WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:04.000 All right, welcome to another open chat. Hopefully it will work. 2 00:00:04.240 --> 00:00:06.919 As I'm on the road, it's always a toss up, 3 00:00:06.960 --> 00:00:09.039 you never know, but we'll go to shot. 4 00:00:09.119 --> 00:00:09.839 Hey, how's it going. 5 00:00:10.400 --> 00:00:12.839 Or I was supposed to speak earlier on my personal 6 00:00:12.880 --> 00:00:14.759 account and then I don't know what happened. It's like 7 00:00:14.800 --> 00:00:18.920 I got banned or something, but that it was really 8 00:00:18.960 --> 00:00:20.679 weird and I wasn't able to actually. 9 00:00:20.719 --> 00:00:22.559 You multiple times. 10 00:00:22.719 --> 00:00:25.359 My bad about that. My headphones must have been glitchen. 11 00:00:25.440 --> 00:00:28.199 But so I want to first of all say that 12 00:00:28.359 --> 00:00:31.440 I'm a huge fan of the stuff you've done exposing 13 00:00:31.519 --> 00:00:35.159 like Hollywood occultism, and you've been an influence on me 14 00:00:35.240 --> 00:00:37.679 as far as like orthodoxy goes. My girlfriend and i've 15 00:00:37.719 --> 00:00:41.920 been attending Orthodox churches when we can for the last 16 00:00:42.159 --> 00:00:44.920 several months. So definitely a big fan of you in 17 00:00:44.960 --> 00:00:48.320 that regard. But I've never been I don't fully I've 18 00:00:48.359 --> 00:00:52.359 been like an advocate for libertarianism for quite a long 19 00:00:52.399 --> 00:00:57.719 time now. I you know, I've seen the last twenty 20 00:00:57.840 --> 00:01:00.679 or so years of like socialism and war in central 21 00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:04.879 banking and forced integration and all this horrible stuff and 22 00:01:05.000 --> 00:01:09.000 seems to come from the state, and I've always seemed 23 00:01:09.239 --> 00:01:12.519 or I've always felt that libertarianism or anarchic capitalism or 24 00:01:12.519 --> 00:01:14.959 whatever do you want to call it would be a 25 00:01:14.959 --> 00:01:18.079 pretty you know, logical response to all that stuff like 26 00:01:18.239 --> 00:01:22.400 reinforcing property rights and whatnot. What is I don't fully 27 00:01:22.480 --> 00:01:25.120 understand where you're coming from when you criticize libertarianism. 28 00:01:25.159 --> 00:01:25.680 Maybe you can. 29 00:01:26.640 --> 00:01:30.239 Oh, I have a question, are you are you? Are 30 00:01:30.280 --> 00:01:32.840 you orthodox? First of all, I'm just was curious. 31 00:01:33.280 --> 00:01:37.439 I have not converted yet, I'm planning on doing so. 32 00:01:37.879 --> 00:01:40.200 There's a lot going on in my personal life right 33 00:01:40.280 --> 00:01:43.319 at the moment, So I'm in. I talked to my 34 00:01:43.400 --> 00:01:47.840 priests on a weekly basis and he's, uh, I had 35 00:01:47.879 --> 00:01:48.719 to move to a town. 36 00:01:48.760 --> 00:01:50.719 It's a long story, but I'm I'm getting there. 37 00:01:51.200 --> 00:01:55.120 Well, so you're are you inquiring or are you a catechumen? 38 00:01:55.280 --> 00:01:57.159 I am not a catechumen yet. I guess I guess 39 00:01:57.200 --> 00:01:59.959 you would say I'm inquiring, but I was gotcha, gotcha? 40 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:03.120 Very recently my priest has very recently been urging me 41 00:02:03.159 --> 00:02:06.000 to become a catechumen, and it's definitely like something I 42 00:02:06.040 --> 00:02:06.560 really wanted to. 43 00:02:07.359 --> 00:02:09.400 Well, I just I'll add. 44 00:02:09.159 --> 00:02:13.840 This because I think it's just generally a correct Christian 45 00:02:13.879 --> 00:02:19.919 principle and cleaveyord member that this came up when we 46 00:02:19.919 --> 00:02:26.520 were talking last for Father Stephen Deyong about obedience, and 47 00:02:26.560 --> 00:02:30.080 so clearly an Orthodoxy there's a stress on and it's 48 00:02:30.080 --> 00:02:33.360 not blind obedience, right, but the notion of kind of 49 00:02:33.360 --> 00:02:37.960 a hierarchy, and that you make yourself obedient to somebody, 50 00:02:38.120 --> 00:02:41.360 not when you I'm only obedient when I agree. And 51 00:02:41.400 --> 00:02:43.280 I was thinking about that, I'm like, well, that's really 52 00:02:43.280 --> 00:02:48.719 interesting because that flies in the face of libertarianism. No, 53 00:02:48.879 --> 00:02:51.120 it doesn't, based on voluntarism. 54 00:02:51.319 --> 00:02:51.840 That's wrong. 55 00:02:52.080 --> 00:02:58.840 So libertarianism is libertarianism is fine with hierarchy if the 56 00:02:58.919 --> 00:03:00.479 hierarchy is not coercive. 57 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:03.560 Well, well, yeah, that he's not talking about. He's not 58 00:03:03.560 --> 00:03:08.960 talking about physical coercion. He's talking about within the church. 59 00:03:08.520 --> 00:03:14.960 For example, Orthodox somehow, Yeah, Orthodox you would maintain that. 60 00:03:16.479 --> 00:03:21.400 You're bound legally by secular even legal authorities, whether you 61 00:03:21.439 --> 00:03:22.280 agree to it or not. 62 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:25.080 So that's interesting and that's not something that I've delved 63 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:28.479 into deep into too deeply myself. I have asked my 64 00:03:28.560 --> 00:03:31.280 priest the question of like, well, how does what does 65 00:03:31.360 --> 00:03:33.919 what does Orthodox you have to say about this, like 66 00:03:34.039 --> 00:03:37.479 the role of the state or whatever. And he didn't 67 00:03:37.520 --> 00:03:39.400 really He gave me an answer that was more like, oh, well, 68 00:03:39.439 --> 00:03:41.439 like we don't endorse politicians at this church. 69 00:03:41.479 --> 00:03:43.120 I think he kind of misunderstood my question. 70 00:03:43.240 --> 00:03:49.039 But so the role of church and state is a 71 00:03:49.800 --> 00:03:52.319 classical Christian teaching that the state has a duty to 72 00:03:52.360 --> 00:03:54.680 obey God into enact Christian principles. 73 00:03:54.759 --> 00:03:55.960 That's the tradition of the church. 74 00:03:56.159 --> 00:03:59.280 Okay, So, and there's a good document I'd recommend it 75 00:03:59.319 --> 00:04:02.400 was a two thousand and it's from the Russian Church 76 00:04:03.080 --> 00:04:03.960 a two thousand. 77 00:04:04.680 --> 00:04:06.879 It was the Year of Jubilee. 78 00:04:06.599 --> 00:04:09.560 On Relations of Church and State, where it kind of 79 00:04:09.560 --> 00:04:12.000 defines these things and it admits that we live in 80 00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:15.680 a fallen world. There's no kind of perfect in practice 81 00:04:17.319 --> 00:04:21.120 form of government. But it does say that the only 82 00:04:21.560 --> 00:04:27.199 in theory sanctioned form of government is monarchy. And in 83 00:04:27.319 --> 00:04:31.319 principle absolutely the state has the right, is a God 84 00:04:31.360 --> 00:04:34.759 given right to course force you against your will. And 85 00:04:34.959 --> 00:04:37.439 so I was just thinking about it, like it's just 86 00:04:37.519 --> 00:04:40.319 totally incompatible with libertarianism. 87 00:04:41.319 --> 00:04:43.079 So what was that document called? You said it was 88 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:45.160 on Relations of Church and State? Who is that by 89 00:04:46.519 --> 00:04:47.399 the Russian Church? 90 00:04:48.079 --> 00:04:55.319 Yeah, Russian Church Statement on Christian Government and nationalism. It's 91 00:04:55.319 --> 00:04:57.720 just for stating kind of the classical view. But the 92 00:04:57.839 --> 00:05:01.199 Church has always had a coronation service, which is a 93 00:05:01.279 --> 00:05:05.000 quasi sacramental service for the anointing of a king. So 94 00:05:05.319 --> 00:05:09.000 there's thousands of saints that are monarchists, thousands of saints 95 00:05:09.000 --> 00:05:13.319 that have been under monarchies. They talk about Christian monarchy, 96 00:05:13.439 --> 00:05:15.720 none of them talk about democracy, none of them talk 97 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:18.879 about libertarianism. So the mind of the saints, the mind 98 00:05:18.879 --> 00:05:21.680 of the Church, is not classical liberalism out of the Enlightenment. 99 00:05:21.839 --> 00:05:25.680 Okay, So you're saying, you're basically saying that the Church 100 00:05:25.800 --> 00:05:29.079 advocates for monarchism. That's just not something that I'm that 101 00:05:29.879 --> 00:05:31.800 aware of and the something I certainly need to do 102 00:05:31.839 --> 00:05:33.600 more research than my own into sok. 103 00:05:34.439 --> 00:05:36.959 Entire, entire history of the Church is the imperium, the 104 00:05:36.959 --> 00:05:40.399 Byzantine imperium, So from Constantine all the way up to 105 00:05:40.720 --> 00:05:43.199 you know, fourteen ninety three, nineteen niney three with the 106 00:05:43.199 --> 00:05:46.680 fall of Constantinople, and then even after that the Russian 107 00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:49.680 state has you know, there's a Christian state. So the 108 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:54.839 idea of a Christian state is Christianity. That's antithetical to 109 00:05:54.920 --> 00:05:58.000 classical liberalism out of the Enlightenment. So but the stuff 110 00:05:58.040 --> 00:06:01.000 that you mentioned is like, that's not really essentially libertarianism, right, 111 00:06:01.040 --> 00:06:04.720 private property, that's based on the Tank Commandments. Uh, you know, 112 00:06:04.800 --> 00:06:07.439 but the question of whether the state has a role 113 00:06:07.560 --> 00:06:11.279 in one's life and whether God providentially established the state. Well, 114 00:06:11.319 --> 00:06:14.639 in Romans thirteen, Paul says that Nero has the sword, 115 00:06:14.720 --> 00:06:15.839 he is a diaconos. 116 00:06:16.720 --> 00:06:19.160 Even if he doesn't act right, he is still the authority. 117 00:06:19.399 --> 00:06:23.040 Are you saying that libertarianism doesn't advocate for property rights, 118 00:06:23.079 --> 00:06:23.959 private property rights. 119 00:06:24.480 --> 00:06:26.199 No, we're saying, oh, how. 120 00:06:26.040 --> 00:06:27.920 Could you get anything like that from what I said. 121 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:29.839 I thought maybe I misarged you. I thought you said 122 00:06:30.279 --> 00:06:31.000 you were like. 123 00:06:31.199 --> 00:06:33.639 That's not the defining simply the defining feature. 124 00:06:33.920 --> 00:06:38.399 Uh yeah, So that's not orthodox especially property, private property rights. 125 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:41.319 It's based in the Ten Commandments, is what Jay was saying. 126 00:06:41.360 --> 00:06:46.240 So you can't simply define libertarianism is in terms of 127 00:06:46.279 --> 00:06:49.639 private property. And that's why I said libertarians is committed 128 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:54.519 to voluntarism, and voluntarism is rejected by orthodoxy. Now in 129 00:06:55.000 --> 00:06:59.600 the Church there's voluntarism right, like, but that's what we 130 00:06:59.680 --> 00:07:05.160 call is the way the church and ecclesiology works is 131 00:07:05.199 --> 00:07:07.519 different than state because they're two different spheres. But the 132 00:07:07.600 --> 00:07:10.839 Church ordains ideally. 133 00:07:11.839 --> 00:07:16.680 You know, the king or the emperor, and that the 134 00:07:16.759 --> 00:07:20.560 politicians are informed in terms of virtue in their. 135 00:07:20.439 --> 00:07:22.319 Spiritual life by the Church. 136 00:07:22.480 --> 00:07:27.279 But the way that the state can actually coerse it's like, 137 00:07:27.720 --> 00:07:31.600 so voluntarism doesn't exist in an Orthodox state because the 138 00:07:31.639 --> 00:07:34.959 state has the right to course you to do anything 139 00:07:34.959 --> 00:07:36.360 by virtue of the law. 140 00:07:37.079 --> 00:07:40.120 In the church practice, priests wouldn't do. 141 00:07:40.079 --> 00:07:43.879 That, right, they have a prescriptive much like a doctor. 142 00:07:43.959 --> 00:07:46.720 It's like, we prescribe that you do this, but you're 143 00:07:46.759 --> 00:07:49.279 free to be wrong, and you're free to hurt yourself, 144 00:07:49.560 --> 00:07:52.079 like we just recommend that you don't. So there's a 145 00:07:52.079 --> 00:07:54.120 type of kind of voluntarism in the way of kind 146 00:07:54.120 --> 00:07:58.040 of practice in the church. But in terms of state relations, absolutely, 147 00:07:58.040 --> 00:08:01.920 the Orthodox Church believes the state and statesmen have the 148 00:08:02.040 --> 00:08:05.199 right to course you by by law and power. 149 00:08:06.600 --> 00:08:07.839 This off it comes up if you look at the 150 00:08:07.839 --> 00:08:09.439 first debate I did ten years ago. 151 00:08:10.120 --> 00:08:12.680 It was with Adam Kokash, the libertarian dude. 152 00:08:13.639 --> 00:08:16.000 Anyway, okay, well we we've go and check out our 153 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:19.240 debate from ten years One thing that one thing I 154 00:08:19.279 --> 00:08:22.000 think is a good example of this is like, you 155 00:08:22.040 --> 00:08:26.079 don't have the right in a Christian state to erect 156 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:30.000 giant billboards of bastiality on your property because it's your property. 157 00:08:30.439 --> 00:08:31.839 So even your property. 158 00:08:31.480 --> 00:08:34.080 Has limitations on what you can do. And the state 159 00:08:34.120 --> 00:08:36.919 has the right to tell you. No state has the 160 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:39.480 right to enact the death penalty. All these things are 161 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:41.679 rights that the state has. Now, the state can go 162 00:08:41.799 --> 00:08:46.000 out of its bound and become you know, rebellious and 163 00:08:46.039 --> 00:08:49.480 become attempt to be godlike, but that's when the Christian 164 00:08:49.519 --> 00:08:53.159 has the duty to be a martyr. Uh, And the 165 00:08:53.240 --> 00:08:55.639 state has a duty to a higher authority who's to God. 166 00:08:55.759 --> 00:08:59.559 So well, I'm glady, because my next question was going 167 00:08:59.639 --> 00:09:02.559 to be like, how do you maintain a state that 168 00:09:02.720 --> 00:09:04.120 is acting godly? 169 00:09:04.159 --> 00:09:04.279 Like? 170 00:09:04.320 --> 00:09:06.960 It seems to me that the state is very prone 171 00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:11.600 to outgrowing the bounds that it was set for, and 172 00:09:11.799 --> 00:09:14.200 it'll always. 173 00:09:13.159 --> 00:09:14.639 That's always the temptation for the state. 174 00:09:14.720 --> 00:09:18.200 But there's also countless Christian kings and saints in the 175 00:09:18.279 --> 00:09:20.840 history of the Church who have had and maintained Christian kingdom, 176 00:09:20.919 --> 00:09:23.960 so it has happened. But also you're right that there's 177 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:26.799 signs where the state goes outside the bounds of its 178 00:09:26.799 --> 00:09:29.120 own authority and for example, tries to control the church, 179 00:09:29.360 --> 00:09:31.759 right the American's deep state right now try to control 180 00:09:32.080 --> 00:09:34.759 the Orthodox the Catholic Church during the Cold War. 181 00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:37.159 So they stopped this all the time. So this is 182 00:09:37.159 --> 00:09:38.720 absolutely true, right right? 183 00:09:39.039 --> 00:09:41.120 Okay, Well this has been very eye opening for me, 184 00:09:41.240 --> 00:09:43.200 this short interaction. I don't want to take up too 185 00:09:43.279 --> 00:09:48.600 much time. And sorry, that's a great question at acting. 186 00:09:49.679 --> 00:09:51.919 If you look up, I've got a lot of videos 187 00:09:51.960 --> 00:09:54.879 critiquing you know, sort of the basic the Pratrian dug 188 00:09:54.919 --> 00:09:57.960 ideas of perspective going back about ten years. 189 00:09:57.960 --> 00:09:58.679 But great questions. 190 00:09:58.679 --> 00:10:01.279 Appreciate that, father, you get you didn't say much on 191 00:10:01.360 --> 00:10:04.080 the preemptive strikes topic. Did you did you not want 192 00:10:04.080 --> 00:10:06.519 to opine on that or is it too is that 193 00:10:06.559 --> 00:10:09.200 too harry of a topic for clergy or what do 194 00:10:09.240 --> 00:10:09.759 you think about that? 195 00:10:09.799 --> 00:10:13.480 I just don't think Marco Rubio, is this never. 196 00:10:14.759 --> 00:10:17.919 And it's kind of similar to it's kind of similar 197 00:10:17.960 --> 00:10:22.320 to the libertarian kind of arguments about like well what 198 00:10:22.440 --> 00:10:27.240 constitutes uh, you know, aggression and stuff like that. So look, 199 00:10:27.960 --> 00:10:30.320 we can start with the clearcases and then move it's 200 00:10:30.360 --> 00:10:32.639 going to get into you know, as you move farther 201 00:10:32.720 --> 00:10:35.159 away from the clearcases, it gets muddied, and there are 202 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:38.840 obviously positions where I'm like, I don't know, but the 203 00:10:38.879 --> 00:10:42.759 clearcas is obviously a pre exemptive strike is if there's 204 00:10:42.840 --> 00:10:46.080 an imminent threatned physical danger. 205 00:10:46.480 --> 00:10:49.080 Well but but the but if if but if you 206 00:10:49.120 --> 00:10:50.960 see he said that before, he said that should have 207 00:10:50.960 --> 00:10:53.519 happened fifty years ago, preempt to strikes. But I'm thinking, well, 208 00:10:53.519 --> 00:10:56.480 wait a minute. If that's the basis for why you 209 00:10:56.480 --> 00:10:59.240 would do a preemptive strike is their capabilities to attack 210 00:10:59.320 --> 00:11:01.279 the West, then you would essentially have to do a 211 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:03.960 preemptive strike on any country that's not aligned with the 212 00:11:04.000 --> 00:11:06.159 West because they have the ability to attack the West. 213 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:11.039 Yeah, and that's I've made that argument too, where you know, 214 00:11:11.440 --> 00:11:15.200 there are some boomers like Iran's the greatest threat to America. 215 00:11:15.960 --> 00:11:17.679 They're probably killing babies with. 216 00:11:17.720 --> 00:11:19.960 Gas, right, like all this kind of stuff. I'm like, well, 217 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:23.799 first of all, make the argument without lyne. Right, I'm 218 00:11:23.799 --> 00:11:28.080 not saying they're a great nation. But I brought up 219 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:31.799 that point too. Then why not the other nation? Like 220 00:11:31.799 --> 00:11:35.080 like there's something not being truthful, right, if like if 221 00:11:35.120 --> 00:11:39.600 that justifies and I'm not even against in principle, then. 222 00:11:39.519 --> 00:11:41.519 We would have to do preemptive strikes on Russia, we 223 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:45.120 would have to do on North Korea, China, every country 224 00:11:45.200 --> 00:11:46.600 would have to have premptive strikes. 225 00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:49.039 Yeah, and that's like, well, no, no, you can't do that. 226 00:11:49.080 --> 00:11:51.799 So it just there's ways to show. 227 00:11:51.679 --> 00:11:54.480 Like somebody's kind of inconsistency with But I. 228 00:11:54.399 --> 00:11:57.720 Mean, first and foremost, if it really is an immin danger, 229 00:11:58.240 --> 00:12:03.799 but also you know, there's probably you know, threats ideologically, 230 00:12:05.240 --> 00:12:09.519 I think maybe in certain situations that might even address 231 00:12:09.600 --> 00:12:12.399 even if somebody is not capable of having a physical 232 00:12:12.440 --> 00:12:15.039 threat but could get to that point. 233 00:12:15.200 --> 00:12:17.799 Maybe yeah, like maybe that would be justified. 234 00:12:17.840 --> 00:12:19.960 But you see what I mean, It gets it gets 235 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:22.720 more fuzzy the further you go out, and I feel 236 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:26.519 less confident in being like, well that's what I mean. 237 00:12:25.759 --> 00:12:28.879 At the CAD, the Roman Calvic Church be a greater 238 00:12:30.360 --> 00:12:34.440 immediate threat because it's behind all the millions of undocumented 239 00:12:34.440 --> 00:12:36.840 illegals coming in, even more so than Israel. So that 240 00:12:36.840 --> 00:12:39.080 I guess we're supposed to like premptively strike the Vatican 241 00:12:39.159 --> 00:12:39.480 or whatever. 242 00:12:39.559 --> 00:12:40.639 Yeah, see what the problem is? 243 00:12:40.720 --> 00:12:42.840 Yeah, yeah, like really. 244 00:12:42.720 --> 00:12:47.000 Look to your level stuff and how do you determine 245 00:12:47.000 --> 00:12:51.360 like you're saying, like what the most dangerous imminent threat is, 246 00:12:51.440 --> 00:12:55.519 because I mean, yeah, perhaps in ICBM if if it 247 00:12:55.639 --> 00:12:59.759 hit the right target. But at the same time, it's like, well, 248 00:13:00.039 --> 00:13:03.720 that's thirty forty fifty million illegals coming into the country. 249 00:13:04.399 --> 00:13:07.320 I mean, how do you It's hard to determine, you see, 250 00:13:07.320 --> 00:13:10.360 which of those is quote worse right, Miles, what's up? 251 00:13:10.440 --> 00:13:12.159 Hello? Yeah? What's up? Hey? 252 00:13:12.200 --> 00:13:12.759 How's it going. 253 00:13:13.440 --> 00:13:17.080 I'm baptized Eastern Orthodox and I'm trying to learn more 254 00:13:17.840 --> 00:13:21.559 about it. So just a disclaimer, I might be asking 255 00:13:21.600 --> 00:13:23.600 some very very basic and elementary questions. 256 00:13:23.879 --> 00:13:24.039 Firs. 257 00:13:24.279 --> 00:13:25.919 Yeah, if it's too basic, just let me know and 258 00:13:25.960 --> 00:13:27.600 I can maybe go to somewhere that you can. 259 00:13:27.960 --> 00:13:30.080 Everybody in here is a basic bitch, all right. 260 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:34.799 I wanted to ask, like, when when a priest blesses 261 00:13:34.840 --> 00:13:39.279 let's say the anaphora or I take you know, holy water, 262 00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:42.519 or I bless the house, what is it? What is happening? 263 00:13:42.559 --> 00:13:44.879 What does a blessing mean? If I get blessed by 264 00:13:44.960 --> 00:13:46.559 a bishop? What is blessing? 265 00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:50.600 I think it's just supposed to signify, sanctifying, setting apart 266 00:13:50.799 --> 00:13:55.879 for God's service and also hopefully a participation in the 267 00:13:55.919 --> 00:13:59.919 divine energies, because we think that all of these sacramental reality, 268 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:03.639 whether they're icons or holy water or you know, being 269 00:14:03.679 --> 00:14:07.159 annointed with oil, you know, we are looking towards and 270 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:11.879 praying to be participating in some measure of divine grace, 271 00:14:11.919 --> 00:14:13.320 which is the unfitted energies. 272 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:16.879 Okay, so divine grace is the uncreated energies. 273 00:14:17.080 --> 00:14:17.480 Correct? 274 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:20.519 What's a I only. 275 00:14:20.360 --> 00:14:23.360 Understand the uncreated energies at a very introductory level. 276 00:14:23.879 --> 00:14:26.240 What does it mean if I. 277 00:14:25.600 --> 00:14:28.879 Have, like is, are the uncreated energies now in the 278 00:14:28.879 --> 00:14:29.480 holy water? 279 00:14:29.600 --> 00:14:30.360 Is that what that means? 280 00:14:31.440 --> 00:14:31.639 Yeah? 281 00:14:31.679 --> 00:14:34.919 Actually, in the baptism, right, the priest prays and puts 282 00:14:34.919 --> 00:14:37.879 the cross in the water and asks that God's uncreated 283 00:14:37.960 --> 00:14:41.159 energies come down into the font. So, just like in 284 00:14:41.279 --> 00:14:44.840 Christ himself, you have, for example, the incarnation, a joining 285 00:14:44.919 --> 00:14:46.840 of the human nature and the divine nature. 286 00:14:46.879 --> 00:14:48.000 There's a synergy there. 287 00:14:48.720 --> 00:14:51.759 So likewise, the same idea with the sacraments is that 288 00:14:51.799 --> 00:14:55.399 there's a joining of the uncreated power of God to 289 00:14:55.679 --> 00:15:00.200 the created elements of bread, wine, water, et cetera. The 290 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:03.320 idea is that there's a synergy a both and in 291 00:15:03.360 --> 00:15:06.000 this in these sacraments. 292 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:07.960 Okay, and in that way, when I annoy myself with 293 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:13.600 oil or drink holy water, I'm directly experiencing God's and 294 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:14.399 created energies. 295 00:15:15.200 --> 00:15:16.519 Well that's what we're praying for. 296 00:15:17.240 --> 00:15:19.799 Whether or not we experience that is actually up to 297 00:15:19.879 --> 00:15:23.559 ourselves on our own disposition. So God's energies are actually 298 00:15:23.600 --> 00:15:26.679 everywhere present, and were we to be in the right 299 00:15:26.840 --> 00:15:30.639 disposition and state of repentance, we would experience them. So 300 00:15:30.879 --> 00:15:33.480 really that's up to us on our side of you know, 301 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:36.320 human action and repentance as to what we what we 302 00:15:36.440 --> 00:15:38.919 get out of these rituals and liturgies. 303 00:15:39.399 --> 00:15:43.240 Okay, so the same the same holy water could be 304 00:15:43.360 --> 00:15:45.679 I don't know, edifying for me. Let's say if I'm 305 00:15:45.679 --> 00:15:48.440 in a state of repentance and belief, but does absolutely 306 00:15:48.480 --> 00:15:50.360 nothing to an atheist for example. 307 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:53.279 Yeah, or it could actually drive them crazy if they're 308 00:15:53.320 --> 00:15:55.759 demonically possessed, they could actually hate it. 309 00:15:55.799 --> 00:15:57.039 So yeah, oh wow. 310 00:15:57.440 --> 00:15:59.600 Okay, And so let's say I am in a state 311 00:15:59.600 --> 00:16:02.000 of repent and belief and I have this holy water. 312 00:16:02.320 --> 00:16:05.279 What happens to me? What actually changes? 313 00:16:05.639 --> 00:16:05.799 Will? 314 00:16:05.840 --> 00:16:09.799 The Church Fathers described the process of grace as a 315 00:16:09.879 --> 00:16:14.399 never ending upward spiral into God. So basically, the Bible 316 00:16:14.399 --> 00:16:17.080 speaks in a kind of a mysterious way that we 317 00:16:17.159 --> 00:16:20.279 partake of God in greater and greater measures, even though 318 00:16:20.320 --> 00:16:22.919 God cannot be apportioned by measure. So this is kind 319 00:16:22.919 --> 00:16:25.240 of what's called it antonomical statement. 320 00:16:25.320 --> 00:16:28.120 It's a statement that appears to be a contradiction, but. 321 00:16:28.120 --> 00:16:30.360 It's not, because we're speaking about something that's above the 322 00:16:30.440 --> 00:16:33.080 laws of logic. So even though God can't be contained, 323 00:16:33.720 --> 00:16:36.720 he still willed to become contained in the womb of 324 00:16:36.720 --> 00:16:40.519 the Virgin. Even though God can't be apportioned out by measure, 325 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:43.639 he willed to be divided by measure amongst his saints. 326 00:16:43.840 --> 00:16:47.600 So Paul talks about in the Escaton greater and greater 327 00:16:48.039 --> 00:16:51.840 degrees of deification. So there's a mystery involved in this, 328 00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:53.360 and the mystery. 329 00:16:53.039 --> 00:16:56.360 Is that you can never get full of God's grace. 330 00:16:56.440 --> 00:16:58.960 You will always be infinitely moving into God's grace. 331 00:16:59.320 --> 00:17:02.240 Uh okay, that makes sense. So okay. 332 00:17:01.919 --> 00:17:05.680 The definition that I understand of uncreated energies is like 333 00:17:05.920 --> 00:17:08.119 the word energy is God's actions. 334 00:17:08.200 --> 00:17:08.839 Is that correct? 335 00:17:09.039 --> 00:17:11.319 It's God's actions, It's God's mind. 336 00:17:11.480 --> 00:17:14.559 It's excuse me, this God's divine ideas that are called 337 00:17:14.599 --> 00:17:18.559 the logi. It's God's attributes, it's God's operations. All of 338 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:23.279 those things are at times called energies or works or operations. 339 00:17:23.880 --> 00:17:26.279 So the word is welf means work and are gay 340 00:17:26.559 --> 00:17:30.200 at work. But in the New Testament multiple things are 341 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:34.920 ascribed as works. Sometimes they're called God's powers plural. 342 00:17:35.480 --> 00:17:35.640 Uh. 343 00:17:35.880 --> 00:17:38.319 And then when the Western Church sometimes they say, you know, 344 00:17:38.400 --> 00:17:40.680 the attributes of God for us, that's the same thing 345 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:43.559 as the divine energies. So when Jesus says, for example 346 00:17:43.640 --> 00:17:45.839 John seventeen, that he came to give us a share 347 00:17:46.440 --> 00:17:48.440 in the glory that he had with the Father before 348 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:52.839 the foundation of the world, uncreated glory is uncreated, grace 349 00:17:53.160 --> 00:17:56.440 is uncreated, light is uncreated, love, et cetera, et cetera. 350 00:17:56.920 --> 00:18:00.119 Okay, And so sorry, how do we define attrib You 351 00:18:00.200 --> 00:18:01.240 see like God's attributes? 352 00:18:01.279 --> 00:18:03.880 Is it like glory, light, love? Are those attributes? 353 00:18:04.720 --> 00:18:04.920 Sure? 354 00:18:05.160 --> 00:18:07.440 I'm just saying the Western Church tends to talk about 355 00:18:07.799 --> 00:18:12.880 the divine attributes. God has the attribute of omniscience, omnipresidence, love, justice, 356 00:18:13.039 --> 00:18:15.880 et cetera. And all I'm saying is that when the 357 00:18:15.960 --> 00:18:18.680 Orthodox Church says energies, they're referring to the same thing 358 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:21.400 that they mean. But our theology is a little more 359 00:18:21.400 --> 00:18:25.359 precise because it's also God's creative actions and powers that 360 00:18:25.400 --> 00:18:26.400 are energies as well. 361 00:18:26.680 --> 00:18:30.319 Okay, okay, because my confusion was I originally thought energies 362 00:18:30.359 --> 00:18:32.960 men actions. And when you say that divine, his uncreated 363 00:18:33.039 --> 00:18:34.839 energies are in like the holy water of the oil, 364 00:18:35.200 --> 00:18:38.400 I think, how are someone's actions in a thing? 365 00:18:38.799 --> 00:18:39.599 Well, it is that. 366 00:18:39.680 --> 00:18:41.880 If you look at letter two thirty four, Basil says 367 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:45.640 God's essence is unknown, but the divine energies or operations 368 00:18:45.680 --> 00:18:46.599 come down to us. 369 00:18:47.119 --> 00:18:48.759 And so what comes down to us. 370 00:18:48.720 --> 00:18:52.200 Is his love, his foreign alogy is providence, his power, 371 00:18:52.279 --> 00:18:56.359 his mercy, et cetera. So it's referring to the same stuff. So, 372 00:18:56.480 --> 00:19:00.799 for example, God is omnipresident omnipresence is a divine energy 373 00:19:00.839 --> 00:19:01.279 for us. 374 00:19:01.480 --> 00:19:04.519 Oh wow, okay, that's new to me. Okay, I think 375 00:19:04.599 --> 00:19:08.720 I had just one more question and it just slipped 376 00:19:08.759 --> 00:19:13.279 my mind. Oh okay, So the oil is blessed by 377 00:19:13.319 --> 00:19:16.400 the priest when we annoyed ourselves water, you know, the house, 378 00:19:16.680 --> 00:19:18.440 but when we I don't know if this is an 379 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:18.960 Orthodox thing. 380 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:19.880 At least I've been doing it. 381 00:19:20.200 --> 00:19:22.079 You know, you kind of pray before a meal, ask 382 00:19:22.160 --> 00:19:24.000 the Lord to bless the food and drink for a servant. 383 00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:30.720 So can anybody bless because from what I understand, it's 384 00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:33.440 always the priests that are blessing things. But I'm now blessing. 385 00:19:33.799 --> 00:19:36.440 You're the priest of your household, right, so yes, you 386 00:19:36.880 --> 00:19:39.279 can pray and bless the food. However, if a priest 387 00:19:39.319 --> 00:19:41.839 is president, you defer to the higher authority, and the 388 00:19:41.880 --> 00:19:44.480 priest blesses the food, just like the priest would defers 389 00:19:44.480 --> 00:19:45.839 to the bishop of the bishops around. 390 00:19:46.400 --> 00:19:52.559 Oh wow, okay, wow, all right, now, okay, I'm the 391 00:19:52.599 --> 00:19:53.519 priest of the household. 392 00:19:53.759 --> 00:19:58.000 Do you mean like as virtue of being a man 393 00:19:58.240 --> 00:19:59.640 or like a man of the household? 394 00:20:00.400 --> 00:20:02.960 Oh okay, okay, okay, So if I'm in like the 395 00:20:02.960 --> 00:20:05.640 presence of my wife, I should be the one asking. 396 00:20:06.720 --> 00:20:10.359 Says that the house hold is a little church. 397 00:20:10.559 --> 00:20:14.119 So yes, great, wow, okay a j thank you so much. 398 00:20:14.119 --> 00:20:18.319 I really appreciate I appreciate the thank you. Yeah, okay, care, 399 00:20:18.359 --> 00:20:21.920 I appreciate it, aid he can you hear me, Jake Aiden? 400 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:23.160 And then Jay, Yeah, what's up? 401 00:20:24.160 --> 00:20:26.119