00:17:44.400 you kind of fall in love with like, evil, manipulative Clark. 355 00:17:45.319 --> 00:17:46.119 At least I did. 356 00:17:48.200 --> 00:17:49.799 That would have been fun to see a little bit 357 00:17:49.880 --> 00:17:51.559 more of that, But I think it's also. 358 00:17:51.400 --> 00:17:53.480 Smart because you always want to leave the audience wanting more. 359 00:17:54.599 --> 00:17:57.880 Yeah, exactly, like they played this trope perfectly. This time around. 360 00:17:58.440 --> 00:18:01.200 And the thing about lineup Iss and Clark is, we know, 361 00:18:01.319 --> 00:18:03.359 we've seen John Glover as Lena Luth on the show 362 00:18:03.400 --> 00:18:06.000 for three years and we've seen we've seen how he acts, 363 00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:08.680 and to see Tom Willing as Clark channeling that, that's 364 00:18:08.680 --> 00:18:10.440 makes all the difference. If it's some villain of the week, 365 00:18:10.440 --> 00:18:13.160 who oh, no, some villain Joberber Clark's bounty, it's a 366 00:18:13.240 --> 00:18:15.839 generic bad guy, it's not. It doesn't have the weight 367 00:18:15.960 --> 00:18:18.920 and you don't appreciate the nuance as much. And that 368 00:18:19.039 --> 00:18:21.039 is what makes it because you have an established character 369 00:18:21.519 --> 00:18:24.519 possessing an established character, as opposed to hey, here's Zod 370 00:18:24.599 --> 00:18:26.920 and he'sn't possessing wlax. I'm like, okay, I don't know 371 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:28.799 what who Zod is or what he acts like, so 372 00:18:28.839 --> 00:18:30.480 I can't tell you if he's doing a good job 373 00:18:30.559 --> 00:18:31.160 or a bad job. 374 00:18:31.440 --> 00:18:33.000 No, I think you've hit the nail on the head 375 00:18:33.039 --> 00:18:34.759 with that, because like I was thinking of different body 376 00:18:34.759 --> 00:18:37.200 swap episodes this week, and like so many of them 377 00:18:37.240 --> 00:18:39.240 are just villain in the week comes in with their 378 00:18:39.279 --> 00:18:42.519 body switching machine or whatever and takes the hero and 379 00:18:42.880 --> 00:18:45.119 that's like, you know, the hero has to convince the 380 00:18:45.160 --> 00:18:48.200 friends that he's a stranger or whatever. But yeah, I 381 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:50.640 agree with you. It's totally that thing that it's both 382 00:18:50.799 --> 00:18:53.640 characters that we've known for that long and it makes 383 00:18:53.640 --> 00:18:54.640 it that much more interesting. 384 00:18:55.799 --> 00:18:56.160 True. 385 00:18:56.240 --> 00:18:58.680 The one that made me think of after I watched 386 00:18:58.720 --> 00:19:02.119 it was in US This League Unlimited, the Great Brain Robbery, 387 00:19:02.119 --> 00:19:06.240 when Yeah, the Flash and Lex Luthor switched places, and 388 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:08.839 it's just really funny because like they both kind of 389 00:19:08.880 --> 00:19:11.839 don't know what to do in like the other person's body, 390 00:19:12.119 --> 00:19:14.079 and so they just kind of act like themselves when 391 00:19:14.079 --> 00:19:17.240 everybody just thinks they're weird, and it's a different playing 392 00:19:17.319 --> 00:19:19.200 field than what we have here where it's just like 393 00:19:19.240 --> 00:19:21.440 the characters are like, you know, very much more nuanced 394 00:19:21.480 --> 00:19:23.640 and they know what they're doing. They have goals and 395 00:19:23.680 --> 00:19:26.240 they're out to do something. Lionels out to mess up 396 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:28.519 Clark's life, get his money back and like go do 397 00:19:28.559 --> 00:19:31.200 whatever else he's gonna do, and then Clark is trying 398 00:19:31.240 --> 00:19:32.279 to get back to where he is. 399 00:19:32.599 --> 00:19:34.880 That other episode is just like, this is hilarious that 400 00:19:34.920 --> 00:19:36.359 Lex Luthor's in the Flash and doesn't know who the 401 00:19:36.400 --> 00:19:37.839